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| 00:00.10 | Ghiottone | weird |
| 00:00.16 | DukeOfURL | very |
| 00:00.33 | Ghiottone | try installing a package at once |
| 00:00.39 | DukeOfURL | the mac is just passing back and forth |
| 00:00.46 | ahven | just out of curiosity, what does "nand erase" do, without any specific parameters? is the phone restorable after that before restarting it? |
| 00:01.08 | Ghiottone | try ipkg install SettingsGUI -noaction |
| 00:01.14 | Ghiottone | mmm |
| 00:01.21 | Ghiottone | try ipkg install -noaction SettingsGUI |
| 00:01.31 | DukeOfURL | Ghiottone: I already successfully performed ipkg update and ipkg upgrade |
| 00:01.38 | CoreDump | ahven: with JTAG, sure. I'm not sure whether u-boot would survive that |
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| 00:01.55 | abraxa_ | ahven: "nand erase" wipes your entire flash so it's a bad thing to execute |
| 00:02.07 | ahven | I can imagine :) |
| 00:02.21 | metzenas | ahven, i did wonder earlier if you were finnish or if it just happened to mean something in finnish, but again reality was even more interresting :) |
| 00:02.31 | Ghiottone | DukeOfURL, installing a package at once did help? |
| 00:02.33 | abraxa_ | ahven: Normally you need a debug board to recover from that, however as you were inside u-boot at the time it should be no worse than what your oops already caused |
| 00:02.38 | josch | hey all! check out my self made openmoko oss candles! :-D http://rabenfrost.net/josch/100_5296.JPG <= yeah you hear right! openmoko candles but they are nowhere to buy ^^ |
| 00:03.18 | ahven | abraxa_: aha :) |
| 00:03.32 | ahven | metzenas: well, i'm .ee, not .fi :) |
| 00:03.38 | abraxa_ | ahven: Did your rootfs flashing finish? |
| 00:03.42 | ahven | almost |
| 00:04.05 | zeal_ | join #c |
| 00:04.27 | zeal_ | typo |
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| 00:05.35 | pavelm | Speed: You said calls actually work for you. Can you put the phone into suspend2ram and then receive call? |
| 00:05.59 | SpeedEvil | pavelm: I could - I have no reason to believe it'll wake up thogh. |
| 00:06.09 | SpeedEvil | I've done that with older software |
| 00:06.34 | SpeedEvil | the modem returns engaged to the caller |
| 00:06.45 | SpeedEvil | do you think it might have changed? |
| 00:07.00 | metzenas | ahven, seems it just crossed my mind. wasn't curious enough to actually check :) |
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| 00:08.45 | abraxa_ | ahven: When the rootfs finished flashing I would like to partially follow http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NAND_bad_blocks#JTAG_.2F_OpenOCD_.2F_u-boot_RAM_based by doing "dynenv set", "saveenv" and writing u-boot again in case the partition for u-boot changed. After that I see no reason why u-boot shouldn't work and I don't see anyone else giving hints on that issue, so... :) |
| 00:09.12 | ahven | ok |
| 00:09.27 | abraxa_ | "dynenv set u-boot_env" even |
| 00:09.50 | ahven | state(2) = dfuIDLE, status(0) = No error condition is present |
| 00:09.50 | ahven | Done! |
| 00:09.50 | ahven | Resetting USB to switch back to runtime mode |
| 00:09.52 | metzenas | i should get some sleep, but it's like watching a thriller. will the neo brick or is the team of hackers at #openmoko going to safe the world :) |
| 00:09.55 | pavelm | Speed: It has to wake to be useful. |
| 00:10.28 | SpeedEvil | pavelm: I know |
| 00:10.29 | pavelm | Speed: I think I seen some blog entry saying that wakeups actually work... |
| 00:10.35 | ahven | ack...enter in the "cu" equals last command entered |
| 00:10.50 | SpeedEvil | pavelm: latest I understood was that ... meh |
| 00:11.25 | ahven | GTA01Bv4 # dynenv set |
| 00:11.25 | ahven | Usage: |
| 00:11.25 | ahven | dynenv - dynamically placed (NAND) environment |
| 00:11.46 | ahven | aah |
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| 00:11.58 | abraxa_ | ahven: dynpart should list 0x00004000(u-boot env), so you'll do "dynenv set u-boot_env" |
| 00:12.10 | SpeedEvil | oooh |
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| 00:12.27 | ahven | yup |
| 00:12.28 | SpeedEvil | it woke |
| 00:12.38 | SpeedEvil | however - this is from 'suspend to RAM' |
| 00:12.53 | SpeedEvil | from memory, when I last checked power usage, this was quite high |
| 00:13.08 | SpeedEvil | I simply did echo mem >/sys/powerr/state |
| 00:13.43 | ahven | boot rewritten |
| 00:13.47 | ahven | and time to reboot |
| 00:14.04 | metzenas | good luck! |
| 00:14.05 | SpeedEvil | however, it did not righ. |
| 00:14.24 | ahven | yay |
| 00:14.25 | SpeedEvil | Also, it did not ring after I hung up and rang it again |
| 00:14.26 | ahven | it boots :) |
| 00:14.30 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 00:14.30 | abraxa_ | Woot! |
| 00:14.33 | metzenas | cool :) |
| 00:14.43 | Ghiottone | gratz!!! |
| 00:15.10 | ahven | many thanks :) |
| 00:15.28 | abraxa_ | Glad to be of assistance |
| 00:16.19 | SpeedEvil | pavelm: it rings normally |
| 00:16.27 | metzenas | now i can sleep without thinking what happens to that poor neo :) |
| 00:16.34 | ahven | :) |
| 00:16.36 | abraxa_ | lol |
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| 00:17.20 | metzenas | good night everyone --> |
| 00:17.59 | abraxa_ | Good night, merriam |
| 00:18.04 | abraxa_ | metzenas |
| 00:18.08 | ahven | night |
| 00:18.43 | ahven | is there any better editor than vi? :) |
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| 00:19.08 | ahven | or installable? |
| 00:19.14 | abraxa_ | Via ipkg, sure |
| 00:19.21 | abraxa_ | nano, for example |
| 00:22.10 | ahven | that's interesting, no wireless yet, but the configuration exists in "interfaces" :) |
| 00:26.01 | ahven | weird |
| 00:26.13 | ahven | how do you "unlock"? |
| 00:26.21 | abraxa_ | Unlock? |
| 00:26.34 | ahven | hold down power and lock from there |
| 00:26.39 | abraxa_ | Ah |
| 00:26.53 | abraxa_ | Slide the bottom thing all the way to the top |
| 00:27.03 | abraxa_ | "thing" cause it depends on the theme what it is :) |
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| 00:32.34 | ahven | nice, they found suitable wifi chipset for GTA02? :) |
| 00:32.48 | abraxa_ | Yeah, quite a while ago actually |
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| 00:32.59 | abraxa_ | The driver for it makes significant progress, too |
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| 00:34.41 | ahven | but I still am puzzled by the "thing" |
| 00:34.53 | ahven | I'm using the latest rootfs with the default theme |
| 00:34.53 | abraxa_ | What does it look like to you? |
| 00:35.00 | SpeedEvil | party-: whee |
| 00:35.05 | SpeedEvil | sigh |
| 00:35.13 | SpeedEvil | Anyway. |
| 00:35.26 | SpeedEvil | as pavel seems to have gone, I'll have to tell the rest of you. |
| 00:35.45 | SpeedEvil | echo mem >/sys/power/state - takes the power usage down to about 50mA |
| 00:35.56 | SpeedEvil | and then - it wakes on reciept of a camll |
| 00:36.16 | SpeedEvil | call that is - not camel. |
| 00:36.37 | abraxa_ | 50mA doesn't sound too shabby to me :) |
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| 00:36.46 | SpeedEvil | however - gsmd seems confused - and it doesn't answer the call |
| 00:36.54 | SpeedEvil | no - that's what - basically a day standby |
| 00:37.00 | SpeedEvil | and that was without the amp off |
| 00:37.06 | SpeedEvil | so call it 30mA maybe |
| 00:37.08 | SpeedEvil | or 40h |
| 00:37.26 | abraxa_ | Nice :D |
| 00:37.31 | DukeOfURL | Ghiottone: it's very consistent--leopard crashes during libpython download. I guess leopards don't like pythons... |
| 00:37.32 | SpeedEvil | Sigh |
| 00:37.39 | SpeedEvil | cu has gone away in the latest image |
| 00:37.45 | SpeedEvil | is tehre anything similar? |
| 00:37.47 | ahven | abraxa_: big clock in middle :) |
| 00:37.57 | ahven | digital* |
| 00:38.20 | abraxa_ | ahven: Like http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/7ad0a013a3bffd525574f72fe811d696.png ? |
| 00:38.31 | ahven | yup |
| 00:38.53 | abraxa_ | That's the home screen, it's in unlocked state :) |
| 00:39.01 | abraxa_ | Try hitting the tabs on the bottom |
| 00:39.54 | ahven | I lock it and it stays dimmed |
| 00:40.00 | ahven | no background light or so |
| 00:40.17 | abraxa_ | What rootfs did you flash? |
| 00:40.33 | ahven | openmoko-image-fic-gta01.jffs2 |
| 00:40.39 | abraxa_ | From where? |
| 00:40.56 | ahven | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D |
| 00:41.10 | abraxa_ | Ah okay |
| 00:41.23 | abraxa_ | That doesn't have the lock feature I was talking about :) |
| 00:41.31 | abraxa_ | I recommend flashing the 2007.11 snapshop |
| 00:41.33 | abraxa_ | shot* |
| 00:41.39 | ahven | link? |
| 00:41.46 | UbuNero | hi. this is an english room? |
| 00:41.51 | abraxa_ | ahven: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/ |
| 00:41.56 | SpeedEvil | UbuNero: yes |
| 00:42.11 | ahven | abraxa_: I pressed power for a bit and the picture returned |
| 00:42.20 | UbuNero | gulp. you know an italian room about openmoko? |
| 00:42.23 | abraxa_ | ahven: Yeah, that's how it was before |
| 00:44.02 | ahven | though it doesn't want to return the original screen every time |
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| 00:44.22 | abraxa_ | ahven: If I were you I wouldn't bother with that :) |
| 00:44.22 | ahven | ok, time for sleep, will flash with the snapshot in the morning or evening |
| 00:44.25 | ahven | night |
| 00:44.27 | abraxa_ | Good night |
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| 00:47.57 | SpeedEvil | Would anyone take a guess at how much a 'on phone' dev environment might need? Assuming that you're just doing 'normal' stuff, so don't need full libc/gtx/X/... source |
| 00:48.26 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: torpor wrote a mail about that just today |
| 00:48.42 | SpeedEvil | he did? |
| 00:48.49 | SpeedEvil | damn |
| 00:48.54 | abraxa_ | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-December/001756.html |
| 00:48.57 | daMaestro | grr... anyone also having issues with ipkg and the latest official snapshot? |
| 00:49.07 | SpeedEvil | my mail machine is across the room and I just lay down. |
| 00:49.08 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 00:49.10 | SpeedEvil | thanks! |
| 00:49.13 | abraxa_ | No prob |
| 00:49.51 | SpeedEvil | Oh - killing and restarting gsmd did not fix the wakeup issue |
| 00:49.55 | SpeedEvil | post-wakeup issue |
| 00:50.03 | SpeedEvil | it seems not to talk to the modem |
| 00:50.03 | DukeOfURL | my $OMDIR is 5.2G |
| 00:50.29 | SpeedEvil | DukeOfURL: that's including GTK/X/... though? |
| 00:50.41 | DukeOfURL | yes, the whole cigar |
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| 01:05.18 | CIA-14 | 03abraxa * r3583 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/ (21 files in 2 dirs): |
| 01:05.18 | CIA-14 | Phase out guitools.c and move useful helper functions to utils.c |
| 01:05.18 | CIA-14 | Fix cover view widget order for proper cover image use |
| 01:05.18 | CIA-14 | Add mplayer video support (albeit still slightly buggy) |
| 01:05.18 | CIA-14 | Fix bug that displays random track positions/lengths before a track loads |
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| 01:32.11 | duffyd | hi, just loaded up the 2007.11 image and I can't seem to scroll the list of apps when I click on the '+' |
| 01:34.14 | abraxa_ | duffyd: Try scrolling the other way :) |
| 01:35.52 | duffyd | k |
| 01:36.09 | duffyd | you're right! |
| 01:36.12 | duffyd | abraxa_: thanks ;) |
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| 01:40.46 | duffyd | how do you change the background image on startup? |
| 01:42.14 | abraxa_ | openmoko-apperance |
| 01:42.20 | abraxa_ | (it's not in the default rootfs) |
| 01:42.29 | abraxa_ | Or use gconftool2 to edit the gconf key |
| 01:46.31 | abraxa_ | e.g. dbus-launch gconftool-2 -t string -s /desktop/poky/interface/wallpaper "/moo.png" |
| 01:50.38 | daMaestro | wget: server returned error 404: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found |
| 01:50.38 | daMaestro | Downloading http://downloads.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/fic-gta01/Packages.gz |
| 01:50.44 | daMaestro | anyone also getting these issues? |
| 01:51.11 | daMaestro | or.. maybe i should ask.. how do i fix ipkg? |
| 01:55.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1096 has been created by mickey(AT)vanille-media.de |
| 01:55.02 | cdbot2 | * * Closing a non-Gtk+ application w/ neod kills X |
| 01:55.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1096 |
| 02:02.11 | abraxa_ | daMaestro: Just use ScaredyCat's repo :) |
| 02:02.42 | abraxa_ | Can just grab http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/scaredycat.conf and put it into /etc/ipkg, followed by an ipkg update |
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| 02:26.55 | duffyd | abraxa_: thanks again :) |
| 02:28.10 | duffyd | abraxa_: I'm still not getting the contacts off of my SIM within contacts |
| 02:28.15 | duffyd | abraxa_: is there a trick for this? |
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| 02:34.55 | magellan | Does anyone know of an install guide for dfu-usb? I am having problems with the autogen.sh script |
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| 03:02.31 | free1 | I understand no discussion of delivery dates, but my question is that I remember that the phone for consumers was to be made available a year ago september |
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| 03:02.53 | free1 | what has been the main cause of the delays? |
| 03:06.10 | free1 | $300, ?!?! |
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| 04:27.23 | Writchie | any kernel hackers about? |
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| 05:43.03 | daMaestro | ScaredyCat, ping |
| 05:45.17 | LaF0rge | balrog-kun: which patches are you talking about? |
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| 05:46.17 | LaF0rge | the only things I can find on the list are gta02 audio and the bug 788 fix |
| 05:46.32 | LaF0rge | everything that is not submitted to openmoko-kernel is _very_ hard for me to find |
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| 05:49.09 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3584 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (gta02-sound.patch series): add GTA02v2 sound driver from Graeme Gregory |
| 06:02.32 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3585 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/smedia-glamo.patch: |
| 06:02.32 | CIA-14 | glamo: report vram size to userspace. Set fb_fix_screeninfo.smem_len to |
| 06:02.32 | CIA-14 | RESSIZE(fb_res). This is not the real vram size, as it is a hardcoded value in |
| 06:02.32 | CIA-14 | glamo-core.c for now. (Chia-I Wu) |
| 06:04.04 | CM | josch: Nice decorations :D (http://rabenfrost.net/josch/100_5296.JPG) |
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| 06:10.24 | SpeedEvil | off-topic - anyone have a powertop kernel clue? |
| 06:10.39 | SpeedEvil | I've just tried powertop on my laptop. |
| 06:10.56 | SpeedEvil | But, with powertop on, the fan does not go off and it gets hot. |
| 06:11.09 | SpeedEvil | s/go off/stays on/ so I suspect the results |
| 06:11.15 | SpeedEvil | (after the required kernel changes) |
| 06:13.35 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3586 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-core.patch: GTA02: Use S3C2442 as default CPU, offer S3C2440 support for backwards compat to early hardware |
| 06:13.57 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3587 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-sound.patch: make gta02-sound.patch compile with 2.6.24.x |
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| 06:32.15 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3588 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (3 files): add two more ASOC core fixes |
| 06:32.44 | ewon | glad to see laforge is still at it |
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| 06:44.46 | LaF0rge | ewon: as indicated in my blog, i'm just bringing it into shape for mainline submission |
| 06:45.53 | ewon | LaF0rge: I mean I'm glad you're still involved... |
| 06:47.09 | ewon | even if this is your last commit, so to speak, we appreciate the effort you've put in. |
| 06:47.41 | LaF0rge | yeah, i just don't want to raise false hope ;) |
| 06:48.53 | LaF0rge | heh that would not last long given my sweet tooth |
| 06:49.34 | SpeedEvil | I find oddly that - for me - expensive chocolate can be cheaper for me than cheap chocolate. |
| 06:49.59 | SpeedEvil | As I don't eat the whole bar at once, and concentrate on the exploding flavour, rather than simply gobbling it down. |
| 06:52.44 | cjb_ie | oh, i can relate to that. there's an absolutely astounding chocolate cake available here in cork, a single crumb of which can give pleasure for minutes at a time. |
| 06:53.10 | cjb_ie | i know a couple of girls who call it "cake with a capital O" |
| 06:53.14 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3589 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (gta02-core.patch smedia-glamo.patch): |
| 06:53.14 | CIA-14 | GLAMO: LCMs can run under VGA and QVGA mode. The timing characteristics should be |
| 06:53.14 | CIA-14 | provided to help driver initialization. (Chia-I Wu <olv@openmoko.com>) |
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| 06:56.10 | ahven | http://buildhost.openmoko.org is down? |
| 07:01.18 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3590 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/smedia-glamo.patch: |
| 07:01.18 | CIA-14 | GLAMO: Move modeline setting to a function of itself. Call this function on |
| 07:01.18 | CIA-14 | initialization and set_par. (Chia-I Wu <olv@openmoko.com>) |
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| 07:05.37 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3591 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/smedia-glamo.patch: GLAMO: Adjust DCLK ratio to match the desired pixclock. (Chia-I Wu <olv@openmoko.com>) |
| 07:06.42 | CM | If false hope is this productive I don't care that it's false.. ;) |
| 07:07.03 | SpeedEvil | what's the current state of the smedia driver? |
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| 07:15.43 | Dooms | hey can any of you guys watch this video i made? And yes im the girl |
| 07:15.45 | Dooms | http://youtube.com/watch?v=eXdkyAyOcGo |
| 07:16.57 | daMaestro | wow, Miro actually picked that up |
| 07:16.58 | daMaestro | sweet |
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| 07:18.05 | daMaestro | hmm it sure doesn't want to play it though |
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| 07:20.38 | Ghiottone | it's spam |
| 07:20.52 | Ghiottone | it has nothing to do with openmoko |
| 07:21.17 | daMaestro | yeah, i just wanted to see if Miro could answer my search for eXdkyAyOcGo |
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| 07:29.22 | ahven | strange |
| 07:29.47 | ahven | openmoko boots only if I first boot into bootloader |
| 07:29.58 | ahven | otherwise it won't go past the first logo |
| 07:30.16 | SpeedEvil | probably something screwqy in your environment |
| 07:31.03 | ahven | possibly |
| 07:31.25 | CM | ahven: I've had that problem too |
| 07:31.35 | CM | Or rather, still have it |
| 07:31.43 | CM | But I have to boot with factory reset :( |
| 07:32.34 | ahven | it was fine some hours ago |
| 07:32.44 | ahven | and no changes between that |
| 07:32.59 | CM | Oh, ok. That doesn't sound good |
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| 07:39.45 | blindcoder | moin |
| 07:41.12 | ljp | ahven: did you flash the bootloader? |
| 07:41.46 | ljp | that happens withu-boot since the Aug. snapshot |
| 07:42.19 | CM | Some race condition? |
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| 07:45.40 | ahven | ljp: yep |
| 07:45.55 | ahven | but the first few boots were fine though |
| 07:46.07 | ahven | or is it random? |
| 07:48.09 | CM | It's kind of strange that uboot has been somewhat broken for almost 4 months now.. |
| 07:50.49 | ahven | :) |
| 07:53.52 | LaF0rge | CM: I've never been able to reproduce the problem when using the u-boot decompressor |
| 07:54.06 | LaF0rge | it only happens for me if you use the kernel deocompressor |
| 07:54.14 | CM | LaF0rge: I can imagine that it's hard to find :( |
| 07:54.37 | LaF0rge | mickey says it;s not the case and actually different. but he never uses a serial console to actually debug whats going on |
| 07:54.48 | LaF0rge | neiter has anyone else ever submitted a detailed serial kernel bootlog |
| 07:54.53 | LaF0rge | at least to my knowledge |
| 07:55.00 | CM | Mine neither |
| 07:55.17 | CM | What is needed to make such a log? |
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| 07:55.31 | LaF0rge | so apparently the problem is not important enough for anyone to dig further |
| 07:55.37 | LaF0rge | cm: debug board and minicom ;) |
| 07:55.42 | CM | Hmm.. |
| 07:56.09 | CM | I just got my hands on a debug board, but didn't get it working at first |
| 07:56.55 | CM | I'll try to figure out how to use it properly next week :) |
| 07:59.34 | ljp | LaF0rge: probably because everyone assumes those at openmoko are seeing the same bugs we are and are actively doing something about them |
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| 08:17.58 | ahven | an awkward question, but how do you mark mines, when you have only 1 click, no rightclick? :) |
| 08:18.56 | flexd | hold it on it? |
| 08:19.10 | flexd | or something, im not sure what rightclick is in this context :p |
| 08:19.44 | SpeedEvil | minesweeper clone I assume |
| 08:20.00 | SpeedEvil | you left-click to clear a square |
| 08:20.17 | SpeedEvil | you right-click to mark your guesses as to where mines are |
| 08:20.43 | flexd | yeah, but if he's doing it on a neo... |
| 08:20.54 | flexd | What's a right click on a neo/in OM? |
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| 08:38.38 | torpor | CM: its not easy |
| 08:39.39 | SpeedEvil | Is there a SMS-reader app on the phone? |
| 08:40.12 | SpeedEvil | libgsmd-tool is crashing when I ask it to |
| 08:42.00 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, there was a python script that did that; check projects.openmoko.org? |
| 08:42.41 | SpeedEvil | oh well - I can do the manual thingy |
| 08:42.44 | CM | torpor: It shows up in lsusb, but I couldn't get openocd to find it and ran out if time |
| 08:43.40 | CM | And that uboot debug is not really something I think I can handle, but if I could at least log a failed boot someone who knows more might be able to figure it out :) |
| 08:44.48 | torpor | its really a pain in the ass, honestly |
| 08:45.01 | torpor | you have to jiggle cables to make it work. |
| 08:45.08 | CM | :-/ |
| 08:45.51 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3592 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta01-core.patch: |
| 08:45.51 | CIA-14 | * gta01: make sure upper/lower margin of LCM is set correct |
| 08:45.51 | CIA-14 | * gta01: make sure we start with a default resolution of 640x480 |
| 08:46.28 | torpor | i had really a hard time with it and came pretty close to giving up on openmoko when i couldn't debrick my phone with my expensive debug board that doesn't work .. |
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| 08:47.23 | XorA | yay LaF0rge is on a roll |
| 08:47.33 | CM | XorA: Sure is :) |
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| 08:50.33 | SpeedEvil | how do I use screen to attach to the modem? |
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| 08:59.53 | _diego_ | you should run screen on the device attached to the modem (or on remote) |
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| 09:02.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1097 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com |
| 09:02.02 | cdbot2 | * * SIM use cases |
| 09:02.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1097 |
| 09:03.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1098 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com |
| 09:03.02 | cdbot2 | * * NET use cases |
| 09:03.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1098 |
| 09:04.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1099 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com |
| 09:04.01 | cdbot2 | * * EVENT use cases |
| 09:04.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1099 |
| 09:05.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1100 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com |
| 09:05.02 | cdbot2 | * * libgsmd use cases |
| 09:05.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1100 |
| 09:07.48 | SpeedEvil | Okaaay. |
| 09:07.49 | SpeedEvil | AT+CMGL="ALL" |
| 09:07.49 | SpeedEvil | +CMS ERROR: 321 |
| 09:07.54 | SpeedEvil | any thoughts? |
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| 09:44.43 | xcasex | hmm. |
| 09:44.50 | xcasex | shouldnt the device boot ootb ? |
| 09:45.00 | xcasex | or do i need to prep it for first use? |
| 09:45.16 | rwhitby | not if the battery isn't charged, and it doesn't have a rootfs by default either. |
| 09:45.46 | xcasex | aha. |
| 09:45.57 | xcasex | where on the wiki do ilook for the info to set it up? |
| 09:46.42 | rwhitby | there should have been a card in the box with a URL |
| 09:46.56 | rwhitby | The "Some Assembly Required" card :-) |
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| 09:49.23 | xcasex | rwhitby: none :) |
| 09:49.47 | CM | Odd. I had something that looked like a beer coaster |
| 09:50.13 | CM | Is the wiki down btw? |
| 09:51.21 | SpeedEvil | sort-of |
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| 09:52.24 | SpeedEvil | I don't understand this. |
| 09:52.43 | SpeedEvil | My modem is seeming to pretend that it doesn't understand what SMSs might be. |
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| 09:56.05 | hrw | hi |
| 09:56.27 | hrw | someone know how to disable 'touchscreen clicks' on neo? |
| 09:56.56 | ScaredyCat | disable the sounds in the matchbox start |
| 09:57.00 | jeddy3 | hrw, remove the soundfiles :D |
| 09:57.06 | SpeedEvil | remove the speakers. |
| 09:57.23 | ScaredyCat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_sound |
| 09:57.25 | hrw | SpeedEvil: CMS ERROR: 321 Invalid memory index |
| 09:57.27 | ScaredyCat | use that |
| 09:57.38 | SpeedEvil | hrw: I know that. |
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| 09:57.56 | ScaredyCat | comment out the 'load-sample touchscreen' line |
| 09:57.57 | SpeedEvil | hrw: but I don't understand how to get round it to get my SMS |
| 09:58.29 | hrw | ScaredyCat: I wonder when there will be application for such stuff |
| 09:58.48 | ScaredyCat | dunno, but I comment them out automatically in my builds :) |
| 09:58.51 | hrw | or usable calendar |
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| 09:59.26 | hrw | cause it is sad to say but openmoko-dates are unusable now |
| 10:00.31 | hrw | ScaredyCat: I use it a lot on my cellphone |
| 10:00.48 | xcasex | hrw same here |
| 10:01.11 | xcasex | ScaredyCat: being a firmware cook yourself, which is atm the best firmware if you want to send/receive sms's and calls? |
| 10:01.38 | SpeedEvil | xcasex: the 'november' snapshot seems to work ok for me for calls |
| 10:01.39 | hrw | just tried to add one event in OM calendar - took me too much time and I lost hairs doing this |
| 10:01.46 | ScaredyCat | well, I can't say until I've tested the lastest one I;ve built :) |
| 10:02.09 | ScaredyCat | recent builds are fine fo calls... |
| 10:02.19 | ScaredyCat | but sms is another thing |
| 10:05.14 | CM | ScaredyCat: What are you building at the moment? |
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| 10:07.03 | guaqua | so a working one for openmoko would be in my interests |
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| 10:08.10 | hrw | guaqua: there is one working. but hard to use |
| 10:08.53 | guaqua | integration with desktop caledar / pim software would be so cool. i actually might have some ideas to contribute in the realm of sharing the calendar data |
| 10:09.07 | guaqua | hrw: okay |
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| 10:14.16 | ScaredyCat | CM: bleeding edge + autorev |
| 10:16.21 | SpeedEvil | If there are no SMSs - somehow it's got deleted - should AT+CMGL="ALL" |
| 10:16.25 | SpeedEvil | return error? |
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| 10:28.34 | NineX | buildhost.openmoko.org is down? |
| 10:31.48 | SpeedEvil | Odd. |
| 10:31.55 | SpeedEvil | I now get 'SIM Wrong'. |
| 10:32.07 | ScaredyCat | has psplash been fixed yet? |
| 10:34.03 | ScaredyCat | network |
| 10:34.28 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 10:34.57 | SpeedEvil | was that aimed at me? |
| 10:35.02 | SpeedEvil | (it's mine) |
| 10:35.30 | ScaredyCat | no |
| 10:36.03 | ScaredyCat | m neo just told me that it had registered to it and the type was 'home network' |
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| 10:39.43 | ScaredyCat | :o |
| 10:39.57 | ScaredyCat | lock screen has funky bg |
| 10:42.23 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3593 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta01-backlight.patch: sync commit 3212 from 2.6.22.x: remove dynamic pclk-dependent backlight pwm counter calculation, sicne it no longer works with new pwm api |
| 10:42.36 | CM | ScaredyCat: psplash was changed for me, but I got some conflict because I had modified my own versions :) |
| 10:43.11 | ScaredyCat | today ? |
| 10:43.30 | CM | Yes, a few minutes ago |
| 10:43.38 | ScaredyCat | ahh good |
| 10:44.06 | ScaredyCat | I did a fix and it looks ugly on the screen, so if it's updated I'll revert |
| 10:50.40 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3594 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-core.patch: |
| 10:50.40 | CIA-14 | sync with svn commit r3213 from 2.6.22.x patchset: |
| 10:50.40 | CIA-14 | * GTA02: work around a race condition between usb detection and pmu driver |
| 10:50.40 | CIA-14 | * GTA02: add (untested) wifi power-up code statically at boot time |
| 10:52.45 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3595 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-core.patch: |
| 10:52.45 | CIA-14 | merge commit 3214 from 2.6.22.5 patchset: |
| 10:52.46 | CIA-14 | fix GTA02 led definitions and resource names |
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| 10:58.36 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3596 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta01-jbt6k74.patch: merge commit 3233 from 2.6.22.x series: Make sure the display gets enabled again after coming out of the deep-standby state (Stefan Schmidt) |
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| 11:01.42 | pavelm | ...openmoko is already open. |
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| 11:05.07 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3597 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (s3c2410_fb-line_length.patch series): merge commit 3234 from 2.6.22.x patchset: fix dynamic mode/resolution switching with s3c2410_fb (line_length calculation) (Stefan Schmidt) |
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| 11:11.52 | ScaredyCat | curious CM.... |
| 11:12.06 | ScaredyCat | rolling back just give the sameissue as before |
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| 11:21.35 | XorA | ScaredyCat: fixing psplash now |
| 11:21.58 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3598 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta01-jbt6k74.patch: merge commit 3236 from 2.6.22.x patchset: Add register init and extend state machine to support QVGA on the LCM. (Stefan Schmidt) |
| 11:22.11 | CIA-14 | 03chris * r3599 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (ChangeLog src/sms-compose.c src/sms-main.c): |
| 11:22.11 | CIA-14 | * src/sms-compose.c: (send_clicked_cb): |
| 11:22.11 | CIA-14 | * src/sms-main.c: (main): |
| 11:22.11 | CIA-14 | Sync with phone-kit changes |
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| 11:24.42 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3600 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta01-jbt6k74.patch: |
| 11:24.42 | CIA-14 | merge commit 3237 from 2.6.22.x patchset: remove double register settings. Not |
| 11:24.42 | CIA-14 | listed in the data-sheet and it works fine without them. Looks like a |
| 11:24.43 | CIA-14 | copy-and-paste error. (Stefan Schmidt) |
| 11:27.05 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3601 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta01-jbt6k74.patch: merging commit 3238 from 2.6.22.x patchset: Trivial whitespace before tab cleanup. (Stefan Schmidt) |
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| 11:33.54 | tonyg | If I wanted to *measure* power consumption, I'd have to get a multimeter against the battery terminals while the machine was running, right? |
| 11:34.06 | tonyg | It's been about 15 years since I last used a multimeter ;-) |
| 11:34.10 | SpeedEvil | pretty much |
| 11:34.23 | SpeedEvil | tonyg: I don't suppose you've got any copper tape? |
| 11:34.28 | tonyg | ok, that's much less scary than the idea of having to get a dev board or anything |
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| 11:34.55 | tonyg | copper tape? no. you're imagining squishing some between the pins and the pads on the battery to make a wee extension for easy clippability? |
| 11:35.04 | SpeedEvil | basically |
| 11:35.08 | tonyg | good idea |
| 11:35.20 | SpeedEvil | you take a 4mm wide strip of paper 40mm long |
| 11:35.33 | SpeedEvil | 60*2mm of copper tape |
| 11:35.44 | guaqua | what kind of information does neo provide through acpi? |
| 11:35.48 | SpeedEvil | put the copper tape down the paper - wrapped round both sides |
| 11:36.18 | SpeedEvil | cut the tape at the end. Solder two wires to the end of the copper, and attach to a meter. |
| 11:36.27 | SpeedEvil | none through acpi |
| 11:36.27 | tonyg | cool |
| 11:36.39 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 11:36.44 | ScaredyCat | ta XorA |
| 11:37.34 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if with modern kernels you can read the battery current when off charge - you diddn't used to be able to. |
| 11:37.58 | SpeedEvil | anyway - the current reading is _horribly_ noisy. |
| 11:38.02 | hrw | guaqua: acpi is x86(-64) only |
| 11:38.02 | guaqua | mm..does it provide the charge percentage or something some way? |
| 11:38.07 | tonyg | I left my gta01 running overnight. at 6.5h, `apm` reported 55-65% remaining. At 8h, the battery was too flat to switch on. |
| 11:38.21 | SpeedEvil | tonyg: I've got a patch for that basically. |
| 11:38.24 | guaqua | hrw: thanks :) |
| 11:38.25 | tonyg | gsm on, backlight off |
| 11:38.30 | SpeedEvil | It assumes it's linear from 2800 to 4200 |
| 11:38.32 | SpeedEvil | it's not |
| 11:38.39 | tonyg | aha |
| 11:38.45 | tonyg | good :-) |
| 11:38.53 | SpeedEvil | it's approximately linear between 3600 and 4200 - 5% and 90% |
| 11:38.54 | tonyg | is that a patch to apm, or to the kernel? |
| 11:39.00 | SpeedEvil | it's a patch to the kernel |
| 11:39.05 | tonyg | okay |
| 11:39.09 | SpeedEvil | basically |
| 11:39.19 | CM | tonyg: It looks more like this: http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/battvolt2.png |
| 11:39.21 | SpeedEvil | at the moment, you can get a good idea by assuming that 50% = 0 |
| 11:39.31 | tonyg | :) |
| 11:39.41 | tonyg | CM, nice graph :) |
| 11:40.02 | tonyg | so SpeedEvil, is your patch headed for the svn repo? |
| 11:40.08 | CM | Not mine, josch made it :) |
| 11:40.46 | tonyg | Well, 50% => 0%... good to know. |
| 11:40.56 | SpeedEvil | tonyg: eventually yes - I'm having annoying problems related to having backed it up, and not having enough cash to get a hard drive to get a build environment up and running. |
| 11:40.58 | tonyg | So I got 6.5 hours out of the machine. Not bad, considering ;-) |
| 11:41.05 | LaF0rge | well, the shutdown voltage might actually be lowered further |
| 11:41.11 | SpeedEvil | It should be up this week |
| 11:41.15 | tonyg | great |
| 11:41.17 | LaF0rge | the current shutdown voltage is fairly high as a safeguard |
| 11:41.23 | SpeedEvil | LaF0rge: not really |
| 11:41.29 | SpeedEvil | LaF0rge: you get seconds at most |
| 11:41.40 | SpeedEvil | LaF0rge: the slope at that point is _really_ steep |
| 11:42.01 | tonyg | what's the X axis on the chart CM just posted? |
| 11:42.10 | LaF0rge | mh. i hd somebody inside FIC lecture me about li-ion discharge curves and between 3.3 and 2.8 there still is a lot of energy, IIRC |
| 11:42.11 | SpeedEvil | seconds probably |
| 11:42.14 | tonyg | the curve sure *looks* pretty steep at the end :) |
| 11:42.22 | LaF0rge | but if you have measurements with our battery, then that's better obviously |
| 11:42.29 | SpeedEvil | LaF0rge: it's about 5% typically |
| 11:42.33 | SpeedEvil | or 10% at max |
| 11:42.44 | SpeedEvil | but it's not a big number |
| 11:43.07 | LaF0rge | i thought 10% or a bit more is what they claimed, yes |
| 11:43.07 | gambler | hey LaF0rge: do you think they will get GTA02 out the door this year? |
| 11:43.27 | LaF0rge | gambler: I don't comment on this, particulraly now that I don't know what's going on |
| 11:43.33 | tonyg | The battery is roughly 4.4Wh, right? divide 6.5h giving 680 mW :-( |
| 11:43.57 | tonyg | what are the practical problems preventing software control of the CPU clock? |
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| 11:44.05 | tonyg | is there a kernel i/f to it already? |
| 11:44.28 | LaF0rge | tonyg: the PLL switching is fairly slow, i.e. a frequency change is quite expensive |
| 11:44.34 | gambler | LaF0rge, meh....I wish they would give some more information. |
| 11:44.37 | LaF0rge | thus you can't react too fast in 'ondemand' cases |
| 11:44.48 | LaF0rge | tonyg: s3c2410 doesn't have cpufreq support yet |
| 11:44.54 | LaF0rge | there's a bugzilla bug about this in bugzilla.openmko.org |
| 11:45.14 | tonyg | LaF0rge, ok. So... you can't do it yet, and if you could, it wouldn't be any good anyway? ;-) |
| 11:45.22 | tonyg | How slow is slow? |
| 11:45.26 | LaF0rge | I think it's worthwhile |
| 11:45.34 | LaF0rge | tonyg: read the s3c2410 docs, I don't remember |
| 11:45.42 | SpeedEvil | http://www.ibt-power.com/Battery_packs/Li_Polymer/Lithium_polymer_tech.html |
| 11:45.45 | tonyg | ok, I haven't looked at those yet. I'll take a look |
| 11:45.48 | SpeedEvil | ha some representative graphs |
| 11:45.51 | SpeedEvil | has |
| 11:46.02 | LaF0rge | it should be tried. the problem is that all other clocks are derived from the same pll, i.e. it is likely to be very difficult to handle this properly in all drivers |
| 11:46.25 | LaF0rge | audio and usb are a different pll though |
| 11:46.44 | tonyg | sounds like a fairly arcane piece of the system to be messing with |
| 11:47.07 | tonyg | so because many clocks share the same pll, it might happen that varying the cpu clock messes up say the gsm chip or the lcd driver? |
| 11:47.32 | tonyg | (incidentally, are the s3c2410 docs linked from the wiki?) |
| 11:47.37 | LaF0rge | gsm is independent |
| 11:47.51 | LaF0rge | yes, the pdf was linked in the wiki when i first created the respective pages |
| 11:48.00 | LaF0rge | but the lcd on gta01 definitely will be affected |
| 11:48.26 | LaF0rge | i thought ben dooks (fluffs) had some ideas on how to implement this but never got around |
| 11:48.35 | SpeedEvil | you can - from memory - set the CPU divider completely seperately to the LCD and USB/... clocks |
| 11:48.38 | ahven | is the lcd brightness acessible through linux? |
| 11:48.44 | tonyg | would it be enough to switch off the backlight before messing with the cpu freq? |
| 11:48.50 | SpeedEvil | the USB PLL is completely seperated |
| 11:48.52 | tonyg | or would the lcd get Horribly Confused? |
| 11:48.55 | XorA | audio doesnt care about the frequency it is fed |
| 11:49.14 | LaF0rge | xora: audio shares clock with usb pll and is independent. |
| 11:49.37 | XorA | LaF0rge: still audio driver doesnt care as long as the codec pll can match |
| 11:49.38 | LaF0rge | xora: what about the various asoc resume patches that are still needed on top of linux-2.6 git? |
| 11:49.53 | SpeedEvil | From memory - some brief looks at it indicated that the PLL could slew quite fast indeed |
| 11:50.00 | XorA | LaF0rge: nothing has got to mainline yet AFAIK |
| 11:50.17 | gi-el | wow |
| 11:50.35 | LaF0rge | xora: yes, I'm more asking whether those fixes are still applicable and why they aren't mainline yet, tiven that they are around since july 1st or so ;) |
| 11:51.02 | tonyg | gah. the wiki isn't responding |
| 11:51.07 | XorA | LaF0rge: they were pushed a couple of weeks ago to alsa-kernel |
| 11:51.11 | SpeedEvil | tonyg: it seems off-and-on. |
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| 11:51.46 | LaF0rge | xora: ok. i'm talking about http://svn.openmoko.org/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/asoc-core-suspend_resume.patch and http://svn.openmoko.org/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/asoc-s3c24xx-iis-suspend_resume.patch |
| 11:52.07 | XorA | LaF0rge: yes, both of those are on the way to mainline |
| 11:52.17 | XorA | LaF0rge: broonie at Wolfson handles them now |
| 11:52.32 | LaF0rge | ok. good. then I don't have to worry about these |
| 11:52.32 | SpeedEvil | LaF0rge: I noticed that the modem wakes the neo from suspend-RAM with the stock november image. |
| 11:52.39 | SpeedEvil | which is nice. |
| 11:52.56 | SpeedEvil | the serial is in a confused state though) |
| 11:53.12 | gi-el | at some point i've hacked some code into mplayer that changed system frequency depending on the complexity of the frames to be decoded |
| 11:53.15 | gi-el | worked quite nicely |
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| 11:53.29 | LaF0rge | btw: 2.6.24.x patchset is booting quite fine, haven't tested all drivers yet, obviously |
| 11:53.57 | gi-el | (this was not on the neo, btw) |
| 11:54.15 | SpeedEvil | gi-el: was it on a device with the same CPU?> |
| 11:54.51 | gi-el | SpeedEvil: no, it was on some philips cpu :) |
| 11:55.39 | gi-el | SpeedEvil: but the concept might be applicable, there are a number of situations where you can predict your workload quite nicely so you can switch frequency in time with demand, although you have a relatively slow PLL switching time |
| 11:55.54 | SpeedEvil | and you may not care much about the PLL |
| 11:56.02 | SpeedEvil | if you can just change the output divider |
| 11:56.16 | gi-el | SpeedEvil: maybe even something for the neo daemon or some other component that has more or less a system overview |
| 11:56.18 | SpeedEvil | which gets a fair chunk of the benefits |
| 11:56.36 | XorA | LaF0rge: shit there is a patch missing from 2.6.22 recipe |
| 11:56.44 | josch | CM, you forgot to mention: my battvolt-graph you showed was not from the original FIC battery! but imho it doesnt matter very much - it looks similar with the original battery |
| 11:56.49 | gi-el | ideally, you want each application and component to register its "real time" properties and wishes with some overseeing daemon that handles the frequency |
| 11:57.02 | SpeedEvil | josch: it's all one chemistry - pretty much |
| 11:57.44 | josch | SpeedEvil, right but my battery had twice the capacity so there might be differences in discharge rate etc.. |
| 11:58.08 | SpeedEvil | josch: once you're at 3V, you've got under a percent of enrergy left. |
| 11:58.22 | SpeedEvil | it's discharge rate that's more important in general. |
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| 11:58.55 | SpeedEvil | In practice - in a 'real' phone - we probably want to reserve a bit. |
| 11:58.56 | tonyg | SpeedEvil, you had the modem wake from "mem">/sys/power/state? exactly which image are you using? |
| 11:59.09 | SpeedEvil | tonyg: the 'november' one from the wiki |
| 11:59.12 | josch | SpeedEvil, I completely agree |
| 12:00.12 | tonyg | buildhost.openmoko.org is refusing connections |
| 12:00.13 | XorA | LaF0rge: packages/linux/linux-openmoko/s3c24xx-pcm-suspend.patch is also needed |
| 12:00.22 | LaF0rge | tonyg: downloads.openmoko.org? |
| 12:00.34 | tonyg | heh :) thanks LaF0rge |
| 12:00.49 | LaF0rge | xora: seems like i forgot that |
| 12:01.06 | XorA | LaF0rge: no, I forgot to include it in recipe I pushed, so you woudlnt have seen it |
| 12:01.08 | SpeedEvil | I would post a link to the one I downloaded. |
| 12:01.18 | tonyg | http://downloads.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.11/images/ |
| 12:01.21 | tonyg | ? |
| 12:01.52 | tonyg | I'll grab it this evening. |
| 12:02.06 | tonyg | It's newer than the buildhost one I've been running with (by about a week) |
| 12:03.29 | LaF0rge | tonyg: downlodas.openmoko.org is just a rsync mirror of buildhost |
| 12:03.54 | LaF0rge | i've been asking for > 6 months that this url should be used in the feeds and all official URL's but nobody wanted to listen :/ |
| 12:04.03 | SpeedEvil | the kernel is Linux fic-gta01 2.6.22.5-moko11 #1 PREEMPT Sat Dec 1 03:40:58 CET 2007 armv4tl unknown |
| 12:04.22 | SpeedEvil | I don't know what the original filename is - I seem to have lost them |
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| 12:04.30 | tonyg | Mine's a nov 16 kernel. I'll update. |
| 12:04.44 | tonyg | With the nov16 kernel, GSM activity didn't wake the machine. |
| 12:05.00 | SpeedEvil | It wakes it - but the modem comes back screwed. |
| 12:05.06 | tonyg | and when I pushed AUX, the machine woke, but the gsm modem was as you say screwed :) |
| 12:05.23 | tonyg | it'll be that darned console again |
| 12:05.33 | tonyg | chatting with the modem off on its own |
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| 12:05.40 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 12:09.30 | torpor | hi there |
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| 12:19.33 | pavelm_lunch | Is roh around? |
| 12:19.50 | pavelm_lunch | Speed: Sorry, I lost connection yesterday. Did incoming call wake the modem? |
| 12:21.35 | pavelm_lunch | (Sorry, running away) |
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| 12:25.27 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 12:25.44 | SpeedEvil | but not with the modem in a usable state |
| 12:27.02 | CIA-14 | 03chris * r3602 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 12:27.02 | CIA-14 | * configure.ac: |
| 12:27.02 | CIA-14 | * src/Makefile.am: |
| 12:27.03 | CIA-14 | * src/today-main.c: (set_window_title), (is_active_notify), |
| 12:27.03 | CIA-14 | (provider_changed_cb), (main): |
| 12:27.03 | CIA-14 | * src/today.h: |
| 12:27.05 | CIA-14 | Use phone-kit to display network name (bug #367) |
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| 12:27.47 | LaF0rge | hi stefan |
| 12:28.27 | stefan_schmidt | hi LaF0rge |
| 12:28.53 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: While you are on the 2.6.24 merge. Can you also apply the resume fix for the LCM from openmoko-kernel? |
| 12:29.04 | CM | pavelm_lunch: I think roh is busy moving, haven't seen him for one or two days |
| 12:29.10 | LaF0rge | stefan: currently listening to lennarts pulseaudio talk here |
| 12:29.19 | LaF0rge | stefan: which fix? |
| 12:29.36 | LaF0rge | stefan: I'm currently fixing kdrive on 2.6.24 on gta01 |
| 12:29.48 | XorA | LaF0rge: I think im going blind |
| 12:30.01 | LaF0rge | xora: ? |
| 12:30.03 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: LCm resumes into vga even if it is qvga on suspend. Let me search the url. |
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| 12:30.31 | XorA | LaF0rge: that patch is in the linux-openmoko .bb, Ive read it like 50 times in last few minutes and only managed to read it right the 50th time |
| 12:31.09 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2007-November/000312.html |
| 12:31.12 | LaF0rge | xora: which particular one? |
| 12:31.30 | XorA | s3c24xx-pcm-suspend.patch |
| 12:31.42 | LaF0rge | stefan: interesting, that patch is not in my folder of that list |
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| 12:32.10 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: grr, so now I know why you never applied it. |
| 12:32.14 | LaF0rge | xora: i guess i've only read it once |
| 12:32.22 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: Should I resend to you? |
| 12:33.18 | LaF0rge | stefan: yes, that makes it easiser than having to manually re-type it |
| 12:33.41 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: give me a minute |
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| 12:36.49 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: Sent to your gnumonks address now |
| 12:36.56 | LaF0rge | thanks |
| 12:37.17 | xcasex | aha |
| 12:37.24 | xcasex | i just saw an angström logo |
| 12:37.56 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: How is india? The photos I have seen from James show you smiling. So I presume you like it. :) |
| 12:38.14 | LaF0rge | stefan: well, i'm not that enthusiastic currently being on travel again |
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| 12:38.24 | LaF0rge | and as you can see i'm mostly using my time to get work done anyway |
| 12:39.27 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: But getting work done while hanging out with some old fellows makes traveling easier, right? :) |
| 12:39.53 | LaF0rge | well, the hanging out is done while not working. and no, i would still have preferred to stay home |
| 12:40.19 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: OK, I stop this here. :) |
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| 12:44.12 | NineX | op gta01 |
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| 12:47.44 | LaF0rge | stefan: will apply shortly |
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| 12:50.10 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: thanks |
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| 12:55.13 | pavelm_lunch | transistor removed -- and moko still boots -- good. |
| 12:55.14 | pavelm_lunch | bye bye |
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| 13:02.48 | balrog-kun | LaF0rge: i was afraid i would have to answer that question (which patches) :p i haven't kept a list but i remember there was a couple of them |
| 13:03.07 | balrog-kun | i see a couple got applied though |
| 13:03.55 | balrog-kun | for u-boot there's a patch to make gsm passthrough kindof-work and it's the only local patch i think |
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| 13:07.58 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3603 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta01-core.patch: |
| 13:07.58 | CIA-14 | GTA01: |
| 13:07.58 | CIA-14 | * don't mark s3c2410_displays as __initdata since the driver needs it at fbset time |
| 13:07.58 | CIA-14 | * use correct millimeter values for physical height and width of display |
| 13:07.58 | CIA-14 | * fix switched front/backporch understanding of myself ;) |
| 13:07.58 | CIA-14 | * add 32bpp mode at full-vga |
| 13:09.54 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3604 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta01-jbt6k74.patch: |
| 13:09.54 | CIA-14 | jbt6k74: Resume into right mode |
| 13:09.54 | CIA-14 | This patch fixes the resume behaviour. The driver always resumes into |
| 13:09.54 | CIA-14 | VGA mode. This was fine before adding QVGA mode, but it breaks now. |
| 13:09.54 | CIA-14 | This patch seaves the mode during suspend and resmues into the saved |
| 13:09.55 | CIA-14 | mode. |
| 13:09.57 | CIA-14 | Signed-off-by: Stefan Schmidt <stefan@openmoko.org> |
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| 13:10.25 | LaF0rge | ok, I'm offline for a while now |
| 13:10.32 | SpeedEvil | wave. |
| 13:10.37 | stefan_schmidt | bye LaF0rge |
| 13:10.41 | Pitbullpc | sameo: how is the ar6001 driver coming? |
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| 13:22.45 | Pitbullpc | anyone know how to get sameo's attention? |
| 13:24.22 | CM | ~despise monotone |
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| 13:24.29 | balrog-kun | perhaps using some "key word" |
| 13:24.42 | balrog-kun | like "pizza" but i'm not sure if it works for sameo |
| 13:25.10 | Pitbullpc | guess I should have asked him if he had any key words :) |
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| 13:44.35 | sameo | hey Pitbullpc ...I was having lunch :-) |
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| 13:49.03 | Pitbullpc | np, i just had breakfast :) |
| 13:51.01 | Pitbullpc | sameo: so how are things with the ar6001? |
| 13:51.19 | sameo | Pitbullpc: not bad. I can associate, scan, and do all the regular TCP/IP stuff. |
| 13:52.37 | Pitbullpc | sameo: sounds like you haven't working as it was intended |
| 13:52.46 | sameo | Pitbullpc: I'm having an IO issue right now that forces me to add a 20 us delay with each interrupt. Throughput doesn't really like it.. |
| 13:53.00 | sameo | Pitbullpc: what do you mean ? |
| 13:53.29 | Pitbullpc | sameo: oops, sorry...typo haven't ---> have |
| 13:53.54 | sameo | Pitbullpc: ha, ok :-) Yes, although this IO stuff is getting on my nerve... |
| 13:54.17 | Pitbullpc | sameo: is it all io transactions? |
| 13:54.30 | Mononoke | http://origin.arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071204-mpaas-university-toolkit-hit-with-dmca-takedown-notice-after-gpl-violation.html lol? |
| 13:55.14 | Pitbullpc | sameo: BTW, I did verify that there is a seperate driver for each firmware (1.1 and 1.3) and they are significantly different. |
| 13:55.29 | sameo | Pitbullpc: well, I hit this issue usually after several Mbytes of transaction, when an SDIO CMD is not sent at all, and we're stuck there. |
| 13:55.46 | Pitbullpc | sameo: also, a note on the 1.1 firmware/driver: as told to me, the ability to change the transmit power is either broken or disabled |
| 13:55.51 | sameo | Pitbullpc: yeah, the WMI API is at least different and not backward compatible. |
| 13:56.04 | sameo | Pitbullpc: yep, I've been told that as well. |
| 13:56.19 | sameo | Pitbullpc: but I think there won't be any 1.3 GPL driver from Atheros. |
| 13:57.17 | Pitbullpc | sameo: licensing and NDA :) |
| 13:58.16 | sameo | Pitbullpc: yep...have you done some progresses with your HW design so far ? |
| 13:58.25 | Pitbullpc | sameo: may I ask why you think that they won't make 1.3 GPL eventually? |
| 13:58.46 | cosmin | rwhitby: i managed to compile module-init-tools-cross on mandriva |
| 13:59.32 | cosmin | maybe you don't remember, i asked a couple of times about not being able to link agains glibc |
| 13:59.34 | Pitbullpc | sameo: our boards are being respun to support the compact flash interface of the AR6001 |
| 14:00.05 | rwhitby | cosmin: what was the problem? |
| 14:00.31 | cosmin | rwhitby: i had to install the glibc-static-devel package |
| 14:00.33 | Pitbullpc | sameo: the next version will support SDIO, CF, and Local Bus by changing a config register in our CPLD |
| 14:00.34 | sameo | Pitbullpc: sounds good. If you really want throughput then it's better than SDIO I guess. |
| 14:00.59 | sameo | Pitbullpc: ok, some bootloader changes only then. |
| 14:01.28 | cosmin | i read this on the openembedded's site, thanks for pointing me to them |
| 14:01.59 | Pitbullpc | yeah, the CPLD will control the boot strapping of the modes and routing to the respective interface |
| 14:03.00 | Pitbullpc | sameo: our issue right now is that we are fighting with the PCMCIA/CF interface from the processor (iMX31 |
| 14:03.43 | sameo | Pitbullpc: it's not working fine ? |
| 14:04.22 | Pitbullpc | sameo: are you familiar with that chip? they have two eval kits out, a LogicPD board (iMX31 Lite kit) and a Freescale board (iMX31ADS) |
| 14:04.55 | Pitbullpc | sameo: neither board has it working as shipped |
| 14:05.16 | sameo | Pitbullpc: yeah, we made poky support the imx31 lite kit recently. I remeber having issues with the CF interface though. |
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| 14:06.23 | Pitbullpc | sameo: on some revs there are hardware issues as well as software. you can get some info on the logicpd forums |
| 14:07.24 | sameo | Pitbullpc: yeah, I browsed those forums and they were saying that the latest lite kit revisions should have the CF interface fixed. |
| 14:07.50 | sameo | Pitbullpc: but we didn't investigate too much, as we didn't really need this interface. |
| 14:07.52 | Pitbullpc | sameo: there are some timings messed up somewhere too that we are trying narrow down. anyway, we have to get that interface going before we can start looking to integrating a driver |
| 14:08.07 | biglaughing | hello everyone. |
| 14:08.42 | biglaughing | i got a treo650. i wanna install openmoko on my phone. is there any binary that i can download from web site ? thank you very much for the guidance. |
| 14:09.02 | Pitbullpc | sameo: ideally, we wanted to use the AR6001 in a pure Local Bus mode/interface. however, no one on the planet has actually done this to date. so it was considered too high risk |
| 14:09.54 | sameo | Pitbullpc: I agree with that, definitely :-) |
| 14:10.46 | Pitbullpc | sameo: Card Access does have a customer though, who is willing go for it. Card Access will be doing the design/develpment in a couple months. |
| 14:11.15 | sameo | Pitbullpc: but are you working on a commercial product ? |
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| 14:13.22 | Pitbullpc | sameo: our product is a prototype/"proof of concept" |
| 14:13.52 | sameo | Pitbullpc: ok, so you can afford to wait for CardAccess design ? |
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| 14:14.32 | Pitbullpc | sameo: hell no, waiting 2 months would cost me $2 million |
| 14:14.41 | sameo | Pitbullpc: oops... |
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| 14:15.58 | Pitbullpc | saemo: the sad thing is, that at the rate we are getting things together, Card Access might have it working by the time we field the demo |
| 14:16.02 | CM | biglaughing: Don't think there's any version of openmoko for that phone yet, but I hope I'm proved wrong. ;) |
| 14:17.58 | balrog-kun | bobofdoom had gsmd and dialer and some other parts running on the Treo650 |
| 14:18.16 | Pitbullpc | sameo: we will have a calibration station set up mid january. by then, we should have the CF interface debugged and the driver integrated into our build |
| 14:18.40 | sameo | Pitbullpc: but you get your module straight from Atheros ? |
| 14:18.55 | sameo | Pitbullpc: can't you get them to calibrate it for you ? |
| 14:18.55 | Pitbullpc | sameo: by end of Jan. we should be where you are, except with the CF interface |
| 14:19.10 | CM | balrog-kun: Ah, cool |
| 14:19.49 | Pitbullpc | sameo: our chips are drop shipped from Atheros, but an updated 1.3 driver will be from Card Access |
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| 14:20.38 | Pitbullpc | sameo: the 1.3 driver from atheros is based on Fedora Core 3 (2.6.9 kernel). Card Access has updated it to 2.6.22 |
| 14:23.10 | Pitbullpc | sameo: the kicker is that the entire driver is going to have to be rewritten for a different OS....I know, the next ? is why.....well, it's complicated ;-) |
| 14:23.35 | sameo | Pitbullpc: no, the next question is : which OS ? |
| 14:23.56 | xcasex | ehrm, ipkg fails when updating, wtf? |
| 14:24.05 | Pitbullpc | sameo: Green Hills Integrity |
| 14:24.11 | xcasex | is there something up with the OM servers? |
| 14:26.40 | Pitbullpc | sameo: oh, and no Atheros can't calibrate them before they are shipped. The calibration has to be done in the final design to compensate for losses from the RF chain. |
| 14:27.19 | sameo | Pitbullpc: oh, yeah, that's right, you have your own RF chain, obviously |
| 14:28.49 | Pitbullpc | sameo: what processor is the GTA using |
| 14:29.01 | sameo | Pitbullpc: s3c24xx from Samsung |
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| 14:30.55 | Pitbullpc | sameo: is that an ARM11? |
| 14:31.43 | sameo | Pitbullpc: no, ARM9tdmi |
| 14:31.58 | xcasex | ScaredyCat: ping |
| 14:33.50 | ScaredyCat | xcasex: pong |
| 14:34.16 | xcasex | ScaredyCat: do you have the faintest about whats going on with the OM ipkg repos? |
| 14:34.20 | Pitbullpc | sameo: have you seen the Eye-fi card? |
| 14:34.32 | ScaredyCat | official om ones or mine ? |
| 14:35.18 | sameo | Pitbullpc: no...just browsing their web page right now. Is it an ar6k chip in that stuff ? |
| 14:35.35 | Pitbullpc | sameo: yep. AR6001 |
| 14:36.07 | sameo | Pitbullpc: sweet...do you know about some european shops that would sell it ? |
| 14:36.28 | Pitbullpc | sameo: unfortunately, no |
| 14:36.32 | xcasex | ScaredyCat: official ones |
| 14:36.57 | ScaredyCat | afaik they have some connectivity issues.... |
| 14:37.17 | ScaredyCat | .. I get "Unable to connect to remote host (88.198.84.234): No route to host" here |
| 14:37.31 | xcasex | i get that.. sometimes |
| 14:37.49 | ScaredyCat | you should probably use a real repo not that crappy official one :P |
| 14:37.59 | ScaredyCat | ~blame XorA |
| 14:38.00 | apt | ACTION blames XorA (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 14:38.11 | xcasex | ScaredyCat: what's a good repo then? |
| 14:38.12 | XorA | whats I dont now? |
| 14:38.27 | ScaredyCat | ^^^ in English please ;) |
| 14:38.36 | ScaredyCat | xcasex: mine :D |
| 14:38.45 | XorA | s/dont/done/ |
| 14:38.54 | ScaredyCat | ^^^ in English please ;) |
| 14:38.54 | xcasex | ScaredyCat: i'm using them too ;D |
| 14:39.06 | ScaredyCat | what is it that I has done |
| 14:39.16 | ScaredyCat | xcasex: :) |
| 14:39.40 | ScaredyCat | XorA: still problems with connections to taiwan ? |
| 14:39.55 | ScaredyCat | I thought there was a european server... |
| 14:40.01 | ScaredyCat | is that b0rked too ? |
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| 14:40.31 | XorA | hardware failure I think |
| 14:40.36 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 14:40.41 | Pitbullpc | sameo: i will inquire about your IO delay and see if I can come up with anything. are there any other issues? |
| 14:40.44 | XorA | sys admin is working on it |
| 14:41.19 | ScaredyCat | again? |
| 14:41.24 | sameo | Pitbullpc: oh, thanks a lot. I think it comes from my SDIO controller, but it's probably worth asking. Thats about it for now. |
| 14:41.30 | ScaredyCat | you need to buy better hardware :) |
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| 14:44.37 | Pitbullpc | sameo: i will check in monday with whatever I have. catch you later. |
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| 14:45.50 | Pitbullpc | sameo: oh, i just froogle searched the eye-fi card $98 at WalMart, what a country :) |
| 14:47.03 | Pitbullpc | sameo: If you can't get your hands on one, I could ship it from here. Do you work in the main head quarters? |
| 14:50.27 | sameo | Pitbullpc: no, I work from home, in France. Do you think you could ship one of those cards ? |
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| 14:52.20 | Pitbullpc | sameo: yeah, just need an address |
| 14:53.05 | Pitbullpc | sameo: send to mike at pitbullpc dot com |
| 14:53.29 | sameo | Pitbullpc: nice, thanks a lot :-D |
| 14:55.26 | xcasex | ScaredyCat: pdf support is via which efl app? |
| 14:56.29 | XorA | epdf |
| 14:56.52 | ScaredyCat | psplash - Yay! |
| 14:57.02 | sameo | Pitbullpc: email sent, thanks again ! |
| 14:57.10 | XorA | ScaredyCat: even looks the same :-) |
| 14:57.19 | ScaredyCat | roflmao |
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| 15:03.00 | CM | Wow, ambitious project: http://openaerialmap.org/ |
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| 15:04.46 | jeddy3 | :D |
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| 15:06.40 | nelson | XorA: hey there ... |
| 15:06.52 | nelson | XorA: can I get you to apply the patch in http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3248 |
| 15:07.02 | nelson | It's necessary to get agg to compile and build ipkgs. |
| 15:07.19 | Pitbullpc | sameo: you may need to resend. I forgot that deleted that account a while ago, good thing i checked |
| 15:07.40 | Pitbullpc | sameo: i recreated the account, so it should work now |
| 15:07.44 | nelson | It may not be the only thing wrong, but at least it fixes something wrong. |
| 15:07.58 | XorA | nelson: according to mickeyl its applied |
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| 15:08.37 | sameo | Pitbullpc: ok, np, resent |
| 15:08.38 | nelson | Ahhh, okay, sorry, I hadn't loaded it today. |
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| 15:12.50 | Pitbullpc | sameo: you have an "at openedhand" email address right? |
| 15:13.04 | sameo | Pitbullpc: yep |
| 15:13.26 | Pitbullpc | sameo: i will send you email if the address doesn't show up or when I have shipped it |
| 15:14.18 | sameo | Pitbullpc: cool, please let me know how I'll pay it to you.. |
| 15:14.24 | Pitbullpc | sameo: i have to get work before I am missed and the world as they know it comes to an end :) |
| 15:14.24 | VladimirBG | I have a few questions about openmoko if I may... (note, I'm no developer or coder) |
| 15:14.44 | Pitbullpc | sameo: i think we could do PayPal, that might be easy enough |
| 15:15.09 | Pitbullpc | sameo: details will be in email |
| 15:15.09 | sameo | Pitbullpc: cool, thanks. |
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| 15:16.06 | VladimirBG | comparing OpenMoko to Win Mobile and Palm OS, how diferent would it look and "feel"? |
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| 15:18.41 | hhf423 | hicks |
| 15:19.37 | hhf423 | VladimirBG: what doe you mean by "feel"? |
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| 15:25.28 | Merire | Hello there |
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| 15:29.54 | xcasex | glargh |
| 15:30.01 | xcasex | where does ipkg store the packages it downloads? |
| 15:30.29 | balrog-kun | VladimirBG: Palm OS will always feel much faster and perhaps simpler and uglier if running on the same machine |
| 15:32.50 | LaF0rge | re all |
| 15:33.22 | xcasex | LaF0rge: salut |
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| 15:37.31 | XorA | xcasex: /tmp/ipkg-<random>/ |
| 15:37.31 | VladimirBG | balrog-kun, how come an out-dated OS like Palm can be faster than a Linux optimezed for a mobile device? |
| 15:37.55 | VladimirBG | optimized* |
| 15:38.06 | XorA | isnt palm single threaded? |
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| 15:43.23 | xcasex | anyone attempt to boot off of the sd card? |
| 15:43.54 | CM | xcasex: Boot or having the rootfs there? |
| 15:44.42 | CM | torpor and ScaredyCat are running with rootfs on the sd card :) |
| 15:45.45 | xcasex | CM: rootfs :D |
| 15:45.48 | xcasex | aha! |
| 15:46.03 | xcasex | ScaredyCat: muchacho, put it on the wiki ;) |
| 15:46.15 | CM | But you need an old uboot to handle that, ScaredyCat has it in his repo |
| 15:46.21 | xcasex | ugh |
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| 15:49.07 | PBeck | servus |
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| 15:58.23 | VladimirBG | Is there a bounty sistem for features in OpenMoko? |
| 15:58.31 | VladimirBG | How can one contributr? |
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| 16:01.54 | JohnMahowald | VladimirBG: http://wiki.openmoko.org/ |
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| 16:51.34 | CM | Always nice with a long lunch.. ;) |
| 16:52.10 | ahven | from my point of view it is time for dinner already ;) |
| 16:52.13 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 16:52.49 | mickeyl | i have a friend who's waiter in an italian restaurant. he didn't let me go earlier since I only come so rarely... |
| 16:53.17 | Writchie | any kernel hackers here had trouble with kzalloc not zeroing memory? |
| 16:53.18 | CM | Oh, sounds like a good time. Italian food is delicious |
| 16:53.24 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 16:53.41 | mickeyl | custom made tagliatelle with truffels |
| 16:53.59 | mickeyl | and he want's to open his own restaurant |
| 16:54.09 | mickeyl | i'm thinking whether to support him financially |
| 16:54.16 | CM | Oh, cool |
| 16:54.21 | CM | :) |
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| 16:56.33 | ahven | when I'm in the u-boot and the usb is connected, how fast is it charging? must I connect to the ttyACM0 in order to enable the 500mA charging? |
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| 16:57.40 | Writchie | if the device enumerates on the host then it should be charging at 500ma |
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| 16:58.55 | ahven | maxpower is 500mA in the lsusb output |
| 16:59.36 | CIA-14 | 03chris * r3608 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 16:59.36 | CIA-14 | * src/today-main.c: (set_time_idle), (clock_clicked_cb), |
| 16:59.36 | CIA-14 | (today_create_home_page), (digital_clock_notify), |
| 16:59.36 | CIA-14 | (small_clock_notify), (main): |
| 16:59.36 | CIA-14 | * src/today-pim-journal.c: (today_pim_journal_box_new): |
| 16:59.38 | CIA-14 | * src/today-task-manager.c: (today_task_manager_populate_tasks): |
| 16:59.42 | CIA-14 | * src/today.h: |
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| 17:00.31 | ahven | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.31 | ahven | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.31 | ahven | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.31 | ahven | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.31 | ahven | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.34 | ahven | is this normal? |
| 17:01.13 | jeffdameth | mickeyl: hi. i heard that you hosted a prebuild sdk. will it be avaible again? |
| 17:01.47 | CVirus | Where is my GTA02 ? |
| 17:01.52 | CVirus | I demand a GTA02 |
| 17:02.00 | CVirus | or though shall die |
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| 17:02.16 | nelson | w00t w00t! |
| 17:02.20 | mickeyl | jeffdameth: define sdk. what are you looking for? |
| 17:02.28 | nelson | I have gnash-CVS with agg rendering working! |
| 17:02.44 | nelson | How do I get that .bb file into OE? |
| 17:03.05 | XorA | bugs.openembedded.org |
| 17:04.01 | Writchie | ahven: looks normal for DFU mode |
| 17:04.21 | ahven | ok |
| 17:04.54 | jeffdameth | mickeyl: the oe build environment for openmoko. abraxa gave me this link http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/sdk/ |
| 17:05.42 | mickeyl | ah |
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| 17:05.59 | mickeyl | john lee released this for x86_64 a few days ago |
| 17:06.09 | mickeyl | i dunno offhand where he put it |
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| 17:06.17 | mickeyl | he announced it on the mailing list |
| 17:07.10 | rami__ | hello, does anybody know when openmoko will get out of the developer stage? |
| 17:07.31 | jeffdameth | mickeyl: ok, i'll have a look. though i would need it for 32bit |
| 17:07.47 | mickeyl | jeffdameth: john is working on that. if he doesn't release it by weekend, I'll build one |
| 17:08.38 | jeffdameth | mickeyl: it might be nice to have an ubuntu package of the sdk + emulator. so that one can easily try out developing and then buy a neo to have it running on a real device =) |
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| 17:11.08 | mickeyl | it's going to be a vmware image |
| 17:11.19 | mickeyl | that should get you basically the same |
| 17:11.27 | mickeyl | with included toolchain, evaluation environment, and IDE |
| 17:11.33 | Stephmw | mickeyl: have you used ljp's greenphone SDK? |
| 17:11.47 | mickeyl | Stephmw: 'used' would be too much, i have seen it. |
| 17:12.04 | Stephmw | mickeyl: I'm keen on being able to avoid vmware for performance reasons |
| 17:12.17 | Stephmw | vmware as a controller for a build farm... sure |
| 17:12.28 | mickeyl | well, perhaps someone can convert it |
| 17:12.38 | mickeyl | besides, the components will also be released individually |
| 17:12.49 | Stephmw | mickeyl: oh. and be sure to purge root's history before shipping the image :D |
| 17:13.06 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 17:16.13 | ahven | ok, asking again, is it possible to control the level of the lcd brightness from the command line? |
| 17:17.28 | mickeyl | sure |
| 17:17.33 | mickeyl | it's a sysfs node |
| 17:17.43 | mickeyl | sys/class/backlight/something-bl/brightness |
| 17:17.51 | mickeyl | will be a dbus API soon next year |
| 17:24.47 | ahven | and I have GSM connection :) |
| 17:25.00 | ahven | though no sound coming in or going out when in call |
| 17:25.16 | ahven | I think I aborted the call and the scripts got confused |
| 17:25.21 | Sup3rkiddo | hi, any volunteers for trying out some python code, my neo has been separated from me and am dying to see if the code works... |
| 17:25.41 | ahven | Sup3rkiddo: what does it so? (supposedly) |
| 17:26.50 | Sup3rkiddo | ahven: its just a python binding for the gsmd stack...just added some stuff and want to see if it works on the device..sorta works on the host though |
| 17:27.09 | ahven | I would give it a try :) |
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| 17:28.29 | Sup3rkiddo | ahven: thanks, lemme just put up the new ipk someplace, fyi the older one is here http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/?group_id=14 |
| 17:28.33 | Sup3rkiddo | yay |
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| 17:29.22 | ahven | err |
| 17:29.34 | ahven | lot of errors with nov. rootfs & ipkg update |
| 17:33.47 | rami__ | guys i asked this earlier "does anybody know when openmoko will get out of the developer stage?" any idea? Thanks in advance |
| 17:35.17 | rami__ | So we have to wait more? |
| 17:35.21 | mickeyl | uhm |
| 17:35.24 | mickeyl | what do you expect? |
| 17:35.25 | mickeyl | it's like |
| 17:35.29 | mickeyl | when will KDE be finished? |
| 17:35.29 | CIA-14 | 03chris * r3609 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/: Update libtaku, fixes bug #981 |
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| 17:36.04 | mickeyl | please don't forget the openmoko smartphone stack is a community project, (albeit funded by OpenMoko Inc.). |
| 17:36.49 | mickeyl | i can make a guess here but you will not like to hear it |
| 17:37.40 | rami__ | Ok lemme rephrase, i don't expact it to be an final product, since i know its an continous development phone...but when will it be every day usable? |
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| 17:37.59 | mickeyl | well that depends on what you epect |
| 17:38.01 | mickeyl | expect, even |
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| 17:38.13 | mickeyl | i can't comment on the hardware |
| 17:38.17 | mickeyl | and much of it is hardware |
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| 17:38.21 | rami__ | software? |
| 17:38.24 | mickeyl | _if_ the hardware works really godo |
| 17:38.25 | mickeyl | good |
| 17:38.34 | mickeyl | then it should be ready in about 3 to 6 months |
| 17:38.42 | mickeyl | basic phone + PIM |
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| 17:38.55 | mickeyl | that's a conservative guess |
| 17:38.58 | XorA|gone | mickeyl: I hope thats the normal plutonian months we use :-) |
| 17:39.02 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 17:39.03 | mickeyl | yes |
| 17:39.08 | mickeyl | no OpenMoko months this time ;) |
| 17:39.24 | Stephmw | oh dear |
| 17:39.26 | Stephmw | :) |
| 17:39.47 | rami__ | oh well thanks guys |
| 17:40.02 | Stephmw | Mononoke: 11 years isn't it? |
| 17:40.12 | Mononoke | mickeyl: I hope you were talking about GTA03 not GTA02 :S |
| 17:40.27 | mickeyl | well |
| 17:40.44 | Stephmw | Mononoke: ah, no... 248.09 yr |
| 17:40.47 | mickeyl | what can i say. i have my doubts about gta02. it's still a developer board in a phone case, if you ask me privately |
| 17:40.52 | Stephmw | Mononoke: we'll be well dead and buried |
| 17:40.55 | mickeyl | but it's a good developer board |
| 17:41.07 | mickeyl | and we should all buy lots of units |
| 17:41.27 | Mononoke | still I think that GTA03 can come after my death |
| 17:41.39 | Mononoke | but GTA02 could be released while I'm alive :P |
| 17:42.10 | Mononoke | but nevermind delay doesn't matter it's quality what matters |
| 17:42.19 | mickeyl | sure |
| 17:42.23 | mickeyl | mass market needs a slick case |
| 17:42.27 | mickeyl | and a matrix keypad |
| 17:42.34 | mickeyl | or a really good and larger ts |
| 17:42.40 | mickeyl | IMO |
| 17:42.54 | mickeyl | (always wearing the FOSS hat, not speaking as OM.Inc.) |
| 17:43.00 | Mononoke | or just mobile with boobs >.> |
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| 17:43.12 | mickeyl | haha, yeah |
| 17:43.14 | jeddy3 | does bearnaise-sauce contain a lot of sugar? |
| 17:43.16 | SpeedEvil | Mononoke: two 'nipple' pointers? |
| 17:43.18 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: Time for mickeyl|foss? |
| 17:43.30 | mickeyl | stefan_schmidt: good point |
| 17:43.55 | Sup3rkiddo | Mononoke: there are kids in here |
| 17:44.04 | Sup3rkiddo | ~fish Mononoke |
| 17:44.05 | apt | ACTION slaps Mononoke around with a large trout |
| 17:44.09 | mickeyl | since i don't get payed for my IRC appereance maybe i should blog about me being here being a private thing |
| 17:44.14 | mickeyl | *shrug* |
| 17:44.45 | mickeyl | by the way |
| 17:44.49 | mickeyl | expedite finally builds again |
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| 17:44.53 | mickeyl | so we can do some nice benchmarks |
| 17:44.56 | mickeyl | wrt. fb-directly |
| 17:44.59 | mickeyl | and through X11 |
| 17:45.05 | mickeyl | will do that on weekend |
| 17:45.08 | Mononoke | Sup3rkiddo: how so, I guess that Openmoko doesn't have kids as target audience |
| 17:46.22 | Sup3rkiddo | http://rapidshare.com/files/74734556/python-gsmd_0.01-r1_armv4t.ipk.html heres the link to the ipk in case someone is interested...sorry for hosting it on rapidshare though :/ |
| 17:47.14 | folken | Sup3rkiddo: is that the alternate gsmd? |
| 17:47.16 | SpeedEvil | I'm betting there are a fair number of 12yo's interested. The notion that any of the set that is interested has not been surfing 4chan/... |
| 17:47.59 | Sup3rkiddo | folken: no not the alternate if you meant gsmd2,...its the upstream version |
| 17:49.03 | SpeedEvil | mickeyl: is there a list anywhere of the phones that FIC makes? |
| 17:49.39 | SpeedEvil | mickeyl: I mean - in principle, are there any other phones that OM might run on? |
| 17:49.42 | mickeyl | you mean the feature phones? |
| 17:49.52 | SpeedEvil | Even if not ideal for other reasons. |
| 17:50.04 | mickeyl | openezx |
| 17:50.07 | mickeyl | well |
| 17:50.09 | mickeyl | ezx phones |
| 17:50.14 | mickeyl | some htc |
| 17:50.16 | mickeyl | palm tx |
| 17:50.25 | mickeyl | hmm, the latter not being a phone |
| 17:50.27 | mickeyl | iirc |
| 17:50.30 | SpeedEvil | That FIC makes and owns the rights to I mean. |
| 17:50.34 | mickeyl | ah |
| 17:50.39 | mickeyl | GTA01, GTA02 |
| 17:50.44 | mickeyl | nothing else from FIC currently |
| 17:50.48 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 17:51.34 | mickeyl | hopefully new models next year |
| 17:51.38 | mickeyl | but doubtful given the 02 delay |
| 17:51.56 | Mononoke | Sup3rkiddo: 86.110.226.21/python-gsmd_0.01-r1_armv4t.ipk |
| 17:52.19 | Sup3rkiddo | Mononoke: ah thanks.... |
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| 17:52.34 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: there is probably a very hairy certification issue associated with hacking a GSM phone it ways unintended by the manufacturer that obtain the GSM or regulatory certification. |
| 17:52.43 | Writchie | s/it/in/ |
| 17:53.01 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: I was assuming a nominally seperate model sticker |
| 17:53.04 | Mononoke | Sup3rkiddo: you should download it and check it's hash :S |
| 17:53.23 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: and that it'd need a seperate FCC run |
| 17:53.28 | Sup3rkiddo | Mononoke: yeah let me, Firefox 3 isnt bringing up the download box |
| 17:55.16 | Writchie | AFAIK: FCC issues only involve emission compliance - not functionality. GSM IIRC requires another certification process for compliance with mandatory GSM specs. |
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| 17:55.27 | mickeyl | ~hail zecke |
| 17:55.28 | apt | ACTION bows down to zecke and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 17:55.32 | zecke | Sup3rkiddo: hey, I didn't remember you are from india |
| 17:55.32 | mickeyl | how's india? |
| 17:55.50 | Sup3rkiddo | Mononoke: oops, they don't |
| 17:55.54 | zecke | Sup3rkiddo: it is sad you didn't make it. I have to catch up with nomind tomorrow. I had hoped he would be online |
| 17:55.55 | Mononoke | :S |
| 17:56.00 | zecke | mickeyl: fantastic |
| 17:56.05 | Sup3rkiddo | zecke: hi, i couldnt make it to FOSS.in =( |
| 17:56.51 | Sup3rkiddo | zecke: cool..how is stuff going on... |
| 17:57.12 | zecke | if nomind comes around tell him I would really like to chat with him more during the next days :) |
| 17:57.15 | stefan_schmidt | hi zecke |
| 17:57.22 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: how is your cold |
| 17:57.24 | stefan_schmidt | ? |
| 17:57.40 | zecke | Sup3rkiddo: everything is fine, I need to work now which means I will use the connection to the AP. So cya later :) |
| 17:57.51 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: surely you mean the FCC requires GSM transmitters to? |
| 17:58.05 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: as there is no seperate GSM regulation body |
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| 17:58.50 | Sup3rkiddo | zecke: bye, have fun |
| 17:59.30 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: the transmitters must comply with the emission requirements, max inband out of band power etc. There is FCC in US and R&TTE Directive in Europe. |
| 17:59.39 | ahven | interesting...power management was set on "dim only, don't lock" |
| 17:59.42 | ahven | but it did lock |
| 18:00.01 | Writchie | For network compatibility there is GCF certification since 2000. |
| 18:00.20 | Writchie | GCF IIRC is voluntary |
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| 18:00.54 | Writchie | microwave oven must comply with emission requirements. |
| 18:01.03 | Writchie | doesn't have to properly cook food. |
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| 18:03.17 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: there was a "type approval" process in GSM and I think it is still in effect. |
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| 18:16.01 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: http://www.globalcertificationforum.org/Application/CMS/static/?page=home_public.htm |
| 18:16.14 | Writchie | It doesn't appear that FIC is a member. |
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| 18:17.12 | Writchie | The requirements seem to be relatively minor but you do have to do things like a field trial and demonstrate making calls on every band you claim to support ;) |
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| 18:18.05 | Writchie | it looks like the "type approval" process I remembered is largely gone - but it may depend on the country. |
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| 18:25.44 | CM | Hehe.. There's nothing you can't run in emacs.. ^^ |
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| 18:30.26 | pavelm | Hello, everyone |
| 18:30.49 | pavelm | ....so I removed (actually Erik removed) transistor from my openmoko, and it still works, good. |
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| 18:41.33 | ahven | ay, net over bluetooth works :) |
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| 18:53.37 | abraxa_ | jeffdameth: Did you get the SDK yet? |
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| 18:54.01 | ahven | abraxa_: hello :) |
| 18:54.18 | abraxa_ | Heya ahven |
| 18:55.45 | ahven | usb networking works, bluetooth networking works...networking through a regular mobile(gprs) perhaps? |
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| 18:57.10 | ahven | abraxa_: maybe you know, is it possible to change the lcd brightness on-the-fly? |
| 18:57.34 | CM | ahven: Just echo a value in there and see :) |
| 18:58.28 | magellan | how close is this to actually being able to function as a phone? |
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| 18:58.43 | ahven | months away |
| 18:58.45 | magellan | how much more does it require other then putting in a GSM card? |
| 18:58.52 | ahven | from my point of view |
| 18:59.12 | ahven | worked pretty out of the box for me, but the scripts need tweaking a little |
| 18:59.16 | magellan | I don't mean a phone for everybody |
| 18:59.39 | ahven | I made my first call today, entered my pin and connected |
| 18:59.42 | magellan | if I put in a gsm card and turn it on, can I make a call.....get a call |
| 18:59.43 | magellan | ? |
| 19:00.06 | ahven | _should_ work without problems, but not guaranteed :) |
| 19:00.10 | abraxa_ | ahven: Yeah it is - e.g. echo 255 > /sys/class/backlight/gta01-bl/brightness |
| 19:00.12 | magellan | right |
| 19:00.40 | ahven | abraxa_: you are using the latest rootfs/kernel, right? |
| 19:00.49 | abraxa_ | Pretty much, yeah |
| 19:00.59 | magellan | yes |
| 19:01.13 | magellan | I have had it for about 24 hours now and am just starting to read up on it |
| 19:01.17 | ahven | is your lcd dimming only, when it is told? mine locks also, but it isn't supposed to |
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| 19:02.51 | abraxa_ | ahven: How do you know it's not supposed to? |
| 19:03.02 | jeffdameth | abraxa_: hey. no, but mickey said that he put up a sdk soon if john doesnt do it first. i can wait. got enough other stuff to do atm :/ |
| 19:03.11 | ahven | abraxa_: atleast that selection is selected from the power management |
| 19:03.51 | abraxa_ | jeffdameth: I'm asking because the 64-bit toolchain is at http://downloads.openmoko.org/toolchains/ so you might wanna keep an eye on that location :) |
| 19:04.27 | abraxa_ | ahven: You have it set on "disabled"? |
| 19:05.27 | ahven | abraxa_: when it is disabled, it doesn't lock, but doesn't dim so fast as "dim only, don't lock" |
| 19:05.50 | jeffdameth | abraxa_: oh yes. thanks. i guess that's the version mickey mentioned |
| 19:07.01 | abraxa_ | ahven: As of now it's all controlled by neod as far as I know - I'm afraid I'm not up-to-date with this area of development |
| 19:07.26 | ahven | ok |
| 19:07.51 | ahven | it worked with a little older rootfs/kernel, was curious :) |
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| 19:31.17 | hhf423__ | hmm |
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| 19:33.41 | ajbrun | hi, is there anyone here who's used both a neo1973 and an iphone? |
| 19:33.57 | ajbrun | how does the screen and responsiveness compare? |
| 19:34.21 | ajbrun | i'm assuming that the neo is at a reasonable level of development to judge |
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| 19:36.38 | ajbrun | yeah - all i've seen so far are the "facts". No opinional or anything |
| 19:36.42 | ajbrun | opinions* |
| 19:37.10 | torpor | i've used both |
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| 19:37.13 | torpor | the iphone is far more polished |
| 19:37.21 | ajbrun | i'd expect that |
| 19:37.23 | torpor | neo feels like what it is: a slow developers phone |
| 19:37.28 | torpor | but it is usable too |
| 19:37.40 | ajbrun | but is it slow because it's not been developed enough yet? |
| 19:37.54 | ajbrun | would the cpu advancements in the GTA02 help? |
| 19:40.18 | hhf423__ | at the moment, you can not compare the two devices |
| 19:40.29 | ajbrun | ah ok :) |
| 19:40.40 | hhf423__ | the iphone is from apple. it is nothing less than spectacular- |
| 19:41.01 | hhf423__ | it is fast, it is polished, it is ready for use |
| 19:41.19 | torpor | the neo works |
| 19:41.20 | hhf423__ | but its also one of the most closed phones ever |
| 19:41.24 | hhf423__ | hahaha |
| 19:41.27 | torpor | it is not spectacular but it works |
| 19:41.28 | hhf423__ | I have a Neo |
| 19:41.40 | hhf423__ | you can not call that working |
| 19:41.49 | torpor | and when the gta02 hits the scene it will definitely be beefy |
| 19:42.07 | torpor | hhf423__: i don't know what image you are running but i'm running an image that lets me use the thing as a phone |
| 19:42.24 | ajbrun | i was just wondering if on the official release date of the neo (not now), the neo would be pretty responsive, and scratch resistant |
| 19:42.24 | torpor | ajbrun: the thing to keep in mind: this is a development stage project. its not ready yet. |
| 19:42.26 | hhf423__ | torpor: ah, and how long does your battery last? |
| 19:42.52 | torpor | i'd say when the official release happens, it will defintiely be smooth and responsive |
| 19:43.00 | torpor | the progress can be estimated, and so far it has been good |
| 19:43.11 | hhf423__ | thats why I said you can not compare them at the moment |
| 19:43.16 | ajbrun | i'm hoping to get my hands on a GTA02 version when that's out anyway, so i'll just follow it as it develops |
| 19:43.27 | torpor | thats the thing to do |
| 19:44.17 | ajbrun | don't know what everyone's going to do with the GTA01's, as by the time the next version is out, theyd all be outdated (i know they bought them to develop on though) |
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| 19:44.51 | torpor | i'm gonna keep mine and use it as a phone of course |
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| 19:45.01 | torpor | i'll get a gta02 too though. |
| 19:46.01 | ajbrun | the only reson i've waited is because doing that seems like a waste of money to me (i'm still on a nokia 3510i), and no one would want to buy it if i'd ebay it |
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| 19:47.30 | SuN | Personally I'm waiting until it's a reasonable phone for daily use (i.e. basic address book, sms and browsing/email). |
| 19:47.54 | ahven | Nokia 6120 classic is nice for that :) |
| 19:48.24 | ajbrun | i don't know how dev is going, but i'm guessing that by the time gta02 is out, it'll be fairly usable as a phone with some minor bugs |
| 19:48.37 | SuN | It's not bad, but it doesn't have that unique edge :) |
| 19:48.42 | SuN | I have a Motorola E6 now. |
| 19:49.07 | ajbrun | the unique edge for me is the openess, which is why i want to get one earlyish and watch as it develops |
| 19:50.05 | torpor | wait until there are some nice apps running on it and then it'll all sort of make sense |
| 19:50.09 | SuN | Well.. to be honest, I tried that with a Zaurus SL5500, a Zaurus SL-C860 and a Siemens Simpad. Now, before I get anything, I want to see code, not promises :D |
| 19:50.11 | torpor | right now whats happening is pretty plain vanilla. |
| 19:51.45 | ajbrun | well, i can't remember the actual figure, but i'm sure i saw somewhere that a lot of people had brough GTA01. If all those are interested in the project, and a small proportion of those are actually developers, i can't see it failing |
| 19:52.57 | SuN | That's what I thought when I bought the aforementioned devices :) |
| 19:53.18 | ajbrun | what was supposed to be unique about those? |
| 19:54.01 | SuN | Eh are you asking or are you being sarcastic? |
| 19:54.20 | ajbrun | no - i really don't know |
| 19:54.35 | ajbrun | never heard of em |
| 19:55.45 | SuN | Oh -- well, the SL5500 was a Linux PDA with a slide QWERTY keyboard, the SL-C860 was a clamshell Linux PDA (in laptop form factor) with a 640x480 screen that could be rotated as well, the Simpad was a 800x600 tablet PDA. |
| 19:56.27 | SuN | THey all worked to a certain extent, but never reached their full potential, IMO. |
| 19:57.12 | ajbrun | i still think the neo will work. If only for the percieved similarities it has with the iPhone |
| 19:57.26 | SuN | It's all about the software. |
| 19:58.01 | SuN | Still, it will mainly appeal to geeks, I guess. Or we'd need more movement in the interface :) |
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| 19:58.19 | ajbrun | i know that, but people will see iphone features at a cheaper price, and with the news because the iphone being closed to developers, the openess of the neo should attract people too |
| 19:58.20 | torpor | i dunno abut that |
| 19:58.28 | torpor | i'm writing music apps for openmoko right now |
| 19:58.34 | ahven | it's like the old days - windows was all about the graphics on the pc, linux was mainly text and lot of non-gui automation, if any :P |
| 19:58.34 | hhf423__ | the GUI is already better than the inside |
| 19:58.40 | ajbrun | it'll appeal to normal people if there are enough geeks writing the apps |
| 19:58.54 | ahven | the same thing, only in smaller proportions |
| 19:59.10 | ajbrun | hhf423__ - what's "the inside"? |
| 19:59.12 | SuN | hhf423__: what do you mean? |
| 19:59.22 | hhf423__ | ajbrun: like gsmd |
| 19:59.46 | ajbrun | is that like gsm? |
| 20:00.05 | ajbrun | lol - i'm quite new to phone tbh |
| 20:00.05 | hhf423__ | like powermanagement |
| 20:00.55 | hhf423__ | there is a browser on it, but there is no gui to configure gprs |
| 20:01.17 | SuN | A configuration app is fairly trivial to write, though. |
| 20:01.26 | SuN | I can imagine it's not a priority at this point. |
| 20:01.27 | hhf423__ | sure |
| 20:01.35 | hhf423__ | will take only half an hour |
| 20:01.39 | SuN | Also, it wouldn't be a requirement for me to get one, as long as it's configurable. |
| 20:01.40 | hhf423__ | dead easy |
| 20:01.49 | hhf423__ | thats why its already done, right? |
| 20:01.54 | SuN | It's just a bunch of buttons and text fields. |
| 20:02.02 | ajbrun | that's why i like the idea of this so much though. If there's something that's missing on the iphone (or anything else), then you're screwed. |
| 20:02.30 | SuN | That's true. |
| 20:02.32 | hhf423__ | the Neo is all about user features |
| 20:02.41 | hhf423__ | if the user wants it, the user writes it |
| 20:03.03 | hhf423__ | so if you want a stable phone with gsm working and powermanagement, why, just write it yourself |
| 20:03.14 | ajbrun | i know the software side is fine - i'm just hoping the hardrware will be enough for what people want to use it for |
| 20:03.37 | hhf423__ | and if you have issues, you can always go to IRC and get told how easy it is |
| 20:03.51 | SuN | hhf423__: there are a lot of people working on that right now. The fact that the hardware is available already is a service, no less. |
| 20:03.52 | torpor | hhf423__: get settingsgui to configure gprs |
| 20:04.10 | hhf423__ | torpor: I know settingsgui, thanks |
| 20:04.13 | SuN | This is a phone that's technically not even released yet. |
| 20:04.19 | SuN | Try that with Nokia or Motorola. |
| 20:04.25 | SuN | Put things in perspective. |
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| 20:04.48 | hhf423__ | same old argument |
| 20:04.56 | hhf423__ | its not a phone, its a dev kit |
| 20:05.13 | SuN | It's both. |
| 20:05.35 | hhf423__ | SuN: so how long do you have your Neo? |
| 20:05.59 | SuN | I don't have a Neo, I told that 10 minutes ago. |
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| 20:06.14 | hhf423__ | ah, then you don't know what you're talking about |
| 20:06.23 | torpor | hhf423__: quit the attitude |
| 20:06.24 | SuN | That's a bullshit argument. |
| 20:06.36 | hhf423__ | no worries, just buy one, become part of the club and enjoy the experience |
| 20:06.42 | torpor | there is no reason to be an ass with someone you are having a discussion with |
| 20:06.54 | ifeel | calm down... |
| 20:07.00 | SuN | I will, once I can use it as a phone, I can't afford to have it lying around. |
| 20:07.06 | CM | apt get beer |
| 20:07.07 | apt | ACTION fetches beer |
| 20:07.13 | torpor | its a developer phone righ tnow |
| 20:07.17 | torpor | its not even announced |
| 20:07.24 | SuN | If you had paid ANY attention to my Zaurus story, you'd understand. |
| 20:07.26 | torpor | just chill on the vitriol about how tis project is workign |
| 20:07.29 | hhf423__ | thats what I am saying. Its a dev kit |
| 20:07.43 | torpor | its not a 'same old argument\, its the truth |
| 20:07.47 | SuN | A phone dev kit :S |
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| 20:08.27 | hhf423__ | I brought the p800 dev kit when it came out. you could do phone calls and everything with the 0.9 software on it. no worries |
| 20:08.56 | torpor | well the same goes for the neo |
| 20:09.14 | SuN | Except the definition of a p800 dev kit is entirely different, since you can't touch the phone OS. |
| 20:09.16 | hhf423__ | anyone who says that this is at this stage something which can be used as a every day phone is on drugs |
| 20:09.21 | ajbrun | some people are more "users" than "developers" |
| 20:09.26 | ajbrun | shouldn't matter tbh |
| 20:09.37 | SuN | hhf423__: well, no one implied that. |
| 20:09.54 | hhf423__ | we should be honest to the world. if we're not honest, we're just kidding ourself |
| 20:09.55 | torpor | hhf423__: i'm using it to make calls daily .. i don't know what your problem is other than perhsaps you're not as bleeding edge as you think you are |
| 20:10.20 | SuN | Who's dishonest? |
| 20:10.31 | hhf423__ | torpor: you never answered my question on how long your battery lasts |
| 20:10.44 | torpor | i get about 4 hours out of it right now |
| 20:10.53 | balrog-kun | if i could charge mine when i wanted, it would probably be usalbe as phone, though definitely not as a mobile phone |
| 20:11.00 | torpor | but - as i'm a developer - i leave it plugged in all day anyway |
| 20:11.29 | hhf423__ | yeah, hahaha, now lets make the distinction between "phone" and "mobile phone" and argue that! |
| 20:11.35 | balrog-kun | but since it charges randomly, i totally agree with hhf423__ |
| 20:11.45 | torpor | hhf423__: lets not. lets just shut the hell up about it instead |
| 20:11.46 | hhf423__ | its a phone all right, just not mobile yet! |
| 20:12.02 | drath | torpor: nah, please - there's nothing on tv right now |
| 20:13.02 | balrog-kun | if the charging worked then actually the software would be much more mature too cause developers could develop when they wanted |
| 20:13.13 | hhf423__ | I agree |
| 20:13.30 | ajbrun | how come it's only 4 hours per battery charge? |
| 20:13.44 | hhf423__ | because there basically is no power management at the mo |
| 20:13.48 | ajbrun | is that planned to get bigger with powermanagement? |
| 20:13.54 | ajbrun | rgr |
| 20:13.55 | hhf423__ | sure is |
| 20:13.56 | torpor | coz i run it without powermanagement so i have the best performance for my app |
| 20:14.26 | ajbrun | i would have though power management would give better battery and better performance? |
| 20:14.34 | torpor | no |
| 20:14.39 | ajbrun | or maybe not actually |
| 20:14.47 | torpor | powermanagement means running the cpu and other devices at a very low speed |
| 20:14.50 | ajbrun | better performance = faster cpu = lower battery life |
| 20:14.53 | ajbrun | i guess |
| 20:14.58 | StealthCP | I hope power mngmt turns out well, I want to see hours and hours of battery when it's idle :P See I plan to use mine as a phone |
| 20:15.38 | ajbrun | since it has a usb connection, i'll probably just plug it into every pc i use anyway |
| 20:15.39 | drath | hehehe |
| 20:16.08 | ajbrun | i'm assuming there's nothing to stop bluetooth and usb to be used at the same time? |
| 20:16.14 | ajbrun | not hardware limitation anyway? |
| 20:16.16 | balrog-kun | ajbrun: the trick is it runs (well, mine) below 4h when plugged in |
| 20:16.39 | ahven | ajbrun: using it together nw :) |
| 20:16.41 | ahven | now* |
| 20:16.48 | ajbrun | woop |
| 20:17.29 | torpor | i used bluetooth and usb together all the time. |
| 20:18.34 | ahven | interesting |
| 20:18.40 | ahven | root@fic-gta01:~$ ipkg install gllin_1.0\+r350-r0_fic-gta01.ipk |
| 20:18.40 | ahven | ipkg: invalid magic |
| 20:18.49 | ahven | anyone else tried to install that gps driver? |
| 20:19.01 | torpor | i did last week when it was announced |
| 20:19.03 | torpor | worked for me. |
| 20:19.11 | balrog-kun | not enough mana ;-) |
| 20:19.31 | ahven | yup, seems so :) |
| 20:20.39 | ajbrun | how does the gps work? |
| 20:20.44 | ajbrun | is it free to use? |
| 20:20.57 | ahven | binary driver :( |
| 20:21.07 | ajbrun | i'm assuming it is? Needs no gprs connection etc? |
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| 20:23.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1101 has been created by werner(AT)openmoko.org |
| 20:23.02 | cdbot2 | * * ECC error recovery may be broken (GTA01) |
| 20:23.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1101 |
| 20:24.29 | ahven | gps doesn't usually need gprs imho |
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| 20:25.04 | balrog-kun | i think they are unrelated |
| 20:25.14 | ajbrun | good - just thought i might have read something about it using agps which might have? |
| 20:25.23 | torpor | noe |
| 20:25.26 | ajbrun | something about signal strength behind a mountain? |
| 20:25.30 | torpor | agps is a gps tool |
| 20:25.58 | ajbrun | assisted gps, but assisted by what? |
| 20:25.58 | ahven | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-GPS |
| 20:26.17 | mjr | the "assistance" comes in if you want a quick fix without knowing where the sats are already |
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| 20:26.42 | ajbrun | ah ok |
| 20:26.46 | ajbrun | so it's a good thing :) |
| 20:27.07 | tonyg | argh. who here knows about AT+CMGL ? |
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| 20:27.21 | mjr | (or doesn't come in, at least I don't know if the current gllin for gta01 does assist) |
| 20:27.33 | balrog-kun | tonyg: what about it? |
| 20:27.45 | tonyg | I'm getting +CMS ERROR: 321 (invalid memory index) and I can't clear the error state |
| 20:27.56 | tonyg | it started happening after I sent a couple of SMSs with +CMGS |
| 20:28.06 | tonyg | +CMGD=0,3 doesn't help |
| 20:28.20 | tonyg | nor does +CMGD=0,4 |
| 20:28.22 | balrog-kun | tonyg: you get this error on AT+CMGL? |
| 20:28.25 | tonyg | yeah |
| 20:28.28 | tonyg | +CMGL="ALL" |
| 20:28.43 | balrog-kun | weird, does the SIM work ok in other phones? |
| 20:29.04 | tonyg | yep. |
| 20:29.10 | tonyg | and I've had +CMGL="ALL" work fine before |
| 20:29.16 | tonyg | It's something I did when sending... :-/ |
| 20:29.47 | balrog-kun | how about AT+CMGL=4 ? |
| 20:30.01 | tonyg | {{error,302,operation_not_allowed},"+CMS ERROR: 302",[]} |
| 20:30.23 | tonyg | I'm in text mode, not pdu mode btw |
| 20:30.28 | balrog-kun | have you tried the SIM in other modems after that started happening? |
| 20:30.32 | tonyg | not yet. |
| 20:30.39 | balrog-kun | i'd try it |
| 20:30.39 | tonyg | In fact, I haven't powercycled it yet. |
| 20:31.32 | tonyg | powercycling now |
| 20:31.36 | balrog-kun | i once player with the proprietary sms commands (with AT%CMG...) and one of them currupted a couple of messages in my inbox |
| 20:31.40 | balrog-kun | played |
| 20:32.13 | balrog-kun | single characters |
| 20:32.22 | tonyg | odd! |
| 20:32.38 | tonyg | if it's fixed after powercycling, I'll see if I can break it again with a similar sequence of operations... |
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| 20:34.05 | tonyg | wow. shit. it's persistent. |
| 20:34.15 | tonyg | rebooting and taking the battery out hasn't helped |
| 20:34.19 | tonyg | very interesting. |
| 20:34.28 | balrog-kun | how old was the SIM? |
| 20:34.54 | tonyg | new. |
| 20:34.57 | tonyg | and cheap :) |
| 20:35.42 | tonyg | and sneding SMSs still works fine |
| 20:35.50 | tonyg | just +CMGL is borked |
| 20:37.04 | rmoravcik | hi all, do you know someone if there is a at command for checking status of barring incoming calls under roaming? |
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| 20:37.21 | rmoravcik | because i can't receive any incoming call with my sim card, dialing, sending/receiving sms is working |
| 20:37.24 | balrog-kun | tonyg: AT+CPMS? should show you the SMS space stats on the SIM |
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| 20:40.06 | ahven | openmoko doesn't recodnize the end of the call? |
| 20:40.35 | tonyg | balrog-kun, {ok,"OK",["+CPMS: \"SM\",0,20,\"SM\",0,20,\"SM\",0,20"]} |
| 20:40.37 | hhf423__ | ahven: the gllin driver (the official version) also works here |
| 20:40.55 | ahven | interesting...having trouble installing in the first place |
| 20:40.57 | hhf423__ | ahven: the end of the call thing is a known issue I believe |
| 20:41.00 | balrog-kun | tonyg: hmm, that would mean no messaged |
| 20:41.02 | ahven | ah |
| 20:41.02 | balrog-kun | messages |
| 20:41.04 | tonyg | yep |
| 20:41.08 | tonyg | which is what I'm expecting |
| 20:41.10 | hhf423__ | ahven: are you sure you downloaded it correctly |
| 20:41.15 | ahven | wget |
| 20:41.19 | Writchie | rmoravcik: AT+CLCK=xx,2 where xx is the facility, AI for Barr All Incoming Calls |
| 20:41.22 | tonyg | I've just used +CMGR and +CMGD to retrieve and delete a fresh arrival |
| 20:41.26 | balrog-kun | ahven: i think it dpeends on how old your snapshot is |
| 20:41.28 | tonyg | and CMGL is still giving me gyp |
| 20:41.30 | hhf423__ | ahven: how big is the package you downloaded |
| 20:41.34 | ahven | balrog-kun: brand new |
| 20:41.46 | ahven | http://downloads.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.11/images/ |
| 20:41.49 | rmoravcik | Writchie: thanks |
| 20:42.01 | hhf423__ | ahven: how big is the gllin package you downloaded |
| 20:42.06 | balrog-kun | ahven: and you mean the ending of an already established call by the peer? |
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| 20:42.20 | balrog-kun | ahven: or an unanswered call? |
| 20:42.42 | ahven | balrog-kun: if the other side hangs up first, the call doesn't end on the Neo side, the counter keeps on ticking |
| 20:43.15 | balrog-kun | hmm that was supposed to be fixed |
| 20:43.56 | ahven | balrog-kun: yup, wrong size |
| 20:44.10 | ahven | strange behaviour from wget |
| 20:44.42 | ahven | blah..html? :P |
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| 20:53.24 | hhf423__ | ahven: you can not use wget, you need to use html by browser so that you have to click on the eula |
| 20:56.28 | tonyg | Oh. My. God. I am a fool :-) |
| 20:56.40 | tonyg | Basically, 321 invalid_memory_index means "there aren't any messages" :-) |
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| 20:56.53 | ajbrun | lol |
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| 20:57.10 | guaqua | tonyg: seeing is believing :) |
| 20:57.24 | tonyg | How I got here: 1. +CNMI=0,0,0,0,0. 2. Send myself an SMS. 3. +CMGL="ALL". 4. Actual correct result! 5. +CMGD to delete what arrived. 6. +CMGL="ALL" --> 321 invalid memory index |
| 20:57.45 | tonyg | one more time, for luck |
| 20:58.26 | ahven | gps worked like it should |
| 20:58.46 | tonyg | hyup. ok, I'm happy again :) |
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| 21:03.01 | matsimoto | when I enter the gps coords into google or osm my displayed position is about 90km to far in the south. How can this be |
| 21:03.04 | matsimoto | ? |
| 21:03.44 | balrog-kun | even google can be wrong! :p |
| 21:04.07 | ajbrun | you sure the lat/long is the right way round? |
| 21:04.08 | matsimoto | ok but google an osm are shows the same position |
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| 21:04.14 | ajbrun | try swapping it |
| 21:05.02 | matsimoto | already tried, but only 90Km to far in the south, the longitude seems to be ok |
| 21:05.09 | tonyg | matsimoto, are you near the equator? |
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| 21:05.25 | matsimoto | no, berlin germany |
| 21:05.34 | tonyg | :) well that rules *that* possibility out |
| 21:06.08 | matsimoto | I get this from nmeNP: $GPGGA,210544.00,5227.577827,N,01318.824654,E,1,04,3.0,086.0,M,0.201002,M,0.0180515,*4C |
| 21:06.33 | guaqua | matsimoto: are the coordinates in degrees/minutes/seconds or as decimals? |
| 21:06.40 | matsimoto | I think 52.27,13.18 should be ok ... am I wrong? |
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| 21:07.04 | matsimoto | guaqua: as you see in the GGA Record |
| 21:07.58 | guaqua | i don't know the format of the GGA record |
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| 21:08.34 | matsimoto | guaqua: take a look at http://www.gpsinformation.org/dale/nmea.htm#GGA if you like |
| 21:09.08 | balrog-kun | iirc the encoding is not so simple |
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| 21:09.27 | guaqua | seems like degrees and then minutes have decimals |
| 21:09.40 | matsimoto | Iam new to navigation it is for sure my fault. |
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| 21:10.09 | ahven | on the main screen, where can I configure the actions for turning on/off the bluetooth etc? |
| 21:13.08 | ahven | or is it all compiled? |
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| 21:30.14 | ahven | seems like it |
| 21:31.08 | abraxa_ | ahven: Yeah, hardcoded in neod |
| 21:32.11 | ahven | can I (ab)use something in order to monitor the state of the bluetooth, without recompiling? |
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| 21:33.26 | abraxa_ | What exactly do you mean by "monitor"? |
| 21:33.26 | tonyg | ahven, would cat /sys/class/i2c-dev/i2c-0/device/0-0008/gta01-pm-bt.0/power_on do what you need? |
| 21:34.00 | CM | ahven: Or use hcitool to scan and such |
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| 21:34.46 | ahven | I would like it to (try) to connect to my computer using "pand", when the bluetooth is turned on |
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| 21:35.27 | abraxa_ | Well, OM is a Debian derivative so I'm sure you can use the ifup mechanism somehow |
| 21:36.03 | ahven | well, the BT is turned on, no new interfaces aren't created at first |
| 21:36.16 | ahven | the command I want to execute, will do that :) |
| 21:36.23 | abraxa_ | Oh, right. I forgot |
| 21:36.53 | batti112 | does anyone know if the neo supports an active external gps antenna? |
| 21:37.06 | ahven | there is a connector for it :) |
| 21:37.46 | batti112 | bit does it support active antennas? I suggest, that they need a fixed voltage on the connector |
| 21:38.17 | ahven | Further above, the small golden connector (type MMCX) is for enhancing GPS reception with an optional external antenna (not included). |
| 21:38.22 | ahven | reads in the wiki |
| 21:38.36 | batti112 | I read these lines |
| 21:38.58 | ahven | seems that it doesn't have the power to support active antennas |
| 21:39.23 | ahven | the miniusb provides enough for the device itself |
| 21:39.36 | batti112 | ok, thats the information I looked for, thanks |
| 21:39.37 | ahven | but not 100% sure :) |
| 21:40.11 | batti112 | ;) we both have the same opinion |
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| 21:40.36 | abraxa_ | ahven: If you can code you could either make a custom neod for yourself or write a client that uses inotify to watch the sysfs entry used to switch BT power (given that inotify works with sysfs, which I do not know) |
| 21:41.22 | ahven | yup, the same conclusion |
| 21:41.40 | ahven | i can select in the Terminal |
| 21:41.47 | ahven | how does the pasting work? :) |
| 21:41.57 | tonyg | ahven, good question ;) |
| 21:42.07 | tonyg | afaict, there isn't any way of pasting |
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| 21:43.56 | Cyorxamp | Hey folks, just checking in... nice to see the GTA02 is now in testing |
| 21:44.53 | Cyorxamp | Just a couple quick questions, a) since the GTA02 has a powered USB port could you use one of those USB 3G modems with it? and b) Might there be a GTA03 that has 3G/CDMA in the future? |
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| 21:52.41 | pavelm | Hello, everyone. |
| 21:53.07 | ahven | /bin/pand -Q10 -c 00:02:72:CC:B0:D5 << when it is in a scriptfile, it doesn't work |
| 21:53.16 | ahven | but if I execute it on the command line, everything works |
| 21:53.31 | pavelm | ahven: add some sleeps around? |
| 21:53.41 | ahven | last line :) |
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| 21:54.08 | ahven | #!/bin/sh |
| 21:54.09 | ahven | echo "1" > /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-bt.0/power_on |
| 21:54.09 | ahven | /bin/pand -Q10 -c 00:02:72:CC:B0:D5 |
| 21:54.12 | ahven | the whole file |
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| 21:54.27 | ahven | powering up the bt device succeeds |
| 21:54.34 | ahven | so echo works |
| 21:54.47 | univac | add sleep 2 after echo |
| 21:54.51 | Siavash | hi all |
| 21:55.19 | Siavash | where can i find resources for porting openmoko to other devices? |
| 21:55.40 | ahven | not the other way around? :) |
| 21:55.58 | univac | no |
| 21:56.04 | pavelm | siavash: what kind of device is your target? |
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| 21:56.54 | Siavash | pavelm: Sony Ericsson Mobile phones |
| 21:57.08 | pavelm | Siavash: symbian ones? |
| 21:57.27 | Siavash | pavelm: yeah, I have a M600i |
| 21:59.08 | ahven | univac: thanks, it worked now |
| 21:59.30 | abraxa_ | Cyorxamp: If you can get a driver for an external USB modem then sure, you could use it |
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| 22:00.08 | pavelm | siavash: do you have kernel booting? |
| 22:00.15 | Cyorxamp | abraxa_: well I think its probably one thats already known to the linux kernel anyway |
| 22:00.30 | Cyorxamp | How about possible CDMA being built in on a later edition? |
| 22:00.48 | abraxa_ | I would assume it to be on the roadmap |
| 22:01.09 | abraxa_ | Though EDGE/UMTS might have higher priority, dunno |
| 22:01.13 | Siavash | pavelm: what do you mean? |
| 22:01.54 | Siavash | pavelm: a linux kernel for M600i that can boot the device? |
| 22:02.02 | mjr | cdma would pretty much presuppose operator co-operation, not a given |
| 22:02.18 | pavelm | siavash: Yes... do you have such kernel? |
| 22:02.26 | Siavash | pavelm: no |
| 22:03.19 | pavelm | Siavash: you are on wrong channel, then... kernel is first step. |
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| 22:05.28 | Siavash | pavelm: ah, I thought kernel is part of openmoko, tnx |
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| 22:06.44 | m0nt0 | hi everybody! |
| 22:11.15 | pavelm | hi, m0nt0 |
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| 22:14.28 | CM | Good night |
| 22:14.49 | m0nt0 | hi pavelm |
| 22:15.13 | pavelm | good night, cm |
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| 22:17.24 | pavelm | UMTS would certainly be nice. |
| 22:17.37 | ajbrun | what's that? |
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| 22:18.19 | pavelm | ajbrun: up to 1Mbit data link. |
| 22:18.45 | pavelm | ajbrun: 200msec latency. Actually usable, unlike gprs |
| 22:18.56 | ajbrun | sounds funky |
| 22:21.16 | pavelm | sounds "must have" for gta02 :-) |
| 22:21.46 | ajbrun | is that one if it's features? |
| 22:22.19 | pavelm | I don't think so :-( |
| 22:24.01 | pavelm | ...seems like gta02 does not even have EDGE. EDGE is mandatory in czech republic... |
| 22:24.29 | ajbrun | i've not heard of edge before the iphone came about. I don't think we have it in the uk |
| 22:24.46 | Writchie | no EDGE - no DTM - will have to wait for UMTS version which will also solve the packet data + voice at same time problem |
| 22:24.54 | pavelm | ajbrun: In the uk you have 3G aka UMTS... |
| 22:25.06 | ajbrun | ahhh - same thing |
| 22:25.12 | ajbrun | i've heard of 3g |
| 22:26.20 | pavelm | Writchie: Or you can just use "external" UMTS modem -- aka nokia 6151. |
| 22:26.33 | pavelm | Writchie: Also solves many reliability issues :-) |
| 22:26.59 | ajbrun | how prevalant is wi-fi these days? |
| 22:27.02 | Writchie | yes - but then an n800 might be a better option. |
| 22:27.30 | pavelm | Writchie: yes ;-) |
| 22:27.44 | pavelm | ajbrun: in cities wifi is everywhere, but encrypted in most places. |
| 22:28.07 | Writchie | who wan't to log on to wifi just to do an SMS or phone call? |
| 22:29.01 | pavelm | ...actually... with flatrate UMTS... who wants to use wifi? |
| 22:29.03 | pavelm | :-) |
| 22:29.48 | pavelm | ...gta02: bluetooth is connected to usb, again :-(((((((((((((((((((( |
| 22:29.49 | Writchie | the WiFi is useful but for most its a secondary use case. |
| 22:29.52 | pavelm | ...that eats power! |
| 22:30.08 | Writchie | pavelm: you have a GTA02 |
| 22:30.08 | pavelm | ...lots of lots of power. Basically making bt unusable :-( |
| 22:30.20 | ajbrun | be nice if someone could devise a way to make everything ad-hoc or something |
| 22:30.31 | pavelm | writchie: No... I'm just reading http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA02_Hardware . |
| 22:30.45 | Writchie | GTA01 BT is connected to USB |
| 22:30.46 | ajbrun | no one has one yet |
| 22:30.58 | Writchie | so no change there |
| 22:31.00 | ajbrun | how do you mean Writchie? |
| 22:31.00 | pavelm | writchie: but I'd certainly like to play with with gta02. |
| 22:31.16 | pavelm | writchie: Yes, in gta01 BT is on USB, and that's a bad mistake. |
| 22:31.19 | XXLT | gra02 seems to be a rumor |
| 22:31.26 | XorA|gone | GTA02 isnt a rumour |
| 22:31.31 | Writchie | pavelm: why |
| 22:31.33 | ajbrun | BT connected to usb meaning 2 unusable at same time? |
| 22:31.49 | pavelm | writchie: Because cpu can't sleep with USB on. |
| 22:31.53 | ajbrun | i got told they could be used at the same time unless i'm understanding it wrong |
| 22:32.02 | Writchie | sure it can |
| 22:32.13 | Writchie | you have to put the devices into standby |
| 22:32.35 | Writchie | i.e. sleep |
| 22:32.37 | pavelm | will the bluetooth chip support that? |
| 22:33.01 | pavelm | I mean.. on nokia you can have bluetooth enabled all the time ("discoverable") and still have 7 days of standby. |
| 22:33.36 | Writchie | yes - the chip also supports out of band wakeup for cases where the CPU is dead. Unfortunately these are not wired up to be usable in GTA02 because priority was given to WiFi |
| 22:34.05 | pavelm | writchie: ok.. that's slightly bad. |
| 22:34.24 | ajbrun | surley BT > wi-fi? |
| 22:34.44 | pavelm | writchie: It means gta01 nor gta02 is going to be useful as a bluetooth modem. ... but given that both only do GPRS ... it is probably not _so_ big loss. |
| 22:34.47 | Writchie | pavelm: BT doesn't have to be discoverable. You can be in low power waiting just for a page |
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| 22:35.25 | pavelm | writchie: But gta02 is unable to do that, because of missing "bt wakeup <-> cpu" connections, right? |
| 22:35.26 | Writchie | gta01 (with right software) can handle BT sleep issues with no problem (theoretically) |
| 22:36.07 | pavelm | writchie: I was wrong in gta01 case. I did not realize you can wire bt to cpu wakeup pins |
| 22:36.52 | pavelm | writchie: Does "wake up on incoming call" work these days? |
| 22:37.00 | Writchie | pavelm: not to cpu wakeup - but we can sample the wakeup pins every second or so and then wake up the SoC |
| 22:37.07 | SpeedEvil | pavelm: yes |
| 22:37.07 | Writchie | pavelm: not AFAIK. |
| 22:37.19 | SpeedEvil | however, the modem comes back screwed up |
| 22:37.20 | Writchie | i haven't seen support in the driver for this yet |
| 22:37.28 | XorA|gone | doesnt work here :-( |
| 22:37.32 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: it's waking up? |
| 22:37.35 | pavelm | speedevil: Hi! ... and sorry for my disappearance yesterday. My link failed. |
| 22:37.35 | SpeedEvil | so it wakes, but then the modem can't be talked to |
| 22:37.46 | SpeedEvil | I'm using the november snapshot |
| 22:37.48 | Writchie | not suprising since the baud rates are all borked |
| 22:38.07 | Writchie | the driver to repgrogram all of the hardware regs on resume |
| 22:38.16 | Writchie | i don't see any code yet for this. |
| 22:38.17 | pavelm | speedevil: november snapshot == http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.11/ ? |
| 22:38.38 | XorA|gone | Writchie: not another s3c24xx driver that doesnt resume :-( |
| 22:39.09 | SpeedEvil | that looks about right pavelm. |
| 22:39.11 | Writchie | unless it's recently been changed the uart driver has no code for this |
| 22:39.27 | XorA|gone | dma driver is the same, I had to work around in sound driver |
| 22:39.28 | pavelm | thanks, speedEvil |
| 22:39.39 | XorA|gone | must be a general s3c24xx short coming |
| 22:39.40 | SpeedEvil | is there any 'this is the image you are using' file on the phone? |
| 22:39.55 | XorA|gone | /etc/angstrom-version I think |
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| 22:40.56 | SpeedEvil | sigh. my server - to which the phone is connected is brokenish - root@fic-gta01:~$ cat /etc/angstrom-version |
| 22:40.56 | Writchie | hopefull the new kernel maintainer will soon be up to speed and maybe there can be some discussion of what/when |
| 22:40.59 | SpeedEvil | Angstrom Snapshot-20071201 |
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| 22:41.14 | SpeedEvil | Linux fic-gta01 2.6.22.5-moko11 #1 PREEMPT Sat Dec 1 03:40:58 CET 2007 armv4tl unknown |
| 22:41.57 | XorA|gone | Writchie: feel free to send a patch, I can incorporate it in OE and the kernel guys can see it :-) |
| 22:42.17 | Writchie | path to what baseline |
| 22:42.41 | XorA|gone | Writchie: well in OE im only fiddling with 2.6.22, but Ill bet 2.6.24 hasnt changed much |
| 22:42.41 | Writchie | i can't keep track of the 23 stream, the 24 stream, and where we are in 22? |
| 22:42.49 | SpeedEvil | If this works - it'd be nice. though I'm unsure that flow control is set right to stop the modem sending stuff. |
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| 22:43.15 | SpeedEvil | the only better thing would be getting the modem to stop wasting huge amounts of power in active mode. |
| 22:43.23 | XorA|gone | Writchie: feel free to patch later kernels if you like, Im quite happy to backport |
| 22:43.58 | Writchie | what would be the one to patch, 2.6.23.5 moko11? |
| 22:44.17 | XorA|gone | Writchie: well LaF0rge seems to have knocked 2.6.24 into shape in svn |
| 22:44.27 | Writchie | s/6.23/6.22/ |
| 22:44.56 | XorA|gone | Writchie: I guess if you patch 2.6.22 I can apply it immediately, then the kernel guys can forward port |
| 22:45.09 | Writchie | i had big problems with 23 |
| 22:45.32 | Writchie | with PM changes on loading and unloaded drivers due to kernel objects not being freed |
| 22:45.44 | Writchie | and problems with kzalloc not zeroing memory. |
| 22:45.52 | Writchie | all this in mainline. |
| 22:46.19 | Writchie | i've wasted many days chasing phantoms. |
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| 22:49.19 | Writchie | XorA|gone I'll try to do a build this weekend and see where it stands. |
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| 22:50.13 | Writchie | XorA: 23 may have regressions and it might be best to skip it if LaForge is making good progress on 24 |
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| 22:52.35 | ahven | blah, post-down/pre-down doesn't want to co-operate tonight |
| 22:53.12 | XorA|gone | Writchie: well his blog post seemed to indicate he is knocking it into shape for mainline |
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| 22:56.15 | ahven | I wan't to add a "post-down" action for my usb0 device, but since the bnep0 (bluetooth) can't be always disconnected nicely, it goes around the usual scripts |
| 22:56.22 | ahven | where do I have to put it? :) |
| 22:57.37 | ahven | if a network device dissapears from the device list, what react to that kind of action? |
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| 23:01.26 | pavelm | Ok, I guess I should get some sleep. |
| 23:08.31 | paulproteus | roh, Hi, I'm reading http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/One_transistor_too_many . |
| 23:08.58 | paulproteus | roh, So the idea is, you desolder this transistor and just short the pins where it was? |
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| 23:15.15 | pavelm | ...we desoldered the transistor, and thta was it. |
| 23:15.28 | pavelm | ...iirc that's right thing to do... and my moko still seems to work. |
| 23:16.23 | Writchie | it was a pulldown for the reset pin to the GSM so it sounds right to just remove the transistor which will leave the pull up in place. |
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| 23:23.18 | paulproteus | pavelm, Can't I, like, smash it instead or something? |
| 23:23.22 | NineX | on my buildhost compilation openmoko from scratch takes 9h |
| 23:23.26 | NineX | :> |
| 23:23.31 | paulproteus | You probably know this, pavelm, but it's, like, small. |
| 23:24.24 | Writchie | is there anything slower than monotone? |
| 23:25.01 | pavelm | paul: I'd not recommend smashing. Desolder one pin, then move it on the remaining two few times, and it should fall apart. |
| 23:26.18 | mjr | burn it with the handy laser the neo ships with! |
| 23:26.32 | paulproteus | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo1973 ends at separating the PCB, which I have. |
| 23:26.38 | ajbrun | "laser beam" |
| 23:26.53 | paulproteus | But how do I remove (and reassamble...) the shield that covers that area of the PCB where the evil transistor is? |
| 23:27.12 | paulproteus | + how to remove the LCD |
| 23:27.21 | pavelm | paul: You don't need to remove lcd. |
| 23:27.47 | pavelm | paul: just carefully move the shielding away from the pcb. It snaps in place. |
| 23:27.58 | pavelm | (hehe, and be sure to update wiki :-) |
| 23:29.32 | paulproteus | move it away? |
| 23:29.36 | paulproteus | It looks... |
| 23:29.52 | paulproteus | It has these fingers which grab over the edge and seem to be tight. |
| 23:30.18 | paulproteus | Do you know what I'm talking about? |
| 23:30.23 | paulproteus | The edges of the shielding... |
| 23:30.36 | pavelm | Yes. |
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| 23:30.46 | pavelm | You'll see tiny dots keeping it in place, actually. |
| 23:30.55 | paulproteus | Yes exactly. |
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| 23:31.02 | pavelm | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.10 | paulproteus | Okay. |
| 23:31.22 | pavelm | _carefully_. |
| 23:31.37 | pavelm | BTW it has some additional fingers in the "middle" of the shield, too. |
| 23:36.24 | Cyorxamp | I don't see GTA03 in the road map, or infact virtualkly any information in an official sense on GTA03 |
| 23:36.46 | Cyorxamp | If GTA02 is nearing being sold, shouldn't GTA03 be the next concern? |
| 23:36.47 | ajbrun | 03? |
| 23:37.01 | ajbrun | who says there's an 03? |
| 23:37.07 | Cyorxamp | Lots of rumour says :D |
| 23:37.18 | mickeyl | don't hold your breath |
| 23:37.25 | Cyorxamp | That a device in 2008, would have 3G, i.e. CDMA for example |
| 23:37.33 | ajbrun | ah |
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| 23:37.51 | ajbrun | i'll probably still just get gta02 if it's going to be an on going thing like this then |
| 23:38.01 | Cyorxamp | I'm holding out for that, want a device that I can use VoIP constantly |
| 23:38.03 | ajbrun | and sell my model when a new one comes out |
| 23:38.12 | Cyorxamp | i.e. Abandon GSM and just use SIP over 3G data connection |
| 23:38.30 | ajbrun | anyway - bed now |
| 23:38.30 | ajbrun | nn |
| 23:38.33 | Cyorxamp | nn |
| 23:38.47 | mickeyl | honestly, given the delay with 02 I'd be _very_ surprised if 03 shows up in 2008. There's so many undecided HW choices at this point of time. |
| 23:39.35 | Cyorxamp | Well theres no combined 3G based Linux devices out there |
| 23:39.44 | pavelm | Cyor: Forget that. |
| 23:39.59 | pavelm | Cyor: 3G coverage is _far_ from good enough to replace GSM. |
| 23:40.10 | Cyorxamp | pavelm: Not in the UK, it's everywhere |
| 23:40.39 | pavelm | Cyor: Are you sure? Anyway, you'd better not leave UK with such device :-) |
| 23:40.44 | pavelm | Cyor: GSM is still mandatory. |
| 23:40.48 | Cyorxamp | I wouldn't need to lol |
| 23:41.12 | pavelm | paul: I guess I should need some sleep. Did you manage to remove the shield? |
| 23:41.19 | Cyorxamp | I don't mind the GSM - still any SIM card would use GSM and CDMA... but I prefer to use a SIP Provider for calls than a Cellular Network |
| 23:41.28 | Cyorxamp | So always on 3G is a bonus |
| 23:41.51 | paulproteus | pavelm, No, but I'll do this another day. |
| 23:42.00 | paulproteus | Or see if I can find someone else who wants to. (-: |
| 23:42.16 | pavelm | paul: Ok... You'll need some pretty good soldering equipment. |
| 23:42.31 | Cyorxamp | mjr - well in rare places there isn't - theres GSM |
| 23:42.38 | mjr | Cyorxamp, which was the point |
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| 23:42.50 | Cyorxamp | I could sticky a 3G USB modem on the back of it lol - but it would look horrible |
| 23:42.53 | pavelm | ...like I know about 2 places in czech republic where there's _no_ GSM coverage. That is probably hard to do with 3G. |
| 23:43.21 | pavelm | paul: And probably someone to operate that soldering equipment ;-). |
| 23:43.29 | pavelm | paul: Good luck. |
| 23:43.32 | pavelm | All: Good night. |
| 23:43.47 | Cyorxamp | 90% coverage in the UK on 3G |
| 23:43.48 | pavelm | Cyor... Actually, question for you. Do you use 3G actively? |
| 23:44.06 | Cyorxamp | I would do, I would be using instant messaging, e-mail, and VoIP over it all the time |
| 23:44.09 | pavelm | Cyor: 90% is not good enough. Actually 99% is low, too. |
| 23:44.23 | Cyorxamp | You can get tarrifs even where you don't get calls/sms but just 3gb of data |
| 23:44.26 | pavelm | I need someone with 3G to do few pings for me. |
| 23:44.29 | Cyorxamp | 90% is good enough for me |
| 23:44.30 | balrog-kun | good night pavelm |
| 23:44.38 | pavelm | nice to see you balrog. |
| 23:44.57 | balrog-kun | :) |
| 23:44.59 | pavelm | ggood night. |
| 23:45.13 | mjr | lemme guess... 90% coverage of people, not land? |
| 23:45.15 | Cyorxamp | GSM + CDMA =Perfection |
| 23:45.20 | Cyorxamp | No land mass! |
| 23:45.44 | Cyorxamp | You underestimate britain loi, were turning all our copper phone lines off by 2011 you know! |
| 23:45.57 | Cyorxamp | Analogue TV signals are already being turned off |
| 23:46.15 | Cyorxamp | 3G is everywhere, Wi-Max will be everywhere by 2011 |
| 23:46.40 | mjr | analogue TV signals are so start-of-the-year here already |
| 23:46.42 | Cyorxamp | Home broadband like up to 26mbps! |
| 23:47.00 | Cyorxamp | soon 50mbps with VDSL |
| 23:47.20 | Cyorxamp | Need a british PDA :D |
| 23:47.26 | Cyorxamp | maybe it'll keep up lol |
| 23:48.28 | ifeel | what about Wi-Max on Neo??? |
| 23:49.03 | ifeel | I have not heard about it... |
| 23:49.04 | mjr | what about sanity |
| 23:49.20 | mjr | because there ain't gonna be wi-max on gta02, and the rest is up in the air anyways |
| 23:49.28 | Cyorxamp | yet another GSM PDA... thats what I see.. a ncie one don't get me wrong - but its old tech |
| 23:49.51 | Writchie | what about just voice + SMS plus one day standby and then and only then move on from there. |
| 23:50.41 | Cyorxamp | I'm already using a linux PDA and seperate phone - the only thing I want is proper mobile web on the PDA, and GPRS is too slow to bother with (and expensive) |
| 23:50.47 | Writchie | Cyorxamp: you miss the whole point. Once its solid as a phone, it can also be whatever you want it be for many years. |
| 23:50.48 | Cyorxamp | and not good enough for VoIP |
| 23:51.15 | Writchie | Cyorxamp: openmoko is not for you - see maemo |
| 23:51.28 | Cyorxamp | nah maemo isn't good either! |
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| 23:51.39 | Cyorxamp | Nokia Tablets aint either GSM or GPRS! |
| 23:51.43 | Cyorxamp | or CDMA! |
| 23:52.24 | Writchie | just BT to a $100 UMTS phone (Ku250) |
| 23:53.08 | Cyorxamp | is that even Linux? |
| 23:53.13 | Writchie | or a T39m for $20 for that matter |
| 23:53.34 | Cyorxamp | these are phones ffs |
| 23:53.44 | SuN | Well if you insist on Linux you can pair your N800 with a $250 E6, but that's rather pointless. |
| 23:54.05 | Cyorxamp | SuN - I was going to at one point, then I found out about this and put it on hold |
| 23:54.43 | SuN | Well, I was telling earlier... I did that with a Zaurus SL5500, a Zaurus SL-C860 and a Simpad, I'm not putting stuff on hold anymore :) |
| 23:54.50 | SuN | I'll buy stuff that's ready. |
| 23:55.02 | Cyorxamp | I already use a SL-5500 now with a Nokia 6500 |
| 23:55.28 | Cyorxamp | but since its not a contract tarrif I can't use the over-IR modem on the nokia anyway and it'd be crap anyway |
| 23:56.21 | SuN | Isn't the plan the real problem, then? |
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| 23:56.46 | Cyorxamp | nah, I'd go for a proper contract data tarrif if I have the right equipment to do so |
| 23:56.53 | Cyorxamp | I mean the SL-5500 isn't even bluetooth lol |
| 23:57.03 | SuN | Can be with a CF though. |
| 23:57.14 | Cyorxamp | bah, not good enough |
| 23:57.16 | SuN | Would cost like GBP10, I guess. |
| 23:57.30 | SuN | What do you want? A wimax link to the phone in your pocket? |
| 23:57.36 | Cyorxamp | I can't be doing carrying CF cards, WiFi cards, BlueTooth cards, etc.. |
| 23:57.51 | Cyorxamp | I want a Linux PDA with GSM and CDMA |
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| 23:57.56 | SuN | If you have a clever case, the card will never have to leave the soecket. |
| 23:58.36 | Cyorxamp | nah I need to abandon the SL-5500, even the third party distros are leaving it behind now |
| 23:58.49 | Cyorxamp | bugs a plenty, repo's no longer working - etc |
| 23:58.49 | mjr | Cyorxamp, tell that to santa |
| 23:59.11 | SuN | Yeah, I jumped ship on the Z a while ago. |
| 23:59.17 | SuN | While they were still worth a penny :) |
| 23:59.31 | Cyorxamp | lol - gonna turn mine into a door entry system when I jump lol |
| 23:59.42 | SuN | Is that the proper expression for abandoning, though? |
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