| 00:00.10 | thseiler | Robot101: How about conference calls and hold |
| 00:00.53 | Robot101 | I'm about to update those interfaces, but basically holding is pretty straightforward, you just toggle a boolean on the channel |
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| 00:02.11 | thseiler | Well the thing is , in GSM its not boolean... When you have two calls, and you put one on hold, you get the other. |
| 00:03.02 | thseiler | and un-holding two connection would merge them into a conference. |
| 00:03.02 | Robot101 | not quite |
| 00:03.10 | Robot101 | you have an active call, a held call, and a waiting call |
| 00:03.36 | thseiler | right and an at command to swictch them |
| 00:03.43 | Robot101 | ah, and a conference call |
| 00:04.12 | Robot101 | you can roll the active or held call into the conference, or split a participant back out ((maybe, although I've yet to see a handset that would let you :D) |
| 00:04.30 | Robot101 | if it's a 2 way conference i guess its not hard, but the menu gets clunky if you want to chuck one guy out :) |
| 00:04.46 | thseiler | :-) |
| 00:04.54 | Robot101 | the telepathy interface would look roughly like "merge that channel into this one", or "split this guy out into a new channel" |
| 00:05.25 | thseiler | so you start with channel #1 calling alice |
| 00:05.29 | thseiler | put her on hold |
| 00:05.41 | thseiler | call with channel #2 bob |
| 00:05.41 | Robot101 | we want to draft this so we can cover the call handling you could expect to do on a GSM phone, prototype it with tp-phony, hadess' backend which talks to handsets with bluetooth |
| 00:05.52 | thseiler | then merge both channels. |
| 00:06.13 | Robot101 | yeah, well the object path of either call is pretty arbitrary, so you pick one and merge the other into it |
| 00:06.19 | Robot101 | and you're left with one channel with alice and bob in |
| 00:06.34 | Robot101 | and I guess it's either held or not depending which the channel you started with is |
| 00:07.49 | thseiler | sounds simple to implement in the UI, and that is nice. |
| 00:07.54 | Robot101 | but this is the same kind of API you need to drive a CTI phone too |
| 00:08.20 | Robot101 | so if it hangs off a PBX and you have a conference button you can press or unpress to merge the held call with the active one, or unmerge them |
| 00:08.23 | Robot101 | it works there too |
| 00:08.51 | thseiler | ok, one last thing that comes into mind: USSD |
| 00:09.10 | thseiler | Unstructured Supplementary Service Data |
| 00:09.15 | Robot101 | ah, train is arriving, will need to get back in a bit |
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| 00:09.29 | thseiler | ok, was a nice talk, thanks a lot |
| 00:15.08 | Robot101 | ok, N810 :) |
| 00:18.21 | thseiler | hehe |
| 00:19.06 | thseiler | its used behind the scenes for things like enable voicebox, etc... |
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| 00:19.37 | thseiler | basically you call (usind ATD command) a number that looks like *1234...# |
| 00:19.45 | thseiler | But you get a text message back |
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| 00:20.02 | thseiler | that's the unstructured |
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| 00:21.20 | thseiler | its also used to query the amount of money left on your prepaid, cost of last call, date and time |
| 00:22.59 | Robot101 | right |
| 00:23.01 | thseiler | The complex thing is, that is has a session context, meaning that once you have dialed, you can send unstructured text messages back. |
| 00:23.28 | Robot101 | so we'd need to add API for it I guess |
| 00:23.40 | Robot101 | but thats not a problem |
| 00:23.54 | thseiler | question is of its possible to wrap it into a messageing session |
| 00:24.09 | Robot101 | you can add interfaces to the Connection, or new channel types, etc |
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| 00:24.31 | Robot101 | well, not whether its possible, but whether its desirable |
| 00:24.49 | thseiler | right, everithing is possible |
| 00:24.59 | Robot101 | if its giving you a menu and you're picking choices, it doesn't make sense to use a chat UI fori |
| 00:25.04 | Robot101 | *it |
| 00:25.22 | thseiler | its a rather complex beast |
| 00:25.38 | thseiler | you can have it the menu way, or you can have free form text answer |
| 00:26.11 | Robot101 | so I'd imagine we'd write gsm-specific extensions to allow a UI to do what it wanted |
| 00:26.42 | Robot101 | its ok to do that in telepathy, you're not restricted to just the stuff we thought about in the spec |
| 00:27.02 | Robot101 | you can extend anything with extra interfaces or new types |
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| 00:27.33 | *** topic/#openmoko by lalax -> A |
| 00:27.35 | thseiler | great, so i need to read the whole specs, i guess |
| 00:27.41 | Robot101 | and re-use all the handy code gen tools to make client/service code to speak your extensions too |
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| 00:28.10 | thseiler | now that is a *very* nice feature |
| 00:28.20 | Robot101 | :) |
| 00:28.52 | *** topic/#openmoko by Ganneff -> Happy new BEER! The OpenMoko Project - http://openmoko.org - Neo1973 GTA01 on sale at https://direct.openmoko.com | | Do not ask about GTA02 (Maybe March as of last update - yes, that's with WiFi, and no, there's no cam). Latest official update is at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
| 00:29.35 | LarstiQ | Ganneff \o/ |
| 00:29.58 | Ganneff | you want topicdiff.pl in irssi |
| 00:30.06 | LarstiQ | Ganneff: thanks |
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| 00:30.58 | *** topic/#openmoko by lalax -> openmoko is for losers. |
| 00:32.15 | *** topic/#openmoko by Ganneff -> Happy new BEER! The OpenMoko Project - http://openmoko.org - Neo1973 GTA01 on sale at https://direct.openmoko.com | Do not ask about GTA02 (Maybe March as of last update - yes, that's with WiFi, and no, there's no cam). Latest official update is at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
| 00:32.28 | Ganneff | i hate those idiotic kids |
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| 00:44.20 | magellan | was anyone on here earlier when albrite was having problems getting mokomakefile to compile u-boot-openmoko? I am having the same problem and think it my be systemic. |
| 00:44.26 | magellan | any help? |
| 00:45.24 | mickeyl | sounds like you need to rename uboot-openmoko_foo to u-boot-openmoko_foo until OM resyncs with OE |
| 00:45.52 | magellan | what is the source of this problem? |
| 00:46.43 | mickeyl | someone from OpenMoko build team pulled from OE without checking whether the particular HEAD revision actually builds |
| 00:46.57 | mickeyl | hence had the bad luck to sync with a non-building rev |
| 00:47.03 | mickeyl | some revs after that rev it was ok again |
| 00:47.10 | mickeyl | but they did not sync. again yet |
| 00:48.42 | magellan | will they realize their error and fix it in the near future or is this going to be a continuin problem, my first complete build went so nicely that Im kinda surprised about this |
| 00:48.55 | mickeyl | well |
| 00:49.08 | mickeyl | i will tell them |
| 00:49.23 | mickeyl | no guarantee it'll never happen again though :D |
| 00:49.23 | magellan | I don't expect you to know, I just want your thoughts on it |
| 00:49.39 | mickeyl | it should not happen |
| 00:49.57 | mickeyl | the whole idea of being some revs after HEAD is keeping a rev that builds |
| 00:50.10 | magellan | generally |
| 00:50.35 | mickeyl | yea |
| 00:50.53 | mickeyl | and only updating once a full rebuild run through successful |
| 00:50.58 | mickeyl | at least that's the idea |
| 00:51.27 | magellan | guess what Im wondering is should I try to fix this now or just wait until 9ish in the morning and retry then |
| 00:52.30 | mickeyl | i don't know how often the sync happens |
| 00:52.43 | mickeyl | might as well try org.oe.dev for once |
| 00:53.00 | magellan | once the sync happens, will I have to undo changes I make? |
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| 00:53.23 | thseiler | mickeyl: couldn't you add the syncscript to some automated buildhost as the last target ? |
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| 00:53.43 | thseiler | then it would only get executed when the build was successfull, or so goes the theory |
| 00:55.07 | mickeyl | it's the build team's call, but yes, i can suggest that |
| 00:55.37 | mickeyl | i dropped that responsibility *phew* :) |
| 00:56.54 | magellan | haha, you said to try org.oe.dev, what would I need to do |
| 00:56.54 | magellan | ? |
| 00:57.09 | mickeyl | mtn pull org.openembedded.dev |
| 00:57.16 | mickeyl | no idea offhand using mokomakefile |
| 00:57.19 | mickeyl | some make command |
| 00:57.23 | mickeyl | but i can't remember these targets |
| 00:57.29 | mickeyl | anyone ? |
| 00:57.47 | magellan | mokomakefile is make openmoko-devel-image |
| 00:58.04 | magellan | but would this be using openembedded instead |
| 00:58.07 | mickeyl | no |
| 00:58.15 | mickeyl | mokomakefile encodes every operation into a make target |
| 00:58.26 | mickeyl | you need to check the actual Makefile to see which target pulls from OE |
| 00:58.33 | mickeyl | or just call mtn manually :D |
| 01:01.28 | mickeyl | well, it's a fundamental disagreement whether to use make targets to enable people getting stuff done or to promote using the native commands so that people actually learn what they are doing |
| 01:01.40 | mickeyl | s/it's/there's/ |
| 01:01.56 | mickeyl | the jury is still out on that :) |
| 01:02.20 | magellan | guess it isn't possible to use a rev which isn't HEAD is it? |
| 01:02.35 | mickeyl | mtn checkout -rev <foo> |
| 01:02.55 | mickeyl | (no idea using the mokomakefile, sorry) |
| 01:04.42 | magellan | I've only been doing embedded development for about a month, can you give me the rundown of how you do your development for this and other things like it. Ive been watching this channel and you know what you are doing so I would always like more info on the process |
| 01:05.36 | mickeyl | depends on the layer you are actually working on |
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| 01:05.45 | Psi_ | so GTA02 is 500mhz? :) should help video playback nicely |
| 01:05.45 | mickeyl | i develop my applications using X |
| 01:05.59 | mickeyl | only if they run i cross-compile using OpenEmbedded |
| 01:06.00 | SpeedEvil | Psi_: yes. |
| 01:06.03 | Psi_ | :) |
| 01:06.04 | SpeedEvil | Psi_: the power of typos |
| 01:06.26 | mickeyl | you can do application development using a cross toolchain that's already made |
| 01:06.29 | mickeyl | no need to use OE for that |
| 01:06.36 | mickeyl | but if you are into distro customization |
| 01:06.37 | mickeyl | you better use OE |
| 01:06.45 | Psi_ | err, is it yes or a typo |
| 01:07.27 | thseiler | magellan: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain |
| 01:08.33 | thseiler | it works fine |
| 01:08.35 | magellan | I have made an application and it compiles with toolchain, I also needed to patch in the usbhost patch which now works too. so most everything Im working on now is doing ok, but yesterday I screwed up my moko build directory and now Im starting over |
| 01:09.08 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 01:09.12 | magellan | moko makefile says you can do development with that, is that common? seems a little hacked |
| 01:09.38 | mickeyl | mokomakefile comes from days where we did not have a toolchain |
| 01:09.47 | mickeyl | now 90% should not be using OE nor mokomakefile |
| 01:09.48 | magellan | ah |
| 01:10.01 | mickeyl | anyone knowing offhand what's the AT command to get the auth code retry counter? |
| 01:11.24 | magellan | Im going to be doing more development for this in the future, should I start migrating to OE? |
| 01:11.54 | mickeyl | like i said, if you are into actual distro customizing, i.e. removing packages, adding new ones, custom image types etc. |
| 01:11.56 | mickeyl | then yes |
| 01:12.05 | mickeyl | if you just want to build a recent image once and then |
| 01:12.07 | mickeyl | stay with mokomakefile |
| 01:12.26 | mickeyl | plus there are nightly builds nowadays IIRC |
| 01:12.53 | mickeyl | speaking about nightly |
| 01:12.55 | mickeyl | it's time for me |
| 01:12.57 | mickeyl | g'night |
| 01:13.09 | thseiler | good night |
| 01:16.45 | magellan | mickeyl: thanks for all the help! |
| 01:18.06 | morricone | I think someone should update the topic to spring |
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| 08:33.52 | RalphEichelberge | NOTE: package openmoko-terminal2-2.1.1+svnr3542-r2: task do_fetch: failed |
| 08:34.11 | RalphEichelberge | hello everyone and happy new year |
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| 08:34.46 | RalphEichelberge | I just wanted to build the very latest openmoko-devel-image |
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| 08:35.07 | RalphEichelberge | but openmoko-terminal... cant be found |
| 08:35.27 | RalphEichelberge | its just not there - can anyone help me out with this? |
| 08:36.41 | RalphEichelberge | I tried to find it manually on the downloads.openmoko.org/sources - is there a |
| 08:36.53 | RalphEichelberge | another way to get over this? |
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| 08:47.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1156 has been created by roman.moravcik(AT)gmail.com |
| 08:47.02 | cdbot2 | * * Battery plugin notification support |
| 08:47.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1156 |
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| 08:51.03 | RalphEichelberge | Well guys - i managed to find a mirror that could provide the missing package at http://mirror.hentges.net/SonkeiSourceMirror/sorted/o/openmoko-terminal2_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target.OM/openmoko-terminal2_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target.OM-2007.2.applications_3542_.tar.gz |
| 08:51.29 | RalphEichelberge | and moved it into my source directory |
| 08:51.58 | RalphEichelberge | so far it works for me :) |
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| 09:05.00 | shres | hey, since efl is being used for the interface does that mean evas now has a opengles backend? to use the graphics hardware? |
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| 09:13.02 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 09:13.24 | theHive | 'evening |
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| 09:20.09 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03john_lee * r3767 10/developers/john_lee/toolkit/scripts/script-env: cleanup |
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| 09:28.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1157 has been created by roman.moravcik(AT)gmail.com |
| 09:28.02 | cdbot2 | * * Dialer history should display call details. |
| 09:28.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1157 |
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| 09:35.10 | *** topic/#openmoko by lalo -> Happy new BEER! The OpenMoko Project - http://openmoko.org - Neo1973 GTA01 on sale at https://direct.openmoko.com | Do not ask about GTA02/FreeRunner (Maybe Spring as of last update - yes, that's with WiFi, and no, there's no cam). Latest official update is at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
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| 11:08.16 | CIA-15 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r28 10/trunk/software/py-proto/ (README config.py pygpsd.py pygsmd.py pyneod.py pypwrd.py): dbus sample added |
| 11:21.06 | mudyc | emdete: are you working on fso? |
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| 12:36.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1158 has been created by plr(AT)udgaard.com |
| 12:36.02 | cdbot2 | * * Charging stops even while connected |
| 12:36.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1158 |
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| 12:44.19 | kdean06 | Anyone here, awake, from the US and own a Neo unit? How long did order processing take for you? |
| 12:45.06 | magellan | Im awake...unfortunatly and from the US and not too long is the answer |
| 12:45.33 | magellan | it ships direct from FIC in California |
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| 12:46.07 | magellan | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.15 | kdean06 | Sorry about that... I've become exceptionally accurate with hitting CTRL+W when I don't mean to. |
| 12:47.14 | kdean06 | magellan, I mean processing, not shipping. I have a ton of faith in UPS, but my experiences with FIC seems a bit shakier. I ordered from direct.openmoko.com. How long was yours from "Confirm" button to shipping confirmation e-mail? |
| 12:48.02 | magellan | I paid for the faster shipping and I can't remember the number of days |
| 12:48.09 | magellan | but I shouldn't be too long |
| 12:48.15 | LarstiQ | 2 or 3 months? |
| 12:48.26 | CoreDump | hehe |
| 12:48.37 | magellan | I ordered mine over thanksgiving so and it took a week or two |
| 12:48.41 | kdean06 | Okay. :P I'm spoiled. :) I'm used to NewEgg speeds so I feel nervous when I don't have a tracking number in 18 hours. :) |
| 12:49.01 | kdean06 | I'm on day 3 |
| 12:49.25 | magellan | give it another 3 before you get worried |
| 12:49.37 | LarstiQ | pah, you youngsters |
| 12:50.46 | kdean06 | LarstiQ, I brew my own beer. I order my stuff from Texas and I'm just outside of DC - if THEY can ship to me in 3 days, I expect "First International Computer" from California can too. :P |
| 12:51.00 | magellan | kdean06: use this time to get familiar with flash and build process. maybe put qemu on your machine and play with the emulated device |
| 12:51.32 | kdean06 | It was using the QEMU images that made me feel comfortable placing my order ratehr than waiting for FreeRunner |
| 12:51.46 | LarstiQ | kdean06: well yes, back in my day my unit still had to be produced |
| 12:52.04 | magellan | did you buy the dev kit |
| 12:52.21 | kdean06 | Though I seemed to totally miss the "Incomplete uboot flashes will brick your Neo" - had I seen that I'd have spent $90 more for the debug board. :( |
| 12:52.32 | kdean06 | No, Base. |
| 12:53.02 | kdean06 | LarstiQ, Well, you KNEW yours was a pre-order. :) |
| 12:53.34 | LarstiQ | kdean06: true, true |
| 12:53.35 | kdean06 | Is it possible to buy a debug board seperately? |
| 12:54.17 | LarstiQ | kdean06: if it's any consolation, none of my uboot flashes ever went wrong |
| 12:54.25 | LarstiQ | just be careful what you flash |
| 12:54.51 | LarstiQ | kdean06: ie, make someone with a debug board confirm it works before you try ;) |
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| 12:55.51 | kdean06 | I've flashed BIOS on mobos before, AMI, Phoenix and OpenBIOS - I know they're both pretty high on the "brickability" scale and done right both can be completed by a moron. But me and Murphy seem to butt heads a bit. |
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| 12:57.47 | LarstiQ | kdean06: tough bugger he is |
| 12:58.07 | magellan | you may want to watch ebay for a debug board |
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| 13:00.32 | Femto | Hi all |
| 13:02.47 | Femto | May I have some help compiling the core OpenMoko for host-based dev? (as described here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Host-based_development_with_Xoo_and_Xephyr) ?? |
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| 13:04.04 | magellan | Femto: is this your first time messing with the neo |
| 13:04.48 | Femto | Yes ;) |
| 13:05.24 | magellan | Femto: I would suggest getting your feet wet with moko makefile and qemu |
| 13:06.38 | Femto | magellan: You mean using a pre-compiled image of OpenMoko for the target CPU ? |
| 13:07.27 | magellan | for the first time yes |
| 13:07.59 | magellan | compiling your own takes forever forever ever |
| 13:08.10 | Femto | Ok, I'll try, but it seems to be a simple compile error, and lib reference error... |
| 13:08.37 | magellan | I didn't realize that you were already in the thick of it |
| 13:09.13 | Femto | I'm sorry, but I don't understant your sentence. I'm not so fluent in english :( |
| 13:09.33 | Femto | I don't know what " in the thick of it" means |
| 13:11.37 | magellan | sorry I didn't realize you weren't a native speaker, "in the thick if it" means that you have already begun. I thought you were tryin to get help with just getting a emulated system working |
| 13:12.05 | magellan | I thought you were just starting out, not already started |
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| 13:12.18 | magellan | Femto: where are you and what is the native language? |
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| 13:12.46 | Femto | No, I've build libs, daemons, and I was stopped on the panel apps (I'm french) |
| 13:14.36 | magellan | Im sorry but I don't think I can help you any further since I don't have any knowledge of Xephyr |
| 13:15.10 | Femto | It's probably the use of PKG_CONFIG_PATH, which is working fine for the libs and neod, but seems to fail on building panel-gsm, etc... |
| 13:15.30 | kdean06 | Is there a "rule" for the Wiki to not "mention" non-free software. I ask because I see something stating that Moko SD cards can't be read on Windows due to the EXT2 filesystem but there ARE EXT2 drivers for Windows. |
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| 13:16.23 | hrw | kdean06: you can format microsd card to vfat format |
| 13:16.32 | hrw | so ms windows will read it without problems |
| 13:16.35 | Femto | magellan: it's not yet specific Xoo nor Xephyr... but thanks for your help |
| 13:17.49 | kdean06 | hrw, Yes, but the instructions on the Wiki suggest formatting to EXT for ipkg installation to SD and it cautions that this breaks Windows usability. This would be wrong twice - once since Windows CAN read them and twice because I assume that it CAN handle a vfat SD card (since Linux can mount it)... |
| 13:19.18 | hrw | kdean06: you can also split card to few partitions |
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| 13:25.49 | N-Mi | gneuh ? |
| 13:25.59 | N-Mi | oops |
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| 13:40.38 | CVirus | more spam on the list ? |
| 13:40.56 | CIA-15 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r29 10/trunk/software/py-proto/ (pygsmd.py sample.py): some docs added |
| 13:42.01 | XorA | windows can read/write ext2 fine |
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| 14:17.49 | Femto | Hi... How can I report some problems generating libipkg and pkg-config compliance ? Is bugzilla adapted for this kind of problems ? |
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| 14:20.58 | balrog-kun | Femto: is the problem openmoko specific? |
| 14:21.13 | balrog-kun | or can it be fixed in OE for example |
| 14:23.15 | Femto | balrog-kun: I don't know exactly... I'm not very fluent in autoconf/automake, but it seems ipkg need to have a pkgconfig_DATA= line in the Makefile.am |
| 14:23.34 | balrog-kun | if you're not sure just file it in openmoko bugzilla, it handles all kind of software and hardware problem reports |
| 14:23.39 | Femto | and I don't know if it's OE or OM specific |
| 14:24.19 | balrog-kun | and a number of OE people look in OM bugzilla too |
| 14:24.57 | Femto | Ok... I'll try to file it. Thx |
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| 14:31.55 | Guest951 | hi guys |
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| 14:52.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1159 has been created by fr-om(AT)tourde.org |
| 14:52.01 | cdbot2 | * * Build of libipkg doesn't install libipkg.pc into pkgconfig |
| 14:52.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1159 |
| 14:52.43 | Femto | Yeah ! That's a good bot :) ... Nice job guys. |
| 14:54.20 | wurp2 | Is there some central site or wiki for QTopia on the neo? I installed per the page on wiki.openmoko.org, but I can't find a list of suitable servers for installing more apps |
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| 14:59.43 | wurp2 | Is there some central site or wiki for QTopia on the neo? I installed per the page on wiki.openmoko.org, but I can't find a list of suitable servers for installing more apps |
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| 15:04.44 | starox | \o/ I ordered my neo |
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| 15:07.00 | tonyg | starox, they're taking orders? how nice, I'll check that out |
| 15:07.16 | starox | for gta01... |
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| 15:07.33 | tonyg | ok |
| 15:07.37 | tonyg | but there's new stock in? |
| 15:08.54 | starox | tonyg: I believe there was always stock (for the black model at least). |
| 15:09.00 | tonyg | oh, right |
| 15:09.01 | tonyg | cool |
| 15:10.42 | bmk789 | is OM's default kernel configuration somewhere in mokomakefile's downloaded files? |
| 15:13.33 | kdean06 | starox, I ordered mine 3 days ago, so congrats on yours! |
| 15:14.52 | starox | bmk789: openembedded/packages/linux/linux-openmoko |
| 15:14.57 | bmk789 | thanks |
| 15:15.38 | starox | kdean06: I abandonned my palm ! Not enough memory for openmoko |
| 15:16.12 | tonyg | *bug 1105 |
| 15:16.16 | tonyg | hm |
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| 15:16.35 | tonyg | Is there anyone in particular who might be interested in taking a look at bug 1105, do you think? |
| 15:16.57 | starox | bmk789: there is also : openembedded/org.openembedded.dev/packages/linux/linux-openmoko |
| 15:17.01 | tonyg | With luck, it's a smallish change - and it could improve power draw significantly.. |
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| 15:21.07 | roh | tonyg what do you suggest? |
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| 15:22.22 | tonyg | roh, :) wellll... I did get into the kernel a little, but it'd take me a while to figure out exactly what to do |
| 15:22.42 | tonyg | I'd like to discuss it with one of the kernel devs, I guess |
| 15:23.09 | tonyg | actually, while I think of it, which mailing list is most appropriate for such infrastructure development discussion? |
| 15:23.30 | tonyg | openmoko-kernel I guess |
| 15:24.54 | starox | dunno, but I remember someone telling it won't spare too much according to this page : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management |
| 15:25.41 | SpeedEvil | !bug 1105 |
| 15:25.51 | SpeedEvil | whjat's the bug? |
| 15:26.55 | starox | SpeedEvil: LCD didn't switch off completely |
| 15:28.25 | starox | SpeedEvil: It's rather short :) When the screen is off, backlight is not totally off and lcd isn't clear |
| 15:28.34 | SpeedEvil | ah - that |
| 15:28.39 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 15:28.56 | SpeedEvil | do you want to add that to the power managment table? |
| 15:30.32 | SpeedEvil | It's probably not insignificant. |
| 15:30.48 | SpeedEvil | it's 60Hz*3*640*480 memory bandwidth |
| 15:31.25 | SpeedEvil | and the LCD driver power, CPU power in driving the RAM, ... |
| 15:31.55 | tonyg | I'd experiment with fixing it myself, only the kernel terrifies me |
| 15:31.57 | tonyg | ;) |
| 15:32.18 | starox | SpeedEvil: is it pmu off ? |
| 15:32.18 | rtp | tonyg: imho it's a bug in the backlight driver. should not be too hard to fix |
| 15:32.30 | SpeedEvil | starox: I don't know |
| 15:32.49 | tonyg | rtp, by something maybe like straightforwardly clearing some "lcd refresh" power pin? |
| 15:33.05 | tonyg | or is there some sophisticated dialog involving clocks and plls and things? :/ |
| 15:33.14 | SpeedEvil | No - you need to turn the display controller off too ideally |
| 15:33.15 | tonyg | I'm unsure of the interdependencies |
| 15:33.28 | SpeedEvil | otherwise you only save the LCD panel driver bit of the power |
| 15:33.34 | SpeedEvil | which is likely to be the smallest |
| 15:33.43 | SpeedEvil | the biggest is probably the CPU/RAM |
| 15:34.36 | rtp | tonyg: well, I don't know. I don't remember how things are setup on the neo |
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| 15:36.47 | RedDog | where in openmoko-messages2 is the button to read a message? |
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| 15:39.23 | magellan | Has anyone been able to do a full image build in the past 48 hours? Im pretty sure things are screwed up on the mtn server. |
| 15:39.25 | starox | tonyg: I found something else on the wiki : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 has links to lcd and backlight kernel patch |
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| 15:41.06 | tonyg | cool |
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| 15:52.05 | rtp | tonyg: a having a look at the suspend hook of the jbt driver may be a good start. For instance, I don't see any call to jbt6k74_display_onoff |
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| 16:27.14 | toxx | Hi! Is there a small file somewhere on the neo's filesystem which gives me the build-nubmer/revision of the installed openmoko os? |
| 16:29.24 | Dodji | toxx, /etc/versio |
| 16:29.28 | Dodji | toxx, /etc/version even |
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| 16:31.07 | toxx | Dodji: thanks! |
| 16:31.29 | Dodji | np |
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| 16:34.12 | toxx | i just received my 2nd-hand neo1973 and I'm now trying to get that thing working. Is it normal to have log messages of this form in /var/log/message: ? |
| 16:34.22 | toxx | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.40 | toxx | I'm trying to read out/backup the original flash files, as described in the wiki. |
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| 16:35.23 | toxx | also, the process seems to be rather slow, about 20kB/s for /dev/mtblock4 |
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| 16:40.36 | balrog-kun | toxx: yes, normal to get jffs2 errors |
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| 16:44.14 | toxx | balrog-kun: what is it? are these real i/o errors or is this only a non up-to-date driver causing these? |
| 16:45.02 | toxx | .. it just makes me a tad nervous |
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| 16:47.07 | wurp2 | I apologize for repeating myself, but I have to ask again - can anyone refer me to a good source of information about QTopia on the neo? I have installed it, but I dunno where to find package lists, defect reports, and general wiki-type content |
| 16:48.10 | SpeedEvil | Does anyone ahve an idea what on an imager - 'COB (no backgrinding)' may mean |
| 16:48.13 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 16:48.37 | toxx | also, I'd like to know whether it is normal that I get i/o errors on a lot of files while reading out /dev/mtdblock4? For example, /etc/version gives me "cat: /etc/version: Input/output error" |
| 16:53.48 | mwester | wurp2: www.qtopia.com? Check on #qtopia as well. |
| 16:55.11 | mmontour | toxx: if you're getting i/o errors on regular filesystem access then you should probably reboot. |
| 16:55.40 | wurp2 | mwester: I've been cruising around www.qtopia.com and not finding anything neo specific except forum comments, so far |
| 16:55.54 | wurp2 | but I'll try #qtopia - I wasn't aware itw as there |
| 16:56.07 | wurp2 | s/itw as/it was/ |
| 16:57.25 | mmontour | Also, you probably don't need to back up the old flash partitions. You can just install a new kernel/rootfs/etc. |
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| 17:14.30 | wurp2 | mwester: for posterity, it's www.qtopia.net |
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| 17:15.57 | mwester | wurp2: Oops! |
| 17:36.00 | Tetraden | hello |
| 17:36.26 | tonyg | hi |
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| 17:37.20 | Tetraden | somewhere in the internet was a webspace with the soundeffects, which where supposed to be in the openmoko dist. but i can't find it anymore. do anyone still know the place? :/ |
| 17:37.56 | SpeedEvil | mokomakefile |
| 17:38.00 | SpeedEvil | knows |
| 17:38.06 | tonyg | http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/sounds/ |
| 17:38.16 | tonyg | ? |
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| 17:45.43 | Tetraden | ah, thank you, this was, what i looked for. :D |
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| 18:12.59 | holymoly | hey guys |
| 18:13.05 | holymoly | is the consumer version of moko available yet? |
| 18:14.00 | mjr | so no |
| 18:14.01 | mjr | t |
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| 18:15.00 | holymoly | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS2393777675.html |
| 18:15.08 | holymoly | thats pretty frickin cool tho |
| 18:15.20 | toxx | hi again. I updated my moko now successfully to OpenMoko-openmoko-image-glibc-ipk-Snapshot-20071201-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 and so far there are no jffs2 problems. As I want to test the GSM functionality first (of course), i'm trying to enter my pin, but the menu simple comes up a second time, without any information to whether the pin is correct or not |
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| 18:20.35 | Vegar | "Display -- 4.3-inch diagonal WQVGA Color TFT LCD (480x272)" |
| 18:20.40 | Vegar | was the display downgraded? |
| 18:23.36 | SpeedEvil | It'm pretty sure that's basically wrong |
| 18:23.48 | SpeedEvil | 500Mhz is certainly wrong |
| 18:24.09 | maito | hello |
| 18:24.33 | SpeedEvil | (the screen size) |
| 18:24.44 | balrog-kun | 500MHz is the specified limit for the CPU |
| 18:25.01 | balrog-kun | it's not yet decided whether it will run at 400MHz or 500MHz |
| 18:25.46 | SpeedEvil | I thought micke y had said that 500 was a typo |
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| 18:29.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | Where does it say how much the final revision of the Neo1973 will cost? |
| 18:29.43 | balrog-kun | well, he said that but i think it made a couple of people in the team ponder 500MHz |
| 18:29.49 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: I thought mickey said "don't think about that" |
| 18:30.08 | wurp2 | which is not quite the same thing |
| 18:31.36 | mjr | Dark_Apostrophe, around; $450 is the quoted value |
| 18:31.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, thanks |
| 18:32.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | BTW, I've read quite a bit of economics - value != price :p |
| 18:32.40 | maito | btw, is the blue print somewhere? |
| 18:32.48 | mjr | maito, no |
| 18:32.48 | RedDog | "Requested 'vte >= 0.16.9' but version of vte is 0.16.8" i had done make update-bleeding-edge, where is 0.16.9? |
| 18:33.06 | mjr | Dark_Apostrophe, yeaaah, actually it caught my eye too right after I pressed enter :] |
| 18:33.09 | maito | why not? |
| 18:33.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | mjr: Ok :) |
| 18:33.36 | maito | just wondering how hard it would be to change the gsm module |
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| 18:34.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | mjr: I'm afraid that's a tad too expensive for me... I'll go with a Sony Ericsson instead.. :( |
| 18:34.28 | wurp2 | Dark_Apostrophe: Do you do business projects on the phone? |
| 18:34.32 | magellan | encryption.... anyone? anyone at all? |
| 18:34.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | wurp2: No |
| 18:34.39 | wurp2 | Mine is a business expense, which for me knocks off almost 1/3 of the price |
| 18:34.54 | theshadow | So the people who read this article http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates via digg have a lot of questions about whats happening with the Neo1973 and their frustration with all the delays with Android sitting on the horizon. |
| 18:34.55 | mmontour | RedDog: set PREFERRED_VERSION_vte ?= "0.16.9" in build/conf/local.conf |
| 18:34.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | wurp2: I'm just a nerd, I use Linux in my daily life... |
| 18:34.59 | theshadow | You guys may kick me out of the channel but I think it might be wise to issue some sort of press release to answer those questions. |
| 18:35.03 | wurp2 | Me too |
| 18:35.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | Tinkering with a phone sounds quite cool... |
| 18:35.35 | RedDog | mmontour: there is no vte_0.16.8.bb ... |
| 18:35.38 | wurp2 | Dark_Apostrophe: But I don't restrict myself to doing projects that can't make money |
| 18:35.40 | RedDog | sry .9 ... |
| 18:35.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | Being able to SSH into something that's sitting in your pocket :p |
| 18:35.50 | theshadow | err http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS2393777675.html that article |
| 18:35.52 | theshadow | sorry |
| 18:36.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | wurp2: Well, ATM, I can't afford anything too expensive |
| 18:36.10 | wurp2 | understood |
| 18:36.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | wurp2: Saving up to get a car and driver's license, then to move out... |
| 18:36.12 | maito | save up, the freerunner is not released yet |
| 18:36.31 | SpeedEvil | maito: basically impossible to change |
| 18:36.37 | SpeedEvil | maito: it's integrated |
| 18:36.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | wurp2: But still...something about being able to SSH into something that's sitting in your pocket is awesome :p |
| 18:37.13 | maito | SpeedEvil: how about adding a 3G capable module and disabling the gsm module? |
| 18:37.13 | holymoly | or FROM something thats sitting in your packet |
| 18:37.14 | holymoly | indeed |
| 18:37.42 | SpeedEvil | maito: no need to disable the existing one - just don't use it. |
| 18:37.52 | SpeedEvil | maito: it's simply an AT modem connected over serial |
| 18:38.42 | wurp2 | Dark_Apostrophe: I dunno if it makes a difference for you, but the gta01 is $300 |
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| 18:39.07 | wurp2 | Dark_Apostrophe: And you can network with it through bluetooth, of course that's only good where you have the host bluetooth machine set up properly |
| 18:39.30 | maito | SpeedEvil: yes :) 3G is just superior over GPRS when it comes to lag so I would very much like a 3G module :) (edge has 700ms ping, 3g has as low as 150ms) |
| 18:39.34 | magellan | I would wait for the next one |
| 18:39.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | wurp2: I don't want beta-level hardware :p |
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| 18:40.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | wurp2: And besides, I just placed an order on a Sony Ericsson a few minutes ago :( |
| 18:40.08 | SpeedEvil | maito: you can make a one-off PCB ro do it. But it'd cost. |
| 18:40.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | wurp2: As for networking, I meant WiFi :p |
| 18:40.19 | wurp2 | the only downside I see to the HW (other than the missing wireless & slower processor) is power management |
| 18:40.30 | wurp2 | and I think that is mostly software, not HW |
| 18:40.42 | magellan | power management is a real concern of mine |
| 18:40.46 | wurp2 | Dark_Apostrophe: all understandable :-) |
| 18:41.04 | wurp2 | Yeah, I'm lucky I sit at a computer all day |
| 18:41.25 | mmontour | RedDog: the PREFERRED_VERSION thing worked for me a few days ago. |
| 18:41.45 | RedDog | mtn didn't the update to oe rev... forced with -r 3ee21fd3d6d6a0cddf83ef3711c24b4d6d7d7451 |
| 18:42.20 | maito | SpeedEvil: Im currently using a nearly 900usd phone, I believe the developer set + 3g module wont even be that much? |
| 18:42.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | wurp2: The Neo1973 also lacks camera...that's a major downside, in my eyes.. |
| 18:43.00 | SpeedEvil | maito: $20-50K |
| 18:43.18 | SpeedEvil | maito: basically it's most of the work of a custom design. |
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| 18:43.36 | SpeedEvil | (assuming you can't do the design and fabrication yourself) |
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| 18:43.54 | maito | SpeedEvil: right. was more thinking of doing a fun hack myself.. |
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| 18:44.33 | mjr | semi-feasible, certainly not practical |
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| 18:45.41 | SpeedEvil | To do it improperly, you can make a replacement back with the 3G module in |
| 18:45.41 | wurp2 | Dark_Apostrophe: Yeah, but for a camera, I was just gonna bluetooth something in |
| 18:45.53 | SpeedEvil | there are no cheap bluetooth cams. |
| 18:45.54 | wurp2 | Dark_Apostrophe: and I'm hoping they'll release a usb add-on :-) |
| 18:46.07 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: :-( |
| 18:46.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hrm, that would be too impractical - the Neo1973 already looks big enough that if you were to hit a person in a head with it, that person might die :p |
| 18:46.31 | wurp2 | I'm always amused at how OM pitches the lack of a camera as a feature |
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| 18:46.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | wurp2: OM? |
| 18:46.53 | wurp2 | I'm not hung up on having one, but the lack of one is certainly not a feature for most people |
| 18:46.56 | wurp2 | openmoko |
| 18:47.00 | wurp2 | FIC, I guess |
| 18:47.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oh, right, of course. |
| 18:47.13 | maito | SpeedEvil: yeap :) thanks for the info, will look back into it sometimes around when freerunner ships |
| 18:47.17 | wurp2 | Dark_Apostrophe: I don't think it's impractical if you don't use it all the time |
| 18:47.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's a feature nobody wants! :p |
| 18:47.21 | wurp2 | and I don't |
| 18:47.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | No, but I don't wanna carry around a big brick in my pocket :p |
| 18:48.10 | wurp2 | Oh yeah, I think neo is too big for pocket |
| 18:48.20 | wurp2 | Right now I use that damned dangly bag thing |
| 18:48.26 | wurp2 | anxiously awaiting a belt clip |
| 18:48.40 | wurp2 | or waistband clip, since I don't wear a belt |
| 18:49.11 | wurp2 | Still, overall, gps is very useful for me, and neo's gps is quite usable with navit |
| 18:49.31 | wurp2 | and being able to get a shell on my phone & program on the pot is very handy ;-) |
| 18:49.40 | wurp2 | and I can stop carrying around a media player |
| 18:49.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | One thing I *hate* about just about every phone out there is the keyboards |
| 18:49.55 | wurp2 | and I can futz around with biz projects using gps & sms |
| 18:50.03 | wurp2 | and I can let the kids watch videos on it |
| 18:50.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Those small, annoying numeric keyboards are useless for SMS... takes like two minutes to write a short message.. :( |
| 18:50.32 | wurp2 | The Blackberry keyboard is actually quite usable IMO |
| 18:50.45 | wurp2 | I used it with two thumbs, and it almost always just did what I wanted |
| 18:50.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | The blackberries, from what I've seen, are gigantic |
| 18:51.02 | wurp2 | unfortunately, it was a closed & feature light phone |
| 18:51.03 | wurp2 | sure |
| 18:51.13 | wurp2 | any phone with any kind of user input ability is gonna have to be |
| 18:51.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | I think Nokia's N73 has a nice twist on it |
| 18:51.45 | wurp2 | Wear a clip instead of trying to put it in your pocket |
| 18:51.57 | wurp2 | Is that the one where you clamshell it or otherwise unfold it? |
| 18:52.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | No wait |
| 18:52.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | Nokia E70 |
| 18:52.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | This one ---> http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone |
| 18:52.46 | wurp2 | My firewall says: |
| 18:52.55 | wurp2 | The category "Tasteless" is blocked |
| 18:53.08 | wurp2 | ;-) |
| 18:53.39 | wurp2 | Southwest airlines doesn't like your site |
| 18:53.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | haha |
| 18:53.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Maddox's website |
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| 18:54.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | Apparently, Maddox isn't popular with airlines :P |
| 18:54.37 | wurp2 | they have a fairly restrictive firewall |
| 18:54.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | use a proxy, like anonymouse.ws :p |
| 18:54.42 | wurp2 | I'm not supposed to be here |
| 18:54.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | Piggybacking? :P |
| 18:54.53 | wurp2 | That seems a bit too obvious |
| 18:55.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://tor.eff.org <--- :p |
| 18:55.11 | wurp2 | ssh using http proxy via corkscrew to my ssh running on port 443 |
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| 19:08.54 | bipolar | What carriers are you guys using in the USA? I need to replace my nextel. Is it pretty much all AT&T? |
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| 19:12.05 | wurp2 | I think it's all AT&T |
| 19:12.35 | wurp2 | and then you still almost certainly need to get the gsm modem update so the neo can read your SIm |
| 19:12.39 | wurp2 | s/SIm/SIM/ |
| 19:13.27 | kinneh | apt: shh |
| 19:13.27 | apt | QUIET! |
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| 19:15.46 | I-MOD | sup CVirus |
| 19:16.49 | bipolar | wurp2: a gsm modem update? what does that involve? Firmware update? |
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| 19:32.48 | wurp2 | bipolar: Yep, the firmware update. You mail your neo off to Michael Shiloh. |
| 19:33.50 | wurp2 | bipolar: There's a page, I think it's called Carriers, on wiki.openmoko.org that tells you which SIMs are supported and which not |
| 19:34.04 | Robot101 | thseiler: hey |
| 19:34.12 | wurp2 | but in my experience, none of the AT&T SIMs I've seen are supported. |
| 19:34.16 | thseiler | hello Robot101 |
| 19:34.16 | ljp | or wait till they get TI to sign papers |
| 19:34.25 | wurp2 | yeah, that too |
| 19:34.53 | wurp2 | I kind of thought that if that was imminent, though, that MShiloh would have hinted at it when I talked to him about mailing him my neo |
| 19:35.07 | Robot101 | thseiler: in GSM call divert, are the states (like All, If busy, If not answered, If out of reach, If not available) built in to the protocol? |
| 19:35.16 | Robot101 | thseiler: or are they variable per network or something? |
| 19:35.39 | Robot101 | we're just wondering how/if to update the telepathy forwarding spec to be useful with GSM |
| 19:36.00 | thseiler | great news! |
| 19:36.18 | kinneh | anybody got problem with bluetooth on resent images (like 2 weeks from now and one that built with mokomakefile 1 hr ago) ? |
| 19:36.39 | wurp2 | Robot101 telepathy forwarding spec? |
| 19:36.45 | Robot101 | uh, so, do you know? or where can I find out? |
| 19:36.52 | Robot101 | forwarding interface, rather |
| 19:36.54 | thseiler | Robot101: the forwarding is handled entirely by the network, so the phone does not need to take any action to divert an incomming call. |
| 19:36.58 | kinneh | uptil, now I mean |
| 19:37.25 | mjr | osm2navit segfaults for me, grr |
| 19:37.31 | Robot101 | thseiler: right, but if the connection represents your connection to the network, the forwarding interface on the connection will instruct the network |
| 19:37.34 | thseiler | Robot101: However it needs to tell the network how to react, and it does so by USSD messages *21*.... |
| 19:37.52 | mjr | (navit as from the repos) |
| 19:38.33 | wurp2 | kinneh: I used an image from within the last 2 weeks, and I couldn't get bluetooth to work with my windows machine, but I assumed it was stupidity in my windows laptop. |
| 19:38.40 | mjr | Apparently it wants too much memory. Ah well. |
| 19:38.47 | wurp2 | Still waiting for a bluetooth dongle in th email to test on my (linux) desktop |
| 19:39.01 | wurp2 | mjr: navit works fine on my neo... |
| 19:39.04 | mjr | bad software though for reporting said error condition via a segfault... |
| 19:39.30 | wurp2 | mjr: Well, I should say that the basics work fine. Many menu options segfault |
| 19:39.31 | mjr | wurp2, I at least started it up fine too. Just that I want to convert a piece of map for it so it'd be more useful... |
| 19:39.35 | Robot101 | thseiler: are the conditions the same on any GSM network? or can they differ? |
| 19:39.40 | wurp2 | mjr: Oh :-) |
| 19:39.56 | Robot101 | thseiler: I see on my nokia phones they have the same list of conditions, is this a standard, or a convention, or what? |
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| 19:40.10 | mjr | probably will have to compile navit for my desktop. Oh bother :) |
| 19:40.20 | Robot101 | and some networks could just go "eh?" if I try and set certain conditions? |
| 19:40.46 | thseiler | Robot101: the exact numbers and their meaning are part of a GSM standard, but i don't recall the exact number at the moment. That means, all the phones use the same numbers |
| 19:41.01 | Robot101 | http://www.theunwired.net/?item=how-to-diverting-voice-calls-by-using-ussd-codes |
| 19:41.04 | RedDog | what's better: qte-mt-static, qte, qte-mt? |
| 19:41.06 | Robot101 | this seems relevant, but incomplete |
| 19:41.19 | wurp2 | mjr: I have it on my desktop. I fyou wanted to send me a zip of the osms, I could convert to navit for you |
| 19:41.25 | wurp2 | but it would be tonight |
| 19:41.36 | wurp2 | uh, which for me means in about 6 hours |
| 19:41.47 | Robot101 | hmm, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_forwarding is better |
| 19:41.55 | mjr | nah, thanks, but I'll get around to it... |
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| 19:42.48 | thseiler | Robot101: Usually, the UI of the mobile phone has some menu to set / query the call diverting status from the network. |
| 19:43.08 | SpeedEvil | there are GSM commands |
| 19:43.19 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 19:43.25 | Robot101 | I guess I'm just wondering if it's worth having a dictionary in telepathy of conditions, mapped to the number (and optionally, delay) |
| 19:43.27 | SpeedEvil | you usually need to pay for it in many markets |
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| 19:43.41 | SpeedEvil | or at least pay per-call |
| 19:43.59 | thseiler | You usually need to pay for a USSD session, thats right |
| 19:44.32 | thseiler | so it will cost a small few if you check the the current status of call forwarding. |
| 19:44.53 | CVirus | I-MOD: hi ? |
| 19:45.14 | thseiler | There is also the possibility to run a USSD session trough the Fast Signaling Channel during a voice call. |
| 19:45.45 | SpeedEvil | ussd? |
| 19:45.52 | thseiler | This is often done on some modern phones nowadays: You call someone, and the phone displays something along the line of "call forwarding is in effect" |
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| 19:46.23 | thseiler | USSD - Unstructured Supplementary Service Data |
| 19:46.31 | thseiler | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unstructured_Supplementary_Service_Data |
| 19:46.55 | thseiler | as a reminder that the other person might not be able to call you back, should you not be able to reach her. |
| 19:47.20 | thseiler | not all networks support all kind of forwarding |
| 19:48.03 | thseiler | but service 21 (unconditional forwarding) is supported by all as far as i know |
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| 19:49.39 | Robot101 | hmm |
| 19:49.51 | thseiler | Most networks have some sort of voice box option, that is handled independently of the service 21 setting. |
| 19:50.07 | Robot101 | don't you do it by setting a forward to your voice mailbox number? |
| 19:50.25 | thseiler | That is how its done is some networks. |
| 19:50.52 | thseiler | Other handle it independently. |
| 19:50.58 | Robot101 | gaargh, too much crack |
| 19:51.15 | Robot101 | telephony is hard, let's go shopping |
| 19:51.29 | guaqua | legacy stuff :) |
| 19:51.29 | thseiler | I think the problem was that some people paid for a voice box service, but didn't manage to set up their phone correctly, so its done on them automatically. |
| 19:51.44 | thseiler | i know. |
| 19:52.46 | Robot101 | so ignoring voicemail, a reasonable API might be to define an enum for forward types |
| 19:52.48 | thseiler | I propose we start a page on the wiki and assemble information about different operator's voiceboxen work. |
| 19:52.53 | Robot101 | er, forward conditions |
| 19:53.23 | Robot101 | which would be { All, Busy, NotAnswered, OutOfReach, Unavailable } |
| 19:53.32 | thseiler | yes, all ETSI codes |
| 19:53.37 | Robot101 | then have a GetForward (condition) -> number, delay |
| 19:53.45 | Robot101 | and SetForward (condition, number, delay) |
| 19:53.49 | Robot101 | RemoveForward (condition) |
| 19:53.57 | thseiler | seems reasonable to me |
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| 19:55.28 | thseiler | we can still implement some intelligent probing later on to find the set of forwarding services that are supported by the particular network and map them to the ETSI codes. |
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| 19:56.00 | thseiler | a similar thing exists also for DATA call forwarding and FAX call forwarding, but these can be handled by the same interface but on a different channel i guess... |
| 19:58.18 | Robot101 | thseiler: do you know the difference between all calls (*21*) and all forwards (*002*)? |
| 19:58.19 | Robot101 | ohh, all forwards is only useful for cancelling |
| 19:58.23 | thseiler | yepp |
| 20:00.46 | Robot101 | ok, so we should be able to sort that |
| 20:00.52 | Robot101 | does gsm have a way to transfer calls? |
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| 20:02.37 | thseiler | I don't know, sorry |
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| 20:05.05 | thseiler | but as GSM is usually build upon GSM, i think there must be a standard somewhere defining how. |
| 20:05.24 | thseiler | the really interesting question however is: does any operator implement his and does any user need this ? |
| 20:06.17 | Robot101 | transferring is, admittedly, pretty low priority |
| 20:06.25 | Robot101 | it seems to be how you'd set up a conference in sip land though |
| 20:06.30 | zilux | mjr, wurp2: I previously met two crashes using Navit (pre 0.03) |
| 20:06.32 | thseiler | Just so I don't forget to mention it: on most networks, the USSD code 31 can be used to hide one CallerID to the other party. that one is much more interesting :-) |
| 20:06.33 | Robot101 | you have a conference URI and you transfer the person to it |
| 20:06.49 | zilux | one due to the LANG var not set |
| 20:06.50 | Robot101 | in GSM conferences you do merging/unmerging of calls |
| 20:07.19 | zilux | (item Destination), this one was easy to reproduce on the desktop |
| 20:07.32 | CoreDump | navit is barely useable on the neo |
| 20:07.42 | zilux | the second crash was using (huge) proprieraty maps |
| 20:08.02 | CoreDump | I tried installing espeak for speech-to-text...espeak freezes the neo for good .\ |
| 20:08.09 | zilux | iirc I used gdb to have more info on it. |
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| 20:08.49 | zilux | regarding this second issue on navit, the answer was instanaeoulsy given |
| 20:09.13 | zilux | on the navit irc channel (overcommit kernel parameter) |
| 20:09.32 | zilux | CoreDump: which eSpeak do you use please? |
| 20:09.57 | thseiler | Rober101: I just tried to establish a gsm conferencecall, called two other phones, and then hang up. => both other phones where hung up aswell :/ |
| 20:09.59 | wurp2 | CoreDump: navit is barely usable because espeak doesn't work? |
| 20:09.59 | CoreDump | ahem |
| 20:10.04 | zilux | espek-pulse works correctly here afaik |
| 20:10.06 | CoreDump | wurp2: partly |
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| 20:10.25 | CoreDump | the espeak I commited into OE earlier today |
| 20:10.26 | wurp2 | CoreDump: there are several menu options that crash for me, but I can get maps, set bookmarks & route |
| 20:10.32 | zilux | ah. |
| 20:10.42 | wurp2 | which is all I need, although espeak would be very handy |
| 20:10.49 | CoreDump | wurp2: the display is too small for usage while driving |
| 20:10.50 | zilux | using PortAudio? |
| 20:10.59 | CoreDump | zilux: exactly |
| 20:11.02 | wurp2 | CoreDump: You're just not taking enough risks while driving :-) |
| 20:11.27 | zilux | I focus on eSpeak + PulseAudio/ speech dispatcher in mokotts |
| 20:11.30 | CoreDump | zilux: looks like a kernel crash if you try to run it....nei just dies |
| 20:11.31 | zilux | did you try it? |
| 20:11.32 | mjr | wurp2, you using self-compiled 0.0.3 of navit on the neo? (seems the 0.0.2 package doesn't display my map portion though it does seem to notice the file, or I've screwed up) |
| 20:11.39 | wurp2 | CoreDump: Honestly, when I need to do anything significant with it I pull over - I'm not sure a bigger display would change that for me, but it might |
| 20:11.59 | CoreDump | zilux: never heard of mokotts sorry |
| 20:12.00 | wurp2 | mjr: Yes |
| 20:12.10 | wurp2 | mjr: I use self-compiled 0.0.3 |
| 20:12.40 | zilux | CoreDump: thanks to try it: http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/mokotts/ |
| 20:12.55 | mjr | wurp2, ok, that I'm less likely to want to bother with - can you send the binaries to mjr@iki.fi when you're home,? |
| 20:12.56 | zilux | focus on it since Oautomn :/ |
| 20:13.29 | wurp2 | mjr: Sure. I can actually do it now if you can give me a website to pull the osms from |
| 20:13.54 | wurp2 | mjr: Hmm, actually I built a script to pull the osms based on lat/lon |
| 20:13.56 | aospan | Hello, my friends ! I have build latest sources (using Moko Makefile with "OPENMOKO_GENERATION = 2007.2") and after start I don't see mounter sysfs and started udev. After mounting sysfs and starting udev and restarting xserver touchscreen work fine. What is this ? Who know how to "automount" sysfs ? Just adding it to fstab not working ... udev don't start at booting ;( Thanks ! |
| 20:14.10 | mjr | wurp2, meant the navit openmoko binaries. I did manage to convert the osm data on my desktop |
| 20:14.13 | CoreDump | interesting, which espeak are you using? mine is http://kent.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/espeak/espeak-1.30-source.zip |
| 20:14.22 | wurp2 | mjr: If you just give me two lat/lon pairs defining a bounding box around the area... |
| 20:14.29 | zilux | 1.29 |
| 20:14.36 | zilux | I am updating to 1.30 atm |
| 20:14.46 | CoreDump | works fine on a Zaurus, crashes neo |
| 20:15.01 | wurp2 | mjr: Oh, OK. I will try to get 'em to you now |
| 20:15.02 | mjr | wurp2, just that I'm not very familiar still on building software for the moko (being rather a python guy myself, too...) |
| 20:15.03 | CoreDump | someone commited speech-dispatcher yesterday into OE |
| 20:15.14 | zilux | great! |
| 20:15.23 | mjr | wurp2, thanks |
| 20:15.24 | zilux | 0.6.5? |
| 20:15.29 | CoreDump | yes |
| 20:15.41 | CoreDump | It isn't needed for navit tho ;) |
| 20:15.57 | zilux | did you try espeak + sd using alsa? |
| 20:16.08 | CoreDump | sd? |
| 20:16.14 | zilux | speech-dispatcher sorry |
| 20:16.26 | CoreDump | well, no |
| 20:16.33 | zilux | may solve the crash |
| 20:16.34 | mjr | even a sucky navigation program on the neo will be nice, in a week or two I'll probably give a short OSM mapping demo for TV here :] |
| 20:16.49 | CoreDump | just running "espeak blahh" will kill it, couldnt get spd-say to work |
| 20:17.20 | wurp2 | mjr: I lied to you; I built 0.0.3 on my linux machine, but not for my neo :-( |
| 20:17.40 | wurp2 | mjr: And I can't check what version I am running because I have a Qtopia image on my neo right now :-( |
| 20:18.01 | zilux | perhaps incompatibility between alsa and pulseaudio |
| 20:18.18 | zilux | CoreDump: you may configure the epseak module in sd for pulse |
| 20:20.33 | zilux | CoreDump: in /etc/speech-dispatcher/modules/espeak.conf |
| 20:20.58 | mjr | wurp2, righto, ah well, will have to see about it |
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| 20:21.56 | mjr | wonder if navit gets confused for not having location data currently |
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| 20:22.25 | zilux | by default they provide the Munich map |
| 20:24.09 | wurp2 | mjr: You will get an all gray screen (except the navit menus at the top) if you don't either have the initial lat/lon in navit.xml pointing to a location for which you have maps |
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| 20:24.21 | wurp2 | mjr: or hav gpsd going and have maps for your current location |
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| 20:24.28 | wurp2 | s/hav /have / |
| 20:24.54 | mjr | I did put in an initial location inside the boundaries of the OSM piece I converted |
| 20:25.12 | mjr | gpsd is going but I'm inside |
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| 20:25.35 | wurp2 | And you pointed navit.xml to your map file location, and activated that map in navit.xml? |
| 20:25.43 | maito | is openmoko going to use navit? |
| 20:25.51 | wurp2 | I think there might be something else you have to do too... |
| 20:26.10 | wurp2 | maito: Not necessarily; it's just a 3rd party app that mostly works |
| 20:26.15 | wurp2 | on the neo |
| 20:26.23 | mjr | <mapset enabled="yes"><map type="binfile" enabled="yes" data="/tmp/mymap.bin"/></mapset> |
| 20:26.36 | mjr | (yeah, /tmp for testing) |
| 20:27.08 | wurp2 | mjr: I haven't played with the initial coords |
| 20:27.10 | maito | wurp2: yes, I know someone who helped the navit project, wondering if I perhaps should help too |
| 20:27.26 | wurp2 | mjr: I just always use gpsd |
| 20:27.47 | mjr | also when I click the map, it does tell that the clicked coordinates are appropriate, but nothing shows but gray |
| 20:27.57 | wurp2 | maito: Right now, defacto afaik everyone uses navit who does any mapping with the gps |
| 20:28.18 | wurp2 | mjr: Yeah, I just know I had to do several things in my xml to get it to work |
| 20:28.30 | wurp2 | mjr: Let me email you my navit.xml |
| 20:28.39 | mjr | wurp2, okay (was mjr@iki.fi) |
| 20:29.07 | nox-Hand | xD |
| 20:29.14 | nox-Hand | "September" |
| 20:29.17 | nox-Hand | "December" |
| 20:29.19 | nox-Hand | "March" |
| 20:29.21 | nox-Hand | "Spring" |
| 20:29.25 | nox-Hand | I think I give up |
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| 20:31.25 | wurp2 | mjr: I've written some toy programs to tell you how far you are from a starting point based on gpsd data, and to record a route |
| 20:31.37 | wurp2 | mjr: Email sent |
| 20:33.16 | mjr | Hey, I have rendering. Wonder if it was the disabling of that one sample map, or the fixing of a recent screwup (though I do believe it should've worked already before said screwup, but can't be positive) |
| 20:33.54 | wurp2 | mjr: I know I disabled the sample map before I tried mine |
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| 20:34.01 | mwester | nox-Hand: 1 standard minute == (rand() * 1000) moko-minutes |
| 20:34.03 | mjr | anyways, positive results. Whee. |
| 20:34.32 | nox-Hand | mwester: I think I was first interested in this phone in February last year |
| 20:34.49 | nox-Hand | I kept my old phone since then, thinking I'd buy this thing |
| 20:35.08 | wurp2 | nox-Hand: yeah, I gave in & bought the 01 |
| 20:35.19 | mjr | ooh, this is funky. The navit binary is alignment trapping like hell, which results in syslogd and klogd taking up more useful CPU time than navit. |
| 20:35.19 | mwester | er, other way around actually: 1 moko-minute == (rand() * 1000) standard minutes. I too was interested since Feb. I have learned much patience since then, and OpenMoko is continuing to teach me more patience. |
| 20:37.14 | Vegar | hehe |
| 20:37.16 | mjr | well anyway, it sort of works, but it is apparent that the ipkg is rather suboptimally built for the Neo SoC |
| 20:37.50 | nox-Hand | wurp2: I can't bring myself to doing that |
| 20:38.11 | wurp2 | mjr: You should set up a toolchain and build it with proper byte alignment :-) |
| 20:38.27 | mjr | yes I should |
| 20:38.32 | wurp2 | mjr: Maybe then routing will be usable while traveling (for me it updates like once every few minutes) |
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| 20:39.28 | sam1am | Hey does anyone know if this is accurate: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS2393777675.html |
| 20:39.29 | wurp2 | nox-Hand: I'm going to pass the 01 off to my wife and get the 02 when it becomes available :-) |
| 20:39.36 | sam1am | It says "next year" and is dated Jan. 3 |
| 20:39.46 | wurp2 | sam1am: I think the consensus is that it is not accurate |
| 20:39.51 | sam1am | I assume they meant this year |
| 20:39.57 | sam1am | ah ok :D |
| 20:40.14 | wurp2 | sam1am: And I think it's cribbed from another press release from a week ago |
| 20:40.17 | sam1am | I thought they were shooting for a release this spring |
| 20:40.24 | sam1am | ah - well that explains it |
| 20:41.01 | zilux | CoreDump: I just have a look to the speech-dispatcher recipe in oe |
| 20:41.18 | CoreDump | it is far from perfect |
| 20:41.24 | zilux | they use espeak-generic instead of espeak :/ |
| 20:41.34 | zilux | so the command line instaed of the API |
| 20:41.36 | CoreDump | I tried both, both didn't work |
| 20:41.55 | CoreDump | neither did the pulse or alsa or oss settings is espeak.conf |
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| 20:42.29 | zilux | here using the original espeak + PulseAudio 0.9.6 |
| 20:42.51 | zilux | we observe a high cpu usage due to the 22050Hz/mono samples |
| 20:43.16 | zilux | if you patch eSpeak for 44100Hz stereo, it is much better |
| 20:43.46 | zilux | I am curious to try PA 0.9.8 to check again |
| 20:43.50 | wurp2 | 44100Hz stereo uses less cpu than 22050Hz mono? |
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| 20:44.14 | nox-Hand | :P |
| 20:44.20 | zilux | I guess the original frequency expected |
| 20:44.26 | zilux | is 44100 (by PA° |
| 20:44.41 | zilux | otherwise to resampling |
| 20:44.48 | zilux | (do) |
| 20:45.54 | wurp2 | ah |
| 20:46.18 | zilux | the best result at the moment are with espeak + sd + alsa |
| 20:46.36 | zilux | hope it changes with free runner + pa 0.9.8 :-) |
| 20:46.48 | CoreDump | zilux: patches to espeak & SD in OE are welcome ;) |
| 20:47.02 | zilux | ok |
| 20:47.14 | zilux | my patches have been welcomed for sd |
| 20:47.29 | zilux | but not yet welcomed in espeak upstream |
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| 21:05.05 | nox-Hand | wurp2: Don't hav ea wife to give one off to ;) |
| 21:05.34 | wurp2 | nox-Hand: Then you should have enough money to buy two and not worry about it ;-) |
| 21:06.22 | nox-Hand | wurp2: 'm a student |
| 21:06.39 | nox-Hand | Who spent most of his money for a three week trip to Mongolia |
| 21:06.50 | nox-Hand | And then spent the rest for a six week trip to Australia |
| 21:06.52 | nox-Hand | >_o |
| 21:07.10 | wurp2 | nox-Hand: Cool! |
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| 21:09.08 | nox-Hand | wurp2: Yeah, I like travelling :] |
| 21:09.22 | nox-Hand | It takes hell out of my being a geek though, as it's hard to buy gear :P |
| 21:09.39 | nox-Hand | Hoping to go to a three week exchange to USA this summer |
| 21:09.45 | nox-Hand | Which will take all of my cash again :P |
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| 21:10.08 | SpeedEvil | Just travel refrigerated :) |
| 21:11.20 | nox-Hand | SpeedEvil: Clarify? o_o |
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| 21:15.58 | SpeedEvil | Or there are probably cheap tickets available to kenya now. |
| 21:18.14 | ljp | nox-Hand: how did you like Australia? Where did you go? |
| 21:21.53 | SpeedEvil | Do the syndey harbout bridge-walk? |
| 21:21.56 | SpeedEvil | harbour |
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| 21:28.32 | nox-Hand | ljp: I was in Victoria, so I was around the Shepparton area but visited Melbourne many times |
| 21:28.37 | nox-Hand | SpeedEvil: No Sydney I am afraid |
| 21:28.48 | nox-Hand | ljp: I liked Aus very much :) Shame it was winter when i was there |
| 21:29.00 | CVirus | http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=205207789 |
| 21:29.06 | CVirus | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.32 | SpeedEvil | Sigh |
| 21:29.45 | nox-Hand | Is that true or not? |
| 21:29.50 | CVirus | wtf is dash express ? |
| 21:29.53 | SpeedEvil | I have no idea. |
| 21:30.02 | nox-Hand | :P |
| 21:30.10 | CVirus | http://www.dash.net/product.php |
| 21:30.32 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: Why sigh? |
| 21:31.09 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: because telling your dev community about it by them finding press releases... |
| 21:31.36 | CVirus | fucken digg and it's stupid users |
| 21:31.49 | CVirus | digg has gone too lame |
| 21:31.56 | SpeedEvil | I want a damn OM camera. |
| 21:31.59 | wurp2 | Uh, and I notice the screen resolution is 480x272, which is what that press release said for the freerunner |
| 21:32.02 | SpeedEvil | 10-12MP. |
| 21:32.05 | CVirus | It's been quiet for quite some time but finally, OpenMoko, a community-driven effort to create an open platform for mobile devices, is getting ready to unveil a mass-market version of a mobile phone based on open source principles. It's priced at $600 and will start shipping at the end of next month. |
| 21:32.07 | CVirus | wtf !! |
| 21:32.40 | CVirus | fuck you digg and fuck you kevin rose |
| 21:32.46 | holycow | precisely |
| 21:33.23 | nox-Hand | CVirus: Digg has been retarded for ~~1 year now |
| 21:33.25 | nox-Hand | even more |
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| 21:33.34 | CVirus | totally agreed |
| 21:33.52 | wurp2 | I guess I'm glad I never really read it then... |
| 21:33.53 | CVirus | I was searching my feeds for openmoko and found this stupid digg article |
| 21:33.54 | nox-Hand | Once it was actually good articles |
| 21:34.03 | nox-Hand | CVirus: I scan through it still in hope of something good |
| 21:34.10 | nox-Hand | And OpenMoko has been top a few times last tow days |
| 21:34.13 | nox-Hand | two* |
| 21:34.14 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if that's the hxd8? |
| 21:34.22 | guaqua | it probably is |
| 21:34.31 | guaqua | that's what i'm thinking, at least |
| 21:34.41 | wurp2 | I wonder if it runs at 500 mhz ;-) |
| 21:35.06 | CVirus | http://www.dash.net/product.php ... i don't think it's even running openmoko ! |
| 21:35.27 | nox-Hand | CVirus: Agreed |
| 21:35.58 | CVirus | SpeedEvil: no it's not |
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| 21:36.39 | CVirus | digg it down please http://digg.com/linux_unix/OpenMoko_Finally_Goes_Gold_Unveiled |
| 21:37.02 | zilux | iirc a person from dash posts to the community ml, months ago |
| 21:38.02 | nox-Hand | Buried |
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| 21:41.44 | uriahheep | hello :) |
| 21:41.58 | CVirus | uriahheep: hey |
| 21:42.11 | uriahheep | how's it going? |
| 21:42.21 | CVirus | uriahheep: great .. you ? |
| 21:42.23 | CVirus | long time no see |
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| 21:42.37 | uriahheep | i'm good |
| 21:42.48 | uriahheep | yeah, where've you been? :P |
| 21:42.48 | uriahheep | haha |
| 21:43.26 | CVirus | around :-) |
| 21:44.05 | uriahheep | ;P |
| 21:44.44 | CVirus | you don't recall me .. don't you ? |
| 21:44.49 | uriahheep | slightly :P |
| 21:44.53 | uriahheep | #gentoo-cafe? |
| 21:44.54 | CVirus | I see |
| 21:44.58 | CVirus | uriahheep: yup :-) |
| 21:45.00 | uriahheep | :) |
| 21:45.04 | uriahheep | so i do ;) |
| 21:45.16 | CVirus | [23:38] <CVirus> you don't recall me .. don't you ? |
| 21:45.18 | CVirus | do you* |
| 21:45.26 | uriahheep | heheh |
| 21:45.31 | CVirus | :-D |
| 21:46.04 | uriahheep | so, are you just waiting around in here for news, or are do you dev on this? ;P |
| 21:46.42 | CVirus | uriahheep: I'm starting an OpenMoko project soon, when I'm done with my exams |
| 21:46.48 | CVirus | uriahheep: and still .. waiting for news :-D |
| 21:47.01 | uriahheep | ah, nice :) |
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| 21:47.09 | uriahheep | CVirus: well, it's going gold very soon it seems :P |
| 21:47.23 | uriahheep | according to digg.com, at least |
| 21:47.49 | CVirus | uriahheep: bury that |
| 21:47.51 | CVirus | uriahheep: totally fake |
| 21:48.06 | zilux | Dash/OpenMoko (URL already in the OM wiki): http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/10/dash_web2summit_openmoko.html |
| 21:48.33 | uriahheep | CVirus: http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=205207789 |
| 21:48.38 | CVirus | uriahheep: it's fake |
| 21:49.05 | CVirus | totally inaccurate |
| 21:49.57 | uriahheep | hmm :( |
| 21:50.54 | CVirus | zilux: the official website says nothing about OM |
| 21:52.05 | XorA|gone | Dash is OpenMoko |
| 21:52.06 | SpeedEvil | There needs to be a web-journalists award, like the pullitzer. But more tyres and petrol involved. |
| 21:52.18 | CVirus | LOL |
| 21:53.52 | MikeonTV | I am interested in the openmoko and neo1973. I'm in Ontario. How on earth can I buy and test this? |
| 21:54.08 | SpeedEvil | you can buy the existing version from the website |
| 21:54.15 | SpeedEvil | or you can use it under qemu |
| 21:54.16 | CVirus | MikeonTV:https://direct.openmoko.com |
| 21:54.23 | SpeedEvil | what coding skills do you have? |
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| 21:56.41 | uriahheep | hmm... |
| 21:56.43 | uriahheep | umm |
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| 21:57.07 | uriahheep | if i order a development version of the openmoko, will it ship right away? |
| 21:57.18 | SpeedEvil | uriahheep: as I understand, yes. |
| 21:57.22 | uriahheep | ...cause a buddy of mine preordered his and it never came... or something :P |
| 21:57.31 | SpeedEvil | there were initial delays |
| 21:57.48 | SpeedEvil | however as I underrstand it (I am not involved with the shop) the shop actually has stock |
| 21:57.53 | SpeedEvil | so they go out in a couple of days |
| 21:58.34 | uriahheep | hmm, k |
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| 21:59.37 | CVirus | echo "troll off" > uriahheep |
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| 22:00.09 | uriahheep | CVirus: :P |
| 22:00.25 | uriahheep | CVirus: worrying is not a form of trolling :P |
| 22:00.30 | CVirus | hehe |
| 22:03.06 | nox-Hand | I'd be a huge troll if it was |
| 22:03.23 | wurp2 | uriahheep: When I ordered mine about 3 weeks ago, I got it within about a week |
| 22:04.12 | uriahheep | hmm, nice |
| 22:04.23 | uriahheep | i'm feeling like i'd rather wait for the production version, though |
| 22:04.39 | uriahheep | i don't want to have to dish out even more money once it's out :-/ |
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| 23:15.44 | kam1kaze | maybe spring? :( |
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| 23:15.57 | CVirus | maybe |
| 23:15.58 | CVirus | yeah |
| 23:17.24 | kam1kaze | i think neo1973 will not become an iPhone killer :) iPhone will die earlier than the first usable neo1973 will come out :D |
| 23:17.37 | XorA|gone | heh heh |
| 23:17.40 | XorA|gone | iPhone sucks ass |
| 23:19.36 | zash | and HYPEINATED! |
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| 23:24.51 | xcasex | zash: i have hype for you to suck on at the next LUGU meeting ;) |
| 23:26.39 | zash | orly |
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| 23:39.36 | t_s_o | hmm, a car navigation system based on openmoko. may we live in interesting times indeed ;) |
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