| 00:00.15 | balrog-kun | openmoko is a software platform |
| 00:00.27 | Blastur | ls -al |
| 00:00.29 | uriahheep | on an OM phone, i mean :P |
| 00:00.41 | Blastur | no, .. thats not the right terminal |
| 00:00.45 | uriahheep | it's just fun ;) |
| 00:00.53 | balrog-kun | mmm maybe the comparison of upnp with gstreamer is not very fortunate |
| 00:01.16 | LarstiQ | uriahheep: it also poses problems for workplaces where you are not allowed to take cameras |
| 00:01.21 | Stephmw | uriahheep: ok, I admit it, I've given in to cameraphone fun... http://stephanemw.googlepages.com/WaterlooSkies1.jpg |
| 00:01.26 | Blastur | hey, does anyone know if the freerunner is capable of acting as a host for a 3gturbo usb modem? |
| 00:01.40 | uriahheep | hmm, unfortunately i don't have a graphical browser right now :P |
| 00:01.41 | Stephmw | LarstiQ: here's an idea... a removable camera module |
| 00:01.48 | SpeedEvil | StealthCP: I don't want it for a camera for showing other people. I want it for other stuff. |
| 00:02.14 | SpeedEvil | Stephmw: that's horrible - for a number of reasons. |
| 00:02.14 | LarstiQ | Stephmw: usb or sd, why not |
| 00:02.57 | balrog-kun | yes, sdio, hidden under the battery |
| 00:03.06 | balrog-kun | so that you can take pictures of the battery back :) |
| 00:03.38 | LarstiQ | Stephmw: you took that with a phone camera? |
| 00:03.51 | LarstiQ | balrog-kun: not in the current generations :P |
| 00:05.14 | Stephmw | LarstiQ: yeah, but I didn't stitch it in the phone :) |
| 00:05.19 | Stephmw | LarstiQ: 8 separate shots |
| 00:05.50 | LarstiQ | Stephmw: still |
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| 00:07.36 | Stephmw | LarstiQ: with proper gear, you get better stuff, http://pano.tangency.co.uk/ |
| 00:13.04 | Stephmw | the lenses for those must cost a fair whack |
| 00:13.16 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 00:14.00 | SpeedEvil | And you need a mechanical shutter. |
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| 00:29.09 | spydon | when is spring at your place? :P |
| 00:31.11 | spydon | spring can vary pretty much on diffrent places can't it? |
| 00:33.49 | spydon | sorry for my horrible english :P |
| 00:34.13 | SpeedEvil | March/april/may |
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| 00:35.41 | spydon | Okay :) |
| 00:36.01 | spydon | That's nice |
| 00:36.54 | balrog-kun | that's precisely why it says spring :) |
| 00:37.13 | balrog-kun | so that they can say it was the southern hemisphere spring if things take longer |
| 00:37.20 | spydon | crap that was what I thought :P |
| 00:38.04 | smil3y | anyone here using one of the neos with at&t here? thinking about looking in to one |
| 00:38.26 | SpeedEvil | some AT&T peoples have problems. |
| 00:38.37 | SpeedEvil | balrog-kun: plutonian spring. |
| 00:38.47 | spydon | ive heard that at&t is the devil... |
| 00:38.57 | balrog-kun | SpeedEvil: that must be like every 17 years or something? |
| 00:39.03 | smil3y | whats the latest software and phone like, stable? usable? |
| 00:39.33 | spydon | lol balrog-kun :P |
| 00:39.38 | smil3y | at&t i s still pretty much cingular i havent noticed any difference in a thing, been with cing for 5 years |
| 00:40.08 | SpeedEvil | balrog-kun: 200 I think. |
| 00:40.23 | SpeedEvil | 248 google says |
| 00:40.43 | balrog-kun | oh, i was only wrong by 231 years |
| 00:40.44 | SpeedEvil | It's approaching winter now, the hydrogen atmosphere freezing out. |
| 00:40.46 | spydon | crap then I won't even be alive when gta02 is released :P |
| 00:40.51 | balrog-kun | *off |
| 00:40.57 | SpeedEvil | or is it neon |
| 00:41.02 | SpeedEvil | It's probably neon. |
| 00:41.51 | balrog-kun | but the difference between 17 and 248 years is only theoretical |
| 00:42.12 | balrog-kun | both are enough time for the competition to win :p |
| 00:43.01 | SpeedEvil | Not if the software is good enough! :) |
| 00:44.08 | balrog-kun | but then i would be seriously demanding teleportation and flux capacitors as a user |
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| 01:01.52 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03werner * r3777 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/ (fbset-gta02-core.patch fbset-smedia-glamo.patch series): (log message trimmed) |
| 01:01.52 | CIA-15 | openmoko: These are the fbset support patches olv submitted a month ago: |
| 01:01.52 | CIA-15 | openmoko: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2007-December/000322.html |
| 01:01.52 | CIA-15 | openmoko: The patches are commented out in "series", since they're still untested |
| 01:01.52 | CIA-15 | openmoko: | This patchset adds fbset support to glamofb. This means, it can now |
| 01:01.55 | CIA-15 | openmoko: | switch between VGA and QVGA at runtime like GTA01 does. |
| 01:01.57 | CIA-15 | openmoko: | |
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| 04:33.27 | NonPhiDeltA | i has 1 beer |
| 04:33.36 | NonPhiDeltA | and varaible of rx'z |
| 04:33.39 | NonPhiDeltA | mmmm |
| 04:34.19 | NonPhiDeltA | the purple stains my hear |
| 04:34.21 | NonPhiDeltA | my hood |
| 04:34.31 | NonPhiDeltA | covered in purple rip purple urp urple |
| 04:34.47 | NonPhiDeltA | 1134 |
| 04:34.50 | NonPhiDeltA | h8orzx |
| 04:34.53 | NonPhiDeltA | bling |
| 04:34.56 | NonPhiDeltA | blankity blam |
| 04:35.02 | NonPhiDeltA | smart !?1?!? err ppooof |
| 04:35.31 | NonPhiDeltA | wine wit me ============================== |
| 04:35.44 | NonPhiDeltA | to 4 cahn dunnuununun (dat mobile riff) |
| 04:36.03 | NonPhiDeltA | whatis moko |
| 04:36.08 | NonPhiDeltA | ? |
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| 04:36.46 | NonPhiDeltA | hihi |
| 04:36.48 | NonPhiDeltA | imim |
| 04:36.51 | NonPhiDeltA | urp |
| 04:37.12 | NonPhiDeltA | urple |
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| 04:59.41 | Psi_ | how long should it take to get a gta01 gps fix outside? |
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| 05:01.36 | SpeedEvil | outside, from cold, 5-10 mins IIRC |
| 05:01.55 | Psi_ | ok, maybe i didnt wait long enough then |
| 05:02.27 | SpeedEvil | Certainly >>30s |
| 05:02.42 | Psi_ | yeah, i was expecting 30-60 seconds |
| 05:02.50 | Psi_ | stayed outside maybe 6minutes with no lock |
| 05:02.57 | SpeedEvil | maybe when warm |
| 05:03.09 | Psi_ | does it get locks when inside? |
| 05:03.16 | SpeedEvil | I would have expected it to have usually locked by then |
| 05:03.39 | SpeedEvil | I should do some checking. |
| 05:08.25 | Psi_ | there was someone on the mailing list who couldn't get a lock either. He had it outside for 30min. I cant find his email though |
| 05:09.38 | Psi_ | ah, found it |
| 05:11.41 | SpeedEvil | there are apparantly buggy ones |
| 05:11.54 | Psi_ | as in hardware or software? |
| 05:12.00 | SpeedEvil | hardware |
| 05:12.45 | Psi_ | :( |
| 05:14.40 | Psi_ | "sweet! my neo just got a fix for the first time. Must be the 2.6.23 kernel... because I could not get a fix on any images with the 2.6.22 kernel. " |
| 05:15.11 | Psi_ | :) |
| 05:16.05 | Psi_ | haha |
| 05:16.08 | ewon | hmm, I see openmoko made digg |
| 05:16.15 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 05:16.23 | Sup3rkiddo | ...and too standing on the terrace of ma friend's house |
| 05:25.08 | SpeedEvil | Where was the actual press release for freerunner? |
| 05:25.15 | SpeedEvil | I don't see it on openmoko.com |
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| 05:54.26 | SpeedEvil | I've reworked http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo1973 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenMoko |
| 05:54.54 | SpeedEvil | To reflect outdated history and the new release info |
| 05:55.03 | SpeedEvil | stupid-checks welcome |
| 05:58.01 | maito | 500MHz cpu has been decided? |
| 05:58.18 | brian_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:58.22 | brian_ | Y A Y |
| 05:58.50 | mwester | No, 500MHz is *not* decided. |
| 05:59.23 | brian_ | IS COMES TO MIND |
| 05:59.27 | brian_ | oo |
| 05:59.49 | maito | I really think the wiki should tell about the 400MHz 2442 |
| 06:00.28 | mudyc | it does |
| 06:00.41 | mudyc | 400 MHz (final version) |
| 06:00.52 | brian_ | yyup |
| 06:00.55 | maito | "The changes include a faster processor (500Mhz)" |
| 06:01.20 | maito | on the Openmoko page |
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| 06:01.53 | brian_ | kinda pricy |
| 06:02.12 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 06:02.14 | maito | who cares :p |
| 06:02.36 | brian_ | y im so cheap i use linux |
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| 06:03.57 | SpeedEvil | $450 I don't think makes any sense if it goes on sale say march. |
| 06:04.10 | maito | why? |
| 06:05.21 | SpeedEvil | As at the time it was first going to hit - ... |
| 06:05.24 | SpeedEvil | when was that? |
| 06:05.24 | brian_ | bytheway |
| 06:05.30 | SpeedEvil | november last year? |
| 06:05.31 | brian_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.50 | SpeedEvil | it arguably made sense. |
| 06:06.05 | SpeedEvil | 6 months on - prices of other hardware have dropped a fair bit. |
| 06:06.50 | brian_ | iphone migration is gonna come after those $3500 bills |
| 06:07.04 | SpeedEvil | Also - speaking personally, I'd be quite happy losing the 2d/3d hardware graphics accel. |
| 06:07.44 | brian_ | the great hordes |
| 06:07.47 | SpeedEvil | At 400MHz in QVGA, it can easily do most video. |
| 06:08.09 | brian_ | y faster than a pII |
| 06:08.18 | SpeedEvil | It's not. |
| 06:08.34 | SpeedEvil | It's comparable speed with a PI/150 or so |
| 06:08.41 | SpeedEvil | (at 400MHz) |
| 06:08.46 | brian_ | fast |
| 06:08.52 | SpeedEvil | It's _much_ slower than a PII/300 |
| 06:08.57 | SpeedEvil | (the current version) |
| 06:09.09 | maito | SpeedEvil: but you can save battery with the accelerator? |
| 06:09.17 | SpeedEvil | Debatable. |
| 06:09.35 | SpeedEvil | Perhaps. |
| 06:09.40 | maito | I believe a lot |
| 06:09.53 | SpeedEvil | I believe in datasheets. |
| 06:09.54 | brian_ | i hope somebody builds a slackware fore it |
| 06:09.55 | maito | because the cpu is a RISC? |
| 06:10.00 | SpeedEvil | (to a limited extent) |
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| 06:10.11 | maito | brian_: why? |
| 06:10.22 | brian_ | whynot |
| 06:10.36 | SpeedEvil | The CPU is about as much a RISC as the Pentium. |
| 06:10.47 | maito | pentium or pentium mmx? |
| 06:10.52 | SpeedEvil | CISC ate RISC. |
| 06:11.01 | maito | its all hybrids nowadays |
| 06:11.06 | SpeedEvil | Basically as memory access times have not kept up. |
| 06:11.52 | SpeedEvil | Since 1990, random access speeds - true random access - has improved by maybe an order of magnitude. |
| 06:12.13 | SpeedEvil | Memory system bandwidth has improved my maybe 3 times. |
| 06:12.23 | SpeedEvil | Memory system bandwidth has improved my maybe 3 orders. |
| 06:12.42 | maito | but I believe itll be much nicer to watch video with the accelerator |
| 06:13.25 | SpeedEvil | At 400Mhz, and QVGA mode, it's quite capable of doing most video playing smoothly in software. |
| 06:13.48 | maito | I bet all video playback |
| 06:13.52 | SpeedEvil | the video chip will also only support a very limited set of codecs. |
| 06:13.59 | SpeedEvil | and it only supports video. |
| 06:14.21 | maito | but the idea is to run the cpu for example 200MHz so that the battery will not last 1-3h but at least 4-6 hours |
| 06:14.26 | SpeedEvil | so the CPU has to be awake all the time feeding it undecoded video, and playing the audio. |
| 06:15.05 | SpeedEvil | This is all quite irrelevant until the power numbers come out. |
| 06:15.43 | maito | you believe in the datasheets, those are which tell you the numbers |
| 06:15.51 | SpeedEvil | Which are secret |
| 06:16.13 | maito | power consumption of the cpu and the accelerator is secret? |
| 06:16.29 | SpeedEvil | sort-of. |
| 06:16.37 | SpeedEvil | The CPU datasheet does not give numbers. |
| 06:16.46 | SpeedEvil | The accel datasheet is not available. |
| 06:17.29 | maito | it says 300MHz @ 1.35v and 400MHz at 1.5v |
| 06:17.38 | SpeedEvil | that's not a power |
| 06:17.55 | maito | uh, true :P |
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| 06:18.12 | SpeedEvil | I can't see a power - at any speed - mentioned. |
| 06:18.25 | maito | wait |
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| 06:27.27 | maito | SpeedEvil: okay, anyway. |
| 06:27.32 | maito | I cant find the info :/ |
| 06:27.43 | maito | how much you think the screen eats? |
| 06:31.58 | SpeedEvil | Somewhere I have numbers |
| 06:32.19 | SpeedEvil | 300mW? |
| 06:32.28 | SpeedEvil | It's hard to give a simple figure. |
| 06:32.44 | SpeedEvil | as the memory bandwidth interferes. |
| 06:33.22 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if GTA02 lacks an external memory bus. |
| 06:33.30 | SpeedEvil | That might help moderately on power usage |
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| 06:42.41 | brian_ | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2393777675.html |
| 06:46.27 | SpeedEvil | which blatant inaccuracy were you referring to? |
| 06:48.32 | brian_ | y all i have seen say 500 mhz |
| 06:48.58 | brian_ | http://www.slashphone.com/111/9052.html |
| 06:49.14 | SpeedEvil | The cpu datasheet says 400 |
| 06:49.19 | SpeedEvil | I'm going with that. |
| 06:49.43 | brian_ | ok |
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| 07:07.28 | Tronic | In 2009? |
| 07:08.49 | SpeedEvil | ? |
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| 07:13.12 | SpeedEvil | Cheap ARM board - http://www.armkits.com/product/mini2410_II.asp (same processor as neo) |
| 07:18.13 | ewon | shiny |
| 07:18.17 | Sup3rkiddo | that is cheap |
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| 07:26.09 | balrog-kun | is the power supply part of the kit? |
| 07:26.42 | SpeedEvil | wel - no |
| 07:27.44 | balrog-kun | mini2410_III seems to have a socket on the board for a watch battery, on the photo |
| 07:27.54 | balrog-kun | but it's probably for the clock only |
| 07:27.58 | SpeedEvil | that's clock only |
| 07:28.24 | balrog-kun | it would be cool if it was so tiny actually with the battery |
| 07:28.35 | SpeedEvil | No, that's certainly not able to power it. |
| 07:28.47 | SpeedEvil | http://www.tincantools.com/ have on even smaller |
| 07:29.05 | SpeedEvil | but li-po batteries of an appropriate size to fit it are dmall |
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| 08:15.57 | Psi_ | power management on the 3rd jan buildhost seems much improved :) |
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| 08:17.41 | SpeedEvil | In what way? |
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| 10:04.37 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 10:05.43 | CoreDump | morning |
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| 11:34.43 | CoreDump | is anyone else getting the "Not searching" popup spam? |
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| 12:02.25 | fgau_ | CoreDump: if i stop gsmd the spam is popup :) |
| 12:02.52 | CoreDump | hrmm |
| 12:03.04 | CoreDump | no inserted SIM = spam..mehh |
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| 12:19.07 | PBeck | hi |
| 12:19.11 | SpeedEvil | hi |
| 12:19.25 | ajbrun | hey ho |
| 12:19.43 | PBeck | hi SpeedEvil ajbrun |
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| 12:21.48 | theLichKing | SpeedEvil: shut up you dirty ape |
| 12:24.43 | toxx_ | hi! I'm playing around with my new neo. The media player works alot better if I make a "nice -10" for the pulseaudio process. Why isn't this the default? |
| 12:25.01 | toxx_ | is someone afraid the pulseaudio locks up everything? |
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| 12:27.54 | zedstar | anybody working on dbus gpsd stuff? will dbus become the standard way to get location info? |
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| 12:31.38 | CIA-15 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r31 10/trunk/software/py-proto/sample.py: wrong prototype fixed |
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| 12:34.24 | SpeedEvil | that was initially teh plan I think zedstar |
| 12:36.12 | zedstar | u looked at geoclue speedevil? |
| 12:36.47 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 12:37.21 | zedstar | http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/GeoClue |
| 12:37.40 | zedstar | seems kewl but maybe a bit OTT to begin with |
| 12:38.28 | SpeedEvil | probably. |
| 12:38.54 | SpeedEvil | Especially that we have a GPS - going through an abstraction layer to support other location services of less accuracy seems ... |
| 12:39.10 | SpeedEvil | (greater out of satellite coverage of course) |
| 12:40.33 | zedstar | yeh. i think a simple dbus interface would be useful for now and something that can be controlled from the matchbox control panel |
| 12:41.07 | SpeedEvil | there are some thoughts in category:GPS |
| 12:41.10 | guaqua | you can access gps coordinates through geoclue, so imo using it and at least getting the basics working would be a good goal |
| 12:41.38 | guaqua | off course you can go an reinvent the wheel, but who profits from it? |
| 12:41.40 | SpeedEvil | guaqua: yes - you can - but if it bloats the normal use-case is that really a good idea, given we have 64M of flash. |
| 12:42.15 | SpeedEvil | (I don't know how large geoclue libs would be) |
| 12:42.16 | guaqua | i'm guessing you don't need every backend geoclue has to offer in the image for it to work |
| 12:42.29 | guaqua | it's pretty simple as far as i know |
| 12:42.36 | SpeedEvil | My feelings on it depend on the bloat. |
| 12:42.48 | guaqua | someone with more experience should comment on this one, though |
| 12:42.53 | SpeedEvil | If it's a meg, then I'd say a custom simple one is probably the way to go |
| 12:43.12 | guaqua | i don't think it's that big |
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| 12:44.19 | zedstar | maybe without all the backends it could be ok |
| 12:48.06 | guaqua | git checkout of geoclue is 1.2M |
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| 12:49.46 | SpeedEvil | that's the compiled size? |
| 12:50.04 | guaqua | no, sources |
| 12:50.50 | guaqua | the git dirs seem to take most of that |
| 12:50.51 | guaqua | sorry |
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| 13:00.00 | kristian-m | moin |
| 13:01.38 | guaqua | SpeedEvil: 821K without the git crud. so the sources are about that much |
| 13:02.08 | guaqua | 217K from geoclue sources and the rest are the backends |
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| 13:08.17 | SpeedEvil | cc? |
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| 13:09.04 | robster | really, you want Gypsy not Geoclue for this. but Geoclue can use Gypsy. |
| 13:09.55 | robster | Gypsy is a dbus powered GPS daemon that interacts with the hardware and doesn't suck like gpsd ;-) |
| 13:18.28 | CIA-15 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r32 10/trunk/software/py-proto/ (pygsmd.py sample.py): switchoff implemented |
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| 13:22.41 | ronny | hi |
| 13:22.42 | ronny | oO |
| 13:27.08 | ajbrun | which dates are these? |
| 13:27.12 | ajbrun | spring still? |
| 13:27.24 | ronny | well - see topic |
| 13:27.39 | ajbrun | yep - no change then |
| 13:27.53 | ajbrun | i thought you knew something new |
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| 13:30.32 | ronny | i just got in and wanted to ask, the topic stopped me and got me beer |
| 13:31.59 | SpeedEvil | It has an integrated date palm-fuel cell. That runs off the palms sap. |
| 13:32.14 | SpeedEvil | There are portability issues. |
| 13:33.05 | ronny | all i care for is getting a good handy in time |
| 13:33.36 | ronny | and it looks like my current one will fail before the fic's are ready |
| 13:33.47 | CoreDump | s/handy/mobile |
| 13:34.23 | ronny | ops - eh right |
| 13:34.32 | CoreDump | ;) |
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| 13:47.41 | SpeedEvil | I would personally guess that there is a 50% chance of freerunner being available (buyable) in 4 months. |
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| 14:02.11 | ronny | what is the difference betwen GTA02 and FreeRunner |
| 14:03.13 | El_Salvador | gta02 is freerunner |
| 14:04.13 | ronny | k |
| 14:04.21 | ronny | then i was just confused by the topic |
| 14:04.26 | josch | according to some sources freerunner has 500MHz not 400MHz as gta02 in the wiki |
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| 14:07.20 | roh | josch thats easy to explain: |
| 14:07.56 | roh | the mcp4 (multichip-package variant of the 2440, named 2442mcpX) was not available |
| 14:08.20 | roh | the mcp3 we used in early development has 400mhz as the mcp4 but only half the flash |
| 14:08.24 | josch | so upgrade? |
| 14:09.14 | roh | so we soldered on mcp54 since these were avail. |
| 14:09.28 | roh | these can do 500mhz but that was not tested yet. |
| 14:10.03 | roh | also it takes loads more powe then and needs higher voltage (can be adjusted due to software) but thats not done yet. |
| 14:10.05 | josch | well after using my gta01 with 266MHz, 500MHz sounds huuuge!! enormous!!! like... just enough for gtk running less choppy ^^ |
| 14:11.10 | ronny | i have no idea why you guys didnt use the enlightenment libs - its faster and more lean |
| 14:11.20 | roh | so it will run on 400mhz for now with the option to 500mhz given you take the impact of less battery life aslong as it runs so fast. in the end some dynamic clock scaling via powermanagement would make sense.. |
| 14:11.49 | ronny | gtk is just slow and messy |
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| 14:11.54 | Tronic | ronny: It's C and not well tested (pretty much under development, I gather). |
| 14:12.04 | roh | i could think of 'do 100-400mhz depending on load, suspend when it makes sense, use 500mhz only when playing movies and 400mhz is too slow' |
| 14:12.06 | ronny | gtk is c, too |
| 14:12.15 | Tronic | GTK is C too, but at least there is gtkmm that wraps it nicely in C++. |
| 14:13.37 | ronny | hmm - i dislike gtkmm - i hate having to deal with 2 object models, and its not suitable for adoptable libs while gobject is |
| 14:13.46 | ronny | thus i prefer vala for gtk coding |
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| 15:03.10 | Marcel_M | sorry |
| 15:03.30 | Marcel_M | falsches keyboard ;) |
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| 15:19.50 | NineX | hmm |
| 15:20.53 | NineX | openmoko-terminal2 - wrong $HOME env :S HOME=/ sholud be HOME=/home/root |
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| 15:31.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1161 has been created by ninex(AT)o2.pl |
| 15:31.02 | cdbot2 | * * openmoko-terminal2 - wrong $HOME variable in env |
| 15:31.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1161 |
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| 15:36.35 | graingert_ | hi |
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| 15:37.57 | graingert | I have the qemu version of openmoko working, but I am having trouble setting up networking. |
| 15:38.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1162 has been created by ninex(AT)o2.pl |
| 15:38.02 | cdbot2 | * * New message event appear only with specific hardware/software configuration |
| 15:38.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1162 |
| 15:38.38 | NineX | :> |
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| 15:58.45 | mbuf | does "make qemu" complete for anyone? it stops at linux/usb_gadgetfs.h: No such file or directory |
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| 16:47.18 | Kero | mm, GPS only has a fix inside my house on the north; according to google those coordinates are on the other side of my house. 20m off, not too bad, given the steel and concrete. |
| 16:47.55 | Kero | good enough for the appliations I have in mind |
| 16:49.06 | SpeedEvil | google may not be correct |
| 16:49.18 | SpeedEvil | don't assume it is - unless you check it. |
| 16:49.31 | SpeedEvil | 6h averaging in a clear sky should get you under a meter. |
| 16:50.00 | Kero | earlier coords in the log match better on googles satelite map |
| 16:50.11 | Kero | how would I check the GPS? |
| 16:50.26 | Kero | (and how would I teach google to behave?) |
| 16:51.11 | gi-el | i know for a fact that roads on google maps often not align with the roads on the sat images |
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| 16:55.20 | Kero | and what about altitude ? |
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| 17:01.24 | Kero | gps says I'm at 62M, but I am at 22M... |
| 17:01.34 | SpeedEvil | that's typically much less accurate |
| 17:01.44 | Kero | (also, when I was in the train Fri, speed seemed to be off a factor of 2 |
| 17:01.58 | SpeedEvil | sure that wasn't a units problem? |
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| 17:03.18 | Kero | could be, iff $GPGGA from /tmp/nmea* is not in Metres despite saying 062.0,M |
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| 17:04.35 | SpeedEvil | I thought it was mph |
| 17:05.40 | Kero | erm. in knots? that's nuts. |
| 17:06.07 | mjr | it's Nautical MEA for a reason... |
| 17:06.25 | mjr | oops, sorry, N Marine EA |
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| 17:06.54 | SpeedEvil | you're looking for a speed from GPGGA? |
| 17:07.08 | Kero | ok, that's about a fctor of two. |
| 17:07.15 | Kero | that fixes the speed. |
| 17:07.23 | SpeedEvil | it doesn't have one |
| 17:07.35 | Kero | real question is whther speed is derived from the coordinates by the GPS |
| 17:07.53 | Kero | or is it compute independently, somehow? |
| 17:08.01 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 17:08.07 | SpeedEvil | it's a complex mix of the two |
| 17:08.14 | Kero | GPRC |
| 17:08.30 | SpeedEvil | RMC? |
| 17:08.35 | SpeedEvil | that's in knots |
| 17:08.37 | Kero | gprMc |
| 17:08.50 | SpeedEvil | http://aprs.gids.nl/nmea/ |
| 17:09.00 | Kero | yeah, got it from there. |
| 17:09.16 | Kero | Guess I should realize it's an American system. |
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| 17:10.58 | Stephmw | With all the baggage that entails |
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| 17:20.02 | bedboi | hi there |
| 17:20.19 | ajbrun | yo |
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| 21:34.11 | Panciz | I'm a new neo1973 user i seems to do not recognized my SIM card i got cme 13 error |
| 21:34.24 | Panciz | can someone gives me any hint |
| 21:38.23 | ahven | maybe you need the new firmware for the GSM? |
| 21:38.30 | ahven | check the mailinglists |
| 21:38.36 | ifeel | Panciz: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-January/012357.html |
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| 21:41.13 | Panciz | thanks |
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| 21:58.25 | aospan | Hello, everybody ! Where I can buy "Neo FreeRunner" ? This Ne1973 is slow and without wi-fi (this is more important) |
| 21:58.53 | hansmbakker | it's not for sale yet i believe |
| 21:59.07 | krLun | aospan, get in line :) we all want freerunner |
| 21:59.09 | ajbrun | spring |
| 21:59.40 | aospan | oh, no ... i want it :) I can pay more money for it :) |
| 22:00.07 | ajbrun | that doesn't change the fact that it's not available until spring... |
| 22:00.30 | mwester | And perhaps it might be spring in the *southern* hemisphere. |
| 22:00.44 | hansmbakker | aospan: become a core developer, then you'll get one earlier |
| 22:01.22 | aospan | good idea. I have strong skills in C/C++ development under linux user/kernel level ... :) |
| 22:02.19 | hansmbakker | unfortunately i don't even have a neo 1973 |
| 22:04.36 | aospan | I'm trying to become "a core developer" to get "Free runner" ... :) but this not reallistic, because I don't have more time to spent on developing/debugging ;( |
| 22:05.16 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunately, if you don't have the skills, gaining them in the time period, and demonsrating that is going to be tricky. |
| 22:05.34 | SpeedEvil | Also - it's actually quite likely that it's not going to be in that usable a state. |
| 22:06.39 | SpeedEvil | For example - shipping with known bugs is likely - as I understand it the shipping to selected developers will occur as soon as it's thought that there are no hardware bugs, and a short run is made. |
| 22:07.05 | SpeedEvil | this just requires the drivers to be adequate enough to check certain aspects of the hardware, not actually function well. |
| 22:08.42 | aospan | As I see there is some hardware bug in current GTA-01 (for example battery/power problems) ... it's no so dramatic bugs, but its exist |
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| 22:09.22 | aospan | So I hope something like this will be present in "free runner" hardware |
| 22:09.47 | aospan | it's no problem, even if phone hang every 15 minutes :) |
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| 22:12.59 | SpeedEvil | those aren't really hardware - but software bugs |
| 22:14.13 | aospan | ok, I don't investigate this problem closely, just read about it on some russian linux news site |
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| 22:37.07 | hachi | am I crazy or does the neo take the same battery as the nokia n810? |
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| 22:39.33 | SpeedEvil | sort-of |
| 22:39.39 | SpeedEvil | from memory |
| 22:39.45 | SpeedEvil | the neo won't charge the battery |
| 22:39.59 | SpeedEvil | and the nokia charger won't charge the neos. |
| 22:40.06 | SpeedEvil | (though very cheap clone chargers do) |
| 22:40.40 | hachi | weird |
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| 22:44.42 | balrog-kun | there are nokia batteries that can charge in the neo |
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| 22:49.20 | toxx_ | is there any fix for the 'incoming phone call/sms does not wake up the kernel' bug yet? |
| 22:56.29 | zash | what, there is such a bug? |
| 22:59.13 | SpeedEvil | It does actually |
| 22:59.25 | SpeedEvil | (wake) |
| 22:59.33 | SpeedEvil | at least it did a month or so ago |
| 22:59.42 | SpeedEvil | It diddn't function though |
| 23:00.11 | zash | a phone that won't wake up on incomming call is pretty useless |
| 23:01.11 | balrog-kun | that's why it's not used as a phone yet |
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| 23:07.08 | toxx_ | ok... are there any fixes yet? |
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| 23:09.46 | SpeedEvil | the serial driver needs fixed to re-init on resume |
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| 23:11.57 | toxx_ | and there is no workaround possible like a serial as a module and rmmod before suspend and insmod after? |
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