| 00:01.11 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03werner * r4003 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (montour-audio.patch series): |
| 00:01.11 | CIA-15 | openmoko: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1190 |
| 00:01.11 | CIA-15 | openmoko: montour-audio.patch: |
| 00:01.11 | CIA-15 | openmoko: - sound/soc/codecs/wm8753.c (wm8753_snd_controls): voice playback volume is in |
| 00:01.11 | CIA-15 | openmoko: register bits 0:2, not 4:6 |
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| 00:07.47 | blckdove | btw... is there anyone from the inc. in this channel? |
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| 00:49.03 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03werner * r4004 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (4 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 00:49.03 | CIA-15 | openmoko: introduce-fiq-basis.patch: adds a C-based FIQ ISR, Implemented as a platform |
| 00:49.03 | CIA-15 | openmoko: device and driver. |
| 00:49.03 | CIA-15 | openmoko: introduce-fiq-use-timer3-as-source.patch: makes the FIQ stuff specific to one |
| 00:49.03 | CIA-15 | openmoko: of the timers on the s3c244x and adds the platform stuff for fiq in the GTA02 |
| 00:49.07 | CIA-15 | openmoko: init. |
| 00:49.09 | CIA-15 | openmoko: introduce-fiq-migrate-vibrator-gta02-only.patch: on GTA02, use FIQ to manage |
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| 01:06.31 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03werner * r4005 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/atheros_2_0_function.patch: |
| 01:06.31 | CIA-15 | openmoko: [PATCH 1/3] ar6k: WPA wireless extensions implementation |
| 01:06.31 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Implement the needed WPA wireless extensions calls. |
| 01:06.31 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Now we can use the wext wpa_supplicant driver, and don't need to carry |
| 01:06.31 | CIA-15 | openmoko: the wpa_supplicant atheros patch anymore. |
| 01:06.34 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Note that this patch also includes some generic ioctl cleanups. |
| 01:06.36 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Signed-off-by: Samuel Ortiz <sameo@openedhand.com> |
| 01:09.43 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03werner * r4006 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/atheros_2_0_hcd.patch: |
| 01:09.43 | CIA-15 | openmoko: [PATCH 2/3] ar6k: Remove SDIO controller pending irqs check |
| 01:09.43 | CIA-15 | openmoko: With the recently added asynchronous SDIO interrupt bottom half code, |
| 01:09.43 | CIA-15 | openmoko: we don't need to double check for pending IRQs. |
| 01:09.43 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Signed-off-by: Samuel Ortiz <sameo@openedhand.com> |
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| 01:13.15 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03werner * r4007 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/atheros_2_0_function.patch: |
| 01:13.15 | CIA-15 | openmoko: [PATCH 3/3] ar6k: SIWPOWER implementation |
| 01:13.15 | CIA-15 | openmoko: This is a basic power management switch for ar6k, using the standard |
| 01:13.15 | CIA-15 | openmoko: SIWPOWER wireless extension. |
| 01:13.15 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Signed-off-by: Samuel Ortiz <sameo@openedhand.com> |
| 01:14.42 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: Finally looked up the MMC/SD clock - you were right, the prescaler is PCLK/(2*(value+1)) |
| 01:18.25 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: wow, way to ressurect conversations... had to check my IRC logs, that was from eight days ago :P |
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| 01:19.22 | cesarb | I hope it doesn't have a minimum speed, since 12/2 is 6MHz ;-) |
| 01:19.42 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: absolute worst case, you can drop to 150Khz mode |
| 01:19.48 | cesarb | Not to even think of 1000 (it would be 500kHz) |
| 01:20.14 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: hm, didn't even look at that yet, and don't know much about how mmc/sd works |
| 01:20.15 | SpeedEvil | Though I do wonder if 4-bit wide mode is actually being used. |
| 01:21.11 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: that'd be handy |
| 01:21.14 | cesarb | I think hacking the s3c24xx gpio code to recognize "virtual" pins is the simplest way |
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| 01:21.49 | cesarb | The usb driver already has code to use a Vusb pin, if present, so it would be simply setting it to the virtual Vusb pin |
| 01:22.00 | SpeedEvil | are those un-brought-out physical ports? |
| 01:22.12 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: ? |
| 01:22.29 | SpeedEvil | I mean not bonded out to the BGA |
| 01:23.12 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: the Vusb pin is a gpio |
| 01:23.21 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: at least in the driver |
| 01:23.48 | SpeedEvil | ah - I see |
| 01:24.24 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: unfortunately it doesn't use the new generic gpio infrastructure, which can use gpios from other chips (like a i2c gpio extender), meaning it would be even less hacky (add a "virtual one-gpio gpio extender" and use it) |
| 01:25.00 | SpeedEvil | Or even a non-virtual one |
| 01:25.03 | SpeedEvil | (hardware) |
| 01:26.00 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: I want it to run on a unmodified gta01 ;-) |
| 01:27.17 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: can you post an image? |
| 01:27.22 | SpeedEvil | a kernel thatis |
| 01:29.40 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: I don't have a place to do it (which is why I am using repo for the code and the om wiki for the description) |
| 01:30.20 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: but if you want the 2.6.24 kernel (which I just switched to instead of 2.6.22.5 and will test on qemu tomorrow), it's a simple git clone and copying of the defconfig |
| 01:30.36 | SpeedEvil | My build tree is broken |
| 01:30.41 | SpeedEvil | And I'm unsure why |
| 01:30.53 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: there's a reason I haven't been updating it ;-) |
| 01:31.48 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: let's see if DCC works ;-) |
| 01:32.02 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: (it usually doesn't for me, but...) |
| 01:32.25 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: I guess not |
| 01:32.41 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: though it works on my end |
| 01:34.11 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: I see why there's a need for the SDK package :P |
| 01:34.36 | SpeedEvil | It's that I could probably fix it, if I dug into it, but I've got so much on the stack |
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| 01:43.41 | balrog-kun | wow the cpu running at 500kHz would be cool |
| 01:44.25 | balrog-kun | if there was a FORCE_8BIT mode it would automatically turn into a commodore 64 |
| 01:44.37 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: but that's 2.6.24, so untested on a real device so far... |
| 01:45.03 | cesarb | balrog-kun: it only goes as far down as 12MHz/14 |
| 01:45.32 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: and do the tests without a sd card, since it would probably confuse the card (notifier missing in that driver) |
| 01:45.59 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: ok |
| 01:46.24 | balrog-kun | oh, that's not so bad, the pentium 3 iirc can only be downclocked to 8 MHz iirc |
| 01:47.17 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: I also suggest using cpufreq.debug=7 on the boot command line (and if you want echo 0 > /sys/modules/cpufreq/parameters/debug_ratelimit) so the dmesg shows the full debug output |
| 01:47.40 | SpeedEvil | k |
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| 01:51.55 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: the part which could most probably go wrong would be the framebuffer notifier, since 2.6.22.5 wasn't using it (so that code is completely untested on real hardware) |
| 01:52.22 | Psi | haha http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/210/imag0016bwr2.jpg |
| 01:59.44 | ewon | Psi: nice |
| 02:03.10 | bipolar | Psi: HAHA |
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| 05:18.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1211 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com |
| 05:18.01 | cdbot2 | * * phone screen freeze in some UI applications |
| 05:18.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1211 |
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| 05:35.44 | Kero | first command I tried inside my testing framework, AT+COPS=? actually has a buggy parsing method in gsmd. |
| 05:36.01 | Kero | this is going to be so useful. |
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| 08:03.53 | DanHerg | Cool Dating Club site ===> new-datingclub eu |
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| 08:06.28 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:17.54 | mbuf | Hopscotch, good morning |
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| 08:48.40 | ScaredyCat | cesarb: if you need somewhere to put your image, I'll host it for you |
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| 08:50.38 | mbuf | with debug board one can step-through u-boot as well as Linux code through JTAG? |
| 08:50.54 | SpeedEvil | jtag lets you step through anything |
| 08:51.03 | SpeedEvil | (though not into mordor) |
| 08:52.23 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, just wondering what would be the price of freerunner, advanced version |
| 08:52.38 | SpeedEvil | $6000 is reported |
| 08:52.40 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 08:52.43 | SpeedEvil | $600 |
| 08:52.50 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, fair enough |
| 08:52.57 | SpeedEvil | I wouldn't be astonished if that price changes |
| 08:56.08 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, but, wiki has a list of people interested in buying gta02? similar to the first list |
| 08:57.04 | SpeedEvil | So? |
| 08:57.33 | SpeedEvil | The wiki has a list of lots of stuff. |
| 08:57.36 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, found it, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buying_Interest_List , |
| 08:57.39 | SpeedEvil | very, very little of it is official |
| 08:57.49 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, just to see how many people are interested in gta02 |
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| 09:02.21 | drath | mbuf: JTAG lets you step through anything, but you don't want to use it to debug application code |
| 09:02.34 | drath | mbuf: it's fine for debugging kernel code though |
| 09:02.35 | mbuf | drath, ok |
| 09:02.57 | drath | mbuf: for application, gdbserver is a lot easier to use, and written especially for that purpose |
| 09:02.58 | mbuf | drath, how about u-boot with debug board? |
| 09:03.10 | drath | mbuf: yeah, you can step through u-boot, too |
| 09:03.17 | mbuf | drath, ok |
| 09:03.24 | drath | mbuf: you should be able to step through it from the very first instruction (0x0) |
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| 10:10.14 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03chris * r4008 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-network.c): |
| 10:10.14 | CIA-15 | openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-network.c: (io_func): |
| 10:10.14 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Handle all IO conditions, bail on unknown conditions (noticed problems |
| 10:10.14 | CIA-15 | openmoko: when doing otherwise) |
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| 10:12.16 | TRIsoft | morning |
| 10:14.46 | wibbit | Mornin |
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| 10:27.59 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: thanks, but it's too alpha-version so far for it to be available to the general public |
| 10:28.27 | ScaredyCat | well, i wan't suggesting everyone would be able to dl it :) |
| 10:28.44 | ScaredyCat | the offer is there if you need it |
| 10:31.03 | XorA | cesarb: what cool shit are you cooking? |
| 10:31.50 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: I'd probably want to make it available to the public when it's more near ready (most important frequency-depentend drivers working) |
| 10:31.58 | cesarb | XorA: cpufreq |
| 10:32.07 | XorA | cesarb: sweet |
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| 10:32.12 | Mononoke | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9710143183.html interesting =] |
| 10:32.21 | ScaredyCat | k, np - just shout if you want it |
| 10:33.02 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: thx |
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| 10:33.17 | cesarb | XorA: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:CesarB/cpufreq |
| 10:35.13 | cesarb | XorA: (that page needs a bit of an update, btw; I've changed several things in the code already) |
| 10:35.21 | XorA | cesarb: you audio problems with cpufreq dont apply to gta02 |
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| 10:35.57 | cesarb | XorA: well, the code so far doesn't even run on gta02 ;-) |
| 10:36.07 | XorA | cesarb: hopefully soon :-) |
| 10:36.15 | cesarb | XorA: and gta01 is what I have and I'm focusing on... |
| 10:36.23 | XorA | cesarb: but 2442 cpu can send the crystal straight to codec without scaling |
| 10:36.29 | cesarb | XorA: cool |
| 10:36.34 | XorA | cesarb: and audio codec is always clock master for audio |
| 10:37.25 | cesarb | XorA: in fact, I didn't look at the IIS block so closely yet (I've only done timer4, nand, serial, and framebuffer so far, and I'm looking at usb device) |
| 10:37.54 | cesarb | XorA: there's one problem in porting my code to the gta02: the frequency table I found so far for it is very limited |
| 10:38.03 | XorA | cesarb: well gimme a shout if you need help with audio part |
| 10:39.08 | cesarb | XorA: thanks |
| 10:39.31 | XorA | its fairly self explanatory though, the codec dividers have helper functions |
| 10:40.34 | Stephmw | cesarb: from/to? |
| 10:42.54 | SpeedEvil | Core 2 duo |
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| 10:44.17 | cesarb | Stephmw: http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Neo1973_GTA02_Hardware&diff=23400&oldid=23183 |
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| 10:54.18 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: that's not a change in the CPU? |
| 10:54.34 | SpeedEvil | oh - right |
| 10:55.13 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: it just adds a small extra designator, which might not mean much, or might mean a completely different architecture. With hardware, there's no way to know. |
| 10:55.14 | SpeedEvil | IIRC that simply specifies a package |
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| 10:56.54 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: it might also specify a speed grade |
| 10:57.14 | dcordes | XorA: did you fux with kaiser yet? |
| 10:58.22 | XorA | dcordes: no, Im not brave |
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| 11:00.10 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: odd - the datasheet I have has no mention of part code tables |
| 11:01.19 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: it's probably in a different pdf (one about ordering options) |
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| 11:01.43 | SpeedEvil | wave. |
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| 11:05.08 | dcordes | XorA: you don't want to break it? |
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| 11:13.02 | CVirus | Core 2 Duo ? |
| 11:13.03 | CVirus | LOL |
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| 11:17.22 | XorA | where oh where is my Dark Heresy book |
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| 12:43.44 | balrog-kun | are there any qemu-neo1973 users on PPC (or anything non-x86)? |
| 12:49.31 | SpeedEvil | I vaguely recall others asking the same question and getting a no |
| 12:50.23 | mjr | (I tried it on amd64!) |
| 12:50.26 | buz | i would doubt it |
| 12:50.35 | buz | there arent many desktops running on x86 anymore |
| 12:50.41 | buz | on non-x86 |
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| 12:52.26 | balrog-kun | good.. a new code generator was just merged upstream that removes dependence on gcc (ie. gcc 3) but it only works for x86 and amd64 hosts for the moment |
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| 13:05.27 | SpeedEvil | and boggles at $44bn. |
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| 13:09.12 | buz | who still uses yahoo anyway |
| 13:09.44 | Stephmw | buz: flickr might be part of the bargain |
| 13:09.56 | Stephmw | buz: and if that happens, my photos and I are moving elsewhere |
| 13:10.38 | buz | first the ftc needs to agree |
| 13:10.59 | buz | and the eu may yet rain on that parade |
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| 13:13.12 | zash_ | why does my serial-terminal crap out a shitload of ^ on me? |
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| 13:58.55 | eichi | <eichi> someone knows pyroute? |
| 13:58.56 | eichi | <eichi> [eichi@eichi-laptop pyroute]$ python gui.py |
| 13:58.56 | eichi | <eichi> Downloading POIs from OSM |
| 13:58.56 | eichi | <eichi> and then, noting happens |
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| 13:59.23 | eichi | no error, no exit |
| 13:59.32 | hdr | eichi: same here ;) |
| 13:59.47 | eichi | hdr, wellcome ;) |
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| 14:06.16 | eichi | hdr, i got it |
| 14:06.43 | eichi | try downloading to pyroute/data/poi_all.osm from http://www.informationfreeway.org/api/0.5/node |
| 14:06.46 | eichi | seems to be a download bug |
| 14:07.01 | hdr | eichi: thx ;) |
| 14:09.04 | eichi | hdr, but it need more files |
| 14:09.08 | eichi | doenst route at all |
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| 14:10.08 | eichi | Loading OSM data from data/routing.osm |
| 14:10.08 | eichi | No such data file data/routing.osm |
| 14:10.36 | hdr | eichi: yeah i see only a straigt line between start end destination |
| 14:11.05 | eichi | same here |
| 14:11.10 | eichi | we need a routing.osm |
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| 14:12.20 | eichi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:12.31 | eichi | seems to big for downloading manually |
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| 14:13.30 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03werner * r4009 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (4 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 14:13.30 | CIA-15 | openmoko: clean-fiq.patch |
| 14:13.30 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Change ipc struct type from _fiq_ipc to fiq_ipc |
| 14:13.30 | CIA-15 | openmoko: From: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com> |
| 14:13.30 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Signed-off-by: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com> |
| 14:13.31 | CIA-15 | openmoko: smedia-glamo.patch: |
| 14:13.33 | CIA-15 | openmoko: - moved complaint about include/asm-arm/arch-s3c2410/irqs.h here |
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| 14:26.17 | Ebbe | eichi and hdr, Iøve had the same "problem" before also. You need to set your location on the map, and then enter the menu and somehow tell the program to download the routes |
| 14:26.28 | Ebbe | *I've |
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| 14:29.51 | eichi | Ebbe, ah okay |
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| 14:32.26 | Blizzy | Hellow fellow ignorant Pedophiles, have any child porn to share today? |
| 14:33.28 | Blizzy | Hellow fellow ignorant Pedophiles, have any child porn to share today? |
| 14:33.30 | keitsi | I think you're on the wrong channel |
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| 14:33.57 | SpeedEvil | #fbi is thataways |
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| 14:42.56 | Slaxxer | i think that even asking for child porno should be illeagle |
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| 14:43.38 | Slaxxer | including the fbi |
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| 15:39.23 | wibbit | eichi: do you know where the data.osm should go? |
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| 16:04.37 | wurp2 | zilux: Hey, thanks so much for the navit stuff yesterday! |
| 16:04.51 | wurp2 | zilux: I somehow had the 0.0.1 ipk that I was installing :-/ |
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| 16:05.56 | poffy | DYNAMIC ENTRY |
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| 16:11.58 | eichi | wibbit, data/poi.osm |
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| 16:16.32 | wibbit | eichi: How big is the poi_all.osm? |
| 16:17.13 | eichi | [eichi@eichi-laptop ~]$ du -h test/pyroute/data/poi_all.osm |
| 16:17.13 | eichi | 4.0Ktest/pyroute/data/poi_all.osm |
| 16:17.47 | wurp2 | zilux: Anyway, it all works now |
| 16:17.59 | wibbit | du -sh poi_all.osm |
| 16:18.00 | wibbit | 5.2M poi_all.osm |
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| 16:23.05 | wibbit | eichi: All working now :) |
| 16:23.47 | eichi | wibbit, nice |
| 16:24.16 | wibbit | eichi: Do you know if any one is working on a client to do on the fly editing of the map? |
| 16:27.12 | eichi | wibbit, I dont know. I would like this to. I use a N800 for tracking für OSM and Josm on laptop for mapping. In the fly would be perfect, it will be the futur, but the time has not come ;D |
| 16:27.56 | wibbit | eichi: It would certainly be handy to be able to spend a little bit of time, and uploading the GPS info and initial mapping data, |
| 16:28.43 | wibbit | eichi: Though saying that, I've just noticed that there is a "sketch" mode, which allows you to draw on the map, which could be handy |
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| 16:30.47 | eichi | yeah, we thought about the idea, that you can mark things on map, which are maybe not right and upload this marker, so someone can see all "problems" in this homelands and can correct them |
| 16:31.12 | eichi | is this, what you mean? |
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| 16:42.38 | wurp2 | wibbit: Sorry to jump in late here, but may I ask what mapping app you're talking about? |
| 16:42.51 | malsyned | Is there still uncertainty about whether the GTA02 will support 850MHz? |
| 16:43.26 | wibbit | wurp2: No problem, never too late :), pyroute |
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| 16:43.35 | wurp2 | malsyned: I don't know, but I know when I ordered my 01 and asked about 850 on it someone internal to OpenMoko told me the 02 will have 850 |
| 16:43.44 | wurp2 | Ah, I would love to get that working on the neo |
| 16:43.48 | wurp2 | it is just too slow |
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| 16:43.59 | wurp2 | I need to profile it and see what can be done about it |
| 16:44.02 | malsyned | wurp2: awesome. thanks. |
| 16:44.24 | wibbit | eichi: Well I certainly like the idea of being able to upload a "temp image" or draft, which could then be edited with JOSM at home in detail, but being able to enter road names, or post boxes, and the ilk. |
| 16:44.26 | wurp2 | I'd been thinking I would port pypy or psyco, but on further thought I should really figure out what the problem is before I try to solve it :-) |
| 16:44.35 | wurp2 | malsyned: You're welcome :-) |
| 16:45.48 | wurp2 | It would be cool to be able to sketch a road name on the map, with an arrow to the road (said road perhaps being created on the fly from gps data) and then hide the sketch |
| 16:46.13 | wurp2 | Later on a machine with a keyboard you could convert the sketch into an OSM compatible road name |
| 16:46.33 | wurp2 | malsyned: 850 has been demonstrated on modified 01s |
| 16:46.52 | wurp2 | malsyned: I dunno if there are reliability problems, etc. It's still very early in the 850 testing |
| 16:48.06 | malsyned | wurp2: sure. If it doesn't work at 850, it's not very useful to an American like myself, is it? |
| 16:48.25 | malsyned | (I'm not really up on this whole frequency issue) |
| 16:50.41 | wurp2 | malsyned: I'm in the US (Dallas/Fort Worth area) and it works fine for me |
| 16:50.53 | wurp2 | There are big swaths of the US that only have 850 coverage |
| 16:51.03 | wurp2 | but almost all metroplexes have 1900 too |
| 16:51.25 | wurp2 | If you scout around on wiki.openmoko.org there's a link to a 1900 coverage map somewhere, I think |
| 16:51.52 | wurp2 | I should say, instead of big swaths, almost all of the US is 850 coverage, by land area |
| 16:52.03 | wurp2 | but I think by population most people are in a 1900 area most of the time |
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| 16:52.20 | eichi | we also need a highhiking symbol for OSM |
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| 16:55.10 | Kero | also note, I'm only in the USA for a few months |
| 16:55.36 | Kero | kdean06: you were interested in my (lib)gsmd testing framework, no? |
| 16:55.49 | kdean06 | Yeah. |
| 16:56.03 | Kero | I have the roundtrip in the code, reasonably nice for testing itself. |
| 16:56.20 | Kero | expect a release sometime this weekend |
| 16:56.26 | kdean06 | Awesome. :) |
| 16:56.54 | Kero | testing can be done on a PC w/ linux; hope you like Ruby, too :) |
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| 16:57.44 | wurp2 | Kero: Is there Ruby for the neo? |
| 16:57.45 | KELEBEK605USER2 | www.mirclan.net www.mircmerkezi.net www.sohbet-turk.org http://mirc.sohbet-turk.org http://mirc.mircmerkezi.net http://haber.mirclan.net |
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| 16:57.48 | KELEBEK605USER2 | www.mirclan.net www.mircmerkezi.net www.sohbet-turk.org http://mirc.sohbet-turk.org http://mirc.mircmerkezi.net http://haber.mirclan.net |
| 16:57.56 | kdean06 | I sensed that... |
| 16:58.01 | Sup3rkiddo | me too |
| 16:58.08 | wibbit | wurp2: Or as opposed to sketching, I suppose things like temp POI's could be used for that. associate a POI with the road, and put in the name, possibly. |
| 16:58.47 | wurp2 | wibbit: True, but e.g. if I'm driving down the road, even if I pull over to do it, sketching is much faster than typing on a neo-type device |
| 16:59.18 | wibbit | wurp2: May be for you, I think I'd find tapping out the road name, a lot quicker then trying to sketch it |
| 16:59.20 | Kero | wurp2: certainly, compiled it myself :) |
| 16:59.23 | wibbit | wurp2: my hand writing sucks |
| 16:59.48 | Kero | http://chmeee.dyndns.org/om/ruby/feed/ |
| 17:00.37 | Kero | including gtk2 bindings |
| 17:01.19 | wurp2 | wibbit: Mine too, but it's still much quicker for me than typing with a stylus |
| 17:01.24 | wurp2 | Kero: Cool! |
| 17:01.37 | wibbit | wurp2: okie |
| 17:03.45 | wurp2 | wibbit: Have you guys tried pyroute on the neo? |
| 17:04.17 | wurp2 | It takes a LOOOONG time to start up, and then when you navigate to any of the menus, as far as I can tell it never processes any further clicks |
| 17:04.25 | wibbit | I don't have a neo, was just trying it on my desktop |
| 17:04.34 | wurp2 | ah |
| 17:04.51 | wurp2 | I assume it is fixable. I've just had higher priority things to work on |
| 17:05.25 | wurp2 | And navit works fine, although I don't like the UI as much, I'm not as prone to add to a C app as python, and there are a few features in pyroute not in navit |
| 17:05.30 | wurp2 | e.g. sketching |
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| 17:30.06 | summatusmentis | I know OM mentored some people last year for gsoc, will OM do that again this year? Or will it probably be left to OE? |
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| 18:28.48 | PBeck | hi |
| 18:31.33 | jmichel | Anyone knows how to modify the kernel configuration before to build openmoko? |
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| 18:32.33 | jmichel | There is the file "moko/build/tmp/work/neo1973-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/linux-openmoko-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3801-r13/linux-2.6.22/.config" that has the configuration but it is overwritten when I rebuild the kernel |
| 18:36.12 | mwester | jmichel: how do you build the kernel? |
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| 18:42.27 | jmichel | mwester: with "make rebuild-package-linux-openmoko" |
| 18:45.21 | jmichel | mwester: and I removed the tag that deletes the source after the build so I could make some changes... but the "make rebuild-package-linux-openmoko" overwrites my changed woth the original version |
| 18:46.07 | mwester | Yep. That's the way it's supposed to work -- at that high a level, the concept of build targets and dependencies is at the level of the entire kernel, or an entire package. |
| 18:46.37 | mwester | You need to work a bit lower in the build structure - bitbake. |
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| 18:48.05 | mwester | Basically what I do is to first build the kernel, then edit the sources or update the defconfig - whatever is necessary - just as you've been doing. |
| 18:49.39 | jmichel | Is this folder the path of the kernel: "openembedded/packages/linux/linux-openmoko/" ? |
| 18:49.53 | mwester | Then delete the "do_compile" stamp for the kernel -- you'll find that in the buld/tmp/stamps/neo1973-angstrom-linux-gnueabi directory, named linux-openmoko-2.6.22.5-<whatever version you're building>do_compile |
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| 18:50.39 | mwester | No, the openembedded/* tree is the origin of the build recipes -- that's where patches and config info would go when a modification is complete and is being submitted. |
| 18:51.01 | jmichel | ok |
| 18:51.54 | mwester | Once you've deleted the appropriate do_compile stamp, you can then build with the generic target, and the bitbake system will see that only the compile step is missing for the kernel, so it won't unpack a new kernel and re-apply the patches, etc. |
| 18:53.32 | jmichel | ok I'll try this, thanks for the hint |
| 18:54.10 | mmontour | Another way - do "bitbake -c clean linux-openmoko" then "bitbake -c patch linux-openmoko". Edit the files, then "bitbake linux-openmoko" to run the rest of the build steps. |
| 18:55.15 | mwester | ( source the setup-env file before you run the bitbake commands) |
| 18:55.41 | mmontour | Yes, and run the bitbake command while in the "build" directory. |
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| 19:26.27 | thomasg | does somebody have stats how the voltage drop of the battery stands in relation to the charge-status? |
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| 19:31.42 | CM | thomasg: You mean how much battery time is left? |
| 19:31.51 | CM | I've seen some graphs, but not lately |
| 19:31.57 | CM | It's not linear for sure |
| 19:32.25 | thomasg | CM, yeah, I want to know when it's over :) |
| 19:32.40 | thomasg | neo is running for about 13h now (mostly in suspend) and at 3.785V |
| 19:33.08 | CM | josch made some graphs, but I can't remember the url |
| 19:33.31 | SpeedEvil | thomasg: it's standard lithium-ion |
| 19:33.32 | thomasg | same for me :) |
| 19:33.38 | thomasg | SpeedEvil, yes |
| 19:33.43 | thomasg | but what's standard? :) |
| 19:34.00 | SpeedEvil | thomasg: ballpark it's 'linear' between 4.1V and 3.3V or so. |
| 19:34.14 | SpeedEvil | with that being about 95% to 5% |
| 19:34.32 | SpeedEvil | I need to dig out and fix my patch for that. |
| 19:34.36 | thomasg | ah, that's what I wanted to know. thanks |
| 19:35.46 | thomasg | however - looks the standbytime is getting at least a bit better |
| 19:36.20 | SpeedEvil | using th clock ? |
| 19:37.46 | baze | 13h is still way too poor for a phone, imho |
| 19:37.49 | wurp2 | How are you suspending? |
| 19:38.03 | SpeedEvil | it'll get >>13h |
| 19:38.07 | wurp2 | baze: True, but this is just an early stage of a work in progress |
| 19:38.17 | baze | to be honest, i'd rather settle for 10x of that to be satisfied... |
| 19:38.53 | baze | my old samsung had to be recharged like every 3 days which really sucked |
| 19:38.54 | wurp2 | Even my crappy little phones w/ nothing on them barely last 3 days... |
| 19:39.01 | baze | in my opinion |
| 19:39.03 | CM | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/02/01/sandisk_prices_32gb_sdhc/ |
| 19:39.09 | wurp2 | Keep an extra battery :-) |
| 19:39.20 | SpeedEvil | For 20-30 hours, low-power modes are plausible |
| 19:39.29 | CM | Just wish it was a micro.. |
| 19:39.33 | SpeedEvil | for 100-200 hours, we need GSM fixes |
| 19:39.54 | SpeedEvil | and suspend-RAM working well |
| 19:39.57 | wurp2 | Can anyone tell me how they're doing suspend/other low power modes? |
| 19:40.02 | kdean06 | I've never owned a phone that lasted longer than 3 days on a single full charge so I'd be happy if it met that. |
| 19:40.10 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: hacked kernels and stuff |
| 19:40.17 | baze | SpeedEvil: do you think this will be possible (not by tomorrow or the next month, but maybe due summer or so) |
| 19:40.17 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: it's not user-ready |
| 19:40.23 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: ah, thanks |
| 19:40.28 | SpeedEvil | bart___: next month maybe |
| 19:40.46 | SpeedEvil | bart___: o a limited extent anyway. |
| 19:40.52 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: You think this stuff might roll into the OM mainline kernel by next month? |
| 19:40.56 | SpeedEvil | No |
| 19:40.57 | baze | ok, so there still _is_ potential |
| 19:41.11 | SpeedEvil | there may be custom patches and kernels available in a monthish |
| 19:41.12 | baze | that's at least a good thing to hear |
| 19:41.23 | wurp2 | What is the gsm standby power consumption? |
| 19:41.25 | SpeedEvil | I'd not expect it to be quite stable perhaps for a little bit more |
| 19:41.39 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: it depends. At the moment it's 1/40th of battery/hour |
| 19:41.39 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: Cool, thanks |
| 19:42.02 | wurp2 | So like 30 mA? |
| 19:42.03 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: It can reportedly be gotten - with firmware - down to 1/100 -1/200th |
| 19:42.10 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: yes, about that |
| 19:42.27 | wurp2 | That firmware figure would be awesome |
| 19:42.42 | wurp2 | As kdean06 says, I don't think I've ever had a phone that would make it more than 4 days, tops. |
| 19:42.47 | josch | CM, yeah I did some graphs - did you already find the url? |
| 19:42.47 | Kero | nice. where do I get new firmware? :) (sending unit elsewhere, iirc) |
| 19:42.48 | SpeedEvil | I have had many |
| 19:42.53 | SpeedEvil | basic nokias |
| 19:43.04 | SpeedEvil | My current one gets IIRC 12 days |
| 19:43.05 | wurp2 | Kero: I think there is a plan to deliver something to update gsm firmware |
| 19:43.09 | baze | k800i lasts about 5 days here |
| 19:43.13 | josch | CM, http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/battvolt.png http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/battvolt2.png |
| 19:43.14 | wurp2 | Kero: License agreements are still outstanding |
| 19:43.23 | SpeedEvil | b+W LCDs FTW |
| 19:43.26 | Kero | wurp2: there is, but I haven't heard anything definite on it |
| 19:43.37 | baze | depends of course on how much you actually make calls |
| 19:43.48 | wurp2 | But for now, you have to send it to Michael Shiloh (for the SIM update; presume it would be the same for the power one) |
| 19:43.49 | CM | josch: Ah, thanks |
| 19:43.59 | josch | CM, you're welcome ^^ |
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| 19:44.10 | wurp2 | Kero: Me neither, I was just assuming maybe you hadn't heard about it |
| 19:44.15 | baze | but for a bit browsing, rss, email and some calls and sms it's about 5 days in the last weeks for me |
| 19:44.22 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: no - it's been reported that it should be possible to flash in the fiels |
| 19:44.26 | SpeedEvil | field |
| 19:44.37 | Kero | with or without jtag? |
| 19:44.39 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: That's what I was talking about re: the license agreements |
| 19:44.56 | SpeedEvil | qh |
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| 19:45.03 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: Afaik you certainly can't flash in the field now |
| 19:45.13 | wurp2 | np |
| 19:45.19 | wurp2 | TV will rot your brain |
| 19:45.24 | wurp2 | and we need it for OM kernel updates |
| 19:46.14 | SpeedEvil | cesarb is working on much of the cpufreq stuff at the moment which will be a part of the solution. |
| 19:47.05 | SpeedEvil | the other part is rapid suspend and resume from RAM |
| 19:47.18 | Kero | question: dialer can use dbus to make a call, no? which daemon/lib/whatever receives the dbus message to pass it to gsmd/firmware ? |
| 19:47.33 | SpeedEvil | Ideally so that it can even suspend within a call if you're not using the computer |
| 19:50.12 | Kero | SpeedEvil: that would be very nice; I'd guess about doubling battery lifetime when making calls? |
| 19:50.29 | SpeedEvil | Kero: maybe not quite that |
| 19:50.41 | SpeedEvil | Kero: but a substantial slice - though less with cpufreq |
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| 19:56.07 | wurp2 | The reports I've heard indicate that the 1700 mAh battery should work in the 01, too |
| 19:56.19 | wurp2 | Which would add almost 50% to lifetime |
| 19:56.31 | Kero | SpeedEvil: antenna takes so much juice when transmitting? or is power mgmt for the cpu+screen already better than I expect ;) |
| 19:56.50 | Kero | doesn't really matter; would still be very nice! |
| 19:56.54 | SpeedEvil | transmitter uses lots of power |
| 19:57.45 | Kero | are batteries already for sale, separately? I'd order one while I'm still in the states. |
| 19:58.26 | wurp2 | I'm not sure the batteries are available, period |
| 19:58.32 | wurp2 | (the 1700 mA ones) |
| 19:58.54 | wurp2 | The reports I'm referring to are the internal OM devs using the 1200 mAh batteries in their FreeRunners |
| 19:58.57 | Kero | hehe; even a spare v01 one (arne't they s/thing like 1500, 1600 mAh anyway?) |
| 19:59.19 | Kero | or am I confusing my old iPAQ battery... |
| 19:59.23 | wurp2 | as in, I haven't heard any indication that any of the internal devs have the 1700mAh battery for their FreeRunner |
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| 19:59.40 | wurp2 | Kero: the 01 batteries are ~1200 mAh |
| 19:59.49 | Kero | ok. |
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| 20:05.37 | thomasg | it's still not possible to turn off the display, is it (not talking about backlight)? |
| 20:06.45 | wurp2 | sure |
| 20:06.48 | wurp2 | That's in settingsgui |
| 20:07.04 | wurp2 | And you can just send the right string to the right proc file to do it programatically |
| 20:07.15 | wurp2 | Oh, wait... |
| 20:07.39 | wurp2 | To my mind there are three levels of "screen on": lcd off, dim, and full backlight |
| 20:07.56 | wurp2 | I assume that if the screen is on at all, you can see it... |
| 20:08.06 | wurp2 | If that's true, what I said earlier is also true |
| 20:08.14 | wurp2 | If not, then I have no idea. |
| 20:08.37 | wurp2 | It certainly looks in settingsgui like you have two options: adjust level of backlight, and turn off lcd altogether |
| 20:13.32 | br3n | batteries they are testing right now are 1250 it seems http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Prototypes |
| 20:14.17 | br3n | 3.7V |
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| 20:22.36 | wurp2 | br3n: Hmm, that worries me |
| 20:22.50 | wurp2 | I hoped the FreeRunner would come with those 1700 mAh they were talking about |
| 20:23.07 | br3n | it might :-) |
| 20:23.10 | wurp2 | 1250 is not a standard 01 battery; they're 1200 |
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| 22:01.11 | madel | hi all |
| 22:02.10 | madel | I have built openmoko and was trying to flash qemu but the following error arise http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54389/, could any one help me with this |
| 22:03.34 | madel | ? |
| 22:04.09 | br3n | madel, looking (but newbie so don't expect much) |
| 22:04.50 | madel | br3n: ok, thank you |
| 22:07.00 | wurp2 | It doesn't make any sense to me |
| 22:07.12 | wurp2 | Have you googled for 'bad block qemu'? |
| 22:07.14 | wurp2 | :-) |
| 22:07.20 | br3n | madel, i don't know enough to know what is wrong....all i can say is following these instructions exactly worked for me http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Automatic_emulation_in_Ubuntu |
| 22:07.34 | br3n | is that what you followed |
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| 22:08.45 | zash_ | anyone have experience of serial terminals? |
| 22:09.48 | cesarb | ok, let's see if this 2.6.24 kernel boots |
| 22:10.43 | cesarb | it does, so the gta01-not-booting bug is really fixed |
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| 22:14.06 | cesarb | urgh, lockup, before I could manage to get to the cpufreq directory to start testing |
| 22:14.48 | tushyd | so how are things going in general? What are we looking at in terms of when the neo will be stable enough for a daily user like me? |
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| 22:16.06 | br3n | tushyd, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Snapshot_review |
| 22:17.01 | tushyd | br3n, thanks |
| 22:17.15 | br3n | tushyd, np |
| 22:17.57 | br3n | tushyd, several times a week there will be updates of the latest "daily build" on that page so you can keep watching..... |
| 22:18.03 | cesarb | tushyd: that's 2.6.24, the kernel currently being used is 2.6.22.5, which works fine |
| 22:18.16 | cesarb | tushyd: I'm hacking on 2.6.24 currently, that's all |
| 22:20.38 | br3n | cesarb, how is cpufreq going? |
| 22:22.41 | cesarb | br3n: I'm trying to test it on 2.6.24, but it locks up before I can type the commands to enable it |
| 22:23.08 | cesarb | br3n: it's before my code gets active, so I currently have no idea why is that happening |
| 22:23.20 | cesarb | br3n: it's a hard lock up, since holding power powers down |
| 22:23.21 | br3n | :-( |
| 22:23.23 | tushyd | so cesarb, the 2.6.22.5 is stable? I just want to know if I should buy one... i'm not that into programming but i would consider myself a poweruser |
| 22:23.52 | cesarb | tushyd: last I looked at the userspace, it wasn't poweruser-ready yet, but that was more than a month ago |
| 22:23.55 | br3n | tushyd, wait for new freerunner soon to be released |
| 22:24.06 | mmontour | cesarb: It looks like the bleeding-edge build has now switched to 2.6.24 - my MokoMakefile is currently compiling "linux-openmoko-2.6.24+svnr4009-r3950-r1" |
| 22:24.37 | tushyd | ok, that's cool. I'm willing to wait for it :) |
| 22:25.36 | br3n | tushyd, maybe march maybe april maybe may..... (they say march approx at mo) |
| 22:26.12 | cesarb | mmontour: good, is there any success report with gta01 running it yet? |
| 22:26.22 | tushyd | is that when gta02 comes out? |
| 22:26.42 | br3n | yes, see topic at irc login |
| 22:27.06 | cesarb | mmontour: I built 2.6.24 outside the tree, but other than the cpufreq patches (which should be inert before I enable it on /sys), it should be the same, and it's crashing reliably after about a minute |
| 22:27.24 | cesarb | mmontour: I would like to know if it's just me |
| 22:27.33 | br3n | cesarb, at least is reliable :-) |
| 22:30.25 | cesarb | That serial console code is a mess |
| 22:31.39 | mmontour | cesarb: I'm at work right now so I won't be able to test it until this evening, but if it crashes I'll say something here and/or on the mailing list. |
| 22:31.50 | cesarb | mmontour: thanks |
| 22:32.36 | br3n | cesarb, only qemu here.... |
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| 23:32.55 | cesarb | further proving it was the wacky serial code again, I booted without the serial console and it didn't lock up |
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| 23:38.21 | Vegar | cesarb: some of the neo-specific nodes under /sys changed names in 2.6.24, so you're going to encounter some userspace bugs |
| 23:40.16 | Vegar | oh |
| 23:40.20 | Vegar | you're aware of that |
| 23:40.28 | cesarb | Vegar: it probably was exactly that: it didn't turn on the modem |
| 23:40.44 | cesarb | oh well, my code which was working is still working, which is what I wanted to check |
| 23:40.55 | Vegar | is the display flicker gone too? |
| 23:40.58 | cesarb | but the frambuffer code, which I didn't check before, is completely broken |
| 23:41.06 | cesarb | not only the flicker ISN'T gone |
| 23:41.31 | cesarb | but also it does a VERY psychadelic (sp?) glitch for a couple of seconds during every transition! |
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| 23:41.53 | cesarb | the screen fades to yellow and then suddely comes back to life at the wrong speed (as can be noticed by the flicker) |
| 23:42.09 | Vegar | psychedelic* |
| 23:42.45 | cesarb | Vegar: thanks, I never get that word correct in English (I'm used to "psicodélico", which I always get right... :D ) |
| 23:43.11 | Vegar | that's even more complicated than the English word |
| 23:44.53 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03werner * r4010 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/scripts/ (README build update): |
| 23:44.53 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Updates "scripts" directory for location under /branches, brought in still |
| 23:44.53 | CIA-15 | openmoko: missing files from /trunk. |
| 23:45.47 | cesarb | Vegar: it's actually simpler... no "ch", no "y"... |
| 23:45.59 | cesarb | Vegar: it's said the same way it's written... |
| 23:46.11 | Vegar | do you pronounce the p too? |
| 23:46.28 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03werner * r4011 10/ (kernel u-boot): |
| 23:46.28 | CIA-15 | openmoko: - /kernel: symlink to branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x |
| 23:46.28 | CIA-15 | openmoko: - /u-boot: symlink to trunk/src/target/u-boot |
| 23:46.34 | cesarb | Vegar: (instead of the incredibly random English pronouciation, where each letter can have several completely distinct sounds) |
| 23:46.54 | Vegar | haha, yeah, that's true |
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| 23:48.27 | cesarb | I already noticed that, while I do not have good English pronouciation (probably due to almost never actually speaking in english), other Brazilians can understand me fine. We must make the exact same mistakes :D |
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