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| 01:34.33 | moprilo | hi.. |
| 01:34.35 | moprilo | anyone here_ |
| 01:35.34 | ewon | everyone's asleep |
| 01:35.35 | moprilo | I just took a look to the last update, and they were looking for 850Mhz testers. Who should I speak to? |
| 01:36.07 | moprilo | mm :S |
| 01:36.07 | ewon | most of the people here are CET |
| 01:36.07 | moprilo | i see. |
| 01:36.07 | ewon | I'm PST, and hence awake :) |
| 01:36.07 | ewon | but I'm in no position to answer your question |
| 01:36.08 | ewon | sorry |
| 01:36.14 | moprilo | thanks anyway. |
| 01:36.54 | xzcvczx | moprilo: looking at last update i thought i read that there were enough already and they didnt need any more :S |
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| 02:43.48 | SpeedEvil | Anyone any ideas why the modem might say 'invalid index' when I ask for a list of SMSs? |
| 02:48.50 | SpeedEvil | Can anyone SMS something to 07943894922 (UK) - so I can see if it changes |
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| 02:58.37 | balrog-kun | i heard it says that when there are no messages |
| 02:59.06 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 02:59.22 | SpeedEvil | As I was reading it I should just get back an empty list |
| 02:59.51 | balrog-kun | yep, but that's not the case :P |
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| 03:45.43 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r3634 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/include/libgsmd/phonebook.h: gsmd: remove the redundant API of phonebook(Sean Chiang) |
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| 04:16.52 | dcordes | hey can somebody help me with bluetooth network? I'm trying to get pan working but can't find stuff in the wiki |
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| 04:29.42 | cjb_ie | SpeedEvil: did someone text you? |
| 04:32.52 | atul | CM, I try for new build "make openmoko-devel-image" It gives me error you can see here http://pastebin.ca/812987 any Idia |
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| 04:35.51 | anrp | /home/qvantel/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/include/c++/bits/stl_function.h may be damaged |
| 04:35.54 | anrp | post it? |
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| 06:07.46 | daMaestro | hmm it seems to take a while longer to register with att&t vs tmobile |
| 06:09.31 | linuxxr | so does at&t service this phone in the usa? |
| 06:09.58 | daMaestro | yes |
| 06:10.07 | daMaestro | some sim cards don't work, though |
| 06:10.46 | CM | daMaestro: What about with the new gsm firmware? |
| 06:10.57 | linuxxr | ybrads that dont? |
| 06:11.07 | daMaestro | linuxxr, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT |
| 06:11.09 | linuxxr | brands* |
| 06:11.35 | daMaestro | CM, how do we flash it? |
| 06:11.36 | CM | linuxxr: The early versions of the gsm firmware didn't handle newer 3G sim cards |
| 06:11.49 | CM | daMaestro: We can't yet, but they're working on that |
| 06:11.56 | daMaestro | CM, my point ;-) |
| 06:12.05 | CM | I have version 2 of the firmware, the latest is v6.. |
| 06:13.35 | daMaestro | 71234 O 4022 is the sim i have |
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| 06:34.11 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 06:46.58 | mbuf | Hopscotch, good morning |
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| 06:49.29 | daMaestro | hmm how do we set the localtime setting? ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/MST /etc/localtime didn't do it |
| 06:52.00 | daMaestro | ahh.. it does work |
| 06:52.21 | abraxa__ | daMaestro: http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/nslu2-linux/setting-the-openmoko-timezone.html |
| 06:52.58 | daMaestro | abraxa__, thanks.. i had already done so |
| 06:54.08 | daMaestro | abraxa__, it is that /etc/profile is that sets TZ .... |
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| 06:54.46 | daMaestro | s/e is that/is what/ |
| 06:55.03 | daMaestro | lol.. watching mythtv via Miro.. sorry |
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| 06:58.50 | dkj10738 | /channels |
| 06:59.33 | daMaestro | abraxa__, you know.... the UI still has the incorrect (UTC) time |
| 07:00.21 | daMaestro | root@fic-gta01:~$ date |
| 07:00.21 | daMaestro | Tue Dec 11 23:57:37 MST 2007 |
| 07:00.23 | daMaestro | this is fine |
| 07:01.50 | xzcvczx | daMaestro: waht is mst? |
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| 07:03.45 | daMaestro | -6UTC |
| 07:03.55 | daMaestro | hmm -7UTC |
| 07:04.05 | daMaestro | it seems MDT is -6UTC |
| 07:04.06 | xzcvczx | what does the m stand for |
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| 07:04.13 | daMaestro | mountain standard time |
| 07:04.20 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 07:04.24 | daMaestro | (the other is mountain daylight time) |
| 07:04.42 | daMaestro | lol |
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| 07:06.36 | lut4rp | hello people, im new to openmoko development |
| 07:06.50 | xzcvczx | good to know lut4rp |
| 07:06.57 | xzcvczx | nothing wrong with some new blood |
| 07:07.06 | lut4rp | thanks xzcvczx |
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| 07:07.18 | xzcvczx | lut4rp: you got any projects in mind? |
| 07:07.43 | lut4rp | xzcvczx, not yet, im not sure where i can help out |
| 07:08.02 | xzcvczx | whats your interest/abilities |
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| 07:08.28 | lut4rp | xzcvczx, i can do c, c++. also avidly into python these days |
| 07:08.54 | xzcvczx | fair enuff |
| 07:09.11 | xzcvczx | have you looked on projects.om.org to see whether there is anything that you fancy? |
| 07:09.37 | lut4rp | yes, the pymoko project did catch my eye |
| 07:09.53 | lut4rp | the project leader there is my mentor |
| 07:10.09 | lut4rp | im doing comp sc engineering |
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| 07:11.01 | xzcvczx | oh yup |
| 07:11.08 | lut4rp | but i am still not _that_ python proficient so as to help him out |
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| 07:12.18 | lut4rp | xzcvczx, how can i get started? i read somewhere that i can compile the OS on my pc as well? |
| 07:15.18 | CM | lut4rp: What os? |
| 07:15.33 | CM | A good start is trying to get familiar with openembedded and bitbake |
| 07:15.41 | lut4rp | CM, the openmoko OS |
| 07:15.53 | lut4rp | forgive me if i m dead wrong somewhere :) |
| 07:15.58 | CM | Yes, but I which one do you have on your pc? :) |
| 07:16.12 | lut4rp | im running ubuntu 7.10 |
| 07:16.25 | CM | Ok, should work well then |
| 07:16.38 | CM | The wiki has some good instructions on how to get started |
| 07:16.39 | CM | I' |
| 07:16.47 | CM | I'd recommend using the makefile |
| 07:17.22 | daMaestro | CM, any way to *make* the UI display in local time? |
| 07:18.05 | CM | daMaestro: For some reason it has always doen that for me, so I've never really looked at it |
| 07:18.15 | daMaestro | ok |
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| 07:18.28 | CM | lut4rp: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile |
| 07:18.44 | lut4rp | CM, thanks, let me see into it |
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| 07:28.23 | blindcoder | moin |
| 07:31.22 | codyl | can somebody point me to a wiki link to the page about getting your neo to come back to life after sitting? |
| 07:31.31 | codyl | I can |
| 07:31.37 | codyl | ** I can't remember all the steps |
| 07:31.50 | xzcvczx | take battery out for 5 mins |
| 07:31.54 | xzcvczx | then plug in |
| 07:32.16 | codyl | xzcvczx, five minutes?! |
| 07:32.18 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 07:32.24 | codyl | I pulled it out for about 90 seconds |
| 07:32.25 | SpeedEvil | maybe more |
| 07:32.31 | codyl | okay, pulling out it for longer now |
| 07:32.51 | SpeedEvil | in most cases 10s works - it has been reported some peope need more |
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| 07:33.01 | lut4rp | Woah, the MokoMakefile build takes 5 hours? |
| 07:33.09 | codyl | SpeedEvil, hey again, thanks |
| 07:33.20 | SpeedEvil | lut4rp: often much longer |
| 07:33.46 | SpeedEvil | lut4rp: it's building a whole distribution, X, GTK, libc, .. |
| 07:33.48 | CM | lut4rp: For me about 10.5h on the first build |
| 07:34.09 | CM | Using an amd64 3000+ with 1gb ram |
| 07:34.33 | lut4rp | hmm, i have a core2duo 2.8 ghz with 2 gb ram |
| 07:35.17 | xzcvczx | codyl: just being on safe side/worst case scenario |
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| 07:42.07 | fish__ | damn.. so GTA02 will not be ready before march? if i knew that a few month ago i had brought a GTA01.. :/ i ask LaF0rge (at least i guess he was it) on the cccamp07 because i tought already that i will not be done this year. but he says that they are on schedule.. well okay than i'll have to wait till march.. or maybe buy a used GTA01? someone intrested selling it? ;) |
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| 07:58.10 | daMaestro | fish__, i might be (but doubt it) |
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| 08:11.24 | codyl | anyone on AT&T get their SIM card contacts and messages to show up under Qt/E ? |
| 08:17.06 | mickeyl | nah, don't sell the gta01 |
| 08:17.12 | mickeyl | they might be collector's items soon |
| 08:17.17 | mickeyl | :) |
| 08:20.19 | CM | It's definitely a limited edition :) |
| 08:20.28 | mickeyl | yea |
| 08:20.59 | mudyc | it's like greenphone |
| 08:21.04 | mickeyl | right |
| 08:21.05 | daMaestro | codyl, as best i can tell.. no |
| 08:21.21 | CM | mudyc: Just not as ugly.. ;) |
| 08:21.38 | daMaestro | or as expensive (and doesn't have a useless sdk) ;-) |
| 08:21.45 | mickeyl | i could sell my gta02v1 preproduction model... if you don't mind a stench |
| 08:21.47 | mickeyl | *g* |
| 08:21.57 | CM | Hehe |
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| 08:22.26 | vikramb11 | hi... |
| 08:23.14 | vikramb11 | how network related stuff is managed in openmoko ? i mean dose it usees gnome network manager |
| 08:23.37 | codyl | daMaestro, people have said their SIM data works, whats up with AT&T |
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| 08:25.39 | CM | vikramb11: No, not using network manager as far as I know |
| 08:26.24 | vikramb11 | thanx CM. So how the connections are managed then ? |
| 08:26.27 | CM | vikramb11: gta01 only have gprs, bluetooth and usb networking, and there's not so much to manage yet |
| 08:26.36 | vikramb11 | oh |
| 08:26.43 | CM | vikramb11: I've only used usb myself so far |
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| 08:27.15 | CM | But someone here had a script or something that used usb if it was available, then bluetooth, and last resort gprs |
| 08:27.30 | vikramb11 | CM : oh ok |
| 08:27.37 | CM | vikramb11: GTA02, that will be released next year will have wlan also |
| 08:28.11 | vikramb11 | CM: ok.. |
| 08:28.24 | vikramb11 | cm : and would possibly have NM |
| 08:28.39 | CM | vikramb11: I guess it could :) |
| 08:28.49 | vikramb11 | CM : In current svn ....Where can i find related stuff in the source tree ... |
| 08:28.58 | vikramb11 | cm : i mean the script etc |
| 08:32.25 | CM | I don't think that "fallback" script is in any public svn yet |
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| 08:32.40 | CM | Can't remember who made it |
| 08:33.20 | CM | vikramb11: In general OpenMoko use a lot of OpenEmbedded, since that's the system used to build it |
| 08:34.09 | torpor | anyone know if settingsgui is properly handling gprs config yet/ |
| 08:34.10 | torpor | ? |
| 08:35.00 | CM | vikramb11: Also, check Angstrom, since those packages work on OpenMoko too. NetworkManager is already packaged for it |
| 08:36.10 | vikramb11 | CM : Ok ..what is libmokonet doing there ? |
| 08:36.39 | CM | No idea :) |
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| 08:37.40 | duffyd | hi anyone know if SMS is working in any of the recent OM snapshots? |
| 08:39.13 | CM | duffyd: i've heard that it does, but haven't tried myself yet |
| 08:39.24 | duffyd | CM: ok thanks |
| 08:39.53 | CM | Were some issues with recieving sms from numbers not in the addressbook, but I think that was fixed yesterday or so. |
| 08:40.01 | CM | Lots of progress around that right now :) |
| 08:40.13 | duffyd | CM: ok cool :) ScaredyCat's repo? |
| 08:40.49 | CM | It's a good place to look, but he's been a bit busy lately not sure how recent the builds are |
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| 08:41.45 | duffyd | CM: ok cool |
| 08:42.19 | CM | I have a rootfs built yesterday, but I haven't tested it yet |
| 08:42.30 | duffyd | ok |
| 08:43.22 | CM | duffyd: Test if you want. It's standard OpenMoko, but bleeding edge and automatic srcrev http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/current/images/neo1973/ |
| 08:44.23 | duffyd | CM: thanks. I'm still wondering how do I import the contacts from my SIM :( |
| 08:44.38 | duffyd | thought it was fairly basic functionality (maybe I'm just stupid) |
| 08:44.59 | CM | It should be, but maybe it's not implemented right yet |
| 08:45.41 | duffyd | ok, one other thing I was *just wanting* to do is copy my cal from Evolution to OM - have you tried this? |
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| 08:49.08 | ljp | hmm.. useless sdk, hey |
| 08:50.41 | CM | ljp: Hehe, I almost poked you when that was mentioned ;) |
| 08:50.54 | daMaestro | i've never used it, sorry |
| 08:51.02 | daMaestro | it was a poke at the fact the sdk was not Free |
| 08:51.13 | CM | daMaestro: So you meant userless? ;) |
| 08:51.39 | daMaestro | i meant no offense, so yes, i meant userless |
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| 08:59.30 | ljp | sdk is free |
| 09:00.04 | ljp | there will be a qtopia sdk fo rthe neo as well |
| 09:00.13 | CM | Oh, cool :) |
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| 09:03.43 | mickeyl | LaF0rge: ping |
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| 09:05.24 | torpor | what sdk? |
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| 09:06.14 | ljp | qtopia sdk for the neo |
| 09:06.46 | torpor | ah |
| 09:06.55 | torpor | any good reasons to use it instead of openmoko? |
| 09:07.46 | ljp | i think so |
| 09:07.57 | mickeyl | heh |
| 09:08.00 | CM | torpor: Hehe, know who you're asking? |
| 09:08.03 | torpor | such as? |
| 09:08.14 | torpor | CM: the channel |
| 09:08.52 | torpor | why would i use qtopia instead of openmoko? and how can i guarantee that my app will run on the majority of neo phones? |
| 09:08.54 | ljp | it has worldtime! of course |
| 09:09.28 | torpor | will the qtopia camp get more involved in hacking up uboot to make dual-boot easier, thus making 'switchers' lives simpler? |
| 09:09.48 | torpor | will there be a qtopia layer in openmoko so that i can just point qtopia users to an .ipk and they'll still be happy?? |
| 09:10.01 | torpor | i mean, honest: the point of a qtopia port is to *hinder* neo development. |
| 09:12.13 | ljp | umm. no |
| 09:12.32 | ljp | for one, the neo is shippe without an operating system |
| 09:12.52 | torpor | no it isn't. its shipped with openmoko onboard. |
| 09:13.03 | torpor | mine came with openmoko. |
| 09:13.05 | duffyd | ljp: (just realised who you are :) do you know if I can copy my Evolution calendar.ics into qtopia and use it? |
| 09:13.10 | torpor | every other neo i've seen has run openmoko |
| 09:13.16 | xzcvczx | duffyd: lol greaser :P |
| 09:13.33 | xzcvczx | p1 devices came with no rootfs os |
| 09:13.37 | ljp | not sure if it has ics support |
| 09:13.37 | torpor | i don't get the point of qtopia, other than to fracture the movement. |
| 09:13.41 | duffyd | xzcvczx: hey |
| 09:13.54 | ljp | qtopia has been around for many years |
| 09:14.04 | duffyd | ljp: ok, so in other words can't just use my evo calendar in qtopia? |
| 09:14.05 | torpor | xzcvczx: every one of 3 neo's i have, came with om boot. |
| 09:14.12 | xzcvczx | ljp: yeah thats what i thought..... openmoko is the spanner in hte works of the 2 |
| 09:14.15 | xzcvczx | no offence guys |
| 09:14.27 | torpor | ljp: this 'many years' excuse is no good argument. OS/2 has been around for many years too. |
| 09:14.28 | ljp | torpor: not one of ours has any kinds of operating system on it |
| 09:14.34 | xzcvczx | torpor: then that was very unusual |
| 09:14.52 | ljp | torpor: well, then you could say om is fracturing the 'movement' |
| 09:15.01 | ljp | its all about choice anyway |
| 09:15.05 | torpor | can i write a qtopia app and run it on openmoko? or do i have to enforce that my users install qtopia too. |
| 09:15.08 | xzcvczx | torpor: so as soon as you turned them on the phone would boot fully up to OM2007,1? |
| 09:15.15 | torpor | xzcvczx: yup |
| 09:15.40 | torpor | the point is this (and i know i'm sniping here, for a reason): why should i favour that my users use qtopia over openmoko? |
| 09:15.58 | xzcvczx | you shouldnt favour as such |
| 09:16.02 | xzcvczx | allow them to use either |
| 09:16.09 | torpor | from the perspective of an applications developer, the existence of qtopia on the neo hasn't justified itself. i want to know what the big deal is. |
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| 09:16.16 | ljp | because its a more mature system |
| 09:16.38 | torpor | i see. the 'maturity' argument again. |
| 09:16.44 | xzcvczx | torpor: qtopia is fully choice..... its a bit like installing windowsXP on your mac using bootcamp |
| 09:16.58 | torpor | the thing is: why would i want to do it? there still is no short, sweet answer. |
| 09:17.05 | torpor | and in fact, that may be the answer itself: there is no reason. |
| 09:17.30 | torpor | other than 'maturity', but we all know that openmoko isn't ready yet. and by the time there are customers for my apps, this will have changed. |
| 09:17.44 | ljp | well, any reason I come up with, you are going to shoot it down, because you have your mind made up about it |
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| 09:17.53 | torpor | ljp: not true |
| 09:18.06 | torpor | i want you to give me a really good answer. you haven't done that yet, because maybe you don't know, or can't be bothered? |
| 09:18.21 | xzcvczx | torpor: is it possible to develop your application for both as some will want to use one and some will want to use the other. |
| 09:18.21 | torpor | but the thing is: i'm an app developer for these phones. i'm building serious apps for this segment. |
| 09:18.31 | torpor | and i want a good reason why i should target qtopia over openmoko. |
| 09:18.32 | ljp | i have offered many good reasons |
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| 09:18.38 | torpor | ljp: you have not |
| 09:18.43 | duffyd | eye candy? |
| 09:18.43 | torpor | you have only said 'we are older' and thats all. |
| 09:18.47 | CM | Well, om uses X and qtopia a fb or? |
| 09:18.49 | torpor | eye candy! great! |
| 09:18.54 | duffyd | KDE-lookalike |
| 09:18.56 | duffyd | widgets |
| 09:18.56 | ljp | obviouslt stabulity and maturity arent good enough for you and thats fine |
| 09:19.00 | duffyd | torpor: ;) |
| 09:19.02 | torpor | is "the fact you can code in qt" an answer? |
| 09:19.08 | CM | qt libs and c++ |
| 09:19.26 | ljp | ok, give me one good reason why i should use openmoko? |
| 09:19.35 | torpor | ljp: stability and maturity? openmoko is stable, and its maturity is told by the progress since i've been targeting it: excellent. |
| 09:20.18 | torpor | ljp: this is an opportunity for *you* to sell *me* not the other way around. you're the one offering a completely alternative OS framework for the phone i'm already writing apps for .. |
| 09:20.21 | xzcvczx | gsmd when i last used it (about a month ago) was anything BUT stable.... sorry if this has been fixed |
| 09:20.41 | torpor | xzcvczx: okay, you got me there. gsmd on om has blown. |
| 09:20.47 | torpor | but it has also made serious progress. |
| 09:20.57 | mickeyl | what i'd love to see |
| 09:21.01 | torpor | what i want is a really compelling reason why i should tell my customers to run qtopia instead of OM. |
| 09:21.03 | mickeyl | is TT cooperating with us on the middleware |
| 09:21.27 | xzcvczx | mickeyl: you missed the "hint hint" :P |
| 09:21.31 | torpor | i don't see any reason to run qtopia yet. but i'm willing to be thats because of my own ignorance. so i ask: whats so great about qtopia? |
| 09:21.41 | mickeyl | xzcvczx: heh, i said that before but it remained unheard... |
| 09:21.44 | torpor | and i'm told "its older" |
| 09:21.51 | mickeyl | i guess i have to call David myself |
| 09:22.33 | torpor | answer this, someone who knows: can qtopia and om apps run on each others OS's esily enough? is there a way to do it, such as with KDE/Gnome apps on the desktop co-existing? |
| 09:22.38 | xzcvczx | mickeyl: and what do you define as the middleware? |
| 09:22.47 | torpor | because if the answer is that qtopia lets you run OM apps as well as QT apps, then thats a good answer. |
| 09:22.59 | ljp | there is a way to do it' |
| 09:23.07 | mickeyl | xzcvczx: phone server, device daemon, PIM storage model |
| 09:23.10 | mickeyl | ... |
| 09:23.17 | xzcvczx | ah kewl |
| 09:23.23 | torpor | ljp: great, how does it work? i have an OM .ipk, i wanna put it on a qtopia-running phone. possible? |
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| 09:24.50 | duffyd | I'm off nite all |
| 09:24.58 | xzcvczx | night duffyd |
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| 09:25.47 | torpor | i know a software company that writes commercial apps with Qt, they love it. they freakin' love it. but it could just be because they're norwegian. i'd love to know if that enthusiasm is gonna show up around the neo1973 camp one of these days .. |
| 09:26.15 | mbuf | torpor, they don't hire consultants though |
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| 09:26.26 | xzcvczx | you cant expect om to run gtk and qt |
| 09:26.28 | torpor | who? |
| 09:26.53 | mbuf | torpor, trolltech? |
| 09:27.02 | torpor | xzcvczx: precisely why i think qtopia is a hindrance. it would be a *true* choice if qtopia apps could run on OM and vice versa, but since this isn't happening, its a dilemna, not a solution. |
| 09:27.22 | torpor | mbuf: the company i'm talking about is a norwegian oil services co. who licensed Qt for their app development. |
| 09:27.28 | xzcvczx | torpor: that is not trolltechs problem so you should not be berating ljp over it |
| 09:27.31 | mbuf | torpor, i see |
| 09:28.15 | torpor | xzcvczx: its not trolltechs problem that OM apps can't run on Qtopia, or that developers when faced with the choice of which toolkit to use, want to go with the majority? i think you're mis-reading the framing of the argument. |
| 09:28.51 | torpor | if qtopia is suddenly *the* choice for the neo1973/GTA02 release, then i'd like to know the reasons why this may be the case. |
| 09:29.43 | torpor | its a serious issue: why should i, as a developer, target qtopia? are there going to be qtopia-base installed phones? |
| 09:30.15 | mickeyl | LaF0rge: ping |
| 09:30.35 | xzcvczx | torpor: well if i was in your situation i would decide on one or the other whether you prefer/are better at gtk or qt and make it for that one.. then if your application is popular enough i am sure you will find people who will be willing to help port it to the other |
| 09:31.21 | torpor | my applications are being targetted at companies like A1 (Austrian telco) and such. its an important issue. |
| 09:31.27 | ljp | qtopia is already in the market on consumer phones |
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| 09:31.50 | torpor | i'd be just as happy to use Qt as I am with GTK, if i knew that there was going to be an effort to support both on either distro release. |
| 09:31.52 | SpeedEvil | I'm trying to get my neo to see the net. I've never played with iptables before, but have just compiled a new kernel with it in. However, the wiki says 'iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24' - to which my box replies iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
| 09:31.55 | SpeedEvil | hints? |
| 09:32.22 | xzcvczx | then you missed one of the things in kernel i think |
| 09:32.40 | SpeedEvil | (after setting up routes) |
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| 09:32.40 | mudyc | torpor: why not provide both user interfaces and use generic engine? |
| 09:32.42 | xzcvczx | look for nat/masqurade in kernel |
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| 09:33.08 | torpor | mudyc: thats a good argument, why not indeed .. why not just write for Qt, and be able to run it under OpenMoko? |
| 09:33.13 | SpeedEvil | xzcvczx: I think I've ticked every one of several million options. :) I know it's got all_NAT or whatever it's called |
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| 09:33.32 | SpeedEvil | nf_nat |
| 09:33.35 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 09:33.56 | xzcvczx | i normally ended up recompiling up to 10 times to get it working |
| 09:34.08 | daMaestro | SpeedEvil, http://f3dora.org/paste/476 |
| 09:34.16 | daMaestro | and yes, that damn TG app is slow right now |
| 09:34.24 | daMaestro | that box is swapping hardcore /me goes to look |
| 09:34.36 | mudyc | torpor: well, is there any technical issues why it wouldn't be possible? |
| 09:34.58 | torpor | i guess thats why i'm asking the Qt experts .. |
| 09:35.17 | SpeedEvil | daMaestro: it barfs on the first iptables line |
| 09:35.20 | daMaestro | SpeedEvil, that is for host "plug-n-play" internet (plugging the neo into a linux machine) |
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| 09:36.18 | daMaestro | SpeedEvil, yeah.. missing kernel options :-/ |
| 09:36.45 | SpeedEvil | It'd be so nice if something'd say which :/ Oh well. make menuconfig |
| 09:36.48 | SpeedEvil | (again) |
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| 09:38.38 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: do you want a copy of my .config for comparison? |
| 09:39.21 | SpeedEvil | ah - I've got it - I think |
| 09:39.32 | SpeedEvil | suboption off NAT - not ticked |
| 09:39.42 | xzcvczx | which one? |
| 09:40.51 | SpeedEvil | netfileter->full NAT -> masqueratde target support |
| 09:41.10 | xzcvczx | that would help |
| 09:41.12 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:42.51 | mickeyl | hmm, the rokr in silver is nice. #http://www.osnews.com/img/15650/rokr-e2-1.jpg |
| 09:42.59 | mickeyl | i've seen it in black and didn#t like it |
| 09:44.26 | SpeedEvil | Thanks - 64 bytes from 209.85.173.103: icmp_seq=0 ttl=238 time=178.7 ms |
| 09:44.29 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 09:45.11 | xzcvczx | wow that was a quick recompile/reboot |
| 09:45.15 | xzcvczx | or did you just module it? |
| 09:45.39 | SpeedEvil | wc /proc/modules |
| 09:45.39 | SpeedEvil | 294 1764 14156 /proc/modules |
| 09:45.43 | torpor | woot! someone got Processing onboard!? http://scap.linuxtogo.org |
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| 10:03.58 | SpeedEvil | I have the nov snapshot - ipkg update fails - is this to be expected? |
| 10:04.25 | SpeedEvil | Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/all/Packages.gz |
| 10:04.26 | SpeedEvil | wget: server returned error 404: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found |
| 10:05.04 | mickeyl | yes |
| 10:05.13 | mickeyl | i broke the path |
| 10:05.18 | mickeyl | ~lart mickeyl |
| 10:05.18 | apt | hauls mickeyl up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
| 10:05.25 | SpeedEvil | I see. |
| 10:05.36 | mickeyl | but it shouldn't hurt |
| 10:05.39 | mickeyl | ipkg will just continue |
| 10:05.45 | mickeyl | and use the main feed |
| 10:05.46 | mickeyl | s |
| 10:05.56 | mickeyl | we're going to add this directory soon |
| 10:05.58 | mickeyl | so that ipkg keeps quet |
| 10:06.01 | mickeyl | quiet, even |
| 10:06.02 | SpeedEvil | It carries on for 4 more URLs, then stops |
| 10:06.17 | mickeyl | yeah, that's all the updates-URIs |
| 10:06.23 | mickeyl | the snapshot-URIs should work |
| 10:06.23 | SpeedEvil | Ok |
| 10:06.29 | mickeyl | i did some updates to the snapshot URIs |
| 10:06.38 | mickeyl | so ipkg upgrade should drag some packages in |
| 10:06.41 | mickeyl | at least two |
| 10:06.46 | mickeyl | dialer and gsmd IIRC |
| 10:07.00 | SpeedEvil | Ah - I assumed those were fatals |
| 10:07.12 | SpeedEvil | upgrade seems to be doing stuff |
| 10:07.22 | SpeedEvil | mediaplayer, dialer, gsmd |
| 10:07.24 | hachi | if I copy an openmoko build env to a new machine... what would I issue to say 'build everything, even toolchain from scratch, but don't delete the local copies of the downloaded stuff' |
| 10:07.25 | mickeyl | righto |
| 10:07.29 | SpeedEvil | thanks |
| 10:07.34 | mickeyl | np |
| 10:07.46 | mickeyl | hachi: beware that some tools contain hardcoded paths, e.g. quilt |
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| 10:08.02 | hachi | uhhh... yeah |
| 10:08.04 | mickeyl | hachi: usually bitbake doesn't delete anything |
| 10:08.12 | hachi | that's why I want to rebuild everything from scratch |
| 10:08.21 | mickeyl | then keep the sources dir intact |
| 10:08.30 | mickeyl | where is your DL_DIR pointing towards? |
| 10:08.34 | hachi | huh? |
| 10:08.37 | mickeyl | it should not point inside tmp |
| 10:08.47 | hachi | no I'm asking do I issue a make clean or make distclean |
| 10:08.50 | hachi | make realclean? |
| 10:08.54 | mickeyl | oh |
| 10:08.56 | hachi | I have no idea what the proper cleaning method is |
| 10:08.59 | mickeyl | that's mokomakefile |
| 10:11.47 | mbuf | hachi, if you want to rebuild from scratch, just remove the moko/ directory, re-create it, wget Mokomakefile and build |
| 10:12.03 | CM | hachi: But keep the sources folder |
| 10:12.44 | mickeyl | LaF0rge: ping |
| 10:12.55 | rwhitby | hachi: make clobber |
| 10:13.06 | rwhitby | keeps sources, deletes everything else. |
| 10:13.17 | rwhitby | (keeps the OE.mtn file too) |
| 10:13.22 | hachi | thanks! |
| 10:13.47 | hachi | thanks for all the answers... good things to know |
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| 10:14.50 | torpor | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:15.16 | mickeyl | unclear |
| 10:15.21 | hachi | huh? did buildhost explode? |
| 10:15.23 | mickeyl | downloads contains most of it |
| 10:15.27 | hachi | oh |
| 10:15.40 | mickeyl | buildhost only did contain life-builds, when engineers worked on stuff |
| 10:15.41 | torpor | so what is the solution .. just change buildhost.openmoko.org to downloads? |
| 10:15.50 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 10:16.02 | hachi | why didn't someone keep a CNAME pointing? |
| 10:16.11 | hachi | or put one in place |
| 10:16.27 | mickeyl | well |
| 10:16.31 | rwhitby | cname and apache redirect would do the trick |
| 10:16.33 | torpor | or better yet update the .conf files .. |
| 10:16.34 | mickeyl | i don't think buildhost was ever supposed to be public |
| 10:16.44 | torpor | if not, how come we know about it? |
| 10:16.44 | mickeyl | the conf files are already updated in newer builds |
| 10:16.59 | mickeyl | because people saw that it contains live builds |
| 10:17.04 | mickeyl | and started to download these and test |
| 10:17.13 | torpor | i've been doing ipkg update && ipkg upgrade, and the conf files don't change .. |
| 10:17.16 | mickeyl | stumbling over a lot of non-working builds, of course |
| 10:17.27 | hachi | by not having a CNAME / redirect you're making people constantly ask the question of 'where did buildhost go?' |
| 10:17.34 | hachi | rather than just answering it on that site |
| 10:17.40 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 10:17.41 | hachi | or redirecting them to the right place |
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| 10:17.47 | hachi | it's a usability question now |
| 10:18.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1122 has been created by cayco(AT)cayco.pl |
| 10:18.02 | cdbot2 | * * FIrst (counting from left) contact is not clickable |
| 10:18.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1122 |
| 10:18.12 | torpor | the thing is, should be be expecting to be able to 'stay curent' on our neos by just doing ipkg upgrades, or do we have to burn new images? |
| 10:19.16 | mickeyl | good question. i have been working to make the first one reality. but i no longer maintain the snapshot |
| 10:19.27 | torpor | ok so its in the air |
| 10:19.33 | hachi | even if you don't expect that to work |
| 10:19.42 | hachi | should you actively hinder people? |
| 10:19.43 | torpor | the reason i'm asking is because i switched to a boot-on-SD config a month ago and i don't wanna change it .. if i can avoid it. |
| 10:19.53 | mickeyl | right |
| 10:20.07 | mickeyl | the tools group is a bit busy with toolchain issues atm. |
| 10:20.14 | mickeyl | but these people also maintain the snapshot |
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| 10:21.52 | torpor | okay well i'll just assume that i can continue doing ipkg upgrades, and continue doing so until i run into problems. then i'll moan about it, and rebuild my root-on-sd filesystem if needed, by hand .. ;) |
| 10:22.29 | hachi | I forget, is there a page explaining why root-on-sd is good? |
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| 10:23.27 | torpor | hachi: there is no such page, but if you want to actually install things, root on sd is good. coz the onboard NAND is packed to the gills right now.. |
| 10:23.49 | torpor | i also have a dev environment on my neo right now too, to avoid cross compiling some of my projects. |
| 10:24.18 | hachi | does the moko kernel have overlay support in it? |
| 10:24.30 | hachi | I could just overlay mount my sd card on top |
| 10:24.55 | torpor | yup. would be good if this were implemented standardly. |
| 10:25.08 | torpor | but for now, having a 4gig SD card as my boot system just plain rocks. ;) |
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| 10:32.18 | SpeedEvil | torpor: I'm trying to get that up and working - but I can't seem to find a gcc package on ipkg list |
| 10:33.06 | CM | SpeedEvil: Maybe take the angstrom one? |
| 10:33.55 | SpeedEvil | I followed the instructions at the bottom of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories to add the angstrom one - but ipkg list - after ipkg update - shows no new packages available |
| 10:34.27 | CM | Hmm.. torpor should know why |
| 10:34.41 | Marcel_M | SpeedEvil: http://celtune.morb-design.com/ipk/armv4t/gcc_4.1.2-r6_armv4t.ipk |
| 10:37.13 | SpeedEvil | thanks! |
| 10:38.10 | Marcel_M | np |
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| 10:41.52 | torpor | SpeedEvil: thats the same one i used. |
| 10:41.58 | torpor | i also added celtune to my repo list. |
| 10:42.17 | SpeedEvil | how - I'm having problems with the syntax for that |
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| 10:44.36 | torpor | just make a celtune.conf file, put it in /etc/ipkg, add the server, away you go. |
| 10:45.37 | Marcel_M | or just do : cd /etc/ipkg; wget http://celtune.morb-design.com/celtune.conf |
| 10:46.34 | torpor | that works too |
| 10:46.40 | Marcel_M | :) |
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| 10:47.38 | SpeedEvil | thanks |
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| 11:14.58 | kristian-m | morning |
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| 11:24.48 | Tm_T | kristian-m: indeed |
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| 12:06.14 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03sameo * r3635 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-ng/160-ar6k_ng.patch: ar6k-ng: mainline SDIO stack transition done, time to debug now... |
| 12:08.06 | mbuf | PC1->PC2->Neo, if i would like to get the Neo X application on PC1 via ssh, what should I do? |
| 12:08.56 | mbuf | i vaguely remember some ssh -l root -L 7777:neo:22 or something? |
| 12:09.00 | roh | ola |
| 12:09.45 | XorA|gone | ssh -X pc2 ssh -X neo |
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| 12:10.52 | mbuf | XorA|gone, thanks |
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| 12:30.39 | PBeck | hi |
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| 12:48.05 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r3636 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (8 files in 5 dirs): gsmd: 2nd try for retrieving PIN status (Erin Yueh) |
| 12:49.21 | SpeedEvil | torpor: is there an ipkg with commonly needed header files? |
| 12:49.32 | SpeedEvil | torpor: ah - I can just use slackware base |
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| 12:54.45 | Atul__ | mbuf, ATCommand - when i call lgsm_passthrough() it fails any idea ? |
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| 13:16.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1123 has been created by john_lee(AT)openmoko.com |
| 13:16.02 | cdbot2 | * * Major refactoring to the software development related wiki page |
| 13:16.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1123 |
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| 14:02.36 | SpeedEvil | root@fic-gta01:/media/card/linux-2.6.23$ make menuconfig |
| 14:02.38 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 14:02.46 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
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| 14:07.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1124 has been created by john_lee(AT)openmoko.com |
| 14:07.01 | cdbot2 | * * automatic script to setup qemu network connection. |
| 14:07.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1124 |
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| 14:14.35 | mwester-road | SpeedEvil: you have a native toolchain, then? |
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| 14:16.23 | cheezoo | the openmoko emulator doesn't seem to be working |
| 14:16.51 | cheezoo | i run "make qemu" |
| 14:17.01 | cheezoo | and then i get the openmoko splash screen |
| 14:17.14 | cheezoo | once the progress bar completes ; it just waits there |
| 14:17.17 | SpeedEvil | mwester-road: in some ways yes. |
| 14:17.27 | SpeedEvil | mwester-road: in more important ways - no. |
| 14:18.03 | SpeedEvil | trying to work out which package has the gcc_s lib in |
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| 14:27.06 | CoreDump | http://xkcd.com/356/ does anybody know the solution to that? |
| 14:29.32 | CoreDump | well, that was a serious question. I really would like to know the solution ;) |
| 14:29.55 | robtaylor | CoreDump: i've been looking round. its non-trivial |
| 14:30.08 | CoreDump | My guess is 1Ohm |
| 14:30.35 | CoreDump | lowest resistance between the two is 3 ohm in three different pathes |
| 14:30.49 | robtaylor | CoreDump: there seems to have been a paper in the AJP, but that $19 for the pdf |
| 14:31.27 | SpeedEvil | http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=92564 is related |
| 14:32.04 | robtaylor | CoreDump: 1Ohm could actually be right, accoridng to one argument i saw, but others refs have other answers |
| 14:33.54 | CoreDump | robtaylor: I bet the xkcd guy knows the answer |
| 14:33.59 | CoreDump | what a bastard =D |
| 14:34.09 | robtaylor | CoreDump: http://arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/9909120 |
| 14:34.21 | robtaylor | CoreDump: no, read the image alt tag :) |
| 14:34.47 | CoreDump | I missed that =D |
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| 14:35.55 | CoreDump | FWIW I guess one could just measure it by connecting a 5x5 (or so) resistor grid |
| 14:36.10 | SpeedEvil | that's not really a rigourous proof though |
| 14:36.20 | CoreDump | infinnity doesn't matter here due to the lest-resistance law |
| 14:36.46 | SpeedEvil | least resistance law? |
| 14:36.58 | CoreDump | well, my technical english sucks ;) |
| 14:37.05 | SpeedEvil | yes, it matters less as you go out, but it matters in the near field |
| 14:37.11 | CoreDump | current always travels the way of least resistance |
| 14:37.25 | SpeedEvil | I'd suspect large changes from 5*5 to 10*10 |
| 14:37.29 | CoreDump | ..between two points |
| 14:37.34 | SpeedEvil | it's not quite that easy |
| 14:37.45 | CoreDump | I bet it is =) |
| 14:37.47 | SpeedEvil | because it doesn't |
| 14:38.11 | SpeedEvil | if you have a 1 ohm and a 2 ohm resistor in parallel, exactly half the current will flow in the 2 ohm one |
| 14:38.31 | CoreDump | correct |
| 14:38.39 | CoreDump | if in parallel |
| 14:38.44 | robtaylor | CoreDump: apparetly the answer is (8-PI)/2*PI |
| 14:39.04 | CoreDump | robtaylor: ouch |
| 14:39.09 | jmichel_ | if you have 1 ohm and 2 ohm in parallele current is not the same in both |
| 14:39.23 | robtaylor | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:39.26 | jmichel_ | voltage is the same but not current |
| 14:39.27 | robtaylor | R[1, 2] |
| 14:39.29 | robtaylor | (8 - π)/(2 π) |
| 14:39.34 | CoreDump | holy shit dude |
| 14:39.59 | CoreDump | jmichel_: of course, my bad |
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| 14:40.24 | CoreDump | robtaylor: where did you get that from? |
| 14:40.47 | bedboi | is there any way to use the neo as a bluetooth GPS? |
| 14:41.07 | robtaylor | CoreDump: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/news/2004-10-13/google/ |
| 14:41.29 | jmichel_ | bedboi: do you mean as or with a BT GPS ? |
| 14:41.39 | bedboi | as |
| 14:41.57 | SpeedEvil | bedboi: yes |
| 14:42.04 | bedboi | SpeedEvil: any info on that? |
| 14:42.06 | SpeedEvil | bedboi: see the wiki under [[gps]] |
| 14:42.16 | bedboi | thanks |
| 14:42.20 | robtaylor | CoreDump: its just pluging the appropriate values into the rectanglar lattice result in teh Cserti paper |
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| 14:42.39 | robtaylor | not that I understand that paper at all =) |
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| 14:45.03 | CoreDump | =D |
| 14:49.46 | CoreDump | robtaylor: well, I (8 - π)/(2 π) is correct I was pretty close with my "1 Ohm" theory muhaha |
| 14:50.06 | CoreDump | (0,78) |
| 14:50.22 | robtaylor | CoreDump: heh, yeah, if you consider two adajent points, that comes out to be 1Ohm |
| 14:51.13 | CoreDump | btw, I just gained 358x2 points, I win =D |
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| 14:52.10 | CoreDump | !logs |
| 14:52.12 | cdbot2 | Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: |
| 14:52.13 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko |
| 14:52.14 | cdbot2 | Live-logs are available at |
| 14:52.15 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog |
| 14:52.17 | cdbot2 | See ?? help-logs for usage instructions |
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| 15:10.41 | jmichel_ | Have you seen that the LiPS forum has announced their 1.0 specification today |
| 15:10.43 | jmichel_ | http://www.lipsforum.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=97&Itemid=165 |
| 15:11.06 | jmichel_ | I was wondering if there is any relation with OpenMokp |
| 15:11.53 | CM | jmichel_: We might know more about that after friday ;) |
| 15:12.03 | zash | CM: orly? |
| 15:12.43 | CM | Rumours.. We'll see :) |
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| 15:14.49 | jmichel_ | CM: I'll wait then... |
| 15:15.01 | CM | 3:) |
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| 15:18.31 | buzzinfly | hey there, just got my gta01 and flashed novembers kernel and rootfs, however when i try ipkg update, i get some 404 errors for the following url: http://downloads.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/all/ |
| 15:18.39 | buzzinfly | any ideas? |
| 15:21.23 | SpeedEvil | buz |
| 15:21.24 | SpeedEvil | : |
| 15:21.38 | SpeedEvil | micke y|lunch apparently broke something - he knows about it |
| 15:21.48 | SpeedEvil | they may not be fatal |
| 15:22.08 | CM | Yeah, just ignore that :) |
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| 15:23.15 | SpeedEvil | read [[ipkg]] the bottom of [[repositories]] |
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| 15:33.59 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03mickey * r3637 10/tags/: add tags directory |
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| 15:35.22 | Mononoke | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.29 | Mononoke | <.< stupid space |
| 15:35.55 | Tek_Grmln | is gllin still the way to go with gps? |
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| 15:36.01 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03mickey * r3638 10/tags/repository-before-first-cleanup-2007-12-12/: tag repository before cleaning up |
| 15:36.06 | mjr | Tek_Grmln, yes |
| 15:37.27 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03mickey * r3639 10/trunk/oe/: remove oe directory. we no longer operate an OpenEmbedded overlay |
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| 15:38.04 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03mickey * r3640 10/trunk/doc/design-documents-v2/: remove outdated software design documents |
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| 15:41.54 | josch | whooo a lot of cleanup |
| 15:41.56 | mickey|lunch | hehe |
| 15:42.13 | mickey|lunch | that was overdue |
| 15:43.18 | Mononoke | so it looks like OM software starts is slowly finishing(starts to stabilize) ? |
| 15:43.30 | Mononoke | or just cleanup before next party ^.^ |
| 15:43.58 | mickey|lunch | who knows |
| 15:44.11 | mickey|lunch | there will be some more focus on middleware |
| 15:44.59 | mickey|lunch | anyways, need to go to a uni christmas party |
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| 17:33.42 | no_mind | Sup3rkiddo, |
| 17:35.22 | josch | no_mind, piep? |
| 17:36.05 | no_mind | josch, few more mins |
| 17:36.15 | josch | np |
| 17:36.18 | Sup3rkiddo | no_mind: |
| 17:36.22 | Sup3rkiddo | josch: |
| 17:37.09 | no_mind | Sup3rkiddo, where ? |
| 17:37.27 | no_mind | #pymoko ? |
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| 17:54.13 | ahven | mtn: connecting to monotone.openmoko.org |
| 17:54.14 | ahven | mtn: network error: failed to connect: Connection refused |
| 17:54.15 | ahven | ack? |
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| 17:57.24 | moprilo | anyone know how i can write to Michael? on the last update he asked for 850Mhz testers. I'm on 850Mhz country |
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| 17:58.38 | roh | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.51 | moprilo | thanks |
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| 18:06.50 | CM | moprilo: Actually, the last update says he has more than enough testers.. |
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| 18:09.17 | new_bie | hi all |
| 18:10.04 | abraxa__ | Heya New Bee |
| 18:10.23 | Sup3rkiddo | hi |
| 18:10.31 | new_bie | i just got my neo 1973 and i sincerely want to contribute to this amazing project |
| 18:10.48 | abraxa__ | Well, you already did a major step then :) |
| 18:11.06 | new_bie | can somebody guide me to implement some kernel features |
| 18:11.49 | abraxa__ | Do you have experience with kernel development? |
| 18:12.06 | new_bie | yeah i do have experience in embedded systems |
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| 18:12.51 | abraxa_ | In that case you'll most likely want to grab MokoMakefile and build the kernel, then modify it and work with it |
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| 18:14.36 | new_bie | Are there any known todo's for u-boot/kernel ? |
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| 18:15.54 | mmontour | new_bie: power management is a big "todo" area. There are also at least 2 important u-boot bugs that need to be fixed |
| 18:16.35 | roh | you can ask werner or andy i think |
| 18:16.52 | new_bie | are thes bug filed |
| 18:17.27 | mmontour | Yes, but I'd have to look up the numbers. One is a crash when booting from SD, the other that the system hangs on boot unless you use the "Aux" menu |
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| 18:18.47 | mmontour | Bugs #799 and #887 |
| 18:18.59 | new_bie | thax mmontour |
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| 18:24.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1125 has been created by renatox(AT)gmail.com |
| 18:24.01 | cdbot2 | * * Auto-hide scrollbars on mokofingerscroll |
| 18:24.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1125 |
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| 19:19.26 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03zecke * r3645 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-feedreader2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 19:19.26 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 2007-12-12 Holger Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> |
| 19:19.26 | CIA-23 | openmoko: WebKitPage -> WebKitWebView |
| 19:19.27 | CIA-23 | openmoko: webkitglobal -> webkit |
| 19:19.27 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/feed-item-view.c: |
| 19:19.28 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (feed_item_view_init): |
| 19:19.30 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (feed_item_view_display): |
| 19:23.41 | CM | I have trouble connecting to the debug board at all.. Anyone have some hints? |
| 19:23.45 | CM | http://rafb.net/p/Fb376o65.html |
| 19:25.00 | CM | I get the /dev/ttyUSB0 and 1, but I can't connect to them with cu or minicom |
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| 19:29.10 | CM | Ah, removing the devicename got me further :) |
| 19:30.08 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03zecke * r3646 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-browser2/ (7 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 19:30.08 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 2007-12-12 Holger Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> |
| 19:30.08 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Update to the recent API of WebKit/Gtk |
| 19:30.08 | CIA-23 | openmoko: WebKitFrame -> WebKitWebFrame |
| 19:30.08 | CIA-23 | openmoko: WebKitPage -> WebKitWebView |
| 19:30.09 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/browser-data.c: |
| 19:30.13 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (browser_page_new): |
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| 19:38.39 | CM | Ok, how do I get into u-boot from the debug board? |
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| 19:46.01 | CM | Hmm.. I'll just flash a new kernel and rootfs instead and try later |
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| 19:52.56 | NineX | damn |
| 19:53.05 | NineX | UPS sucks |
| 19:53.39 | NineX | i waiting for package with FPC, they send my package into katowice instead krakow |
| 19:53.47 | CM | Hehe |
| 19:53.52 | NineX | so i will wait one more day |
| 19:54.20 | NineX | CM: not funy , whitout FPC i can't unbrick my neo |
| 19:54.22 | NineX | :S |
| 19:54.57 | NineX | /s/whitout/whithout/ |
| 19:58.45 | CM | :( |
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| 20:03.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1126 has been created by milo_casagrande(AT)yahoo.it |
| 20:03.02 | cdbot2 | * * .desktop file is not translatable |
| 20:03.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1126 |
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| 20:08.21 | DukeOfURL | NineX: UPS trunks aren't making left turns any longer, so you're out of luck. |
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| 20:11.53 | buzzinfly | hi there, i've just got a gta01 and was wondering if anyone knew if it was worth upgrading uboot? the uboot i have is 1.2.0-moko9_r8 |
| 20:12.11 | buzzinfly | slightly hesitant due to warning about bricking |
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| 20:12.54 | thomasg_ | buzzinfly: it's the same like for PCs: never touch a running system :) |
| 20:13.27 | thomasg_ | if you don't specifically need new features or having problems with u-boot, you shoulnd't change it |
| 20:14.12 | buzzinfly | fair point. i was running ipkg update earlier this afternoon and a few 404 errors appeared, anyone else seeing this? |
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| 20:24.38 | NineX | http://pastebin.ca/813794 |
| 20:26.06 | NineX | someone can tell me wtf ^^ |
| 20:27.52 | NineX | josch: i know this |
| 20:27.56 | NineX | :::::S |
| 20:28.08 | xcasex | hey CM bring that debug board with you when you go north. :) |
| 20:28.19 | xcasex | i might be tempted to do something drastic soonish |
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| 20:29.39 | NineX | damn i can't wait for FPC cable... to unbrick my neo and test some tricks |
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| 21:11.36 | CM | xcasex: I can do that :) |
| 21:12.13 | CM | buzzinfly: And yes, that 404 is just a small mistake from om, don't worry about it :) |
| 21:14.09 | buzzinfly | but ipkg update bombs out after the 404s |
| 21:14.26 | CM | Oh, ok |
| 21:14.45 | CM | you can edit some conf files in /etc/ipkg/ |
| 21:14.59 | CM | Take a look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories |
| 21:15.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1127 has been created by milo_casagrande(AT)yahoo.it |
| 21:15.02 | cdbot2 | * * Italian translation missing |
| 21:15.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1127 |
| 21:15.20 | ahven | mtn: connecting to monotone.openmoko.org |
| 21:15.20 | ahven | mtn: network error: failed to connect: Connection refused |
| 21:15.28 | ahven | does anyone have the same problem? |
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| 21:15.48 | CM | ahven: monotone.openmoko.org isn't that stable yet. I guess they're still updating |
| 21:15.56 | ahven | ok |
| 21:15.58 | CM | I run against monotone.openembedded.org |
| 21:16.12 | CM | That's make update-bleeding-edge if you use the makefile |
| 21:16.54 | ahven | fine with me |
| 21:16.56 | ahven | thanks :) |
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| 21:17.41 | buzzinfly | when i go to http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D it get "unable to connect" in browser |
| 21:17.56 | CM | buzzinfly: The buildhost is broken |
| 21:17.59 | CM | Physically |
| 21:18.08 | CM | And they're working on rebuilding it |
| 21:18.26 | ahven | so the whole *.openmoko.org ? |
| 21:18.59 | CM | Try using ScaredyCat's repo instead, or the celtune ones |
| 21:19.17 | CM | No, wiki, www, lists and so on still work |
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| 21:21.43 | buzzinfly | one other thing... |
| 21:22.26 | buzzinfly | i have a pin protected sim however the dialler does not seem to recognise this and just allows me to dial a number (which obviously doesn't work). |
| 21:22.39 | CM | buzzinfly: How old is your rootfs? |
| 21:22.57 | CM | It has been fixed recently, but it requires a fairly new build |
| 21:23.15 | buzzinfly | i used the kernel and rootfs from here http://downloads.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.11/images/ |
| 21:23.23 | CM | Ok, that's before the fix |
| 21:23.28 | buzzinfly | ah |
| 21:23.52 | CM | I'm running an image built yesterday by myself |
| 21:24.14 | CM | I don't have a pin, but another guy tried it and using the pin worked for him |
| 21:24.28 | CM | buzzinfly: http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/current/images/neo1973/ if you want to give it a try :) |
| 21:24.44 | CM | Just flash the old rootfs back if it doesn't work like it should |
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| 21:25.47 | buzzinfly | i'm fairly new to openmoko (recieved it today) - what's the difference between the official builds and scaredycat / chooseopen |
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| 21:29.39 | thomasg_ | mainly additional apps and maybe some patches and so on |
| 21:31.36 | CM | buzzinfly: Also, they're built with the latest svn versions of everything, but the official packages are locked at known to work revisions (Most of the time..) |
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| 21:38.17 | buzzinfly | so looking at http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/?M=D, i'm confused which file to use |
| 21:39.45 | RAVTUX | has the new OpenMoko been released yet or is it delayed? |
| 21:40.08 | thomasg_ | see topic |
| 21:41.57 | RAVTUX | thomasg_: thanks ;) |
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| 21:44.15 | CM | buzzinfly: Heh, I don't blame you. Usually you can use the first jffs2 image in the list, since they're in date order |
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| 21:47.00 | buzzinfly | it's bizarre, the size of the first two tar files are twice as big as the .jffs2 files. but aren't the .tar compressed versions of the .jffs2 files> |
| 21:50.29 | xcasex | the tar fles are for advanced use, i.e if you have set up he moko to boot from sd |
| 21:51.02 | mjr | jffs2 filesystems are compressed, tar files are not... |
| 21:51.44 | buzzinfly | ah yes, i'm getting .gz's mixed up again |
| 21:51.54 | buzzinfly | thanks for your help |
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| 22:20.55 | buzzinfly | just used latest scaredycat build and phone just says registering... and complains about no network when dialling a number - i don't know how to specify a SIM PIN |
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| 22:54.03 | nelson | what's Michael Shiloh's email? |
| 22:54.52 | nelson | Oh, nevermind, he has enough volunteers. |
| 22:54.57 | Stephmw | michael@om |
| 22:55.02 | Stephmw | ;) |
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| 22:56.16 | Ghiottone | hey all |
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| 23:02.30 | buzzinfly | hi |
| 23:02.43 | ajbrun | RAH! |
| 23:05.20 | Ghiottone | RA is the Egyptians sun god |
| 23:05.51 | ajbrun | </random fact> |
| 23:06.35 | buzzinfly | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.58 | ajbrun | i wouldn't recognise your sim either tbh |
| 23:07.15 | orospakr | I'll recognize *your* SIM! |
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| 23:23.36 | nelson | Should I expect buildhost.openmoko.org to be up? |
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| 23:25.13 | lesouvage | . |
| 23:30.02 | abraxa_ | nelson: What do you need from it? |
| 23:30.37 | nelson | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv4t/gpsd_2.34-r5_armv4t.ipk |
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| 23:35.55 | abraxa_ | nelson: I was hoping it would be available on http://downloads.openmoko.org but it's not - http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/ has it, however |
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| 23:38.21 | nelson | tnx. |
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| 23:42.24 | NineX | monotone.openmoko.org is down? |
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| 23:44.26 | Ghiottone | NineX, same problem here. make update fails |
| 23:45.23 | NineX | damn |
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| 23:50.17 | pgs | hi all |
| 23:52.34 | pgs | I know its not right place to discuss this issue but i am curious to understand why __attribute__(signal , naked) is not used for ISR's |
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