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| 04:45.57 | raddy | Hello Everybody |
| 04:46.34 | raddy | Why do i need to compile openmoko distribution for application development |
| 04:50.13 | mwester | because the external toolchain is not yet ready. |
| 04:50.45 | raddy | mwester : Ohh :( |
| 04:51.17 | raddy | How much time it will take to compile openmoko |
| 04:53.02 | mwester | Depends on your system. I can build it from nothing in about 6.5 hours (dual-core 2.66MHz P4) |
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| 04:54.02 | raddy | How much RAM you have? |
| 04:55.08 | mwester | 2GB |
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| 05:04.06 | raddy | So should need to be connected for 6-7hrs ? |
| 05:06.38 | raddy | mwester : So should need to be connected for 6-7hrs ? |
| 05:10.15 | raddy | mwester : do i need gcc 3.3? |
| 05:10.32 | raddy | Won't openmoko compile on gcc 4x ?? |
| 05:10.45 | ljp | gcc 4 is fine |
| 05:10.45 | rwhitby | openmoko image will compile with 4.x |
| 05:10.53 | rwhitby | qemu compile needs 3.x I believe |
| 05:11.07 | rwhitby | best is to have both installed :-) |
| 05:12.00 | raddy | rwhitby : i am planning to use mokomakefile, will it fail if i don't have gcc3x |
| 05:12.26 | rwhitby | only if you ask it to build qemu |
| 05:12.47 | rwhitby | but I've never tested it myself without both installed. |
| 05:14.13 | raddy | rwhitby : How to ask it to just compile openmoko and not to compile qemu |
| 05:15.27 | rwhitby | raddy: I would suggest you just install gcc 3.x and save yourself the hassle |
| 05:15.40 | rwhitby | since I think qemu is built in the image build anyway to do locale stuff |
| 05:18.13 | ljp | you can specify ASSUME_PROVIDED += "qemu-native" in your local.conf |
| 05:18.22 | raddy | rwhitby : can you use any version of gcc3x beyond 3.3? |
| 05:18.28 | ljp | if you have qemu installed |
| 05:19.24 | raddy | ljp : ohh, so can i install qemu seperately and can use it to emulate openmoko? |
| 05:19.51 | raddy | ljp : i mean can i install qemu from rpm packages? |
| 05:21.39 | ljp | i believe so |
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| 05:51.08 | raddy | Hello Everybody |
| 05:51.42 | raddy | Why should build openmoko for developing applications for openmoko? |
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| 05:52.30 | raddy | Can't i just move the binaries via usb connection instead merging in in the OS Image? |
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| 05:54.34 | mwester | Sure. But you need a compiler to compile them with. And a linker to link the application. And if your application has a GUI, it needs the X11 libraries to link against, so you need to compile and build the X11 libraries, too.... and the list goes on until you have built most of what you need for the openmoko image. |
| 05:56.12 | mwester | Someday (when the software stabilizes a bit more) you'll be able to download and install a cross-compiler for your host system, and install the pre-build X11 and other libraries and header files, run a script to set up your environment, and just build your application -- but that's not ready yet. |
| 05:56.43 | raddy | mwester : won't it be enough if we install xorg-devel for linking graphical applications? |
| 05:57.19 | mwester | You'll need the version of xorg-devel compiled for openmoko. And all of the other libraries that go with it. |
| 05:57.37 | raddy | mwester : Oh :( |
| 05:57.47 | mwester | You can't just use the one on your host, unless your host system runs the same processor and OS. |
| 05:59.21 | raddy | mwester : ohh, what if i install openmoko in qemu, can't i compile my applications in qemu? |
| 06:00.32 | mwester | You'll need to install a native openmoko compiler, and the development libraries. If those exist somewhere, they are not in the normal openmoko feeds as far as I know. |
| 06:00.45 | mwester | Also, that's a very slow way to build any software. |
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| 06:05.10 | raddy | mwester : is it possible to get any output when i run make setup? |
| 06:05.47 | raddy | mwester : currently it doesn't show anything, and is very difficult to know whether it is working or not |
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| 06:58.50 | raddy | Is it possible to get build status in MokoMakefile? |
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| 07:28.04 | rwhitby | raddy: xxx of yyy is the best you get |
| 07:28.52 | raddy | rwhitby : i am not getting anything, why? |
| 07:29.15 | raddy | rwhitby : i just got some svn related stuff, then nothing |
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| 07:30.02 | rwhitby | probably a slow or hung openmoko svn server |
| 07:30.56 | raddy | rwhitby : can you tell me any solution? |
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| 08:02.59 | raddy | Hello Everybody |
| 08:03.08 | raddy | In MokoMake |
| 08:03.34 | raddy | When i run make setup i am not getting any put |
| 08:03.54 | raddy | But when i run just make |
| 08:04.04 | raddy | I am getting some output |
| 08:04.15 | ewon | it's christmas eve |
| 08:04.25 | ewon | you should be getting ready for some serious fucking eating |
| 08:05.19 | mbuf | ewon, CakeMake ? |
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| 08:39.07 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:41.11 | torpor | sup guys |
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| 08:42.33 | mbuf | Hopscotch, good morning |
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| 09:21.52 | Linux_Galore | Dock-a-loodle-fod! - Dyslexic roosters are a sad site |
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| 10:06.42 | zilux | hi all |
| 10:06.50 | zilux | how can we measure the overall |
| 10:07.05 | zilux | cpu usage a process? |
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| 10:35.46 | sreekanth | Hi .. |
| 10:35.48 | hrw | morning |
| 10:35.57 | sreekanth | good morning |
| 10:36.09 | sreekanth | I have a doubt |
| 10:37.05 | sreekanth | i am following the page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course#What.27s_the_goal.3F |
| 10:37.18 | sreekanth | for developing a openmoko applicaton |
| 10:39.16 | sreekanth | i followed the manual process as mentioned in the page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU instead of using the mokomake file . |
| 10:40.04 | sreekanth | now i have to create a local overlay in the environment that i created ... |
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| 10:40.54 | BLAAAAAHHH | hello |
| 10:40.58 | sreekanth | in the section "setting up the local overlay" in the page, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course#What.27s_the_goal.3F, there is an instruction like this |
| 10:40.59 | sreekanth | cp build/conf/site.conf local/conf/site.conf |
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| 10:41.24 | BLAAAAAHHH | so my dad says that he may buy me a Neo if I pay for the service. |
| 10:41.31 | BLAAAAAHHH | I live in the USA |
| 10:41.32 | sreekanth | but i could n find any site.conf file |
| 10:41.36 | BLAAAAAHHH | what service would be good? |
| 10:41.47 | XorA | something with flat rate GPRS |
| 10:42.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1146 has been created by graeme(AT)openmoko.org |
| 10:42.02 | cdbot2 | * * Ret key in phone number makes contacts go crazy |
| 10:42.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1146 |
| 10:42.24 | XorA | and people can have fun with that bug I just found :-) |
| 10:43.18 | BLAAAAAHHH | XorA: Like what services? AT&T? T-Mobile? |
| 10:43.37 | XorA | I have t-mobile in UK with flat rate GPRS |
| 10:43.45 | XorA | I dont know the US market |
| 10:43.49 | BLAAAAAHHH | Oh. |
| 10:43.50 | BLAAAAAHHH | Okay. |
| 10:44.01 | BLAAAAAHHH | So how is it working for you? |
| 10:44.12 | BLAAAAAHHH | Are you using it as a regular phone? |
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| 10:44.27 | XorA | BLAAAAAHHH: GTA01 isnt suitable for using as a phone yet, GTA02 will hopefully improve situation |
| 10:44.49 | BLAAAAAHHH | And it comes out in March? |
| 10:45.24 | XorA | again cross fingers :-) |
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| 10:46.02 | BLAAAAAHHH | Any chance of it being out earlier than that? |
| 10:46.20 | XorA | BLAAAAAHHH: realistically I doubt it, hardware design takes time |
| 10:46.27 | BLAAAAAHHH | Oh. |
| 10:46.55 | BLAAAAAHHH | Will people who have GTA01's be elligable for upgrades or discounts or something? |
| 10:46.57 | XorA | BLAAAAAHHH: keep monitoring community lists for Michael_Shilohs updates |
| 10:47.17 | XorA | BLAAAAAHHH: I only do software for OM, I don't even know their business guys |
| 10:47.30 | hrw | BLAAAAAHHH: no |
| 10:47.44 | zedstar | be cool if openmoko released a sidekick style device.......i notice t-mobile uk just started stocking the sidekick slide |
| 10:48.00 | zilux | answering to myself: cpu usage of a process: in /proc/<pid>/stat :-) |
| 10:48.01 | hrw | BLAAAAAHHH: it was told that gta01 price was changed to lower due to not going into discounts thing later |
| 10:48.02 | zilux | cat /proc/1397/stat | awk '{print "utimes=",$14,"stimes="}' |
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| 10:49.07 | zilux | cat /proc/1397/stat | awk '{print "utimes=",$14,"stimes=", $15}' |
| 10:50.18 | BLAAAAAHHH | hrw: oh. |
| 10:50.32 | sreekanth | anybody has an idea what a openmoko tree is? |
| 10:52.24 | hrw | sreekanth: ? |
| 10:52.51 | BLAAAAAHHH | XorA: So what makes the GTA01 not suitable as a phone? |
| 10:53.14 | sreekanth | @hrw: openmoko tree layout or some thing like that for app development |
| 10:53.15 | XorA | BLAAAAAHHH: not enough standby time yet, and software isnt working yet |
| 10:53.51 | hrw | sreekanth: I do not get it... |
| 10:53.53 | BLAAAAAHHH | not working? |
| 10:55.02 | BLAAAAAHHH | alright. |
| 10:55.06 | BLAAAAAHHH | see ya later :) |
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| 10:55.23 | BLAAAAAHHH | one more question! |
| 10:55.26 | sreekanth | @hrw: |
| 10:55.26 | sreekanth | in the page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course#What.27s_the_goal.3F, there is a section called "Setting up a Local Overlay" and in that section there is a command "cp build/conf/site.conf local/conf/site.conf" . Above that command you find open moko tree |
| 10:55.43 | BLAAAAAHHH | Does it have Ruby? |
| 10:56.23 | zilux | sreekanth: this was installed here by MokoMakefile |
| 10:56.57 | XorA | BLAAAAAHHH: OE has ruby, so yes you can get it |
| 10:57.47 | BLAAAAAHHH | OE? |
| 10:58.15 | zilux | there is the openmoko tree under /home/moko |
| 10:58.25 | zilux | and my local directory elsewhere |
| 10:58.31 | sreekanth | @zlinux: i followed manual setup instead of using mokomake file for setting up the environment .. so how can i create a local over lay ? i could find any site.conf file in the moko base directory |
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| 10:58.46 | XorA | BLAAAAAHHH: OpenMoko software is build using the OpenEmbedded build system |
| 10:59.07 | sreekanth | @zlinux : i could nt find any site.conf file in the moko base directory |
| 10:59.47 | BLAAAAAHHH | oh |
| 10:59.51 | BLAAAAAHHH | okay |
| 10:59.56 | BLAAAAAHHH | bye :) |
| 11:00.00 | BLAAAAAHHH | kthxbai |
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| 11:00.26 | sreekanth | @zlinux, ignore my previous question |
| 11:00.39 | zilux | ok :-) |
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| 11:01.06 | sreekanth | @zlinux: when i run make setup, i am not getting any output as such |
| 11:01.14 | sreekanth | in the sense there is no progress |
| 11:01.39 | sreekanth | i got some thing like ( svn co -r HEAD \ |
| 11:01.40 | sreekanth | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:01.47 | sreekanth | after that there is no progress |
| 11:02.30 | sreekanth | @zilux: generally how much time will it take to complete the make setup instruction ? |
| 11:03.13 | zilux | once the openmoko tree is instaleld, I just run bitbake |
| 11:03.25 | zilux | on the interesting package |
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| 11:05.53 | sreekanth | any idea what the make setup command will do ? |
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| 11:07.44 | zilux | edit the Makefile? |
| 11:09.16 | sreekanth | I am not able to succeed when running the "make setup" command for setting up the open moko environment using mokomake |
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| 11:17.28 | CoreDump | could anyone with a GTA02 please comment whether the _terrible_ charging situation of GTA01 has been fixed? |
| 11:19.44 | zedstar | i hardly have my neo unplugged from usb but i have used it for a couple of hours unplugged |
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| 11:20.46 | hrw | CoreDump: most of devels use gta02 without battery |
| 11:20.53 | CoreDump | eww |
| 11:21.04 | hrw | CoreDump: gta02 runs quite good with only usb cable attached |
| 11:21.34 | CoreDump | which means that the charging hard+software hasn't been tested very well =) |
| 11:22.09 | hrw | CoreDump: I do not think that gta02 will make great phone anyway ;D |
| 11:22.42 | CoreDump | true, but WIFI and the accelerators would make a neat toy indeed |
| 11:25.09 | SpeedEvil | Hovering neo ++ |
| 11:25.40 | SpeedEvil | Though I am making a UAV, and have considered - for a short time - using the neo for GNC |
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| 11:26.08 | SpeedEvil | What I'd really like would be a neo with no, or a broken screen. |
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| 11:27.56 | SpeedEvil | For my app, I do't need a keyboard. |
| 11:28.04 | SpeedEvil | as birds can't type. |
| 11:28.09 | zedstar | nooooo BT keyboard!!!! |
| 11:30.10 | zedstar | a UAV? unmanned assault vehicle? :) |
| 11:30.45 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 11:31.45 | SpeedEvil | For mapping. |
| 11:32.44 | hrw | I want htc touch dual or htc tytn II formfactor device |
| 11:32.54 | zedstar | ah i thought u were gonna attached a neo to a homemade missile for a moment and use gps navigation :) |
| 11:33.34 | b52deb | lol :D |
| 11:33.43 | SpeedEvil | Not a missile. Simply a 1Kg helicopter. |
| 11:34.04 | SpeedEvil | Well - helicopter-esque thing optimised to climb to 1Km, and then descend vertically. |
| 11:34.29 | zedstar | and will use gps? |
| 11:34.38 | SpeedEvil | I'd really like it not to. |
| 11:34.43 | SpeedEvil | GPS is expensive. |
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| 11:34.52 | SpeedEvil | But I don't think I can practically avoid it. |
| 11:35.19 | zedstar | expensive as in battery or just cost of the unit? |
| 11:36.22 | XorA | hrw: amusing I have both those devices within 1m of me |
| 11:36.32 | zedstar | wonder how possible it would be to make a homemade gps navigated doodle bug type rocket |
| 11:36.47 | XorA | hrw: actually, Ive got the touch, nicer than the dual |
| 11:37.25 | SpeedEvil | Expensive in terms of price. $70 or so for the antenna + module + ... and double that to get my margin |
| 11:39.50 | zedstar | what would the helicopter do....take images or something? |
| 11:40.34 | zedstar | i saw some kind of device that could do that.....great for pissing the neighbours off |
| 11:41.00 | b52deb | zedstar, and get arrested by the cops :D at the end .... :D |
| 11:41.32 | SpeedEvil | zedstar: basically, fly up to around 1Km. |
| 11:41.41 | SpeedEvil | Take one or several 10MP images. |
| 11:41.47 | SpeedEvil | Fly straight back down. |
| 11:41.49 | zedstar | i doubt taking pics would be illegal |
| 11:42.02 | zedstar | sounds cool speedevil |
| 11:42.26 | SpeedEvil | Oddly, in the UK, it seems that I require _huge_ amounts of approvals to do 'ariel work' if my vehicle is over 7Kg. |
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| 11:42.43 | SpeedEvil | But there are almost no regulations at all if it's under 7. |
| 11:43.36 | XorA | they probably figure anything under 7kg will get eaten quite easilly by jet engines :-) |
| 11:44.50 | zedstar | if u could program the device to go on little trips that would be really cool |
| 11:45.40 | SpeedEvil | Initially I'm just doing a simple vertical up and down. |
| 11:45.51 | Jiten | what's ariel work? |
| 11:46.17 | SpeedEvil | basically any work done by stuff in the air |
| 11:46.24 | SpeedEvil | (as defined by the CAA) |
| 11:47.11 | zedstar | can this material be sold to companies? insurance etc for documenting stuff |
| 11:47.18 | Jiten | I guess the word is shortened from aerial work? |
| 11:48.26 | SpeedEvil | zedstar: sure. I'm probably going to be concentrating on selling the things though. |
| 11:49.14 | zedstar | sounds a good project to me |
| 11:51.13 | zedstar | how long could a device potentially stay in the air? |
| 11:52.17 | SpeedEvil | 4-6 mins or so. |
| 11:52.26 | SpeedEvil | it's very much optimised for dast climb. |
| 11:52.40 | SpeedEvil | fast |
| 11:54.56 | zedstar | the gps to add data to the images? |
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| 11:57.54 | SpeedEvil | Partially, but mainly to land on the takeoff spot. |
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| 12:00.00 | zedstar | i think there is a market for this kind of stuff......i used to have water/pressure powered rockets as a kid they were fun....this is more hi-tech! |
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| 12:01.39 | hrw | XorA: ;) |
| 12:01.43 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - It's looking unfortunately like 200 quid without camera though. |
| 12:01.53 | hrw | XorA: I played with touch dual and like tytn II factor |
| 12:04.10 | XorA | hrw: the tytn II is awesome, if only windows mobile had accellerated gfx for it |
| 12:04.45 | hrw | XorA: and vga screen ;) |
| 12:05.10 | zedstar | yeh keeping the costs down gonna be crucial |
| 12:05.48 | XorA | hrw: they are working on booting linux on the Kaiser |
| 12:05.55 | XorA | hrw: so hope for Kaiser OpenMoko :-) |
| 12:06.13 | SpeedEvil | Not so much - the hard part is the reliability. I want it to be able to do 1000+ missions with only battery replace. |
| 12:06.16 | hrw | XorA: openmoko is not ready for qvga |
| 12:06.34 | XorA | hrw: cheap hardware that can run it well will change that |
| 12:06.42 | SpeedEvil | It's not ready for VGA yet :) |
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| 12:07.37 | hrw | SpeedEvil: to short it: it is not ready at all |
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| 12:07.46 | XorA | and at least on HTC machines you get a stylus :-) |
| 12:07.47 | SpeedEvil | It's getting better. |
| 12:18.15 | zedstar | anybody else actually in work today and not doing anything? :) |
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| 12:34.31 | ahven | work? today? |
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| 12:43.38 | CVirus | "Believe me, if bribing the red-clothed jolly man would help speed up development, we would have sent Sean to the north pole already!" |
| 12:43.39 | CVirus | LOL |
| 12:44.45 | mickeyl | heh |
| 12:44.59 | mickeyl | actually, yes, i'm working |
| 12:45.16 | mickeyl | until 16:30 |
| 12:45.26 | mickeyl | (3 hours to go) |
| 12:47.34 | CVirus | I hate accumulating E-mails and browser tabs |
| 12:47.53 | CVirus | and RSS Feeds too |
| 12:48.29 | CVirus | LOL |
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| 13:01.35 | zedstar | well all this hard work has made me thirsty so time for the pub ;) |
| 13:02.52 | thomasg | oh, gta02 didn't make it on the wired-vaporware-list 2007 :) |
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| 13:15.36 | NineX|Moko | any idea how enable fast charge with dumb charger when system is running? |
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| 13:17.48 | mjr | echo -n "fast_cccv" > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgmode |
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| 13:23.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1147 has been created by roman.moravcik(AT)gmail.com |
| 13:23.01 | cdbot2 | * * Delete contact button doesn't work in some cases |
| 13:23.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1147 |
| 13:26.33 | NineX|Moko | mjr: thx |
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| 14:18.35 | hrw | mickeyl: thx for wishes |
| 14:18.44 | mickeyl | :) |
| 14:18.54 | hrw | mickeyl: merry christmas to you and Sabine (from all of us here) |
| 14:19.21 | mickeyl | thanks a lot! Greetings from Sabine as well |
| 14:20.48 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03werner * r3729 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/ (11 files in 2 dirs): |
| 14:20.48 | CIA-15 | openmoko: - envedit.pl: added CPP-style conditionals (#ifdef, #ifndef, #else, #endif) |
| 14:20.48 | CIA-15 | openmoko: - envedit.pl: added option -D var[=value] to add variables for use during |
| 14:20.48 | CIA-15 | openmoko: preprocessing |
| 14:20.48 | CIA-15 | openmoko: - envedit.pl: added CPP-style macro expansion (MACRO and MACRO##TOKEN) |
| 14:20.50 | CIA-15 | openmoko: - tests/: regression tests for new envedit.pl features |
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| 14:22.48 | sreekanth | hi all |
| 14:23.42 | sreekanth | can anybody tell me how much time will it take to execute "make setup" command for mokomake file ? |
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| 14:25.50 | hrw | http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2355/2086153791_937bfd05da_o.jpg |
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| 14:27.25 | sreekanth | can anybody tell me how much time will it take to execute "make setup" command for mokomake file ? |
| 14:27.42 | SpeedEvil | depends |
| 14:27.50 | SpeedEvil | how fast's your net? |
| 14:27.50 | sreekanth | mokomakefile is not working for me |
| 14:27.57 | SpeedEvil | the make setup stage is largely net-limited |
| 14:28.03 | SpeedEvil | 4h? |
| 14:28.03 | sreekanth | oh .. |
| 14:28.05 | SpeedEvil | I forget |
| 14:28.12 | sreekanth | what is 4h ? |
| 14:28.17 | SpeedEvil | 4 hours |
| 14:28.23 | sreekanth | oh ... |
| 14:28.42 | SpeedEvil | My full build took 36h |
| 14:28.53 | sreekanth | 36 hours ?? |
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| 14:28.56 | sreekanth | =-O |
| 14:29.06 | SpeedEvil | AMD XPM2500, 768M RAM, 512/256 net |
| 14:29.18 | sreekanth | omg |
| 14:29.23 | SpeedEvil | Yes. It's building basically an entire distribution |
| 14:29.25 | sreekanth | is there any other alternative ? |
| 14:29.34 | SpeedEvil | for what? |
| 14:29.42 | sreekanth | mokomakefile |
| 14:29.44 | SpeedEvil | or rateher - what are you trying to do |
| 14:30.01 | sreekanth | i want to develop an application for openmoko |
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| 14:30.39 | SpeedEvil | It takes minutes to rebuild if only one item has changed though |
| 14:31.19 | sreekanth | rebuild what ? |
| 14:31.36 | SpeedEvil | make openmoko-devel-image - make a new image - if something minor has changed |
| 14:32.34 | sreekanth | can i execute that command ? |
| 14:32.42 | sreekanth | instead of make setup ?? |
| 14:32.52 | SpeedEvil | no - you need to make setup first |
| 14:33.02 | sreekanth | oh.. |
| 14:33.03 | SpeedEvil | it's got to download a hundred meg or so archive |
| 14:33.11 | sreekanth | oh .. |
| 14:33.28 | NineX|Moko | any iddea how to turn off automatic kernel reflashing when ipkg upgrading kernel? |
| 14:33.38 | SpeedEvil | oh - it's not that big, it's 200. |
| 14:33.40 | sreekanth | actually there is a manual process also for doing this one rite ? |
| 14:35.05 | NineX|Moko | i have system on sd card to avoid nand destruction |
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| 14:36.05 | sreekanth | does mokomakefile does the following check out ? "svn co http://svn.openmoko.org/" |
| 14:36.13 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 14:36.20 | sreekanth | oh .. |
| 14:36.53 | SpeedEvil | Ideally, you download mokomakefile (with the prerequisite software installed) and then simply type make setup |
| 14:36.58 | SpeedEvil | then make openmoko-devel-image |
| 14:37.07 | SpeedEvil | and a few hours later, you have a built image |
| 14:37.19 | SpeedEvil | with all the crosscompilers and libraries, and ... built |
| 14:37.23 | sreekanth | oh ok .. |
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| 14:38.20 | sreekanth | Do i need to configure the "build,lab,card" roles even if i use the mokomakefile ? |
| 14:39.00 | SpeedEvil | I diddn't, and it worked |
| 14:39.39 | sreekanth | oh |
| 14:40.54 | NineX|Moko | ssl works on openmoko-browser2? |
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| 14:41.51 | sreekanth | one more clarification: the process covered in the page "http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course#What.27s_the_goal.3F" is the manual process and all those tasks can be automated using MokoMakeFile .. Am i correct ? |
| 14:42.38 | CM | sreekanth: You are |
| 14:42.49 | CM | Basically you just need one command with the makefile to build everything |
| 14:42.57 | SpeedEvil | Two |
| 14:43.09 | SpeedEvil | (or does make openmoko-devel-image do make setup?) |
| 14:43.09 | sreekanth | Ok ... |
| 14:43.19 | CM | No, true. You need a make setup |
| 14:43.26 | CM | And every now and then a make update to get the latest changes |
| 14:43.29 | sreekanth | Ok .. |
| 14:43.40 | SpeedEvil | But (if it works) it makes it stupidly easy to get teh compilers and everything seutp |
| 14:43.41 | sreekanth | ok .. |
| 14:44.10 | sreekanth | but is there any alternative to fasten up the process of mokomake's make setup ? |
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| 14:44.46 | sreekanth | i am getting the following when i execute make setup [ ! -e stamps/bitbake ] || \ |
| 14:44.47 | sreekanth | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.47 | sreekanth | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.47 | sreekanth | [ -e stamps/patches ] || \ |
| 14:44.47 | sreekanth | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.47 | sreekanth | A patches/bitbake-HEAD |
| 14:44.48 | sreekanth | A patches/openmoko-HEAD |
| 14:44.50 | sreekanth | A patches/openembedded-HEAD |
| 14:44.52 | sreekanth | Checked out revision 173. |
| 14:44.54 | sreekanth | [ -d stamps ] || mkdir stamps |
| 14:44.56 | sreekanth | touch stamps/patches |
| 14:44.58 | sreekanth | [ -e stamps/bitbake ] || \ |
| 14:45.00 | sreekanth | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.02 | sreekanth | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.04 | sreekanth | and after that there is no progress |
| 14:45.47 | sreekanth | does it indicate any erroneous condition ?? |
| 14:47.53 | sreekanth | @SpeedEvil, CM : can u answer my doubt if you dont mind ?? |
| 14:48.53 | SpeedEvil | is there net or file activity |
| 14:49.08 | sreekanth | how do i check that ? |
| 14:49.33 | SpeedEvil | find . -cmin -1 in the build dir - will tell you if any file has been written in the last minute |
| 14:49.55 | sreekanth | ok |
| 14:50.37 | sreekanth | i did n get any output for that command |
| 14:50.47 | sreekanth | so i guess there is no file activity |
| 14:51.09 | SpeedEvil | I'd try ctrl-c, then run the command again |
| 14:51.16 | sreekanth | i downloaded the make file using wget as mentioned in wiki |
| 14:51.22 | sreekanth | ok . |
| 14:51.48 | sreekanth | process is not getting terminated when i press ctrl + c |
| 14:52.10 | sreekanth | actaully i am using fedora 8 on AMD Turion 64 bit processor |
| 14:52.49 | SpeedEvil | sorry - busy preparing xmas ATM. |
| 14:52.51 | sreekanth | does this architecture requires any special settings for mokomake? |
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| 14:53.00 | sreekanth | oh .. |
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| 14:53.31 | sreekanth | the above one would be my last question ... |
| 14:53.34 | sreekanth | :) |
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| 14:59.40 | sreekanth | is there any separate MokoMakeFile exists for AMD 64 architecture ? |
| 15:00.31 | Sup3rkiddo | hi all |
| 15:00.38 | NineX|Moko | sreekanth: edit your build/local.conf |
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| 15:01.04 | Sup3rkiddo | sreekanth: na, both are same |
| 15:01.25 | PBeck | hallo |
| 15:01.35 | sreekanth | oh ok .. |
| 15:02.29 | sreekanth | but make setup of MokoMake is not working for me |
| 15:03.12 | sreekanth | i stopped make setup in the middle and when i tried "find . -cmin -1", i got no output indicating that there is no file creation activity |
| 15:03.44 | sreekanth | so i thought that the problem is because of the AMD 64 architecture |
| 15:04.11 | sreekanth | so what could be the reason for that ? Any hints ?? |
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| 15:32.17 | sreekanth | what is OpenEmbedded ? |
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| 15:32.40 | sreekanth | Do I need to install OpenEmbedded for running MokoMakeFile ? |
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| 15:45.50 | hrw | have a nice x-mas |
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| 19:06.20 | Politics101 | Great Youtube Video, this guy should run for president himself!!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZAqZUafCdM |
| 19:10.04 | psycholic | hmm its not |
| 19:10.08 | tsuramoto | i agree |
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| 19:10.18 | gw280 | spambot? |
| 19:10.29 | NineX|Moko | ? |
| 19:10.38 | psycholic | think soo |
| 19:10.53 | psycholic | Politics101: is a bot |
| 19:10.55 | NineX|Moko | what spam boot? |
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| 19:11.34 | ajbrun | it's a bot that spams |
| 19:11.49 | tsuramoto | no, gw280 and me killed it |
| 19:12.00 | gw280 | heh |
| 19:12.12 | NineX|Moko | i will trye contact with ircops |
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| 19:22.20 | Politics101 | Great Youtube Video, this guy should run for president himself!!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZAqZUafCdM |
| 19:22.30 | traza | just a question is the arquitecture (hardware) open too? |
| 19:22.41 | ajbrun | yes traza |
| 19:22.43 | traza | what kind of license is it? |
| 19:22.51 | ajbrun | dunno |
| 19:23.07 | traza | I mena software (clear).. but uh.. dunno.. (looking.. ) |
| 19:23.17 | tsuramoto | okok who resurrected Politics101? |
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| 19:25.37 | mwester | The hardware (Neo) is proprietary in the sense that there are no schematics available. Documentation for most of the components, however, is available. Some selected parts do not have public docs, and the community will have to rely on drivers written by those who have signed the appropriate legal NDA docs. |
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| 19:29.38 | thomasg | well, partly good open source drivers are a better documentation than the official docs |
| 19:35.04 | mjr | iffy, but for some stuff, that's all we're gonna have anyway |
| 19:40.14 | xzcvczx | merry xmas everyone |
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| 19:41.17 | zash | xmas is overated |
| 19:41.25 | gw280 | BAH HUMBUG |
| 19:41.47 | zash | BUG? PATCH IT |
| 19:42.10 | xzcvczx | but its xmas day so i am allowed to say it.... if i had said it in october when most stores here start the christmas decoration thing then it would be wrong |
| 19:42.46 | zash | in october? holy cow |
| 19:44.01 | xzcvczx | indeed |
| 19:57.00 | traza | But is it possible to "control" some hardware device from software ? (example some nokia dont let work with infra-red)... |
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| 19:59.39 | domme | thx, for topic info :) |
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| 20:24.20 | Linux_Galore | Happy Xmas |
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| 20:29.30 | zash | traza: you can control anything that has drivers that let you control stuff |
| 20:30.23 | traza | zash, :s... that sounds like phreaking time is back... |
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| 21:30.35 | zash | hm, http://www.i4u.com/article13643.html |
| 21:36.14 | ahven | The optical touch sensor array supports up to 5 points. |
| 21:36.18 | ahven | sounds nice |
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| 21:42.50 | doc|home | ugh, sony |
| 21:46.19 | moko-bunny | anyone know what the difference between the two heads of the org.openembedded.dev branch on the monotone.openmoko.org server? |
| 21:46.58 | rwhitby | moko-bunny: run "mtn diff -r <head1> -r <head2>" to find out |
| 21:47.03 | moko-bunny | hmmm...there should be an 'is' in there. |
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| 21:48.06 | moko-bunny | okay...cool. mokomakefile hadn't been compiling anything new for about 2 weeks, so I looked carefully at warning messages and it has a complaint about 2 heads, so I manually spec'd the newer head in the makefile. haven't had time to test it yet. |
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| 22:01.01 | moko-bunny | cool....apparently someone merged the heads. We'll see how it builds now :) back to work for me! |
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| 22:45.46 | NineX|Moko | ave |
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| 22:53.28 | paulproteus | Anyone here working on Qtopia code running on the Neo? |
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| 23:06.18 | Vndmtrx | Feliz Yule para todos / Merry Yule for all |
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| 23:28.17 | flexd_ | Merry Christmas! :) |
| 23:33.20 | CVirus | no christmas till I get my Neo1973 |
| 23:43.55 | CVirus | what is XO ? |
| 23:44.32 | CVirus | OLPC ? |
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| 23:45.53 | balrog-kun | yes |
| 23:47.05 | CVirus | is this thing worth taking a look at ? |
| 23:52.54 | mjr | depends what you're looking for |
| 23:54.04 | CVirus | I want my Neo1973 |
| 23:54.46 | CVirus | ewon: the airport ? |
| 23:54.57 | tsuramoto | due weather? |
| 23:55.31 | ewon | CVirus: yes. |
| 23:55.34 | ewon | no, the plane broke. |
| 23:55.56 | CVirus | omg |
| 23:56.00 | CVirus | good luck buddy |
| 23:56.06 | ewon | thanks :) |
| 23:56.49 | LarstiQ | ewon: eek |
| 23:57.04 | LarstiQ | ewon: I hope it is better than my 37hours at MXP |
| 23:57.43 | ewon | crikey |
| 23:59.44 | LarstiQ | I'd recommend not doing that :) |
