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| 00:09.27 | I-MOD | brandon kruse? |
| 00:09.44 | I-MOD | in hsv? |
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| 00:19.26 | bkruse_home | I-MOD: yes. |
| 00:19.38 | I-MOD | haha |
| 00:19.56 | bkruse_home | I-MOD: I knew your nick sounded fimiliar :] |
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| 00:21.08 | I-MOD | bkruse_home, do you have the hardware? |
| 00:21.19 | I-MOD | or just poking in an emu? |
| 00:21.22 | bkruse_home | I-MOD: not yet, its on its way :] |
| 00:21.28 | I-MOD | kickass |
| 00:21.31 | bkruse_home | qemu now :/ its not THAT bad to see graphics and what not |
| 00:21.36 | I-MOD | i'll have to see that when it gets in |
| 00:21.48 | bkruse_home | I-MOD: ill bring them all in, i think im getting a fair amount |
| 00:22.28 | I-MOD | all? as in more than one of them? |
| 00:22.46 | bkruse_home | I-MOD: correct. |
| 00:22.49 | bkruse_home | one for each developer |
| 00:23.00 | I-MOD | sweet.... |
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| 00:24.21 | bkruse_home | brb |
| 00:24.28 | bkruse_home | cross compiling libiax2 now :X |
| 00:32.53 | mmontour | Grrr, I take back what I said earlier today about u-boot looking nicer - it's still buggy. |
| 00:37.46 | mmontour | I've updated the "Neo1973 Debug Board v2" wiki page and I've created a page with an "unbricking" procedure. |
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| 00:38.19 | mmontour | I'd appreciate it if some people could take a look at them, and let me know if they see any errors. |
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| 00:53.05 | hhf423 | moin |
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| 01:11.52 | bkruse_home | in qemu, I cannot scroll down on the apps page, :[ |
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| 01:13.01 | CM | bkruse_home: It's finger scroll |
| 01:13.07 | CM | Just press and drag the other way |
| 01:13.25 | CM | The line to the right is just a marker showing where you are in the scroll list :) |
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| 01:14.28 | bkruse_home | Gotcha, thank you again, CM :] |
| 01:15.17 | raster | BOO |
| 01:15.18 | CM | mmontour: I'll take a look at that page tomorrow |
| 01:16.17 | bkruse_home | CM: how useable is the on screen keyboard? |
| 01:16.26 | CM | bkruse_home: It works pretty well |
| 01:16.57 | CM | o-hand did some fixes just a short while ago to make it less likely that you accidently click on an item in the list when you try to scroll |
| 01:17.16 | CM | In general, it works good and much faster than in qemu |
| 01:17.43 | balrog-kun | the on-screen keyboard is much more usable on the Neo than in qemu :/ |
| 01:18.04 | balrog-kun | the touchscreen driver does some strange averaging or extrapolation which messes up the measures in qemu a bit |
| 01:18.52 | CM | mmontour: That Unbricking page looks really great, though I haven't gone through it in detail yet. Thanks :) |
| 01:21.43 | mmontour | Thanks CM |
| 01:29.10 | cesarb | Hm, shouldn't there be a /sys/devices/system/timer/timer0/dyn_tick, since CONFIG_NO_IDLE_HZ is supposed to be enabled? I can't find it. |
| 01:30.39 | cesarb | (I was looking if that file is set to 0, since setting it to 1 is supposed to save power) |
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| 02:03.04 | hhf423 | doh |
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| 02:03.13 | hhf423 | spooks is frightening |
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| 02:14.54 | bkruse_home | if I was making my own application, where would I start? I am reading the guide: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Create_a_package_from_existing_sources |
| 02:15.24 | bkruse_home | but when I layout my directory structure like that, my source is not even close to the open moko source, and the applications, is this normal? |
| 02:15.34 | bkruse_home | (not even close, as in about 3 directories up |
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| 02:27.40 | cesarb | ...and, after tracing through a seriously long chain of indirections, I found out that arch/arm/plat-s3c24xx/time.c is the real timer code, and it doesn't set .dyn_tick on the sys_timer structure, meaning it doesn't have any support for CONFIG_NO_IDLE_HZ at all, which thus is dead code, meaning the longest IDLE period is 1/200s (the CPU will be woken up 200 times per second, while it could easily get as low as 7 times per second) |
| 02:28.12 | cesarb | I wonder if there is a reason or it just wasn't written |
| 02:28.45 | cesarb | And I also wonder how many mW that could save us |
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| 02:48.19 | bkruse_home | hey guys, i see on the application crash course about an error but no solution: bitbake error: no providers of biuld target 'programname' (for []) any ideas? |
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| 04:31.38 | CIA-14 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r171 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Only check out trunk and developers from openmomo. Thanks to cesarb |
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| 05:00.28 | dbmoodb | wtf march ? |
| 05:00.37 | dbmoodb | ..... |
| 05:00.38 | dbmoodb | hits head |
| 05:01.44 | dbmoodb | ah wait wasn't the gta02av5 put out a bit ? to test ? |
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| 05:19.41 | CVirus | school time |
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| 05:25.58 | raster | finally! |
| 05:26.11 | raster | my pac kages are building from MY source tree |
| 05:26.24 | raster | ]not some cvs anon checkout or tarball http snarf |
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| 09:01.27 | dbmood1 | ok where is the new info reg the extra delay added to the date ? |
| 09:01.59 | SpeedEvil | basicaly hardware delays |
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| 09:02.54 | dbmood1 | mmm oh really ? |
| 09:03.07 | dbmood1 | with the wifi card ? |
| 09:08.38 | SpeedEvil | No - there are known problems - no 850Mhz band, power managment, and other stuff I think wrong with GTA02v4 |
| 09:08.59 | SpeedEvil | a trial is being made on gta01 phones for a fix for the 850Mhz band |
| 09:09.18 | dbmood1 | oh the powermanagement ? |
| 09:09.29 | dbmood1 | - so why do we need the 850mhz band? |
| 09:09.29 | SpeedEvil | and if that works OK, v5 of the 02 version will be made |
| 09:09.35 | SpeedEvil | much of america |
| 09:09.57 | dbmood1 | ...? |
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| 09:10.38 | dbmood1 | yeah but for how long ? |
| 09:11.01 | dbmood1 | won't you they be moving to the 1900 and 1800 bands anyway ? |
| 09:11.15 | CM | Not soon enough, if they are |
| 09:11.20 | dbmood1 | lol |
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| 10:35.16 | gopi_ | The US isn't going to be moving to 1800. |
| 10:35.27 | gopi_ | They have a lot of 1900. |
| 10:35.48 | gopi_ | But a lot of it depends on who has spectrum where. |
| 10:36.20 | Oryn | I have a gta01 and will be moving to the usa in 4 months |
| 10:36.39 | Oryn | the gsm where I'm going is 1900 |
| 10:36.51 | gopi_ | T-mobile is 1900 only, AT&T seems to be 1900 in bigger areas and 850 in smaller areas. |
| 10:37.18 | Oryn | T-mobile is the provider I'll be using |
| 10:37.23 | gopi_ | I realized that what I *really* want is a neo1973 with concurrent dual SIM support. |
| 10:37.51 | gopi_ | When I'm travelling, one roaming and one local. |
| 10:37.58 | Oryn | what you need is a sim emulator |
| 10:38.19 | roh | gopi_ well. will not happen |
| 10:38.26 | gopi_ | You mean, extract the keys? |
| 10:38.49 | roh | the group of people who is ready to pay twice the price for a mobile phone is so small that just nearly no vendor builds such phones. (oh wonder) |
| 10:39.02 | gopi_ | roh: will I have to hack up the battery panel, thicken it, and add an embedded GPRS module to it? :) |
| 10:39.20 | roh | and just forget hacking the card. thats not possible for a vendor of such a phone, especially not for sale |
| 10:39.48 | gopi_ | roh: I went to a place selling imported chinese crap (not implying it's all crap...this place was specifically not export grade quality) and they had a surprisingly large collection of concurrent dual SIM phones. |
| 10:39.50 | SpeedEvil | roh: I suspect that's not actually the case, if you could put it into public conciousness - a fair number of people would like a phone with two radios. |
| 10:40.15 | roh | gopi_ well. i do not believe anybody reasobable would want a device with twice the power-consumption and much more bulky. |
| 10:40.22 | gopi_ | roh: I think that the ability to intelligently switch between two SIMs would be *really* nifty. |
| 10:40.33 | roh | same with sat-phones. yes they are bulky, yes they are cool, no we do not build one just for fun |
| 10:40.44 | SpeedEvil | roh: twice the power consumption? 5 days vs 10 days standby. So? |
| 10:41.02 | gopi_ | roh: I've seen dual SIM phones that were smaller than the neo1973. |
| 10:41.08 | roh | SpeedEvil still you will only find a few thousand people who pay wrice the price. |
| 10:41.23 | gopi_ | roh: The Linux side would not be duplicated. |
| 10:41.32 | roh | goyes. and these phones satuarte the dual-sim market nicely |
| 10:41.42 | roh | the linux side is the easy part. |
| 10:41.50 | gopi_ | Incoming call on the expensive roaming SIM? Bounce it and promptly return the call on your roaming SIM. |
| 10:41.57 | gopi_ | Incoming SMS is often free when roaming. |
| 10:42.34 | gopi_ | roh: Is there any way to do it other than two independent GPRS radios? |
| 10:43.06 | roh | thats all nice theoretical usecases.. but yet i do not believe anybody will make a realistic businesscase of such a nice-market |
| 10:43.29 | roh | gopi_ nope. wither 2 radios or only one sime booked in at a time |
| 10:43.31 | roh | -e |
| 10:44.37 | gopi_ | roh: I'm not trying to make a business case right now. I just realized when I was looking at the dual SIM phones that intelligent bridging of the two would make them damned useful, and that without that it would be quite annoying to effectively use them. |
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| 10:46.14 | gopi_ | roh: adding an internal connector with a UART on the back, placed to permit us hacking types to add what we want, along with a bigger back panel for internal additions of whatever we could think of, either this, or some other nifty hardware, would, IMHO, let some people add interesting stuff. |
| 10:47.25 | roh | gopi_ we currently have i2c spi and an irq-capable gpio on the debug connector |
| 10:47.47 | roh | the difficult part is the audio and the serial. |
| 10:47.59 | SpeedEvil | The onlt real problem with the debug connector is lack of USB and power |
| 10:48.05 | SpeedEvil | other than that, it's fine. |
| 10:48.21 | roh | audio is not on extra pins (no free in/out) but the bluetooth has a audio-line which you could abuse |
| 10:48.31 | roh | usb is also on the bt module |
| 10:49.00 | roh | on gta02 the serial is not shared anymore between the modem and the console, so you could use the console line for a second modem. |
| 10:49.17 | SpeedEvil | However as I understand it it's highly non-trivial to access, as there is no FPC connector for the BT module |
| 10:49.18 | gopi_ | A GeekPort™-like connector on the neo1973 would really push me over the edge. |
| 10:49.53 | roh | power is much more complicated. the gta01 and 02 are only calculated for one modem. a second one will need loads of power which the pmu cannot handle. so you need to connect to vbat and go to add a second pmu with switching power-converters (for efficiency) |
| 10:50.23 | roh | SpeedEvil BT is on a fpc, its just soldered |
| 10:50.54 | roh | soldered below the display on the board, then folded around onto the shielding case of the arm9 |
| 10:51.34 | roh | so in absolute theory you could add and connect all neccessary components.. you just need to be a bit crazy and have loads of time |
| 10:51.52 | SpeedEvil | yes, but it's utterly useless to sell people a kit |
| 10:51.55 | gopi_ | roh: I'm a lot crazy but I don't have much time... |
| 10:52.09 | SpeedEvil | you can't sell them a kit which simply plugs in and adds stuff. |
| 10:52.20 | SpeedEvil | if it requires soldering |
| 10:52.52 | roh | SpeedEvil ack |
| 10:52.55 | gopi_ | roh: is there any chance that a nice geek-friendly connector would be able to appear on GTA03? |
| 10:53.31 | roh | gopi_ well.. we really hope so. |
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| 10:53.58 | roh | we put on the one we have what was usefull and possible without extra parts and pcbspace |
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| 10:54.09 | roh | thats why no usb, serial or power is on there. |
| 10:54.25 | roh | we just did not have one spare |
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| 10:55.29 | dbmood1 | wait have the power issues on the v1 sorted ? |
| 10:55.44 | gopi_ | roh: what about a fatter back panel? I've often seen those from third parties for cellphones, so it seems like they're doable at moderate volumes. |
| 10:55.50 | SpeedEvil | All you need is to include a robust small easy to connect to, misalignment tolerant, cheap connector, with all the possible signals on it :) |
| 10:56.59 | SpeedEvil | gopi_: most have stalled due to tooling and quantity difficulties. |
| 10:57.14 | SpeedEvil | gopi_: and some due to technical problems. |
| 10:57.18 | gopi_ | SpeedEvil: Oops, I forgot to add misalignment tolerance on my list for Santa, thanks. |
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| 10:57.38 | SpeedEvil | gopi_: many of the objectives are hard to do in a kit that has to be installable by users. |
| 10:58.08 | SpeedEvil | Especially that's got to be not too expensive in volumes of dozens. |
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| 10:59.39 | gopi_ | SpeedEvil: I know, I know. I'm OK with an expensive and hard to solder connector, and I don't mind having to add my own power management foo. |
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| 11:00.42 | SpeedEvil | I came up with a 'least bad' stuff for an extension back pinout list. I forget what it was. |
| 11:01.16 | SpeedEvil | USB, i2c, vbatt, gnd, and a few others |
| 11:01.51 | SpeedEvil | Odd. |
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| 11:02.02 | SpeedEvil | the busybox tar keeps saying 'bad magic'. |
| 11:02.43 | SpeedEvil | oh well, just install big tar I guess. |
| 11:04.25 | Oryn | the one and only time I made a call on my phone the 2nd party complained of echo |
| 11:05.07 | Oryn | is there an echo canceling thing in the sound hardware? |
| 11:05.29 | SpeedEvil | Oryn: no |
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| 11:05.42 | SpeedEvil | well - sort-of |
| 11:05.53 | Oryn | I'm not sure if it was internal or if the mic was picking up the speaker |
| 11:05.55 | SpeedEvil | you should not get echo |
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| 11:06.21 | SpeedEvil | it's not impossible that the audio was misconfigured |
| 11:06.34 | SpeedEvil | the audio system is _horribly_ complex. |
| 11:06.40 | Oryn | SpeedEvil, I didn't, it was the other end that could hear themselves |
| 11:07.59 | Oryn | i think it was made worse by the fact that the other person was some distance away |
| 11:09.53 | Oryn | some 4200 miles :P |
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| 11:27.03 | matsimoto | after disabling gsmd autostart I get notifications saying "Not searching" what does this mean ? |
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| 12:02.58 | matsimoto | after disabling gsmd autostart I get notifications saying "Not searching" what does this mean ? |
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| 12:07.29 | NineX | matsimoto: it means that gsmd is no started so phone will not regoster into a netwoerk |
| 12:07.50 | univac | NineX: ile placles za sziping? |
| 12:08.17 | matsimoto | NineX: but who issues this message ? the panel applet or ... ? |
| 12:09.04 | NineX | univac: univac jakos 150 USD dolicz jeszcze do tego clo - ja zaplacilem 255PLN cla) |
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| 12:09.28 | univac | :o! |
| 12:09.28 | NineX | damn some one hast to screw webkit... some headers are missing :S |
| 12:09.33 | NineX | damn some one hast to screw webkit... some headers are missing :S |
| 12:10.27 | SpeedEvil | just compile FF :) |
| 12:10.45 | NineX | SpeedEvil: ? |
| 12:11.13 | NineX | damn |
| 12:11.17 | NineX | hmm |
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| 13:05.52 | peh | "Maybe March" now? bah. I want it now :P |
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| 13:12.32 | gi-el | hehe |
| 13:12.44 | gi-el | if only irc clients could render that :P |
| 13:12.59 | SpeedEvil | (bison) |
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| 13:14.50 | CoreDump | gi-el: thank god it doesn't, mirc is bad enough heh |
| 13:15.20 | gi-el | heh |
| 13:15.28 | gi-el | haven't touched mirc in ages |
| 13:15.33 | gi-el | must've been 8 years |
| 13:17.29 | cesarb | hm, looks like linux-openmoko has an undeclared dependency on uboot-openmoko or something like that |
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| 13:22.02 | NineX | still try to figure out why irssi segfauts on exit |
| 13:29.24 | SpeedEvil | Easy solution. |
| 13:29.28 | SpeedEvil | Don't exit. |
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| 13:33.34 | SpeedEvil | there is awk, bison, yacc, ar, ... |
| 13:33.38 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
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| 15:24.13 | Don | hey all |
| 15:24.22 | dcordes | hi Don |
| 15:25.16 | Don | I know the rules about asking about the GTA02 but... anyone know a place I can find an updated timeline? |
| 15:25.24 | SpeedEvil | you can't |
| 15:25.34 | SpeedEvil | literally nobody has one |
| 15:25.43 | Don | doh! |
| 15:25.46 | Don | This waiting is killing me |
| 15:25.54 | SpeedEvil | As a basic timeline. |
| 15:26.21 | SpeedEvil | The final board revision candidate is unlikely to be within a couple of weeks |
| 15:26.36 | Don | how is the software shaking out on the 1973? |
| 15:26.57 | Don | I just read the wiki and it said the "GTA02 will have to wait" |
| 15:27.14 | ajbrun | which page was that Don? |
| 15:27.33 | SpeedEvil | then maybe another couple of weeks to make a dozen or so, another couple of weeks to test them, a couple of weeks to make 50 or so, a couple of weeks more to send these out to external testers, a month to test, another couple of weeks to make a new batch for consumers, and a couple of weeks to ship them out |
| 15:28.06 | Don | http://planet.openmoko.org/ |
| 15:28.06 | SpeedEvil | which adds up to quite a lot of weeks. |
| 15:28.16 | SpeedEvil | Assuming that it all works in this next board rev |
| 15:29.43 | ajbrun | ah well, so long as it's worth the wait :) |
| 15:29.46 | Don | I just wish there was some guage. I wanted this in October, the December, then late December... Now I don't know what to do |
| 15:30.17 | Don | I'm sure it will be. worth the wait but I just wish I knew how long I had to wait! |
| 15:31.04 | Don | so.... how is the software shaking out on the 1973? |
| 15:31.40 | peh | is it out yet? is it out yet? is it out yet? |
| 15:31.49 | ajbrun | ... |
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| 15:34.49 | ajbrun | cartman's in the freezer? |
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| 15:35.20 | peh | ajbrun: there was a double-episode where he couldn't stand waiting for the Nintendo Wii, so he froze himself |
| 15:35.27 | ajbrun | ah yeah |
| 15:35.28 | dcordes | lol |
| 15:36.38 | Don | if only it were that simple. |
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| 15:37.26 | Don | got to go snowblow some of this foot of snow away |
| 15:37.38 | Don | ahhh life in New England |
| 15:37.46 | Don | l8tr all |
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| 15:39.59 | ajbrun | we have no snow in old england :( |
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| 16:08.57 | KrisAbsinthe | It was quite a while ago about the audio: the echo is caused by the phone. If you manually change the settings in alsamixer turn down the amplification and up the actual audio volume to 1 red bar it sounds great, gets rid of that crappy airy sound too |
| 16:10.29 | KrisAbsinthe | record the numerical value of each thing you change and edit the gsmhandset.state file to reflect your changes, that way will will be permanent |
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| 16:16.06 | gambler | no GTA02 |
| 16:16.11 | gambler | that is so gay |
| 16:18.15 | KrisAbsinthe | has the project been abandoned? or set back untill the GTA01 works right? |
| 16:18.46 | kinneh | KrisAbsinthe: what, no why should it be abandond ? |
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| 16:19.22 | ahven | the other side hears itself in an echo |
| 16:19.33 | ahven | I hear them without it |
| 16:19.46 | KrisAbsinthe | It should not be abandoned, but there is still work to be done for the GTA01 |
| 16:20.04 | ajbrun | what's wrong with the gta01? |
| 16:20.32 | KrisAbsinthe | Yes, i edited the alsa settings wile on the phone with my wife, if you do what i typed earlier it ends the echo |
| 16:20.50 | ajbrun | isn't that a software problem tho? |
| 16:21.02 | ajbrun | the gta01 isn't supposed to be released |
| 16:21.12 | KrisAbsinthe | ajbrun: Software is unstable and the GSM 850 is a problem |
| 16:21.25 | ajbrun | which is why the gta02 will be released |
| 16:21.33 | ajbrun | and the software is bound to be unstable |
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| 16:21.40 | ajbrun | it's not been released yet |
| 16:21.45 | ajbrun | officially |
| 16:22.57 | KrisAbsinthe | Right, I was only commenting on gambler saying that there is no GTA02. I was asking if the project was ended or just taking longer, I will be buying the 02 |
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| 16:23.47 | ajbrun | i think he meant no gta02 yet |
| 16:23.52 | ajbrun | or in december |
| 16:24.18 | KrisAbsinthe | Oh ok, I cant wait. I will be using VOIP with the WiFi |
| 16:24.30 | ajbrun | topic says could be march tho |
| 16:25.11 | cjb_ie | ajbrun: it says maybe march. |
| 16:25.29 | cjb_ie | which could mean anything :) |
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| 16:25.39 | ajbrun | "could be" == "maybe" == "might be"? |
| 16:25.41 | KrisAbsinthe | Yeah, ill keep the 01 cause I love the phone but I may add a WiFi USB adapter internally |
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| 16:26.07 | cjb_ie | KrisAbsinthe: there's space for that? |
| 16:26.53 | KrisAbsinthe | Sure, just behind the back case there is enough room for just the PCB |
| 16:26.57 | gambler | is there a qemu binary for those of us who dont want to install gcc 3.x |
| 16:27.44 | KrisAbsinthe | If I take off the USB plug and the plastics i can wire it in, just enough room. |
| 16:29.09 | KrisAbsinthe | or maybe not... i had eyeballed it but, ill have to find a spot for it now , damn it |
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| 16:39.55 | mohamed | hi all |
| 16:40.48 | KrisAbsinthe | hello |
| 16:40.51 | mohamed | I have ubuntu 7.10 and package openmoko-sound-theme-standard2-0.1+svnr3192-r3: task do_unpack: failed |
| 16:41.01 | mohamed | what ahould I do |
| 16:41.10 | mohamed | *should |
| 16:41.36 | KrisAbsinthe | do you have permissions to that folder |
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| 16:42.02 | KrisAbsinthe | nevermind |
| 16:42.17 | KrisAbsinthe | whats the space on the Neo like |
| 16:42.44 | mohamed | I'm trying to build it on my PC not on the Neo |
| 16:43.01 | mohamed | I have a lot of space |
| 16:43.10 | KrisAbsinthe | is it a tar or a tar.gz |
| 16:44.27 | mohamed | I'll check it |
| 16:45.18 | mohamed | tar.gz |
| 16:45.48 | KrisAbsinthe | and you issued tar zxvf <filename> |
| 16:46.47 | mohamed | no, I'm using mokomakefile |
| 16:46.49 | mohamed | the trace |
| 16:46.50 | mohamed | gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file |
| 16:46.52 | mohamed | tar: Unexpected EOF in archive |
| 16:46.55 | mohamed | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 16:46.57 | mohamed | NOTE: Task failed: |
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| 16:46.59 | mohamed | NOTE: package openmoko-sound-theme-standard2-0.1+svnr3192-r3: task do_unpack: failed |
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| 16:47.37 | CM | mohamed: Sounds to me like you have a broken file in your sources dir |
| 16:47.51 | CM | Try removing the file and it's md5 |
| 16:47.55 | KrisAbsinthe | yeah what he said |
| 16:48.27 | mohamed | CM: then from where to get it once more, buildhost.openmoko.org? |
| 16:48.46 | CM | It will be fetched automaticly by bitbake |
| 16:48.50 | CM | From the recipie |
| 16:50.57 | mohamed | CM: No such file or directory !!? |
| 16:51.32 | mohamed | CM: I've used make openmoko-devel-image |
| 16:51.49 | mohamed | CM: should I use another command? |
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| 17:00.41 | sebasmagri | hi friends... how can i purchase an openmoko from Venezuela...? |
| 17:00.58 | CM | sebasmagri: Same as everyone else, order from the homepage :) |
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| 17:01.17 | CM | mohamed: I tried to find where it is.. Built without problems for me |
| 17:01.53 | sebasmagri | CM, cool... and the plattform is enough stable for final users? i'm an gentoo user... |
| 17:02.21 | CM | sebasmagri: Well, there's only the gta01 availible right now |
| 17:02.44 | CM | The final harware revision is still some months away before you can order it |
| 17:03.00 | mohamed | CM: can't get the drift, of what you said; should I download the file or just try to rebuild from the start? |
| 17:03.27 | CM | mohamed: Well, I can't say what is wrong with your svn checkout |
| 17:03.34 | sebasmagri | CM, and wich is the package system in Openmoko??? |
| 17:04.00 | CM | sebasmagri: ipkg, similar to debians dpkg but simpler |
| 17:04.31 | sebasmagri | ah ok fine... are you a developer?? |
| 17:04.52 | CM | mohamed: try a make rebuild-package-openmoko-sound-theme-standard2 |
| 17:05.12 | CM | sebasmagri: No, just a hang around here :) |
| 17:05.48 | CM | sebasmagri: There are several OpenMoko employed developers in here though, and a lot of people who do develop applications on their freee time |
| 17:06.15 | sebasmagri | CM, dont you know if the openmoko plattform can be adjusted to other package system? like portage? |
| 17:06.46 | CM | I'm a gentoo user too btw.. |
| 17:06.56 | CM | And no, don't know how hard that would be to change. |
| 17:07.29 | CM | there has been some work done to make openembedded generate debs instead, but I don't know how far along that is yet |
| 17:08.26 | ahven | KrisAbsinthe: care to upload the gsmhandset.state to a pastebin or something? :) |
| 17:09.03 | CM | KrisAbsinthe: Or maybe file a bug and attatch it there? |
| 17:09.19 | CM | Since it's clearly a bug if the audio is configured wrong by default |
| 17:09.37 | xcasex | CM: chachi, what's your ETA on the flight up? |
| 17:09.57 | CM | xcasex: I'm driving, so late saturday the 22:nd |
| 17:10.13 | CM | It's only 1000km or so anyway.. :P |
| 17:10.39 | xcasex | CM: excellence. pop by and i'll treat you to some fine cousine ;) |
| 17:11.56 | CM | Hehe, sounds nice :D |
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| 17:15.27 | PBeck | hi |
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| 17:30.23 | mohamed | CM: thanks alot CM it worked fine |
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| 17:32.01 | CM | mohamed: glad it helped :) |
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| 18:13.30 | matsimoto | is it possible to deactivate the power save features while connected to USB ? This would be great for development. |
| 18:15.38 | CM | matsimoto: Yes, I think that's just to hold in the power button |
| 18:15.48 | CM | And select "no pm" from the menu |
| 18:16.21 | matsimoto | CM: I mean a more automatic mechanism :) in charge mode no pm and in battery mode pm on. |
| 18:16.47 | CM | Hehe, ah, ok. Sure, but I guess that should be some kind of option to neod or similar |
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| 18:18.21 | matsimoto | that would be great. I try to use it at my secondary phone. And when in a hurry I remove USB and go out. one hour later the battery is dead without the pm |
| 18:18.44 | SpeedEvil | one hour is a bit unlikely if it's been fully charged |
| 18:18.49 | SpeedEvil | it should last >>3 |
| 18:18.52 | CM | NineX had his phone on for 11 hours with pm |
| 18:19.36 | NineX | CM: my friend workin onthey own krenel patchset + couple programs for power managment |
| 18:20.14 | matsimoto | ok, ok let say 3 hours, but if it is in your pocket you will forget to activate pm. |
| 18:20.15 | CM | NineX: Cool. We sure need better pm |
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| 18:23.51 | damunix | hi |
| 18:30.25 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: I'm thinking of adding code to arch/arm/plat-s3c24xx/time.c to allow the use of dynticks, for longer IDLE times... do you think that would bring a noticeable decrease in power consumption, or at least allow later for use of SLOW or something like that? |
| 18:30.40 | SpeedEvil | It won't hurt |
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| 18:31.17 | SpeedEvil | In practice, I don't think it'll buy much. |
| 18:31.54 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: given that I will have to busy-wait until just after the timer decrease (so as to not add too much jitter when changing the timer counter), it might lead to _less_ IDLE time in some situations |
| 18:32.05 | SpeedEvil | I should check that, but from memory it wasn't significant - the Hz spike |
| 18:33.09 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: if we could make it enter POWEROFF instead of IDLE... |
| 18:33.17 | ahven | btw, is the phone supposed to lock itself DURING a call? :) |
| 18:34.47 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: that'd be nice. |
| 18:34.55 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: it's orders of magnitude more coding though. |
| 18:35.17 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: wouldn't it need just changing the pm_idle logic? |
| 18:35.29 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 18:35.35 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: if I read that thing right, it only turns off the CPU core, and can wake via interrupts... |
| 18:35.50 | SpeedEvil | power off mode on the CPU - assuming you're talking of suspend-RAM mode is basically CPU off |
| 18:35.58 | SpeedEvil | you're coming back from suspend-RAM |
| 18:36.23 | SpeedEvil | CPU core clock 'off' is depressingly high power |
| 18:37.34 | SpeedEvil | What we 'really' need is to hack _rapid_ suspend and resume paths into drivers |
| 18:38.22 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: OLPC-style? |
| 18:38.29 | SpeedEvil | pretty much |
| 18:39.12 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: as long as we can make it _transparent_ (so no apps ever notice... I want to have it wake up after one second if some app did a sleep(1)) it would be great |
| 18:39.23 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
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| 18:42.20 | cesarb | the problem with SLOW is that it changes the clocks for everything... |
| 18:42.54 | cesarb | and the problem with POWEROFF is that we lose the high-res timer (timer4), making wakeups harder |
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| 18:47.19 | cesarb | mwester-laptop: heh |
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| 18:55.21 | duffyd | hi anyone know what the state of palm emulation on the OM is? |
| 18:56.26 | cesarb | hm, if the RTC XTAL is connected, the s3c rtc has a mode where it can generate a tick interrupt with period of 1/64s... and if I'm reading correctly, that can wake up from power_off... but the problem is that we lost the hi-res timer in that mode, and thus it's not transparent anymore |
| 18:56.26 | jorgenpt | Is there any info on the resume-issue with the modem? |
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| 18:57.05 | cesarb | if only we had a wake-up capable hi-res timer which would not power off with the rest |
| 18:57.12 | roh | cesarb also the rtc xtal is gone. the only rtc we kept complete is the one in the pmu |
| 18:57.44 | cesarb | roh: oh well |
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| 18:58.23 | roh | good question. |
| 18:58.38 | roh | but no clue. |
| 18:58.41 | roh | should, yes |
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| 19:14.42 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: did your measurements of IDLE mode agree with the datasheet (i.e. are we really entering that mode)? |
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| 20:15.47 | Witch | I need some pointer again, I searched Google but sis not find a solution there... |
| 20:16.38 | Witch | When I run 'make openmoko-devel-image', bitbake says "bitbake: /usr/bin/env: bad interpreter". |
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| 20:17.46 | Witch | If I check the file, I get: |
| 20:17.51 | Witch | openmoko@openmoko-devel:~/moko$ file /usr/bin/env |
| 20:17.52 | Witch | /usr/bin/env: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/ |
| 20:17.54 | Witch | Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 20:18.12 | Witch | ...end running it gets me a copy of my environment, as I guess I should. |
| 20:18.32 | NineX|moko | /bin/sh: unae: not found |
| 20:18.41 | NineX|moko | Linux fic-gta01 2.6.22.5-moko11 #1 PREEMPT Sun Dec 16 13:34:12 CET 2007 armv4tl unknown |
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| 20:32.44 | cesarb | Witch: don't know if that's your problem, but "bad interpreter" usually means there's a junk \r at the end of the line |
| 20:36.03 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management says IDLE is not implemented, but looking at the kernel code it does seem to be implemented (s3c24xx_default_idle, called as arch_idle from default_idle from the idle loop) |
| 20:36.36 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: either I'm missing some path (that code has too many function pointers), or the wiki is wrong |
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| 20:46.29 | new_bie | Hi all |
| 20:46.52 | gta1973 | ave |
| 20:47.31 | new_bie | while going through Bug 887 . Just thought can that bug be caused because of mmc settling time ? |
| 20:50.13 | mmontour | new_bie: I don't think so - normal boots don't use mmc, just internal NAND flash. |
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| 20:54.44 | Batalyx | is it a known bug in ipkg, that it tries to wget Packages.gz to /tmp/ipkg-????/, but they are in /tmp/ipkg.????/ ? |
| 20:55.47 | new_bie | mmontour : my mistake i thought that bug was bcoz of booting from MMC |
| 20:56.40 | mmontour | No, 799 is the MMC bug. I attached a workaround patch, but it would still be good for someone to investigate and figure out why it didn't work as originally written. |
| 20:57.08 | new_bie | yeah i mixed up both the bugs |
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| 21:19.55 | duffyd | any takers on OM and palm emulation? |
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| 21:21.35 | Stephmw | duffyd: you mean, running Palm apps, or the Palm user experience? |
| 21:22.00 | duffyd | running palm apps |
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| 21:51.48 | mohamed | Hi all |
| 21:52.06 | mohamed | can I change the boot image System_boot.png?? |
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| 22:06.14 | gcb77 | are there any GPS programs available yet that show velocity, direction, plot, etc? |
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| 22:07.56 | NineX | ScaredyCat: can you show me content fo openmoko-agpsui2.bb file? |
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| 22:11.55 | abraxa_ | NineX: Should be the same as http://abraxa.dyndns.org:81/random/openmoko-agpsui2_svn.bb unless he changed it in the meanwhile |
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| 22:46.27 | mohamed | how to use toolchain |
| 22:46.31 | mohamed | ? |
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| 22:57.56 | duffyd | palm emulation - pretty plz? |
| 23:01.37 | NineX | bitbake openmoko-devel-image , making wrong dependecies tree - trye to compile linux-openmoko before u-boot-mkimage-openmoko-native |
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| 23:41.49 | jadams | what's the latest cool news on this front? |
| 23:49.22 | Varox_NB | jadams: wiki ;) |
| 23:50.10 | balrog-kun | shakespeare was a woman |
| 23:50.15 | balrog-kun | err.. |
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