| 00:01.28 | SpeedEvil | cyt: remove and install |
| 00:01.35 | cyrill62 | why i'd 2 version when i take a ipkg list|grep libgsmd? |
| 00:01.46 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 00:01.49 | SpeedEvil | list-installed |
| 00:02.07 | cyrill62 | I'd none libgsmd installed... |
| 00:02.35 | cyrill62 | I'm with snapshot 2007.11 and updates daily |
| 00:02.42 | cyrill62 | packages lists |
| 00:03.18 | zicho | What do you think of Android? |
| 00:03.41 | SpeedEvil | Android is basically just java apps. |
| 00:04.34 | zicho | I think it will be nice to see how a free system vill affect commercial phones, and how free it will remain. |
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| 00:10.58 | cyrill62 | I think the I don't understand, I'd delete all snapshots packages |
| 00:11.12 | cyrill62 | and let updates (daily) packages |
| 00:11.27 | cyrill62 | I had just one version for all packages |
| 00:11.50 | cyrill62 | and ipkg install libgsmd don't work... |
| 00:12.27 | cyrill62 | root@magician:~$ ipkg install libgsmd |
| 00:12.27 | cyrill62 | Nothing to be done |
| 00:12.27 | cyrill62 | An error ocurred, return value: 4. |
| 00:12.27 | cyrill62 | Collected errors: |
| 00:12.27 | cyrill62 | Cannot find package libgsmd. |
| 00:12.29 | cyrill62 | Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update |
| 00:12.36 | cyrill62 | it tell me that... |
| 00:14.18 | goxboxlive | has anyone ran the gps with normal gpsd, or do i need a tweaked one? |
| 00:14.32 | SpeedEvil | It's stock |
| 00:14.42 | SpeedEvil | however, the binary driver is needed |
| 00:14.59 | SpeedEvil | that's the real 'gps' - the hardware is simply a software radio |
| 00:15.06 | goxboxlive | i have the binary |
| 00:15.26 | goxboxlive | and i have it running |
| 00:15.41 | goxboxlive | But i cant see that gpsd is working with it |
| 00:15.51 | SpeedEvil | gpsd can. |
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| 00:16.04 | SpeedEvil | I don't however know if hte standard ackage is properly configures. |
| 00:16.05 | goxboxlive | i have the spame from /tmp/nmeaNP |
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| 00:17.43 | wegrow | has there been anymore updates with openmoko running on a treo |
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| 10:14.12 | raddy | Hello Everybiody |
| 10:14.40 | raddy | How to restart a task in openmoko build? |
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| 10:21.48 | raddy | Anybody there??? |
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| 10:24.47 | sbeh | no. |
| 10:27.29 | zilux | raddy: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokomakefile#Build_issues |
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| 10:57.44 | raddy | zilux : how to find out failing package name?? |
| 10:59.18 | zilux | usually it is displayed |
| 10:59.40 | raddy | ohh |
| 11:00.35 | zilux | personnaly when something fails, I simply restart the whole sequence |
| 11:00.40 | zilux | a little bit later... |
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| 11:02.24 | zilux | hoping a kind mind has solve the issue upstream ;-) |
| 11:06.51 | zilux | atm, the build breaks on: |
| 11:07.05 | zilux | ERROR: No providers of build target u-boot-openmoko |
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| 11:24.25 | SpeedEvil | Is this the 'make openmoko -devel-image'? |
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| 11:33.12 | zilux | in running: make update-makefile && make setup update openmoko-devel-image |
| 11:33.31 | zilux | this command fails: bitbake openmoko-devel-image u-boot-openmoko |
| 11:33.44 | zilux | name mismatch |
| 11:35.57 | goxboxlive | hi SpeedEvil |
| 11:36.33 | goxboxlive | I have the gps running but i cant get i fix. I am running roadmap in Qtopia but missing the fix. |
| 11:36.53 | SpeedEvil | does it show a fix in NMEA? |
| 11:37.42 | SpeedEvil | Before a fix, it outputs stuff like $GPGGA,235946.99,,,,,00,00,3.0,,M,0.0001999,M,0.0070199,*54 |
| 11:37.58 | goxboxlive | SpeedEvil: exactly |
| 11:37.59 | SpeedEvil | After: $GPGGA,141054.00,5611.888041,N,00310.425829,W,1,10,0.5,147.0,M,0.188001,M,0.0100 |
| 11:38.21 | goxboxlive | I dont get that far. it gives me A1.......................................... not A3 as for after the fix |
| 11:38.50 | SpeedEvil | I mean the raw NMEA output. And are you outdoors? |
| 11:39.07 | goxboxlive | SpeedEvil: no, i down in my basement :-) |
| 11:39.30 | goxboxlive | i have also tested outdoor, but havent been out for long enough i guess. (5 min) |
| 11:40.41 | SpeedEvil | 5 min should be enough for a fix. |
| 11:40.55 | SpeedEvil | There are several people who apparently have non-working GPSs |
| 11:41.34 | goxboxlive | ok, so there might be some hardware stuff then |
| 11:41.44 | SpeedEvil | possibly, yes |
| 11:41.47 | goxboxlive | mine is new though, should work |
| 11:43.39 | SpeedEvil | I should have kept notes on who was having problems. |
| 11:46.11 | Sup3rkiddo | for a non working gps |
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| 11:49.13 | balrog-kun | Sup3rkiddo: that sucks |
| 11:49.25 | balrog-kun | is the gps silent or only doesn't ever get a fix? |
| 11:50.06 | Sup3rkiddo | balrog-kun, yup still at A1.....mostly give up after 10 minutes...running gllin/gllin just works right? |
| 11:51.31 | balrog-kun | it is supposed to, i hear it needs more time for the first fix on a given gps device |
| 11:52.05 | Sup3rkiddo | oh!...didnt know that...so i will just keep it running for a while |
| 11:52.16 | goxboxlive | balrog-kun: Ok, so if i leave it outside for an hou or so it might get the fix? |
| 11:52.37 | goxboxlive | have to wait until it stops raining thoug |
| 11:52.39 | SpeedEvil | 5 min should be plenbty |
| 11:52.45 | balrog-kun | goxboxlive: i'd try that |
| 11:52.57 | SpeedEvil | but 1h if it doesn't work - something's broken |
| 11:53.10 | Sup3rkiddo | =/ |
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| 11:53.21 | goxboxlive | But since it gets A1 whyshouldnt it get the fix |
| 11:53.25 | goxboxlive | thats weird |
| 11:53.29 | balrog-kun | well, i heard 5 min wasn't enough for a couple of people |
| 11:53.37 | balrog-kun | (for the *first* fix only) |
| 11:53.47 | goxboxlive | ok, i'll test |
| 11:54.41 | SpeedEvil | A1? |
| 11:54.53 | goxboxlive | Yes the status before the fix |
| 11:55.04 | SpeedEvil | don't know |
| 11:55.10 | goxboxlive | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-November/011916.html |
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| 12:00.05 | goxboxlive | Ok, left it outside, connected my external antenna to it. |
| 12:00.43 | damunix_ | hi all |
| 12:01.27 | damunix_ | does anyone know if openmoko project will be on the list of google summer porject's ? |
| 12:02.26 | goxboxlive | :-) i guess it woudnt |
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| 12:11.39 | Sup3rkiddo | goxboxlive, external antenna? |
| 12:14.38 | goxboxlive | Sup3rkiddo: yes i bought one for another device, and the plug fint the neo antenna plug. DOnt know if it wroks, but it still gets A1 signals |
| 12:15.21 | Sup3rkiddo | goxboxlive, hmm...ok...getting A1 here as well, still waiting for the fix, although i am indoors |
| 12:16.13 | goxboxlive | i'll go out and check now |
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| 12:17.06 | goxboxlive | hey the device was gone :-/ |
| 12:17.12 | goxboxlive | nope, still no fix |
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| 13:44.21 | goxboxlive | Yes, i got a A3, so i have a fix then. |
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| 14:03.13 | balrog-kun | goxboxlive: cool |
| 14:03.24 | balrog-kun | it should start working normally after that |
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| 14:08.31 | goxboxlive | i have the gps working :-) in qtopia using roadmap |
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| 14:28.14 | starox | Hello, I'm toying with openmoko (and a palm T5), and I wonder which is the correct way to manage resolution other than 480x640 ? I should make a specific theme for gtk ? |
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| 14:50.40 | haakeyar | Will the GTA02 have powered USB? The Neo1973 wiki page (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973) says so, but the IPhone vs GTA02 wiki page (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/IPhone) says it will be unpowered. |
| 14:51.01 | haakeyar | One of them have to be fixed, but I don't know which one is wrong. |
| 14:51.07 | mjr | it will, the comparison is out of date |
| 14:51.46 | mjr | or at least I haven't seen them reneg on the powered usb, while I have seen an official person say it will be so |
| 14:52.06 | mjr | I'll fix the comparison |
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| 16:10.34 | Sup3rkiddo | oops, both of my batteries seem to be discharges completely..now the neo doesnt boot up...should i plug it into my computer and wait? |
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| 16:38.26 | PBeck | hi |
| 16:39.25 | kinneh | Sup3rkiddo: yes, just wait for an hour or so ... |
| 16:39.50 | Sup3rkiddo | kinneh, yup, saw that in the wiki..just now..danke |
| 16:40.05 | kinneh | np |
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| 17:17.26 | goxboxlive | hmm the external antenna i bought for another gps works great with the Neo |
| 17:18.58 | thomasg_ | why shouldn't it? |
| 17:20.27 | Sup3rkiddo | goxboxlive, got a fix? |
| 17:20.37 | goxboxlive | thomasg_: because it dont with tree other gps devices i have |
| 17:20.50 | goxboxlive | Sup3rkiddo: yes, it works great now |
| 17:21.11 | Sup3rkiddo | goxboxlive, how long did it take?.. |
| 17:21.11 | thomasg_ | goxboxlive: weird |
| 17:21.16 | goxboxlive | I will make a Qtopia image with the correct setup so other can try too |
| 17:21.36 | goxboxlive | thomasg_: no, it's not. The connector has to fit |
| 17:21.54 | thomasg_ | yes, of course. if it's mmcx it fits |
| 17:22.26 | goxboxlive | yes, and my A780 and two other BT gps's doesnt have that connector. But luckely Neo had it |
| 17:22.59 | balrog-kun | remember about the gllin EULA though |
| 17:23.09 | thomasg_ | hm, all the gps mice I know and my tomtom have the mmcx-connector |
| 17:23.12 | goxboxlive | balrog-kun: of course |
| 17:23.19 | goxboxlive | ok |
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| 17:32.23 | goxboxlive | Sup3rkiddo: I actually dont know, because i tried several places in my house, and when it pointed to north it gave me a fix. But it where in that position at least for an 1/2 hour. |
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| 17:33.14 | Sup3rkiddo | goxboxlive, oh..and it gets fixes sooner after that "first" fix? |
| 17:34.09 | goxboxlive | Sup3rkiddo: yes, and especially with my external antenna. I havent manage to get a fix inside without the external |
| 17:35.07 | Sup3rkiddo | goxboxlive, hmm....have fun hackz0ring....i wonder when i will get my first fix |
| 17:35.19 | goxboxlive | thx :-) |
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| 18:17.19 | folken | anybody at the congress experienced with debricking? |
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| 18:26.42 | preppy | anyone know more about getting openmoko to run on a treo? |
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| 18:54.29 | I-MOD | preppy, probably depends on the model, but michael sheldon has some info on getting it on th 650 |
| 18:55.05 | preppy | I'm new to this thing i got Opie working |
| 18:55.15 | preppy | but id like to experiment with openMoko |
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| 18:55.23 | preppy | seems like a better thing |
| 18:55.30 | I-MOD | looks like someone has it on the 680 as well |
| 18:56.29 | preppy | I contacted Michael Sheldon about it, but he seems to be inactive |
| 18:57.03 | I-MOD | unfortunately, i don't know a whole lot about treo's as I don't have one |
| 18:57.22 | balrog-kun | opie is for sure much faster |
| 18:57.41 | preppy | still has a lack of a dialer application though |
| 18:57.46 | balrog-kun | and phone calls won't work on t650 anyway |
| 18:58.00 | preppy | true |
| 18:58.30 | balrog-kun | BobOfDoom was working on adapting gsmd to the t650 modem and he had some success but no usable phonecalls yet |
| 18:59.04 | preppy | oh really thats interesting |
| 18:59.09 | preppy | i think its very much possible |
| 18:59.51 | balrog-kun | i don't think he'll continue hacking gsmd because qtopia released their full sources a couple of months ago, |
| 19:00.06 | balrog-kun | and it turns out the modem in greenphone is pretty much identical to that in t650 |
| 19:00.15 | preppy | oh really |
| 19:00.23 | preppy | so its possible to get qtopia running on a treo |
| 19:00.23 | preppy | ? |
| 19:00.24 | balrog-kun | so the plan was to use qtopia phone services |
| 19:00.41 | balrog-kun | possible yes, i don't know if anyone's done that yet |
| 19:00.56 | Sup3rkiddo | speaking of gsm stuff, any idea on gsmd2 and friends?... |
| 19:04.28 | fgau | Sup3rkiddo: not gsmd2, pygsmd rocks! http://projects.linuxtogo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/py-proto/?root=smartphones |
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| 19:09.43 | Sup3rkiddo | fgau, ah...for a sec, i thought you were referring to one of my hacks..:P of the same name..binding gsmd...http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/python-gsmd/?root=python-openmoko |
| 19:09.45 | Sup3rkiddo | :P |
| 19:10.48 | fgau | Sup3rkiddo: no, its a new project from emdete :) |
| 19:10.55 | Sup3rkiddo | fgau, hehe |
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| 19:13.56 | fgau | Sup3rkiddo: hehe |
| 19:15.45 | fgau | i following your project, but this daemon from emdete is very cool. stable for me since hours! |
| 19:17.53 | balrog-kun | why didn't he choose a different name? |
| 19:18.21 | Sup3rkiddo | jep..i need to try it as well...i was about to bring in some serial stuff and voila |
| 19:21.34 | Sup3rkiddo | ..ah, thats more like a shell |
| 19:21.43 | Sup3rkiddo | night all |
| 19:22.03 | kinneh | anybody knows of a project to: line up a number of icons that runs a configurabe script ? like: start-debug-of-gsmd.sh, start-bluetooth-net.sh and so on |
| 19:23.09 | kinneh | like the "start page" of qtopia |
| 19:25.43 | fgau | kinneh: try the power button for 2 sec |
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| 19:31.23 | werner1990_17313 | heheyo |
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| 19:36.31 | kinneh | fgau: is it configure:able ? |
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| 19:49.53 | fgau | kinneh: sure, in the sources |
| 19:51.03 | mwester | The beauty of open-source :) |
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| 20:00.46 | roh | btw.. interresting stuff |
| 20:00.48 | roh | http://www.ccctube.de/saal3.html |
| 20:01.35 | SpeedEvil | Doesn't work in lynx. |
| 20:03.00 | roh | other formats are listed here http://events.ccc.de/congress/2007/Streaming |
| 20:05.42 | LittleIdiot | err anybody in here on that event? |
| 20:06.03 | roh | yes. ;) |
| 20:06.17 | LittleIdiot | i've read an "openmoko" sign when i went to the toilet, but the people behind that seemed to do anything but moko hacking ;) |
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| 20:06.40 | roh | there is also an audiostream from the cellar lounge called maschinenraum |
| 20:06.42 | roh | http://81.163.36.69:8000/ |
| 20:06.51 | roh | the lineup is here http://events.ccc.de/congress/2007/Maschinenraum#DJ.2FVJ_Timetable |
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| 21:10.05 | ddr400 | when comes phase 2 out to stores |
| 21:10.46 | SpeedEvil | christmas, maybe. |
| 21:11.03 | ddr400 | i mean not current beta phone but final phone with wifi & gsm |
| 21:11.13 | ddr400 | 2008? when |
| 21:11.27 | zash | ~march for final hardware they say |
| 21:11.28 | apt | Forward, MARCH! Shoulder, ARMS! Oh, so we want to be stupid, right, for final hardware they say ? Think we're special, that we can do everything different than everyone else, right? Platoon, HALT. Get back, right now! |
| 21:11.31 | SpeedEvil | for it to appear in stores, the software and hardware has to be in a state where it can be bought by strore buyers 6 months or so ahead. |
| 21:11.56 | SpeedEvil | this is unlikely to happen before July or so, if then. |
| 21:12.50 | TeNoVi | Do anyone know what is in progress now? |
| 21:12.57 | ddr400 | thanks, now i know exactly |
| 21:13.45 | SpeedEvil | basically writing drivers for the 02 version |
| 21:14.13 | SpeedEvil | so that hardware can be found to be free of other bugs before starting a new prototype version |
| 21:15.03 | TeNoVi | hmm, can't stand waiting for it.. :P Need a new phone now, but I guess I'll have to wait. .. |
| 21:15.32 | ddr400 | what price it comes, i heard something 460 $ |
| 21:15.50 | TeNoVi | 450 I've heard |
| 21:16.55 | ddr400 | what about pro version and what is that pro version, cost was somehing 600 i heard |
| 21:17.29 | zash | $450 for base, and 600 for the box |
| 21:17.56 | TeNoVi | The box is for the one that wants to open the phone or what? |
| 21:18.17 | mjr | basically for the hc hardware hacker |
| 21:19.38 | ddr400 | you mean that contains tools for opening phone physically and blueprints |
| 21:19.55 | zash | no |
| 21:20.17 | zash | screwdriver and extra batteries and stuff |
| 21:20.21 | zash | and debugboard |
| 21:20.32 | zash | no blueprints afaik |
| 21:23.02 | mjr | no blues |
| 21:23.10 | zash | ddr400: i recomend you read the wiki |
| 21:24.08 | ddr400 | i readed some topic from wiki but not much, i continue reading if some detail is required about phone itself |
| 21:24.52 | ddr400 | btw thaks for info |
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| 22:47.57 | cesarb | Looks like I made a mess, my OE.mtn has two heads, and mokomakefile is chosing one at random (the wrong one) |
| 22:48.18 | cesarb | And that file is huge to redownload |
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| 22:55.24 | XorA|gone | mtn --db=OE.mtn merge |
| 22:55.37 | XorA|gone | that'll fix it |
| 23:00.23 | cesarb | XorA|gone: that would create a head which is not one of the upstream heads, confusing even more the issue |
| 23:00.56 | cesarb | XorA|gone: I've just nuked the database and will endure the hour-and-a-half-long download, followed by the multi-hour update |
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| 23:01.19 | cesarb | XorA|gone: but, this time, I've edited the makefile so I won't do a "make update" instead of "make update-bleeding-edge" again |
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