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| 00:48.31 | inwoo | has anyone built openmoko in ubuntu x86-64? |
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| 05:12.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1154 has been created by mail(AT)mmontour.net |
| 05:12.02 | cdbot2 | * * gsmd at 100% CPU (sigsegv-handling problem) |
| 05:12.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1154 |
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| 05:39.25 | matux | i am a lite confused, if I install what's indicated in this link : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/How_to_run_OpenMoko_Apps_on_PC will I be able to run open moko on my PC? |
| 05:40.16 | matux | but in order to develope new tools, I must install Xoo . http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Host-based_development_with_Xoo_and_Xephyr, is that correct? |
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| 05:41.32 | mbuf | matux, yes; new tools? Xoo, Xephyr are for GUI |
| 05:43.14 | matux | sorry i meant new applications |
| 05:44.47 | mbuf | matux, sure; as long as you have the necessary libraries installed for your application |
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| 07:18.24 | jeremy1 | my gps antenna broke where the wire is attached to the antenna (square thingy) |
| 07:18.52 | jeremy1 | Who can I contact to get a new one. I would try to solder it myself, but the wire is so damn small. |
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| 08:35.28 | Stephmw | mornin' |
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| 09:13.22 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r3760 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (5 files in 5 dirs): gsmd: add Call Forwarding function (Sean Chiang) |
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| 10:09.57 | derekcorwin | Beep |
| 10:09.59 | derekcorwin | Anyone awake |
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| 10:13.14 | XorA | nope |
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| 10:15.58 | derekcorwin | XorA: Sup |
| 10:16.21 | derekcorwin | I'm trying to debrick a GTA01BV4 |
| 10:16.38 | XorA | derekcorwin: got debug board? |
| 10:16.44 | derekcorwin | Yes |
| 10:16.53 | derekcorwin | When I try to run openocd it gives me errors |
| 10:16.54 | XorA | no probs then :-D |
| 10:17.13 | XorA | just keep hitting reset then start openocd as fast as possible, eventually it should connect |
| 10:18.54 | derekcorwin | XorA: |
| 10:18.55 | derekcorwin | http://pastebin.com/m6f2e7110 |
| 10:19.13 | derekcorwin | The moko just has a black screen |
| 10:19.24 | derekcorwin | Your talking about the reset button on the debug board correct? |
| 10:19.28 | XorA | yes |
| 10:19.48 | derekcorwin | Will the moko light up when it works? |
| 10:20.00 | XorA | you didnt follow the wiki right, you forgot the (ft2232) with correct params |
| 10:21.00 | derekcorwin | You mean the kernel module with params? |
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| 10:22.36 | derekcorwin | modprobe ftdi_sio vendor=0x1457 product=0x5118 |
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| 10:27.06 | derekcorwin | XorA: Beep |
| 10:27.13 | derekcorwin | Been working on this for a bit need help |
| 10:28.07 | XorA | and you dmesg shows debug board was recognised? |
| 10:30.46 | derekcorwin | Yes |
| 10:32.05 | derekcorwin | http://pastebin.com/m15a23737 |
| 10:33.09 | derekcorwin | XorA: There is some of the dmesg output |
| 10:33.55 | XorA | [ 4471.440000] usb 1-1.4: device descriptor read/64, error -71 |
| 10:34.02 | XorA | that is a busted USB device |
| 10:34.08 | XorA | I assume that is the neo |
| 10:34.52 | derekcorwin | Could it be the debug board? |
| 10:35.19 | XorA | no idea, I cant see what you plugged into your machine |
| 10:36.31 | derekcorwin | Damn |
| 10:52.18 | CVirus | FreeRunner ! |
| 10:53.32 | zilux | :-) |
| 10:54.08 | CVirus | so it is March I guess |
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| 11:25.25 | dent | hi |
| 11:26.37 | dent | anyone here who can give me a hand with a problem with one of my neos? |
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| 11:29.56 | SpeedEvil | don't know. What's it? |
| 11:30.07 | SpeedEvil | I can't help with emotional problems. |
| 11:30.23 | dent | :) |
| 11:30.36 | dent | well the problem is my neo powers down during bootup |
| 11:30.49 | SpeedEvil | unplug battery for 10 min |
| 11:30.56 | SpeedEvil | (and usb) |
| 11:31.03 | dent | ok |
| 11:31.07 | dent | and this does what? |
| 11:31.16 | SpeedEvil | replace battery, plug in USB, leave charging for 5 hours |
| 11:31.32 | SpeedEvil | the battery managment at low battery levels is not great |
| 11:31.41 | dent | hmm |
| 11:31.53 | dent | it should work, if i just use another battery? |
| 11:31.58 | SpeedEvil | probably, yes |
| 11:32.09 | dent | ok, i'll give it a try ... |
| 11:34.39 | dent | recharged battery - which works on another neo doesn't work |
| 11:34.47 | dent | i'll let it |
| 11:35.02 | dent | settle down and try the battery remove thingy |
| 11:36.41 | SpeedEvil | power managment is unfortunately rudimentary |
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| 11:36.52 | dent | :( |
| 11:36.54 | SpeedEvil | and has bugs |
| 11:37.06 | SpeedEvil | most software fixable hopefully |
| 11:37.15 | dent | good to hear |
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| 11:37.34 | dent | strangely enough that does only happen for 1 of 3 neos |
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| 13:28.29 | balrog-kun | is it very bad if i'm getting the $PGLOR,IGR sentence from the hammerhead? |
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| 13:28.59 | balrog-kun | or does everyone get this before they have a fix? |
| 13:29.43 | balrog-kun | in the agps-ui sources $PGLOR,IGR is described as platform integration problem indication which doesn't sound very optimistic |
| 13:29.46 | SpeedEvil | IIRC yes |
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| 13:30.05 | rtp | balrog-kun: I got this kind of frames too until I have a fix (I get $PGLOR,FIX after iirc) |
| 13:30.06 | balrog-kun | oh good |
| 13:30.16 | balrog-kun | rtp: great, thanks |
| 13:30.16 | SpeedEvil | I'm feeling horrible and finding out woild involve me getting out og bed |
| 13:31.19 | balrog-kun | SpeedEvil: thanks either way, hope you get better :) |
| 13:31.36 | SpeedEvil | I am slowly |
| 13:34.02 | SpeedEvil | Especially igf they are energy saving ones, they may be coated so that you can't |
| 13:34.04 | balrog-kun | or are there real "platform intgration" problems |
| 13:34.27 | balrog-kun | energy saving windows? |
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| 13:34.47 | SpeedEvil | ones produced in the last 10-15 years or so |
| 13:34.55 | SpeedEvil | they can have IR reflective coatings. |
| 13:35.02 | Xx13 | my gps has been haning on the window for months without fix, all because the window is looking north |
| 13:35.07 | balrog-kun | oh yeah, they look modern |
| 13:35.22 | SpeedEvil | IR reflective coatings can be moderately efficient shielding |
| 13:36.52 | balrog-kun | i'll try again with windows open when the neo charges enough to be able boot and run for a while |
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| 13:39.52 | balrog-kun | does anyone have a gllin setup that is known to work, i.e. give correct coordinates, and a charged battery? |
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| 13:41.45 | gamin | balrog-kun: charging battery with gllin?? |
| 13:42.25 | gamin | mine simply spits out the NMEA and does quite well doing so |
| 13:43.16 | gamin | actually it gets a fix from a cold start in less than a minute under open skies, that is |
| 13:43.38 | balrog-kun | gamin: no, just a charged battery so that they can power the phone up right now |
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| 13:44.35 | gamin | balrog-kun: you need a tester? |
| 13:44.46 | balrog-kun | gamin: yes, for an alternative gllin setup |
| 13:45.44 | balrog-kun | that uses no oabi chroot |
| 13:46.40 | alberto | Hi. I'm new to openmoko. Tried to build images with MokoMakefile, but got package error. |
| 13:47.07 | alberto | NOTE: package openmoko-terminal2-2.1.1+svnr3542-r2: task do_fetch: failed |
| 13:47.33 | balrog-kun | !ombug 1152 |
| 13:47.34 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 1152, Status: RESOLVED (WORKSFORME), Created: Unknown |
| 13:47.35 | cdbot2 | * * thomas(AT)openedhand.com: openmoko-terminal2 is missing vala dependancy |
| 13:47.36 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1152 |
| 13:47.40 | balrog-kun | alberto: ^^ |
| 13:47.45 | alberto | Thanks! |
| 13:47.56 | alberto | I'll look at it. |
| 13:48.33 | balrog-kun | oh, it fails in do_fetch, that may be a different problem then |
| 13:49.31 | alberto | I'm trying to understand how to post the full log in celpaste ... |
| 13:49.50 | alberto | http://celpaste.morb-design.com/pastebin.php?show=d7d6079a0 |
| 13:50.43 | balrog-kun | i got gllin running without the OABI chroot (thus saving lots of space) but i couldn't get a fix or even see a single satellite and i was wondering if my hack was breaking gllin |
| 13:51.08 | balrog-kun | seems unlikely but it would be nice if someone else could test it with a known working setup |
| 13:54.34 | alberto | It looks like package terminal2 disappeared in http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/ |
| 13:55.35 | alberto | I tried with make update-makefile && make setup && make update |
| 13:55.44 | alberto | make clean-package-terminal2 |
| 13:55.59 | alberto | But i get the same error, package cannot be found. |
| 13:56.33 | alberto | Is there another package repository I can tell MokoMakefile to search for ? |
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| 14:04.26 | balrog-kun | if it works out it should also allow folks to run gllin with reduced priviledges |
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| 14:04.30 | balrog-kun | i.e. non-root |
| 14:05.18 | Sup3rkiddo | hello all |
| 14:05.27 | balrog-kun | hey Sup3rkiddo |
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| 14:19.34 | El_Salvador | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjI2OQ |
| 14:19.35 | El_Salvador | :O |
| 14:19.46 | torpor | how to fix this? |
| 14:19.47 | torpor | ERROR: No providers of build target u-boot-openmoko (for []) |
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| 14:20.23 | alberto | HI. I got the same error. Is your related to missing package openmoko-terminal2-2.1.1+svnr3542-r2 ? |
| 14:22.19 | alberto | torpor, can u post your output to pastebin or celpaste ? |
| 14:22.43 | torpor | alberto: that is the output |
| 14:22.48 | torpor | i get ERROR: No providers of build target u-boot-openmoko (for []) |
| 14:22.55 | torpor | make openmoko-devel-image |
| 14:23.10 | alberto | Sure, but the output is longer. |
| 14:23.44 | torpor | no |
| 14:23.45 | alberto | I have posted mine at http://celpaste.morb-design.com/pastebin.php?show=d7d6079a0 |
| 14:23.52 | alberto | Have a look at it. |
| 14:25.40 | alberto | The last 2 lines are yours ... |
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| 14:36.24 | CoreDump | update your OE tree |
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| 14:39.59 | alberto | Can anybody help with MokoMakefile compilation ? |
| 14:40.09 | alberto | I tried the procedure |
| 14:40.20 | alberto | make update-makefile && make setup update openmoko-devel-image |
| 14:40.39 | alberto | but I get errors while fetching terminal2 package |
| 14:40.54 | alberto | I posted the full output to http://celpaste.morb-design.com/pastebin.php?show=m216847d |
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| 14:41.16 | alberto | Is it due to bug 1152 fixing ? |
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| 14:41.59 | alberto | Is there a workaround ? |
| 14:42.12 | shred | hi |
| 14:42.26 | CoreDump | tried updating MokoMakefile? |
| 14:42.35 | alberto | Yes |
| 14:42.55 | alberto | Indeed I run make update-makefile && make setup && make update |
| 14:42.58 | CoreDump | ERROR: No providers of build target u-boot-openmoko means your OE tree is too old |
| 14:43.11 | CoreDump | the name was changed last week or so... |
| 14:43.12 | shred | i have one dtupid question: how do i switch the lcd to 240*320 stretch mode? |
| 14:43.16 | alberto | So I should start from scratch ? |
| 14:43.31 | CoreDump | alberto: you should update your OE tree |
| 14:43.35 | alberto | I started from scratch yesterday night (I mean new Makefile) |
| 14:43.40 | NineX | alberto: make update |
| 14:43.55 | alberto | done |
| 14:44.01 | NineX | hmm |
| 14:44.11 | CoreDump | shred: try playing with xrandr and fbset |
| 14:44.26 | shred | thx |
| 14:45.22 | NineX | alberto: so you can try make update-bleeding-edge |
| 14:45.43 | alberto | OK ... I'm trying .... |
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| 14:56.11 | shred | when i click on the upper menu with gsm, bluetooth, etc symbols, all the symbols disappear. what is the reason? |
| 14:56.39 | SpeedEvil | I think the applets crash |
| 14:56.40 | wurp2 | Does anyone know if gps & bluetooth work from QTopia on the neo? |
| 14:57.23 | SpeedEvil | if any bluetooth works, the bluetooth should wortk - it's a standard module connected via USB |
| 14:57.54 | wurp2 | that makes sense |
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| 14:58.01 | SpeedEvil | only gotcha is the 'power on' toggle |
| 14:58.16 | wurp2 | Are the /sys devices all the same in QTopia? |
| 14:58.26 | SpeedEvil | I don't know what the kernel does |
| 14:58.29 | alberto | NineX: I've done update-bleeding-edge. |
| 14:58.34 | wurp2 | It seems they would be 'cause they're mounted... |
| 14:58.43 | wurp2 | K, thanks |
| 14:58.45 | alberto | Shall I just make the image ? |
| 14:59.03 | balrog-kun | wurp2: apparently people got the gps to work on qtopia |
| 14:59.33 | balrog-kun | someone posted a qtopia rootfs to the list tuned for gps |
| 14:59.54 | wurp2 | balrog-kun: Thanks! I missed that post - do you remember what list it was posted to? |
| 15:00.24 | NineX | alberto: yes make openmoko-devel-image |
| 15:00.33 | balrog-kun | wurp2: community, i've been browsing the january archive of the community list and i saw responses to this person's original posting there |
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| 15:01.50 | vick1 | hey, I have a question about the hardware architecture of open moko. Is this the right place to ask the question? |
| 15:02.23 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
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| 15:02.30 | alberto | NineX: I still get the same error message: package openmoko-terminal2-2.1.1+svnr3542-r2: task do_fetch: failed |
| 15:02.37 | balrog-kun | open moko is not a hardware :) |
| 15:02.46 | SpeedEvil | well - that too. |
| 15:02.54 | vick1 | Does the linux kernel run on the samsung apps processor and any proprietary code on the GSM modem processor? |
| 15:03.00 | SpeedEvil | vick1: no |
| 15:03.06 | SpeedEvil | vick1: there is only GSM code on that |
| 15:03.14 | SpeedEvil | vick1: it's an AT modem |
| 15:03.21 | SpeedEvil | conforming to normal standards |
| 15:03.23 | vick1 | Is the L4 micro kernel involved in the architecture? |
| 15:03.30 | vick1 | sorry it was "Is there" |
| 15:03.31 | SpeedEvil | dunno |
| 15:03.52 | balrog-kun | in the modem's architecture? |
| 15:03.52 | LaF0rge | vick: no. you should look for qualcomm msm7x00 based like htc kaiser if you want l4 |
| 15:03.58 | SpeedEvil | the GSM just appears as a modem, on a serial port of the CPU |
| 15:04.05 | SpeedEvil | you cannot do anything else with it. |
| 15:04.06 | vick1 | ok |
| 15:04.25 | SpeedEvil | (well, you can, but you'd have to convince TI to let you, which approches can't) |
| 15:04.28 | balrog-kun | i think they wouldn't use L4 for the kernel because they would have to release the sources then to comply with license |
| 15:04.41 | LaF0rge | balrog: NACK |
| 15:04.57 | LaF0rge | balrog: there are L4 variants under dual licensing |
| 15:05.02 | vick1 | I think is L4 microkernel source is freely available |
| 15:05.07 | vick1 | ok |
| 15:05.16 | balrog-kun | i see |
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| 15:08.15 | balrog-kun | the other license being non-free? |
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| 15:09.15 | PWizard | hi all |
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| 15:09.50 | PWizard | did anyone notice a GPS outage around 6:20-7:00 am Eastern time this morning? |
| 15:10.05 | thomasg | PWizard: timezone? |
| 15:10.20 | cjb_ie | what's that, GMT-5 ? |
| 15:10.22 | thomasg | (I'm not US, so eastern doesn't help) |
| 15:10.31 | PWizard | cjb_ie, that's right |
| 15:10.33 | PWizard | GMT-5 |
| 15:10.59 | SpeedEvil | Where are you? |
| 15:11.04 | SpeedEvil | pw: |
| 15:11.05 | thomasg | ok, that was at night. it worked fine at 7:00 UTC |
| 15:11.33 | PWizard | North Carolina, but I observed an outage across ~80-100 devices up and down the eastern seaboard |
| 15:11.34 | cjb_ie | nah, that would've been noonish - about three hours ago, PWizard? |
| 15:11.45 | PWizard | not sure if it was an external issue or if I'm a shite coder |
| 15:11.52 | SpeedEvil | GPS is _trivial_ to jam |
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| 15:12.03 | PWizard | cjb_ie, yes, between 4 to 3 hours ago approx. |
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| 15:12.13 | SpeedEvil | checked NOTAM? |
| 15:12.17 | SpeedEvil | pwi: |
| 15:12.20 | PWizard | SpeedEvil, what's NOTAM? |
| 15:12.31 | SpeedEvil | Notice to Airmen |
| 15:12.48 | SpeedEvil | basically 'gps will be at risk in these areas at these times' |
| 15:13.12 | PWizard | SpeedEvil, no I have not, googled it just now |
| 15:13.18 | SpeedEvil | http://www.arpro.com/basics.php |
| 15:13.21 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 15:13.27 | SpeedEvil | http://www.fly-low.com/features02/gpsdenial.html |
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| 15:14.36 | SpeedEvil | what sort of outage? |
| 15:14.43 | SpeedEvil | 'I can't find a signal' |
| 15:14.50 | SpeedEvil | position inaccuracy |
| 15:14.57 | PWizard | No fix, it appears |
| 15:15.19 | SpeedEvil | do you have gpss that were not affected? |
| 15:15.29 | thomasg | SpeedEvil: it's no problem to jam gsm, gps if far easier |
| 15:15.48 | thomasg | so I agree, it's trivial |
| 15:15.54 | PWizard | I was unable to observe it directly, but the nature of the error generated implied that either the units could not obtain a fix or the gps device itself simply failed to generate data on the serial line that attaches it (USB USGlobalSat receivers) |
| 15:16.30 | SpeedEvil | thomasg: no, it's much, much easier, in that wiht a few watt trasmitter, on a baloon you can wipe out most of a small country. |
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| 15:17.03 | SpeedEvil | the hemispherical per-satellite power is 50W |
| 15:17.22 | PWizard | Speedevil, one that I can identify, I'll see if it was active during the outage |
| 15:18.29 | PWizard | The locations of the units are approximately New Haven, Connecticut, Atlanta, Georgia, and Raleigh, NC |
| 15:18.36 | thomasg | SpeedEvil: yes, the gps signal is in a usual band without techical barriers and the signal strength is pretty weak |
| 15:19.05 | SpeedEvil | Fortunately, intentional long-range jamming is rare. |
| 15:20.28 | PWizard | SpeedEvil, I don't think anything intentional was involved. More likely it was the result of atmospheric effects |
| 15:20.37 | SpeedEvil | http://www.fly-low.com/features02/gpsdenial.html |
| 15:20.39 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 15:20.45 | SpeedEvil | http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/gps/status_and_outage_info.htm |
| 15:20.54 | SpeedEvil | ionospheric effects don't really do that |
| 15:23.07 | SpeedEvil | http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/gps/gpsnotices/GPS_Interference.pdf may be of more use |
| 15:23.48 | loufoque | is the USB port of the GTA02 powered? |
| 15:23.59 | SpeedEvil | yes - low power as I understand it |
| 15:24.18 | thomasg | yeah, roh said it is powered |
| 15:24.39 | PWizard | SpeedEvil, yeah, none of that seems pertinent to my app, but is useful if we wind up deploying in those regions |
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| 15:25.23 | SpeedEvil | PWizard: is it a secret? |
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| 15:25.47 | PWizard | SpeedEvil, what, my app? |
| 15:25.50 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 15:26.27 | PWizard | oh, FYI I was referred here from #mobitopia, on the basis that y'all would be knowledgable of GPS issues and probably faster to reply than the folks in #mobitopia. :) |
| 15:26.36 | PWizard | SpeedEvil, not really - www.transloc-inc.com' |
| 15:26.39 | PWizard | -' |
| 15:26.54 | magellan | Is there a common reason that a neo would get hung up at the logo screen with the text please wait? This is the first time I have had one not fully boot and I was wondering if anyone has had a similar problem |
| 15:27.38 | SpeedEvil | PWizard: does your system log actual NMEA out? |
| 15:28.19 | SpeedEvil | magellan: I'd first try taking the battery otu, leaving a couple of minutes, then retrying. |
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| 15:28.50 | PWizard | SpeedEvil, no, our device interprets NMEA sentences and encodes them in a simple proprietary packet format and sends them to our server |
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| 15:30.36 | PWizard | SpeedEvil, the "student-facing" portion of our app can be seen in action here, if you have a java plugin for your browser: yale.transloc-inc.com |
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| 15:33.32 | shred | When i try to use the command "xrandr" i always get "cant open display". what do i need to configure before? |
| 15:33.50 | zedstar | pwizard do u use a binary protocol to encode the data to your server? is it public? |
| 15:34.29 | SpeedEvil | PWizard: do you have devices that were not affected? |
| 15:34.49 | SpeedEvil | for GPS to be out over that area, I'd expect actual news stories. |
| 15:35.15 | PWizard | SpeedEvil, it's unclear, but it doesn't appear so. Unfortunately all but one of our biggest deployments aren't running their buses today |
| 15:35.21 | PWizard | between semesters. :) |
| 15:36.19 | PWizard | zedstar, it's not public yet, but we're planning on releasing specs eventually. There's some pressure from student groups from some of our client universities, but really the data isn't very useful yet |
| 15:36.32 | PWizard | unless you want to draw a map of the university and see where the bus is. :) |
| 15:37.06 | zedstar | pwizard is it binary the protocol or text-based im just curious |
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| 15:37.53 | PWizard | zedstar: it's binary, yes. |
| 15:38.11 | SpeedEvil | It's sent over SMS or something? |
| 15:38.56 | PWizard | SpeedEvil, no, TCP/IP |
| 15:39.01 | PWizard | GSM/GPRS |
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| 15:39.24 | SpeedEvil | are you getting no packets, or packets that say no fix? |
| 15:39.30 | zedstar | pwizard ok thanks...i would be interested to see the encoding if it goes public....i do quite a bit of binary protocol stuff |
| 15:40.22 | PWizard | SpeedEvil, no packets, because there's no fix. The device sends a log after a while that indicates the cause of the outage, in this case no fix. :/ |
| 15:40.43 | mwester | RE |
| 15:40.46 | SpeedEvil | Has this been going on for some days? |
| 15:40.51 | PWizard | it tries to send a log for network outages as well, but as you might imagine that rarely winds up working. :) |
| 15:40.56 | PWizard | SpeedEvil, Just this morning |
| 15:41.27 | SpeedEvil | it's still going on? |
| 15:41.28 | PWizard | specifically around 6:20 and 6:26 am, with decreasing amounts of instances until around 7 am |
| 15:41.35 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 15:41.39 | PWizard | SpeedEvil, does not appear to be continuing now |
| 15:42.05 | SpeedEvil | how often do you sample position? |
| 15:42.20 | PWizard | 1Hz |
| 15:42.27 | SpeedEvil | or rather - how often will it give no fix errors if there isn't one? |
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| 15:43.01 | PWizard | the GPS receiver feeds our hardware the coordinates, we are not actively sampling |
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| 15:43.40 | PWizard | no fix is indicated by NMEA sentence with no coords or 0,0 coords |
| 15:44.11 | SpeedEvil | Yes - I mean - if you plot fix/no-fix vs lat/lon on a 3d graph, might something be revealed, or is the temporal resolution too bad |
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| 15:44.56 | SpeedEvil | are all the devices parked in several spots controlled by one authority? |
| 15:45.07 | SpeedEvil | (at the time) |
| 15:47.02 | SpeedEvil | wondering if someones installed a new system |
| 15:47.07 | SpeedEvil | which is interfering |
| 15:47.37 | PWizard | SpeedEvil, The devices in atlanta had the same outage at the same time, despite being up to 10 miles apart |
| 15:48.14 | PWizard | that is, the outage doesn't seem to be geographically linked. |
| 15:48.33 | cjb_ie | 10 miles is nothing |
| 15:49.03 | PWizard | We get at least 1 coordinate per second, so graphing the outages is helpful and usually we do that, except google earth for linux doesn't work with the driver for my current graphics card. :( |
| 15:49.13 | SpeedEvil | gnuplot |
| 15:50.02 | PWizard | cjb_ie, 10 miles at Atlanta, 4-7 miles at Newhaven, 8ish miles at Raleigh |
| 15:50.10 | SpeedEvil | was there heavy rain/snow/hail then? |
| 15:50.11 | PWizard | SpeedEvil, never used gnuplot before |
| 15:50.22 | cjb_ie | PWizard: but how did the timing compare between the three sites? |
| 15:50.22 | PWizard | SpeedEvil, nope, just cold |
| 15:50.38 | PWizard | cjb_ie, the outage occurred at the same time everywhere |
| 15:51.35 | SpeedEvil | PWizard: on another topic. Might you consider donating the GPS tracks to openstreetmap? |
| 15:51.54 | SpeedEvil | (where 'you' is the appropriate authority) |
| 15:52.50 | SpeedEvil | PWizard: that smells _really_ like software. |
| 15:53.07 | SpeedEvil | PWizard: assuming that GPS has gone out over 1000 miles basically. |
| 15:53.56 | SpeedEvil | PWizard: same time, measured by GPS, or by your device clocks? |
| 15:54.16 | PWizard | SpeedEvil, That's what I thought, but I can't think of what might have caused such a weird outage to occur on even one device, and less so how they would synchronize so perfectly |
| 15:54.34 | SpeedEvil | The devices went out all at one time? |
| 15:54.37 | PWizard | SpeedEvil, by our server clock, upon receipt of the log |
| 15:54.42 | PWizard | SpeedEvil, yes |
| 15:54.52 | SpeedEvil | And came back - sort-of as if they were cold restarting? |
| 15:55.04 | SpeedEvil | with that sort of delay. |
| 15:55.36 | PWizard | After a certain period of time, the device resorts to a reboot to recover from an outage. |
| 15:55.44 | PWizard | The period depends upon the type of outage |
| 15:55.48 | SpeedEvil | might it be doing that? |
| 15:55.50 | CIA-15 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r20 10/trunk/ (README standards/otapi/ standards/telephony/): README: add py-proto |
| 15:56.03 | CIA-15 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r21 10/trunk/software/py-proto/ (pygpsd.py pygsmd.py pyneod.py pypwrd.py): three in one: pyneod |
| 15:56.09 | CIA-15 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r22 10/trunk/software/py-proto/ (README pygpsd.py pygsmd.py pyneod.py pypwrd.py): dbus methods work |
| 15:56.11 | SpeedEvil | I'd wonder if my GPS devices had crashed due to an internal software problem. |
| 15:56.20 | SpeedEvil | if they are all the same brand. |
| 15:56.56 | PWizard | SpeedEvil, exactly, that's what I'm arriving at. They're SiRF-III devices, the GlobalSat BU-355 |
| 15:57.58 | SpeedEvil | I suppose you've got no raw NMEA logs of what happened? |
| 15:57.58 | CIA-15 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r23 10/trunk/software/py-proto/README: more doc |
| 15:58.01 | PWizard | maybe there's some arcane bug in the firmware for the device that was triggered by some generalized GPS transmission... |
| 15:58.16 | SpeedEvil | or by an internal rollover of some sort |
| 15:58.46 | PWizard | SpeedEvil, correct, we're basically transmitting the logs over a 57,600baud modem, sending all the NMEA coords would hose the connection. :) |
| 15:58.50 | CIA-15 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r24 10/trunk/standards/otapi/README: add README |
| 15:59.32 | SpeedEvil | Actually, I did that. - for a subset. grep (a subset of GPS strings)|ssh |
| 15:59.46 | SpeedEvil | but it's not exactly efficient |
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| 16:00.34 | PWizard | We were logging every 10th GGA/RMC but even that was bloating the logs |
| 16:01.35 | SpeedEvil | I'd probably - though certainly after something like this - log the last 10 lines before an error |
| 16:01.36 | CIA-15 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r25 10/trunk/standards/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.xml: otapi: add introspection file for org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device |
| 16:01.39 | cjb_ie | funny thing is if the outage was synchronised, i'd have expected the reboots to be pretty synchronised too |
| 16:01.47 | SpeedEvil | cjb_ie: not really. |
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| 16:01.59 | PWizard | cjb_ie, they were. |
| 16:01.59 | SpeedEvil | cjb_ie: GPSs vary in lock times due to 'stuff' |
| 16:02.14 | SpeedEvil | so they vary a bit |
| 16:02.20 | PWizard | not exactly synced, but within about 30sec |
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| 16:20.58 | zash | whats up with freerunner? |
| 16:21.38 | mickeyl | freerunner? |
| 16:21.59 | zash | http://gizmodo.com/339965/openmoko-launches-neo-freerunner-open+source-smartphone-for-the-masses |
| 16:22.06 | zash | whats that about? |
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| 16:23.52 | fix | does anybody know from where the neo is shipping? |
| 16:24.13 | SpeedEvil | us |
| 16:24.19 | fix | k thnx |
| 16:24.27 | hrw | or taipei |
| 16:24.39 | fix | but not europe |
| 16:24.45 | hrw | no europe |
| 16:24.49 | fix | ok |
| 16:24.54 | fix | what I needed to know :) |
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| 16:25.13 | kdean06 | I'd like to know WHEN it's shipping. :P |
| 16:25.17 | kdean06 | I'm so impatient. :S |
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| 16:29.48 | zash | aha, so freerunner = gta02 |
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| 16:30.45 | SpeedEvil | I think this is just holding up GTA02v4 and saying 'shiny'. |
| 16:30.57 | SpeedEvil | rather than actual progress. |
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| 16:32.09 | mmontour | The press release does say that there will be an 850-MHz variant of the phone, so that's progress (for North American customers) |
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| 16:35.00 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 16:35.03 | mjr | yeah well, that's certainly nice to verify |
| 16:35.23 | mjr | other than that, yeah, "look, shiny" |
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| 16:38.49 | kdean06 | And this is, I assume, to drum up hype rather than actually prepare for the release. |
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| 17:08.06 | n4w2en | hi there |
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| 17:12.27 | n4w2en | witch language openmoko developers use? |
| 17:12.39 | n4w2en | is it c++ |
| 17:12.42 | n4w2en | ? |
| 17:13.17 | CVirus | depends I guess |
| 17:13.22 | CVirus | C, C++, Python |
| 17:13.56 | n4w2en | k thx |
| 17:14.14 | CVirus | np |
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| 17:16.21 | mickeyl | vala |
| 17:16.27 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03mickey * r3761 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-terminal2/src/mokoterminal.vala: openmoko-terminal2: set colors properly (found 'ref' keyword ;) and more compact |
| 17:22.07 | alberto | Hi. Back from rebuilding openmoko images from stratch. |
| 17:22.21 | alberto | And I get exactly the same error message as before. |
| 17:22.23 | magellan | I just started, again |
| 17:22.33 | magellan | what error |
| 17:22.34 | magellan | ? |
| 17:22.36 | alberto | I started from a fresh downloaderd moko makefile |
| 17:22.44 | mickeyl | naming question: "GetCurrentOperator", "GetProviderName", or "GetOperatorName" ? |
| 17:22.45 | magellan | me too |
| 17:23.15 | alberto | Anybody can help with moko makefile problems ? |
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| 17:23.26 | mickeyl | not if you don't pastebin the actual error |
| 17:23.35 | Stephmw | mickeyl: provider IMO |
| 17:23.44 | Stephmw | mickeyl: operator seems veru EU-centric |
| 17:23.46 | Stephmw | *very |
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| 17:23.57 | alberto | Here it is: http://celpaste.morb-design.com/pastebin.php?show=d7d6079a0 |
| 17:24.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1155 has been created by mail(AT)mmontour.net |
| 17:24.02 | cdbot2 | * * gsmd segfault in network_opers_parse |
| 17:24.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1155 |
| 17:24.50 | mickeyl | ok, there are multiple problems |
| 17:24.58 | alberto | I'm reading ... |
| 17:25.20 | alberto | (I meant I'm listening ...) |
| 17:25.22 | mickeyl | one is do_fetch failing in openmoko-terminal2, you can fix that by removing the svn/openmoko-terminal2 directory in your downloaded source dir |
| 17:25.39 | alberto | Why ? We do not need it ? |
| 17:26.09 | mickeyl | i removed the dir in svn and readded |
| 17:26.22 | mickeyl | this -- unfortunately -- has problems on svn update |
| 17:26.26 | mickeyl | so you can remove it |
| 17:26.29 | mickeyl | and let OE recheckout |
| 17:26.52 | mickeyl | after that, we need to fix the u-boot-openmoko error |
| 17:26.52 | alberto | OK. Since I'm new, which subdirectory ? |
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| 17:27.05 | mickeyl | dunno where mokomake file stores its stuff |
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| 17:27.26 | alberto | I'm in the main directory, were the moko makefile is. |
| 17:27.38 | bedboi | guys is there an SDK for openmoko? |
| 17:27.59 | alberto | OK found it. |
| 17:28.07 | Kaloz | http://www.forbes.com/businesswire/feeds/businesswire/2008/01/03/businesswire20080103005343r1.html |
| 17:28.16 | Kaloz | so it's now 500MHz? |
| 17:28.18 | mickeyl | bedboi: there's a toolchain |
| 17:28.35 | mickeyl | bedboi: and you can develop in multiple ways, see wiki |
| 17:28.35 | Kaloz | mickeyl: does this mean at the end someone realized armv4 sucks in 2997/8? ;) |
| 17:28.36 | mickeyl | host-based |
| 17:28.38 | mickeyl | or cross |
| 17:28.46 | bedboi | host-based? |
| 17:28.47 | Kaloz | s/2997/2007/ |
| 17:28.48 | Kaloz | :p |
| 17:28.50 | SpeedEvil | Oh yeah - I thought it had been announced as 400 |
| 17:28.55 | mickeyl | well |
| 17:28.57 | mickeyl | please please |
| 17:29.01 | mickeyl | forget that you read 500 |
| 17:29.06 | mickeyl | think 400 |
| 17:29.09 | mickeyl | and don't ask |
| 17:29.13 | Kaloz | mickeyl: i want to forget you stil lwant armv4 :PPPP |
| 17:29.27 | SpeedEvil | I'm holding that as a guarantee that it'll overclock :) |
| 17:29.35 | mickeyl | it's armv4 |
| 17:29.38 | mickeyl | still samsung s3c |
| 17:29.39 | Moniker42 | i know the topic says "don't ask about the GTA02" but is March a real release date this time or another theoretical pencilled in possibility? :) |
| 17:29.51 | Kaloz | mickeyl: evne samsung s3c has armv5 ;P |
| 17:29.59 | CVirus | Moniker42: the latter I guess |
| 17:30.00 | mickeyl | ya, but not the one we use |
| 17:30.07 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. Can you expand on what's going on with the current testing mickeyl? |
| 17:30.10 | Moniker42 | i once remember thinking "well it can't possibly be so late that i can't get it for christmas at the end of 2007" |
| 17:30.17 | Kaloz | mickeyl: hence I got my hopes up reading 500MHz ;) |
| 17:30.21 | mickeyl | SpeedEvil: unfortunately not. i must confess i'm a bit out of the loop here in .de |
| 17:30.32 | mickeyl | Kaloz: no, still s3c24 |
| 17:30.36 | SpeedEvil | Does there exist a revision of the board that's got the known bugs fixed? |
| 17:30.40 | Kaloz | :/ |
| 17:30.53 | SpeedEvil | Or is that still being held off till the video and wifi are more fully tested. |
| 17:30.59 | mickeyl | Kaloz: you won't expect an incompatiblöe CPU change shortly before a launch will you? |
| 17:31.05 | Kaloz | half of the routers here are faster than that :/ |
| 17:31.11 | mickeyl | SpeedEvil: still being held off |
| 17:31.18 | Kaloz | mickeyl: armv5 is halrdy incompatible |
| 17:31.29 | Kaloz | mickeyl: worst cxase it would run the same binaries faster |
| 17:31.29 | mickeyl | Kaloz: think form-factor |
| 17:31.31 | mickeyl | think pinout |
| 17:31.35 | mickeyl | don't think architecture |
| 17:31.45 | cjb_ie | think delay loops? |
| 17:31.48 | SpeedEvil | At the moment any changes are scary |
| 17:31.51 | Kaloz | well, irrc 2440 is pin compatible with 2410 |
| 17:31.53 | Kaloz | or what it was |
| 17:32.00 | mickeyl | yes |
| 17:32.03 | mickeyl | that's why we could use it |
| 17:32.08 | SpeedEvil | The current 2 hardware is at its 4th revision. |
| 17:32.08 | alberto | mickeyl: I've found and removed the openmoko-terminal2 directory. |
| 17:32.14 | Kaloz | SpeedEvil: well, at the moment not changing is scary as well |
| 17:32.26 | SpeedEvil | if you change anything non-trivial, you can induce more bugs. |
| 17:32.42 | SpeedEvil | A new non-pin-compatible CPU is basically 1/2 a complete redesign. |
| 17:32.48 | Moniker42 | that's the eternal software development problem, isn't it? |
| 17:32.52 | Kaloz | SpeedEvil: most of the new toys are armv6 (arm11) now, and cortex toys are in the pipeline, too |
| 17:32.53 | mickeyl | alberto: good. next, you may edit a filename in packages/uboot |
| 17:32.58 | Moniker42 | and to fix those bugs you might need to change more non-trivial things... |
| 17:33.05 | mickeyl | alberto: it was renamed to u-boot-<foo> |
| 17:33.11 | mickeyl | from uboot-<foo> |
| 17:33.17 | mickeyl | and the OM tree probably didn't catch up yet |
| 17:33.28 | SpeedEvil | kaz: I know. I want someone to do something like microchip - with their 'flex' pin layouts. |
| 17:33.37 | alberto | mickeyl: OK, thk |
| 17:33.41 | mickeyl | np |
| 17:33.48 | matsimoto | I cannot find ogg123 in my 2007.11 Snapshot. Is it gone ? |
| 17:34.13 | SpeedEvil | kaz: instead of being able to choose between GPIO and serial for a port, for example, you can map any peripheral to a pin. |
| 17:35.03 | CVirus | mickeyl: Where did the name FreeRunner come from :-) ? |
| 17:35.10 | mickeyl | CVirus: i have no idea |
| 17:35.19 | CVirus | LOL |
| 17:35.22 | mickeyl | i know since today |
| 17:35.22 | Kaloz | CVirus: run for your money *g* |
| 17:35.24 | mickeyl | like you |
| 17:35.24 | Kaloz | ;) |
| 17:35.33 | CVirus | mickeyl: who called it then ? |
| 17:35.35 | alberto | mickeyl: Which file ? I've posted the list in http://celpaste.morb-design.com/pastebin.php?show=m5dcc48a8 |
| 17:35.56 | mickeyl | CVirus: no idea, i suspect, the president, the vice president of marketing, or the product manager |
| 17:36.02 | mickeyl | or all three |
| 17:36.28 | CVirus | I get it |
| 17:37.10 | mickeyl | alberto: hmm d'oh, you're missing uboot-openmoko.bb |
| 17:37.16 | mickeyl | don't ask me why |
| 17:37.41 | mickeyl | is this the result of a 'find' ? |
| 17:37.42 | alberto | You are right. |
| 17:38.06 | alberto | I also did find . -name "*uboot-openmoko.bb*" -print |
| 17:38.12 | alberto | And no result. |
| 17:38.18 | Kaloz | mickeyl: hmz - for me it seems the 2410 isn't pin comaptible with the 2440, but with the 2412 |
| 17:38.23 | Kaloz | mickeyl: weird |
| 17:38.41 | alberto | Is should be there, isn't it ? |
| 17:39.41 | Kaloz | SpeedEvil: so the gta02 has a not-pin-compatible cpu upgrade ;) |
| 17:40.10 | mickeyl | Kaloz: the decision to choose a component depends on a multitude of factors |
| 17:40.42 | alberto | mickeyl: But I have this file: ./openembedded/packages/uboot/uboot-openmoko_svn.bb |
| 17:40.55 | alberto | and this one: ./openembedded/packages/uboot/uboot-openmoko_1.2.0+gitf34024d4a328e6edd906456da98d2c537155c4f7+svn2943.bb |
| 17:41.09 | Kaloz | mickeyl: I know, just weird that you went redesigning a product to use another (faster but still obsolete) core :) anyways, I hope it will succeed, don't get me wrong |
| 17:42.16 | ljp | obsolete is an overused word |
| 17:42.16 | mickeyl | alberto: try to rename them to u-boot-openmoko |
| 17:42.35 | mickeyl | Kaloz: do you know when hardware design started? |
| 17:42.38 | alberto | With .bb at the end ? |
| 17:42.56 | mickeyl | alberto: just change uboot to u-boot, everything else leave |
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| 17:43.33 | Kaloz | ljp: overused/cruel/etc, but still fits most of the time |
| 17:43.35 | alberto | mickeyl: done |
| 17:43.58 | Kaloz | mickeyl: I can guess so but the decision on bumping the cpu happened later |
| 17:44.11 | alberto | Shall I make the image, now ? |
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| 17:45.48 | ljp | obsolete means no longer in use. if the freerunner uses something, its not obsolete |
| 17:47.59 | Kaloz | wouldn't you call an 5x86 core obsolete either now? ;) |
| 17:48.20 | ljp | if its still in use, no |
| 17:49.35 | ljp | would you call a canoe obsolete? |
| 17:50.53 | mickeyl | alberto: sure, go ahead and try |
| 17:51.09 | alberto | It seems to work!! |
| 17:51.18 | alberto | Now is building the locales ... |
| 17:51.56 | mickeyl | good |
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| 17:54.11 | alberto | mickeyl: I suppose you build everything by hand, w/out the moko makefile, do you ? |
| 17:54.49 | mickeyl | yes. i never used mokomakefile. i'm one of the founders of OpenEmbedded and BitBake, i'm a bit too used to using 'bitbake' instead of 'make' |
| 17:55.20 | mickeyl | hmm too many usages of 'using' in the previous sentence |
| 17:55.21 | mickeyl | heh |
| 17:55.39 | CoreDump | =) |
| 17:56.09 | alberto | I suppose I can learn how they work (O.E + bitbake) from their web sites ? |
| 17:56.17 | alberto | Or is there a tutorial ? |
| 17:56.32 | mickeyl | the wiki is pretty detailed |
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| 17:56.39 | mickeyl | e.g. GettingStarted on openembedded.org |
| 17:56.51 | mickeyl | but don't get me wrong, mokomakefile is cool |
| 17:56.58 | mickeyl | if all you want is building |
| 17:57.06 | alberto | yes, it worked before Xmas. |
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| 17:57.30 | alberto | I would like to build the image and then start to write some small programs |
| 17:57.36 | mwester | Of course, the problems that alberto was experiencing would also be encountered by those who are *NOT* using the MokoMakefile either - be fair. |
| 17:57.58 | alberto | We would like to use the moko for the remote monitoring of our experiment |
| 17:58.13 | alberto | (It's a neutrino experiment in Gran Sasso) |
| 17:58.21 | mwester | Those issues are OE issues, not the MokoMakefile -- the makefile knows nothing at all of .bb files and such. |
| 17:59.17 | alberto | Indeed, I think the makefile is really cool... |
| 17:59.47 | alberto | But I understand that the full distribution is "unstable" (a'la debian ...) |
| 18:00.05 | alberto | So today it compiles, and tomorrow it doesn't |
| 18:00.34 | mickeyl | well, that's why it pulls from monotone.openmoko.org |
| 18:00.38 | mickeyl | not from openembedded.org |
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| 18:08.16 | bedboi | mickeyl: i'm trying to crosscompile using the toolchain but om-config is failing |
| 18:08.25 | bedboi | configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 18:08.49 | bedboi | of course i've run source /usr/local/openmoko/arm/setup-env |
| 18:09.32 | mickeyl | examine config.log |
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| 18:11.23 | mmontour | alberto: It's strange that you had that u-boot/uboot problem. The MokoMakefile that I'm using will try to build it using both names. Are you sure you're using the most recent version? |
| 18:11.36 | alberto | Yes. |
| 18:11.47 | alberto | I downloaded it three hours ago |
| 18:11.58 | mmontour | From which URL? |
| 18:12.03 | alberto | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.15 | alberto | I've found it on the openmoko wiki |
| 18:13.12 | mmontour | The "make update-makefile" target in my version downloads from http://svn.nslu2-linux.org/svnroot/mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile |
| 18:13.49 | alberto | On the wiki it says to get it from the first URL |
| 18:13.59 | alberto | and if it did not work, from the second |
| 18:14.15 | alberto | Actually, I also tried the update-makefile make command |
| 18:14.29 | alberto | And at the end I started everything from scratch. |
| 18:16.01 | alberto | mmontour: Actually, while downloading from the first address it fails |
| 18:16.12 | mmontour | The timestamp on the www.rwhitby.net version is "26-Feb-2007" so I suspect the wiki may be out of date, but it's really a question for rwhitby himself. |
| 18:16.15 | alberto | and than it gets it form http://svn.nslu2-linux.org/svnroot/mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile |
| 18:16.55 | alberto | mmountour: indeed I got it from "your" address |
| 18:18.19 | alberto | Shall I write to Rod Whitby ? |
| 18:18.41 | alberto | or maybe he reads on this channel... |
| 18:19.05 | matsimoto | Is there a possibility left to play an ogg file from the command line in 2007.11 ? |
| 18:19.16 | mmontour | He's often on this channel. |
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| 18:19.24 | bedboi | mickeyl: ah, ccache is missing |
| 18:19.57 | alberto | mickeyl, mmontour: IT FAILED AGAIN !!!! :( |
| 18:20.13 | alberto | It tells me: |
| 18:20.21 | alberto | ERROR: '/data3/omoko/openembedded/packages/openmoko2/openmoko-terminal2_svn.bb' failed |
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| 18:20.52 | Moniker42 | there are over 300 people in this channel, but it's not more active that one with 100 people |
| 18:20.56 | mmontour | My MokoMakefile has this logic: ( bitbake openmoko-devel-image uboot-openmoko ) || ( bitbake openmoko-devel-image u-boot-openmoko ) so it should handle either u-boot name |
| 18:20.57 | alberto | I thought I removed the file ... |
| 18:21.16 | Moniker42 | i'm betting most others (like me) are just keeping tabs on the release date and want to order a gta02 as soon as it is released |
| 18:21.23 | mickeyl | alberto: fetching now probably works, but there are still some updates |
| 18:21.38 | mickeyl | alberto: copy the file from org.oe.dev over the one you have atm. |
| 18:21.38 | alberto | OK ... Shall I start from scratch ? |
| 18:21.42 | mickeyl | no need |
| 18:21.48 | mickeyl | just use the file from org.oe.dve |
| 18:22.01 | alberto | You mean the terminal2* ? |
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| 18:22.38 | alberto | (Sorry, but I'm new, and I still have to understand which file and form where is needed) |
| 18:23.22 | mickeyl | well |
| 18:23.32 | mickeyl | ideally nothing of this hand tweaking is necessary |
| 18:23.45 | mickeyl | but i guess the OM build guys just had bad luck this time |
| 18:23.54 | mickeyl | picking an inconsistent state of org.oe.dev |
| 18:24.08 | alberto | So just a make update will do it ? |
| 18:24.10 | mickeyl | all problems have been fixed in OE since then |
| 18:24.17 | mickeyl | depends on where make update pulls |
| 18:24.25 | mickeyl | perhaps they have been fixed |
| 18:24.29 | mickeyl | just try |
| 18:24.38 | mickeyl | if not, you may try to grab the offending files from org.oe.dev |
| 18:24.39 | alberto | OK |
| 18:24.43 | mickeyl | http://openembedded.org |
| 18:24.52 | mickeyl | -> browse tree |
| 18:25.15 | mickeyl | or use monotone to check out a copy from org.oe.dev. may be more handy than browsing through the web |
| 18:26.47 | alberto | mmontour: My make file is doing: ( cd build && . ../setup-env && \ |
| 18:26.47 | alberto | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.47 | alberto | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:32.08 | magellan | is it possible to restart the UI over ssh, similar to startx |
| 18:32.12 | magellan | ? |
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| 18:35.03 | libervisco | Are there any images of FreeRunner? |
| 18:35.25 | libervisco | or any further infos anywhere.. something to feast on :P |
| 18:37.42 | CoreDump | magellan: /etc/init.d/x-something |
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| 18:39.35 | magellan | coredump: my neo boots but gets stuck at the OM screen with "please wait ..." displayed |
| 18:39.48 | CoreDump | oh |
| 18:40.06 | CoreDump | chvt 1 ;) |
| 18:40.15 | magellan | I can ping and ssh it but can't get to the UI, I can't figure out what is haning it up |
| 18:41.45 | mmontour | magellan: /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart |
| 18:42.02 | magellan | thanks, lets see if this works |
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| 18:44.27 | magellan | nope failed. I've screwed up my build under mokomakefile |
| 18:44.41 | magellan | I think I quilted something wrong |
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| 18:55.13 | wurp2 | magellan: I get that sometimes |
| 18:55.26 | wurp2 | because I made /home/root a symlink to /media/card/home/root |
| 18:55.43 | torpor | 404: NOTE: fetch http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/openmoko-terminal2_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target.OM-2007.2.applications_3542_.tar.gz |
| 18:55.44 | wurp2 | So I get the hanging at Please wait... when I have a new card in it |
| 18:55.47 | torpor | anyone got that file handy? |
| 18:56.00 | magellan | not getting past "Please wait..."? |
| 18:56.06 | wurp2 | Right |
| 18:56.17 | wurp2 | I get that as a symptom when /home/root isn't there |
| 18:56.38 | wurp2 | which happens to me because I put /home/root as a symlink on the sd card, and sometimes I have a new card in there |
| 18:56.55 | wurp2 | anyway, I just wanted to bring it up as something to think about in case you have a similar situation |
| 18:57.21 | magellan | well /home/root is there and I don't have a symlink for it. |
| 18:57.44 | magellan | but thanks anyway |
| 18:58.14 | mmontour | alberto: the www.rwhitby.net URL is OK. That webserver redirects to the nslu2-linux.org version. |
| 18:58.15 | bedboi | is still http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Information_Dialog not implemented? |
| 18:58.28 | magellan | right now Ive started a make clean make openmoko-devel-image |
| 18:58.35 | magellan | so Im pretty much starting over |
| 18:58.40 | alberto | mmontour: Thanks, I verified it, too. |
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| 20:07.04 | ScaredyCat | seriously, who came up with 'freerunner' |
| 20:07.13 | wurp2 | :-) |
| 20:07.41 | wurp2 | I wonder based on mickeyl's response if it is yet another release or something |
| 20:07.50 | wurp2 | he kind of waffled on the 400/500 mhz issue |
| 20:08.09 | kdean06 | ScaredyCat, I assure you it will "sell" better than NeoSomeNumberThatMeansNothingToMostPeople |
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| 20:08.53 | wurp2 | that's probably true too, regardless of how lame it is |
| 20:09.01 | ScaredyCat | !logs |
| 20:09.01 | cdbot2 | Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: |
| 20:09.02 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko |
| 20:09.03 | cdbot2 | Live-logs are available at |
| 20:09.04 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog |
| 20:09.05 | kinneh | ScaredyCat: I agree, not so good name ... |
| 20:09.06 | wurp2 | I know at home we just call it the neo |
| 20:09.06 | cdbot2 | See ?? help-logs for usage instructions |
| 20:09.24 | ScaredyCat | neoneo |
| 20:09.42 | wurp2 | neo2 |
| 20:09.53 | wurp2 | or just neo, with the developer's version falling into obscurity |
| 20:10.11 | rwhitby | alberto: http://www.rwhitby.net/files/openmoko/Makefile is an apache redirect to http://svn.nslu2-linux.org/svnroot/mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile |
| 20:11.26 | ScaredyCat | kdean06: I doubt the name will make any difference. To be frank, the 'consumer' isn;t going to be your average person |
| 20:12.18 | wurp2 | Hopefully eventually it will be :-) |
| 20:13.45 | ScaredyCat | reading the backlog it just seems that this is a press release just to be sure people haven't forgotten about the project... |
| 20:14.19 | ajbrun | which is the press release? |
| 20:14.35 | kdean06 | I'm not sure there is a such thing as an "average" customer. |
| 20:14.52 | wurp2 | yeah, I'm sure the press release is just another heads up |
| 20:15.05 | wurp2 | It did interest me to see them commit in a press release to the 850mhz version |
| 20:15.28 | wurp2 | Although frankly when I ordered my neo, the reply I got told me that they were putting out such a version |
| 20:15.35 | kdean06 | The goal, as I understand it, is to make a decently usable phone powered by Free Software. That last part won't mean much to a lot of people but it being expandable, decently cheap and sexy looking WILL sell units assuming FIC doesn't totally botch this thing. |
| 20:16.00 | wurp2 | And I also thought it was interesting that they talk about doing gestures with the accelerometer. I had thought of that, but I didn't realize there were already plans in the works for it. |
| 20:17.12 | wurp2 | kdean06: I don't really think a lot of end users will jump on it at first, but being open & linux compatible means LOTS of software for it, and no paying for ring tones & lots of free games, which will attract users |
| 20:18.03 | wurp2 | I just hope someone with the money to spend on it will spend some time prettifying the GUIs of the open softare on it and perhaps putting it together as a coherent & beautiful package |
| 20:18.08 | wurp2 | a la iphone |
| 20:18.22 | kdean06 | wurp2, I agree. I think the largest market are the people who might, when they need a new one. I'm sure in the next 3 years iPhone's numbers will double from what they are simply for the people who like the idea, but aren't willing to shell out that much for it. |
| 20:19.16 | ajbrun | anyone got the link to the press release? I think I must have missed it when reading up |
| 20:19.55 | wurp2 | You can look in the logs for #openmoko today on the web; search for 'press release' |
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| 20:22.25 | kdean06 | I'll have to wait until I get my Neo but from what I've seen thus far, OpenMoko is one of the most unified "distros" I've seen. |
| 20:23.53 | ScaredyCat | actually,... |
| 20:24.26 | ScaredyCat | gizmodo is the only source I can find. It's not even on FIC's site, or openmoko.com |
| 20:24.31 | mmontour | Here's a copy of the press release: http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20080103005343&newsLang=en |
| 20:25.21 | ScaredyCat | ta |
| 20:26.17 | ScaredyCat | still seems odd that FIC don;t have their press release on their press releases page |
| 20:26.19 | mmontour | Whoever maintains www.openmoko.com might want to update the "Latest on OpenMoko" section - the last article is from July 20, 2007. |
| 20:26.35 | ScaredyCat | yeah... old. |
| 20:26.47 | mmontour | mstevens: did you update your u-boot? |
| 20:27.47 | mstevens | mmontour: yep |
| 20:28.12 | mstevens | mmontour: mmontour that part I think is okay, I can get to the boot menu and it's definitely the updated one |
| 20:28.15 | kdean06 | FIC seems quite slow to do things. |
| 20:28.30 | kdean06 | It doesn't surprise me that Gizmodo moves faster on it than they do. :P |
| 20:28.44 | mmontour | In that case it's not bricked. Can you boot from the u-boot menu? |
| 20:29.18 | mstevens | mmontour: I'm just fiddling with the u-boot menu trying to do the serial console thing |
| 20:29.34 | ahven | try to boot from there |
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| 20:29.39 | alberto | mickeyl, mmontour: Compilation of openmoko terminated and failed again :( |
| 20:29.50 | alberto | I get the same two errors: |
| 20:29.59 | mmontour | Bug 887 can cause a hang on boot, bug 799 will crash if you try to boot from the SD card |
| 20:30.06 | mstevens | it gets as far as the boot splash screen, then nothing |
| 20:30.08 | alberto | complaining about missing openmoko-terminal2-2.1.1+svnr3542-r2 |
| 20:30.29 | kinneh | ScaredyCat: isn't the pressrelease supposed to be released in CES ? |
| 20:30.50 | alberto | No actually, it is the only error i get (but it is fatal) |
| 20:31.09 | mstevens | cu: open (/dev/ttyACM0): Permission denied |
| 20:32.37 | mmontour | mstevens: 'cu' wants you to be a member of the 'uucp' group or something. I usually use 'screen /dev/ttyACM0' instead. |
| 20:33.17 | Robot101 | screen ftw |
| 20:33.34 | alberto | mstevens: just type: chown uucp.uucp /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 20:33.48 | alberto | mstevens: and afterwards cu should work |
| 20:34.37 | alberto | may I ask for some help in getting the images built with the openmoko makefile ? |
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| 20:34.52 | alberto | Has anybody built yesterday night or today ? |
| 20:35.41 | alberto | Probably I should read how monotone and OE work and understand packages dependencies and repositories .... |
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| 20:40.25 | mmontour | alberto: Can you 'pastebin' the exact error message and some of the text leading up to it? |
| 20:40.39 | alberto | mmountour: OK ... |
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| 20:42.10 | alberto | mmountour: Here is the link: http://celpaste.morb-design.com/pastebin.php?show=d37de2d2b |
| 20:43.02 | alberto | Afterwards I tried again the full chain: make setup update openmoko-devel-image |
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| 20:43.32 | alberto | But again it complains it cannot fetch openmoko-terminal2-2.1.1+svnr3542-r2 |
| 20:44.12 | mstevens | ooh! |
| 20:44.16 | mstevens | I made my first phone call! |
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| 20:45.42 | mstevens | it seems to boot fine from the u-boot menu, but not directly |
| 20:46.16 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 20:47.33 | starox | Is it normal that neod take 3M in memory ? |
| 20:48.55 | starox | It seems a lot, I'll look at sources |
| 20:49.21 | ajbrun | it's not really that much is it? |
| 20:49.23 | starox | (Don't try Openmoko with 32Megs ...) |
| 20:49.48 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.01 | starox | SpeedEvil: thanks. |
| 20:50.07 | balrog-kun | mstevens: there's a patch for tht i believe |
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| 20:50.14 | balrog-kun | on bugzilla |
| 20:50.30 | starox | I don't know what the purpose of neod, I was thinking of it like another dbus ... |
| 20:50.32 | SpeedEvil | (image of last week or so) |
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| 21:00.06 | mmontour | alberto: sorry, I don't recognize that error. Maybe someone else can help. |
| 21:00.51 | alberto | mmontour: Thanks, anyway! |
| 21:01.44 | mmontour | balrog-kun: I put a patch for #887 on bugzilla that works for me, but mickey said it made the problem worse on his neo. It would be good if a few other people could look at it (and at the #799 patch) |
| 21:02.27 | SpeedEvil | !bug 887 |
| 21:02.36 | SpeedEvil | what is it? |
| 21:02.53 | mmontour | !ombug 887 |
| 21:02.55 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 887, Status: ASSIGNED, Created: Unknown |
| 21:02.56 | cdbot2 | * * mickey(AT)vanille-media.de: U-Boot initialization race condition: Hangs on boot |
| 21:02.57 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=887 |
| 21:03.03 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 21:04.05 | mmontour | "887" may actually be a few different bugs with the same symptom (hanging at the splash screen on boot) |
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| 21:11.09 | mwester | ~patebin |
| 21:11.09 | apt | hmm... patebin is your friend |
| 21:11.12 | mwester | ~pastebin |
| 21:11.12 | apt | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
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| 21:17.37 | balrog-kun | mmontour: oh, that's the patch i was referring to |
| 21:18.28 | balrog-kun | mmontour: i was just looking at #1155 now, but it seems the gdb symbols are bogus because usock.c:661 is far outside network_opers_parse |
| 21:19.03 | balrog-kun | mmontour: i suppose you didn't modify usock.c to avoid bug #1154? |
| 21:20.07 | balrog-kun | it seems like the mlbuf is getting corrupt somewhere in atcmd.c because in the call to network_opers_cb the value is already wrong in the backtrace, but i don't know if we can trust the backtrace |
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| 21:26.18 | rtp | balrog-kun: I'm at home and I've a fix with my neo. Do you still look for someone to test your gps stuff ? |
| 21:27.31 | balrog-kun | rtp: yes, i even uploaded a ready to use binary now :) |
| 21:29.12 | balrog-kun | oh, let me make a replacement script and upload it too |
| 21:29.14 | ljp | are there any feeds with the 2.6.23.1 kernel+modules? |
| 21:32.23 | balrog-kun | ok, done |
| 21:32.56 | balrog-kun | rtp: can you test my gllin hack? |
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| 21:33.16 | rtp | balrog-kun: sure. What's the url ? |
| 21:33.57 | balrog-kun | rtp: the script is at http://folks.o-hand.com/andrew/gllin.ld4 and the loader at http://folks.o-hand.com/andrew/ld4 |
| 21:34.10 | balrog-kun | they need to both be placed in the gllin directory and made executable |
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| 21:35.01 | balrog-kun | then ./gllin.ld4 should run gllin as usually, just without using the chroot |
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| 21:36.07 | balrog-kun | if i made no mistake in the script... |
| 21:37.01 | SpeedEvil | where is the gps package normally? |
| 21:37.26 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 21:41.28 | SpeedEvil | balrog-kun: should it turn the GPS on? |
| 21:41.50 | mmontour | balrog-kun: I think we must have different source trees. My line 661 is in that function: |
| 21:41.58 | balrog-kun | SpeedEvil: yes, if it doesn't segfault before :p |
| 21:42.12 | mmontour | if (n < 10 || str[n - 1] != ')') |
| 21:42.23 | balrog-kun | SpeedEvil: it's supposed to work exactly like the provided script |
| 21:42.32 | SpeedEvil | I've never used that |
| 21:42.33 | balrog-kun | i mean the one from ipkg |
| 21:43.12 | balrog-kun | i never ran it either, but i had a look at it |
| 21:43.20 | balrog-kun | mmontour: lemme re-checkout |
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| 21:43.59 | balrog-kun | mmontour: this is line 807 in current svn |
| 21:47.11 | rtp | balrog-kun: I've theses messages : http://rafb.net/p/kRPyBC35.html do you get them ? |
| 21:47.51 | balrog-kun | rtp: yes, this is ok |
| 21:48.07 | balrog-kun | unless that's all you get |
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| 21:50.20 | rtp | balrog-kun: no, I'm getting something on /tmp/nmeaNP but the gps doesn't seem to work. |
| 21:50.56 | balrog-kun | rtp: i see :( |
| 21:51.22 | balrog-kun | rtp: do you get nonsense in /tmp/nmeaNP or just no fix indication? |
| 21:51.53 | SpeedEvil | balrog-kun: I suggest something like gzip -1 >/media/card/`date "+%s"`.strace.gz |
| 21:52.45 | balrog-kun | SpeedEvil: this script is a copy of the original script from OpenMoko with just the chroot invocation replaced |
| 21:52.53 | SpeedEvil | ah - right |
| 21:52.53 | rtp | it looks like when the gps is trying to find a satellite. the time in the gpgga frame does not change |
| 21:53.34 | balrog-kun | rtp: this is supposed to be time of the last fix, |
| 21:53.42 | balrog-kun | so if there's no new fix i think it shouldn't change |
| 21:53.59 | mmontour | balrog-kun: looks like there were some gsmd checkins this morning that added code to usock.c (I build at tested last night, Canada/Pacific timezone) |
| 21:54.32 | balrog-kun | mmontour: i see |
| 21:54.33 | rtp | afaik as soon you have a satellite, the time is set to current time and changing even if you have no fix |
| 21:54.58 | balrog-kun | mmontour: so probably n is 0 (because the parsed string is rubbish) and n - 1 evaulates to -1 |
| 21:55.50 | balrog-kun | rtp: are there any satellites in the GPGSA sentences? |
| 21:56.07 | balrog-kun | it was seeing none on my neo (but it was indoor) |
| 21:56.18 | SpeedEvil | ah - I needed I think to +x ld4 |
| 21:56.27 | SpeedEvil | or not |
| 21:56.35 | SpeedEvil | doesn't seem to start fgllin |
| 21:56.37 | balrog-kun | SpeedEvil: both files need to be executable |
| 21:56.40 | mmontour | balrog-kun: Yes, probably something like that but I haven't had time to look at it in detail |
| 21:57.23 | rtp | balrog-kun: i've restarted the gllin.ld4 script. I don't get anything at all on the nmeaNP pipe now :( |
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| 21:57.57 | balrog-kun | rtp: strange |
| 21:58.25 | SpeedEvil | balrog-kun: it never (with both files +x) seems to start the gps |
| 21:58.34 | SpeedEvil | the original script does |
| 21:59.21 | balrog-kun | i'm afraid there may be some floating point errors introduced by ld4 and that may hose gllin interaction with the hammerhead (which needs very exact directions) and it's unable to do its job right |
| 21:59.45 | balrog-kun | oh well, i'll need to do some more work on it, just don't have time now |
| 22:00.45 | SpeedEvil | "/ |
| 22:00.48 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 22:01.18 | rtp | balrog-kun: ok |
| 22:01.27 | balrog-kun | thanks for the testing though |
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| 22:02.44 | rtp | you're welcome :) |
| 22:09.25 | mmontour | balrog-kun: I'll take a look at your 'ld4' this weekend if I have time. Is there source available? |
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| 22:10.37 | balrog-kun | mmontour: yes, although it will be in heavy restructuring when i have time |
| 22:10.50 | balrog-kun | mmontour: source is at http://folks.o-hand.com/andrew/schwartz.git |
| 22:10.55 | Blafasel | Hi there. Quick question: Any idea why the OpenMoko "FreeRunner" release isn't mentionend on the openmoko.(org|com) site? |
| 22:11.44 | balrog-kun | mmontour: i plan a write-up how it works and how to use it, just want to get gllin running first |
| 22:11.50 | balrog-kun | there's zero documentation now |
| 22:12.11 | balrog-kun | s/how/on how/ |
| 22:15.55 | Blafasel | But this FreeRunner _is_ the GTA02 model, right? Hmm.. |
| 22:16.40 | mjr | yes, it appears to be the market name for it |
| 22:17.40 | Blafasel | mjr: Thanks |
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| 22:23.29 | mwester | What's the technical name for the connector for the GPS on the Neo? Is that an "MCX"? |
| 22:23.57 | mmontour | balrog-kun: thanks, I'll take a look at it later. I'm used to "zero documentation" when it comes to the Hammerhead. :) |
| 22:25.51 | balrog-kun | mmontour: :p |
| 22:26.53 | balrog-kun | actually it may be useful in the reverse engineering of gllin but it doesn't attempt to do the reverse engineering alone |
| 22:27.11 | balrog-kun | it provides higher level output than strace |
| 22:27.54 | balrog-kun | like values passed by glling to strlen, strcpy and other external functions |
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| 22:31.04 | mmontour | Yes, that might be useful. I'll have to see if I can merge any of it with one of my utilities that intercepts+modifies the packets exchanged between gllin and the HH |
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| 22:34.16 | rtp | balrog-kun: I'm sorry but git doesn't like your repository :( |
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| 22:42.27 | balrog-kun | rtp: indeed, sorry, i needed to run git-update-server-info |
| 22:42.47 | balrog-kun | should work now, i never had this error issue before |
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| 22:45.13 | rtp | balrog-kun: it's working. Thanks. Btw, what about using git.o-hand.com ? :) |
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| 22:49.33 | thomasg | hm, is there a tar.bz2/gz archive of the kernel patchset, too? |
| 22:50.48 | thseiler | pardon my ignorance, but why do i need to shut down the gsmd if i want to start a pppd/gprs connection ? |
| 22:51.26 | balrog-kun | rtp: good idea, i'll ask about it, but after i get gllin to run |
| 22:53.25 | thseiler | doesn't the modem supports TS 07.10 multiplex ? |
| 22:53.58 | mwester | thseiler: The modem does. gsmd doesn't. |
| 22:54.52 | thseiler | mwester: ah, ok. What is the plan, add this to gsmd ? |
| 22:55.10 | thseiler | mwester: and provide a socked for pppd ? |
| 22:56.23 | mwester | I confess that I don't know the plan; I've chosen to step back a bit from this project for the past weeks. But as of 4 weeks ago, there was general community agreement that an alternate implementation of gsmd that would support muxing was required. |
| 22:57.29 | mwester | At that time, it was also felt that the current gsmd could not be rewritten to do muxing. Yet work continues on the un-muxable gsmd -- so I have absolutely no idea what the plan is!! |
| 22:59.50 | balrog-kun | gsmd could easily do muxing and i partially implemented that but later was told that the muxing should be done in the kernel only |
| 23:00.46 | balrog-kun | and it makes sense because muxing in gsmd will be much more cpu intensive and may not keep up with the amount of data in gprs/edge |
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| 23:07.11 | thseiler | that makes sense |
| 23:07.41 | thseiler | i have found references to a kernel driver called mux_cli but no source |
| 23:08.45 | balrog-kun | mux_cli won't work on neo1973 |
| 23:09.01 | thseiler | ok, there is another one, called ts0710.patch |
| 23:10.18 | thseiler | wow this thing is huge |
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| 23:10.50 | balrog-kun | from the openmoko svn? |
| 23:10.53 | balrog-kun | this one has no actual TS0710 in it imlementation iirc :P |
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| 23:11.07 | balrog-kun | *implementation in it |
| 23:12.02 | thseiler | http://svnweb.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/ts0710.patch?rev=2802&sortby=date&view=log |
| 23:12.09 | thomasg | really no official tarball for the kernel patchset? |
| 23:12.28 | thseiler | no idea if this is out-of-date |
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| 23:12.36 | balrog-kun | thseiler: oh, this is the mux_cli code copied as is |
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| 23:12.53 | thseiler | ah, outch |
| 23:13.07 | balrog-kun | LaF0rge: was going to rewrite it but then gave it up i believe |
| 23:13.10 | mickeyl | Happy new year, thomas |
| 23:13.18 | thseiler | Hi mickeyl ! |
| 23:13.26 | thseiler | Happy new year too ! |
| 23:13.41 | balrog-kun | and now Writchie was working on his own kernel implementation, not based on mux_cli, |
| 23:13.47 | mickeyl | re. MUX implementation. I'm waiting for Writchie to release it |
| 23:13.51 | mickeyl | righto |
| 23:13.52 | balrog-kun | but it smelled awfully with vaporware to me |
| 23:14.35 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 23:14.46 | mickeyl | well, no one has seen anything of it yet, yeah |
| 23:14.58 | balrog-kun | i told to Writchie about two months ago and he had no comments |
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| 23:15.07 | balrog-kun | s/told/told it/ |
| 23:15.09 | thseiler | it not an easy thing to do this right |
| 23:15.46 | balrog-kun | thseiler: yeah, i had my attempt on it too and the modem just wasn't responding consistently |
| 23:15.56 | balrog-kun | i suspect the s3c24xx serial driver |
| 23:17.00 | balrog-kun | and btw there was an interesting patch for it posted on LAKML today, fixing the baud rate generation |
| 23:17.12 | mwester | Particularly the HW flow control; it doesn't look very well tested based on some of the issues around it. |
| 23:17.18 | mickeyl | got the URI offhand? |
| 23:17.22 | mwester | I saw that patch too. |
| 23:18.03 | mwester | And another proposal from Ben Dooks just now suggesting that the s3c2410.c file be split up. |
| 23:18.54 | mwester | http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/lurker/thread/20080103.224911.b806f8d1.en.html |
| 23:19.08 | mwester | and http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/lurker/message/20080103.225556.fa1dbbd3.en.html |
| 23:19.25 | balrog-kun | mwester: yep that's it, i couldn't find it in google |
| 23:20.03 | mwester | I didn't do the math to see if 115200 might be an affected baud rate, though. |
| 23:20.28 | balrog-kun | the serial driver also has a bug in no-fifo mode but this isn't used by default in the neo1973 kernel |
| 23:21.40 | mwester | Hmmm... I've been tempted to turn off the hardware fifo so that one could test to see if an issue is related to the HW fifo or not (as in suspend/resume issues that I suspect exist) |
| 23:21.49 | mwester | I guess that would only trigger more problems, huh? |
| 23:22.24 | balrog-kun | mwester: i turned off the fifo it to see if that would make the communication better but it turns out it couldn't keep up with 115200 bps without the fifo |
| 23:22.33 | thseiler | question: is the GSM uart exposed on testpoints, so that one could hook a logic analyzer ? |
| 23:22.52 | balrog-kun | the fix is quite simple for the bug, but im afraid it's inherently slower without fifo |
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| 23:24.00 | thseiler | wasn't it also used for the kernel console ? so it might be available on the debug board... |
| 23:25.02 | mwester | Probably it's wired *after* the chip that does the switching between the console and the modem. |
| 23:25.31 | thseiler | *is* there a switch in the first place ? |
| 23:26.11 | mwester | Yes. There is a switch controlled by a GPIO that switches the serial port from the GSM modem to the console wires. |
| 23:26.35 | thseiler | as per the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debug_Board#Serial_Port |
| 23:26.47 | daMaestro | anyone know if there is work to get OM reading SMS and phone book off SIMs? |
| 23:28.32 | thseiler | to bad... |
| 23:29.28 | thseiler | daMaestro: the libgsmtool is able to read SMS from the sim, but its a shell application. |
| 23:29.53 | thseiler | daMaestro: can't comment on the phonebook |
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| 23:34.27 | thseiler | mickeyl: Is there a way to register another onscreen keyboard ? |
| 23:34.56 | mickeyl | not with the current matchbox input method stuff |
| 23:35.15 | mickeyl | we probably want to use hildon's new IM architecture |
| 23:35.24 | thseiler | so if i want to add another input method, i have to hack it into matchbox-keyboard atm ? |
| 23:35.48 | mickeyl | ah wait |
| 23:35.50 | mickeyl | no |
| 23:35.56 | mickeyl | we already have multiple IMs |
| 23:35.58 | thseiler | yes, that would be a nice thing, don't know how much it ties into other hildon stuff. |
| 23:36.01 | mickeyl | you just can't switch easily |
| 23:36.06 | thseiler | ah |
| 23:36.07 | mickeyl | since the icon is not there |
| 23:36.29 | mickeyl | if you manage to find the right spot, a popup menu should be visible |
| 23:36.38 | mickeyl | right next to the open/close widget IIRC |
| 23:36.53 | mickeyl | at least that's how it was last time i looked at it |
| 23:36.59 | thseiler | ok, something to investigate :-) |
| 23:37.24 | mickeyl | a lot of plans have changed. will you be in Bern ? |
| 23:37.43 | CIA-15 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r26 10/trunk/standards/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.xml: otapi: add service description for org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network |
| 23:38.30 | thseiler | you bet ! |
| 23:38.36 | mickeyl | excellent |
| 23:39.52 | thseiler | i have unfortunately not yet found to time to deeply read trough the freesmartphne.org wiki :-( |
| 23:40.09 | thseiler | s/freesmartphne/freesmartphone |
| 23:40.12 | mickeyl | take your time, it's just kicking off atm. |
| 23:40.26 | Robot101 | mickeyl: have you looked at using telepathy APIs to cover at least call control and messaging? |
| 23:40.29 | mickeyl | i'm working on a first draft of APIs and will launch an RFC soon |
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| 23:41.34 | mickeyl | Robot101: not yet. still on network. call and sms are next. got a link to the best API specs? |
| 23:42.00 | Robot101 | well, the full d-bus API spec is at http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/spec.html |
| 23:42.11 | Robot101 | we could do with some better overview docs but let me know if I can explain stuff to you |
| 23:42.43 | Robot101 | there are already some codebases for using telepathy for SMS, and obviously with the SIP backend using the same API for calling and SMSing is an immediate benefit |
| 23:43.01 | Robot101 | (SMS <- bluetooth -> GSM handset that is) |
| 23:43.02 | mickeyl | is this spec file handcoded or generated from the xml description? |
| 23:43.07 | Robot101 | autogenerated |
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| 23:43.14 | Robot101 | take a look in telepathy-spec |
| 23:43.14 | mickeyl | cool! |
| 23:43.18 | mickeyl | ok, will do |
| 23:43.18 | Robot101 | we have some awesome generation stuff |
| 23:43.28 | mickeyl | nice, i need that |
| 23:43.50 | nox-Hand | Just asking, the Freerunner is that the next OpenMoko phone, or is that the GTA02 (assuming new phone, but only just heard mention of it) |
| 23:44.06 | mickeyl | gta02 |
| 23:44.15 | Robot101 | we generate glib client and service side interfaces, python classes, and HTML docs, from an extended D-Bus introspection format |
| 23:44.17 | nox-Hand | It's the GTA02 |
| 23:44.18 | nox-Hand | Right |
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| 23:45.00 | nox-Hand | Why is it they say on many sites it's just about to be unveiled, I mean we've known of it for ages |
| 23:45.38 | Robot101 | mickeyl: you at any conferences soon? we should chat more :) |
| 23:45.58 | mickeyl | Robot101: cutting down the number of conferences this year |
| 23:46.03 | mickeyl | international only FOSDEM |
| 23:46.07 | thseiler | Robot101: Quick Question: How would you "hook" / intercept a connection request, aka implement some least cost routing / number prefix stuff ? |
| 23:47.04 | Robot101 | thseiler: in telepathy? it would be a layer above. we've been considering some aggregate connection manager utility libraries, so you can actually run several protocols in th ebackend but present them upwards as one in the API, so that might be helpful |
| 23:47.14 | nox-Hand | Ah well |
| 23:47.16 | nox-Hand | Night :) |
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| 23:48.35 | Robot101 | bit would be the same way we'd handle weird stuff like yanoo/MSN actually using SIP to do their calling, or gizmo which has XMPP for roster/presence but SIP for calling |
| 23:48.44 | Robot101 | s/^b// |
| 23:49.14 | Robot101 | allow an intermediary connection manager to implement some policy for combining others, and expose a sane API that behaves as expected to the UIs that use it |
| 23:49.28 | thseiler | Robot101: So at the telephathy level it is already decided if its going to be a GSMcall or a SIP call. |
| 23:49.48 | Robot101 | when it hits the telepathy API of ther GSM backend or the SIP backend, yes |
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| 23:50.16 | thseiler | UI -> connection manager -> telephathy -> backend |
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| 23:50.32 | Robot101 | but if you wanted to export a "phone" backend that made some choices about which to use, you /could/ possibly implement that so that it just looked like another telepathy backend, but chose between SIP or GSM internally |
| 23:51.05 | Robot101 | ah, terminology: telepathy is an API primarily, and a backend that implements the API is called a connection manager |
| 23:52.03 | thseiler | ok yes, i got it wrong |
| 23:53.52 | Robot101 | so it could be: UI(s) -tp-> "phone" CM -tp-> SIP/GSM CM |
| 23:54.20 | Robot101 | but that doesn't necessarily make sense, if you want the UI to show/allow you to choose which is being used, maybe the phone UI could actually know the difference between VOIP and GSM |
| 23:55.02 | Robot101 | given you can only meaningfully have one GSM stack on a phone handset anyway, it's reasonable that the UI might special case its handling a bit |
| 23:55.11 | thseiler | right |
| 23:55.20 | Robot101 | but that any other supported VOIP protocol will be handled by similar code paths too |
| 23:55.31 | Robot101 | we made the telepathy SIP backend work on the iphone |
| 23:55.39 | mickeyl | Robot101: can you comment on using dbus properties vs. "regular" Get methods? |
| 23:55.52 | thseiler | respect... |
| 23:56.30 | Robot101 | mickeyl: d-bus properties are pretty lame IME because they don't have change notifications, don't have readability/writability changes, and are very poorly supported by any bindings |
| 23:56.42 | Robot101 | mickeyl: so we have telepathy properties for stuff such as IRC/MUC settings, and a few other things |
| 23:56.57 | Robot101 | mickeyl: we have Get methods when you might expect the CM to go and do some network requests and stuff to find information out |
| 23:57.15 | Robot101 | properties are more "just there", and we use methods for "go and get something, go and change it" etc |
| 23:57.53 | mickeyl | i see. ok, i will refrain from using them now |
| 23:58.29 | thseiler | a bit like GET / POST distinction with html... |
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