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| 00:49.54 | SpeedEvil | Whee - ./build/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20071221-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 00:49.58 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 00:50.21 | SpeedEvil | Annoyingly, my neo is now totally discharged, and I'm doing the slow charge thing |
| 00:52.50 | balrog-kun | real hardware is obsolete anyway :P |
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| 01:51.18 | wurp2 | Can anyone tell me the right place to d/l python packages for gta01? |
| 01:51.24 | wurp2 | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/ ? |
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| 02:22.14 | wurp2 | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/ ? |
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| 06:23.10 | nullpuppy | hmm, sorta stupid question.. i'm interested in picking up the devkit, but seeing as how gta02 is in the works and isn't *that* far off, would it make sense just waiting? or will there be a cheapish upgrade option, or is that even known yet? :) |
| 06:25.13 | Q_Continuum | I'm waiting for the next release, myself |
| 06:25.32 | Q_Continuum | better hardware and supposedly "usable" system |
| 06:25.45 | nullpuppy | hmm |
| 06:25.56 | nullpuppy | is there a detailed listing of whats different between the two? |
| 06:26.03 | mgregso1 | The wifi did it for me. ;) |
| 06:26.21 | nullpuppy | hehe |
| 06:26.23 | nullpuppy | hrm. |
| 06:26.28 | nullpuppy | decisions decisions. |
| 06:26.33 | mgregso1 | I'm also hoping they'll release a 800/1800/1900 version of the gsm |
| 06:26.44 | nullpuppy | i don't want to blow $450 now, just to spend another $300 in 4 months :/ |
| 06:26.49 | mgregso1 | yup |
| 06:26.50 | nullpuppy | yeah. |
| 06:26.58 | nullpuppy | does the current rev work in the US ok? |
| 06:27.09 | nullpuppy | wasn't sure from the community preview page... |
| 06:27.36 | mgregso1 | From my understanding |
| 06:27.45 | nullpuppy | k |
| 06:27.50 | mgregso1 | it doesn't always |
| 06:28.08 | nullpuppy | hrm. |
| 06:28.12 | nullpuppy | well, crap. ;) |
| 06:28.49 | mgregso1 | If my understanding is right, US/Canada uses 850/1900 |
| 06:28.58 | mgregso1 | Ah, finally. |
| 06:29.35 | nullpuppy | lol |
| 06:29.38 | nullpuppy | are you registered? |
| 06:29.44 | nullpuppy | (with freenode) |
| 06:29.51 | mgregson | yes |
| 06:30.03 | nullpuppy | k.. are you familiar with /msg nickserv ghost? :) |
| 06:30.12 | nullpuppy | don't have to wait for timeouts... |
| 06:30.14 | mgregson | ...right... |
| 06:30.16 | mgregson | :$ |
| 06:30.19 | mgregson | forgot that one |
| 06:30.20 | nullpuppy | :) |
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| 06:31.43 | mgregson | Yeah, I was hoping to pick up an 02 around now, but it looks like I'll be waiting a while... |
| 06:32.06 | nullpuppy | grr. hmm. this is tough :/ |
| 06:32.26 | mgregson | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 is the comparison |
| 06:32.38 | nullpuppy | or for that matter.. wonder if anyone near seattle has one for me to take a look at ;) |
| 06:34.52 | mgregson | They look pretty sexy imo |
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| 06:36.51 | nullpuppy | ack! |
| 06:36.54 | nullpuppy | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-June/006005.html |
| 06:37.08 | nullpuppy | according to that, the price will be $450/$600 |
| 06:37.11 | nullpuppy | grr. hmm. |
| 06:38.24 | mgregson | Yeah, I think that's still the going estimate... |
| 06:38.33 | nullpuppy | hrm |
| 06:39.00 | mgregson | Really that seems pretty good for what you're getting. |
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| 06:39.21 | mgregson | It _is_ a smartphone, and it _does_ run linux... ;) |
| 06:39.38 | nullpuppy | hehe, yeah ;) |
| 06:39.39 | nullpuppy | i know. |
| 06:39.51 | nullpuppy | but, damn. i don't to spend that much! ;) |
| 06:40.00 | nullpuppy | i could get an unlocked iphone cheaper.. |
| 06:40.01 | nullpuppy | oh well. |
| 06:40.11 | mgregson | Really? |
| 06:40.49 | nullpuppy | well, maybe not. i dunno :) |
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| 06:41.32 | mgregson | My biggest complaint is the delay. I lost my last phone and I need to replace it. |
| 06:41.43 | nullpuppy | yeah |
| 06:42.01 | mgregson | I'd really like to know what to expect with 850 band support since I spend a lot of time in areas that only have 850 coverage |
| 06:42.36 | nullpuppy | yeah. |
| 06:43.03 | mgregson | Do you know what 1900 coverage is like in the US? |
| 06:43.35 | nullpuppy | no idea. |
| 06:44.32 | nullpuppy | don't know much about the actual tech behind the cell coverage and networks. |
| 06:45.12 | nullpuppy | looking at the diffs between the 01 and 02, i'm gonna have to wait. |
| 06:45.16 | mgregson | http://www.rentcell.com/coverage-map-usa-gsm.htm |
| 06:45.17 | mgregson | ? |
| 06:45.33 | nullpuppy | guess i'll have to spend the next little while setting up the sdk and stuff and learning my way around the dev environment ;) |
| 06:46.23 | nullpuppy | hmm, interesting. |
| 06:47.10 | nullpuppy | http://www.fido.ca/portal/en/packages/unitedstates.shtml |
| 06:47.17 | nullpuppy | that has 850/1900 listed |
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| 06:50.27 | nullpuppy | alright, well, i'm gonna head to bed. |
| 06:53.47 | mgregson | same here |
| 06:53.54 | mgregson | so far as I know, fido's coverage is mostly 1900 |
| 06:55.00 | mgregson | at least, in canada |
| 06:55.04 | mgregson | anyways |
| 06:55.05 | mgregson | cya |
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| 07:30.42 | raddy | Hello Everbody |
| 07:31.09 | raddy | Try i tried to flash a jiffs |
| 07:31.38 | raddy | but the flash processes took so long and didn't succeed |
| 07:31.47 | raddy | What shall i do? |
| 07:34.35 | raddy | Anybody there? |
| 07:35.50 | Aria | Try again? How'd it fail? |
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| 07:54.53 | raddy | Hello Everybody |
| 07:54.57 | raddy | Please help |
| 07:55.11 | raddy | I didn't nand erase rootfs clean |
| 07:55.24 | raddy | got some errors and suceeded |
| 07:55.51 | blindcoder | moin |
| 07:55.54 | raddy | Then i tried to flash a jiffs into it |
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| 07:56.08 | raddy | But it is not getting suceeded :( |
| 07:56.25 | raddy | Is the filesystem partition got borked? |
| 07:57.02 | rwhitby | do nand erase rootfs, then re dfu-util download the rootfs |
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| 08:00.21 | raddy | rwhitby : is this problem is caused by nand erase? |
| 08:01.11 | rwhitby | as you said you didn't nand erase, and then got errors, I'm assuming you have an old version of u-boot which doesn't do the nand erase automatically when flashing a new rootfs. |
| 08:01.29 | rwhitby | if that's the case, then the lack of nand erase is the problem. |
| 08:02.29 | raddy | rwhitby : nope, i ran nand erase rootfs clean, got some errors, then succeeded, now not able flash new rootfs :( |
| 08:03.02 | SpeedEvil | Can anyone point me to how I go from a bitbake recipie to an ipkg? |
| 08:03.09 | rwhitby | raddy: what do you mean by "got some errors, then succeeded" - you need to be more explicit when asking for help. |
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| 08:07.43 | raddy | rwhitby : i got this error :( mtd erase failure -22 |
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| 08:12.19 | raddy | rwhitby : did you get any idea? |
| 08:18.39 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:18.49 | SpeedEvil | rwhitby: thanks for MMF! I just finished my first build (with minor hackery) Now to try installing it |
| 08:19.37 | zilux | raddy: mtd error, the battery is charged enough? |
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| 08:21.17 | raddy | zilux : it might changed fully, when i ran nand erase rootfs didn't get any error |
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| 08:31.51 | raddy | Hello Everybody |
| 08:32.09 | raddy | The phone was pluggin in the usb port |
| 08:32.20 | raddy | was trying to flash it, |
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| 08:35.03 | ynezz | raddy: it's exact error message? |
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| 08:59.45 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 08:59.50 | SpeedEvil | Mokomakefiled. |
| 09:00.00 | SpeedEvil | dfu-util'd |
| 09:00.06 | SpeedEvil | Now, to boot! |
| 09:00.24 | SpeedEvil | me presses the small round button of doom. |
| 09:03.20 | goxboxlive | doesnt work :-) SpeedEvil do you know where i can get the old uboot, from May? |
| 09:05.48 | SpeedEvil | It boots! |
| 09:06.55 | goxboxlive | SpeedEvil: what uboot version are you using? |
| 09:07.08 | SpeedEvil | the one that came with my device |
| 09:07.09 | goxboxlive | mail it to me please. |
| 09:07.22 | goxboxlive | ahh, the one i overwrite :-) |
| 09:07.31 | goxboxlive | stupid me didnt do a backup :-) |
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| 09:09.04 | SpeedEvil | I'm not sure overwriting is the correct thing to do |
| 09:09.33 | goxboxlive | SpeedEvil: but i can delete it while running it can i? |
| 09:09.42 | goxboxlive | nand erase uboot ? |
| 09:09.52 | goxboxlive | sounds scary :-) |
| 09:10.30 | SpeedEvil | I don't know. |
| 09:15.30 | rwhitby | goxboxlive: hope you have a debug board ... |
| 09:16.17 | goxboxlive | rwhitby: yes |
| 09:16.19 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 09:16.32 | NineX|Moko | ave |
| 09:16.42 | rwhitby | goxboxlive: then you don't need to ask - just try it and see. |
| 09:17.14 | goxboxlive | rwhitby: i will when i get homw, but i just need to get the u-boot that came with the phone because of the bug in the new one |
| 09:17.36 | rwhitby | there are plenty of documented working u-boot versions. |
| 09:17.51 | rwhitby | the one in the 2007.8 snapshot worked fine. |
| 09:18.11 | torpor | oh man |
| 09:18.38 | goxboxlive | rwhitby: all i needed to know, thx. |
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| 09:19.08 | NineX | :> |
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| 10:07.20 | kinneh | this is gonna take forever NOTE: Running task 160 of 5303 (ID: 894, /home/han/moko/openembedded/packages/glibc/glibc-intermediate_2.5.bb, do_compile) |
| 10:10.18 | mbuf | kinneh, time to watch a movie? |
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| 10:11.14 | ynezz | s/movie/movies/ |
| 10:12.03 | SpeedEvil | kinneh: good news. Tasks after 25oo take about 1/2 the time |
| 10:12.08 | SpeedEvil | 2500 |
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| 10:15.11 | kinneh | more like 10 movies |
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| 12:04.08 | goxboxlive | rwhitby: thanks a lot. Now it boots with the power button. |
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| 12:15.53 | xcasex | bollocks. |
| 12:15.57 | xcasex | canola 2 is css. |
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| 12:57.56 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03chris * r3715 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (ChangeLog src/util/event.c): |
| 12:57.58 | CIA-15 | openmoko: * src/util/event.c: (inds_handler): |
| 12:58.00 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Delivery status type is in sms->stat, not |
| 12:58.02 | CIA-15 | openmoko: sms->payload.coding_scheme (which is always zero) |
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| 13:00.15 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03chris * r3716 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 13:00.15 | CIA-15 | openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-network.c: (gsmd_eventhandler): |
| 13:00.15 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Send all delivery status events |
| 13:00.15 | CIA-15 | openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-sms-dbus.xml: |
| 13:00.15 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Make delivery status report optional |
| 13:00.17 | CIA-15 | openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-sms.c: (on_incoming_ds), (on_send_sms), |
| 13:00.21 | CIA-15 | openmoko: (moko_sms_send): |
| 13:01.31 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03chris * r3717 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (ChangeLog src/sms-compose.c src/sms-notes.c src/sms.h): |
| 13:01.31 | CIA-15 | openmoko: * src/sms.h: |
| 13:01.31 | CIA-15 | openmoko: * src/sms-compose.c: (send_clicked_cb), (sms_compose_page_new): |
| 13:01.31 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Add a check-box for delivery status reports, adapt to altered API in |
| 13:01.31 | CIA-15 | openmoko: phone-kit |
| 13:01.33 | CIA-15 | openmoko: * src/sms-notes.c: (mark_messages_read_idle): |
| 13:01.37 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Fix possible crash when marking messages as read |
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| 14:15.11 | magellan | hello all |
| 14:15.28 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03chris * r3718 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (ChangeLog src/sms-notes.c): |
| 14:15.28 | CIA-15 | openmoko: * src/sms-notes.c: (mark_messages_read_idle): |
| 14:15.28 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Fix to possible crash actually caused infinite loop. Fix properly. |
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| 14:22.47 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03chris * r3719 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (ChangeLog src/util/event.c): |
| 14:22.47 | CIA-15 | openmoko: * src/util/event.c: (inds_handler): |
| 14:22.47 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Back out change - sms->stat just contains junk (uninitialised?) |
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| 14:28.49 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03chris * r3720 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-sms.c): |
| 14:28.49 | CIA-15 | openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-sms.c: (on_incoming_ds): |
| 14:28.49 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Delivery status types were read correctly, seems gsmd always reports |
| 14:28.49 | CIA-15 | openmoko: REC_UNREAD, regardless of ds type? |
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| 14:44.46 | psycholic | so how is the phone working |
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| 14:57.33 | kamathln | kernel parameters insult a780 kernels |
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| 15:19.50 | balrog-kun | hey mickeyl |
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| 15:20.21 | balrog-kun | mickeyl: the qtopia skin is at http://folks.o-hand.com/andrew/ficgta01.skin/ but it's not as well done as i remembered :p |
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| 15:20.23 | mickeyl | yo balrog-kun |
| 15:21.15 | balrog-kun | you can see the scalling-up of the original image in some places |
| 15:21.35 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 15:21.45 | mickeyl | i'm using mine for the time being, although this is not cut out |
| 15:21.47 | mickeyl | http://svnweb.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/xoo/neo1973.jpg?rev=3702&view=markup |
| 15:21.54 | mickeyl | i photographed this yesterday |
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| 15:23.19 | balrog-kun | mickeyl: looks good, although the lighting could be more uniform |
| 15:23.57 | mickeyl | true |
| 15:24.01 | mickeyl | i suck at photographing... |
| 15:26.56 | balrog-kun | :) |
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| 15:30.53 | mwester | I would imagine that it would be easier to do a very nice job on applying the protectors on the neo, given that one could just remove the lcd so easily. |
| 15:31.26 | SpeedEvil | yeah - it is. |
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| 15:31.38 | jorgenpt | SpeedEvil: Are you using it? Is it good? |
| 15:31.45 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 15:31.53 | jorgenpt | I am interested! |
| 15:31.53 | SpeedEvil | It's one of the silicone based ones. |
| 15:32.00 | SpeedEvil | It's got a silicone jelly-layer on the back. |
| 15:32.06 | SpeedEvil | and then a hard face |
| 15:32.06 | jorgenpt | Shipping from where? |
| 15:32.10 | SpeedEvil | UK |
| 15:32.36 | jorgenpt | Will I have to wait till you ebay it? |
| 15:32.59 | SpeedEvil | Or send paypal. |
| 15:33.13 | SpeedEvil | with your address. |
| 15:33.25 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03sameo * r3721 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-ng/ (8 files): |
| 15:33.25 | CIA-15 | openmoko: ar6k-ng: First working ar6k driver running on the kernel SDIO stack. |
| 15:33.25 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Mainly s3cmci fixes, but we now get to the point where eth0 gets |
| 15:33.25 | CIA-15 | openmoko: registered. Which means that we do PIO rw and get SDIO IRQs properly. |
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| 15:34.50 | Megapower_17 | ezayak yad |
| 15:35.28 | Megapower_17 | hi all |
| 15:39.44 | balrog-kun | hello Megapower |
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| 15:48.29 | Tek_Grmln | hello |
| 15:48.50 | Tek_Grmln | can someone tell me how to take a screen shot of the phone |
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| 15:48.54 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 15:48.58 | Tek_Grmln | I tried gpe-scap |
| 15:49.11 | bedboi | what's the best qtopia image available? |
| 15:49.15 | Tek_Grmln | but I cant get it to take a shot of the app I want |
| 15:49.40 | zedstar | tek_grmln search for screen shot on wiki |
| 15:49.47 | mickeyl | Tek_Grmln: hold AUX button |
| 15:49.50 | mickeyl | until menu pops up |
| 15:49.58 | Tek_Grmln | sweet |
| 15:50.00 | Tek_Grmln | thanks |
| 15:50.04 | mickeyl | np |
| 15:50.23 | Tek_Grmln | I am a retard, I am sure I have seen that menu before 2 |
| 15:50.24 | hrw | s/menu/ugly window/ |
| 15:50.42 | mickeyl | hrw: heh, you were the one who wanted it fullscreen. blame yourself :D |
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| 15:51.00 | hrw | mickeyl: I wanted power menu fullscreen |
| 15:51.08 | mickeyl | now you got everything fullscreen |
| 15:51.23 | mickeyl | and yes, it#s ugly. i'm going to fix this in q2/2008 :D |
| 15:51.26 | mickeyl | MickeyOS |
| 15:51.29 | mickeyl | bbiab, dinner |
| 15:51.34 | hrw | smacznego mickey|dinner |
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| 15:51.38 | mickey|dinner | merci |
| 15:52.24 | mwester | Well, at least I can use the new menu^H^Hwiindow with my thumb, so it's not all bad. |
| 15:53.06 | hrw | I prefer to run gpe-scap by hand now |
| 15:53.09 | hrw | much faster |
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| 16:39.10 | mickey|dinner | mwester: yeah, that was the idea in enlarging it |
| 16:40.56 | bedboi | damn i'm reflashing my neo with qtopia but i'm having kernel panic |
| 16:41.12 | bedboi | unable to mount root |
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| 16:52.46 | balrog-kun | bedboi: that should be some rather obvious mistake, like wrong file flashed or wrong partition or something |
| 16:53.42 | balrog-kun | compressed image etc |
| 16:54.00 | bedboi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:02.28 | bedboi | is this ok: setenv bootargs_base rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock4 console=tty0 loglevel=8 |
| 17:02.30 | bedboi | ? |
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| 17:22.47 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03chris * r3722 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (ChangeLog src/sms-main.c src/sms-notes.c src/sms.h): |
| 17:22.47 | CIA-15 | openmoko: * src/sms-main.c: |
| 17:22.47 | CIA-15 | openmoko: * src/sms-notes.c: (sms_notes_data_func), (sms_notes_page_new): |
| 17:22.47 | CIA-15 | openmoko: * src/sms.h: |
| 17:22.47 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Add emblem support for sent/sending/rejected messages |
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| 17:24.45 | mmontour | bedboi: make sure you're including ${mtdparts} in the kernel bootargs |
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| 17:49.07 | kdean06 | Is it possible to tether a Neo to an EDGE phone via bluetooth like the Maemo does? |
| 17:51.07 | magellan | Speed Evil: are you around? |
| 17:51.43 | mjr | kdean06, sure |
| 17:52.32 | anrp | 2.5G + 2.75G = 5.25G? |
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| 18:07.04 | cbrake | anyone know you the ar6k wifi driver is progressing? |
| 18:07.09 | cbrake | *know how |
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| 18:31.31 | wurp2 | I was told the other day that it (the wifi driver) is working |
| 18:31.53 | wurp2 | I think it's in the archives on this channel for yesterday or the day before |
| 18:32.36 | zilux | +/- OT: phone speaking through ear: |
| 18:32.40 | zilux | http://www.metimes.com/Technology/2007/12/20/phone_devise_lets_you_speak_through_ear/6587/ |
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| 18:34.02 | kdean06 | That's actually pretty neat. :) |
| 18:34.11 | wurp2 | wow, very nice! |
| 18:34.47 | zilux | if it works, could perhaps also improve voice recognition |
| 18:35.59 | wurp2 | Does anyone have a recommendation of where to pick up python ipk files for the neo? What I see on the wiki tells me to get ScaredyCats files... |
| 18:38.16 | thomasg | zilux: that's nothing new. there already are headsets that use the bones in the ear to do that. |
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| 18:41.27 | thomasg | zilux: http://www.bluetomorrow.com/content/section/421/578/ |
| 18:41.58 | zilux | thomasg: thanks |
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| 19:04.55 | hhf423 | moin |
| 19:05.20 | hhf423 | so the SMS notification bug is closed, thats good news |
| 19:06.39 | hhf423 | how do I change the background picture? |
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| 19:07.51 | emdete | wurp2: which python-modules do you need? |
| 19:12.03 | Marcel_M | hhf423: cp your pic to /usr/share/pixmaps/wallpaper.png |
| 19:12.56 | hhf423 | Marcel_M: let me try that |
| 19:13.19 | hhf423 | ah, cool, that works. thanks! |
| 19:13.39 | Marcel_M | :) |
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| 19:14.41 | wurp2 | emdete: Sorry for the slow response... I'd like pycairo, psyco, and anything needed for the bluetooth stuff to start with |
| 19:15.24 | wurp2 | My neo was just delivered today - I haven't seen it yet, so I dunno what comes on the standard jffs rootfs |
| 19:16.57 | emdete | phew, that's alot. i never check cairo. probably best to build it yourself. |
| 19:17.13 | emdete | wurp2: where do you come from? |
| 19:17.29 | wurp2 | emdete: Dallas/Fort Worth area in Texas |
| 19:18.10 | emdete | that's probably too far to ask you if you attend fosdem :( |
| 19:18.15 | wurp2 | I'm very excited about it, but I'm not sure how much I'll actually get done on it - I have a full time job & a family |
| 19:18.51 | emdete | i made good advance with my idea when i started to do everything in python |
| 19:19.02 | wurp2 | Nah, we only visit Europe for a week or two every three years :-( |
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| 19:19.59 | emdete | hey, thats alot! i visit America much more seldon ;) |
| 19:20.38 | wurp2 | I've been really impressed by some python projects I've seen recently - pyroute, turbogears |
| 19:21.04 | wurp2 | And the code for dealing with bluetooth on the neo in python is beautiful |
| 19:21.04 | emdete | ..gajim, exaile, |
| 19:21.31 | emdete | i only tried pan. that works fine with shell scripts |
| 19:22.04 | wurp2 | Ooo, I need to get exaile |
| 19:22.23 | wurp2 | I have some ideas for exaile + gps + networking |
| 19:22.28 | emdete | yes, discovered that recently. okay, it's not bug free but it is amazing what it can do |
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| 19:30.54 | wurp2 | emdete: So, do you have any recommendations on where to pick up my python packages? :-) |
| 19:31.10 | emdete | localhost ;) |
| 19:31.18 | emdete | build those you need your own |
| 19:31.36 | emdete | setup a http server and put that into neo's ipkg list |
| 19:31.42 | emdete | it's easy |
| 19:31.48 | wurp2 | ugh, I was hoping to avoid building a cross compilation env for a while |
| 19:31.52 | emdete | i do that all the time |
| 19:32.08 | wurp2 | yeah, it's the initial set-up I wanted to put off |
| 19:32.12 | emdete | hm, it cost a day and 10GB... but it works fine |
| 19:32.13 | wurp2 | and... |
| 19:32.28 | wurp2 | I do it infrequently enough that by the time I do it again, I would prolly have to set it up anew |
| 19:32.52 | emdete | witch mokomakefile no problem. i work exactly that way |
| 19:33.13 | wurp2 | OK, cool |
| 19:33.35 | emdete | there are not that many people out there intersted in python on the neo |
| 19:33.57 | wurp2 | Thanks for the feedback. It always sucks to launch into one of these things not knowing whether to expect it to be straightforward or a beating |
| 19:34.08 | wurp2 | Yeah, I see a lot of people doing C |
| 19:34.15 | wurp2 | C for apps is bad, bad, bad |
| 19:34.37 | wurp2 | I saw someone on this very group a couple of days ago arguing against Java on security grounds |
| 19:34.40 | wurp2 | ?!? |
| 19:34.42 | emdete | c rocks but for development python is faster. if i know how to do it i can decide to put thing into c |
| 19:35.12 | mjr | I've seen interest in python. And have it. |
| 19:35.19 | wurp2 | It is very easy to do evil things to memory in C |
| 19:35.19 | emdete | okay, i don't like java but security policy is just great there for a mobile |
| 19:35.22 | wurp2 | accidentally |
| 19:35.34 | wurp2 | Yeah, I dunno about java for the mobile - I don't have experience |
| 19:35.37 | emdete | mjr: okay, we are 3 :D |
| 19:35.58 | wurp2 | and arguments that it sucks memory, and is constraining, are accurate |
| 19:36.02 | emdete | wurp2: shure - i maintain a dfb-python binding. it's like hell ;) |
| 19:36.08 | wurp2 | arguments that it's less secure than C are crazy |
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| 19:36.33 | emdete | but i wouldn like java on my neo if python is avaiable |
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| 19:36.42 | wurp2 | I'll prolly do almost all my work on the neo in python |
| 19:36.46 | wurp2 | yeah, me neither |
| 19:37.11 | mjr | wurp2, me, too |
| 19:37.13 | anrp | i think that if you want consumer acceptance, you'll need java, simply to run all the java apps written for cell phones |
| 19:37.20 | anrp | even if you don't code in it |
| 19:37.27 | wurp2 | Probably true |
| 19:37.29 | emdete | i did a gmsd prototype in python an even that is fast enough |
| 19:37.32 | mjr | and I've picked up my python packages from the usual repos, btw |
| 19:37.42 | wurp2 | build the app & debug in python, then rewrite in Java :-) |
| 19:37.50 | anrp | ...? |
| 19:37.54 | emdete | anrp: if you have better apps who wants that java crap? :D |
| 19:38.03 | anrp | people who don't want to rewrite |
| 19:38.04 | wurp2 | mjr, can you point me at the usual repos? |
| 19:38.40 | wurp2 | I think I could probably write it in python, debug, then rewrite in java almost as fast as just writing in Java |
| 19:38.54 | mjr | buildhost.openmoko.org |
| 19:39.11 | anrp | welllll. ok, i can't really comment on that ~_~ |
| 19:40.24 | wurp2 | I have a *lot* of java experience |
| 19:40.35 | wurp2 | and a medium amount of python experience |
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| 19:42.45 | emdete | mwester: just fine for a language like python ;) |
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| 19:43.12 | Twey | wurp2: Why rewrite it in Java? |
| 19:43.20 | mwester | I'd prefer to do my app development in Perl, but I'm forced to accept that the CPU and memory limitations don't let me use the greatest features of that language, and as a result, Perl that runs efficiently on a Neo looks rather like C. |
| 19:43.25 | wurp2 | If you're doing commercial stuff, to hit a bigger market |
| 19:43.36 | Twey | mwester, heh |
| 19:43.46 | emdete | wurp2: buildhost is lacking some python packages i needed (i.e. ctypes), thats the cause i build myown repo |
| 19:43.49 | Twey | wurp2: Just for the Neo? |
| 19:43.54 | wurp2 | nah |
| 19:43.58 | Twey | Oh, OK |
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| 19:45.21 | wurp2 | Neo seems like an ideal platform to build some of the blindingly obvious things cell phones should do but don't, show the app to investors, then go rewrite targetting more mass market phones (and get a licensing deal so you can actually distribute to them) |
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| 19:46.25 | SliMM | hello |
| 19:46.54 | SliMM | when will be neo1973 launched? |
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| 19:47.06 | SliMM | the second version, of course |
| 19:47.14 | wurp2 | the gta02, in March, we're told |
| 19:47.18 | mickeyl | wurp2: excellent analysis |
| 19:47.20 | wurp2 | I gave in and bought an 01 last week |
| 19:47.52 | wurp2 | mickeyl: thx :-) |
| 19:48.11 | Vegar | no devices before march? |
| 19:48.21 | SpeedEvil | No 02 |
| 19:49.09 | SliMM | oh :( |
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| 19:50.26 | wurp2 | emdete: I don't suppose you'd post a list of the python pkgs you've built on the wiki and let people request downloads? :-) |
| 19:50.36 | hrw | re |
| 19:51.01 | emdete | wurp2: no, not now... when you asked i just thought of doing so... ;) |
| 19:51.05 | hrw | wurp2: not on the wiki but request those packages to be built and put in official feeds rather |
| 19:51.22 | hrw | gta02 in March... would be nice |
| 19:51.35 | hrw | now, when wifi even works... |
| 19:52.20 | wurp2 | Yeah, I think I'm going to be more concerned about power management :-) |
| 19:52.32 | SpeedEvil | What are the PM problems in 02v4? |
| 19:52.33 | wurp2 | I want all the cool stuff, but I want to be able to use it as a phone first |
| 19:52.34 | hrw | wurp2: but I am not such optimist |
| 19:53.33 | SpeedEvil | strcpy(movie,"Snakes on a plane"); |
| 19:55.47 | wurp2 | that's scary |
| 19:55.53 | hrw|tv | no - true lies again |
| 19:55.58 | wurp2 | not the movie title; not using strncpy |
| 19:56.33 | hrw|tv | mickeyl: gta02v5 is final? |
| 19:56.47 | mickeyl | hrw|tv: unclear |
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| 19:57.24 | hrw|tv | mickeyl: wifi works with v2 (or v4), glamo starts to work for x11... |
| 19:57.55 | hrw|tv | mickeyl: does mmc-over-glamo works at all? |
| 19:58.19 | mickeyl | hrw|tv: not yet confirmed from within linux. |
| 19:58.28 | hrw|tv | ok |
| 19:58.44 | hrw|tv | so v5 being final is really unclear |
| 19:58.47 | mickeyl | yep |
| 19:59.08 | hrw|tv | again some pullups to add/remove etc... |
| 20:00.26 | mjr | mickeyl, though I don't see how, are there any potential additional issues visible in getting sdhc through the glamo? |
| 20:00.26 | mickeyl | possible |
| 20:00.49 | mickeyl | and to my knowledge no one has got any signal from the accels up to date |
| 20:00.51 | hrw|tv | mjr: if you get sd/mmc working then sdhc will also work |
| 20:01.02 | mjr | ack |
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| 20:01.23 | mjr | hrw|tv, that's pretty much what I thought, just wasn't positive |
| 20:01.23 | roh | aslong as the verification of all componets is not done completely its all just speculation ;) |
| 20:01.34 | hrw|tv | mjr: pxa zauruses works nice with 8gb sdhc |
| 20:01.49 | hrw|tv | when vendor (sharp) released it with 1GB cards max |
| 20:02.18 | hrw|tv | larger ones should also works |
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| 20:05.37 | mjr | Oh, they estimate two weeks for delivery. Maybe I'll stick an order in, can't hurt. |
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| 20:08.41 | mjr | will also have to bag a regular size 8-gigger for the XO :P~ |
| 20:10.41 | wurp2 | How much are the 8 gig microsds? |
| 20:11.13 | zilux | Here a 4GB, mostly for the Reiseplaner maps |
| 20:11.28 | mjr | 87 euros list price here, hope they actually get them in the two weeks though... |
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| 20:12.25 | wurp2 | I think I'll wait for that to drop |
| 20:12.36 | wurp2 | It's too much for us poor Americans ;-) |
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| 20:13.36 | mjr | bushels of toilet paper money, I'm sure |
| 20:15.20 | anrp | flash is right around $10/gb now |
| 20:15.56 | wurp2 | Yeah, except that's like $15/gb |
| 20:16.19 | mjr | it's also with the Finland price bonus |
| 20:16.38 | anrp | a bonus :B |
| 20:16.49 | wurp2 | Very nice if you really need 8gb, but I think I'll make do with what I have + internet access |
| 20:17.05 | wurp2 | er, network access via bluetooth |
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| 20:17.45 | mjr | oh wait, they aren't! |
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| 20:18.38 | mjr | Transcend 16GB (non-micro)SDHC 113 euros, I'll bag that |
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| 20:19.10 | |R | you can get them for 115 USD off eBay |
| 20:20.22 | xpgs | please can somebody help me , I have lost my jtag cable |
| 20:20.35 | mjr | plus shipping, quite possible taxes on the border if from outside EU, and added inconvenience in case of problems |
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| 20:21.28 | |R | mjr : hehe maybe :) |
| 20:21.41 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r173 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Fixed the name of the toolchain bitbake command |
| 20:22.22 | mjr | anyway, yum, my (eventually arriving...) XO will have plenty of storage then |
| 20:22.33 | wurp2 | xpgs: what help do you want? |
| 20:22.57 | xpgs | where can i get it ? I checked local markets but couldn't get it |
| 20:23.14 | wurp2 | xpgs: Sorry, I dunno :-( |
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| 20:24.02 | xpgs | :(( |
| 20:26.26 | wurp2 | xpgs: I dunno what kind of jtag you need... is http://hri.sourceforge.net/tools/jtag_faq_org.html#_Toc63218720 of help? |
| 20:26.43 | wurp2 | I mean, I know you need one for the neo, but I dunno anything about the neo jtags :-) |
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| 20:27.38 | mwester | xpgs: I presume you mean the flexible strip that connects the Neo to the debug board? |
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| 20:27.56 | xpgs | yeah mwester |
| 20:28.25 | mwester | You'll need to contact openmoko for that; that's not a standard part. |
| 20:29.11 | xpgs | ok will do that , but will openmoko ship only flexible strip |
| 20:29.43 | mwester | Dunno, you'll have to ask them. :( |
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| 21:22.51 | yoyo | hi to all |
| 21:23.10 | wurp2 | hey |
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| 21:31.42 | galevsky | hi |
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| 22:25.09 | yoyo | so quiet |
| 22:25.42 | yoyo | quiet before the storm ? |
| 22:26.30 | zash | or the storming? |
| 22:28.05 | wurp2 | It's early in the morning in asia, and late in europe, so no traffic here :-) |
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| 22:37.15 | yoyo | I'm looking for embedded bluetooth serial. dose someone have something like it? |
| 22:39.07 | nelson | what do you mean "embedded bluetooth serial"? |
| 22:40.22 | yoyo | bluetooth embedded yy dil, electronic circuit, serial yyy with rfcomm stack |
| 22:42.36 | yoyo | poland is strange contry. you can by a 70` lcd but when you go tu electronics's shop they don't know about existing something like bluetooth. |
| 22:43.41 | Stephmw | funny, that's like my local Dixons :) |
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| 22:46.49 | nelson | yoyo: I'm sorry, what's a yy dil? |
| 22:47.24 | nelson | and, since you know about rfcomm, then you must know that that's all that's needed on the openmoko end. |
| 22:47.33 | yoyo | circuit board you can do in dil technology or smd ,... |
| 22:49.14 | balrog-kun | "Dual in-line package" according to wikipedia |
| 22:50.18 | nelson | ahhh, well, there's a bunch of manufacturers who make serial bluetooth modules. |
| 22:51.22 | nelson | The only one I've worked with is the BlueSMiRF |
| 22:51.23 | yoyo | nelson: I know that. but any of that manufacturers are saling in poland :/ |
| 22:51.42 | nelson | Not being Polish, I couldn't say. |
| 22:52.03 | nelson | Spark Fun Electronics sells the BlueSMiRF. |
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| 22:53.03 | nelson | I could find Poland on a map pretty reliably. Just head for Germany and turn right. You can't miss it. |
| 22:53.13 | anrp | its .. over yonder |
| 22:53.19 | nelson | across the pond. |
| 22:53.38 | anrp | keep going, you can't miss it |
| 22:53.40 | nelson | over the hills, and through the woods. |
| 22:53.50 | Stephmw | over the mountains and bye the bye |
| 22:53.58 | nelson | To yoyo's house we go! |
| 22:54.01 | yoyo | nelson: yes on the east of germany |
| 22:54.03 | anrp | :o |
| 22:54.06 | yoyo | hyhyh |
| 22:58.23 | balrog-kun | over the rainbow |
| 23:00.14 | yoyo | next grate example about what in the country where I live :/ see planet.openmoko.org :.../ |
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| 23:18.38 | yoyo | I'w got it !! :) |
| 23:20.05 | nelson | mickey|zzZZzz: X11 is the way to go rather than fb because ONE OF THESE DAYS we'll get X display migration working, and then when you walk up to your desktop, your phone/pda/tablet applications will simply move over to your X display. |
| 23:20.25 | nelson | yoyo: what do you have? Did you find a Polish vendor for a bluetooth serial device? |
| 23:20.45 | ljp | and vnc can do the same |
| 23:20.56 | yoyo | nelson: yes ! |
| 23:21.14 | nelson | ljp: you could also duct-tape your mobile device to your desktop's monitor. |
| 23:21.32 | yoyo | hahahah ;) |
| 23:22.19 | Stephmw | nelson: I vote for fb ;) |
| 23:22.20 | Linux_Galore | hmm N810 doesnt play ogg, how sucky is that |
| 23:22.41 | Stephmw | nelson: make people realise they need to rethink their UI instead of squeezing GIMP into 640x480 |
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| 23:23.25 | nelson | Stephmw: well, yes, that's my point: that applications need to realize that 1) they might have to run on a really small screen, and 2) they might have to change sizes mid-stream. |
| 23:23.44 | nelson | I have a lot of hope for X, now that it's being run by sane people. |
| 23:23.47 | Stephmw | nelson: you'd be surprised how many people don't think they need to make any changes |
| 23:23.52 | Linux_Galore | Stephmw: same issue with the ASUS eee-pc, apps not hacked before hand look horrible on it low res scren |
| 23:23.58 | Linux_Galore | screen* |
| 23:24.20 | Stephmw | nelson: I've had to deal with a number of project managers on this point before |
| 23:24.26 | nelson | Stephmw: one of these days I need to weld up my own ClueBringer, the Sword of Education. |
| 23:24.37 | Stephmw | mine's got iron studs |
| 23:24.38 | Linux_Galore | I have my doubts about using X on small devices |
| 23:24.54 | nelson | Linux_Galore: works great. |
| 23:25.35 | nelson | Linux_Galore: been doing it since 1999 on my Compaq iPAQ. |
| 23:25.57 | Linux_Galore | nelson: just because on can do it doesnt mean its the right tool |
| 23:26.01 | Linux_Galore | one* |
| 23:26.09 | nelson | I always wanted to do a Python-only system for it ... call it pyPAQ. |
| 23:26.40 | Linux_Galore | nelson: rename it s slowpaq |
| 23:26.48 | nelson | Linux_Galore: why wouldn't it be the right tool? Maybe we should argue about text editors instead -- there's so much more fun there. |
| 23:26.49 | Linux_Galore | nelson: rename it a slowpaq |
| 23:27.00 | nelson | why? It wasn't slow. |
| 23:27.26 | nelson | Clearly you're a man of strong opinions and little experience. |
| 23:27.30 | Stephmw | nelson: aye, it's tough to argue abstracts :) we need mickeyl to get his benchmark done with acceleration && get some usability guys onboard |
| 23:27.59 | Stephmw | talking of speed, Swing on SavaJe hardware was just fine |
| 23:28.10 | Stephmw | and that was on par with the Neo |
| 23:28.32 | nelson | Stephmw: If you have any doubts about X, we need to send you to X re-education camp with Jim Gettys. |
| 23:29.10 | Stephmw | nelson: my doubts aren't based on X's technical features |
| 23:29.24 | Stephmw | nelson: I just think it's unecessary to have so many |
| 23:30.10 | nelson | Oh, there's no battle .... X has won. |
| 23:30.31 | zash | over what? |
| 23:30.37 | borg_ | does someone here have an example navit.xml ? |
| 23:30.42 | nelson | writing directly to the frame buffer. |
| 23:30.45 | Stephmw | zash: some direct fb toolkit |
| 23:30.56 | Stephmw | zash: DirectFB or related |
| 23:30.56 | bluelightning | I'm still unconvinced of the utility of X on a small form-factor device for the average person |
| 23:31.15 | bluelightning | for technical people, sure, it's useful, but otherwise... |
| 23:31.37 | nelson | bluelightning: well, first, none of us are average, and what we should be doing is making the benefits available to everybody, not giving up on them. |
| 23:31.50 | bluelightning | nelson: what benefits though? |
| 23:32.02 | Linux_Galore | nelson have you seen Canola runnung on a Nokia web tablet, it doesnt use X at all http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/ |
| 23:32.02 | bluelightning | (that the average person is likely to find useful) |
| 23:32.08 | nelson | display transparency. |
| 23:32.19 | bluelightning | nelson: for? |
| 23:32.22 | nelson | Linux_Galore: oh, well now I'm *sure* I don't want to use Canola. |
| 23:32.28 | nelson | dinner beckons, bye. |
| 23:33.01 | Stephmw | pretty much everything nowdays supports compositing |
| 23:33.20 | bluelightning | I'm not sure that's what he meant by display transparency... |
| 23:33.39 | bluelightning | at least I hope not |
| 23:33.55 | bluelightning | not particularly convincing if it was |
| 23:33.59 | Stephmw | think he meant more something like screen portability? |
| 23:34.03 | ljp | i want _real_ transparency where I can see the innards of the device on teh screen |
| 23:34.10 | Stephmw | ljp: haha |
| 23:34.11 | bluelightning | Stephmw: that's what I assumed |
| 23:34.21 | Stephmw | ljp: didn't Nokia release a phone like that? |
| 23:34.24 | bluelightning | ljp: heh |
| 23:34.47 | Stephmw | bluelightning: right - I'm not sure why he thinks FB toolkits don't allow such portability |
| 23:34.50 | zash | ljp: old style b/w lcd-screens without background? |
| 23:34.52 | Linux_Galore | I saw a blog recently and they have added touch screen support to a Asus eee, not very hard to add apparently |
| 23:35.07 | Stephmw | Linux_Galore: that's pretty interesting - link? |
| 23:35.11 | mjr | hm, _that's_ the reason we need a camera phone; to do real-time transparency on the display |
| 23:35.13 | Linux_Galore | you can buy a kit for about US$80 |
| 23:35.19 | Stephmw | mjr: hahaha |
| 23:35.40 | Stephmw | mjr: I want to hack up a digital lightmeter ;) |
| 23:35.59 | Linux_Galore | Stephmw: http://jkkmobile.blogspot.com/2007/12/asus-eee-pc-with-touch-screen.html |
| 23:36.04 | Stephmw | mjr: but alas phone cameras are just shite for that |
| 23:36.41 | Stephmw | mjr: also, it's ideal if the camera is actually on the same side as the screen |
| 23:36.46 | zash | mjr: why dont we cram all the chips in a ring around the display |
| 23:36.52 | zash | mjr: with a projector |
| 23:37.01 | zash | THAT BE COOL |
| 23:37.30 | Linux_Galore | zash: tracks would be too long so you would have noise problems |
| 23:37.34 | zash | ala minority report |
| 23:38.26 | zash | and when do we get the mid-air full color projector |
| 23:38.42 | Stephmw | right after the AG unit |
| 23:39.04 | Stephmw | and also the micro V12 |
| 23:39.06 | Linux_Galore | Ive seen a mnid air projector already, they use humidity and lasers |
| 23:39.06 | Stephmw | ~V12 |
| 23:39.07 | apt | it has been said that v12 is the next must-have in the Neo1973, http://www.ultimatestupidity.com/pics/1/diesel/ |
| 23:39.32 | zash | 404 :( |
| 23:39.48 | Stephmw | damnit |
| 23:39.57 | zilux | borg_: did you check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit |
| 23:40.12 | zash | aha |
| 23:40.18 | zash | google cache for the rescue |
| 23:40.22 | Stephmw | ~v12 is the next must-have in the Neo1973, http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/ |
| 23:40.23 | apt | ...but v12 is already something else... |
| 23:40.28 | Stephmw | ~forget v12 |
| 23:40.28 | apt | Stephmw: i forgot v12 |
| 23:40.45 | Stephmw | updated :) |
| 23:42.16 | borg_ | zilux: oh, thx |
| 23:42.23 | borg_ | i searched for "navid" and found nothing |
| 23:42.24 | borg_ | omg :) |
| 23:42.33 | zilux | :-) |
| 23:43.16 | Linux_Galore | any pics of the GTA3 yet |
| 23:43.36 | zash | also, we need a nuclear powerlant in the size of the neo1973-battery |
| 23:44.37 | Stephmw | zash: didn't Toshiba recently publicise a micro-sized one for large buildings? |
| 23:44.43 | Stephmw | zash: won't take long now |
| 23:44.47 | Linux_Galore | Toshiba just released some details on a small nuclear power plant |
| 23:45.26 | Linux_Galore | Stephmw: yes, in some parts of the world getting a consistant power supply is a big problem |
| 23:47.10 | Linux_Galore | if your a multi billions dollar operation in some backward country having the power go down all the time is not conducive to proffits so spending $500 mil on a power plant is an easy choice |
| 23:48.53 | Stephmw | I understand the motivation |
| 23:49.16 | Stephmw | anyhow, best get some sleep... 'night guys |
| 23:49.43 | Linux_Galore | In India the contant brown outs made one local entrepreneur build his own wind generators, other companies saw how well it worked so they requested wind generators too. Now the company is one of the larget wind mill makers in the world |
| 23:49.51 | Linux_Galore | constant* |
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| 23:52.10 | zash | oh well, sleep it is |
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