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| 00:48.16 | new_bie | any kernel/u-boot bugs/features to be resolved/added |
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| 01:35.10 | seige | hi |
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| 01:37.22 | seige | is openmoko purely GSM or is there plans on making a CDMA version? |
| 01:38.20 | mmontour | seige: purely GSM |
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| 01:57.08 | raster | moo |
| 01:59.23 | Stephmw | howdy |
| 02:00.43 | JohnMahowald | Well, the neo1973 is gsm. |
| 02:02.10 | raster | and gprs |
| 02:02.56 | seige | sigh |
| 02:03.55 | Stephmw | raster: quick question, any favourite method for alphablending two ARGB8888 values using integer math? |
| 02:04.37 | raster | Stephmw: premul? dest alpha? |
| 02:04.39 | Stephmw | seige: if a CDMA manufacturer picks up OM, sure... CDMA is just so encumbered that it's difficult to argue its case |
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| 02:07.27 | Stephmw | raster: thanks, researching ;) |
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| 02:14.24 | nelson | hrm. Why is ipkg trying to access buildhost.openmoko.org? It's not listed in /etc/ipkg.conf. |
| 02:14.49 | Mek | it is probably listed in one or more files in /etc/ipkg/* |
| 02:20.45 | nelson | Oh! Indeed, yes, thanks. That was .... unexpected. |
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| 03:08.54 | nelson | Okay, I'm confused. The Packages in my feed has the same md5sum as the .ipkg in my feed, and yet ipkg says "Package gnash md5sum mismtach. ..." |
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| 03:20.23 | raster | grrrr |
| 03:20.30 | raster | pcmciautils STILL screws up on build |
| 03:20.31 | nelson | grrrr? |
| 03:20.52 | nelson | y'know, I've ALWAYS hated pcmcia. Shall we form a club? |
| 03:21.03 | raster | hehehehehe |
| 03:21.09 | raster | yes |
| 03:21.19 | raster | it jsut filld 15gb of my disk with build log |
| 03:21.24 | raster | before i caught it |
| 03:21.30 | raster | and killed it off |
| 03:21.40 | nelson | A gig here, a gig there, pretty soon you've got some serious disk. |
| 03:21.50 | raster | no |
| 03:21.55 | raster | this was a single 15g file |
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| 03:33.28 | nelson | argh! I do this: md5sum /var/www/openmoko/armv4t/libsdl-1.2-0_1.2.9-r2_armv4t.ipk |
| 03:33.39 | nelson | and I get this: 6e1f04e0576b090f8070865bdc4742f9 |
| 03:34.06 | nelson | I do this: wget http://192.168.0.201/openmoko/armv4t//libsdl-1.2-0_1.2.9-r2_armv4t.ipk |
| 03:34.20 | nelson | and I get this: 549718f055e987203ac05d7020998945 |
| 03:34.54 | nelson | The files are the same size. |
| 03:35.10 | nelson | So it's not a question of some lame-ass LF -> CRLF conversion. |
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| 03:36.31 | nelson | If I scp the 5497... version of the file back, I get the same md5: 5497... |
| 03:36.53 | SpeedEvil | md5 again? |
| 03:36.57 | SpeedEvil | ,aybe you have cpu probs |
| 03:39.04 | nelson | I looked at the files. For whatever reason, wget it including the HTTP header. |
| 03:39.26 | SpeedEvil | odd. |
| 03:39.40 | nelson | wget bug. |
| 03:40.22 | nelson | which seems to affect ipkg as well. I fully expect that ipkg is just spawning off a wget. |
| 03:41.02 | nelson | <shrug> Not my problem. Somebody else will fix it, I'll rebuild the openmoko image, and I'll have a different bug tomorrow. |
| 03:41.10 | SpeedEvil | Are you sure it's not your webserver? |
| 03:41.33 | nelson | always a possibility |
| 03:41.40 | SpeedEvil | because wget has never done that for me |
| 03:42.19 | nelson | Ha! yep, it's Apache .... now to figure out why. |
| 03:42.43 | nelson | Gives me the same error when I fetch it locally. |
| 03:42.49 | nelson | tnx for the buggestion. |
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| 03:52.47 | nelson | Apache was confused about the file's mime type. |
| 03:53.05 | nelson | Somebody Was Too Helpful(tm) |
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| 06:48.55 | CVirus | I can't wait that long :-( |
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| 07:27.26 | used1 | hmm... I'm a bit confused with bitbake... can anyone shed some light...? |
| 07:27.33 | used1 | question... |
| 07:27.42 | used1 | there are 2 dirs openmoko and openembedded |
| 07:27.59 | used1 | both have packages dir |
| 07:28.19 | used1 | trunk/oe/packages |
| 07:28.28 | used1 | and openembedded/packages |
| 07:28.44 | used1 | what does bitbake do 1st? |
| 07:30.05 | used1 | look in openmoko/trunk/oe/packages or oe? |
| 07:30.48 | used1 | set -x 4 me... |
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| 07:43.58 | intransit | anyone here? |
| 07:44.15 | intransit | hallo... |
| 07:44.18 | intransit | ppl |
| 07:44.22 | josch | well most of us are sleeping atm I think :-) |
| 07:44.29 | intransit | wakeup:) |
| 07:44.40 | intransit | josch help me plz:)... |
| 07:44.48 | intransit | sounds desperate..? |
| 07:44.52 | josch | what is it? |
| 07:45.50 | intransit | how do I compile a simple hello world gtk program? |
| 07:45.54 | intransit | I have the hello.c file |
| 07:45.58 | intransit | I made the bitbake file |
| 07:46.00 | josch | there is a wiki page about this |
| 07:46.03 | intransit | but can't link to gtk/gtk.h |
| 07:46.09 | intransit | where? |
| 07:46.28 | intransit | if it's on the openmoko website it doesn't work 4 me... |
| 07:46.29 | josch | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_a_hello_world_application |
| 07:46.35 | intransit | yep it doesn't work |
| 07:46.43 | intransit | the cross compiling fails 4 me |
| 07:46.58 | intransit | i can bitbake a simple helloworld.c |
| 07:47.08 | intransit | and transfer it to the phone |
| 07:47.16 | intransit | but can't figure out how to include gtk |
| 07:47.20 | josch | well I cannot help you more then this - maybe you look into some other apps how they did it |
| 07:47.20 | intransit | libs |
| 07:47.30 | intransit | yep but bitbake is 2 confusing:) |
| 07:48.24 | josch | but there are like 4000 examples you can learn from |
| 07:48.30 | josch | I also did it this way |
| 07:48.31 | intransit | yep:) |
| 07:48.54 | josch | maybe check back later when everyone is awake here but I did mostly python |
| 07:49.06 | intransit | 1sec... |
| 07:49.17 | intransit | take openmoko-calculator_svn.bb 4 example |
| 07:49.36 | intransit | there are 2 of them ... |
| 07:49.42 | intransit | 1 in openembedded/packages |
| 07:49.52 | intransit | and the other in openmoko/trunk/.... |
| 07:49.58 | intransit | which 1 get's called 1st? |
| 07:50.15 | josch | I think it's the one in openembedded which matters |
| 07:50.26 | intransit | but the sources are in the trunk.... |
| 07:50.31 | josch | but to do your own code you have to create a local overlay anyway |
| 07:50.47 | intransit | can't I just cross compile it? |
| 07:51.21 | josch | you can crosscompile it and just copy it, of course |
| 07:51.25 | intransit | ok |
| 07:51.34 | josch | but also consider using bitbake: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course |
| 07:52.47 | intransit | yep but there the source files is kept in packages/myhelloworld/files |
| 07:53.05 | intransit | I haven't seen that in anyother packages... |
| 07:53.54 | intransit | how would I add gtk to the .bb example ? |
| 07:54.45 | josch | I'd say just by adding some gtk stuff to DEPENDS in your bb file |
| 07:54.59 | intransit | tried gtk+ and it didn't work |
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| 07:57.01 | josch | I'm really sorry intransit but I'm not very into the whole openembedded+bitbake stuff :-( |
| 07:57.34 | intransit | np ... I appriciate u trying 2 help me |
| 07:58.18 | josch | I'd help more if I'd time right now but unfortunately I'm a bit in a hurry :-) |
| 07:58.49 | intransit | don't rush...:) |
| 08:03.00 | intransit | /tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/myhelloworld-1.0-r0/myhelloworld.c:1:21: error: gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory |
| 08:03.10 | intransit | plz it's such a silly holdback 4 me...:) |
| 08:03.12 | intransit | help |
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| 08:05.42 | intransit | where are the $CFLAGS....? |
| 08:08.50 | CoreDump | intransit: the oe tree contains over 4000 examples. I'm pretty sure that a few minutes of grep'ing will show you how to set the flags to your desire ;) |
| 08:09.10 | intransit | CoreDump: what you think I'm doing...:) |
| 08:09.19 | intransit | but I like quick... |
| 08:09.20 | intransit | fast |
| 08:09.46 | intransit | grep -r gtk . >mamamia |
| 08:09.50 | intransit | :) |
| 08:11.09 | CoreDump | wouldn't grepping for "-I" make more sense? |
| 08:11.21 | intransit | it was a joke |
| 08:11.43 | intransit | morning |
| 08:11.52 | CoreDump | heh, morning |
| 08:13.23 | intransit | Sat Dec 15 10:13:27 IST 2007 |
| 08:22.55 | intransit | anyone here? |
| 08:23.11 | intransit | CoreDump? |
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| 08:32.39 | intransit | success:) |
| 08:33.02 | intransit | now for the fun part:) |
| 08:33.54 | rwhitby | morning |
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| 08:35.15 | intransit | SpeedEvil: it's all in your mind... it can take seconds and it can take 4ever...:) |
| 08:35.24 | intransit | in fact is it compiling:)? |
| 08:36.39 | SpeedEvil | 12427 root 25 0 15188 10m 2060 R 84.4 8.6 0:05.10 cc1 |
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| 08:36.49 | Morningsickness | ISLE OF MAN - June 1, 2006 - At a press conference today, Canonical CEO and Free Software spokesnigger Mark Shuttleworth announced the immediate availability of version 6.06 of the Ubuntu Linux distribution. The latest version, known by its code name, "The Diaper Drake," includes special features designed to make Linux easier and more comfortable for niggers the world over. |
| 08:36.50 | Morningsickness | "Niggers have always had trouble understanding new technology," Shuttleworth began. "Computers are no exception. Some people have said this is because niggers are dumb, but I believe the real problem is that technology has traditionally been designed for white people. Ubuntu changes all that. It was developed from the ground up with niggers in mind. It will usher in a whole new era of Afro-ergonomic computing." |
| 08:36.50 | Morningsickness | Shuttleworth presented an overview of some of the features users could expect in the latest version of Ubuntu, including an Ebonics-to-English converter, African "tribal beats" sound and desktop theme, and a collection of rap music and gay pornography, "which of course will be encoded using patent and royalty-free formats," Shuttleworth added, smiling. He proceeded to elaborate, but OpenOffice.org Impress crashed a |
| 08:36.55 | Morningsickness | "But this release isn't just about new features," Shuttleworth said, making a quick segue to the humanitarian and ideological concept behind Ubuntu. "This new version brings black men closer together than ever in the spirit of Ubuntu." Shuttleworth then demonstrated the concept of Ubuntu by getting on his knees and sucking a young black boy's erect penis. |
| 08:37.08 | SpeedEvil | using the gcc ipkg - I'm having some odd problems so I'm trying a native compile |
| 08:37.11 | intransit | 4 niggers:) |
| 08:37.39 | intransit | black devil |
| 08:37.43 | Morningsickness | I want to castrate a niggger and fry his balls before eating them. Then I can fuccck my little niggger biitch faaagg every night. ....Pumpin my dildo til he bleeds. Niggger eunuchs for my muff ohhh yeahh |
| 08:37.56 | intransit | "" |
| 08:38.23 | intransit | NOTE: build 200712151034: completed |
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| 08:42.09 | CoreDump | mickeyl: please assign more operators, this retard is visiting a few times a week... |
| 08:44.05 | Morningsickness | lysol went on in great detail about the planning and execution of this marvelous victory for Gay Niggers everywhere. "It took us about 17 months of hard planning, about $20 USD and a lot of Holy Gay Nigger Seed (HGNS)." President Timecop commented in the same press conference. DiKKy Heartiez was unavailable for comment, but available for display, swimming in a aquarium filled with HGNS. |
| 08:44.18 | Morningsickness | GNAA spokesperson lysol told the world press the real story of the ASSASINATION of TV hero Steve Irwin today at a press conference in Teheran, Iran. "The stingray that sodomized and anally penetrated the world known australian crocodile-fucker, releasing its vast amounts of deadly stingray semen, was in fact not only a nigger, as can be seen quite clearly on the photographs, but a GAY NIGGER. The Gay Nigger DiKKy H |
| 08:44.18 | Morningsickness | The operation took place because Steve Irwin was not the TV hero he was portrayed to be. lysol explained that "Steve irwin was an EVIL man, plotting in secret with the jews to take over the world and eliminate all gay niggers. It was therefore Imparative that we carried out this operation, if not the world would be dominated by Evil Jewish Females, also known as "jax". |
| 08:44.24 | Morningsickness | nigbot |
| 08:44.31 | Morningsickness | mission complete |
| 08:44.35 | Morningsickness | beep timecop |
| 08:44.39 | SpeedEvil | Must bt google. Or apple. |
| 08:44.41 | Morningsickness | beep timecop |
| 08:44.56 | intransit | plotting in secret with the jews to take over the world and eliminate all gay niggers |
| 08:45.31 | intransit | ....:) |
| 08:47.00 | CoreDump | 0 staff members online... |
| 08:47.33 | Morningsickness | they like me too much to kline me |
| 08:57.26 | rwhitby | hmm - he insulted Steve Irwin. Now he's got me mad. |
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| 09:21.46 | NineX | mickeyl: are you online? |
| 09:23.18 | NineX | anyone know how to catch Michael on irc? |
| 09:30.10 | CoreDump | wait until he comes online? |
| 09:30.24 | torpor | yo |
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| 09:47.59 | torpor | whats up with the latest servers? |
| 09:48.09 | torpor | do we get new conf files for the new main public servers or what? |
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| 09:59.56 | mohamed | hi all |
| 10:00.04 | mohamed | is the build host still down? |
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| 10:02.28 | NineX | mohamed: they are workin on new build host |
| 10:04.06 | balrog-kun | new shiny buildhost |
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| 10:05.45 | mohamed | is Google's Android is a competitor for OpenMoko? |
| 10:08.04 | balrog-kun | kindof, they will be a competitor when/if they start shipping something usable |
| 10:08.21 | balrog-kun | that's by own opinion only :p |
| 10:08.28 | balrog-kun | *my |
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| 10:18.22 | PBeck | hi |
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| 11:23.21 | RedDog | Is it correct that openmoko-messages2 only segfaults? I tried many revisions, but all i got was segfault! |
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| 11:47.08 | sni4ok | hi all |
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| 12:21.54 | SpeedEvil | ipkg question - is there a way to find which package provides a file - if I do not have it installed. |
| 12:22.07 | SpeedEvil | specifically math.h |
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| 12:25.39 | pH5 | SpeedEvil: for f in *.ipk; do (ar p $f data.tar.gz | tar tz | grep math.h && echo found in $f); done |
| 12:26.02 | SpeedEvil | I trink that assumes I've got the package. |
| 12:26.21 | pH5 | SpeedEvil: the Packages lists don't include file info for uninstalled packages, so I think there is no way but to search them yourself. |
| 12:26.21 | SpeedEvil | I tried providing the include files for gcc myself by using a slackware package |
| 12:26.30 | pH5 | unless somebody implements a nice web interface on the feed hosts. |
| 12:26.34 | SpeedEvil | header include |
| 12:27.22 | SpeedEvil | however, I've just tracked the problem I've been having down to there being x86 asm in the include filres |
| 12:27.37 | SpeedEvil | whcih cause things to explode at random points. |
| 12:29.31 | balrog-kun | math.h belongs to glibc normally |
| 12:29.37 | balrog-kun | or rather libc |
| 12:30.02 | SpeedEvil | so I'd be looking for *libc*dev ipkg I guess |
| 12:30.15 | balrog-kun | yup, i think so |
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| 12:40.35 | Marcel_M | SpeedEvil: http://celtune.morb-design.com/ipk/armv4t/libc6-dev_2.5-r8_armv4t.ipk contains a math.h |
| 12:42.22 | SpeedEvil | thanks |
| 12:42.40 | Marcel_M | you are welcome |
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| 13:08.01 | SpeedEvil | Thanks - it now compiles stuff it diddn't before, so progress! |
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| 13:51.39 | techindian | hi |
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| 13:54.28 | techindian | why the backtrace function is not working properly in OM |
| 13:54.41 | techindian | it just prints the library name.. |
| 13:55.27 | goxboxlive | If i buy a devboard with the gta01, wil the devboard be compatible with gta02? |
| 13:55.33 | mickeyl | do you have -dbg packages installed? |
| 13:55.34 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 13:55.35 | mickeyl | goxboxlive: yes |
| 13:55.47 | SpeedEvil | future compatibility with GTA03 is not certain though AIUI |
| 13:55.52 | SpeedEvil | GTA03/... |
| 13:56.04 | SpeedEvil | However. |
| 13:56.09 | techindian | dbg of glibc? |
| 13:56.15 | SpeedEvil | Almost nobody needs a debug board for GTA02 |
| 13:56.24 | SpeedEvil | As there is an emergency flash chip |
| 13:56.36 | SpeedEvil | which you can't write without a debug board |
| 13:56.56 | SpeedEvil | you cannot - in theory - screw it up in ways you can't recover - without the aid of a debug board. |
| 13:57.15 | SpeedEvil | and if you have a debug board to screw it up, you presumably have one to recover it |
| 13:57.41 | goxboxlive | SpeedEvil: so you are saying drop the devboard and just buy the phone? |
| 13:57.49 | SpeedEvil | gob: not quite |
| 13:58.03 | SpeedEvil | goxboxlive: for GTA01 - it's handy if you're hacking on uboot |
| 13:58.18 | SpeedEvil | gob: for most users and kernel developers I'd say it's nice, but not needed. |
| 13:58.26 | goxboxlive | But what if i screw things up , can i buy only the debugborad? |
| 13:58.33 | SpeedEvil | goxboxlive: it's basically only needed if you screw up u-boot. |
| 13:58.54 | mickeyl | well |
| 13:59.03 | mickeyl | it improves low level debugging |
| 13:59.13 | mickeyl | since you got that serial port |
| 13:59.29 | goxboxlive | OK, but if i want dualboot (qtopia/openmoko) do i have to do anything with uboot to have it? |
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| 14:00.57 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, no. You can boot any OS using u-boot. |
| 14:01.31 | mickeyl | While I wish Qtopia and OpenMoko would share more of the middleware, they at least share kernel and u-boot right now. |
| 14:01.59 | goxboxlive | ok, i order just the phone then. I saw the gta02 where delayed once again, so i dont want to wait anymore. |
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| 14:04.18 | Mononoke | http://insecure.org/stf/Nmap-4.50-Release.html 10years |
| 14:04.20 | SpeedEvil | Also - you can - worst case - if you do brick your phone - post it to someone else in the area for unbricking, or arrange a visit. |
| 14:04.23 | SpeedEvil | (if there are) |
| 14:07.05 | goxboxlive | I need som help: When i shall choose shipping option. What's the diffrences here: Saver or Worldwide shipping. Saver is most expensive |
| 14:07.08 | mickeyl | let me recommend to buy the debug board now |
| 14:07.15 | mickeyl | it may not be available in the future |
| 14:07.34 | mickeyl | (_may_) |
| 14:07.57 | mickeyl | since gta02 does not need it |
| 14:08.34 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. I was already considering selling them. |
| 14:08.34 | mickeyl | (strictly speaking) |
| 14:08.34 | SpeedEvil | (a clone) |
| 14:08.34 | mickeyl | heh |
| 14:08.39 | ifeel | why does gta02 not need debug board? |
| 14:08.49 | SpeedEvil | because it's got recovery flash |
| 14:08.58 | SpeedEvil | you break it, you recover it from the recovery flash |
| 14:09.10 | ifeel | yeah!...a sort of rescue dick? |
| 14:09.15 | SpeedEvil | though details of that haven't been revealed. |
| 14:09.16 | ifeel | disk.. |
| 14:09.23 | SpeedEvil | basically, yes. |
| 14:09.27 | ifeel | so good! |
| 14:09.38 | goxboxlive | mickeyl: ok, i'll do that. |
| 14:09.56 | ifeel | great job guys...keep rocking! |
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| 14:12.04 | goxboxlive | done, a adv. gta01 is orderd. :-) |
| 14:12.50 | SpeedEvil | what's teh current buy-ship delay? |
| 14:14.52 | mickeyl | got mine last month within 4 days (yes, I ordered a gta01... don't ask) |
| 14:15.42 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 14:16.06 | SpeedEvil | I suspect you were less surprised than most as to the quality of the screen :) |
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| 14:16.46 | mickeyl | yeah, i was spoiled a bit by preproduction models ;) |
| 14:17.00 | mickeyl | i noticed a new feature though |
| 14:17.05 | mickeyl | the Neo1973 has bluetooth! |
| 14:17.09 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 14:17.24 | goxboxlive | SpeedEvil: WHat about the quality, isent it as good anymore? I thought the screen where outstanding |
| 14:17.57 | SpeedEvil | I'm planning on 'properly' adding bluetooth to my laptop soon. (internal USB2 hub, cut-off-short PCMCIA USB card, ...) |
| 14:18.09 | SpeedEvil | goxboxlive: most people are astounded as to the 'real' quality of it. |
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| 14:19.08 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 14:19.30 | SpeedEvil | Just as nobody (typically) has seen a 300dpi screen |
| 14:20.04 | cjb_ie | wow, i thought my treo was a bit silly with 200ish dpi |
| 14:20.14 | buz_ | i was a bit worried about dropping it |
| 14:20.18 | SpeedEvil | well - 285 |
| 14:20.18 | buz_ | it's rather heavy for aphone |
| 14:22.27 | SpeedEvil | ofdd - swapoff -a doesn't seem to work... |
| 14:25.07 | SpeedEvil | (In that I mkswapped a file on an ext2 /media/card, swapon'd, then swapoff -a'd and deleted the file. |
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| 14:25.34 | SpeedEvil | when I came to copy stuff to the card, I found the space still in use, and /proc/swaps listing the deleted fiel as in use |
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| 14:40.17 | phlintphour | is the buildhost down? |
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| 14:42.19 | ahven | yes |
| 14:46.32 | raster | yay! down! |
| 14:46.33 | raster | :) |
| 14:47.52 | xcasex | raster: down? |
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| 14:48.13 | raster | doooooooooown |
| 14:48.15 | roh | hey raster |
| 14:48.57 | roh | phlintphour it died and got replaced by buildhost-migration, which will be renamed to buildhost soon |
| 14:50.42 | raster | roh: hoi hoi |
| 14:50.43 | raster | :) |
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| 14:56.50 | phlintphour | ok thanks, jsut wanted to make sure |
| 14:57.11 | phlintphour | my school has been blocking all kinds of site lately and jsut wante dot make sure this wasnt the latest block |
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| 15:04.01 | KrisAbsinthe | anyone else have a problem with sound not working with the newest image? |
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| 15:08.03 | SpeedEvil | Could anyone remind me where the kernel patches to go from stock 2.6.23 to working OM kernel are? |
| 15:09.37 | KrisAbsinthe | "https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/" |
| 15:09.48 | SpeedEvil | ah - thansk1 |
| 15:13.36 | KrisAbsinthe | Whats the status of the GSM firmware user util for the GTA01? |
| 15:13.48 | SpeedEvil | KrisAbsinthe: to be released |
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| 15:13.51 | SpeedEvil | or ratehr |
| 15:13.57 | SpeedEvil | the status is undecixded |
| 15:14.19 | SpeedEvil | the tool works, there are 'just' legal problems |
| 15:14.33 | KrisAbsinthe | As usual. |
| 15:15.28 | KrisAbsinthe | Laws have been holding back technology for twenty years. im sure they always will |
| 15:15.59 | KrisAbsinthe | lol |
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| 15:16.09 | SpeedEvil | (not that they have anything to do with it in this particular case, just on general principles) |
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| 15:16.14 | xcasex | KrisAbsinthe: depends. itll keep holding corproations and organisations and the people back as long as everyone behave like sheep. |
| 15:16.34 | xcasex | now if peoplerealised that a law with no solid gound with the people isnt much of a law |
| 15:16.44 | SpeedEvil | unless you have siezable assets. |
| 15:16.57 | xcasex | SpeedEvil: feel free to stab those fuckers anytime, especially nelsons friend esr |
| 15:17.11 | KrisAbsinthe | i like how you think |
| 15:17.11 | SpeedEvil | If you're a large corporate, you can't skirt many laws. |
| 15:17.39 | xcasex | sometimes it isnt just about the money. sometimes you can wrangle yourself out of mostly anything. |
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| 15:18.49 | KrisAbsinthe | I think that the states need to play catch-up with europe anyway, I wouldnt be im this GSM mess if it werent for old ass technology |
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| 15:37.24 | SpeedEvil | Anyone have bets on time for a kernel to build natively? |
| 15:37.35 | SpeedEvil | I'm thinking somewhere around 3-4h. |
| 15:38.03 | mjr | 6 |
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| 15:38.28 | KrisAbsinthe | depends on if you did the 266 jump or not. but im sure your estimate is about right |
| 15:38.37 | SpeedEvil | stock |
| 15:38.43 | SpeedEvil | not overclocked :) |
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| 15:39.13 | xcasex | omap is sw oc'd, arm is unpossible to sw oc right? |
| 15:39.15 | xcasex | CM: ding ding |
| 15:39.21 | SpeedEvil | xcasex: no |
| 15:39.35 | SpeedEvil | xcasex: there are PLL registers that can be tweaked to make it go faster |
| 15:39.38 | KrisAbsinthe | what ipkg did you get for dev tools, when i try i get massive errors durring compilation |
| 15:39.47 | SpeedEvil | KrisAbsinthe: basically. |
| 15:40.10 | SpeedEvil | KrisAbsinthe: follow the instructions in the wiki to add repositories |
| 15:40.22 | SpeedEvil | the instructions at the bottom of the Repositories]] page |
| 15:40.23 | SpeedEvil | then |
| 15:40.37 | SpeedEvil | install anything matching *ompile* |
| 15:40.38 | xcasex | SpeedEvil: o rly? |
| 15:40.55 | SpeedEvil | then force-remove libc6-dev and force-add |
| 15:41.02 | SpeedEvil | (it may have been corrupted in my case) |
| 15:41.35 | SpeedEvil | you of course need to put stuff on a card or NFS |
| 15:41.36 | KrisAbsinthe | cool. Im porting blackbox. |
| 15:41.47 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.20 | SpeedEvil | dunno if it's working - but root@fic-gta01:/media/card/src/linux-2.6.23$ find . -name "*.o"|wc |
| 15:42.20 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:43.41 | SpeedEvil | also I installed binutils, diffutils |
| 15:44.08 | KrisAbsinthe | i dont like the way SD is used, I *should* be able to run kernel from nand and just change my path to reflect /media/card/, right |
| 15:44.31 | SpeedEvil | It's not quite that simple - but yes you can. |
| 15:45.42 | KrisAbsinthe | i can boot from SD but I have to use the aux menu in u-boot. in fact my phone will not boot from nand unless i use the aux menu and select boot. Otherwise it will juist freeze on the OM screen |
| 15:46.15 | ahven | that's usual with the last u-boots :P |
| 15:46.35 | KrisAbsinthe | ah thx |
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| 15:46.47 | ahven | since august, if I remember |
| 15:47.57 | KrisAbsinthe | well then, a minor problem, I like being able to communicate with the GSM chip in u-boot. I will deal with that |
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| 16:34.41 | KrisAbsinthe | wife had windows machine hooked up. HAD to switch |
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| 17:42.17 | SpeedEvil | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3716844 Dec 15 16:49 zImage |
| 17:42.18 | SpeedEvil | root@fic-gta01:/media/card/src/linux-2.6.23/arch/arm/boot$ |
| 17:42.21 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 17:43.11 | KrisAbsinthe | that was not to bad lol |
| 17:43.44 | SpeedEvil | indeed - that's what - an hour and a half? |
| 17:44.20 | KrisAbsinthe | yeah, when i started using linux it took my desktop that long, damn 8086's |
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| 17:45.06 | SpeedEvil | 1h 2 min CPU |
| 17:45.13 | SpeedEvil | 1h 16min realtime |
| 17:45.26 | KrisAbsinthe | kinda good time really |
| 17:45.31 | derekcorwin | I dont even know what a 8086 is |
| 17:45.32 | SpeedEvil | that's quite reasonable. |
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| 17:45.50 | SpeedEvil | 8086 was the chip in the first PCs, clocked at 4.77Mhz |
| 17:46.09 | SpeedEvil | It was about the equivalent of a modern processor clocked at .2Mhz |
| 17:46.10 | KrisAbsinthe | good for undernet and gopher chat lol |
| 17:46.16 | derekcorwin | my first computer was a 486 without the co processor... |
| 17:46.23 | Mononoke | 8086 is evil curse on processors |
| 17:46.37 | KrisAbsinthe | i miss the old BBS days sometimes though |
| 17:46.41 | SpeedEvil | nothing wrong with the 8086. |
| 17:47.00 | Mononoke | it all started around it >.> |
| 17:47.07 | SpeedEvil | As a basis for a more complex processor - well, it's not great. |
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| 17:47.31 | SpeedEvil | But nowhere in their wildedst dreams would the IBM team have believed 10 billion PCs sold. |
| 17:47.34 | SpeedEvil | (guess) |
| 17:47.46 | derekcorwin | geeze.. bbs people.. how did I miss IRC all my life? |
| 17:48.38 | KrisAbsinthe | lol. before the internet was affordable BBS was a way to tunnel for $20 a year lol |
| 17:49.18 | derekcorwin | where did you BBS? |
| 17:49.23 | SpeedEvil | CIX - uk - but they diddn't start out with an internet gateway |
| 17:49.46 | KrisAbsinthe | Chatnet was a great BBS and Chashire , Ohio |
| 17:50.11 | derekcorwin | telenet was cool.. |
| 17:50.35 | KrisAbsinthe | there used to be a big list on all the BBSes of all the other ops in the area |
| 17:50.58 | KrisAbsinthe | the days when hacking was still a "Socially acceptable" word |
| 17:51.05 | derekcorwin | hahah |
| 17:51.08 | SpeedEvil | I think prolly 119 |
| 17:51.09 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 17:51.16 | SpeedEvil | I think prolly 1991 |
| 17:51.24 | SpeedEvil | usenet first |
| 17:51.29 | SpeedEvil | (leading to >100K posts) |
| 17:51.37 | derekcorwin | I think I was like 11 |
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| 17:52.02 | KrisAbsinthe | Internet was expensive then, now i get 100 times the bandwidth for half the cost lol |
| 17:52.19 | SpeedEvil | I have had 600 quid quarterly phone bills. |
| 17:52.26 | SpeedEvil | 1995 ish |
| 17:52.31 | SpeedEvil | that was what... |
| 17:52.34 | derekcorwin | I remember wanting to know how to hack to crash AOL 3.1 |
| 17:52.38 | SpeedEvil | $1200? |
| 17:53.19 | KrisAbsinthe | I remember how to mkake an OH account on AOL lol dont work anymore but was fun then |
| 17:54.10 | derekcorwin | Alright I love to chat but I gotta Openmoko question... |
| 17:54.20 | derekcorwin | :) |
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| 17:56.02 | KrisAbsinthe | go ahead |
| 17:56.21 | SpeedEvil | I thinmkk my first usenet post was jan 1991 |
| 17:56.34 | SpeedEvil | (not on OM) |
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| 17:57.19 | derekcorwin | Alright... I am haveing problems getting the device to connect to the interent through the computer |
| 17:57.37 | KrisAbsinthe | BT or USB |
| 17:57.50 | derekcorwin | SUB |
| 17:57.51 | derekcorwin | USB |
| 17:57.55 | KrisAbsinthe | Win or Linux |
| 17:58.02 | derekcorwin | Linux.. Ubunut |
| 17:58.13 | KrisAbsinthe | its on my desktop. |
| 17:58.30 | derekcorwin | no |
| 17:58.31 | derekcorwin | ? |
| 17:58.57 | KrisAbsinthe | Ubuntu, its on my desktop. give me a second to type out directions |
| 17:59.06 | _diego__ | have u looked on wiki.openmoko.org? |
| 17:59.23 | derekcorwin | yea... I can ssh in... but no interent acess.. |
| 17:59.31 | derekcorwin | with update |
| 18:00.17 | KrisAbsinthe | you have to setup the route on the desktop and edit your MOKO/etc/resolv.conf and add the nameserver |
| 18:01.12 | KrisAbsinthe | if you have a linksys router its probably 192.168.1.1 for the nameserver |
| 18:01.20 | derekcorwin | Okay.. I have tryed all of this, but I did something stupid like try to plug up 2 monitors, and crashed my system... so maybe I am come to you guys prematurly... |
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| 18:01.35 | derekcorwin | its a netgear, and is still 192.168.1.1 |
| 18:02.05 | derekcorwin | I had to format and reinstall cause I am a noob :) |
| 18:02.26 | KrisAbsinthe | everyone has to start somewhere |
| 18:03.07 | derekcorwin | I used to like slackware, but ubuntu is soo user friendly |
| 18:03.17 | KrisAbsinthe | ssh to the moko and try to ping your router . if you can its the nameserver, which over writes its self every time |
| 18:03.34 | KrisAbsinthe | Ubuntu has a good module(driver) base |
| 18:04.14 | KrisAbsinthe | i like debian and Ubuntu is based on it, siI like it |
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| 18:05.37 | Mononoke | KrisAbsinthe: wha? |
| 18:05.43 | KrisAbsinthe | * so I like it |
| 18:09.50 | derekcorwin | how do I edit files on the neo? |
| 18:09.57 | KrisAbsinthe | vi |
| 18:10.15 | abraxa__ | derekcorwin: ipkg install nano ;) |
| 18:10.21 | KrisAbsinthe | do you know how to use vi |
| 18:10.31 | KrisAbsinthe | nano is good too |
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| 18:21.41 | derekcorwin | okay save and exit vi? |
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| 18:24.35 | gi-el | derekcorwin: :wq |
| 18:25.03 | gi-el | or shift-z twice |
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| 18:33.18 | KrisAbsinthe | I think adding a RS232 cable to the neo would be cool |
| 18:34.01 | ahven | why? :) |
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| 18:34.53 | KrisAbsinthe | be fun for interfacing with hardware like switches and satellite hardware |
| 18:35.02 | SpeedEvil | there is USB host |
| 18:35.10 | SpeedEvil | attach a usb-serial thingy |
| 18:35.59 | KrisAbsinthe | have to make a cable for the mini-usb, I wish it were a standard USB female |
| 18:37.29 | KrisAbsinthe | i did make a hub that will attach but its annoying , maybe if the case spacers ever happen ill buy a few |
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| 18:45.11 | balrog-kun | you would need a very long cable to interface with a satellite over RS232 |
| 18:45.35 | mwester | :P |
| 18:45.39 | KrisAbsinthe | lol |
| 18:46.07 | mwester | methinks it would exceed the max spec'd distance, even with external line drivers. |
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| 18:46.20 | KrisAbsinthe | i mesnt the uplink hardware lol |
| 18:46.28 | mwester | Hmmm... I wonder if you could try to use RF instead? |
| 18:46.30 | mwester | :P |
| 18:47.18 | mwester | KrisAbsinthe: check out the Bluetooth serial port adaptors. Probably the best solution, if a little pricey. |
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| 18:47.39 | KrisAbsinthe | thats a good idea |
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| 18:49.52 | KrisAbsinthe | $135 isnt too bad |
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| 18:52.00 | KrisAbsinthe | I think im going to have to buy the GTA02 too |
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| 18:58.33 | KrisAbsinthe | Ok i have the Neo apart, what is with this weird antenna i assume its the GSM, |
| 19:00.39 | ahven | CoreDump: no debug for GTA02, has builtin recoveryflash |
| 19:01.11 | ahven | atleast I understood this from todays conversation |
| 19:01.32 | CoreDump | That doesn't mean an existing board can't be used with it ;) But why are you telling me this? |
| 19:01.35 | mmontour | KrisAbsinthe: the antenna at the top is GPS |
| 19:01.48 | KrisAbsinthe | ah |
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| 19:02.01 | KrisAbsinthe | one at bottom is gsm then |
| 19:02.14 | CoreDump | ahven: I get it, nm....I'm tired |
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| 19:03.37 | KrisAbsinthe | the PCB is labeled very well |
| 19:07.21 | CoreDump | screw the devel kit, I just want the sexy suitcase =D |
| 19:07.35 | KrisAbsinthe | I agree lol |
| 19:08.16 | CoreDump | http://openmoko.com/products-neo-advanced-00-develkit.html |
| 19:09.04 | CoreDump | you actually have one? heh |
| 19:09.43 | mwester | I do. The case is not shaped very well for fitting into carry-on bags for my business trips, so it goes unused. |
| 19:10.43 | mwester | I didn't think there would be a market for an empty case, but perhaps I should consider listing it on eBay, huh? :D :D |
| 19:11.00 | KrisAbsinthe | i would bid |
| 19:11.16 | CoreDump | =D |
| 19:11.39 | mwester | I rather suspect that the size of the item would make shipping prohibitively expensive, esp. for CoreDump |
| 19:11.52 | CoreDump | yes, figures |
| 19:11.56 | KrisAbsinthe | I regret not buying the dev kit, hindsight is 20/20 |
| 19:12.05 | mwester | It's been a lifesaver for me. |
| 19:12.13 | CoreDump | I guess I can live w/o it ;) |
| 19:12.30 | KrisAbsinthe | whats your location |
| 19:12.41 | mwester | By purchasing it, I have guaranteed that I will never need to use it. Murphy's law. So I've never actually even tested the debug board! :) |
| 19:12.57 | mwester | Midwest US |
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| 19:13.09 | SpeedEvil | any 199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x003e 200 198 000 Old_age Always - 2 |
| 19:13.11 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 19:13.21 | mwester | ? |
| 19:13.22 | CoreDump | mwester: lol, I fubared my u-boot on the very first flash =D |
| 19:13.49 | KrisAbsinthe | I loaded U-boot over USB, glad i didnt mess up |
| 19:13.52 | mwester | Heh! Since I have the debug board, it figures that I've flashed and reflashed a half-dozen uboots, with never a failure! |
| 19:14.18 | CoreDump | very true |
| 19:14.33 | CoreDump | I never managed to kill u-boot after that |
| 19:15.01 | CoreDump | but hooking up the debug board and a neo to a slug is pure fun |
| 19:15.28 | mwester | I'd like to start fixing some of the screwed up stuff in u-boot (there isn't a version that fixes all of the issues, instead there are different versions that each fix something, and screw up something else). |
| 19:15.57 | ecloud | anybody aware of any plans to replace sysVinit? |
| 19:16.02 | KrisAbsinthe | I think i will probably get the gta02 with the dev kit this time, will the debug boards br compatable? |
| 19:17.05 | KrisAbsinthe | I think we need to kill D-bus, i have had a few problems with it |
| 19:17.10 | mwester | Hehe! There's an image for you: imagine a laptop, a slug, a debug board, and neo all cabled together on a hotel room desk. Imagine the maid's reaction -- how long until the bomb squad arrives, and I end up visiting a special little spot near Cuba? |
| 19:17.35 | mmontour | mwester: actually, a current u-boot is looking pretty good. I found a workaround for the SD-boot problem, and it looks like the "hang on boot" problem is gone too |
| 19:17.37 | ecloud | gllin may need some monitoring... restart it if the output doesn't look right, or if it just quits |
| 19:17.41 | mwester | ecloud: No plans currently; it would be nice to make stuff work fist. |
| 19:17.46 | mwester | er, first. |
| 19:17.52 | ecloud | so I was thinking, some of the other inits can do stuff like that |
| 19:17.55 | CoreDump | mwester: HEHEHE |
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| 19:18.23 | ecloud | KrisAbsinthe: D-bus seems cool to me |
| 19:19.16 | mwester | ecloud: Nobody has looked at a specific replacement. It seems reasonable that the startup stuff should be optimized better, but once we get power-management fixed up, the phone will be resumed rather than booted. |
| 19:19.21 | KrisAbsinthe | im using OM base but replaced with matchbox-desktop and there were a few problems getting the dialer to work, quick script fix but it was annoying |
| 19:19.32 | ecloud | yeah good point |
| 19:19.39 | mwester | D-bus is here to stay. |
| 19:19.49 | ecloud | good |
| 19:20.09 | mwester | mmontour: That's great news on u-boot -- the hang was the blocking problem I had that made me revert to an older version. |
| 19:20.13 | KrisAbsinthe | I like the Idea of d-bus , maybe i just need to get used to the API |
| 19:20.33 | ecloud | because there is a d-bus interface to gpsd, so I was thinking of using it, if it's usable |
| 19:20.52 | ecloud | depends on whether I figure out how to use d-bus well enough :-) |
| 19:20.54 | mwester | That's the neat thing about standards like Dbus -- if you don't like the api, just pick another one! |
| 19:21.01 | ecloud | the C API is kinda verbose |
| 19:21.08 | mmontour | I'm not 100% sure about the hang - I need to do some more testing. |
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| 19:21.49 | ecloud | well in the absense of a magic daemon-monitoring init, any suggestions what to use to monitor gllin? |
| 19:22.02 | KrisAbsinthe | I think what i dig the most is that i can ask engineers questions and get REAL answers |
| 19:22.17 | ecloud | my first experience was that it wasn't quite stable |
| 19:22.29 | ecloud | but last night I left it running all night and it still is, so we'll see... |
| 19:22.39 | KrisAbsinthe | I just need to lean python better |
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| 19:22.48 | mwester | gllin stable? We're just happy we have something that makes the GPS hardware do something other than add mass to the device! |
| 19:23.04 | ecloud | I'm going to try to use the phone to capture traces for uploading to OpenStreetMap |
| 19:23.24 | ecloud | I kinda got hooked on that project, but it's too bad in one way... I have too many projects |
| 19:23.39 | KrisAbsinthe | gllin works great, i posted on the wiki about exporting gps to laptop.. i get a fix in about 30 seconds, i live in the middle of no where |
| 19:23.51 | mwester | ecloud: is it still giving you valid data? I've had a recent situation where it stayed running, but was spewing out the same datapoint -- which didn't make sense as I was driving 70MPH on an expressway at the time. |
| 19:24.02 | ecloud | my old Garmin omits points from the track that it considers redundant (whenever they look like they are all in a straight line) |
| 19:24.41 | mwester | Northern Wisconsin -- not too much straight line there (unlike Kansas) |
| 19:24.45 | ecloud | yes I had it building an NMEA log file overnight (gpspipe -r > file) and this morning I converted it to GPX and plotted the points with JOSM |
| 19:25.15 | CVirus | I want my GTA02v5 NOW |
| 19:25.23 | mwester | Ok, then perhaps my script screwed up, or something. I'll try the gllin driver on the next trip. |
| 19:25.37 | ecloud | it's quite an error cloud, pretty much covers my entire house and yard, from beyond the street in front to beyond the street/alley behind |
| 19:26.00 | SpeedEvil | is it inside? |
| 19:26.06 | ecloud | I mean it should have been giving the same point all night, sitting in the same place |
| 19:26.07 | KrisAbsinthe | if you need data give me an IP to export to and ill export my GPS to that IP |
| 19:26.16 | CVirus | LOL @ mwester |
| 19:26.23 | ecloud | yes it's inside, but the roof in this room is flat (just one layer) so it gets a fix fairly quickly |
| 19:26.34 | CVirus | mwester: by the way ... it's much better to learn python + python-dbus + pygtk |
| 19:26.53 | ecloud | pyroute runs very, very, very slowly |
| 19:27.05 | mwester | CVirus: Yes, I know that. Which is exactly why I want to do something completely different. :P :D |
| 19:27.13 | SpeedEvil | ecloud: in theory - if the reciever was completely accurate. |
| 19:27.14 | ecloud | so my impression of pygtk isn't too great... but hey maybe it's just doing a lot of... something |
| 19:27.17 | derekcorwin | An error ocurred, return value: 1. |
| 19:27.17 | derekcorwin | Collected errors: |
| 19:27.17 | derekcorwin | ipkg_download: ERROR: Command failed with return value 1: `wget --passive-ftp -q -P /tmp/ipkg-hBN1cD http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/ipk/neo1973/Packages.gz' |
| 19:27.23 | SpeedEvil | ecloud: in practice - it doesn't stay where it is. |
| 19:27.34 | ecloud | I know |
| 19:27.36 | CVirus | mwester: you could learn python in 10 minutes by the way |
| 19:27.54 | ecloud | but GPS receivers usually have an accuracy spec |
| 19:27.57 | mwester | I could, but my fingers recoil in horror at the column sensitivity. |
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| 19:28.05 | ecloud | like a SirfStarIII is accurate to 3 meters or some such |
| 19:28.08 | mwester | I think they remember FORTRAN. |
| 19:28.35 | philippe | ecloud: which gives you a circle of about 6m diameter... |
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| 19:28.51 | philippe | and the one in the openmoko probably is less precise |
| 19:28.59 | ecloud | probably |
| 19:29.00 | xcasex | i do cobol from time to time, and rpg ;_; |
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| 19:29.28 | xcasex | ;_; |
| 19:29.34 | xcasex | my fingers are stumps |
| 19:29.37 | ecloud | my old Garmin usually says it's accurate to a distance of 15-28 feet or so depending on how many satellites it's using and how good a signal it gets |
| 19:29.54 | Twey | Sorry, but... highly unlucky :-) |
| 19:30.13 | xcasex | so gpsd needs gllin to work? |
| 19:30.29 | xcasex | mwester: my sincerest apologies. |
| 19:30.34 | KrisAbsinthe | you realy dont need gpsd , i dont use it |
| 19:30.54 | philippe | ecloud: which is worst case a circle of 16m of drift around your location overnight |
| 19:30.57 | xcasex | mwester: we have an old bigiron greybeard at work, all he does is rpg for one of our larger clients |
| 19:31.05 | xcasex | KrisAbsinthe: what do you use? :D |
| 19:31.07 | mwester | Poor guy :( |
| 19:31.12 | SpeedEvil | http://www.openstreetmap.org/index.html?mlat=56.21681291128355&mlon=-3.112151350212658&zoom=14 is an example of splatter. |
| 19:31.23 | xcasex | mwester: i dont think he knows its not 1964 yet :S |
| 19:31.26 | philippe | ecloud: sounds consistent with your gps info drifting all around your garden |
| 19:31.46 | KrisAbsinthe | kust gllin the serial NMEA data is /home/gllin/nmeaNP |
| 19:31.48 | SpeedEvil | some neo, some car navigation system, some garming GPS12 |
| 19:32.07 | SpeedEvil | (a JOSM bookmark - you won't see any GPS info at that directly) |
| 19:32.18 | KrisAbsinthe | gpsdrive uses it as a serial port |
| 19:32.18 | xcasex | KrisAbsinthe: and we can feed the data to ... wait. it doesnt provide its own /dev entry? |
| 19:32.24 | xcasex | o.O |
| 19:32.26 | xcasex | O.o |
| 19:32.29 | KrisAbsinthe | no |
| 19:32.31 | ecloud | xcasex: yes |
| 19:32.32 | xcasex | wait. gllin is chrooted? |
| 19:32.36 | KrisAbsinthe | does it |
| 19:32.36 | KrisAbsinthe | ? |
| 19:33.00 | xcasex | what the c**k |
| 19:33.08 | KrisAbsinthe | but yes feed that data as the GPS device |
| 19:33.12 | ecloud | I was just going to upload my "splatter" image but just discovered my wiki has uploads disabled for some reason |
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| 19:33.43 | xcasex | i wonder how hard maemo would be to port to the moko |
| 19:33.46 | KrisAbsinthe | read this wiki.openmoko.com/Exporting_Hardware |
| 19:34.12 | KrisAbsinthe | I wrote how to export hardware to a host IP |
| 19:34.12 | SpeedEvil | Mek: so make an account on OSM and upload the tracklog |
| 19:34.23 | mmontour | The OM gllin package isn't chrooted - it just does some dynamic-loader magic |
| 19:34.36 | xcasex | mmontour: k. |
| 19:34.41 | xcasex | but where can i get that package? |
| 19:34.50 | xcasex | KrisAbsinthe: err give me an url that works and i'll gladly read it :D |
| 19:35.01 | KrisAbsinthe | brb |
| 19:35.31 | SpeedEvil | (4/5) /20 |
| 19:35.32 | KrisAbsinthe | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Exporting_hardware |
| 19:36.11 | KrisAbsinthe | I like using my gps over bluetooth. |
| 19:36.36 | mmontour | I don't remember the URL for the gllin package, but it should be linked from the wiki. You have to accept a EULA to download it. |
| 19:36.50 | ecloud | ok here it is: |
| 19:36.52 | ecloud | http://ecloud.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=201 |
| 19:37.17 | KrisAbsinthe | http://3rdparty.downloads.openmoko.org/gllin/ |
| 19:38.51 | ecloud | oops just moved it: http://ecloud.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=199 |
| 19:39.02 | KrisAbsinthe | the best part about the gllin driver is that you can make the gps lie lol |
| 19:39.22 | xcasex | Ty |
| 19:40.11 | KrisAbsinthe | np |
| 19:41.09 | KrisAbsinthe | if you write scripts to do this for you dont forget to include the & after every line |
| 19:41.33 | xcasex | i dont think i'll have to worry about that :) |
| 19:41.45 | KrisAbsinthe | cool |
| 19:41.50 | xcasex | KrisAbsinthe: i was at a point in time a user of SLS :p |
| 19:42.11 | KrisAbsinthe | Nice |
| 19:44.31 | ecloud | well anyway what about a way to monitor gllin? |
| 19:44.42 | ecloud | some sort of generic watchdog |
| 19:45.36 | KrisAbsinthe | i got nothing , a guess a quick dont-let-die script will work |
| 19:45.42 | ecloud | I searched freshmeat for "watchdog" and all I found are the kind that reboot the whole system under various conditions |
| 19:45.51 | KrisAbsinthe | if thats what you mean |
| 19:46.14 | ecloud | like write the pid to a file and then use pidof in a loop to see if it's still running? |
| 19:46.57 | KrisAbsinthe | that would work. I had my gps running 3 days no problem |
| 19:47.08 | ecloud | nah pidof doesn't work too well because the command line is too complex |
| 19:47.14 | ecloud | [fic-gta01][01:19:20 AM] ps aux | grep gllin |
| 19:47.14 | ecloud | root 1427 9.0 2.6 5188 3296 pts/1 S 01:55 58:36 lib/ld-linux.so.2 --library-path /home/root/gllin/lib:/home/root/gllin/usr/lib /home/root/gllin/gllin.real -periodic 1 |
| 19:47.41 | cesarb | rwhitby: just created a patch to mokomakefile to not checkout or update tags/branches: http://www.pastebin.ca/817660 |
| 19:48.01 | KrisAbsinthe | ecloud: does that work? |
| 19:48.15 | cesarb | rwhitby: I designed it carefully so as to not break anything (it keeps the same directories, and can work either on a new checkout or an old one) |
| 19:49.09 | ecloud | does what work? |
| 19:49.13 | ecloud | pidof doesn't work |
| 19:49.22 | ecloud | ps --no-headers 1427 works |
| 19:49.39 | ecloud | then I'd have to check whether ps produced output or not |
| 19:50.24 | ecloud | er, just check whether /proc/1427 still exists, huh |
| 19:51.08 | KrisAbsinthe | that is much less complex. good idea |
| 19:51.52 | ecloud | well I guess I'll put it off until I see whether it's going to stay running on its own |
| 19:52.18 | ecloud | going "off in the weeds" is harder to detect |
| 19:52.43 | KrisAbsinthe | ill put mine under some problems, ESD bags kill the signal lol |
| 19:52.53 | NineX | damn |
| 19:53.11 | NineX | i can't compile openmoko-bowser2 |
| 19:53.26 | ecloud | bowser goes "woof" |
| 19:53.41 | xcasex | lol |
| 19:53.50 | NineX | webkitwebview.h missing ? , when i copied file from webkit package, i have lot errors |
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| 19:53.57 | NineX | ecloud: what you mean? |
| 19:54.09 | ecloud | (bowser... typical name for dog... just kidding) |
| 19:54.11 | NineX | "woof" - explain |
| 19:54.24 | NineX | s/bowser/browser/ |
| 19:54.52 | KrisAbsinthe | why compile and not ipkg |
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| 20:12.09 | KrisAbsinthe | we do need to port GPSDrive or something similar |
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| 20:37.35 | KrisAbsinthe | any bets on how long it will take to download roadnav data for the entire USA |
| 20:39.32 | SpeedEvil | from where? |
| 20:40.13 | KrisAbsinthe | TigerMaps. im in ohio so far between 1 and 3 megs a county |
| 20:40.34 | SpeedEvil | a very long time |
| 20:42.25 | KrisAbsinthe | i assume it will be at least a gig |
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| 21:02.19 | NineX | KrisAbsinthe: i building my own snapshot |
| 21:03.06 | KrisAbsinthe | ah |
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| 21:10.48 | KrisAbsinthe | i have a sound issue with the latest official snapshot |
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| 21:11.24 | KrisAbsinthe | well i guess its really a module issue, says incorrect module fprmat |
| 21:11.31 | KrisAbsinthe | *format |
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| 22:06.46 | ecloud | just went for a drive around the neighborhood and got a nice trace of all the streets |
| 22:06.51 | ecloud | http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ecloud/traces/58884 |
| 22:06.59 | ecloud | with the Neo GPS |
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| 22:08.00 | CM | ecloud: cool :) |
| 22:08.29 | bkruse_home | hey guys, im trying to cross-compile a program for the moko, where do I go to start about doing this? (linkage?) |
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| 22:11.41 | emdete | bkruse_home: build a recipe? a bitbake .bb? |
| 22:12.09 | bkruse_home | emdete: would that be the way to go about doing it? a program that is normally compiled for i386, can you give me a link? |
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| 22:13.45 | emdete | there are 2 wikis about that. is it a own program or some open source project with some build env? |
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| 22:15.49 | bkruse_home | its someones open source project, a library actually, that I am using |
| 22:16.02 | bkruse_home | emdete: thank you, btw |
| 22:16.03 | emdete | yes, build a .bb for it. |
| 22:16.19 | emdete | there is a wiki - did you find it already? |
| 22:16.57 | bkruse_home | nah, googleing |
| 22:17.01 | bkruse_home | using bitbake in general? |
| 22:17.04 | bkruse_home | or bb with om |
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| 22:18.25 | emdete | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Create_a_package_from_existing_sources |
| 22:19.00 | emdete | bkruse_home: yes, bitbake is it. it seems to be quit complex but its a good tool for cross compiling and for different envs. |
| 22:19.04 | bkruse_home | I might have been able to guess that url, thank you emdete |
| 22:19.22 | bkruse_home | perfect, thank you so so much |
| 22:19.33 | NineX | where i found webkit correct headers? openmoko-browser2 are not compile due some headers missing |
| 22:20.32 | emdete | there is another interesting hint mickey gave me. if you have to tamper around (for porting) with your lib use bitbake -c devshell <project> . that drops you into a xterm with correct env vars. |
| 22:21.13 | bkruse_home | wow |
| 22:21.21 | bkruse_home | then you can just go about building like normal? |
| 22:21.22 | bkruse_home | amazing |
| 22:24.15 | emdete | bkruse_home: yes. i used it alot last week to port something. saved my time... |
| 22:24.48 | emdete | bkruse_home: but: there is no ipkg comming out. just copy the binary to the neo for testing |
| 22:25.14 | emdete | bkruse_home: and: all changes are lost if you don't copy you work! be careful! |
| 22:25.27 | bkruse_home | emdete: will do! |
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| 22:25.56 | bkruse_home | i just exported the pkgconfig env variable and --target=arm-linux seemed to do it...I will try it in qemu |
| 22:25.57 | emdete | bkruse_home: i made a target in Makefile that compiles all, compies to neo and copies to save-path |
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| 22:26.17 | bkruse_home | emdete: thank you so much, I have done a fair amount of development, and am working on my IAX cliet, but have never had to cross-compile |
| 22:26.28 | bkruse_home | emdete: that would be perfect! |
| 22:26.58 | emdete | bkruse_home: i started woth that some month ago - its a pain, but if you see something working on the neo, that's worth it :D |
| 22:27.06 | NineX | ha record !!! |
| 22:27.14 | NineX | 11hours with active gsm |
| 22:27.20 | NineX | without charging |
| 22:27.28 | emdete | NineX: how that? |
| 22:27.38 | bkruse_home | emdete: with what a month ago? an iax client? |
| 22:27.46 | mmontour | NineX: nice! |
| 22:27.49 | KrisAbsinthe | let me know how you did that PM |
| 22:27.50 | emdete | bkruse_home: cross compile |
| 22:28.07 | emdete | bkruse_home: don't even know what iax client means ;) |
| 22:28.07 | bkruse_home | emdete: ahh, thank you for sharing your experience, so I can continue on making awesome stuff :] |
| 22:28.20 | bkruse_home | emdete: its a voIP client |
| 22:29.42 | emdete | bkruse_home: thank mickey, he helped me alot there :) |
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| 22:40.04 | NineX | experimantal kernel + couple scripts from my friend |
| 22:40.16 | NineX | but system is quite unstable |
| 22:41.45 | summatusmentis | is there any easy way to setup openmoko to run under qemu? I'm unfamiliar with OM |
| 22:41.51 | daMaestro | yes |
| 22:42.01 | daMaestro | there is a qemu-neo1973 branch |
| 22:42.07 | daMaestro | summatusmentis, what distro? |
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| 22:42.55 | summatusmentis | daMaestro: in Ubuntu, running under OS X in vmware |
| 22:43.09 | daMaestro | summatusmentis, you'll have to build it then i suppose |
| 22:43.24 | daMaestro | summatusmentis, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu |
| 22:43.45 | summatusmentis | I've got OE setup, is it pretty straightforward? |
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| 22:44.22 | daMaestro | wow.. so ctrl-w is not "remove last argument" lol |
| 22:44.40 | daMaestro | summatusmentis, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu#Manual_setup |
| 22:44.47 | daMaestro | summatusmentis, Mokomakefile also assists |
| 22:46.52 | summatusmentis | there are images provided though, that I wouldn't have to necessarily build? |
| 22:47.29 | daMaestro | build what? |
| 22:47.39 | summatusmentis | the images |
| 22:47.40 | roh | bbtw.. buildhost is back |
| 22:47.41 | daMaestro | qemu-neo1973? |
| 22:47.52 | daMaestro | no, you don't *have* to build the images |
| 22:48.01 | summatusmentis | I'm confused now |
| 22:48.02 | daMaestro | you can use downloaded images |
| 22:48.14 | daMaestro | summatusmentis, just read the full wiki page i've linked you to |
| 22:48.21 | summatusmentis | I am, and I'm not understanding |
| 22:49.36 | summatusmentis | I can either setup an entirely new OE env, using MokoMakefile, or I can manually use the OE env I have, correct? |
| 22:50.52 | balrog-kun | or you can use no OE at all |
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| 23:19.09 | CM | ~lart poppler and epdf |
| 23:19.09 | apt | beats poppler and epdf into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
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| 23:19.49 | bkruse_home | porting this whole thing is going to be interesting |
| 23:22.34 | bkruse_home | Im having a problem with make qemu-local |
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| 23:33.22 | CM | bkruse_home: Fails with a libgnutls.so.13 error for me too |
| 23:33.51 | bkruse_home | CM: I had a libpnm or libpng error, but I apt-get --reinstall install libpng10-dev and it worked fine |
| 23:33.59 | bkruse_home | CM: you using the moko makefile? |
| 23:34.08 | CM | Yes |
| 23:34.10 | bkruse_home | I did a make update and then tried qemu-local again |
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| 23:41.00 | bkruse_home | hey guys |
| 23:41.17 | bkruse_home | im running the image in qemu, is there a way to drop to shell or similar? I want to see if a cli arm compiled app I wrote works |
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| 23:43.12 | CM | bkruse_home: Open the terminal |
| 23:43.26 | CM | :) |
| 23:43.32 | bkruse_home | CM: is it an app? |
| 23:43.33 | CM | I mean from the application list |
| 23:43.34 | CM | Yes |
| 23:45.00 | bkruse_home | CM: nice |
| 23:45.28 | CM | I have a real Neo too though ;) |
| 23:48.24 | bkruse_home | CM: geez, i bet |
| 23:48.29 | bkruse_home | im getting a couple soon |
| 23:48.54 | CM | What are you planning to do with them? |
| 23:49.03 | CM | I mean, what app are you working on :) |
| 23:50.44 | bkruse_home | its a voip phone/client |
| 23:50.56 | CM | Ah, ok |