| 00:00.30 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: or use non-recommended speeds |
| 00:00.30 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: and there isn't a 36MHz clock in the table IIRC, which means the lowest one is more like 40something |
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| 00:02.24 | SpeedEvil | With GTA02 the voltage reduction shoulf really help at that speed. |
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| 00:09.42 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: hm... you said the screen was flickery with slow speeds... isn't it possible that the flicker wasn't the screen, but the PWM timer which controls the backlight? |
| 00:09.59 | cesarb | too much depends on these clocks :| |
| 00:10.04 | SpeedEvil | Umm. |
| 00:10.14 | SpeedEvil | No - it was at maximum brightness |
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| 00:12.05 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: it's not the brightness, it's that the timer which controls the PWM has to be fast enough to avoid flicker. If it got too slow, it's possible its frequency went into the visible range. |
| 00:12.24 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: don't think so. |
| 00:12.39 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: if it's set to 100% duty cycle, it won't flicker at all |
| 00:12.43 | Psi_ | that only applys when the brightness isnt at 100% |
| 00:12.48 | Psi_ | heh snap |
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| 00:19.27 | cesarb | wel, so far the only missing ones are: backlight, vibrator, touchscreen, SD/MMC, I2C, IIS, SPI, actually compiling everything, and testing. |
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| 00:35.40 | CIA-1 | openmoko: 03werner * r3823 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (fail-unless-uimage.patch series): |
| 00:35.40 | CIA-1 | openmoko: Fail the build noisily if "mkimage" can't be found, e.g., if we forgot to add |
| 00:35.40 | CIA-1 | openmoko: the u-boot directory to PATH. |
| 00:35.40 | CIA-1 | openmoko: fail-unless-uimage.patch: |
| 00:35.40 | CIA-1 | openmoko: - scripts/mkuboot.sh: on failure, exit 1, not 0 |
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| 00:43.29 | duffyd | hi, is it just me or has planet.openmoko.org died? |
| 00:44.44 | Mononoke | you mean being offline or no new blogs? |
| 00:45.21 | CIA-1 | openmoko: 03werner * r3824 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/ (config/ config/defconfig-2.6.24-rc7 scripts/ scripts/build): |
| 00:45.21 | CIA-1 | openmoko: scripts/build: build script adapted for 2.6.24-rc7 kernel (for use during |
| 00:45.21 | CIA-1 | openmoko: transition) |
| 00:45.21 | CIA-1 | openmoko: config/defconfig-2.6.24-rc7: default configuration for 2.6.24-rc7 |
| 00:45.21 | CIA-1 | openmoko: - removed CONFIG_SND_USB_AUDIO |
| 00:45.23 | CIA-1 | openmoko: - removed CONFIG_BRIDGE |
| 00:46.15 | duffyd | Mononoke: no new blogs |
| 00:46.53 | duffyd | Mononoke: btw you from Japan? |
| 00:47.05 | duffyd | just your name sounds very much like a famous Japanese movie :) |
| 00:47.44 | Mononoke | duffyd: yes there are no new blog, maybe mark of people being bussy and I'm not from japan |
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| 00:49.06 | duffyd | Mononoke: true seems bit strange, though |
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| 03:50.16 | kdean06 | I've seen a ton of "shells" for the Neo in it's various stages of life. Is there any way (other than building my own) to get some of them? Being sold from FIC, third party, et cetera? |
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| 04:00.27 | grakker | OK, I actually logged in to see wtf was up with the latest release. I've been putting off buying a new cell for about six months. December came and went... I will check back sometime after March 1st. Very effective topic on the channel. |
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| 04:51.18 | duffyd | hi, I've just upgraded OM using the daily ipkg feed and now my OM just cycles with an error like adc_read ... |
| 04:51.32 | duffyd | I was using a snapshot from late 2007 prior |
| 04:52.10 | duffyd | whenever the last official one was, 2007.08 ? but I had done an ipkg update/upgrade prior to updating to the daily feed. Any clues? |
| 04:52.21 | duffyd | do I need to update my kernel or rootfs snapshot? |
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| 04:56.26 | duffyd | I'm getting this cycling through on the screen: |
| 04:56.27 | duffyd | Jan 5 06:02:59 fic-gta01 user.warn kernel: adc_read: returning 719 0 |
| 04:56.27 | duffyd | Jan 5 06:02:59 fic-gta01 user.warn kernel: adc_read: entering (pcf=c072d800, channel=0, data2=00000000) |
| 04:56.27 | duffyd | Jan 5 06:02:59 fic-gta01 user.warn kernel: pcf50606_irq: entering(irq=53, pcf=c072d800): scheduling work |
| 04:56.27 | duffyd | Jan 5 06:02:59 fic-gta01 user.warn kernel: pcf50606_work: INT1=0x00 INT2=0x00 INT3=0x01:ADCRDY |
| 04:57.13 | duffyd | and in /var/log/messages |
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| 05:17.35 | duffyd | i'm also getting these errors when doing an ipkg upgrade: task-base-usbhost: unsatisfied recommendation for kernel-module-uhci-hcd |
| 05:17.45 | duffyd | does this mean I need to reflash the kernel image? |
| 05:18.49 | duffyd | hey weird I've now got an Angstrom boot screen :) |
| 05:18.52 | duffyd | no more openmoko one |
| 05:20.40 | duffyd | but it boots up (which is a bonus) |
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| 08:12.23 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:14.00 | duffyd | hi, I've just updated with the latest packages from buildhost.openmoko.org/daily and now my SIM card doesn't seem to be registering with the cell network |
| 08:14.10 | duffyd | it keeps on saying 'not searching' and does nothing |
| 08:14.25 | duffyd | previously it did register with the network |
| 08:14.35 | duffyd | I'm also using the 2007.08 snapshot |
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| 08:16.19 | duffyd | actually just realised I'm using the 2007.11 feed :) |
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| 08:17.33 | duffyd | btw what's the difference between /daily and /daily-feed |
| 08:17.34 | duffyd | ? |
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| 08:31.31 | duffyd | anyone? |
| 08:31.39 | duffyd | hi, I've just updated with the latest packages from buildhost.openmoko.org/daily and now my SIM card doesn't seem to be registering with the cell network |
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| 08:31.42 | duffyd | it keeps on saying 'not searching' and does nothing |
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| 08:36.37 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 08:41.22 | ScaredyCat | meep |
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| 08:44.43 | duffyd | hi |
| 08:44.59 | duffyd | ScaredyCat: are you aware of any gsmd issues in the latest ipkg packages? |
| 08:45.08 | duffyd | can't seem to get my GSM card to be registered by the network |
| 08:45.40 | duffyd | ScaredyCat: there seems to be a patch here: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=317&action=view but unsure if this is the fix |
| 08:45.43 | duffyd | bug is still open, though |
| 08:46.44 | duffyd | ScaredyCat: this is also my kernel version: Linux fic-gta01 2.6.22.5-moko11 #1 PREEMPT Sun Jan 13 04:09:41 UTC 2008 armv4tl unknown |
| 08:46.47 | duffyd | unsure how recent this is |
| 08:48.33 | ScaredyCat | errm |
| 08:48.44 | ScaredyCat | where did you get the kernel etc |
| 08:48.53 | ScaredyCat | I use mine :) |
| 08:49.07 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/ |
| 08:49.13 | duffyd | buildhost.openmoko.org |
| 08:49.14 | duffyd | :) |
| 08:49.36 | duffyd | I can make the changes for the ipkg feeds if need be |
| 08:50.16 | duffyd | ScaredyCat: does your gsmd work (i.e. for your ipkg feeds)? |
| 08:50.38 | ScaredyCat | seems to be fine for me both in the uk and .nl |
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| 08:51.08 | duffyd | ok |
| 08:51.21 | ScaredyCat | I build the bleeding edge stuff... |
| 08:51.35 | duffyd | ScaredyCat: so if I want to update to your packages (I'm using the /daily feed at the moment) do I just change all my ipkg feeds and do an ipkg update && ipkg upgrade? |
| 08:51.37 | ScaredyCat | iirc the stuff in openmoko builds is 'safe' |
| 08:51.43 | duffyd | k |
| 08:52.45 | ScaredyCat | cd /etc/ipkg |
| 08:52.45 | ScaredyCat | wget http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/scaredycat.conf |
| 08:52.45 | ScaredyCat | ipkg update |
| 08:52.50 | ScaredyCat | cd /etc/ipkg |
| 08:52.50 | ScaredyCat | wget http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/scaredycat.conf |
| 08:52.50 | ScaredyCat | ipkg update |
| 08:52.54 | ScaredyCat | oops sorry |
| 08:53.13 | ScaredyCat | that's what ou wnt to do to add my repo |
| 08:53.25 | duffyd | oh that's easy :) |
| 08:53.26 | duffyd | thanks |
| 08:54.09 | ScaredyCat | make sure your kernel matches your modules... |
| 08:54.11 | duffyd | I'm really starting to like this ipkg stuff :) |
| 08:54.18 | ScaredyCat | hehe |
| 08:54.20 | duffyd | oh, ok - how do I do that? |
| 08:54.27 | ScaredyCat | brb - incomming delivery |
| 08:54.30 | duffyd | k |
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| 08:57.43 | ScaredyCat | look at the image you install (rootfs) and install the kernel that was built at the same time |
| 08:58.23 | duffyd | ScaredyCat: yeah, thought you were talking about the ipkgs |
| 08:58.40 | duffyd | I was under the impression you could update the kernel now with ipkgs? |
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| 08:59.13 | ScaredyCat | I've not done that, but that's because I like to test my builds |
| 08:59.26 | duffyd | ok |
| 08:59.26 | ScaredyCat | so I build and flash them |
| 08:59.34 | ScaredyCat | rathe than upgrade.. |
| 08:59.44 | duffyd | I'm just going to do a ipkg upgrade (and see what happens) |
| 08:59.47 | duffyd | call me crazy ;) |
| 08:59.50 | ScaredyCat | lol |
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| 09:36.02 | duffyd | ScaredyCat: GSM works on your ipkg repo!!!!! |
| 09:36.06 | duffyd | ScaredyCat: thanks a lot! |
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| 09:41.00 | duffyd | why is the messages app so flakey :( |
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| 09:55.08 | ScaredyCat | :) |
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| 10:00.30 | duffyd | ScaredyCat: how's your messages app? |
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| 10:11.53 | ScaredyCat | dunno, haven't tried it myself... don't really sms people |
| 10:12.29 | duffyd | ok |
| 10:12.35 | duffyd | mine doesn't even open |
| 10:12.43 | duffyd | I can make phone calls, though |
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| 10:16.24 | gamin | mine does open but I have no clue how this works |
| 10:16.49 | duffyd | gamin: :) you using ScaredyCat's ipkg feeds? |
| 10:17.05 | gamin | duffyd: no, I'm building myself |
| 10:20.26 | gamin | make openmoko-devel-image :) |
| 10:20.35 | gamin | no magic there |
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| 10:21.57 | rwhitby | gamin: can I add that to the testimonials page? |
| 10:23.07 | gamin | rwhitby: it was was meant as compliment! |
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| 10:23.44 | gamin | actually I think it *is* magic |
| 10:23.49 | gamin | :o) |
| 10:24.09 | rwhitby | gamin: I took it as a compliment. |
| 10:24.23 | rwhitby | that's why I wanted to add it to the testimonials page |
| 10:24.27 | gamin | rwhitby: feel free to add it |
| 10:25.45 | duffyd | gamin: really on the OM or pc? |
| 10:26.49 | gamin | duffyd: no sure what you mean, but I build on debian. Am not using the qemu though as I have a neo |
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| 10:27.08 | concorr | hi |
| 10:28.23 | gamin | rwhitby: can I switch between update-bleeding-edge and update-makefile, or is that a one-way road? |
| 10:28.49 | rwhitby | it's one-way until the next time that OM updates the stable server from the bleeding edge server |
| 10:29.40 | rwhitby | you can also go back if you're prepared to identify a specific monotone revision and edit the makefile to freeze at that revision and then remember to unfreeze once OM updates the stable server. |
| 10:30.11 | gamin | thanks, that helps |
| 10:31.21 | duffyd | gamin: oh ic, do the make and then install the image using dfs-util? |
| 10:31.36 | gamin | duffyd: yes |
| 10:31.47 | gamin | works like a charm here |
| 10:31.49 | hrw | rwhitby: 'make freeze mtnrev'? |
| 10:32.03 | duffyd | cool |
| 10:33.26 | gamin | duffyd: if you have a decent machine, a couple gigs free hd and a decent internet connection, it works like described on the wiki |
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| 10:36.12 | concorr | i have a error when i compile and run for cross arm... |
| 10:36.20 | concorr | the error is-> FATAL: kernel too old |
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| 10:36.36 | concorr | my system launch whith a kernel compiled with uclibc chains, but i compile new programs with a diferent |
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| 11:39.41 | gamin | is there any info about how to use the agps with the gllin? |
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| 13:41.08 | mickeyl | ~seen writchie |
| 13:41.10 | apt | writchie <n=writchie@195.230.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 26d 18h 48m 55s ago, saying: 'some 4 band 3g phones are called 3 band gsm 900/1800/1900 with UMTS 2100'. |
| 13:41.14 | mickeyl | hmm 26 days |
| 13:41.18 | ScaredyCat | wow |
| 13:41.45 | ScaredyCat | long christmas holiday ;) |
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| 13:45.45 | mickeyl | indeed |
| 13:46.07 | mickeyl | i wonder whether we can still expect the kernel MUXer from him |
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| 13:51.24 | balrog-kun | i think we couldn't from the beginning |
| 13:51.29 | balrog-kun | but i'm a known pessimist |
| 13:54.55 | mickeyl | hmm really? |
| 13:54.58 | mickeyl | what made you think so? |
| 13:55.10 | mickeyl | he sounded pretty senior and confident |
| 13:56.59 | balrog-kun | hmm perhaps the traits of his work style |
| 13:57.11 | balrog-kun | in particular not disclosing the sources, even when asked |
| 13:57.51 | balrog-kun | yes, he does sound senior and confident (but that often indicates vaporware too) |
| 13:59.35 | balrog-kun | but i think it's not a reason to worry, i'm sure Harald will come up with a really good quality driver, probably better than other could make |
| 13:59.46 | balrog-kun | *others |
| 14:03.07 | hrw | optimist... |
| 14:03.37 | hrw | I am pesimist when it comes to gta |
| 14:04.02 | LaF0rge | hrw: well, I do have time, and there's a company wanting to pay me for it. So chances are high I will be working on it. But I'd rather not compare my code quality against somebody I don't know. |
| 14:05.01 | hrw | LaF0rge: its not about your code (which is great) |
| 14:05.21 | balrog-kun | yea, i may be assuming too much |
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| 14:05.40 | balrog-kun | hrw: the mux driver is not really anything GTA specific |
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| 14:07.59 | CIA-1 | openmoko: 03chris * r3826 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (ChangeLog src/sms-main.c src/sms-notes.c src/sms.h): (log message trimmed) |
| 14:07.59 | CIA-1 | openmoko: * src/sms-main.c: (new_clicked_cb), (main): |
| 14:07.59 | CIA-1 | openmoko: Add a forward button, clear the text view when composing a new |
| 14:07.59 | CIA-1 | openmoko: message |
| 14:07.59 | CIA-1 | openmoko: * src/sms-notes.c: (page_shown), (page_hidden), |
| 14:08.03 | CIA-1 | openmoko: (forward_clicked_cb), (selection_changed_cb), (sms_notes_page_new): |
| 14:08.05 | CIA-1 | openmoko: Add basic forward message functionality (bug #1171) |
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| 14:21.43 | CIA-1 | openmoko: 03chris * r3827 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 14:21.43 | CIA-1 | openmoko: Patch by Roman Moravcik <roman.moravcik@gmail.com>, bug #1153 |
| 14:21.43 | CIA-1 | openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-dialer.c: (on_call_progress): |
| 14:21.43 | CIA-1 | openmoko: Hide talking window when call missed or caller hung up |
| 14:21.43 | CIA-1 | openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-talking.h: |
| 14:21.43 | CIA-1 | openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-talking.c: (moko_talking_incoming_call), |
| 14:21.43 | CIA-1 | openmoko: (moko_talking_outgoing_call), (moko_talking_accepted_call), |
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| 15:19.04 | CIA-1 | openmoko: 03chris * r3828 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 15:19.04 | CIA-1 | openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-network.c: (retry_oper_get), |
| 15:19.04 | CIA-1 | openmoko: (retry_opers_get), (retry_get_imsi), (on_network_registered), |
| 15:19.04 | CIA-1 | openmoko: (net_msghandler), (phone_msghandler), (moko_network_init): |
| 15:19.04 | CIA-1 | openmoko: Only retry n amount of times before giving up on getting imsi, |
| 15:19.08 | CIA-1 | openmoko: subscriber number and network number |
| 15:19.10 | CIA-1 | openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-sms.c: (moko_sms_send): |
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| 15:52.08 | CIA-1 | openmoko: 03chris * r3829 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (8 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 15:52.08 | CIA-1 | openmoko: Patch by: Roman Moracvik <roman.moravcik@gmail.com>, bug #1157 |
| 15:52.08 | CIA-1 | openmoko: * configure.ac: |
| 15:52.08 | CIA-1 | openmoko: * src/dialer/Makefile.am: |
| 15:52.08 | CIA-1 | openmoko: Add libjana-gtk to dependencies |
| 15:52.09 | CIA-1 | openmoko: * data/Makefile.am: |
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| 15:58.38 | Lifeeth | Any one from India?? |
| 15:58.53 | Sup3rkiddo | Lifeeth, me |
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| 16:11.22 | PBeck | hi |
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| 16:18.32 | wurp2 | hello |
| 16:18.51 | Sup3rkiddo | hi |
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| 16:19.43 | wurp2 | Has anyone played around with checking the precision & accuracy of the GPS on the gta01? |
| 16:20.35 | wurp2 | My casual measurements so far don't look so good - maybe accurate to within 10 meters at best |
| 16:20.42 | wurp2 | or maybe my expectations were just off |
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| 16:25.17 | gamin | wurp2: quite precise here, often ~2m |
| 16:25.33 | gamin | depends on the amount of sats in sight |
| 16:25.59 | XorA | dont complain about gta01 GPS until you use the n810 one :-D |
| 16:26.04 | gamin | in town can be as bad as ~50m |
| 16:26.17 | gamin | XorA: is it bad? |
| 16:26.42 | XorA | probably about 50m out, in countryside |
| 16:26.52 | gamin | you are kidding? |
| 16:27.01 | gamin | are they all that bad? |
| 16:27.50 | XorA | no idea, but its pretty useless for what its meant to be used for thats in car navigation |
| 16:28.00 | XorA | unless your car is a monster truck |
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| 16:29.32 | gamin | btw: has anybody got the agps to work with the gllin? |
| 16:30.14 | gamin | there are some options to cut it of, but at least here it does not connect anywhere in order to get any assist data |
| 16:30.56 | gamin | agps or this lto long term orbit stuff? |
| 16:32.04 | spydon | lots of answers... :P |
| 16:32.30 | gamin | spydon: yes, can barley catch up reading... |
| 16:33.22 | spydon | They are writing so fast that I can't see anything of it :P |
| 16:36.50 | CIA-1 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r34 10/trunk/standards/otapi/ (README org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.xml): otapi: add preliminary interface description for org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS |
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| 16:39.24 | umpalumpa | g'day everyone |
| 16:39.48 | wurp2 | gamin: How are you measuring it? |
| 16:40.11 | wurp2 | I wrote a little python program to tell me my distance from where I was when the program first got a fix |
| 16:40.16 | wurp2 | it tells me every 3 seconds |
| 16:40.45 | wurp2 | and even outside, so far I haven't seen it make its first change in less than ~7 meters |
| 16:41.00 | wurp2 | and it often tells me I'm 10-15 meters from origin when I walk back to the origin |
| 16:41.15 | wurp2 | I haven't done any real testing yet, this is just anecdotes from playing with it |
| 16:41.58 | wurp2 | of course, I may just have a programming error, but that wouldn't explain the distance remaining 0.0 until I get ~7 meters away |
| 16:42.53 | umpalumpa | depends on how many satellites you have aquired i'd assume - are you indoors doing this testing? if so, the resolution might be very low, +/-10m or more |
| 16:43.02 | wurp2 | outdoors |
| 16:43.12 | wurp2 | southern latitudes (Tx) |
| 16:43.26 | wurp2 | s/Tx/Texas/ |
| 16:43.50 | wurp2 | I do notice that I often get a fix indoors, which seems contrary to other people's experience |
| 16:44.04 | wurp2 | Not in my workplace, too much metal, but in houses |
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| 16:44.11 | cjb_ie | with a garmin, the best fixes i ever got were in texas, until i experienced waas |
| 16:44.34 | umpalumpa | are you simply taking the WGS84 coordinates and taking the delta over time? or are you using doppler shift velocities, too? (does the OM GPS even support that?) |
| 16:44.41 | gamin | wurp2: I have an app with map display |
| 16:45.03 | cjb_ie | (something like 2 metre; compared to at best 5 metres at home in ireland. again before waas/egnos came on the scene) |
| 16:45.08 | wurp2 | I am just naively taking lat & long, multiplying lat delta by the cos of the long |
| 16:45.19 | umpalumpa | ok |
| 16:45.45 | umpalumpa | @cjb_ie ... didn't know portable handheld GPS devices support WAAS, even the new ones...? can you confirm? |
| 16:45.53 | wurp2 | gamin: What is the app? Just something you wrote? |
| 16:46.20 | SpeedEvil | umpalumpa: it depends on the chipset |
| 16:46.24 | gamin | wurp2: yep |
| 16:46.24 | wurp2 | I use navit, and it will always show you as being on the road, which often makes it more 'accurate', but sometimes makes it way off |
| 16:46.43 | SpeedEvil | umpalumpa: no - the only thing you get out is NMEA - from the binary driver. |
| 16:46.51 | cjb_ie | wurp2: what we refer to in the trade as 'cheating' :) |
| 16:47.03 | cjb_ie | umpalumpa: a couple of my garmins do it, as does my sirf3 and i think my sirf2 |
| 16:47.09 | cjb_ie | um... i may have too many GPSes. |
| 16:47.14 | SpeedEvil | gamin: no - as far as I know with agps |
| 16:47.33 | SpeedEvil | wurstwolf: are you doing that indoors? |
| 16:47.36 | wurp2 | gllin supports AGPS on the neo? |
| 16:47.38 | SpeedEvil | rupp: |
| 16:47.41 | SpeedEvil | wirp: |
| 16:47.45 | SpeedEvil | you |
| 16:47.56 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: Nope, the figures I gave were for outdoors |
| 16:47.59 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: yes - purportedly - nobodies explained how to do it |
| 16:48.17 | SpeedEvil | wurstwolf: I get significantly better than 10m. |
| 16:48.22 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: But they were anecdotal... I will do some real tests when I get my neo back from M Shiloh |
| 16:48.32 | SpeedEvil | wirp: though that is a 'within a 10m circle' |
| 16:48.33 | gamin | SpeedEvil: but the wiki explains at least how to switch it off ;-) |
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| 16:51.28 | wurp2 | gamin: Do you have any details on the app? Is source avialable somewhere, does it display your position on a map background image, is it python/C/??? |
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| 16:53.21 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 16:53.32 | bedboi | any remarkable news? |
| 16:54.28 | gamin | wurp2: C |
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| 16:56.33 | wurp2 | Oh, which brings me to another question... does anyone have an ipk for pypy or psyco available? |
| 16:56.38 | gamin | I have stopped working over xmas and now I need to get in again. similar to maemo-mapper, uses pixmaps. probability that it will see the light of day: 60%. |
| 16:57.07 | wurp2 | unless you open the incomplete source now... ;-) |
| 16:57.29 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, psyco is i386 only |
| 16:57.35 | mickeyl | couldn't we add an OpenMoko UI to maemo-mapper? |
| 16:57.55 | mickeyl | there's a bunch of maemo apps which would benefit from an OM ui |
| 16:58.05 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: You can do emulation to get it to run on ARM |
| 16:58.11 | mickeyl | Sup3rkiddo: have fun, that's like... a man year of work or so |
| 16:58.12 | Vegar | OM UI being GTK? |
| 16:58.16 | wurp2 | supposedly it's still significantly faster |
| 16:58.18 | mickeyl | Vegar: at this point of time, yes. |
| 16:58.25 | Sup3rkiddo | mickeyl, :P |
| 16:58.44 | Vegar | would it be possible to make a maemo->GTK library? |
| 16:58.47 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, it is?...any links?... |
| 16:58.53 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: Why port psyco rather than pypy... |
| 16:58.57 | mickeyl | actually, there's not much to port |
| 16:59.01 | wurp2 | I thunk pypy was supposed to be better |
| 16:59.08 | mickeyl | remove hildon-special widgets |
| 16:59.14 | mickeyl | and add some OM widgets instead |
| 16:59.15 | wurp2 | or at least, there is actual development going on for pypy |
| 16:59.22 | mickeyl | or don't even do that and try to port hildon to OM |
| 16:59.27 | mickeyl | would be interesting as well |
| 16:59.29 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, psyco is stable than pypy...but yeah, pypy is cool too |
| 16:59.35 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: Let me look for links re: psyco on arm |
| 16:59.45 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, yes, please..thanks |
| 17:00.06 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: Yeah, I don't have any real experience with pypy, but I've seen good results from psyco |
| 17:00.21 | wurp2 | I just read on his site that he was working on pypy to the exclusion of psyco |
| 17:00.23 | robtaylor | Sup3rkiddo, wurp2: pypy should generate LLVM, an there's an arm backend for LLVM |
| 17:00.36 | robtaylor | http://lca2007.linux.org.au/talk/27.html |
| 17:00.39 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, i have had a chat with the psyco creator once...he did suggested me that porting psyco or pypy is mammoth though |
| 17:00.51 | Sup3rkiddo | robtaylor, danke |
| 17:01.07 | robtaylor | Sup3rkiddo: np |
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| 17:02.50 | wurp2 | robtaylor, Sup3rkiddo: Apparently psyco also supports LLVM: http://psyco.sourceforge.net/psyco-pepm-l.ps.gz |
| 17:03.42 | Sup3rkiddo | that seems to an interesting stuff to make it work on the neo |
| 17:04.26 | wurp2 | It really seems to me that it's worth some effort to get a fast high level language going |
| 17:04.33 | Sup3rkiddo | +1 |
| 17:04.48 | wurp2 | C memory bugs are vicious, and if you can avoid them at least in your app level code, it's a big boon |
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| 17:05.02 | Sup3rkiddo | python has the batteries included..anyone claiming perl derserves to die a horrific death |
| 17:05.17 | hrw | mickeyl: maemo-mapper would be nice |
| 17:05.44 | wurp2 | Well, I still use perl for one liners & quick text processing stuff |
| 17:05.44 | hrw | mickeyl: but one of hardware keys would need to be mapped as menu one or you will have one widget on screen to open meny |
| 17:05.58 | mickeyl | yea |
| 17:06.10 | wurp2 | but python for anything 'real', except work related stuff, which is so far all Java :-/ |
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| 17:07.00 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: I think the LLVM comment is what I was remembering about running psyco on ARM |
| 17:07.23 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: just start writing it. Simple code is simple enough that you can just jump in with both feet. |
| 17:07.32 | wurp2 | Install pygame so you can get some shiny feedback. |
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| 17:07.39 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, yeah...=) |
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| 17:08.08 | Sup3rkiddo | sadly onboard flash isnt enough in gta02, |
| 17:08.21 | wurp2 | I am not really expert... I built www.moochmuch.com on TurboGears, a python framework |
| 17:08.52 | wurp2 | and I've built some fun little graphics & game apps on python, but I have lots to learn |
| 17:09.00 | Sup3rkiddo | aye |
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| 17:10.00 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: not enough to install all the python packages you'd need to build the basic neo apps in python? |
| 17:10.38 | wurp2 | s/not enough/not enough flash memory/ |
| 17:10.46 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, i have a lot of cruft of my own code...i need to clean that up |
| 17:11.09 | Sup3rkiddo | OE guys have done a good job in packaging python stuff |
| 17:11.23 | wurp2 | very much so |
| 17:11.41 | wurp2 | I had to do one little hack to get pyroute up, but I expected it to be worse... |
| 17:12.24 | wurp2 | But, it seems to me given that e.g. the media player is using standard libraries for the playback |
| 17:12.37 | wurp2 | one could write a much nicer media app in a short period of time using python |
| 17:13.00 | wurp2 | or using C, for that matter, but then you have mem bugs to worry about |
| 17:13.02 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, pygtk is bollocks on the neo, takes 5 seconds to startup |
| 17:13.22 | wurp2 | Ah, is that it |
| 17:13.28 | wurp2 | I wondered why pyroute was so slow |
| 17:13.54 | wurp2 | I had a little pygtk test app I wrote, but it wasn't coming up for other reasons, and I haven't tried it again since I figured those reasons out |
| 17:14.16 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, yeah, one of my code was just a simple pygtk app, that has a entry widget, text view widget and a button to send sms |
| 17:14.16 | wurp2 | hint: in python, don't name your module the same thing that one of the built in modules you're using is named ;-) |
| 17:15.11 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, may hurt eyes, http://sudharsh.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/screenshot-1.png |
| 17:15.28 | wurp2 | My guis are always painful to the eyes |
| 17:15.33 | wurp2 | I really need to work on that... |
| 17:15.53 | wurp2 | oh yeah, I actually saw that before |
| 17:15.59 | wurp2 | Didn't notice it was python |
| 17:17.28 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, subsequent executions are faster....if you bring in glade takes a little more time...i have a basic contacts hack in pygtk and thats suckier |
| 17:18.24 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: hmm... it seems it would be pretty easy to build a little python bootstrap app |
| 17:18.40 | wurp2 | that keeps a py env running all the time, so it would be MUCH quicker to start an app again |
| 17:18.46 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, like the interpreter running all the time? |
| 17:19.07 | wurp2 | I need to look into namespacing and threading in python to see if you could build a sort of mini app server with some partitioning between apps |
| 17:19.10 | wurp2 | yeah |
| 17:19.15 | Sup3rkiddo | ah..iirc someone was talking on similar lines a few days ago |
| 17:19.18 | wurp2 | it would be really easy to test it with one app |
| 17:19.39 | wurp2 | multiple apps would require some actual work, how much depending on how that stuff works in python |
| 17:19.44 | wurp2 | which I dunno |
| 17:19.50 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, gta03 will hopefully be much better |
| 17:20.02 | wurp2 | yeah |
| 17:20.05 | wurp2 | double speed is nice |
| 17:20.25 | Sup3rkiddo | i mean python in s60 is quite fast, bare bones .dlls, interpreter written in python itself |
| 17:20.36 | Sup3rkiddo | although python 2.2 for ngage qd |
| 17:20.52 | wurp2 | Yeah, it's the load time for packages that I'm thinking of |
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| 17:21.06 | wurp2 | of course, I dunno anything about any disk caching on the neo |
| 17:21.16 | wurp2 | anyone know if neo does disk caching? |
| 17:21.53 | zilux | bedboi: a remarquable news (at least for me) : |
| 17:22.05 | zilux | a preliminary test shows that |
| 17:22.14 | zilux | emacspeak can work on gta01 :-) |
| 17:22.18 | Sup3rkiddo | not to be a beep, but i thought flash memories have limited number of write cycles |
| 17:22.25 | zilux | http://emacspeak.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:23.16 | zilux | so it could be possible to have a neo + keyboard + earphone in a meeting |
| 17:23.25 | Sup3rkiddo | kewl |
| 17:23.28 | zilux | and read texts using emacs |
| 17:24.13 | zilux | neo in the pocket, no screen needed :-) |
| 17:24.45 | torpor | hiya folks. |
| 17:24.48 | torpor | whats up with you guys? |
| 17:24.50 | mjr | zilux, that's a nifty idea. Just type in on a mini bt keypad |
| 17:24.53 | Sup3rkiddo | torpor, hiya |
| 17:25.09 | mjr | aand yeah flash has limited write (well, actually erase) cycles |
| 17:25.16 | torpor | Sup3rkiddo: whats news man? |
| 17:25.31 | mjr | shouldn't be much of an issue in practice |
| 17:25.32 | zilux | mjr: I would try to go to usb |
| 17:25.38 | Sup3rkiddo | torpor, :P, i got dumped |
| 17:25.46 | torpor | d'oh! |
| 17:25.49 | torpor | not fun |
| 17:25.51 | torpor | was she hot? |
| 17:25.56 | Sup3rkiddo | torpor, na |
| 17:26.00 | mjr | torpor, it'd be a bit clunky though |
| 17:26.07 | Sup3rkiddo | notice the ":p" ? |
| 17:26.25 | torpor | mjr: ? |
| 17:26.44 | torpor | bt keyboard + neo == awesome. |
| 17:27.04 | mjr | oops |
| 17:27.05 | Sup3rkiddo | anyone here feel a bricked neo in the making?...i am thinking of flashing the uboot and torpor just appeared :/ |
| 17:27.10 | mjr | zilux, it'd be a bit clunky though |
| 17:27.22 | mjr | torpor, zilux was talking usb there, confused you |
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| 17:27.59 | wurp2 | torpor: are you using a bt kbd with your neo? |
| 17:28.11 | torpor | yes |
| 17:28.13 | wurp2 | and if so, can you make a recommendation about the model? |
| 17:28.15 | torpor | apple bt |
| 17:28.18 | zilux | mjr: clunky? |
| 17:28.25 | torpor | rocks ass |
| 17:28.39 | mjr | (hey, how's the gprs multiplexing coming on? :) |
| 17:28.50 | mjr | zilux, wired. Inconvenient. |
| 17:29.02 | zilux | mjr: ah, ok. |
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| 17:29.44 | zilux | mjr: I would prefer to be exposed too long to bt wave. |
| 17:30.00 | zilux | (not be exposed) |
| 17:30.12 | mjr | well, suit yourself then |
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| 17:33.43 | mjr | torpor, did you have a bt keypad app(let) or do I recall someone else? |
| 17:35.47 | mickeyl | say |
| 17:35.56 | mickeyl | we have two ways of identifying an SMS |
| 17:36.03 | mickeyl | way one |
| 17:36.13 | mickeyl | first we specifcy a storage space |
| 17:36.21 | mickeyl | and then we access every SMS by index |
| 17:36.30 | mickeyl | way two |
| 17:36.38 | mickeyl | storage spaces are implicitly encoded in the index |
| 17:36.43 | mickeyl | e.g. |
| 17:36.51 | mickeyl | 0 - 10000 is SIM |
| 17:36.54 | mickeyl | everything above is PHONE |
| 17:37.03 | mickeyl | which dbus interface would you prefer? |
| 17:37.18 | mickeyl | [note: question to application developers only] |
| 17:37.52 | Sup3rkiddo | i dont see much difference between the two, its the index anyways? |
| 17:38.29 | Vegar | I suppose the first one would be more intuitive |
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| 17:38.55 | mickeyl | alternatively |
| 17:38.56 | mickeyl | way 3 |
| 17:39.03 | mickeyl | we always refer to the SMS by a tuple |
| 17:39.07 | Sup3rkiddo | i'd prefer 1, its simple... |
| 17:39.11 | mickeyl | ( storage space, index ) |
| 17:39.28 | mickeyl | yeah, i'm leaning towards way 1 |
| 17:40.06 | torpor | mjr: i made some tweaks to SettingsGUI to set up the bt keyboard connection .. but then something changed in openmoko and broke it and i haven't fixed it yet .. |
| 17:40.17 | mjr | righto |
| 17:41.54 | Sup3rkiddo | mickeyl, i am not really experienced in these things, but how do the other mobile phone achieve this...i guess they have separate storage for sim, and phone....and when you select the desired one, there you go... |
| 17:42.03 | mickeyl | righto |
| 17:42.13 | mickeyl | i'm always leaning towards existing interfaces |
| 17:42.20 | mickeyl | just questioning how i would like to have it as app programmer |
| 17:42.40 | mickeyl | we can always change laterone when we have more experience with the API |
| 17:42.53 | Sup3rkiddo | so, the only problem i would face being a programmer is, where do i allocate the space?... |
| 17:43.00 | Sup3rkiddo | oh well, never mind |
| 17:43.27 | mjr | (or maybe 3) |
| 17:43.46 | mickeyl | yeah. 1 or 3. lets go for 1 first |
| 17:43.48 | Sup3rkiddo | 3 looks similar to 1 |
| 17:43.56 | Vegar | would 1 mean first saying SMS, then the index? |
| 17:44.04 | mickeyl | well |
| 17:44.05 | wurp2 | I am unlikely to work with it, but I would also prefer 1 or 3 by far. Much easier to just say what you mean, rather than lookup or maybe misremember some magic index |
| 17:44.06 | mickeyl | assuming pseudo code |
| 17:44.16 | mickeyl | 1 would say |
| 17:44.19 | wurp2 | and I think 1 is better |
| 17:44.21 | Sup3rkiddo | mickeyl, libgsmd does 1? |
| 17:44.23 | mickeyl | service.SetDefaultStorageSpace("PHONE") |
| 17:44.25 | mickeyl | service.ListMessages() |
| 17:44.37 | mickeyl | service.RetrieveMessage( 0 ) |
| 17:44.39 | mickeyl | etc. |
| 17:44.41 | mickeyl | 3 would be |
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| 17:44.48 | mickeyl | service.RetrieveMessage( "PHONE", 0 ) |
| 17:45.03 | mickeyl | question is whether you want to always have to specify the default storage space |
| 17:45.08 | mickeyl | when most of the time you are only using one |
| 17:45.09 | wurp2 | If you're writing code to loop over them all, 1 sounds easier |
| 17:45.15 | mickeyl | *nod* |
| 17:45.43 | wurp2 | and otherwise, they sound pretty much equal |
| 17:46.17 | wurp2 | It would be nice if there was a method (it could be hardcoded for now) that returns the list of StorageSpaces |
| 17:46.27 | mickeyl | agreed |
| 17:46.28 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.28 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.28 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.29 | mickeyl | :) |
| 17:46.29 | wurp2 | likewise max index |
| 17:46.38 | wurp2 | :-) |
| 17:46.40 | mickeyl | no, you'll be getting a list of indexes |
| 17:46.44 | mickeyl | they _may_ be noncontiguous |
| 17:46.46 | wurp2 | ah |
| 17:46.53 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.53 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.53 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.59 | mickeyl | i see we're on the same page ;) |
| 17:48.12 | Sup3rkiddo | mickeyl, it would be wonderful if you document this somewhere..for others not here to take a peek...docs as in plain english docs =) |
| 17:48.25 | mickeyl | sure thing |
| 17:48.30 | mickeyl | i'm working on a draft as we speak |
| 17:48.31 | mickeyl | in XML |
| 17:48.38 | mickeyl | then I will do an RFC |
| 17:48.45 | Sup3rkiddo | kewl..sounds good |
| 17:50.50 | Sup3rkiddo | it may sound obvious but, is an idea of plotting the location on googlemaps based on the nmea output from gllin feasible? |
| 17:50.58 | SpeedEvil | hard |
| 17:51.05 | SpeedEvil | it's easy on google earth |
| 17:51.07 | Sup3rkiddo | after wifi? |
| 17:51.19 | SpeedEvil | Also easy on openstreetmap |
| 17:51.20 | Sup3rkiddo | s/after/wifi/ |
| 17:51.28 | Sup3rkiddo | doh! |
| 17:51.37 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/simple.awk |
| 17:52.00 | Sup3rkiddo | ah, awk |
| 17:52.07 | SpeedEvil | This is a trivial script to go from NMEA to tab seperated lat/lon and other things |
| 17:52.17 | SpeedEvil | Also - gpsbabel is of use |
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| 17:52.32 | SpeedEvil | I think it can output kml - for input into google earth |
| 17:52.48 | SpeedEvil | Yopu can't load kml into google-maps |
| 17:53.16 | Sup3rkiddo | SpeedEvil, googlemaps somehow has better coverage than openstreetmap in my part of the world...i would love to stick to openstreetmaps though |
| 17:53.33 | SpeedEvil | The above script and gnuplot is good for plotting errors |
| 17:53.42 | SpeedEvil | where are you? |
| 17:53.49 | Sup3rkiddo | SpeedEvil, Chennai |
| 17:53.49 | SpeedEvil | I'm sure I asked before and have forgotten. |
| 17:53.53 | mjr | Sup3rkiddo, so improve OSM ;) |
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| 17:54.05 | Sup3rkiddo | mjr, yes..i would love to |
| 17:54.48 | Sup3rkiddo | but is there a dummy's guide to do this on the neo.. |
| 17:55.11 | SpeedEvil | Sup3rkiddo: You can't do it on there. |
| 17:55.19 | SpeedEvil | Sup3rkiddo: at least yet. |
| 17:55.25 | zedstar | in my app i can blog the gps location from my neo directly to my drupal based site but i just create a link to google maps |
| 17:55.31 | SpeedEvil | Sup3rkiddo: I use it for logging NMEA using cat+gzip |
| 17:55.43 | Sup3rkiddo | SpeedEvil, yes...but i dont have a gps device other than the neo |
| 17:56.14 | SpeedEvil | Sup3rkiddo: then I copy that to my main system, on which I ungzip the file, and then run gpsbabel over it. |
| 17:56.20 | SpeedEvil | to convert to gpx |
| 17:56.21 | Sup3rkiddo | ah... |
| 17:56.30 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: Why hard to put gps location on google maps? |
| 17:56.33 | SpeedEvil | Then I load that into JOSM |
| 17:56.45 | wurp2 | Can't you find out the upper left & lower right lat,lon for a google map? |
| 17:57.04 | Sup3rkiddo | SpeedEvil, ah thanks, please please create a wiki on this |
| 17:57.07 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: there is no 'upload this series of points' in google. |
| 17:57.24 | wurp2 | Ah, I thought he meant the other way around... |
| 17:57.37 | wurp2 | Download google maps for his area, associating lat/long with the corners |
| 17:57.46 | SpeedEvil | If you just want one, you can of course search for @x,y |
| 17:57.51 | wurp2 | then display map with a dot superimposed for his loc |
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| 17:58.02 | Sup3rkiddo | yeah, thats what i had in mind |
| 17:58.06 | wurp2 | I haven't looked at the google maps api at all |
| 17:58.32 | wurp2 | but it seemed based on what I've seen people doing with it that you must at least be able to request a map for a lat/lon |
| 17:58.55 | SpeedEvil | Sup3rkiddo: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Beginners%27_Guide |
| 17:59.15 | zedstar | if u have gprs and gps working u can feeling brave u can try out my app to blog your location etc |
| 17:59.20 | SpeedEvil | upload data -> how to convert tracks |
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| 18:00.26 | Sup3rkiddo | SpeedEvil, thanks for the link =) |
| 18:00.34 | SpeedEvil | No problem :) |
| 18:01.10 | zedstar | anyone actually got gprs + gps running on there neo other than speedevil out of interest? |
| 18:01.23 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: I would think you could do that with some javascript to get google maps, then cairo to overlay images |
| 18:01.33 | SpeedEvil | zedstar: it was a trivial test. |
| 18:01.43 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, jep |
| 18:01.43 | SpeedEvil | zedstar: just grep|ssh |
| 18:01.51 | wurp2 | zedstar: I think many people have gps |
| 18:01.58 | Sup3rkiddo | me gonna go out and test it out tomorrow |
| 18:02.00 | wurp2 | zedstar: Not so sure about gprs |
| 18:02.42 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: Or it might make more sense to download google maps & put them in a format navit can understand... |
| 18:02.58 | zedstar | yeh lots have gps ive seen |
| 18:03.08 | SpeedEvil | Sup3rkiddo: yes - chennai does seem - somewhat under-mapped. Maybe 12 roads? :) |
| 18:03.14 | zedstar | but not so many out with their neos with gprs configured it seems |
| 18:03.29 | Sup3rkiddo | SpeedEvil, yes, and this is a metropolitan city |
| 18:03.33 | SpeedEvil | zedstar: it's totally seperate. |
| 18:03.42 | SpeedEvil | zedstar: I'm not doing anything clever. |
| 18:03.51 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: Or if you wanted to help everone in Chennai out, you could manually create content from the google maps ;-) |
| 18:03.59 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: no |
| 18:04.01 | zedstar | speedevil: yeh i know i just wondered cos would like some testers of my app but needs both |
| 18:04.09 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: that's not allowed by the terms and conditions of google |
| 18:04.14 | wurp2 | Or I think there was even a way to pull content from yahoo, so you only have to type in street names |
| 18:04.14 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: yahoo does |
| 18:04.16 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, i'd rather help OSM =).... |
| 18:04.47 | Sup3rkiddo | neo would rock we write cool apps abusing its gps receiver |
| 18:04.52 | wurp2 | zedstar: I plan to give gprs a try in the next week or two |
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| 18:05.28 | zedstar | wurp2 ok let me know if u get it working and wanna do a test with an app |
| 18:05.42 | Sup3rkiddo | so i basically need to conver the /tmp/nmeaP to a standard format |
| 18:05.53 | Sup3rkiddo | convert it to gpx using gpsbabel |
| 18:06.07 | Sup3rkiddo | and play with JOSM? |
| 18:06.11 | SpeedEvil | yes - gpsbabel goes NMEA to gpx |
| 18:06.22 | SpeedEvil | JOSM or upload the gpx file to the server, then use potlatch |
| 18:06.26 | SpeedEvil | which is a flash editor |
| 18:07.09 | Sup3rkiddo | SpeedEvil, gentoo has JOSM =), I can use the nmeaP directly right or, what do you do? |
| 18:07.49 | SpeedEvil | Sup3rkiddo: NMEA has to be converted to GPX |
| 18:08.08 | SpeedEvil | Sup3rkiddo: it's probably a too-old version - ones over a couple of months won't work |
| 18:08.36 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/JOSM |
| 18:08.51 | SpeedEvil | you just downlaod the jar and run it - assuming you've got java installed |
| 18:08.53 | Sup3rkiddo | SpeedEvil, yes, through gpsbabel...i meant the /tmp/nmeaP, you were talking about car+gzip |
| 18:09.00 | SpeedEvil | cat + gzip |
| 18:09.21 | SpeedEvil | I just mean cat /tmp/nmeaP|gzip -9 >`date +%s`.gps |
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| 18:09.29 | SpeedEvil | So it takes up less space |
| 18:09.33 | Sup3rkiddo | ah.. |
| 18:09.39 | Sup3rkiddo | dang..so obvious |
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| 18:20.08 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: I just use gpsd + pygps to get coordinates |
| 18:20.44 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: Although I've had a recommendation to use gypsy rather than pygps. I have no experience with gypsy, though. |
| 18:21.11 | SpeedEvil | Sup3rkiddo: not fair - you have better yahoo maps - from which you can derive legally - than I do. (in the UK) |
| 18:21.13 | wurp2 | I mean of course that I use gllin, then gpsd pointed to /tmp/NMEANP, then pygps to get location data |
| 18:21.29 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, yeah, i am aware of that but i was thinking if i could use those co-ordinates, afterall location is just (lat, long) |
| 18:21.40 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, yup |
| 18:22.20 | Sup3rkiddo | SpeedEvil, hmm, googlemaps is much better..it shows the damn street i live in and i am in the suburban prt of chennai |
| 18:22.24 | wurp2 | sure. I thought gpsd was just doing the job of that awk script, with an api on top |
| 18:23.22 | wurp2 | at the time I though there was an issue with having multiple apps catting NMEA |
| 18:23.33 | wurp2 | I'm still a little fuzzy on it |
| 18:23.37 | Sup3rkiddo | hmm.. |
| 18:23.46 | wurp2 | b/c I think I've seen an app miss data that another app was getting from my NMEA |
| 18:23.57 | wurp2 | which is one reason I switched to gpsd |
| 18:24.09 | Sup3rkiddo | oooh.. |
| 18:24.34 | wurp2 | so I could just have one direct reader of NMEA, and then use it as an api |
| 18:24.40 | Sup3rkiddo | yeah |
| 18:25.09 | wurp2 | but that is again an anecdotal experience, I was messing with lots of stuff at the same time and I may have just misinterpreted what I saw |
| 18:25.18 | wurp2 | I'm new too |
| 18:25.47 | wurp2 | I really have no idea how the /tmp/NMEA 'fake file' works |
| 18:26.32 | wurp2 | I should have said "at the time I *thought*" |
| 18:27.02 | Sup3rkiddo | :P, my neurons correcltly interpreted that, so no worries |
| 18:27.19 | wurp2 | Does anyone know details on how /tmp/NMEANP works? I thought there was a requirement that something read it pretty quick after gllin starts writing to it |
| 18:27.42 | wurp2 | and as I said, I had an experience that led me to believe multiple apps reading it might cause an issue |
| 18:28.14 | wurp2 | but in retrospect, what happened may have just been that the second app just saw the file as starting off empty, although the other app showed data it had read |
| 18:28.25 | Mek | I think it is just a plain old named pipe? |
| 18:28.36 | SpeedEvil | It si. |
| 18:28.39 | SpeedEvil | It is. |
| 18:28.39 | wurp2 | which seems reasonable, given that it's a fake file that only shows content |
| 18:28.43 | wurp2 | ah, that makes sense |
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| 18:29.10 | wurp2 | So now I just need to learn about how named pipes work :-) I always use a queue, or shared memory, or the like for such things. |
| 18:30.23 | bedboi | shared memory is fast btw i prefer named pipes |
| 18:30.41 | bedboi | wurp2: actually you can use GIOChannels |
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| 18:41.10 | wurp2 | bedboi: Thanks, I'll check out GIOChannels |
| 18:42.28 | wurp2 | thseiler: From the screenshot, it looks as if it gives a hover view of the key you currently are pressing, and types it when you 'key up'? |
| 18:46.41 | kdean06 | I'm quite thrilled, I got me Neo this morning. :) |
| 18:47.46 | CM | the |
| 18:47.50 | CM | pff.. |
| 18:47.59 | Sup3rkiddo | hmm..cat /tmp/nmeaNP|gzip > blah.gps |
| 18:48.01 | Sup3rkiddo | is empty |
| 18:48.10 | Sup3rkiddo | thats the correct pipe, right? |
| 18:48.23 | Sup3rkiddo | although cat /tmp/nmeaNP works |
| 18:48.55 | CM | Are the writes buffered before written to disk? |
| 18:49.10 | Sup3rkiddo | ? |
| 18:49.14 | CM | I guess it's zipping in blocks, but I dont know.. |
| 18:49.24 | Sup3rkiddo | SpeedEvil, ^^ ? |
| 18:50.26 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: How much content are you getting from cat /tmp/nmeaNP? |
| 18:50.38 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, loads... |
| 18:50.49 | wurp2 | CM is asking if gzip is buffering the bytes, which seems likely (actually, required for zip) |
| 18:51.06 | wurp2 | but if you're getting lots of output, then that still wouldn't explain it :-( |
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| 18:51.32 | wurp2 | wait |
| 18:51.38 | wurp2 | I don't think gzip > blah.gps works |
| 18:51.39 | Sup3rkiddo | i cant afford to cat /tmp/nmeaNP > blah.gps , would fill up fast |
| 18:51.46 | Sup3rkiddo | gzip -9? |
| 18:51.49 | mjr | you want to kill the cat when you stop |
| 18:51.50 | wurp2 | I think you want gzip -o or something |
| 18:52.34 | wurp2 | If you're running the gllin shell, that already cats nmeaNP to ~/gps.gz or some such |
| 18:52.42 | wurp2 | (cats it through gzip) |
| 18:53.18 | wurp2 | gzip -c writes to std out |
| 18:53.41 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, yeah but gps.gz is empty as well |
| 18:53.58 | wurp2 | That doesn't make any sense at all... |
| 18:54.09 | wurp2 | Wait |
| 18:54.28 | wurp2 | I think you may need to take down gllin, kill all the 'cat's, and start up again |
| 18:54.41 | wurp2 | if the cat started before the mknod, I think you'll get no output |
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| 18:55.13 | wurp2 | the gllin shell script deletes nmeaNP and recreates the pipe when you run it |
| 18:55.19 | Sup3rkiddo | done, yeah... |
| 18:55.38 | wurp2 | (unfortunately, it doesn't unmount all the file systems, and the neo for some reason lets you mount them multiple times) |
| 18:55.59 | Sup3rkiddo | hmm, gps.gz seems to be written after gllin is killed |
| 18:56.08 | wurp2 | I created a little umount.sh script that un-does everything I could find that gllin does, and I put that at the start of my gllin script |
| 18:56.40 | wurp2 | otherwise I had to keep umounting the gllin chroot directories once for every time I started up gllin to get them all shut down |
| 18:56.42 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, wait..i think i found it..data is written after gllin is killed |
| 18:57.00 | wurp2 | that sounds like a caching issue |
| 18:57.08 | wurp2 | I think CM had it right with the -9 comment |
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| 19:09.53 | wurp2 | based on reading up on named pipes, I'll bet that my problem with multiple processes reading nmeaNP was just that new readers didn't get the existing data |
| 19:10.27 | wurp2 | which is expected behavior, if I had known enough to have reasonable expectations :-) |
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| 19:18.43 | CVirus | the mailing lists are getting jammed with weird people |
| 19:18.44 | duffyd | is http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/2007/ down? |
| 19:18.57 | duffyd | I'm getting errors when trying to update :( |
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| 19:21.21 | wurp2 | we're all on a mailing list talking about a phone that we paid $300 for when we knew it didn't really work |
| 19:21.38 | wurp2 | so I think we're all weird people, with the possible exception of the guys getting paid to fix it :-) |
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| 19:25.22 | duffyd | wurp2: lol |
| 19:25.46 | CVirus | LOL |
| 19:27.10 | summatusmentis | duffyd: yeah, it's down, so it linuxtogo |
| 19:27.50 | duffyd | summatusmentis: thanks |
| 19:28.00 | summatusmentis | sure thing |
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| 19:32.03 | kdean06 | I'm looking through the wiki for "Flashing the Neo" and much of the info there is out of date. I see that there are additional images after 2007.1... What kernel/rootfs would you guys recommend for a first flash? |
| 19:33.10 | balrog-kun | today's snapshot |
| 19:38.30 | kdean06 | balrog-kun, Are the snapshots already built, or need i compile them myself? If the first, where can I obtain them? I don't see "official" snapshots listed, and there are several unofficial. |
| 19:39.01 | balrog-kun | kdean06: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/ are official afaik |
| 19:39.16 | balrog-kun | i have not tried today's snapshot, but that's my standard answer :) |
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| 19:40.39 | summatusmentis | is there a reason there's not upgrade path? |
| 19:40.56 | summatusmentis | I don't own a neo, use cdma, but on the Z we can ipkg update; ipkg upgrade |
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| 19:45.58 | apaulsen | does anyone here know anything about the temperature measurement circuit in the battery? |
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| 19:47.23 | apaulsen | I noticed it doesn't work correctly. The kernel says there's a 10k resistor in the battery in parallel with the thermistor, but I measured 4 batteries and they are all around 10.6k, which would be impossible |
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| 20:05.30 | wurp2 | summatusmentis: I'm not sure what you mean about there not being an upgrade path... |
| 20:05.50 | summatusmentis | wurp2: what would be the point of reflashing? |
| 20:06.00 | summatusmentis | can't you just upgrade? |
| 20:06.02 | wurp2 | I'm pretty sure on the neo, if you have internet & DNS going, ipkg update; ipkg upgrade works |
| 20:06.09 | wurp2 | When you get the device |
| 20:06.15 | wurp2 | it has no rootfs or kernel on it |
| 20:06.28 | wurp2 | So you're not re-flashing; you're just flashing |
| 20:06.35 | summatusmentis | oh, that's bothersome |
| 20:07.01 | wurp2 | And, I think there is an issue with kernel upgrades via ipkg upgrade |
| 20:07.23 | wurp2 | Yeah, I'm not sure why they don't flash 'em before they send 'em |
| 20:07.31 | summatusmentis | oh, that'd make sense, you can't upgrade the kernel on a Z either without flashing |
| 20:07.44 | wurp2 | One good thing is that it lets a non-dev type person know right away that they want to send the device back ;-) |
| 20:08.07 | wurp2 | It sounded to me as if it is a bug they planned to fix (the kernel upgrade problem) |
| 20:08.57 | summatusmentis | it'd be nice if there was a way to store kernel on rootfs |
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| 20:11.41 | balrog-kun | if the kernel image is not fragmente, u-boot should have no problem booting a kernel image that's on the rootfs i think |
| 20:12.41 | balrog-kun | i have no idea how to assure that on jffs2 though |
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| 21:21.32 | hexmode | how do I report bugs? Found one in the helloworld package... |
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| 21:25.32 | wurp2 | hexmode: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/index.cgi |
| 21:25.52 | hexmode | tyvm |
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| 21:28.13 | wurp2 | hexmode: yvw |
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| 21:37.17 | kdean06 | I am as close to geek euphoria as possible. I love my Neo. :) |
| 21:37.42 | wurp2 | Yeah, very fun |
| 21:37.51 | wurp2 | Now if mine will just get back to me |
| 21:37.58 | wurp2 | kdean06: What have you been doing with it? |
| 21:38.34 | kdean06 | I haven't done much of anything except show it off. :P |
| 21:38.53 | kdean06 | I just got it this morning, flashed it and charged it. :) |
| 21:39.59 | wurp2 | heh |
| 21:40.08 | wurp2 | Can you make calls? |
| 21:40.19 | wurp2 | I didn't get much reaction from showing mine off |
| 21:40.41 | wurp2 | I mean, I'm not even showing it off to non-devs, I wouldn't expect them to 'get it' |
| 21:40.53 | starox_ | I order one, but I'm unlucky, my credit card was refused 2 times :'( |
| 21:40.58 | wurp2 | but the devs are looking at iphones, which already do the stuff I'm interested in getting my neo to do |
| 21:41.01 | wurp2 | barring gps |
| 21:41.29 | wurp2 | and, of course, barring all the cool dev stuff, porting my dvd movies to it, porting the games I like to it, etc. |
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| 21:41.48 | wurp2 | building cool apps that integrate gps & gprs & sms |
| 21:42.12 | kdean06 | wurp2, I'm "lucky" (I quote it because it's also by design) that my company is based on Free Software and writes it - a liberated phone is an interesting spectacle here. :) |
| 21:42.17 | wurp2 | but I have yet to find anyone (in person) but me who really cares about that part |
| 21:42.24 | wurp2 | ah, I'm sure! |
| 21:42.31 | kdean06 | I've got my SIM in but it's stuck on "registering"... |
| 21:42.34 | wurp2 | what is your company, may I ask? |
| 21:42.42 | wurp2 | Is your SIM supported? |
| 21:43.24 | kdean06 | I hope so. :) It's a T-Mobile plan and I've seen good things. I'm not particularly sure of what model/make/whatever my SIM is. |
| 21:44.52 | wurp2 | There was a number printed on mine |
| 21:45.05 | wurp2 | that was very similar to the numbers on the wiki under Carriers/ATT |
| 21:45.22 | wurp2 | (my carrier is ATT) |
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| 21:46.25 | hexmode | so, tried to register for a wiki account and bugzilla, but no email from openmoko... |
| 21:46.47 | hexmode | anyone have a clue what IP the emails are coming from so I can see if my mail server is blocking them? |
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| 21:48.36 | wurp2 | my email was from webmaster@openmoko.org |
| 21:49.06 | starox_ | hexmode : Received: from www-data by sita.openmoko.org with local (Exim 4.50) |
| 21:50.42 | starox_ | hexmode: it's for the bugzilla |
| 21:51.02 | hexmode | starox_, wurp2: thanks... nothing from sita.openmoko.org (88.198.124.203) in my logs... nothing matching openmoko at all. :( |
| 21:51.39 | hexmode | lemme try a gmail addy... |
| 21:52.44 | starox_ | hexmode: reading my headers, it tooks 4 hour |
| 21:52.51 | hexmode | ! |
| 21:53.04 | hexmode | maybe that's it. but gmail was quick.. |
| 21:53.29 | starox_ | hexmode: oops ! It's late, not 4 hour, but 23minutes |
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| 21:55.00 | cesarb | starox_: being that late usually means graylisting (or is it greylisting? I never know how to spell that) |
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| 21:55.58 | starox_ | cesarb: You got it, I totally forgot that I use greylisting |
| 21:56.58 | duffyd | I hope http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/feeds/ comes up again soon |
| 21:57.51 | cesarb | starox_: as someone who administer one of these mail servers which only ever send login confirmations from a web server, I know how annoying graylisting can be (it's almost the only reason emails end up in the queue) |
| 22:01.07 | starox_ | cesarb: as a user, I'm used to it. I don't regret it as I have almost no spam. |
| 22:02.49 | kdean06 | :9 |
| 22:02.52 | kdean06 | Gmail sucks. |
| 22:03.01 | kdean06 | I want to me able to see my e-mail headers. :( |
| 22:03.02 | hexmode | still, as a user, it'd be nice if I could talk to someone who manages the machines about the email. I prefer my own email to gmail. |
| 22:03.52 | hexmode | kdean06: gmail lets you see headers. "show original" |
| 22:03.59 | cesarb | kdean06: you can easily see the headers on gmail, just do a "show original" |
| 22:04.11 | cesarb | hexmode: typed faster than me ;-) |
| 22:05.32 | kdean06 | Ummm... "Show Original" doesn't appear anywhere at all in the source - is that in settings? |
| 22:05.54 | wurp2 | It's in the arrow drop-down |
| 22:06.04 | wurp2 | They hid a bunch of stuff in there with the last release |
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| 22:07.30 | kdean06 | WOW! |
| 22:07.34 | kdean06 | Thanks... |
| 22:07.41 | kdean06 | I've been reporting phishing as spam. :P |
| 22:10.48 | kdean06 | Weird... |
| 22:10.51 | cesarb | kdean06: if you use the "report phishing" function, it ends up in spam, so it's not that wrong |
| 22:11.12 | cesarb | kdean06: after all, phishing is almost always spam |
| 22:11.22 | kdean06 | Does the Neo default to "Autoregister with GSM network"? |
| 22:12.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1180 has been created by hexmode(AT)gmail.com |
| 22:12.02 | cdbot2 | * * helloworld doesn't build out-of-the-box on ubuntu |
| 22:12.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1180 |
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| 22:37.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1181 has been created by andrew.paulsen(AT)packetdigital.com |
| 22:37.01 | cdbot2 | * * Battery temperature is incorrect (fix) |
| 22:37.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1181 |
| 22:38.11 | apaulsen | who wants to test my kernel patch? ^^ |
| 22:40.17 | Sonicadvance1 | I would, if I had one! D: |
| 22:41.35 | apaulsen | It might be worth buying a Neo now that it can measure it's own battery temperature. It's an irresistable feature. |
| 22:42.31 | kdean06 | lol |
| 22:42.34 | wurp2 | :-) |
| 22:42.56 | kdean06 | apaulsen, But the guitar pick is sexier, sorry. |
| 22:43.10 | apaulsen | they're not mutually exclusive features |
| 22:44.03 | kdean06 | There's a noticable change once one ventures into #openmoko. You begin considering "guitar pick" to be a "feature" and you stop "turning on" your phone and begin "booting" it. |
| 22:46.03 | Sonicadvance1 | lol |
| 22:46.21 | Sonicadvance1 | boot to the head >.> |
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| 23:03.52 | CIA-1 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r35 10/trunk/standards/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.xml: otapi: change indexing concept in org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS |
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| 23:23.41 | CIA-1 | openmoko: 03andrew * r3832 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ (37 files in 6 dirs): Pull changes from upstream. |
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| 23:44.10 | thseiler | wurp2: hi, yes, the patches modify the keyboard such that it shows a hover window to help you aim, and then send the key when you release the touchscreen. |
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| 23:51.56 | balrog-kun | thseiler: really cool feature |
| 23:54.08 | balrog-kun | thseiler: btw. do you have a newer version of the CDC ethernet emulator patch for qemu? |
| 23:54.21 | balrog-kun | newer than the one posted on qemu-devel once |
| 23:54.51 | thseiler | balrog-kun: no sorry, can't help you there. |
| 23:55.03 | balrog-kun | okays |
| 23:56.10 | balrog-kun | the qemu-neo1973 tree has the patch in, but nobody managed to fix it enough to get really reliable networking so far |
