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| 02:21.01 | RayDar | Hey guys. Anything new and nifty on the GTA01? |
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| 02:23.57 | RayDar | re fgau_ |
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| 03:08.35 | poffy | DYNAMIC ENTRY |
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| 03:32.30 | RayDar | talkative |
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| 04:48.19 | RayDar | blah blah blah |
| 04:50.42 | RayDar | ping |
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| 04:56.03 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03werner * r3949 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/config/ (defconfig-2.6.24-rc7 defconfig-2.6.24-rc8): |
| 04:56.03 | CIA-9 | openmoko: Configuring GTA02's UART for low-level messages made GTA01 hang just in that |
| 04:56.03 | CIA-9 | openmoko: low-level code. Also renamed the defconfig file, since we're now using rc8. |
| 04:56.03 | CIA-9 | openmoko: - defconfig-2.6.24-rc7: renamed to defconfig-2.6.24-rc8 |
| 04:56.03 | CIA-9 | openmoko: - defconfig-2.6.24-rc7: set CONFIG_S3C_LOWLEVEL_UART_PORT and |
| 04:56.07 | CIA-9 | openmoko: CONFIG_DEBUG_S3C_UART to 0, so that GTA01 doesn't hang (GTA02 doesn't mind |
| 04:56.09 | CIA-9 | openmoko: either way) |
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| 05:20.16 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03werner * r3950 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 05:20.16 | CIA-9 | openmoko: - config/defconfig-2.6.24-rc8: renamed to defconfig-2.6.24 |
| 05:20.16 | CIA-9 | openmoko: - patches/s3c2410_fb-line_length.patch, series: fix is in upstream, patch |
| 05:20.16 | CIA-9 | openmoko: removed |
| 05:20.58 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03werner * r3951 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/scripts/build: |
| 05:20.58 | CIA-9 | openmoko: - scripts/build: upgraded to KERNEL 2.6.24 and SVN_REV 3950 |
| 05:20.58 | CIA-9 | openmoko: - scripts/build: commented out SVN, KERNEL, and UBOOT_DIR, for they are local |
| 05:20.58 | CIA-9 | openmoko: settings |
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| 06:12.31 | SirBob1701 | is there by chance an open moko vm? |
| 06:15.19 | SpeedEvil | vm? |
| 06:15.25 | SpeedEvil | you can run it under qemu |
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| 06:52.39 | Atul_ | CM, I got this error "unable to handle packet type=2" when I was trying to execute AT commands after executing 4-5 command this error raise any Idea ? |
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| 08:07.25 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:23.31 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 09:15.32 | kinneh | what do you say would this keyboard be possible to use with neo http://www.targus.com/uk/product_details.asp?sku=ACB31UK ? |
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| 09:45.44 | torpor | okay i'm getting an EE PC .. |
| 09:46.24 | TRIsoft | torpor: Is this the cheaper version of the EEE PC ? |
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| 09:48.01 | torpor | no, its the EEE PC without an E .. ;) |
| 09:51.05 | XorA | Es are good, Es are good |
| 09:51.42 | zedstar | lol |
| 09:52.14 | cjb_ie | eben-eben-ezer good? |
| 09:52.37 | rwhitby | Es ebenezer good |
| 09:54.11 | zedstar | remember the video of that with jerry sadowitz |
| 09:54.35 | torpor | man i remember that song but i can never remember the name of that band .. |
| 09:54.57 | zedstar | the shamen |
| 09:55.33 | torpor | right, thanks! |
| 09:59.14 | zedstar | they dont let jerry sadowitz on tv much these days unfortunately |
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| 10:29.13 | hrw | kinneh: should work |
| 10:30.05 | kinneh | nice since i've orderd one already :-) |
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| 11:14.06 | zedstar | that's cool got alerted of new SMS when i booted my Neo after an update |
| 11:14.37 | mjr | oo |
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| 11:31.10 | florian | good morning |
| 11:31.19 | smulax | morning |
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| 11:58.23 | develneubee | hello i am new to openmoko. i have some queries regarding gsmd. can it handle multiple clients sending AT commands thru libgsmd? |
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| 12:46.38 | Stephmw | hmmm, interesting gadget http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.10889 |
| 12:47.06 | SpeedEvil | the gps jammer? |
| 12:47.40 | SpeedEvil | oh - no |
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| 13:17.07 | zilux | did you already try to use the Neo in a plastic bag (for avoiding humidity or so)? |
| 13:17.24 | zilux | yesterday, I tried this |
| 13:18.06 | zilux | the neo was relatively hot after 40 minutes |
| 13:18.42 | emdete | zilux: it gets even hotter in the neopren bag delivered with it |
| 13:19.08 | zilux | some advices for avoiding this? |
| 13:19.34 | zilux | 'turn down' screen? |
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| 13:22.17 | wibbit | zilux: submerge in water? :) |
| 13:23.08 | zilux | wibbit: :-) |
| 13:23.09 | FuzzyCat | more to Alaska? |
| 13:23.13 | FuzzyCat | move |
| 13:23.25 | zilux | at some point I would like to use it like this: |
| 13:23.28 | zilux | http://www.eurotech-ltd.co.uk/en/products.aspx?pg=Zypad%20WL%201100&pp=Panel%20PCs%20/%20HMI&pc=315&pid=10116 |
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| 13:25.38 | wibbit | zilux: looks intersting |
| 13:26.00 | wibbit | zilux: where would you look to use it? |
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| 13:26.50 | PBeck | hi |
| 13:26.59 | zilux | e.g. on a motor bike, on a shop,... |
| 13:27.10 | zilux | using this; http://www.parelo.com/fiche_article.asp?id=57 |
| 13:28.03 | wibbit | zilux: okay, not quite the same way as the wrist thing, but interesting. |
| 13:29.45 | emdete | in /etc/syslog.conf REMOTE=loghost:514 is configured. what does this do? can i somehow receive syslog messages via network? /var/log/messages sucks because it's rotated too often... |
| 13:34.50 | rob_w | emdete, change that to REMOTE=YOURIP:514 and on top change from "file" to "remote" |
| 13:35.29 | emdete | rob_w: does that mean tcp or udp? |
| 13:35.35 | rob_w | ud |
| 13:35.37 | rob_w | udp |
| 13:35.50 | emdete | thnx, will try that... |
| 13:40.41 | emdete | rob_w: i assume i can catch output with nc (netcat). but this wont work - any hints? |
| 13:41.01 | rob_w | catch it with your hosts syslog ! |
| 13:41.37 | rob_w | thats how its meant tobe |
| 13:42.01 | emdete | rob_w: i want to solve another problem: the file does rotate to often for a tail -f but i dont want a bigger file there. how does the buffer work? can i get continuous logging with that? |
| 13:42.14 | rob_w | but i had problems with a host busysbox syslog to recieve properly .. so in that case i had to run real "syslog-ng" to receive |
| 13:42.44 | rob_w | BUFFERSIZE=4096 # buffer: size of circular buffer [kByte] |
| 13:43.57 | rob_w | ROTATESIZE=2048 # file: rotate log if grown beyond X [kByte] |
| 13:43.57 | rob_w | ROTATEGENS=1 # file: keep X generations of rotated logs |
| 13:43.58 | emdete | yes. exactly. but where is this buffer? |
| 13:43.59 | emdete | rob_w: do you understand what i want to achieve? |
| 13:43.59 | emdete | rob_w: i just want a tail -f like output of sysylog over days... |
| 13:43.59 | rob_w | you probably dont need that big BUFFERSIZE |
| 13:44.01 | rob_w | that should rotate it after growing bigger then 2 mb |
| 13:44.40 | emdete | i don't want a rotated file. it will break. sooner or later |
| 13:45.05 | rob_w | well yes .. tail -f breaks his filepointer when syslogs rotates .. so make it rotate at a bigger size .. my example will rotate /var/log/messages after > 2MB |
| 13:45.30 | emdete | rob_w: that's not really a solution. it just will break later |
| 13:45.35 | rob_w | set ROTATESIZE= to what you think you can carry .. |
| 13:46.05 | emdete | again: no file no rotate. i do long-time tests over days. |
| 13:46.14 | rob_w | go for 204800 that gives you a 200'MB message file .. isnt that enought ? |
| 13:46.19 | emdete | no |
| 13:46.24 | rob_w | damn .. |
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| 13:46.39 | rob_w | well go as high as you like, i dont know what is the limit here , |
| 13:46.42 | emdete | that will eat up mem or rootfs |
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| 13:46.57 | emdete | as i said rotated file is no solution |
| 13:47.12 | rob_w | =? |
| 13:47.22 | emdete | udp receive looks fine, but i would receive it with a command like netcat or so local on the device |
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| 13:47.57 | emdete | the buffer would perhaps be a solution also if i would know how to access it |
| 13:48.02 | rob_w | what isthe problem ? send syslogto a network device and tail that file there as long as you want |
| 13:48.26 | emdete | network device != file - what do you mean? |
| 13:49.00 | rob_w | busybox syslog-> remote per udp -> log box with ~ disk space ! ? |
| 13:49.25 | rob_w | then you never need tail but have all logs saved on your other box in /var/log/messages ? |
| 13:49.58 | emdete | rob_w: there is no static 'other box' |
| 13:50.18 | emdete | i connect the neo via usb, bt, gprs - network changing |
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| 13:51.15 | emdete | i work on the neo in a screen session. use a tail -f. if something happens i connect via ssh, attach to the screen session and use the scrollback buffer to see what happened |
| 13:52.00 | emdete | tail -f on a rotated file is bad for that. |
| 13:52.05 | rob_w | sure |
| 13:52.29 | emdete | netcat -u -l 127.0.0.1 514 sounds nice |
| 13:52.36 | emdete | but does not work :/ |
| 13:52.54 | emdete | so: how does the buffer work? where is it? i assume in mem? how do i access it? |
| 13:57.55 | rob_w | emdete, no idea .. i think your netcat approach must be best try to get this working |
| 13:58.56 | rob_w | or run syslog in foreground ! |
| 13:59.02 | emdete | :D |
| 14:00.57 | emdete | shit, syslogd's init.d can't restart |
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| 14:02.59 | emdete | --oknodo on stop missing... should be the default... |
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| 14:20.38 | conceited | hello |
| 14:23.09 | smulax | hi |
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| 14:26.09 | Ghiottone | Hola mokoers |
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| 14:31.02 | kristian-m | hi Ghiottone :) |
| 14:31.59 | Ghiottone | hey kristian-m ! |
| 14:32.03 | Ghiottone | long time no see |
| 14:32.10 | Ghiottone | how's life? |
| 14:32.17 | conceited | hi smulax |
| 14:32.24 | kristian-m | Ghiottone great |
| 14:32.35 | kristian-m | Ghiottone just in the middle of my thesis |
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| 14:32.58 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, great! |
| 14:34.52 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, how is it going? |
| 14:34.54 | kristian-m | Ghiottone there is a new version of settingsgui comming up - mickey has put a beta version into the oe repository |
| 14:35.13 | conceited | what does oe stand for? |
| 14:35.24 | conceited | in the community |
| 14:35.30 | kristian-m | Ghiottone well i've got a lot of code to write :-) |
| 14:35.56 | Ghiottone | conceited, oe stands for Open Embedded |
| 14:36.01 | kristian-m | conceited its openembedded |
| 14:36.05 | kristian-m | right |
| 14:36.32 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, what is your thesis about? I can only remember it was about something on openmoko. |
| 14:37.21 | conceited | oh ok |
| 14:38.44 | kristian-m | Ghiottone it's generally on mobile devices with linux - i wanted to keep it open for ideas - currently i am concentrating on openmoko, but there are a lot of fundamental thigs to be written down for about 60% of the thesis, i guess - still have to write. - then I'll introduce some of the projects i wrote, as examples for how to access different parts of the system |
| 14:39.11 | kristian-m | Ghiottone i am currently concentration on bluetooth |
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| 14:45.23 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, but what are writing, exactly? is it some sort of framework? |
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| 14:45.39 | Ghiottone | s/sort/kind/ |
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| 14:47.19 | Sup3rkiddo | howdy all |
| 14:49.10 | kristian-m | Ghiottone an other page for the settings gui, currently |
| 14:50.19 | Ghiottone | oh eheh :) |
| 14:51.48 | kristian-m | Ghiottone there is a screenshot on that at: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/6bb82ec6aae8b57a828037062eb5b782.png |
| 14:53.16 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03chris * r3952 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 14:53.16 | CIA-9 | openmoko: * src/today-main.c: (bg_child_expose_cb), (reduced_notify), (main): |
| 14:53.16 | CIA-9 | openmoko: * src/today-pim-journal.c: (today_pim_journal_box_new): |
| 14:53.16 | CIA-9 | openmoko: * src/today.h: |
| 14:53.16 | CIA-9 | openmoko: Add a 'reduced' mode (controlled by /desktop/poky/interface/reduced) |
| 14:53.35 | wibbit | kristian-m: Not sure if you're a good person to aim this comment at (possible should be for mickey), but I'd say the bit that says "name, Address, Link" look like tabs as opposed to columns |
| 14:54.57 | kristian-m | wibbit right - it's a gtk thing - but it olls better ones something is selected |
| 14:55.31 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03chris * r3953 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-launcher/: Remove openmoko-launcher, superceded by openmoko-today2's 'reduced' mode |
| 14:55.37 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, the screenshot looks really good! |
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| 14:56.22 | kristian-m | Ghiottone thanks, and it's kind of working already - have to find some time to fix the last issues |
| 14:57.04 | wibbit | kristian-m: I do agree it looks very nice :\ |
| 14:57.28 | wibbit | kristian-m: I have a horrible habbit of providing negative feedback as opposed to positive, unfortunately |
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| 14:59.46 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03mickey * r3954 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.22.x/: copy kernel/2.6.22.x branch from trunk |
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| 15:02.08 | kristian-m | wibbit it's okay, more of that! :-) |
| 15:02.31 | kristian-m | wibbit feedback can never be bad |
| 15:03.00 | wibbit | kristian-m: My other half would quite passionately disagree with you on that :) |
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| 15:11.05 | kristian-m | wibbit ;) |
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| 15:53.03 | Ebbe | Does anyone know if java ME has been run on the phone? I would really want to try somethings with it |
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| 15:54.50 | Stephmw | Ebbe: iirc there's a .bb for it in OE, I haven't tried it |
| 15:55.54 | Ebbe | Stephmw: I'll look it up, thanks |
| 16:03.40 | FuzzyCat | mmm.. is noone else having audio issues? |
| 16:03.55 | FuzzyCat | or iseveryone just pretending they can hear stuff |
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| 16:12.01 | Ebbe | FuzzyCat: Audio is fine here. Not pretending |
| 16:12.14 | FuzzyCat | how old is your kernel? |
| 16:14.04 | cjb_ie | mwester: nah, those are digitised voices. sorry :) |
| 16:14.12 | Ebbe | FuzzyCat: It's from the last few days |
| 16:14.30 | FuzzyCat | 2.6.22.5-moko11 ? |
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| 16:14.53 | Genesis | yp |
| 16:15.04 | Ebbe | Yep |
| 16:15.14 | FuzzyCat | where from |
| 16:15.14 | FuzzyCat | ? |
| 16:15.27 | Ebbe | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/?M=D |
| 16:15.34 | FuzzyCat | :/ |
| 16:15.41 | FuzzyCat | that's mine :) |
| 16:15.46 | Ebbe | :) |
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| 16:16.02 | FuzzyCat | but I'm not sure if that means my neo hardware in buggered |
| 16:16.26 | FuzzyCat | can you lsmod for me and put it in pastebin.ca |
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| 16:16.43 | Ebbe | One sec |
| 16:17.17 | Genesis | is author of kboot on irc sometime ? |
| 16:17.26 | Genesis | (Werner Almesberger) |
| 16:17.49 | mickey|zzZZzz | not in public channels, he's too busy to engage in chats (unlike us... heh) |
| 16:17.57 | mickey|zzZZzz | write him a mail |
| 16:17.59 | mickey|zzZZzz | that's easiest |
| 16:18.08 | Ebbe | FuzzyCat: http://pastebin.ca/872166 |
| 16:18.09 | Genesis | sure |
| 16:18.15 | Genesis | i was curious :) |
| 16:18.21 | FuzzyCat | ta |
| 16:19.09 | Genesis | i'd like to use his kboot to boot from usbkey to mtd ( don't ask why i've a such electronic design :/ ) |
| 16:19.09 | FuzzyCat | hrrm |
| 16:21.13 | Genesis | compulab has poor design , never buy something to them :/ |
| 16:21.42 | Ebbe | But I really like how things a going right now, I can sms and call. That's nice :) |
| 16:25.41 | kdean06 | Ebbe, Are you running "default" builds?' |
| 16:26.59 | Ebbe | kdean06: I'm using FuzzyCats normal builds |
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| 16:27.35 | Ebbe | kdean06: And then ipkg update and upgrade :) |
| 16:28.40 | kdean06 | Is FuzzyCat Scaredycat? |
| 16:28.44 | FuzzyCat | yes |
| 16:29.02 | kdean06 | lol |
| 16:29.05 | kdean06 | Okay. |
| 16:29.15 | FuzzyCat | different machine |
| 16:30.06 | FuzzyCat | I don;t get it... |
| 16:30.06 | FuzzyCat | ... |
| 16:30.06 | FuzzyCat | what image are you using Ebbe? |
| 16:30.23 | Ebbe | It's quite old.. |
| 16:30.41 | FuzzyCat | ok, so you haven't tried a newer one then... |
| 16:30.45 | Ebbe | I think from december |
| 16:30.53 | Ebbe | Nope |
| 16:31.08 | FuzzyCat | afaik audio was ok at about 07th December, after that it nolonger works for me |
| 16:31.34 | FuzzyCat | i'm getting symbol errors on the modprobe... |
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| 16:34.08 | kdean06 | As in no audio at all, or skipping or other audio blemishes? |
| 16:34.38 | kdean06 | I've never used a build that didn't have functional audio, and I've never installed a pre-07 Dec build. |
| 16:34.48 | kdean06 | Including some of yours, actually. |
| 16:35.15 | FuzzyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.20 | FuzzyCat | nada |
| 16:35.27 | kdean06 | So let me wipe qtopia and try today's image. :) |
| 16:35.44 | FuzzyCat | modprobe of the wm modile fails |
| 16:35.55 | kdean06 | I can say for sure all of my audio issues are because pulseaudio currently sucks. |
| 16:37.51 | kdean06 | Might as well grab some screenshots for Dialer dissection too. |
| 16:39.08 | zilux | FuzzyCat: as noticed previously, copy the missing audio module to your rootfs |
| 16:39.21 | FuzzyCat | it's not missing |
| 16:39.39 | zilux | was missing here |
| 16:39.49 | zilux | ok |
| 16:40.41 | jmichel | Does somebody know how to change syslog parameters to log a lowe rlevel of messages ? |
| 16:41.11 | jmichel | Currently the Moko seems to only log warnings and over |
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| 16:49.42 | FuzzyCat | ok. .... |
| 16:49.46 | FuzzyCat | found the issue |
| 16:50.28 | FuzzyCat | rev 3874 of uImage is a bag-o-shite |
| 16:50.46 | mwester | FuzzyCat? Scaredycat has a static electricity problem in his home today? |
| 16:52.14 | Ebbe | FuzzyCat: Thats what I'm using.. |
| 16:52.22 | FuzzyCat | 3874? |
| 16:52.27 | Ebbe | Yep |
| 16:52.41 | zilux | two distinct cats |
| 16:53.23 | FuzzyCat | mwester: no I'm just uising s different pc |
| 16:54.02 | Ebbe | You have S different pc's? Wow ;) |
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| 16:57.00 | FuzzyCat | kdean06: loopymusic all 'wobbly' ? |
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| 17:03.21 | jmichel | Now I see, the Moko is logging everything but in a small buffer |
| 17:03.32 | jmichel | so the data is overwritten very rapidly |
| 17:03.50 | balrog-kun | do you mean the dmesg? |
| 17:04.23 | balrog-kun | dmesg is a circular buffer by design, it's not Moko |
| 17:04.48 | balrog-kun | you can increase the buffer size in Linux, using the "dmesg" command |
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| 17:10.55 | cworth | So I haven't touched my phone in a few months, and I'm guessing it's due for a reflash with the latest images. |
| 17:11.15 | cworth | Only, I'm not finding it obvious to find where and what those are. Any guidance? |
| 17:11.40 | balrog-kun | buildhost.om.o/daily i think |
| 17:11.41 | cworth | The Flashing_openmoko page does point to: |
| 17:11.47 | cworth | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/?M=D |
| 17:12.02 | balrog-kun | that would work too, probably |
| 17:12.06 | cworth | And that does have some recent files in it, but I can't make sense of which is what. |
| 17:12.09 | br3n | i don't know but have seen others refing this page http://downloads.openmoko.org/ |
| 17:12.31 | balrog-kun | buildhost.om.o/daily keeps the official builds afaik |
| 17:13.37 | cworth | balrog-kun: What am I looking for under daily? |
| 17:14.02 | cworth | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/ |
| 17:14.05 | cworth | I suppose. |
| 17:14.21 | balrog-kun | yep, that should be it |
| 17:14.59 | cworth | At least there's only one matching rootfs.jffs2 once I get there. Thanks. |
| 17:18.02 | cworth | Oh, but there is also devel-image*.jffs2 so I'm confused again. |
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| 17:20.43 | cworth | Err... I guess both say devel-image. The two are: |
| 17:20.53 | cworth | openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01.jffs2 |
| 17:20.55 | cworth | and: |
| 17:21.10 | cworth | OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080125-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 17:21.21 | cworth | Maybe those are actually the same file? |
| 17:22.14 | mmontour | cworth: the short name is a symlink to the most recent image |
| 17:22.18 | cworth | Yes, they are. OK. |
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| 17:24.04 | wurp2 | Is there an image for which the phone consistently works, even if you're listening to music on earplugs, for example? |
| 17:24.16 | wurp2 | (I mean, you get a call while listening) |
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| 19:04.28 | SpeedEvil | whaat's the current BT state? |
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| 19:07.42 | SpeedEvil | i.e. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Headset_Audio IS STILL ACCURATE? |
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| 19:27.49 | kdean06 | Whoa, SMS actually works. :) |
| 19:27.59 | kdean06 | That's a bit unintuitive, but it works. |
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| 20:05.55 | wurp2 | kdean06: re: SMS - what image, if I may ask? |
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| 20:06.25 | kdean06 | wurp2, ScardyCat's from today with an older kernel. Allow me to get the exact version. |
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| 20:06.39 | wurp2 | cool! |
| 20:06.55 | wurp2 | Can you answer phone calls while listening to music? :-) |
| 20:07.10 | wurp2 | I mean, obviously ideally you're not listening to music at the same time... |
| 20:07.42 | kdean06 | I don't know. :P |
| 20:08.38 | wurp2 | :-) |
| 20:08.47 | wurp2 | I may be turning to QTopia :-/ |
| 20:08.59 | wurp2 | I basically can't use the phone part |
| 20:09.10 | wurp2 | I would really really miss my terminal, though |
| 20:09.15 | kdean06 | I've been using qtopia because of the lack of SMS. |
| 20:09.19 | kdean06 | But it works now. :) |
| 20:09.29 | kdean06 | That said... |
| 20:09.53 | kdean06 | The last Moko images i really used couldn't even play music by itself, so the answer calls with music thing was moot. |
| 20:10.14 | kdean06 | Media Player running an MP3 cause Pulse to eat so much CPU it skipped every 4 or 5 seconds. |
| 20:10.20 | wurp2 | Interestingly, I've been listening to music all day with no pauses |
| 20:10.37 | wurp2 | The only other notable thing is that app selection from the upper left corner isn't working |
| 20:10.57 | wurp2 | Is there gps support on QTopia? |
| 20:11.09 | wurp2 | (apologies, I haven't checked into this stuff on my own at all really) |
| 20:11.22 | wurp2 | I ran a qtopia image for a bit, but felt handicapped w/ no term |
| 20:11.22 | kdean06 | Perhaps that has been fixed, this is my first time actually evaluating non-basic functions though... I can't keep anything on the Neo for longer than about 3 hours that doesn't do SMS and phone calls. |
| 20:11.35 | wurp2 | heh |
| 20:11.39 | wurp2 | I still have my old phone |
| 20:11.49 | wurp2 | but it sits on my desk at home w/no SIM |
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| 20:12.11 | kdean06 | My old phone broke several months prior to getting my Neo. If it wasn't, my wife might have killed me for purchasing a half-functional phone for $300. |
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| 20:12.17 | wurp2 | OK, 2 stupid questions |
| 20:12.18 | wurp2 | heh |
| 20:12.27 | wurp2 | how do I see the process name in top? |
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| 20:13.02 | wurp2 | and is there some .*rc that would run automatically from / when I log into term? |
| 20:13.18 | wurp2 | in fact |
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| 20:13.38 | wurp2 | I am listening to music right now through media player (and hence presumably pulseaudio) |
| 20:13.49 | wurp2 | and my cpu is maxing out at 39%, per top |
| 20:14.26 | wurp2 | I do hear very slight pauses, rarely |
| 20:14.30 | br3n | mnnn how many hrs battery like that..... :-) |
| 20:14.55 | wurp2 | sideways 8 |
| 20:14.58 | kdean06 | Swapping screen orientation doesn't help too much. :P |
| 20:15.03 | wurp2 | I'm plugged into my pc ;-) |
| 20:15.08 | wurp2 | kdean06: nope :-( |
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| 20:15.17 | wurp2 | I'm sure there's some magic key I can press |
| 20:15.20 | wurp2 | or parms I can give |
| 20:15.29 | kdean06 | ssh -l root 192.168.0.202 :) |
| 20:15.30 | wurp2 | but the default top layout on neo is not much use |
| 20:15.35 | wurp2 | heh |
| 20:15.43 | wurp2 | I have had 'issues' with windows networking |
| 20:15.45 | kdean06 | No, I agree. top on the Moko term is useless. :) |
| 20:15.54 | wurp2 | not least of which is that I don't want to install that stuff on my work pc |
| 20:16.03 | kdean06 | wurp2, The bugfix for those issues has already been released. |
| 20:16.26 | kdean06 | wurp2, You can download one of a thousand variations of the fix from http://www.distrowatch.com |
| 20:16.30 | kdean06 | :0 |
| 20:16.40 | wurp2 | can you cut-n-paste 'those issues' from earlier convo? |
| 20:16.45 | wurp2 | 'cause I dunno what you mean |
| 20:16.53 | wurp2 | but much thanks for the link :-) |
| 20:17.01 | kdean06 | I was being a wiseass. Or trying, anyway. |
| 20:17.10 | wurp2 | ah, cool |
| 20:17.26 | wurp2 | sorry I was too much of a dumbass ;-) |
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| 20:18.51 | wurp2 | If someone can check cpu usage on their neo while playing mp3s... |
| 20:18.57 | wurp2 | Right now mine is at 39% max |
| 20:19.06 | wurp2 | (using media player) |
| 20:19.11 | Sp33d3v1l3r | depends on the bitrate somewhat and software lots |
| 20:19.21 | wurp2 | which I think is way lower than what I've seen reported |
| 20:19.39 | Sp33d3v1l3r | it's somewhere at 18% with the optimised version of mplayer |
| 20:19.40 | wurp2 | Sp33d3v1l3r: by software, you mean which player & audio stack? |
| 20:19.41 | Sp33d3v1l3r | IIRC |
| 20:19.44 | Sp33d3v1l3r | yes |
| 20:20.12 | wurp2 | Sp33d3v1l3r: yeah, that's why I mentioned the media player - presumably that means pulseaudio |
| 20:21.07 | wurp2 | I just have some sw that's busted on my neo right now, and if there's some interaction issue with pulseaudio and other software I thought I should capture it |
| 20:21.21 | wurp2 | but I dunno for sure what cpu usage to expect from media player |
| 20:21.43 | wurp2 | I just remember someone talking about it (really pulseaudio) being cpu-bound |
| 20:21.50 | wurp2 | and 39% doesn't sound bound |
| 20:22.03 | SpeedEvil | what % is it using2A? |
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| 20:23.42 | apaulsen | is it possible to pass an option (-l or --ignore-whitespace) to patch? It keeps choking on a whitespace change |
| 20:24.15 | wurp2 | Total cpu usage is 39% |
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| 20:24.25 | apaulsen | ...sorry, wrong window |
| 20:24.27 | wurp2 | Dunno media/pulse usage |
| 20:24.45 | wurp2 | can't see which app is which in top :-/ |
| 20:25.01 | wurp2 | and I'm too lazy to capture the pids and grep ps for 'em |
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| 20:25.58 | wurp2 | is there some .*rc that would run automatically from / when I log into the terminal? |
| 20:26.09 | wurp2 | I've tried .shrc, .ashrc, .bashrc |
| 20:26.11 | Linux_Galore | heh http://mail.google.com/mail/help/paper/more.html |
| 20:28.09 | wurp2 | Linux_Galore: howdy |
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| 20:33.19 | quicksand | I'm having pretty good success with the media player and pulseaudio (and my new 8GiB MicroSDHC, woo!) -- provided I renice both the player and pulseaudio to -10. |
| 20:33.26 | quicksand | Otherwise it skips all the time. |
| 20:34.30 | wurp2 | quicksand: simple, excellent, idea |
| 20:34.41 | wurp2 | quicksand: How much for the SDHC? |
| 20:34.48 | kdean06 | $89 on Amazon. :) |
| 20:34.52 | wurp2 | :-/ |
| 20:35.01 | wurp2 | I'll wait until I run out of space on my 2 gig |
| 20:35.15 | wurp2 | $89 is not bad |
| 20:35.17 | wurp2 | but I'm cheap |
| 20:35.20 | quicksand | US$99 -- it came with a (tiny!) reader too |
| 20:35.25 | kdean06 | I've been eyeing them since they've dropped but I'd rather get a filter and a new kettle first. :) |
| 20:35.34 | wurp2 | Yeah, it's funny how they come now |
| 20:35.48 | wurp2 | Mine is a russian doll |
| 20:36.05 | wurp2 | came with the micro, an SD adapter, and a usb adapter that the SD adapter can go in |
| 20:37.57 | wurp2 | quicksand: Have you had any side effects from your renice? |
| 20:39.06 | quicksand | Anyhow, I have a script that runs the player and immediately renices it and PA, and I pointed the default .desktop launcher for the media player to the script. |
| 20:39.11 | quicksand | Works fine, but other stuff is somewhat less responsive. |
| 20:39.14 | quicksand | While music is playing |
| 20:39.45 | Vegar | I wonder why pulseaudio is used |
| 20:39.49 | br3n | does it renice again when a call is received? |
| 20:40.01 | Vegar | wouldn't it be possible to use alsa and dmix? |
| 20:40.19 | quicksand | br3n: Heh, no. Not that sophisticated. |
| 20:40.28 | wurp2 | quicksand: Thanks |
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| 20:42.45 | wurp2 | br3n: Can you answer calls while listening to music? |
| 20:42.50 | wurp2 | 'cause that doesn't work for me |
| 20:42.59 | wurp2 | my build is like 3 weeks old now, though |
| 20:43.01 | quicksand | Vegar: dunno. |
| 20:43.20 | br3n | i don't even have a neo ;-) !!!! (Yet) |
| 20:43.25 | wurp2 | br3n: heh |
| 20:43.30 | quicksand | Pulse certainly has a lot of capabilities that we don't really need on this platform (synchronized net playback, etc.) |
| 20:43.42 | quicksand | But maybe there's something about its buffering that is useful. |
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| 20:44.16 | SpeedEvil | We 'need' all sorts of funky audio capabilities in the far term. |
| 20:44.28 | SpeedEvil | (where far term = consumer polished) |
| 20:45.02 | SpeedEvil | For example, voice transcoding, mp3 playing while recording incoming call in answerphone mode,... |
| 20:45.24 | Vegar | doesn't dmix do that? |
| 20:45.43 | Vegar | and the dmix-like thing for input |
| 20:46.07 | kdean06 | SpeedEvil, Honest opinion... Do you beleive that the GTA01vb4 will be capable of doing all of those things? |
| 20:46.46 | quicksand | It's true that a pulse BT a2dp sink, for example, would be nice (and maybe there is one already). That kind of thing is easier with pulse I think. |
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| 20:47.36 | wurp2 | kdean06: Ever is a long time.. |
| 20:48.22 | wurp2 | I'm more concerned about what it will do in the next 3 months, 6 months, 1-3 years |
| 20:48.33 | SpeedEvil | kdean06: sure |
| 20:48.38 | wurp2 | 3 years is about my device lifespan, before I get ready to buy another |
| 20:48.39 | SpeedEvil | kdean06: it's got all the hardware |
| 20:48.48 | kdean06 | I'm not asking about the features, I'm asking about the hardware. For instance, PA is in there for all of those things he mentioned, but if the processor couldn't handle those things then putting the framework in there for it would really really suck for GTA01 users. |
| 20:48.57 | SpeedEvil | It can |
| 20:49.05 | kdean06 | Cool, SpeedEvil. :) You got what I meant. |
| 20:49.09 | wurp2 | Those things all look possible |
| 20:49.15 | SpeedEvil | audio recording - PCM - is almost free |
| 20:49.19 | wurp2 | although transcoding is prolly not going to be realtime |
| 20:49.25 | wurp2 | depending on the exact coding you're doing |
| 20:49.26 | SpeedEvil | Simple voice changing is really easy |
| 20:49.44 | SpeedEvil | I've done 8Khz telephone quality on a Z80 |
| 20:50.13 | SpeedEvil | (400Khz or so clock 8 bit) |
| 20:50.21 | SpeedEvil | s/clock/instruction rate/ |
| 20:50.32 | kdean06 | So the general idea is (with the exception of the missing hardware, IE rotate-on-tilt or Wifi) that the software platform is equal or close enough to not matter. Good to know. |
| 20:50.45 | SpeedEvil | Pretty much |
| 20:50.53 | kdean06 | I'd be happy with basic noise cancellation ratehr than recording. :) |
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| 20:51.04 | kdean06 | Well, no, I'm happy now that I've got SMS. :) |
| 20:52.39 | wurp2 | I'll be happy when I can make & answer calls consistently |
| 20:52.46 | wurp2 | SMS would be nice |
| 20:53.15 | wurp2 | although I'm probably more likely to use SMS from software than manually |
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| 20:54.35 | kdean06 | "From software" meaning a GUI? |
| 20:54.39 | kdean06 | Cause that's there. |
| 20:54.48 | kdean06 | Or.. It should be. |
| 20:55.47 | kdean06 | Incoming SMS works, confirmed. :) |
| 20:55.56 | wurp2 | No, I mean automaed |
| 20:56.00 | wurp2 | *automated |
| 20:56.19 | wurp2 | e.g., a cheaper way to do some network stuff, using a bridge on my home PC |
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| 20:56.55 | wurp2 | (cheaper than gprs, and with the added advantage that so far gprs is a no go for me) |
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| 20:57.14 | kdean06 | Hrm.. |
| 20:57.41 | kdean06 | Forgive a stupid question but... Does SMS use GRPS? |
| 20:57.59 | wurp2 | nope |
| 20:58.17 | wurp2 | I'm almost certain it's a totally different protocol... |
| 20:58.20 | kdean06 | Okay, I was going to say... |
| 20:58.28 | kdean06 | GRPS fails for me, but SMS works. :) |
| 20:58.42 | wurp2 | The billing model is different too |
| 20:58.58 | kdean06 | Not for me. |
| 20:59.02 | wurp2 | But honestly I'm not entirely sure how it's different, especially for me |
| 20:59.12 | wurp2 | because I am pre-pay with no contract |
| 20:59.32 | kdean06 | Wife confirmed outgoing SMS works too. NICE. |
| 20:59.37 | wurp2 | Cool!! |
| 20:59.39 | kdean06 | I'm in debted to ScardyCat. |
| 20:59.39 | br3n | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gprs |
| 20:59.40 | wurp2 | congrats |
| 20:59.52 | wurp2 | br3n: Yeah, did that |
| 20:59.58 | wurp2 | didn't work |
| 21:00.18 | wurp2 | Either I need pppd scripts, or I did something wrong, or I'm incompatible in some other way |
| 21:00.48 | kdean06 | Yeah, I'm not sure what's happening there either, my T-Mobile GPRS fails and it seems well documented. |
| 21:01.19 | zash_ | sms over gprs would be cheap |
| 21:02.03 | zedstar | any light weight messaging over gprs would be ok and cheap |
| 21:02.04 | wurp2 | zash_: I'm not sure what my gprs billing model is |
| 21:02.26 | wurp2 | I guess it's more that I'm more comfortable with the sms billing, than it being cheaper... |
| 21:02.43 | SpeedEvil | For me - it's 0.7p/k but capped at 1 pound/day, so 0.2p/text or so |
| 21:02.56 | wurp2 | and I know my old phone had just stupid charges for download |
| 21:02.56 | SpeedEvil | And free after 500/day |
| 21:02.57 | wurp2 | s |
| 21:03.22 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: but do they really let you xfer all the data you want? |
| 21:03.29 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 21:03.56 | SpeedEvil | Or there is a figure that they say not to go over which I don't remember. |
| 21:04.10 | SpeedEvil | But it's seeverall hours a day saturating the link |
| 21:04.16 | zedstar | it took a long time coming the operator 1 pound cap but is good |
| 21:04.27 | SpeedEvil | t-mobile PAYG |
| 21:04.44 | zedstar | can at least test stuff over gprs now without a contract |
| 21:04.58 | kdean06 | For me it's $19 a month for all I can download on mine or my wife's phone. |
| 21:05.00 | SpeedEvil | Means that I can do tiny amounts of data not too badly, pay nothing on the days I don't use data, and only 1 quid a day nomatter how hard I use it |
| 21:05.22 | SpeedEvil | kdean06: is that on an existinc contract? |
| 21:05.26 | kdean06 | The perks of working with a "good" company and reneweing year after year. |
| 21:05.30 | kdean06 | Yes. |
| 21:05.37 | kdean06 | SpeedEvil, I've been with T-Mobile for many many years. |
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| 21:06.02 | SpeedEvil | kdean06: ah - this is without contract. Last month I paid 1.50 total for about 20M of data, as I only used it one day |
| 21:06.16 | unknown_lamer | ouch if I didn;t have t-mo flat rate I would die |
| 21:06.26 | unknown_lamer | that flat rate is the only reason I can be a wandering programmer |
| 21:06.31 | darmou | can you use openmoko browser |
| 21:06.39 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 21:06.40 | darmou | on angtrom |
| 21:06.45 | wurp2 | wow, that's really nice |
| 21:06.57 | wurp2 | I dunno if that kind of contract is available in the US |
| 21:06.58 | kdean06 | I don't mind contracts as long as they don't suck. |
| 21:07.11 | kdean06 | Sprint sucked. Verizons sucks. Cingular sucked. T-Mobile was nice. :) |
| 21:07.18 | unknown_lamer | even when you are out of contract you are de facto in one because you can't really switch to another provider without being enslaved again |
| 21:08.06 | wurp2 | ?? |
| 21:08.32 | wurp2 | that makes no sense - w/o a contract, I can switch providers. w/o one, I pay a penalty to do so |
| 21:08.36 | SpeedEvil | My major annoyance with the UK 3G market is that there is no way to get a (sensibly priced) data contract |
| 21:08.37 | darmou | openmoko-browser2: symbol lookup error: openmoko-browser2: undefined symbol: webkit_init |
| 21:08.40 | darmou | hmm |
| 21:08.40 | SpeedEvil | without hardware. |
| 21:08.57 | zedstar | yeh speedevil....i actually dont want voice |
| 21:09.03 | wurp2 | s/w\/o one/w\/ one/ |
| 21:09.13 | zedstar | or 1000000 text |
| 21:10.02 | zedstar | speedevil are u on the mobile monday mailing list? good industry stuff on that |
| 21:12.06 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 21:12.29 | SpeedEvil | Too many ml's too little time |
| 21:12.44 | zedstar | is good a lot of people bitching about the teleco;s and lot of industry read it |
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| 21:12.59 | SpeedEvil | uk.telecom.mobile is of use |
| 21:13.50 | zedstar | yeh usenet rocks |
| 21:13.54 | br3n | http://cgi.ebay.com/Fic-Neo1973-Linux-Smartphone-for-developers_W0QQitemZ110216704241QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3312QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p1638.m122 |
| 21:15.36 | kristian-m | br3n do you sell it? |
| 21:15.47 | br3n | not me just saw it |
| 21:16.12 | br3n | its gta1bv4 |
| 21:16.28 | kristian-m | i see |
| 21:18.58 | zedstar | good price! |
| 21:19.15 | SpeedEvil | I don't see anything especially inaccurate |
| 21:19.20 | SpeedEvil | (in the listing) |
| 21:19.26 | SpeedEvil | It could of course be more complete. |
| 21:23.26 | kdean06 | Hrm... |
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| 21:24.17 | kdean06 | Oh... |
| 21:24.21 | kdean06 | Been meaning to ask. |
| 21:24.37 | kdean06 | Is it possible to buy Neo accessories? Like, say, spare batteries? |
| 21:25.37 | kdean06 | I know I could have bought an Advance kit, but I didn't think I needed the debug board so I couldn't justify the cost. That was before I knew the battery died in 3.5 hours. :P |
| 21:26.42 | zash_ | usb-to-serial adapters should work with neo and om? |
| 21:27.49 | zedstar | a specific nokia battery should work as a spare |
| 21:28.24 | kristian-m | kdean06 you can buy a nokia BL-5C - but it won't charge in the neo1973 |
| 21:29.23 | kdean06 | Yeah, not sure that helps but I'll keep that in mind. :) |
| 21:29.24 | kristian-m | zash_ nop, it's not working - the usb-on-the-go port ist not powering devices, you'd need a powered hub there |
| 21:29.56 | zash_ | didnt the gta02 have powerd usb? |
| 21:30.42 | kristian-m | kdean06 see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery |
| 21:31.12 | kristian-m | zash_ afaik it has a powered port |
| 21:32.36 | wurp2 | I want a good hip clip |
| 21:32.42 | wurp2 | the bag leaves much to be desired |
| 21:33.02 | ScaredyCat | I'll sell you my spare battery for 180 gbp :) |
| 21:33.03 | wurp2 | preferably a hip clip that can double as a stand, so I can set up my neo & whip out the bluetooth kbd |
| 21:33.26 | zash_ | wurp2: design your own case |
| 21:33.28 | wurp2 | I'll sell you my only battery for 180 gpb... |
| 21:33.41 | kdean06 | lol |
| 21:33.42 | wurp2 | zash_: I don't have a fab machine |
| 21:34.33 | wurp2 | If I was willing to trash the look, I could superglue something on the back of the neo, I guess :-/ |
| 21:35.16 | wurp2 | If I could get a spare back I would totally do that... if I were confident that the neo wouldn't fall off my hip, leaving the back stuck there alone |
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| 21:36.05 | kdean06 | Get a quick disconnect lanyard and run it through your belt. |
| 21:36.24 | kdean06 | Sure, doesn't look the sexiest, but functions the same. |
| 21:37.31 | wurp2 | Isn't it still going to be hanging there? |
| 21:37.46 | wurp2 | But the idea of clipping something over the lanyard hole is great... |
| 21:38.08 | wurp2 | I don't like it swinging around while I walk |
| 21:38.16 | wurp2 | maybe I should just walk less sexily |
| 21:38.17 | kdean06 | I dont' know, I'm a pocket carrier. :P |
| 21:38.37 | wurp2 | it's just a bit bulky for that |
| 21:38.45 | zedstar | less mincing when u walk ;) |
| 21:38.48 | wurp2 | this from the guy who almost never carries his wallet |
| 21:38.49 | kdean06 | Not when you're as big as I am. :) |
| 21:39.15 | wurp2 | zedstar: baby, how will they know what I got if I don't show it off? |
| 21:39.19 | wurp2 | ;-) |
| 21:39.26 | zedstar | lol |
| 21:39.29 | kdean06 | My co-worker, a tiny little Brazillian woman was like "It's chunky" and I'm thiking "Hrm, fits in my hand nicely" |
| 21:39.44 | wurp2 | It feels solid |
| 21:39.48 | wurp2 | but not too big, to me |
| 21:40.30 | kdean06 | My last phone was a RAZR, so I went from feeling like I was talking into a piece of delicate glass to feeling like i could club an attacker with my phone and it's a good feeling. |
| 21:40.37 | vininim | uh.. i'm a tiny little brazillian, I hope it's not too much bigger than a palm t|x =p |
| 21:41.01 | kdean06 | vininim, By the fact that you're on IRC I'm safely betting that she's much cuter than you. :) |
| 21:41.19 | vininim | hehehe |
| 21:41.44 | wurp2 | zedstar: thanks :-) |
| 21:43.42 | xcasex | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.23 | kdean06 | Actually, in the past 2 months, I've spent more time using my Neo. My RAZR (and my wifes, for that matter) were horrifially broken by week 2 and mine was totally broken two months prior to purchasing my Neo. |
| 21:45.52 | kdean06 | I used mine with no screen for almost 5 months and the phone was barely a year old when I smashed it. |
| 21:46.02 | xcasex | oh you can place and receive calls with your neo |
| 21:46.05 | kdean06 | Yes |
| 21:46.09 | kdean06 | And messages. :) |
| 21:46.13 | xcasex | excellent ,which build etc? |
| 21:46.30 | kdean06 | ScaredyCat's from today. :) |
| 21:47.03 | kdean06 | xcasex, SMS working is new. I've not had problems making calls at all though I've had stability issues. |
| 21:47.07 | xcasex | so. no subsequent errors etc? wakes from sleep when calls come in etc? |
| 21:47.18 | Spida | xcasex: place and receive calls with the gui? or still by at-commands? |
| 21:47.18 | kdean06 | Sleep? What's that? |
| 21:47.23 | xcasex | ScaredyCat: wench, i command you to talk to me. |
| 21:47.32 | xcasex | Spida: gui. |
| 21:47.42 | kdean06 | I lock my screen, no sleeping allowed. |
| 21:47.45 | xcasex | kdean06: s2ram of course kind sir :p |
| 21:47.48 | Spida | xcasex: oh, cool |
| 21:48.04 | Spida | how is the battery-lifetime now? |
| 21:48.10 | kdean06 | Horrible. :P |
| 21:48.10 | ScaredyCat | wassup biatch |
| 21:48.32 | xcasex | ScaredyCat: kdean06 here is making bold statements as to the stability of your latest build |
| 21:48.50 | kdean06 | Notice that even ScaredyCat's don't work on his own phone. :P |
| 21:48.52 | ScaredyCat | only my latest? they are all excellent |
| 21:48.54 | kdean06 | He doesn' have sound. |
| 21:49.00 | ScaredyCat | I do now |
| 21:49.03 | kdean06 | Ah! |
| 21:49.06 | kdean06 | Modules? :P |
| 21:49.18 | xcasex | ScaredyCat: could our issues be related to us usign the sd card for s torage? |
| 21:49.22 | ScaredyCat | well, yes.. but not the reason you think kdean06 |
| 21:49.28 | kdean06 | Mismatch? |
| 21:49.30 | kdean06 | ;) |
| 21:49.52 | ScaredyCat | no... right modules for kernel and rootfs... just somehting not right... |
| 21:49.56 | kdean06 | Ah. |
| 21:50.07 | kdean06 | Anyway, today's image works well for me. |
| 21:50.15 | Spida | is the battery-lifetime a hardware or a software-issue? |
| 21:50.20 | ScaredyCat | untar the same modules tarball copy the kernel modules for sound to the neo... works |
| 21:50.23 | kdean06 | Spida, Both. |
| 21:50.31 | kdean06 | Well, software and firmware. |
| 21:50.36 | kdean06 | From what I understand. |
| 21:50.47 | ScaredyCat | so I've blown away my work dir and doing a full rebuild - which should be ready by tomorrow |
| 21:50.56 | Spida | kdean06: so both are fixable without throwing the hardware away? |
| 21:51.12 | SpeedEvil | Spida: prettymyuch |
| 21:51.31 | SpeedEvil | Spida: think of the hardware side as all the levers and knobs in your car |
| 21:51.33 | kdean06 | ScaredyCat, I've noticed some differences but how much deviation do you do from the core apps? I notice things added, but are you applying unmerged patches to things like messages2? |
| 21:52.09 | SpeedEvil | Spida: and think of powering down and powering up properly as you controlling all these knobs and levers to get it to stop safely in any condition. |
| 21:52.24 | kdean06 | Spida, I understand that it will, in time, be decent if not good. The software is an energy hog and the firmware is too stupid to suspend. Both are fixable and both will make power management more bearable. |
| 21:53.38 | ScaredyCat | kdean06: I use the bleeding edge stuff |
| 21:54.04 | kdean06 | i.e. svn? |
| 21:54.16 | kdean06 | Or i.e. "Fresh picked from your head"? |
| 21:54.43 | kdean06 | s/svn/Source control |
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| 22:02.20 | kdean06 | Hrm... |
| 22:02.25 | kdean06 | Perhaps I'm having some issues. :P |
| 22:02.39 | kdean06 | Well, SMS DOES work, and that's huge for me. |
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| 22:04.14 | toxx_ | hi, i'm trying to boot 2.6.24 on my moko with the latest openmoko svn patches quilted in, but on the screen something just runs through which I can't really interpret. is this also a known issue? |
| 22:05.20 | kdean06 | Since the upgrade I've been getting gstreamer connection issues. |
| 22:05.43 | toxx_ | i copied all .ko's and ran depmod. it's getting behind the 'starting linux' message, but then there's just noise on the display |
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| 22:12.50 | xcasex | ScaredyCat: which is the latest known working phone/sms combo, build? |
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| 22:20.25 | wurp2 | kdean06: I get occasional gstreamer issues |
| 22:20.38 | wurp2 | It looks as if there are specific files for me that it just doesn't understand, though |
| 22:20.56 | wurp2 | the media player honestly isn't very good :-( |
| 22:21.04 | wurp2 | I mean, it can't help gstreamer stuff |
| 22:21.19 | kdean06 | I actually kinda like it. :P |
| 22:21.22 | wurp2 | but it doesn't have to lock up for a noticable time when I select a file that no longer exists |
| 22:21.30 | kdean06 | Oh. |
| 22:21.35 | wurp2 | and I can't get it to start playing a song from my list |
| 22:21.42 | wurp2 | and it takes it a long time to build a list |
| 22:21.43 | kdean06 | Is the file manager part of media player, or external? |
| 22:21.53 | blckdove | Ha! Just openedup my 01 from the packet |
| 22:21.54 | quicksand | For me, it falls squarely into the "good enough for now" category. |
| 22:21.54 | wurp2 | and when I try to skip ahead several times, it takes a long time |
| 22:22.08 | wurp2 | blckdove: Congrats! |
| 22:22.26 | wurp2 | quicksand: it falls into the "too good for me to write a replacement" category |
| 22:22.31 | blckdove | dev feels good in hand.. nice design |
| 22:22.32 | wurp2 | barely |
| 22:22.36 | kdean06 | blckdove, Congrats! I was so excited I photographed and documented the whole thing. :) |
| 22:22.38 | blckdove | have to update next |
| 22:22.59 | quicksand | wurp2: Yup. But improvements would be welcome. |
| 22:23.14 | wurp2 | and I don't think it makes very good use of screen real estate |
| 22:23.16 | kdean06 | blckdove, To answer your next question, I recommend the scaredycat images found -> http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/?M=D |
| 22:23.21 | kdean06 | :) |
| 22:23.54 | wurp2 | If I 'improve' it, I would probably write a python replacement |
| 22:24.23 | wurp2 | which would have a crappy startup time, but other than that I think could be quite nice |
| 22:24.53 | quicksand | wurp2: Screen usage is my major complaint with most of the software so far. The default GTK+ theme is ginormous. |
| 22:24.58 | kdean06 | wurp2, Hrm. I thought (don't know why) that the media player WAS python... |
| 22:25.24 | kdean06 | That is a good question though... |
| 22:25.25 | quicksand | I don't think so. |
| 22:25.36 | quicksand | Several on the desktop are. |
| 22:25.41 | blckdove | i saw from mailinglists that there is new u-boot available.. I have the debug board so I could aswell give that a try also |
| 22:25.47 | quicksand | (I forget which.) |
| 22:25.56 | wurp2 | One thing I want is to keep a list of all stuff on my home box, and let me queue new stuff up to download from the neo, and automatically do it when the home box is available |
| 22:26.06 | kdean06 | I know next to nothing about programming though I consider myself a quick learner. Is there a place that would be good for me to "start"? C/C++? Python? Something else? |
| 22:26.16 | wurp2 | and dump stuff that I already listened to at the same time, unless I marked it to keep |
| 22:26.18 | kdean06 | For OM development specifically, I mean. |
| 22:26.51 | wurp2 | I personally think python is the place to start |
| 22:27.07 | quicksand | Hoooo boy. Tall order. Start with the python tutorial and the pygtk tutorial would be my suggestion. |
| 22:27.23 | wurp2 | You can have a gui going in about 15 lines of code, and make it do 'stuff' (admittedly lame stuff) in 5 more |
| 22:27.28 | kdean06 | blckdove, I DON'T have a debug board and I flashed it without issue except for the distorted splash screen which is fixable. |
| 22:27.51 | wurp2 | blckdove: But, don't flash uboot unless your battery is FULLY charged |
| 22:28.08 | wurp2 | and preferably have a UPS ;-) |
| 22:28.26 | wurp2 | I have a little python gtk demo on my neo |
| 22:28.35 | blckdove | wurp2: thanks for the tip |
| 22:28.40 | wurp2 | unfortunately I can't network to my neo right now or I would email it to you |
| 22:28.51 | kdean06 | When you get a chance. :) |
| 22:28.53 | wurp2 | I have yet to flash my uboot |
| 22:28.56 | kdean06 | I'd be appreciative. |
| 22:29.01 | wurp2 | OK, will do |
| 22:29.14 | kdean06 | wurp2, It's scary but as likely to fail the actual flash as a kernel flash. |
| 22:29.18 | wurp2 | All it does is paste up one button that prints stuff to the terminal and exits when you push it |
| 22:29.18 | kdean06 | I've done it without a DB. :) |
| 22:29.32 | wurp2 | Yeah, I know the risk is low |
| 22:29.36 | blckdove | kdean06: actually my first qustion is: who co-ordinates the development and how can I contribute... something kernel level or midleware would be preferred |
| 22:29.37 | wurp2 | it's just that the cost is so high :-) |
| 22:29.56 | quicksand | kdean06: Start here http://docs.python.org/tut/ |
| 22:30.10 | kdean06 | blckdove, I can't answer that... I personally have seen very little "official" leadership in the project. |
| 22:30.11 | quicksand | Then this http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/index.html |
| 22:30.27 | quicksand | And read a bunch of other people's code. |
| 22:30.34 | kdean06 | But I might be looking in the wrong places. :P |
| 22:31.00 | blckdove | I was thinking something like UConnect support if i can find the docs |
| 22:31.02 | kdean06 | So that is two that say "Python", I take that's a good place to start. :) |
| 22:31.19 | blckdove | dunno if those are available tho |
| 22:32.57 | zedstar | Vala might be worth looking at also if u specifically want to develop on this platform |
| 22:33.20 | quicksand | kdean06: Yes, it's a good all-around language for learning and prototyping. On the Neo it starts up kinda slow (5-10 seconds, maybe, for a minimal GUI) but it runs well enough and you can pretty easily take a pygtk program and make it into a c program. |
| 22:33.32 | quicksand | Plus, no compiling. ;) |
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| 22:33.35 | wurp2 | well, it's important in the longer run to understand memory management, pointers, and order of magnitude stuff about performance |
| 22:33.52 | wurp2 | the latter you may already know (duh, it's slower to move a disk head or wait on the network than to run instructions) |
| 22:34.11 | wurp2 | but to get immediate feedback, and a straightforward language, python is the shit |
| 22:34.27 | ewon | it's typeless |
| 22:34.35 | ewon | finding bugs can be a fucking _nightmare_ |
| 22:34.49 | kdean06 | wurp2, I've got "some" programming experience (PHP) so concepts I grasp, and I've read a few C++ tutorials so I understand the basics, it's syntax and "best practice" that I lack. |
| 22:34.50 | ewon | it's great, you write your software really quick |
| 22:34.55 | ewon | and then spend a fucking age debugging it |
| 22:35.16 | kdean06 | Notice I quote. :) |
| 22:35.31 | zedstar | Scheme is great for rapid prototyping on the Neo and compiels to C also |
| 22:35.35 | wurp2 | ewon: True... |
| 22:35.56 | wurp2 | well, honestly I need to get a good book on Python 'idiom' myself |
| 22:36.19 | quicksand | I came at this from the opposite direction: C first, python later. My python programs all look like C. |
| 22:36.51 | quicksand | "classes, scope, WTF? Screw 'em!" |
| 22:37.36 | quicksand | But I'm old so YMMV. |
| 22:38.03 | zedstar | C programmers all tend to be of a certain age these days |
| 22:38.40 | ScaredyCat | what's that supposed to mean! |
| 22:39.01 | kdean06 | I think he means only old farts use C. |
| 22:39.04 | kdean06 | ;) |
| 22:39.07 | ScaredyCat | bleh |
| 22:39.08 | quicksand | At least I'm not a FORTRAN programmer. |
| 22:39.16 | ScaredyCat | python is stupid... |
| 22:39.22 | ScaredyCat | whitespace |
| 22:39.51 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: Dude, you're advocating a language that just yacks on you 20 minutes later when you forget to initialize a (pointer) variable |
| 22:40.19 | wurp2 | my position is, python & C both have their place |
| 22:40.21 | ScaredyCat | wurp2: so write it probperly the first time :) |
| 22:40.23 | quicksand | ScaredyCat: I hear you. The first time I had things one space out-of-line and it complained, I knew I'd have trouble getting along with it. |
| 22:40.42 | ewon | hey, I'ma C programmer |
| 22:40.49 | ewon | and I'm 25 |
| 22:40.49 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: That's great advice for 50 lines of code, or 1000 even |
| 22:40.55 | ScaredyCat | wurp2: yeah, python belongs on Windows PC's with VB |
| 22:41.03 | wurp2 | It's terrible for 4 million |
| 22:41.06 | wurp2 | or even 100,000 |
| 22:41.07 | ewon | also, syntactic whitespace == wrong |
| 22:41.23 | ScaredyCat | yeah, but noone writes 4 million lines of code in 1 sitting |
| 22:41.35 | wurp2 | ewon: Eh, it's not what I would choose, but it works |
| 22:41.42 | wurp2 | I do wish they disallowed tabs |
| 22:41.51 | ewon | wrong, so wrong. |
| 22:41.54 | wurp2 | as valid whitespace for line beginnings |
| 22:42.10 | wurp2 | I dunno, python's pretty |
| 22:42.15 | ewon | meh. |
| 22:42.18 | wurp2 | almost as a requirement |
| 22:42.28 | wurp2 | C is very often pretty damned ugly |
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| 22:42.32 | Mononoke | nah C++ is just best, you can f<> it in different ways |
| 22:42.37 | wurp2 | because one guy uses tabs, and another ' ' |
| 22:42.42 | wurp2 | I like C++ a lot |
| 22:43.08 | zedstar | functional programming rulez ;) |
| 22:43.10 | zedstar | it's the new black |
| 22:43.15 | wurp2 | If you put in all the effort up front to build a good baseline, you can be almost as safe as a python or Java with respect to getting decent error responses to error conditions |
| 22:43.32 | wurp2 | but no one ever puts in that effort |
| 22:43.36 | wurp2 | so it usually sucks :-/ |
| 22:43.56 | kdean06 | ScaredyCat, THIS whitespace? -> http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/whitespace/ |
| 22:44.34 | wurp2 | zedstar: I agree |
| 22:44.40 | wurp2 | It's too bad I mostly suck at it |
| 22:44.54 | zedstar | it takes time to grok functional programming properly but worth it |
| 22:45.02 | zedstar | i didnt understand it wheni did it at Uni |
| 22:45.09 | Mononoke | functional programing is just different model which is in these days too high > too abstract |
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| 22:45.40 | ScaredyCat | heheh kdean06 |
| 22:45.43 | wurp2 | I have done some sophisticated stuff with "functional programming" using C++ templates |
| 22:45.53 | wurp2 | but that's not the same thing... |
| 22:46.14 | bkruse_home | <---erlang. |
| 22:46.26 | wurp2 | I keep looking at Haskell |
| 22:46.29 | wurp2 | then backing off |
| 22:46.35 | wurp2 | I really have too much to do already :-/ |
| 22:46.39 | Mononoke | you have to understand that cpu arch is procedural, all you can do with it nowdays is to move to higer levels of abstraction.. |
| 22:46.57 | bkruse_home | wurp2: erlang. |
| 22:47.14 | ewon | a guy I know loves erlang |
| 22:47.16 | wurp2 | why erlang over Haskell? |
| 22:47.29 | ewon | that said, the same dude writes patches for emacs in his spare time |
| 22:47.58 | bkruse_home | ewon: what is his name?! |
| 22:48.00 | bkruse_home | lol |
| 22:48.07 | ewon | bkruse_home: John Sturdy |
| 22:48.16 | zedstar | ive ported Chicken Scheme to the Neo and tonyg has ported Erlang |
| 22:48.16 | bkruse_home | I have a VERY similar friend named Matthew ogorman |
| 22:48.17 | bkruse_home | lol |
| 22:48.20 | kdean06 | Different emacs patcher. :) |
| 22:48.22 | ewon | heh :) |
| 22:48.29 | zedstar | so some good options for functional stuff |
| 22:48.33 | ewon | someone ported erlang? sick |
| 22:48.36 | bkruse_home | erlang seriously rocks for high availibility |
| 22:48.43 | ewon | agreed |
| 22:48.49 | bkruse_home | like, wow. yaws vs apache2? not even compition |
| 22:49.05 | bkruse_home | it scales SO well, it is incredible, its HA and clustering almost completely abstracted |
| 22:49.39 | bkruse_home | i am learning it, but first, gtk iax2 client for moko... |
| 22:50.01 | zedstar | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:TonyGarnockJones |
| 22:50.06 | zedstar | erlang on the neo |
| 22:50.11 | zash_ | coul |
| 22:50.44 | univac | so we can run ejabberd |
| 22:50.45 | univac | :D |
| 22:51.19 | bkruse_home | lol |
| 22:51.23 | zedstar | Scheme on the Neo |
| 22:51.25 | zedstar | http://zedstar.org/blog/2007/11/07/latest-chicken-scheme-packaged-for-openmoko/ |
| 22:51.35 | bkruse_home | its just a cross-compile right? |
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| 22:52.35 | zedstar | someone can do Haskell now |
| 22:54.12 | wurp2 | TonyGarnockJones can't be all bad |
| 22:54.25 | wurp2 | he uses darcs for his source control |
| 22:54.25 | bkruse_home | zedstar: you did scheme? |
| 22:54.38 | wurp2 | it's written in Haskell ;-) by a physicist |
| 22:54.41 | bkruse_home | zedstar: did you just cross compile and package it? how hard is it? |
| 22:54.42 | zedstar | i maintain the openmoko port yeh bkruse |
| 22:54.45 | wurp2 | so there's two things it has going for it |
| 22:56.28 | bkruse_home | zedstar: was it a configure cross-compile? Or is it more involved |
| 22:56.44 | zedstar | bkruse well fairly messy....it is documented though to some degree here http://galinha.ucpel.tche.br:8080/cross-compilation |
| 22:57.00 | zedstar | not autotools no |
| 22:57.35 | zedstar | so i adapted that to my openmoko cross tools |
| 22:58.43 | kdean06 | http://www.deviceguru.com/2008/01/23/new-linux-flash-filesystem-offers-4x-speed/ |
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| 22:59.25 | kdean06 | Oops. :S |
| 22:59.39 | bkruse_home | gotcha, zedstar, nice |
| 22:59.46 | bkruse_home | ty |
| 23:00.07 | zedstar | i packages the run time library and interpreter so u can instal and phone and have fun in a REPL |
| 23:00.13 | loca|host | any idea for the FreeRunner future price |
| 23:00.37 | wurp2 | 4 billion lyra |
| 23:01.19 | loca|host | :) |
| 23:01.43 | loca|host | i saw no clustering in it |
| 23:01.48 | wurp2 | which is my lame way of saying, it seems no one knows |
| 23:01.57 | loca|host | should it do some virtualisation ? |
| 23:02.08 | wurp2 | I would guess somewhere around $400 US, but that's a wild guess |
| 23:02.13 | zash_ | 450 for base and 600 for adv? |
| 23:02.15 | zash_ | usd |
| 23:02.27 | wurp2 | zash_: Has that been announced? |
| 23:02.47 | zash_ | it said so somewhere |
| 23:02.50 | zash_ | like the wiki |
| 23:03.01 | kdean06 | Yeah, that's been the numbers since the beginning. |
| 23:03.24 | zash_ | is the collective memory here that bad? |
| 23:03.34 | kdean06 | Though, as we know, FIC and "numbers" have a weird way of interacting. |
| 23:03.42 | wurp2 | wow, I missed that altogether somehow |
| 23:04.02 | kdean06 | wurp2, Did you know the GTA01Bv4 Advanced dropped to $399 USD? |
| 23:04.03 | kdean06 | :P |
| 23:04.32 | wurp2 | nope, caught that one |
| 23:04.38 | wurp2 | I don't think I want a JTAG board though |
| 23:04.46 | wurp2 | I don't plan to fiddle with hardware |
| 23:04.52 | kdean06 | That's what I said! |
| 23:04.59 | kdean06 | But I regret it now. :( |
| 23:05.02 | wurp2 | and I'll just hold off on uboot updates until I actually need a new feature |
| 23:05.04 | wurp2 | I don't yet |
| 23:05.10 | wurp2 | (regret it, that is) |
| 23:07.59 | wurp2 | wow |
| 23:08.01 | wurp2 | http://www.chocolate-agency.com/en/en.swf |
| 23:08.06 | wurp2 | check out the cuffs |
| 23:08.17 | wurp2 | if those are real, that's some amazing stuff! |
| 23:09.04 | blckdove | exitement is in the roof.. flashing rootfs |
| 23:10.50 | wurp2 | :-( they're only concept |
| 23:13.01 | blckdove | im expecting my dev did not ship with the latest GSP chip update |
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| 23:14.08 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 23:14.09 | wurp2 | blckdove: u mean gsm update? |
| 23:14.19 | blckdove | yes.. oops |
| 23:14.23 | SpeedEvil | none will till gta02 |
| 23:14.24 | blckdove | gsp even |
| 23:14.28 | blckdove | gsm |
| 23:14.30 | blckdove | oh man |
| 23:14.30 | SpeedEvil | freerunner |
| 23:14.52 | SpeedEvil | oh - thought you meant gps |
| 23:14.58 | wurp2 | you can mail it to Michael Shiloh |
| 23:15.05 | wurp2 | You almost certainly didn't get th eupdate |
| 23:15.09 | wurp2 | I didn't |
| 23:15.19 | wurp2 | It took 2 weeks round trip for me |
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| 23:16.25 | zedstar | michael is a dude |
| 23:16.43 | wurp2 | ? |
| 23:16.47 | blckdove | did the update include any powersave updates for the chip? or just the sertain carrier card fix? |
| 23:16.59 | wurp2 | Oh, he was very polite, and I know he had a TON to do |
| 23:17.19 | wurp2 | I am simply reporting the time. It is a fact that it took 2 weeks from the time I mailed it to him until I got it back. |
| 23:17.32 | wurp2 | Just SIM cards, I'm pretty sure |
| 23:17.41 | blckdove | ok |
| 23:18.06 | blckdove | lets see if my t-mobile prepaid is going to work |
| 23:18.16 | wurp2 | gotta go, later! |
| 23:18.26 | wurp2 | kdean06: I'll try to remember to mail you those scripts when I get home |
| 23:18.44 | zedstar | nite wurp |
| 23:18.54 | kdean06 | Thanks |
| 23:19.25 | kdean06 | ScaredyCat, Okay, I don't know how I missed this but I don't have sound either. :) Any hints? |
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| 23:34.38 | zedstar | anyone read that mailing list post about gps patent thing? |
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| 23:35.52 | raster | ugh |
| 23:35.57 | raster | dont remind me of patents |
| 23:36.01 | kdean06 | lol |
| 23:36.01 | zedstar | lol |
| 23:36.09 | raster | patents -> the ultimate innovation inhibitor |
| 23:36.09 | kdean06 | Greetings rabble |
| 23:36.12 | kdean06 | Crap. |
| 23:36.12 | zedstar | made me chuckle that patent |
| 23:36.21 | raster | i just dont want to know |
| 23:36.25 | raster | dont tell me about patents |
| 23:36.27 | zedstar | read it u will laugh |
| 23:36.37 | Mononoke | link? |
| 23:36.40 | raster | technically if u violate a patent "with knowledge" u are they are entitled to triple damages |
| 23:36.43 | raster | thus ignorace is bliss |
| 23:36.57 | raster | so SHHHHHHH! |
| 23:37.13 | raster | away ye demons of patent revealing evilness! |
| 23:37.19 | kdean06 | Anyone know of a locality where patenting the idea of patent trolling would be acceptable? |
| 23:37.44 | zedstar | link to the the blog post in the email http://whydoeseverythingsuck.com/2008/01/are-apple-rim-and-google-all.html |
| 23:39.20 | ewon | lawl |
| 23:39.39 | raster | doesnt matyter |
| 23:39.51 | raster | the US economy is about to collapse |
| 23:39.59 | raster | hopefulyl all software patent impetus with it |
| 23:40.39 | raster | if there's got to be a silver lining to the poo-bucket the us economy is in - then this is a good one |
| 23:40.40 | raster | :) |
| 23:41.13 | zedstar | yeh hope u not got yahoo shares ;) |
| 23:41.22 | raster | i dont |
| 23:41.22 | raster | :) |
| 23:41.44 | raster | i've cunningly put my finances in currencies and countries not based on the us dollar :) |
| 23:41.57 | stefan_schmidt | raster: God idea |
| 23:42.00 | stefan_schmidt | good |
| 23:42.17 | stefan_schmidt | raster: Just think about that I get 10000USD for 1 EUR. ;) |
| 23:42.32 | zedstar | the pound is ok until we run out of north sea oil :) |
| 23:42.36 | raster | stefan_schmidt: hahaha |
| 23:42.37 | raster | nmo |
| 23:42.41 | raster | the american peso |
| 23:43.16 | stefan_schmidt | raster: :D |
| 23:43.32 | zedstar | then we will join the euro of course! |
| 23:43.43 | ewon | we don't want you |
| 23:43.46 | raster | zedstar: yeah. thats just a question of time |
| 23:43.50 | ewon | you had your chance |
| 23:43.52 | stefan_schmidt | raster: I thought about buying all my stuff in USD currency. Even with taxes and shipping it could be cheaper. ;) |
| 23:44.02 | raster | heck |
| 23:44.13 | raster | even .ch is making overtures about getting closer with the EU |
| 23:44.17 | raster | that says something |
| 23:44.25 | zedstar | ewon i wanted to join long time ago |
| 23:44.29 | raster | syef it is - generally |
| 23:46.42 | zedstar | what is it raster? |
| 23:46.43 | Stephmw | "what is it? |
| 23:46.53 | raster | ah widjitz |
| 23:46.59 | Stephmw | ... hmm, poor machine is struggling under the load |
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| 23:53.35 | raster | slidesel it shall be |
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| 23:57.14 | blckdove | ha it almost worked |
| 23:57.39 | blckdove | SMS sending works... phone call works but I cant hear nor can the other end |
| 23:58.22 | kdean06 | Yeah, I'm getting that today as well. |
| 23:58.26 | zedstar | your sms bill gonna be big |
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