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| 00:35.09 | dcordes | LaF0rge, ping |
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| 01:00.10 | CIA-14 | openmoko: 03andrew * r3668 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/ (6 files): Add commands for controlling qemu from inside scripts. |
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| 01:11.54 | Ghiottone | hello! |
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| 01:32.51 | CVirus | Any news about the Wifi driver ? |
| 01:34.10 | mwester-road | I can make some up -- what would you like to hear? ;-) :p |
| 01:34.29 | CVirus | latest news about the driver |
| 01:34.43 | mwester-road | (no news in the past days that I've seen here) |
| 01:34.48 | CVirus | hmm |
| 01:34.52 | balrog-kun | CVirus: it receives/sends files at 360 KB/s through scp on gta02 |
| 01:35.09 | mwester-road | ^^^ News! :D |
| 01:35.14 | CVirus | :-) |
| 01:35.21 | mwester-road | balrog-kun: I presume it's CPU-bound at that point? |
| 01:35.34 | balrog-kun | well, i don't know what's been already known and what hasn't |
| 01:35.49 | mwester-road | Hmm.. no it couldn't be -- it should do a couple of MB/s |
| 01:35.53 | CVirus | cpu bound ? |
| 01:35.53 | balrog-kun | mwester-road: according to the driver author nope |
| 01:36.15 | mwester-road | CVirus: encryption - CPU-intensive |
| 01:36.26 | balrog-kun | (sameo) |
| 01:36.49 | balrog-kun | 400 KB/s is the max for the chip so sameo thinks the 40KB/s of difference is the overhead of the sdio interface |
| 01:37.09 | Ghiottone | scp -c blowfish should help lowering cpu usage in encryption (if dropbear supports it) |
| 01:37.26 | balrog-kun | hmm, i don't remember exactly what part's limitation was 400 KB/s, |
| 01:37.38 | balrog-kun | but it was not the CPU, and it was a datasheet limitation |
| 01:38.13 | Ghiottone | mwester, yes I did that too |
| 01:38.22 | mwester-road | I can live with 360KB/second on a phone :) |
| 01:38.41 | CVirus | Why is OpenMoko using Dropbear in the first place ? |
| 01:38.47 | mwester-road | Tradition? |
| 01:38.59 | CVirus | who uses dropbear ! |
| 01:39.22 | mwester-road | Only those embedded systems that are totally starved for flash space. We have plenty. |
| 01:39.33 | CVirus | ah |
| 01:39.49 | CVirus | my satellite reciever uses dropbear |
| 01:40.07 | mwester-road | Once we get the basics working, I think there will be room for several base images for the neo -- a small one with dropbear, a more full-featured one with openssh, etc. |
| 01:40.22 | CVirus | yeah |
| 01:42.22 | Ghiottone | is the automatic kernel flash on ipkg upgrade working now? |
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| 01:49.00 | CIA-14 | openmoko: 03andrew * r3669 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ (hw/neo1973.c openmoko/qemu-auto.sh): Invert the nSD_DETECT input pin polarity on the basis that this way it works and the opposite it doesn't. |
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| 02:01.53 | balrog-kun | mwester-road: it fortunately doesn't matter much on the real hardware because the card is not removable |
| 02:02.57 | balrog-kun | on linux it's only used to trigger the rescanning of the slots, which is done on boot whatever the state of the pin |
| 02:03.12 | balrog-kun | so yes, it may be semantically wrong in the kernel but it doesn't matter |
| 02:05.45 | mwester-road | balrog-kun == andrew? |
| 02:05.57 | balrog-kun | yesh |
| 02:06.34 | mwester-road | :) Ok. Thanks for the clarification. I guess we all sorta hope we'll have a removable SD card on a future device. |
| 02:08.50 | balrog-kun | yup but the whole SD slot will be redeisgned three times until that happens :) |
| 02:09.10 | balrog-kun | and new drivers written |
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| 02:59.22 | nelson | Run for your life! Raster is here! |
| 03:00.01 | nelson | No no, we're running FROM you. You can't run WITH us. |
| 03:00.20 | nelson | It doesn't if the threat tries to escape with the victims. |
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| 03:01.00 | nelson | Actually, it's good that Raster is awake ... because that means that the rest of the Taiwanese are waking up, which means that my Bluepacket modules will get shipped today. |
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| 03:07.16 | raster | nelson: awwwww! but i like running! |
| 03:07.17 | raster | :) |
| 03:11.24 | nelson | raster: when is the GTA02 shipping? |
| 03:12.04 | raster | not sure |
| 03:12.13 | raster | actually |
| 03:12.26 | nelson | It's an open source product. It ships "when it's ready" |
| 03:12.41 | tsuramoto | it's ready? :P |
| 03:13.03 | raster | i don't do the hardware |
| 03:13.20 | raster | also - even if i knew - we'd have an official position on shipping dates coming from official channels |
| 03:13.23 | raster | not from me |
| 03:13.23 | raster | :) |
| 03:13.29 | raster | i may do open source |
| 03:13.41 | raster | but... i know how the game of a real company is played :) |
| 03:15.21 | raster | :) |
| 03:15.24 | raster | seriously |
| 03:15.31 | raster | i don't know a ship date |
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| 03:16.58 | nelson | raster: seriously, it will ship when it ships. I'm willing to wait for the "right" hardware. Cuz, really, there's nobody else doing an Open Source phone. |
| 03:17.13 | tsuramoto | exactly |
| 03:17.33 | nelson | Nokia is still just dipping its toe in the Open Source world, and is really unsure about putting open source into a phone. |
| 03:17.46 | nelson | They realize that they HAVE to, but they're not excited about it. |
| 03:18.19 | nelson | Android, although open source itself, is SPECIFICALLY designed to go into non-open-source phones. |
| 03:18.29 | nelson | That's why it's all Apache licensed. |
| 03:18.52 | |R | yeah, big mistake :| |
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| 03:19.50 | nelson | Motorola has been making phones with Linux for a while, but either doesn't understand the value of an open source phone, or does and fears the loss of control it entails. |
| 03:20.14 | orospakr | I met a Motorola employee at OLS. |
| 03:20.16 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.24 | nelson | Samsung? LG? They're fucking Koreans -- they live in a world of their own. |
| 03:20.26 | raster | fromall i see they also are forcing java down your throat |
| 03:20.46 | nelson | meh. That's what Java was designed for -- to go into a PDA. |
| 03:20.52 | orospakr | I spoke with him about the community's importance on having a Free stack from the kernel to the applications. |
| 03:20.57 | orospakr | and directed him to OpenMoko. |
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| 03:21.15 | orospakr | and tried, as best I could, the benefits of having a community-accessible stack. |
| 03:21.18 | orospakr | er |
| 03:21.22 | nelson | All this Java web client stuff is "oh crap, we spent all this money designing this PDA and we can't sell it. What can we rescue?" |
| 03:21.28 | orospakr | nvm, spelling is correct. :) |
| 03:21.50 | nelson | orospakr: and did he gain the clue-nature? |
| 03:23.13 | nelson | https://duke.dev.java.net/green/ |
| 03:24.01 | raster | hahaha |
| 03:24.36 | nelson | hey, it would have been a COOL device. Even if it did run Solaris. |
| 03:28.40 | orospakr | nelson, he seemed interested. vaguely. |
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| 03:29.02 | orospakr | he did show me the next Razr, running a Linux kernel. |
| 03:29.12 | orospakr | so, at the very least the community should be able to port OM. |
| 03:29.48 | orospakr | speaking of OM, is there any power management on the GTA01 yet? :D |
| 03:30.22 | nelson | I manage its power just fine -- I leave it plugged in. |
| 03:30.47 | orospakr | heh. :P |
| 03:32.18 | orospakr | is there a recent unofficial image somewhere |
| 03:32.21 | orospakr | ? |
| 03:35.51 | nelson | I compiled on on Friday. |
| 03:38.00 | raster | orospakr: motorola have a habit of making closed kernel modules, closed bootloaders and closed userspace drivers/daemons |
| 03:38.06 | raster | so it will be a challenge to port |
| 03:38.10 | raster | and painful as such |
| 03:38.11 | orospakr | yikes. |
| 03:38.32 | raster | check openezx |
| 03:38.36 | raster | and all the docs/info |
| 03:38.48 | orospakr | If only Linus actually chose to enforce the GPLv2. |
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| 03:41.52 | raster | sometimes it can't be |
| 03:42.00 | raster | u can make a closed bootloader all u like |
| 03:42.07 | raster | u can do closed userspace drivers all u lik |
| 03:42.18 | raster | eg just expose a serial io interface to userspace |
| 03:42.26 | raster | but the serial protocol is 100% undocumented |
| 03:42.38 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:44.13 | orospakr | yeah, I mean for kernel modules, though. |
| 03:44.27 | iw3hj | hello |
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| 03:44.57 | raster | orospakr: doesn't mean its useful |
| 03:44.58 | raster | sure |
| 03:45.00 | raster | kernel comes up |
| 03:45.05 | raster | u cant make phone calls |
| 03:45.19 | raster | or maybe a bunch of other things as the interfaces are undocumented |
| 03:45.24 | raster | also closed kernel moduels are legal |
| 03:45.27 | raster | it depends how you do them |
| 03:45.53 | raster | nvidia is a prime example |
| 03:46.31 | orospakr | I know. ;) |
| 03:46.45 | orospakr | nelson, care to post images? :D |
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| 03:48.22 | raster | ? |
| 03:51.33 | CIA-14 | openmoko: 03andrew * r3670 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/hw/ (s3c24xx_mmci.c sd.c): Fix signedness in s3c_mmci and remove bogus CRC bits in SD response type 2 generation. |
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| 03:57.37 | nelson | orospakr: don't think it's such a big deal -- I just used the Makefile. What happens if you do the same thing? |
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| 04:10.09 | orospakr | nelson, I guess I'll just have to free up some disk then... |
| 04:11.39 | CIA-14 | openmoko: 03andrew * r3671 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/ (env qemu-auto.sh qemu-upload.sh): Simplify qemu-update. |
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| 04:49.10 | nelson | orospakr: isn't openmoko doing official nightly builds? |
| 04:50.10 | balrog-kun | no, it isn't |
| 04:50.21 | balrog-kun | oh, except the kernel |
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| 05:00.30 | jeremym | what is a typical configure line to use the toolchain ? |
| 05:06.55 | SpeedEvil | what toolchain? |
| 05:07.31 | SpeedEvil | If you mean MokoMakefile, simply make setup, followed by make openmoko-devel-image |
| 05:07.48 | SpeedEvil | It handles all the twiddly bits |
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| 05:11.56 | jeremym | I have some code that I want to compile with it but dont feel like playing with bitbake |
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| 05:15.48 | SpeedEvil | x or non-x |
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| 05:19.50 | jeremym | x |
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| 05:20.19 | SpeedEvil | non-x is easy |
| 05:20.40 | SpeedEvil | you can do it on the phone |
| 05:21.03 | SpeedEvil | x - I haven't figured out how to get the correct set of libs and includes |
| 05:21.18 | jeremym | I am trying to port a non-hildonized version of maemo mapper. |
| 05:24.00 | jeremym | I think I would be better off getting bit bake working. |
| 05:24.08 | jeremym | That is for another nite. |
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| 06:10.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1138 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com |
| 06:10.02 | cdbot2 | * * Get & Set voicemail |
| 06:10.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1138 |
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| 06:55.29 | CM | ljp: Congratulations :) http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6280428662.html |
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| 07:16.53 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:24.46 | blindcoder | moin |
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| 07:31.39 | SpeedEvil | don't suppose anyone has a graph of task vs time for the build? |
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| 07:34.07 | CM | Guess that's too computer dependant |
| 07:34.19 | CM | Some taksks take a lot more time than others |
| 07:35.04 | CM | busybox, glibc, webkit are slow at least |
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| 07:42.07 | CM | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/android-hardware-in-the-wild/google-android-prototype-in-the-wild-334909.php |
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| 07:47.56 | SpeedEvil | CM: where's the list of tasks that bb is doing? |
| 07:48.06 | SpeedEvil | ah - /proc/n/fd |
| 07:48.50 | CM | :) |
| 07:52.58 | SpeedEvil | or not I guess. |
| 07:53.35 | CM | I just look at the numbers that go by |
| 07:53.47 | SpeedEvil | I was wanting to do a graph |
| 07:53.55 | CM | *nod* |
| 07:53.55 | SpeedEvil | oh well |
| 07:54.18 | CM | Should be a build log somewhere |
| 07:54.26 | SpeedEvil | I'm looking for it. |
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| 08:00.04 | NineX | !logs |
| 08:00.05 | cdbot2 | Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: |
| 08:00.06 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko |
| 08:00.07 | cdbot2 | Live-logs are available at |
| 08:00.09 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog |
| 08:00.11 | cdbot2 | See ?? help-logs for usage instructions |
| 08:01.04 | ljp | CM: thanks! :) |
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| 08:01.28 | CM | ljp: Cool progress for linux on phones, I'm happy :) |
| 08:01.43 | CM | It's a huge market over there.. |
| 08:01.48 | ljp | yep it is |
| 08:02.19 | CM | And of course it should mean more phones that boot a linux kernel.. ;) |
| 08:02.55 | ljp | true. but they probably wont be easily flashable/hackable |
| 08:03.10 | CM | No, probably not. But still |
| 08:03.18 | ljp | one step at a time |
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| 08:07.19 | SpeedEvil | perhaps. Done 'right' a linux phone can be as secure from users as any phone. |
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| 08:28.24 | CVirus | Does the GPS service requires subscription or is it free ? |
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| 08:29.17 | CM | CVirus: GPS just works :) |
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| 08:29.56 | mudyc | CVirus: it's a signal emitted from satellites and works one-way only. you may listen it as you wish |
| 08:30.11 | SpeedEvil | As long as you're not in range of a jammer, pretty-much. |
| 08:30.32 | CVirus | I've been trying to test it with a nokia n95 and failing |
| 08:31.31 | mudyc | CVirus: try next to window or outside. the signal is not very good indoors |
| 08:32.02 | CVirus | I see |
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| 08:33.11 | mudyc | if you don't have assisted-gps update the fix time is around one minute or even longer |
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| 08:39.00 | NineX | i think that someone sholud alsa *.state files in repositories for avoid echo |
| 08:40.09 | NineX | hm there is any documentation about all neo1973 alsa switches i lunched alsamixer, and tehere is loot of switches |
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| 09:23.17 | Batalyx | is it a known bug in ipkg, that it tries to wget Packages.gz to /tmp/ipkg-????/, but they are in /tmp/ipkg.????/ ? |
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| 09:32.56 | CoreDump | nope, never ran into that one |
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| 09:41.14 | SpeedEvil | does it not wor/?k |
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| 09:47.08 | bedboi | hi there |
| 09:49.23 | CIA-14 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3672 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (6 files): |
| 09:49.23 | CIA-14 | openmoko: * reorder patches to reflect proposed kernel merge schedule |
| 09:49.23 | CIA-14 | openmoko: * remove defunct old ts0710 skeleton |
| 09:49.23 | CIA-14 | openmoko: * pcf50606: implement per-second irq disable/re-enable in case of time adjustment |
| 09:49.23 | CIA-14 | openmoko: * gta01-core: separate out non-mainline-compatible touchscreen and sd/mmc bits |
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| 10:23.42 | CIA-14 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3673 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (9 files): fix various coding style issues as discovered by checkpatch.pl |
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| 10:27.42 | rwhitby | is webkit-gtk broken for anyone else? |
| 10:27.55 | rwhitby | OE_REVISION = "69f73a39a6309313a5c6b25b246f1886caf99020" |
| 10:28.30 | rwhitby | | gcc: dftables.c: No such file or directory |
| 10:29.12 | rwhitby | I thought the stable openmoko monotone server was meant to stop this sort of thing. |
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| 10:30.18 | hrw | rwhitby: dftables.c? |
| 10:30.31 | hrw | rwhitby: it looks like someone bumped webkit and forgot to update metadata |
| 10:30.32 | cesarb | rwhitby: isn't that the package which always build from svn head? that probably hasn't changed in the OM snapshot... |
| 10:30.51 | hrw | rwhitby: it is fixed in Poky and iirc in OE too (koen merged my code for dftables.c) |
| 10:31.00 | cesarb | rwhitby: and, btw, I found that the official snapshot doesn't build, due to some external-toolchain bogus package |
| 10:31.18 | Ghiottone|work | mickey_away: ping ? |
| 10:31.22 | Ghiottone|work | and hi all |
| 10:31.25 | cesarb | rwhitby: ...but the OE tree _also_ breaks due to the same bogus package... I ended up bumping its priority to -1 |
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| 10:32.15 | cesarb | rwhitby: (I didn't redownload everything, just switched which update target I used; monotone should know to do the correct thing, right?) |
| 10:32.29 | rwhitby | hrw: openmoko is supposed to have fixed SVNREVs and a stable monotone server that is only updated on perfect builds. this thing is not supposed to happen any more. |
| 10:33.10 | hrw | rwhitby: openmoko is supposed to have many things ;( |
| 10:33.15 | rwhitby | if it's broken too, then there is no point in wasting 150MB on my disk for a separate monotone database for OM. |
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| 10:46.35 | Batalyx | SpeedEvil: ipkg? no. might be an old error, as obviously I haven't been able to upgrade it (since few days that is) |
| 10:49.40 | CIA-14 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3674 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta01-pcf50606.patch: add missing semicolon |
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| 11:00.30 | SpeedEvil | Batalyx: I followed the instructions in [[repository]] to add another repository (at teh bottom) and it just worked for me |
| 11:00.42 | SpeedEvil | november snapshot |
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| 11:02.12 | Batalyx | same here. did one ipkg update & upgrade, and now it doesn't. well, I'll first try with a new image. |
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| 11:02.50 | Batalyx | (when I get enough life loaded into the battery :) |
| 11:03.28 | SpeedEvil | All I can say is the less-than-helpful 'it works for me'. |
| 11:06.09 | Batalyx | SpeedEvil: :) thanks! I might have been a bit unlucky with my openmoko adventures, but still I like this as the best phone I've had. |
| 11:06.25 | Batalyx | not the easiest though ;) |
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| 11:07.03 | NineX | Batalyx: neo is the best :> |
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| 11:10.48 | Batalyx | yes it is :) |
| 11:17.55 | CIA-14 | openmoko: 03chris * r3675 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 11:17.55 | CIA-14 | openmoko: * src/sms.h: |
| 11:17.55 | CIA-14 | openmoko: * src/sms-contacts.c: (update_categories), (ref_category), |
| 11:17.55 | CIA-14 | openmoko: (categories_to_list), (contacts_added_cb), (contacts_changed_cb), |
| 11:17.55 | CIA-14 | openmoko: (contacts_removed_cb), (contacts_visible_func), (malloc_list_free), |
| 11:17.56 | CIA-14 | openmoko: (sms_contacts_page_new): |
| 11:17.58 | CIA-14 | openmoko: Add category filtering to contacts pane |
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| 11:57.17 | CIA-14 | openmoko: 03chris * r3677 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (ChangeLog src/sms-notes.c): |
| 11:57.17 | CIA-14 | openmoko: * src/sms-notes.c: (notes_visible_func), (sms_notes_page_new): |
| 11:57.17 | CIA-14 | openmoko: Add all/sent/received filter to notes page |
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| 12:06.43 | goxboxlive | Hi, what is the status of openmoko-messages2. Is it working now, so you both can send and receive messgaes? |
| 12:08.31 | SpeedEvil | yes, but only 2 per phone, then it breaks. |
| 12:08.35 | SpeedEvil | (kidding) |
| 12:08.45 | SpeedEvil | dunno how it really works |
| 12:09.32 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 12:09.36 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 12:11.01 | goxboxlive | SpeedEvil: they sent my device yesterday, it's in Koeln now :-) Really fast |
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| 12:16.43 | goxboxlive | hmm i just got an update, it didnt reach koeln, it never got on the plane so it is stucked in US . hmmmppff |
| 12:17.37 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 12:17.42 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 12:17.51 | CIA-14 | openmoko: 03chris * r3678 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (ChangeLog src/sms-compose.c): |
| 12:17.51 | CIA-14 | openmoko: * src/sms-compose.c: (text_changed_cb), (sms_compose_page_new): |
| 12:17.51 | CIA-14 | openmoko: Add a message length indicator to the composition page |
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| 13:17.39 | new_bie | hi all |
| 13:18.59 | new_bie | just connected jtag and compiled openocd and libftdi but openocd always fail with an error jtag.c:1181 jtag_examine_chain(): JTAG communi |
| 13:18.59 | new_bie | tion failure |
| 13:19.32 | new_bie | i am able to reset the neo1973 through debug board reset switch |
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| 13:32.01 | NineX | new_bie: disconnect usb cable from neo , usb-cable connecting debugboard to pc , remove battery |
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| 13:32.13 | NineX | new_bie: wait 5 - 10 minutes |
| 13:33.01 | new_bie | Thax NineX will try that |
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| 13:33.17 | NineX | new_bie: check connection jtag cable |
| 13:33.50 | new_bie | i am able to reset the neo through debug board switch so connection should be problem |
| 13:33.57 | NineX | put battery to neo again , connect neo usbcable to debugboard , connect usbdebugboard cable to pc and trye again |
| 13:34.13 | new_bie | * should not be problem |
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| 13:34.35 | jmichel | How can I force a rebuild of the OM kernel using the mokomakefile? |
| 13:35.12 | jmichel | I know how to clean and rebuild a package but for the kernel I can't find to info |
| 13:36.05 | NineX | new_bie: not exacly - sometimes jtag interface of neo hangs |
| 13:36.40 | new_bie | ok |
| 13:36.55 | NineX | new_bie: last week i was same problem. removal battery for some time helped , and check jtag connection - sometimes pin connections are incemplete |
| 13:40.57 | mbuf | can anyone test if "ssh root@192.168.0.202 ipkg install foo.ipk" doesn't segmentation fault from host PC? |
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| 13:47.50 | new_bie | NineX: I have connected neo usb cable to PC thats fine ? |
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| 13:48.26 | xcasex | CM: achtung, tauchen tauchen |
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| 13:50.51 | NineX | new_bie: yes, sholud be no problems |
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| 14:11.32 | CM | xcasex: pong :) |
| 14:12.17 | xcasex | CM: f00d. what was the eta again? |
| 14:16.29 | NineX | new_bie: and? did it work ? |
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| 14:18.43 | CM | xcasex: Ah, ok. Not sure yet, and I think my family has planned something |
| 14:19.34 | xcasex | CM: "uh oh" |
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| 14:26.35 | BenPa85 | hi guys |
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| 14:26.56 | BenPa85 | someone online who has an agps device? |
| 14:27.18 | XorA|gone | me |
| 14:27.23 | BenPa85 | cool :) |
| 14:27.28 | XorA|gone | HTC Kaiser |
| 14:27.33 | BenPa85 | XorA|gone: cool |
| 14:27.42 | XorA|gone | no linux on it though |
| 14:27.58 | BenPa85 | ok |
| 14:28.04 | BenPa85 | which ttfs do you get? |
| 14:28.20 | dcordes | hi XorA|gone |
| 14:28.30 | XorA|gone | ttfs? |
| 14:28.34 | XorA|gone | Time To Find? |
| 14:28.40 | BenPa85 | Time To First Fix |
| 14:28.47 | XorA|gone | less than 30 secs |
| 14:28.58 | BenPa85 | always after an cold start? |
| 14:29.13 | XorA|gone | yes, even in piss poor conditions like indoors |
| 14:29.32 | dcordes | XorA|gone, I don't get any fix indoors with kaiser |
| 14:29.46 | BenPa85 | dcordes: you don´t have agps |
| 14:29.59 | BenPa85 | XorA|gone: which apps do you use? |
| 14:30.08 | XorA|gone | BenPa85: google maps |
| 14:30.16 | dcordes | BenPa85, obviously I was wrong.. |
| 14:30.28 | XorA|gone | dcordes: depends on where windows are in relation to where I am |
| 14:30.33 | BenPa85 | XorA|gone: i mean apps for apgs |
| 14:30.37 | BenPa85 | *agps |
| 14:30.48 | XorA|gone | BenPa85: its built into the OS |
| 14:31.02 | dcordes | XorA|gone, want to boot my kernel :) |
| 14:31.06 | BenPa85 | XorA|gone: named? |
| 14:31.18 | XorA|gone | QuickGPS |
| 14:31.26 | XorA|gone | dcordes: kernel for Kaiser? |
| 14:31.39 | BenPa85 | XorA|gone: can you give me the version? |
| 14:31.58 | dcordes | XorA|gone, yes but it does nothing more than freeze it. Don't know really if it freezes because we have no drivers yet |
| 14:32.02 | XorA|gone | BenPa85: no, its in the rom, all it gives me is a button to download new data |
| 14:32.07 | dcordes | but theoretically it should work |
| 14:32.13 | dcordes | can't find it out though |
| 14:32.15 | XorA|gone | dcordes: cool |
| 14:32.40 | BenPa85 | XorA|gone: is there a menu button in the menubar right bottom |
| 14:32.43 | BenPa85 | ? |
| 14:32.53 | XorA|gone | Version 1`.00 (Build 615.715) |
| 14:33.30 | dcordes | XorA|gone, http://git.android.com/?p=linux-msm.git;a=tree http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?auto_redirect=1&pagename=TitleSearch&s=kaiser (just ignore the wince specific results) |
| 14:33.43 | BenPa85 | XorA|gone: can you check if there are files like *clm*.*** in your windows dir? |
| 14:35.40 | XorA|gone | BenPa85: I cant see any, but I dont have anything like total commander installed to do proper check |
| 14:36.04 | BenPa85 | XorA|gone: can you check is via explorer on your desktop? |
| 14:36.18 | XorA|gone | BenPa85: noi windows machine |
| 14:36.27 | BenPa85 | ok |
| 14:36.28 | BenPa85 | thx |
| 14:36.40 | BenPa85 | and no clm.exe or clmapp.exe? |
| 14:36.47 | BenPa85 | ok thx |
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| 14:39.43 | dcordes | XorA|gone, how do you search in TC? |
| 14:40.18 | XorA|gone | File->Find Files |
| 14:41.17 | dcordes | BenPa85, no clm in my /Windows |
| 14:41.56 | BenPa85 | ok thx |
| 14:41.58 | XorA|gone | BenPa85: no clm* in my WIndows |
| 14:42.00 | BenPa85 | weird |
| 14:42.23 | BenPa85 | and a .ee file? |
| 14:43.42 | dcordes | BenPa85, no luck. have you googled for loox agps or such? |
| 14:43.48 | NineX | XorA|gone: tehere is some documentation about alsa switches for neo ? i whana recreate sound corect sound profiles , avoid echo and other thinks |
| 14:44.20 | XorA|gone | no .ee files either |
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| 14:44.29 | BenPa85 | dcordes: yes but there is a problem, siemens doesn´t offer agps for the pocket loox |
| 14:44.36 | BenPa85 | thank you both |
| 14:44.55 | dcordes | BenPa85, gpsd ;) |
| 14:45.41 | BenPa85 | siemens offers a update for agps. This update updates the gps chip to enable agps, but there is no clm app which gives the chip the needed data |
| 14:45.47 | BenPa85 | gpsd??? |
| 14:45.57 | XorA|gone | BenPa85: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299017 |
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| 14:47.02 | dcordes | XorA|gone, I wonder if I have hat quick gps or agps support. Near windows I do not get satellites either |
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| 14:47.33 | BenPa85 | XorA|gone: the problem is that quickgps only downloads the .ee file which holds the data, but there is no app on the device which uses this data ... |
| 14:47.33 | XorA|gone | dcordes: it all depends what you can see, I live on a hill in countryside so all I see is sky |
| 14:48.32 | BenPa85 | dcordes: if you have agps support, you should have an app calles quickgps or something similar that downloads the actual agps data for the next 3 or 7 days |
| 14:48.33 | jaj | Hi! I just wanted to ask if you are considering UMTS support in the near future? |
| 14:48.52 | josch | jaj, we are not - FIC is |
| 14:49.05 | XorA|gone | BenPa85: I know nothing of how it works, Im just glad it does, you could always uncook a t-mobile HTC Kaiser rom and see what is in there |
| 14:49.51 | dcordes | BenPa85, there are several roms available on forum.xda-developers.com |
| 14:50.24 | BenPa85 | ok |
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| 14:50.51 | BenPa85 | i am little bit in the internals of the sirf chip, but we not finished the implementation |
| 14:51.14 | BenPa85 | so i search someone who has experience with the sirf instant fix technique |
| 14:51.21 | jaj | josch, does that mean that FIC is considering it but you are not supporting it? |
| 14:51.55 | XorA|gone | BenPa85: try Mr SpeedEvil here abouts, he seems to fiddle with GPS a lot |
| 14:51.57 | josch | jaj, no this mean that we as the openmoko (the OS) community have low influence on what FIC plans to implement in the neo1973 |
| 14:52.23 | BenPa85 | SpeedEvil: around? |
| 14:52.30 | BenPa85 | XorA|gone: thx |
| 14:52.47 | jaj | josch, hmm, my understanding was that FIC and you (openmoko) were working tightly together |
| 14:53.13 | XorA|gone | jaj: this is OpenMoko the community, OpenMoko the company is a different entity, which I work for |
| 14:53.17 | josch | jaj, openmoko inc. was found by FIC yes |
| 14:53.40 | dcordes | XorA|gone, did you take a look at kaiser research pages? |
| 14:54.04 | XorA|gone | dcordes: no, I really just got the Kaiser as my Wizard was wearing out |
| 14:54.22 | XorA|gone | dcordes: not sure I want to fuxor with it yet, at least it works unlike some phones around here :-) |
| 14:54.31 | xcasex | hehehe |
| 14:55.22 | XorA|gone | Im sure there will OM on Kaiser soon :-D |
| 14:55.40 | dcordes | XorA|gone, maybe you can help? |
| 14:55.44 | XorA|gone | dcordes: will deliver 100% working kernel port in 2 days :-) |
| 14:55.53 | SpeedEvil | bedboi: maybe |
| 14:55.57 | XorA|gone | dcordes: give me a url, I can take a look :-) |
| 14:56.00 | SpeedEvil | benother |
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| 14:56.05 | dcordes | XorA|gone, scroll up |
| 14:56.06 | BenPa85 | SpeedEvil: can you help me with sirf instant fix? |
| 14:56.07 | CM | XorA|gone: Btw, do you know what version of poppler that epdf builds with? |
| 14:56.16 | SpeedEvil | bentob0x: the concept, yes |
| 14:56.31 | CM | mickey_away should know, but I forgot to ask earlier |
| 14:56.35 | XorA|gone | CM: the 6.0.0 |
| 14:56.38 | XorA|gone | or 0.6.0 |
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| 14:56.50 | CM | Ok, but not the 0.6.0_cvs? |
| 14:56.59 | CM | I'll try to lock it down then |
| 14:57.00 | XorA|gone | CM: but I think the recipes need fiddled to fix them up |
| 14:57.06 | CM | *nod* |
| 14:57.18 | CM | Been unable to build the openmoko feed for almost a week now because of that |
| 14:57.34 | XorA|gone | CM: I think mickey made a cvs snapshot of 0.6-pre for epdf, but when 0.6 proper came out he didnt update the epdf recipe |
| 14:58.04 | CM | I've tried to mess around some, but I don't understand enough to get it to build. |
| 14:58.23 | jaj | XorA|gone, ok, don't you think that UMTS, as an open standard unlike GSM, should be encouraged |
| 14:58.51 | XorA|gone | DEPENDS = "poppler0.6" can probably change to DEPENDS = "poppler" now, as long as poppler 0.6 is the one built be default |
| 14:59.00 | CM | Did attach an updated patch (ombug 3467) so it at least starts to compile, but I never understood the dependencies |
| 14:59.03 | CM | Ok, thanks |
| 14:59.23 | XorA|gone | jaj: I cant speak for FIC/OpenMoko on this subject, but I think they selected the most used protocol for first hardware version. |
| 14:59.34 | XorA|gone | jaj: OpenMoko is more about the platform |
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| 14:59.48 | SpeedEvil | jaj: that's _quite_ irrelevant. |
| 15:00.05 | SpeedEvil | jaj: and utterly fucking insane for a platform to only support one or the other. |
| 15:00.19 | SpeedEvil | jaj: you support what systems you can that are widespread in the marketplace. |
| 15:00.35 | SpeedEvil | And in no case will you get a fully 'open' radio. |
| 15:00.36 | jaj | SpeedEvil, perhaps the fact that GSM encryption has serious leaks is important |
| 15:00.43 | SpeedEvil | jaj: of course it isn't. |
| 15:00.51 | SpeedEvil | jaj: you encrypt stuff you care about. |
| 15:01.12 | SpeedEvil | You're going to trust the phone companies encryption in any case? |
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| 15:01.56 | jaj | yeah you're right I guess |
| 15:02.19 | xcasex | ssl encrypted phonecalls :S |
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| 15:02.32 | SpeedEvil | SSL? |
| 15:02.36 | BenPa85 | SpeedEvil: can you help me with sirf instant fix? |
| 15:02.45 | jaj | how about otr :) |
| 15:02.55 | dcordes | XorA|gone, http://git.android.com/?p=linux-msm.git;a=tree , http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?auto_redirect=1&pagename=TitleSearch&s=kaiser |
| 15:02.55 | SpeedEvil | Do you realise how many days of one-time pad you can store on a 6G microSD |
| 15:03.05 | SpeedEvil | benp2D: the concept, yes, the protocol no. |
| 15:03.31 | BenPa85 | SpeedEvil: do you know how it works? |
| 15:03.45 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-GPS |
| 15:03.51 | SpeedEvil | have you read that? |
| 15:04.00 | BenPa85 | yes |
| 15:04.23 | BenPa85 | but i want to know how the sirf instant fix works |
| 15:04.44 | SpeedEvil | define 'how it works' |
| 15:04.51 | BenPa85 | i know the protocol, but don´t know what i exactly should do to use the technique |
| 15:04.52 | CIA-14 | openmoko: 03chris * r3679 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (8 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 15:04.52 | CIA-14 | openmoko: * src/sms-compose.c: (page_hidden): |
| 15:04.52 | CIA-14 | openmoko: * src/sms-contacts.c: (page_shown), (delete_clicked_cb), |
| 15:04.52 | CIA-14 | openmoko: (selection_changed_cb), (sms_contacts_update_delete_all), |
| 15:04.52 | CIA-14 | openmoko: (sms_contacts_page_new): |
| 15:04.53 | CIA-14 | openmoko: * src/sms-contacts.h: |
| 15:04.57 | CIA-14 | openmoko: * src/sms-main.c: (main): |
| 15:05.19 | SpeedEvil | You do know the current devices in the wild don't have that chip? |
| 15:05.41 | BenPa85 | SpeedEvil: my device have the chip and many others too |
| 15:06.02 | SpeedEvil | bentob0x: what aspect of 'how it works' ? |
| 15:06.06 | BenPa85 | SpeedEvil: and what sirf tells is not true |
| 15:06.51 | BenPa85 | SpeedEvil: i know that sirf uses an app called clmapp.exe or clm.exe for agps but i don´t know what this app does |
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| 15:07.22 | SpeedEvil | It'll do one of the things outlined on the A-GPS page on wikipedia |
| 15:07.26 | BenPa85 | BenPa85: at this time i´m able to give the chip the ephemeris data for requested sats (extracted from the .ee file) |
| 15:07.31 | SpeedEvil | (assuming nobodies changed it again) |
| 15:07.37 | bentob0x | I didn't say anything????? |
| 15:07.48 | bentob0x | ^^ |
| 15:07.53 | SpeedEvil | bentob0x: Sorry, completion problkems. |
| 15:08.07 | bentob0x | hehe, that's what I thought |
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| 15:08.26 | SpeedEvil | BenPa85: but it doesn't help? |
| 15:08.34 | dcordes | XorA|gone, do you know where one can get LaF0rge's ultra high res kaiser internal photos? |
| 15:08.35 | SpeedEvil | (give a faster fix) |
| 15:08.36 | BenPa85 | SpeedEvil: not that good |
| 15:08.52 | BenPa85 | SpeedEvil: have you ever used SiRFDemoPPC? |
| 15:08.58 | XorA|gone | dcordes: didnt know he had them, ask him |
| 15:09.25 | SpeedEvil | bentob0x: see also hammerhead/protocol - the subsection around 'to get a better fix' - which discusses issues on instant fix from a harsware perspective. |
| 15:09.26 | Akuma | Hello, I've been trying to get qemu to work, by using MokoMakefile; when it gets to compilation, I get the following error: "gcc: arm: no such file or directory" |
| 15:09.38 | SpeedEvil | bentob0x: I have no hardware of that sort. What's it in? |
| 15:09.41 | SpeedEvil | sigh |
| 15:09.45 | SpeedEvil | benp: |
| 15:09.57 | dcordes | LaF0rge, can I get your ultra high-res kaiser photos? |
| 15:10.00 | BenPa85 | SpeedEvil: it´s the SirfDemo app for ppc |
| 15:10.00 | Akuma | I have followed the instructions on the wiki about getting qemu to work with MokoMakefile |
| 15:10.10 | BenPa85 | SpeedEvil: ever used SirfDemo on a desktop? |
| 15:10.18 | SpeedEvil | BenPa85: No. |
| 15:10.25 | BenPa85 | ok |
| 15:10.28 | BenPa85 | i try to explain |
| 15:10.29 | SpeedEvil | BenPa85: does it actually work for 'instant' fixes? |
| 15:10.35 | dcordes | XorA|gone, did you fux with xda wiki? |
| 15:10.39 | XorA|gone | NineX: sorry, forgot to get back to you |
| 15:10.43 | XorA|gone | dcordes: not me |
| 15:11.14 | BenPa85 | SpeedEvil: it gives an actual version of SirfDemo which supports instant fix |
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| 15:11.33 | BenPa85 | SpeedEvil: but sirf doesn´t offer this version on their webpage |
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| 15:12.01 | XorA|gone | NineX: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_audio_subsystem is the best I have at moment, I did have a better diagram, but I lost it in HD crash |
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| 15:12.31 | BenPa85 | SpeedEvil: if you use this version, you can see purple bars for the synthetic data of the sats |
| 15:12.34 | SpeedEvil | I did have a better diagram, but I wrote it in the margin :) |
| 15:13.02 | XorA|gone | SpeedEvil: you got the audio routing diag? |
| 15:13.18 | BenPa85 | SpeedEvil: with my prog i´m able to push the synthetic data and see this purple bars in SirfDemo, but my TTFs are about 60 sec. |
| 15:13.28 | BenPa85 | SpeedEvil: which is too long |
| 15:13.56 | SpeedEvil | BenPa85: that seems to be normal 'from cold' time for a modern chipset |
| 15:14.02 | SpeedEvil | or nearly cold anyway |
| 15:14.13 | BenPa85 | no |
| 15:14.22 | SpeedEvil | I mean not warm. |
| 15:14.25 | BenPa85 | other agps devices get a ttf in 30 sec |
| 15:14.29 | BenPa85 | cold start |
| 15:14.31 | SpeedEvil | Startup with an approximate time. |
| 15:14.39 | SpeedEvil | 1s is possible |
| 15:14.56 | SpeedEvil | or under that - the hardware in the neo can do that - but not the software |
| 15:15.04 | BenPa85 | and sirf tells us to get a ttf within 15 sec. in bad condition when we use sirf instant fix |
| 15:15.18 | SpeedEvil | bentob0x: have you tried asking them? |
| 15:15.22 | SpeedEvil | benp: |
| 15:15.23 | BenPa85 | yes |
| 15:15.33 | SpeedEvil | No result I assume? |
| 15:15.37 | BenPa85 | but they offer sirf instant fix only for providers |
| 15:15.55 | BenPa85 | and sell them a server for ... thousands of dollars |
| 15:16.13 | SpeedEvil | are you sure instant fix isn't the 'server assisted' mode? |
| 15:16.21 | SpeedEvil | for which you do need a server |
| 15:16.56 | SpeedEvil | See [[Server:A-GPS]] on the wiki |
| 15:16.57 | BenPa85 | yes it is |
| 15:17.15 | SpeedEvil | well - 'just' implement a server. |
| 15:17.22 | BenPa85 | no |
| 15:17.29 | BenPa85 | i need the technique on the device |
| 15:17.41 | BenPa85 | sirf instant fix works in this way: |
| 15:17.43 | SpeedEvil | there are some techniques only a server can do |
| 15:17.58 | BenPa85 | a software downloads the actual synthetic data (.ee file) from a sirf server |
| 15:18.20 | BenPa85 | another software uses this file to push the chip the needed data to get a faster fix |
| 15:18.27 | BenPa85 | i can get the .ee file |
| 15:18.50 | BenPa85 | and i can push something from that file, but it looks like the second software does more than only push this data |
| 15:18.52 | SpeedEvil | Are you sure the server is not sent data from the fix in progress? |
| 15:18.56 | BenPa85 | and i need to know what |
| 15:19.05 | BenPa85 | SpeedEvil: yes, i´m sure |
| 15:19.19 | SpeedEvil | Do you know the format of the ee file? |
| 15:19.46 | SpeedEvil | I'd say you're basically screwed unless you can observe a working transaction. |
| 15:19.53 | BenPa85 | no, it´s proprietary format from sirf, but i can give you data from one sat that SirfDemo pushes to the chip |
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| 15:20.03 | SpeedEvil | As in working to spec |
| 15:20.13 | BenPa85 | we have a working transaction |
| 15:20.24 | SpeedEvil | but you say it doesn't get a fix till 60s |
| 15:20.29 | BenPa85 | yes |
| 15:20.58 | blinx | wiki down? |
| 15:20.59 | SpeedEvil | that is plenty for a start with only cached ephemeris and a rough idea of the time and location. |
| 15:21.00 | BenPa85 | so it would be good to know what else that clm thing does |
| 15:21.36 | BenPa85 | we know the time |
| 15:21.43 | SpeedEvil | BenPa85: you've got several problems. You don't know the format of the ee file. You don't know what the chip wants. |
| 15:21.48 | SpeedEvil | Approximately |
| 15:22.02 | SpeedEvil | you don't know the time to within picoseconds as a GPS reciever will when warm |
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| 15:22.10 | BenPa85 | we know what he wants out of the ee file and can also push that |
| 15:22.39 | BenPa85 | sry, whats that? |
| 15:23.00 | SpeedEvil | the ee file - is it the same for all devices in all locations? |
| 15:23.15 | BenPa85 | valid for 7days |
| 15:23.32 | SpeedEvil | Right - in that case, it's just precice ephemirides. |
| 15:23.38 | BenPa85 | for all sirfstarIII GSW3.23 all around the world |
| 15:24.07 | BenPa85 | yep, shouldnt that help him to get a faster fixx? |
| 15:24.14 | SpeedEvil | Not really. |
| 15:24.19 | BenPa85 | why not? |
| 15:24.24 | BenPa85 | and what would do? |
| 15:24.50 | Akuma | Hello, I've been trying to get qemu to work, by using MokoMakefile; when it gets to compilation, I get the following error: "gcc: arm: no such file or directory" |
| 15:24.52 | SpeedEvil | basically because the satellites only broadcast time information every 30s |
| 15:25.08 | BenPa85 | yep... |
| 15:25.25 | SpeedEvil | you can get faster lock than 30s+a bit - but it takes hackery |
| 15:25.45 | BenPa85 | what kind of hackery? ;) |
| 15:25.50 | SpeedEvil | because you have to guess at predicted values of data structures |
| 15:25.54 | blinx | anyone can recommend a bluetooth dongle for linux? |
| 15:25.58 | blinx | usb... |
| 15:25.59 | SpeedEvil | transmitted by the satellite |
| 15:26.06 | BenPa85 | huh? |
| 15:27.04 | BenPa85 | as soon as the gps receiver throws out the utc, we can immediately push the ex.eph. |
| 15:27.48 | SpeedEvil | BenPa85: the satellite transmits the time every 30s. But, if you know enough about the datastream, you can predict other facets of the datastream - and use them as synthetic time references. |
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| 15:28.12 | SpeedEvil | If you have the time and position to within a third of a millisecond or so, you just use the bit edges, not the data itself. |
| 15:29.24 | BenPa85 | SpeedEvil: the faster time to fix should still have to have anything to do with the ee file |
| 15:29.26 | SpeedEvil | I'd suggest reading http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hammerhead/Protocol - the 'sources' link |
| 15:29.51 | SpeedEvil | BenPa85: it can. Now work out how it does. |
| 15:29.59 | SpeedEvil | There are several ways it could. |
| 15:30.10 | SpeedEvil | You need to figure out what it does. |
| 15:30.16 | SpeedEvil | In the absence of docs. |
| 15:30.22 | SpeedEvil | This is great fun! |
| 15:30.23 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 15:30.32 | BenPa85 | I thought it has something to do with the ephemeris data, because .ee stands for extended ephemeris |
| 15:30.53 | SpeedEvil | the university of colorado |
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| 15:31.06 | SpeedEvil | the reference that is |
| 15:31.13 | BenPa85 | k |
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| 15:32.16 | BenPa85 | in devices which support sirf instant fix it´s enough to update the .ee file every 7 days |
| 15:32.30 | BenPa85 | and the ttff is very fast |
| 15:32.41 | SpeedEvil | That's just because they are more accurate than the ephemirides. |
| 15:33.05 | BenPa85 | but you think it´s not enough to use this extended ephemeris data? |
| 15:34.05 | SpeedEvil | I have no straces, and no good idea of how it functions, so I hesitate to speculate. |
| 15:34.13 | BenPa85 | we have tried to use the .ee file with SirfDemo (which works with a special version) |
| 15:34.29 | SpeedEvil | does it simply copy a bit of the file verbatim to the chip? |
| 15:34.43 | BenPa85 | SpeedEvil: something like that |
| 15:35.35 | BenPa85 | it extracts some data for the actual time |
| 15:36.01 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - as I don't have hardware, I can't be of much help. |
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| 15:36.44 | SpeedEvil | Well - won't - unfortunately - I probably could, but I've got way too much on my stack of unprofitable tasks already :/ |
| 15:36.52 | BenPa85 | np :) but maybe you have a good idea :) |
| 15:37.01 | BenPa85 | k thx |
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| 15:37.11 | BenPa85 | any ideas who i can ask about that? |
| 15:38.30 | SpeedEvil | Look on teh crlooklook ont eh above wiki page for credits |
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| 15:38.49 | BenPa85 | can you give me a url? |
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| 15:39.09 | BenPa85 | *an |
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| 15:41.15 | SpeedEvil | the above url I posted |
| 15:41.59 | new_bie | hi just got openocd working , but i cant load u-boot from ram (which i have compiled) |
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| 15:42.31 | SpeedEvil | Interesting. Plotting tasks done vs time is not horribly un-linear. |
| 15:42.57 | new_bie | After connecting through gdb , pc was at address 0x18 (IRQ) |
| 15:43.36 | new_bie | sorry i was not able to run u-boot from ram (not load) |
| 15:43.52 | SpeedEvil | Annoyingly, it implies I have a day to wait |
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| 16:01.28 | CM | I've been unable to build uboot for over a month.. |
| 16:02.45 | SpeedEvil | It looked like that was not uboot - but to make a uboot compatible image |
| 16:02.55 | SpeedEvil | NOTE: Task failed: /mnt/data/om/t/build/tmp/work/neo1973-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/linux-openmoko-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3238-r10/temp/log.do_compile.9845 |
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| 16:11.30 | SpeedEvil | Anyone any http://zip.4chan.org/x/src/1197965918038.jpg |
| 16:11.32 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 16:12.08 | SpeedEvil | (worksafe, though accidental) |
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| 16:13.52 | fish__ | anyone want to sell his GTA01? ;) i'm pretty sad that the GTA02 is delayed till march.. if i knew that before i would have bought a GTA01.. but buying now a GTA01 is even more unreasonable.. |
| 16:14.39 | jmichel | I'm still trying to build a kernel module for OpenMoko... now it seems to use correctly the cross compiler and the OM kernel source but I still have this error averywhere: |
| 16:14.41 | SpeedEvil | I'll sell mine for only $400. It has a screen protector. |
| 16:14.47 | jmichel | __LINUX_ARM_ARCH__ not defined |
| 16:15.33 | mjr | SpeedEvil, did you get a suitable premade protector from somewhere or is it self-made? |
| 16:16.18 | jmichel | I cannot find where this __LINUX_ARM_ARCH__ const should be defined? |
| 16:16.36 | mjr | fish__, and from where do you get "March"? |
| 16:16.46 | SpeedEvil | mjr: I cut down a laptop one |
| 16:16.49 | fish__ | mjr: from the topic? ;) |
| 16:16.52 | mjr | SpeedEvil, right |
| 16:16.56 | fish__ | mjr: "maybe", ofcourse.. |
| 16:17.05 | mjr | oh, there |
| 16:17.20 | mjr | well, anyway, that's pretty much exactly why I did get a gta01 while the getting was good |
| 16:17.30 | SpeedEvil | you can still get them |
| 16:17.45 | SpeedEvil | and they arrive in about a week typically |
| 16:18.00 | mjr | in a week nowadays? good then |
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| 16:18.03 | fish__ | i was talking to LaF0rge on the cccamp last summer, there he was still pretty sure that the GTA02 will come this year.. |
| 16:18.18 | SpeedEvil | fish__: that was last summer |
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| 16:18.55 | fish__ | SpeedEvil: yes, i dont want to reproach anybody |
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| 16:19.38 | fish__ | SpeedEvil: but at that moment i tought "okay, than i'll just wait till then' |
| 16:19.40 | SpeedEvil | I'm just saying that at that time, it seemed reasonable. |
| 16:19.45 | SpeedEvil | now, not so. |
| 16:20.16 | SpeedEvil | It's not utterly inconcievable as I understand it that some neos may go out to external testers before years end. |
| 16:20.25 | SpeedEvil | IMO it's very, very unlikley. |
| 16:20.42 | fish__ | ok, whatever: how much would a neo base cost when i buy it from germany? (thinking about shipping an taxes) |
| 16:20.59 | SpeedEvil | From memory - $40 or so |
| 16:21.06 | SpeedEvil | don't forget import duty |
| 16:21.07 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 16:21.13 | SpeedEvil | sorry - that was shipping only |
| 16:21.27 | josch | borg_, ping |
| 16:21.34 | borg_ | josch: pong |
| 16:21.40 | fish__ | shipping only $40? thats expensive... |
| 16:21.55 | josch | borg_, you wrote the display locker app? |
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| 16:22.01 | fish__ | but the dollars isn't really expensive ;) |
| 16:22.04 | borg_ | josch: right |
| 16:22.37 | SpeedEvil | fish__: international shipping of moderately valuable items tends to be non-cheap. |
| 16:22.58 | fish__ | SpeedEvil: so everything included, what do you guess would it cost? maybe 400 USD? |
| 16:23.11 | josch | borg_, bug found: open openmoko-keyboard, idle a bit and wait till the locker app starts - the keyboard will be on top and you are no longer able to unlock it becaus e keyboard is in front of it |
| 16:23.23 | SpeedEvil | I'd guess at that - I don't know what the .de import duty is |
| 16:23.31 | borg_ | josch: oops, thats bad :) |
| 16:23.40 | borg_ | josch: it is on my list ;) |
| 16:23.44 | josch | borg_, thx |
| 16:23.45 | borg_ | there are some more bugs |
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| 16:24.17 | fish__ | maybe someone might buy me a neo from taiwan and give it to me on the cccongress? ;) |
| 16:24.35 | ShawnS_ | no import duty to de but 19/100 taxes |
| 16:25.11 | fish__ | 19/100 taxes? whats that? |
| 16:25.26 | ShawnS_ | 19 percent |
| 16:25.39 | fish__ | ah, okay |
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| 16:27.52 | fish__ | so that would mean 40$ shipping + 300*.19. thats it? thats roundabout 400 USD.. |
| 16:28.36 | SpeedEvil | xyeah |
| 16:29.17 | ShawnS_ | (50 $ shipping + 300) * 1.19 |
| 16:29.21 | SpeedEvil | I've found a .bb file for uboot-mkimage |
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| 16:29.30 | SpeedEvil | what do I do to build it? |
| 16:29.52 | borg_ | fish__: i bought two and i think i paid ~800$ (germany) |
| 16:30.08 | borg_ | but in the first days, imo the shipping is now a little bit cheaper |
| 16:30.27 | fish__ | okay.. ~280 euro.. |
| 16:30.47 | borg_ | yes |
| 16:31.19 | fish__ | well.. it still would be possible that someone buy me a neo in taiwan.. ;) |
| 16:31.30 | SpeedEvil | It's not sold from taiwan |
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| 16:40.26 | fish__ | SpeedEvil: well.. i just need to cut off the VAT ;) |
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| 16:56.25 | CIA-14 | openmoko: 03chris * r3680 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (ChangeLog src/sms-contacts.c): |
| 16:56.25 | CIA-14 | openmoko: * src/sms-contacts.c: (sms_contacts_page_new): |
| 16:56.25 | CIA-14 | openmoko: Update categories on start-up, in case there are no contacts |
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| 17:26.37 | CIA-14 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3682 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta01-inputdevice.patch: fix Kconfig help: Module called called neo1973kbd not gta01kbd |
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| 17:31.21 | univac | ;] |
| 17:31.32 | NineX | univac: ave |
| 17:31.38 | univac | elo |
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| 17:36.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1139 has been created by chris(AT)openedhand.com |
| 17:36.02 | cdbot2 | * * inotify doesn't work |
| 17:36.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1139 |
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| 18:18.24 | CIA-14 | openmoko: 03john_lee * r3683 10/developers/john_lee/toolkit/setup-env: fix really stupid error in setup-env. (used my home hardcoded path) |
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| 18:30.07 | dtx | GTA01 is on sale again? |
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| 18:31.02 | CM | dtx: Just still on sale |
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| 18:32.15 | dtx | I thought it was sold out |
| 18:32.23 | dtx | I haven't checked in a while though |
| 18:32.26 | CM | dtx: Yes, the first batch was very quickly |
| 18:32.33 | CM | So they made another bigger batch :) |
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| 18:32.53 | dtx | Same hardware? |
| 18:33.00 | CM | The GTA02 is still some months away, so if you want to start hacking a GTA01 will be good enough |
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| 18:33.09 | CM | Yes, exactly the same |
| 18:33.19 | tuxi | some months :-( |
| 18:33.41 | CM | Yes, according to the latest news.. |
| 18:33.56 | dtx | Hmmm, between this and my OLPC I got coming I don't know if I can devote a few hundred dollars to a soon to be superceded product |
| 18:34.01 | dtx | :-P |
| 18:34.01 | CM | Was some good indications of the latest rev of GTA02 on sunday though :) |
| 18:34.31 | CM | dtx: Heh, if you have a XO coming, play with that one until GTA02 is here ;) |
| 18:34.51 | dtx | Oh, I will |
| 18:34.54 | dtx | ;-) |
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| 18:35.09 | dtx | But it doesn't fit into my pocket as well |
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| 18:36.57 | dtx | hehe |
| 18:37.13 | dtx | Hey I thought this was supposed to be quad band btw |
| 18:37.51 | SpeedEvil | :( |
| 18:37.57 | SpeedEvil | It was supposed to be. |
| 18:38.03 | CM | Yeah, that's a serious setback.. |
| 18:38.14 | CM | I wonder how that 900->850 hack is working out |
| 18:38.19 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunately, it was never specified as more than 3 band by the hardware design |
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| 18:38.26 | dtx | hmmm |
| 18:38.31 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunately, it was never specified as more than 3 band to the hardware designer |
| 18:38.43 | dtx | I see |
| 18:38.56 | dtx | Does the exclude US usage? |
| 18:39.13 | dtx | the -> that |
| 18:39.23 | CM | No, depends on where you are |
| 18:39.39 | CM | ~seen mmontour |
| 18:39.43 | apt | mmontour <n=mmontour@S01060016b606e65a.vc.shawcable.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 1d 21h 43m 3s ago, saying: 'No, 799 is the MMC bug. I attached a workaround patch, but it would still be good for someone to investigate and figure out why it didn't work as originally written.'. |
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| 18:40.19 | SpeedEvil | In some places, it doesn't |
| 18:40.26 | SpeedEvil | work at all |
| 18:40.34 | dtx | Jeez |
| 18:40.35 | SpeedEvil | in others it's limited. (in the US) |
| 18:40.47 | SpeedEvil | EU is fine |
| 18:40.55 | dtx | I imagine Oklahoma would be one of the "doesn't work at all" regions |
| 18:41.14 | Writchie | it's adequate (barely) for t-mobile customers in U.S. |
| 18:41.22 | Writchie | unsuitable for AT&T |
| 18:41.44 | ewon | shit |
| 18:41.46 | ewon | I use AT&T |
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| 18:42.24 | dtx | man that does suck |
| 18:42.33 | dtx | so is this hack a software hack or hardware hack? |
| 18:42.50 | dtx | 900->850 |
| 18:43.04 | Writchie | different hardware components - it should work but until tested it's not 100% sure |
| 18:43.27 | ewon | so what's the story? sorry for jumping in on thie conversation - will there be a neo1973 that works in the US? |
| 18:43.53 | dtx | scroll up |
| 18:43.54 | Writchie | 850/1800/1900 is OK for US - marginal if you travel internationally. |
| 18:43.54 | dtx | :-P |
| 18:44.56 | dtx | time for them to make a GTA03_rev5 |
| 18:45.01 | dtx | or whatever it is |
| 18:49.22 | dtx | When something is quad band all the bands it is referring to are GSM bands correct? |
| 18:49.29 | dtx | 850 isn't like CDMA or anything right? |
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| 18:50.07 | Writchie | gsm quadband is 850/900/1800/1900 |
| 18:51.47 | dtx | Hmmm |
| 18:52.15 | Writchie | some 4 band 3g phones are called 3 band gsm 900/1800/1900 with UMTS 2100 |
| 18:52.18 | dtx | On a separate note, is SDIO fast enough to be used as a cell phone PCI slot of sorts |
| 18:52.33 | dtx | Like why isn't there a generic cell platform with a bunch of SDIO slots |
| 18:52.35 | dtx | or something |
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| 18:52.51 | dtx | to be more modular |
| 18:53.40 | dtx | Or some kind of micro form factor generic cell phone beige box |
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| 18:54.29 | mmontour_ | CM: ping |
| 18:54.37 | CM | mmontour_: There you are :D |
| 18:54.52 | CM | ~praiste mmontour_ |
| 18:54.53 | CM | pff |
| 18:54.53 | CM | ~praise mmontour_ |
| 18:54.53 | apt | All hail mmontour_! |
| 18:54.54 | CM | :D |
| 18:55.03 | mmontour_ | Thanks apt :) |
| 18:55.09 | CM | Just tried going through all the steps you listed in that page |
| 18:55.15 | CM | Worked perfectly |
| 18:55.18 | CM | Thanks a lot :) |
| 18:55.29 | mmontour_ | np, glad it worked. |
| 18:55.57 | CM | 0x40000 was a bad block on my neo btw.. |
| 18:56.04 | CM | That's why my uboot menu was borked |
| 18:56.12 | CM | u-boot_env I mean |
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| 19:03.21 | haakeyar | CM: Good indications on GTA02v5 on Sunday? Have I missed something? |
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| 19:09.50 | CM | haakeyar: Was just a brief mention by one of the devs in Taiwan who had gotten back from the factory |
| 19:10.09 | CM | He just said in here that "finally we have some good hw" or so, and said it looked promising |
| 19:10.26 | CM | But of course they need to test everything thoroughly |
| 19:13.39 | haakeyar | Oh, so they have created a small test set of the GTA02v5 already? |
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| 19:17.20 | CM | haakeyar: Sorry, remembered wrong: Fri Dec 14 2007 |
| 19:17.26 | CM | around 8:57 in the morning |
| 19:17.43 | Vegar | which timezone? |
| 19:17.47 | CM | CET |
| 19:17.59 | CM | GMT+1 I think |
| 19:18.04 | Vegar | yeah |
| 19:19.16 | Vegar | Great, **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Dec 14 01:28:20 2006, **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 14 14:15:02 2006 |
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| 19:19.28 | CM | hehe, 2006? |
| 19:19.41 | Vegar | oh, right |
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| 19:19.51 | Vegar | have I been around _that_ long? |
| 19:20.07 | CM | I think you have |
| 19:20.14 | Vegar | **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 14 17:26:54 2007 |
| 19:20.17 | Vegar | meh |
| 19:20.28 | Vegar | oh, wait, I might have them |
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| 19:21.56 | Saras | 12http://agui.myminicity.es/ind/ jpg ex girlfriend join in |
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| 19:22.09 | CM | Vegar: http://rafb.net/p/2oKDP073.html |
| 19:22.44 | CM | Not much info as usually.. But every trickle is better than nothing ;) |
| 19:22.53 | Vegar | haha, yeah |
| 19:23.04 | Vegar | .. and there the 150MHz irssi host is done searching the log |
| 19:23.11 | CM | Hehe |
| 19:23.47 | CM | Argh.. Finally mangaged to fix my Neo with the debugboard, and now I can't ssh to it |
| 19:24.06 | xcasex | lol |
| 19:24.23 | CM | Anyone have a clue what this message in dmesg means: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): usb0: link is not ready |
| 19:24.45 | xcasex | what it sasy |
| 19:24.47 | xcasex | *says |
| 19:24.52 | Vegar | CM: might that be 02a5? |
| 19:25.10 | CM | Vegar: What? |
| 19:25.19 | Vegar | CM: the stuff from the log |
| 19:25.30 | CM | Ah, yes |
| 19:25.37 | CM | THat's GTA02v5 or what they call it |
| 19:25.44 | Vegar | oh, so it's v5 |
| 19:25.44 | Vegar | right |
| 19:25.52 | Vegar | well, that's cool |
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| 19:30.03 | haakeyar | CM: You remembered wrong again. It was on Dec 15. :P (I was looking through the log for Dec 14 again and again without finding anything). |
| 19:30.42 | haakeyar | Until I finally took a look at the days surrounding. |
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| 19:41.15 | CM | haakeyar: Heh, sorry.. |
| 19:41.24 | CM | Should have looked at my pastebin instead ;) |
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| 19:43.39 | anrp | march? |
| 19:43.40 | anrp | :( |
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| 19:58.03 | Sufflope | arrrrrg March :o I knew I should've bought an iPhone :D |
| 19:58.08 | anrp | D: |
| 19:58.51 | ewon | March? christ on a bike |
| 19:59.16 | ewon | if WM wasn't so intolerably shit I'd just get a HTC TyTN II |
| 20:04.16 | Vegar | March?! |
| 20:04.25 | Vegar | is that hardware or software? |
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| 20:05.38 | ifeel | Vegar: I hope software!! |
| 20:06.13 | ifeel | hardware in a month should be tested... |
| 20:06.17 | ifeel | I hope... |
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| 20:17.26 | haakeyar | If we use SpeedEvil's estimated timeline for GTA02v4 (http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Neo1973&oldid=20378), we get something like the beginning of February. |
| 20:17.27 | haakeyar | But maybe things are different now. |
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| 20:18.01 | haakeyar | Ah, I was wrong. It would be around February 20th with SpeedEvil's GTA02v4 estimated time line, not early February as I said. |
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| 20:31.03 | haakeyar | What I said was supposed to come much earlier, but it came late because of unstable (self-soldered after my sister destroyed it) wireless network. |
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| 21:05.48 | nelson | Oughtn't the openmoko image be accompanied by some sample media files? |
| 21:06.07 | nelson | So, like, if I open up media player, there's something to hear / see. |
| 21:08.44 | balrog-kun | yeah maybe a good idea |
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| 21:16.52 | nelson | Hrm. |
| 21:16.55 | nelson | root@fic-gta01:/media/card$ ls -l /dev/dsp |
| 21:16.55 | nelson | ls: /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
| 21:17.06 | anrp | is it legacy-free (alsa?) |
| 21:17.29 | nelson | madplay is looking for /dev/dsp. |
| 21:17.36 | nelson | gstreamer complains connection refused. |
| 21:18.50 | anrp | ;/ dunno then |
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| 21:21.34 | mmontour | nelson: is your snd_pcm_oss module loaded? |
| 21:21.58 | abraxa_ | nelson: PulseAudio might be interfering there so you might want to kill it for testing purposes. As for the media files... if you can find ways to reduce the rootfs size, sure ;) |
| 21:22.20 | anrp | /lib/libc.so.6 has a rocking beat |
| 21:23.28 | nelson | mmontour: no, it's not. |
| 21:24.25 | nelson | WARNING: Error inserting snd (/lib/modules/2.6.22.5-moko11/kernel/sound/core/snd.ko): Invalid module format |
| 21:25.05 | anrp | uh oh.. kernel/compiler mismatch? D: |
| 21:25.14 | anrp | dmesg|tail might tell you why that is |
| 21:25.19 | mmontour | What's your kernel version (uname -r)? |
| 21:25.37 | nelson | 2.6.22.5-moko11 |
| 21:25.58 | nelson | I compiled this myself, but (in theory, of course) just using make openmoko-devel-image |
| 21:26.29 | nelson | There are never any bugs; anything that doesn't work right is a function of your expectations. |
| 21:26.35 | nelson | And I never fumble-finger ANYTHING. |
| 21:26.50 | nelson | EVER. |
| 21:27.09 | nelson | And especially not while functioning as RMS's typing hands, when he says "rm -rf . *" |
| 21:27.30 | nelson | especially when he thought he wasn't pausing between dot and star. |
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| 21:40.46 | anrp | find / -exec chmod 0000 '{}' ';' would fix that |
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| 21:41.59 | Vegar | how would you restore that error? |
| 21:42.12 | anrp | me? |
| 21:42.16 | anrp | reinstall, pretty much |
| 21:42.30 | anrp | its not exactly fatal but figuring out what needs what is hard |
| 21:42.42 | Vegar | yeah |
| 21:42.45 | anrp | and whatever it is would need to come offline to fix it |
| 21:43.07 | Vegar | I'm pretty sure it would go offline all by itself after a while |
| 21:48.04 | emdete | at which voltage does the neo stop charging? |
| 21:55.11 | anrp | depends on your definition of stop ;) |
| 21:55.27 | anrp | but its probably 4.235 |
| 21:57.53 | emdete | anrp: i would expect that /sys/.../chgmode would switch from fast_... to idle or something |
| 21:58.05 | emdete | ...and chgcur drops to 0 |
| 21:59.34 | emdete | anrp: so what is the voltage where a app would shutdown the neo? |
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