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| 00:15.09 | lokpest | any guess when a Neo1973 with 3G will be out? |
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| 00:16.40 | MrSkittle | MARCH??? |
| 00:16.48 | abraxa_ | lokpest: I couldn't put my bets on 2008 :) |
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| 00:17.57 | lokpest | abraxa_: so mabye, 2009 or 2010? :) |
| 00:18.30 | abraxa_ | 2009 sounds doable imo but we'll see what the management decides |
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| 00:19.52 | abraxa_ | It wasn't opted out |
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| 00:20.11 | abraxa_ | It just wasn't part of the initially targeted audience |
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| 00:23.38 | lokpest | well, fucking europe seems lika a smart plan |
| 00:23.40 | lokpest | not! |
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| 00:25.19 | abraxa_ | huh? |
| 00:26.10 | lokpest | I cant use a phone without 3G |
| 00:26.17 | abraxa_ | Why not? |
| 00:26.46 | lokpest | my operator dont suport phones that dont handle 3G |
| 00:27.40 | lokpest | see? |
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| 00:27.55 | abraxa_ | It's a regular GSM phone |
| 00:28.01 | abraxa_ | I don't see what's there not to support |
| 00:28.17 | ljp | 2.5g != 3g |
| 00:28.44 | lokpest | well my company says if the phone does not have 3G i cant use it in their network |
| 00:29.40 | mjr | yeah there are those companies |
| 00:29.57 | mjr | but that's not the same as "fucking europe" |
| 00:30.10 | mjr | you'd have to pick a provider supporting GSM, obviously |
| 00:30.34 | lokpest | no, obv there is urgent need for a neo1973 with 3G |
| 00:30.49 | lokpest | well, my company is the best company in sweden |
| 00:31.00 | lokpest | (part from this detail) |
| 00:31.14 | lokpest | switching company isnt really an option |
| 00:31.17 | mjr | (the issue for some of the 3G providers is that they don't have their own GSM networks, so use roaming for the GSM fallback, and they don't want you to roam all the time 'cause it costs them) |
| 00:31.40 | mjr | Well then neo1973 is not an option for you. Too bad. |
| 00:31.57 | mjr | there is an "urgent" need for everything at once, yes, but that's not sadly how things work |
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| 00:36.07 | lokpest | does openmoko work well on other hardware? |
| 00:36.28 | Aria | Define 'well' |
| 00:36.51 | lokpest | i dunno |
| 00:37.09 | lokpest | workd for someone thats not a programmer |
| 00:37.26 | mjr | does it work that well on any platform? |
| 00:38.56 | lokpest | making proprietary software should be a criminal offense |
| 00:40.08 | mjr | coming in with little to no clue and falsely throwing around accusations like "fucking europe" shouldn't, but it might be discouraged |
| 00:42.21 | lokpest | ok, sorry |
| 00:42.35 | lokpest | but I want a free software phone |
| 00:43.08 | mjr | yes, pretty much all of us |
| 00:43.13 | lokpest | MY PHONE IS EVIL I DONT WANT AN EVIL PHONE |
| 00:43.20 | mickeyl | we all want. Neo1973 is not there yet, but the best bet we have |
| 00:43.54 | mickeyl | unless other hardware vendors start releasing open devices |
| 00:43.55 | mjr | and certainly the neo1973 is and will be a compromise to many, but have to start somewhere, and the ubiquituous gsm makes a good starting point |
| 00:45.05 | alphaone | mickeyl: At least Motorola doesn't seem to like open :-( |
| 00:45.20 | mickeyl | alphaone: yes. no way with Moto |
| 00:45.23 | alphaone | I had a look at my RAZR2V8 this weekend. |
| 00:45.42 | alphaone | Signed kernel, signed bootloader and most of the rootfs |
| 00:45.47 | mickeyl | "fun" |
| 00:46.12 | alphaone | And some sort of security model on the kernel so you can't just mount stuff/change important files... |
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| 00:46.19 | mjr | (but it does seem to me that if you DONT WANT AN EVIL PHONE in all caps it's pretty funny that something like picking the operator that spesifically doesn't support GSM phones is the deciding factor :] ) |
| 00:46.45 | mjr | ('scuse me, I'm being a bit of a prick) |
| 00:46.45 | ljp | i would bet its not only moto, but the operators that dictate 'opennedd' |
| 00:46.50 | ljp | openness |
| 00:47.12 | mickeyl | well, FIC does something that could have been done since a bunch of years |
| 00:47.15 | alphaone | ljp: Yeah, well still sucks |
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| 00:47.24 | mickeyl | if Moto would have wanted |
| 00:47.26 | mickeyl | they could have done it |
| 00:47.31 | mickeyl | same for others |
| 00:47.36 | mjr | yeah |
| 00:48.04 | ljp | and not sold phones to the operators |
| 00:48.07 | alphaone | mickeyl: But they're so cozy cuddling with the operators |
| 00:48.11 | ljp | which means less linux phones |
| 00:48.26 | mickeyl | i don't think so |
| 00:48.34 | mickeyl | you don't need to market it |
| 00:48.40 | mickeyl | but you can make it possible for people to tinker |
| 00:48.45 | mickeyl | without jumping through hoops |
| 00:48.59 | alphaone | True.. |
| 00:49.11 | alphaone | And they went to some lengths with the razr2 |
| 00:49.18 | ljp | operator branding is where the big $$ is |
| 00:49.28 | mickeyl | well |
| 00:49.31 | mickeyl | good for FIC |
| 00:49.43 | alphaone | And I'd be willing to bet that JTAG there is also restricted |
| 00:49.44 | mickeyl | means we won't see any alternatives soon |
| 00:49.45 | ljp | agreed |
| 00:50.18 | mjr | bad for us, I'd like not being dependent on FIC's committment, solid as that's been so far |
| 00:50.43 | mickeyl | well |
| 00:50.45 | alphaone | This weekend I was really upset that there is nothing against tivoization in GPLv2 |
| 00:50.56 | mjr | but can't really see any reasonably open phones coming out of eg. the android camp very likely |
| 00:51.19 | mjr | oops, the A word |
| 00:51.19 | ljp | android will be business as usual |
| 00:51.24 | mickeyl | so lets hope gta02 sells really well and we will see a sexy 3G phone in 2009 |
| 00:51.49 | mjr | mickeyl, indeed. Just do those and I'll buy them both, and continue plugging them around here |
| 00:52.52 | mjr | oh yeah, I forgot to post my presentation slides to the community list. Ah well, limited audience, as they're Finnish anyway. |
| 00:53.07 | mjr | also there was a linux podcast on openmoko, maemo and shit |
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| 01:01.15 | mickeyl | bed time |
| 01:01.16 | mickeyl | g'night |
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| 01:21.15 | Varox_NB | hello |
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| 01:23.50 | jeremymcHome | I just got my moko and I reflashed to Qtopia and have been unsuccessful at making calls on Rogers in Canada. |
| 01:24.03 | jeremymcHome | I couldn't make any calls on 2007.11 either |
| 01:24.17 | jeremymcHome | What am I missing? Obviously the calls ehehe |
| 01:25.23 | mjr | do you get 1900 MHz signal there, as the 850 MHz band was lacking? |
| 01:25.37 | mjr | see if registering on the network via libgsmd-tool works |
| 01:25.38 | ljp | do you know if have a usim? |
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| 01:27.36 | jeremymcHome | ooo these are all questions I am not sure I can answer at this point. |
| 01:27.49 | Writchie | jeremycmHome: ok - how about Rogers where? |
| 01:27.56 | jeremymcHome | those key words will help me with the magical google. |
| 01:27.57 | jeremymcHome | Ottawa |
| 01:28.04 | jeremymcHome | Capital city ;-) |
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| 01:34.53 | jeremym1 | Ya. A guy I know that has one in ott as well says he has been successful in making calls on his. |
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| 03:15.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1112 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com |
| 03:15.02 | cdbot2 | * * remove a unsupported AT command in gsmd |
| 03:15.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1112 |
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| 03:17.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1113 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com |
| 03:17.02 | cdbot2 | * * AT%CPHS returns NO SIM ERROR |
| 03:17.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1113 |
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| 03:41.30 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r3620 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/gsmd.c: gsmd: bug#1112 remove a unsupported AT command (Erin Yueh) |
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| 04:08.34 | xzcvczx | hmmm om.org seems to be down again :S |
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| 04:47.29 | xzcvczx | !seen nnpiggy |
| 04:47.31 | cdbot2 | nnpiggy (n=nnpiggy@qiqinebs.chi.il.us) was last seen quitting from #openmoko 4 days, 15 hours, 45 minutes ago stating (Remote closed the connection). |
| 04:48.03 | xzcvczx | sweet.... |
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| 04:56.44 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:37.30 | xcasex | xzcvczx: i2c.. pressure.. sensor? |
| 05:37.36 | xcasex | gta01 or 02 ? |
| 05:38.26 | I-MOD | xzcvczx, for sensing your face against the phone body? or what? |
| 05:38.46 | SpeedEvil | xzcvczx: air pressure |
| 05:38.49 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 05:38.51 | SpeedEvil | xcasex: |
| 05:39.10 | I-MOD | barometric stuff |
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| 05:42.13 | xzcvczx | xcasex: well i have 2 so i will put one in gta01 and still have one left over for 02 |
| 05:42.34 | xcasex | wait. you're actually soldering on your devboard? |
| 05:42.38 | xzcvczx | I-MOD: altitude stuff mostly |
| 05:42.43 | xzcvczx | xcasex: indeed |
| 05:43.55 | xcasex | O_O |
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| 05:46.54 | SpeedEvil | xzcvczx: who's? I don't recall any I2C pressure transducers. And I could do with one for a pitot. |
| 05:47.25 | xzcvczx | CM: i was here first so his problem :P |
| 05:47.33 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: bosch smd500 |
| 05:47.38 | CM | xzcvczx: Hehe ;) |
| 05:47.52 | SpeedEvil | xzcvczx: Pa/b? |
| 05:47.55 | xzcvczx | or as some people would say Shotgun not! |
| 05:48.07 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: Pa/b? |
| 05:48.08 | xzcvczx | ? |
| 05:48.15 | SpeedEvil | xzcvczx: pascals per bit |
| 05:48.30 | SpeedEvil | xzcvczx: or resolution |
| 05:48.46 | xzcvczx | 16 bit resolution |
| 05:49.01 | SpeedEvil | nice |
| 05:49.17 | xzcvczx | 1100hPa to 300hPa i think |
| 05:49.29 | xzcvczx | or something like that anyway -500m to 9000m |
| 05:49.37 | SpeedEvil | Are they available in 1's? |
| 05:49.51 | xzcvczx | good luck |
| 05:50.27 | xzcvczx | i was lucky to have a good friend somewhere otherwise would have had to buy 3000 of the little f'ers |
| 05:50.54 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 05:51.16 | xzcvczx | where are you based |
| 05:51.28 | SpeedEvil | UK |
| 05:51.48 | xzcvczx | you might find it easier than i did then try requesting a sample |
| 05:52.05 | SpeedEvil | Maybe. |
| 05:52.57 | SpeedEvil | However, the problem is that this would be small volume (R/C autopilots), so I'm in the awkward spot. One sample won't cut it, I need an ongoing way to buy a dozen or so. |
| 05:53.26 | SpeedEvil | Oh well - freescales stuff is usable - though analog. |
| 05:57.33 | xzcvczx | hmmmm well if we could find enough people we could buy 3k of them ( i know i could use a dozen or so) and just have someone order the lot and dole them out |
| 05:57.33 | SpeedEvil | what's the price@3k? |
| 05:57.37 | xzcvczx | but unfourtunatly will need a few people as it will be like 12k us |
| 05:57.45 | cjb_ie | isn't that what people like digikey are for? |
| 05:57.53 | SpeedEvil | cjb_ie: in principle. |
| 05:57.57 | xzcvczx | cjb_ie: none of them have them |
| 05:58.06 | SpeedEvil | cjb_ie: the problem is that digikey have to think they will sell 3000. |
| 05:58.14 | SpeedEvil | cjb_ie: if they don't, they don't stock it. |
| 05:58.44 | SpeedEvil | And the company doesn't especially care, as they are interested mainly in orders of 100K to go into a garmin foo. |
| 06:17.19 | xcasex | ScaredyCat: ping me when you get in |
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| 06:45.42 | CoreDump | Does anybody have a large (~10MB) virus-infected file for me for testing purposes? The small eicar thingy wont do. |
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| 06:50.55 | xcasex | has anyone used the rootless X config for kdrive in relation to qtopia? :D |
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| 07:05.39 | daMaestro | CoreDump, i would expect so, yes |
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| 09:06.28 | xzcvczx | morning hrw |
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| 10:13.41 | cosmin | hi ppl |
| 10:13.49 | zash | yo! |
| 10:13.56 | cosmin | i am running openmoko in qemu and i need to copy some large files |
| 10:14.38 | cosmin | there's not enough space, is there any way i can mount a fake card or something? |
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| 10:25.01 | xzcvczx | cosmin: lol just be aware you cant pick up the qemu device and use it to copy large files to a mates computer down the street |
| 10:26.24 | cosmin | lol |
| 10:27.18 | xcasex | O_o |
| 10:27.25 | xcasex | u peepul r weird |
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| 10:30.40 | xzcvczx | xcasex: more to the point i misunderstand what sort of big files he would want to put on a virutal neo |
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| 10:38.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1114 has been created by ebbe(AT)skummer.com |
| 10:38.02 | cdbot2 | * * Can't unlock screen if keyboard on |
| 10:38.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1114 |
| 10:39.57 | xzcvczx | bbs |
| 10:40.36 | cosmin | well, let's just say i don't have enough space |
| 10:40.53 | cosmin | if i had a real neo, i could use a card, right? |
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| 10:43.07 | mjr | Sure. And I'm sure you can add a storage device to your qemu too. |
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| 10:53.08 | cosmin | mjr: how can i do that? |
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| 10:54.13 | mjr | no idea |
| 10:54.48 | xzcvczx | cosmin: what have you got in /dev in the virtual dev? |
| 10:56.48 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03john_lee * r3623 10/developers/john_lee/toolkit/ (COPYING COPYING.MIT LICENSE bin/om-conf): Adding license. |
| 10:59.09 | cosmin | xzcvczx: yes, i do |
| 10:59.26 | xzcvczx | that wasnt a yes/no question |
| 10:59.43 | cosmin | sorry, i skipped the first word |
| 10:59.57 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 11:00.22 | CM | cosmin: Don't worry, most skip more than the first word of what xzcvczx says :P |
| 11:00.25 | cheezoo | i seem to have a problem with running openmoko in qemu |
| 11:00.56 | cosmin | lol, CM |
| 11:00.58 | cheezoo | is this a right place to ask ? |
| 11:01.06 | CM | cheezoo: Sure is, what's your problem? |
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| 11:01.34 | cheezoo | CM: well , the progress bar completes and nothing happens after that |
| 11:01.59 | xzcvczx | cosmin: lol try this mount -o loop,offset=32256 [[hd''image]] [[tmp''dir]] |
| 11:02.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1115 has been created by dodji(AT)openedhand.com |
| 11:02.03 | cdbot2 | * * avoid busy looping to wait for glamo engine idle state |
| 11:02.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1115 |
| 11:02.28 | cosmin | xzcvczx: thanks, i'll try as soon as i get back |
| 11:02.30 | xzcvczx | ~smack CM |
| 11:02.31 | apt | ACTION smacks CM upside the head. |
| 11:02.42 | xzcvczx | ~treat |
| 11:02.50 | xzcvczx | dumb bot |
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| 11:04.22 | cheezoo | CM: top shows qemu consuming cpu around 20% |
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| 11:20.01 | cheezoo | CM: I get this error also s3c_mmci_write: Bad register 0x38 |
| 11:20.01 | cheezoo | s3c_mmci_write: Bad register 0x38 |
| 11:23.04 | xzcvczx | qemu is about as realiable as windowsME unfortunately |
| 11:24.31 | cheezoo | is this problem seen before also? |
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| 11:37.32 | CM | cheezoo: Sorry, I'm at work and got busy |
| 11:37.51 | cheezoo | CM: np :) |
| 11:38.03 | CM | cheezoo: What image are you trying to run in qemu? |
| 11:38.17 | CM | Built yourself or official? Using the makefile? |
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| 11:38.43 | cheezoo | CM: using Makefile |
| 11:38.50 | CM | cheezoo: Also, if you you need expert help with qemu, you should try to find balrog-kun here |
| 11:39.14 | cheezoo | well this is my first time with qemu and open moko |
| 11:39.16 | CM | cheezoo: So you've built the complete image? Using make qemu-local? |
| 11:39.26 | cheezoo | CM: i did a make qemu |
| 11:39.34 | CM | Was mine too ~8 months ago ;) |
| 11:39.43 | cheezoo | thats encouraging |
| 11:39.45 | cheezoo | :) |
| 11:39.59 | CM | Ok, you can make run-qemu, or make run-qemu-local I think |
| 11:40.20 | CM | I haven't been running qemu much since I got my Neo ;) |
| 11:40.37 | CM | But when I did, it took all the cpu it could, and it's still a lot slower than a real neo |
| 11:41.27 | zash | CM: real neo as in gta01? && sounds promising for gta02 then :D |
| 11:41.46 | xzcvczx | CM: i know sad huh |
| 11:42.15 | CM | xzcvczx: Sure is.. I wonder what it is that makes it so cpu intesive |
| 11:42.29 | CM | Guess some parts of it is really hard to optimize |
| 11:42.43 | xzcvczx | CM: yeah due to the emulation part of it i guess |
| 11:46.03 | xcasex | CM: question. how come the openmoko mtn is so dog slow? |
| 11:46.08 | balrog-kun | cheezoo: yes, it's been seen before |
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| 11:46.30 | balrog-kun | cheezoo: it's not a problem, qemu will spit some messages like this which may be useful for the kernel hackers but you can safely ignore them |
| 11:47.01 | CM | xcasex: Normally I'll blame everything that's slow on montone itself, but with this one I don't know. Maybe because the server is in .tw? |
| 11:48.11 | xcasex | :/ |
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| 11:50.20 | cheezo_ | CM: sorry , got disconnected |
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| 11:50.36 | CM | xcasex: I'm using update-bleeding-edge anyway, since that's the oe repo |
| 11:50.49 | CM | cheezo_: Oh, you missed balrog-kun's reply then? |
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| 11:51.08 | cheezo_ | CM: yes |
| 11:51.24 | PBeck | hi |
| 11:51.50 | CM | cheezo_: http://rafb.net/p/JP0gS941.html |
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| 11:52.44 | cheezo_ | ok thats fine , but doesn't provide some solution |
| 11:52.54 | Ghiottone|work | hey CM |
| 11:53.13 | xcasex | and i loathe the constant timeouts from the ipkg repo at om.org |
| 11:53.33 | CM | Ghiottone|work: Hey there :) |
| 11:53.44 | CM | Ghiottone|work: Fun bot you linked to before :D |
| 11:54.03 | CM | xcasex: Use ScaredyCat's repo instead |
| 11:54.21 | CM | xcasex: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories |
| 11:54.21 | xcasex | CM: i am, but he's missing a lot of E related apps |
| 11:54.27 | CM | Ah, ok |
| 11:54.38 | CM | Hmm.. I'm building all quite often too |
| 11:54.58 | CM | But I'm in the process of moving, so the page will only be up for another 11 days |
| 11:55.04 | torpor | yo |
| 11:55.09 | torpor | whats going on? |
| 11:55.23 | torpor | you guys having any fun with yer neos or is it all just w1xer .. |
| 11:55.25 | torpor | ;) |
| 11:55.33 | CM | torpor: :P |
| 11:55.35 | xcasex | :p |
| 11:55.42 | CM | We're in constant pain.. ;) |
| 11:55.47 | torpor | i'm lovin' mine. |
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| 11:56.41 | torpor | onboard gcc is, like, tha' bomb. also, python+neo+usb-kb==sexy++; |
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| 11:57.19 | torpor | if i get gprs working on it soon, i'll probably sell my macbook and buy two gta02's .. ;) |
| 11:57.31 | zash | torpor: a in-air projected 15"-screen would be nice to ;) |
| 11:57.51 | gopi | I want an openmoko phone with two SIM cards. |
| 11:58.01 | Ghiottone|work | CM: bot? which bot? |
| 11:58.09 | Tek_Grmln | hello |
| 11:58.20 | torpor | yeah, i have one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overhead_projector |
| 11:58.27 | CM | Ghiottone|work: THat tux robot |
| 11:58.28 | xcasex | i want a neo w. a fully reconfigurable hot elven slut |
| 11:58.32 | mjr | gprs wasn't a problem for me - if willing to lose calls for the duration :] |
| 11:58.39 | Tek_Grmln | can someone tell me what I have to do to get the command cu on my neo |
| 11:58.45 | xcasex | say is the neo 3g capable? |
| 11:58.51 | torpor | i don't do calls on my moko yet. with wlan i probably won't bother putting a SIM card in. |
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| 11:58.57 | torpor | but grps is nice for 'net in my hood |
| 11:58.57 | zash | xcasex: no |
| 11:59.09 | xcasex | Tek_Grmln: do not install cu on the moko götterdämmerung! |
| 11:59.10 | torpor | to be honest a phone is the last thing i got the neo for. ;) |
| 11:59.11 | Ghiottone|work | CM: oh yeah I almost forgot :) not that expensive and it might be fun to have :) |
| 11:59.23 | gopi | I'm travelling. I would like to have incoming SMS from my US phone, which costs people zero to send. |
| 11:59.31 | xcasex | the neo is an inexpensive sweet li'l pda |
| 11:59.45 | gopi | Outgoing, though, should be with my local SIM. |
| 11:59.50 | Ghiottone|work | bbl |
| 11:59.56 | gopi | And when somebody calls my US number, I don't want to answer it. |
| 12:00.11 | gopi | I want to pass that phone number to my local SIM or VoIP system and call them back. |
| 12:00.18 | gopi | brb. |
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| 12:01.34 | roh | btw... i approved some frontpage news on projects |
| 12:01.44 | xcasex | roh: link me up scotty :D |
| 12:02.01 | roh | seems i need to look in there more often |
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| 12:02.18 | torpor | if i have two neo's both with wlan, only one of them needs a gprs connection .. |
| 12:03.04 | balrog-kun | cheezo_: solution to what? |
| 12:03.39 | torpor | roh: planet.om .. or .. whats the url again? |
| 12:04.00 | cheezo_ | balrog-kun: hi , the progress bar completes till the end and after that nothing happens |
| 12:05.12 | balrog-kun | cheezo_: hmm, with a recent OpenMoko? |
| 12:05.16 | balrog-kun | i will have to try it |
| 12:05.37 | cheezo_ | balrog-kun: yup |
| 12:06.04 | roh | torpor projects.openmoko.org or what do you mean? |
| 12:08.27 | torpor | yeah thats what i meant, what was your url, coz i forgot it .. |
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| 12:11.19 | balrog-kun | cheezo_: here it goes right into the today screen, i will have to download the latest rootfs as this one may be some weeks old |
| 12:11.35 | cheezo_ | ok |
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| 12:24.36 | ahven | btw, when is OpenMoko getting working power management? :) |
| 12:24.49 | ahven | by the time of the launch of GTA02? |
| 12:25.07 | torpor | when is a good question. the only answer is whats sitting in front of you. |
| 12:25.19 | torpor | for me, power has been 'manageable' with the neo1973 for a long time. but i do not use its phone feature. |
| 12:25.46 | torpor | if that is an issue, then probably the answer is: when the gta02 is ready for release, openmoko will have changed a *lot* from what it is now. |
| 12:27.13 | torpor | ar |
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| 12:30.20 | ahven | blah, vnc and X doesn't like alt+tab's at all |
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| 12:55.03 | wampie | Hey all! |
| 12:55.17 | opo|away | hey |
| 12:55.50 | wampie | I've got a pretty specific question |
| 12:56.02 | opo|away | hm |
| 12:56.11 | wampie | I am organising an Open Communications seminar in february |
| 12:56.30 | wampie | All about Open Source communication technology |
| 12:56.32 | opo|away | ok |
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| 12:57.01 | wampie | Asterisk, OpenWengo, ENUM that kind off stuff |
| 12:57.29 | wampie | I was wondering if there's anyone here who could tell something about Openmoko |
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| 12:58.08 | ruskie | hmm wouldn't that be a bit better to put to the mailing list? |
| 12:58.18 | wampie | ruskie: ok! |
| 12:58.31 | opo|away | :) |
| 12:58.42 | wampie | Which one would you recommend? |
| 12:59.13 | wampie | 'cause of the directness of it :) |
| 12:59.15 | CM | wampie: Where is that seminar? |
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| 13:00.12 | wampie | Utrecht, The Netherlands |
| 13:00.17 | torpor | ask away, here or the list. |
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| 13:02.45 | wampie | Is there an active Dutch Open moko community? |
| 13:03.03 | torpor | dunno |
| 13:03.22 | torpor | possibly. |
| 13:03.22 | CM | wampie: Looks like it: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Local_Groups#Europe |
| 13:03.38 | torpor | lots of germans though. those are like, dutch, only they don't eat fish. |
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| 13:03.46 | CM | torpor: Hehe |
| 13:03.53 | wampie | yups indeed! Thanks! |
| 13:04.05 | torpor | anyone done a subversion port to neo-native? |
| 13:04.08 | I-MOD | wampie, got any good speakers for the asterisk portion of the seminar? |
| 13:04.17 | wampie | torpor, I guess i'll just ignore that one |
| 13:04.30 | torpor | wampie: itz gut, nur witze .. |
| 13:05.01 | wampie | I-MOD, Ie got Olle Johansson for the Asterisk part |
| 13:05.24 | I-MOD | i was going to suggest mark, but olle is pretty good too |
| 13:05.30 | wampie | from edvina |
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| 13:05.35 | I-MOD | i know him |
| 13:05.37 | wampie | k |
| 13:05.49 | wampie | He really great |
| 13:06.10 | I-MOD | of asterisk, that is |
| 13:06.11 | wampie | We had him last year as a speaker too |
| 13:06.26 | wampie | I-MOD, also an asterisk Developer |
| 13:06.28 | wampie | ? |
| 13:06.44 | wampie | Perhapse you know mvanbaak too? |
| 13:06.56 | I-MOD | no, I'm not a dev guy, i do hardware stuff at digium |
| 13:07.14 | wampie | kewl |
| 13:07.16 | wampie | :) |
| 13:07.26 | wampie | I am a test user |
| 13:07.30 | CM | wampie: What about OpenWengo? |
| 13:07.30 | I-MOD | its a fun place to work |
| 13:07.46 | wampie | Dave is in China :((( |
| 13:07.49 | dneary | hi |
| 13:07.51 | wampie | hey! |
| 13:07.55 | wampie | \I emailed you |
| 13:07.56 | wampie | lol |
| 13:08.08 | dneary | CM: You should probably point somewhere else... /me is leaving Wengo |
| 13:08.16 | dneary | Hi wampie |
| 13:08.19 | CM | dneary: Ah, ok :) |
| 13:08.22 | dneary | Not in China |
| 13:08.25 | wampie | ow? |
| 13:08.32 | mbuf | does the Neo simply shutdown with recent builds, or, are my batteries weak? |
| 13:08.36 | dneary | Sorry - I have been thinking about who else might be interested |
| 13:08.36 | wampie | Thought you said that last friday |
| 13:08.58 | dneary | wampie: I *will* be in China, during your conference |
| 13:09.18 | wampie | yups, that was what I meant |
| 13:09.47 | wampie | That you won't be available at the time of the conference |
| 13:11.03 | wampie | I-MOD, I married to an Asterisk-maniac |
| 13:11.05 | wampie | lol |
| 13:11.26 | wampie | Integrating Asterisk with MythTV |
| 13:11.47 | wampie | and the coffeemachine will be his next project |
| 13:12.05 | wampie | So he can call home, so his coffee will be ready when he gets there |
| 13:12.08 | CM | wampie: Hehe.. Call 555-2132323 for a cup of coffee? |
| 13:12.12 | CM | :) |
| 13:12.13 | wampie | sort off |
| 13:12.15 | wampie | :) |
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| 13:16.14 | I-MOD | wampie, good for you |
| 13:16.37 | wampie | Well..... I dunno |
| 13:16.49 | I-MOD | :) |
| 13:16.57 | wampie | Like they say at Digium: The wife is the best testuser |
| 13:17.18 | wampie | but it sometimes gets quite irritating I can tell you, hahahahaha |
| 13:17.28 | I-MOD | yeah....we do that with appliances and analog cards on occasion |
| 13:17.41 | xcasex | CM: you little bastard, you're swedish? |
| 13:17.56 | CM | xcasex: Givetvis :P |
| 13:18.05 | xcasex | CM: din förbenade lilla rackare ;) |
| 13:18.38 | CM | I Göteborg nu, men på väg till Stockholm :) |
| 13:18.47 | xcasex | CM: såg att du är norrifrån, vilken by? ;) |
| 13:18.53 | CM | Uuuume |
| 13:18.58 | xcasex | men va? |
| 13:19.04 | xcasex | CM: jag är i umeå. |
| 13:19.19 | CM | Hehe |
| 13:19.25 | xcasex | CM: säg, är du i umeå över jul? |
| 13:19.27 | borg_ | you have a word with 4 u's in swedish? |
| 13:19.27 | wampie | Waar hebben die gasten het over? |
| 13:19.29 | borg_ | lol :) |
| 13:19.39 | CM | xcasex: Sure will |
| 13:19.51 | xcasex | borg_: no that's flemish with all thsoe ghastly long words |
| 13:19.54 | mbuf | what is the battery status variable in /sys? |
| 13:19.57 | opo|away | lol |
| 13:19.57 | xcasex | this is just swedish with some pun in it ;D |
| 13:20.23 | xcasex | CM: then I think you and I should talk somewhere around the holidays. |
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| 13:21.44 | zash | folk i umeå den 26e? |
| 13:21.47 | mbuf | xcasex, aren't your holidays over? sommer is over |
| 13:22.04 | CM | zash: Jo, jag ska köra upp 21:a tänkte jag |
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| 13:22.25 | mmazur | Are there any known hw bugs in the neos that got sold a few months ago? |
| 13:22.34 | CM | mbuf: We have christmas holidays |
| 13:22.37 | xcasex | CM: kanon ;) |
| 13:22.43 | xcasex | zash: var är du i svedala? |
| 13:22.51 | zash | ümeå! |
| 13:22.55 | mbuf | CM, ok |
| 13:22.59 | zash | ;D |
| 13:23.11 | xcasex | zash: eh? pallra dig ner till café station runt 18 ;) |
| 13:23.55 | zash | xcasex: den 26e ||? |
| 13:24.00 | xcasex | idag. |
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| 13:24.30 | wampie | So I guess Iĺl just have to get in contact with the dutchies on the wiki? |
| 13:24.55 | wampie | Any other recommendations on cool speakers? |
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| 13:26.34 | mbuf | wampie, there is also #openmoko-fi? i believe there is a group in University of Helsinki |
| 13:27.17 | wampie | mbuf, thanks :0 |
| 13:27.20 | wampie | :) |
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| 13:27.50 | wampie | There's also an Belgian Dude at the wiki, but no way yto contact him,.. hmmz |
| 13:28.09 | zash | xcasex: hm.. |
| 13:28.46 | mbuf | wampie, just send e-mail to openmoko-community list; and people will respond |
| 13:29.08 | wampie | k :) |
| 13:29.23 | wampie | Iĺl probably have to subscribe for that |
| 13:30.37 | CM | wampie: Ask koen maybe? |
| 13:30.47 | wampie | is that Koen vervloesem? |
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| 13:30.53 | wampie | or another Koen? |
| 13:31.04 | xcasex | zash: make up your mind sonny ;) |
| 13:31.11 | wampie | Koen is Steamrunner right? |
| 13:31.16 | CM | No, Koen Kooi, open embedded |
| 13:31.35 | CM | Just know he's in .nl :) |
| 13:31.45 | CM | Ångström distribution too |
| 13:32.27 | wampie | well CM .be to be exact, but it will be .nl soon |
| 13:32.30 | wampie | lol |
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| 13:33.10 | CM | Hehe |
| 13:33.19 | zash | xcasex: vågar jag? ska dit på onsdag annars |
| 13:34.00 | xcasex | jag har tid idag. annars är jag upptagen med kundbesök veckan ut |
| 13:34.02 | balrog-kun | CM: afaik he's in .de |
| 13:34.15 | Fatal | heh, coworker lives in svedala |
| 13:34.17 | CM | balrog-kun: Koen? Hmm.. |
| 13:34.22 | balrog-kun | yep |
| 13:35.02 | wampie | .de is close enough too |
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| 13:36.40 | CM | But he'll just speak about Ångström anyway, since OpenMoko is based on that |
| 13:38.23 | xcasex | zash f.ö det var till dig. |
| 13:39.07 | zash | fattade det :) |
| 13:39.12 | wampie | perhapse samson 007 |
| 13:39.21 | wampie | or felix would be an option too |
| 13:39.41 | wampie | From the Düsseldorf group |
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| 13:40.06 | CM | wampie: Just ask around in here a few times, someone will surely be interested :) |
| 13:40.13 | wampie | prolly! |
| 13:40.16 | wampie | :) |
| 13:40.35 | wampie | And it gives me the opportunity to IRC in my bosses time ;) |
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| 13:43.24 | xcasex | zash: pm'a övrigt, fika med jobbet nu. |
| 13:43.35 | mbuf | how to check battery charged value in recent builds? "cat `find /sys | grep battvolt` returns too many opened files |
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| 13:47.02 | CM | mbuf: It's not in /sys/bus/i2c/devices/0-0008/battvolt any more? |
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| 13:47.23 | CM | mbuf: Maybe /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-0/0-0008/battvolt ? |
| 13:47.42 | mbuf | CM, have to check; by the time, i open a terminal, the Neo shuts down :( December 8th build |
| 13:47.55 | CM | Oh :( |
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| 13:48.31 | mbuf | CM, remove battery, keep it aside for some time, put it back after few minutes, power up, and sometimes powers up |
| 13:52.28 | balrog-kun | these should be the same file |
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| 13:54.39 | balrog-kun | in sysfs you can use a number of different paths to get to every device, |
| 13:55.01 | balrog-kun | basically sysfs is not a tree, it's a graph that can have cycles |
| 13:59.47 | mbuf | CM, balrog-kun battvolt is 3093 |
| 13:59.47 | Writchie | morning mickeyl |
| 13:59.49 | mbuf | CM, balrog-kun and it keeps decreasing, every time i check it |
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| 14:05.22 | dread | hi |
| 14:05.35 | mickeyl | hi Writchie |
| 14:05.42 | mickeyl | Writchie: coming further with your MUX ? |
| 14:05.44 | dread | where cn i find information about the error codes shown after entering the PIN |
| 14:05.59 | dread | I'm getting an "PIN error: 16" atm .... |
| 14:06.09 | Writchie | mickeyl: coming along good |
| 14:06.22 | mickeyl | Writchie: if i understand all that correctly (no GSM expert here), then with your MUX stuff in kernel, the design of a gsmd can be much simplified, right? |
| 14:06.29 | Writchie | hope to have a releasable very soon |
| 14:06.32 | Writchie | yes |
| 14:06.36 | mickeyl | awesome news |
| 14:06.40 | mickeyl | fits in my masterplan |
| 14:06.41 | Writchie | it should solve many architectural issues |
| 14:06.43 | mickeyl | ;) |
| 14:06.53 | torpor | geh geh geh |
| 14:06.59 | Writchie | as well as make ppp and fax stuff a snap |
| 14:07.29 | Writchie | the mux party is easy, its the @#$&*(&($*# tty quagmire |
| 14:07.33 | mickeyl | *nod* |
| 14:07.38 | mbuf | balrog-kun, hehe, right now, I can live with it; until I charge the FIC batteries :p |
| 14:07.52 | balrog-kun | i believe gsmd design so far was with muxer being in the kernel in mind |
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| 14:08.10 | mickeyl | well, LaF0rge did the original gsmd in much of a hurry |
| 14:08.11 | balrog-kun | so rather if the muxer is implemented gsmd won't have to become more complex |
| 14:08.20 | balrog-kun | instead of can be simplified |
| 14:08.38 | mickeyl | balrog-kun: yes, which makes me thinking more along gsmd-next-gen than gsmd |
| 14:09.10 | balrog-kun | yeah, may be good idea |
| 14:09.13 | Writchie | it seems up to now using the gsm stack from userland has been very painful |
| 14:09.39 | balrog-kun | although a switch is also a difficult point always |
| 14:10.12 | mickeyl | well, first there will be the dbus abstraction |
| 14:10.20 | mickeyl | then rewriting userland to use that |
| 14:10.28 | mickeyl | then we have all options to change the underlying gsmd implementation |
| 14:10.38 | mickeyl | so... all will be well |
| 14:10.51 | mickeyl | lets see how long that lasts |
| 14:10.51 | mickeyl | heh |
| 14:12.03 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: You are asking me for help on this? |
| 14:12.11 | mickeyl | hahaha |
| 14:12.16 | mickeyl | i knew you would respond here :) |
| 14:12.18 | Mononoke | heh mickeyl distributing optimism all around the chanell |
| 14:12.35 | Mononoke | s/chanell/channel |
| 14:13.10 | mickeyl | i mean really, all is bright and shiny |
| 14:13.21 | mickeyl | as in... the future |
| 14:13.28 | mickeyl | lots of stuff still sucks |
| 14:13.42 | mickeyl | but hey... this is how all major projects start |
| 14:13.42 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: I also see my long term future in shiny and bright light |
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| 14:14.10 | mickeyl | only if you start working at Dr. Lauer's Mobile Technology Institute |
| 14:14.20 | mickeyl | stefan_schmidt: cool, made progress? |
| 14:14.24 | alphaone | Yeah, fun |
| 14:14.32 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: Drop me the contract and you get it signed on thursday |
| 14:14.36 | mickeyl | hehehe |
| 14:14.47 | mickeyl | i only employ people with a Diploma |
| 14:14.50 | mickeyl | :D |
| 14:14.54 | mickeyl | so... |
| 14:14.54 | alphaone | :-) |
| 14:14.54 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: grrr |
| 14:14.55 | mickeyl | HURRY |
| 14:15.08 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: People without are cheaper... |
| 14:15.17 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 14:15.18 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: hahe |
| 14:16.30 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: alphaone discovered that we can use boot_usb with the RAZR2 V8, unfortunately kernel needs to be signed as it looks atm |
| 14:16.36 | mickeyl | suckers :/ |
| 14:16.38 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: Which is a bummer |
| 14:16.45 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: :( |
| 14:17.11 | mickeyl | my only contact @ motorola engineering quit some months ago |
| 14:17.26 | mickeyl | didn't like it there after his company was acquired by moto |
| 14:17.31 | mickeyl | heh |
| 14:17.36 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: I send my ideas about submitting basic EZX stuff upstream to the list and alphaone will work on a pcb for the new debug connector |
| 14:17.38 | alphaone | Well, the basic protocol seems the same, but we need to do more than just push the file and jump to it. |
| 14:17.57 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: nitpicking |
| 14:17.59 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: ;) |
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| 14:18.17 | mickeyl | did you have a chance to check the a1200 status? |
| 14:18.23 | mickeyl | can you boot into X? |
| 14:18.30 | alphaone | Yeah, I'm ordering a laminator to transfer the layout onto the pcb |
| 14:18.32 | mickeyl | [with a working fisplay] |
| 14:18.55 | alphaone | mickeyl: I looked at the display a little but didn't really get anywhere. :-( |
| 14:19.14 | alphaone | Not even with the patches from alex zhang and paolo marques. |
| 14:19.30 | alphaone | That's when I started looking at the razr |
| 14:19.34 | mickeyl | mmh, k |
| 14:19.59 | mwester | mickeyl only employs people with a diploma? Elitist! :P :D |
| 14:20.06 | alphaone | Hehe |
| 14:20.27 | mickeyl | mwester: that's only true for these guys.... |
| 14:20.37 | alphaone | Yeah mickeyl, don't be so elitist :-) |
| 14:20.53 | mickeyl | i won't tempt anyone quitting uni shortly before finishing it |
| 14:21.25 | mickeyl | besides... my technology institute needs one or two years more to be setup |
| 14:21.32 | mickeyl | timing is everything ;) |
| 14:22.22 | alphaone | one - two years should do it |
| 14:22.51 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: Not if you don't go to the lectures. :) |
| 14:22.56 | alphaone | Well, for me at least - if my focus is more university than OM |
| 14:25.36 | mbuf | i like to test the Neo against different distros, PCs; and everytime I change the PC, i get this ssh attac warning; known_hosts is hashed; how to remove old entries? |
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| 14:26.51 | xcasex | mbuf: rm -rf ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 14:26.52 | stefan_schmidt | mbuf: UserKnownHostsFile /dev/null |
| 14:27.05 | xcasex | that works splendid too |
| 14:27.05 | stefan_schmidt | mbuf: In your local ssh config |
| 14:27.22 | mbuf | xcasex, i would like to remove only a specific entry, not all |
| 14:27.27 | stefan_schmidt | xcasex: I have this for the neo only so all other stuff stays in place |
| 14:27.49 | mbuf | stefan_schmidt, ~/.ssh/config? |
| 14:28.03 | stefan_schmidt | mbuf: yeah |
| 14:28.09 | mbuf | stefan_schmidt, ok |
| 14:28.32 | stefan_schmidt | mbuf: http://rafb.net/p/3qW0Yq60.html |
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| 14:29.22 | mbuf | stefan_schmidt, thanks |
| 14:29.51 | balrog-kun | does the u-boot from 2007.11 have a console on the serial port by default? |
| 14:30.06 | balrog-kun | i.e. if you connect the debug board |
| 14:30.18 | dwmw2_BOS | mbuf:also 'sed /192.168.0.202/d -i ~/.ssh/known_hosts' |
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| 14:31.42 | balrog-kun | the manpage says something about wildcards but it seems they only apply to the IP, not to the key |
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| 14:41.25 | freepenguin | hello |
| 14:41.37 | mbuf | "ssh-keygen -F neo", lists the corresponding entry for the neo |
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| 14:53.33 | renatofilho_ | hi guys, I'm using moko finger scroll and I have problems with double click (this make the application freeze), Did anyone have the same problem? |
| 14:55.27 | renatofilho_ | This happen because during the moko_finger_scroll_button_press_cb, I receive a another event type like GDK_2BUTTON_PRESS, GDK_3BUTTON_PRESS and this not match with the last stored value |
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| 14:58.25 | CM | renatofilho_: I think abraxa_, thos and someone more discussed that a few days ago, but i don't remember the details |
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| 15:00.44 | renatofilho_ | abraxa_: you can help me? |
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| 15:03.46 | NineX | http://adrinael.net/wrong15 |
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| 15:09.50 | barmeie1 | after stopping neod I noticed that another power saver is still ative. The backlight was turned off after a couple of minutes. Which process is doing this ? |
| 15:10.38 | mickeyl | X |
| 15:10.51 | mickeyl | you can xset to tweak that |
| 15:11.21 | barmeie1 | ah ok, thanks. |
| 15:11.45 | Stephmw | mickeyl: nice discussion on your blogpost |
| 15:12.07 | mickeyl | yeah, i'm glad people contribute to it |
| 15:12.08 | Stephmw | mickeyl: clearly shows the two ends of the developer base |
| 15:14.08 | Stephmw | on one end, the ones that work in the industry and understand what and why |
| 15:14.11 | CM | Good post too |
| 15:14.31 | Stephmw | on the other end, the desktop/mobile users that want more from their embedded device |
| 15:14.44 | Stephmw | there's a clear need for education :D |
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| 15:19.23 | Stephmw | mickeyl, CM, when I've prepared my informal slides for such education (for FOSDEM) fancy a preview? |
| 15:19.58 | mickeyl | sure thing! |
| 15:19.59 | CM | Stephmw: Yes please :) |
| 15:20.31 | mickeyl | i will add some instructions for how to reproduce the results tomorrow |
| 15:20.32 | Stephmw | great :) will let you know when I'm done - expect January sometime |
| 15:21.22 | CM | Aww... I was hoping for some christmas reading.. ;) |
| 15:28.01 | xcasex | mickeyl: link to blogpost? |
| 15:28.22 | mickeyl | http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2007/12/08/framebuffer-vs-x11/ |
| 15:29.11 | Stephmw | CM: I've gotta overcome my procrastination first :) |
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| 15:29.24 | mickeyl | ah |
| 15:29.35 | mickeyl | "your talk at openexpo in Bern has been accepted, congratulations!" |
| 15:29.38 | Stephmw | CM: also have some coding to do, gotta prepare stuff for FOSDEM too |
| 15:30.14 | Stephmw | depending on use, X11 and associated libs and dependencies are really overkill |
| 15:30.24 | Stephmw | that's really the problem |
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| 15:30.36 | mjr | pfft |
| 15:30.37 | Stephmw | one-size-fits-all doesn't fit all in the embedded world |
| 15:31.04 | mjr | and anyway, gpu |
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| 15:31.18 | Stephmw | mjr: I don't mind disagreeing :) |
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| 15:33.09 | Stephmw | mickeyl: I'd be interested in a review of the benchmarks when acceleration is available |
| 15:33.41 | abraxa_ | renatofilho_: Double click is strongly discouraged from a UI point of view |
| 15:34.56 | mickeyl | Stephmw: for sure. we have Xglamo in working stage now. will do some tests when I got a chance to revive my gta02 |
| 15:35.00 | xcasex | "Shaping a future of ubiquitous and pervasive computing," <--- i like that, where do i sign up? |
| 15:35.21 | xcasex | mickeyl: xglamo ? :D |
| 15:35.37 | mjr | glamo is the gpu |
| 15:35.43 | mickeyl | xcasex: ;) |
| 15:36.00 | mickeyl | xcasex: that's the goal of my secret masterplan ;) |
| 15:37.05 | xcasex | mickeyl: i've been on that path since i got my first linux pda :p |
| 15:37.12 | xcasex | agenda vr3 <3 |
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| 15:41.41 | mickeyl | cool |
| 15:42.02 | mickeyl | right now i'm trying to get nearer this goal by working for OpenMoko, Inc. and doing things like freesmartphone.org |
| 15:42.15 | mickeyl | eventually i will probably need to found an own institute or something |
| 15:42.23 | mickeyl | and get some VC |
| 15:42.29 | mickeyl | to really _push_ it |
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| 15:43.24 | CM | mickeyl: Lots of small steps, but they're all in the right direction :) |
| 15:43.35 | mickeyl | :) |
| 15:43.50 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: Don't disclose everything ;) |
| 15:43.57 | mickeyl | right |
| 15:44.10 | mickeyl | *g* |
| 15:44.32 | alphaone | Not Found |
| 15:44.32 | alphaone | The requested URL /masterplan.txt was not found on this server. |
| 15:44.38 | alphaone | Damn, I was too slow |
| 15:44.40 | mickeyl | hahaha |
| 15:44.49 | alphaone | I wonder if it is in the google cache ;-) |
| 15:45.02 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: Only in the Android-only cache |
| 15:45.05 | Stephmw | stefan_schmidt: good thing you can request removal of cache from archive and google |
| 15:45.30 | stefan_schmidt | Stephmw: Yeah, but we will get it before mickey asks this. :) |
| 15:45.31 | Stephmw | anyway the 'get idea, get VCs, get rich' scheme is pretty common these days |
| 15:46.12 | stefan_schmidt | prefers |
| 15:46.30 | xcasex | i prefer the "working monotone server" way *stabs randomly* |
| 15:46.51 | alphaone | http://www.interhemd.de/burn.html |
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| 16:00.09 | mickeyl | cute |
| 16:00.18 | mickeyl | so that's the t-shirt i should wear when i go Klinkenputzen? |
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| 16:07.16 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03chris * r3624 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 16:07.16 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/sms-contacts.c: (contacts_iter_compare_func), |
| 16:07.16 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (sms_contacts_page_new): |
| 16:07.16 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Sort higher priorities first, rather than last and add a special |
| 16:07.16 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 'unknown' contact for messages from people not in the list |
| 16:07.19 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/sms-notes.c: (page_shown), (sms_notes_page_new): |
| 16:07.21 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Handle the 'unknown' contact |
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| 16:13.05 | renatofilho_ | abraxa_: but I did not use double click, is the moko finger scroll is receiving this. |
| 16:13.47 | renatofilho_ | abraxa_: How I can avoid this? |
| 16:14.45 | abraxa_ | renatofilho_: Are you evaluating/handling the GDK_2/3BUTTON_PRESS events also? |
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| 16:17.05 | renatofilho_ | abraxa_: Im using libcc probably he do this, but I'm not connected with this event |
| 16:17.44 | abraxa_ | What's libcc? |
| 16:17.53 | renatofilho_ | abraxa_: a gtkcanvas |
| 16:18.01 | abraxa_ | Ah, hm |
| 16:19.14 | abraxa_ | Well, it's unfortunate but the MokoFingerScroll widget does emit button press events even when they shouldn't be emitted from a program logic point of view |
| 16:19.36 | abraxa_ | That needs to be fixed in the widget itself but no one worked on that yet |
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| 16:25.00 | renatofilho_ | abraxa_: but the problem is: when I click twice on my object the MokoFingerScroll receive a button press event with type GDK_2BUTTON_PRESS, and the stored value in priv structure is GDK_BUTTON_PRESS because the last event, this cause a loop on fingerscroll button press event function |
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| 16:29.58 | xcasex | zash: there? |
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| 16:38.34 | renatofilho_ | abraxa_: take a look http://pastebin.com/d195545f8, This is ugly but this fix my problem and I do not know if is it the right way to solve the problem |
| 16:42.54 | abraxa__ | renatofilho_: I'm afraid I'm the wrong person to judge that - I suggest you write a short mail to thomas@openedhand.com and see what he says |
| 16:43.29 | renatofilho_ | abraxa__: ok thanks for you help |
| 16:43.38 | abraxa__ | You're welcome |
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| 17:47.05 | yoyo | helow |
| 17:48.36 | yoyo | it's frizzy out side. |
| 17:50.43 | Henkie | link in topic is broken |
| 17:51.01 | Henkie | never mind, my client acted up |
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| 18:53.02 | _whitenoise_ | hi |
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| 19:35.35 | NineX | what is a difference betwen openmoko-agpsui2 and scaredycat-agpsui2? |
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| 19:36.47 | wampie | balrog-kun, do you perhapse remember our conversation earlier today? |
| 19:37.27 | wampie | or CM ? |
| 19:37.51 | MookiE_ | hello. if i want to make "ipkg update" the last 4 files throw this error: "wget: server returned error 404: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found" what can i do now? must i change the *.conf files in /etc/ipkg or can i download the right .conf files? |
| 19:38.21 | CVirus | Maybe March as of last update ?? |
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| 19:38.35 | CVirus | what last update ? |
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| 19:38.46 | CVirus | the last update never mentioned anything about it |
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| 19:41.47 | mickeyl | i broke the updates config |
| 19:41.50 | mickeyl | safe to ignore |
| 19:42.08 | mickeyl | i expect the one who takes care of the snapshot feed (if there is someone like that) to fix that with the next update |
| 19:42.13 | NineX | CVirus: do you know what ScaredyCat messed in openmoko-agpsui2, so they "forked" special package to show us this/? |
| 19:42.42 | CVirus | NineX: huh ? |
| 19:42.50 | NineX | ninex@hamer ~/Desktop $ ls |grep agps |
| 19:42.50 | NineX | openmoko-agpsui2_0.1.0+svnr3372-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 19:42.50 | NineX | scaredycat-agpsui2_0.1.0+svnr1-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 19:43.30 | NineX | CVirus: i installed this packages, when i run i see the same program so i don't know wher to find a difference |
| 19:43.33 | NineX | :P) |
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| 19:53.35 | _whitenoise_ | hi all, when neo 1973 will exit? there are dates? |
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| 20:01.46 | PP|Spydon | Lo ppl |
| 20:02.21 | PP|Spydon | I just wonder if I can expect the gta02 to be ready in like 3 months? :P |
| 20:02.43 | p0seid0n | i hope so too ;-) |
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| 20:04.38 | thomasg__ | ready for mass-market: nope (imho) |
| 20:04.45 | thomasg__ | ready in hardware: hope so. |
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| 20:09.44 | linuxxr | http://buglabs.net/ check out this tool |
| 20:10.10 | linuxxr | too many modules |
| 20:14.42 | Mek | I especially like the Teleporter that will be available Q1 2008... |
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| 20:16.27 | linuxxr | lol |
| 20:16.39 | balrog-kun | mabye they could build a teleported device into the gta03 |
| 20:17.09 | xzcvczx | balrog-kun: does that mean we can expect it in 2734? |
| 20:17.32 | linuxxr | yay but all those modules hell i would need 9 at least |
| 20:17.57 | linuxxr | yay in the gtb 09 |
| 20:18.27 | balrog-kun | xzcvczx: i'm not sure, i think in Q2 2734 they may be releasing gta04 already |
| 20:18.36 | balrog-kun | but you know, there may be slips |
| 20:18.45 | linuxxr | lol |
| 20:19.00 | xzcvczx | haha |
| 20:19.12 | xzcvczx | freezer* |
| 20:19.14 | linuxxr | y we need hardware |
| 20:19.21 | linuxxr | we need hardware |
| 20:22.16 | Varox_NB | *snief* waiting till march? |
| 20:24.11 | PP|Spydon | how long ~does it take for a neo1973 to boot up openmoko? |
| 20:24.33 | p0seid0n | hey guys. has someone ever build a moko-image to run within xephyr on a regular x86 ? |
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| 20:25.30 | linuxxr | i think so |
| 20:26.03 | p0seid0n | i just wont compile for me due to some problems with uboot. Do you know i can exclude uboot from the build ? |
| 20:26.14 | p0seid0n | i'm using MokoMakefile |
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| 20:27.40 | balrog-kun | PP|Spydon: iirc some 1:30 in recent versions, but it depends on many things |
| 20:27.50 | balrog-kun | p0seid0n: yes, you don't need u-boot |
| 20:28.23 | p0seid0n | right, how can i exclude it from the build ? |
| 20:29.04 | xcasex | say. can i just grab the angstrom feeds for my nslu2 as well ? i mean.. the moko grabs it. |
| 20:29.15 | xcasex | the nslu2 is on the same $arch |
| 20:29.38 | balrog-kun | p0seid0n: i don't know |
| 20:29.42 | mickeyl | 1:13 to boot. 18 seconds to init, + 55 seconds to X, + 38 seconds to usable UI |
| 20:29.45 | mickeyl | just measured |
| 20:29.58 | balrog-kun | i know u-boot won't build for x86 or anything besides mips and ARM iirc |
| 20:30.18 | PP|Spydon | okay, balrog-kun |
| 20:30.28 | p0seid0n | balrog-kun: thanks anyhow, i will try find out. |
| 20:31.13 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: So we need to focus on init/upstart and GUI speedup instead of system level |
| 20:31.48 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: Perhaps we can gain 8-10 seconds in bootloader and kernel the biggest problem is the stuff above |
| 20:31.55 | xcasex | mwester: ping |
| 20:32.16 | mickeyl | stefan_schmidt: yes |
| 20:32.27 | balrog-kun | mickeyl: i guess many things have been added since i last made my measures, which was maybe 8 months ago |
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| 20:32.30 | mickeyl | we can do most by revamping init and starting UI earlier |
| 20:32.37 | balrog-kun | but it's difficult to tell without a stopwatch |
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| 20:33.26 | mickeyl | we can do a lot of crazy things |
| 20:33.32 | mickeyl | like |
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| 20:33.38 | mickeyl | writing the dialer and contacts application with E |
| 20:33.43 | mickeyl | then launching them in init 1 |
| 20:33.47 | mickeyl | on framebuffer |
| 20:33.49 | xcasex | <3 |
| 20:33.52 | mickeyl | in the background continuing to launch X |
| 20:33.56 | mickeyl | and once X is up |
| 20:33.59 | mickeyl | change to X backend |
| 20:34.00 | mickeyl | :D |
| 20:34.02 | mickeyl | all possible |
| 20:34.17 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: Let us start with updstart, massive parallel starts and early X |
| 20:34.19 | xcasex | you know why i bought the neo mickeyl ? raster is onboard. that was the dealbreaker for me. |
| 20:34.35 | stefan_schmidt | xcasex: heh |
| 20:34.37 | kinneh | xcasex: lol |
| 20:35.21 | xcasex | i'm easy ;) |
| 20:35.25 | mickeyl | stefan_schmidt: yes. IIRC XorA|gone is working on that |
| 20:35.58 | xcasex | i had been eyeing it since news came about, and had some ideas, then thos converted me, then i got my current job, then it all got nteresting when carsten got hired ; |
| 20:36.01 | xcasex | ;D |
| 20:36.12 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: I know. Just want to pointed out to start with this, measure again and improve from this step-by-step |
| 20:36.21 | xcasex | that and the client spec. i got a month ago. "we want voip on these two devices" |
| 20:36.29 | mickeyl | stefan_schmidt: you don't like the idea of rewriting contacts and dialer? |
| 20:36.47 | stefan_schmidt | xcasex: Looks like a nice job |
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| 20:36.55 | alphaone | mickeyl: Yet again? |
| 20:37.01 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 20:37.20 | xcasex | stefan_schmidt: i like to refer to it as my dream job ;) working full time on open source + consulting with large corporations. |
| 20:37.32 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: I could life with this, but not yet. We need upstart and other speedups anyway, so do this first |
| 20:37.41 | mickeyl | stefan_schmidt: full ACK. |
| 20:38.09 | stefan_schmidt | xcasex: I know what you mean. But still this can also be hard. When cooperate and FOSS comes together |
| 20:38.26 | xcasex | stefan_schmidt: handling egos is hard in any cooperative enviroment :) |
| 20:38.28 | stefan_schmidt | xcasex: But as mickeyl always said "All will become fine" |
| 20:38.44 | xcasex | he's right. |
| 20:38.49 | stefan_schmidt | xcasex: I have enough to do to handle my own. ;) |
| 20:38.57 | xcasex | stefan_schmidt: i think we all do :) |
| 20:39.05 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: I had a phone call with Sean today... |
| 20:39.09 | xcasex | i'm just in it for the bt pan automagic :) |
| 20:39.21 | mickeyl | stefan_schmidt: really? nice, any public news? |
| 20:40.21 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: No, motivation/clarification |
| 20:40.40 | alphaone | Meaning our motivation |
| 20:40.40 | mickeyl | good |
| 20:40.58 | mickeyl | did it improve |
| 20:41.02 | mickeyl | or got worse? |
| 20:41.07 | alphaone | Sean said something along the lines All will be great |
| 20:41.16 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 20:41.24 | alphaone | It actually improved |
| 20:41.43 | xcasex | all i'm saying is that efl was designed for mobile clients. |
| 20:41.44 | alphaone | At least I got the impression from watching Stefan |
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| 20:41.56 | mickeyl | good. let's hope we can carry this over until Thursday ;) |
| 20:42.44 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: heh |
| 20:42.57 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: What was about this contract thing again? |
| 20:43.38 | mickeyl | hehe |
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| 20:44.50 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: Let me know when you will arrive on thursday. I will be at the station then. |
| 20:45.25 | mickeyl | 09:58 |
| 20:45.32 | mickeyl | Gleis 7 |
| 20:45.59 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: OK, then please leave the station at the Sued Ausgang |
| 20:46.07 | mickeyl | will do |
| 20:46.15 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: That is right next to Gleis 7 when you go down |
| 20:46.41 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: The parking space on this side is bigger. I will wait at the entrance for you |
| 20:46.51 | mickeyl | oki |
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| 21:23.36 | zash | xcasex: what? |
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| 21:32.11 | xcasex | zash: nm |
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| 21:44.48 | Vegar | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS4736611979.html |
| 21:44.54 | Vegar | "First Linux phone standard ships" |
| 21:45.25 | Stephmw | yeah.. LiPS |
| 21:46.27 | Stephmw | the member's list speaks for itself |
| 21:48.39 | Vegar | are there plans on making openmoko compatible in a way? |
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| 21:49.49 | stefan_schmidt | Vegar: There is ongoing work between LiPS and OM @ freesmartphone.org |
| 21:49.56 | stefan_schmidt | Vegar: Ask mickeyl about details |
| 21:50.09 | Vegar | cool |
| 21:50.30 | pirulo | Hi, I couldn't find updated info on when the "public" version will be out, I am already suffering deprivation syndrome. Does anybody know when? |
| 21:50.35 | Vegar | very cool |
| 21:51.21 | stefan_schmidt | pirulo: There no "new" updates. If you follow the Community updates from Michael you will miss nothing |
| 21:51.51 | stefan_schmidt | Vegar: Not following everything but at least be compatible on the phone server part and perhaps other stuff |
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| 21:52.59 | Vegar | stefan_schmidt: yeah, that's very cool |
| 21:53.27 | pirulo | stefan: sorry for my lack of understanding, where do I find Michael's updates? |
| 21:53.44 | stefan_schmidt | pirulo: On the community ml and in the wiki |
| 21:54.03 | stefan_schmidt | pirulo: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
| 21:54.17 | pirulo | Thanks, |
| 21:54.32 | stefan_schmidt | pirulo: But as I said. No update on the GTA02 date |
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| 21:56.37 | xzcvczx | nnpiggy: hey thanks.... wow that was fast for normal postage received them yesterday... am about to go add them to my phone now |
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| 22:01.46 | ziphyx | hi peopz |
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| 22:02.09 | ziphyx | are there any information about the second handy from fic? |
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| 22:04.12 | pirulo | stefan: I'll see if I can wait a little more, specially because of the wifi on GTA02, |
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| 22:05.10 | opo|away | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02#.22Phase_2.22_.28GTA02.2C_.22Mass_Market.22.29 |
| 22:05.11 | opo|away | ^^ |
| 22:05.22 | stefan_schmidt | pirulo: I can understand waiting is hard. But we can not allow to ship broken hw (again) |
| 22:05.57 | Vegar | are the 01bv4s broken? |
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| 22:06.13 | stefan_schmidt | opo|away: That needs to get corrected. |
| 22:06.28 | stefan_schmidt | Vegar: Not besides the quad-band problem |
| 22:06.37 | Vegar | ah, yeah |
| 22:06.52 | Vegar | hehe |
| 22:06.54 | stefan_schmidt | Vegar: But as I like as-perfect-as-possible hw I consider this as a problem |
| 22:07.09 | Vegar | the quad-band thing was a major flaw |
| 22:07.18 | stefan_schmidt | And GTA02 is the hell more complex with all the new chips inside |
| 22:07.23 | stefan_schmidt | Vegar: :( |
| 22:07.41 | Vegar | it's kinda funny |
| 22:08.12 | Vegar | everyone thinks it's quad-band, even you guys |
| 22:08.55 | pirulo | stefan: sounds very reasonable, |
| 22:09.32 | Vegar | not that it bothers me |
| 22:09.35 | stefan_schmidt | pirulo: Yeah, the only downside is that you guys have to wait longer. :) |
| 22:10.21 | pirulo | we'll do, I am just not rich (or as far from poverty) enough to buy two, |
| 22:10.42 | pirulo | but I may if the wait gets too long |
| 22:10.57 | stefan_schmidt | Vegar: Still a big problem for us. Let's see what the hw guys can come up with. I have no more information as you guys on this. Being not involved in hw has good and bad sides. |
| 22:11.36 | stefan_schmidt | pirulo: If you plan to use it as your day phone you should wait for GTA02 |
| 22:11.57 | pirulo | stefan: i'll do then, |
| 22:12.10 | stefan_schmidt | pirulo: If you like to develop a lot on the phones GTA01 could still be interesting. |
| 22:12.42 | stefan_schmidt | For me a devel phone can not be the same as my day phone. It will almost never work without problems :) |
| 22:12.55 | xzcvczx | dammit i have lost the 2 screwdrivers i could open my phone with |
| 22:13.04 | pirulo | not a lot, I am mostly a higher level programmer, (jargon for not a clue about c or c++) |
| 22:13.26 | stefan_schmidt | pirulo: I would say wait for GTA02 |
| 22:20.01 | pirulo | ok, |
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| 22:22.53 | orospakr | hm, does the GTA01 have the same hardware power management bugs as the early revs of GTA02 did? |
| 22:23.15 | orospakr | ie., is there hope for a future release of the software turning the GTA01 into a serviceable tri-band phone? |
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| 22:34.27 | yoyo | sii ja |
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| 23:13.58 | ciacon_ | hi all |
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| 23:15.27 | ajbrun | lo |
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| 23:55.56 | xzcvczx | roh: you around? |
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