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| 01:42.09 | CIA-14 | 03andrew * r3565 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/hw/ (neo1973.c s3c.h s3c2410.c s3c24xx_mmci.c sd.c): |
| 01:42.09 | CIA-14 | Implement SDIO interrupts in S3C24xx MMCI. |
| 01:42.09 | CIA-14 | Move MMC/SD/SDIO slot setup to board code. |
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| 01:54.43 | CIA-14 | 03andrew * r3566 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ (hw/boards.h hw/neo1973.c openmoko/env vl.c): High time we rename -M neo to -M gta01 and fix the descriptions. External scripts need updating accordingly. |
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| 02:05.15 | balrog-kun | ^^^^ (!) |
| 02:06.49 | bobesponja | is GTA2 still coming this december? |
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| 02:07.36 | unknown_lamer | bobesponja: 2067 |
| 02:07.37 | balrog-kun | bobesponja: noly about 500 units not for sale afaik |
| 02:08.02 | balrog-kun | and further slips possible, but they may have starting the production already, i'm not sure |
| 02:08.42 | bobesponja | those 500 are final product or still test products? |
| 02:09.33 | balrog-kun | depends on how they will be evaluted by the developers who get to use them i guess |
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| 02:10.32 | balrog-kun | although the processor in the final gta02 will be slightly updated from the one that's in these 500, from what i hear |
| 02:10.58 | balrog-kun | bobesponja: and it's discutible if gta02 can be called a final product too |
| 02:11.09 | bobesponja | ok thanks for the info |
| 02:11.18 | bobesponja | do you work for FIC? |
| 02:11.29 | balrog-kun | not directly |
| 02:11.39 | bobesponja | indirectly? |
| 02:11.41 | bobesponja | :) |
| 02:11.59 | balrog-kun | indirectly yes, i get some requests and some money from FIC :) |
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| 02:17.17 | UbuNero | salv |
| 02:17.45 | UbuNero | cerco un chan x Os mobile alternativi |
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| 05:42.56 | CM | http://xkcd.com/353/ |
| 05:44.46 | Mononoke | =] |
| 05:46.12 | moko-bunny | hehehe...I had to install like eleventy bazillion python packages to get pyroute up, but it's cool |
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| 06:28.15 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3568 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/: create 2.6.24 directory |
| 06:29.47 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3569 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/: bring forward 2.6.23 patchset into 2.6.24 |
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| 06:46.45 | mbuf | other than "ipkg install" is there any other way we can install an .ipk package? still having problem with remote ipkg package installation (ssh root@neo ipkg install foo) |
| 06:47.33 | mbuf | remote ipkg install segfaults |
| 06:48.53 | xzcvczx | mbuf: why not just use scp to transfer it to the neo then install it |
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| 06:50.25 | mbuf | xzcvczx, i can scp the .ipk; i am trying to automate it through Anjuta: http://free-opensource.qvantel.net/mediawiki/index.php/Preity_Plugin_makefile_approach |
| 06:51.04 | mbuf | xzcvczx, *Anjuta IDE; or i will need to ask the user to ssh into the phone and install it manually |
| 06:52.04 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3570 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (7 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 06:52.04 | CIA-14 | * remove patches that are in 2.6.24-rc4 mainline: |
| 06:52.04 | CIA-14 | D s3c2410-nand-include-fix.patch |
| 06:52.04 | CIA-14 | D asoc-kconfig-fix.patch |
| 06:52.04 | CIA-14 | D asoc-platform-hw_init-pcm_emulation-fix.patch |
| 06:52.04 | CIA-14 | D arm-atag-kexec.patch |
| 06:52.06 | CIA-14 | D fix-s3c2410fb-register-access.patch |
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| 06:54.49 | ewon | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=http:%2F%2Fwww.10xshot.com%2Ftest.kml&ie=UTF8&ll=34.020759,-118.451961&spn=0.007221,0.013046&t=h&z=16&om=1 |
| 06:55.06 | ewon | my walk to work, using gpsbabel to transform the raw logged nmea from my gps to kml |
| 06:55.13 | ewon | something like this in realtime should be doable with the neo :) |
| 06:55.19 | ewon | s/work/lunch/ |
| 06:57.30 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3571 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (6 files): |
| 06:57.30 | CIA-14 | merge patches with 2.6.24-rc4 mainline, mostly kconfig and other minor |
| 06:57.30 | CIA-14 | syntactical patch hunk changes |
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| 07:35.37 | flexd_ | ewon: didnt you say walk to work? |
| 07:35.49 | flexd_ | Max Speed 94.0 mph ? :P |
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| 07:38.10 | CM | flexd_: ewon is faster than you think ;) |
| 07:38.35 | ewon | I'm uber-ewan \o/ |
| 07:39.07 | mbuf | has anyone tested the new alpha-toolchain? "om-conf openmoko-sample2" exits with configure error - "C compiler cannot create executables" |
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| 07:49.39 | no_mind | ping |
| 07:49.46 | no_mind | someone tel me the venue for foss.in |
| 07:49.53 | no_mind | and how to reach the venue |
| 07:50.34 | LaF0rge | no_mind: it's the J.N.TATA auditorium of the IISC (indian institute of science) |
| 07:51.17 | no_mind | LaF0rge, hey |
| 07:51.21 | no_mind | LaF0rge, good to see you |
| 07:51.37 | no_mind | LaF0rge, i meant tell me the way to reach there, i am already on bangalore |
| 07:51.40 | Batalyx | of my ongoing quest of compiling openmoko-devel-image: I now have a new computer, but the compilation dies as it did before. Computer stops to respond, and after a while, it's in console (drops X-windowing) and complains about virtual memory. |
| 07:52.08 | Batalyx | next stop is to replace fedupra core with some decent linux distro :) (sorry fedora fans) |
| 07:52.37 | CM | Batalyx: The only problems I've had is that packages fail to build |
| 07:52.59 | CM | Lately psplash have been broken, but before that thing has worked well for months |
| 07:53.11 | LaF0rge | no_mind: I don't really know, but riksha drivers usually know it under the name of 'tata institute' |
| 07:55.58 | LaF0rge | no_mind: where are you now? |
| 07:56.31 | no_mind | I am at Kundanhalli in bangalore |
| 07:56.45 | no_mind | LaF0rge, got the driving directions |
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| 07:57.27 | LaF0rge | hi jouston |
| 07:57.41 | LaF0rge | no_mind: ok, i have somebody local next to me now in case you have further questions |
| 07:57.59 | jouston | LaF0rge: Hi, how's going? |
| 07:58.18 | LaF0rge | jouston: I'm fine, I wish I'd felt the same about openmook :/ |
| 08:00.17 | Batalyx | CM: the funny thing is, that I've managed to compile OM on the old computer. |
| 08:00.37 | CM | Batalyx: Can it be some threading issue with bitbake then? |
| 08:00.39 | jouston | LaF0rge: Hope you doing well. |
| 08:00.42 | Batalyx | Then from some version afterwards, it just has not compiled. |
| 08:00.59 | NineX | i just builded devel image using MokoMakefile |
| 08:01.02 | NineX | but |
| 08:01.05 | Batalyx | CM: I'll try, but could you help me suggestin what to look? |
| 08:01.19 | NineX | neo dont ask me for pin |
| 08:01.24 | CM | Batalyx: I'm trying to remember who else had that problem |
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| 08:01.42 | CM | NineX: Did you see that "workaround" that was posted to the devel mailinglist? |
| 08:01.50 | NineX | no |
| 08:01.58 | CM | Wait a sec |
| 08:02.02 | NineX | CM: do you have link? |
| 08:02.03 | NineX | ok |
| 08:03.24 | CM | NineX: Follow that thread: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-December/001741.html |
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| 08:04.30 | CM | Hmm.. But that one was that the pin wasn't accepted.. Later in it thomas says the bug has been fixed.. |
| 08:05.17 | NineX | CM: yes bu tmy phone don't display pin dialog |
| 08:05.55 | CM | NineX: Can you give the pin from the commandline using the gsmd-tool thing? |
| 08:06.05 | NineX | yes |
| 08:06.30 | NineX | but only using at commands |
| 08:06.31 | CM | Then I guess there's a bug to be filed for the dialer |
| 08:06.43 | NineX | AT+CPIN="4661" |
| 08:06.48 | CM | For that specific version and all that |
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| 08:11.49 | CM | Batalyx: What program does your build fail on btw? |
| 08:12.28 | Batalyx | if i'd know how to find that out, I'd tell you :( |
| 08:12.29 | CM | Batalyx: Also, have you tried the tips in the wiki? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#Tips |
| 08:12.47 | CM | But what happens? The whole computer locks? |
| 08:13.26 | CM | Sounds like some kind of memory problem or so maybe. Tried running memtest on it? |
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| 08:13.49 | Batalyx | Yes with tips and without. The computer just comes unresponsive, that's real sluggish. Then it kills X, then the console is full of virtual memory complains. |
| 08:14.11 | CM | ~blame feodora |
| 08:14.12 | apt | ACTION blames feodora (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 08:14.18 | Batalyx | CM: Yes, memtest got through. This is a new computer, and the problem is the same. |
| 08:14.26 | Batalyx | I do blame fedora :) |
| 08:14.30 | CM | :D |
| 08:14.37 | CIA-14 | 03tick * r3572 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (5 files in 2 dirs): gsmd: add "RING" timeout scheme, for those modem not have %CPI (like) supports (Andrzej Zaborowski) |
| 08:15.46 | Batalyx | I'm just a bit surprised there's no one else developing with fedora. Maybe they use a more recent version. This is FC6 |
| 08:19.06 | XorA | Batalyx: 99% of time memtest will show perfect results, but RAM is bad |
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| 08:19.25 | XorA | Basheri: and I know a guy uses FC and has no problems |
| 08:19.37 | XorA | Batalyx: ^^ was for you |
| 08:21.56 | CoreDump | wasn't there this 10kb .c file that required like 2GB of RAM to compile? Maybe you are hitting a similar bomb heh |
| 08:22.30 | Batalyx | XorA: we did keep it running for days :) |
| 08:23.05 | Batalyx | and the computer is now a different one, but I'm not sure if the memory is. I would think so. |
| 08:24.37 | Batalyx | And both the computers have four GB of memory. Though if 10k source needs 2GB, I wouldn't be surprised if it needed 4GB too :) |
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| 08:29.25 | buz | XorA: i've seen memtest catch broken memory twice |
| 08:29.41 | buz | the next crash when it didnt find anything turned out to be a faulty psu |
| 08:30.52 | XorA | buz: a long compile like OE catches far more RAM problems than memtest :-) |
| 08:31.09 | buz | yeah i used to use freebsd make world for system burn in |
| 08:31.14 | XorA | buz: especially when you go made with -j 4 etc |
| 08:31.57 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1072 has been created by willie_chen(AT)openmoko.com |
| 08:31.59 | cdbot2 | * * Add NOR flash test and integtation |
| 08:32.01 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1072 |
| 08:32.10 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1073 has been created by renatox(AT)gmail.com |
| 08:32.11 | cdbot2 | * * Bug when add a widget using the gtk container function |
| 08:32.13 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1073 |
| 08:32.21 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1074 has been created by ian(AT)darwinsys.com |
| 08:32.23 | cdbot2 | * * Change Root Password |
| 08:32.25 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1074 |
| 08:32.31 | buz | cdbot2 seems to have some lag :P |
| 08:32.32 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1075 has been created by sean_chiang(AT)openmoko.com |
| 08:32.34 | cdbot2 | * * libgsmd-tool will crash under atcmd mode |
| 08:32.36 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1075 |
| 08:32.44 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1076 has been created by sean_chiang(AT)openmoko.com |
| 08:32.45 | CoreDump | I had to restart it |
| 08:32.46 | cdbot2 | * * extrsp_parse() get confused when the last filed of input is number |
| 08:32.48 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1076 |
| 08:32.56 | cdbot2 | * * Flood control triggered, clearing queue... |
| 08:33.00 | cdbot2 | * * [160] pending messages removed. |
| 08:33.42 | CM | memtest do find stuff, but you have to let it run for a long time, over night at least |
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| 08:35.22 | CoreDump | anyone compiling with a quadcore? |
| 08:35.40 | CoreDump | how many threads do you use? -j6? |
| 08:35.49 | CM | Not me, but I think there are |
| 08:35.55 | Batalyx | I |
| 08:36.12 | CM | Batalyx: Naaa, you fail to compile with a quad core ;) |
| 08:36.13 | Batalyx | I've tried with "-j1" to "-j6", with same results. |
| 08:36.33 | CoreDump | I seriously doubt that |
| 08:36.53 | Batalyx | I'd like to have a quad core ;) |
| 08:36.55 | CoreDump | even -j3 on a quadcore made a huge difference when I tried it |
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| 08:36.56 | CM | CoreDump: It's because his comp locks up |
| 08:37.03 | CoreDump | CM: oh, lol |
| 08:37.45 | cjb_ie | CM: are you sure it doesn't lock up faster with different -j ? :) |
| 08:37.57 | Batalyx | CoreDump: congrats :) |
| 08:38.07 | CoreDump | thanks =) |
| 08:38.37 | CoreDump | I came to notice that compiling the linux kernel in a loop is a good test for system stability |
| 08:38.46 | CoreDump | (ie: when overclocking) |
| 08:38.50 | Batalyx | Well, but it's a nice benchmark: how fast to compile OM from scratch. |
| 08:39.15 | CM | I think roh said it took around 4.5h on his comp |
| 08:39.45 | CM | When it takes around 12 on mine (amd64 3000+ 1gb ram) |
| 08:39.47 | Batalyx | I think the old computer managed to do somthing quite similar, way back in October when it still did compile... |
| 08:39.57 | Batalyx | ...or 6h... |
| 08:40.15 | CoreDump | takes forever on my laptop |
| 08:40.31 | CoreDump | yay for over-night build jobs ;) |
| 08:41.37 | Batalyx | I did think of trying to compile OM on my 1,2G iBook. Then happily I managed to read the docs first :) |
| 08:43.39 | Batalyx | Let's see, I'll try the compilation again to see, where it hangs up. So brb... |
| 08:45.19 | Batalyx | starts with pixman... (task 497 of 5065) |
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| 08:48.12 | Batalyx | hey, why didn't i think it before! if it just interrupts the compilation, it continues from the point where it stopped! am I dumb or what... so now just after a few big crashes, it should have built the whoole...(keyboard starrts to respond sluggishly).. thing... |
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| 08:51.42 | CoreDump | lol |
| 08:52.03 | Batalyx | ok, it started to compile pixman (task 497 of 5065) and is now unresponsive |
| 08:52.30 | Batalyx | oh, the msg did come through ... :) |
| 08:53.10 | torpor | yo |
| 08:53.17 | Batalyx | the cpu usage is not on top, but memory usage is. |
| 08:53.36 | torpor | woot! gcc onboard == great fun! |
| 08:57.12 | CM | torpor: Hehe, cool |
| 08:57.21 | torpor | doh! no as |
| 08:57.21 | CoreDump | ugh, TPB is down |
| 08:57.24 | torpor | where is as! |
| 08:57.30 | torpor | here as, here as |
| 08:58.54 | Batalyx | now the cpu's fully loaded too |
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| 09:00.40 | Batalyx | I think I'll just nag the support guys until they allow me to install some other distro to this computer... |
| 09:01.13 | CoreDump | Batalyx: or try a debian chroot |
| 09:02.06 | Batalyx | good idea |
| 09:02.36 | torpor | or use vmware/parallels |
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| 09:11.26 | CM | ~lart broken bitbaker recipies in openmoko for still being around |
| 09:11.26 | apt | puts broken bitbaker recipies in openmoko through a wood chipper for still being around |
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| 09:15.45 | torpor | oh man |
| 09:15.54 | torpor | i just compiled a gtk app on the neo! :) |
| 09:15.56 | torpor | w00t! |
| 09:16.38 | ewon | *on* the neo? |
| 09:16.42 | ewon | how long did that take? |
| 09:17.47 | borg_ | cool |
| 09:18.08 | torpor | about 10 seconds! |
| 09:18.21 | borg_ | so i guess it was a hello world app? ;) |
| 09:19.36 | Xx13 | selfhosted? ;) |
| 09:19.59 | torpor | all onboard the neo! |
| 09:20.12 | torpor | and no, its a gtk app that puts up a screen full of buttons which say hello. ;) |
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| 09:20.19 | borg_ | :P |
| 09:20.26 | mbuf | torpor, it is still only hello |
| 09:20.31 | borg_ | that counts as a hello world application |
| 09:20.42 | Xx13 | time to start porting gentoo |
| 09:20.45 | torpor | now i gotta fix the .pc files so i can use pkg-config. |
| 09:21.04 | torpor | mbuf: now now, its doing a full-blown gtk GUI .. thats not just hello world! |
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| 09:22.23 | mbuf | imagine a bot-like application on the Neo, that handles incoming calls and only says hello to the caller :) |
| 09:22.34 | torpor | yeah i wanna do that |
| 09:22.45 | torpor | actually i've considered doing a full-blown IVR system using just python. |
| 09:23.03 | cjb_ie | mbuf: hook it in with eliza |
| 09:23.56 | mbuf | cjb_ie, you wouldn't need those 1-800 numbers anymore |
| 09:23.56 | torpor | right |
| 09:24.10 | mbuf | cjb_ie, rather people behind those numbers |
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| 09:26.10 | NineX|moko | ave |
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| 09:27.44 | torpor | okay, this time a much more complicated application .. |
| 09:28.04 | borg_ | ;) |
| 09:32.34 | buz | voice quality of an eliza-to-speech system may even be better than many call center agents |
| 09:32.51 | NineX|moko | hmm oom killer killing gui:s |
| 09:32.57 | torpor | http://rafb.net/p/BgRx2B44.html |
| 09:33.22 | torpor | pretty sweet to be doing onboard compiling .. |
| 09:33.27 | borg_ | :) |
| 09:33.30 | NineX|moko | torpor: do you have swap on your neo? |
| 09:33.35 | torpor | nope |
| 09:34.34 | mbuf | has anyone here used the new alpha-toolchain to build applications? |
| 09:35.21 | cosmin | is there a prebuilt 32bit toolchain? |
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| 09:35.53 | Xx13 | maybe this can be used to warn the caller that all converations are logged before playing the ringtone |
| 09:36.10 | mbuf | cosmin, AFAIK no, the alpha one was built was for x86_64 |
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| 09:57.01 | torpor | woot! |
| 09:57.20 | torpor | i can chuck away my linux dev image, yay! |
| 09:57.23 | torpor | just kidding |
| 09:59.02 | torpor | its easy! |
| 09:59.08 | torpor | you do need to be root-on-sd though |
| 10:00.12 | Xx13 | mokomake will probably take a year to compile ;) |
| 10:00.45 | torpor | Xx13: i think it'd take about a week. but since i have a few neo's around, i'd set up distcc first of course .. ;) |
| 10:01.16 | torpor | i wonder how many neo's i'd have to add before the compile goes quicker than my 2.5gz coreduo machine .. |
| 10:01.37 | torpor | and since there's no cross-compiling necessary, actually a huge chunk of the mokomakefile would be redundant. |
| 10:02.06 | Xx13 | then the bottle neck will be the usb-ether bandwidth, and even with distcc you have to link locally, and that takes the most memory |
| 10:02.33 | torpor | hmm.. usb-ether bandwidth .. its not so bad, i'm quite sure. |
| 10:02.41 | Xx13 | true |
| 10:03.38 | Xx13 | i'll still run outta ram when linking xorg and the like ;) |
| 10:04.08 | CM | Is there any simpile fix to the psplash build error? |
| 10:04.17 | torpor | well then i'd have a swap partition set up of course |
| 10:04.38 | ScaredyCat | CM: yeah, kick XorA in the head a few times |
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| 10:05.04 | CM | ScaredyCat: I've tried both the standard and the bleeding edge monotone, and they're both still broken |
| 10:05.16 | ScaredyCat | I know... I have the same issue... |
| 10:05.23 | Xx13 | swapping to flash takes forever i'm sure |
| 10:05.36 | wmute | Hi guys |
| 10:05.49 | XorA | CM: remove the _angstrom patch from pspash recipe |
| 10:05.57 | ScaredyCat | whoever commited the update should either fix it or roll back |
| 10:05.59 | CM | XorA: Ok, danke |
| 10:06.10 | XorA | openmoko also uses angstrom overrides |
| 10:06.27 | XorA | I dont understand psplash to know what I should do to merge the two patches |
| 10:06.54 | CM | XorA: Anything that compiles and runs would be ok.. |
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| 10:07.04 | CM | Fixing it correctly could be done later :) |
| 10:08.13 | wmute | I have maybe silly question.. I have finished compiling of openmoko with MakeFile for qemu but what next? How to start it? |
| 10:09.15 | CM | wmute: make run-qemu maybe? |
| 10:09.40 | CM | Did you do a make qemu-local firsty? |
| 10:09.44 | CM | first? |
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| 10:10.02 | wmute | CM: thanks. Im not able to find it in wikipedia ... |
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| 10:10.33 | CM | wmute: I'm using the tab completion of zsh to just see what the targets are :) |
| 10:10.42 | Pengu1n | Is there any moko-finger-scroll guys here ? |
| 10:11.10 | Pengu1n | how can I avoid trigger 'activate' event in a trieeview in a finger-scroll ? |
| 10:11.27 | wmute | CM: Thanks. make run-qemu helped to me. |
| 10:11.32 | CM | :) |
| 10:11.37 | Pengu1n | before release my finger ? |
| 10:11.39 | torpor | ScaredyCat: fixing this should be the job of the release manager in charge of this .. |
| 10:12.06 | CM | Pengu1n: Maybe the applications code has some clues? |
| 10:12.14 | ScaredyCat | torpor: agreed, however it has been a problem for a few days already... |
| 10:12.19 | torpor | wmute: are you wntrmute? |
| 10:12.31 | ScaredyCat | wintermute! |
| 10:12.32 | ScaredyCat | ?# |
| 10:13.02 | torpor | ScaredyCat: i really think we need to - as a community - complain out loud when this new standard build server is busted. thats the whole point of having this server setup in the first place: to give us coders a stable reference, that doesn't have borked in-development stuff in the tree. |
| 10:13.55 | CM | ~rope ScaredyCat |
| 10:14.06 | CM | Pff.. apt you suck |
| 10:14.11 | torpor | ~lart john lee! |
| 10:14.11 | apt | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps john lee! |
| 10:14.19 | torpor | ;) |
| 10:14.29 | ScaredyCat | torpor: yes, but it is the first few days of cange over - and yes I agree that the version put in the build server should have been a working one |
| 10:14.41 | torpor | it just shouldn't be something we put up with. ever. |
| 10:15.01 | torpor | its our responsibility to make sure this build setup works, and if it doesn't work, we gotta make noise so that there's pressure to avoid the condition in the future. |
| 10:16.28 | ScaredyCat | well, actually - it's the release managers responsibility - that's why he's there... |
| 10:16.32 | CM | But what system are the official developers using to build a complete rootfs? The buildhost? If buildhost.om.org fails, some bug with big red letters should be set. |
| 10:17.30 | CoreDump | the developers likely use their own machines and trees |
| 10:17.30 | XorA | the repo served by monotone.openmoko.org shouldnt be broken at the moment |
| 10:17.43 | ScaredyCat | well, I'm nit entirely convinced they test that their code builds CM |
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| 10:28.14 | torpor | i think buildhost is being maintained pretty poorly, but its fresh to the project .. i give it a little time. i've complained bitterly about people breaking the tree, and thats why we've got this new build system in the first place. lets hope its just a startup wrinkle. |
| 10:29.16 | CM | I'll be happy to keep building "bleeding edge" to see what works and not, just like the unstable gentoo trees |
| 10:29.52 | CM | But as you said, hopefully the official tree will be more stable :) |
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| 10:33.21 | Hicks | Hello everybody |
| 10:33.35 | CM | Hi there :) |
| 10:33.50 | Hicks | i have wrote a C++ code to make me able to plot any point from the GPS to a mercator map |
| 10:33.52 | Hicks | so |
| 10:34.07 | Hicks | is there any place i can put it on the wiki so people can get it and eventually correct it? |
| 10:34.35 | torpor | wow thats cool hicks! |
| 10:34.50 | torpor | maybe you should work out how to check it in to the developers/ tree of openmoko .. |
| 10:34.51 | Hicks | (Actually the code is not using the GPS of the neo, we have to put manually long / lat in float vars to make it work) |
| 10:35.22 | Hicks | no i dont want to put it in the tree, because sorry i dont have much time. i just want to put it somewhere everybody can have it. |
| 10:35.39 | Hicks | it is C compliant, no object involved. |
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| 10:35.58 | Hicks | Hicks: has a very bad english on the morning =/ |
| 10:36.06 | torpor | then just make a new doc on the wiki and let the openmoko-developers list know about it then .. |
| 10:36.15 | Hicks | okay |
| 10:36.25 | Hicks | new doc on the wiki so i create a new page? =/ |
| 10:37.00 | torpor | yup |
| 10:37.03 | Hicks | okay |
| 10:37.10 | Hicks | bye guys see you later |
| 10:37.22 | CM | Hicks: what about projects.openmoko.org? |
| 10:37.37 | Hicks | wait let me have a look at this |
| 10:37.45 | ScaredyCat | NOTE: package openmoko-devel-image-1.0-r0: task do_rootfs: completed |
| 10:37.49 | ScaredyCat | about cocking time! |
| 10:38.04 | CM | ScaredyCat: ERROR: '/home/moko/openembedded/packages/meta/external-toolchain.bb' failed |
| 10:38.10 | Hicks | hum hum the problem is that my code will be put in a non-opensource project, and i'm not sure we can put our project here. |
| 10:38.24 | ScaredyCat | gneeh! |
| 10:38.27 | Hicks | lol |
| 10:38.46 | CM | Hicks: Hmm.. What about dual licenses? It's your code.. |
| 10:39.00 | Hicks | dual licenses? It doesn't apply to our project :D |
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| 10:39.54 | Hicks | Anyway i will rewrite the code to object for our project, so it will not be the same code. |
| 10:41.11 | Hicks | hmm i'm not sure if putting it on the wiki is a good idea... if the code is wrong, people will have errors =/ |
| 10:41.16 | Hicks | Any other alternative? |
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| 10:51.04 | Hicks | is there anyone who can help me with the wiki please? |
| 10:51.18 | Hicks | i have put my stuff here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Convert_LongLat_To_Mercator but i dont know how to arrange the layout lol |
| 10:51.50 | mbuf | Hicks, arrange the layout? |
| 10:51.55 | Hicks | hmm yes |
| 10:52.05 | Hicks | it has applied a CSS to what i type =/ |
| 10:52.18 | Hicks | i don't know wiky syntax so i dont know how to arrange it =/ |
| 10:52.35 | mbuf | Hicks, you can use <pre></pre> between code, to display as is |
| 10:52.39 | Hicks | ok |
| 10:53.24 | Hicks | oh yes it looks much better. |
| 10:53.38 | Hicks | So i can use html tags in the wiki, it has CSS for them? |
| 10:54.17 | mbuf | Hicks, avoid tags as much as you can; try to use wiki syntax |
| 10:54.48 | mbuf | Hicks, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page |
| 10:54.56 | Hicks | So is <pre /> a wiki tag lol |
| 10:55.05 | Hicks | ooh fine |
| 10:55.10 | Hicks | wiki markup explaiend |
| 10:55.12 | Hicks | thanks |
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| 10:59.45 | thos | ** (phone-kit:9790): DEBUG: Received incoming SMS |
| 10:59.45 | thos | ** (phone-kit:9790): DEBUG: Message stored on SIM, reading... |
| 10:59.51 | thos | I have a new SMS :-) |
| 10:59.59 | Hicks | haha this is fun |
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| 11:03.15 | xcasex | thos: ping |
| 11:03.17 | Hicks | well i think it is better now, so should i submit the page URL to the developper list? i dont believe they will be interested with this, since there is no application which can exploit it. |
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| 11:09.56 | thos | hi xcasex |
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| 11:10.08 | zedstar | looking forward to playing with SMS |
| 11:12.42 | Batalyx | ...screen has been black for a half an hour (no, not a screen saver), but what can be said about hd-activity, the computer still does something.... |
| 11:13.16 | Batalyx | (I'm waiting to see the virtual memory messages on console) |
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| 11:19.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1090 has been created by thomas(AT)openedhand.com |
| 11:19.02 | cdbot2 | * * Notify users on incoming SMS |
| 11:19.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1090 |
| 11:19.26 | josch | quick question: why uses openmoko irc for community communication and not jabber muc? |
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| 11:21.54 | Pengu1n | CM, no glues, launcher tab in openmoko-today2 use a custom widget inherit from GtkTable, no such a unwanted 'clicked' event when start to scrolling, and the feedreader which use a treeview has this issue: you cann't scroll the feed list as you wish, row as actived and switched into item view page when you pressed on the screen, you cann't start a scrolling. |
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| 11:22.18 | Pengu1n | I'll report a bug for this issue for libmokoui2 |
| 11:22.53 | abraxa_ | Pengu1n: Media player has this issue as well. |
| 11:23.32 | Pengu1n | abraxa_, so it's worth to have a bug repport:) |
| 11:23.40 | abraxa_ | Yeah, of course :) |
| 11:23.42 | CM | :) |
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| 11:25.08 | thos | Pengu1n: what's the problem? |
| 11:26.14 | Pengu1n | thos see above words |
| 11:26.33 | thos | Pengu1n: you'll have to repharse |
| 11:26.40 | thos | Pengu1n: I don't quite understand |
| 11:26.51 | abraxa_ | thos: The finger scroll widget emits a button-press-event when the user begins scrolling - instead of emitting it when an entry was picked |
| 11:27.08 | thos | abraxa_: "when an entry was picked"? |
| 11:27.19 | thos | abraxa_: it does this on purpose though |
| 11:27.40 | abraxa_ | "picked" as in "scrolling was halted and an entry was selected by a single click" |
| 11:28.00 | thos | abraxa_: ah, but that doesn't work very well |
| 11:28.16 | thos | abraxa_: it emits button down, then cancels iff the user scrolls |
| 11:28.22 | abraxa_ | Yeah |
| 11:28.24 | thos | abraxa_: otherwise it then emits button up as normal |
| 11:29.41 | abraxa_ | I tried listening for other events that only get triggered when an entry was selected and clicked on but I didn't find anything useful (that is assuming the finger scroll widget contains a table) |
| 11:30.36 | thos | abraxa_: what's the problem? |
| 11:31.08 | abraxa_ | thos: Do you have the media player handy on a Neo? |
| 11:31.20 | thos | yes, I accidently started it this morning actually ;-) |
| 11:31.24 | abraxa_ | lol |
| 11:31.50 | abraxa_ | Okay... after creating a playlist and clicking the "add new files" button you get to the file browser tab |
| 11:32.19 | abraxa_ | In that tab, try scrolling in some directory: once by starting the drag on a file, once by starting the drag on a directory |
| 11:32.56 | abraxa_ | When you start dragging on a directory the button-down-event is triggered and the directory is opened |
| 11:33.12 | abraxa_ | When you start dragging on a file the event is still fired but ignored, so scrolling works as expected |
| 11:33.20 | thos | well, don't open the directory on button down |
| 11:33.38 | Pengu1n | thos: while a app with a treeview is drive by select a row (by click/button-press on it) to view detail info related that row, such as feed reader. you can't scroll on this treeview with moko-figner-scroll, because first button-press-event will case the row under the finger be selected, and app will switch to a new view. |
| 11:34.17 | thos | Pengu1n: don't use button-press to determine when a row is selected |
| 11:34.20 | thos | Pengu1n: that is incorrect |
| 11:34.31 | Pengu1n | thos: but treeview does. |
| 11:34.40 | thos | Pengu1n: no, it doesn't |
| 11:34.51 | thos | Pengu1n: use selection-changed event |
| 11:34.52 | abraxa_ | thos: Which event could be used instead? |
| 11:34.57 | abraxa_ | Ah okay |
| 11:35.00 | thos | abraxa_: selection changed |
| 11:35.27 | yang | Choko moko |
| 11:36.27 | Pengu1n | I'm not sure if openmoko-feedreader used the button-press event, but treeview really use button-press event to "activate" a activateable cell. |
| 11:36.31 | yang | still cannot find any Neo's at ebay |
| 11:37.02 | thos | abraxa_: mind you, that's still not going to work come to think of it |
| 11:37.09 | thos | abraxa_: because the selection changes when you scroll |
| 11:37.10 | abraxa_ | thos: Oh? |
| 11:37.12 | thos | abraxa_: hmmm |
| 11:37.14 | abraxa_ | Oh. |
| 11:39.32 | zedstar | what is the best way to handle say a double click on a treeview item? it seems pretty tricky to do double click with stylus? |
| 11:39.35 | Pengu1n | I've read the source code of feedreader, it uses selection changed signal. |
| 11:40.02 | thos | zedstar: double click is a bad idea on touch screens, yeah |
| 11:40.36 | Pengu1n | :) |
| 11:41.45 | zedstar | anyone using AUX button on neo to do stuff like that or bad idea also? |
| 11:42.05 | abraxa_ | zedstar: Aux is supposed to be custom to each application |
| 11:42.21 | Pengu1n | thos: how about use such a logic: button-press, mark as pressed, pressed timer out for 0.1s to send pressed event, if finger moved, remove timer and do not send pressed event.? |
| 11:43.04 | zedstar | so Aux be ok u think to emulate double clicking a row in a treeview? |
| 11:43.45 | Pengu1n | zedstar: why do you need double click? |
| 11:44.27 | zedstar | well say have list of users or whatever u wanna display info about them.....no room for on screen button? |
| 11:44.44 | zedstar | could display when selected once i guess? |
| 11:44.50 | yang | I am wondering about the size of the display compared to IPAQ'q 3800 series display...is it bigger/smaller ? |
| 11:45.03 | yang | Neo1973 Vs. Ipaq 3800 |
| 11:46.06 | abraxa_ | thos: Any idea? If not I'll postpone the problem and deal with it later ;) |
| 11:46.27 | thos | abraxa_: just thinking |
| 11:46.35 | abraxa_ | Ah okay - thanks =3 |
| 11:47.13 | zedstar | does anyone else accidently keep triggering apps when trying to scroll? |
| 11:47.50 | abraxa_ | thos: You said it only emits the button-up event if the user isn't scrolling anymore - couldn't I use that to differentiate? |
| 11:48.24 | josch | zedstar, yeah me |
| 11:48.34 | josch | the fingerscrolling widget sucks :-( |
| 11:48.56 | abraxa_ | It doesn't - the hardware is just not as great as it needed to be |
| 11:49.28 | thos | zedstar: I haven't done that for a long time |
| 11:49.45 | thos | zedstar: do you have the latest snapshot too? |
| 11:50.31 | zedstar | thos not the latest but fairly recent. i will update |
| 11:51.06 | thos | abraxa_: basically, it will emit leave/button up if the user has been scrolling, rather than just button-up |
| 11:52.22 | thos | zedstar: what we're discussing was supposed to fix the accidently hitting buttons problem |
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| 11:53.05 | zedstar | thos at ok cool jumped in half way |
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| 11:59.11 | zedstar | thos have u got round to trying out gprs on your neo yet? |
| 12:00.45 | abraxa_ | thos: Regardless of what I can do right now to make my app behave it seems that the finger scroll widget itself should only emit the selection-changed/button-press event(s) when a user actually wants to select something. Do you think this is the right way and if so, will you guys at o-hand get to it eventually? |
| 12:00.53 | abraxa_ | (just gauging where to put my efforts) |
| 12:03.06 | josch | quick fix for the issue that the person calling me hears itself with and echo? |
| 12:04.07 | thos | zedstar: nope |
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| 12:05.29 | zedstar | ah ok....i have not tried yet either but would have nicked ya scripts if u had ;) |
| 12:07.04 | thos | abraxa_: probably best to use row-activated |
| 12:08.06 | thos | abraxa_: or add a "open" button (like your add buttons) |
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| 12:11.59 | abraxa_ | thos: Thanks, I'll investigate some more when I return from university. Thanks for your time :) |
| 12:14.14 | cosmin | rwhitby: i still can't compile module-init-tools-cross ( http://pastebin.com/f7c2f0606 ), do you have any idea how i could make it work? |
| 12:17.15 | rwhitby | cosmin: nope. you should ask on #oe, since it's not openmoko specific. Make sure you can reproduce it running bitbake manually, cause if you report it as a mokomakefile thing they will ignore you. |
| 12:18.02 | cosmin | rwhitby: thanks |
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| 12:37.06 | PBeck | hio |
| 12:37.59 | Kronk | howdy :) |
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| 12:39.21 | PBeck | Kronk: :D |
| 12:39.57 | Kronk | ;)\ |
| 12:40.02 | Kronk | ;) even ! |
| 12:40.27 | PBeck | ;) ok :> |
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| 12:49.25 | Batalyx | got bored waiting, rebooted the computer, restart the building, and it started again with pixman, so CM, that's where my compilation process crashes. |
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| 12:49.55 | Kronk | :( |
| 12:59.04 | CM | Batalyx: Weird |
| 13:01.04 | Batalyx | well, I'll try the other distro.... |
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| 13:20.45 | ScaredyCat | 'restart the building' - CTRL-ALT-DEL in the lift ? |
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| 13:34.44 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3573 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (gta01-core.patch gta02-core.patch hxd8-core.patch): |
| 13:34.44 | CIA-14 | gta01/gta02/hxd8: |
| 13:34.44 | CIA-14 | * convert to new s3c2410fb platform data |
| 13:34.44 | CIA-14 | * remove deprecated SA_INTERRUPT flag from request_irq() |
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| 14:45.45 | CM | apt get cookies for hhf423 |
| 14:45.46 | apt | ACTION fetches cookies for hhf423 |
| 14:46.06 | hhf423 | :-) |
| 14:46.18 | hhf423 | thanks! |
| 14:46.25 | hhf423 | yummy, Leibniz |
| 14:46.35 | CM | Hehe |
| 14:47.13 | hhf423 | hmm, no new images anywhere? |
| 14:48.00 | hhf423 | I wonder why my Neo does not ask for pin. alt least I can use the terminal to do libgsmdtoll -m shell, but that is a bit annoying |
| 14:48.39 | CM | I got one built about 4h ago |
| 14:48.48 | hhf423 | ah, where to find? |
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| 14:48.50 | CM | But haven't tested it yet |
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| 14:49.19 | hhf423 | I do not have the impression anyone is testing anything, hehe |
| 14:49.23 | CM | hhf423: http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/current/images/neo1973/ |
| 14:49.49 | CM | It's the bleeding edge version, and untested, so beware |
| 14:50.02 | hhf423 | whats the worst that can happen? |
| 14:50.21 | CM | That you have to flash whatever rootfs you had before back to the neo :) |
| 14:50.29 | hhf423 | see, no big deal |
| 14:51.06 | CM | Let me know if it works :) |
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| 14:52.58 | hhf423_ | test |
| 14:53.19 | hhf423 | note to self: hhf423_: http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/current/images/neo1973/ |
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| 14:55.54 | hhf423_ | flashy! |
| 14:57.13 | hhf423_ | I guess there is no news on the new hardware? |
| 14:57.39 | CM | Not a sound for over a week.. |
| 14:58.50 | hhf423_ | so do we think we can order this year or only next year? |
| 14:59.08 | CM | My guess is early next year |
| 14:59.14 | hhf423_ | or do we think the whole thing will go down in flames because harald is gone? |
| 14:59.39 | hhf423_ | but I hope one person is not that important |
| 14:59.42 | CM | No, I don't think that. But I do hope they get the hardware out |
| 14:59.50 | CM | That's what everyone is waiting for |
| 15:00.35 | CM | And I also wish someone would say someting, anything, about what is going on internally. |
| 15:01.20 | CM | Like how the new hardware revision is doing, if there's enough supply of materials to build the GTA02 and so on |
| 15:01.32 | hhf423_ | yeah, give us some confidence that something is coming :-) |
| 15:02.12 | starox_ | Do you know how many gat01 have been sold ? |
| 15:02.32 | hhf423_ | >2000 no? |
| 15:03.20 | CM | That is not officially released |
| 15:03.35 | CM | But it's definitely more than 1000, since the first batch sold out |
| 15:03.53 | CM | And I assume less than 2000 since the second isn't. |
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| 15:04.08 | CM | (Or less than 3000 if the second batch was 2000 phones) |
| 15:04.09 | starox_ | So we can't buy one now ? |
| 15:04.15 | hhf423_ | CM: your image boots ok |
| 15:04.23 | CM | You can buy a GTA01 now |
| 15:04.32 | starox_ | :) |
| 15:04.34 | hhf423_ | starox_: yes, I think you can buy gta01 |
| 15:04.39 | CM | hhf423_: Nice, hope the pin works :) |
| 15:04.50 | hhf423_ | no, does not ask for pin here |
| 15:05.08 | CM | You most definitely can buy it, but most people now are just waiting for gta02 |
| 15:05.12 | starox_ | I'm waiting gta02, but if I wait too much, I'll buy a gta01. |
| 15:06.04 | CM | The price is in USD, so it's cheeap.. ;) |
| 15:06.45 | starox_ | CM: Yes I'm in europe :) |
| 15:06.53 | hhf423_ | CM: so I have to go into libgsmdtool to make it ask for pin |
| 15:07.01 | hhf423_ | I have no idea why that is so |
| 15:07.16 | CM | hhf423_: Is there a bug against the dialer for that? Should be.. |
| 15:07.47 | hhf423_ | CM: I do not know, are there not many bugs against the dialer? |
| 15:10.41 | hhf423_ | roh: so there will be no nightly builds, see bug 1065 |
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| 15:13.10 | CM | hhf423_: How about daily builds? ;) |
| 15:13.21 | hhf423_ | yeah, whatever |
| 15:13.31 | CM | Me or ScaredyCat usually builds, and rwhitby too I think |
| 15:14.18 | hhf423_ | yes, I know. I just found that it would be nice to also have "official" daily build |
| 15:14.22 | CM | Didn't find any bug report for the missing pin in the dialr though |
| 15:14.47 | hhf423_ | 1028? |
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| 15:15.39 | Sup3rkiddo | is projects.openmoko.org down? someone please confirm |
| 15:15.44 | CM | hhf423_: Hmm.. Maybe that fix preventet multiple pin requests reducing it to 0? |
| 15:15.45 | starox_ | using buildbot for daily builds it could be usefull |
| 15:15.56 | CM | Sup3rkiddo: It's up |
| 15:16.16 | Sup3rkiddo | ~trout |
| 15:16.17 | apt | ACTION slaps nbd around a bit with a large trout! |
| 15:16.43 | Sup3rkiddo | er... |
| 15:16.46 | Sup3rkiddo | ~trout CM |
| 15:16.47 | apt | ACTION slaps CM around a bit with a large trout! |
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| 15:16.56 | Sup3rkiddo | just for the fun of it |
| 15:17.08 | thos | hhf423_: what's your problem with PIN? |
| 15:17.23 | hhf423_ | thos: I do not get asked for one |
| 15:17.35 | Sup3rkiddo | CM: you sure mate?, i cant access it and the svn |
| 15:17.56 | thos | hhf423_: I committed a patch yesterday, do you very recent build? |
| 15:18.12 | CM | thos: from 4h ago, bleeding edge sync |
| 15:18.24 | hhf423_ | thos: I just flashed a image which is 5h old, from CM |
| 15:18.30 | CM | Sup3rkiddo: Hmm.. I'm behind a proxy so it might be cashed |
| 15:18.38 | thos | hhf423_: what version of openmoko-dialer2 ? |
| 15:18.42 | Sup3rkiddo | CM: oh!, thanks |
| 15:18.48 | hhf423_ | how do I check? |
| 15:19.00 | thos | hhf423_: ipkg list_installed|grep openmoko-dialer2 |
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| 15:19.28 | hhf423_ | openmoko-dialer2 - 1:0.1.0+svnr3522-r5 - The OpenMoko Dialer |
| 15:20.15 | CM | Hmm.. So it's scr_rev locked |
| 15:22.05 | hhf423_ | hmm, now I do not have a top menu bar |
| 15:22.53 | CM | crappy |
| 15:23.43 | hhf423_ | its back after restarting X |
| 15:24.13 | thos | hhf423_: latest version is 3573 |
| 15:27.06 | hhf423_ | thos: really? then CM missed it somehow |
| 15:27.43 | hhf423_ | does anyone know why I am getting ** (matchbox-panel-2:1253): DEBUG: battery_applet: timeout all the time? |
| 15:28.09 | CM | thos: Thanks, I'll update the srcrev and rebuild the ipkg |
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| 15:28.39 | CM | ~curse bitbake for slow file parsing |
| 15:28.39 | apt | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, bitbake for slow file parsing ! |
| 15:29.06 | hhf423_ | CM: let me know when the next build is ready, happy to test it |
| 15:29.25 | CM | hhf423_: I'll send you a link to the ipkg :) |
| 15:30.24 | hhf423_ | CM: or that way, if that is the only thing missing :-) |
| 15:32.08 | thos | CM: I use autorev to make sure everything is bleeding edge |
| 15:32.52 | CM | thos: Hmm.. Guess I should do that too. Is there any easy way to switch between autorev and locked scr revs? |
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| 15:34.32 | CM | hhf423_: http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/current/ipk/armv4t/openmoko-dialer2_0.1.0+svnr3573-r5_armv4t.ipk |
| 15:36.26 | thos | CM: have you put require conf/distro/include/moko-autorev.inc in local.conf? |
| 15:36.49 | CM | Not yet, I'll do that and rebuild |
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| 15:40.19 | hhf423_ | oooh! now it asks for PIN! |
| 15:40.31 | CM | ~praise thos |
| 15:40.31 | apt | All hail thos! |
| 15:40.57 | hhf423_ | brilliant, maybe it will even register on the network |
| 15:41.45 | hhf423_ | well, after clicking autoregister. fair enough |
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| 15:43.19 | tonyg | hi all. when I echo "mem" > /sys/power/state, then (1) incoming "RING" doesn't wake up the machine, and (2) the GSM modem is in a weird state on wakeup (if I press AUX), and needs a reset to make it sane again |
| 15:43.42 | tonyg | is there a better way of going to the power_off state? |
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| 15:46.44 | mwester | tonyg: suspend/resume is not working yet on the GTA01 |
| 15:47.50 | tonyg | mwester, at kernel level? |
| 15:47.55 | tonyg | or at hardware level? |
| 15:48.27 | mwester | Don't know. We hope it's just a kernel level, but there is concern that the GSM modem state is a hardware thing. |
| 15:48.34 | tonyg | ok. |
| 15:48.46 | tonyg | Is the CTS/interrupt-pin thing from the wiki implemented? |
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| 15:48.56 | Writchie | tonyg: no |
| 15:48.57 | tonyg | (I suspect not? because RING didn't wake the machine) |
| 15:48.58 | tonyg | ok |
| 15:49.06 | mwester | Unknown |
| 15:49.30 | tonyg | thank you. |
| 15:49.31 | Writchie | whether there are related hardware problems won't be known until its verified |
| 15:49.37 | tonyg | yep. |
| 15:50.02 | tonyg | If I were to look into issues such as this, I'd need to have bought the developer edition with the debugger etc, wouldn't I? |
| 15:50.04 | mwester | It is suspected that if the hw buffers contain data whan the device is suspended that data will be lost. |
| 15:50.14 | Writchie | related issue is whether modem goes in low power state instead of 50mw state |
| 15:50.31 | tonyg | (Is there a bugzilla bug tracking this?) |
| 15:50.37 | tonyg | (my quick search before couldn't find much) |
| 15:50.43 | Writchie | tonyg: don't need dev kit for this. |
| 15:50.50 | tonyg | Writchie, that's good news :) |
| 15:50.52 | Writchie | but you need a stable kernel |
| 15:51.00 | Writchie | and uboot |
| 15:51.09 | tonyg | I haven't upgraded uboot myself ever. |
| 15:51.13 | tonyg | It's still the default as shipped. |
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| 15:53.23 | Writchie | mwester: do you know of any recent "snapshot" tested kernel |
| 15:54.34 | hhf423_ | CM: let me know when its done :-) |
| 15:55.10 | hhf423_ | tonyg: the uboot from august 18 is safe to use and has fixed all annoying errors |
| 15:55.35 | tonyg | hhf423, so it'd be an unqualified benefit to upgrade to it? do you have a URL? |
| 15:55.36 | hhf423_ | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/ |
| 15:55.39 | tonyg | thanks :) |
| 15:56.00 | tonyg | I'm in london. If I brick my machine, is there anyone around who can help me unbrick it? :) |
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| 15:56.13 | hhf423_ | the one serious bug fixed was that thsi version no longer requires nand erase if you use smaller images or so |
| 15:56.23 | tonyg | hhf423, awesome. that's bitten me a number of times |
| 15:56.43 | hhf423_ | tonyg: I have no debug board and flashed this and had no issues |
| 15:57.00 | hhf423_ | I had no uboot related issues since |
| 15:57.06 | Writchie | hhf423: i think that version is still missing the fix for 40ma charge - but I don't think there is a stable version yet with that change. |
| 15:57.38 | hhf423_ | Writchie: whats the 40ma fix exactly? |
| 15:58.06 | Writchie | allows slow charge to charge at 100ma instead of < 50ma |
| 15:58.24 | hhf423_ | Writchie: ah, that would be good to have, clearly |
| 15:58.25 | Writchie | if the modem is left on this really critical when you have a dead battery |
| 15:58.33 | toggles_w | Anyone have an idea when we can buy v2 hw? Not this month right? |
| 15:58.35 | hhf423_ | yes, I agree |
| 15:58.36 | so_solid_moo | tonyg: the o-hand people (person?) were offering unbricking a while ago iirc. |
| 15:59.07 | tonyg | so_solid_moo, thanks. i'll have a go at flashing uboot maybe later :) since I'm not suffering unduly at present... |
| 16:00.00 | so_solid_moo | tonyg: see last para of http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2007/10/02/two-neo1973s-calling-each-other/ |
| 16:00.49 | hhf423_ | Writchie: doe you know if the uboot from december 1 (official November release) has the fix? |
| 16:00.51 | tonyg | so_solid_moo, that's great. thanks for the link. |
| 16:01.37 | Writchie | I believe it does - but there may be other problems with that version. |
| 16:01.42 | Writchie | wait one |
| 16:03.45 | tonyg | gah. wish I'd managed to get to mobilecamplondon. |
| 16:03.56 | tonyg | definitely keen for an openmoko-london user group. |
| 16:03.57 | Writchie | tonyg: bug 762 fixed in svn rev 3147 |
| 16:04.05 | tonyg | Writchie, thanks |
| 16:04.07 | zedstar | there will one in feb tonyg i think |
| 16:04.14 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3574 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/hxd8-core.patch: cosmetic fix: use tab instead of spaces |
| 16:05.01 | hhf423_ | Writchie: other problems with the December 1 version of uboot? |
| 16:05.32 | zedstar | tonyg add your name/details to the local groups london in wiki also |
| 16:06.44 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3575 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (6 files): kernel api change: s/SA_INTERRUPT/IRQF_DISABLED/g |
| 16:07.05 | Writchie | i'm sure - it wasn't recommended on last snapshot a few days ago and I'm not sure of the reason. I believe there were some reporting problems with SD card but i'm not sure if they were u-boot or kernel related. It's best not to load a questionable u-boot without a dev board. |
| 16:08.14 | hhf423_ | Writchie: hmm, I just flashed it |
| 16:08.27 | Writchie | do you boot from sd? |
| 16:08.42 | hhf423_ | no |
| 16:10.00 | torpor | http://w1xer.de/bling.html |
| 16:13.44 | Writchie | hhf423_: i can't tell from the bugzilla any outstanding issues on the November u-boot. |
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| 16:16.12 | Writchie | mickeyl: are you aware of any outstanding issues in the November u-boot in your snapshot? |
| 16:17.01 | mickeyl | Writchie: 887 |
| 16:17.03 | mickeyl | !ombug 887 |
| 16:17.04 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 887, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 16:17.05 | cdbot2 | * * mickey(AT)vanille-media.de: U-Boot initialization race condition: Hangs on boot |
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| 16:17.07 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=887 |
| 16:17.08 | mickeyl | this is the _blocker_ |
| 16:17.19 | mickeyl | which is why i didn't recommend using the 2007.11 u-boot |
| 16:17.29 | Writchie | mickeyl: tx |
| 16:17.32 | mickeyl | iirc the 2007.08 u-boot is the last one not exposing #887 |
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| 16:21.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1091 has been created by mjr(AT)iki.fi |
| 16:21.02 | cdbot2 | * * gllin package installs into /home instead of /usr |
| 16:21.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1091 |
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| 16:22.48 | gurthang | openmoko |
| 16:25.39 | Writchie | mickeyl: i love the rollout display - this is not that far from reality |
| 16:26.33 | mickeyl | i sincerely hope so |
| 16:26.39 | mickeyl | it's my ultimate dream |
| 16:26.52 | mickeyl | btw., over the next couple of days i can work more on freesmartphone.org |
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| 16:26.56 | Writchie | needs to rollout the top for one handed op |
| 16:27.29 | mickeyl | yea |
| 16:27.34 | Writchie | i'm hoping to get more done on the ref model in in the next day or to. |
| 16:27.49 | mickeyl | coolies |
| 16:28.01 | Writchie | is 2.6.23 being abandoned in favaor of 2.6.24? |
| 16:28.25 | Writchie | i need a target for the mux - it's a module but 2.6.23 has some PM problems |
| 16:28.38 | mickeyl | probably. our new system level engineer just started a couple of days ago |
| 16:28.44 | mickeyl | and is catching up with the state of affairs |
| 16:29.06 | Writchie | great: we need a clean kernel snapshot |
| 16:29.23 | mickeyl | i guess he will stabilize .22 more and then base on harald's .24 patches |
| 16:29.28 | torpor | Writchie: what rollout display? |
| 16:29.30 | mickeyl | but that's just my guess |
| 16:29.43 | Writchie | 22 is fine |
| 16:30.05 | Writchie | but driver changes are needed to be backported fro the gsm pm to work. |
| 16:30.29 | mickeyl | right |
| 16:30.36 | Writchie | torpor: http://www.freesmartphone.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 16:30.55 | torpor | ah |
| 16:30.58 | torpor | that is pretty trick. |
| 16:31.50 | Writchie | mickeyl: the kernel mailing list needs to come alive. |
| 16:32.12 | Writchie | again |
| 16:32.15 | mickeyl | i know |
| 16:32.20 | mickeyl | it will happen |
| 16:32.21 | mickeyl | like i said |
| 16:32.25 | mickeyl | new guy is on board |
| 16:32.26 | torpor | some hardware might be nice |
| 16:32.31 | mickeyl | but needs some days to catch up |
| 16:32.36 | Writchie | ack |
| 16:33.25 | Writchie | he needs to be made to use o GTA01 for his own phone ;) |
| 16:33.55 | torpor | heh heh |
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| 16:34.34 | Writchie | or better yet his wife ;) |
| 16:36.12 | torpor | okay whats the 'nice' way to put something in /usr/share/appname through a recipe? |
| 16:36.54 | mickeyl | install -d ${datadir}/foo |
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| 16:37.02 | *** part/#openmoko white_gecko (n=natanael@c-180-168-193.l.dial.de.ignite.net) |
| 16:37.09 | mickeyl | install -m <whatever> ${D}${datadir}/foo |
| 16:37.17 | mickeyl | (forgot the ${D} in the first line) |
| 16:37.18 | torpor | and datadir is gonna be /usr/share/appname? |
| 16:37.22 | mickeyl | no |
| 16:37.26 | mickeyl | datadir is /usr/share |
| 16:37.27 | mickeyl | often |
| 16:37.30 | torpor | ok |
| 16:37.34 | torpor | that'll work. |
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| 16:43.11 | gurthang | openmoko |
| 16:44.55 | gurthang | openmoko |
| 16:45.24 | Stephmw | I completely agree, but what point are you making? |
| 16:45.43 | so_solid_moo | if you say it three times, you get a free phone |
| 16:45.59 | so_solid_moo | or a ghost appears. I forget which. |
| 16:46.53 | tonyg | zedstar, thanks for the tip re london usergroup on the wiki. done. |
| 16:47.08 | gurthang | openmoko |
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| 16:47.59 | gurthang | openmoko |
| 16:48.26 | zash | gurthang: and you are doing what? |
| 16:48.35 | gurthang | openmoko |
| 16:49.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1092 has been created by mjr(AT)iki.fi |
| 16:49.01 | cdbot2 | * * gllin outputs uncompressed NMEA log, crashes on disk full |
| 16:49.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1092 |
| 16:49.27 | gurthang | yes, in openmoko |
| 16:49.32 | NineX | do latest build emitting any sonud on call , or menu selection? |
| 16:49.33 | zedstar | tongy there seem to be a few people in london with Neo's. i am up for any usergroup/meet stuff if can get enough or can wait next mobilebarcamp |
| 16:50.01 | gurthang | openmoko |
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| 16:50.36 | tonyg | zedstar, where are you based? I work at lshift.net, in Hoxton/Old St |
| 16:50.47 | gurthang | openmok |
| 16:50.51 | gurthang | openmoko |
| 16:51.02 | Stephmw | tonyg: Ooooh, more londonites |
| 16:51.09 | Stephmw | tonyg: ... no neo here alas |
| 16:51.10 | tonyg | :) |
| 16:51.19 | gurthang | openmoko |
| 16:51.31 | zedstar | tonyg i work in holburn |
| 16:51.35 | Stephmw | gurthang: enough |
| 16:51.42 | zilux | could someone stop the gurthang bot? |
| 16:51.48 | tonyg | Stephmw, if you're in London, you ought also put yourself on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_London :) |
| 16:51.49 | gurthang | poor zylox |
| 16:51.57 | gurthang | poor zilux |
| 16:52.08 | zilux | do the same stuttering at #vim eg |
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| 16:52.25 | CM | zilux: It's not a bot, just a bored idiot I guess |
| 16:52.31 | gurthang | poor CM |
| 16:52.35 | gurthang | poor CM |
| 16:52.38 | gurthang | poor CM |
| 16:52.40 | gurthang | poor CM |
| 16:52.46 | zilux | it is perhaps a bot |
| 16:52.52 | AVee | Look he can spell CM right :) |
| 16:52.57 | gurthang | poor zilux |
| 16:53.01 | gurthang | he is a bot |
| 16:53.05 | gurthang | bots are here |
| 16:53.06 | zilux | ok, bored idiot |
| 16:53.08 | zash | slash ignore! |
| 16:53.12 | gurthang | they destroy the world |
| 16:53.17 | gurthang | openmoko |
| 16:53.22 | zedstar | tonyg ah lshift functional programming dudes! |
| 16:53.24 | gurthang | openmoko |
| 16:53.29 | tonyg | yup :) |
| 16:53.30 | gurthang | openmoko |
| 16:53.39 | gurthang | openmoko |
| 16:53.43 | gurthang | openmoko |
| 16:53.45 | gurthang | openmoko |
| 16:54.01 | mjr | maybe we need more ops here |
| 16:54.07 | mjr | just a thought |
| 16:54.09 | gurthang | poor mjr |
| 16:54.10 | tonyg | is that holborn, or holburn? I get confused |
| 16:54.12 | thos | zedstar: what other images are there apart from Moko.jpg? |
| 16:54.13 | Kero | lshift? friend of mine used to work there ;) |
| 16:54.23 | gurthang | do you admit you're poor, mjr? |
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| 16:54.25 | CM | Yeah, at lest apt should be able to kick out spammers and such |
| 16:54.35 | CM | ~kick gurthang |
| 16:54.36 | apt | ACTION kicks gurthang |
| 16:54.42 | CM | :) |
| 16:54.46 | gurthang | poor CM |
| 16:54.54 | gurthang | do you admit you're poor, CM? |
| 16:55.20 | Mononoke | ~beer Mononoke |
| 16:55.21 | apt | ACTION deftly decants a fine Yuengling Lager for Mononoke |
| 16:55.30 | Mononoke | hmm not good one |
| 16:55.32 | Mononoke | ~beer Mononoke |
| 16:55.32 | apt | ACTION deftly decants a fine Jever for Mononoke |
| 16:55.39 | Mononoke | :S |
| 16:55.44 | gurthang | poor Mononoke |
| 16:55.50 | _diego_ | ~lart apt abuser |
| 16:55.50 | apt | slaps apt abuser upside the head with a wet fish |
| 16:55.57 | gurthang | do you admit you're poor, Mononoke? |
| 16:56.23 | Mononoke | hmm yes I'm poor student |
| 16:56.31 | gurthang | why |
| 16:56.34 | gurthang | you lie |
| 16:56.37 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3576 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-leds.patch: gta02-leds: 2.6.24-rc4 merge: led classdev changes |
| 16:56.42 | gurthang | kernel sucks |
| 16:57.33 | gurthang | mononoke admits she's poor |
| 16:57.38 | gurthang | poor mononoke |
| 16:58.26 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3577 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta01-inputdevice.patch: gta01-inputdevice: SA_INTERRUPT -> IRQF_ changes |
| 16:59.14 | tonyg | http://openmoko.pastebin.com/m2af71760 |
| 16:59.21 | tonyg | anyone else have a build stuck on icu? |
| 16:59.24 | gurthang | poor tonyg |
| 16:59.26 | zedstar | tony holborn |
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| 17:00.02 | zedstar | thos: what images u mean? |
| 17:00.06 | tonyg | holborn's not so far away. |
| 17:00.26 | zedstar | tonyg yeh not to far |
| 17:00.27 | thos | zedstar: under "Device owned" |
| 17:00.29 | tonyg | well, if the dec release of gta02 happens, perhaps a dec or jan meetup |
| 17:00.32 | gurthang | thos |
| 17:00.35 | gurthang | tonyg |
| 17:00.38 | gurthang | zedstar |
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| 17:00.57 | zedstar | thos: ah.. the wiki... oh dunno there is a debug case one |
| 17:01.14 | thos | zedstar: oh, what's it called? |
| 17:01.17 | CM | tonyg: I don't have that one now, but a few months ago I got it |
| 17:01.27 | CM | tonyg: I was refering to the icu problem |
| 17:01.32 | zedstar | thos hang on ill see if can find it from other user list |
| 17:01.57 | zedstar | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:MokoBox.jpg |
| 17:02.13 | zedstar | thos there is that |
| 17:02.19 | NineX | who created wesnoth package? please remember me nickname of this guy |
| 17:02.57 | thos | zedstar: hm, guess that would do |
| 17:03.10 | thos | zedstar: what about an icon for "GTA02" |
| 17:03.14 | gurthang | thos |
| 17:03.18 | gurthang | thos |
| 17:03.21 | gurthang | thos |
| 17:03.22 | gurthang | thos |
| 17:03.22 | gurthang | thos |
| 17:03.24 | mickeyl | gurthang: you're starting to annoy |
| 17:03.28 | mickeyl | leave it |
| 17:03.29 | NineX | !kb gurthang |
| 17:03.47 | *** mode/#openmoko [+o mickeyl] by ChanServ |
| 17:03.55 | Writchie | http://xkcd.com/353/ |
| 17:04.09 | zedstar | thos i just got template of other local group but need some new icons yeh |
| 17:04.35 | zedstar | tonyg yeh sounds good idea |
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| 17:06.11 | thos | mickeyl: wow, you scared him off :-) |
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| 17:06.27 | Gybrush | hey, thos! |
| 17:06.32 | JackTheDipper | ;-) |
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| 17:06.48 | thos | JackTheDipper: greetings! |
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| 17:07.39 | zedstar | ohh the london local groups has almost doubled in no time :) |
| 17:08.10 | *** mode/#openmoko [-o mickeyl] by ChanServ |
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| 17:09.40 | CM | NineX: I think it was josch |
| 17:11.05 | NineX | CM: thx |
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| 17:14.13 | josch | NineX, ?? |
| 17:14.22 | josch | ah wesnoth |
| 17:14.41 | josch | NineX, http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/wesnoth/ |
| 17:14.43 | CM | Äh, you were to fast for me to ~blame josch for wesnoth |
| 17:14.44 | josch | :-D |
| 17:14.47 | CM | ;) |
| 17:15.05 | josch | CM, lol you used an Ä ^^ |
| 17:15.23 | CM | :P |
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| 17:20.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1093 has been created by sudharsh(AT)gmail.com |
| 17:20.01 | cdbot2 | * * Qemu build breaks in gentoo |
| 17:20.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1093 |
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| 18:00.45 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3580 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/s3c2410_touchscreen.patch: s3c2410_ts 2.6.24-rc4 merge: use BIT_MASK and BIT_WORD |
| 18:01.20 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3581 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/missing_defs.patch: 2.6.24-rc4 merge |
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| 18:05.45 | mickeyl | LaF0rge: heh, i'm not going to touch gllin anymore |
| 18:06.07 | torpor | whys that? |
| 18:06.40 | mickeyl | i have much more important things to do than haxoring binaries |
| 18:06.47 | torpor | w00t! |
| 18:06.51 | torpor | such as? |
| 18:06.58 | torpor | tell us something juicy. what you working on? |
| 18:06.59 | mickeyl | freesmartphone.org |
| 18:07.03 | mickeyl | phone server |
| 18:07.05 | mickeyl | device daemon |
| 18:07.17 | mickeyl | vmware image |
| 18:07.45 | mickeyl | + the usual bunch of stuff I maintain in OE |
| 18:07.51 | mickeyl | (too much, actually) |
| 18:09.00 | abraxa_ | ~hail mickey |
| 18:09.01 | apt | ACTION bows down to mickey and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 18:09.07 | abraxa_ | 'xactly. |
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| 18:11.36 | mickeyl | heh |
| 18:11.42 | mickeyl | too much honor |
| 18:11.49 | balrog-kun | ewwww |
| 18:11.53 | balrog-kun | vmware :p |
| 18:12.14 | mickeyl | jep. please don't suggest alternatives, it's been decided :) |
| 18:12.25 | mickeyl | no matter whether i like it or not... |
| 18:12.45 | mickeyl | you can convert to qemu can't you? |
| 18:12.51 | balrog-kun | ok, but i'm going to say ewww every now and then :) |
| 18:13.16 | balrog-kun | yes, quite possibly |
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| 18:18.51 | LaF0rge | maybe I should remove myself from planet openmoko first |
| 18:19.14 | LaF0rge | it's completley inacceptable to create dependencies on proprietary software. |
| 18:21.10 | balrog-kun | apparently it is acceptable for OpenMoko Inc :/ |
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| 18:21.17 | torpor | what vmware decision? |
| 18:21.29 | doc|home | er, there's a dep on vmware?! |
| 18:21.34 | torpor | wtf? |
| 18:21.35 | torpor | really? |
| 18:21.53 | LaF0rge | well for the sdk, if i understood correctly. |
| 18:22.20 | doc|home | /j #notsoopenmoko :) |
| 18:22.34 | balrog-kun | doc|home: not currently |
| 18:23.20 | mickeyl | well, i wouldn't call it a dependency |
| 18:23.28 | mickeyl | the SDK will be released in components |
| 18:23.33 | mickeyl | e.g. toolchain is already out |
| 18:23.34 | balrog-kun | more lke a recomentation i think |
| 18:23.36 | mickeyl | anjuta stuff will follow |
| 18:23.38 | alphaone | Shouldn't vmware images run with qemu? |
| 18:23.41 | balrog-kun | *recomendation |
| 18:23.48 | mickeyl | the vmware image is a convenience image where everything is included |
| 18:24.01 | mickeyl | (not trying to defend here, but clarifying) |
| 18:24.02 | LaF0rge | still, it sends the wrong message |
| 18:24.05 | balrog-kun | alphaone: run i don't know, but they can be converted to raw |
| 18:24.08 | Writchie | a vmware appliance is a good idea - i think |
| 18:24.11 | LaF0rge | mickeyl: FSF will not like it eiter |
| 18:24.16 | alphaone | balrog-kun: Yeah |
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| 18:24.28 | mickeyl | well, message is a completely different thing. |
| 18:24.30 | LaF0rge | why not just ship a chroot, does practically the same thing |
| 18:24.36 | balrog-kun | raw image format can bve read by any emulator, though running is a different question (hw compatibilty etc) |
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| 18:25.49 | Writchie | the build system should have much in the way of hardware compatibility issues. |
| 18:26.59 | balrog-kun | vmware like chroot implies root access to the computer you want to run it on, but vmware also is restricted to x86 or x86_64 and not portable |
| 18:27.13 | balrog-kun | and it may well containt code you didn't expect to be running on your PC hidden in it |
| 18:28.38 | Writchie | vmware AFAIK doesn't need root access - except maybe so set up the network brideging or real devices. |
| 18:29.07 | Writchie | but x86 point is well taken |
| 18:29.15 | balrog-kun | Writchie: it is completely dependent on its kernel code |
| 18:29.47 | Writchie | yes - the vmware drivers. |
| 18:29.56 | balrog-kun | the main part of it is in kernel, as is the case with kqemu and vmbear |
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| 18:33.48 | tonyg | does anyone do openmoko dev on a powerpc mac? |
| 18:33.56 | ljp_ | mickeyl: did you guys look into virtualbox? |
| 18:34.44 | mickeyl | ljp_: no idea |
| 18:34.47 | mickeyl | probably not |
| 18:36.01 | LaF0rge | tonyg: I used my G5 quad for OE builds some time ago |
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| 18:37.44 | SpeedEvil | Does anyone have a recommendation for a 'working' image and kernel? |
| 18:38.11 | SpeedEvil | I don't ATM have a build chain up, and would like to upgrade from the shipped OS. |
| 18:39.19 | tonyg | LaF0rge, and was it as smooth as linux/x86? |
| 18:39.34 | LaF0rge | tonyg: as a powerpc user, you should know that it never is as smooth |
| 18:39.38 | tonyg | :) |
| 18:39.44 | LaF0rge | tonyg: but that is good, since it fixes bugs |
| 18:39.48 | tonyg | LaF0rge, absolutely. |
| 18:40.12 | LaF0rge | oh, and i am talking about linuxppc64 on that g5, obviously |
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| 18:46.32 | tonyg | LaF0rge, ok that's interesting. My ppc powerbook is still running os x 10.3.9 |
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| 18:49.51 | LaF0rge | tonyg: removing proprietary OS's before they have booted the first time is one of the few pleasures I have when getting new devices :) |
| 18:51.13 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: Yay for PXE boots. :) |
| 18:51.16 | tonyg | :) |
| 18:51.26 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: How is india? |
| 18:51.41 | SpeedEvil | Any reason I can't chroot over to /media/card, and untar openmoko-november-snapshot.rootfs.tar.gz on the root, after rm'ng? |
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| 18:56.19 | tonyg | So, it looks from AT+CGCLASS=? that GTA01 is class "B", not class "A". Is that right? And if so, am I right in understanding that this means you can have both voice and gprs connections *attached* simultaneously, but only one of the two can be transferring data at a time? |
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| 19:02.40 | SpeedEvil | tonyg: in principle yes |
| 19:02.46 | SpeedEvil | in practice, that's not working yet |
| 19:02.55 | tonyg | SpeedEvil, sure :) |
| 19:03.04 | SpeedEvil | and if you turn on a GPRS connection, you get no notification of an incoming call. |
| 19:03.07 | tonyg | it limits my expectations, though. |
| 19:03.09 | tonyg | ok |
| 19:03.17 | tonyg | how does that line up with the 07.10 multiplexing thing? |
| 19:03.31 | tonyg | once mux is in there, could a call notifcation arrive over a different mux endpoint? |
| 19:03.43 | SpeedEvil | Something like that |
| 19:03.46 | tonyg | ok |
| 19:04.05 | SpeedEvil | you get a notification, decide to take the call, and if you do, the GPRS stalls |
| 19:04.06 | tonyg | but it'd still be the case that either the voice call *or* the gprs "call" could have data flowing, but not both? |
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| 19:04.09 | tonyg | ok |
| 19:04.23 | SpeedEvil | I don't know if you can take incoming SMS during data mode |
| 19:04.23 | tonyg | and a class "A" device would permit both streams to continue simultaneously? |
| 19:04.38 | tonyg | (I suspect you *can* take SMS, but that's a total guess) |
| 19:04.47 | tonyg | (if you're using 07.10) |
| 19:04.57 | SpeedEvil | As I understand, yses, but class A requires two radios - pretty much |
| 19:05.02 | tonyg | So, then: is GTA02 a CGCLASS="A" device? |
| 19:05.04 | tonyg | ah |
| 19:05.17 | mjr | it's not |
| 19:05.21 | tonyg | odd. I thought GPRS operated over the unused timeslots over the same radio |
| 19:05.32 | tonyg | mjr, thanks. ok. |
| 19:05.58 | SpeedEvil | tonyg: I'm just reporting what I vaguely remember. |
| 19:06.22 | SpeedEvil | I suspect the problem is that you can't guarantee scheduling on the same channel. |
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| 19:07.39 | tonyg | it's funny how I can consider myself a low-level programming in some respects and be waaaay up in the stratosphere in others :-) I've never looked into the fine detail of the wire/radio-level support for GSM... |
| 19:07.44 | tonyg | *programmer |
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| 19:16.22 | xcasex | man getting the contacts from my wm mobile to evolution and the neo is going to be asshackery :( |
| 19:16.59 | tonyg | xcasex, yay for perl ;-) |
| 19:17.23 | xcasex | True! |
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| 20:38.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1094 has been created by milo_casagrande(AT)yahoo.it |
| 20:38.02 | cdbot2 | * * Italian translation missing |
| 20:38.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1094 |
| 20:39.25 | jeffdameth | hmm... so one really has to build the whole 7GB build envinronment to develop something for the neo? |
| 20:39.43 | abraxa_ | jeffdameth: No |
| 20:39.53 | balrog-kun | jeffdameth: no, where did you read this? |
| 20:39.58 | abraxa_ | You can also just grab the (not entirely complete) toolchain |
| 20:40.30 | jeffdameth | abraxa_: do you have some pointer where to start looking? |
| 20:40.34 | abraxa_ | Yeah, sec |
| 20:43.14 | jeffdameth | balrog-kun: i was looking through the openmoko wiki: 'crash course application development' |
| 20:43.37 | abraxa_ | jeffdameth: The SDK was supposed to be located at http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/sdk/ but it's not there right now so it seems mickey would need to build it again |
| 20:44.04 | LetoTo | gues I would have preferred less pixel density and larger screen, like the iphone. Since my eyes suck :) |
| 20:44.29 | LetoTo | but large enough to settle for freedom and openmoko and not fall for ibrick games :) |
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| 20:47.19 | jeffdameth | abraxa_: thank you |
| 20:48.21 | abraxa_ | jeffdameth: If you have time you might want to stay around and ask him about the state of affairs when he gets back |
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| 20:54.34 | jeffdameth | abraxa_: yep. thet was my plan :) |
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| 21:00.19 | Ghiottone | hello |
| 21:01.05 | OJW | hello Ghiottone |
| 21:01.52 | Ghiottone | what's new? |
| 21:08.34 | CM | Ghiottone: Evening :) |
| 21:08.49 | Ghiottone | hey CM :) |
| 21:08.54 | Ghiottone | what's up? |
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| 21:09.14 | CM | I'm totally bogged down with moving and working too much overtime |
| 21:09.25 | CM | But soon I'll be back to doing useful stuff ;) |
| 21:09.41 | Ghiottone | :) |
| 21:10.12 | Ghiottone | is the autorev patch in bb now? |
| 21:10.37 | CM | No, but I've patched my lib/bb/svb.py myself ;) |
| 21:10.49 | CM | svn.. |
| 21:10.58 | Ghiottone | ehehe fastest way :) |
| 21:11.31 | Ghiottone | I noticed that if I do ipkg upgrade -noaction it download the whole file... |
| 21:11.31 | CM | Many things happening with oe and om now, but they're all in progress so not much to say yet |
| 21:11.35 | CM | Just fun to see :) |
| 21:11.42 | CM | Hehe |
| 21:11.52 | CM | ~curse ipkg |
| 21:11.52 | apt | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, ipkg ! |
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| 21:12.02 | Ghiottone | rofl |
| 21:12.10 | Ghiottone | big things? |
| 21:12.14 | Ghiottone | any anticipation? |
| 21:12.28 | CM | No rumours of any hardware yet |
| 21:12.29 | Ghiottone | I read about some progress on java |
| 21:12.33 | CM | That's what I really want.. |
| 21:12.44 | Ghiottone | java? ehehe |
| 21:12.47 | CM | Yeah, java, efl, stable oe branch (or something) |
| 21:12.56 | Ghiottone | have a look at mickeyl's blog |
| 21:13.07 | Ghiottone | I read it there today IIRC |
| 21:13.08 | CM | I've read it, seen the discussions |
| 21:13.17 | Ghiottone | what's the status? |
| 21:13.18 | CM | Yeah, good progress :) |
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| 21:14.00 | Ghiottone | what will you do when there will be java on the moko? |
| 21:14.05 | CM | Ah, sorry |
| 21:14.18 | mwester | cry |
| 21:14.22 | CM | That wasn't what I was waiting for, it's the gta02 I mean |
| 21:15.52 | CM | I'd like to try some python efl things, eventually :) |
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| 21:16.22 | CM | ~welcome pavelm |
| 21:16.23 | apt | Welcome to the party, pavelm! |
| 21:16.25 | pavelm | Hello, everyone. |
| 21:16.32 | pavelm | Thanks for warm welcome, CM :-) |
| 21:16.36 | CM | Hehe |
| 21:16.56 | pavelm | I got maps with moving arrow working on angstrom, anyone interesteD? |
| 21:17.16 | Ghiottone | with what? |
| 21:17.33 | pavelm | ghiottone: moving arrow ("here you are"). |
| 21:17.40 | CM | Cool, but my Neo is still in pieces :-/ |
| 21:17.55 | pavelm | CM: did you try to remove transistor or what? |
| 21:18.11 | pavelm | now... I have one of those neos with too many transistors. |
| 21:18.19 | CM | Hehe, no, just picked it apart a bit to get the jtag attatched |
| 21:18.31 | Ghiottone | uh? CM what happened? |
| 21:18.38 | pavelm | (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/One_transistor_too_many) |
| 21:18.40 | CM | Have to do something about my uboot-env, but I'm always out of time |
| 21:18.44 | SpeedEvil | To make a new ext2 fs - on /media/card - umount , mke2fs /dev/mmcblk0p1, mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/card should work? |
| 21:18.50 | SpeedEvil | because mount says invalid argument |
| 21:19.01 | pavelm | speed: should work. |
| 21:19.14 | CM | maybe set the type on mount? |
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| 21:19.47 | pavelm | Before I start hardware hacking... Is there openmoko version where s2ram works, and incoming call correctly wakes it up? |
| 21:19.55 | SpeedEvil | strace says mount("/dev/mmcblk0p1", "/media/card", "ext2", MS_VERBOSE, "") = -1 ENODEV (No such device |
| 21:20.02 | pavelm | ...I can't test that myself because of too many transistors... |
| 21:20.11 | pavelm | speed: fdisk /dev/mmcblk0? |
| 21:20.21 | CM | pavelm: Hmm.. I think so, but I'm not sure what image it is |
| 21:20.28 | SpeedEvil | strace says mount("/dev/mmcblk0p1", "/media/card", "ext2", MS_VERBOSE, "") = -1 ENODEV (No such device/dev/mmcblk0p1 1 983 495400+ 83 Linux |
| 21:20.34 | CM | mickey|bbl might be around soon and know more |
| 21:20.41 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.44 | SpeedEvil | fdisk says |
| 21:21.05 | pavelm | ...try to trigger partition table rereading by "w". Then look at dmesg if partitions are detected..? |
| 21:21.20 | Ghiottone | SpeedEvil, try rebooting so that the kernel reloads the partition table |
| 21:21.38 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 21:21.44 | SpeedEvil | worth a go |
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| 21:22.14 | pavelm | Is anyone actually using openmoko as a phone these days? |
| 21:22.26 | CM | mjr is, and some more too |
| 21:22.50 | SpeedEvil | It says something that I'm spending >5 min trying to figure this out, rather than actually opening the phone and taking the microSD out. |
| 21:23.03 | Ghiottone | what's the way to set the preferred version of a package? |
| 21:23.22 | Ghiottone | when I try rebuilding navit it always use version 0.0.1 instead of the cvs one |
| 21:23.32 | CM | Ghiottone: As in the sane srcrev thing? |
| 21:23.38 | pavelm | ghiottone: Wow, is there navit for angstrom now? |
| 21:24.06 | Ghiottone | pavelm, yep. at least, it works on the neo with integrated gps |
| 21:24.12 | Ghiottone | cm yes that |
| 21:24.23 | Ghiottone | CM how does it work? |
| 21:24.26 | SpeedEvil | Oh - right pavelm. I suspect that 'ext2' not appearing in /proc/filesystems has something to do with it. |
| 21:24.29 | pavelm | ghiottone: Where do I get a copy? |
| 21:24.35 | pavelm | Speed: I know! |
| 21:24.35 | CM | You can edit a file, have to see where it is |
| 21:24.44 | pavelm | Speed: pass -text3. |
| 21:24.49 | Ghiottone | pavelm, there is a bb file in oe |
| 21:24.57 | Ghiottone | pavelm, try modprobing it |
| 21:25.03 | Ghiottone | pavelm, ops sry |
| 21:25.04 | pavelm | Speed: I bet your kernel does not support ext2. |
| 21:25.12 | Ghiottone | SpeedEvil, try modprobing it |
| 21:25.24 | SpeedEvil | Meh. |
| 21:25.36 | Ghiottone | SpeedEvil, I think ext2 is compiled in as a module |
| 21:26.00 | pavelm | ghiottone: Is there chance of finding navit.ipk somewhere on the net? ;-). |
| 21:26.10 | Ghiottone | pavelm, I can make one for you |
| 21:26.27 | Ghiottone | pavelm, but for the neo. is this what you want? |
| 21:27.10 | pavelm | ghiottone: Yes, that would be very very nice ;-). |
| 21:27.10 | CM | Ghiottone: Maybe you can add a row with a locked version to /home/moko/openembedded/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc |
| 21:27.10 | Ghiottone | 0.0.1? or cvs? |
| 21:27.28 | pavelm | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.39 | SpeedEvil | pavelm: can't see it - oh well, given that I can mkfs it ext3, it doesn't matter so much. |
| 21:27.48 | SpeedEvil | pavelm: ext3 works |
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| 21:28.17 | pavelm | speedEvil: good |
| 21:28.47 | Ghiottone | SpeedEvil, I read somewhere that booting from ext3 works while ext2 doesn't. that could mean that ext3 is compiled in while ext2 has to be modprobed |
| 21:29.03 | SpeedEvil | Ghiottone: the kernel I have has not got a module for ext2 |
| 21:30.30 | Ghiottone | I have one here: fic-gta01:/lib/modules/2.6.22.5-moko11/kernel/fs/ext2 |
| 21:30.42 | Ghiottone | pavelm, build is in progress |
| 21:30.43 | SpeedEvil | Linux fic-gta01 2.6.21.6-moko11 #1 PREEMPT Wed Aug 1 16:51:01 UTC 2007 armv4tl unknown |
| 21:30.59 | Ghiottone | 2.6.21? why? |
| 21:31.12 | pavelm | Ghiottone: Thanks~ |
| 21:31.20 | SpeedEvil | age |
| 21:32.06 | Ghiottone | pavelm, I'll put it in my online repo |
| 21:33.46 | Ghiottone | CM, if in the navit dir there are the 0.0.1, the 0.0.2 and the cvs version, build-package-navit chooses the 0.0.1 |
| 21:34.33 | pavelm | Ghiottone: What is url for the repository? |
| 21:34.49 | Ghiottone | CM if I move away 0.0.1.bb it chooses the cvs one (I think, I'm waiting for the build to complete) |
| 21:35.10 | Ghiottone | pavelm, mmm it is in my wiki userpage (Alessandro) |
| 21:36.38 | pavelm | Thanks, I found it now. |
| 21:36.57 | pavelm | I see "smstool"... does that mean openmoko can be used for sms-es these days? |
| 21:37.06 | pavelm | ...I did my own hacks, but those were really horrible. |
| 21:37.18 | balrog-kun | pavelm: yes, see recent mails on -devel |
| 21:37.24 | Ghiottone | mm it is building tcl tk openssl and python native... I wonder why... |
| 21:37.34 | abraxa_ | pavelm: Actually, openmoko-messages2 is better suited for SMS |
| 21:37.37 | CM | I think it can only recieve from people already in your address book, but besides that it should work |
| 21:37.45 | Ghiottone | pavelm, smstool is a program from Christian. there is an official app now I think |
| 21:38.42 | Ghiottone | yes that one |
| 21:38.49 | Ghiottone | did not try it yet myself |
| 21:39.47 | pavelm | I see... SMS is not optional in my country. |
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| 21:42.35 | Ghiottone | pavelm, navit should be there now |
| 21:43.02 | Ghiottone | pavelm, let me know if you are missing some packages |
| 21:47.39 | pavelm | Uhuh, I seem to be missing gtk+-fastscaling (>= 2.10.14) ... I guess I should not be installing it over angstrom? |
| 21:49.30 | Ghiottone | do you want me to upload that one too? or do you want to try -force-depends? |
| 21:50.24 | pavelm | if you have that one handy, uploading it is probably easier |
| 21:51.33 | pavelm | balrog: well, asking him to push other people's patches is probably bit much. |
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| 21:52.12 | balrog-kun | pavelm: push into openmoko tree? why? |
| 21:52.23 | balrog-kun | and if the patches fix issues in his own code? |
| 21:52.30 | pavelm | balrog: I meant "pushing to linus". |
| 21:52.52 | pavelm | balrog: Well, when the patches fix issues in his own code... he should apply them, yes. |
| 21:53.29 | balrog-kun | also most of the patches come from long before LaF0rge stopped being the official maintainer for these components |
| 21:54.52 | pavelm | balrog: Okay, he should push those patches too, then. |
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| 21:55.59 | Ghiottone | pavelm, gtk+-fastscaling should be there too |
| 21:56.36 | pavelm | ...actually he'll have to do that, as Linus will not take known-broken patches. |
| 21:57.13 | ewon | realtime map of people editing wikipedia: http://www.lkozma.net/wpv/index.html |
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| 21:57.55 | balrog-kun | pavelm: it's hard to know soemthing is known-broken without hours of search through bugzilla and list archives |
| 21:58.36 | pavelm | Ghiottone: Thanks! ...gtk+-fastscalling will not install because gtk+ is already installed, hmm... So I'll try force-depends. |
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| 22:00.15 | Ghiottone | pavelm, I think one replaces the other |
| 22:00.21 | pavelm | balrog: Well, let's see what happens. |
| 22:00.30 | thos | pavelm: it does |
| 22:00.42 | thos | pavelm: remove gtk+ first with --force-depends |
| 22:01.10 | pavelm | thos: But that means I'll completely break the packaging system, right? |
| 22:01.25 | thos | pavelm: not really, ipkg is pretty broken to start with ;-) |
| 22:01.33 | thos | pavelm: what's the issue? |
| 22:02.39 | pavelm | thos: I mean -- I'll have half of system depekding on gtk+, which is no longer there if I do that. |
| 22:02.57 | thos | pavelm: yes, but you are just about to install gtk+-fastscaling |
| 22:03.10 | thos | pavelm: to be honest though, there is only one line difference in the two packages |
| 22:03.15 | pavelm | Ghiottone: navit seems to be linked with libgps.so.16, which is missing. |
| 22:03.21 | thos | pavelm: it won't make the slightest bit of difference |
| 22:03.27 | Ghiottone | ewon, that's amazing! it's like seeing neuronal cell activating in a world sized brain |
| 22:04.13 | pavelm | thos: I just installed navit using force... if there's almost no difference, that should work. |
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| 22:04.29 | thos | pavelm: what's navit, and why is it not working? |
| 22:04.46 | Ghiottone | pavelm, I'll upload that one too |
| 22:04.54 | pavelm | thanks, ghiottone! |
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| 22:05.14 | pavelm | thos: navit is vector map/routing application. |
| 22:05.39 | thos | pavelm: ok, seems like you have some other depends missing anyway |
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| 22:08.00 | Ghiottone | pavelm, should be there |
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| 22:09.09 | Ghiottone | hello emmc |
| 22:10.04 | emmc | hi Ghiottone |
| 22:10.22 | Ghiottone | are you from italy? |
| 22:10.58 | pavelm | ghiottone: I'm blind, libgps16 was already available from angstrom. And navit seems to work now. Thanks! |
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| 22:11.27 | Ghiottone | pavelm, great :) |
| 22:12.22 | pavelm | ...which means I'll no longer have to worry about rendering OSM maps. Given that czech republic is 7MB total, I can just put all the vector data there. Good! |
| 22:12.41 | bmk789 | is the Atheros AR600x 802.11g, b, or a? |
| 22:12.58 | mjr | g |
| 22:13.04 | bmk789 | ty |
| 22:13.22 | SpeedEvil | pavelm: you're just caching tiles? |
| 22:13.37 | Ghiottone | pavelm, how does it work? |
| 22:13.59 | pavelm | SpeedEvil: I normally download tiles at hope, and use them using pygps on openmoko |
| 22:14.32 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 22:14.45 | pavelm | Ghiottone: For navit on PC, I just downloaded part of planet.osm, converted it to navit's vector format, and used that. |
| 22:15.08 | pavelm | mjr: I was told you are actually using openmoko for calls. What's "known good" version? |
| 22:15.19 | Ghiottone | I downloaded a tile from osm that just contained my area and converted to navit |
| 22:15.27 | Ghiottone | but I could do only for a small box |
| 22:15.40 | pavelm | mjr: I'd like to do hw hack to remove the "one extra transistor".. but having sw working first would be nice. |
| 22:15.44 | Ghiottone | is there way to get the whole italy, for exmaple? |
| 22:15.51 | abraxa_ | mjr: The 2007.11 snapshot is good |
| 22:15.59 | mjr | I use a scaredycat 200711071040, afraid to update :] |
| 22:16.02 | abraxa_ | err pavelm |
| 22:16.14 | SpeedEvil | Ghiottone: I have a trivial script that downloads tiles of OSM that you can then load into JOSM, merge, and save. |
| 22:16.29 | pavelm | Ghiottone: There's planet.osm somewhere. And for czech republic, someone provides filtered czech-republic.osm |
| 22:16.43 | pavelm | Ghiottone: You could probably download planet.osm and do filtering yourself. |
| 22:16.50 | Ghiottone | pavelm, I have downloaded it already |
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| 22:16.58 | Ghiottone | how do I do the filtering? |
| 22:17.11 | nelson | Is anybody else relying on agg? |
| 22:17.26 | pavelm | abraxa: Do you mean "Sleep works, and incoming call will wake it"? Good. |
| 22:17.31 | nelson | I'm curious, because it doesn't build. |
| 22:18.03 | SpeedEvil | Ghiottone: http://www.mauve.plus.com/getmap |
| 22:18.08 | OJW | http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/osm-extract/planetosm-excerpt-area.pl |
| 22:18.09 | abraxa_ | pavelm: Don't put words into my mouth ;) - and I haven't tested it so no clue |
| 22:18.10 | SpeedEvil | Ghiottone: http://www.mauve.plus.com/dogetmap |
| 22:18.26 | SpeedEvil | Ghiottone: this outputs several stitched-together tiles downloaded from the API |
| 22:18.43 | CIA-14 | 03andrew * r3582 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ (hw/boards.h hw/neo1973.c vl.c): Add a paravirtual GTA02-like machine based on GTA01 + GPS. |
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| 22:18.50 | SpeedEvil | Ghiottone: it's only really usable for a couple of degrees by a couple of degrees though |
| 22:19.23 | pavelm | Ghiotton: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Planet.osm#Extracts ... see "steps to clip..." |
| 22:19.49 | Ghiottone | wow! lots of things! thanks all! |
| 22:21.05 | pavelm | Ok... I probably have new enough software in phase1 openmoko.. so I guess I'll attempt transistor-sectomy. |
| 22:21.34 | SpeedEvil | got the tools? |
| 22:21.51 | pavelm | speed: Got someone who has them... and claims that it should be easy. |
| 22:21.57 | SpeedEvil | should be |
| 22:22.11 | SpeedEvil | if the transistor is outside the can, or the can can be removed easily |
| 22:22.35 | pavelm | phase1 that can't sleep is about as good as phase0, so I do not have much to loose. |
| 22:22.45 | pavelm | can == shielding? |
| 22:23.28 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 22:23.36 | SpeedEvil | there were reports that some were not openable |
| 22:24.05 | pavelm | I guess I'll find out within a week. |
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| 22:25.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1095 has been created by milo_casagrande(AT)yahoo.it |
| 22:25.01 | cdbot2 | * * Calculator isn't using LINGUAS |
| 22:25.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1095 |
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| 22:26.27 | Ghiottone | where do I get the official 2007.11 snapshot? |
| 22:30.42 | abraxa_ | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/ |
| 22:31.15 | Ghiottone | mmm thanks. I should have look there by myself :P |
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| 22:38.24 | pavelm | ...so navit actually works (slowly) for me with map of czechia. Good. |
| 22:38.52 | nelson | pavelm: excellent! |
| 22:40.08 | AVee | Thats cool. |
| 22:40.13 | Ghiottone | great :) |
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| 22:40.55 | AVee | How slow is it, good enough to hope for proper performance on the gta02? |
| 22:42.51 | mwester | BogoMIPS : 132.71 |
| 22:42.58 | pavelm | AVee: it depends on zoom level. If I zoom out to see whole country, it gets slow. |
| 22:43.02 | mwester | I expect the GTA02 will be faster. |
| 22:43.12 | mwester | :P |
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| 22:43.15 | pavelm | I'll try to use it for real and will see. |
| 22:43.32 | pavelm | Hello, RoboPhread. Are you a robot? |
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| 22:44.17 | pavelm | ...yes, I expect it to be fully usable on openmoko |
| 22:44.21 | pavelm | robot attack? |
| 22:44.23 | AVee | Cute, especially since I happen to live in a country with full openstreetmap coverage :) |
| 22:44.36 | pavelm | AVee: where should I move to? ;-) |
| 22:44.43 | AVee | Netherlands... |
| 22:44.47 | Ghiottone | pavelm, mm I use ircatwork from ... work |
| 22:44.48 | AVee | Thanks to AND |
| 22:45.12 | alphaone | AVee: Ah, mapping yourself is fun, too. :-) |
| 22:45.22 | tonyg | anyone know off the top of their heads what the AT command for sending DTMF during a call is? |
| 22:45.38 | pavelm | AVee: I do not think "full coverage" exists. You can still map paths in woods ;-) |
| 22:45.53 | AVee | Well, there's some work left, my home is not (yet) on the map for starters. |
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| 22:46.18 | pavelm | We did import of motorways / 1st class / 2nd class roads, so czechia has quite a good coverage, too. |
| 22:47.00 | AVee | That should be enough to make it at least usefull. |
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| 22:47.45 | SpeedEvil | Is there a 'open GPRS' app on the currentish images? |
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| 22:49.41 | pavelm | speed: I have some scripts... |
| 22:49.51 | SpeedEvil | I have some scripts too. :) |
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| 22:50.14 | Ghiottone | SpeedEvil, settings gui has a gprs panel |
| 22:50.35 | pavelm | speed: I guessed so :-). But mine connect over bluetooth to nokia 6151 because that actually has UMTS ;-) |
| 22:51.50 | DukeOfURL | I'm trying to connect with T-Mobile (US) and no joy. |
| 22:52.06 | Ghiottone | 850MHz issue? |
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| 22:52.36 | DukeOfURL | No, voice works. |
| 22:52.44 | Hortinstein | u think t-mobile will work with furture versions? |
| 22:53.16 | SpeedEvil | Ghiottone: where is the settings panel? |
| 22:53.44 | Ghiottone | SpeedEvil, no, it is a separate application. SettingsGUI |
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| 22:58.57 | nelson | Anybody here have commit privs? |
| 22:59.45 | thos | nelson: why? |
| 22:59.50 | thos | nelson: and to what ;-) |
| 23:00.16 | nelson | agg doesn't install its libraries in staging. |
| 23:00.32 | nelson | There's a patch in bugzilla which fixes the .bb file. |
| 23:00.50 | DukeOfURL | Ghiottone: where can we find SettingsGUI? |
| 23:01.04 | Hortinstein | Hi all, this is my first time here. I am a Computer Science student at Washington State University, and a future consumer user for OpenMoko, though I hope to develop some apps in the future. I should have probably been hanging out here a while back since I am running www.mobilemoko.net and have been looking for any news and information about OpenMoko. Just thought I would stop in and introduce myself. I haven't purchased a Neo1973 yet, I am |
| 23:02.33 | thos | nelson: you mean to the monotone repositor |
| 23:02.39 | thos | nelson: ask XorA tomorrow |
| 23:03.08 | nelson | k |
| 23:04.40 | Ghiottone | DukeOfURL, if you search for it in the wiki you'll find its page. an ipkg package is available from my repo (Alessandro's userpage on the wiki) |
| 23:05.02 | abraxa_ | Heya Hortinstein! Welcome aboard and feel free to end your sentence :) |
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| 23:07.33 | ahven | hi, does anyone have u-boot-gta01bv3-r8_70124c2602ae2d4c5d3dba05b482d91548242de8_0_2040.bin in their archives? |
| 23:07.44 | ahven | not listed on the websites anymore |
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| 23:12.55 | abraxa_ | ahven: Just to make sure - you're 100% positive you want a GTA01Bv3 u-boot? |
| 23:13.48 | Hortinstein | abraxa: thanks, this looks like the good place to be for moko updates haha, I just hope we get our hands on GTA02 soon. |
| 23:14.01 | ahven | yes, the text in the bootloader says so "U-Boot 1.2.0-moko9_r8_70124...._0_2040" |
| 23:14.35 | ahven | accidentally flashed the u-boot with kernel..stupid copy&paste habit |
| 23:14.45 | Hortinstein | has anyone done any major python programming in OpenMoko? |
| 23:15.00 | ahven | but haven't done any restarts to it yet, so all hope is not lost |
| 23:15.14 | abraxa_ | ahven: Hmm... did you get the Neo from a Phase0 dev or are you one? Just wondering and trying to make sure you don't brick your device by flashing the wrong u-boot |
| 23:15.32 | Ghiottone | Hortinstein, major as in what? there are a couple of apps. SettingsGUI for example is written in python |
| 23:15.44 | ahven | abraxa_: nope, got it from a friend |
| 23:16.04 | ahven | Starting download: [##################################################dfu_download error -110 |
| 23:16.04 | ahven | ] finished! |
| 23:16.04 | ahven | unable to read DFU status |
| 23:16.23 | ahven | tried the latest 01bv3 flashes |
| 23:16.26 | ahven | and this comes up |
| 23:16.34 | ahven | then have to replug the usb |
| 23:16.44 | ahven | in order to establish connection |
| 23:16.45 | Hortinstein | I was just curious about the viability of programming embedded apps in python. I want to do a GPS profile setting manager, and a few other custom apps, and was curious how the hardware libraries are |
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| 23:17.09 | abraxa_ | ahven: Does your Neo say it's a Bv3 on a label underneath the cover? |
| 23:17.50 | pavelm | navit now works including gps connection... good. |
| 23:17.55 | ahven | 08.06 and 8.04 |
| 23:18.07 | ahven | nothing more written behind the cover |
| 23:18.31 | ahven | and can't remove the battery to check under there |
| 23:18.39 | ahven | will brick instantly |
| 23:18.55 | abraxa_ | ahven: No date code, serial or anything else? And no debug board? |
| 23:19.01 | pavelm | Hortinstein: I have mokomenu running under python... and pygps, which is actually non-trivial |
| 23:19.12 | ahven | no debug code |
| 23:19.13 | pavelm | Hortinstein: Unless you are writing action game, python is probably okay. |
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| 23:19.17 | ahven | board* |
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| 23:19.22 | pavelm | (see www.sf.net/projects/tui) |
| 23:19.25 | abraxa_ | ahven: I'm being so doubtful because there should be about 50 Phase0 Neos around and it's extremely unlikely that you got one imo |
| 23:19.36 | Hortinstein | cool, good to hear :) |
| 23:19.55 | abraxa_ | Bv3 Phase0, I mean |
| 23:20.40 | pavelm | abraxa: Actually, there's like 37 phase0 around, with ~13 still in FIC hq, no? |
| 23:20.45 | ahven | abraxa_: Phase0 was on sale? |
| 23:20.52 | SpeedEvil | qah: no |
| 23:20.53 | SpeedEvil | ah: |
| 23:20.55 | ahven | friend told me that he bought it |
| 23:20.57 | pavelm | abraxa: They should wait 2 years, then do a big auction. |
| 23:21.02 | SpeedEvil | ahven: it was not officially for sale. |
| 23:21.08 | pavelm | ahven: I can sell you one for $10000000 |
| 23:21.10 | SpeedEvil | ahven: people given them may have sold them |
| 23:21.12 | Hortinstein | well you guys arn't exactly the kind of user I expect to go to my website, its more directed towards the less technically inclined, but I am hoping to post a lot of good guides and information when I get GTA02. The URL is http://mobilemoko.net |
| 23:21.15 | abraxa_ | ahven: If he bought it then it's definitely Bv4, meaning a Bv3 u-boot won't work |
| 23:21.21 | ahven | well, he told me that he bought it |
| 23:21.23 | ahven | ok |
| 23:21.31 | SpeedEvil | Hortinstein: likely to be several months yet |
| 23:21.46 | Hortinstein | yeah i understand, but that will give me time to get a decent community following |
| 23:21.49 | thos | ahven: it's easy to check which version |
| 23:21.50 | ahven | u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+git8993e54b6f397973794f3d6f47d3b3c0c98dd4f6+svn20070819-r0.bin 19-Aug-2007 23:12 206K << this _should_ wrk then? |
| 23:21.59 | thos | ahven: there is a sticker behind the back panel |
| 23:22.04 | Hortinstein | only around 50-200 hits a day |
| 23:22.29 | ahven | watching it...only two sets of number: 08.06 and 8.04 |
| 23:22.33 | Hortinstein | I am hoping to establish it before consumers are getting there hands on it |
| 23:22.41 | Hortinstein | (it being GTA02) |
| 23:22.49 | thos | ahven: if there isn't a sticker, there is a label on the pcb |
| 23:22.57 | abraxa_ | ahven: Yes, though a more recent one would be better. http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+git3e66c078003607a7d1d214c15a5f262bc1b4032f+svn20070829-r2.bin for example |
| 23:23.06 | ahven | abraxa_: ok, will try |
| 23:23.14 | thos | ahven: do you have a debug board? |
| 23:23.15 | mwester | ahven: what is the prompt you get when you connect to u-boot (terminal session)? |
| 23:23.23 | ahven | thos: nope |
| 23:23.31 | thos | ahven: if you don't have a debug board DO NOT flash uboot |
| 23:23.34 | abraxa_ | thos: His Neo is already bricked but alive on battery so it's not like he has a choice :) |
| 23:23.41 | thos | oh |
| 23:23.43 | ahven | thos: accidentally happened |
| 23:23.49 | ahven | wasn't planning on it |
| 23:23.58 | thos | if it's already bricked, then how will you flash it? |
| 23:24.07 | thos | ahven: does uboot load at all then? |
| 23:24.08 | ahven | I haven't rebooted it yet |
| 23:24.22 | thos | ahven: how do you know it's bricked? |
| 23:24.33 | abraxa_ | thos: He flashed a Bv3 u-boot |
| 23:24.40 | ahven | thos: well, I overwrote u-boot with the kernel image |
| 23:24.40 | thos | well, that was silly :-) |
| 23:24.47 | abraxa_ | ..or that |
| 23:24.47 | thos | ahven: oops! |
| 23:25.15 | metzenas | can't you check the hardware revision from /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 23:25.18 | pavelm | thos: What uboot do you want. |
| 23:25.21 | Ghiottone | probably the uboot env is done too |
| 23:25.25 | pavelm | I have both phase 0 and phase 1 versions. |
| 23:25.26 | Ghiottone | s/done/gone/ |
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| 23:26.26 | Ghiottone | metzenas, he is in the uboot environment. if he leaves it he'll never get it back |
| 23:26.38 | ahven | yes! |
| 23:26.40 | metzenas | ok |
| 23:26.45 | ahven | state(2) = dfuIDLE, status(0) = No error condition is present |
| 23:26.53 | ahven | seems like a promising sign |
| 23:27.14 | mwester | Can you connect to uboot via a term emulator? |
| 23:27.15 | abraxa_ | Yay :) |
| 23:27.29 | metzenas | I thought userspace... should get some sleep :) |
| 23:27.48 | abraxa_ | ahven: Don't reboot yet, please |
| 23:28.14 | ahven | not planning |
| 23:28.16 | abraxa_ | ahven: Try connecting to u-boot using cu/screen/whatever so you can have a look at the u-boot env and save it |
| 23:28.33 | abraxa_ | e.g. screen /dev/ttyACM0 |
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| 23:30.13 | ahven | Environment size: 1075/16380 bytes |
| 23:30.17 | ahven | saveenv then? |
| 23:31.25 | abraxa_ | mwester: Do you agree when I say that he can just save the environment the current u-boot has in mem? |
| 23:33.56 | abraxa_ | ahven: I take that as a yes, so go ahead :) |
| 23:34.09 | abraxa_ | Also, have a look at the environment with "printenv" after saving it |
| 23:34.21 | ahven | just had a look |
| 23:34.23 | abraxa_ | Just to make sure it looks sane |
| 23:34.44 | abraxa_ | Compared it with http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader_commands#Environment , yes? |
| 23:35.18 | ahven | yep |
| 23:35.37 | abraxa_ | Alrighty |
| 23:36.14 | abraxa_ | In that case I'd say you're good to go, though before that I want to hear a second opinion just to make sure I didn't forget anything (it's 1:30am after all) |
| 23:37.28 | ahven | no hurrys yet, updating kernel & root as well, as I intended in the first place |
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| 23:39.01 | ahven | one thing was weird though |
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| 23:39.56 | abraxa_ | Which? |
| 23:40.12 | ahven | Connected. |
| 23:40.13 | ahven | DEVICE_CONFIGURED: 1 |
| 23:40.13 | ahven | Enabling automatic fast charge |
| 23:40.13 | ahven | NAND erase: device 0 offset 0x2e4000, size 0x3d1c000 |
| 23:40.13 | ahven | OK |
| 23:40.13 | ahven | GTA01Bv4 # ~. |
| 23:40.38 | pavelm | ahven: I'd seriously flash uboot ASAP. You are probably running on battery power... when your battery runs dry, you have a brick. |
| 23:40.38 | ahven | after "fast charge" it stopped, and after pressing enter is displayed that erasing message |
| 23:41.06 | pavelm | So it identifies as GTA01Bv4? |
| 23:41.18 | pavelm | ...then take phase1 uboot and flash it. |
| 23:41.21 | ahven | v3 didn't flash on that device |
| 23:41.27 | ahven | and v4 did instantly |
| 23:41.53 | ahven | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+git3e66c078003607a7d1d214c15a5f262bc1b4032f+svn20070829-r2.bin is currently flashed |
| 23:42.04 | pavelm | good. so you are actually safe...? |
| 23:42.10 | abraxa_ | ahven: It might've noticed that the check sum of the u-boot env is off and erased it |
| 23:42.21 | SpeedEvil | Can anything on the phone GUI tell me the phone number? |
| 23:42.31 | ahven | abraxa_: thought of something like that |
| 23:43.14 | ahven | is it regenerated on boot? |
| 23:43.31 | pavelm | speed: I do not think so. |
| 23:43.49 | SpeedEvil | oh well. |
| 23:44.08 | pavelm | speed; You can just call me, and I'll tell you ;-) |
| 23:44.48 | abraxa_ | ahven: You saved the env after that memory area was erased, right? |
| 23:45.04 | ahven | yup |
| 23:46.47 | abraxa_ | ahven: What does "dynenv set" say? |
| 23:46.53 | abraxa_ | err |
| 23:46.53 | abraxa_ | get |
| 23:46.56 | abraxa_ | Gah |
| 23:47.41 | ahven | 0x00040000 |
| 23:48.50 | ahven | erasing nand of rootfs isn't required, when the new image is bigger than the last, right? |
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| 23:49.49 | SpeedEvil | as long as you haven't touched the fs |
| 23:49.54 | abraxa_ | ahven: Nope, and if the u-boot you just flashed works on reboot you won't have to worry about that anymore |
| 23:49.57 | SpeedEvil | if you've installed extra stuff, hten yes |
| 23:49.57 | pavelm | ahven: That, or with recent uboots. That particular bug was fixed. |
| 23:50.22 | ahven | oh |
| 23:50.39 | ahven | info in wiki is outdated then? |
| 23:50.41 | Ghiottone | ahven, but even if you flashed a recent uboot, you have to reboot in order to run the fixed version |
| 23:50.49 | abraxa_ | ahven: Do a dynpart followed by a saveenv please |
| 23:51.05 | ahven | will do after rootfs flash |
| 23:51.36 | abraxa_ | okay |
| 23:51.39 | Ghiottone | does dynpart rewrite the partition table? |
| 23:51.53 | abraxa_ | Ghiottone: Yes, and that's a Good Thing to do for him :) |
| 23:51.59 | Ghiottone | if it does, then probably rootfs will have to be reflashed |
| 23:52.04 | Ghiottone | abraxa_, yeah I agree |
| 23:52.27 | ahven | so, I should abort the rootfs flash? |
| 23:52.32 | abraxa_ | In theory the partition table should not change anyway |
| 23:52.55 | abraxa_ | ahven: You have nothing to lose, so just let it finish and see if it works later |
| 23:53.00 | ahven | ok |
| 23:53.39 | ahven | is the GSM working on the latest versions btw? |
| 23:53.54 | SpeedEvil | ahven: I've recently flashed: |
| 23:54.02 | SpeedEvil | openmoko-november-snapshot.rootfs.tar.gz |
| 23:54.13 | SpeedEvil | and it makes calls for me |
| 23:54.21 | ahven | so it should work, in theory |
| 23:54.43 | abraxa_ | Unless you hit the 3G bug or live in a 850MHz area, yeah :) |
| 23:54.59 | ahven | US is far away from here :P |
| 23:55.06 | abraxa_ | hehe okay |
| 23:55.27 | abraxa_ | What country are you in btw? |
| 23:55.30 | ahven | Estonia |
| 23:56.17 | abraxa_ | Eh... okay... finding a debug board there might be rather... difficult |
| 23:56.30 | ahven | yup :) |
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| 23:56.56 | pavelm | ahven: but you could use it as an excuse to visit Prague ;-) |
| 23:57.00 | ahven | hehe |
| 23:57.17 | DukeOfURL | Ghiottone: ping |
| 23:57.42 | ahven | have to look into BT networking later |
| 23:57.56 | ahven | would love to use the net through my 6120C |
| 23:58.15 | metzenas | ahven, does your nick mean a certain type of fish in estonian also? at least in finnish it does :) |
| 23:58.18 | Ghiottone | DukeOfURL, pong |
| 23:58.23 | ahven | metzenas: yep :) |
| 23:59.34 | DukeOfURL | I have the Neo attached to a USB port on OS/X Leopard. During ipkg install SettingsGUI, libpython, OS/X crashes. Very strange... |
