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| 00:45.45 | mickey|brunswick | yo raster, dude. please commit some missing header files to internal svn |
| 00:45.50 | mickey|brunswick | welcome in .tw |
| 00:45.57 | mickey|brunswick | glad to have you back |
| 00:46.00 | raster | mickey|brunswick: yooy |
| 00:46.00 | mickey|brunswick | going to sleep now |
| 00:46.02 | raster | which ones? |
| 00:46.03 | mickey|brunswick | cu tomorrow! |
| 00:46.19 | mickey|brunswick | *neo_my* |
| 00:46.23 | mickey|brunswick | *neo_other* |
| 00:46.30 | raster | hmmm |
| 00:46.40 | raster | i wonder why they didnt get svn added with the others |
| 00:46.48 | mickey|brunswick | yeah |
| 00:46.50 | mickey|brunswick | l8er |
| 00:47.00 | raster | maybe because i hadn't saved them yet and only had them up in editors |
| 00:48.31 | raster | :-P |
| 00:48.34 | raster | in svn now |
| 00:50.24 | stefan_schmidt | yo raster |
| 00:51.29 | raster | stefan_schmidt: yo yo! |
| 00:51.46 | stefan_schmidt | raster: how was life without internet? |
| 00:52.13 | raster | sucks |
| 00:52.17 | raster | i still have none |
| 00:52.24 | raster | i only have internet because i'm in taipei again |
| 00:52.27 | stefan_schmidt | raster: btw, do you know if bossa conference will be held in 2008? |
| 00:52.37 | stefan_schmidt | raster: oh, still no in .au |
| 00:52.42 | stefan_schmidt | raster: That is shitty |
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| 00:56.54 | raster | stefan_schmidt: yes - midle of march |
| 00:56.59 | raster | i think 16th ot 18th frommemory |
| 00:57.09 | raster | middle |
| 00:57.10 | raster | bah |
| 00:57.15 | stefan_schmidt | raster: oh, interesting |
| 00:57.18 | tuukkah | in qemu, when keyboard works as a usb keyboard, how do i create AUX and Power presses? |
| 00:57.31 | stefan_schmidt | raster: That could perhaps match my schedule |
| 00:58.06 | raster | hmm |
| 00:58.14 | raster | has something changed on buildhost? |
| 00:58.25 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.25 | raster | .. |
| 00:58.31 | raster | mtn: doing anonymous pull; use -kKEYNAME if you need authentication |
| 00:58.31 | raster | mtn: connecting to buildhost.openmoko.org |
| 00:58.31 | raster | mtn: network error: failed to connect: Connection refused |
| 00:58.33 | stefan_schmidt | raster: Mickeyl asks me if the bikini girls are already there in march? |
| 00:58.39 | raster | hahaha |
| 00:58.41 | raster | its recife |
| 00:58.46 | stefan_schmidt | raster: monotone.openmoko.org |
| 00:58.47 | raster | they are there 12 months of the year |
| 00:58.55 | stefan_schmidt | raster: good |
| 00:59.41 | zash | raster: orly |
| 00:59.42 | raster | hmm |
| 00:59.46 | raster | host changed |
| 01:00.02 | raster | zash: well recife is in the tropics |
| 01:00.08 | raster | its always warm and balmy |
| 01:00.12 | raster | thus always bikinis |
| 01:00.13 | raster | :) |
| 01:00.21 | stefan_schmidt | raster: Having all this big displays around now we came to the question how good e17 handles automatic even space window tiling |
| 01:00.32 | stefan_schmidt | instead of maximizing |
| 01:01.30 | raster | stefan_schmidt: well i like how it handles it |
| 01:01.37 | raster | with edget and resize resistance |
| 01:01.42 | raster | and with remember properties |
| 01:01.52 | raster | you can put your windows where you want them and arrange your space |
| 01:02.17 | alphaone | And will it avoid placing windows across screen borders? |
| 01:02.30 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: That's ion3 ;) |
| 01:03.30 | zash | and we need that on a phone? |
| 01:03.40 | raster | alphaone: yes |
| 01:03.49 | raster | alphaone: unless the app ASKS to be placed there |
| 01:03.51 | stefan_schmidt | zash: nah, but on our displays for the workstations |
| 01:03.53 | raster | e honors what the app asks |
| 01:04.14 | alphaone | raster: Okay :-) |
| 01:04.18 | raster | so if the app is stupid and asks for a window acorss 2 screens - e dutifully does what it asked |
| 01:04.32 | raster | e itself considers each screen in xinerama separate |
| 01:04.43 | raster | and will manage themsepaately with searate sets of virtual desktops etc. |
| 01:05.34 | ljp | so when is rastermoko going to be available? |
| 01:06.09 | stefan_schmidt | and having only one screen is it possible to tell e to handle it like two xinerama screens being split in the middle? |
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| 01:12.15 | SuN | Hah, fell into the widescreen trap, stefan_schmidt? ;) |
| 01:12.34 | alphaone | SuN: Not him actually |
| 01:12.43 | stefan_schmidt | SuN: nah, its fine. Just prefer even more workflow optimazation |
| 01:12.50 | stefan_schmidt | s |
| 01:12.54 | raster | ljp: hahahahahaha |
| 01:12.55 | alphaone | And it's not really a trap. Just would be nice to have |
| 01:13.10 | raster | stefan_schmidt: yes. only via command-line arguments though |
| 01:13.14 | raster | enlightenment --help for args |
| 01:13.18 | raster | theres a fake xinerama option |
| 01:13.28 | alphaone | That's cool |
| 01:13.33 | SuN | I have 2 screens, I had to search for non-widescreens, it's very annoying. ANd effectively they often have less pixels. They're nice if you watch a lot of movies, though. |
| 01:13.34 | raster | its actually there for testing if u dont have xinerama but want sot tst e's xinerama handling |
| 01:13.37 | stefan_schmidt | raster: great |
| 01:13.44 | raster | but if you REALLY want |
| 01:13.53 | stefan_schmidt | raster: Now Shoragan is able to by an 27" display too |
| 01:13.57 | raster | you can fool e with it into thinking you have xinerama screens that you really don't |
| 01:14.05 | raster | stefan_schmidt: HAHAHAHA |
| 01:14.07 | raster | damn |
| 01:14.10 | SuN | Ahh, on 27" I guess you have enough room to do xinerama stuff :D |
| 01:14.13 | raster | everyone is getting that 27" dell |
| 01:14.27 | alphaone | raster: :-) |
| 01:14.38 | alphaone | Only because the 30" screen sucks |
| 01:14.41 | alphaone | ;-) |
| 01:14.45 | SuN | I imagine 27" would be rather tiring. |
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| 01:15.33 | alphaone | SuN: Yeah, all the moving left/right to look at the whole screen :-) |
| 01:15.53 | raster | alphaone: hahahaha |
| 01:16.15 | raster | alphaone: if only dvi didnt need dual link for 2560x1600 |
| 01:16.22 | stefan_schmidt | night all |
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| 01:16.58 | alphaone | raster: True |
| 01:17.33 | raster | night! |
| 01:17.42 | raster | alphaone: but the screen is sexy |
| 01:17.46 | raster | it just feels nice |
| 01:17.58 | raster | all the shiny "glass" base and brushed aluminium |
| 01:17.59 | raster | yum |
| 01:18.11 | alphaone | Yeah, that *is* nice |
| 01:18.34 | alphaone | And it dissipates quite some heat |
| 01:18.47 | alphaone | Which is nice during winter :-) |
| 01:19.12 | alphaone | Okay, I'm going to bed now, too. |
| 01:19.17 | alphaone | Good night |
| 01:19.20 | SuN | G"night |
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| 01:19.45 | borg_ | http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/02/toshibas-22-inch-monitor-touts-insane-3-840-x-2-400-resolution/ |
| 01:19.54 | borg_ | that is a sexy screen |
| 01:26.01 | raster | alphaone: night! |
| 01:26.21 | raster | borg_: thats.... insane |
| 01:26.26 | raster | but nice |
| 01:26.29 | borg_ | indeed |
| 01:27.05 | raster | but way too expensive |
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| 02:01.12 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1132 has been created by kresp0(AT)yahoo.es |
| 02:01.12 | cdbot2 | * * when hands-free mode is on, the mic is muted |
| 02:01.12 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1132 |
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| 02:21.10 | Mek | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/7e25631e5e921e298725dcfaf5adc0f8.png <-- plasma (from KDE4) running on my phone :) |
| 02:26.38 | ljp | intersting |
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| 02:44.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1133 has been created by kresp0(AT)yahoo.es |
| 02:44.02 | cdbot2 | * * some games menu don't fit on screen |
| 02:44.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1133 |
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| 04:21.30 | hec | anyone in the USA in here that has a moko? |
| 04:22.07 | hec | or rather neo 1973 i guess would be a better question |
| 04:25.31 | mwester-road | There's a bunch in the us |
| 04:25.47 | hec | anyone actually using it successfully with gprs? |
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| 04:36.09 | SpeedEvil | reportedly, yes. |
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| 04:36.50 | hec | any tangible info like a link or anything? |
| 04:37.06 | hec | ive tried like 10 diff sims (all ATT) with little to no success |
| 04:37.30 | SpeedEvil | normal calls work fine? |
| 04:37.54 | hec | the one sim card that was able to make a call didnt have a data plan |
| 04:38.09 | hec | most of the time when i fire up libgsmd-tool -m sheel |
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| 04:38.10 | SpeedEvil | There are a couple of issues |
| 04:38.17 | hec | and try to list carriers i get nothing back |
| 04:38.26 | SpeedEvil | A) 850Mhz band doesn't work due to spec problems - the phone is a triband |
| 04:38.51 | SpeedEvil | B) some AT&T and perhaps other SIMs don't work properly in the phone and are not recognised |
| 04:39.06 | hec | so it works on 900, 1850 and 1900 ? |
| 04:39.37 | SpeedEvil | From memory, yes |
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| 04:39.56 | hec | yeh that would be the problem... |
| 04:40.08 | hec | were 850 |
| 04:40.22 | bkruse_home | anyone have a good 'this is how you integrate your application' / example source |
| 04:41.19 | hec | bkruse_home: if you have your stuff all compiled for the moko if you check out /usr/share/applications |
| 04:41.34 | hec | thats where the shortcuts are for the apps that show up in the launcher |
| 04:41.39 | bkruse_home | hec: got it. |
| 04:41.48 | bkruse_home | I want just start my own app |
| 04:41.57 | bkruse_home | I already have most the code, doing the whole 'gtk' thing, ugh lol |
| 04:42.06 | hec | hehe yeh i hear ya |
| 04:42.20 | bkruse_home | hec: thanks? |
| 04:43.52 | hec | did you grab the openembedded stuff? |
| 04:44.33 | bkruse_home | hec: yes, using the mokomakefile |
| 04:45.05 | SpeedEvil | Has anyone gotten native toolchain working well? |
| 04:45.16 | SpeedEvil | cc helloworld.c works just fine |
| 04:45.31 | SpeedEvil | more complex stuff breaks. |
| 04:45.55 | hec | yeh i compiled my gps tracking code in C on it and fought a lot |
| 04:45.59 | hec | but i got it ported over |
| 04:46.21 | hec | so you can track the phone with the AGPS, but of course its of little value since I have to be tethered to a PC via USB |
| 04:46.37 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 04:47.01 | hec | i have a device in my car that accomplishes the same thing, but I really wanted it on a device in my pocket |
| 04:47.48 | SpeedEvil | I've used the trivial 'tail -f /tmp/nmea|grep GPGGA|ssh server port 'cat >/tmp/nmea'" to do remote stuff |
| 04:48.01 | SpeedEvil | but that doesn't work so well if you don't have GPRS up and working |
| 04:48.31 | hec | yeh |
| 04:48.39 | hec | this is coming from the neo right now |
| 04:48.40 | hec | http://unstable.aset.psu.edu/cjh/gps/ |
| 04:49.00 | hec | am in not moving cuz im on my couch |
| 04:49.06 | hec | its much cooler when im driving around |
| 04:49.10 | bkruse_home | nice! |
| 04:49.38 | hec | its also kinda a bummer that that hammerhead chip doesnt report altitude |
| 04:50.17 | hec | the agps is cool though cuz it acquires in like 1 second |
| 04:50.23 | hec | even when im in the house |
| 04:50.33 | hec | unlike all my other garmin devices |
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| 04:52.35 | hec | oh well... time for bed.. gotta get up early and get snow tires on my german bobsled of a bmw |
| 04:54.12 | hec | night all |
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| 05:08.25 | bkruse_home | night nec, ty again |
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| 05:49.24 | linux_galore | oi oi |
| 05:50.25 | CM | :) |
| 05:50.30 | xcasex | morning |
| 05:50.30 | raster | mooooh |
| 05:50.34 | xcasex | raster! |
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| 05:50.48 | raster | xcasex: ltns! |
| 05:51.06 | xcasex | raster: work, kept me busy, as did the divorce :( |
| 05:51.26 | xcasex | i saw pixelhead the other day too, he also split from his girl :/ |
| 05:51.35 | raster | hmmmmmmmmmmmmm divorce |
| 05:51.36 | raster | ouch |
| 05:51.46 | xcasex | yeah. life goes on :) |
| 05:52.09 | Tronic | More time for coding \o/ |
| 05:52.12 | xcasex | now i'm working at a consultancy firm doing, mostly, linux migrations and contract work :) |
| 05:52.42 | raster | hahahah |
| 05:53.24 | xcasex | and ehrm, playing with my neo :p |
| 05:55.23 | xcasex | raster: congrats on the new job btw |
| 05:55.33 | raster | :) |
| 05:57.22 | raster | still getting all set up |
| 05:57.53 | xcasex | i bet, heard from cobra you went offline w/o connectivity for a while :/ |
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| 06:03.05 | raster | ye |
| 06:03.08 | raster | no adsl @ home |
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| 06:08.50 | xcasex | raster: aye. so, rage, we need to port it over to the moko ;) |
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| 06:17.48 | raster | xcasex: maybe |
| 06:17.55 | raster | thats not important atm though. |
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| 06:20.23 | xcasex | raster: i kinda figured :p |
| 06:20.31 | xcasex | raster: btw did you hear about tokyos new gig? |
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| 06:21.03 | raster | hmm |
| 06:21.04 | raster | no? |
| 06:22.01 | xcasex | raster: he's doing commercial e17 themeing ;) |
| 06:26.35 | raster | oooh - for gos/gpc? |
| 06:31.26 | xcasex | raster: yeah |
| 06:32.22 | raster | yeah - know about that |
| 06:32.24 | raster | :) |
| 06:33.03 | xcasex | cool :D |
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| 07:09.32 | ruxpin | hec: you don't use neo for that? |
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| 07:16.47 | Atul__ | mbuf, code get hang ups here lgsm_passthrough (lgsmh, buf, rbuf, &rlen) and for other functionality it work fine |
| 07:17.54 | mbuf | Atul__, everytime you run it? or occasionally? |
| 07:18.45 | Atul__ | for each command to execute i run it . and for testing occasionally when i try for very first time it work fine now creates problem |
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| 07:43.55 | zittix | Hi all |
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| 07:44.54 | zittix | sorry to ask that but does anyone has up to date news about final release of GTA02? Is the room topic true :-( ? |
| 07:45.11 | raster | there's a topic? |
| 07:45.26 | raster | wow |
| 07:45.30 | raster | a topic |
| 07:45.35 | zittix | :-) |
| 07:45.43 | raster | (that is sensible and worth reading) |
| 07:45.47 | zittix | I mean room subject or I don't know how do you call that |
| 07:46.22 | raster | channel topic |
| 07:46.40 | zittix | ok it's better :-) thx |
| 07:47.18 | zittix | do you have any news so ? |
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| 07:48.22 | CM | zittix: No more news than that |
| 07:48.35 | raster | no news |
| 07:48.39 | raster | i have no idea |
| 07:48.42 | raster | i just do software |
| 07:48.43 | CM | zittix: Keel looking in at the community update page in the wiki |
| 07:48.51 | raster | hardwaqre has its own world/timetable/blah |
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| 07:49.04 | zittix | it's sad :-( |
| 07:49.08 | raster | i get my info the same time everyone else does |
| 07:49.19 | zittix | I hope so too |
| 07:49.43 | zittix | Thank you for your answers ! |
| 07:49.49 | raster | i hope so as well |
| 07:49.57 | raster | but i can't provide much info |
| 07:50.02 | raster | i do higher level userspace stuff |
| 07:50.07 | raster | so from my point of view |
| 07:50.15 | raster | i am waiting on working hardware |
| 07:50.23 | zittix | :-) |
| 07:51.14 | CM | raster: Any special sw you're working on right now? :) |
| 07:51.14 | raster | maybe |
| 07:51.15 | CM | ;) |
| 07:51.15 | zittix | I was hoping that there will be some hardware developers here.. |
| 07:51.26 | raster | zittix: unlikely |
| 07:51.40 | CM | zittix: They seem to mostly be .tw people, and even though there's some of them here they don't talk so much |
| 07:52.10 | zittix | CM: yeah surely :-) |
| 07:52.23 | raster | they are all taiwanese and thus hanging in a channel that does english mostly is not the easiest thing for them |
| 07:52.24 | raster | but they do try |
| 07:52.39 | zittix | CM: working hard to release there 2 months late phone |
| 07:52.42 | CM | zittix: Sometimes you can find some info in bugzilla, but you have to read a lot there to find it |
| 07:53.06 | zittix | CM: ok I will try... |
| 07:53.43 | CM | raster: They do. tick and jserv-- usually talk some, and I've heard jouston and maybe someone more dare to talk too :D |
| 07:53.44 | zittix | I have send an email to know if it is possible to get some working prototype of the current revision of th GTA02 for a university project but no luck, no answer :-( |
| 07:53.58 | CM | zittix: Why is gta01 not enough? |
| 07:54.06 | raster | CM: they are software :) not HW |
| 07:54.07 | raster | :) |
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| 07:54.11 | CM | True |
| 07:54.32 | zittix | CM: We will develop some VoIP solution through Wifi... |
| 07:54.45 | CM | zittix: Heh, ah, ok. |
| 07:54.47 | raster | zittix: i can tell you the answer will be 'no' |
| 07:54.52 | jouston | Sorry, who is CM? |
| 07:55.02 | raster | zittix: we have few enough prototypes internally to share around |
| 07:55.16 | CM | jouston: Sorry for disturbing, I'm just hanging out here :) |
| 07:55.37 | zittix | raster: sad :-( ! Do you have one ? |
| 07:55.41 | raster | yes |
| 07:56.04 | CM | zittix: Why don't you use a N800 or so instead? |
| 07:56.04 | raster | but it has hw bugs |
| 07:56.11 | CM | They're availible, with working wifi |
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| 07:56.21 | zittix | raster: do you think that the device could done some audio processing things with its actual cpu ? |
| 07:56.21 | raster | why do you NEED a neo to work on your software? |
| 07:56.30 | jouston | CM: Oh well, you speak my nick name then that's why I ask. ;-) |
| 07:56.33 | raster | yes |
| 07:56.34 | zittix | CM: don't know it.. Is it open ? |
| 07:56.37 | raster | the GTA01 can do it |
| 07:56.38 | raster | easily |
| 07:56.46 | raster | the GTA02 has a cpu double the speed |
| 07:56.51 | raster | (well double the clockrate) |
| 07:57.25 | zittix | raster: mmhh great.. unfortunatly in march it will be too late :-( |
| 07:57.28 | raster | the GTA01 has all the cpu processing power u'd ever need for doing some fun audio stuff |
| 07:57.31 | CM | jouston: Just know you're a .tw guy, and we were discussing that some from the Taipei office are here and discuss things, and we like that. :) |
| 07:57.32 | raster | a lot of it |
| 07:57.43 | raster | zittix: why do you need the device itself |
| 07:57.48 | raster | just write the stuff on your desktop pc |
| 07:58.08 | jouston | CM: Oh well. I am .tw and Raster is in .tw too. ;-) |
| 07:58.29 | CM | So i noticed, now at least he's got net access ;) |
| 07:58.33 | zittix | raster: firtstly yes but then we have to test it on embedded devices.. |
| 07:58.41 | jserv-- | CM, hi, thanks for pointing :-) |
| 07:59.29 | jserv-- | CM, willie_chen is the firmware/driver guy. |
| 07:59.30 | CM | jserv--: Oh, cool. Hope no more issues popped up, only good news.. :D |
| 07:59.41 | CM | Ok, thanks. |
| 07:59.59 | jserv-- | CM, not bad. We finally have something cool produced well. :P |
| 08:00.20 | raster | zittix: and why do you have to test it on an embedded device? |
| 08:01.20 | raster | (what i'm getting at is - the actual hardware isn't always needed - in fact it is mostly not needed except for drivers and final fine-tuning of performance. performance can be approximated on a desktop) |
| 08:01.48 | CM | And debugging and so on is just more tedious when you don't have a full desktop |
| 08:01.57 | raster | yup |
| 08:02.01 | zittix | raster: because one goal of our project is to do audio source localization with multiple microphone. ANd the idea was to use wireless embedded device to simulate this microphone which are at lower cost |
| 08:02.04 | raster | i would do 99% of my dev on the desktop |
| 08:02.06 | raster | and i do |
| 08:02.30 | raster | zittix: emulate with pc's and laptops |
| 08:02.37 | raster | when doing development |
| 08:02.52 | raster | when the phone comes out - then u just have a smaller "pc" |
| 08:03.11 | raster | (that is arm not x86 based) |
| 08:03.11 | zittix | raster: yes that's what I was thinking |
| 08:03.36 | raster | you can do your work "assuming" the end target device will appear |
| 08:03.54 | raster | you can simulate perfromance roughly by playign with cpufreq on a laptop as well as acpi cpu throttling |
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| 08:04.10 | zittix | raster: sure :-) but if assuming mean Februrary or before it would work but if it after that, the timeline will be too short |
| 08:04.20 | raster | all you need is some form of benchmark on the desktop and a benchmark on the/a similar device |
| 08:04.24 | raster | then you can approximate it |
| 08:05.50 | zittix | zittix: unfortunatly we have to evaluate it in real and not trying to approximate it :-( it is quite boring for that :-( |
| 08:06.19 | zittix | oups sorry I meant raster ;-) |
| 08:07.00 | CM | zittix: Then do get N800's |
| 08:08.02 | raster | even that is an approximation |
| 08:08.23 | Longfield | zittix: we have done audio source localization with multiple microphone with our very simple robot: http://www.e-puck.org/ |
| 08:08.26 | zittix | CM: do you know if it is "open" ? |
| 08:08.50 | CM | zittix: Never heard of Maemo and scratchbox? |
| 08:09.08 | CM | zittix: It's basically running linux with gtk libs, so yes.. |
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| 08:09.24 | CM | zittix: Nokia N800 |
| 08:09.39 | raster | i can tell you now a 1.8ghz core2 duo laptop needs to run at about 1.3ghz @ throttling level 7 to approximate an n800's 300mhz TI cpu |
| 08:09.39 | CM | They're fairly chep, now that the N810 is out |
| 08:09.56 | zittix | CM: I heard a little but I didn't know that it was open |
| 08:10.31 | zittix | CM: so what do you asnwer to the question "differences between N800 and GTA02" :-) ? |
| 08:10.54 | zittix | raster: How did you do your approximation :-)? |
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| 08:11.10 | CM | zittix: N800 is a bit less open, have no gsm, and no gps, but is availible now and have wifi |
| 08:11.15 | zittix | Longfield: excellent project :-) |
| 08:11.40 | zittix | CM: ok thanks good way to investigate |
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| 08:13.05 | Longfield | zittix: thanks ... I actually only did a bit of software for a few peripherals, and tests ... but one of these was sound localization with the two microphones we have on the robot |
| 08:14.09 | zittix | Longfield: mmh, impresive. I'm at the EPFL too :-) |
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| 08:14.57 | raster | zittix: benchmarking |
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| 08:15.36 | ruxpin | I just tried the latest ScaredyCat image and I found one design flaw: when the orientation is switched, the main menu (from power button) doesn't scale well |
| 08:15.59 | ruxpin | is it possible to select the keymap for the virtual keyboard? |
| 08:16.09 | ruxpin | it's missing some important characters |
| 08:19.30 | CM | ruxpin: Which ones are missing? |
| 08:21.28 | ruxpin | CM: I can't find the chooser for the keymap, so I only see the US one. I'm scandinavian and missing å, ä and ö |
| 08:21.52 | CM | Aha, vet inte heller hur man ska fixa det |
| 08:21.58 | ruxpin | :) |
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| 08:24.07 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:31.51 | zittix | thanks for your appreciated help guys |
| 08:31.51 | zittix | bye |
| 08:34.04 | josch | CM, do you know how closed the n800 hardware is? I know that a few apps are proprietary but do the hardware need binary drivers? |
| 08:34.38 | hhf423 | guys, does http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D work for you? |
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| 08:38.48 | CM | hhf423: Doesn't work, server broke down a while ago |
| 08:39.14 | CM | josch: No, don't know about the hardware drivers, but I do think all of them are open. |
| 08:39.16 | hhf423 | has anyone filed a bug or shall I? |
| 08:39.25 | CM | hhf423: They know of it |
| 08:39.27 | roh | hhf423 take a look at http://buildhost-migration.openmoko.org .. but thats only temporary.. |
| 08:39.45 | roh | buildhost died and got replaced, but its not everything there yet afaik. |
| 08:39.56 | roh | it will be renamed back to buildhost |
| 08:40.18 | hhf423 | ah |
| 08:40.24 | hhf423 | so no need to file a bug |
| 08:40.52 | xzcvczx | hhf423: just spam file til they fix it :P |
| 08:42.17 | hhf423 | bah, just filed a bug |
| 08:42.40 | hhf423 | its proper procedure anyway. every problem must have a paper trail. |
| 08:42.57 | Mek | :) |
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| 08:43.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1134 has been created by hndispatch-hhf423(AT)yahoo.de |
| 08:43.02 | cdbot2 | * * repository buildhost.openmoko.org down / not accepting connections |
| 08:43.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1134 |
| 08:43.03 | hhf423 | hahaha |
| 08:43.48 | CM | Mek: Cool kde hack on scap, what's your plan with that? |
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| 08:44.27 | Mek | CM: not sure yet, this was more just to see how difficult it would be |
| 08:45.13 | CM | Ok. Was it slow? |
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| 08:46.14 | Mek | some things weren't very responsive, but most of the stuff worked quite smooth |
| 08:47.15 | CM | :) |
| 08:47.42 | Mek | but it all does use quite a sizable portion of my sd-card (I think about 250MB totally) |
| 08:47.47 | Mek | :) |
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| 08:51.23 | hhf423 | CM: put a bug in :-) |
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| 08:52.35 | CM | hhf423: Hehe.. Maybe i should :D |
| 08:55.09 | hhf423 | is there a ipk for GPSdrive? |
| 08:55.28 | hhf423 | or whatever this is: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/29653a1a042a742f01e36a9bc39db426.png |
| 08:58.58 | CM | ~curse ewl_pdf for never compiling |
| 08:58.59 | apt | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, ewl_pdf for never compiling ! |
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| 09:01.28 | raster | mmmm canel fleas |
| 09:01.29 | raster | yum |
| 09:03.23 | CM | raster: If you have any hint where i should look, please tell: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3467 |
| 09:04.09 | CM | It's like some header file with the DCHECK_ macros are missing |
| 09:04.44 | raster | hmm |
| 09:04.50 | raster | wrong version of poppler |
| 09:05.04 | CM | Ah, ok. :) |
| 09:05.17 | raster | i think epdf support 0.6 |
| 09:05.29 | raster | poppler changes api between versions |
| 09:05.56 | CM | ~blame poppler instead of e |
| 09:05.56 | apt | ACTION blames poppler instead of e (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 09:06.29 | raster | hahahah |
| 09:06.59 | doc|home | <- in Canada :o |
| 09:07.42 | CM | ~tank Southpart for Blame Canada |
| 09:07.47 | CM | bah.. thank.. |
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| 09:46.06 | hhf423 | muahahah http://xkcd.com/327/ |
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| 09:48.46 | doc|home | yeah, love that one :) |
| 09:50.57 | TAsn-ghost | hhf423, it's the best one ever, you should read all the 1337 series... anyhow: http://xkcd.com/356/ |
| 09:53.06 | hhf423 | 340 is also funny, especially the mouse over comment |
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| 09:54.08 | CM | Yeah, brilliant guy |
| 09:54.39 | CM | And slightly disturbing to me that he's born in 1984 |
| 09:54.45 | doc|home | wow |
| 09:56.55 | CoreDump | a guy in here solved 356 two days ago. |
| 09:57.31 | CoreDump | the solution is ~0.78 |
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| 09:58.43 | CM | CoreDump: You mean found it on wolrfram.com? |
| 09:58.45 | CM | ;) |
| 09:58.54 | CoreDump | all hail the power of google =) |
| 09:59.06 | CM | Hehe, for sure |
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| 10:00.55 | xcasex | ich heise robert und ich habst ein grosse schvanzen? :) |
| 10:01.27 | CM | Was?? |
| 10:01.34 | xcasex | kommen zu vater CM |
| 10:01.39 | CM | Hehe |
| 10:01.45 | xcasex | hehe :p |
| 10:01.49 | xcasex | <-- bored |
| 10:02.11 | CM | <-- boredest |
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| 10:02.40 | xcasex | CM: know of any ftp clients that look like mc? |
| 10:03.15 | NineX | anyone can paste me into prv default u-boot env content ? |
| 10:03.16 | CoreDump | xcasex: gftp |
| 10:03.16 | CM | NineX: I'd be interested in that too.. |
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| 10:03.43 | xcasex | CoreDump: cli |
| 10:03.48 | PBeck | hi |
| 10:03.49 | CoreDump | ugh |
| 10:04.06 | CM | xcasex: What |
| 10:04.14 | CM | 's wrong with ssh? :) |
| 10:04.29 | xcasex | i cant very well GET with ssh funnyman |
| 10:04.31 | CoreDump | ssh & scp are your friends. Using ftp on *nix machines is rather painful IMO |
| 10:04.57 | CoreDump | scp funnyman:/some/file . ? |
| 10:05.07 | CM | ftp should be banished from everywhere |
| 10:05.15 | CoreDump | exactly |
| 10:05.19 | CM | Well, guess tftp can be ok ;) |
| 10:05.20 | xcasex | okay girls |
| 10:05.25 | CoreDump | hehe |
| 10:05.45 | xcasex | this is not what i asked, but i'm glad you two found some common ground for some verbal mansechs. |
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| 10:07.11 | CoreDump | there were times I rather used "nc" than this ftp sh*t ;) |
| 10:07.35 | NineX | CM: devirginator works |
| 10:07.42 | NineX | CM: i fixed my neo |
| 10:07.57 | NineX | bot only i need to orginal menu |
| 10:08.02 | CM | xcasex: If you're bored, here's a very political incorrect and sometimes offending web comic: http://www.explosm.net/comics/1112/ |
| 10:08.10 | CM | NineX: Oh, ok. Hmm.. |
| 10:08.26 | CM | NineX: I never did get the devirginator working. What config did you use? |
| 10:08.43 | CoreDump | CM: LOL |
| 10:09.05 | CoreDump | took a second to sink in tho ;) |
| 10:09.33 | CM | CoreDump: There are many good ones there, if you like the somewhat odd humor |
| 10:09.37 | NineX | http://pastebin.ca/815731 |
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| 10:09.44 | NineX | CM: ^^ |
| 10:09.54 | CM | NineX: Thanks |
| 10:10.28 | CM | NineX: Did you have the devirginator config too somewhere? |
| 10:10.53 | NineX | CM: better |
| 10:11.31 | NineX | i must fix only splash |
| 10:11.37 | NineX | CM: no |
| 10:11.47 | CM | Ok |
| 10:11.47 | NineX | i edditet lot of things |
| 10:11.51 | CM | Same here |
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| 10:12.01 | CM | Tried to use the files I had on disk |
| 10:12.13 | CM | But I got some weird "scheme" error message |
| 10:12.21 | CM | And found nothing more about it |
| 10:12.31 | CM | Have to try again this weekend |
| 10:13.16 | hhf423 | I do not get the joke with the cup and the light music |
| 10:13.35 | hhf423 | do I have to watch youtube or something to get it? |
| 10:13.54 | CM | hhf423: Some jokes are just too weird |
| 10:14.47 | Mek | that's a joke you don't want to get... :) |
| 10:15.33 | CoreDump | hehehe |
| 10:15.45 | CM | Or http://www.explosm.net/comics/1090/ |
| 10:17.23 | hhf423 | I get the feeling that I do not want to get it. but I still wonder :-) |
| 10:18.51 | CoreDump | Save yourself some horrible mental images and stop wondering =) |
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| 10:21.43 | CM | hhf423: Guess you wonder about tubgirl and goatse too, but trust me just don't. (Someone recently sent me a link to a youtube tubgirl music video.. ewww...) |
| 10:24.55 | hhf423 | nah |
| 10:25.00 | CM | Pff.. how/what |
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| 11:15.20 | NineX | there is someone who have gta01bv4 and can provide printenv from they u-boot ? |
| 11:15.54 | hhf423 | is that not in the wiki? |
| 11:17.28 | NineX | hhf423: i dont found it |
| 11:17.44 | NineX | and devirginator installs quite different configuration |
| 11:18.03 | NineX | i whana have configuration like in factory new model |
| 11:18.18 | hhf423 | I have made a few mods, but nothing major |
| 11:18.47 | NineX | can you show me? |
| 11:19.10 | hhf423 | except I removed "console=ttySAC0,115200" from bootargs_base |
| 11:19.25 | hhf423 | yes, I can connect to ubott and pull it for you |
| 11:20.12 | NineX | hhf423: so show me please :) |
| 11:22.39 | hhf423 | here you go |
| 11:22.41 | hhf423 | http://pastebin.ca/815775 |
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| 11:23.40 | hhf423 | as said, I removed one argument from bootargs_base and I added two menu's for enabling fast and autofast charging if you want to use a dumb charger |
| 11:24.46 | NineX | dumb ? like motorolla ? |
| 11:25.29 | hhf423 | like my dumb ipod usb charger |
| 11:26.07 | hhf423 | with the fast menu I can go into ubott and force the phone into fast charge |
| 11:28.35 | NineX | how to clear env? |
| 11:29.15 | CoreDump | you don't |
| 11:29.22 | CoreDump | it would screw up u-boot badly |
| 11:30.40 | hhf423 | you have to overwrite line by line i think |
| 11:31.41 | CoreDump | fwiw, devirginizer can flash a clean env from scratch. You might want to checkout how it is done |
| 11:49.45 | NineX | what is pcf50606_init1 ? |
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| 11:51.54 | CVirus | when is March |
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| 12:00.44 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03chris * r3650 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (8 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 12:00.44 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/sms-compose.c: (page_shown), (page_hidden): |
| 12:00.44 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Connect to delete/delete-all button clicks (doesn't do anything yet) |
| 12:00.44 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/sms-contacts.h: |
| 12:00.44 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/sms-contacts.c: (page_shown), (page_hidden), |
| 12:00.45 | CIA-24 | openmoko: (notify_visible_cb), (visibility_notify_event_cb), (unmap_cb), |
| 12:00.49 | CIA-24 | openmoko: (nophoto_filter_func), (delete_clicked_cb), |
| 12:02.04 | torpor | yo |
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| 12:16.58 | torpor | x/clear |
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| 12:29.04 | NineX | CM: http://pastebin.ca/815815 <- u-bootenv |
| 12:37.18 | CM | NineX: It's not the same as the one hhf423 posted, and also, what is that pcf05606_...? |
| 12:37.18 | CM | But thanks :) |
| 12:37.18 | NineX | CM: remove this |
| 12:37.18 | nobody96 | moin |
| 12:37.19 | NineX | CM: uboot internal setting |
| 12:37.19 | NineX | i think |
| 12:37.19 | CM | ok, thanks |
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| 13:21.57 | nobody96 | re |
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| 13:30.28 | NineX | er |
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| 13:34.33 | RedDog | what is the minimum free disk space on flash for openmoko to work correctly? |
| 13:35.13 | SpeedEvil | 1m? |
| 13:35.19 | SpeedEvil | under that sort of range |
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| 13:37.24 | RedDog | hmm, ok ... thanks ... |
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| 13:43.22 | NineX | ha |
| 13:43.28 | NineX | my neo is unbricked |
| 13:43.35 | josch | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.39 | NineX | :> |
| 13:43.43 | NineX | josch: :> |
| 13:44.07 | mwester-road | he! Then it wasn't a proper brick in the first place; you'll have to try harder! :P :D |
| 13:44.15 | CM | Hehe |
| 13:44.23 | CM | ~congreatulate NineX |
| 13:44.30 | CM | Äh, I can't spell today |
| 13:44.44 | josch | hihi CM said Äh hihi |
| 13:44.59 | CM | ~tickle josch |
| 13:45.00 | apt | ACTION jumps on josch, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
| 13:45.06 | CM | Ha! |
| 13:45.06 | josch | oh noes!! |
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| 13:45.23 | emdete | hi, i have trouble to register at projects.openmoko.org, can someone take a look into the logs? :D |
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| 13:52.45 | mwester-road | That's "tea leaves" you're supposed to be reading, SpeedEvil, not the fireplace. |
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| 13:53.31 | roh | emdetewhat kind of trouble |
| 13:55.52 | emdete | roh: i registered, got the mail, clicked the link, logged in and got a messing telling me (in german) invalid operation, account is in use |
| 13:56.06 | emdete | s/messing/message/ |
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| 13:59.50 | new_bie | Hi all , how should i remove top cover to connect jtag cable ? |
| 14:00.08 | new_bie | i finding it difficult to remove top cover |
| 14:00.13 | new_bie | * am |
| 14:00.14 | CoreDump | it is explained in the wiki |
| 14:00.25 | SpeedEvil | new_bie: hammer |
| 14:00.43 | SpeedEvil | to remove the cover to expose the battery, or to take the PCB out? |
| 14:01.31 | CM | new_bie: To attach the jtag you have to take the front off |
| 14:01.38 | CM | Sorry, meant SpeedEvil |
| 14:01.51 | CM | new_bie: Just do as it says in the wiki, use the plektrum |
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| 14:04.27 | new_bie | am i following the rite link disassembling neo 1973 |
| 14:05.27 | SpeedEvil | what specific problem are you having? |
| 14:06.46 | new_bie | I removed the two Torx screws |
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| 14:07.47 | new_bie | what next |
| 14:07.51 | new_bie | ? |
| 14:07.56 | SpeedEvil | which link? |
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| 14:09.06 | new_bie | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo1973 |
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| 14:10.30 | NineX | [15:10:47] [freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from NineX|moko: irssi v0.8.10 - running on Linux armv4tl |
| 14:10.33 | NineX | :> |
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| 14:11.05 | emdete | NineX: question is vie ssh or on the console/terminal? |
| 14:11.57 | SpeedEvil | new_bie: what's your problem? |
| 14:12.14 | NineX|moko | terminal |
| 14:12.19 | new_bie | I cant remove the top cover |
| 14:12.43 | SpeedEvil | which step are you having problems with |
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| 14:13.00 | new_bie | carefully squeeze the end of the supplied guitar pick between the cover and the case at the bottom of the device, and then slide the pick up to the top on one side (do not twist the pick) |
| 14:13.59 | SpeedEvil | I find once the torx screws are out, you can start at the aux button depression, and slide a fingernail into the case there, aided by a slight twisting of the case and run the thumbnail along |
| 14:14.16 | emdete | anyone an idea why registering does not work on projects.openmoko.org? |
| 14:15.36 | new_bie | thanks speedevil that worked |
| 14:17.21 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 14:49.12 | caligari_spain | my debug board appears as |
| 14:49.12 | caligari_spain | Bus 002 Device 008: ID 0403:6010 Future Technology Devices International, Ltd |
| 14:49.12 | caligari_spain | Bus 002 Device 007: ID 0451:2046 Texas Instruments, Inc. TUSB2046 Hub |
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| 14:50.03 | caligari_spain | is it a neo firm compatible? |
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| 14:57.55 | NineX | hmm why jffs images have ~40mb , and tar of rootfs have about ~80 |
| 14:58.46 | CoreDump | jffs2 is compressed |
| 15:01.28 | NineX | aa ok |
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| 15:07.06 | _Damien_ | hi there.. I've killed my neo (gta01v04).. trying to flash a new bootloader.. but had no luck so far |
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| 15:08.33 | _Damien_ | the WIKI article "NAND_bad_blocks" mentions a u-boot.bin.ram - but I can't find it anywhere.. how can I create it? |
| 15:10.57 | mmontour | _Damien_: just use a regular u-boot binary |
| 15:10.58 | Field | caligari_spain: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debug_board#Usage_Instructions tells you how to change thos |
| 15:12.08 | _Damien_ | @mmontour: I tried and a little tux comes up on the LCD - but I can't access it via serial console anymore |
| 15:13.10 | mmontour | Recent versions of u-boot have the default console on usb (/dev/ttyACM0) rather than serial. |
| 15:13.26 | _Damien_ | sorry, that's what I meant |
| 15:14.17 | _Damien_ | there is another console of the debug board - on /dev/ttyUSB1 |
| 15:14.33 | _Damien_ | it shows me some u-boot messages |
| 15:14.47 | _Damien_ | but I can't execute any command |
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| 15:16.13 | mmontour | If you have the Neo's USB plugged in to your PC you should see /dev/ttyACM appear when uboot boots |
| 15:17.48 | _Damien_ | but uboot doesn't really boot.. and the USB device isn't there.. I tried to load lowlevel.bin" and then "u-boot.bin" via jtag |
| 15:18.21 | _Damien_ | and all I see is tux and a version string |
| 15:18.25 | mmontour | I have to go now - I'll check back later (or maybe someone else can help) |
| 15:18.40 | _Damien_ | ok, thanx so far |
| 15:19.19 | mohamed | hi all |
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| 15:19.52 | mohamed | have any one got an idea whay make setup stops at |
| 15:19.53 | mohamed | mtn: certificates | keys | revisions |
| 15:19.55 | mohamed | mtn: 58,997 | 65 | 19,445 |
| 15:19.56 | mohamed | mtn: bytes in | bytes out | certs in | revs in |
| 15:19.58 | mohamed | mtn: 3.3 k | 7.2 k | 0 | 0 |
| 15:20.00 | mohamed | ? |
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| 15:22.16 | _Damien_ | anyone an idea how to create the partitions using 'dynparts' after I've loaded u-boot via jtag (without jtag nothing happens ATM) |
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| 15:42.25 | mohamed | hi all |
| 15:43.15 | mohamed | have any one got any idea why make setup stops at |
| 15:43.17 | mohamed | mtn: connecting to monotone.openmoko.org |
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| 15:43.19 | mohamed | mtn: finding items to synchronize: |
| 15:43.21 | mohamed | mtn: certificates | keys | revisions |
| 15:43.22 | mohamed | mtn: 58,997 | 65 | 19,445 |
| 15:43.24 | mohamed | mtn: bytes in | bytes out | certs in | revs in |
| 15:43.25 | mohamed | mtn: 2.2 k | 5.8 k | 0 | 0 |
| 15:43.27 | mohamed | ? |
| 15:44.39 | mohamed | make OM_MONOTONE_SITE=monotone.openembedded.org setup also stops at |
| 15:44.41 | mohamed | mtn: connecting to monotone.openembedded.org |
| 15:44.43 | mohamed | mtn: finding items to synchronize: |
| 15:44.45 | mohamed | mtn: certificates | keys | revisions |
| 15:44.46 | mohamed | mtn: 58,997 | 65 | 19,445 |
| 15:44.48 | mohamed | mtn: bytes in | bytes out | certs in | revs in |
| 15:44.49 | mohamed | mtn: 1.2 k | 7.2 k | 0 | 0 |
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| 15:45.07 | LarstiQ | mohamed: it is slow? |
| 15:46.05 | mohamed | LarstiQ: slow!!, so I have to wait for so long? |
| 15:46.37 | CoreDump | maybe the sever has problems, who knows |
| 15:47.56 | mohamed | no one can tell, I'll try to wait for 30 min more |
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| 15:50.39 | magellan | is the buildhost down or is my internet screwing up? |
| 15:51.15 | mohamed | magellan: where have your build stopped? |
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| 15:52.06 | magellan | I just can't even connect |
| 15:55.29 | mohamed | magellan: when you type make setup, or when you type make openmoko-devel-image? |
| 15:57.24 | magellan | I cannot connect to http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D |
| 15:57.38 | magellan | or http://buildhost.openmoko.org |
| 16:00.01 | mohamed | the buildhost is down |
| 16:00.24 | magellan | thought so |
| 16:00.29 | mohamed | magellan: your connection is well, the buildhost is unreachable |
| 16:00.42 | magellan | who has the ability to cycle the power? |
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| 16:00.53 | magellan | Im kinda on the other side of the world |
| 16:01.04 | AVee | The machine is reachable, the webserver seems to be down |
| 16:01.24 | magellan | ah ok |
| 16:02.16 | mohamed | AVee: does this make a difference?, I couldn't start building |
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| 16:02.58 | AVee | No, it does not make a difference for you, i might make a difference for anyone trying to fix the problem. |
| 16:03.35 | magellan | well does someone near the problem at least know about it |
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| 16:09.34 | _Damien_ | could anyone please help flashing u-boot via jtag? |
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| 16:16.45 | _Damien_ | is the memory location I have to load u-boot to always 0x33f80000 ? |
| 16:17.50 | *** part/#openmoko zilux (n=zilux@212.155.183.253) |
| 16:19.02 | NineX|moko | uname -a |
| 16:19.17 | NineX|moko | Linux fic-gta01 2.6.22.5-moko11 #1 PREEMPT Wed Dec 12 13:58:07 CET 2007 armv4tl unknown |
| 16:19.22 | NineX|moko | :> |
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| 16:27.13 | CM | magellan: THey know about it and are working on it |
| 16:27.21 | CM | magellan: Take a look at http://buildhost-migration.openmoko.org |
| 16:27.48 | CM | The original buildhost died and they are replacing it right now, but it takes a while to rebuild everything |
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| 16:28.20 | abraxa__ | _Damien_: Judging from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NAND_bad_blocks#Flash_Tool I would say yes |
| 16:28.22 | NineX|moko | heh |
| 16:29.15 | NineX|moko | i don't need orginal buildhost. |
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| 16:30.32 | NineX|moko | devirginator rulez |
| 16:32.22 | _Damien_ | after having flashed u-boot (according to WIKI article 'NAND_bad_blocks') I have to connect to the u-boot console |
| 16:32.31 | CM | NineX|moko: Again, what config did you use for the devirginator? |
| 16:32.41 | _Damien_ | unfortunetely this doesn't work for me |
| 16:33.38 | NineX | CM: example |
| 16:33.41 | _Damien_ | I tried to connect to /dev/ttyUSB1 and there is some output of uboot - but I can't place any command |
| 16:33.54 | NineX | you need to fix |
| 16:33.55 | CM | NineX: Ok, no modifications at all? |
| 16:34.13 | NineX | devirginator script to use absolute path to files |
| 16:34.14 | CM | Yes, I started with the example too, and tried to set some like in the config.werner one |
| 16:34.30 | CM | Yes, tried that, but I got some strange error message. |
| 16:34.31 | _Damien_ | @NineX: could you please share your config |
| 16:34.42 | NineX | CM: you need to edit tmp/scripts to use absolute path |
| 16:34.50 | CM | Ah, ok |
| 16:34.57 | CM | Hmm.. |
| 16:36.51 | _Damien_ | NineX: which revision of devirginator are you using? |
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| 16:38.14 | NineX | _Damien_: nevest |
| 16:39.10 | NineX | ./setup.sh will download and generate all you need but you must have own uildhost with builded openmoko silence buildhost.openmoko.org is down |
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| 16:42.52 | mmontour | _Damien_: I'm back. When u-boot starts up, do you see lines like "In: usbtty" on the serial console? |
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| 16:45.04 | qermit | hi |
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| 16:47.32 | _Damien_ | mmontour: I'll check that |
| 16:49.21 | mmontour | Actually never mind - I thought those were printed to the serial port, but I just tried it and it only has "USB: S3C2410 USB Deviced" |
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| 16:49.57 | mmontour | If the stdin/out/err are set to "serial" then it will print "In: serial" etc. |
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| 16:51.00 | mmontour | If it is set to USB console then you should see /dev/ttyACM0 appear on your PC once u-boot starts (as long as the Neo USB is plugged in and you have the "cdc_acm" kernel module loaded) |
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| 17:08.36 | Damien__ | mmontour: this is what uboot shows on /dev/ttyUSB1 |
| 17:08.43 | Damien__ | U-Boot 1.3.01.3.0+git20071201+svnr3484 (Dec 1 2007 - 14:22:42) |
| 17:08.47 | Damien__ | DRAM: 128 MB |
| 17:08.49 | roh | emdete weird problem |
| 17:08.51 | Damien__ | NAND: 64 MiB |
| 17:08.55 | Damien__ | *** Warning - bad CRC or NAND, using default environment |
| 17:09.07 | Damien__ | Video: 640x480x8 31kHz 59Hz |
| 17:09.11 | Damien__ | USB: S3C2410 USB Deviced |
| 17:09.15 | Damien__ | mtdparts variable not set, see 'help mtdparts' |
| 17:09.16 | Damien__ | Clearing SETUP_END |
| 17:10.01 | NineX | Damien__: it's ok you have clear nand you must create badblocks table do dynpart and dynenv |
| 17:10.50 | NineX | Damien__: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Migration_to_bad_block_tolerant_builds |
| 17:11.19 | Damien__ | hmm, after having rebooted my computer - I'm able to talk to uboot via /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 17:11.22 | Damien__ | thanx |
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| 17:12.30 | Damien__ | btw. can I modify the partitions by simply setting mtdparts? |
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| 17:13.45 | mmontour | Damien__: you may also need to use the "dynenv" command to set the correct offset of the u-boot environment |
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| 17:16.30 | Tek_Grml1 | hello |
| 17:16.44 | Tek_Grml1 | does someonw know how to get the battery status from the command prompt |
| 17:16.58 | Tek_Grml1 | ? |
| 17:17.57 | dcordes | apm? |
| 17:23.30 | Tek_Grml1 | apm gives the charging state, but I would like to know how charged it is |
| 17:23.54 | Tek_Grml1 | maybe it has to be not charging to see? |
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| 17:26.41 | Tek_Grml1 | looks like when charging the battery status is hidden |
| 17:26.46 | Tek_Grml1 | thanks for the hlpe |
| 17:26.48 | Tek_Grml1 | help |
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| 17:28.51 | dcordes | Tek_Grml1, you're welcome |
| 17:29.14 | Marcel_M | Tek_GRML |
| 17:29.36 | Marcel_M | Tek_Grml1: look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery_Charger |
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| 17:35.51 | Tek_Grml1 | thanks for the info, but for now I am just interested in reading the status |
| 17:36.00 | Tek_Grml1 | apm is good enough for now |
| 17:36.24 | Tek_Grml1 | I was always using it over ssh so didn't realize it gave the status when not charging |
| 17:36.28 | Tek_Grml1 | just being dumb |
| 17:37.51 | dcordes | Tek_Grml1, possibly there is a bit to print charging state even when charging? |
| 17:38.51 | dcordes | On-line, battery charging: 68% (I run a different distro on a different machine though) |
| 17:38.59 | dcordes | on apm w/o anything added |
| 17:39.17 | dcordes | Tek_Grml1, try apm --verbose |
| 17:39.57 | Damien__ | hm, my neo still doesn't power up.. I issued dynpart, dynenv set u-boot_env, saveenv, load_binary /home/OpenMoko/u-boot.bin 0x32000000, nand write.e 0x32000000 0 0x347AC |
| 17:40.05 | Damien__ | any ideas |
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| 17:41.13 | Tek_Grml1 | verbose just gives me the kernal info |
| 17:41.31 | Tek_Grml1 | what I have is good enough for now |
| 17:41.47 | Tek_Grml1 | good to know the results are different for a dif distro/machine though |
| 17:42.57 | DukeOfURL | thermonuclear device |
| 17:43.07 | dcordes | Tek_Grml1, guess it's just due to different version of apm. 3.2.1 here |
| 17:43.26 | Tek_Grml1 | maybe |
| 17:43.37 | Tek_Grml1 | I will goof about with it |
| 17:43.40 | Tek_Grml1 | see what comes up |
| 17:44.49 | dcordes | DukeOfURL, your neo has a reactor? |
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| 17:45.31 | DukeOfURL | sorry, wrong chat room |
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| 17:48.18 | Tek_Grml1 | the reactor is his solution to the crappy charging situation |
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| 17:50.34 | bkruse_home | any suggest a wiki page for integrating your application into openmoko? (eg gtk information, directory structure, how I should position my svn for easy install/packaging) |
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| 17:55.09 | DukeOfURL | SpeedEvil: ping |
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| 17:58.08 | zash | when can i buy a nuclear powerplant in the size of a mobile phone battery |
| 17:58.45 | DukeOfURL | I saw something yesterday about a new battery technology--charge in 5 minutes |
| 17:58.53 | DukeOfURL | Toshiba I think |
| 17:59.05 | LaF0rge | duke: sounds dangerous, very fast chemical reactions... |
| 17:59.25 | DukeOfURL | I'll see if I can find the reference |
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| 18:00.28 | DukeOfURL | LaF0rge: have you seen the videos of the Li-ion batteries catching fire? |
| 18:00.38 | DukeOfURL | dangerous |
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| 18:01.02 | bkruse_home | LaF0rge: I took up what you said on the mailing list awhile ago, writing an iaxclient for moko |
| 18:03.43 | LaF0rge | bkruse: good luck! |
| 18:04.33 | bkruse_home | LaF0rge: almost done :] |
| 18:04.49 | bkruse_home | just porting a gtk+ one I wrote a couple months ago |
| 18:05.03 | dcordes | LaF0rge, did you speak to cr2 yet :) ? |
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| 18:06.50 | LaF0rge | cr2? |
| 18:07.08 | LaF0rge | no, I didn't. why should I? |
| 18:07.14 | LaF0rge | did i miss something? |
| 18:07.35 | dcordes | yes, htc guy. Said he tried to contact you about kaiser |
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| 18:08.01 | LaF0rge | interesting. how did he try? |
| 18:08.07 | dcordes | I think he mailed |
| 18:08.18 | dcordes | we have done more then you thought yet I think |
| 18:08.47 | LaF0rge | dcordes: he sent me links to the xda-developers wiki, and that information I already had, obviously |
| 18:09.52 | dcordes | ah ok then. I guess that is memory map, irq, gpio, cpld, mdp and mddi? |
| 18:11.37 | LaF0rge | dcordes: yes. did you also loook at the linux-msm.git tree from google? that also has some interesting info |
| 18:11.56 | LaF0rge | I was actually looking at the radio/modem part, not at at the wm6 side anyway |
| 18:12.40 | dcordes | cr2 took most of the cpld and also other things from it. Me and pH5 already did minor changes on it adding up kaiser machine type and tried to add vsfb (vsfb does not work actually because kaiser has that different fb) |
| 18:13.33 | edistar | LaF0rge: can you say why you are looking at the kaiser? |
| 18:13.34 | dcordes | LaF0rge, do they have modem drivers yet? |
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| 18:20.39 | mimecar | hi |
| 18:20.44 | edistar | mimecar: hi |
| 18:20.48 | mimecar | what's the window manager openmoko use ? |
| 18:22.43 | olv | mimecar: matchbox |
| 18:23.03 | mimecar | version 1.2 or the new version (2) ? |
| 18:23.22 | mmontour | Can anyone here apply a small fix to the uboot-openmoko_svn.bb recipe? |
| 18:23.42 | mmontour | do_svnrev() has "echo ${PV} >>tools/setlocalversion", should be "${LOCALVERSION}" |
| 18:24.30 | mmontour | Also it looks like the $PV prefix should be bumped from 1.3.0 to 1.3.1 |
| 18:25.23 | LaF0rge | dcordes: yes, it seems to contain the modem drivers, but that was just from the first glance |
| 18:25.42 | mimecar | olv: it looks different from other matchbox theme I saw |
| 18:26.03 | LaF0rge | edistar: see my last post to lkml ;) |
| 18:27.01 | LaF0rge | http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/12/14/105 |
| 18:29.46 | dcordes | didn't know kaiser's radio ran linux |
| 18:30.07 | LaF0rge | it doesn't, at least i don't believe so |
| 18:30.33 | dcordes | LaF0rge, do you think with the given information it will be possible to create a display driver by now? |
| 18:31.04 | LaF0rge | dcordes: I thought the google git tree contains a msm_fb.c driver that does what it's supposed to do? |
| 18:31.45 | dcordes | LaF0rge, not for our topoly display I think http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=KaiserMDDI |
| 18:32.19 | dcordes | at least there have to cahnges to be met in order to make it work. cr2 told me he was going to sort out some registers required |
| 18:33.00 | LaF0rge | sure, the display model is different. I didn't do a lot of ressarch on this, though. |
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| 18:33.08 | dcordes | LaF0rge, I tried to boot linux-msm with vsfb integrated and no luck |
| 18:33.29 | LaF0rge | vsfb? |
| 18:33.35 | dcordes | very simple framebuffer |
| 18:33.47 | LaF0rge | i.e. a virtual fb? |
| 18:33.51 | bkruse_home | you can have a simple framebuffer/ lol |
| 18:34.12 | dcordes | LaF0rge, would you like to see the diff? |
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| 18:34.26 | LaF0rge | dcordes: no, thanks, I have lots of other work to do ;) |
| 18:34.33 | LaF0rge | dcordes: did you get something on usb? |
| 18:34.44 | LaF0rge | i.e. if the kernel comes up, the usb device driver should appear as some usb device |
| 18:34.55 | LaF0rge | also, did somebody yet find the serial pads on the pcb? |
| 18:34.56 | dcordes | nada. we lack info there too. There are odd differences between our usb and msm one's |
| 18:35.06 | LaF0rge | furthermore, has somebody information on the bootloader commandset? |
| 18:35.10 | dcordes | linux-msm tree uses different addresses or so |
| 18:35.27 | dcordes | LaF0rge, no. I don't think anybody of us opened it yet |
| 18:35.53 | dcordes | we have the spl. don't know how far cr2 has done research on it yet |
| 18:36.00 | dcordes | I hope he will appear on #htc-linux later |
| 18:36.38 | LaF0rge | spl is what exactly? |
| 18:36.48 | dcordes | some part of the bootloader |
| 18:37.08 | LaF0rge | dcordes: I will put my pcb photographs later online |
| 18:37.12 | olv | mimecar: http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/matchbox/ |
| 18:37.16 | LaF0rge | I've removed all the shielding parts that were in the way |
| 18:37.20 | dcordes | can't detail on it. I don't have too much experience. all this is pretty new to me |
| 18:37.20 | mimecar | ok, thanks |
| 18:37.40 | dcordes | LaF0rge, cool :) I've only seen the fcc ones which are wacky |
| 18:37.42 | mimecar | olv: it's a theme only ?? |
| 18:37.47 | mimecar | it's a big change |
| 18:38.20 | dcordes | mimecar, see |
| 18:38.23 | dcordes | #angstrom |
| 18:43.18 | LaF0rge | dcordes: uploading the pix to my server now, whom should I mail with the results? is there a good mailinglist with regard to htc-linux development? forums suck badly |
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| 19:10.53 | goxboxlive | LaF0rge: This is our ML: https://www.handhelds.org/mailman/listinfo/htc-pxa |
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| 19:13.27 | Vegar | that site certainly needs new certificates |
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| 19:25.14 | _Damien_ | hi.. I'm still trying to get my neo back to work.. I already stored the uboot image to nand (via nand write.e 0x32000000 0 0x347AC) that I'loaded to RAM (load_binary /home/OpenMoko/u-boot.bin 0x32000000) before.. |
| 19:25.27 | magellan | does anyone want to lend their troubleshooting mind to running a application on the openmoko for the first time |
| 19:25.36 | _Damien_ | but the display stays black |
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| 19:27.18 | magellan | I built my app, then compiled and ran it under linux host to make sure it would work, then built it for the moko then packaged it, then transfered it and installed it. When I run it for the first time, I get an error. Syntax error:"(" expected. |
| 19:27.22 | magellan | any thoughts? |
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| 19:29.46 | mmontour | _Damien_: once you have u-boot running and $mtdparts set up, you should be able to use dfu-util (instead of nand write) to flash the new u-boot |
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| 19:44.52 | _Damien_ | mmontour: dfu-utils doesn't seem to work and shows this error 'Cannot claim interface: could not claim interface 2: No such file or directory' |
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| 19:52.10 | mmontour | I don't recognize that error. Maybe unplug/replug the Neo USB and try again? What does "dfu-util -l" show? |
| 19:52.58 | _Damien_ | dfu-util -l shows: Found Runtime: [0x1457:0x5119] devnum=60, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade" |
| 19:53.37 | mmontour | That looks normal. |
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| 20:00.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1135 has been created by kousue(AT)gmail.com |
| 20:00.01 | cdbot2 | * * Suspend crashes |
| 20:00.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1135 |
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| 20:09.33 | _Damien_ | mmontour: sorry, the problem was that I had connected the phone via the usb hub provided by the debug board |
| 20:09.56 | _Damien_ | thanx for your help |
| 20:11.42 | mbuf | is there a wiki page listing IRC nick-names against developer real names? |
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| 20:24.31 | _Damien_ | my neo still doesn't comes up.. could it be that the u-boot environment is wrong? |
| 20:24.48 | _Damien_ | would that prevent the device from booting? |
| 20:24.55 | mjr | yes |
| 20:25.21 | _Damien_ | and how can I reset the environment? |
| 20:25.49 | mbuf | _Damien_, come up = ? |
| 20:26.26 | _Damien_ | mbuf: come up = boot |
| 20:26.44 | _Damien_ | I can't switch it on anymore |
| 20:27.07 | mbuf | _Damien_, did you flash any image? or battery in deep sleep? or low power? |
| 20:28.22 | _Damien_ | mbuf: yes, I flashed uboot, uImage and the rootfs.. via jtag I'm able to switch the device on - so the battery should be fine |
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| 20:30.11 | mbuf | _Damien_, if rootfs is smaller than previous image on device, you had to do 'nand erase rootfs' from u-boot |
| 20:30.40 | mmontour | _Damien_: Did you run the 'dynpart', 'saveenv', and 'dynenv set' u-boot commands? |
| 20:33.01 | _Damien_ | mmontour: yes |
| 20:33.07 | mmontour | Oh, you probably also need to flash the splash-screen image with dfu-util. |
| 20:34.15 | mmontour | If you're booting the neo while connected to the debug board, check in openocd to see if it's halted (and if so, "resume" it) |
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| 20:38.47 | edistar | LaF0rge: if it is the case that there is linux code in the radio part, what would that implicate? |
| 20:38.56 | _Damien_ | now I'm able to power on the phone |
| 20:39.08 | _Damien_ | after having flashed the splash |
| 20:39.29 | _Damien_ | but no splash is shown and the boot menu is missing |
| 20:39.52 | CoreDump | yay for not using the devirginator..... |
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| 20:40.48 | _Damien_ | mbuf: rootfs is exactly the same as before |
| 20:40.55 | mbuf | _Damien_, ok |
| 20:41.04 | _Damien_ | (before I killed my phone ;-) |
| 20:41.44 | mmontour | So when you turn it on you can talk to it over JTAG and see that the CPU is running, but nothing else? Black screen, no /dev/ttyACM device, no text on the USB1 serial console? |
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| 20:43.03 | mmontour | Once you can boot into a u-boot console (without loading it over JTAG), the rest should be easy to fix. |
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| 20:45.00 | _Damien_ | I already see a basic uboot screen (tux and a version string) - but no but menu is shown.. and I can access it via /dev/ttyACM0.. so I don't need JTAG anymore |
| 20:45.28 | _Damien_ | thanx for your ongoing help |
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| 20:46.08 | _Damien_ | I'll investigate this later since I have to go now... |
| 20:46.41 | mmontour | OK, the next step would be to run 'printenv' and see what needs to be fixed in the environment (the wiki should have some reference configurations) |
| 20:47.17 | _Damien_ | ah ok, is it possible to delete environment variables |
| 20:48.46 | mmontour | "setenv foo" (with no 2nd parameter) |
| 20:49.12 | _Damien_ | ok, thank you so much.. bye |
| 20:49.25 | mmontour | np, bye. |
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| 21:20.51 | zilux | hi |
| 21:21.08 | zilux | do some of you use gdb under the neo? |
| 21:21.22 | zilux | I have issues with symbols... |
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| 21:39.42 | balrog-kun | zilux: whatkind of issues? |
| 21:44.39 | zilux | I can not read the sources |
| 21:44.44 | zilux | using gdb natively |
| 21:45.16 | zilux | the sequence followed: |
| 21:45.30 | zilux | ipkg install a_package |
| 21:45.36 | zilux | ipkg install a_package-dbg |
| 21:45.50 | zilux | I have the sources available under the neo via nfs |
| 21:46.09 | balrog-kun | is your working directory in the root of the source tree? |
| 21:46.11 | zilux | then gdn the-runtime |
| 21:46.29 | zilux | no, but |
| 21:46.38 | zilux | I launch gdb under this directory |
| 21:46.46 | zilux | the source dir |
| 21:47.09 | zilux | there are perhaps a number of |
| 21:47.18 | balrog-kun | what's the message from gdb btw? |
| 21:47.24 | zilux | other -dbg packages to install? |
| 21:47.32 | zilux | nothing weird |
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| 21:47.36 | zilux | list |
| 21:47.45 | zilux | give a ? |
| 21:48.31 | balrog-kun | you said it cannot read the sources |
| 21:48.35 | balrog-kun | how do you know? |
| 21:49.28 | zilux | for answering more precisely |
| 21:49.44 | zilux | here is what I get |
| 21:49.48 | zilux | (gdb) list |
| 21:49.48 | zilux | 1 /home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/gcc-cross-4.1.2-r12/gcc-4.1.2/gcc/config/arm/lib1funcs.asm: No such file or directory. |
| 21:49.48 | zilux | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.48 | zilux | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.34 | zilux | this package has been compiled by bitbake on my desktop |
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| 21:52.52 | zilux | it seems that a path is wrong |
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| 21:53.17 | balrog-kun | zilux: you're in a frame that's not part of the program you're debugging |
| 21:53.22 | balrog-kun | it's in gcclib |
| 21:53.29 | balrog-kun | or libgcc, i forgot |
| 21:53.46 | balrog-kun | zilux: try "up" in gdb until you reach a frame in your program |
| 21:53.54 | zilux | ok |
| 21:54.47 | zilux | the breakpoint is on main |
| 21:54.52 | zilux | I can't go up |
| 21:55.17 | balrog-kun | hmm, and it has hit the breakpoint? |
| 21:55.24 | zilux | yes |
| 21:55.37 | balrog-kun | what does bt show? |
| 21:56.00 | zilux | (gdb) bt |
| 21:56.00 | zilux | #0 0x00014300 in main () |
| 21:56.00 | zilux | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.12 | balrog-kun | sorry, i don't know why it is looking for a libgcc file then... maybe there's something wrong with the toolchain or gdb :/ |
| 21:57.31 | zilux | ok, thanks for your time |
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| 22:15.02 | zilux | just for info: in suppling lib1funcs.asm, gdb lists the assembly code |
| 22:15.07 | zilux | "Current language: auto; currently asm" |
| 22:15.27 | zilux | peobably my -dgb package is wrong :/ |
| 22:15.36 | zilux | dbg |
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| 22:19.09 | balrog-kun | zilux: what package was it and what was the gdb commandline? |
| 22:19.54 | zilux | I try to trace a crash in navit |
| 22:20.01 | zilux | gdb navit |
| 22:20.32 | zilux | some data are required in /home/root/.navit |
| 22:20.50 | zilux | this is navit from cvs |
| 22:20.51 | balrog-kun | doesn't the -dbg package install under a different name? |
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| 22:22.41 | zilux | ipkg files navit-dbg |
| 22:22.44 | zilux | seems ok |
| 22:23.11 | balrog-kun | yeah, but i imagine "navit" runs the stripped version, i don't know |
| 22:23.37 | balrog-kun | both executables shouldn't be under the same name |
| 22:23.41 | zilux | so how can we use the dbg files? |
| 22:23.54 | zilux | ok |
| 22:23.57 | zilux | :-) |
| 22:24.27 | balrog-kun | i don't know, is there some way to check what files got installed by the given ipkg? |
| 22:25.29 | zilux | ipkg files navit-dbg gives |
| 22:25.34 | zilux | /usr/bin/.debug/navit |
| 22:26.16 | balrog-kun | try gdb /usr/bin/.debug/navit |
| 22:26.23 | balrog-kun | from the source dir on the nfs |
| 22:28.30 | zilux | others issues... |
| 22:28.33 | zilux | http://pastebin.com/d524e27eb |
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| 22:29.33 | balrog-kun | humm |
| 22:29.43 | balrog-kun | maybe /usr/bin/.debug/navit is a script or somethign |
| 22:31.13 | new_bie | https://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/gta01/deploy/images/sjf2410 is down :( |
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| 22:32.36 | zilux | ok, it seems it would be better to rebuilt this binary :-) |
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| 22:41.49 | mmontour | new_bie: ScaredyCat's repository seems to have a version of it (http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/) |
| 22:45.02 | new_bie | thax mmontour |
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