| 00:01.38 | KrisAbsinthe | downloading now, thanks man and good work |
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| 00:16.52 | aevin | bkruse: interesting :-) |
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| 00:28.59 | KrisAbsinthe | installed asterisk no problem ;) |
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| 00:33.30 | Furlong45 | hi |
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| 00:38.22 | zash_ | thank you for the spam |
| 00:43.14 | cesarb | wtf, now samsung needs registration to get the datasheets? ("We provide limited information for product information security."???) |
| 00:43.49 | KrisAbsinthe | People are going to get sick of stuff like that |
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| 00:45.46 | balrog-kun | yay, security :) |
| 00:46.05 | balrog-kun | i already feel much more secure using samsung hardware now |
| 00:47.18 | cesarb | And it looks like the formerly easily downloadable 2410A (the one for GTA01) is also now behind that login barrier |
| 00:50.32 | cesarb | It's going to be a problem if at least the BSDL file isn't available (isn't it needed for using the debug board to... debug?) |
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| 00:57.41 | bkruse | KrisAbsinthe: check it out |
| 00:57.49 | bkruse | KrisAbsinthe: tell me how it goes, have not had time to do much tesing |
| 00:57.51 | bkruse | testing* I want to port pidgin to moko also |
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| 00:58.43 | KrisAbsinthe | i want IRC but the damn OSKB is too small, need to buy a BT one |
| 00:59.01 | bkruse | KrisAbsinthe: Well I want to port some apps |
| 00:59.05 | bkruse | some I might do some irc client |
| 00:59.36 | KrisAbsinthe | Sweet |
| 00:59.51 | bkruse | KrisAbsinthe: tell me when you get it, it should be pretty easy to installed |
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| 01:00.08 | KrisAbsinthe | oh i installed it already lol |
| 01:00.14 | bkruse | KrisAbsinthe: works? |
| 01:00.57 | KrisAbsinthe | have not tested a call, but the install worked and the program launches without faulting |
| 01:01.08 | bkruse | KrisAbsinthe: horray! |
| 01:01.18 | bkruse | KrisAbsinthe: Did you have to install the speex lib also? |
| 01:01.42 | KrisAbsinthe | i did that first so I dont know if it was required, ill uninstall real quick |
| 01:01.55 | bkruse | KrisAbsinthe: perfect! |
| 01:03.01 | bkruse | hopefully it will complain about the library not being installed |
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| 01:03.35 | bkruse | KrisAbsinthe: then, if you could try a 'console dial' and if that worked in the the speaker as a real call, that would give me a good audio hook |
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| 01:06.23 | KrisAbsinthe | Did not need to link the termcap , Did not complain about speex |
| 01:06.29 | bkruse | yay! |
| 01:06.32 | bkruse | and it still starts up? |
| 01:06.36 | bkruse | did you ipkg remove speex ? |
| 01:06.37 | KrisAbsinthe | yeah |
| 01:06.47 | KrisAbsinthe | sure did |
| 01:06.53 | bkruse | herm, must not have removed the library really... |
| 01:07.41 | KrisAbsinthe | must not have |
| 01:08.14 | bkruse | wait, after you did that did you run ldconfig and do you have a /usr/lib/libspeex* something? |
| 01:09.10 | KrisAbsinthe | Didnt run ldconfig and i have no lib |
| 01:09.18 | bkruse | ahh, it did work |
| 01:09.26 | bkruse | i bet asterisk will die on startup (I believe) |
| 01:09.34 | bkruse | or complain about speex somehow |
| 01:09.38 | KrisAbsinthe | let me check |
| 01:10.25 | KrisAbsinthe | nope, i did killall asterisk then ran it , in that console now |
| 01:12.17 | KrisAbsinthe | just reinstalled speex, now you want me to try a console dial |
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| 01:19.12 | bkruse | yes, KrisAbsinthe, that would rock |
| 01:20.05 | KrisAbsinthe | no problem, how do i do that lol |
| 01:20.43 | bkruse | KrisAbsinthe: um, edit extensions.conf add a context called blah at the bottom |
| 01:20.46 | bkruse | [blah] |
| 01:21.13 | bkruse | crap, brb, try console dial 1234@default |
| 01:21.14 | bkruse | brb |
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| 01:43.58 | Sjano | Hello |
| 01:44.39 | wurp2|away | hello |
| 01:45.11 | wurp2 | KrisAbsinthe: are you guys testing asterisk *on the neo*? |
| 01:45.29 | KrisAbsinthe | yup |
| 01:45.40 | wurp2 | THAT is frikking awesome |
| 01:45.54 | wurp2 | not to sound like a teen from the 80s, but it is ;-) |
| 01:45.54 | Sjano | i wondered... how do i know what # of MHz the GSM net in my country runs at? |
| 01:46.02 | KrisAbsinthe | they ipkg is available |
| 01:46.08 | KrisAbsinthe | hit my wiki lol |
| 01:46.12 | wurp2 | Sjano: If you're not in the US, it's almost certainly 900/1800 |
| 01:46.14 | KrisAbsinthe | just a sec |
| 01:46.25 | wurp2 | which are both supported by the neo GTA01 |
| 01:46.29 | wurp2 | and FreeRunner |
| 01:46.36 | wurp2 | US is 850/1900 |
| 01:46.51 | KrisAbsinthe | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM_850_test there are lists of every county in the world |
| 01:47.06 | KrisAbsinthe | but wurp2 is right |
| 01:47.32 | wurp2 | Has anyone been testing ScaredyCat builds? |
| 01:47.35 | KrisAbsinthe | wurp2: and yes asterisk is sweek on the neo lol |
| 01:47.39 | wurp2 | The last 2 I tried had no sound :-( |
| 01:47.42 | KrisAbsinthe | *sweet |
| 01:47.52 | wurp2 | What kind of stuff are you trying with it? |
| 01:48.18 | KrisAbsinthe | waiting for him to get back cause i dont know too much about it , do you? |
| 01:48.23 | wurp2 | or planning |
| 01:48.32 | KrisAbsinthe | want to make a test call |
| 01:48.51 | wurp2 | I thought it was for doing stuff like being your own VOIP phone servic3 |
| 01:48.59 | KrisAbsinthe | oh it is lol |
| 01:49.02 | wurp2 | e.g. you could spoof caller ID |
| 01:49.12 | wurp2 | not that I would do that ;-) |
| 01:49.44 | wurp2 | And I had some thoughts about using it (on a server machine, though) to give internet even when you're someplace w/ no gprs |
| 01:49.45 | KrisAbsinthe | me either, im old , i remember when you could easily confuse the CID |
| 01:49.58 | wurp2 | write a modem for the neo, and one on your server box |
| 01:50.15 | wurp2 | then get a voice only all you can eat mobile plan, and get data for free |
| 01:50.26 | wurp2 | of course, that would be a lot of work, and I'm busy and lazy |
| 01:50.44 | wurp2 | KrisAbsinthe: 37 yrs here |
| 01:50.53 | wurp2 | so I'm old too, relatively |
| 01:51.20 | KrisAbsinthe | exactly, my plate is full with making a Desktop Manager for Moko based devices |
| 01:51.28 | KrisAbsinthe | Im 27 |
| 01:52.51 | wurp2 | heh |
| 01:53.00 | wurp2 | "old" |
| 01:54.16 | wurp2 | burning non-scaredycat image to my neo :-/ |
| 01:55.06 | Sjano | how long battery lifetime does Neo1973 have? (i don't own one yet... just waiting for it to be finished since i don't know enough programming to really be any help).. and is it stable? can it send ad recive calls, sms and mms? |
| 01:56.07 | KrisAbsinthe | 5 hours or so, and functions come and go with releases |
| 01:56.41 | KrisAbsinthe | if your not a developer id stay away for a couple months |
| 01:58.14 | KrisAbsinthe | SMS and calls are decent with the Qtopia images |
| 02:00.01 | Kero | what does qtopia use for gsm stack? must be different from openmoko |
| 02:00.18 | KrisAbsinthe | proprietary |
| 02:01.07 | Sjano | KrisAbsinthe: yeah, i know... but still... i think it's an exciteing project.... hope it'll get end-user friendly soon :D |
| 02:01.50 | KrisAbsinthe | Sjano: thats what everyone is working on. I cant wait to see the masses with this device lol |
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| 02:08.33 | balrog-kun | KrisAbsinthe: no, it's not proprietary |
| 02:08.50 | balrog-kun | Qtopia uses it's own, qt based stack of gsm libs and programs |
| 02:08.59 | balrog-kun | it's all opensource, and it's pretty well done |
| 02:09.03 | balrog-kun | except it's in C++ |
| 02:09.11 | balrog-kun | quite modular and flexible |
| 02:09.36 | balrog-kun | plus, fully documented |
| 02:09.38 | KrisAbsinthe | I see, i didnt know that it was open source without buying the kit |
| 02:09.56 | balrog-kun | Qtopia phone edition is entirely gpl v2 |
| 02:10.06 | mjr | they freed it last autumnish |
| 02:10.13 | KrisAbsinthe | thats great |
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| 02:25.52 | wurp2|away | Does someone have their neo handy with a term open? |
| 02:25.56 | wurp2|away | Or sshed in? |
| 02:26.06 | wurp2|away | I think I am missing something from /dev/snd |
| 02:26.09 | wurp2|away | like my sound device |
| 02:27.30 | KrisAbsinthe | im in |
| 02:27.56 | XorA|gone | wurp2|away: what modules you have loaded? |
| 02:28.30 | KrisAbsinthe | nevermind apperently im froze let me reboot real quick |
| 02:28.48 | wurp2|away | http://pastebin.ca/874084 |
| 02:29.13 | wurp2|away | I see snd modules in there |
| 02:29.24 | wurp2|away | but I don't see anything in /dev/snd that looks useful |
| 02:30.09 | wurp2|away | I saw some comments from ScaredyCat about something like this yesterday |
| 02:30.20 | wurp2|away | but... I'm not running a ScaredyCat image now |
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| 02:30.38 | wurp2|away | I updated my kernel, thinking maybe it was a mismatch, but to no avail |
| 02:30.44 | KrisAbsinthe | i have 6 items , typing them in just a second |
| 02:31.04 | wurp2|away | KrisAbsinthe: thx |
| 02:31.29 | KrisAbsinthe | controlC0 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p pcmCOD1c pcmC0D1p timer |
| 02:31.31 | KrisAbsinthe | np |
| 02:31.38 | wurp2|away | Yeah, all I have is timer |
| 02:31.55 | wurp2|away | So I definitely have a problem there |
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| 02:32.03 | KrisAbsinthe | what build you running |
| 02:32.08 | blckdove | wurp2|away: i had same problem and fixed that this morning |
| 02:32.18 | wurp2|away | I am really not that interested in debugging it, if anyone can point me to a good recent kernel/jffs2 combo :-) |
| 02:32.22 | wurp2|away | blckdove: Aha! |
| 02:32.24 | wurp2|away | Great! |
| 02:32.34 | blckdove | u are missing snd_soc_core and others |
| 02:33.04 | blckdove | do ipkg list_installed | grep snd |
| 02:33.12 | wurp2|away | KrisAbsinthe: uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3874-r13-neo1973.bin/ OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080124-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2, but it sounds as if blckdove is fixing me up :-) |
| 02:33.16 | RayDar | Neat! I just updated my phone and now all the text strings appear as square boxes. |
| 02:33.18 | wurp2|away | K, I did that earlier |
| 02:33.22 | wurp2|away | but I wasn't sure what I needed |
| 02:33.43 | blckdove | latest snapshot seems to miss few snd-modules |
| 02:33.48 | KrisAbsinthe | bbl |
| 02:34.04 | wurp2|away | blckdove: http://pastebin.ca/874088 |
| 02:34.37 | blckdove | wait ill check my log |
| 02:35.11 | blckdove | snd_soc_core,snd_soc_s3c24xx,snd_soc_wm8753,snd_soc_s3c24xx_i2s |
| 02:35.21 | RayDar | maybe the latest snapshot is also missing a few fonts |
| 02:35.29 | wurp2|away | w/ kernel_ prepended to it? |
| 02:35.43 | wurp2|away | RayDar: I just updated to latest and don't have font probs |
| 02:36.50 | wurp2|away | blckdove: Are those in the standard repositories that come in the image? |
| 02:36.54 | wurp2|away | Or did you have to add some? |
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| 02:37.16 | wurp2|away | 'cause I don't see thos in ipkg list |
| 02:37.17 | blckdove | i have 2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3874-r13 modules |
| 02:37.26 | wurp2|away | blckdove: thx |
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| 02:37.58 | bkruse | KrisAbsinthe: back |
| 02:38.08 | wurp2|away | blckdove: Did you d/l those individually, or add to your /etc/ipkg for it? |
| 02:39.02 | blckdove | i added ipkg conf http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.11/ipk/neo1973/ |
| 02:39.34 | blckdove | I got my device yesturday so I am not sure if what I did was correct.. but it worked |
| 02:39.38 | wurp2|away | heh |
| 02:39.45 | blckdove | =D |
| 02:40.40 | blckdove | wurp2|away: btw I removed snd modules that where with old kernel |
| 02:40.55 | blckdove | wurp2|away: u are running 22.5 kernel right? |
| 02:41.06 | wurp2|away | yeah |
| 02:41.19 | blckdove | ok .. you should be fine with adding those modules |
| 02:41.19 | wurp2|away | OK, I will crunch on that |
| 02:41.24 | wurp2|away | thank you very much! |
| 02:41.32 | wurp2|away | going to spend time with family... |
| 02:43.08 | bkruse | KrisAbsinthe: did you try the console dial? Can someone install the asterisk package and try to console dial and see if you get audio? |
| 02:46.05 | blckdove | wurp2|away: after getting sound work, pls do phonecall and see if other end will get his voice echoed back. I suspect its alsa mixer/config/ctl restore problem that has appeared after update. I was working on it today but could not get it solved |
| 02:46.42 | blckdove | Im assuming its new problem because I cannot find any similar problem reports |
| 02:49.02 | blckdove | oh if I only could get qemu compiled with gentoo :( |
| 02:49.14 | RayDar | wurp2|away: Which files did you use? |
| 02:49.44 | blckdove | I think his gone |
| 02:49.57 | blckdove | what you need? |
| 02:51.27 | blckdove | http://pastebin.ca/874097 - snd modules needed |
| 02:51.37 | RayDar | blckdove: I just installed the latest snapshots from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D and my fonts seem to be messed up. I just get black squares instead of text. |
| 02:52.05 | blckdove | hmm... I dont have that problem |
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| 02:52.26 | RayDar | It roundly sucks. |
| 02:52.53 | blckdove | where exactly is your fonts bad? |
| 02:53.03 | blckdove | in GUI? |
| 02:53.17 | RayDar | The boot font works, but once it is booted up into the GUI, the text strings are just black squares. |
| 02:53.41 | SpeedEvil | Rakshasa: have you ever upgraded u-boot? |
| 02:53.46 | SpeedEvil | rayd: |
| 02:54.10 | RayDar | SpeedEvil: Yeah. I just did today, along with the other two. |
| 02:54.35 | SpeedEvil | did you upgrade u-boot last?2A |
| 02:54.38 | blckdove | I did not update u-boot btw (I have the one that came with the hw) |
| 02:54.39 | RayDar | Hmmm, not all the fonts are bad "Registering...." at the top of the screen is visible and the large clock is OK. |
| 02:54.42 | SpeedEvil | ok |
| 02:55.08 | SpeedEvil | The problem is with the initial u-boot and jffs |
| 02:55.44 | RayDar | I used http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/uboot-gta01bv4-latest.bin |
| 02:55.46 | SpeedEvil | jffs has a problem where if you overwrite a large filesystem with a small filesystem, the result may not be the small filessytem, but a massively corrupt filesystem |
| 02:56.17 | SpeedEvil | Combine this with the first u-boots lack of wiping a partition before you dfu-upgrade it, and you get problems |
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| 02:56.26 | SpeedEvil | so you need to nand erase rootfs first |
| 02:56.47 | RayDar | SpeedEvil: And then re-send all three? |
| 02:56.49 | SpeedEvil | however, this may not be the problem. note, nand erase alone can brick your device |
| 02:57.06 | SpeedEvil | see [[bootloader]] or [[flashing openmoko]] I think |
| 02:57.08 | RayDar | I have a debug card. |
| 02:57.20 | mwester | Still, you don't want to have to use it. |
| 02:57.36 | blckdove | where is x11 conf file btw? |
| 02:57.58 | RayDar | mwester: I bet you are correct and I won't want to have to use it. |
| 02:58.25 | RayDar | I guess I will try the "nand erase rootfs" command as suggested by SpeedEvil |
| 02:58.33 | mwester | It's one of Murphy's laws. If you have it, you won't need it. |
| 02:59.55 | RayDar | Which item on the power menu is the shutdown now? |
| 03:00.10 | blckdove | bottom one |
| 03:00.20 | RayDar | small bottom one or large bottom one? |
| 03:00.25 | blckdove | bottom large one |
| 03:00.33 | blckdove | last small is the dismiss |
| 03:00.53 | RayDar | OK... |
| 03:00.55 | RayDar | there it goes |
| 03:02.51 | bkruse | Any test my asterisk ipkg and try to pass a clal? |
| 03:02.53 | bkruse | call* |
| 03:02.58 | KrisAbsinthe | back |
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| 03:03.17 | RayDar | So, I am going to do a "nand erase rootfs" and then re-send the u-boot, kernel, and root. Correct? |
| 03:03.34 | SpeedEvil | only rootfs |
| 03:03.36 | RayDar | Or should I just skip the first two and only re-send the root? |
| 03:03.39 | bkruse | RayDar: I did that then just restored rootfs |
| 03:03.39 | SpeedEvil | actually |
| 03:03.48 | SpeedEvil | if you've upgraded u-boot |
| 03:03.51 | RayDar | I have |
| 03:04.01 | SpeedEvil | just uploading rootfs normally should do it |
| 03:05.06 | KrisAbsinthe | Asterisk says ' No such command 'console dial' (tyoe 'help' for help) |
| 03:05.12 | RayDar | OK. Here goes nothing. |
| 03:06.25 | RayDar | I don't need to re-upload the kernel? |
| 03:07.06 | KrisAbsinthe | not if the rootfs image matches and the kernel is good |
| 03:07.24 | SpeedEvil | yep |
| 03:07.42 | blckdove | anyone experiencing echo on phonecalls with latest snapshot? |
| 03:07.50 | RayDar | SpeedEvil: Was that "yep" aimed at me or KrisAbsinthe ? |
| 03:07.55 | SpeedEvil | anyone experie |
| 03:08.04 | SpeedEvil | raydar |
| 03:08.11 | RayDar | blckdove: I had echo on my phone calls with snapshot from two weeks ago. |
| 03:08.17 | SpeedEvil | KrisAbsinthe: sorry - don't know asterisk |
| 03:08.29 | blckdove | RayDar: neo or other end |
| 03:08.43 | RayDar | blckdove: Neo side. |
| 03:08.55 | blckdove | i have other end |
| 03:09.22 | blckdove | im suspecting /etc/gsmheadset.state does not match with latest drivers or something |
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| 03:09.40 | KrisAbsinthe | SpeedEvil: me and bkruse were testing a sweet port he did to the neo |
| 03:09.46 | blckdove | handset.state i mean |
| 03:09.59 | RayDar | rebooting.... |
| 03:10.00 | wurp2|away | I think *everyone* has problems with echo on the other end of the neo |
| 03:10.11 | bkruse | SpeedEvil: end goal being a nice iax client... |
| 03:10.13 | blckdove | wurp2|away: oki... ill let it be then |
| 03:10.14 | KrisAbsinthe | i fixed my echo on the other end |
| 03:10.15 | wurp2|away | there was a recent gsm state pkg that was supposed to fix it |
| 03:10.21 | wurp2|away | I tried it, no luck |
| 03:10.22 | bkruse | SpeedEvil: you have helped me a lot to get to this point, adding to credits |
| 03:10.30 | RayDar | KrisAbsinthe: How did you fix your echo? |
| 03:10.32 | wurp2|away | KrisAbsinthe: Yeah, I know you can manually edit the alsa mixer |
| 03:10.36 | wurp2|away | I haven't done that yet |
| 03:10.53 | KrisAbsinthe | i have the asound > on my user bio at moko wiki |
| 03:10.57 | blckdove | KrisAbsinthe: those alsa settings you provided earlier did not do the tric for me |
| 03:10.59 | wurp2|away | There are a LOT of alsa settings |
| 03:11.13 | bkruse | seriously, ugh |
| 03:11.16 | KrisAbsinthe | well shit |
| 03:11.28 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.29 | KrisAbsinthe | ill have to travel to a GSM 1900 area then |
| 03:12.13 | bkruse | ugh, already have something binded to alsa |
| 03:12.22 | bkruse | does madplay kill off other pulseaudio stuff? |
| 03:12.33 | bkruse | because I am having trouble binding to alsa because it is in use |
| 03:12.45 | RayDar | Yay! My fonts work again. Thanks blckdove and SpeedEvil |
| 03:12.57 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 03:13.07 | SpeedEvil | RayDar: just uploading again worked? |
| 03:13.19 | blckdove | RayDar: i think i did not do anything for you on that.. thank SpeedEvil only =D |
| 03:13.29 | RayDar | SpeedEvil: I did the "nand erase rootfs" thing first. Probably didn't need to though. |
| 03:13.36 | SpeedEvil | possibly not. |
| 03:13.45 | SpeedEvil | It's only u-boots before Sep? that needed that |
| 03:13.48 | wurp2|away | Thanks, blckdove, you fixed my sound! |
| 03:13.51 | RayDar | OK. Then only thank YOU SpeedEvil . |
| 03:14.14 | bkruse | ugh, I might just make a simple driver for iaxclient/asterisk |
| 03:14.22 | wurp2|away | bkruse: pulseaudio is already bound to alsa |
| 03:14.35 | wurp2|away | you can shut it down temporarily with /etc/init.d/pulseaudio stop |
| 03:14.46 | bkruse | wurp2|away: perfect! |
| 03:14.47 | bkruse | thank you |
| 03:14.56 | wurp2|away | yw :-) |
| 03:15.07 | bkruse | what about when I write this iax client, how will I say "incoming call, need to bind to alsa" |
| 03:15.08 | blckdove | could someone tarball me compiled qemu-neo1973 dir for MokoMakefile project.. I cant compile it in gentoo |
| 03:15.21 | blckdove | for x86 |
| 03:15.28 | bkruse | also, do apps always run in the background after opened? This one will have to, so it can monitor for incoming calls |
| 03:16.14 | KrisAbsinthe | you could write your iax client as a panel app |
| 03:16.24 | bkruse | KrisAbsinthe: explain! ;] |
| 03:17.23 | bkruse | or some docs, either or :] |
| 03:17.36 | KrisAbsinthe | load the application to the matchbox-panel , in the way the OSKB works it monitors for text input boxes, i dont see a reason why your app couldnt monitor for iax |
| 03:18.10 | bkruse | interesting |
| 03:18.13 | bkruse | is that on the wiki somewhere? |
| 03:18.56 | KrisAbsinthe | looking |
| 03:19.32 | bkruse | KrisAbsinthe: thank you very very much |
| 03:19.41 | bkruse | I would want to eventually integrate it into the dialer |
| 03:19.59 | KrisAbsinthe | that would be great |
| 03:20.11 | wurp2|away | WOOHOO |
| 03:20.22 | wurp2|away | I can now receive calls while the media player is going |
| 03:20.30 | bkruse | wurp2|away: nice! |
| 03:20.34 | wurp2|away | So I can actually make use of it as a phone :-) |
| 03:20.41 | wurp2|away | I still have echo |
| 03:20.47 | bkruse | still awesome step |
| 03:20.56 | wurp2|away | yeah |
| 03:21.09 | bkruse | can multiple things use pulse audio at the same time? |
| 03:21.12 | KrisAbsinthe | call someone and ssh to the neo and alsamixer it |
| 03:21.38 | wurp2|away | KrisAbsinthe: Doing so... |
| 03:21.54 | blckdove | make sure you have minutes cos it can take a whild ;) |
| 03:21.56 | blckdove | while |
| 03:22.04 | wurp2|away | blckdove: So you got it going too? |
| 03:22.11 | blckdove | nope |
| 03:22.16 | wurp2|away | hah |
| 03:22.24 | bkruse | you should be good :] |
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| 03:22.27 | blckdove | played around with it like half hour and gave up |
| 03:22.45 | wurp2|away | bummre |
| 03:22.53 | wurp2|away | s/re/er/ |
| 03:23.04 | blckdove | but im confident its alsa mixer/config problem |
| 03:23.09 | RayDar | mwester: Murphy kicked in. Because I have a debug card I didn't have to use it. |
| 03:23.16 | wurp2|away | OK, KrisAbsinthe, which settings am I looking for? |
| 03:23.32 | blckdove | I had same thing with my PC and teamspeak like 2002 =D |
| 03:23.40 | mwester | RayDar: :) |
| 03:23.52 | bkruse | lol teamspeak, wow |
| 03:24.00 | KrisAbsinthe | the amps go down and the bypass,mono,PCM go up a bit |
| 03:24.17 | wurp2|away | OK, thx |
| 03:24.28 | blckdove | bkruse: just pointing out that alsa tend to have such problems =D |
| 03:24.36 | bkruse | blckdove: agreed |
| 03:24.54 | blckdove | :D |
| 03:25.41 | KrisAbsinthe | ok you can add your app to the panel by editing /etc/matchbox/session , may have to redirect your stream so you dont lock the panel like i just did |
| 03:25.55 | wurp2|away | I only see left amp and mono amp as having any volume |
| 03:25.57 | bkruse | nice! |
| 03:26.01 | wurp2|away | I turn them all the way down and I still have echo |
| 03:26.06 | mmontour | Mono Sidetone Volume is a good one to adjust for echo/buzz issues |
| 03:26.14 | wurp2|away | mmontour: thx |
| 03:27.01 | wurp2|away | ok, w/ mono sidetone all the way down I have no echo |
| 03:27.05 | mmontour | Note that "mono voice" also adjusts this same control - kernel bug #1190 |
| 03:27.10 | blckdove | wurp2|away: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:KrisAbsinthe ... he provided his settings earlier today |
| 03:27.34 | wurp2|away | Is it possible to get sound to work for calls w/ mono sidetone all down? |
| 03:27.59 | bkruse | i think the sidetone is what your guy's echo is |
| 03:28.05 | bkruse | I wish i could listen to it, i do that all day |
| 03:28.36 | mmontour | It's in the audio path from the mic to the gsm chip, so you may not want it all the way down |
| 03:28.58 | wurp2|away | ok |
| 03:29.03 | wurp2|away | I know it is too quiet now |
| 03:29.08 | blckdove | what troubles me on those alsasettins is the capture setting (about 30%) on sidetone |
| 03:29.16 | wurp2|away | lemme try KrisAbsinthe 's settings |
| 03:29.29 | KrisAbsinthe | dont know if there good or not |
| 03:29.45 | KrisAbsinthe | tried to redo from memory cause im in a gsm 850 area |
| 03:30.12 | wurp2|away | ah |
| 03:30.14 | blckdove | i tried bunch of settins earlier today.. |
| 03:30.17 | wurp2|away | never mind then :-) |
| 03:30.27 | blckdove | wurp2|away: dont forget to report if you get the echo away |
| 03:30.31 | wurp2|away | once I get good ones I'll send it in |
| 03:30.34 | wurp2|away | :-) |
| 03:30.42 | KrisAbsinthe | i know damn sure ill test it as soon as the GTA01 modified gets here |
| 03:30.44 | wurp2|away | echo goes away if you turn mono sidetone all the way down |
| 03:30.55 | wurp2|away | but you can barely hear on the neo end |
| 03:31.00 | blckdove | you can reduce the echo, but then you loose the volume on real speak/hear aswell |
| 03:31.11 | blckdove | wurp2|away: exactly |
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| 03:31.25 | dbmoodb | ") |
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| 03:32.45 | KrisAbsinthe | i also remember having that issue |
| 03:32.46 | KrisAbsinthe | never have gotten the headset to work, of course i only have 15 minutes a day to try lol |
| 03:32.46 | blckdove | maybe my report earlier was not complete: I can reduce echo but I cannot make hear/speak work properly wihtout echo =D |
| 03:33.58 | blckdove | btw.. i think those settings are gone if you do alsactl restore |
| 03:34.30 | KrisAbsinthe | bbl |
| 03:34.39 | blckdove | so remember to do alsactl -f /media/card/gsm_mysettings.state store when you get it running |
| 03:34.50 | blckdove | wurp2|away: that was for you =D |
| 03:35.05 | blckdove | then post that .stete file to us ... hehe |
| 03:35.23 | KrisAbsinthe | hell yeah lol |
| 03:36.38 | wurp2|away | zero echo |
| 03:36.45 | wurp2|away | sound is great |
| 03:37.00 | wurp2|away | OK, stupid comment coming |
| 03:37.11 | wurp2|away | When I exit alsa, it will remember the settings? |
| 03:37.36 | wurp2|away | I will edit KrisAbsinthe's page w/ my settings, OK? |
| 03:38.09 | wurp2|away | KrisAbsinthe: Are you an 850 tester for gta01? |
| 03:38.31 | blckdove | wurp2|away:do alsactl -f /media/card/gsm_mysettings.state store |
| 03:38.35 | blckdove | to store the settings |
| 03:38.45 | wurp2|away | blckdove: But I have to exit the mixer to do that |
| 03:38.54 | wurp2|away | and it won't revert? |
| 03:38.55 | blckdove | yeah |
| 03:38.59 | blckdove | you can exit alsamixer |
| 03:39.01 | wurp2|away | k, exiting |
| 03:39.06 | blckdove | then do that |
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| 03:39.40 | blckdove | you can then replace cp the statefile and replace the /etc/gsmhandset.state |
| 03:39.58 | blckdove | and then it will use your new settings when swithing to phonecall mode |
| 03:40.16 | blckdove | that is, based on my experiences from today |
| 03:40.40 | blckdove | and please provide the .state file =D |
| 03:41.11 | wurp2|away | I have it now |
| 03:41.27 | wurp2|away | I actually have a newRootFs dir in my media/card |
| 03:41.34 | wurp2|away | with scripts to run every time I re-rootfs it |
| 03:41.46 | blckdove | well.. it was just a place to put it.. does not really matter |
| 03:42.15 | blckdove | if you replace the gsmhandset.state file, it should set proper ones automatically |
| 03:42.24 | blckdove | from that point on |
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| 03:46.10 | blckdove | wurp2|away: what kind of things you do after new rootfs? I mean for what you have scripts for? |
| 03:46.25 | RayDar | Gee, I sure hope they add T9 entry or something. |
| 03:48.02 | blckdove | virtual kb is way too smal even for stylus |
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| 03:50.37 | RayDar | blckdove: In the version I just installed, the tiny virtual keyboard is gone. They have a larger phone-style (ABC DEF GHI) keyboard. |
| 03:51.15 | RayDar | Of course, the upper case doesn't work and it doesn't have T9, but it is better than that really small keyboard they used to have. |
| 03:52.35 | RayDar | The power menu is still not optimal when the screen is rotated. |
| 03:53.49 | wurp2|away | modified gsmhandset.state saved at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA01_gsm_modem |
| 03:54.31 | wurp2|away | blckdove: I add make /home/root a link to /media/card/home/root, I add card as an ipkg location |
| 03:54.46 | wurp2|away | I install a bunch of packages including navit, some python packages |
| 03:54.54 | wurp2|away | all on the card, then I link 'em |
| 03:55.24 | wurp2|away | and I put a .shrc in / that I [ manually :-( ] run each time I start term |
| 03:55.27 | wurp2|away | that kind of stuff |
| 03:55.53 | wurp2|away | gotta bail, spending time with my son |
| 03:56.09 | wurp2|away | If someone can leave a message here about their results with the modified gsmhandset.state, I would appreciate it |
| 03:56.25 | wurp2|away | blckdove: Oh, and now it copies a good gsmhandset.state to /etc :-) |
| 03:56.28 | wurp2|away | later! |
| 03:57.18 | blckdove | later |
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| 04:03.54 | blckdove | wurp2|away: i have no sound on neither end with our settings =D |
| 04:05.26 | blckdove | when calling, i cannot even hear the ring tone in neo side |
| 04:05.57 | blckdove | similar output what I had with KrisAbsinthe's settings earlier |
| 04:06.13 | blckdove | it can be something very small.. ill take a look at it tomorrow |
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| 04:13.06 | wurp2|away | blckdove: Me neither, now |
| 04:13.07 | wurp2|away | but |
| 04:13.16 | wurp2|away | it sounds like the problem where the audio never switches over |
| 04:13.20 | wurp2|away | for phone calls |
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| 04:16.23 | blckdove | I was never good at alsa things anyway :( |
| 04:17.50 | blckdove | but now, while(eyes_open == true) watch_tv() |
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| 04:52.21 | KrisAbsinthe | Wurp2|away: Yes i am a GSM 850 tester and yes please edit my page |
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| 05:07.00 | wurp2|away | KrisAbsinthe: I put it on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA01_gsm_modem |
| 05:07.14 | wurp2|away | (not really here, btw) |
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| 05:08.52 | KrisAbsinthe | another cat put his state file up, http://drivehq.com/file/df.aspx/publish/sagacis/PublicFolder/handset.sagacis.state --thanks Sagacis |
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| 05:24.07 | bkruse | ugh i hate alsa |
| 05:24.10 | bkruse | forever |
| 05:28.06 | KrisAbsinthe | yeah me too. Apparently those of us who purchased the GTA01 are going to have to deal with low audio while in calls. Annoying. and now problems with PBXing this sucks |
| 05:28.24 | KrisAbsinthe | I love dev versions lol |
| 05:29.43 | KrisAbsinthe | weird, my RSA host key changed after i put in my SIM |
| 05:29.45 | bkruse | KrisAbsinthe: you tried anything? |
| 05:29.52 | bkruse | KrisAbsinthe: lol thats random |
| 05:31.22 | KrisAbsinthe | Yeah, ill type the output real quick. and my RSA didnt change im an idiot, trying to ssh into my own box |
| 05:31.31 | bkruse | lol |
| 05:31.39 | bkruse | "i hacked localhost, nice" |
| 05:31.51 | KrisAbsinthe | lol |
| 05:33.10 | KrisAbsinthe | "No such command ' console dial' " |
| 05:33.31 | KrisAbsinthe | thats what i get |
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| 05:46.25 | bkruse | rtp: if your name is rtp, can you help me with my sip client? :[ |
| 05:46.25 | bkruse | lol |
| 05:55.16 | wurp2|away | Hey, I found a good pic viewer for neo |
| 05:55.18 | wurp2|away | gqview |
| 05:55.23 | wurp2|away | Which I had been looking for |
| 05:55.29 | bkruse | wurp2|away: is it already on the neo? |
| 05:55.49 | wurp2|away | nope |
| 05:55.53 | wurp2|away | but it's in the default repositories |
| 05:56.11 | wurp2|away | if you're on the net you can just ipkg install gqview |
| 05:56.12 | bkruse | wurp2|away: so its already cross compiled and works well? |
| 05:56.16 | bkruse | nice |
| 05:56.21 | wurp2|away | well |
| 05:56.24 | bkruse | ima test it out |
| 05:56.31 | wurp2|away | it is very obviously not optimized for neo |
| 05:56.43 | wurp2|away | but you can resize windows and it is usable |
| 05:56.45 | bkruse | ahh, gotcha, but can be tweaked to work well? |
| 05:57.04 | wurp2|away | I can see a list of thumbnails, select one, and expand it to fit almost the full screen |
| 05:57.29 | bkruse | nice |
| 05:57.34 | wurp2|away | I suspect there's an option in there somewhere to make the pic full screen, but navigating those wifull screen designed menus on the neo is a trick :-) |
| 05:57.37 | bkruse | some gtk widget matching and it will work well |
| 05:57.39 | bkruse | exactly |
| 05:57.41 | wurp2|away | s/wifull/full/ |
| 05:57.46 | wurp2|away | yeah |
| 05:58.12 | wurp2|away | I've seen recommendations for exhibit and edje, but I couldn't get either of those to work |
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| 05:58.54 | wurp2|away | Once all this low level stuff is settled, I would love to see the amazing stuff that could be done with a cohesive redesign of the UI for all commonly used apps |
| 05:59.16 | bkruse | agreed, the UI does need to be....maybe to redesigned, but thought up a little more |
| 05:59.22 | bkruse | now that we have more time and such |
| 05:59.28 | wurp2|away | even this build I just put on is significantly better than what I got 4 weeks ago |
| 05:59.53 | wurp2|away | Well, I think it's just a matter of putting time in the right places |
| 05:59.53 | bkruse | good, good news |
| 05:59.57 | bkruse | I am building from BB right now |
| 05:59.57 | wurp2|away | which I think is happening |
| 06:00.02 | bkruse | Agreed |
| 06:00.15 | wurp2|away | It's just that those right places will get more shiny later on :-) |
| 06:00.21 | bkruse | exactly |
| 06:00.24 | bkruse | core is DEF important |
| 06:00.32 | bkruse | see normally, in phone development, we do not see this side of it at all |
| 06:00.32 | wurp2|away | yeah |
| 06:00.43 | bkruse | Or with any product end-users get, really |
| 06:00.43 | wurp2|away | absolutely |
| 06:00.48 | KrisAbsinthe | anyone know how to send CR to a shelled app? any language? |
| 06:01.16 | wurp2|away | ctrl-m? |
| 06:01.20 | KrisAbsinthe | starting to piss me off |
| 06:01.23 | bkruse | echo -en |
| 06:02.19 | wurp2|away | oh, wait, you want CR, not linefeed :-) |
| 06:03.05 | wurp2|away | anyone know why the touch 'click' goes away if you restart pulseaudio |
| 06:03.10 | wurp2|away | and how to turn it back on? |
| 06:06.05 | KrisAbsinthe | id try restarting /etc/init.d/asound |
| 06:06.27 | KrisAbsinthe | anyone else program in gambas2? |
| 06:06.47 | wurp2|away | ack |
| 06:07.01 | wurp2|away | I've been programming for 24 yrs and never HEARD of gambas2 |
| 06:07.13 | wurp2|away | I don't have an /etc/init.d/asound :-) |
| 06:08.39 | KrisAbsinthe | its like VB for GTK and QT |
| 06:08.46 | wurp2|away | ah |
| 06:09.04 | wurp2|away | I thought that was tcl |
| 06:09.27 | wurp2|away | or, for me, python :-) |
| 06:09.44 | KrisAbsinthe | i like it for quick GUIs |
| 06:09.58 | wurp2|away | I don't build guis very much |
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| 06:10.05 | wurp2|away | I should maybe try it sometime |
| 06:10.11 | KrisAbsinthe | but trying to get sudo permissions is pissing me off today |
| 06:10.13 | wurp2|away | gambas2, not guis ;-) |
| 06:10.18 | wurp2|away | ? |
| 06:11.19 | KrisAbsinthe | need to execute ifconfig from the app im making , can figure out how to send the damned CR |
| 06:11.40 | KrisAbsinthe | *cant |
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| 06:13.52 | wurp2|away | 'echo -en | yrapp' didn't work? |
| 06:14.27 | wurp2|away | Or you could make the app read from a temp named pipe, then send the pipe whatever you want, if you need to start the app once & interact afterwards |
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| 06:16.19 | wurp2|away | anyone know what the toolbar doohickey in the upper right of the title bar is called, and how to restart it? |
| 06:16.34 | wurp2|away | w/ keyboard, bluetooth, charge, etc icons |
| 06:17.09 | KrisAbsinthe | i wish it worked, the stream is prompting me for the password, i can send whatever password is entered just can get it to hit 'Enter' |
| 06:17.35 | wurp2|away | passwords may be especially yucky |
| 06:17.51 | wurp2|away | I've seen apps that seemed to notice redirected input & reject it |
| 06:17.56 | wurp2|away | presumably for security reasons |
| 06:19.18 | KrisAbsinthe | killall matchbox-panel-2 |
| 06:19.30 | KrisAbsinthe | DISPLAY=:0 matchbox-panel-2 |
| 06:19.34 | KrisAbsinthe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:20.15 | KrisAbsinthe | anyway got to sleep. been coding this 13 hours today |
| 06:31.56 | wurp2|away | KrisAbsinthe: Thanks for matchbox panel reminder |
| 06:32.08 | KrisAbsinthe | np |
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| 07:29.32 | bkruse_home | what is the asound config file for headset and not playbakc? |
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| 07:32.13 | bkruse_home | for some reason the playback is working fine, but the recording is def not |
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| 07:35.44 | justin__ | raster: im useing E17 |
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| 07:38.29 | bkruse_home | ugh I cannot bind to the mic for some reason |
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| 08:03.11 | duffyd | hi, wondering if anyone can help me with a potential bricked OM :( |
| 08:03.36 | duffyd | I followed the instructions here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Nand_erase and entered the nand erase rootfs command, which went ok |
| 08:04.47 | duffyd | but then as the cu command has some funny input 'issues' somehow it started to execute a 'nand erase' |
| 08:05.14 | duffyd | now when I connect to the device via cu, this is constantly scrollinf: |
| 08:05.17 | duffyd | scrolling: |
| 08:05.18 | duffyd | NAND erase: device 0 offset 0x2e4000, size 0x3d1c000 |
| 08:05.19 | duffyd | OK |
| 08:05.19 | duffyd | GTA01Bv4 # <INTERRUPT> |
| 08:05.19 | duffyd | GTA01Bv4 # |
| 08:05.20 | duffyd | NAND erase: device 0 offset 0x2e4000, size 0x3d1c000 |
| 08:05.22 | duffyd | OK |
| 08:05.24 | duffyd | GTA01Bv4 # <INTERRUPT> |
| 08:05.26 | duffyd | GTA01Bv4 # |
| 08:05.29 | duffyd | NAND erase: device 0 offset 0x2e4000, size 0x3d1c000 |
| 08:05.30 | duffyd | OK |
| 08:05.32 | duffyd | GTA01Bv4 # <INTERRUPT> |
| 08:05.35 | duffyd | GTA01Bv4 # |
| 08:05.36 | duffyd | NAND erase: device 0 offset 0x2e4000, size 0x3d1c000 |
| 08:05.38 | duffyd | OK |
| 08:05.40 | duffyd | GTA01Bv4 # <INTERRUPT> |
| 08:05.41 | madwoota | heard of pastebin ? |
| 08:05.42 | duffyd | GTA01Bv4 # |
| 08:05.46 | duffyd | NAND erase: device 0 offset 0x2e4000, size 0x3d1c000 |
| 08:05.49 | duffyd | OK |
| 08:05.50 | duffyd | GTA01Bv4 # <INTERRUPT> |
| 08:05.53 | duffyd | GTA01Bv4 # |
| 08:05.54 | duffyd | NAND erase: device 0 offset 0x2e4000, size 0x3d1c000 |
| 08:05.56 | duffyd | sorry about channel flood |
| 08:05.58 | duffyd | is this bad? |
| 08:06.01 | duffyd | madwoota: yes didn't know where the OM official one was |
| 08:06.03 | duffyd | should've used my backup one, though ;) |
| 08:06.32 | duffyd | I'm too scared to reboot the OM incase it doesn't boot any longer |
| 08:06.44 | duffyd | can anyone tell me if this error message is bad or not? |
| 08:07.40 | duffyd | put it this way, my uboot menu doesn't respond anymore |
| 08:08.03 | duffyd | actually, it does, just tried the aux button again :) |
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| 08:11.54 | duffyd | I may actually be alright ;) |
| 08:12.23 | CVirus | cool .. now we have an iax client for OpenMoko |
| 08:12.52 | duffyd | CVirus: iax? |
| 08:13.19 | CVirus | duffyd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-Asterisk_eXchange |
| 08:13.34 | CVirus | duffyd: it's a VoIP protocol |
| 08:13.39 | CVirus | duffyd: http://bkruse.com/?p=11 |
| 08:13.50 | duffyd | CVirus: thanks :) |
| 08:14.01 | CVirus | no problem :-) |
| 08:26.50 | ljp | zinrip&7 |
| 08:29.01 | duffyd | ljp: just the person I wanted to talk to :). I've just downloaded and 'tried' to install the nov snapshot of qtopia but I can't get it to boot |
| 08:29.17 | duffyd | ljp: I've also tried doing a nand erase on rootfs/kernel with no luck :( |
| 08:29.29 | duffyd | when it boots it says something about can't find magic block |
| 08:29.34 | duffyd | I'll try and reboot it again now |
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| 08:31.04 | wurp2|away | duffyd: Did you 'nand erase' without any other parameters? |
| 08:31.17 | daMaestro | ouch. |
| 08:31.32 | duffyd | wurp2|away: no |
| 08:32.21 | duffyd | wurp2|away: well I don't think so anyway. It did do some weird stuff, mainly related to strange input weirdness but still boots the sdcard image ok |
| 08:32.26 | wurp2|away | From what you say above it looks as if you may have... |
| 08:32.26 | duffyd | and I can get into uboot ok too |
| 08:32.34 | duffyd | oh really |
| 08:32.36 | wurp2|away | cut-n-paste into cu doesn't work |
| 08:32.44 | wurp2|away | Just where you said it said "nand erase"... |
| 08:32.45 | duffyd | wurp2|away: yeah I noticed that |
| 08:32.56 | wurp2|away | But if you can get to uboot menu you are probably OK... |
| 08:33.15 | wurp2|away | Just use "nand erase rootfs" again |
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| 08:33.22 | duffyd | wurp2|away: ok |
| 08:33.33 | wurp2|away | then dfu-util to put on uImage and rootfs |
| 08:33.38 | duffyd | wurp2|away: yeah I thought it would be *bricked* if I had done a nand erase |
| 08:33.42 | duffyd | ok |
| 08:33.43 | duffyd | thanks |
| 08:33.57 | wurp2|away | The images I have tested within the last week haven't had sound |
| 08:34.03 | wurp2|away | So you may want an image older than that |
| 08:34.16 | duffyd | wurp2|away: qtopia images? |
| 08:34.21 | wurp2|away | I fixed sound on mine, but it is probably non-trivial for your brand new one |
| 08:34.24 | wurp2|away | oh, nope :-) |
| 08:34.27 | wurp2|away | openmoko |
| 08:35.02 | duffyd | wurp2|away: cool, when you say sound issues, do you mean when making calls? |
| 08:35.17 | wurp2|away | nah, no sound at all :-) |
| 08:35.20 | wurp2|away | not even sound device |
| 08:35.30 | duffyd | wurp2|away: oh, then mine should be fine as I just heard the startup sound :) |
| 08:35.39 | wurp2|away | it's just a kernel module missing, but I had to get someone to tell me where it was |
| 08:35.50 | wurp2|away | If you got the startup sound, you're definitely OK |
| 08:36.11 | wurp2|away | re: your brick worries |
| 08:36.38 | wurp2|away | ok, must sleep |
| 08:36.46 | wurp2|away | have fun! |
| 08:37.07 | duffyd | wurp2|away: cu |
| 08:38.37 | duffyd | wurp2|away: just realised what I'd done wrong (I did this last time too) just flashed the tgz file! |
| 08:38.45 | duffyd | maybe too tired myself ;) |
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| 08:49.46 | duffyd | ahhh the familiar qtopia screen - how purdy ;) |
| 08:49.52 | duffyd | now I've got dual boot heaven |
| 08:50.29 | duffyd | I have to say, OM is my preferred option at this stage. Mainly cos I run evolution on my desktop and find it easier to copy addressbook/tasks/calendar between desktop/OM |
| 08:50.56 | duffyd | mmm, seems to have hung |
| 08:51.00 | duffyd | on the startup screen |
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| 08:53.08 | mohamed | hi all |
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| 08:54.02 | mohamed | I'm using ubuntu 7.10, and I'm tryin to build openmoko but it stops at task 1775 do-fetch |
| 08:54.02 | duffyd | mohamed: hi |
| 08:54.26 | mohamed | duffyd: can you help me with that? |
| 08:55.13 | duffyd | mohamed: sorry, I've never built OM on my pc :( |
| 08:55.19 | duffyd | just use it on the 'real thing' ;) |
| 08:55.55 | mohamed | duffyd: ok thank you |
| 08:56.11 | mohamed | can any one help me building openmok |
| 08:56.13 | mohamed | ? |
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| 08:56.47 | duffyd | gotta run, night all |
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| 10:03.51 | JViz | is there a way to debug linux apps over jtag? |
| 10:06.17 | JViz | using openocd |
| 10:07.28 | drath_ | JViz: gdbserver is much better for debugging applications |
| 10:08.33 | drath | JViz: JTAG debuggers /can/ be used for debugging applications, but that requires extensive support for a particular linux version (lauterbach does it, afaik) |
| 10:09.24 | JViz | drath: ahhh, ty |
| 10:10.02 | JViz | drath: this seems to be what i've been looking for |
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| 10:20.58 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 10:29.27 | balrog-kun | i believe you can use gdb with jtag to debug apps also |
| 10:32.09 | balrog-kun | at least the most basic stuff |
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| 11:31.13 | mohamed | hi all |
| 11:31.36 | mohamed | I'm using ubuntu 7.10, and I have a problem in building openmoko |
| 11:32.02 | mohamed | task 1775 (do fetch) |
| 11:32.48 | mohamed | the following is shown: |
| 11:32.50 | mohamed | NOTE: fetch http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/git_www.denx.de.git.u-boot.git_0ec595243dc99edcd248bbcfbfd5a1dc860bde89.tar.gz |
| 11:32.51 | mohamed | --13:30:50-- http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/git_www.denx.de.git.u-boot.git_0ec595243dc99edcd248bbcfbfd5a1dc860bde89.tar.gz |
| 11:32.53 | mohamed | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:32.54 | mohamed | Resolving downloads.openmoko.org... 88.198.93.219 |
| 11:32.56 | mohamed | Connecting to downloads.openmoko.org|88.198.93.219|:80... connected. |
| 11:32.57 | mohamed | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found |
| 11:32.59 | mohamed | 13:30:56 ERROR 404: Not Found. |
| 11:33.05 | mohamed | then the connection times out |
| 11:33.10 | mohamed | any help? |
| 11:34.19 | smlsfb | nope, i get the same 404 error |
| 11:34.21 | smlsfb | check your link? |
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| 11:34.39 | smlsfb | maybe new version, file changed? |
| 11:35.02 | DanHerg | Cool Dating Club site ===> new-datingclub eu |
| 11:35.31 | mohamed | smlsfb: so what should I do if the file has changed? |
| 11:35.58 | smlsfb | how did you get the version you're building? |
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| 11:36.44 | mohamed | smlsfb: first I typed make setup then make openmoko-devel-image |
| 11:37.20 | smlsfb | when/where did you download the original package? |
| 11:37.33 | mohamed | smlsfb: but I used an old OE.mtn |
| 11:37.50 | mohamed | smlsfb: the OE.mtn is about two months ago |
| 11:38.05 | mohamed | smlsfb: but the rest are recently downloaded |
| 11:38.10 | smlsfb | did you try a newer version? |
| 11:38.22 | mohamed | smlsfb: no ! |
| 11:38.29 | mohamed | smlsfb: should I? |
| 11:38.49 | smlsfb | first place i'd start |
| 11:40.21 | smlsfb | http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/git_www.denx.de.git.u-boot.git..tar.gz looks kind of old ... march 2007 |
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| 11:41.27 | mohamed | smlsfb: so? |
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| 11:46.03 | mohamed | smlsfb: does this mean that I don't need to update my copy? |
| 11:47.23 | smlsfb | it seems like development is moving pretty fast, so i'd say yes |
| 11:49.37 | cesarb | when I was about to answer, he leaves... |
| 11:49.58 | cesarb | (the answer is "don't worry about the 404, it will next try getting via the git protocol as the fallback") |
| 11:50.21 | smlsfb | haha |
| 11:50.36 | smlsfb | no one else answered, so i figured i'd throw some advice out |
| 11:50.48 | cesarb | (and "make update updates the OE.mtn to the latest revision") |
| 11:50.57 | smlsfb | haven't actually done what he's trying to do, even |
| 11:51.04 | cesarb | smlsfb: way too many lurkers around here |
| 11:51.19 | cesarb | smlsfb: you sometimes ask a question and the answer comes back more than a half day later :D |
| 11:51.19 | smlsfb | heh, i'm one of them at the moment |
| 11:53.22 | smlsfb | i actually only use irc when i'm working midnights ... so i'm online but away 90% of the time |
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| 12:23.03 | PBeck | hi |
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| 14:58.08 | CM | ScaredyCat: Hey there :) |
| 14:58.14 | CM | What are you working on? |
| 14:58.16 | ScaredyCat | hey CM |
| 14:58.31 | ScaredyCat | I'm working on going insane atm |
| 14:58.35 | CM | Hehe |
| 14:59.01 | CM | I'm trying to catch up.. Damn, moving, new job, gf.. Steals insane amounts of time |
| 14:59.13 | CM | Also having to be social with all friends in this town ;) |
| 14:59.15 | ScaredyCat | I design somehting in glade, cut out the c stuff, and unglade it... then drop it into my lil app and the layout is just fecked up |
| 14:59.33 | ScaredyCat | CM: well I have no life, so a lot of time.. :P |
| 14:59.51 | ScaredyCat | gkt layout is just balls |
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| 15:00.25 | CM | Hehe |
| 15:00.37 | CM | Hmm.. I think it was quite ok, but it was a while since I used it |
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| 15:01.12 | ScaredyCat | mayby there's something obvious I'm missing... it looks ok in glade... |
| 15:01.39 | ScaredyCat | asically I create a table 5 x 7 |
| 15:02.31 | ScaredyCat | then I put my label in, spanning 3x3 and then a button spanning 3x1 |
| 15:02.57 | ScaredyCat | in glade it looks ok, when I compile it it just looks like gtk is ignoreing the spanning |
| 15:03.16 | CM | Strange |
| 15:03.38 | ScaredyCat | i donlt know if it's just an incompatability or somehting |
| 15:03.46 | ScaredyCat | or if I'm just a retard |
| 15:04.10 | CM | That's a trick question because of the "or".. :P |
| 15:04.28 | ScaredyCat | hhehe so true |
| 15:04.35 | CM | Hmm.. Should be some gtk-gurus around here though |
| 15:04.41 | CM | Someone ought to know :) |
| 15:04.44 | ScaredyCat | I'm so backward, I'm forward |
| 15:04.50 | CM | Hehe |
| 15:05.23 | ScaredyCat | mickeyl is still zzzzing apparently |
| 15:05.41 | Spida | when are the devices with wifi expected? |
| 15:05.54 | CM | This spring |
| 15:08.30 | CM | Hmm.. python-edbus_cvs.bb seems to be broken still |
| 15:11.19 | ScaredyCat | something got screwed up and my build was stuffing qtopia in too |
| 15:11.26 | Vegar | haha |
| 15:12.40 | ScaredyCat | well, that's fine.. |
| 15:12.58 | ScaredyCat | the only issue is when you try to flash it and it's too big (just) |
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| 15:20.58 | torpor | yo |
| 15:21.00 | torpor | whats up folks? |
| 15:21.05 | torpor | <-- loving his new eeepc |
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| 15:21.15 | Placid | heh |
| 15:24.18 | ahven | my money was on eee also, but then Neo1973 & FreeRunner came |
| 15:24.32 | ahven | seems more a nicer investment |
| 15:25.17 | cesarb | This serial driver is annoying me |
| 15:25.30 | Vegar | cesarb: still the gsm issue? |
| 15:25.36 | cesarb | So, I now have to code up a way to tell the cpufreq core which frequencies it can use |
| 15:25.38 | SpeedEvil | It's working, and you can't work out why? |
| 15:26.28 | cesarb | But to do that, I have to code up a "what if" thing in the serial driver so I can ask it "if the pclk was 12000000 and the hclk was 12000000 and the fclk was 12000000, would it be within the tolerances?" |
| 15:26.40 | cesarb | But that part of the code is a mess |
| 15:27.17 | SpeedEvil | what about an alternative hack |
| 15:27.26 | cesarb | It has four implementations for four variants, each one calling directly the serial chip to find its current status and then directly asking the clock code for the frequency |
| 15:27.35 | SpeedEvil | a way to ask 'can you set this speed at this pckl' from userspace |
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| 15:27.52 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: ? |
| 15:27.59 | torpor | ahven: i have both eee and neo .. i like 'em bot. i'll like the neo more when its all working, and i can use it with the eeepc .. |
| 15:28.00 | SpeedEvil | And then a user-configurable list of speeds that it can use |
| 15:28.14 | SpeedEvil | I basically mean 'push the problem into userspace'. |
| 15:28.42 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: I think pushing this into userspace is just going to turn into an even bigger mess |
| 15:28.47 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 15:29.05 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: I wish I could say you're wrong. |
| 15:29.06 | Vegar | did you find a solution to the gsm bit rate problem, or did you decide to drop 12MHz? |
| 15:29.29 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: I was trying to be non-invasive, but it looks like I'm going to have to add a new method to the ops "vtable" and implement it for each chip |
| 15:30.31 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: you mean basically instead of one beautiful 'vary clock speed' module, you have it with nasty per-chip callbacks to the other drivers? |
| 15:30.46 | cesarb | Vegar: I decided to use a policy notifier to automagically allow each driver to tell which minimum speed it can use (via a cool iterator-like thingy which allows me to in fact have the driver say "here's a function where you give me the clocks and I tell if it will work" and the code will scan the table and ask the callback and do the math) |
| 15:31.11 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: wait a bit, let me push to repo so you can see |
| 15:31.46 | Vegar | sounds nice |
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| 15:33.15 | cesarb | http://repo.or.cz/w/linux-2.6/s3c2410-cpufreq.git?a=commitdiff;h=fba7ed1177e17f8b40069cd55251fe8b2f4e4eee <- this one is the helper code which would allow me to do the trick |
| 15:33.28 | cesarb | http://repo.or.cz/w/linux-2.6/s3c2410-cpufreq.git?a=commitdiff;h=fefd3fe54b4df6087ef354260c12fc7e1416563d <- this one is where I am in the serial driver |
| 15:34.01 | cesarb | I have to write s3c2410_serial_cpufreq_policy_adjust_cb which receives the clocks and returns "true" or "false". Sounds easy, doesn't it? ;-) |
| 15:34.57 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 15:35.09 | SpeedEvil | It's easy to do dumbly |
| 15:35.39 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: any answer on the related issue - can GSM go slow? |
| 15:36.00 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: as far I as tried, it doesn't seem so |
| 15:36.43 | SpeedEvil | Actually. |
| 15:36.48 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: the fact that after I forced everything to 57600 just reloading gsmd at 115200 made it work without any rebooting or magic echos make it sound like it's somehow hardcoded |
| 15:37.41 | SpeedEvil | The GPS chip itself should fix this - but only if you restart it - as it autobauds, so even if you're a bit out, it should be OK. |
| 15:38.13 | SpeedEvil | But, as there is no way to tell the GPS code this, and as it uses lots of CPU, ... |
| 15:38.21 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: the problem is that the serial driver is a mess (it's a multi-chip driver; about 2/3 down it starts a nasty mess of #ifdefs and separate functions for each variant) |
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| 15:40.29 | cesarb | I _could_ do some nasty S3C2410A-only thingy, but then GTA02 comes with its S3C2442B which seems to have the nastiest variant of them in the driver (some crazy variable fclk divider) |
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| 15:43.27 | Vegar | what's the lowest speed the 2442 runs at? |
| 15:44.48 | cesarb | Vegar: if it has SLOW (and it probably has), probably 1/14 of the external crystal (if it's the same crystal as the GTA01, this means less than 1MHz) |
| 15:45.12 | Vegar | interesting |
| 15:45.15 | cesarb | Vegar: of course, probably half of the cores in the chip will go nuts at such low speed |
| 15:45.34 | cesarb | Vegar: much like what we're seeing with GTA01 (too slow for the serial, too slow for USB...) |
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| 15:50.28 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: have you in fact checked that if you bring up the USB core at 12MHZ PCLK - not try to vary it that low - that it doesn't work? |
| 15:51.10 | SpeedEvil | Clearly serial has issues, but we know that from the datasheet, USB only says 'may' be unstable |
| 15:51.33 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: didn't even try. Actually, I tried some days ago changing from 266000 to 202x00 with the USB plugged, and it misbehaved, so it might be the transitions mess it up too |
| 15:51.48 | SpeedEvil | K |
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| 15:52.28 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: that unstability is probably the USB core state machine getting confused when the cpu core is too slow to reply (which perhaps is the same reason it misbehaved when being used during a transition) |
| 15:52.37 | SpeedEvil | yes, probably. |
| 15:52.55 | SpeedEvil | But xms at 0Hz is different from 12Mhz |
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| 15:54.36 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: anyway, with this new code the usb driver should be the one to decide which range of frequencies it want to use (so it could even switch the CPU to full speed when the USB is plugged in, if we can detect that before the USB device core is enabled - wouldn't that be really cool?) |
| 15:54.58 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 16:10.45 | KrisAbsinthe | is there any real difference with the u-boot 1.3.1 vs the 1.3.0 |
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| 16:20.22 | CM | If you have a version that works, I doubt there's any point in updating it |
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| 16:22.41 | KrisAbsinthe | thats what i figured. the update to 1.3.0 was good, probably wait until 1.4.0 |
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| 16:29.14 | KrisAbsinthe | hey the latest unstable snapshot is pretty good, finally SMS; cant test it though lol at least the app is working |
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| 16:33.49 | zilux | is there a way for identifying an openmoko rootfs atm? |
| 16:33.58 | zilux | no /etc/lsb-release here |
| 16:34.15 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe: once the fundamental problems (gsmd not working, sound not working, battery issues, etc) are solved, I'd expect other things to fall in place rather quickly |
| 16:34.24 | cesarb | zilux: LSB??? |
| 16:34.56 | cesarb | zilux: why would you want LSB on a _phone_? |
| 16:35.02 | KrisAbsinthe | cesarb: I agree |
| 16:35.56 | zilux | a rootfs normalization is not bad |
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| 16:38.35 | cesarb | zilux: isn't FHS enough for that? |
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| 16:39.44 | zilux | yes, I thought to this. |
| 16:39.46 | blckdove | do we have midleware for bluez in neo? I mean something in d-bus for apps to use for pairing and controlling bt? |
| 16:39.49 | zilux | the original question is |
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| 16:40.01 | zilux | about identifying the rootfs :-) |
| 16:46.22 | zilux | about lsb-release: |
| 16:46.25 | zilux | http://packages.debian.org/en/sid/lsb-release |
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| 16:48.54 | cesarb | Division by zero in kernel. <- aaaarrrrgggghhhh |
| 16:49.14 | cesarb | THAT's why I always test on qemu first |
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| 16:50.40 | Vegar | haha, nice |
| 16:52.26 | cesarb | *sigh* And the worst is that I had already thought about that case, and simply forgot it. |
| 16:52.52 | cesarb | Before the baud rate is set, ->baud is obviously zero! |
| 16:54.51 | Vegar | zilux: you have /etc/angstrom-version and /etc/version |
| 16:55.04 | zilux | Vegar: thanks |
| 16:55.22 | ScaredyCat | hrrmmm |
| 16:55.22 | Vegar | I'm not sure how correct they are though |
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| 16:56.08 | zilux | not present in my home built image :-/ |
| 16:56.37 | Vegar | well, the numbers were not what you were looking for |
| 16:58.45 | balrog-kun | what's the absolutely easiest way to convert a NMEA log to a .gpx trace? |
| 16:59.20 | cesarb | balrog-kun: there's a converter app for gps traces which can convert from almost anything to almost anything, or so I've read |
| 16:59.28 | cesarb | balrog-kun: I think I saw it somewhere in the OSM site |
| 16:59.48 | cesarb | balrog-kun: using it, if it does that, would probably be the easiest way |
| 17:00.01 | balrog-kun | cesarb: thanks, gonna have a look at the site |
| 17:00.38 | balrog-kun | portage only found "josm" when asked about osm |
| 17:01.11 | cesarb | balrog-kun: I don't think it's a OSM app, only that I recall seeing a link to it on the OSM website |
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| 17:03.29 | cesarb | Urgh, great, when you think you've done it |
| 17:03.52 | balrog-kun | cesarb: was it called Potlatch? |
| 17:04.05 | cesarb | balrog-kun: don't remember |
| 17:04.16 | balrog-kun | okays |
| 17:04.43 | cesarb | So the code I wrote searches the frequency table downwards, looking for the first frequency where it should have a problem, and treats it as the minimum |
| 17:04.45 | cesarb | And then I get |
| 17:05.10 | cesarb | 170000 - 266000 kHz |
| 17:05.13 | cesarb | AAARRRGGGHHH |
| 17:05.38 | balrog-kun | gpsbabel may be what i'm looking for... |
| 17:05.57 | cesarb | the next step is 158000, and it gets 2.04%, which is MORE than the 1.87% limit I'm using! |
| 17:06.19 | cesarb | someone remind me WHY do we STILL use RS232 and similars |
| 17:07.00 | mwester | cesarb: do we know for certain that the external clock is *not* wired to something in the GTA01? (Is roh about?) |
| 17:07.30 | cesarb | mwester: I do know for certain that the gta01-core patch I'm using does not enable uclk on the serial, which implies it's simply not there |
| 17:07.50 | cesarb | mwester: and what would it be wired to? 12MHz, which is one of these which fail? |
| 17:08.11 | mwester | The manual notes the limitations of the UART and the built-in clock rather prominently, perhaps when designed someone took the trouble to wire it, but the software doesn't reflect same (or am I being too much of an optimist?) |
| 17:08.41 | mwester | Don't we have a 25 or 33 MHz clock about on the board somewhere? |
| 17:08.42 | cesarb | mwester: you are being too much of an optimist IMNSHO... |
| 17:08.57 | zilux | Vegar: a bus error prevented me to get the files. /etc/version and angstrom-version are there. thanks for the info! |
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| 17:09.32 | cesarb | mwester: we have a 32.768kHz one for the RTC, an unknown value one for the modem, a probably 12MHz for the bluetooth... |
| 17:10.29 | balrog-kun | is it something that woudl be obvious from the schematics? |
| 17:10.35 | mwester | It would seem that unless the GSM can autospeed to something else (which doesn't seem to be working), or there's a better external clock, wwe have problems... |
| 17:10.45 | mwester | balrog-kun: Yes, it should be on the schematics. |
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| 17:10.59 | cesarb | mwester: we can always comment-out the problematic speeds ;-) |
| 17:11.20 | balrog-kun | then i can look it up but i need to know what i'm looking for exactly |
| 17:11.21 | mwester | But that's pretty much all of the speeds isn't it? |
| 17:12.06 | cesarb | mwester: we already have 6 speeds working at the top of the range, some others a bit below it worked fine too... and it's quite possible that my calculation is very conservative |
| 17:13.19 | cesarb | balrog-kun: yes, it's very visible in the schematics, just check what's on pin UEXTCLK |
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| 17:13.35 | mwester | balrog-kun: We need to know what's on the pin labeled "UEXTCLK/GPH8" |
| 17:14.04 | mwester | (L16 on the FBGA physically...) |
| 17:14.55 | cesarb | mwester: PMU PWROK |
| 17:14.57 | balrog-kun | cesarb: seems to be labelled PWR_OKm active high |
| 17:15.04 | cesarb | trunk/doc/hardware/GTA01Bv4/gpio.txt |
| 17:15.10 | mwester | Crud. |
| 17:15.15 | cesarb | lol |
| 17:15.50 | balrog-kun | doesn't look like a clk signal |
| 17:16.06 | cesarb | balrog-kun: it isn't, it's the "power ok" signal from the pcf chip |
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| 17:16.29 | mwester | The pin is in GPIO mode instead of a clock. :( |
| 17:16.55 | mwester | Ok, we're stuck with the freq. that work, I guess. |
| 17:17.13 | balrog-kun | there's also EXTCLK which is connected to IO_3V3 heh |
| 17:17.33 | mwester | cesarb: Does suspend/resume work for you with the serial driver, or are you just working the clock part? |
| 17:17.57 | cesarb | mwester: just the cpufreq part, and not only the serial (I'm just a bit stuck on it) |
| 17:18.24 | cesarb | mwester: in fact, I want to AVOID having to suspend! |
| 17:18.27 | mwester | Ok. I'm messing with the serial driver (again). It's a real tangled mess. |
| 17:18.45 | cesarb | mwester: agree with you on that :P |
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| 17:20.09 | mwester | And the manual is rather incomplete. For example, it doesn't tell you what happens if you disable Auto Flow Control while there's data in the FIFO. And it would be really nice to know what happens to the data in the FIFO if you disable the FIFO -- is it lost, or does it clear out? |
| 17:21.39 | cesarb | mwester: I have some cute code to flush the outgoing fifo (and make the other side stop filling the incoming fifo) on my repository |
| 17:22.14 | mwester | Cool. Then I don't have to write any. (I was hoping we wouldn't have to write any, however...) |
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| 17:22.55 | cesarb | mwester: actually, it doesn't drain the incoming fifo, only the outgoing one, it just makes the other side stop filling the incoming fifo ;-) |
| 17:23.11 | cesarb | mwester: http://repo.or.cz/w/linux-2.6/s3c2410-cpufreq.git?a=commitdiff;h=46c3a3b57014391cd4746334ebe43886933fc2a9 <- it's the afc_pause/afc_unpause stuff in this diff |
| 17:23.25 | mwester | :) thanks |
| 17:23.42 | cesarb | mwester: and yeah, it's that ugly :( |
| 17:24.44 | cesarb | hm, trying to set max to 158000 shows me there are 5 more usable frequencies, and then it stops again at 113000 |
| 17:25.25 | cesarb | looks like I have to fudge my code to _mark the unusable frequencies_ instead of just changing the min/max |
| 17:25.38 | cesarb | which is something utterly unsupported by the current cpufreq core code |
| 17:25.49 | cesarb | meaning it'll be a very ugly kludge |
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| 17:34.49 | balrog-kun | woooooo the gps in my neo works with my awful hack |
| 17:35.23 | ewon | awful hacks 4tw |
| 17:35.28 | ewon | that's how operating systems are born |
| 17:35.43 | ewon | balrog-kun: you got a lock indoors? |
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| 17:35.57 | ewon | is that with GAT01 or one of the supar-sekrit GTA02s? |
| 17:36.06 | Seb` | hello |
| 17:36.16 | balrog-kun | ewon: apparently, but there's were some kind of windows in the roof of the mall i think |
| 17:36.23 | balrog-kun | ewon: GTA01 |
| 17:36.39 | blckdove | qemu gcc thing sucks! |
| 17:36.47 | ewon | anybody going to SCALE? |
| 17:36.49 | Seb` | french here ? =) |
| 17:37.02 | balrog-kun | ewon: but the best part is i have no chroot rootfs on the phone and no OABI built into the kernel |
| 17:37.15 | mwester | blckdove: Why mess with it? Do you just get stuck building locales, or are you trying to run the neo emulator? |
| 17:37.45 | blckdove | mwester: im trying to build with MokoMakefile.. and that insists of building qemu |
| 17:38.18 | blckdove | gentoo and qemu do not get along |
| 17:38.26 | mwester | blckdove: Add the following line to your bulid/conf/local.conf file: |
| 17:38.29 | mwester | ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" |
| 17:38.38 | blckdove | oh.. oki.. thx |
| 17:39.07 | mwester | Fedora and qemu don't get along either. |
| 17:40.00 | blckdove | i dont mind doing things on the target at this point.. i just whant the bleeding edge system =D |
| 17:40.20 | blckdove | they really should fix qemu on this regard |
| 17:42.57 | blckdove | I am intrested on working with bluetooth at system/midleware level.. some d-bus daemon to provide means for the apps to control/pair/etc bt on neo... anyone working somethign like this? |
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| 17:50.45 | blckdove | mwester: that helped with the qemu thing...thx |
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| 18:00.33 | blckdove | I added few notes to wiki about gentoo and qemu |
| 18:01.52 | zilux | Seb`: salut |
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| 18:06.52 | Kero | mm, recompiling (lib)gsmd, should be newest version. Let's see if we can teach the thing to behave, or even teach it new tricks :) |
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| 18:08.54 | cesarb | mwester: at least I'm not on work's lappy (1024x768 LCD yay!) |
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| 18:09.42 | cesarb | blckdove: I *am* using multiple desktops, for instance this one has Konversation, a Konqueror window at my mokomakefile directory tree, and another Konsole |
| 18:10.21 | Seb` | salut zilux |
| 18:10.22 | Seb` | =) |
| 18:10.22 | mwester | cesarb: Got a new laptop for work last week -- so I went from 1024x768 to 1920x1200 -- my eyes are still adjusting. |
| 18:11.17 | cesarb | blckdove: there's another one with Firefox, another one reserved for Thunderbird, another one for Amarok and another Konqueror, another one with a Konqueror pointed at my neo datasheets tree (and a Kpdf with one of the largest of them open) |
| 18:11.21 | mwester | But it runs vmware *very* nicely, so I can now build openmoko in vmware while I'm travelling. |
| 18:11.40 | cesarb | some of my friends get annoyed at the frightening amount of windows I leave open at the same time :D |
| 18:11.55 | cesarb | mwester: cool, but why not build it native? ;-) |
| 18:12.55 | mwester | :) Our software runs on Linux as well, so it dual-boots into Fedora. The problem is that the vast majority of the disk space is for Windows, and building on a USB-attached drive doesn't seem smart. |
| 18:13.18 | Kero | resize the partitions :) |
| 18:13.28 | balrog-kun | cesarb: it's probably faster in vmware than native :) |
| 18:13.34 | Seb` | hello, it's possible to make for openmoko charg other USB method (sorry for my langage, i'm french :o) |
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| 18:14.15 | mwester | BTW, does dfu-util run in vmware? |
| 18:14.31 | philippe | Seb`: You want to charge through something else than USB? |
| 18:14.48 | cesarb | mwester: good question. I think there was a discussion about that several months ago; I don't recall the outcoming |
| 18:14.57 | cesarb | s/outcoming/result/ |
| 18:15.07 | mwester | That might force the issue; I'll have to test that right soon. |
| 18:15.09 | Seb` | yes philippe |
| 18:15.35 | Seb` | because, my laptop don't follow me |
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| 18:16.27 | philippe | Seb`: well there is no other connector. But there are wall-plugs or adaptors (and one should be delivered with the Neo) that look like a normal charger, but have space for the usb plug |
| 18:16.48 | philippe | Seb`: so no need for an PC or laptop to charge the Neo |
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| 18:18.01 | zilux | Seb`: I use this: http://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00027696.html |
| 18:18.13 | Seb` | thanks |
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| 18:25.49 | zilux | ScaredyCat: have you audio back? |
| 18:26.01 | ScaredyCat | I do |
| 18:26.23 | zilux | what was the issue? |
| 18:26.24 | Seb` | http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=101 |
| 18:26.25 | Seb` | and ? |
| 18:26.32 | ScaredyCat | something odd .. but I'd cleaned out and rebuilt (just uploading) |
| 18:26.50 | zilux | yesterday I suddenly lose audio too :-/ |
| 18:27.15 | ScaredyCat | basically the wm8753 kernel modules wouldn;t load |
| 18:27.25 | ScaredyCat | but they were from the right build |
| 18:27.51 | ScaredyCat | copying them from the modules tarball from the same build cured it.. |
| 18:27.53 | zilux | ok thanks |
| 18:28.13 | ScaredyCat | but I've cleaered it all out and rebuilt since, so new builds are fine |
| 18:28.30 | ScaredyCat | not sure about the original cause.. |
| 18:29.01 | zilux | the size of the rootfs was ok? |
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| 18:30.33 | ScaredyCat | that was a different issue... |
| 18:30.41 | ScaredyCat | it was adding in qtopia too! |
| 18:31.13 | ScaredyCat | are you getting issues flashing it ? |
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| 18:32.03 | zilux | in fact, here mokomakefile built image |
| 18:32.06 | blckdove | I need to run out to get prepaid card for neo... tired of switching sim card over 2 phones =D |
| 18:32.18 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/scaredycat-openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01.jffs2 |
| 18:32.26 | ScaredyCat | is a working one |
| 18:33.23 | zilux | ok thanks |
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| 18:35.26 | bkruse | does openmoko have QT support? |
| 18:35.29 | bkruse | Random question |
| 18:36.05 | pmw | Considering this is the openmoko channel, your question is hardly random. |
| 18:36.28 | bkruse | pmw: Very, very true |
| 18:36.49 | bkruse | Some people are interested in me porting a qt app, but I am not sure there is any development efforts in that arena |
| 18:37.08 | ScaredyCat | om uses gtk... |
| 18:37.50 | bkruse | ScaredyCat: I know, but I was wondering if there are qt headways in progress |
| 18:37.58 | bkruse | I am sure your box uses gtk but can also run qt apps... |
| 18:38.18 | Vegar | bkruse: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Why_Not_QT |
| 18:38.19 | jku | bkruse, that does not make sense in a mobile device |
| 18:38.21 | bkruse | Of course, OM has specialized gtk widgets, that is all I needed to know ScaredyCat, thanks :] |
| 18:38.27 | ScaredyCat | yeah, but I have 120gb hdd |
| 18:38.32 | ScaredyCat | (and I use kde) |
| 18:38.33 | bkruse | jku: totally agreed |
| 18:38.35 | bkruse | ScaredyCat: agreed |
| 18:38.45 | Vegar | bkruse: read that wiki article |
| 18:39.22 | bkruse | done, thanks guys |
| 18:40.03 | bkruse | I am thinking of porting pidgin, what do you guys think? |
| 18:40.09 | bkruse | I want to add some voip stuff to it anyways... |
| 18:40.57 | jku | bkruse, using libpurple is a good idea, but I doubt the UI is very portable |
| 18:41.05 | Kero | Stephmw: "bouncing baby"? |
| 18:41.52 | bkruse | jku: You might be right...libpurple is a good idea |
| 18:42.10 | bkruse | I wonder. I would be interested just to see what it would look like with the moko gtk widgets |
| 18:42.23 | bkruse | If they just used widgets and did not hardcode values...hmm |
| 18:42.58 | Stephmw | Kero: I had my name put as a co-inventor on a software patent... I did try to get them to drop the silly notion. The damn thing was granted dec 27 |
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| 18:44.59 | Kero | that's how these things go, esp when someone needs to reach a target before the end of the year :( |
| 18:45.00 | Mammux | Anyone know where openmoko-messages stores the SMSes that it has read? |
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| 18:45.48 | Stephmw | Kero: EU and WO... no US thankfully - I seem to have problems with my spamfolder eating their requests |
| 18:46.18 | Kero | no US? usually easier to get the patent there... |
| 18:46.53 | Stephmw | EU company, so that's where they started |
| 18:47.00 | bkruse | Mammux: it shouldnt be that hard to find in the code |
| 18:47.03 | Kero | (and let nobody be fooled that sw patents would not be possible in EU, there's about 10k of them) |
| 18:47.17 | Stephmw | I'd estimate them more at 40-50k |
| 18:47.27 | Stephmw | they're just _currently_ unenforceable |
| 18:47.39 | Kero | growing fast... |
| 18:47.47 | Stephmw | aye |
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| 18:56.15 | Mammux | The openmoko-messages refers to PKGDATADIR/folderlist, PKGDATADIR/GetMail.png and lots of other things, but I can't find any of those files on my neo with find. |
| 18:56.42 | Mammux | And I received an SMS that makes openmoko-messages crash every time I start it .. |
| 18:56.47 | bkruse | find / -name "folderlist" |
| 18:57.07 | Kero | libgsmd-tools crashes when it tries to read SMS, too. |
| 18:57.56 | Kero | so is openmoko-messages reported to read *some* SMS, at least? |
| 18:58.01 | Mammux | yes, in the shell mode. In the sms mode I just get a cms error that my index is illegal when I try to list all sms-es. |
| 18:58.17 | Kero | wow, that depends on mode? puny. |
| 18:59.11 | Kero | (and it has an sms-mode? since when?) |
| 18:59.55 | Mammux | (I meant at command mode) |
| 19:00.05 | Kero | (ok) |
| 19:00.19 | Mammux | I got the popup on the home screen that says '2 new messages' |
| 19:00.44 | Mammux | and yes, bkruse, that's the find command that finds nothing |
| 19:02.01 | Vegar | aren't they stored in that database? |
| 19:03.04 | Vegar | evolution data server, or is that contacts only? |
| 19:04.32 | Mammux | Quite possibly. Is there another way to get at that? |
| 19:04.47 | Seb` | my sd card it's no find by neo... |
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| 19:12.16 | Kero | cesarb: comment-smell :) |
| 19:13.08 | Kero | things can be subtle. but given what you were doing today... |
| 19:13.09 | KrisAbsinthe | YAY, stupid source code made me work for results |
| 19:14.42 | Kero | may be some form of NOTE gets abused |
| 19:14.57 | cesarb | btw: the first hit on google code search for "this is subtle" is the infamous Mork code :D |
| 19:15.06 | CVirus | Will I ever be able to sync my Neo1973's to-list with KDE ? |
| 19:16.33 | KrisAbsinthe | Thats what im working on |
| 19:16.59 | CVirus | KrisAbsinthe: have you got a page ? |
| 19:18.09 | KrisAbsinthe | no, just started coding 2 days ago, its called MokoManager. ill add a release in a day or two, so for it can configure host PC and upload/backup firmware images |
| 19:18.55 | KrisAbsinthe | working on the network side of things right now, ill start the PIM sync stuff soon |
| 19:19.56 | CVirus | KrisAbsinthe: what language ? |
| 19:20.30 | KrisAbsinthe | using a basic derivative coupled with some shell scripts for customization |
| 19:20.50 | CVirus | basic derivative ? |
| 19:21.11 | ScaredyCat | vb vb he's useing vb |
| 19:21.13 | ScaredyCat | :P |
| 19:21.14 | KrisAbsinthe | its called Gambas like VB for linux. its a decent RAD |
| 19:21.25 | ScaredyCat | Prawns |
| 19:21.28 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: wow, you DID guess it right :P |
| 19:21.34 | KrisAbsinthe | lol |
| 19:21.42 | KrisAbsinthe | good for RAD |
| 19:21.54 | CVirus | hmm |
| 19:22.05 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe: you know, people usually don't admit ever touching VB ;-) |
| 19:22.28 | KrisAbsinthe | i learned it like 12 years ago |
| 19:22.30 | ScaredyCat | the ide looks ok |
| 19:23.12 | KrisAbsinthe | its not bad. i like the tool kit portability, I will be able to switch from QT to GTK real easy |
| 19:27.53 | ScaredyCat | nowt wrong with that... |
| 19:28.17 | cesarb | (in fact, it went like QBasic->Turbo Pascal->DJGPP, and I already forgot everything about basic and pascal, except that pointers in pascal are ^ not *) |
| 19:28.17 | KrisAbsinthe | QBasic was great, i liked the game with the Purple apes lol |
| 19:28.18 | jku | what's the trick with usb networking and gta01? |
| 19:28.47 | KrisAbsinthe | jku: what do you need to do, route to the internet? |
| 19:28.49 | jku | I've had usb networking functioning fine, but getting it going again is just voodoo |
| 19:29.19 | jku | when I try to bring the usb interface up on my laptop, I get: |
| 19:29.27 | jku | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 19:29.32 | cesarb | jku: well, I have some udev rules, and a configuration on /etc/network/interfaces I made long ago, so I only have to do "sudo ifdown usb0; sudo ifup usb0" and it works |
| 19:29.43 | jku | cesarb, me too |
| 19:29.54 | jku | when it works, it works fabulously |
| 19:30.06 | drath | nothing wrong with basic as long as you're in primary school ;) |
| 19:30.14 | cesarb | jku: "when it works, it works fabulously" <- isn't it how EVERYTHING is on moko-land? |
| 19:30.18 | KrisAbsinthe | ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.202 up is what you did? |
| 19:30.32 | jku | cesarb, hah! |
| 19:30.33 | mmontour | jku: check that you have the cdc_ether and usbnet modules |
| 19:30.48 | jku | mmontour, I do |
| 19:31.34 | cesarb | I think I still have my old logo programs printed out in fanfold somewhere buried below the old hardware peripherals |
| 19:31.43 | drath | heh, never got to LOGO - when i first wanted a computer my parents found the C64 a lot cheaper at a discounter |
| 19:32.17 | jku | KrisAbsinthe, 192.168.0.200 is what I use for the laptop, but otherwise yes |
| 19:32.41 | jku | should I see something in host logs when I plug the phone to usb? |
| 19:32.47 | KrisAbsinthe | ah, thought you meant on the neo's side |
| 19:32.59 | KrisAbsinthe | check dmesg after jacking in |
| 19:33.06 | jku | KrisAbsinthe, right, I was unclear |
| 19:33.09 | cesarb | jku: yes, on the kernel log, and possibly some hal/dbus noise |
| 19:33.22 | KrisAbsinthe | it does sound like the cdc_ether or usb_net module is not loading |
| 19:33.24 | cesarb | usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:10.2-1, CDC Ethernet Device, b2:07:73:1b:c5:73 |
| 19:35.11 | jku | that's the problem then, I see nothing in logs when I plug the usb in |
| 19:36.00 | cesarb | jku: not even the "usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 64" or something like that? |
| 19:36.12 | jku | cesarb, nothing |
| 19:36.21 | cesarb | if you don't see even the "new full speed USB device" part, your cable or port is hosed (most probably the cable) |
| 19:36.37 | cesarb | (or, perhaps, you got a buggy kernel which doesn't enable USB correctly ;-) ) |
| 19:36.44 | cesarb | (on the neo I mean) |
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| 19:37.32 | jku | cesarb, I'm thinking neo is fine -- I had usb networking going for days, but had to disconnect today... |
| 19:37.58 | jku | cable could be the problem, or the usb port in either end |
| 19:38.42 | jku | now i got it |
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| 19:39.08 | cesarb | jku: I say cable because the cable I use (my rusty old Zire 72 cable) is a bit wonky (due to being hanged in odd positions for a long time while connecting the Zire to the computer) |
| 19:39.19 | cesarb | jku: I have to avoid twisting it too much |
| 19:39.19 | jku | luck or usb problem, but after removing all other devices the neo becomes visible |
| 19:40.01 | cesarb | jku: if the other devices are on a unpowered hub, it could be usb power problems (either you are using too much power, or worse you are using too much power and not letting the kernel know) |
| 19:40.31 | KrisAbsinthe | jku: whats your distro |
| 19:40.43 | jku | in the first case I should see a message in logs at least |
| 19:40.51 | jku | ubuntu 7.10 |
| 19:41.01 | KrisAbsinthe | thats what im running |
| 19:42.17 | jku | but yeah, it's definitely a laptop-usb problem. now my usb keyboard isn't connecting ;( |
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| 19:42.40 | KrisAbsinthe | well on the bright side, its not the neo |
| 19:42.57 | jku | KrisAbsinthe, exactly! |
| 19:43.03 | jku | wohoo |
| 19:43.18 | cesarb | jku: I would apply the Windows problem-solving method to that |
| 19:43.31 | cesarb | jku: reboot ;-) (with a full power cycle, including taking the battery off) |
| 19:43.32 | ScaredyCat | install a different os? |
| 19:43.45 | KrisAbsinthe | lol |
| 19:43.59 | KrisAbsinthe | give debian a shot, i like it best |
| 19:44.32 | jku | in windows world solution is always rebooting, in linux it's always another distro |
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| 19:45.52 | CoreDump | jku: the folks switching distros to make $SOMETHING work that doesn't work in their current distro are just too lazy to figure out the problem |
| 19:46.17 | jku | same goes for rebooting in Windows of course... |
| 19:46.28 | KrisAbsinthe | unless you switch from redhat. thats just a good move |
| 19:46.39 | Vegar | and it generally doesn't solve the problem, unless you switch from slackware |
| 19:46.48 | CoreDump | lol |
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| 19:47.33 | cesarb | Yay, the code I'm working on seems to work |
| 19:47.34 | jku | but I wouldn't have this problem in slack -- or do they have a kernel with usb support already? |
| 19:49.01 | CoreDump | if the distro kernel is f*cked (which they usually are in some way or another) just build your own vanilla kernel ;) |
| 19:49.32 | KrisAbsinthe | that is the best solution |
| 19:50.49 | Kero | right, got a x86 natively compiled gsmd + libgsmd-tools. Now let's build a little test framework around it :) |
| 19:50.56 | jku | ok, it's definitely a thinkpad problem. One usb port always registers all devices, the other two (on the other side) do not register neo or the keyboard (but do dome others)... weird |
| 19:51.02 | cesarb | Mononoke: http://www.jargon.net/jargonfile/v/vanilla.html |
| 19:51.14 | Kero | or perhaps I should first see how mature this particular version is, by copying the arm version onto the Neo... |
| 19:51.52 | Mononoke | cesarb: heh thx |
| 19:52.09 | Mammux | Hehe the openmoko-messages source I was looking at was outdated. So outdated it had a static set of demo messages in a .h file. |
| 19:52.14 | jku | thanks for the hints to log files |
| 20:00.11 | SpeedEvil | Wjat were those - the display? |
| 20:00.44 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: the debug output of the PCF chip driver |
| 20:00.55 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 20:01.05 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: which was printed to the dmesg to the tune of 4-5 lines per second |
| 20:02.36 | cesarb | making it harder to see MY dmesg spam, cpufreq.debug=7 cpufreq.debug_ratelimit=0 ;-) |
| 20:02.40 | cesarb | I'm abusing the API and doing subtle things; I need the debug output! |
| 20:04.50 | Mammux | Ref. the SMS-es that I couldn't find. They are in: /home/root/.evolution/memos/local/system |
| 20:05.48 | cesarb | We have a multi-user system capable of billions of different user IDs, and it has to use "root" for everything? |
| 20:09.52 | cesarb | IT WORKS! (on qemu at least, now let's see on real hardware) |
| 20:11.36 | cesarb | Mononoke: that's nothing |
| 20:13.16 | cesarb | Mononoke: <slashdot>Imagine a Beowulf cluste of these!</slashdot> |
| 20:13.16 | cesarb | s/cluste/cluster/ |
| 20:13.18 | Mononoke | well I don't see why or how, maybe in some company you could have company mobile phones and each time you take one you just login, it might be good for accounting |
| 20:14.08 | Kero | what are the gsmd_plugin_ ipkgs ? |
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| 20:17.25 | ScaredyCat | cesarb: put your neo inside a plastic bag first |
| 20:18.00 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: ? |
| 20:18.09 | cesarb | *evil laugh* IT WORKS! |
| 20:18.23 | ScaredyCat | so when the smoke escapes you will have it all |
| 20:18.32 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: ... |
| 20:18.39 | ScaredyCat | smoke... |
| 20:18.39 | cesarb | brb, dinner |
| 20:18.47 | ScaredyCat | it;s what makes electronics wokr |
| 20:18.50 | ScaredyCat | work |
| 20:19.04 | ScaredyCat | if you let it out... it breaks |
| 20:20.46 | KrisAbsinthe | thats funny |
| 20:21.01 | ScaredyCat | it's not funny... it;s true.. |
| 20:21.37 | jku | it may be funny when it happens to someone else |
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| 20:24.24 | Mammux | After some more investigation, it turns out that the reason openmoko-messages crashed was some data I had put in the addressbook that worked fine in the addressbook app but crashed the messages app. |
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| 20:29.04 | Kero | Mammux: eh? lousy :) |
| 20:30.31 | cesarb | aaaand... it was all that time running on the "conservative" governor! |
| 20:30.49 | cesarb | and gsmd didn't die |
| 20:31.08 | cesarb | now, to find out how to use this "freq stats" thingy... |
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| 20:40.21 | cesarb | odd, the "stats" dir should be there. ah well. |
| 20:47.06 | cesarb | heh, "ondemand" is interesting, if it weren't for the flicker due to the missing LCD driver it wouldn't be possible to even feel the difference |
| 20:47.28 | SpeedEvil | Wooh! |
| 20:47.31 | Vegar | ondemand is a bit aggressive |
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| 20:47.38 | SpeedEvil | you do know about the hack? |
| 20:47.54 | Vegar | cesarb: 2.6.24 is reported to run on the GTA01 btw. |
| 20:49.34 | cesarb | Vegar: yeah, already saw that |
| 20:50.01 | cesarb | Vegar: but I'm not adding an unknown (2.6.24 is much less tested) to my testing right now |
| 20:50.07 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: hack? |
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| 20:52.23 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: I mean fbset -pixclock |
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| 20:53.07 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: that wouldn't do, since fbset cannot know the frequency is changing (and it changes several times per second!) |
| 20:53.13 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 20:54.19 | cesarb | well, now to rebase this thing, merge all the followup patches, and start checking another driver |
| 20:55.33 | cesarb | WOAH |
| 20:56.00 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 20:56.04 | cesarb | EXTREMLY bizarre LCM glitch when shutting down |
| 20:56.23 | cesarb | some wierd color-shifting with scrolling bar, and then it became all orange and faded... |
| 20:56.44 | SpeedEvil | 1Hz refresh just looks wierd |
| 20:57.01 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: AH! |
| 20:57.16 | SpeedEvil | fbset -pixclock 3255208 |
| 20:57.18 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: of course, when gsmd is killed, my new code suddenly decides it can now go as far down as 1Hz... |
| 20:57.35 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: that explains it, thanks, it got me worried for a moment :P |
| 20:57.37 | SpeedEvil | Nice! |
| 20:58.04 | cesarb | *note to self: add something on the shutdown script path to change to the performance governor* |
| 20:58.18 | SpeedEvil | naah |
| 20:58.28 | cesarb | s/1Hz/1MHz/ |
| 20:58.32 | SpeedEvil | add something to the LCD driver to add a constraint if the LCD is on |
| 20:58.48 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: just to explore the new constraint code, eh? ;-) |
| 20:59.33 | cesarb | I'll end up having to do that... It was the whl |
| 20:59.49 | cesarb | I'll end up having to do that... It was the whole point of adding a generic policy limits code, after all |
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| 21:09.35 | blckdove | having problems with MokoMake |
| 21:09.38 | blckdove | http://pastebin.ca/875429 |
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| 21:16.18 | blckdove | nevermind... patches dir was missing, added that and copied the patch-... file in there fixed the problem |
| 21:19.09 | mjr | tuning the on-call volume slider a bit down seems to have eliminated most of the annoying echo thing |
| 21:19.14 | mjr | which is nice |
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| 21:23.51 | zash_ | CEE FUN |
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| 23:22.02 | KrisAbsinthe | anyone know what dfu_upload error -62 is |
| 23:26.00 | bmidgley | is it possible to run the gps without filling up the fs with a log? |
| 23:26.20 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe: depends on your architecture. For mine, it's #define ETIME 62 /* Timer expired */ |
| 23:26.32 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe: (guessing that's an errno value, of course) |
| 23:28.02 | KrisAbsinthe | that sounds about right. writing backup code for my app. It did take a while |
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| 23:53.59 | jku | bmidgley, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gllin |