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| 00:28.04 | nadio | what will the GTA02 cost? anyone got a clue? 100 usd 200 usd 300 usd ? |
| 00:28.33 | LarstiQ | more to the end of that |
| 00:28.47 | CoreDump | the prices are on the wiki somewhere AFAIK |
| 00:30.54 | nadio | but not over 300-400 usd ? |
| 00:31.15 | thomasg | afaik it's still 450$ |
| 00:31.36 | Dunedan | "Direct from openmoko.com, the price will be $450 for the Neo Base and $600 for Neo Advanced." |
| 00:31.45 | Dunedan | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02 |
| 00:33.50 | SpeedEvil | that's ot changed since july |
| 00:33.56 | SpeedEvil | I'd not be surprised if it changes |
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| 00:37.46 | nadio | No 3G support I gues? |
| 00:37.52 | daMaestro | nope |
| 00:41.09 | nadio | how about sound output? |
| 00:41.31 | thseiler | 2.5 mm stereo jack and a mono speaker, as far as i know |
| 00:41.40 | nadio | headphones? |
| 00:41.54 | daMaestro | well.. the gta01 was stereo... but 02 will be mono |
| 00:42.17 | daMaestro | (the headphones will still be stereo) |
| 00:42.29 | nadio | yeah but 2.5 :( |
| 00:42.37 | nadio | was thinking of using as an mp3 player as well |
| 00:43.13 | thseiler | nadio: there are 2,5mm to 3,5mm converter cables cheap on ebay, it would be nice if they included one in the GTA02 package aswell... |
| 00:43.43 | nadio | how about memory card slots? |
| 00:45.27 | daMaestro | single microsd slot |
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| 00:50.38 | nadio | how about usb expansion slots? |
| 00:50.48 | nadio | say connect a CF card, to usb ? |
| 00:51.07 | CoreDump | It can do USB host |
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| 00:55.11 | thseiler | Hm, does anybody know which GPS chip is used in the FreeRunner, aka GTA02 ? |
| 00:55.24 | thseiler | I've just came across the ublox 5 (http://www.u-blox.com/products/u5products.html) |
| 00:55.41 | SpeedEvil | it's serial NMEA |
| 00:56.14 | thseiler | great, so no more proprietary daemons to fight with :-) |
| 00:56.20 | SpeedEvil | :< |
| 00:57.09 | thseiler | but the 1 sec time to fix of ublox 5 seems interesting |
| 00:57.18 | SpeedEvil | If it's real. |
| 00:58.08 | thseiler | dont' know. anyway, they are selling samles now, and if gta02 uses indeed a ublox chip, they should check that their design is upwards compatible to ublox 5 so that a switch is easy later on... |
| 00:58.31 | thseiler | ideally *before* they spin the next pcb version... |
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| 01:02.32 | SpeedEvil | They don't care. |
| 01:02.43 | thseiler | seems so :-( |
| 01:02.50 | SpeedEvil | GTA02 is not going to a 03 version reportedly. |
| 01:02.55 | SpeedEvil | so that doesn't matter. |
| 01:03.14 | thseiler | huh ? |
| 01:04.15 | thseiler | so the start over with UMTS and a better case ? or they stop |
| 01:04.26 | SpeedEvil | New case, ... |
| 01:04.39 | thseiler | i was worried :-) |
| 01:04.59 | thseiler | but that is good news, i think |
| 01:05.25 | SpeedEvil | In some ways, the 'best' situation for them is that FIC falls into the background, and more and more phones start running openmoko. |
| 01:05.36 | SpeedEvil | (them being the company openmoko) |
| 01:06.04 | SpeedEvil | then they will have achieved their objective - which is to let FIC compete on a more-or-less even basis with nokia/..., as a phone maker. |
| 01:06.40 | SpeedEvil | Transitioning mobiles from the locked-in special purpose computer, to the PC model. |
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| 01:08.04 | thseiler | choice is always good . hope they add a model with camera, not for me, but to stop these endless discussions on -community |
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| 01:29.54 | mmontour | http://www.genie-sys.com/products.html <-- might address some of the "no camera" complaints |
| 01:30.04 | SpeedEvil | bluetooth cam? |
| 01:30.36 | mmontour | Yes, featured on gizmodo.com today |
| 01:30.44 | SpeedEvil | sigh |
| 01:30.45 | SpeedEvil | damn |
| 01:30.56 | SpeedEvil | I'd hoped to get one of those to market. Oh well. |
| 01:30.58 | mmontour | Another CES "coming soon" demo |
| 01:31.20 | mmontour | You may still have time if you move quickly :) |
| 01:32.23 | SpeedEvil | naah - I'm stuck on another project. |
| 01:34.16 | SpeedEvil | Which is in concept similar - but more distance (uav) |
| 01:36.48 | mmontour | That sounds like a fun project. |
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| 01:40.16 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/test.png - thrust vectored UAV. |
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| 01:59.22 | mmontour | SpeedEvil: have you seen this one? http://aroundthenet.ca/2007/12/21/gfs-the-real-world-flying-saucer/ |
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| 02:34.17 | cesarb | Looks like the bozo who was using ARP tricks to pretend to be the ISP's gateway has gone away |
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| 07:12.29 | nadio | can gprs, the amount of traffic skype generates? |
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| 07:13.46 | daMaestro | maybe, but nost carriers have in the TOS you wont use voip over wireless ip |
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| 07:21.44 | mjr | you don't want to do voip over gprs (and skype is evil) |
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| 07:30.49 | nadio | mjr: well any IM-service voice-ip, and why is that=? |
| 07:30.59 | nadio | mjr: I am wondering if it can technicaly handel the data load... |
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| 07:38.48 | Linux_Galore | looks like iRiver have a Linux telephone too http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/09/iriver-3-inch-touchscreen-gsm-phone-headed-for-the-states/ |
| 07:39.01 | Linux_Galore | looks a bit like the iSuck |
| 07:40.29 | balrog-kun | oh, and lemme guess, they're starting a *first* free linux mobile stack project in cooperation with the opensource community and the market players |
| 07:41.07 | mjr | nadio, the latency sucks and quality of service isn't; the bandwidth itself isn't that much of a problem |
| 07:42.09 | nadio | mjr: but there is a lot of users of 3g+skype? |
| 07:43.06 | Linux_Galore | well in two days Ive seen three new Linux phones all will be released with 3G by the 3rd 1/4 2008 |
| 07:43.33 | nadio | Linux_Galore: what ones, palm or? |
| 07:43.41 | mjr | nadio, note how you didn't say gprs+skype |
| 07:43.50 | Linux_Galore | nadio: not palm, Ive posted the urls in here already |
| 07:45.47 | nadio | Linux_Galore: you think you could look up them again, and repost? |
| 07:47.20 | Linux_Galore | nadio: heres the nicest one I have seen http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/07/hands-on-with-wistron-newebs-gw4-linux-phone/ |
| 07:48.22 | Linux_Galore | Moto have a new Ming http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/18/motorolas-linux-based-ming-2-in-q2 |
| 07:49.31 | Hirvinen | Ooh, a Linux phone with 3G and qwerty... |
| 07:49.37 | Linux_Galore | thats not the phone Im looking for |
| 07:50.05 | Linux_Galore | Hirvinen: yeah wont have 3G on the initial release though have to wait till later in the year for that |
| 07:50.34 | Linux_Galore | ie the third phone wasnt the Ming |
| 07:50.40 | Linux_Galore | thats old new |
| 07:50.41 | Linux_Galore | s |
| 07:51.18 | Linux_Galore | or should I say Ming 2 A1600 |
| 07:52.09 | Linux_Galore | meh!, lots the ling for another no name brand who are releasing a Linux phone |
| 07:52.12 | Linux_Galore | lost* |
| 07:52.43 | Linux_Galore | meh!, lost the link for another no name brand who are releasing a Linux phone this year* |
| 07:53.14 | Linux_Galore | its raining Linux devices at CES this year |
| 07:53.45 | Linux_Galore | HP have a pile of new handy dandy home media storage and distribution devices that run Linux |
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| 07:54.38 | nadio | couldnt the gsm chip on openmoko be changed to a 3g chip? |
| 07:55.12 | mjr | no |
| 07:55.48 | mjr | Linux_Galore, wonder if any of those are open... |
| 07:56.27 | Linux_Galore | mjr: well the GW4 is an Android phone |
| 07:56.39 | mjr | Linux_Galore, yes, I wonder if any of those are open... |
| 07:57.17 | Linux_Galore | mjr: have to be open to some degree Google have an open license on the stack |
| 07:57.27 | mjr | Linux_Galore, no they don't, |
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| 07:57.57 | mjr | the Android site pretty much actively advertises that since the use the Apache license actual products can be as closed as hell as they like |
| 07:59.17 | mjr | (site being of course the openhandsetcabal) |
| 07:59.18 | balrog-kun | but they haven't even applied the Apache license yet |
| 07:59.25 | mjr | oh yeah, and there's that |
| 07:59.29 | Linux_Galore | mjr: the phone or the software ? |
| 07:59.37 | mjr | Linux_Galore, both |
| 07:59.50 | mjr | 'course, kernel excepted, but they can still tivoize it |
| 08:00.04 | Linux_Galore | mjr: not technically released yet |
| 08:00.55 | mjr | whatever, point is, "it's Android" doesn't say shit about if it's open or not |
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| 08:01.20 | Linux_Galore | mjr: well the wiki says it will be released under the Apache 2 license |
| 08:01.51 | mjr | Linux_Galore, how is this difficult for you? They can make a proprietary product based on apache 2 l code. |
| 08:02.10 | Linux_Galore | I did notice though that it dint mention if all or just part of the stack will be open source |
| 08:02.12 | mjr | and that's what the openhandsetcabal actively advertises as their advantage |
| 08:02.43 | mjr | yeah, there's also that matter about the completeness. Somewhere there was a note that "_most_" of the code was intended to be released under a2l |
| 08:02.51 | mjr | it was the current license text, I believe |
| 08:03.08 | Linux_Galore | mjr: also Android has patent hooks |
| 08:03.57 | Linux_Galore | although these days having patents on a project is more about protecting it from the likes of Microsoft and Apple |
| 08:04.20 | Linux_Galore | strange how Patents have gone from innovation to protection |
| 08:04.36 | mjr | not so much |
| 08:04.43 | mjr | in retrospect, was to be expected |
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| 08:05.36 | mjr | 'course, probably not very easily anticipatable |
| 08:05.40 | mjr | (I made up a word) |
| 08:06.23 | Linux_Galore | mjr: because anticipated means the same thing |
| 08:07.52 | Linux_Galore | interesting times ahead |
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| 08:14.45 | Linux_Galore | even Yahoo is getting into the mobile platform game now http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8038163364.html |
| 08:15.01 | Linux_Galore | Yahoo should be renamed "Me Too" |
| 08:16.02 | balrog-kun | heh |
| 08:17.33 | bluelightning | Linux_Galore: re patents, except they will just say "hi there, you're infringing on these 50 patents we have, so how about you just give us your one and call it a deal?" |
| 08:19.28 | bluelightning | the only way to get any real gain out of a patent is in fact to not do anything with it... hence the rise of companies whose only purpose is to own patents and make money from selling them or suing with them |
| 08:19.47 | zash | that sucks |
| 08:20.02 | Linux_Galore | ah yes ZTE is the other player releasing a 3G phone (actually a few) this year, in this case they are using QTopia as the UI |
| 08:21.45 | Linux_Galore | bluelightning: there is a company here in Sydney founded by a teacher who looks at new products and then thinks of how to improve them and then patents the idea, apparently they have an office in the city and they never do interviews or talk to the media but earn millions for licensing |
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| 08:22.12 | mbuf | balrog-kun, the USB code in qemu-neo1973 is to mimic a USB host? |
| 08:22.54 | bluelightning | Linux_Galore: that's borderline, at least they are doing some actual innovation... the real evil ones just buy their "IP" instead of inventing it |
| 08:23.29 | Linux_Galore | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6280428662.html |
| 08:23.55 | balrog-kun | mbuf: well, there are USB hosts and USB slaves in the code |
| 08:23.56 | balrog-kun | and more |
| 08:24.06 | Linux_Galore | bluelightning: yeah, heard about law firms buying questionable IP and then suing people, most pay up rather than pay the high legal fees |
| 08:24.36 | bluelightning | indeed, which is exactly what they are counting on |
| 08:25.34 | Linux_Galore | bluelightning: the laugh it its good business practice to do so, ie pay $100k for a license or $400k in legal fees |
| 08:25.35 | bluelightning | but a small firm in that position has little choice really |
| 08:25.45 | bluelightning | yeah exactly |
| 08:26.00 | hrw | morning |
| 08:26.02 | Linux_Galore | is its* |
| 08:26.39 | bluelightning | so of course the entire system really benefits large wealthy corporations instead of the "lone inventor" that many assume the patent system is there to protect |
| 08:26.53 | Linux_Galore | bluelightning: just look at the IBM/SCO thing, thats lasted years and still hasnt been finalised |
| 08:27.31 | bluelightning | yep... and they didn't even have a straight story let alone any evidence as to what had been "stolen" |
| 08:28.34 | balrog-kun | they knew something had been stolen but they weren't sure what :) |
| 08:29.17 | Linux_Galore | yes and Novell never gave the IP to SCO in the first place lol, and they (Novell) have yet to be paid the license fees that SCO owe them for selling their IP to third parties |
| 08:29.51 | balrog-kun | mbuf: btw. have you managed to get the qemu-neo1973 tree to compile over that audio.d error? |
| 08:30.32 | Linux_Galore | will the NEO be running pulse audio ? |
| 08:31.53 | bluelightning | some interesting (anti-)patent stuff here: http://www.tinaja.com/patnt01.asp |
| 08:34.17 | Linux_Galore | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS5721117680.html |
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| 08:40.37 | Linux_Galore | nice podcaste on patents and copyright in IT http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/current/audioonly/ssw_20071229.mp3 |
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| 08:43.08 | Linux_Galore | ABC science is a nice podcast in general, some very great science articles http://www.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/feeds/science.xml |
| 08:43.26 | Linux_Galore | s/great/nice/ |
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| 09:03.01 | Aeteroth | Hi. Do you know, when will phone with EDGE support and numerical keyboard availible? |
| 09:04.40 | Aeteroth | *be |
| 09:05.51 | mjr | if we don't know when gta02 will be available, how should be know about possible future models? |
| 09:09.23 | Aeteroth | But, I have read, that FreeRunner will be presented 7.1.2008, and now is 9.1.2008 |
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| 09:10.59 | Mononoke | err gta02 == FreeRunner, no ? |
| 09:11.01 | Aeteroth | And what is known about furter models? |
| 09:11.25 | mbuf | balrog-kun, i used the svn code and it builds fine; but, i hit bug1102 |
| 09:11.31 | CM | Aeteroth: Not much known yet |
| 09:12.43 | mbuf | balrog-kun, so the host OS sees qemu as a USB slave? |
| 09:12.55 | mbuf | *USB device |
| 09:13.56 | Aeteroth | May be, better try to find A780 or A1200e? |
| 09:15.53 | Aeteroth | or try to flash my nokia n73 (symbian 9 is terrible) |
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| 09:17.48 | zash | Aeteroth: 7.1.2008 would be the CES-show-thingy |
| 09:17.58 | zash | http://www.engadget.com/tag/openmoko/ |
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| 09:21.04 | mbuf | zash, i would like to see a different outer casing for gta02; when it is in the market |
| 09:22.09 | Aeteroth | And, is information, that OpenMoko is not ready for end-user yet actual? |
| 09:22.32 | mjr | Aeteroth, yes it was presented, it is not yet available for purchase however |
| 09:22.38 | mjr | Aeteroth, it is correct |
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| 09:24.48 | Aeteroth | Is working web browser, irc client, jabber clients availaible now? |
| 09:25.02 | Aeteroth | *fo OM |
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| 09:25.26 | Aeteroth | *for |
| 09:26.42 | zash | well, there is a working xterm-ish app afaik |
| 09:26.53 | CM | irssi works fine |
| 09:27.13 | CM | And the browser was so-so last time I tried, but that was 3 weeks ago |
| 09:27.20 | zash | so l{y,i}nks, irssi, centericq etc should work fine |
| 09:27.24 | mjr | terminal yes, web browser, yes (at least somewhat working, I haven't used it much), irc/IM, well, not particularly adapted for openmoko but you can certainly run some |
| 09:27.34 | Aeteroth | And linx? |
| 09:28.14 | Aeteroth | *y |
| 09:28.25 | CM | Aeteroth: Most normal linx apps work just fine |
| 09:28.32 | CM | :) |
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| 09:36.58 | Aeteroth | May be, Qtopia will be better solution for me: I usually don't need to answer incoming calls, i need only browser, irc, jabber and icq clients, with fast input method |
| 09:38.29 | balrog-kun | mbuf: yes, it can but that needs to be configured first |
| 09:38.45 | mbuf | balrog-kun, i see |
| 09:39.02 | balrog-kun | it needs the kernel driver to emulate a usb host |
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| 09:39.47 | mbuf | balrog-kun, when using the Neo as a device, which acts as host/device? and what is the status of the host OS? |
| 09:40.19 | mjr | mbuf, by default neo is gadget, switchable to host |
| 09:40.25 | mjr | if that's what you ask |
| 09:40.29 | Linux_Galore | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.39 | balrog-kun | right, the Neo (qemu) can be both |
| 09:41.04 | mjr | ('course there's also the internal always-host usb behind which is the bt interface |
| 09:41.25 | balrog-kun | Linux can emulate a USB host to which qemu can connect as a gadget/slave |
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| 09:41.52 | mbuf | balrog-kun, so the usb code in qemu when using the Neo provides the Neo to interact with the host OS as a gadget/slave? |
| 09:42.08 | balrog-kun | mbuf: yes |
| 09:42.35 | balrog-kun | among other things |
| 09:42.40 | mbuf | balrog-kun, so which code handles the USB interaction of the host OS with qemu? |
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| 09:43.03 | balrog-kun | mbuf: you mean which source file? |
| 09:43.08 | mbuf | balrog-kun, yes |
| 09:43.34 | balrog-kun | usb-linux-gadget.c, usb-gadget.c and a couple of files in hw/ |
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| 09:43.45 | balrog-kun | s/usb-gadgte/usb-linux/ |
| 09:45.18 | mbuf | balrog-kun, in the svn code, I don't find any usb-linux files; only usb-ohci.c, usb-uhci.c, usb-msd.c, usb-net.c, usb.c, usb.h, usb-hub.c, usb-hid.c |
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| 09:50.40 | mbuf | balrog-kun, other than the sources, is there any documentation on the overview/architecture design of qemu? |
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| 09:53.24 | balrog-kun | mbuf: you're looking in hw/ now, usb-linux*.c are in the main dir |
| 09:53.28 | balrog-kun | mbuf: not that i'm aware of |
| 09:53.37 | mbuf | balrog-kun, ok |
| 09:53.58 | balrog-kun | except qemu-tech.texi obviously |
| 09:54.22 | mbuf | balrog-kun, i'll go through the sources; if in doubt, will ask |
| 09:54.31 | balrog-kun | okies |
| 09:55.00 | mbuf | balrog-kun, thanks for your help |
| 09:55.24 | balrog-kun | mbuf: are you going to be implementing something cool? |
| 09:56.02 | mbuf | balrog-kun, not sure; just getting to learn through qemu; helps lot without hardware |
| 09:56.12 | mbuf | balrog-kun, do you have anything specific in mind? |
| 09:56.28 | balrog-kun | oh okay |
| 09:56.33 | balrog-kun | no, was just curious :) |
| 09:57.02 | mbuf | balrog-kun, the sources need to be organized neatly under specific folders; right now it looks disorganized? |
| 09:57.11 | mbuf | balrog-kun, atleast for readability |
| 09:57.25 | mbuf | balrog-kun, openUSB is interesting to look at |
| 09:57.53 | balrog-kun | there are a number of directories already, imho it's organised ok |
| 09:59.37 | mbuf | balrog-kun, ok |
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| 10:42.56 | CIA-1 | openmoko: 03chris * r3792 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-network.c): |
| 10:42.56 | CIA-1 | openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-network.c: (on_network_registered), |
| 10:42.56 | CIA-1 | openmoko: (sms_msghandler): |
| 10:42.56 | CIA-1 | openmoko: Add support for reading delivery status reports from the SIM card |
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| 11:07.59 | NineX | hmm glamo patches don't aply corectly so i can't compile linux-openmoko-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3790-r10 |
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| 11:10.48 | NineX | hmm glamo patches don't aply corectly so i can't compile linux-openmoko-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3790-r10 |
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| 12:26.46 | RedDog | where is d3reg set? |
| 12:27.02 | RedDog | is it hard- or software? |
| 12:28.16 | kinneh | guessing its a hardware thing, but dont know for sure |
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| 12:31.40 | RedDog | what is gta01_pcf_pdata.rails[PCF50606_REGULATOR_D3REG]? |
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| 12:45.59 | RedDog | wow... "cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/voltage_d3reg" :-) |
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| 13:10.40 | RedDog | u-boot sets d3reg, right? |
| 13:11.20 | SpeedEvil | It should set all the power rails |
| 13:11.35 | SpeedEvil | I think the jumpstart or whatever it's called may setup sane values |
| 13:11.42 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 13:11.48 | SpeedEvil | ifgnore that, no it won't |
| 13:12.03 | RedDog | const u_int8_t pcf50606_initial_regs[__NUM_PCF50606_REGS] = { |
| 13:12.18 | RedDog | [PCF50606_REG_D3REGC1] = 0xec, /* STBY_1V8: 2.1V */ |
| 13:12.53 | SpeedEvil | yes, I noticed that - there is a bug on that subject |
| 13:13.01 | SpeedEvil | it's also 1.8V in the datasheet |
| 13:13.10 | SpeedEvil | that's the standby power supply rail |
| 13:13.19 | NineX | hmm |
| 13:13.19 | RedDog | yes |
| 13:13.28 | RedDog | can you fix this? |
| 13:13.54 | RedDog | then we can close #806 |
| 13:13.57 | SpeedEvil | I submitted it as a bug, as while I could, I was assuming there must have been some rationale in setting it in the first place |
| 13:13.58 | NineX | my neo i hot even when suspended , connected to my pc |
| 13:14.04 | NineX | any ideas? |
| 13:14.16 | SpeedEvil | NineX: how hot? |
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| 13:14.52 | SpeedEvil | RedDog: 2.1V will not damage anything, it will just make suspend take a hair more power. |
| 13:15.02 | SpeedEvil | NineX: and what do you mean by syspended? |
| 13:15.04 | NineX | SpeedEvil: like when i played wesonth and cpu was 100%loaded |
| 13:15.14 | NineX | SpeedEvil: suspended via suspend to ram |
| 13:15.23 | SpeedEvil | NineX: that doesn't save much power |
| 13:15.28 | RedDog | SpeedEvil: yes, and i want to save power! ;-) |
| 13:16.14 | NineX | SpeedEvil: why? cpu sholud be stopped when system is suspended, or work in very slow mode |
| 13:16.40 | SpeedEvil | NineX: briefly - as I understand it, only the CPU is turned off |
| 13:16.50 | SpeedEvil | All the peripherals stay awake |
| 13:17.00 | SpeedEvil | or ratehr, the CPU to the clock is off. |
| 13:17.20 | NineX | SpeedEvil: ok so what peripheral generating heat ? |
| 13:17.36 | SpeedEvil | It's probably not suspending propoerly |
| 13:18.22 | SpeedEvil | NineX: if it's actually getting hot, something's wrong. |
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| 13:20.04 | SpeedEvil | RedDog: if I had schematics, I wouldn't hesitate on putting it to 1.8 - and probably Vio to 3.05V - but I don't. I don't know exactly what might be connected to that supply in addition to the CPU suspend power pin, and what its limits are |
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| 13:21.31 | RedDog | SpeedEvil: ok, that makes sens ... |
| 13:21.57 | RedDog | btw, where are these schematics? |
| 13:22.09 | SpeedEvil | Secret. |
| 13:22.22 | RedDog | Open! |
| 13:22.52 | RedDog | !?!? |
| 13:23.09 | SpeedEvil | I mean, they are secret, not that I'm not telling you. |
| 13:23.34 | SpeedEvil | (and I don't have them) |
| 13:23.46 | SpeedEvil | (/me accepts unsolicited DCCs) |
| 13:23.53 | RedDog | i know ... but it's a shame! |
| 13:24.59 | RedDog | anybody knows why they aren't open? |
| 13:25.24 | XorA|gone | chip manufacturers with bugs to hide |
| 13:25.29 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 13:25.29 | XorA|gone | otherwise known as an NDA |
| 13:25.54 | SpeedEvil | schematics aren't typically NDAd, as they are not directly produced by manufacturers |
| 13:26.16 | SpeedEvil | you get a 'connect pin 12 to a foo' list, and draw your own PCB |
| 13:26.50 | Mononoke | s/ddc/dcc |
| 13:26.59 | SpeedEvil | ddc works too. |
| 13:27.03 | SpeedEvil | If you can own my monitor. |
| 13:27.12 | zedstar | this looks interesting blurb about the new gps chip in freerunner..... the field test pdf thing http://www.u-blox.com/technology/supersense.html |
| 13:27.26 | RedDog | ok, who can answear this question? |
| 13:27.33 | SpeedEvil | what question? |
| 13:27.49 | RedDog | why they aren't open.. |
| 13:28.21 | XorA|gone | MichaelSchiloh |
| 13:28.26 | SpeedEvil | A) the design was not intended to be opened, so the appropriate rights were not obtained |
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| 13:28.44 | SpeedEvil | B) Concerns about someone taking the schematic and building a phone. |
| 13:28.58 | XorA|gone | SpeedEvil: I doubt B is a concern :-) |
| 13:29.20 | SpeedEvil | I would. |
| 13:29.29 | SpeedEvil | Though I'd be using it more as a base. |
| 13:29.37 | XorA|gone | all the nokia phone schematics are already on the internet |
| 13:29.43 | zash | orly |
| 13:29.47 | XorA|gone | and the n770 n800 ones as well |
| 13:29.52 | zash | 3310? |
| 13:30.09 | SpeedEvil | XorA|gone: released by nokia? |
| 13:30.25 | XorA|gone | SpeedEvil: scans of the official repair manuals, "obtained" from repair shops |
| 13:30.56 | SpeedEvil | They have full circuit diagrams? |
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| 13:31.02 | SpeedEvil | I'm really surprised. |
| 13:31.07 | XorA|gone | SpeedEvil: what I looked at looked pretty complete |
| 13:31.22 | XorA|gone | since computer crash I no longer have the link |
| 13:31.24 | Mononoke | see, will OM have official repair manuals to scan? |
| 13:31.26 | RedDog | neo1973 is a OPEN phone without schematic? |
| 13:31.47 | SpeedEvil | RedDog: the hardware is fully documented from a software perspective. |
| 13:31.51 | SpeedEvil | (or that's the idea) |
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| 13:32.08 | SpeedEvil | you do not need a schematic to have full access too the capability of the hardware |
| 13:32.36 | RedDog | SpeedEvil: then take me to the document wich shows me what is connected to d3reg .... |
| 13:33.07 | SpeedEvil | RedDog: It should be on the wiki - there is a list on the PM page |
| 13:33.17 | SpeedEvil | the question is - is it accurate. |
| 13:33.33 | SpeedEvil | find out who checked in the 2.1V and ping htem |
| 13:33.50 | RedDog | you mean http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management#STBY_1V8 ? |
| 13:34.16 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 13:34.45 | SpeedEvil | From memory, it's only 100uA or so - going from 2.1-1.8 may save 20uA at most. |
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| 13:35.44 | SpeedEvil | Or .05% of battery per day saving in suspend mode |
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| 13:41.45 | RedDog | SpeedEvil: as i can see as it was first activated it was set to ec ... |
| 13:42.57 | RedDog | it was LaF0rge ... |
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| 13:44.18 | SpeedEvil | roh: ping |
| 13:45.35 | SpeedEvil | roh: is there anything connected to the STBY_1V8 in the GTA01v4 other than the CPU - any reason for it to be 2.1, not 1.8? |
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| 13:53.22 | CIA-1 | openmoko: 03chris * r3794 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog data/org.openmoko.Dialer.service.in): Correct dbus service name |
| 13:56.07 | RedDog | any ideas about frequency scaling? |
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| 13:56.45 | SpeedEvil | someones got preliminary drivers, but I'm blanking on the name |
| 13:57.47 | SpeedEvil | cesarb |
| 13:58.02 | SpeedEvil | SpeedEvil: I've put up my current work online at http://repo.or.cz/w/linux-2.6/s3c2410-cpufreq.git (branch s3c2410-cpufreq) |
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| 14:01.23 | RedDog | SpeedEvil: thanks ;-) |
| 14:03.51 | SpeedEvil | the other part of that - cpuvolt - basically can't do it. |
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| 14:04.35 | SpeedEvil | Or at least not to full advantage on current hardware |
| 14:04.56 | SpeedEvil | as it can only go to 2.1 and 1.8v |
| 14:06.00 | RedDog | SpeedEvil: 0.3V are a great differnce for a cpu, isn't it? |
| 14:06.13 | tsuramoto | yes |
| 14:06.22 | tsuramoto | like 10% |
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| 14:08.42 | Bish | will neo1973 ever come out? |
| 14:09.06 | zash | i is already |
| 14:09.14 | Bish | .. the end version |
| 14:09.18 | Bish | not dev |
| 14:09.23 | N-Mi | Bish: at the same time as E17 and Duke Nukem Forever |
| 14:09.37 | Bish | dont understand your irony -_- |
| 14:10.06 | I-MOD | belive me, it's there |
| 14:10.21 | tsuramoto | you only have to declock it first |
| 14:10.28 | zash | N-Mi: and it will sync perfectly to windows 7 |
| 14:10.34 | tsuramoto | bish you have a flux capacitator right? |
| 14:10.38 | Xx13 | if you mean the software, there isn't going to be any kind of 'end verion' |
| 14:10.41 | zash | and Mac OS X11 |
| 14:10.54 | Bish | -_- |
| 14:11.01 | I-MOD | bkruse, flux capacitor :D |
| 14:11.34 | Bish | ok guys, when will gta02 come out? |
| 14:11.41 | tsuramoto | see topic |
| 14:11.42 | I-MOD | see the topic |
| 14:12.03 | Bish | pff.. |
| 14:12.06 | balrog-kun | o/ (there) |
| 14:12.06 | N-Mi | look at the topic |
| 14:12.40 | Bish | yeah ive been told N-Mi |
| 14:16.34 | Bish | uff i think it will never come out xD .. u guy are developing.. and developing but nothin happens :P |
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| 14:17.02 | tsuramoto | Bish: go check the wiki progress is being made |
| 14:17.06 | tsuramoto | and you are being rude |
| 14:17.30 | SpeedEvil | it's hardware porblems |
| 14:17.34 | shres | has there been some news about the various versions of efl (evas, ecore) etc which openmoko plans to use? |
| 14:17.38 | SpeedEvil | and too small dev budget basicallty |
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| 14:18.35 | Bish | SpeedEvil: am i allowed to ask, what kind of hardware problems? |
| 14:20.24 | SpeedEvil | power managment. |
| 14:20.51 | loufoque | so openmoko has dropped GTK+/GNOME altogether? |
| 14:20.54 | SpeedEvil | they are doing development of accel drivers and wifi, to make sure those subsystems don't have bugs, before starting another PCB revision. |
| 14:21.36 | SpeedEvil | hardware bugs |
| 14:21.51 | Bish | oO they wont use qt .. do they? loufoque |
| 14:22.00 | Bish | SpeedEvil: i see, thanks |
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| 14:23.03 | Mononoke | Qtopia ? =] |
| 14:23.16 | Bish | .. o god no , i love gtk |
| 14:23.24 | loufoque | Bish: it was a question |
| 14:23.33 | Bish | phew |
| 14:23.35 | loufoque | I don't know |
| 14:23.49 | loufoque | but it seems they want to use enlightenment |
| 14:23.59 | Mononoke | haha no /o' |
| 14:24.18 | loufoque | well at least the enlightenment foundation libraries |
| 14:24.24 | shres | well, i would think so since Raster works at openmoko inc :-) |
| 14:24.26 | toxx_ | at least the gtk interface feels very slow, is there room for improvements? |
| 14:24.26 | Xx13 | SpeedEvil: what about PM in gta v1, are there hardware issues? |
| 14:26.08 | loufoque | gta v2 has hardware accelerated graphics |
| 14:26.21 | toxx_ | ok, but I got a GTA01 :-) |
| 14:27.09 | toxx_ | ... and I'm trying to decide what's the best way to go to make a usable phone out of it. at the moment, QT feels a lot snappier |
| 14:28.04 | toxx_ | ... but I'd like to go with openmoko over QT if it is possible to have openmoko reacting with similar speed to my input as QT does |
| 14:29.01 | SpeedEvil | XXLT: no un-work-roundable ones |
| 14:29.19 | Bish | will compiz fusion run on gta02? |
| 14:29.25 | Bish | im just kidding.. |
| 14:29.37 | loufoque | Bish: of course |
| 14:29.45 | loufoque | and directx10 games too. |
| 14:29.49 | Bish | like hl²? |
| 14:29.54 | Bish | or starcraft? |
| 14:30.23 | loufoque | starcraft might actually run |
| 14:31.00 | Bish | :) |
| 14:31.24 | loufoque | once they've written the OpenGL driver |
| 14:31.32 | N-Mi | doom should work too, I have it on my Iriver (which is less powerfull) with Rockbox firmware |
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| 14:32.36 | shres | loufoque, i read off the wiki that the smedia chip they plan to use has no opengl/gles driver. |
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| 14:34.36 | loufoque | shres: no, but they have the full specs, they can write one. |
| 14:35.31 | I-MOD | starcraft was made to work on 75Mhz i386, no? |
| 14:36.02 | shres | loufoque, ah, true. |
| 14:36.05 | thomasg | one of the developers talked about a manyear of development effort for the glamo-opengles-capable driver |
| 14:36.26 | I-MOD | s/sim/em/ |
| 14:36.43 | teprrr | toxx_, there's a lot of room for improvements in gtk+ |
| 14:37.05 | teprrr | like every piece of software.. |
| 14:37.26 | thseiler | teprrr: can you elaborate a bit ? |
| 14:37.43 | loufoque | thomasg: and you think a man year is a lot? |
| 14:38.07 | thomasg | I think a man year is a man year :) |
| 14:38.44 | loufoque | depends how many developers openmoko has |
| 14:38.58 | thomasg | well see. there are not that much developers in the opensource world that can AND want write that driver - and in the openmoko project there are other priorities at moment I heard. |
| 14:39.07 | teprrr | thseiler, it's slow? |
| 14:39.59 | thseiler | teprrr: :-) i meant which part of it makes it so slow... Where should effort be spent first? |
| 14:40.25 | teprrr | thseiler, sorry, don't know about the specifics.. I mostly don't use any gtk+ apps :P |
| 14:40.47 | teprrr | thseiler, but ask toxx_, he said the UI feels slow |
| 14:41.35 | toxx_ | yes, I think if you compare it QT it does. |
| 14:41.49 | toxx_ | on the openmoko. I'm not talking about desktop QT vs. GTK. |
| 14:42.05 | toxx_ | could the reason be that GTK runs on top of X whereas QT runs directly on the framebuffer? |
| 14:42.19 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 14:42.22 | SpeedEvil | X is plenty fast |
| 14:42.37 | SpeedEvil | X isn't the slow bit |
| 14:42.49 | tsuramoto | how big is the size of X? |
| 14:42.53 | tsuramoto | mem foot print? |
| 14:43.08 | toxx_ | so if it isn't X, what is it, then? |
| 14:43.15 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.18 | thseiler | i also think the problem is not X. while hacking on the matchbox-keyboard, X felt very responsive |
| 14:43.37 | tsuramoto | nice :) |
| 14:43.42 | SpeedEvil | The problem is that nobody at all has been wotking on speed |
| 14:43.46 | SpeedEvil | pretty much |
| 14:44.08 | SpeedEvil | when your SMS program can't actually send SMSs is not the time for optimisation |
| 14:44.26 | Mononoke | speed can increase after bugficing and even after distributing ... |
| 14:45.04 | toxx_ | ok, thanks for the answer. I also agree that the matchbox keyboard is one of the faster thinks in openmoko :-) I can also understand that now is not the time for optimizations. stll: do you think the reason is in non-optimized GTK code or the openmoko apps themselves? |
| 14:45.11 | Mononoke | *bugfixing |
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| 14:49.08 | shres | does openmoko use the upstream gtk or does it use some of the speedup patches which the maemo guys came up with? |
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| 15:04.29 | Sup3rkiddo | shres, afaik, upstream... |
| 15:08.10 | Bish | np:All Shall Perish - Eradication |
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| 16:16.04 | CIA-1 | openmoko: 03chris * r3797 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (ChangeLog data/org.openmoko.OpenmokoMessages2.service.in): |
| 16:16.04 | CIA-1 | openmoko: * data/org.openmoko.OpenmokoMessages2.service.in: |
| 16:16.04 | CIA-1 | openmoko: Correct service name |
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| 16:58.30 | ravenhair | Howdy... |
| 16:58.48 | ravenhair | So here i am tryin this on my Fedora 7 box and I keep gettin: |
| 16:58.53 | ravenhair | ERROR: No providers of build target u-boot-openmoko (for []) |
| 16:59.04 | ravenhair | During make openmoko-devel-image |
| 16:59.09 | ravenhair | any suggestions? |
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| 17:01.25 | Sup3rkiddo | ravenhair, did you make update-makefile? |
| 17:01.32 | Sup3rkiddo | and make update?... |
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| 17:08.17 | ravenhair | no, it's a new build, but i'll try it. |
| 17:09.38 | ravenhair | thanks |
| 17:14.52 | Sup3rkiddo | ravenhair, it seems that uboot-openmoko has been renamed to u-boot-openmoko |
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| 17:23.32 | ravenhair | the update seems to have updated some things. |
| 17:24.12 | ravenhair | and I get the smae error. |
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| 17:24.54 | ravenhair | trying the "Build issues" suggestions on the wiki. |
| 17:30.04 | mmontour | ravenhair: is that the first error you get, or is there a previous failure in building the openmoko-devel-image target? |
| 17:30.34 | mmontour | The current MokoMakefile should handle both the uboot-openmoko and the u-boot-openmoko variants of u-boot |
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| 17:30.56 | ravenhair | that's the last one i see, I'll take a look for others. |
| 17:31.19 | ravenhair | make clean-package-u-boot-openmoko also fails with: |
| 17:31.26 | ravenhair | ERROR: No providers of build target u-boot-openmoko (for []) |
| 17:31.27 | ravenhair | make: *** [clean-package-u-boot-openmoko] Error 1 |
| 17:31.53 | mmontour | You could also try ". ./setup.env ; cd build ; bitbake openmoko-devel-image" to build just the image, and then do u-boot later |
| 17:32.18 | ScaredyCat | if someone having a laugh? |
| 17:32.25 | ScaredyCat | s/if/si/ |
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| 17:32.34 | ScaredyCat | s/si/is/ |
| 17:32.38 | ScaredyCat | " Please install following missing utilities: GNU Fortran Compiler" |
| 17:32.45 | ravenhair | there are earlier error's. |
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| 17:33.16 | ravenhair | NOTE: package qemu-native-0.9.0+cvs20070613-r5: task do_configure: started |
| 17:33.16 | ravenhair | ERROR: function do_configure failed |
| 17:33.16 | ravenhair | ERROR: log data follows (/home/mluich/moko/build/tmp/work/i686-linux/qemu-native |
| 17:33.16 | ravenhair | -0.9.0+cvs20070613-r5/temp/log.do_configure.7165) |
| 17:33.37 | mmontour | BTW, "u-boot-openmoko" is the new name (e.g. "make update-bleeding-edge"), and "uboot-openmoko" is the old one |
| 17:35.07 | mwester | ScaredyCat: the toolchain issue that "requires" gfortran and a specific (non-common) library has raised its head once again in OE. This time, someone "fixed" it by adding a check to the sanity checker to make sure you have gfortran installed (which doesn't sove the real problem anyway). |
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| 17:36.09 | ScaredyCat | roflmao |
| 17:36.11 | ravenhair | I appear to be missing gcc 3.x !?!?! |
| 17:37.07 | mwester | ravenhair: usually you have to install something like "gcc_compat" or "compat-gcc" on the host to get that old a gcc compiler. |
| 17:37.24 | ravenhair | gcc version 4.1.2 20070925 (Red Hat 4.1.2-27) |
| 17:37.32 | ravenhair | nodding, |
| 17:38.03 | mwester | Unless you are really attached to locales, or you are intent upon using qemu, just add the following to your local.conf file: |
| 17:38.05 | mwester | ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" |
| 17:38.31 | ScaredyCat | yeah, that'll save a few hours of waiting too |
| 17:38.35 | ravenhair | I'm hoping to do qemu, and install gcc 3.x is not a problem for me. |
| 17:39.03 | ravenhair | Thanks all. |
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| 18:20.53 | ravenhair | yum install compat-gcc-34-c++ |
| 18:20.58 | ravenhair | and it's past qemu. |
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| 18:24.44 | LarstiQ | woh |
| 18:24.50 | LarstiQ | lokpest: ala the band? |
| 18:25.52 | lokpest | LarstiQ: yes, my nick is taken from the LOK song lokpest :-) |
| 18:26.11 | lokpest | or "song" mabye wasnt the best description |
| 18:26.41 | LarstiQ | heh :) |
| 18:27.15 | LarstiQ | lokpest: not that I could understand any of the lyrics, but it sounded cool to my ear back then :) |
| 18:27.28 | lokpest | :-) |
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| 18:30.16 | LarstiQ | lokpest: weee, last.fm knows about them, thanks for reminding me :) |
| 18:30.49 | lokpest | np, at your service :-) |
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| 18:35.04 | Ghiottone | hi all |
| 18:35.08 | Ghiottone | ping mickey|dinner |
| 18:37.18 | NineX | glamo-report-vram-size-to-userspace.patch is slightly fucjed up |
| 18:38.08 | NineX | http://pastebin.ca/848406 |
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| 18:39.05 | NineX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:58.04 | bkruse | I-MOD: yes, flux capacitor |
| 19:00.28 | tsuramoto | i know |
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| 19:08.10 | *** topic/#openmoko by Ghiottone -> Happy new BEER! The OpenMoko Project - http://openmoko.org - Neo1973 GTA01 on sale at https://direct.openmoko.com | Do not ask about GTA02/FreeRunner (Maybe March as of last update - yes, that's with WiFi, and no, there's no cam). Latest official update is at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
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| 19:11.21 | mwester | why is the topic encouraging beer sales now? Has Openmoko branched out into breweries as well? |
| 19:12.22 | mwester | I mean, it's an interesting concept: "Software for your phone *AND* your brewery!" |
| 19:12.37 | mbuf | mwester, they are going to sponsor free beer for community developers; new initiative |
| 19:12.41 | mjr | breweries need phones too |
| 19:13.06 | mwester | Or maybe the developers need breweries? |
| 19:13.27 | balrog-kun | everyone needs breweries |
| 19:13.44 | mbuf | mwester, they are going to call it "Bud-Wiser" |
| 19:14.19 | CIA-1 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3798 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (4 files): remove three patches that have been merged mainline |
| 19:14.19 | mwester | (of course, you could travel to Denver, where you'll find that all the developers ride bicycles to work, climb mountains, and drink nothing but bottled water) |
| 19:15.26 | JohnMahowald | http://www.freebeer.org/ |
| 19:15.27 | buz | so neo ocmes with free http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Source_Beer_Project now? |
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| 19:16.01 | kdean06 | mwester, I brew my own beer for much the same reason I like Free Software - and as soon as I have my Neo I WILL be installing Brewing software - of working on installing it if it fails. :) |
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| 19:18.08 | ewon | mmmm, beer. |
| 19:18.26 | ewon | also, medication ends today, I can drink again \o/ |
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| 19:25.31 | wurp2 | kdean06: No neo yet? |
| 19:25.46 | kdean06 | wurp2, I've got a UPS tracking numnber now and I'll have it on Monday. |
| 19:25.52 | sh33p^cF | Anyone see Jadefalcon? |
| 19:26.33 | wurp2 | kdean06: Excellent. I thought you had been talking about it for more than a week - maybe time is just stretched out for me because my neo is shipped off to San Francisco for the gsm update :-) |
| 19:26.59 | kdean06 | I HAVE been talking baout it for a week. FIC was horrifically slow processing my order. :( |
| 19:27.04 | wurp2 | :-( |
| 19:27.15 | kdean06 | Took then almost a week - I only got my tracking number yesterday. |
| 19:27.32 | wurp2 | It took from Friday evening when I ordered until (I think) Tuesday before they sent mine off |
| 19:27.48 | wurp2 | but I still got it within 7-8 days, total |
| 19:27.59 | kdean06 | I'm contented in the belief that they can't spare someone to pack it up and ship it because they're too busy hacking... As long as I can hold onto that, I can cope and not be angry. :P |
| 19:28.01 | wurp2 | yowsa |
| 19:28.04 | wurp2 | :-) |
| 19:28.46 | mwester | kdean06: the reality is that mokotime is only loosely correlated to real time. |
| 19:29.07 | daMaestro | JohnMahowald, you going to be @ FUDCon? |
| 19:29.22 | daMaestro | mwester, hey now.. i also drink beer |
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| 19:29.41 | kdean06 | mwester, Much like American Football, then? :) |
| 19:30.19 | mwester | Once in a while, the mokodimension moves into alignment with our reality, and information and goods travel between the two planes of existence, then they drift apart once again... |
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| 19:31.34 | daMaestro | mwester, sadly, we are loosing the flying dog brewery :-/ |
| 19:31.42 | wurp2 | Does everyone else end up writing a bunch of little scripts to do all the multistep and/or weird pathname crap that you have to do to use GTA01 functionality in openmoko? |
| 19:32.12 | wurp2 | I have all these little scripts to turn on/off bluetooth, gps, etc, to start up the gps stack & shut it down |
| 19:32.20 | wurp2 | That seem as if they belong in the release |
| 19:33.01 | wurp2 | or at least in a little utility ipkg |
| 19:33.17 | wurp2 | Well, that works for the hardware |
| 19:33.36 | wurp2 | except that as far as I can tell, the menu lies to me about whether those things are actually on or not |
| 19:34.09 | wurp2 | I'm pretty sure that multiple times I've turned on gps or turned off bluetooth, then the menu says they're in the other state |
| 19:34.18 | wurp2 | So I didn't so much trust the menu |
| 19:34.38 | quicksand | wurp2: Yeah, I have scripts & stuff for forcing fast charge, restarting X, changing ALSA settings, etc. |
| 19:34.42 | wurp2 | Plus, it interrupts my concentration to switch from command line to power button menu |
| 19:35.03 | wurp2 | quicksand: I didn't see how to force fast charge |
| 19:35.12 | wurp2 | Other than with uboot menu |
| 19:35.34 | quicksand | echo -n "fast_cccv" > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgmode |
| 19:36.35 | wurp2 | Thanks! |
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| 19:37.00 | quicksand | [much easier to type "charge" than all that!] |
| 19:37.14 | quicksand | I also made a .desktop entry for it. |
| 19:37.15 | wurp2 | no kiddink |
| 19:37.27 | wurp2 | I need to figure out how to do that, too :-) |
| 19:37.28 | PP|Spydon | I can't find any info about 3g on the wiki so I assume they don't have 3g or have they? |
| 19:37.35 | wurp2 | no 3g |
| 19:37.36 | wurp2 | 2.5g |
| 19:38.12 | maito | gprs :/ |
| 19:38.42 | PP|Spydon | okay |
| 19:38.44 | wurp2 | Is there some way to learn about all the /sys/devices files? |
| 19:39.04 | wurp2 | Besides reading all the code? |
| 19:39.15 | quicksand | What you said. :-/ |
| 19:39.33 | PP|Spydon | il buy it anyway but too bad there weren't any |
| 19:41.11 | wurp2 | PP|Spydon: yep :-( |
| 19:41.37 | maito | maybe someone will make a hack |
| 19:41.59 | PP|Spydon | you can't make a hack without the chip :P |
| 19:42.37 | maito | buy the chip from somewhere? |
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| 19:45.36 | RedDog | SpeedEvil: have you found out something new about #806? i had a talk to LaF0rge and he added a comment ;-) |
| 19:45.40 | PP|Spydon | maybe maito but I don't think I would be good enough to get it in :P |
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| 19:47.58 | maito | mount it on the back cover? |
| 19:49.32 | quicksand | On the back cover with a battery pack, usb hub, wifi dongle, and maybe a flashlight and laser for good measure. |
| 19:50.54 | wurp2 | Now, now. |
| 19:51.06 | wurp2 | You could just glue on the existing flashlight and laser that comes with the neo |
| 19:51.27 | wurp2 | I actually have a powered usb hub with a battery pack rigged up at home |
| 19:51.48 | wurp2 | I used it for my GP2X and haven't tried it with the neo, but I can't imagine why it wouldn't work |
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| 19:52.21 | wurp2 | http://wiki.gp2x.org/wiki/WirelessUSBTutorial |
| 19:52.39 | CIA-1 | openmoko: 03werner * r3799 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/ (gta02-acc.patch series): (log message trimmed) |
| 19:52.39 | CIA-1 | openmoko: Willie's SPI fixes for the accelerometers. This is the original patch, with a |
| 19:52.39 | CIA-1 | openmoko: number of bugs. I'll follow it up with corrections. The reason for splitting it |
| 19:52.39 | CIA-1 | openmoko: is to make it easier to show and discuss the changes. |
| 19:52.39 | CIA-1 | openmoko: gta02-acc.patch: |
| 19:52.43 | CIA-1 | openmoko: - arch/arm/mach-s3c2440/mach-gta02.c (gta02_devices): removed s3c_device_spi0 |
| 19:52.45 | CIA-1 | openmoko: and s3c_device_spi1, and replaced them with explicitly registered |
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| 19:55.11 | quicksand | I'm just imagining trying to get such a rig onto an airplane! |
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| 19:55.29 | wurp2 | Oh yeah, they'd just shoot you to save time |
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| 19:56.48 | wurp2 | I never tried to fly with it. In fact, once I got it up, it was pretty pointless... data entry using only a joystick & 4 buttons is not ideal, and I wasn't willing to carry around a usb keyboard too. |
| 19:56.58 | wurp2 | It was more for the fun of putting it together than any practical use |
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| 20:06.17 | doughnut42 | anyone have any idea why i'm getting this error when running "make openmoko-devel-image" with the MokoMakefile? |
| 20:06.17 | doughnut42 | http://openmoko.pastebin.com/m48867d1 |
| 20:06.18 | doughnut42 | i've tried starting from scratch with no luck. |
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| 20:13.43 | CIA-1 | openmoko: 03werner * r3800 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta02-acc.patch: (log message trimmed) |
| 20:13.43 | CIA-1 | openmoko: Cleanup and big fixes for the accelerometer driver. Note that it still hangs |
| 20:13.43 | CIA-1 | openmoko: the system with what seems to be a permanently asserted interrupt. So don't |
| 20:13.43 | CIA-1 | openmoko: enable it yet. |
| 20:13.43 | CIA-1 | openmoko: gta02-acc.patch: |
| 20:13.44 | CIA-1 | openmoko: - arch/arm/mach-s3c2440/mach-gta02.c (gta02_spi_acc_set_cs): chip select is now |
| 20:13.48 | CIA-1 | openmoko: handled by spi_acc_cs, removed |
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| 20:24.48 | quicksand | doughnut42: Sorry, I got nothin'. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable will wander by. |
| 20:25.06 | doughnut42 | quicksand: thanks |
| 20:25.20 | quicksand | Of all the errors I have seen in the last few months (and believe me, it's plenty) yours isn't one of them. |
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| 20:30.40 | quicksand | doughnut42: if you haven't already, please do 'make update-makefile && make setup && make update' and try again -- and if it still doesn't work after a few hours to a day, there might be something wrong with your setup. |
| 20:31.50 | quicksand | Sometimes there are transient problems with the repository. And by 'sometimes,' I mean 'usually.' ;-) |
| 20:32.07 | doughnut42 | quicksand: yeah, could be something wrong. i thought i tried that but still am not able to get a clean build. i thought i was able to get a clean build once, though. maybe it was on a different machine. |
| 20:32.16 | doughnut42 | heh |
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| 20:52.32 | aospan | I need GUI program for GPS navigation under openmoko. Which is the best ? :) |
| 20:53.07 | univac | navit? |
| 20:53.32 | aospan | thx, trying navit ... |
| 20:54.38 | CIA-1 | openmoko: 03werner * r3801 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/ (fbset-smedia-glamo.patch series): |
| 20:54.38 | CIA-1 | openmoko: Final small fix by Dodji. Driver works now. |
| 20:54.38 | CIA-1 | openmoko: series: |
| 20:54.38 | CIA-1 | openmoko: - fbset-* patches are now good to go |
| 20:54.38 | CIA-1 | openmoko: fbset-smedia-glamo.patch: |
| 20:54.38 | CIA-1 | openmoko: - drivers/video/glamo/glamo-fb.c (glamofb_set_par): typo "doens't" |
| 20:54.40 | CIA-1 | openmoko: - drivers/video/glamo/glamo-fb.c (glamofb_set_par): don't recalculate smem_len |
| 20:55.46 | univac | fast ;d |
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| 20:56.18 | tsuramoto | hello univac |
| 20:56.44 | univac | tsuramoto: hi :) |
| 20:57.16 | tsuramoto | what ya working on? |
| 20:57.38 | univac | downlaoding kernel tree :) |
| 20:57.48 | tsuramoto | what version? |
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| 20:58.15 | univac | git |
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| 20:59.17 | tsuramoto | if I want a realtime kernel, what do I do except for asking google |
| 20:59.22 | tsuramoto | any pointers? |
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| 22:20.57 | Tweek888 | greetings |
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| 22:31.39 | NineX | op odesan |
| 22:32.21 | NineX | ops |
| 22:32.28 | doc|work | ? |
| 22:33.20 | Flyser | hi I am trying to get openmoko running in a virtual machine (qemu). I am using the MokoMakefile, but unfortunately "make qemu" fails with this error: http://rafb.net/p/7HtVwS88.html |
| 22:33.27 | Flyser | any ideas? |
| 22:43.28 | Linux_Galore | Comment of the day seen on /. regarding data centres on cargo ships ...programming in Sea+ |
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| 22:45.45 | doc|work | hehehe |
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| 22:46.17 | Tweek888 | yo |
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| 23:00.59 | CIA-1 | openmoko: 03werner * r3802 10/trunk/src/target/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 23:00.59 | CIA-1 | openmoko: Updated to latest u-boot upstream and OpenMoko SVN versions, and cleaned |
| 23:00.59 | CIA-1 | openmoko: up the "update" scripts a bit. |
| 23:01.00 | CIA-1 | openmoko: - u-boot/scripts/update, kernel/scripts/update: removed "don't use" header |
| 23:01.00 | CIA-1 | openmoko: - u-boot/scripts/build: updated GIT_HEAD and SVN_REV to latest version |
| 23:01.02 | CIA-1 | openmoko: (80adb2761627ec10eb8997bea6c1e52e34816c6b, 3801) |
| 23:01.04 | CIA-1 | openmoko: - u-boot/scripts/update, kernel/scripts/update: clarified which environment |
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| 23:02.26 | CIA-1 | openmoko: 03werner * r3803 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/scripts/ (build update): Remove and re-create "build" and "update" to change permissions :-( |
| 23:03.21 | CIA-1 | openmoko: 03werner * r3804 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/scripts/ (build update): |
| 23:03.21 | CIA-1 | openmoko: Remove and re-create "build" and "update" to change permissions :-( |
| 23:03.21 | CIA-1 | openmoko: (Make the scripts executable.) |
| 23:04.06 | CIA-1 | openmoko: 03werner * r3805 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/scripts/ (build update): Remove and re-create "build" and "update" to change permissions :-( |
| 23:04.29 | CIA-1 | openmoko: 03werner * r3806 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/scripts/ (build update): |
| 23:04.29 | CIA-1 | openmoko: Remove and re-create "build" and "update" to change permissions :-( |
| 23:04.29 | CIA-1 | openmoko: (Make the scripts executable.) |
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| 23:27.37 | doc|work | ban RegaL, he's a spammer |
| 23:27.50 | RegaL | sie |
| 23:27.52 | RegaL | amcık |
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