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| 00:23.26 | mjr | ah shit, pulseaudio is probably rabidly syncing with the client on their shared memory mapping |
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| 01:43.01 | bobesponja | hi |
| 01:43.21 | bobesponja | is freerunner comming with built-in sip phone? |
| 01:45.49 | mjr | I'm not sure if anyone knows if there'll be such a thing ready by mass-market launch. I'd guestimate that not by developer launch at least. |
| 01:46.15 | mjr | almost certainly there _will_ be sip software available at some point |
| 01:46.47 | mjr | (well, IIRC some people have done tests with a CLI SIP phone, but that isn't what you're looking for, likely :] ) |
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| 01:56.37 | Crashbit | Hello, I have a NEO1973 with the rootfs of January 16, 2008, have tried with other ancient mas and the same thing happens to me, the sound does not work. The kernel is the last one, also of January, but the version of September with the same kernel if it me works. |
| 01:57.42 | Crashbit | If I do an ALSACTL-F/etc/xxx restore he(she) says to me not soundcards found |
| 01:57.56 | Crashbit | sorry, but i don't speaks english |
| 01:59.57 | bobesponja | mjr: thanks for the info, I'm looking for a sip phone integrated to the address book and keypad, but CLI might be ok for a start :) |
| 02:00.00 | Crashbit | Is it a question of a bug? Has it solution? |
| 02:01.27 | mjr | Crashbit, you need to get the sound modules from the modules package corresponding to your kernel and install them into /lib/modules |
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| 02:02.18 | mjr | bobesponja, there was some people here talking about doing that, not sure if it's underway. Personally, I think the GTA02 developer release will probably motivate people to work on SIP stuff more since it's more useful with the wlan. |
| 02:02.30 | Crashbit | Have I the package of modules, but which I have to install? |
| 02:02.44 | mjr | the sound ones |
| 02:02.54 | Crashbit | Which are the sound modules? |
| 02:03.00 | mjr | bobesponja, 'course, you can do that yourself ;P |
| 02:03.02 | Crashbit | all the directory? |
| 02:03.06 | mjr | the ones in the sound directory |
| 02:04.04 | Crashbit | ok, thanks, I amb going to try |
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| 02:52.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1185 has been created by sean_chiang(AT)openmoko.com |
| 02:52.02 | cdbot2 | * * Retrieve operator list when init network will cause dialer can't make a phone call |
| 02:52.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1185 |
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| 03:30.21 | bebo | . |
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| 04:34.08 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03werner * r3859 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (fix-hwecc-2410.patch series): (log message trimmed) |
| 04:34.08 | CIA-15 | openmoko: NAND ECC error correction mis-calculated the bit position, thus turning a |
| 04:34.09 | CIA-15 | openmoko: correctable single-bit error into two errors. Fittingly, also reported |
| 04:34.09 | CIA-15 | openmoko: uncorrectable errors as success. |
| 04:34.09 | CIA-15 | openmoko: The NAND subsystem only does 512 byte reads even on large page NAND, so we can |
| 04:34.12 | CIA-15 | openmoko: use hardware ECC also on HXD8 and GTA02. Tests showed that this does indeed |
| 04:34.14 | CIA-15 | openmoko: work as expected. |
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| 04:47.29 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03werner * r3860 10/developers/werner/nandtilt/ (. Makefile README mtd-abi.h nandtilt.c): A little utility to inflict bit errors on a NAND partition. |
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| 06:44.24 | ewon | everyone seen the tom cruise scientology vid? |
| 06:44.33 | ewon | http://defamer.com/344987/the-tom-cruise-indoctrination-video-scientologists-dont-want-you-to-see |
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| 07:50.50 | xnike | hello everybody. does anybody know what these might be? |
| 07:50.53 | xnike | mtn: calculating migration... |
| 07:50.53 | xnike | mtn: no migration performed; database schema already up-to-date |
| 07:50.53 | xnike | mtn: doing anonymous pull; use -kKEYNAME if you need authentication |
| 07:50.53 | xnike | mtn: connecting to monotone.openmoko.org |
| 07:51.07 | xnike | mtn: network error: failed to connect: |
| 07:51.07 | xnike | make: *** [setup-mtn] Error 1 |
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| 07:52.08 | duffyd | hi can anyone confirm if opie apps can run on neo? |
| 07:53.46 | ljp | sure, if they were compiled for it. there's not much phone things in opie though |
| 07:54.44 | duffyd | ljp: ok, so is it a case of just doing a ipkg install RandomOpieApp ? |
| 07:54.47 | duffyd | and then pray+hope |
| 07:59.20 | ljp | dont think anyone has done any work with opie on the neo |
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| 07:59.49 | duffyd | ok, so if I try and ipkg install, chances are it won't work? |
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| 08:06.02 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 08:35.06 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r3861 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (include/gsmd/usock.h src/gsmd/sms_cb.c src/util/event.c): gsmd: fix CMT_parse comma error (Sean Chiang) |
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| 08:46.59 | Atul_ | Hi, am trying to execute AT command from command line using file reading option but it hangs in lgsm_passthrough (lgsmh, buf, rbuf, &rlen); otherwise it works fine |
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| 08:51.29 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:58.13 | Atul_ | Hi, IF I execute AT Commands first time on to device it works fine and when trying same for second time it gives me error like "unable to handle packet type=2" |
| 08:58.19 | Atul_ | Why ? |
| 09:02.50 | duffyd | hi does anyone know if the OM gui depends on python? |
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| 09:25.58 | yoyo | hi |
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| 09:27.55 | yoyo | morning coffee without sugar is a one of the best thinks what live can offered. |
| 09:30.33 | borg_ | right |
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| 09:35.03 | mbuf | duffyd, no, it doesn't AFAIK |
| 09:35.12 | duffyd | ok, thanks |
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| 09:57.24 | yoyo | Question: it's possible to move the clock from openmoko-today2 from some different place without editing source code? |
| 10:14.39 | zedstar | the clock is a bit annoying isnt it :) |
| 10:27.04 | duffyd | is http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds down again :( |
| 10:27.40 | duffyd | nooo |
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| 10:43.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1186 has been created by graeme(AT)openmoko.org |
| 10:43.02 | cdbot2 | * * Investigate qtopia |
| 10:43.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1186 |
| 10:50.07 | hrw | morning |
| 10:50.10 | hrw | yoyo: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=965 |
| 10:51.45 | yoyo | hrw: :) THX |
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| 10:58.24 | yoyo | haha :) magnificent :) |
| 11:01.35 | Psi_ | heh i keep losing my touchscreen pen laser thingy, hope we get another one with gta02 :) |
| 11:01.48 | SpeedEvil | they are $4 on ebay |
| 11:02.58 | yoyo | Psi_:if you looking for alternative touchscreen pen the good solution is a cover from a pen |
| 11:03.43 | Psi_ | yeah, i have a few different ones, but i quite like the neo one |
| 11:04.12 | Psi_ | its even good for entertaining a cat |
| 11:05.27 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/4-in-1-LED-Laser-pointer-Pen-PDA-Para-Cadets-Masons_W0QQitemZ360014193359QQihZ023QQcategoryZ112471QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 11:08.22 | SpeedEvil | (identical stylus) |
| 11:10.25 | zash | :D |
| 11:12.18 | SpeedEvil | I just noticed the category that was listed in. Collectables > Militaria > Other Militaria > SAS err - no. |
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| 11:19.17 | duffyd | yoyo: just a question, how would I set that gconf tag? |
| 11:20.52 | yoyo | duffyd: dbus-launch gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/poky/interface/small_clock true |
| 11:21.04 | duffyd | yoyo: thanks :) |
| 11:22.35 | duffyd | and how do I change the desktop picture again? |
| 11:24.47 | yoyo | duffyd: I'v replace the org. fil :P strongly prophetic matched :P |
| 11:24.55 | yoyo | file I meean |
| 11:25.21 | duffyd | yoyo: so you ensured it was the same resolution? |
| 11:25.30 | duffyd | yoyo: where is the file btw? |
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| 11:26.09 | yoyo | duffyd: it can by diffrenst res. it while resize it. file /usr/share/pixmap/wal*.png |
| 11:26.26 | duffyd | yoyo: great, thanks again :) |
| 11:26.42 | yoyo | duffyd:something like that |
| 11:27.10 | duffyd | yup |
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| 11:46.43 | duffyd | yoyo: do you know if it has to be a png? |
| 11:47.32 | yoyo | duffyd: I think yes |
| 11:49.11 | duffyd | ok |
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| 11:52.34 | yoyo | YYY there is some implementation for read read wallpaper from gconf |
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| 12:04.19 | yoyo | duffyd: it is possible to henge wallpaper without replace file. you need to set dbus-launch gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/poky/interface/wallpaper "/usr/share/pixmaps/matchbox-keyboard.png" |
| 12:04.48 | duffyd | yoyo: great! |
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| 12:58.36 | CVirus | Guten Tag |
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| 13:05.30 | CVirus | fscken spam |
| 13:06.14 | Bubbi | well hello there.. :) |
| 13:06.49 | Bubbi | What's up with the new name for the neo? |
| 13:07.41 | ScaredyCat | the new name won the 'Think of a really crappy name for the GTA02' competition |
| 13:08.10 | CVirus | I agree |
| 13:08.15 | Bubbi | I'm sure it's easier to sell to the public, but its previous name was better.. it gave a bit of thought to it.. |
| 13:08.57 | CVirus | [Thu Jan 3 2008] [19:28:42] <CVirus>mickeyl: Where did the name FreeRunner come from :-) ? |
| 13:09.05 | CVirus | [Thu Jan 3 2008] [19:28:49] <mickeyl>CVirus: i have no idea |
| 13:09.20 | CVirus | [Thu Jan 3 2008] [19:29:36] <mickeyl>CVirus: no idea, i suspect, the president, the vice president of marketing, or the product manager |
| 13:09.33 | Bubbi | I thought that Neo1973 was the "official name" at first |
| 13:09.38 | zedstar | FreeWilly would have been better ;) |
| 13:09.50 | ScaredyCat | naa chickenFucker |
| 13:10.04 | Bubbi | BillFucker.. ;) |
| 13:10.23 | yoyo | crappy-phone? |
| 13:10.58 | Bubbi | heh, that's just until the last bugs are fixed.. i'm sure it's going to be a great phone, when it's done |
| 13:11.02 | ScaredyCat | JPhone .. 1 better than the iPhone :P |
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| 13:11.08 | Bubbi | a letter better |
| 13:11.11 | idioterna | what's the new name? |
| 13:11.14 | idioterna | freerunner? |
| 13:11.18 | Bubbi | yap |
| 13:11.27 | ScaredyCat | blade runner |
| 13:11.28 | idioterna | well, it's not so very bad |
| 13:11.30 | Bubbi | "Neo Freerunner" i think it is |
| 13:11.52 | yoyo | you can runn and runn |
| 13:12.06 | idioterna | blade runner would have been better, but i suppose there could be protests from a certain industry |
| 13:12.13 | idioterna | and it's very runny. |
| 13:13.49 | yoyo | my friends say neo looks like soup box |
| 13:13.59 | ScaredyCat | soup box? |
| 13:14.03 | ScaredyCat | soap? |
| 13:14.07 | cjb_ie | (soap box?) |
| 13:14.08 | ScaredyCat | bar of soap? |
| 13:14.21 | yoyo | yy soap |
| 13:14.28 | yoyo | soap box |
| 13:14.34 | ScaredyCat | phone on a rope |
| 13:14.43 | idioterna | i don't really care, no other phone ships with vi preinstalled so far. |
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| 13:19.10 | Xx13 | well v1 came without a working operating system preinstalled ;) |
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| 13:21.24 | Bubbi | haha, what's wrong with a OS that doesn't work?!.. :D |
| 13:21.59 | Bubbi | I'm just looking forward to that day that it is released, so I can order it :D |
| 13:22.34 | Bubbi | and then the name doesn't matter that much anymore.. |
| 13:25.54 | doc|home | idioterna: ah, but do any come with emacs installed? :) |
| 13:28.46 | zash | "idioterna" |
| 13:28.50 | zash | snyggt |
| 13:29.19 | idioterna | oh, right |
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| 13:29.26 | idioterna | i had to flash it with vi :) |
| 13:29.40 | idioterna | but anyway, like it all the same |
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| 13:35.56 | SpeedEvil | Compiler error: http://xkcd.com/ |
| 13:36.41 | idioterna | complaint. |
| 13:37.54 | ScaredyCat | resolve |
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| 14:26.57 | Bubbi | could anyone tell me which programming languages you can write an OpenMoko application in? |
| 14:27.32 | N-Mi | Bubbi: python |
| 14:27.33 | Xx13 | any? |
| 14:27.49 | Stephmw | any, including c# |
| 14:27.51 | Bubbi | it's not that I can program anything, but if I had a good idea, I just need to know which capabilities are needed |
| 14:28.54 | Xx13 | your gui is likely to use GTK, so any language that has bindings |
| 14:29.01 | Bubbi | N-Mi: Isn't python supposed to be installed by the user to run it? |
| 14:30.08 | N-Mi | Bubbi: don't know, but I have seen many messages on the mailing-lists about python apps |
| 14:30.27 | N-Mi | so I suppose it's installed by default |
| 14:30.55 | Xx13 | it was extra couple of months ago, this may have changed |
| 14:31.08 | Bubbi | I'm sorry if I sound stupid, when I ask.. It's just that I've never made anything other than web-applications :D and a little Java.. |
| 14:31.25 | Sup3rkiddo | in the newer build, python is there by default afaik..python-core to be exact |
| 14:31.37 | Bubbi | cool.. |
| 14:31.38 | Xx13 | nice |
| 14:32.14 | Sup3rkiddo | but its bare without batteries included, only a few basic modules |
| 14:32.44 | Xx13 | gtk bindings? |
| 14:32.51 | Bubbi | alright.. hey at least it's there! :) |
| 14:33.31 | Sup3rkiddo | Xx13, na, just have a look at the recipes, you will know =) |
| 14:33.53 | zedstar | there is a good choice of languages to use already....whatever floats your boat |
| 14:34.16 | Sup3rkiddo | yeah like COBOL |
| 14:34.18 | Bubbi | cool :) thanks everyone.. |
| 14:35.17 | zedstar | well u could use a COBOL like syntax if you write some macros in Scheme to emulate COBOL ;) |
| 14:36.45 | Sup3rkiddo | its no co-incidence COBOL and LOL sound similar |
| 14:36.56 | Sup3rkiddo | ..or look similar |
| 14:37.37 | zedstar | my first paid programming job was in COBOL |
| 14:37.53 | Sup3rkiddo | OOCOBOL |
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| 14:40.11 | fatal- | dudes... if I'd like to play with the neo for some test purposes, what would be the easiest way to get an image that would have just more or less bb + dbus + X in it and very little anything else? |
| 14:40.24 | fatal- | get or produce |
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| 14:42.05 | fatal- | hacking things away from the OM build process? |
| 14:44.27 | zedstar | fatal: how mean? what u trying to do? |
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| 14:53.25 | fatal- | I'd just wish to have device with a touchscreen and as much memory available as possible. For trying out some UI stuff on it |
| 14:55.19 | maito | how much memory are you thinking? |
| 14:56.39 | Field | little think with u-boot and kernel: on my way to enable my framebuffer-console -> am I right, that if I want to enable the framebuffer-console I have to enable fb-support in the kernel and after that, add "vga=0x301" to the u-boot parameter "bootargs_base=" .. is this correct? |
| 14:57.26 | fatal- | dunno exactly; is there a way to take some base image and then install things on top of that using ipk -files? |
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| 14:59.40 | zedstar | how about ipk removing stuff from an existing image? |
| 15:00.30 | fatal- | hmm |
| 15:00.34 | fatal- | maybe that could work |
| 15:00.40 | fatal- | anyhow, gotta run -> |
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| 15:21.51 | yoyo | sija all |
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| 16:20.34 | PBeck | hi |
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| 17:24.31 | Field | does anybody know how to set a new parameter for bootcmd insode u-boot? if I enter "setenv bootcmd setenv bootargs ${bootargs_base} ${mtdparts}; nand read.e 0x32000000 kernel; bootelf 0x32000000" he starts booting my kernel because of the ";" command, which causes multiple commands... |
| 17:24.59 | Field | even putting it inside "" or '' does not work |
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| 17:32.52 | Field | ok - found it inside u-boot manual... |
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| 17:41.01 | RoboPhred | when updating, what is a "cert". |
| 17:41.10 | RoboPhred | I am guessing rev is a revision in the source control |
| 17:42.27 | pH5 | RoboPhred: http://monotone.ca/monotone.html#Certificates |
| 17:43.05 | RoboPhred | ah, thankyee |
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| 18:04.13 | kdean06 | When are the daily snapshots usually updated? Is it manual or automated? |
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| 18:05.08 | XorA | I think in the morning .tw time |
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| 18:05.46 | kdean06 | That makes sense. :) |
| 18:06.17 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3873 10/trunk/src/target/ipkg/ipkg_download.c: ipkg: add a simple progress bar while downloading |
| 18:07.04 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03werner * r3874 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/ (fix-hwecc-2410.patch series): (log message trimmed) |
| 18:07.04 | CIA-15 | openmoko: NAND ECC error correction mis-calculated the bit position, thus turning a |
| 18:07.04 | CIA-15 | openmoko: correctable single-bit error into two errors. Fittingly, also reported |
| 18:07.04 | CIA-15 | openmoko: uncorrectable errors as success. |
| 18:07.04 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Note that, unlike 2.6.24, 2.6.22.5 requires ecc.correct to return -1 to signal |
| 18:07.08 | CIA-15 | openmoko: an uncorrectable error, not just any negative value. So this patch is not |
| 18:07.10 | CIA-15 | openmoko: identical to the one in the 2.6.24 tree. |
| 18:10.21 | RoboPhred | hmm, hit a wall while trying to update om |
| 18:10.23 | RoboPhred | ERROR: No providers of build target uboot-openmoko (for []) |
| 18:11.02 | wurp2 | RoboPhred: Look in the logs before that |
| 18:11.06 | wurp2 | That's probably not your problem |
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| 18:11.34 | wurp2 | If you look in the logs, you'll see that the build should continue if either target uboot-openmoko or u-boot-openmoko succeeds |
| 18:11.55 | wurp2 | But it is common to have some other error and have the uboot-openmoko message be the last one in the logs |
| 18:11.57 | RoboPhred | hang on, updated the makefile and retrying, lost the log |
| 18:12.06 | RoboPhred | there wasnt any other error before that though, not in the terminal at least |
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| 18:13.13 | RoboPhred | yep, error imidiately after OE build config msgs |
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| 18:13.48 | RoboPhred | didnt die this time though |
| 18:16.41 | RoboPhred | is there going to be any exchange for devs once the 02 comes out? |
| 18:16.57 | RoboPhred | want to start developing, but cant affoard to get both due to college tuition |
| 18:17.07 | wurp2 | I don't think so. |
| 18:17.26 | wurp2 | But... |
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| 18:17.43 | wurp2 | If you develop enough useful stuff before the '02 comes out, or likely even after, you might get one |
| 18:17.55 | wurp2 | Some developers got the 01v0 for free |
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| 18:18.30 | RoboPhred | doesn't seem likely. Only got 1 patch down for a simple task. |
| 18:18.36 | RoboPhred | Still trying to learn as I go |
| 18:18.59 | Sup3rkiddo | josch, re |
| 18:19.00 | wurp2 | And really, the only significant differences between 01 & 02 (afaik) are: 400 mhz vs 200mhz, more storage, accelerometers, and wifi |
| 18:19.07 | RoboPhred | and power |
| 18:19.24 | wurp2 | I'm not sure the power differences will be that significant |
| 18:19.31 | shred2008_ | i thought it will have 500mhz because 400mhz is unavailable?!?!?!? |
| 18:19.31 | wurp2 | the power problems are primarily software afaik |
| 18:19.34 | RoboPhred | hmm, the wiki makes it seem like a big deal |
| 18:19.35 | wurp2 | I know there are differences |
| 18:19.43 | wurp2 | shred2008_: I think that's total miscommunication |
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| 18:20.02 | wurp2 | There is no charge detection on 01 afaik |
| 18:20.04 | RoboPhred | and anyway those differences are worth it to me, especially since I have a 195 mhz windows mobile phone and the slowness of it is getting to me |
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| 18:20.14 | shred2008_ | wurp2: i read that once in an email... |
| 18:20.17 | wurp2 | There is charge detection on 02 |
| 18:20.27 | Sup3rkiddo | RoboPhred, accelerometers and wifi are sweet |
| 18:20.31 | RoboPhred | yep |
| 18:20.42 | wurp2 | shred2008_: I've seen devs in this room talking about 400 vs 500 mhz, and they all said 400 was it |
| 18:20.49 | wurp2 | There is a bus speed problem with 500 |
| 18:20.58 | RoboPhred | wifi would also be great, seeing as my entire life right now takes place within range of the college hotspots |
| 18:21.10 | wurp2 | They would have to reduce the bus speed and increase the multiplier to get 500, and overall it might even be a decrease in device speed |
| 18:21.18 | wurp2 | RoboPhred: good point |
| 18:21.26 | wurp2 | wifi is less important to me |
| 18:21.36 | RoboPhred | would be needed, since it wont have edge which my current phone does |
| 18:21.39 | wurp2 | When I have wifi near me, I usually have access to a computer. Otherwise, gprs is fine. |
| 18:22.31 | wurp2 | But of course that's just for me personally, which matters a lot to me and not at all to you :-) |
| 18:22.55 | RoboPhred | I have a laptop, but it isnt worth it to pull it out when I have downtime |
| 18:23.21 | josch | Sup3rkiddo, yeah - was shortly offline because of my f***** intel ipw3945!!! sadly it's cheaper for me to buy a stable atheros than paying an intel dev to write a stable driver |
| 18:23.53 | RoboPhred | is the battery/debug board going to be compatible with 02? |
| 18:24.08 | Sup3rkiddo | hehe, intel wireless cards just work? no? |
| 18:24.16 | wurp2 | Battery, I think not |
| 18:24.19 | wurp2 | Debug board, no idea |
| 18:24.25 | XorA | RoboPhred: yes, both work |
| 18:24.28 | wurp2 | Although I think JTAG is a standard |
| 18:24.29 | Sup3rkiddo | Debug borard yes, |
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| 18:24.44 | wurp2 | XorA: Are you sure about that? I thought someone said the other day the battery wouldn't fit |
| 18:24.59 | wurp2 | 'cause if they're compatible in size, I wanna buy an 02 battery right now for my 01 |
| 18:25.01 | RoboPhred | there is that 2 io charge counter too |
| 18:25.14 | XorA | wurp2: Im running my 02 on old 01 batteries |
| 18:25.15 | RoboPhred | not sure if thats just a phone change, or the battery needs a change too |
| 18:25.32 | wurp2 | XorA: Oh, didn't know you were an internal dev |
| 18:25.35 | wurp2 | That's great news! |
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| 18:25.54 | wurp2 | Is there somewhere I can order the 1700 mA battery? |
| 18:25.59 | wurp2 | s/mA /mAh / |
| 18:26.55 | RoboPhred | need to start scrolling around the bug logs to find a simple task I can do. Anyone know of one off the top of their heads? |
| 18:27.28 | RoboPhred | Noone has touched my combobox patch yet |
| 18:27.57 | wurp2 | Anyone know the target in MokoMakefile to clean & rebuild arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-as ? |
| 18:29.02 | RoboPhred | rebuild-package-blah, I think? |
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| 18:32.04 | RoboPhred | hmm. bugzilla is telling me I am some x visitor of the site and to claim a prize... that doesn't fit... |
| 18:32.42 | cjb_ie | there should be a prize for the millionth bug filed ;) |
| 18:33.20 | wurp2 | Finding the package is the issue |
| 18:33.24 | wurp2 | It is non-obvious |
| 18:33.46 | wurp2 | And I'm not entirely certain that the host's cross-compile tools are in a package |
| 18:33.49 | RoboPhred | It says click below to claim a prize, but there isnt any "below", silly thing |
| 18:34.34 | mmontour | RoboPhred: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/quips.cgi?action=show |
| 18:34.59 | RoboPhred | Ah, how unexpected |
| 18:35.40 | RoboPhred | I dont see anything in the makefile for that, but then again I am completely new at this |
| 18:35.49 | RoboPhred | would the compiler be in the toolchain? |
| 18:37.23 | wurp2 | good idea; let me try rebuilding that |
| 18:38.07 | RoboPhred | also is openmoko-devel-tools |
| 18:38.36 | RoboPhred | arg, I cant get bugzilla to give me a list of bugs, just a list of user actions |
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| 18:43.06 | LittleIdiot | tjaja... ich frage mich, was passiert, wenn der erste faser auf den markt kommt... ob die dann auch 5-10 jahre brauchen um die zu verbieten? |
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| 18:49.38 | wurp2 | Does anyone know how to rebuild the cross-compilation tools in MokoMakefile? |
| 18:51.04 | RoboPhred | guess you could always make clean all as a last resort and wait a whie |
| 18:51.38 | wurp2 | Yeah, saving that for last resort |
| 18:51.49 | wurp2 | I see now some binutils-cross & gcc-cross packages |
| 18:51.57 | wurp2 | Cleaning them & getting ready to rebuild |
| 18:53.15 | LittleIdiot | gaah, sorry wrong channel. |
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| 18:58.13 | RoboPhred | Is there any reason why the gsm on/off menu in om is 2 items instead of a toggle? |
| 18:58.22 | RoboPhred | Seems a waist of space and irks me |
| 18:58.35 | RoboPhred | might be fixed by now though, havent updated in a while |
| 18:59.19 | RoboPhred | seems it would make more sense to have the item rename itself based on the gsm status instead of disabling but leaving visible the one that isnt active |
| 19:01.15 | mwester | RoboPhred: That assumes that one can reliably fetch the state; an assumption that might be closer to valid now but certainly was but a wild guess not too long ago. |
| 19:01.41 | Tronic | [ ] Enable GSM |
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| 19:01.53 | Tronic | No renaming involved, but using standard widgets. |
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| 19:02.42 | RoboPhred | I dont understand tron, can you clarify? |
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| 19:04.45 | loufoque | RoboPhred: tron is a movie from the seventies. |
| 19:04.53 | loufoque | RoboPhred: see wikipedia for more info |
| 19:04.59 | RoboPhred | was short for "tronic" I didnt understand what he said |
| 19:05.07 | loufoque | oops no |
| 19:05.11 | RoboPhred | heh |
| 19:05.13 | loufoque | eigthies sorry |
| 19:05.23 | loufoque | 1982 |
| 19:06.31 | RoboPhred | cant find the code that displays the gsm enable/disable menu |
| 19:06.42 | RoboPhred | found the gsm applet but doesnt seem to be any mention of it |
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| 19:07.08 | ph|ber | when is hte public release??!!!! |
| 19:07.27 | RoboPhred | estimated around march |
| 19:07.35 | RoboPhred | not confirmed |
| 19:07.58 | RoboPhred | not sure if that is end-user date or just the final hardware |
| 19:08.10 | ph|ber | damn.. k thanks |
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| 19:08.31 | maito | thanks RoboPhred :) |
| 19:09.03 | RoboPhred | I cant do much coding yet, but at least I can be semi-usefull here |
| 19:10.02 | RoboPhred | blarg, still cant find where the code is for the gsm menu |
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| 19:13.22 | Tronic | RoboPhred: I am trying to say that a checkbox widget or a checkbox menu option should be used for things that enable/disable something. |
| 19:14.10 | Tronic | Instead of using e.g. buttons with changing text (Enable Something) when disabled and vice-versa, or using two buttons (which is what you seem to be complaining about). |
| 19:14.34 | wurp2 | I agree entirely |
| 19:15.08 | wurp2 | Buttons with changing text are often confusing - does "GPS on" mean GPS is currently on, or I should push the button to turn GPS on? |
| 19:15.26 | wurp2 | Whereas the checkbox is more straightforward |
| 19:15.33 | RoboPhred | true |
| 19:15.47 | RoboPhred | alright, time to go learn more gtk and figure out how to do this |
| 19:15.56 | maito | wurp2: or you can do like: when gps is on, the text is green, when its not, grey |
| 19:15.57 | RoboPhred | still need to find where the code for it is hidden... |
| 19:16.10 | RoboPhred | would need to watch out for color schemes on that |
| 19:16.18 | wurp2 | maito: Sure, but I still do feel that using the checkbox is more intuitive |
| 19:16.36 | wurp2 | Although I wouldn't argue with doing both... |
| 19:16.36 | RoboPhred | Text can be made clear by "Turn GPS on" rather than just "GPS on" |
| 19:16.37 | maito | it probably is but not as "pretty" |
| 19:16.58 | maito | we need eyecandy to show off to non-geek friends ;) |
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| 19:17.05 | wurp2 | maito: Yeah, and I'm not sure I'm a good resource on that. I generally prefer standard to pretty |
| 19:17.44 | RoboPhred | I fought firefox that wasnt friendly with themes, so hopefully om will be made more friendly |
| 19:17.50 | RoboPhred | I go even more theme insane on my phones than I do with computers |
| 19:18.15 | Sup3rkiddo | RoboPhred, tried firefox personas? |
| 19:18.23 | RoboPhred | just whatever ubuntu comes with |
| 19:18.29 | RoboPhred | will take a look at that though |
| 19:18.46 | RoboPhred | the issue was with websites I think, they were setting custom background colors but not text colors |
| 19:18.50 | RoboPhred | so I got white bg on white text |
| 19:18.53 | wurp2 | Anyone know the solution to "arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-as: unrecognized option `-Qy'" in MokoMakefile? |
| 19:19.05 | wurp2 | I rebuilt arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-as, with no effect |
| 19:19.22 | RoboPhred | what stage of the building does that occure on? |
| 19:19.36 | RoboPhred | I am still rebuilding everything, did a full update 30 mins ago or so |
| 19:19.43 | RoboPhred | havent had that come up so far |
| 19:20.09 | wurp2 | Building gcc-cross, I think |
| 19:20.17 | wurp2 | I have never had a good build :-( |
| 19:20.36 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, you have a loooong way to go..buddy |
| 19:20.37 | RoboPhred | I am crunching packages right now, so I guess it worked for me |
| 19:20.38 | wurp2 | out of about 30 tries over 6 or 7 sessions |
| 19:20.52 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: I figured |
| 19:21.25 | RoboPhred | I have that sort of luck with linux compiles for a game mod I manage |
| 19:21.42 | wurp2 | RoboPhred: Well, gcc-cross is a package, so I'm not sure you're past it |
| 19:21.43 | RoboPhred | currently it is failing to compile a file that hasnt changed since the last 30 or so sucessful compiles |
| 19:21.55 | RoboPhred | what number is it? |
| 19:22.03 | RoboPhred | 3309~ right now |
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| 19:24.32 | apaulsen | Can someone with a recent 2.6.22.5 kernel on a GTA01 check if chgstate returns funny strings like this: http://rafb.net/p/7AEHhK76.html |
| 19:26.12 | kdean06 | apaulsen, I got that on 2.6.22.5-moko11-svnr3801 |
| 19:26.13 | tonyg | apaulsen, that seems familiar, from when I was digging in that area |
| 19:26.31 | apaulsen | thanks guys, I was hoping I didn't break it with my patches in that file |
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| 19:33.32 | wurp2 | RoboPhred: When you say number, are you referring to the "revision XXXX" messages? |
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| 19:33.56 | wurp2 | 'cause I'm pretty sure that just refers to the svn revision used from each of the repositories |
| 19:34.07 | RoboPhred | Running task x of y |
| 19:34.23 | wurp2 | Hmm, I guess I missed those messages |
| 19:34.37 | wurp2 | I have given in and done a 'make clean' now, anyway :-/ |
| 19:34.47 | RoboPhred | alright, good luck |
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| 19:36.27 | RoboPhred | hmm, local wiki shows 4 others near me who have gta01s, wonder if any of them can be bothered to tutorialize me on getting started |
| 19:39.29 | wurp2 | RoboPhred: Have you read http://openmoko.togaware.com/survivor/Index.html ? |
| 19:39.43 | wurp2 | It is a little out of date, but the closest thing I've seen to a neo user manual |
| 19:41.21 | RoboPhred | link seems to be dead |
| 19:41.39 | RoboPhred | cant even get to togaware.com |
| 19:42.03 | wurp2 | Must be a routing issue |
| 19:42.07 | wurp2 | it comes up fine from here |
| 19:42.22 | wurp2 | Although I sent you the wrong link; that was the index, this is the table of contents: http://openmoko.togaware.com/survivor/openmoko.html |
| 19:42.24 | RoboPhred | probably, it isnt uncommon for the network here to do Strange and Unearthly things |
| 19:42.37 | cjb_ie | where's here? :) |
| 19:42.47 | RoboPhred | Arizona State U |
| 19:43.08 | ewon | I think it's a universal constant that university networks are adminned my monkeys on crack |
| 19:43.14 | ewon | s/my/by/ |
| 19:43.36 | cjb_ie | certainly true at mine |
| 19:43.36 | RoboPhred | we are stuck with somthing called Cisco Clean Acces |
| 19:43.51 | RoboPhred | which purpose is to not let you use the internet because your firewall isnt updated because you cant use the internet |
| 19:43.58 | cjb_ie | a flat network for a /16 with over 10k machines on it |
| 19:44.00 | wurp2 | Dunno how persistent you want to be |
| 19:44.20 | RoboPhred | luckally they allow you in without it when using linux, but they are talking about getting CCA for linux too... |
| 19:44.22 | wurp2 | But you could add a hosts entry for openmoko.togaware.com for 203.202.10.111 and try again |
| 19:44.29 | wurp2 | Which would get you past it if it's a DNS issue |
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| 19:45.24 | RoboPhred | I tried swapping the moko.toga.com with the ip, just threw up a not found |
| 19:45.43 | wurp2 | Yeah |
| 19:45.45 | wurp2 | That won't work |
| 19:45.48 | wurp2 | but a host entry should |
| 19:45.52 | wurp2 | They're doing virtual hosting |
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| 19:46.02 | RoboPhred | dont know how for linux, would welcome a quick mention or I can google it |
| 19:46.06 | wurp2 | If you got a not found, the host entry should work - it's just a DNS problem |
| 19:46.11 | wurp2 | sudo vi /etc/hosts |
| 19:46.33 | RoboPhred | last time I used vi I ended up killing x completely, so I will go with nano if its the same to you :P |
| 19:46.35 | wurp2 | I don't remember if the hostname or the IP goes first, but it's just "host<tab>ip" or vice versa |
| 19:46.40 | wurp2 | Heh |
| 19:46.41 | RoboPhred | never can get the hang of it |
| 19:46.44 | wurp2 | Yeah, sorry, reflex |
| 19:47.15 | wurp2 | vi is great once you learn the interface, shite otherwise |
| 19:47.39 | CM | vim |
| 19:48.09 | RoboPhred | no I need to restart any service to get the host change? |
| 19:48.27 | RoboPhred | do* |
| 19:48.39 | cjb_ie | nope |
| 19:48.48 | RoboPhred | not getting me anywhere then |
| 19:48.51 | RoboPhred | unless I need to restart firefox |
| 19:49.03 | cjb_ie | wouldn't expect so |
| 19:49.18 | RoboPhred | well, my ff has odd caching to the point of insanity |
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| 19:49.38 | RoboPhred | I can change to a different wireless network and going to the first page still brings me the old network login page, even with a full refresh |
| 19:50.07 | RoboPhred | ah well, buggerit |
| 19:50.37 | nano- | RoboPhred: No it's not. vim is better than me. much much better. |
| 19:51.30 | wurp2 | :-( |
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| 20:05.53 | RoboPhred | openmoko.com says 2.5G gsm, that mean Edge support? |
| 20:06.09 | wurp2 | nope :-( |
| 20:06.12 | wurp2 | gprs |
| 20:06.18 | idioterna | ROI of time to learn vi/vim is HUGE, and the TCO of all the knowledge required to master vim is practically zero for anyone working with unices :) |
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| 20:09.03 | wurp2 | hah |
| 20:09.10 | RoboPhred | oh dear, compile just hit a wall |
| 20:09.21 | wurp2 | I am an old enough fogey now that I don't even remember where or when I learned that stuff |
| 20:09.53 | wurp2 | Other than learning the hjkl key navigation playing Moria |
| 20:10.00 | LarstiQ | playing Dark Castle in my case, on the mac :) |
| 20:11.43 | RoboPhred | ERROR: Task 3137 (/home/robophred/openmoko/openembedded/packages/efl1/embryo-native_cvs.bb, do_fetch) failed\ |
| 20:12.00 | RoboPhred | is that a failed to download? |
| 20:12.03 | wurp2 | Yeah |
| 20:12.07 | RoboPhred | bugger |
| 20:12.20 | RoboPhred | ah well, off to lunch, will do another attempt l ater |
| 20:12.20 | wurp2 | Try looking in the logs to find what file didn't dl, then search the web for it |
| 20:12.25 | wurp2 | then put it in your cache |
| 20:12.40 | RoboPhred | thanks for your help in generalness |
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| 21:01.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1187 has been created by andrew.paulsen(AT)packetdigital.com |
| 21:01.02 | cdbot2 | * * chgstate gives incorrect output (fix) |
| 21:01.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1187 |
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| 22:39.39 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03werner * r3875 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (gta02-bt-fixes.patch pcf506xx.patch series): (log message trimmed) |
| 22:39.39 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Increase BT voltage from 2.5V to 3.2V on GTA02, enable/disable the regulator |
| 22:39.39 | CIA-15 | openmoko: to control BT power, and assorted build fixes. |
| 22:39.39 | CIA-15 | openmoko: series: added pcf506xx.patch and gta02-bt-fixes.patch |
| 22:39.39 | CIA-15 | openmoko: pcf506xx.patch: |
| 22:39.42 | CIA-15 | openmoko: - include/linux/pcf50606.h (struct pmu_voltage_rail, enum pmu_event, pmu_cb): |
| 22:39.44 | CIA-15 | openmoko: moved to pcf506xx.h |
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| 22:45.53 | kdean06 | What is the name of the application used to input my contacts in my address book? I thought this was openmoko-contacts2 but I can't seem to find that in the SVN tree in applications, is it part of another package? |
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| 22:55.09 | wurp2 | kdean06: Sorry, no idea |
| 22:55.27 | wurp2 | Is there some unique-ish text in the UI that you could grep for in the packages source? |
| 22:55.41 | kdean06 | I found a way to figure it out, I think, anyway. I'll see what package the bug was assigned to... |
| 22:55.51 | wurp2 | makes sense |
| 22:57.25 | kdean06 | Hrm... It's assigned top openmoko-contacts... Kinda confirms what i'm thinking... Now to your suggestion, I'll find a phrase or something and grep for that. |
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| 22:59.22 | kdean06 | wurp2, I did install qtopia today at your recommendation. It's interesting to see a bit more of what the neo CAN do. It was rather snappy and the audio was louder. I think it kinda sucks in terms of usibility, but a good learning exercise. :) |
| 23:00.48 | ljp | kdean06: how does it lack in usability? |
| 23:01.48 | kdean06 | I suppose it's a matter of opinion, but the screen full of icons isn't really intuitive. I mean, I could figure it out but intuitive to me doesn't require logical thought, it should "feel" right. |
| 23:03.09 | kdean06 | The handwriting recognition thing wasn't that great, IMO either. Not natural characters for me. The backspace was, though. :) |
| 23:03.35 | wurp2 | I think I prefer the screen full of icons, but there should be some way to get a description |
| 23:03.41 | wurp2 | click & hold or something |
| 23:04.00 | wurp2 | The lack of a term just totally turned me off, though |
| 23:04.12 | ljp | ya, click and hold is not used in qtopia 4 |
| 23:04.33 | ljp | what do you need a term for? |
| 23:04.39 | wurp2 | and when Lorn (or whatever his name is) said on the mailing list "why would anyone want that", it was an even bigger turn off |
| 23:04.43 | wurp2 | heh |
| 23:04.52 | wurp2 | Lorn, I presume? ;-) |
| 23:04.55 | ljp | that is me |
| 23:04.57 | ljp | :) |
| 23:05.03 | kdean06 | Icons are okay if they make sense, I think. But really, how does a user who doesn't KNOW what the Bluetooth logo is know that's used for connecting Bluetooth devices? |
| 23:05.12 | wurp2 | Well, I write python code, and make notes, and edit my config files |
| 23:05.22 | wurp2 | and I know how to do all those things well with a term |
| 23:05.35 | wurp2 | I see no reason to learn a bunch of new apps to do those things if I don't have to |
| 23:05.51 | wurp2 | And I grep around for things, etc. |
| 23:06.19 | wurp2 | I understand that it's not important to any normal cell phone user |
| 23:06.32 | wurp2 | But I'm not choosing an OS for a normal cell phone user, I'm choosing one for me :-) |
| 23:07.00 | ljp | well, t is open source, if it is important enough, someone will write/port one |
| 23:07.08 | wurp2 | sure |
| 23:07.27 | wurp2 | When that happens, I may well reconsider which OS I want on my neo |
| 23:07.35 | wurp2 | Does QTopia use pulseaudio? |
| 23:07.48 | ljp | nope. |
| 23:07.56 | ljp | can use gstreamer though |
| 23:08.01 | ljp | and has support for helix |
| 23:08.03 | wurp2 | How do you manage switching from one audio config, audio source, etc to another? |
| 23:08.22 | wurp2 | e.g. when I'm listening to music and the phone rings |
| 23:08.44 | wurp2 | pulseaudio seems like one of my primary sticking points on openmoko |
| 23:08.46 | ljp | well, QAudioStates does that. the various apps ask for a change in state |
| 23:08.56 | wurp2 | cool, thanks |
| 23:09.28 | wurp2 | That seems a better solution to me. Pulseaudio looks great on paper, but it seems like too much cpu for a phone right now |
| 23:10.49 | ljp | but its up to the audiohardware plugin in the device configuration that does the real state changing work |
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| 23:18.51 | jorgenpt | ljp: Hey, you've probably got a good grip on the PM thing - the same problem is bothering Qtopia as OM, isn't it? |
| 23:20.32 | dkenzior | if someone needs it that badly, I'm sure someone will write one :) |
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| 23:22.56 | ljp | mwester: qtopia development is driven mainly by customers, not one customer has wanted a terminal on a phone |
| 23:23.40 | ljp | i ask that question because I am trying to understand why someone would really need a term app on a phone |
| 23:24.05 | wurp2 | dkenzior: Or they will go to another OS that has one... |
| 23:24.14 | maito | I would need a terminal :/ |
| 23:24.19 | jorgenpt | Because people are more in love with the technical aspect of running linux on a phone, than the functional? |
| 23:24.23 | mwester | ljp: we've tried to tell you that we here (on this IRC and on the ML are not your typical customers, and that *we* would like a terminal app on the phone. |
| 23:24.25 | mwester | That's all. |
| 23:24.47 | wurp2 | ljp: I don't need one, but I don't need a phone with an open OS, either. I *want* one because I'm a hacker, and it's an intuitive (to me) way to fiddle with stuff. |
| 23:24.50 | maito | ssh and overall controlling the phone :) |
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| 23:25.30 | ljp | mwester: I am not against a term. i would like one as well. I am "fishing" so to speak |
| 23:25.38 | wurp2 | ljp: There are just tons of command line apps that are very easy to port, and are instantly available if there is a term |
| 23:25.40 | mwester | To us, the device isn't an appliance, where some developer has thought of everything that I might ever wish to do with it. Rather, it is a platform, *I* am the developer, and I wish a terminal to make it easier for me to open the device (so to speak) and make it do something that you never ever thought of making it do. |
| 23:25.57 | wurp2 | Whereas w/o the term, each of those apps has to have a gui built for it, which is unlikely to happen soon |
| 23:26.17 | maito | wurp2: in some cases, never |
| 23:26.24 | wurp2 | And with the gui, you lose the unix-y piping and other command line tricks |
| 23:26.29 | ljp | but on a phone without a keyboard, are you _really_ going to be doing much typing? |
| 23:26.46 | maito | yes |
| 23:26.51 | dkenzior | I'd like a term as well, but TT has very limited resources. Perhaps if enough people want one badly enough, they should start a project |
| 23:26.57 | wurp2 | ljp: I'm not sure... I have done quite a bit so far, but the shiny hasn't worn off mine yet |
| 23:27.04 | maito | I think some people will buy a bluetooth kbd |
| 23:27.17 | dkenzior | And maybe some Trolls will help them out :) |
| 23:27.22 | wurp2 | But I expect that I'll be getting a pocket bt kbd soonish |
| 23:27.40 | ljp | there is one in OpieII.. but it needs work. it compiles but has painter problems since it was originally a qt2 app |
| 23:27.49 | ljp | someone could Qt'ify konsole 4 |
| 23:28.06 | kdean06 | ljp, My primary reason for purchasing the Neo was to be able to (eventually) access my servers in the event of an emergency, my job has me on call. |
| 23:28.15 | maito | hm, ljp, ever used something called yakuake? |
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| 23:28.54 | maito | ljp: basically its a dropdown konsole. quite handy! maybe that idea could be somehow reused |
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| 23:29.45 | maito | ljp: hence the name, it works like the terminal in quake (II and III) |
| 23:32.22 | Psi_ | that does sound quite cool |
| 23:36.47 | ljp | I have been working on porting konsole4 in my spare time, I am half way though getting it compiling. but with 2 small kids, I have no real spare time anymore |
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| 23:38.04 | Stephmw | ljp: send the kids to the mines, make em earn that living :) |
| 23:38.27 | maito | :D |
| 23:38.39 | maito | back to the industrialism? :P |
| 23:39.01 | Stephmw | I plan to let my kids grow up feral for the first 5 years... and deal with the issue slater |
| 23:40.06 | kristian-m | are bluetooth and mac addresses assigned by the same authority? |
| 23:40.06 | Psi_ | heh |
| 23:40.32 | anrp | clearly, the solution is to teach the kids to code |
| 23:41.31 | ljp | Stephmw: one has only started being able to sit for a few minutes.. but... ok! |
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| 23:44.46 | Stephmw | ljp: they don't even need to sit up... crawling is fine |
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| 23:45.04 | ljp | hmmm.. she cant do that, but can roll |
| 23:48.10 | wurp2 | ljp: How old is your older child? |
| 23:48.53 | ljp | 2 years 4 months |
| 23:49.13 | wurp2 | I have a 3yr, 6 yr, and 12 yr old |
| 23:49.48 | wurp2 | The baby + toddler simultaneously thing is a bit rough :-) |
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| 23:50.35 | maito | heh |
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