IRC log for #openmoko on 20071209

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06:59.48X704woch, they pushed the estimates back to march?
06:59.53X704*woah
07:00.04SpeedEvilaboout that.
07:00.30SpeedEvilCurrently the hardware has known bugs that mean they want to make a new revision.
07:00.55SpeedEvilhowever, they have not as yet evaluated the wifi and other stuff that works adequately enough to commit to this new revision.
07:01.12SpeedEvilto see if there need to be wifi or other hardware bugs fixed too.
07:01.49X704ah, so it is not the software end as much as the hardware?
07:01.50SpeedEvilAfter that's decided, the new revision gets built, a few tested internally, then more built, tested externally, and then finally it ships.
07:02.07SpeedEvilWell - much of the delay in the first part is software.
07:02.24SpeedEvilthere are no video or wifi drivers in a state adequate to fully test the software
07:02.39SpeedEvilbut it's not the application software
07:02.39mwesterAnd of course, if you're looking for a phone that will work in North America, it's even further out.
07:03.37X704I got to play around with openmoko/Neo1973 a bit... very fun :)
07:04.14X704are they changing any of the general specs?
07:04.54X704like maybe a slightly more battery or something?
07:05.17X704s/a //g
07:05.35X704woah, nice bot... lol :)
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07:11.03SpeedEvilyes, more, and more complex battery.
07:11.33SpeedEvilWhich is (IMO) of limited use. (the complexity)
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07:12.57X704SpeedEvil: I'm obviously ignorant... how can you make a battery more complex?
07:17.46ckuethein-package monitoring
07:18.19ckuethea "smart" battery that tries to tell you all about itself, rather than making you estimate capacity based on things like voltage, current and temperature
07:18.54X704ah, so some electronics as part of the battery package
07:19.16ckuethewell, more than the simple safety package
07:19.16X704ok
07:19.22ckuethethat'd be my guess...
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07:24.50X704final question... does march seem reasonable to actually come out? or will there be more delays?
07:25.12SpeedEvilMy objection is purely that you can get to within about 10% or better on battery life without the circuitry - which makes both the phone and the battery more expensive.
07:26.14SpeedEvilNot to mention delaying the release.
07:26.37cheezoIDENTIFY chiragjog
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07:45.40CoreDumpthat probably wasn't the most intelligent thing to do in a channel with 300+ people ;)
07:48.24infurnusXD
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07:56.53X704CoreDump: are you talking to me? If so then why could that be?
07:57.30CoreDumpI was talking about cheezo
07:57.57X704ah, ok :)
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08:02.24infurnuslol
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10:10.15nadioHow mutch ram does openmoko have?
10:10.56madwootayou mean the neo1973?
10:11.00nadioYes
10:11.08X704lol
10:11.13nadio?
10:11.33madwootahttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973
10:12.25nadioYes but I dont see any ram specification?
10:12.50madwootaeh?
10:13.37nadiomemory, ram, not flash memory
10:14.19madwootahttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA02_Hardware#RAM
10:14.27ziluxnadio: 128Mb
10:14.32madwootawhich is a link off the first page
10:14.36madwootareal hard to find too
10:14.53nadiok thanks, sorry jus fast forwarded the specifications
10:15.17nadio128MB SDRAM can this be upgraded?
10:15.34madwootadepends how good your sodlering skills are
10:15.39madwootasoldering*
10:16.18nadioSo not by lego building.
10:16.32madwootaprobably not, no
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10:24.02techindiandear all, my ssh client takes around 50 to 60 secs to connect to openmoko. any reasons?
10:26.14SpeedEvilssh -V - or whatever the 'trace' option is?
10:26.21SpeedEvilnameservice problems?
10:27.05techindianOpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-8ubuntu1, OpenSSL 0.9.8c 05 Sep 2006
10:27.12techindiandebug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
10:27.12techindiandebug1: Applying options for *
10:27.12techindiandebug1: Connecting to 192.168.68.2 [192.168.68.2] port 22.
10:27.12techindiandebug1: Connection established.
10:27.12techindiandebug1: identity file /home/k/.ssh/identity type -1
10:27.15techindiandebug1: identity file /home/k/.ssh/id_rsa type -1
10:27.17techindiandebug1: identity file /home/k/.ssh/id_dsa type -1
10:27.19techindiandebug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version dropbear_0.49
10:27.21techindiandebug1: no match: dropbear_0.49
10:27.23techindiandebug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0
10:27.25techindiandebug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-8ubuntu1
10:27.27techindiandebug1: An invalid name was supplied
10:27.29techindianCannot determine realm for numeric host address
10:27.31techindiandebug1: An invalid name was supplied
10:27.33techindianA parameter was malformed
10:27.35techindianValidation error
10:27.37techindiandebug1: An invalid name was supplied
10:27.38rwhitby~pastebin
10:27.39apt[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste
10:27.39techindianCannot determine realm for numeric host address
10:27.41techindiandebug1: An invalid name was supplied
10:27.45techindianA parameter was malformed
10:27.47techindianValidation error
10:27.49techindiandebug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent
10:27.51techindiandebug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received
10:27.53techindiandebug1: kex: server->client aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none
10:27.55techindiandebug1: kex: client->server aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none
10:27.57techindiandebug1: sending SSH2_MSG_KEXDH_INIT
10:27.59techindiandebug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEXDH_REPLY
10:28.01techindiandebug1: Host '192.168.68.2' is known and matches the RSA host key.
10:28.03techindiandebug1: Found key in /home/k/.ssh/known_hosts:1
10:28.05techindiandebug1: ssh_rsa_verify: signature correct
10:28.07techindiandebug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent
10:28.08CoreDump.....
10:28.09techindiandebug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS
10:28.11techindiandebug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received
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10:28.13rwhitbySpeedEvil: let's just hope it show's his password ...
10:28.15techindiandebug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST sent
10:28.17techindiandebug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received
10:28.19techindiandebug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password
10:28.21techindiandebug1: Next authentication method: publickey
10:28.23techindiandebug1: Trying private key: /home/k/.ssh/identity
10:28.23CoreDumpkick him
10:28.25techindiandebug1: Trying private key: /home/k/.ssh/id_rsa
10:28.27techindiandebug1: Trying private key: /home/k/.ssh/id_dsa
10:28.29techindiandebug1: Next authentication method: password
10:28.31techindianroot@192.168.68.2's password:
10:28.33techindiandebug1: Authentication succeeded (password).
10:28.35techindiandebug1: channel 0: new [client-session]
10:28.37techindiandebug1: Entering interactive session.
10:28.39techindiandebug1: Sending environment.
10:28.39rwhitbydoh! no password.
10:28.41techindiandebug1: Sending env LANG = en_US.UTF-8
10:28.45techindiansure..
10:28.53CoreDumpwtf dude
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10:31.22SpeedEvilare you sshing to the direct address, and does it respond to pings promptlly?
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10:43.33ortalohello
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11:27.01cdbot2* * OM Bug 1106 has been created by cayco(AT)cayco.pl
11:27.02cdbot2* * Clicking on "Missed calls" message interrupts panel
11:27.03cdbot2* * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1106
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12:27.21ajbrunlo
12:27.32infurnusdoes anybody have an image for a treo 650?
12:27.36infurnusor know where to download one
12:28.31ajbrunhttp://www.news.com/i/ne/p/2004/treo650_340x719.jpg
12:28.33ajbrun:p
12:28.34cjb_iepalm.com? ;-)
12:28.46infurnusXD
12:28.54infurnusopenmoko image*
12:29.00ajbrunother than that, no :D
12:29.12Linux_Galorelol
12:29.16infurnusI've tried angstrom+opie
12:29.41Linux_Galoreinfurnus: build it yourself
12:29.52AciDhum, if I want to try openmoko on an ipaq hx4700, is there any howto out there ? I've seen their is some materials on http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?name=moko&action=search
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12:30.59infurnusor plain dont know
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12:32.38AciDok got a link form the wiki, but http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/openmoko-running-on-an-ipaq seems to be down. Is there any other howto ?
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12:55.51ortaloanyone tried to compile openmoko-mediaplayer2 recently?
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12:57.33abraxa_ortalo: Got problems with that?
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13:28.32ortaloyes, no way to build mediaplayer2 (strange configure issues)
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13:34.06CIA-23openmoko: 03andrew * r3616 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ (qemu-timer.h usb-linux-gadget.c vl.c): Add timer debugging helpers and an ugly hack with no other purpose than to make usb-gadgetfs work until we can switch to AIO.
13:34.37Sup3rkiddoyay
13:35.01abraxa_ortalo: Can you show me the output in a pastebin, please?
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13:47.04balrog-kunSup3rkiddo: did it work?
13:47.31Sup3rkiddobalrog-kun: make updating
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13:48.25balrog-kunok :)
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13:53.29flexdHi.
13:53.45flexdDo any of you got any experience with IDA pro? (the disassembler/debugger)
13:53.50flexderr
13:54.02flexdwell yeah, same question, just posted in wrong chan :/
13:54.21balrog-kunit's closed source and afaik you even have to pay to use it
13:55.17flexdbalrog-kun: paying... is.. uhm... a choice :p
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13:56.26balrog-kunobjdump is open-source and has a nicer output :)
13:56.32balrog-kuna bit harder to learn
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13:57.25flexdI'm on windows
13:57.25flexdand it's IDA related anyway (my question) :/
13:57.47balrog-kunoh, another good thing about objdump is you don't need WINE to run it :)
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13:58.26flexdIDA runs on linux too
13:58.28flexdnatively
13:58.29flexdafaik
13:59.15balrog-kunhmm, then maybe not in the free trial version
13:59.23flexdi have the linux binaries here anyway
13:59.25flexdno source :/
13:59.28balrog-kunit's still closed-source though
13:59.30balrog-kunyeah
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14:21.24abraxa_flexd: What is your IDA question anyway?
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14:27.15flexdHow do i get it to display functions?
14:27.48flexdfunction names i mean, now it's all sub_XXXXXX, it has something to do with PDB symbols, which it's not loading :/
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14:29.07Sup3rkiddoanyone able to update the tree lately?, svn.berlios.de refuses any connection
14:29.56dinamichSup3rkiddo: I have the same problem!
14:30.18Sup3rkiddodinamich: oh, drat...am able to ping successfully
14:30.49dinamichSup3rkiddo: the http doesn't work either....
14:31.48Sup3rkiddohmm
14:31.53Sup3rkiddolets wait
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14:36.59abraxa_flexd: Oh, I can't answer that question, I'm afraid... I've only worked on programs without debugging symbols =x
14:39.16flexdabraxa_: np, i think i've found a solution :)
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14:42.51dinamichSup3rkiddo: I found solution to berlios.de svn problem :)...
14:43.38Sup3rkiddodinamich: lemme guess, change the makefile to some other server? or..
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14:46.20Sup3rkiddocool
14:46.23Sup3rkiddolemme try
14:46.23dinamich<PROTECTED>
14:46.50Sup3rkiddodinamich: yup, thanks
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14:59.05ahvenwhy does matchbox-panel crash so often?
14:59.26ahventypically pretty in the start
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15:14.58xcasexrwhitby: ping
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15:17.59xcasexanyone else experiencing problems with mokomakefile and the berlios.de svn server?
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15:19.18xcasexSup3rkiddo: hve any solutions in mind?
15:20.52Sup3rkiddodinamich: ^^
15:23.13Sup3rkiddoxcasex: i guess you have some lines in Makefile, 43 and 96...but i am at a loss at what to do..thats what dinamich suggested which works for him...
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15:31.40rwhitbyxcasex: whassup (but be aware it's 2am here, and I'm off to bed very soon)
15:33.43rwhitbyfor those having problems with berlios - be aware there are separate update-openmoko, update-bitbake and update-openembedded subtargets - you can still call them (except the bitbake one) if berlios is down
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15:35.34xcasexSup3rkiddo: aha.
15:36.04xcasexrwhitby: the bitbake one is solveable by echanging svn:// with http://
15:39.57CIA-23openmoko: 03rwhitby * r170 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Changed berlios access protocol from svn:// to http://, and added an openmoko-toolchain target.
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16:09.05xcasexrwhitby: still awake or zoned out ?
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16:09.33xcasexrwhitby: the q. this time around is if youhave enabled qtopia building in that mokomakefile of yours :D
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16:18.19CVirusWhat's with the silence on the mailing lists today ?
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16:21.32MotivAnyone know why svn.berlios.de is refusing connections?
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16:24.37ahvenMotiv: use http
16:24.42ahveninstead of svn
16:24.48ahven<CIA-23> openmoko: rwhitby * r170 mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Changed berlios access protocol from svn:// to http://, and added an openmoko-toolchain target.
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16:52.25torporsvn: Can't connect to host 'svn.berlios.de': Connection refused
16:52.29torporwhats up wit this?
16:53.04borg_torpor: update your makefile
16:53.10borg_it changed from svn:// to http://
16:53.43torporborg_: i did make update-makfeile
16:53.48torpor-e
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16:53.56borg_16:39 < CIA-23> openmoko: rwhitby * r170 mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Changed berlios access protocol from svn:// to http://, and added an
16:54.09borg_ups
16:54.28torporwell its borked then
16:54.32MotivThe Makefile has it as http://svn.berlios.de.....
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16:54.53torporshould it be svn?
16:55.05borg_no
16:55.08borg_imo thats right
16:56.03borg_olaf@pc:/tmp$ ping svn.berlios.de
16:56.03borg_PING svn.berlios.de (195.37.77.137) 56(84) bytes of data.
16:56.03borg_64 bytes from sheep.berlios.de (195.37.77.137): icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=31.0 ms
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16:56.11torporsvn: Can't connect to host 'svn.berlios.de': Connection refused
16:56.13torporsvn: Can't connect to host 'svn.berlios.de': Connection refused
16:56.23torporjust means that the http server is not set up to do svn.
16:56.26torporor is not willing to
16:56.34borg_don't know
16:56.44borg_i thougt the change from svn to http fixed it
16:56.47xcasexhttp:// works when accessing it via svn. svn:// does not work
16:57.00Motivhttp:// does not work for me
16:57.11torporsvn does?
16:57.18Motivlemme try
16:58.04Motivno, same error
16:58.05xcasexthis wfm: ( svn co -r ${BITBAKE_SVN_REV} http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/bitbake/tags/bitbake-1.8.8 bitbake )
16:58.14xcasexand thats from line 96 in the makefile
16:58.28torporso i guess berlios is borked then
16:59.19MotivThat's what is says xcasex but it still kicks that error
17:00.23xcasexeh. then berlios need some serious replumbing if random solutions are working for random people
17:00.50Motivonly in IT can the same actions produce different results  :)
17:01.19CVirusAny progress on the Wifi driver side ?
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17:20.33MookiE_hello, i have a problem. I have connect my neo to my pc and configure all to go to the internet with my neo (i test it with ping 141.1.1.1). In resolv.conf I write "nameserver 192.168.0.1" thats my router (the same entry is on my pc in resolv.conf). But if i want to ping "www.google.de" or something other always (after ~10 seconds) "Host name lookup failure"
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17:24.33Motivtorpor?
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17:30.58MotivTo fix the berlios.de connection refusal issue, BB_SVN_PATH needs to have a / added to the end so it looks like ->  BB_SVN_PATH := tags/bitbake-1.8.8/
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17:32.52ahvenMookiE_: I use a regular DNS from my PC in Neo-s resolv.conf
17:33.04ahventhough I do have bind running in my machine :)
17:33.38MookiE_how can I make that?
17:34.02ahvencat /etc/resolv.conf on your machine :)
17:34.19ahvenand put that instead of 192.168.0.1
17:34.42MookiE_i have the same resolv.con on my pc and on my neo
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17:35.23PBeckhi
17:35.42ahvenMookiE_: can you ping that from your Neo?
17:36.46MookiE_ahven: no
17:37.04ahvenok, so you have a problem there
17:37.09MookiE_ahven: but now I'm confused...
17:37.31MookiE_ahven: why I can ping through the router and not ping the router?
17:38.01balrog-kunmaybe you have some strange iptables rules?
17:38.19MookiE_on the router or on the neo?
17:38.33balrog-kunon the pc
17:38.40balrog-kun:)
17:38.44MookiE_oh :)
17:38.53ahvenis forwarding enabled?
17:39.00MookiE_yes
17:39.15balrog-kunforwarding is enabled because MookiE_ could ping outside addresses
17:39.45ahven<ahven> MookiE_: can you ping that from your Neo? << referred to the outside dns and he said no
17:40.05balrog-kunthat was the inside dns :P
17:40.10balrog-kunas he's not using any outside dns
17:40.13MookiE_the router is 192.168.0.1, thats inside
17:40.19ahvenok
17:40.49MookiE_sorry if i say that false or so... my english isn't very good
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17:41.18MookiE_balrog-kun: thats my iptables:
17:41.18MookiE_kim@foobar:~$ sudo iptables -L
17:41.18MookiE_Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
17:41.18MookiE_target     prot opt source               destination        
17:41.18MookiE_Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT)
17:41.18MookiE_target     prot opt source               destination        
17:41.20MookiE_Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT)
17:41.22MookiE_target     prot opt source               destination  
17:41.44MookiE_there is nothing inside
17:41.49balrog-kunthat's not a lot of rules :p
17:42.08balrog-kunbut i don't know anything about iptables
17:42.21ahvenMookiE_: is your usb0 on your computer with an IP of 192.168.0.200 ?
17:42.36MookiE_ahven: yes
17:42.41MookiE_ahven: no
17:42.50MookiE_ahven: sry ... no my pc has 0.20
17:43.03ahvenaha, the default gateway is off
17:43.13balrog-kunoh, maybe you need to change the ip, that's likely two networks with the same ip
17:43.17MookiE_ahven: sry... now I say shit
17:43.52balrog-kunif all addresses in your LAN start with 192.168.0 then you need to make the usb network use some other addresses eg. 192.168.5
17:44.07MookiE_ahven: forgot my answers... the usb0 ip on pc is .0.200 and there is no pc with 200 or 202 because my dhcp range is 50-100
17:44.50balrog-kunbut still, they must not match the mask of the other network, change to 192.168.1. on the usb0 neowork
17:45.05balrog-kun192.168.1.200 for pc and 192.168.1.202 for Neo
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19:08.56ahvenhmm, 7.dec rootfs and dialer still doesn't understand, when the other side has disconnected :(
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19:24.24arnathhi
19:24.53arnathi live in belgium, if i buy the cellphone from the webshop, i'm guessing i have to pay a large transport fee?
19:25.16arnathare there any europe-based stores?
19:25.23cjb_iewill be for gta02 apparently
19:25.32cjb_ietransport and customs for gta01
19:25.53arnathah k
19:27.28loufoqueoh
19:27.33arnathmarch for gta02 sucks :< i've been waiting so damn long already :P
19:27.34loufoqueso "December" became "March"
19:27.42arnathi would buy the dev version but i need the wifi
19:27.50loufoquelet's see how much time it takes for "March" to become "December" again
19:29.25arnathhow does openmoko handle locking the screen etc?
19:29.41arnath(so you don't accidently push buttons when you put it in your pocket or to your ear) ?
19:30.39ahvenyep, works well enough, though the locking isn't "always on top"
19:31.06arnathmeaning?
19:31.06ahvenfor example the incoming call screen is top of the locker
19:31.32El_Salvador<arnath> march for gta02 sucks :< i've been waiting so damn long already :P
19:31.34El_Salvadorrumors
19:32.08borg_20:30 < ahven> yep, works well enough, though the locking isn't "always on top"
19:32.08arnathEl_Salvador: true, but it IS already december, so if there is no set date, it's more likely to be march then december
19:32.12borg_ahven: that is a feature
19:32.13borg_:)
19:32.30arnathborg_: what does it mean? (the not always on top part)
19:32.57borg_if you get a call, you dont want to unlock your phone first, before accepting/rejecting the call
19:33.03borg_at least i don't want to
19:33.09El_Salvadori know, arnath
19:33.17borg_(and thats the behavior of all other phones i know ;) )
19:33.49ahventrue :)
19:33.52arnathborg_: indeed, i have a phone that folds in 2 (if you know what i mean) and it's (imho) the best possible design for a phone :P
19:34.05El_Salvadorhttp://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=957
19:34.05arnathno locking needed, accept with open, etc... :)
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19:34.29El_Salvadoranother revision
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19:35.08borg_ahven: if you accept the call, the locker should be in foreground again and you can put it to your ear without triggering anything
19:35.42borg_thats imo how it behaves at the momment
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19:36.01ahvenborg_: nope
19:36.25ahventhe locker is still in the background
19:36.29ahvenjust tried
19:36.59ahvenand the screen should be turned on as well imho?
19:37.54borg_mh
19:38.11borg_yes
19:40.33arnathdoes it detect when the cellphone is tilted? (and tilt the screen to compensate) ?
19:40.59ahvenarnath: GTA02 will include 2 3D accelemometers
19:41.06ahven01 doesn't have them
19:41.28arnathah
19:43.05CVirusAny progress on the Wifi driver side ?
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19:58.55opois it possible to rum xmms on a neo?
19:59.03oporun
19:59.04opo^^
19:59.14ajbruni'd guess so
19:59.35opok
20:00.20arnaththe gta02 will have 256 meg of built-in flash correct?
20:00.21Fatalone of the xmms2 developers made a xmms2 client for the neo
20:00.31opoah ok
20:00.53opothen i don't have to do this work ;D
20:00.57Fatalbut that's just to controll a remote xmms2 (unless you compile xmms2 for the neo and run it there)
20:01.15opook
20:01.47Fatalxmms1 probably won't make any sense to try and get running on the neo due to it's gtk+1 / glib dependency
20:02.00Fatals/it's/its/
20:08.01cdbot2* * OM Bug 1107 has been created by milo_casagrande(AT)yahoo.it
20:08.02cdbot2* * Italian translation missing
20:08.03cdbot2* * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1107
20:11.55CVirusAny progress on the Wifi driver side ?
20:12.40abraxa_CVirus: What kind of progress are you expecting? WiFi works and the microdelay is now gone as well, so throughput should be okay also :)
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20:13.11CVirusabraxa_: microdelay ?
20:13.49abraxa_The issue is fixed so no real point elaborating on it I don't think
20:14.01CVirusI see
20:14.15CVirusabraxa_: so when do we get to see the GTA02v5 ?
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20:14.46abraxa_The short version is that for each transfer there was a 30usec delay required to get dependable results - data throughput suffered as a consequence
20:15.12abraxa_I'd be happy if I'd know that ;)
20:16.02CVirusI read somewhere  on the wiki that the GTA02v5 should arrive as soon the wifi driver is ready
20:16.52zashwoot
20:17.43abraxa_CVirus: Well... that is assuming that the WiFi works as intended
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20:18.03abraxa_The driver is required for testing, yes, but if errors show up it'll require a respin of the hardware
20:18.30MHazemI understand
20:19.01arnathah, why does time pass so slow if you are counting the seconds :(
20:19.25abraxa_arnath: That's because you are counting the seconds ;)
20:19.36arnath:D
20:20.01arnathi got a question -> it's running linux right? so i'm guessing you can just mount a folder over wifi, correct?
20:20.32abraxa_NFS? sshfs? samba? Sure
20:21.01cdbot2* * OM Bug 1108 has been created by milo_casagrande(AT)yahoo.it
20:21.02cdbot2* * Italian translation of openmoko-browser is missing
20:21.03cdbot2* * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1108
20:21.20zashsomething beween nfs and rsync
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20:22.11arnathone thing that bugs me a little bit is the worry that the 256 internal flash drive will be full very fast
20:22.30ahvenyou can expand the capasity with minisd :)
20:22.31abraxa_256mb?
20:22.41abraxa_There's 265mb ram, not flash
20:22.45arnathahven: yes, but if you are installing a lot of programs on it, even if it's small,...
20:22.48arnathabraxa_: o, then i read wrong
20:22.52arnathabraxa_: how much flash?
20:23.06mjrumm, there's 128 MB ram, 256 MB flash (GTA02)
20:23.13abraxa_Oh
20:23.17abraxa_Okay, yeah
20:23.21abraxa_*I* read wrong :)
20:23.42arnathwon't that fill up awefully fast if you are installing a bunch of programs?
20:23.47mjrit helps a bit that the flash is compressed, and is certainly an improvement over gta01's 64 M
20:24.08cjb_ienobody will need more than 640k ;)
20:24.10mjranyway, as ahven incorrectly said, there are microSD
20:24.32ahvenmy mistake :)
20:25.21arnathmjr: yes true, but the microsd are not really an option for installing additional programs right?
20:25.28arnaththey are however very nifty for files of course :P
20:26.13ajbrun256 isn't much for programs, unless i've understood it wrong
20:26.15ajbrunor is it?
20:26.34arnathcjb_ie: hehehe :)
20:26.45zashajbrun: there is coda fs and andrew fs, but i havent succeded in setting up any of those
20:26.49abraxa_ajbrun: 256mb is quite plenty in my opinion as the big data will reside on microSD anyways
20:26.51mjrajbrun, it's more than you'd think, and why are microsd not an option?
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20:27.34ajbruni don't know - i thought the MSD was for files, and the flash for programs, and the ram for the OS?
20:27.36mjrit's suboptimal to install to microsd mostly if you're going to be card-swapping, but that isn't very pleasant to do anyways...
20:27.39ajbrunnoooo
20:27.42ajbrunnot ram for os
20:27.43ajbrunlol
20:27.55ajbrunthat would be a bit silly...
20:28.09mjrstorage is storage is storage
20:28.20ajbrunfair enough :)
20:28.37mjripkg supports installing programs to alternate locations (and symlinking them to the root fs for easy access)
20:28.47ahvenipkg-link
20:28.55ahvenhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Package_management
20:28.56ahventhere
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20:35.29borg_http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/12/06/seagate-snubs-linux
20:35.37borg_As our reader points out this is a, "fairly shit idea perfectly implemented, "
20:35.39borg_lol :)
20:37.04opossumhehe
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20:50.55hhf423_should a build from dec 7 do SMS already?
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20:53.27ajbrunhhf423 - i've never used a neo, but from what i've heard, its yes
20:54.14hhf423so lets see
20:57.32XXLTany information how long the batterie will last?
20:57.43ajbrunnot very long atm
20:57.48hhf423XXLT: with or without power management?
20:58.05ahvenroot@fic-gta01:/usr/bin$ ./scummvm
20:58.05ahven-sh: ./scummvm: not found
20:58.05ahvenroot@fic-gta01:/usr/bin$ ls -la scummvm
20:58.06ahven-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root      4986216 Aug 15 13:34 scummvm
20:58.08ahvenstrange? :)
20:58.11hhf423at the moment 4-5 hours
20:58.29XXLT21:58:11 < fn'hhf423> at the moment 4-5 hours
20:58.33ajbrunany predictions on how long it might run in the future?
20:58.40XXLTi guess you mean "days"
20:58.49ajbrunhe doesn't
20:58.56ajbrunhe meant what he said
20:59.01hhf423at the moment there is no real poer management
20:59.31XXLTpfff
20:59.45hhf423once there is power management, I expect it to run for a week on standby, depending on how you run BT, GPS and so on
20:59.57edistarhhf423: serious? that long?
21:00.25arnathis there a mailing list with updates?
21:00.29hhf423edistar: why not? standby with no backlight and nothing to do?
21:00.35edistarhhf423: ok, maybe
21:00.45edistarhhf423: but I think the screen when lit will use a lot of power
21:01.14XXLTi have to carry around a car battery on my back
21:02.00hhf423edistar: sure, but I have had other phones with like specs and they can do two days with "normal" use no problem
21:02.35opofor example the iphone
21:02.37opo:)
21:02.43edistarhhf423: ok :)
21:03.01hhf423oooh!
21:03.21hhf423wow, there is now GSM status messages in the top left corner
21:03.28hhf423bloody cool
21:04.35XXLTwell, i realy wanted to purchase that phone
21:04.48XXLTbut regarding the batterie life and the topic :/
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21:05.45edistarXXLT: in about half a year a lot of stuff will work probably..
21:06.10XXLTthat would be cool
21:06.19ajbrunall depends WHEN you want to buy this phone
21:06.31XXLTasap :)
21:06.34hhf423you want to but GTA01 or GTA02?
21:06.46XXLTGTA02, for sure
21:06.51arnathi want gta02 as well :|
21:06.53edistarXXLT: me too, I think loads of people are waiting for the gta02
21:07.00arnathi need the wifi
21:07.05XXLTme, too
21:07.11edistarme too ;)
21:07.18edistarwell... it's very handy
21:07.21ajbruni don't know if anyone knows that the march date in the topic is all that accurate XXLT, so it could be feb perhaps
21:07.46arnathajbrun: i rather not get my hopes up :<
21:07.53XXLTit was supposed to be october actually
21:07.58ajbrunand then dec
21:08.10arnathi know..
21:08.14ajbrunwhich is why i'm hoping it's earlier
21:08.14edistarstay positive.. it could be feb
21:08.25ajbrunsince it doesn't seem to be an official release guess
21:08.28ajbrunonly speculative
21:08.47XXLTand what about this "top-secret-phone"?
21:08.53XXLTi read something
21:08.59edistarXXLT: that was dash
21:09.00ajbrun?
21:09.05edistarXXLT: dash.net I think
21:09.10ajbrunwhat's this?
21:09.12abraxa_ahven: Are you sure the scummvm you installed is ARM OABI? sh also reports files as "not found" when it simply can't execute the binary format
21:09.30abraxa_EABI*
21:10.06XXLTdash, no.
21:10.32edistarXXLT: what do you mean then?
21:10.42edistarXXLT: there is project X, but thats software I think
21:11.06XXLTi can't remember the name of that device
21:11.32XXLTbut it was another phone developed by fic
21:11.42edistarXXLT: the only thing I know was that there was some codename for a device
21:11.52edistarXXLT: that turned out to be the dash in the end..
21:12.03mmontourhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/HXD8
21:12.03edistarbuilt by FIC
21:12.13XXLTHIXD8, that it is!
21:12.13opo<XXLT> but it was another phone developed by fic <-- do you have a link or something else?
21:12.19edistarthat is the dash..
21:12.21opoah k
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21:16.29ahvenabraxa_: you were right, had to execute openmoko-scummvm :)
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21:18.14_Krieger_people say OM has battery that can hold it for less than 24 hours. but what is exact max uptime?
21:18.30ahvenhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Scummvm
21:18.38edistar_Krieger_: someone once said 24 hours..
21:18.56_Krieger_is it going to be enhanced?
21:19.02edistar_Krieger_: definitely
21:19.07ahvenopenmoko-scummvm is just a little wrapper for the AUX button, but still, it doesn't sai anything special about running it..
21:19.10edistar_Krieger_: at the moment there is no power management
21:19.38edistar_Krieger_: so once that is implemented battery life will improve at least 2-3x
21:19.39ahven/s/say/sai
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21:21.19hhf423when I want to send an SMS, I get "WARNING **: Error sending message: Unable to retrieve subscriber number"
21:21.39arnathhhf423: it's a feature :|
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21:23.48tuxihi
21:24.03opohi
21:25.22tuxianyone with a neo is planning to visit the ccc?
21:26.06hhf423when I want to send an SMS, I get "WARNING **: Error sending message: Unable to retrieve subscriber number" anyone know if I need to configure something somewhere?
21:26.07edistaranyone with a neo planning to go to FOSDEM?
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21:26.24hhf423edistar: why? do publicly burn it?
21:26.45edistarhhf423: no, but I'd like to see it in real:)
21:26.59hhf423edistar: where is FOSDEM and when?
21:27.12edistarhhf423: february in brussels
21:27.21tuxisame for me
21:27.56hhf423tuxi: there will be plenty of people on the CCCongress with a Neo
21:28.20tuxiyeha, there are thoose 5 minute talks
21:28.29tuxiwould be a great thing to present the neo there
21:28.32hhf423I'll be there and I might bring my Neo, but I assume that Harald and others will also be there. Some of the guys live in Berlin. roh, too
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21:29.27CIA-23openmoko: 03ortalo * r3617 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-calculator2/src/calc-main.c: Simple modif. for svn commit test.
21:29.29tuxihttp://events.ccc.de/congress/2007/Lightning_Talks
21:30.19tuxibtw. hows the german openmoko chan?
21:30.26tuxii mean how is it called
21:31.01cdbot2* * OM Bug 1109 has been created by milo_casagrande(AT)yahoo.it
21:31.02cdbot2* * Translations for openmoko-today are not possible
21:31.03cdbot2* * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1109
21:31.09edistartuxi: neo1973-germany
21:31.13tuxiah thx
21:31.14edistartuxi: cu there ;)
21:33.27zashhm, is there a swedish channel too?
21:34.44CIA-23openmoko: 03ortalo * r3618 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-calculator2/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Update to separate LINGUAS file like other applications.
21:35.28ahvenabraxa_: so why does scummvm run in the scaredycat builds? any idea on that?
21:35.37ahventhe kernel is the same
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21:37.01cdbot2* * OM Bug 1110 has been created by hndispatch-hhf423(AT)yahoo.de
21:37.01cdbot2* * Sending SMS gives unable to retrieve subscriber number error
21:37.03cdbot2* * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1110
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21:38.45abraxa_ahven: How did you build it?
21:38.55ahvenI didn't
21:39.00cdbot2* * OM Bug 1111 has been created by hndispatch-hhf423(AT)yahoo.de
21:39.01cdbot2* * Incoming SMS is not displayed or notified
21:39.02cdbot2* * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1111
21:39.07ahvenhttp://buildhost.automated.it/scummvm/
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21:42.04abraxa_ahven: Did you use the ipkg?
21:42.17ahvenyes
21:42.25ahvenipkg install filename
21:44.00abraxa_No idea then
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22:02.23CIA-23openmoko: 03ortalo * r3619 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-calculator2/ (Makefile.am autogen.sh configure.ac):
22:02.23CIA-23openmoko: Reverting previous change due to strange things with intltoolize
22:02.23CIA-23openmoko: generated .in files when packaging (distcheck and co.)
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