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01:32.39CIA-15openmoko: 03werner * r3887 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (gta02-core.patch smedia-glamo.patch): (log message trimmed)
01:32.39CIA-15openmoko: Applied glamo-platform-mmc.patch:
01:32.39CIA-15openmoko: - remove unimplemented S3C MMC voltage scaling API... not used on GTA-01 or -02
01:32.39CIA-15openmoko:  - add two platform APIs for Glamo MMC, to set power and check if IRQ used
01:32.39CIA-15openmoko:  - GTA-specific stuff should now all be in GTA machine specific files
01:32.42CIA-15openmoko:  - UGLY_COUNTERPRODUCTIVE_MAINTAINER_COMMENTS_BE_GONE
01:32.44CIA-15openmoko: Signed-off-by: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com>
01:43.38Mononoke=] UGLY_COUNTERPRODUCTIVE_MAINTAINER_COMMENTS_BE_GONE
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01:58.21idioternawhat's the latest qtopia image i could test?
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02:03.47CIA-15openmoko: 03werner * r3888 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/smedia-glamo.patch:
02:03.47CIA-15openmoko: Glamo is picky about when a register may be accessed, so we have to spin for a
02:03.47CIA-15openmoko: few cycles. (Note: this hasn't been tested yet. May need tuning.)
02:03.48CIA-15openmoko: smedia-glamo.patch:
02:03.48CIA-15openmoko: - drivers/mfd/glamo/glamo-core.h (glamo_reg_access_delay): delay function for
02:03.50CIA-15openmoko:  register access
02:03.52CIA-15openmoko: - drivers/mfd/glamo/glamo-fb.c (reg_read, reg_write): added access delay
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02:18.32CIA-15openmoko: 03werner * r3889 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (glamo-mmc.patch series smedia-glamo.patch): (log message trimmed)
02:18.32CIA-15openmoko: This patch adds a new MMC/SD MCI driver for the Glamo MMC/SD interface.
02:18.32CIA-15openmoko: It supports
02:18.32CIA-15openmoko:  - interrupt-based operation where possible
02:18.32CIA-15openmoko:  - 1-bit and 4-bit mode
02:18.34CIA-15openmoko:  - clock rate up to 16MHz -- 25MHz is not reliable and gives
02:18.38CIA-15openmoko:  IO errors
02:23.28CIA-15openmoko: 03werner * r3890 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/config/defconfig-2.6.24-rc7:
02:23.28CIA-15openmoko: config/defconfig-2.6.24-rc7:
02:23.28CIA-15openmoko: - added CONFIG_MFD_GLAMO_MCI
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02:45.42CIA-15openmoko: 03werner * r3891 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/scripts/build: Update to GIT_HEAD f188896c2f1594fe749fdb99bbc8c54023cfab3a, SVN_REV 3890.
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04:21.12RayDarHey guys.
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04:21.48RayDarI was wondering if there is a web page somewhere that describes what the latest patches might mean to a user.
04:22.32SpeedEvilNot that I know of.
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04:36.30RayDarSpeedEvil: Thanks for the info
04:37.48RayDarDoes the GPS work yet?
04:43.15SpeedEvilraynet: yes
04:43.19SpeedEvilrayd:
04:45.46TronicA more important question is whether calling works yet.
04:47.09RayDarTronic: Last time I tried calling, it worked for me.
04:47.24RayDarThe contacts stuff needed a lot of work though.
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07:42.05t00naI have a question concerning the FreeRunner and Qtopia.
07:42.15t00naSo say I want QTopia.
07:42.24t00naBut I don't want to lose the OpenMoko GUI.
07:42.29t00naCan I have both?
07:45.01rasternup
07:45.06rasterwell u can have both installed
07:45.14rasteru'll have to shut down down entirely and start the other
07:45.25t00naWell that's what I'm asking.
07:45.27rasterand that will be by hand cmd-line wise
07:45.39rasteru wont be able to mix and match apps from one to the other
07:45.46t00naLike, if you have KDE and GNOME on your computer
07:46.22rasternote - qtopia at this stage will be horrendously slow on the gta02
07:46.22raster(freerunner)
07:46.22t00naOh.
07:46.22rasterkde and gnome can mix and match
07:46.22t00naWell just as an example
07:46.24rasterqtopia does not run under x
07:46.29t00nayou can exit and then select another?
07:46.29rasterit has its own windowing system
07:46.44t00naright, this is just an example...
07:46.46rasteronce u exit you have no gui
07:46.56rasterso u'd have to fin d a way of selecting without one
07:47.18t00nahm...
07:47.29t00nasomebody will come up with something i'm sure...
07:47.37XorAyou can run both simultaneous
07:47.56rasterXorA: u'd need a way to flip vt's
07:48.00rasterie chvt
07:48.08XorAraster: yes, but thats old skewl
07:48.18XorAraster: we been doing that for years to run both
07:48.36rasteralso that would assume that xglamo and qtopia NICELY give up the glamo chip between vt loss/gain
07:48.37raster:)
07:48.53rasterright now there are no qtopia drivers
07:48.53XorAonly problen is I bet things like gsmd dont play nice with two listeners :-)
07:49.00rasterand it will be hella-slow without them
07:49.09rasteryeah - that might not work well
07:49.16t00naOkay, you scared me away from the idea.
07:49.38t00naI'll just stick with OpenMoko
07:49.48t00naso does OpenMoko come with a lot of ringtones?
07:49.55rastert00na:  trolltech are going to work on them
07:50.00rasterthey just arent started yet
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07:50.06rasterHAHHAHAHA
07:50.07rasterringtones
07:50.08rasterhahahah
07:50.09rasterhehehe
07:50.17rasteri wish we were in a position to care about that
07:50.35t00na...so that's a no?
07:50.47t00naDoes it come with at least one sort of subtle not-annoying one?
07:50.48rasterthat's a no.
07:50.53rasterno idea
07:50.59rasterdoes it ring if someone calls you?
07:51.03XorAit gors ring ring
07:51.04rasterthat's proibably a better question
07:51.06raster:)
07:51.14rasterand will it ring the 2nd time they call u
07:51.19rasterand will answering work
07:51.20raster:)
07:51.25rasteri.e.
07:51.31rasterforget ring tones
07:51.37rasterif it goes beep and answers i'm a happy man
07:51.44rasterin the end its software
07:51.48rasterif we can play a beep
07:51.49t00nadoes it have vibrate?
07:51.52rasterwe can play any audio file
07:52.06rasterput any audio file(s) you like on it and use them for tones
07:52.11rasteryes - its got it
07:52.43t00naAnd it is at the point where you can send/receive calls and text?
07:52.58rasterkind of
07:53.37t00na'kind of'?
07:53.57rasterwell i am told it works
07:54.05rasterlast time i actually tested i could call- but not hang up
07:54.31rastermy mokes mostly are in a state of covers off, batteries only plugged in when i'm hacking and plugged into usb
07:54.35rasteri dont use them as a phone
07:54.52rasteri havent put on a latest build image yet
07:54.56rasteri should do that
07:55.06t00nawell i'm going to get the FreeRunner.
07:55.20t00naHow hard is it to put the latest build on it?
07:55.42rastereasy
07:55.46rasterplug into usb
07:55.50rasteruse dfu-util
07:56.15t00naoh, cool.
07:56.54rasterwe have other biger problems still
07:56.57rasterlike suspend/resume
07:57.04rasterthe freerunner cant suspend and resume yet
07:58.02t00nai know
07:58.23t00naBut by the time power management is perfected, FreeRunner comes out
07:58.24t00na?
07:58.29t00naCorrect?
07:59.29SpeedEvilThe software will likely not be completed by the time the hardware is available.
07:59.57t00naI thought those were hardware issues...
08:00.14SpeedEvilpower managment is basically mostly software
08:00.29SpeedEvilthere are maybe 6 software controlled power switches
08:00.40t00naOh.
08:00.45SpeedEvilthe hard part is determining in what order and when to throw these switches
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08:01.01SpeedEviland dealing with it being transparent to users and programs
08:01.07SpeedEvilthis is all horribly involvesd
08:01.34rasteraye
08:01.39t00naWell how long does the charge last?
08:01.41rasterthats just that
08:01.52rasterthen suspend/resume means everyone cleanly shuts down and re-inits their devices
08:02.07rasterXglamo (userspace) driver included
08:02.21SpeedEvilHow long depends on software implementation of PM
08:02.30SpeedEvilNo PM - maybe 4 hours
08:02.44SpeedEvilProper implementation of suspend-RAM - maybe a week
08:02.59SpeedEvil(if changes to GSM code pan out to reduce power)
08:03.13rasterif not at least a day or 2
08:03.17rasterwhihc isnt too bad
08:03.24t00naYeah, that's good.
08:03.28rasterbut suspend is crucial to it being a suable day to day phone
08:03.32rasterusable
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08:03.47rasterof course if u sit playing movies on it all the time it'll run out of juice fast
08:03.48t00naSo when could I expect this to be done?
08:03.53rasterso will every phone
08:03.57rasterdunno
08:04.05t00naI don't play movies much on anything I own...
08:04.13SpeedEvilt00na: At the very best - some months.
08:04.42SpeedEvilt00na: What the value of some is is debatable. 2 or 9 is not impossible.
08:06.01t00naWell as long as I can place/receive calls and text, and expect my phone to have some juice by the end of the day (provided I turn it off), then it will work for me.
08:08.05rasterokie dokie
08:08.06t00naI would definitely keep my phone put away during school hours, I don't want to lose it to a teacher.
08:08.08rasterlatest flash
08:08.34t00naI certainly don't want to be letting people see it.
08:08.41t00naAt least, not the people at my school.
08:09.09t00na"Hey can I see your phone?" *fetal position, teeth-bearing growl*
08:09.39rasterhahaha
08:09.45rasterwhy not?
08:10.15t00naBecause I've been saving up for months for this phone and I'm not going to lose it!
08:10.40rasterooooh
08:10.41rasterok
08:10.47rasterfair enough
08:10.48rasternote
08:10.53rasterthe software WILL improve over time
08:10.57rasterits a matter of ... how much time.
08:10.59Hopscotchgood morning
08:11.03t00nait will probably be my god for a couple weeks, then one of my idols
08:11.13t00nathen it will just be a valuable phone.
08:11.22t00naraster: I know.
08:12.41t00nawell it's bed time for me.
08:12.42t00nag'night
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08:27.25rasteroooh
08:27.28rasterit made a phone call
08:27.34rasterand even hung up
08:27.43Stephmwyay :)
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08:28.52rastersahem the ui si so slow that it takes 4 seconds just to pop up a dialler
08:29.46Stephmwthat is indeed unfortunate
08:29.52Stephmwwhat's it spending that time doing?
08:30.09rasterexec()
08:30.11rasterld.so
08:30.15rastergod knows what else
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08:30.39rasteralso the icons in the ui are uttgerly obscure
08:30.45smlsfbis that because it's on 02, or is it that slow on 01 as well right now?
08:30.48rasteru have to take a guess as to what to press to hang up
08:30.53rasteror whatever
08:30.59rasterthis is an 01
08:31.03rasteri didnt even try my 02
08:31.18Stephmwraster: so OM needs some TLC from a mobility UI and gfx designer ;)
08:31.49rasterit needs an overhaul
08:31.51Stephmwalso, most other handsets keep things like the dialer in the background
08:31.56rasterexec()ing a dialller is wrong
08:32.01rasterit should be there and ready to go
08:32.06rasteryup
08:32.18rasterpphonebook, sms, dialler etc.
08:32.55Stephmwit's funny doing a pkill on the dialer on the P910 though :D
08:33.02Stephmwit's completely unable to function
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08:33.17rasterthe dialler is like the whole ui?
08:34.21Stephmwno, but I think it provides a few background services
08:34.30rasteraah
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08:37.18unknown_lamerraster: I demand a gta02 now
08:37.32rasterunknown_lamer: yo momma
08:37.34unknown_lamerraster: my four year old nokia 7610 is damn near dead
08:37.40raster:)
08:37.45unknown_lamerraster: I will blame you if it dies before I get my gta02 :-(
08:37.55unknown_lamerI can't even sms anyone my star key broke
08:38.01rastermy gta02 isnt even out of the womb yet
08:38.15unknown_lamerit matters not don;t make me stab you
08:38.17rasterso not sure what u'd want with one that cant even breathe
08:38.22raster:)
08:39.06unknown_lamermy damn 7610 is worse than something that can't breathe :-(
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08:42.04unknown_lamernokia betrayed me with false promises of ease of programmability
08:42.12unknown_lamercurse you ancient ass retarded as fuck epoc api
08:42.23unknown_lamer"displaying a widget should take 500 lines of code this is natural!"
08:42.25rasterhaahaahhaaha
08:42.48unknown_lamerI suppose being saddled with a series60 phone is what I get for not reading the sdk docs *before* buying the phone
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09:08.56zash_"Hey, lets make all phones suck, and break after two years! Then we will make more money than ever before!"
09:10.14smlsfbdoes the neo run windows mobile?
09:10.41Robot101yes! [1]
09:10.43zash_they said a long time ago that it could
09:10.47Robot1011: No.
09:10.55smlsfbdoes power management work in it?
09:10.58smlsfbhaha
09:11.12smlsfbi don't personally want to run it
09:11.45smlsfbbut if gta01 has decent battery life in windows ... i might get one
09:11.52Mononokesmlsfb: microsoft is watching moko and secretly prepairing WM for it
09:12.45zash_afaik neo was suposed to run wm, but some deal broke and they thougt "hey, lets make an open phone!"
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09:13.04smlsfbthat's fair
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09:38.38ljpsmlsfb: power management is a hardware problem
09:39.16smlsfbljp, :(
09:39.30smlsfbi'm hoping only on gta01, and not 02?
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09:40.20mjrI've yet to see others than ljp say so
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09:42.40smlsfbthat's fair. i'm still working out who in the channel is authorative
09:43.30smlsfbraster, heh, do you sleep?
09:43.46rasteronly when u turn me off
09:44.51smlsfbso .. not much in the last 156 days, eh?
09:44.51raster:)
09:45.02rasterahahahah
09:45.45smlsfbdid my uptime show in the channel?
09:46.12rasternup
09:46.40smlsfbthen what's the point of /exec?
09:47.09rasterit only displays locally
09:47.53smlsfb04:48:00 up 156 days, 20:16,  3 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
09:47.56smlsfbthere we go
09:47.59rasterThou art a dissembling, fen-sucked, bladder.
09:48.02rasterThou art a burly-boned, common-kissing, harpy.
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09:48.18rasteryers
09:48.21rasteryou found the -o
09:48.22raster:)
09:48.30smlsfb:)
09:48.38smlsfbhaven't used irc in a few years
09:48.48smlsfbjust got a night job :D
09:49.29balrog-kunpower management is both hardware and software issue
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10:00.19smlsfbheh, shakespeare insults
10:02.36jorgenptCan anyone guesstimate the required space for a MokoMakefile compile with inherit rm_work?
10:03.55XorAits 4.1G when finished
10:04.01XorAprobably twice that when working
10:04.13XorAnot including source downloads
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10:09.23rasterjorgenpt:  15g or so
10:09.46jorgenpto.0
10:09.53jorgenpt/dev/sda4               29G    24G   4.1G  86% /
10:09.55jorgenptBummer.
10:09.57rasteras XorA said - and more while working
10:10.11rasteroh wait
10:10.15rasterthats without rm_work
10:10.17raster15g
10:10.22rasterwith - i think 6 or 7
10:10.30jorgenptokay
10:10.38jorgenptWhat're the benefits of not using rm_work?
10:10.44XorAspeed
10:10.45rasteri have found several packages dont build when u use rm_work
10:10.48rasterso i stopped doing it
10:11.13XorAraster: well log bugs then rather than ignore the problem
10:11.52rasterXorA: i sunk days into cleans, builds, rebuilds, tyring to figure out why things broke
10:12.03rastereventually i happeend to turn off rm_work and problems went away
10:12.14XorAraster: and again, the bugs are only you
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10:12.34rastercool
10:12.42rasteri can earn monewy and do nothing
10:12.44rasteryay
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10:21.52rwhitbyraster: there were some packages that had problems with rm_work, but all the ones that nslu2-linux and the MokoMakefile builds have been fixed months ago.
10:24.16rasteri was having problems even in december
10:24.39rasterthey were bitch hard to hunt down and sucked up a lot of time
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10:27.13rwhitbyraster: the ones I found where about the ordering of custom tasks that people had added to the .bb files (i.e. some were done too early or too late compared to rm_work)
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10:27.58rasterrwhitby: i dont remember what they were :)
10:28.08rasterijust found my solution and ran with it
10:28.14rwhitbycool
10:28.34rastera lot of things forme tho have transitory erros
10:28.40rasterautoconf almost aluways doesnt build first go
10:28.42rwhitby(well, not real cool - a bug report would have been cooler ;-)
10:28.48rasteri need to just build again for it to work
10:29.00rasteri dont like filing vague bug reports
10:29.24rasterunless i can narrow it down specifically to somethign u can directly do something about
10:29.30rasteri tend not to file anything "officially"
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10:50.21rasterhmm
10:50.26rasteri'm beginning to hate my moko dir
10:50.33raster742343 files to consider
10:51.17cvdstapmany lots more?
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10:54.02cesarbraster: that's less than a million files. Isn't that many ;-)
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11:02.58rastercesarb:  thats more than half a million
11:03.07rastercesarb: its 742k
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11:28.16CIA-9openmoko: 03werner * r3894 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-bt-fixes.patch:
11:28.16CIA-9openmoko: gta02-bt-fixes.patch: removed addition of pcf50633_ena_voltage, since it's
11:28.16CIA-9openmoko:  identical to pcf50633_onoff_set.
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13:54.00FuzzyCat##'xcknxklv
13:58.17smlsfbif it weren't for the k, i'd think it was a roman numeral
14:00.45CIA-9openmoko: 03werner * r3897 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-gta02.patch:
14:00.45CIA-9openmoko: Added the GTA02v5 architecture, and cleaned up burgeoning lists of
14:00.45CIA-9openmoko: defined(CONFIG_ARCH_GTA02_vx) by introducing macro CONFIG_GTA02_REVISION
14:00.45CIA-9openmoko: containing the revision number.
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14:03.05FuzzyCatfuzzy roman numeral ;)
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14:03.59smlsfbquite fuzzy, there're not 'n's either :)
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14:37.02zedstaranyone got an iphone and tried the location/triangulation update?
14:38.02zash_the office guru has one
14:38.49zash_it did not impress me
14:38.51zedstarand how does it work say on 02 in the UK.....apple did a deal with them only to give out the location info to their devices?
14:39.17FuzzyCatI didn't think it worked outside the us ... I might be wrong though
14:39.29zedstarfrom what ive just been reading it works in the UK
14:39.38FuzzyCatk, got a link...
14:39.52zedstari want access to that triangulation info!!!!
14:40.25zash_the cell-towers know where they are?
14:41.12zedstarwell in interested to know how the network knows it is an iphone etc and how it asks for this info
14:41.23zedstarand where does the response come from
14:41.41zedstaris there a protocol to be hacked for this
14:41.48FuzzyCatmmm...
14:42.11zedstartriangulation is not great but still would be nice if we could all get this info
14:42.19FuzzyCatif you could get that info, then you could have a central db and track anyone based on the towers...
14:42.37FuzzyCatmethinks it might be pretty welll protected
14:42.39zedstarbut the iphone gets it to plot on the map
14:43.11FuzzyCatthe iphone gets it or is it told 'in theis approximate location;
14:43.13zash_FuzzyCat: dont they have that already?
14:43.31zash_the ultimate db of everyone
14:43.33FuzzyCatie, does the iphone do it or does it just say 'where am i' and get a responce
14:43.46FuzzyCats/c/s
14:43.56zedstari think also it can do wifi lookup
14:44.03xcasexwhat the bollocks
14:44.03FuzzyCatI'd certaintly hope it was the former....
14:44.03N-Miyes it does
14:44.08zedstarwhich is not so handy...i would like the triangulation info
14:44.11xcasexthe mic doesnt pick up  at all.
14:44.15FuzzyCatyes it does what?
14:44.20FuzzyCatwhich one N-Mi
14:44.29N-Mifor the gsm part I don't know, but for wifi I've been told how it works
14:45.06FuzzyCathopefully the ipaddress isn't involved
14:45.22zedstarbe interesting to see if apple add a function call in their api when it comes out to ask for coordinates
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14:45.58FuzzyCatwhatever it is it's a poor alternative to gps
14:46.09zedstarsure but still handy for some stuff
14:46.16zedstarindoor use etc
14:46.27zedstarand when u dont need exact position
14:46.33N-Mithere are cars with wifi card and GPS that travel in all streets of big towns, recording all MAC address of access points detected and GPS coords associated
14:46.52zedstaryeh M-Mi ive done that with kismet
14:47.05FuzzyCatso it's going to be useless outside large cities...
14:47.06zedstarwigle etc store lot of that info
14:47.10zedstaryeh
14:47.17XorAGTA02 can do that all in one device :-D
14:47.22FuzzyCatand even totaly wrong when other people change the infrastructure
14:47.26N-Miso the iPhone just detect an access point, and ask by gsm where it is
14:47.38zedstartriangulation is a bit of a network dependent mystery to me
14:48.00FuzzyCatthere's a db floating about with cell tower id's avaialbel
14:48.03FuzzyCatavailable
14:48.37zedstari presume this is what they do fuzzycat
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14:49.08FuzzyCathttp://www.t-mobiletowers.com/homeTowers.aspx
14:50.24jorgenptrwhitby: Doesn't mokomakefile work with monotone 0.24?
14:50.29jorgenptmonotone: error: database schema 629da44000ed5d20e2fe6b4d3abc06bc06a91362 is unknown; cannot perform migration
14:50.56zedstarso i wonder if the coordinates supplied back to the iphone are coming from a db lookup on apples servers or they are coming directly from some proprietary protocol at the gsm provider
14:51.41zedstarneed to get hold of an iphone and tcpdump data when booting that maps app
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14:53.54CIA-9openmoko: 03chris * r3899 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-sms.c):
14:53.54CIA-9openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-sms.c: (moko_sms_class_init):
14:53.54CIA-9openmoko: Register custom marshaller for MemoryFull signal
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15:11.30FuzzyCatwell, in the first instance you can use the cell provider country code zedstar ....
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15:11.41FuzzyCatthen narrow down from there
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15:12.51zedstaryeh sure..can get unique key but then need the coordinates :)
15:13.46zedstarfrom what i can work out reading apple is using some DB and not getting the info from the gsm provider
15:14.37zedstarseems they just do a db lookup on the cell info
15:15.11zedstarbut how they got this db and where is it would be interesting
15:16.57FuzzyCatthere's an online one.. I had the ur for it last year when this came up then
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15:23.26zedstarso getting cell info from out Neo's is trivial....... if some open db for the lookup to coordinates that wud be cool
15:24.26FuzzyCatyeah... trying to find it still - google isn't helping
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15:27.24SpeedEvilzedstar: getting all adjacent cells is pretty trivial.
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15:28.57zedstarbut how can we map to coordinates without some db
15:29.23zedstarand how is apple doing it in their latest firmware update on the iphone for example
15:30.05SpeedEvilYou probably can't legally rip out the database they are using
15:30.55zedstarim wondering though this new google map app....probably does some lookup over tcp by supplying cell info and wifi mac addresses
15:31.11zedstarto some server which returns coordinates to the app
15:31.50zedstarcan get tcpdump running on a cracked iphone but then u cant run the latest firmware with this app....bit of a chicken and egg
15:32.34Stephmwthat info is copyrighted in the UK - iirc it's under crown copyright
15:32.49Stephmwthe mast/location info that is
15:33.08zedstarive seen site in uk to show on map cell towers position...by law they have to do this
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15:33.20zedstarbut doesnt give coordinates
15:33.38Stephmwsure they do - but you'll also see there's no API to use it ;)
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15:34.01Stephmwhttp://www.sitefinder.ofcom.org.uk/
15:34.20zedstaranyone got an ipod touch... apparently this will do a location lookup with wifi mac addresses in the new map app
15:34.35StephmwOoo, interesting info on that site's homepage
15:34.55Stephmw... so the info is _already_ out of date and isn't being updated
15:35.02zedstarah yeh steph thats the one i looked at before
15:35.43zedstarmatter of time before we get access to this i think
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15:36.40zedstarwouldnt surprise me if apple uses one or more of the homebrew projects to log coordinates
15:39.13FuzzyCatthat's so retarded...
15:39.23FuzzyCatofcom should have that info
15:39.30FuzzyCatand should publish it
15:39.32FuzzyCatin full
15:39.38zedstaryeh
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15:40.43zedstarcontrolling that information is taking the piss
15:41.55zedstarand it seems big organisations like apple have got access to it by paying x amount of dollars probably to network operators who do have it?
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15:43.42FuzzyCatactually they probably insisted on it as part of the deal with the carrier
15:44.00FuzzyCatgive us all your cell info or we find a carrier who will
15:44.28zedstaryeh i bet..... Apple: hello O2 can we have your database of cell tower to coordinate info please? O2: sure boss
15:45.17FuzzyCatwtf is geowanking ?
15:45.40zedstaryou would think though we would have a right to know the exact details of how we are being located on O2 using say an apple phone....there must be a law for that
15:46.06zedstarlol geowanking yeh
15:50.10CIA-9openmoko: 03werner * r3900 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (gta02-splash.patch series): (log message trimmed)
15:50.10CIA-9openmoko: uboot-framebuffer-lcm-splash.patch:
15:50.10CIA-9openmoko: Add framebuffer and lcm support for GTA-02 to provide splash
15:50.10CIA-9openmoko: Quick and dirty patch broadside-loads the Glamo registers
15:50.10CIA-9openmoko: and changes the LCM SPI bitbang to go through the Glamo GPIO.
15:50.14CIA-9openmoko: From power-on there is 3.5s of dark screen and then the
15:50.16CIA-9openmoko: splash display is shown, which remains until Linux takes over.
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15:52.08wirrwarrheya~
15:53.16CIA-9openmoko: 03chris * r3901 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-sms.c):
15:53.16CIA-9openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-sms.c: (memory_check_idle):
15:53.16CIA-9openmoko: Removing free file handles check for now
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16:00.03spydonheya~
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16:04.54CIA-9openmoko: 03chris * r3902 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
16:04.54CIA-9openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-sms-dbus.xml:
16:04.54CIA-9openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-sms-marshal.list:
16:04.54CIA-9openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-sms.c: (moko_sms_class_init), (on_error),
16:04.54CIA-9openmoko: (memory_check_idle):
16:04.56CIA-9openmoko: Separate MemoryFull signal into separate phone and sim memory signals,
16:05.00CIA-9openmoko: to avoid custom marshaller and ease client-side usage
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16:09.15CIA-9openmoko: 03chris * r3903 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-memory/ (ChangeLog src/openmoko-panel-memory.c):
16:09.15CIA-9openmoko: * src/openmoko-panel-memory.c: (update), (sim_full_cb),
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16:09.15CIA-9openmoko: Update to match new dbus API
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18:08.07ziluxOT: Life 2.0
18:08.12ziluxhttp://www.dailymotion.com/video/x36azw_life-20_creation
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18:15.06CMzilux: Cool
18:15.15zilux:-))
18:15.38ziluxjust wonder if an enriched reality based
18:15.40CMmickeyl: Take a look at the video link posted above. Looks like something for you :)
18:15.49ziluxon audio, would not be more bearable...
18:16.12CMI'm not so sure..
18:16.23ziluxnot very far from today
18:16.28CMI guess a mix of all kinds of senses would be best
18:17.07CMLike people experimenting with strong magnets implanted in fingertips and such
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18:19.05zash_^^
18:19.57mickeylCM, heh
18:20.00mickeylsick
18:20.03mickeylbut inevitable
18:20.07CM*nod*
18:20.37CMHeh, I'd like a wikipedia link hoveing over everything new, and a map overlay in the corner.. ;)
18:21.27FuzzyCatheheh
18:21.30FuzzyCathttp://www.dailymotion.com/video/x36azw_life-20_creation
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18:21.51FuzzyCatthat vide was fine, ntil it got to the end
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18:23.53yoyostupit adobe
18:24.12CMswfdec played it :)
18:24.16CMBut I agree..
18:25.11yoyoit while by what 3 4 years since is 64-bit arch. Day don't know that !
18:25.44CMyoyo: I'm on 64-bit too
18:26.38FuzzyCatwont mplayer do it ?
18:26.51CMI didn't try, but probably
18:26.56yoyoCM: you have swf "syf - in PL" player prayer :P
18:28.49FuzzyCathttp://fosswire.com/2008/01/13/simcity-classic-gpled-called-micropolis/
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18:29.33FuzzyCatdownload http://www.donhopkins.com/home/micropolis/
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18:34.22xpgsHi all
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18:35.52xpgsJust read Mickey mail regarding userland boot time
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18:36.56SpeedEvil<PROTECTED>
18:37.18xpgswhere should i post the reply i mean where's the discussion thread ?
18:37.20CMnp Atom and his Package - Hats of to Halford
18:37.33CMxpgs: What's your question?
18:37.50CMxpgs: Normally you should mail a reply to the mailinglist
18:37.53CM:)
18:38.46FuzzyCatnew images are broken CM
18:38.51smlsfbCM, atom and his package - i am downright amazed at what i can destroy with just a hammer
18:38.55FuzzyCatwell, sort of...
18:39.03CMsmlsfb: :D
18:39.05FuzzyCateverything seems to work, except audio
18:39.08xpgsThax for ur reply CM following is Mickey's mail
18:39.10CMFuzzyCat: Ah, ok
18:39.11xpgsFYI, I just launched the discussion about how to improve userland boot
18:39.11xpgstime on distro-devel. Please participate there.
18:39.24CM:)
18:39.36SpeedEvilNo
18:42.09ziluxFuzzyCat: a few weeks ago, issue with a missing module:  /lib/modules/2.6.22.5-moko11/kernel/sound/soc/snd-soc-core.ko
18:43.40coptixhi, can one brick the neo when flashing a new image?
18:44.04CMcoptix: Only if you flash a bad u-boot, or flash something to the wrong place
18:44.06Meknot if you do it correctly... if you accidentally flash over the u-boot you could brick it...
18:45.36wurp2Or if you accidentally "nand erase" instead of "nand erase rootfs"
18:45.43coptixdoes one have to flash or fiddle with u-boot?
18:46.20wurp2Not unless you see some must-have fix in the u-boot
18:46.46wurp2If you don't have a debug board, I think it's generally recommended not to flash u-boot
18:47.28coptixjust asking whether to get gta02 with or without debugboard.. if it ever comes out ;)
18:47.46wurp2If you do see a fix you must have in u-boot, make extra sure your battery is fully charged, you know someone has flashed that uboot and not bricked their neo, and ideally you're on a UPS
18:48.11wurp2Oh, 02 is a different deal, I think
18:48.28wurp2My understanding is that they're going to put in a "back up" system to let you recover from a bricking
18:48.43wurp2So you can get the device up enough to reflash u-boot w/o a debug board
18:48.45coptixI've played around with the iPhone (yes..) and there you can even unplug the cable while flashing a new fw and stell restore it
18:49.25SpeedEvil02 it's impossible to brick it unless you have the debug board
18:49.26coptix^^ yeah thats what I've been wondering - considering the neo will have much more fw-images to play around with
18:49.44coptixthat sounds great - was just worried :)
18:51.17torporyo folks
18:51.22torporhows things going?
18:51.53xcasexfeet down, arms up, head firmy in place, balls in the sack, tyvm. you?
18:52.02xcasex*firmly
18:52.04torporditto
18:52.12torporsitting down for a little openmoko hacking...
18:52.27FuzzyCatzilux, still an issue?
18:52.50xcasextorpor: excellent, this is the first time in _weeks_ i've had the time to do it
18:52.56torporanyone know if there's a new release of settingsgui around?
18:53.04torporxcasex: likewise, i've been quite busy with the new job too ..
18:54.29torpornew job cm?
18:54.53torporwhere?  i'm working for THALES now, doing gigabit ethernet drivers for the tolapai processor .. for train systems!  choo-ch00!
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18:55.20FuzzyCathrrrm
18:55.21xcasexCM: you're just not trustworthy with regards to meetups :p
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18:55.25CMtorpor: As a consultant, HiQ
18:55.29FuzzyCatlots of errors with those modules :/
18:55.29CMxcasex: :P
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18:56.00xcasexCM: see, i tried to get a hold of you, even got the phone no. but then i figured it would be too stalker-esque to call you up :p
18:56.05xcasexi mean, we're not all like zash_
18:56.09FuzzyCata phone without audio is like a Swede without a Volvo...
18:56.16xcasexFuzzyCat: INDEED
18:57.54ewonxcasex: what did you buy?
18:58.10xcasexewon: volvo v70 anno 2002
18:58.21xcasexwhat else is there ;D
18:58.38xcasexyeah my gf has kids, so no sportscar.
18:58.56FuzzyCats80 isn't a sports car
18:59.07xcasexhere it is.
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18:59.11FuzzyCatlol
18:59.14FuzzyCatfeck me...
18:59.32FuzzyCatit's a 4 door saloon.. the S version of  the v70
19:01.02FuzzyCatbut if you need the space for carrying stuff, the V70 is much better...
19:01.11FuzzyCats80 doesn;t have much :(
19:01.56xcasexindeed
19:02.08xcasexi'm actually going to mod an xbox w. xbmc into it :>
19:02.14CMxcasex: Hehe
19:02.24FuzzyCatdoes it have nav screen?
19:02.33xcasexFuzzyCat: nope.
19:03.21FuzzyCatimiv + ipod + external screens + xbox = perfect solution
19:03.39torporhmm .. pandora ..
19:03.43torporhttp://www.openpandora.org/
19:03.46torporwanT!
19:03.59FuzzyCatdoes it have the phone fitted?
19:04.23CMWhat's the battery time?
19:04.30FuzzyCatif not, then you can get headrests with screens built in the back...
19:05.31FuzzyCatis it just me or does that site contain no information at all ?
19:05.44CMLooks like they just started on it
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19:05.47torportry this one then:
19:05.47torporhttp://pandora.bluwiki.org/
19:05.57FuzzyCatso, is anyone actually looking at the broken audio issue ?
19:06.09FuzzyCatthat's better torpor  :)
19:06.26torporwhats broken in audio?
19:06.32torporhaven't been paying attention.
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19:06.59FuzzyCaterrm, everything
19:07.04FuzzyCatit doesn;t work
19:07.28FuzzyCatyou think they'll accept design suggestions for that pandora jobbie?
19:08.09FuzzyCatI was thinking, if we could get them to make it slightly uglier than it is.. if that's possible
19:08.31torporFuzzyCat: its not ugly!
19:09.03xcasexwow now the network is odd.
19:09.55RyanPriorThe Pandora is pretty pimp-looking, but definitely looks like a niche product as well. I want a FreeRunner. :-)
19:10.08torpori want both.
19:10.56ewonhttp://beta.ivancover.com/wiki/index.php/Eee_PC_Internal_Upgrades
19:11.56SpeedEvilIs there one to add a full-height 5.25" SCSI drive?
19:12.05FuzzyCatlol
19:14.43xcasexyou know. modding xboxes are fun
19:14.53xcasexcheap hardware, oversized etc.
19:15.09xcasexi have two ssd 2,5" disks over for a xbox project.
19:15.22xcasexso i'm going to try to miniaturize the form factor.
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19:16.26CMxcasex: Ah, fun fun :)
19:17.20xcasexVery
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19:17.43xcasexwhen i get the other two xboxes i bought over tradera.se i'll be trying my hand at upgrading the cpu and piggybacking more ram
19:21.58torporso nobody is using settingsgui?
19:22.05xcasexnope
19:22.09xcasexdidnt know about it
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19:23.23xcasexso. sound. anyone working on it? bugs filed?
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19:30.07CMHeh, just got my automatic reply after being forced to register to download their java crap. Mail starts with: "Dear Mr. Sun SucksForDemandingReg," ;)
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19:33.41FuzzyCatlol
19:34.20FuzzyCatI often get emails from 'those_nosey_cunts_at_apple'
19:34.48FuzzyCatI suppose they don;t filter appleId;s
19:35.06CMMy gf has an ipod, so she has itunes on her crappy pc. They demand your creditcard number to show album art!!
19:35.23CMWell, they do show embedded art, but still. How sucky is that.
19:35.41FuzzyCatyeah, I know...
19:35.55FuzzyCatit's wank
19:36.05FuzzyCatespecially as they often get the artwork wrong
19:36.55Placidc, on
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19:38.19torporfuck this shit:
19:38.19torporERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for libepsilon0:
19:38.33SpeedEvilCOBOL?
19:38.34CMProblem building?
19:38.51torporgay ass crap
19:38.59torporwhats this all about as well:
19:39.02torporPackage gtk+ wants to install file /usr/share/themes/Emacs/gtk-2.0-key/gtkrc
19:39.07torpor<PROTECTED>
19:39.10torpor;)
19:39.20torpormakes me giddy with idiocy how stuff like that happens ..
19:39.30mickeylwell
19:39.38mickeylgtk+ and gtk+-fastscaling are exchangable packages
19:39.45mickeylpick one
19:39.46torporso how'd they get in my system?
19:40.11mickeylperhaps you ipkg install gtk+ accidantly
19:40.12FuzzyCataliens
19:41.27torporbah!
19:41.32torporipkg remove gtk+
19:41.37torporNo packages removed. Nothing to be done.
19:41.44mickeylsure
19:41.46mickeylthey conflict
19:41.53mickeylwhich is what the error message is about
19:41.57mickeylyou were try to install gtk
19:42.03mickeylbut already have gtk+-fastscaling
19:42.07torporbut i did ipkg upgrade ..
19:42.12torpori didn't do ipkg install gtk+
19:42.25torporso someone has a depency issue, eh?
19:42.37mickeylpossible
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19:48.51voi1http://www.expansys.at/zoompic.aspx?type=item&i=150080 <- i considered to buy this keyboard for Neo; has anyone better alternatives?
19:49.02SpeedEvil'better'
19:49.04torporapple bt keyboard rocks.
19:49.06torpormuch better.
19:49.17SpeedEvilthere are everything from fold-out full-sized keyboards, to credit card sized ones.
19:49.25SpeedEvilWhich'd suit you?
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19:49.47SpeedEvilOr even non-folding full sized.
19:49.51SpeedEvilBut...
19:50.05torporapple bt keyboard rocks ass.
19:50.18voi1hm..
19:50.24voi1do you have link?
19:50.35ziluxtorpor: and localized
19:50.37torporhow do i fix this?
19:50.37torporupdate-rc.d: /etc/init.d/gpsd: file does not exist
19:50.52pH5torpor: the small al one without the numpad? is the key response comparable to a real keyboard?
19:50.57torporhttp://www.apple.com/keyboard/
19:50.59torporyup
19:51.01torporits awesome
19:51.03torpori love it
19:51.12torporit works really well with the neo
19:51.17torporgreat combination.
19:51.19ljpi have an apple bt keyboard too
19:51.43torporno it feels pretty good.  like the macbook keyboard, only somehow more solid, if thats possible.
19:51.44ljpfeels good.
19:52.00torpori wanna make a small clip that will hold the neo to it ..
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19:52.36ljpmore level than I would like
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19:53.13ljphammer and nails? thats so last century, use "liquid nails"!
19:53.54torporlevel?
19:54.00torpori find it very comfortable to be honest.
19:54.03torpori wanna use it all the time.
19:54.09ljpnot ashigh at the back
19:54.23torporits the same as any other keyboard
19:54.26ljpme too. i use it at work as well
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19:54.40SpeedEvilhow much is the apple thingy?
19:54.45torpori only wish i could get a keypad version that was wireless ..
19:54.49ljp~100
19:54.52torpor65bucks
19:55.01torpori got mine through ADC so ymmv
19:55.03ljp100 AUD :)
19:55.30ljpi hate keypad things.
19:55.49ljpjust means you have to move your arm too much to reach the mouse
19:55.50torpori need it for work.
19:56.43ljpthing about the apple wireless is, theres no backspace or page up/down
19:57.16torporyeah but that can change with the right keymap
19:57.31ljptrue, but I am too lazy :)
19:57.57torpori am not
19:58.06ljptoo lazy or too busy
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20:08.04zedstarhttp://code.google.com/android/toolbox/performance.html
20:08.16torporyeah ..
20:08.21torpori won't be touching android.
20:08.25zedstarfun read
20:08.26zedstarlol
20:08.56torporcoz that is gay and i don't mean in the nice happy sexy way, but in the hardcore being fucked in the ass by your neighbor who convinced you he was just gonna come over and mow the lawn way
20:09.42torpor"even the fastest, highest-end handset doesn't even come close to the capabilities of even a modest desktop system."
20:09.46zedstarlol
20:09.48torporspoken like a true 20-something year old.
20:09.50xcasexdear openmoko, fix your ipkg sources, k thx. tyvm, rob.
20:10.23CIA-9freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r51 10/trunk/software/py-ophoned/ (7 files): add py-ophoned, first sketches towards a Python prototype of the Open Telephony Server
20:10.57zedstarnever thought of the sexual analogy but i see your point :)
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20:19.55wurp2my phone is *finally* back from San Fran!
20:20.18wurp2tonight I get to see if it will now work w/ my SIM, and maybe play with gprs
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20:25.20kdean06Sweet!
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20:41.16yoyosleep time
20:41.20yoyosija
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20:46.53wurp2kdean06: thanks :-)
20:49.59CIA-9openmoko: 03werner * r3904 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (fix-EVIOCGRAB-semantics.patch series): (log message trimmed)
20:49.59CIA-9openmoko: This is the first of a series of "lost" patches, which were added to the
20:49.59CIA-9openmoko: OpenMoko OpenEmbedded tree, but never actually made it into the kernel.
20:49.59CIA-9openmoko: Note: this patch is a mere band aid, nothing clean or reliable. In fact,
20:49.59CIA-9openmoko: I adapted the 2.6.22.5 more by instinct than by anything else ...
20:50.02CIA-9openmoko: - Werner
20:50.04CIA-9openmoko: <mickeyl> the EVIOCGRAB semantics is a patch that the input subsystem
20:56.45zedstarbeen testing gprs....it seems after some idle time on a connection a TCP RST is initiated... anyone seen this....im on vodafine payg.....the odd thing it appears the ppp connection remains just the tcp connection is reset
20:59.42zedstarto be more clear...if say i ssh from my neo to an external server and dont type anything for sometime i get a tcp rst on the connection.....can anyone emulate this?
21:00.11SpeedEvilThat's probably the NAT's timeout
21:00.19zedstarah fuck
21:00.20zedstari bet
21:00.32SpeedEvilyou could enable keepalive
21:01.02zedstaris a pppd option?
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21:04.40zedstarah tcp keepalive
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21:06.08spydonhehe is there a ssh-client by default in openmoko?
21:07.11zedstarwas a bitch this as i thought was my application doing it then i just tried a simple ssh session and same behaviour
21:07.22zedstaryes spydon
21:07.32spydonhow handy :P
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21:07.45spydonanyone tried to forward X? xd
21:07.57zedstarnot tried but u can
21:08.28spydonhehe I will definitelly try that when I get a freerunner :p
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21:11.02zedstarspeedevil u think editing /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time is the thing?
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21:12.26zedstarhmm this looks messy
21:12.28CIA-9openmoko: 03werner * r3905 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta01-vibrator.patch:
21:12.28CIA-9openmoko: "Lost OE" patch gta-vibro-pwm-suspend.patch (by Graeme Gregory)
21:12.28CIA-9openmoko: gta01-vibrator.patch:
21:12.28CIA-9openmoko: - drivers/leds/leds-neo1973-vibrator.c (gta01vib_suspend, gta01vib_resume):
21:12.28CIA-9openmoko:  moved below gta01vib_init_hw, so that we can call it cleanly
21:12.29CIA-9openmoko: - drivers/leds/leds-neo1973-vibrator.c (gta01vib_resume): call gta01vib_init_hw
21:12.33CIA-9openmoko:  if we have a PWM
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21:17.10zedstarseems to use keepalive u need to request it when u open the socket which is not default behaviour for most apps
21:18.51zedstarwould be interested to see if others who have configured gprs can remain connected on their network.....maybe just a vodafone thing they have configured their NAT that way
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21:24.50CM<PROTECTED>
21:24.52CMHeh
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21:27.45CIA-9openmoko: 03werner * r3906 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (iis-suspend.patch series):
21:27.45CIA-9openmoko: "Lost OE" patch iis-suspend.patch (by Graeme Gregory)
21:27.45CIA-9openmoko: This one adds power management support to the S3C24xx I2S driver.
21:27.45CIA-9openmoko: series: added iis-suspend.patch
21:27.45CIA-9openmoko: iis-suspend.patch:
21:27.47CIA-9openmoko: - sound/soc/s3c24xx/s3c24xx-i2s.c (s3c24xx_i2s_suspend, s3c24xx_i2s_resume):
21:27.51CIA-9openmoko:  added power management support
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21:29.41ifeelhei!!power management!!!we've got it???
21:31.41thomasgwft?!
21:33.46zash_tfw?!?
21:34.11ifeelftw??
21:34.43tsuramotofwt
21:35.13zash_tfsu
21:35.15ifeel3! = 6 permutations....come on!
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21:36.43CIA-9openmoko: 03werner * r3907 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-sound.patch:
21:36.43CIA-9openmoko: "Lost OE" patch gta02-sound.patch (by Graeme Gregory)
21:36.43CIA-9openmoko: This one got applied to mainline, but OpenEmbedded had a small fix that
21:36.43CIA-9openmoko: was still missing.
21:36.43CIA-9openmoko: gta02-sound.patch:
21:36.44CIA-9openmoko: - sound/soc/s3c24xx/neo1973_gta02_wm8753.c (neo1973_gta02_suspend,
21:36.48CIA-9openmoko:  neo1973_gta02_resume): replace with NULL pointers if CONFIG_PM is not enabled
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21:48.03CIA-9openmoko: 03werner * r3908 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (s3c24xx-pcm-suspend.patch series): (log message trimmed)
21:48.03CIA-9openmoko: "Lost OE" patch s3c24xx-pcm-suspend.patch (by Graeme Gregory)
21:48.03CIA-9openmoko: This one changes the DMA initialization in s3c24xx-pcm.c kernel.org driver.
21:48.03CIA-9openmoko: s3c24xx-pcm-suspend.patch:
21:48.03CIA-9openmoko: - sound/soc/s3c24xx/s3c24xx-pcm.c (s3c24xx_pcm_hardware): added
21:48.07CIA-9openmoko:  SNDRV_PCM_INFO_PAUSE and SNDRV_PCM_INFO_RESUME
21:48.09CIA-9openmoko: - sound/soc/s3c24xx/s3c24xx-pcm.c (s3c24xx_pcm_hw_params): move DMA setup to
21:49.41xcasexFuzzyCat: ahem, seems like sound just got fixed, updated build?
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22:00.30FuzzyCatxcasex, will do now :D
22:01.39FuzzyCatmmmm
22:01.49Vegarare all these *Cats the same?
22:02.44zash_no?
22:03.12FuzzyCathuh?
22:03.30FuzzyCatScaredyCat && FuzzyCat are
22:03.47Vegaryeah, that's what I was asking
22:04.03FuzzyCatit just depends whre I am at the time :D
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22:09.04xcasexFuzzyCat: tyvm
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22:11.25Vegardoes 2.6.24 boot on gta01 now?
22:11.39Vegaror are you building for 02?
22:12.17wurp2I'm going to ask again, because I haven't gotten any love yet
22:12.31wurp2Does anyone know the solution to the issue in MokoMakefile where you get: build/tmp/cross/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-as: unrecognized option `-Qy' ?
22:15.33CIA-9openmoko: 03werner * r3909 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (s3c2410-usb-switch.patch series): (log message trimmed)
22:15.33CIA-9openmoko: "Lost OE" patch s3c2410-usb-switch.patch (by Harald Welte ?)
22:15.33CIA-9openmoko: This patch is dicussed here:
22:15.33CIA-9openmoko: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=876
22:15.33CIA-9openmoko: Note: I've added the GPE5 -> GPB9 change (untested) and I've removed the
22:15.37CIA-9openmoko: apparently unused file arch/arm/mach-s3c2410/usb-modeswitch.c
22:15.39CIA-9openmoko: s3c2410-usb-switch.patch:
22:26.00FuzzyCatcould somone please fix gpephone in oe ...
22:27.01FuzzyCatiirc  it inherits itself ... so the fix is simple
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22:46.08FuzzyCatxcasex, just testing it now
22:46.45xcasexFuzzyCat: most excellent sir ;D
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22:54.48FuzzyCatit doesn;t fix the problem Cap_J_L_Picard
22:54.50FuzzyCaterrm
22:54.56FuzzyCatit doesn;t fix the problem xcasex
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22:56.31NordizHi folks, i've looked into OpenMoko for a while now, an im really intressed in this project. I guess you get the following qustion alot but i have to ask.. Is there any kind of timeframe until the GTA02 will arive?
22:56.56MekNordiz: please see /topic
22:57.20NordizAnd, if i but GTA01, will i still be able to use the upcomming software updates even after the new version released?
22:58.55fgauNordiz: free phone, free software
22:59.00FuzzyCatexpected in march and yes
22:59.12FuzzyCatalthough obviously gta01 wont have wifi
22:59.19SpeedEvilMine does!
22:59.32fgauoh
22:59.38SpeedEvil(I haven't unplugged the USB stick that I was testing)
22:59.43FuzzyCatalthough obviously standard gta01's wont have wifi
22:59.55SpeedEviland I haven't actually got a driver for it - it just showed up on lsusb
23:00.04mjrSpeedEvil, whee
23:00.27SpeedEvilI've been distracted today as I'm dismantling my gas central heating boiler.
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23:00.58inwooHrm, anyone have any problems building mysql-native-4.1.18-r4? i get a fail on patching 'autofoo.patch'
23:01.02FuzzyCatyeah, I have wifi, I just attach this giant wind turbine and cisco router connected to a wifi backbone ...
23:01.14NordizMek: Sorry, i missed the topic.. thanks!
23:01.54FuzzyCatright I must way to the land of nod...
23:02.04FuzzyCats/way/away/
23:02.56SpeedEvilFuzzyCat: don't have to be
23:03.11SpeedEvilFuzzyCat: if it's your own boiler, you can do it as long as you're competent.
23:03.37SpeedEvil(on dissasembly it was revealed that my pump had failed)
23:03.56SpeedEvilTomorrows job is to dissasemble the pump.
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23:16.46wurp2cesarb: where r u?
23:16.58cesarbIf it gets too cold, just close all windows and it's enough (with <20 degrees defined as "too cold")
23:17.03cesarbwurp2: Rio de Janeiro
23:17.13wurp2awesome!
23:17.34cesarbOTOH, sometimes we get 40 degrees...
23:17.37wurp2Are you writing software as your day job there?
23:17.46cesarbwurp2: sysadmin
23:17.52wurp2cesarb: I'm in TX, so we get the 40 and we also get sub-0
23:17.57wurp2(celsius, of course)
23:19.01cesarb(I think I'd freeze if I got below zero)
23:19.16xcasexFuzzyCat: seems like its borked post new years :/
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23:20.37wurp2cesarb: I lived in northern Arkansas as a kid
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23:20.53wurp2one winter we got -40, the magic point where farenheit == celsius
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23:21.41Mekhmm.... my 'make update' opened this fancy thing with three columns showing three different versions of the same file... I know I shouldn't be just editing existing bitbake recipees, but use some overlay stuff instead, but now how do I tell how to merge this stuff?
23:21.50Mek(or how do I even exit this application it started? :)
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23:29.23mmontourMek: try ":q!" to exit (if it's using the 'vi' editor). I don't know the proper way to resolve the merge conflicts with mtn
23:30.09Mekyeah, :q! just re-opens it, but first saving it made it continue :)
23:37.35cesarbCan anyone get the IP address for repo.or.cz? Its DNS server seems down to me
23:37.57maitolets see
23:38.37maito[maito@zcat ~]$ ping repo.or.cz
23:38.37maitoping: unknown host repo.or.cz
23:38.47keitsi;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
23:38.58keitsino answer from DNS server
23:41.34cesarbJust when I come home having decided one of my patches was wrong, and wanted to upload the fix so nobody would get hit by my mistake (that is, if there's someone crazy enough to try my experimental patches already)
23:43.33cesarb(freqs.new < freqs.old does NOT imply the bus frequency is decreasing)
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23:46.40CIA-9openmoko: 03sameo * r3910 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-atheros-2.0/ (3 files):
23:46.40CIA-9openmoko: ar6k-atheros-2.0: iperf bug fix
23:46.41CIA-9openmoko: We need to double check for SDIO IRQ bits.
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