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| 01:21.02 | shriphani | are there python projects in openmoko ? |
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| 01:29.52 | balrog-kun | yep |
| 01:31.49 | shriphani | balrog-kun, like ? |
| 01:32.24 | balrog-kun | shriphani: i think there's a dialer and a messaging program in python |
| 01:32.36 | balrog-kun | see project.openmoko.org |
| 01:32.46 | balrog-kun | oops, rather projects.openmoko.org |
| 01:32.58 | shriphani | ok |
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| 01:53.20 | `pwgen` | http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=python-openmoko |
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| 02:57.12 | sparq | Damn. I found exactly the adapter board I need, but I can't find a US vendor. |
| 02:57.39 | sparq | Anyone planning on traveling from Taiwan to the US anytime soon? ;_; |
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| 03:12.24 | raster | sparq: ?ll be doing the reverse |
| 03:12.25 | raster | :) |
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| 03:26.21 | roh | hm.. wasnt it backwards for some stuff? means getting it in taiwan was comlicated |
| 03:26.25 | roh | +p |
| 03:26.29 | roh | hi there btw ;) |
| 03:34.21 | sparq | D'oh! |
| 03:35.07 | sparq | I found a vendor in the UK, but that's not really any better |
| 03:36.11 | sparq | hey roh |
| 03:37.26 | roh | i'll be in taipeh soon, but surely not setting a foot inside the us ;) |
| 03:38.45 | sparq | Blast. |
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| 03:42.42 | sparq | ABLY-TECH makes *exactly* what I need -- it's the PA-CF18H part on http://www.ably.com.tw/ |
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| 03:50.09 | bkruse_home | hey guys, the toolchain....is it up to date with the moko? what If I have to compile a third party library? |
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| 03:51.57 | balrog-kun | aren't there daily snapshots of the toolchain? |
| 03:52.05 | balrog-kun | i'm off anyway |
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| 04:17.31 | bkruse_home | oh...didnt know it worked like that |
| 04:19.48 | bkruse_home | would the snapshot .jffs2 be ok to install for a stable system |
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| 07:13.11 | bkruse_home | anyone? :[ |
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| 07:23.09 | kristian-m | bkruse_home you should try - I have a build from last week running, it works fine |
| 07:23.38 | bkruse_home | anyone have experience with alsa and moko? |
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| 07:23.56 | bkruse_home | kristian-m: have you ever built an application to access it? |
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| 07:58.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1195 has been created by sean_chiang(AT)openmoko.com |
| 07:58.01 | cdbot2 | * * gsmd can't pass pressure testing |
| 07:58.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1195 |
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| 08:29.06 | worldwarZ | how do you build the gdbserver package? |
| 08:29.11 | worldwarZ | with bitbake? |
| 08:29.22 | worldwarZ | or MokoMakefile? |
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| 08:37.30 | FuzzyCat | is tere still an issue with openembedded.org dns |
| 08:37.36 | FuzzyCat | is there still an issue with openembedded.org dns |
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| 08:43.30 | TRIsoft | morning |
| 08:44.16 | FuzzyCat | nin |
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| 08:51.14 | FuzzyCat | 85.214.40.226 |
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| 08:54.06 | kristian-m | bkruse what do you mean with "to access it"? |
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| 09:07.55 | worldwarZ | can anyone help me regarding installing gdb in OpenMoko under QEMU? |
| 09:08.22 | worldwarZ | please? |
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| 09:10.24 | kristian-m | worldwarZ ipkg -i gdb is not working? |
| 09:11.11 | worldwarZ | kristian-m can one use ipkg to install things in QEMU? |
| 09:11.43 | kristian-m | worldwarZ why not? |
| 09:11.57 | worldwarZ | don't know, i'll try |
| 09:12.02 | kristian-m | worldwarZ would you mind to change you're nickname? |
| 09:12.25 | worldwarZ | yes, what's wrong with it? |
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| 09:17.34 | worldwarZ | would you prefer chickenballZ ? |
| 09:17.41 | worldwarZ | or powerpuffgirlZ? |
| 09:18.02 | Gottox | or even worse Zfs :) |
| 09:18.27 | FuzzyCat | don't mention the war ? |
| 09:20.39 | kristian-m | FuzzyCat that's not the point - there are other ways to object to militaristm then to call himself "war" |
| 09:21.28 | FuzzyCat | I was more interested in *your* objection to his nick ... :) |
| 09:21.56 | kristian-m | FuzzyCat i want to talk to people without thinking that they may be idiots |
| 09:22.02 | worldwarZ | you know what, i had no bad intentions when i chose this nick |
| 09:22.18 | worldwarZ | so please let's not start a discussion about the war |
| 09:22.20 | kristian-m | so what was your intention then? |
| 09:22.21 | FuzzyCat | kristian-m: but.. but.. you're on the internet |
| 09:22.32 | kristian-m | FuzzyCat :) |
| 09:22.56 | worldwarZ | no intention, it was a nick for the nick's sake |
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| 09:39.36 | josch | netsplit!! \o/ |
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| 09:43.39 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 10:13.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1196 has been created by kristian(AT)mput.de |
| 10:13.02 | cdbot2 | * * SCM Tree on Project Overview page not showing stat |
| 10:13.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1196 |
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| 10:35.49 | poffy | DYNAMIC ENTRY |
| 10:36.58 | zash_ | Project Overlord |
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| 10:43.43 | cesarb | There sure has been a lot of these netsplits lately |
| 10:43.43 | FuzzyCat | it's mice, they eat the wires |
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| 10:45.11 | zash_ | mice ate my intertubes |
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| 10:59.29 | FuzzyCat | you'd better see a doctor |
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| 11:13.32 | Atul_ | Hi all |
| 11:13.56 | Atul_ | I got error while executing AT Commands unable to handle packet type=2 |
| 11:13.59 | Atul_ | why so ? |
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| 11:56.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1197 has been created by ebbe(AT)skummer.com |
| 11:56.01 | cdbot2 | * * Some messages are to high |
| 11:56.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1197 |
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| 12:18.25 | CIA-9 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r57 10/trunk/software/py-proto/ (8 files): |
| 12:18.25 | CIA-9 | freesmartphone.org: various bug-fixes |
| 12:18.25 | CIA-9 | freesmartphone.org: sample & docs improved |
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| 12:27.10 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03chris * r3938 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-launcher/ (20 files in 3 dirs): Check-in (completely untested, probably doesn't work yet and missing launcher) |
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| 12:33.54 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03chris * r3939 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-launcher/ (ChangeLog src/Makefile.am src/launcher-main.c): |
| 12:33.54 | CIA-9 | openmoko: * src/Makefile.am: |
| 12:33.54 | CIA-9 | openmoko: * src/launcher-main.c: (main): |
| 12:33.54 | CIA-9 | openmoko: Fix building and make task manager work |
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| 12:39.17 | CIA-9 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r58 10/trunk/software/py-proto/ (gsm_sample.py pygsmd.py): added info (last issued command) to error() method |
| 12:39.55 | xcasex | ~TNT |
| 12:39.56 | apt | Emacs Clients for the AOL Instant Messenger service. URL: http://brokendreams.dyndns.com/tnt/ |
| 12:40.02 | xcasex | o.O |
| 12:40.10 | xcasex | ~yomama |
| 12:40.12 | zash_ | srsly |
| 12:40.16 | xcasex | lol |
| 12:40.17 | zash_ | ~orly |
| 12:40.18 | apt | YARLY |
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| 12:53.07 | RedDog | somebody knows, what's up with openembedded.org? |
| 12:53.57 | balrog-kun | i heard about some issues with the dns |
| 12:54.05 | balrog-kun | don't remember exactly |
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| 12:58.41 | CIA-9 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r59 10/trunk/software/py-proto/gsm_sample.py: enhanced the formatting of the doc for our friends of aesthetics |
| 13:02.58 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03chris * r3940 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-launcher/ (ChangeLog src/Makefile.am src/launcher-main.c src/launcher.h): |
| 13:02.58 | CIA-9 | openmoko: * src/Makefile.am: |
| 13:02.58 | CIA-9 | openmoko: * src/launcher-main.c: (item_added_cb), (item_removed_cb), (main): |
| 13:02.58 | CIA-9 | openmoko: * src/launcher.h: |
| 13:02.58 | CIA-9 | openmoko: Add app launcher |
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| 13:19.06 | richard | hi, does anyone know anything about sending ussd from the terminal on the neo1973? |
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| 14:05.36 | miha | can someone give me an SVN revision number of the OpenMoko toochain |
| 14:05.58 | miha | one earlier that say, december 2007? |
| 14:06.07 | miha | please? |
| 14:06.19 | zash_ | cant you do checkouts by date? |
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| 14:07.43 | zash_ | svn checkout urlandstuff -r '{2007-11-01}' |
| 14:07.46 | zash_ | or iduno |
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| 14:09.58 | miha | if you could give me a revision number i would appreciate... |
| 14:10.48 | miha | wait, i think this could work too |
| 14:10.50 | miha | thanks |
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| 14:14.18 | hrw | does someone know how much time does English service has for warranty repair? |
| 14:14.36 | FuzzyCat | ? |
| 14:14.58 | FuzzyCat | you mean by law how long they are allowed to take? |
| 14:15.13 | hrw | yes |
| 14:15.14 | FuzzyCat | or the minimum warranty period? |
| 14:16.40 | FuzzyCat | checking |
| 14:16.41 | hrw | how long repair can take |
| 14:16.43 | hrw | thx |
| 14:17.38 | FuzzyCat | mmm.. 'a reasonable amount of time' |
| 14:18.15 | FuzzyCat | so I'd say <6 weeks dependant on the item... I'll try locate a more definate answer |
| 14:18.21 | hrw | thx again |
| 14:19.38 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03chris * r3941 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (ChangeLog src/today-utils.c src/today-utils.h): |
| 14:19.38 | CIA-9 | openmoko: * src/today-utils.c: |
| 14:19.38 | CIA-9 | openmoko: * src/today-utils.h: |
| 14:19.38 | CIA-9 | openmoko: Remove unused includes |
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| 14:25.17 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03chris * r3942 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-launcher/src/ (8 files): You can't svn:externals files :( |
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| 14:26.22 | FuzzyCat | mm.. I can't finad a reference to a timeframe... |
| 14:26.54 | FuzzyCat | you can allways go through small claims court, it's cheap and quick |
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| 14:59.59 | spydon | Lo ppl |
| 15:05.10 | spydon | It was a long time since the last community update, shall I interpret that to that you are very busy developing freerunner? :P |
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| 15:16.15 | miha | my boss is arguing with my other boss |
| 15:16.34 | maito | how many bosses do you have? |
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| 15:17.01 | miha | only two but they argue all the time |
| 15:17.13 | maito | heh |
| 15:17.20 | maito | about what? |
| 15:17.59 | miha | about whether it is polite or annoying to ask someone what is he working at |
| 15:18.37 | maito | oh, sorry :) |
| 15:19.07 | zedstar | sounds like too many chiefs! |
| 15:19.38 | miha | yes, they are of the same opinion... |
| 15:19.43 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r3943 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (4 files in 4 dirs): gsmd: query network registration status (Erin Yueh) |
| 15:19.53 | miha | but regarding the other one, not themselves |
| 15:26.02 | Ebbe | How do I find the latest known working u-boot? |
| 15:26.18 | Ebbe | I don't have a debug-board but want to update u-boot |
| 15:26.46 | Ebbe | So I need to know that it works |
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| 16:00.39 | Vegar | Ebbe: mickeyl announced a uboot version on one of the MLs a while ago |
| 16:02.29 | Vegar | Ebbe: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/device-owners/2008-January/001069.html |
| 16:02.48 | Vegar | Ebbe: read the replies to that mail before you decide to flash it |
| 16:03.20 | Ebbe | Vegar: Tried it, but had some error, that it wan't compatible or something.. |
| 16:03.31 | Vegar | oh |
| 16:03.35 | Vegar | that sounds strange |
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| 16:08.15 | Kekcuk | http://lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139657817 It's game!! If you enter this page you will vote for me!!(thanks too all who enter this page) |
| 16:09.43 | FuzzyCat | go away you spam monkey |
| 16:09.57 | spydon | freakin spammers... :P |
| 16:12.13 | zedstar | yeh or at least givus some decent porn links ;) |
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| 16:13.37 | spydon | hehe he got k-lined ^^ |
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| 16:20.58 | `pwgen` | is it normal ? I had to reboot openmoko before i can do calls ? |
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| 16:21.47 | Stephmw | hey guys - I'm going to have to get a laptop for a imminent contract and I was wondering what kind of specs I should be looking at for OM/OE/Qt/etc development.... model recommendations welcome ;) |
| 16:23.29 | mickeyl | well |
| 16:23.31 | mickeyl | (biased) |
| 16:23.36 | mickeyl | there's only one model |
| 16:23.36 | mickeyl | really |
| 16:23.40 | mickeyl | or vendor, actually |
| 16:23.50 | Stephmw | something I can carry without needing a lorry? |
| 16:23.55 | mickeyl | the thinkpads are still _the_ choice |
| 16:24.07 | mickeyl | x61 as subnotebook |
| 16:24.14 | mickeyl | less than 1.5kilo |
| 16:24.33 | alphaone | mickeyl: Hey, fed up with your macbook already? |
| 16:24.40 | mickeyl | or if you need large screen |
| 16:24.40 | mickeyl | a t model |
| 16:24.40 | mickeyl | haha |
| 16:24.42 | mickeyl | actually |
| 16:24.46 | mickeyl | i only used it for like 60 minuts |
| 16:24.49 | mickeyl | can't tell for sure |
| 16:24.55 | alphaone | ;-) |
| 16:25.01 | mickeyl | but for linux development, the thinkpads still r o c k |
| 16:25.06 | Stephmw | I'm likely to spend the best part of the next year working from it ;) |
| 16:25.12 | Sup3rkiddo | dell xps m1330? |
| 16:25.14 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: Looking forward to X300 |
| 16:25.23 | mickeyl | stefan_schmidt: indeed. i'm watching this as well |
| 16:25.33 | Stephmw | Sup3rkiddo: cost is somewhat of an issue ;) |
| 16:25.43 | mickeyl | stefan_schmidt: unfortunately Sabine won't allow any new devices for at least 6 months now :/ |
| 16:25.44 | Stephmw | Sup3rkiddo: cheaper I can get away with means more money in my pocket from the contract |
| 16:25.46 | alphaone | Though the X300 is a bit big... |
| 16:25.57 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: hehehe |
| 16:26.03 | Sup3rkiddo | Stephmw, whoa...its cheap here |
| 16:26.10 | mickeyl | i mean it's nuts, i _work_ with these things |
| 16:26.16 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: Only for children |
| 16:26.21 | mickeyl | but she insists on "you have enough. period" |
| 16:26.25 | mickeyl | *sigh* |
| 16:26.30 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: You need an office outside of your flat. :) |
| 16:26.41 | mickeyl | stefan_schmidt: that's where OpenMoko Germany comes into play again ;) |
| 16:26.50 | alphaone | mickeyl: Hehe ;-) |
| 16:26.56 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: But if she would not stop you, you would buy them all. ;) |
| 16:27.01 | mickeyl | indeed |
| 16:27.09 | mickeyl | we would be broke at the end of the year |
| 16:27.18 | Sup3rkiddo | btw, no one has done work for translating OM apps right...there are some subtle issues to take care, i have a guy who wants to work on indic stuff..suggestions from all ye experts |
| 16:27.19 | mickeyl | so it's good she's keeping the money together |
| 16:27.19 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: I really wondered you were not interested in the chumby |
| 16:27.21 | alphaone | But rich on gadgets |
| 16:27.38 | mickeyl | Sup3rkiddo: GNU gettext way, intltool, .po files |
| 16:27.55 | mickeyl | stefan_schmidt: one of my sane days ;) |
| 16:28.07 | mickeyl | yesterday i almost bought a new font for 300 EUR |
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| 16:28.13 | mickeyl | stopped in the last minute |
| 16:28.15 | mickeyl | *phew* |
| 16:28.15 | Sup3rkiddo | mickeyl, yep, but are there any special guidelines sort of things |
| 16:28.18 | alphaone | A *font*? |
| 16:28.27 | mickeyl | yes, a font |
| 16:28.30 | mickeyl | fonts are expensive |
| 16:28.31 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: Wait until you see it. We make sure to bring it with us when we meet the next time :) |
| 16:28.31 | alphaone | Like this one? |
| 16:28.36 | stefan_schmidt | *evilgrin* |
| 16:28.38 | Sup3rkiddo | ..for openmoko especially |
| 16:28.48 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: Only you wont be there.... |
| 16:28.55 | mickeyl | Sup3rkiddo: not really. we're using the standard GNU / GNOME way of internationalizing apps |
| 16:29.04 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: grr, right |
| 16:29.19 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: Still 300EUR is cheap for a font |
| 16:29.20 | mickeyl | I'm the sun of a typographer |
| 16:29.22 | mickeyl | I _love_ fonts |
| 16:29.27 | FuzzyCat | sun ? |
| 16:29.31 | mickeyl | oops |
| 16:29.35 | mickeyl | son even |
| 16:29.38 | FuzzyCat | :P |
| 16:29.39 | mickeyl | ;) |
| 16:29.40 | cjb_ie | sunbeams? |
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| 16:29.56 | alphaone | mickeyl: Heh. That's always your excuse |
| 16:30.05 | Sup3rkiddo | ah yeah....but just wondering, some strings in some languages are special cases |
| 16:30.10 | mickeyl | alphaone: mmmh... is it _that_ obvious? :D |
| 16:30.14 | FuzzyCat | who mentioned chumby |
| 16:30.48 | kdean06 | O_o |
| 16:30.48 | alphaone | mickeyl: ;-) |
| 16:30.48 | FuzzyCat | stupid us only geek toy |
| 16:30.48 | kdean06 | Sup3rkiddo, You'e kidding, right? |
| 16:30.48 | alphaone | FuzzyCat: I got one |
| 16:30.48 | stefan_schmidt | FuzzyCat: We have 4 in .de |
| 16:30.48 | FuzzyCat | !!!! |
| 16:30.52 | FuzzyCat | I thought htey were classed as munitions... |
| 16:30.54 | stefan_schmidt | FuzzyCat: You need an US proxy |
| 16:31.04 | kdean06 | http://bancomicsans.com/home.html |
| 16:31.17 | FuzzyCat | yeah, but yours just got on the watch list stefan_schmidt |
| 16:31.18 | alphaone | FuzzyCat: https://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/gallery/chumby/index.html |
| 16:31.19 | Sup3rkiddo | :P |
| 16:31.23 | mickeyl | kdean06: hehe, fun |
| 16:31.35 | stefan_schmidt | FuzzyCat: They spy on my mobile already |
| 16:31.51 | FuzzyCat | chumbytastic! |
| 16:32.01 | stefan_schmidt | Just one day battery life. And it is not the neo |
| 16:32.02 | kdean06 | mickeyl, Ever seen the movie "Helvetica"? |
| 16:32.15 | FuzzyCat | lol OM on a chumby |
| 16:32.15 | mickeyl | kdean06: no. there's a movie about that stupid thing? |
| 16:32.22 | mickeyl | helvetica is so overused |
| 16:32.24 | mickeyl | it's not fun |
| 16:32.28 | mickeyl | disgusting |
| 16:32.39 | kdean06 | My wife is a digital prepress technician with quite a bit of litho, flexo and grevure (sp?) so the passion has kind of bleed onto me. :) |
| 16:32.51 | mickeyl | kdean06: aaah. good choice :) |
| 16:33.02 | FuzzyCat | is the number of colours really limited stefan_schmidt ? |
| 16:33.10 | kdean06 | Helvetica is about the typeface, yeah. But in general, it's "fair" including those who use "ABH". :) |
| 16:33.42 | stefan_schmidt | FuzzyCat: Ask alphaone. He and Shoragan are the master of these devices. I just use it atm |
| 16:33.58 | stefan_schmidt | FuzzyCat: But it's more a fb driver problem |
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| 16:34.17 | alphaone | FuzzyCat: At the moment it looks like fb driver problem, yes. |
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| 16:34.28 | alphaone | Also opie seems to run fine. |
| 16:34.40 | alphaone | (I.e. no colour distortion) |
| 16:35.25 | FuzzyCat | :D |
| 16:35.51 | alphaone | mickeyl: Oh master of opie! Can you tell me what opie does differently from kdrive that on the chumby one has distorted colors and the other doesn't? |
| 16:37.00 | mickeyl | hah |
| 16:37.01 | mickeyl | master of opie |
| 16:37.08 | mickeyl | no one called me that for like 3 years or so |
| 16:37.11 | mickeyl | ok |
| 16:37.14 | mickeyl | if i recall |
| 16:37.14 | alphaone | :-) |
| 16:37.35 | mickeyl | qt/embedded usually drives the framebuffer in one mode |
| 16:37.39 | mickeyl | 565rgb or what |
| 16:37.49 | mickeyl | if that's not matching, you need to patch |
| 16:37.53 | mickeyl | but honestly |
| 16:37.57 | mickeyl | what are you doing with Opie? |
| 16:37.58 | mickeyl | Opie is dead |
| 16:38.52 | alphaone | mickeyl: I'm not! |
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| 16:38.54 | alphaone | http://forum.chumby.com/viewtopic.php?pid=8551#p8551 |
| 16:39.20 | alphaone | Just watched the video and noticed that there the colours are indeed fine. |
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| 16:40.06 | mickeyl | alphaone: oh strange. are you using the same kernel as the other guys? |
| 16:40.52 | alphaone | mickeyl: That's what he says, yeah |
| 16:41.05 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 16:41.09 | mickeyl | same hw rev:? |
| 16:43.35 | alphaone | That I don't know, but I suspect it. |
| 16:44.04 | alphaone | I doubt my kernel would work on different hw revisions |
| 16:44.13 | mickeyl | hmm, i'M afraid then I'm out of ideas |
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| 16:46.43 | amarsh04 | totally ot question: are there any countries still using cdma where you can bring your own handset and get it registered? I have two working cdma handsets that are worthless in .au that I'd rather see put to use rather than accumulate as landfill |
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| 16:54.18 | ronr | hi, I just install openmoko on my qtek 9000, at first look, it is what I've been looking for, but some things aren't working quite yet. I try to get wifi working and iwconfig output looks ok, but /etc/init.d/networking restart won't give an IP and I there doesn't appear to be a dhclient (so I could do dhclient wlan0), how do I configure my wifi? |
| 16:54.39 | Stephmw | mickeyl: found a good thinkpad resource, thanks for the suggestion, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:Models |
| 16:55.03 | ronr | more on the subject of configuration, am I supposed to just edit /etc/ or are there any config tools (gui) in openmoke (that I for now just can't find) |
| 16:55.30 | mickeyl | Stephmw: np |
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| 16:55.57 | balrog-kun | ronr: i suggest writing to the list about the lack of dhclient |
| 16:56.35 | ronr | balrog-kun: ok, so it's supposed to be there |
| 16:56.39 | pH5 | ronr: try udhcpc |
| 16:57.24 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3944 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/configure.ac: opkg: add configure check for libgpgme |
| 16:58.28 | ronr | pH5: great thanks!! I'm successfully pinging google now :) |
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| 17:50.34 | PBeck | hi |
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| 17:55.23 | bkruse | what alsa lib does the dialer app build against? |
| 17:55.36 | bkruse | could anyone give me an ldd of the dialer app please? (Do not have my neo with me :[ ) |
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| 18:04.27 | bkruse | Anyone run ipkg install ldd; sh /usr/bin/ldd path/to/dialer/app |
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| 18:07.20 | kristian-m | bkruse https://nopaste.eof.name/393 |
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| 18:08.21 | bkruse | kristian-m: yay! |
| 18:10.38 | kristian-m | bkruse sry for the delay ;) |
| 18:10.59 | bkruse | kristian-m: interesting...nothing about alsa |
| 18:11.12 | bkruse | what lib does the dialer use for binding to audio? HMM |
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| 18:11.57 | wurp2 | Can you send sound to alsa on openmoko at the same time that pulseaudio is playing sound? |
| 18:12.24 | wurp2 | I thought alsa handled playing sound from multiple apps at once, but I have to kill pulseaudio to get sound to play from mplayer |
| 18:12.26 | bkruse | probably not, pulseaudio will have a lock on /dev/dsp most likely |
| 18:12.52 | kristian-m | wurp2 sometimes it workes sometimes not. |
| 18:13.16 | wurp2 | So if I want to lose the (apparent) cpu hogging of pulseaudio (which causes brief pauses in mp3 playback), I have to lose e.g. the ability to hear my phone ring? |
| 18:13.31 | kristian-m | wurp2 right |
| 18:13.32 | wurp2 | and hear the person I'm talking to, etc. |
| 18:13.40 | wurp2 | kristian-m: Bummer! |
| 18:13.47 | kristian-m | wurp2 that's why you should use pulseaudio then |
| 18:13.51 | mjr | actually not the latter one |
| 18:14.01 | bkruse | kristian-m: do you know what library the dialer uses for audio |
| 18:14.05 | bkruse | this is really puzzling me |
| 18:14.20 | wurp2 | Is anyone looking into making pulseaudio use less cpu? |
| 18:14.31 | kristian-m | nop, no idea - i only have a data-plan |
| 18:14.40 | wurp2 | Audio playback (once it's decompressed) seems it should be very low CPU |
| 18:14.50 | bkruse | kristian-m: can you ldd pulseaudio also? |
| 18:14.55 | kristian-m | wurp2 i just stop it ;-) |
| 18:15.04 | kristian-m | bkruse hold on a sec |
| 18:15.12 | bkruse | kristian-m: thansk thanks :] |
| 18:15.24 | bkruse | wurp2: if the codec is optimized for i386/x86/x86_64 then running on an arm system could make it more processor intensive |
| 18:15.44 | kristian-m | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.23 | wurp2 | bkruse: Maybe that's the answer, then, to start a branch of pulseaudio (or embed switches in the code) to make it more ARM friendly |
| 18:16.43 | bkruse | right right |
| 18:16.45 | mjr | the dialer (as far as talking goes) just sets the mixer to feed audio mic->gsm chip->earpiece |
| 18:16.52 | bkruse | a LOT of codecs have optiimzations for CPU's |
| 18:17.04 | bkruse | codec_gsm for example, has many x86 based optimizations |
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| 18:17.22 | wurp2 | The first step might be just to remove those optimizations |
| 18:17.38 | wurp2 | or, ideally, turn on the switch they already provided to turn off those optimizations :-) |
| 18:18.07 | mjr | also, pulseaudio's cpu hogging has nothing to do with codecs |
| 18:18.07 | bkruse | right, it very well could have arm opts also |
| 18:18.35 | wurp2 | mjr: Hmm, that's a good point - with where pulseaudio sits, it's not really doing any codec, is it? |
| 18:18.35 | bkruse | what is librt |
| 18:18.43 | bkruse | mjr: agreed |
| 18:19.05 | wurp2 | it's just a mixer & interface that thunks to alsa (in this case) |
| 18:19.18 | wurp2 | mixing still shouldn't take any significant cpu, though, I don't think |
| 18:19.35 | mjr | it hogs cpu even without doing any mixing |
| 18:19.57 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03werner * r3945 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-acc.patch: |
| 18:19.57 | CIA-9 | openmoko: Now applied funbar-2.6.24-platform-spi-gpio-acc-repair.patch for real. |
| 18:19.57 | CIA-9 | openmoko: Previous attempt had only the manual change, since "quilt fold" rejected |
| 18:19.57 | CIA-9 | openmoko: the whole patch. |
| 18:20.10 | wurp2 | mjr: Anyone know how it manages that? |
| 18:20.11 | bkruse | kristian-m: man, what library does this audio stuff for the dialer app..ugh |
| 18:20.21 | mjr | http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1193 |
| 18:20.44 | wurp2 | It seems in that case it could just directly pass data to alsa, after some very simple transforms at most |
| 18:20.51 | mjr | I don't know more than that |
| 18:20.53 | wurp2 | mjr: reading |
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| 18:22.57 | kristian-m | bkruse ad mjr pointed out, it's just setting the alsmixer |
| 18:23.13 | wurp2 | mjr: Maybe I'll write a little library that just dumps core after so many calls to rt_sigprocmask with the appropriate parameters, so we can see what's making that call |
| 18:23.33 | bkruse | mjr: so if I was writing a voip app, would I bind directly to also? |
| 18:23.35 | bkruse | alsa* |
| 18:23.38 | wurp2 | Or put pulseaudio on my main box and strace to see if it does it there, too, and trace back code |
| 18:23.54 | bkruse | using alsa lib, I try to bind to device "default" and it says no such device...building against alsa lib .14 (same as on the moko) |
| 18:24.22 | kristian-m | see: http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/src/phone-kit/ |
| 18:24.54 | mjr | note I'm not sure if the rt_sigprocmask is a wild goose chase or not, but at least it does show it's doing _something_ instead of just waiting for the next batch of data to push out |
| 18:24.59 | kristian-m | snprintf(command, 100, "alsactl -f %s restore", sound_profile_filenames[profile]); |
| 18:25.11 | wurp2 | Better yet, do we have instructions on binding a debugger on a linux box networked with the neo to an app running on the neo |
| 18:25.41 | wurp2 | Or is it just the straightforward normal gdb stuff? |
| 18:26.38 | bkruse | kristian-m: where is that command? |
| 18:26.55 | bkruse | how come I do not see it binding against libasound? (the dialer) |
| 18:27.11 | bkruse | I got gdb server working on my neo, if that is what you mean |
| 18:27.12 | kristian-m | bkruse moko-sound.c |
| 18:27.31 | wurp2 | bkruse: Yup |
| 18:27.44 | kristian-m | :-) |
| 18:28.01 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03werner * r3946 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-acc.patch: (log message trimmed) |
| 18:28.01 | CIA-9 | openmoko: Applied s3c-gpio-spi-allow-multi-cs.patch to gta02.patch: |
| 18:28.02 | CIA-9 | openmoko: From: warmcat <andy@openmoko.com> |
| 18:28.02 | CIA-9 | openmoko: - Allow multiple chip selects to really work with S3C bitbang |
| 18:28.02 | CIA-9 | openmoko: Signed-off-by: warmcat <andy@openmoko.com> |
| 18:28.02 | bkruse | moko should not be executing system commands like that... |
| 18:28.03 | CIA-9 | openmoko: --- |
| 18:28.04 | bkruse | ugh....anyways.. |
| 18:28.07 | CIA-9 | openmoko: arch/arm/mach-s3c2410/mach-gta01.c | 2 +- |
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| 18:28.29 | bkruse | kristian-m: where does it actually bind to /dev/dsp and the mic and speaker though? |
| 18:29.06 | kristian-m | bkruse that defined in the /etc/*.state |
| 18:29.09 | mjr | bkruse, it doesn't have to |
| 18:29.23 | bkruse | mjr: how would my application do it then? |
| 18:29.27 | bkruse | or kristian-m |
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| 18:29.50 | mjr | your application should use pulseaudio for audio i/o |
| 18:30.01 | hwMoD | hey all |
| 18:30.02 | bkruse | pulseaudio? perfect, that is what I needed to know mjr |
| 18:30.09 | bkruse | I am going to have to write a pulse audio driver for it |
| 18:30.13 | kristian-m | just call "alsactl -f /etc/blah.state restore" yourself... |
| 18:30.14 | bkruse | or is binding to pulse audio fairly simple |
| 18:30.15 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03werner * r3947 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-acc.patch: |
| 18:30.15 | CIA-9 | openmoko: adjust-our-gpio-spi-speed.patch by Andy Green. |
| 18:30.15 | CIA-9 | openmoko: [ Try to bring speed up to 10 MHz. ] |
| 18:30.22 | hwMoD | does openmoko support bidi and rtl languages? and if not, how can I help? :) |
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| 18:30.43 | bkruse | kristian-m: yes, but I am just having a problem thinking in my head how to send/receive audio. I have been taugh "you bind to alsa default, you talk to it." |
| 18:30.43 | mjr | Shouldn't be difficult. The downside is the current performance troubles with pulseaudio, but hopefully that'll be fixed... |
| 18:31.08 | bkruse | mjr: well if everyone is depending on it, I hope so. So there is an example of libpulseaudio in this dialer somewhere |
| 18:31.30 | mjr | you're confused |
| 18:31.39 | bkruse | mjr: very |
| 18:31.53 | bkruse | mjr: just from the way I have been taught (using libportaudio or alsa) please enlighten me :] |
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| 18:32.12 | mjr | the dialer doesn't need pulseaudio (directly) for anything (only indirectly, the gtk button event sounds go through it) |
| 18:32.35 | mjr | apart from the event sounds, the dialer doesn't handle any audio whatsoever |
| 18:32.47 | bkruse | mjr: I would greatly appreciate it |
| 18:32.57 | bkruse | oh really? |
| 18:33.18 | bkruse | Gotcha, well, I guess I could do that with my gtk app also, but for now, the cli version, I need an example of implementing with pulseaudio |
| 18:33.36 | bkruse | Where could I find an example on this |
| 18:34.04 | spydon | hwMoD, I don't think it support those... |
| 18:34.13 | hwMoD | how can i help then? |
| 18:34.22 | hwMoD | large market for hebrew, arabic, farsi... |
| 18:35.09 | mjr | good question on the bidi and rtl; openmoko is (currently) using gtk which can do most of the heavy lifting on those fronts, but don't know how much higher level support one would need in the framework, if any |
| 18:35.33 | hwMoD | is there an emulator or virtualisation i can play with? |
| 18:36.54 | bkruse | mjr: example of using libpulseaudio? Or rather, where does the audio from a phone call come from...ya, thats it :] |
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| 18:37.25 | CIA-9 | openmoko: 03werner * r3948 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-acc.patch: (log message trimmed) |
| 18:37.29 | CIA-9 | openmoko: Merged motion-sensor-driver-fixes.patch into gta02-acc.patch |
| 18:37.29 | `pwgen` | anyone with knowlege about the gsm modem and gsmd here ? |
| 18:37.31 | CIA-9 | openmoko: - various fixes with error paths in probe |
| 18:37.33 | CIA-9 | openmoko: - add a "golden" chip init sequence for "data ready" operation |
| 18:37.35 | CIA-9 | openmoko: - change to use the combo "data ready" bit |
| 18:37.37 | CIA-9 | openmoko: Currently there is some problem that it spends way too much time spamming |
| 18:37.39 | CIA-9 | openmoko: SPI when it should be idle, so the device runs at like 25% speed overall |
| 18:39.29 | mmontour | bkruse: phone-call audio is analog to/from the TI Calypso chipset. The wiki has a "Neo1973 Audio Subsystem" page that shows how audio is routed in various call modes. |
| 18:39.33 | mjr | Ask google for examples. For the latter question, the audio comes from the GSM chip through the codec chip, which is usually set to route it directly to the earpiece in the dialer. You can set the mixer to rather route the audio to AD converter and thence to your app (using pulseaudio/ALSA) instead. The mixer is fiendishly complicated to set up. See the wiki. |
| 18:40.20 | bkruse | mmontour: checked out that page, ifnormative, not what i am looking for in terms of development |
| 18:40.33 | bkruse | mjr: perfect, I will. When you say pulseaudio/ALSA does that mean both? |
| 18:41.05 | mjr | in the sense that pulseaudio will use alsa |
| 18:42.49 | bkruse | mjr: gotcha, ok, off to write against pulseaudio and port this beast |
| 18:42.59 | bkruse | thanks for all your help mjr :] |
| 18:43.32 | unknown_lamer | bah why pulseaudio instead of dmix |
| 18:43.57 | unknown_lamer | gnome bloatware does not belong on a phone :-( |
| 18:44.42 | hwMoD | is there a way to develop for the phone without having a phone? |
| 18:44.57 | unknown_lamer | hwMoD: emulators, xoo, or just write a gtk app |
| 18:45.38 | hwMoD | ill look into those emulators |
| 18:45.56 | hwMoD | see how i can get some bidi/rtl power into this beast |
| 18:46.11 | unknown_lamer | there's not much reason to use qemu over an xnest/xoo running matchbox and the openmoko software |
| 18:46.29 | unknown_lamer | pango in theory supports bidi out of the box so there should be no effort |
| 18:46.38 | unknown_lamer | just pop in a unicode rtl marker and spit out rtl text |
| 18:46.50 | unknown_lamer | works for me when viewing ancient farsi at least |
| 18:47.57 | unknown_lamer | if the apps are being written properly they should be using gettext or similar so you should just need to write a translation of UI stuff for your preffered language |
| 18:48.15 | mjr | yeah, that's the ideal situation |
| 18:48.18 | unknown_lamer | naturally there might be evil evil layout issues from evil people not thinking of non-european languages |
| 18:49.08 | FuzzyCat | not thinking of non... |
| 18:49.11 | FuzzyCat | mmm |
| 18:49.59 | unknown_lamer | I should localize the UI for rune based old english har |
| 18:51.18 | wurp2 | hwMoD: The advantage to using qemu as your emulator would be that there are good instructions at wiki.openmoko.org on how to do it... |
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| 18:53.18 | mjr | qemu is slow and a bit superfluous |
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| 18:55.26 | SpeedEvil | pulseaudios CPU usage is insane. |
| 18:55.28 | wurp2 | qemu is horribly slow |
| 18:55.44 | wurp2 | But I dunno how to set up any other emulator :-) |
| 18:56.00 | SpeedEvil | There is the $300 solution. |
| 18:56.06 | wurp2 | Oh, I did that |
| 18:56.13 | wurp2 | I was just talking about for hwMoD's request |
| 18:56.42 | wurp2 | Of course, the $300 solution doesn't fix the slowness of pulseaudio ;-) |
| 18:56.49 | SpeedEvil | No. |
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| 18:56.54 | wurp2 | which is my other talking point for the day |
| 18:57.22 | SpeedEvil | Even if it was doing a slow resampling filter, it shouldn't be that slow |
| 18:58.11 | bkruse | wurp2: true |
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| 18:59.29 | SpeedEvil | And on the ginger front - apparently it was bought for planting as an ornamental. Oops. |
| 19:00.02 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: ?!? |
| 19:00.18 | SpeedEvil | oh - mischn |
| 19:00.43 | wurp2 | interesting variety in your interests ;-) |
| 19:01.03 | SpeedEvil | I found a large bag of ginger roots that had been sitting in the kitchen, bought from the latest supermarket, so to stop it going off, I grated and froze it. |
| 19:01.47 | wurp2 | heh |
| 19:05.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1198 has been created by cwixon(AT)usa.net |
| 19:05.02 | cdbot2 | * * Audio (via headphone jack) doesn't couple well to some line-inputs |
| 19:05.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1198 |
| 19:06.21 | FuzzyCat | ^^^^ you actually managed to get audio at all?! |
| 19:07.40 | SpeedEvil | In what case? |
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| 19:46.20 | wurp2 | I have a problem with the application selector in the upper left window disappearing |
| 19:46.25 | wurp2 | Anyone know anything about that offhand? |
| 19:46.40 | wurp2 | When it does the apps stop responding to short presses of the power or aux button, too |
| 19:46.45 | wurp2 | which leaves me pretty much screwed |
| 19:47.09 | wurp2 | I just end up rebooting (when I don't have a linux computer available to ssh in) |
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| 19:49.27 | wurp2 | (I should say, the application selector in the upper left of the screen) |
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| 20:04.43 | mickeyl | wurp2: never seen that one |
| 20:04.43 | mickeyl | must be a new one |
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| 20:08.27 | galexander | ok it looks like gllin is finally released for gta01! yay. now for the other question: can it place and receive calls? |
| 20:09.59 | mjr | yes, reliability varying between builds |
| 20:15.12 | Blastur | you wanna hear something freaky? |
| 20:15.23 | Blastur | i had a dream last night, that freerunner was out on the market |
| 20:15.28 | Blastur | i was soo disappointed when i woke up |
| 20:15.54 | wurp2 | Blastur: hah |
| 20:16.02 | wurp2 | Just buy an 01 |
| 20:16.13 | wurp2 | Then you can be frustrated with all the little things you thought wouldn't bother you |
| 20:16.23 | Blastur | i need wifi unfortunately, otherwise i would :) |
| 20:16.27 | wurp2 | and excited with all the cool little crap you never thought you coudl do |
| 20:16.33 | wurp2 | s/coudl/could/ |
| 20:17.26 | wurp2 | For me, I'm either at home (in which case inet over bluetooth is fine) or out and about where there's no WiFi, so gprs is the only choice |
| 20:17.42 | wurp2 | Now if I can only get either one of those to work consistently :-) |
| 20:18.09 | wurp2 | mickeyl: I'm running on a build about 2 weeks old |
| 20:18.16 | mjr | gprs works consistently for me, but I really like not to lose the ability to receive calls while having the connection up :] |
| 20:18.20 | wurp2 | I didn't notice it happening before I installed SettingsGui |
| 20:18.32 | wurp2 | But I also got gsm working for the first time around the same time |
| 20:18.40 | wurp2 | mjr: Excellent point |
| 20:18.43 | mjr | I would really like |
| 20:19.14 | Blastur | even if freerunner was released tomorrow, i probably would not buy it until it can reliable place and receive calls + has acceptable batterytime.. and judging from what ive seen on the lists and in this channel, it is months away from that :) |
| 20:19.18 | mjr | (so how's the gprs multiplexing coming along is the question) |
| 20:19.23 | Blastur | but im willing to wait for something guuud |
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| 21:10.36 | SpeedEvil | 22mm (compression,solder-ring,yorkshire,end-feed,endfeed) |
| 21:10.39 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 21:16.13 | bagpuss_thecat | SpeedEvil: I daren't ask :-) |
| 21:17.47 | SpeedEvil | I am suffering plumbing problems, and am looking for bits to construct a magnetite and debris filter for my central heating system. |
| 21:18.28 | spydon | freakin geek :P |
| 21:18.48 | spydon | knows everything :P |
| 21:19.13 | SpeedEvil | A) pay $180 or so for a filter. B) put one together out of hard drive magnets and plumbing fittings for $20 |
| 21:22.15 | kdean06 | SpeedEvil, Those hard drive magnets are used everywhere. I made a few magnetic stirplates out of case fans and those magnets. Cost effective yeast culturing. :) |
| 21:22.39 | cb22 | indeed. hdd magnets ftw :) |
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| 21:26.19 | zash_ | hm |
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| 21:30.28 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: Hmm... spend $20 in parts plus several hours making & testing one, or $180 to buy one |
| 21:30.33 | wurp2 | I think I might go the $180 route... |
| 21:31.17 | cb22 | wurp2: hand in your geek badge on the way out please :p |
| 21:31.26 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: I do not have the $180 |
| 21:31.51 | SpeedEvil | I'm currently unemployed due to disability. Hence money is a bit tight. |
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| 21:32.13 | zash_ | hm, harddrive magnets .. http://pic.zash.se/Set125_01.jpg |
| 21:32.14 | zash_ | hm |
| 21:32.38 | cb22 | you guys seen the james bond mythbusters episode? |
| 21:32.48 | cb22 | i want those magnets! |
| 21:33.08 | SpeedEvil | Ebay has lots of magnets |
| 21:34.15 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: ouch! |
| 21:36.02 | wurp2 | cb22: I have three kids, a full time job, two web sites, and a neo. I have to use a little perspective on how much time I spend geeking out on arbitrary things... |
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| 21:38.52 | cb22 | wurp2: ouch. i wish i had time mgmt skills |
| 21:39.17 | cb22 | currently all i pretty much do is hang out with friends and read digg/. |
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| 21:40.43 | wurp2 | cb22: I wish I had time management skills too :-) |
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| 21:41.41 | cb22 | hehe. teh inertubes has enslaved us all!!1!11 |
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| 22:13.36 | inwoo | anyone have any luck with t-mobile pppd manual gprs? |
| 22:13.44 | SpeedEvil | UK? |
| 22:13.50 | SpeedEvil | ->inwoo |
| 22:13.53 | inwoo | nope |
| 22:13.54 | inwoo | us |
| 22:13.59 | SpeedEvil | done UK |
| 22:14.13 | inwoo | SpeedEvil: did you use the wiki's t-mobile ppd scripts? |
| 22:14.33 | inwoo | SpeedEvil: this one http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS? |
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| 22:17.42 | SpeedEvil | Sort-of. |
| 22:18.02 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunetely, I no longer have the scripts I used owing to a tragic mke2fs accident. |
| 22:18.08 | inwoo | ouch~. |
| 22:18.30 | inwoo | well atleast i know it's possible... just don't have the correct scripts i suppose. |
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| 22:18.50 | SpeedEvil | I don't know about the US |
| 22:19.31 | balrog-kun | what's inwoo? |
| 22:20.15 | inwoo | huh? .. it's me. |
| 22:20.28 | balrog-kun | oh, heh, sorry |
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| 22:21.02 | balrog-kun | i saw SpeedEvil say ->inwoo and i thought, what's that strange syntax :p |
| 22:21.28 | zedstar | for gprs i didnt have much success following the wiki but found scripts else where that worked |
| 22:21.39 | zedstar | but was vodafone uk |
| 22:22.25 | balrog-kun | i only once tried my pppd script that i used with the same SIM but a different modem, on the pc and it wouldn't connect |
| 22:22.44 | balrog-kun | but i didn't bother to check why |
| 22:23.17 | zedstar | vodafone are a bit of a bitch though and disconnect idle tcp sessions |
| 22:23.21 | inwoo | zedstar: do you have the vodafone uk scripts somewhere? |
| 22:23.29 | zedstar | inwoo yeh hang on |
| 22:23.47 | inwoo | zedstar: thanks, i'll try to force it to work somehow for tmobile |
| 22:24.00 | zedstar | http://zedstar.org/blog/2008/01/11/gprs-connection-with-openmoko/ |
| 22:25.57 | inwoo | thanks. |
| 22:28.44 | zedstar | u can get a vodafone SIM for 2 pounds which is not bad so got a spare for my neo for testing |
| 22:28.50 | zedstar | in uk that is |
| 22:31.16 | SpeedEvil | t-mobile - 50p |
| 22:31.20 | SpeedEvil | Though. |
| 22:31.33 | SpeedEvil | Also. |
| 22:31.49 | zedstar | ah nice will get one...do they cap 1 pound daily? |
| 22:31.51 | SpeedEvil | On that, you get internet at a pound a day capped |
| 22:31.58 | zedstar | ok cook |
| 22:32.00 | zedstar | l |
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| 22:32.04 | SpeedEvil | or 137K for a pound |
| 22:32.11 | SpeedEvil | and thereafter capped |
| 22:32.47 | zedstar | be interested to test idle tcp connection on t-mobile |
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| 22:33.27 | SpeedEvil | IIRC I got a couple of hours without problems |
| 22:35.01 | zedstar | how it should be....i can leave an ssh session logged in to a server without vodafone disconnecting that session |
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| 22:35.07 | zedstar | cant |
| 22:35.36 | SpeedEvil | you may be able to if you enable keepalive |
| 22:36.06 | zedstar | yeh i looked at that but seems u need to enable that on tcp socket when u open it....ie from your own program is ok |
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| 22:37.13 | wurp2 | zedstar: In that case you could write a simple tunnel with keepalive, and connect ssh to your local tunnel and the tunnel to your actual target |
| 22:37.43 | wurp2 | Which might not be a bad little app to have in general for systems that need keepalive |
| 22:37.47 | SpeedEvil | deosn't ssh have a fag? |
| 22:37.54 | wurp2 | You could hide it all away |
| 22:38.11 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: One would think... but my solution is always to write code :-/ |
| 22:38.14 | SpeedEvil | yeah - it does. |
| 22:38.18 | SpeedEvil | -o KeepAlive |
| 22:38.38 | wurp2 | that's probably even easier than writing the tunnel ;-) |
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| 22:39.05 | SpeedEvil | Or use ssh as a tunnel |
| 22:39.08 | SpeedEvil | It does socka |
| 22:39.10 | SpeedEvil | s |
| 22:39.22 | zedstar | ah that looks a cool option |
| 22:40.28 | zedstar | will try that at the weekend......never used keepalive before |
| 22:40.41 | zedstar | be curious how that looks on tcpdump |
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| 22:41.48 | spydon | gn folks |
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| 23:10.47 | Swyty | ;] |
| 23:10.50 | Swyty | bujaka co? |
| 23:10.51 | Swyty | haha |
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| 23:11.32 | raster | moo |
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| 23:17.20 | hwMoD | does anyone know the username and password for openmoko_dev.vmx vmware image? |
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| 23:22.39 | wurp2 | hwMoD: nope, sorry |
| 23:22.59 | wurp2 | hwMoD: I didn't know there was such a thing |
| 23:23.14 | hwMoD | :< |
| 23:23.33 | hwMoD | it starts up ubuntu, with machine name opnmoko-something |
| 23:23.36 | wurp2 | Where did you find it? |
| 23:23.41 | hwMoD | does that make any sense? : |
| 23:23.42 | hwMoD | :P |
| 23:23.44 | wurp2 | Yes |
| 23:23.53 | wurp2 | Except that I still dunno a username/password |
| 23:24.06 | wurp2 | Could you send it boot params to start in single user mode, then reset the password? |
| 23:24.14 | hwMoD | if openmoko is ubuntu based then i don't need to worry much about rtl/bidi |
| 23:24.21 | hwMoD | ill dive into the wiki |
| 23:24.33 | wurp2 | openmoko is not ubuntu based afiak |
| 23:24.48 | wurp2 | It is based on some tiny linux installation |
| 23:24.54 | wurp2 | I don't remember the name |
| 23:25.01 | raster | this is only the developer image |
| 23:25.08 | wurp2 | that vmx is probably an ubuntu image with a dev ... yeah, that |
| 23:25.15 | wurp2 | Can anyone tell me where to get this? |
| 23:25.16 | raster | the idea was fore develoeprs who dont have linux or don't want to install/use it |
| 23:25.26 | wurp2 | It may be easier than trying to get my mokomakefile to work :-( |
| 23:25.31 | wurp2 | Or it may help debugging why it won't |
| 23:25.40 | raster | to be able to use vmware to load a pre-built linux distro with all the development tools already installed, configured and set up to work |
| 23:25.48 | wurp2 | Google gave nothing for openmoko_dev.vmx |
| 23:25.51 | hwMoD | raster - i want to see how openmoko handles RTL languages |
| 23:25.54 | hwMoD | sec wurp |
| 23:25.57 | hwMoD | i had it around here |
| 23:25.57 | wurp2 | thx |
| 23:26.04 | raster | RTL? |
| 23:26.11 | raster | ooh |
| 23:26.12 | hwMoD | http://openmoko.solutiontrax.net/ |
| 23:26.14 | raster | worry not programming |
| 23:26.15 | raster | right to left |
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| 23:26.29 | hwMoD | yes |
| 23:26.33 | wurp2 | hwMoD: thanks! |
| 23:26.33 | hwMoD | hebrew, arabic, farsi |
| 23:26.35 | hwMoD | the like |
| 23:26.44 | raster | aaah |
| 23:26.49 | raster | currently om- not sure |
| 23:26.55 | raster | not sure we have all the fonts installed |
| 23:26.57 | raster | by default |
| 23:27.26 | hwMoD | seeing the things people do to get hebrew on the iphone |
| 23:27.27 | raster | in general RTL language support overall in linux is sometimes there |
| 23:27.29 | raster | sometimes not |
| 23:27.38 | justin111 | raster: i changed to ubuntu cuz "it just works" |
| 23:27.50 | hwMoD | i have a feeling that pushing some fonts into openmoko wont be much of an issue |
| 23:27.52 | raster | justin111: and? |
| 23:28.05 | raster | it works for you? no more problems? |
| 23:28.08 | justin111 | raster: i think im done distro shooping |
| 23:28.17 | justin111 | raster: happy for now |
| 23:28.18 | raster | hwMoD: actually it is a problem |
| 23:28.22 | hwMoD | aw :o |
| 23:28.30 | raster | adding fotns for all the languagese out there is a large chunk of data |
| 23:28.31 | hwMoD | what font system is used? |
| 23:28.33 | hwMoD | oh |
| 23:28.35 | raster | and that uses a lot of dlash space |
| 23:28.35 | hwMoD | that i know |
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| 23:28.36 | hwMoD | i mean |
| 23:28.37 | justin111 | raster: until apt BLOWS UP |
| 23:28.40 | raster | flash |
| 23:28.44 | hwMoD | having a language pack is possible |
| 23:28.53 | justin111 | i dont think it will though |
| 23:28.53 | raster | sure |
| 23:28.58 | hwMoD | that's what i meant |
| 23:29.01 | raster | in my experience so far though |
| 23:29.02 | wurp2 | presumably you would just have the primary language by default, then packages for your specific language |
| 23:29.10 | raster | RTL langaugese have very little momentum |
| 23:29.12 | justin111 | i want to do a LFS |
| 23:29.22 | raster | in all my stuff i don't even support them at all in any way |
| 23:29.23 | justin111 | so i can learn linux |
| 23:29.30 | raster | and i actually have never had a single complaint |
| 23:29.38 | hwMoD | what stuff is that? |
| 23:29.59 | raster | the only guys i know who speak arabic or hebrew speak./read english just as well - and they prefer english :) |
| 23:30.12 | raster | so i've never had any impetus to support RTL |
| 23:30.32 | raster | (other than RTL support being a righteous pain in the derriere) |
| 23:30.39 | hwMoD | yeah, I think we'd all like non-program developers to also use openmoko |
| 23:30.42 | raster | hwMoD: enlightenment, EFL etc. |
| 23:31.06 | raster | justin111: u can learnw ithout LFS |
| 23:31.23 | raster | justin111: just dig into your existing distro bit by bit and customise lots of it |
| 23:31.46 | raster | justin111: as i said - in my experience - i just dont see demand for it |
| 23:31.50 | raster | again - its personal expereince |
| 23:31.56 | raster | i dont see everything |
| 23:32.11 | raster | but to me its an indicator of a fairly small amount of demand |
| 23:32.22 | justin111 | thats true but someone told me he did that with gentoo and now he has a blazing fast system |
| 23:32.32 | justin111 | i mean not told me |
| 23:32.38 | raster | i get much more requests for european language support and even asian languagese than RTL |
| 23:32.44 | justin111 | its one of my friends who did that with gentoo |
| 23:32.55 | raster | sure |
| 23:33.17 | raster | but frankly - when u are starting wiht linux - you probably want something that "works" |
| 23:33.21 | raster | so u have less pain |
| 23:33.45 | hwMoD | it's true that most people know english |
| 23:33.56 | hwMoD | but when it comes to handling your address book in a foreign language on your phone |
| 23:34.03 | hwMoD | sending and receiving emails and SMSes |
| 23:34.16 | hwMoD | that's where you like to have your own language |
| 23:34.31 | justin111 | i mean as a project not as a main distro i would do it for a learning experince. i would not use my LFS distro as my main one soley for the reason of no packet managment |
| 23:34.37 | justin111 | i mean |
| 23:34.42 | justin111 | no online PM |
| 23:35.07 | justin111 | unless i built it off fedora ubuntu suse etc. |
| 23:35.48 | raster | hwMoD: sure - absolutely |
| 23:36.11 | raster | hwMoD: as i said - it's nice - but then you also need "Demand". |
| 23:36.20 | raster | doing RETL is a complete pain in the rear |
| 23:36.30 | raster | because RTL mixed with LTR is a nightmare |
| 23:36.45 | raster | u have RTL text then in the middle an english word quoted - it needs to be LTR |
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| 23:37.15 | raster | if u have a mostly english pparagrpah with a quoted RTL word - it needs to be LTR except that RTL word |
| 23:37.26 | raster | at what point do u left or right align? |
| 23:37.47 | raster | also handling the layered font glyphs of arabic - where you draw 2 or 3 chars on top to make a letter it a lot of fun |
| 23:37.48 | raster | :( |
| 23:38.28 | hwMoD | much of that code exists |
| 23:38.36 | hwMoD | i mean |
| 23:38.47 | hwMoD | both gnome and kde handle RTL flawlessly |
| 23:38.54 | hwMoD | hech, even windows manages it :) |
| 23:38.57 | hwMoD | heck^ |
| 23:39.29 | hwMoD | I'm sure i can get a group of people interested in helping make this happen |
| 23:39.33 | unknown_lamer | yeah but pango does it very fugly |
| 23:39.44 | raster | it exists in a very very heavy backend for gtk called pango |
| 23:39.58 | hwMoD | just wanted to know the current status, to see if im barging into an open door |
| 23:40.02 | raster | windows code - forget that. its in windows. its not open. its irrelevant |
| 23:40.07 | hwMoD | of course |
| 23:40.09 | unknown_lamer | raster: haha is any part of gtk lightweight anymore? |
| 23:40.11 | hwMoD | that was a joke :o |
| 23:40.16 | raster | qt code is inside qt buried in its infrastructure |
| 23:40.31 | raster | hwMoD: the gtk stuff should in theory handle it |
| 23:40.35 | raster | to some extent |
| 23:41.22 | hwMoD | that's why i want to see it in action, to see what's going on there |
| 23:41.51 | unknown_lamer | copying text across rtl/ltr markers is a bitch in gtk it pretty much does not work |
| 23:42.03 | raster | unknown_lamer: oh goed |
| 23:42.13 | raster | don't even go there |
| 23:42.19 | raster | this is why doing RTL support is so painful |
| 23:42.21 | unknown_lamer | It fucking sucks that I can't just go C-SPC move the point to where I want to go and C-w it |
| 23:42.28 | unknown_lamer | problem solved |
| 23:42.31 | unknown_lamer | it's only a mouse issue |
| 23:42.33 | ljp | hwMoD: qtopia does RTL very well |
| 23:42.33 | raster | asian suporpt is so much nicer |
| 23:42.49 | raster | they agreed that top to bottom sucks when everythnig in the electornics world did left to right |
| 23:42.56 | raster | so they adapted and just did left to right |
| 23:42.59 | raster | and everyone is happy |
| 23:43.00 | raster | :) |
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| 23:43.14 | hwMoD | we were here first |
| 23:43.20 | hwMoD | OU adapt :P |
| 23:43.23 | hwMoD | YOU^ :) |
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| 23:44.17 | raster | :-P |
| 23:44.31 | raster | the west created the computer |
| 23:44.33 | raster | too late :) |
| 23:44.42 | hwMoD | ;< |
| 23:45.00 | ljp | use qtopia |
| 23:46.21 | hwMoD | ah i got QEMU running |
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