| 00:15.45 | josch | anyone here living in germany who is A) living in germany and can lend me his debug board for my bricked neo or B) is living in germany and can receive my bricked neo to debrick it with his debigboard |
| 00:16.09 | CVirus | wtf is bluetooth GPS ? |
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| 00:18.57 | LittleIdiot | josch: do you happen to live near bochum? ;) |
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| 00:19.31 | josch | well I would pay for the shipping so it doesn't really matter as long as the person lives in germany |
| 00:19.36 | josch | I live in munich |
| 00:20.08 | mjr | CVirus, any gps module that can tell other devices the location over bluetooth |
| 00:20.19 | mjr | (Neo can act as one, for instance) |
| 00:20.48 | josch | CVirus, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#RFCOMM |
| 00:20.50 | CVirus | mjr: you mean other non GPS based devices ? |
| 00:21.36 | CVirus | josch: thanks for the link |
| 00:22.39 | mjr | CVirus, usually |
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| 00:23.25 | CVirus | mjr: Does GPS needs some sort of subscription ? I can't get it to work with my Nokia e61i in Egypt |
| 00:23.29 | CVirus | need* |
| 00:23.56 | mjr | CVirus, doesn't. Some varieties of assisted GPS might not be standalone. Don't know about Nokia. |
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| 00:24.25 | CVirus | The device can't find a GPS satellite ! |
| 00:24.33 | CVirus | I tried with other nokia devices too |
| 00:24.45 | CVirus | no GPS satellite connection |
| 00:24.56 | mjr | did you give it some time under open sky? |
| 00:25.25 | CVirus | how much time ? |
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| 00:25.57 | CVirus | I once got a signal with some Nokia but by noway it could give me my co-ordinates |
| 00:26.10 | CVirus | it always fails |
| 00:26.22 | mjr | depends, 10 minutes should do |
| 00:26.35 | CVirus | hmm |
| 00:27.13 | CVirus | is it possible to get a signal from my room ? |
| 00:27.41 | CVirus | "Searching for GPS Satellites" |
| 00:27.50 | CVirus | "GPS not available" |
| 00:27.53 | mjr | possible, yes, likely, no |
| 00:27.59 | mjr | depends on the room much |
| 00:28.09 | CVirus | I see |
| 00:28.42 | CVirus | but it has already searched and found nuthing ... so I assume it's not even looking for a signal now ... why do I have to wait ? |
| 00:28.46 | mjr | generally you want line of sight to several satellites to be relatively clear |
| 00:28.58 | CVirus | I see |
| 00:28.59 | emdete | if you change the location alot it can take even hours to get a fix... |
| 00:29.31 | CVirus | emdete: would couple of meters make difference ? |
| 00:29.47 | mjr | it needs to get a lock on what sats are up and then get orbital data which is periodically transferred (unless you have network assist, but I assume not) |
| 00:29.49 | emdete | CVirus: not at all. i mean hundrets of kilometers. |
| 00:30.00 | CVirus | ah k |
| 00:30.02 | CVirus | ok* |
| 00:30.30 | emdete | i now would always use a external antenna. i had bad expiriences with my neo. with an ext. antenne it just works fine |
| 00:30.44 | mjr | mine works pretty swell outside |
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| 00:31.35 | mjr | Under semi-treecover and inside vehicles too. In a bus _and_ in a pocket seems to be pushing it. |
| 00:31.48 | mjr | oh, trains are bad :I |
| 00:32.18 | Stephmw | yeah, the old BR trains would be better... wood throughout |
| 00:34.16 | emdete | the internal antenne seems to vary from neo to neo... |
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| 01:02.52 | thomasg | does somebody know if dropbear only listens on usb0 or on all networking devices? |
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| 01:57.52 | xzcvczx | roh: around? |
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| 02:33.28 | roh | xzcvczx bareÃly |
| 02:33.38 | roh | whats up? |
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| 03:07.45 | xzcvczx | what did you use for taking the lcd screen out? |
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| 04:58.22 | mattholimea1 | awww, no cam? |
| 04:58.34 | Mononoke | no |
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| 05:00.41 | mattholimea1 | so, what's the overall feel of the current moko project? How many apps, etc? |
| 05:00.57 | mattholimea1 | current state* of the moko |
| 05:01.18 | mjr | currently rather a work in progress |
| 05:01.27 | mattholimea1 | i looked at the BB a few months ago and it didn't seem like there was much activity going on |
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| 05:05.24 | mattholimea1 | hmm, not a very talkative bunch... |
| 05:08.08 | mattholimea1 | reading the intro "what to and not to expect"... definitely looks like there's some work cut out for people here |
| 05:11.15 | summatusmentis | mattholimea1: as far as I know, the _base_ software is there, but there was/might still be some issues w/ the gsm modem |
| 05:11.32 | summatusmentis | on top of other software just not being implemented yet |
| 05:13.43 | Mononoke | mattholimea1: talkative bunch : lots of people here are from around europe and it's early sunday morning... |
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| 06:36.21 | raddy | Hello Everybody |
| 06:36.24 | raddy | Howdy |
| 06:36.43 | raddy | I don't have reliable internet connection, |
| 06:37.01 | raddy | Is it possible to build openmoko locally |
| 06:37.11 | raddy | Without Network access? |
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| 06:39.06 | raddy | Anybody there???? |
| 06:41.34 | mwester | Nope. Nobody here. It's the middle of the night in Europe. |
| 06:41.47 | mwester | Or at least very very early on a Sunday morning. |
| 06:42.03 | mwester | in answer to your question: No. |
| 06:43.30 | mwester | Theoretically, if everything was fetched previously, and all the versions were set in the sanesrcrev files and all, then one should be able to build without a network connection. But I know from experience that this does not work. |
| 06:44.46 | mwester | For example, there is at least one recipe that downloads data during the "do_configure" step, which is a broken thing to do, but it's low on the list of things to fix. |
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| 09:36.46 | Mononoke | how hard it would be to implement geiger counter into openmoko ? |
| 09:46.22 | _buz | pretty hard |
| 09:47.25 | CoreDump|Zzz | the hardware would have to be pretty small to fit into it ;) |
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| 10:16.49 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 10:17.35 | CoreDump | morning Hopscotch |
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| 13:15.16 | wuffwuff | hi there, anyone on the ccc congress in berlin? |
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| 13:37.45 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: any idea what I could use to try out various map projections? |
| 13:39.15 | CoreDump | does anybody know a good way to stress-test a NIC? |
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| 14:00.07 | balrog-kun | NFS may be a good test |
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| 14:14.59 | raddy | Hello Everybody |
| 14:15.15 | raddy | I don't have network access in my computer |
| 14:15.27 | raddy | can i build openmoko? |
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| 14:23.07 | starox | raddy: I'm not sure, you must download source, but even with that, I think some package do svn/cvs/mtn/git checkouts |
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| 14:26.12 | Stephmw | here's someone who'd know ;) |
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| 14:26.32 | Stephmw | hey mickeyl, "< raddy> I don't have network access in my computer can i build openmoko?" |
| 14:27.12 | goxboxlive | hi mickeyl Looking good right :-) http://www.linuxtogo.org/~goxboxlive/Neo1973/screenshots/RoadGPS.jpg |
| 14:27.37 | mickeyl | raddy: you need a computer with network access to download sources. |
| 14:27.55 | mickeyl | you can build without network access, _if_ you have all sources downloaded |
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| 14:30.25 | starox | Someone is working on a moko manual ? |
| 14:30.45 | starox | I'm on the calculator app and I don't know how to go to main screen :) |
| 14:31.16 | mickeyl | short click on power closes an app |
| 14:31.17 | starox | (It's on a T5 so if I must press a button ... ) |
| 14:31.19 | Sup3rkiddo | starox, click the app name on the top left...a menu should pop up |
| 14:31.21 | starox | Argh ! |
| 14:31.30 | mickeyl | T5? |
| 14:31.39 | starox | Sup3rkiddo: I just have dialer, and calculator ... |
| 14:31.42 | starox | Yes |
| 14:31.51 | starox | palm Tungsten T5 |
| 14:32.18 | starox | Should'nt home be always in the upper menu ? |
| 14:33.22 | starox | (I know it's not a phone ... I just wanted something to test whatever I'll do ... I'm waiting for gta02) |
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| 14:34.08 | mickeyl | ah, there's probably no support for the T5 keys in neod yet |
| 14:34.10 | mickeyl | patches welcome :) |
| 14:34.54 | starox | mickeyl: I'll try ... and do :) |
| 14:35.18 | mickeyl | cool |
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| 14:39.40 | zilux | starox: Graham Williams' manual: http://openmoko.togaware.com/survivor/index.html |
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| 14:52.26 | starox | zilux: thank you |
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| 15:31.26 | thomasg | hm, is there a good gps-monitor on the buildhost that shows the signal of all the satellites? |
| 15:32.08 | ckuethe | it varies by location |
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| 15:39.51 | mwester | Re: Building openmoko without network access: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3374 |
| 15:40.02 | mwester | (g'mornin') |
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| 16:00.20 | nardul | Evening |
| 16:00.29 | ajbrun | afternoon |
| 16:00.46 | nardul | details :P |
| 16:02.22 | Mononoke | anyone from greece around ? |
| 16:02.58 | nardul | How "only for developers" is the phone at the moment? The Neo1973 that is. I read that it is not for open public, but calling me public would be some stretch. Although not at dev level i know a bit. Would it be doable? |
| 16:03.18 | nardul | That is to say, i know nothing of the phone as such. |
| 16:04.50 | dread | nardul: the gta02 might workout, i don't think you would be happy with the gta01 currently sold |
| 16:05.38 | nardul | As in completely not usable? |
| 16:06.23 | thomasg | nardul: not usable as every-day phone |
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| 16:06.49 | nardul | okay. Curses. I'll have to wait for gta02 then. |
| 16:06.56 | thomasg | there's a total lack of powermanagement, so it's not possible to use the neo a half day of work |
| 16:07.05 | nardul | ok |
| 16:07.07 | dread | not, sms messaging works now, placoing and recieving calls works. but in general, the battery-lifetime is to short, to less cpu, missing graphics and last but not least the wifi chip are reasons to wait fir gta02 :) |
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| 16:07.48 | nardul | wifi is overrated :) |
| 16:08.10 | thomasg | yes it is, if umts/wcdma is avaiable :) |
| 16:08.13 | nardul | But true. Just wanted to find out. My current phone is as good as dead. sadly. it'll have to last a few months more. |
| 16:10.32 | NineX | yes but somethink is wrong with dbus-eds |
| 16:11.00 | NineX | sms event are ocours only with usb cable plugged |
| 16:11.37 | dread | uh, i haven't unplugged my neo for a while.... |
| 16:12.11 | NineX | my neo works without charging about 6 ~ 8h |
| 16:12.15 | NineX | so... |
| 16:12.30 | NineX | i think there is a lot of work to do... |
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| 16:13.40 | nardul | No kidding :) The question is. Is it being done? |
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| 16:47.44 | Sup3rkiddo | boy..transferring stuff at usb1.0 sucketh... |
| 16:48.04 | white_gecko | part |
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| 17:14.37 | [blackb] | hi all |
| 17:15.04 | [blackb] | i need an info there is sameone here thet i could ask? |
| 17:16.54 | Sup3rkiddo | [blackb], jep, but am not a all knowing demi-god though :) |
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| 17:17.11 | cyphi | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.19 | [blackb] | i installed pocky under arm MX31 |
| 17:17.26 | [blackb] | poky sorry |
| 17:17.34 | [blackb] | and it's good |
| 17:17.52 | [blackb] | but now i want install poky under MX21 |
| 17:18.15 | [blackb] | i need only X server and python source |
| 17:18.34 | [blackb] | it's possible to do thet? |
| 17:20.30 | [blackb] | i must program with openmoko but it must cross compile under MX21 and in need only X server and Python resource kit |
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| 17:44.41 | NineX | http://pastebin.ca/838804 |
| 17:44.43 | NineX | :S |
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| 18:06.54 | [blackb] | nice |
| 18:07.04 | [blackb] | NineX:nice error |
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| 18:09.41 | [blackb] | anyone could help me then?:) |
| 18:17.33 | jeddy3 | rtp, ping? |
| 18:20.16 | mwester | [blackb]: The snippet you've posted there indicates that the build system is working perfectly. There were build failures in the two build targets listed, it removed the failed builds, and then determined that it could not proceed without those builds being successful. So it stopped. |
| 18:20.44 | mwester | You need to go back further in your logs to find out why those two targets failed, and correct whatever is wrong there. |
| 18:21.42 | mwester | er, NineX even. |
| 18:22.58 | mwester | [blackb]: I don't think that you can currently build openmoko on anything other than an Intel X86 host. |
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| 18:28.07 | NineX | mwester: i build on amd64 |
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| 18:29.20 | mwester | NineX: Yeah, I got your question and [blackb] confused. Sorry. |
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| 18:36.25 | [blackb] | mwester:i could't run openmoko in a arm architecture? |
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| 19:23.24 | rtp | j_ack: pong |
| 19:23.33 | rtp | j_ack: sorry |
| 19:24.35 | zilux | current mokoified version of gutenflash (RSVP text reader) available online |
| 19:24.38 | zilux | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gutenflash |
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| 19:31.56 | mwester-laptop | [blackb]: you can't *build* openmoko on ARM; it runs on ARM just fine :) |
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| 21:06.01 | CM | jeddy3: God fortsättning :) |
| 21:09.41 | zash | the boredom |
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| 21:17.31 | torpor | yo .. anyone know where to get a nokia n810 in vienna, austria? as in, walk into the shop? please /msg me if so .. |
| 21:23.22 | jeddy3 | CM: detsamma :) |
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| 22:38.09 | NineX | http://pastebin.ca/838804 < somethink is broken :S |
| 22:39.56 | mwester | You need to go back further in your logs to find out why those two targets failed, and correct whatever is wrong there. |
| 22:40.00 | mwester | You need to go back further in your logs to find out why those two targets failed, and correct whatever is wrong there. |
| 22:40.21 | mwester | (oops, I'm typing double it seems) |
| 22:40.30 | rwhitby | My guess is that the OM stable repo doesn't have vala-native |
| 22:41.11 | rwhitby | if that was the case, you would need to poke mickey_away |
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