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| 01:00.35 | josch | roh, omg entering my sim and autoregistering REALLY WORKS with 2007.11 !! I'm really, really impressed! |
| 01:00.59 | Kero | dot eleven? |
| 01:01.05 | josch | but therefor sound doesn't work but who wants to hear something anyway ^^ |
| 01:01.46 | josch | Kero, no, the november snapshot here: http://downloads.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.11/images/ |
| 01:03.09 | Kero | well. if ipkg upgrade still has nothing, I might as well try that. |
| 01:03.28 | Kero | broken for all practical purposes, atm, anyway... :( |
| 01:04.35 | Kero | (it's december!) |
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| 01:33.12 | Kero | and for the umpteenth time, get $%^&* rid of psplash. Once more, I have no ssh, no X and no clue what's wrong because I can not bloody see the console |
| 01:33.48 | josch | +1 to that |
| 01:37.20 | mwester-road | Kero: you can set an option in your bootargs to disable it, or you can just delete the psplash file in /etc/init.d if it boots up. |
| 01:39.58 | Kero | in bootargs? How does that reach init scripts? |
| 01:43.19 | sid | Is there a public release schedule for GTA02 on the website? |
| 01:48.00 | Kero | mwester-road: searching on uboot or psplash on the wiki gives me zilch. which arg should I set? |
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| 01:51.31 | Kero | mwester-road: searching on uboot or psplash on the wiki gives me zilch. which arg should I set? |
| 01:52.04 | Kero | is it me? |
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| 01:54.57 | mwester-road | Kero: standard linux kernel feature - the command line can be parsed by scripts. Check the logic in /etc/init.d/psplash |
| 01:55.38 | Kero | mwester-road: can't check it, I have no ssh, no X and no console |
| 01:56.12 | Kero | it has happened before, with different openmoko images. It is rather annoying. |
| 01:56.20 | mwester-road | Then you'll just have to trust me until you get it booted up :P :D |
| 01:57.38 | Kero | erm. I can do setenv bootargs to about any random value in uboot. Just which particular value wil cause psplash to die? |
| 01:58.15 | Kero | and now some openmomko commitlog killed iceweasel/firefox |
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| 02:04.57 | mmontour | Kero: try "psplash=false" in bootargs |
| 02:08.05 | mwester-road | ^^^ what mmontour said. (sorry, I'm doing way too many things at once here) |
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| 02:12.02 | Kero | will try. Why does "Set console to USB" not seem to work, btw? |
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| 02:19.00 | Kero | timeout while populating /dev |
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| 02:19.22 | Kero | bunch of GConf errors, causing some openmoko-*2 postinst scripts to fail |
| 02:19.46 | balrog-kun | read-only / ? |
| 02:20.50 | Kero | handful of jffs2 errors, #Truncating ino #1328 to 709544 bytes failed because it only had 37533 bytes to start with!" |
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| 02:21.07 | Kero | (an indoe with 375339 bytes??) |
| 02:21.48 | Kero | balrog-kun: possibly. it said remounting / somewhere, but that scrolled out of my screen... |
| 02:23.06 | balrog-kun | i backup and reflash everytime there are too many jffs2 errors |
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| 02:24.16 | Kero | just reflashed |
| 02:24.32 | Kero | and trust me, after all these months, I've *nothing* to back up :(((((((((( |
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| 02:27.09 | balrog-kun | i normally have a couple of changes in /etc but otherwise also nothing to back up |
| 02:27.10 | Kero | what's the tty to dump console to USB ? |
| 02:27.39 | balrog-kun | u-boot console? |
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| 02:28.28 | Kero | this stdin/stdout/stderr trick isn't doing anything. I now managed to get no console on Neo, by setting console=ttySAC0 instead of console=tty0 |
| 02:30.34 | Kero | kernel/linux console, rather (which I want to set within u-boot) |
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| 02:33.33 | balrog-kun | under linux you have ethernet over USB, not console |
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| 02:37.29 | Kero | udevsynthesize: permission denied |
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| 02:40.42 | mwester-road | Kero: have you been doing the nand erase rootfs bit when you reflash the rootfs? |
| 02:41.29 | Kero | mwester-road: good point. No, I didn't... It's been too long since I did *anything* with my Neo, apparently. |
| 02:42.03 | daMaestro | hmm.. well not erasing (assuming you don't have the new uboot) caused me lots of issues |
| 02:42.28 | daMaestro | so, make sure to erase the kernel and rootfs nand blocks before flashing |
| 02:43.00 | daMaestro | iirc, the new uboot will automatically erase the blocks you are flashing |
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| 02:43.09 | Kero | no new uboot (yet) |
| 02:43.12 | daMaestro | so if you have a jtag board, you should flash uboot also |
| 02:43.31 | daMaestro | i've still not flashed my uboot because i don't know anyone local that has a jtag board |
| 02:43.52 | Kero | no jtag board, either. Anyone in NYC have one? |
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| 02:46.40 | balrog-kun | no need to erase the kernel partition |
| 02:47.10 | daMaestro | why not? |
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| 02:48.45 | Kero | uboot reads the kernel, not a single byte more than necessary |
| 02:49.02 | daMaestro | i see |
| 02:49.19 | daMaestro | i still erase it.. it's one more command ;-) |
| 02:50.40 | balrog-kun | right, and then kernel decompresses itself also only the programmed size |
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| 02:51.43 | balrog-kun | it's only significant for jffs2 partitions because of the jffs2 braindead design |
| 02:52.05 | Kero | yes |
| 02:53.40 | Kero | now you did it, you scared dwmw away with your insult about jffs2 ! |
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| 03:00.34 | Kero | that helps. |
| 03:00.53 | Kero | booted succesfully. SIM connected to T-mobile network. |
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| 03:01.45 | Kero | dialer <-> dbus does not get anywhere, tho |
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| 03:09.00 | balrog-kun | sowwy |
| 03:17.46 | CIA-14 | 03andrew * r3555 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ (60 files in 8 dirs): |
| 03:17.46 | CIA-14 | Pull changes from cvs.savannah.nongnu.org. |
| 03:17.46 | CIA-14 | Bring snapshotting in sync with the -drive infrastructure. |
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| 03:41.42 | Kero | right. SIM seems to work (I can call my Neo from my other (foreign) cellphone), but calling from Neo eludes me. |
| 03:44.07 | readon | how would i find which files are not in monotone's control? |
| 03:46.12 | mwester-road | cd openembedded; mtn list changed; mtn list unknown |
| 03:46.42 | readon | thanks |
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| 04:43.57 | Kero | http://chmeee.dyndns.org/om/todo-entry.png |
| 04:44.41 | Kero | some ruby+glade stuff on the Neo. Had to cut out the About Dialog, since it prevented the app from starting (weird) |
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| 05:39.19 | linuxxr | are we there yet? |
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| 05:44.28 | linuxxr | so u need to send a finished phone to a random cellphone newb u know,,,, like ME to test this thing just to make sure its newbert friendly |
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| 05:46.22 | cjb_ie | linuxxr: join the back of the queue :) |
| 05:48.47 | linuxxr | i wonder if facial hair messes up the touch screen any? |
| 05:52.32 | Sup3rkiddo | anyone having problems building qemu.... |
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| 06:04.20 | xzcvczx | Sup3rkiddo: everyone has numerous problems building qemu |
| 06:04.55 | Sup3rkiddo | xzcvczx: heh, borking at some neon stuff |
| 06:06.39 | xzcvczx | nnpiggy: ping |
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| 07:02.25 | CM | ~lart psplash |
| 07:02.25 | apt | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down psplash's throat until psplash puts on 150lbs |
| 07:02.41 | CM | Still broken :( |
| 07:09.44 | CM | ? :) |
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| 07:16.20 | CM | Pressure sensors? |
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| 07:16.25 | xzcvczx | yup |
| 07:17.07 | xzcvczx | you know things that can interface with the neo and with some programming tell you the pressure or with some calculation your altitude |
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| 07:17.24 | CM | Sure :) |
| 07:17.28 | CIA-14 | 03tick * r3556 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/libgsmd/libgsmd_passthrough.c: gsmd: libgsmd-tool will crash under atcmd mode (sean_chiang) |
| 07:17.55 | xzcvczx | so why the ? |
| 07:18.09 | CM | I mean, why do you want that on a phone? |
| 07:18.20 | xzcvczx | for an altimeter app |
| 07:18.21 | CM | What kind of project? Climbing? |
| 07:18.34 | xzcvczx | thats currently paused while i am working too hard |
| 07:18.40 | xzcvczx | falling |
| 07:18.58 | CM | Ah, ok :) |
| 07:19.24 | CM | I'm too busy too and it sucks |
| 07:19.36 | CM | Moving across the country too at the same time |
| 07:19.40 | xzcvczx | yeah |
| 07:19.53 | xzcvczx | im just working 6 13hr days a week til the 24th |
| 07:21.00 | CM | Fun.. |
| 07:21.26 | CM | Hope you're getting can take that overtime out as holidays later |
| 07:22.09 | CM | I'm quitting my job here, and they're not letting me take the 15 days vacation I still haven't used.. |
| 07:22.33 | CIA-14 | 03tick * r3557 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (5 files in 5 dirs): gsmd: Provide Current Call status (sean_chiang) |
| 07:24.06 | cjb_ie | CM: are they legally allowed to do that? |
| 07:24.19 | CIA-14 | 03tick * r3558 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/ext_response.c: gsmd: make extrsp_parse() can take care another input (sean_chiang) |
| 07:25.05 | CM | cjb_ie: Yes, but they have to give me money for it instead |
| 07:25.31 | cjb_ie | oh, i thought you meant they weren't giving you the money either |
| 07:26.59 | blindcoder | moin |
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| 07:49.22 | readon | it seems that psplash could fit header file automatically by distroname. |
| 07:49.25 | readon | it seems that psplash could fit header file automatically by distroname. |
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| 07:49.52 | readon | would it be seperated by machine name? |
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| 07:50.40 | readon | is it also applicable to fit header by machine? how? |
| 07:56.56 | NineX | hm who is building official snapshots? |
| 07:57.27 | CM | NineX: The 2007.11 and 2007.8 were built by mickey|bbiab :) |
| 07:58.10 | NineX | CM: any idea why in official snapshots rootfs is not published as tar |
| 07:58.19 | NineX | ? |
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| 07:58.44 | CM | NineX: Probably just so that no one will flash it |
| 07:58.54 | NineX | building openmoko using makefile is a horror |
| 07:58.59 | CM | Ask mickeyl and I'm sure he'll put it somewhere you can get it |
| 07:59.13 | esben | What is the plan with this new monotone.openmoko.org database? |
| 07:59.35 | CM | NineX: It was good for almost tow months, but the last few days seems it's been as bad as in september |
| 07:59.44 | CM | s/tow/two |
| 07:59.51 | esben | Will there be community submits to montone.openmoko.org, or should they go more directly to monotone.openembedded.org |
| 08:00.17 | NineX | CM: 6 hours wait, to se an error that some patches cant download |
| 08:00.21 | CM | esben: I think monotone.openmoko is supposed to be the stable repo |
| 08:00.37 | CM | NineX: Yes, the first build is a pain, and they're working on that too |
| 08:00.56 | CM | NineX: The plan is to provide a downloadable toolchain |
| 08:01.07 | NineX | CM: there sholud be implemented some "fetch-sources" |
| 08:01.23 | CM | Oh, there is |
| 08:01.40 | NineX | CM: like in gentoo portage "emerge --fetch somethink" |
| 08:01.41 | CM | make fetch-all or something like that |
| 08:01.53 | CM | brb |
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| 08:02.38 | esben | CM: yes, I understand and appreciate having a stable repo for OM. Just wondering who will be be responsible for merging between montone.openmoko.org and monotone.openembedded.org. |
| 08:02.55 | NineX | CM make clean will delete all downloaded sources? |
| 08:03.30 | CM | NineX: No, it will just clear out your build/tmp dir |
| 08:03.50 | CM | esben: Not sure, but I guess XorA|gone or someone at OM in .tw |
| 08:04.11 | esben | Let's say I submit a change to gcc-package.inc to monotone.openmoko.org, and somebody else did a conflicting change on monotone.openembedded.org in the same file, or perhaps in glibc which break stuff. |
| 08:04.14 | CM | NineX: psplash is broken, but XorA is working on it |
| 08:04.44 | CM | esben: I don't think anyone will change mtn.openmoko.org directly |
| 08:04.47 | NineX | prefetch-sources |
| 08:04.48 | esben | CM: also wondering who will be able to submit. |
| 08:04.48 | NineX | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.09 | CM | esben: I think it will just import known working revisions from oe |
| 08:05.33 | esben | CM: Ah, ok. |
| 08:05.37 | CM | NineX: Ah, ok. Heh. Never remember that command. for bitbake I think it was -fetchall |
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| 08:07.06 | CM | esben: But that's just what I think, having seen some discussions here and in #oe. Ask XorA or mickeyl or maybe even rwhitby to be sure. :) |
| 08:07.31 | esben | ok, thanks. |
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| 08:48.47 | torpor | well i'm happy to report that i've finished a complete build with the new build server setup |
| 08:49.00 | torpor | one question i have though, is whats this 2007.2 all about? how do i switch to 2007.11? |
| 08:51.59 | ynezz | torpor: 2007.2 is revision number, not month number |
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| 09:03.07 | torpor | yeah but then what is 2007.11? |
| 09:03.43 | zash | om as of november '07? |
| 09:11.49 | ynezz | torpor: yep, my mistake :) |
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| 09:15.07 | torpor | if that is the case then how do i switch my build to it .. i don't get that, to be honest. |
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| 09:16.24 | hhf423 | moin |
| 09:16.25 | CoreDump | If I am not mistaken, the official snapshots were hand-crafted by one OM developer |
| 09:16.40 | hhf423 | CoreDump: you are not mistaken |
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| 09:17.00 | hhf423 | I have filled a bug on the non-existance of nightly builds :-) |
| 09:17.18 | CoreDump | torpor: if you build against the latest OM & OE trees, your build should - in theory - be identical the the snapshot |
| 09:17.58 | torpor | well i'm doing that, and i haven't confirmed that they are the same, but whatever - i've got what i need to continue app development. i just was confused by all this 2007.2/2007.11 talk, and noticed that the build i just finished was 2007.2 .. |
| 09:19.10 | CoreDump | someone probably forgot to update the version in the OM tree ;) |
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| 09:20.13 | readon | how to debug image recipes? use -D have no effect |
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| 09:24.06 | CoreDump | depends on what your problem is |
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| 09:26.29 | readon | ERROR: No providers of runtime build target ${IMAGE_INSTALL} (for ['/home/sbox/moko/openmeter/packages/openmeter/openmeter-minigui-image.bb']) |
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| 09:29.29 | Kronk | And waves @ Rip ;) |
| 09:39.36 | CoreDump | readon: the variable ${IMAGE_INSTALL} is not set for whatever reason |
| 09:41.37 | readon | it seems that oe have changed a lot. my recipe was working several month ago. |
| 09:42.35 | CoreDump | yes, OE is a moving target |
| 09:43.39 | readon | :( |
| 09:44.54 | CoreDump | annoying at times, yes, but it's better than stand-still and bitrot IMO |
| 09:46.37 | readon | sure |
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| 09:48.02 | readon | i think SRC_URI would automatically find the proper file in different distro,is that ture? |
| 09:48.29 | readon | would it also do that with different machine? |
| 09:48.46 | readon | as psplash's header file |
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| 09:49.26 | CIA-14 | 03john_lee * r3559 10/developers/john_lee/toolkit/ (15 files in 5 dirs): |
| 09:49.26 | CIA-14 | Change layout to install with openmoko toolchain |
| 09:49.26 | CIA-14 | Remove myapp to use external openmoko-sample2 |
| 09:49.26 | CIA-14 | Update README to reflact the changes. |
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| 09:58.30 | CM | torpor: Was the same confusion when 2007.8 came out. The official releases have a monthly number, but the 2007.1 and 2007.2 refer to version 1 and 2 of the openmoko theme and programs. Both releases are 2007.2 :) |
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| 10:04.34 | flexd | Shouldnt it probably be like 2007.2.11 |
| 10:04.43 | flexd | For less confusion |
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| 10:22.42 | torpor | CM: gotcha. |
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| 10:25.18 | zash | rwhitby: sha1 is for pussies, real men use sha512 ;) |
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| 10:31.47 | josch | there is no much difference in speed between sha1 and sha256 so sha256 is a good deal |
| 10:32.44 | zash | sha256 of imagefiles then :D |
| 10:34.31 | josch | on videos sha1sum and sha256sum performed very equal for me |
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| 10:42.01 | zash | how about strings /dev/urandom | head -n 1 |
| 10:42.07 | josch | hahah |
| 10:42.54 | josch | okay lets name our child �/�Ϲه���ﾓ>��^�o�g]�A(DW��? then |
| 10:43.25 | zash | you forgot strings |
| 10:44.04 | josch | who would need strings?? |
| 10:44.07 | zash | hehe |
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| 10:50.49 | flexd | &H`h3 |
| 10:50.50 | flexd | {jY- |
| 10:50.55 | flexd | ROA! |
| 10:50.56 | flexd | R |
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| 10:52.57 | gi-el | those make good passwords |
| 10:53.30 | CoreDump | http://xkcd.com/327/ |
| 10:56.57 | josch | a classic |
| 10:57.15 | CoreDump | indeed |
| 10:57.21 | CoreDump | I love this guy |
| 10:58.07 | josch | who doesnt? (and I'm hetero) |
| 10:58.35 | CoreDump | well, not "this" kind of love ;) |
| 10:58.56 | josch | all my newbie friend learned what sql injections are from this comic |
| 10:59.22 | gi-el | haha you have n00b friends! |
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| 10:59.23 | gi-el | :P |
| 10:59.46 | josch | gi-el, lucky you only having l33t h4x0r friends |
| 11:00.05 | gi-el | my friends are so leet, it was called eLiTe back then |
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| 11:01.25 | josch | lite like in windows power dvd lite edition? :-P |
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| 11:01.46 | gi-el | elite as in the word, elite |
| 11:01.50 | Hicks | Hello guys |
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| 11:02.11 | Hicks | Is there anyone available for discussing some gllin stuff with me please? |
| 11:02.49 | josch | what gllin stuff? |
| 11:02.55 | Hicks | well |
| 11:03.09 | Hicks | i have made some tests with my coworker today who has a MIO DigiWalker |
| 11:03.24 | Hicks | i have made a little app on our neo to display the longitude / latitude / altitude |
| 11:03.34 | Hicks | so we can compare the two outputs |
| 11:03.36 | Hicks | and well... |
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| 11:04.13 | Hicks | The outputs are totally differents, we have a difference between long / lat of the two devices which is not constants, and the altitude is just wrong randomly |
| 11:04.45 | Hicks | so i was wondering, is there something i have to do with post processing the GPS data, or is it possible that it is set up in factory to something wrong? |
| 11:04.51 | flexd | Are you sure your program is working okay? |
| 11:04.55 | Hicks | yes |
| 11:04.56 | Hicks | totally |
| 11:05.17 | Hicks | We had the same differences with just catting /tmp/nmeaNP |
| 11:05.21 | josch | Hicks, I used gllin too and put the data on a map - my output was totally correct |
| 11:05.26 | Hicks | my program just splits the GPGGA sentence |
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| 11:05.32 | Hicks | oh |
| 11:05.37 | Hicks | josh where do you live? |
| 11:05.45 | josch | Hicks, germany |
| 11:05.48 | Hicks | hmm |
| 11:06.01 | Hicks | well i'm from france, do you think there can be some problem with our position? =/ |
| 11:06.04 | gi-el | maybe, something with decimal a part vs minutes/seconds? |
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| 11:06.14 | gi-el | -a |
| 11:06.16 | josch | ??? |
| 11:06.29 | Hicks | i mean, did someone already test the output of the GPS in france? |
| 11:06.47 | Hicks | or is it supposed to work everywhere without difference? |
| 11:06.54 | gi-el | 6.5 degrees vs 6 degrees 30 minutes |
| 11:07.02 | josch | I think gps should work reliable no matter wether you are in europe or at the south pole :-) |
| 11:07.03 | Hicks | o |
| 11:07.04 | Hicks | ooooh |
| 11:07.05 | Hicks | dang |
| 11:07.08 | Hicks | people |
| 11:07.11 | Hicks | my bad :D |
| 11:07.15 | josch | Xplain |
| 11:07.17 | Hicks | gi-el you pointed it right |
| 11:07.33 | Hicks | So if i understand what you mean, the decimals are 100th of minutes? |
| 11:07.40 | gi-el | Hicks: just a thought, not sure if that's it, but that might be it |
| 11:07.42 | josch | omg... |
| 11:07.54 | Hicks | what josh? |
| 11:08.13 | josch | just speak further, I'm reading |
| 11:08.15 | josch | :-) |
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| 11:09.14 | Hicks | well it means that if for instance i get 45.3514 it is in fact 45°, (60/100)*35 minutes etc? |
| 11:09.37 | Hicks | i think i got it, i thought the GPS output was already in this form |
| 11:09.52 | Hicks | or did i misunderstood again? |
| 11:09.58 | cesarb | Is anyone's build failing at external-toolchain-1.0? |
| 11:10.00 | josch | I think this is it |
| 11:10.12 | cesarb | | The external toolchain could not be found in /usr/local/openmoko/arm! |
| 11:10.16 | Hicks | Josh why this "OMG..."? :) |
| 11:10.57 | josch | Hicks, because the solution was only in converting numbers from one unit to the other and I study physics - have this everyday |
| 11:11.22 | josch | Hicks, and it's really JoSch or josch - as an american you speak it as Yosh |
| 11:11.46 | Hicks | So what, does it means that because you study physics, the solution was obvious for me? i havnt read anywhere that the raw ouput was base 100 |
| 11:11.50 | Nr18 | will there bet hsdpa support in the future? |
| 11:11.58 | Hicks | or whatever the terms you use to describe it |
| 11:12.06 | Hicks | yes sorry Josch |
| 11:12.22 | josch | Hicks, I meant not to offend you - np |
| 11:12.40 | josch | Hicks, would be great if it works now |
| 11:12.45 | flexd | l2tab complete! |
| 11:12.53 | flexd | like josch or Hicks |
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| 11:12.59 | josch | Hicks, how about using an existing gps app? |
| 11:13.10 | josch | flexd, ?? |
| 11:13.15 | Hicks | no no you arn't offending me, i just have read what was available last saturday when i had the gllin package and no doc was available |
| 11:13.23 | Hicks | flexd what is it? |
| 11:13.29 | Hicks | NMEA parsing app? |
| 11:13.38 | readon | how to print out current distro_feature & machine_feature? |
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| 11:13.49 | Hicks | isnt it in /etc/issue? |
| 11:13.58 | Hicks | and uname -a && lspci? |
| 11:14.23 | josch | Hicks, wikipedia says to nmea output: "Longitude in Degrees/Minutes" |
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| 11:15.16 | Hicks | right |
| 11:15.22 | josch | Hicks, maybe try something like APGSUI? it will print your coordinates correctly |
| 11:15.24 | Hicks | i'll make the conversion :) |
| 11:15.44 | Hicks | my appologies for this, obviously you pointed me the misstake i've been doing |
| 11:16.13 | flexd | josch, Hicks just suggesting you guys should use tab completion ;) |
| 11:16.22 | Hicks | Josch, since i see you know quite a lot about this, do you know some place on the net where i can find a GPS to Lambert III position? |
| 11:16.22 | josch | flexd, I am? |
| 11:16.37 | flexd | josch: nevermind, he wasnt since he called you Josh? =) |
| 11:16.46 | Hicks | tab completion on what? |
| 11:16.52 | Hicks | oh lol on names? |
| 11:16.53 | josch | Hicks, on the nicks |
| 11:17.05 | Hicks | i dont think it works on my irc soft |
| 11:17.07 | josch | Hicks, just type jo[tab] and be surprised |
| 11:17.10 | Hicks | let me try :) |
| 11:17.20 | flexd | What irc client do you use? |
| 11:17.30 | Hicks | Colloquy on OSX |
| 11:17.37 | Hicks | yes it works |
| 11:17.40 | Hicks | didnt notice it :) |
| 11:18.19 | Hicks | So Josch do you know some link about my previous question please? |
| 11:18.53 | Hicks | Geolocalising on a Lambert III projection using the GPS output, given that i have 5 points placed on the map already? |
| 11:19.23 | josch | Hicks, no I not really know a lot about this I got into this by helping another one writing a osm dumping script for his gps map application but this way I only got familiar with mercator projection that googlemaps and osm use |
| 11:19.36 | Hicks | ooh ok |
| 11:20.14 | Hicks | Did your friend's map application run on the Neo smoothly? |
| 11:20.59 | Hicks | i never tried openstreet maps |
| 11:21.07 | josch | Hicks, it runs mega smoothly ^^ |
| 11:21.11 | Hicks | cool |
| 11:21.17 | Hicks | i'll try it :) |
| 11:21.33 | Hicks | thanks a lot for your help Josch, i'll be there again later :) |
| 11:21.35 | josch | Hicks, unfortunately it's not compelet right now - still in beta stage |
| 11:21.39 | Hicks | yes |
| 11:21.47 | Hicks | no problem, for now i just want to "play" with our neo :) |
| 11:21.56 | josch | Hicks, but maybe msg gamin so you can ask him about this |
| 11:22.09 | Hicks | That's what i've been doing since i have gllin running lol |
| 11:22.19 | Hicks | oh ok |
| 11:22.21 | Hicks | i will |
| 11:22.41 | Hicks | Thanks again and see you all later, and excuse my english ;) |
| 11:23.34 | josch | Hicks, the least of us are native speakers |
| 11:23.44 | Hicks | native english speakers? |
| 11:24.12 | Hicks | well i feel that my english became poor without practice =/ |
| 11:24.36 | Hicks | You guys practice everyday that's why you speak nice ^^ |
| 11:25.33 | josch | Hicks, well I only learn from others writing here and writing on the internetz and since they are mostly also no native english speakers I will never know if my english is correct or not :-D |
| 11:25.51 | Hicks | lol |
| 11:26.17 | Hicks | that sounds like that a new language will be born soon :D |
| 11:27.39 | Hicks | i did learn english with listening to other people too, never had an english lesson =/ |
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| 11:27.39 | Hicks | But it has been way too long since i havnt been talking / writing english =/ |
| 11:27.46 | rwhitby | Your english is magnitudes better than my <insert your native language here> |
| 11:27.57 | Hicks | lol |
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| 11:28.12 | PBeck | hoi |
| 11:28.33 | rwhitby | what's "lol" in your native tongue? |
| 11:28.50 | Hicks | lol is MDR which means Mort de Rire, Dead Laughing :) |
| 11:29.22 | Hicks | that's what you were asking, the equivalence in French of "lol" right? |
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| 11:30.08 | CIA-14 | 03thomas * r3560 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-pin.c src/phone-kit/moko-pin.h): |
| 11:30.08 | CIA-14 | * src/phone-kit/moko-pin.c: |
| 11:30.08 | CIA-14 | * src/phone-kit/moko-pin.h: |
| 11:30.08 | CIA-14 | Add error message function |
| 11:30.09 | Hicks | well the thing is in french we use "lol". MDR is most like lmao |
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| 11:30.36 | rwhitby | I'll have to remember MdR. |
| 11:30.52 | Hicks | So if you speak with a french person, he will be surprised ;) |
| 11:31.28 | Hicks | But french people on the chats really do use english accronyms such as lol, brb, ttyl etc |
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| 11:31.41 | Hicks | it's almost part of the 21th century youth culture :) |
| 11:32.18 | Hicks | i think i'm thinking loud alone... See you all later and have fun ;) |
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| 11:47.11 | Hopscotch | mahlzeit |
| 11:48.59 | josch | Hopscotch, j0 |
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| 12:07.48 | josch | how to disable pslash in my openmoko builds? |
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| 12:18.34 | fsteinel | msg NickServ IDENTIFY flostone |
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| 12:19.38 | mickeyl | there goes your identity |
| 12:19.44 | josch | fsteinel, lol |
| 12:19.52 | ScaredyCat | roflmao |
| 12:19.59 | mickeyl | :D |
| 12:20.06 | mickeyl | josch: ipkg remove psplash |
| 12:20.10 | fsteinel | yeah bitchx sucks (/) |
| 12:20.34 | ScaredyCat | mickeyl: errm |
| 12:20.43 | ScaredyCat | in the build not after it :) |
| 12:20.56 | ScaredyCat | psplash is busted in oe |
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| 12:40.33 | IfWorkCouldKill | Is the Neo1973 compatible to these thingies here? http://www.technologynewsdaily.com/node/7817 |
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| 12:41.58 | wibbit | IfWorkCouldKill: from what I can remember, it has been said that the Neo1973 does work with the new high density cards |
| 12:42.00 | Quinn_Storm | hey, was wondering, anyone found a fix for the needing to restart the modem on the 01b4 a few times to get it to work? once that is done enough times, it comes up and works fine (though you can't restart qtopia again after that, it just gets confused and stops registering to networks) |
| 12:42.11 | wibbit | IfWorkCouldKill: I would have a quick look on the wiki, where it talks about the hardware compatability |
| 12:42.25 | IfWorkCouldKill | ah ok thanks! |
| 12:45.38 | Quinn_Storm | also, any new fun stuff in the openmoko images? I'd prefer it to qtopia if it worked |
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| 12:50.35 | NineX | someone have the problem with power on device after select power off from u-boot |
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| 12:56.05 | NineX | some one can tell me what is doing by u-boot option "factory defaults" |
| 12:59.54 | NineX | damn |
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| 13:18.48 | xcasex | anyone tried to run canola on their moko yet? :D |
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| 13:28.38 | josch | lol breakfast |
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| 13:35.53 | wibbit | I wonder what Mickey is breaking so quickly? |
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| 13:49.06 | CIA-14 | 03thomas * r3561 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-network.c): |
| 13:49.06 | CIA-14 | * src/phone-kit/moko-network.c: (on_network_registered), |
| 13:49.06 | CIA-14 | (phone_msghandler), (connection_source_dispatch), |
| 13:49.06 | CIA-14 | (network_init_gsmd): |
| 13:49.06 | CIA-14 | Fix bug 1028 (PIN dialog appears multiple times) by using the pin and |
| 13:49.08 | CIA-14 | phone power callback messages. |
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| 14:02.22 | sandos | ouch, someone with the username "OpenMoko" is asking about Asus EEE 701 in the expansys forum ;) |
| 14:07.27 | wibbit | Why's that a bad thing sados? |
| 14:10.11 | Mononoke | isn't OpenMoko registrated trademark ? |
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| 14:12.24 | sandos | wibbit: well I was implying someone choose the asus instead of the neo :) |
| 14:12.59 | sandos | actually, I am a lot less interested in the gta02 now that EEE exists |
| 14:13.18 | Stephmw | not quite as pocketable though |
| 14:13.45 | cjb_ie | i'm interested in the gta02 because second hand 01s will probably become cheaper when it's released :-) |
| 14:14.13 | Stephmw | hahaha |
| 14:14.26 | Stephmw | XorA: you're just a gadget whore... |
| 14:14.30 | Stephmw | XorA: ... like the rest of us |
| 14:15.12 | XorA | nah, im trying to get less gadgets :-) |
| 14:15.20 | XorA | one down, loads to go :-) |
| 14:15.31 | Fatal | bah, get a bigger bag :) |
| 14:15.32 | wibbit | Ahh, okay |
| 14:16.06 | Stephmw | what else do you have going? |
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| 14:17.22 | XorA | Stephmw: you already financed the n810 :-) |
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| 14:22.36 | ynezz | is n810 available somewhere in EU yet? |
| 14:23.47 | XorA | nope :-( |
| 14:26.48 | mickeyl | NineX: uploading a tarball for you now... |
| 14:28.50 | XorA | ynezz: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NOKIA-N810-INTERNET-TABLET-WEB-BRAND-NEW-BNIB-Sealed_W0QQitemZ270190825932QQihZ017QQcategoryZ38331QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 14:31.43 | ynezz | + shipping + VAT |
| 14:31.49 | ynezz | pretty costy |
| 14:32.13 | gi-el | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:32.54 | josch | gi-el, get us some insider infos then :-D |
| 14:33.02 | gi-el | about what? |
| 14:33.12 | ynezz | like specs for n880 |
| 14:33.19 | gi-el | hm |
| 14:33.20 | josch | well if you do they wouldn't be inside anymore but who cares? ^^ |
| 14:33.34 | gi-el | when's the n880 due? |
| 14:33.41 | ynezz | end of 2010 |
| 14:33.47 | XorA | just give us cheap n900 models :-) |
| 14:33.56 | gi-el | if there's an informal moment i'll see what i can do :P |
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| 14:34.17 | Fatal | touch his thigh and ask it in with a smooth voice |
| 14:34.33 | Fatal | s/in// |
| 14:34.41 | gi-el | cheap devices won't work, i tried that :( |
| 14:35.41 | gi-el | not this one |
| 14:35.53 | gi-el | i think i can beat this dude in a fight |
| 14:36.07 | gi-el | unless he has those finnish laser eyes |
| 14:36.19 | XorA | beat him, steal his n810 :-) |
| 14:36.32 | gi-el | i don;t think he has one with him right now |
| 14:36.37 | mickeyl | NineX: done |
| 14:36.42 | XorA | bah, they can predict our plans |
| 14:36.43 | Stephmw | gi-el: which country? |
| 14:36.49 | gi-el | Stephmw: which country what? |
| 14:37.17 | gi-el | i'm from, i'm at, the nokia dude's from, nokia is from? |
| 14:37.17 | gi-el | :) |
| 14:37.18 | jeddy3 | i think n800 is not discontinued |
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| 14:37.33 | Stephmw | gi-el: the nokia dude is from ;) |
| 14:37.41 | gi-el | Stephmw: finland :) |
| 14:37.49 | jeddy3 | the plan is to make and sell them alongside each other |
| 14:38.05 | Stephmw | gi-el: no chance I'd know him then ;) |
| 14:38.34 | Stephmw | gi-el: last time I went to Finland was to see a different company |
| 14:40.21 | gi-el | i see you have been to beijing recently? |
| 14:40.44 | Stephmw | yeah, only spent two days there unfortunately |
| 14:41.01 | gi-el | i've been there 3 times in the last 2 years, but not much time to look around as well :( |
| 14:41.53 | gi-el | maybe i should upload some pictures |
| 14:42.03 | gi-el | oh, don't have them on this laptop |
| 14:42.42 | mbuf | other than ssh into neo and do "ipkg install" manually, does anyone here do remote ipkg package installation? if yes, how? |
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| 14:43.26 | edistar | mbuf: via VNC? |
| 14:45.05 | mbuf | edistar, that would again be manual, right? i was thinking of automating remote installations; right now with "ssh -X root@neo ipkg install foo.ipk" it segfaults |
| 14:45.22 | zash | why -X? |
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| 14:45.57 | zash | no need to tunnel X11 for text-only stuff |
| 14:45.57 | mbuf | zash, not required here |
| 14:46.30 | gi-el | you can install an ftp deamon with a trigger on upload :P |
| 14:46.33 | Xx13 | don't think -X is supported |
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| 14:47.12 | gi-el | or just make a script that keeps an eye on a certain dir and installs all ipks that end up there |
| 14:47.16 | mbuf | Xx13, ssh -X will export GUI to desktop, that works fine |
| 14:47.18 | gi-el | so you just scp the ipk |
| 14:47.23 | zash | make a script that scp's a file and installs |
| 14:47.53 | mbuf | gi-el, yes, scp works; ssh ipkg list works; but, ssh with ipkg install segfaults |
| 14:48.02 | Xx13 | mbuf: think i tried it couple of days ago, - didn't work |
| 14:48.28 | gi-el | mbuf: and if you manually ssh and type ipkg install? |
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| 14:48.37 | mbuf | i even tried invoking a remote shell script to install an ipkg from host PC, same result |
| 14:48.46 | zash | scp $1 root@neo: && ssh root@neo ipkg install `echo $1 | basename` |
| 14:48.48 | mbuf | gi-el, manual ssh and doing ipkg install on target Neo works fine |
| 14:49.14 | gi-el | weird |
| 14:50.03 | mbuf | zash, thanks will try that |
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| 14:57.28 | CM | abraxa_: We need new screenshots: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Music_Player |
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| 14:58.08 | mjr | Xx13, what doesn't work is -X in the dropbear _client_ |
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| 15:00.22 | SpeedEvil | you don't need -X - it's just nice. You can do the export DISPLAY= thing and put X over the main link |
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| 15:01.01 | mjr | also, you can do port forwards manually |
| 15:01.19 | mjr | but in the case of the USB link, running X unencrypted isn't probably usually that bad :] |
| 15:01.24 | Xx13 | i couldn't get my desktop X to listen to tcp ;) so i thought ssh -X should be easier |
| 15:01.49 | mjr | well, it should work to that direction |
| 15:02.11 | mjr | AFAIK and all that |
| 15:02.14 | Xx13 | mjr: maybe i mixed up host and client |
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| 15:03.57 | adjaxio | Bonne soirer a la prochaine +++ / Good Bye +++ |
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| 15:12.16 | CIA-14 | 03john_lee * r3562 10/developers/john_lee/toolkit/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Fix multiple path error |
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| 15:21.21 | edistar | where can I download a tarball of all the icons designed for 2007.2 up to now? |
| 15:24.32 | CVirus | yeah I want that too |
| 15:24.36 | CVirus | I love icons |
| 15:25.19 | zedstar | have a look in build/tmp/rootfs/usr/share/icons |
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| 15:33.44 | edistar | zedstar: thx |
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| 15:36.06 | ScaredyCat | you sad git |
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| 15:47.21 | CIA-14 | 03john_lee * r3563 10/developers/john_lee/toolkit/ (README bin/om-conf bin/om-make-ipkg): |
| 15:47.21 | CIA-14 | * improve om-make-ipkg, enable custom ipkg control file |
| 15:47.21 | CIA-14 | * remove set -x |
| 15:47.21 | CIA-14 | * update README, add the new function of om-make-ipkg |
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| 15:59.21 | Hicks | gamin: |
| 15:59.26 | Hicks | sorry |
| 15:59.43 | CM | mickeyl: bcc:ed you on my reply |
| 16:00.16 | mickeyl | have fun |
| 16:00.17 | mickeyl | thanks |
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| 16:04.16 | ScaredyCat | pfft |
| 16:13.17 | ScaredyCat | ~blame XorA |
| 16:13.18 | apt | ACTION blames XorA (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
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| 16:17.13 | buz | ~blame Acer for shipping a beeping screen |
| 16:17.14 | apt | ACTION blames romu1us and perhaps Acer for shipping a beeping screen and the end of the world as we know it |
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| 16:39.42 | anrp | i need to get an a2dp receiver |
| 16:39.50 | anrp | preferably with 3.5mm jack .. know of any/ |
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| 16:40.59 | hhf423 | err, you want a bt a2dp receiver mit 3,5 jack? |
| 16:41.30 | anrp | yeah, for use with normal headphones and a remote player |
| 16:41.37 | anrp | i've been looking on and off .. |
| 16:41.49 | anrp | sony does have some good looking stuff |
| 16:41.51 | anrp | sadly :/ |
| 16:42.16 | hhf423 | :-) |
| 16:42.58 | hhf423 | hmm, turn on of GPS does not work with current OM snapshot? |
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| 16:43.14 | hhf423 | and, of course, it does not ask for PIN... |
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| 16:47.56 | hhf423 | ah then pain. This could be such a nice phone. |
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| 16:48.54 | anrp | :/ |
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| 16:56.04 | hhf423 | ah, my test SIM provider goes to 9.9ct/min |
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| 16:56.29 | hhf423 | XorA: so whats the price? |
| 16:56.47 | XorA | £339 |
| 16:57.00 | hhf423 | ah, 400 EUR |
| 16:57.29 | XorA | and someone said its on nokia.dk for sale, but I cant read that site |
| 16:57.32 | hhf423 | wow, n800 is down to 215 EUR |
| 16:57.48 | XorA | http://www.nokia.dk/phones/n810/prices.php |
| 16:57.56 | hhf423 | ah, well my n770 will last some time |
| 16:58.01 | XorA | found it finally |
| 16:58.51 | hhf423 | .dk not on EUR yet=? |
| 16:59.53 | XorA | damn, last weekend I was on Tottenham Court road, I could have got a n810 there :-) |
| 17:00.28 | hhf423 | it has GPS, no? |
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| 17:06.05 | hhf423 | whats the command line command to start gps? |
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| 17:32.09 | emdete | hhf423_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPS |
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| 17:35.21 | Hicks | Hello again people :) |
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| 17:35.43 | Hicks | Is there anyone here who knows a bit about bitmaps maps, and how to get some detailed maps for my country? |
| 17:36.29 | Hicks | And also who can point me to the algorythm to be able to plot my position on a bitmap map based on my GPS coords and the map's projection type? |
| 17:36.41 | torpor | howdy |
| 17:36.49 | Hicks | howdy? |
| 17:38.36 | Stephmw | Hicks: you can likely create a suitable bitmap map using geotools |
| 17:38.46 | Stephmw | Hicks: as for plotting your location on such a map... |
| 17:38.46 | Hicks | geotools? |
| 17:38.51 | Stephmw | Hicks: google :) |
| 17:38.54 | Hicks | i didnt know this thanks |
| 17:38.57 | Hicks | yes sure |
| 17:39.17 | Hicks | wow very nice |
| 17:39.32 | Hicks | So you used this already with success? |
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| 17:39.58 | Stephmw | I've used it in the past, nothing embedded though |
| 17:40.38 | Hicks | well i don't want to embed the tool, just to generate a map which on which i can find the transformation algorythm from GPS to cartesian XY |
| 17:40.52 | Hicks | i have googled a lot about this already, and i only got very vague explainations =/ |
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| 17:45.23 | SpeedEvil | what do you mean by 'gps'? |
| 17:45.34 | Hicks | Longitute and Latitude |
| 17:46.02 | SpeedEvil | I'd suggest you wander over to irc.oftc.net, and ask on #osm |
| 17:46.17 | Hicks | i would probably have to get my map's 4 courners long / lat, it's center also, and depending on the map's projection |
| 17:46.23 | Hicks | open street map? |
| 17:46.29 | SpeedEvil | there are some geoprojection knowledgable people there, that can point you at a FAQ |
| 17:46.30 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 17:46.30 | Hicks | okay thanks :) |
| 17:46.36 | Hicks | thanks a lot |
| 17:46.55 | Hicks | and about getting nice bitmaps of an area? We don't want vector graphisms |
| 17:47.21 | SpeedEvil | Hicks: you can load google tiles legally if you don't cache them. |
| 17:47.28 | SpeedEvil | it breaks the AUP if you store them |
| 17:47.37 | SpeedEvil | you can use OSM tiles |
| 17:47.46 | SpeedEvil | but, they are of varying quality at the moment |
| 17:47.49 | Hicks | it is for offline purpose, so it has to be cached =/ |
| 17:47.57 | Hicks | and OSM tiles are ugly :D |
| 17:48.01 | SpeedEvil | france? |
| 17:48.18 | SpeedEvil | some bits of france are quite well mapped |
| 17:48.22 | Hicks | yes |
| 17:48.32 | Hicks | really |
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| 17:48.45 | Hicks | i will have a look again then ;) |
| 17:48.52 | Hicks | Thank you for pointing me those directions |
| 17:49.27 | SpeedEvil | there are also a couple of alternative renderers from the OSM data |
| 17:49.44 | Hicks | hmm ok |
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| 17:50.13 | Hicks | i'll have a look at it now |
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| 17:50.29 | Hicks | thanks for the advices, talk again soon ;) |
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| 17:58.03 | CIA-14 | 03laforge * r3564 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (25 files): sync patches with u-boot mainline '8d4f040a3c15036a6ea25a9c39e7d89fefa8440d' (compiles but untested) |
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| 17:58.37 | dread | what happend to buildhost.openmoko.org? cannot connect :( |
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| 18:07.12 | [9x|moko] | Linux fic-gta01 2.6.22.5-moko11 #1 PREEMPT Fri Nov 30 11:16:19 GMT 2007 armv4tl unknown |
| 18:07.21 | [9x|moko] | ;] |
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| 18:23.19 | abraxa__ | CM: Yeah, I started writing the new wiki articles |
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| 18:23.47 | abraxa__ | But yeah, the issue here is the same as with current media player development: university has priority ;) |
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| 18:44.56 | NineX | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.59 | NineX | is down? |
| 18:46.02 | hhf423_ | amazing how the Neo gps thinks I am wandering around when I am stating still |
| 18:46.57 | hhf423_ | oh, laforge still coding for the neo? |
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| 18:47.27 | hhf423_ | then again, why not? |
| 18:49.03 | ewon | hhf423_: all gpsen do that to a degree, unless they're configured to ignore position changes beneath a certain speed |
| 18:50.23 | anrp | its quite a breathtaking feeling, instantly moving 10m |
| 18:50.27 | hhf423_ | in any case with the average function it is pretty decent |
| 18:50.32 | buz | the operative word being a certain degree |
| 18:50.33 | hhf423_ | anrp :-) |
| 18:50.52 | buz | (and whether the error terms are biased, which is even more important) |
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| 18:51.35 | SpeedEvil | hhf423_: indoors? |
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| 18:51.52 | hhf423_ | SpeedEvil: yes, indoors |
| 18:52.10 | SpeedEvil | the accuracy drops indoors |
| 18:52.18 | hhf423_ | sure does |
| 18:52.26 | morricone | anrp, maybe you're experiencing quantum effects |
| 18:52.54 | anrp | macroscopic quantum tunneling |
| 18:52.56 | anrp | quick, call someone! |
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| 18:55.02 | anrp | its kind of strange |
| 18:55.18 | anrp | you have to pay more to get anything done, because if you don't you don't stay in one place long enough to get anything done |
| 18:55.26 | anrp | so you have to pay $10k+ just to work |
| 18:55.44 | anrp | getting a GPS+INS |
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| 18:56.30 | anrp | on the other hand, vaults and the like present no problem |
| 18:56.38 | anrp | so its not hard to be rich with an inaccurate gps |
| 18:57.38 | anrp | first generation civilian receivers command a large premium on the black market |
| 18:57.59 | anrp | since you could warp 50m with them |
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| 19:08.29 | ewon | anrp: define warping? |
| 19:08.50 | ewon | or are you being sarcastic :) |
| 19:09.09 | ajbrun | warping: faster than light travel |
| 19:09.11 | ajbrun | :D |
| 19:09.30 | anrp | perhaps :o |
| 19:09.36 | ajbrun | "take us to warp Mr Sulu" |
| 19:10.41 | ajbrun | what did pickard say to the sewing machine mechanic? |
| 19:10.45 | ajbrun | "make it sew" |
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| 19:10.59 | anrp | you betta |
| 19:11.02 | anrp | :S |
| 19:11.03 | ajbrun | :p |
| 19:13.29 | anrp | http://anrp.net/cjtk.jpg |
| 19:13.32 | anrp | ;) |
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| 19:13.54 | ajbrun | lol |
| 19:14.11 | ajbrun | love those motivational posters |
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| 19:14.49 | zash | anrp: haha |
| 19:28.10 | nibbo | Have the GTA02 been further delayed? |
| 19:28.27 | _diego_ | yes |
| 19:29.20 | _diego_ | anrp, do you have at higher resolution? |
| 19:29.36 | _diego_ | cjtk.jpg i mean |
| 19:29.41 | nibbo | _diego_: Any new date? |
| 19:31.26 | _diego_ | nibbo, i suggesto to read here http://planet.openmoko.org/ |
| 19:32.27 | nibbo | _diego_: thanks! I am really looking forward to this open phone! Its a pity that it has to be delayed though :( |
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| 19:41.21 | anrp | i don't :/ |
| 19:41.22 | anrp | sadly |
| 19:42.54 | Risto | Hi, is there anbody who can confirm that http://buildhost.openmoko.org/ is down? |
| 19:43.12 | anrp | there is anecdotal evidence that yes, that is indeed the case |
| 19:43.23 | anrp | but no confirmation |
| 19:43.29 | zash | curl: (7) couldn't connect to host |
| 19:43.46 | Risto | thanx :-) |
| 19:44.33 | zash | I can confirm that i cant connect |
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| 19:45.57 | zash | nmap says its up |
| 19:46.00 | zash | butno http |
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| 20:15.45 | SpeedEvil | bookmarks is trivial - you can copy the bookmarks file |
| 20:15.48 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 21:01.15 | [9x|moko] | re |
| 21:02.04 | CVirus | so when is February ? |
| 21:02.04 | CVirus | :-p |
| 21:02.35 | [9x|moko] | /bin/sh: uame: not found |
| 21:02.43 | [9x|moko] | via gprs |
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| 21:02.56 | [9x|moko] | oops |
| 21:03.22 | [9x|moko] | not this widow |
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| 21:06.28 | CVirus | Does anybody have any idea who is incharge instead of Welte ? |
| 21:07.52 | josch | CVirus, atm nobody |
| 21:08.08 | CVirus | josch: so when is FIC employing someone ? |
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| 21:09.00 | balrog-kun | CVirus: various people are in charge of different pars |
| 21:09.03 | balrog-kun | parts |
| 21:09.25 | balrog-kun | and FIC already has a couple of new people recently afaik |
| 21:09.28 | CVirus | balrog-kun: so Welte's work was handed to others ? |
| 21:09.45 | CVirus | balrog-kun: any names ? |
| 21:09.48 | balrog-kun | CVirus: partially, yes |
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| 21:10.53 | CVirus | I can't wait any longer :-( |
| 21:11.08 | balrog-kun | CVirus: for example gsmd was handed to other already like 4 months ago |
| 21:11.21 | OJW | #join #bookmooch |
| 21:11.23 | balrog-kun | i think it was already known internally at that time that laf0rge was leaving |
| 21:11.33 | CVirus | I see |
| 21:12.02 | CVirus | balrog-kun: did he state any reasons for leaving ? |
| 21:13.10 | balrog-kun | CVirus: yes, on his blog, see planet.o.o |
| 21:13.33 | balrog-kun | CVirus: he also mentioned here in this channel that he has doubts abut the success of this projects... |
| 21:13.41 | CVirus | IIRC he didn't state any ... lemme check again |
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| 21:30.59 | Tek_Grmln | hello, anyone around willing to field some newbie questions? |
| 21:32.22 | Tek_Grmln | specifically some questions regarding what build/image I should be using |
| 21:32.35 | torpor | just ask 'em |
| 21:33.10 | Tek_Grmln | first whats the difference between the builds and images? they seem like the same thing to me |
| 21:33.23 | torpor | what builds? |
| 21:33.25 | torpor | what images? |
| 21:33.30 | torpor | the build consists of a lot of things |
| 21:33.39 | Tek_Grmln | just going through the get started wiki |
| 21:33.42 | torpor | a build contains toolchains, libs, apps, and such. all packaged into .ipk files. |
| 21:34.06 | torpor | the toolchain includes local tools and apps for your build host - cross compiler, etc. |
| 21:34.28 | torpor | the images you get are the final package of the build - all you need to run on your neo in a single image to be burned to flash |
| 21:34.40 | Tek_Grmln | and snapshots |
| 21:34.43 | torpor | but a 'build' is more than just an image. the image is the final result of a lot of stuff that goes on during a build. |
| 21:34.52 | Tek_Grmln | what are snapshots? |
| 21:35.05 | torpor | snapshots are regularly released versions of a build, released as image files, so you can just burn them straight to your neo and try them out. |
| 21:35.13 | torpor | snapshots change frequently as progress is made in the project. |
| 21:35.34 | Tek_Grmln | thank you |
| 21:35.44 | torpor | no problem |
| 21:35.55 | torpor | if youre just starting out there are bound to be some confusing issues |
| 21:36.04 | Tek_Grmln | now second question, the get start guide says I have to install the kernal and the rootfs |
| 21:36.13 | torpor | yes you install that on your moko |
| 21:36.18 | Tek_Grmln | I identify these by there extension |
| 21:36.22 | torpor | the moko nand has a partition for the kernel and one for the filesystem (rootfs) |
| 21:36.38 | Tek_Grmln | but there are several files in each snapshot with the same extension |
| 21:36.54 | Tek_Grmln | which one do I use |
| 21:37.07 | torpor | .jffs2 == rootfs (jffs is a filesystem type), uImage-neo1973-latest.bin == kernel image, uboot=gta01bv-latest.bin == boot loader. |
| 21:37.15 | torpor | yeah, this is up to you of course. |
| 21:37.22 | Tek_Grmln | how do I know |
| 21:37.31 | torpor | most people who are publishing build image snapshots are a bit lazy and should clean up their release dirs so its not so confusing |
| 21:37.33 | Tek_Grmln | lets say I choose the lates snapshot |
| 21:37.57 | torpor | but the general rule is: get the latest uImage*bin file, and the latest *rootfs.jffs2 file .. |
| 21:37.57 | Tek_Grmln | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.11/images/neo1973/ |
| 21:38.10 | torpor | often-times these files are linked to a soft link like "uImage-neo1973-latest.bin" or something.. |
| 21:38.11 | [9x|moko] | hm 10hours on battery with gprs active |
| 21:38.41 | edistar | [9x|moko]: with OM or with qtopia? |
| 21:38.53 | [9x|moko] | 7om |
| 21:39.40 | NineX | CTCP VERSION reply from [9x|moko]: irssi v0.8.10 - running on Linux armv4tl |
| 21:39.40 | torpor | Tek_Grmln: for that site you should just go by the timestamps. get the latest uImage*bin file, the latest *jffs2 file. and unless you really, really need it, and really know why you need it, do *not* flash your uboot. |
| 21:39.57 | Tek_Grmln | ain this directory there are two 38M files with the same jffs2 extension and same time |
| 21:40.04 | torpor | [9x|moko]: thats impressive indeed. first that you got gprs running, and second that you've got such battery life .. |
| 21:40.19 | Tek_Grmln | 3:50 |
| 21:40.40 | torpor | Tek_Grmln: they are probably the same file .. the reason there is a copy is because the stupid admin for that site did a 'cp', and the link got copied as well, rather than just set up .. |
| 21:40.49 | Tek_Grmln | ah |
| 21:40.54 | Tek_Grmln | thanks again |
| 21:40.56 | torpor | you have to allow for a little stupidity when there's such progress going on .. |
| 21:41.14 | torpor | [9x|moko]: did you get gprs running through the shell, or with settingsGUI? |
| 21:41.20 | Tek_Grmln | I especially have to allow for it when there is so much on my side |
| 21:41.34 | torpor | i also have a gprs account i want to use - and in fact i'd love to be using gprs properly with my neo, so any tips on setting it up is appreciated... |
| 21:41.39 | Tek_Grmln | I am reletivly new with linux so doing this phone thing is extra hard for me |
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| 21:42.02 | torpor | Tek_Grmln: well soldier on, soon enough you'll be calling yourself a pro and going off to work for a cellphone co (unless you already do. ;) |
| 21:42.10 | Tek_Grmln | I do work for one |
| 21:42.21 | Tek_Grmln | and they have already named me the pro |
| 21:42.29 | torpor | is it A1 by any chance? |
| 21:42.36 | Tek_Grmln | I have a lot of windows mobile experience |
| 21:42.38 | Tek_Grmln | no no |
| 21:43.01 | torpor | phew. coz i'm interviewing for an openmoko based project at A1 (hopefully) soon.. ;) |
| 21:43.25 | Tek_Grmln | my company is just doing a study for now on feasability of porting some of our stuff |
| 21:43.43 | torpor | well then you have a lot of work to do then .. |
| 21:43.58 | Tek_Grmln | but I have a short timeline and the phone seems unready for real development |
| 21:44.10 | torpor | oh, its definitely ready for real development. |
| 21:44.16 | torpor | its you who are not quite ready yet. |
| 21:44.21 | torpor | no offense |
| 21:44.47 | Tek_Grmln | I beg to differ, it is ready for the phone to be developed but som many missing features is not good for a profesional development cycle |
| 21:45.13 | torpor | i'm writing fresh apps for it consistently and without hassle .. well, okay, i did have to do a full rebuild from scratch over the weekend, but that went surprisingly smooth and my project builds just fine with the new toolchain and build config. in fact my new project is surprisingly easy to build and run for the openmoko. |
| 21:45.21 | Tek_Grmln | although i am definatly not ready also |
| 21:45.32 | NineX | torpor: gprs by hand ;), battery life short backlight timeout + cpu scalling, but system is very unstable i need to fic=x couple things |
| 21:45.49 | Tek_Grmln | exactly m point companies dont like to pay developers there own money to do fresh builds over the weekend |
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| 21:45.50 | torpor | i think you are being hasty. you're not in a position to determine this yet. until you've finished your own build and set up and installed your own .ipks' i would not be so quick to judge. |
| 21:46.40 | torpor | the fact is i don't know any pro embedded developer who doesn't maintain a build system concurrently with their main app development. |
| 21:47.04 | Tek_Grmln | although I agree in many ways, my boss wont |
| 21:47.35 | torpor | i can't see how you'd be doing things correctly if you do not do such things as run your own build server over the weekend to make fresh syslibs, toolchains, image, etc. |
| 21:47.35 | Tek_Grmln | he pays for projects |
| 21:47.35 | Tek_Grmln | and my company is not unique |
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| 21:47.35 | torpor | you're not talking to your boss properly then. |
| 21:47.36 | Tek_Grmln | not my job to sell a system |
| 21:47.44 | Tek_Grmln | I just write the code they tell me |
| 21:47.50 | torpor | ah, but it is. |
| 21:47.53 | Tek_Grmln | I dont care who buys it or for what system |
| 21:48.08 | torpor | anyway, the point is this: get your build done, get a working phone in your hand, and get on with writing some code for it. |
| 21:48.31 | Tek_Grmln | not to whine or anything, for me it is fun to play with |
| 21:48.37 | torpor | if you have the "i don't wanna be responsible" attitude, you won't get far with linux. |
| 21:48.46 | [9x|moko] | ok i mustpart |
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| 21:49.45 | Tek_Grmln | I am not anti linux, or pro windows, I like the flexibility of having an interface to the AT channel which for me as a developer will help |
| 21:49.54 | Tek_Grmln | windows doesnot give me this |
| 21:50.05 | Tek_Grmln | just to bad it is a hard sell in a company |
| 21:50.22 | torpor | windows gives you other headaches, but at least those headaches are wrapped up in a nice friendly sugary sweet gui. |
| 21:50.33 | torpor | but i will never, ever, ever write another windows app for as long as i live. |
| 21:50.46 | torpor | for me, its just wretched to write code for windows mobile. |
| 21:50.47 | Tek_Grmln | I never get a gui or many api's so windows comes with a lot of headaches for me |
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| 21:51.20 | Tek_Grmln | My favorite is writing code for small micrcontrollers, but hey, you do what they pay you for |
| 21:51.43 | Tek_Grmln | try using the ril functions in windows mobile if you want headaches |
| 21:52.06 | torpor | well good luck. feel free to ask further Q's if you have them. and don't worry the fact that you get paid to ask me Q's I answer for free won't deter me from helping you .. ;) |
| 21:52.18 | Tek_Grmln | third question |
| 21:52.21 | torpor | yet. |
| 21:52.36 | Tek_Grmln | what do I do with this modiles tgz file |
| 21:52.44 | torpor | modiles? |
| 21:52.51 | Tek_Grmln | modules |
| 21:52.54 | torpor | ah, modules. |
| 21:53.00 | torpor | well thats a bit of a thorny issue to be honest. |
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| 21:53.33 | torpor | you see linux is built in two parts: the kernel itself (uImage file) and the loadable modules for the kernel, which need to live on the filesystem somewhere - usually off /lib/modules/[version.of.the.kernel] |
| 21:53.43 | Tek_Grmln | when I flashed the phone this morning it seemed to work (sorta) but a lot of commands are missing (eg. cu) |
| 21:53.46 | torpor | but since the neo1973 has only 65megs of NAND the modules are not included in the jffs rootfs. |
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| 21:54.00 | torpor | so the idea is that you unpack whatever modules you want out of the .tgz file, and put them in place by hand. |
| 21:54.03 | torpor | this is a pain in the ass. |
| 21:54.08 | Tek_Grmln | could the modules be why som many commands are missing |
| 21:54.27 | Tek_Grmln | how do I place them by hand |
| 21:54.30 | torpor | for that reason i suggest you investigate a root-on-SD setup if you get serious with neo development, and just unpack the whole modules tarball to a fat filesystem. |
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| 21:55.13 | torpor | no, modules are not the same as commands. if you don't have cu its because you haven't found and installed the relevant .ipk file contianing the bins you need. |
| 21:55.49 | torpor | .ipk files are the 'end user applications' and most of the bins in the root filesystem are found in .ipk files which can be easily installed/deleted through the package manager (ipkg) |
| 21:56.04 | Tek_Grmln | I cant install them because I don't have internet access on he phone |
| 21:56.15 | Tek_Grmln | I need the commands to get it as far as I can tell |
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| 21:56.18 | Tek_Grmln | catch 22 |
| 21:56.19 | torpor | to put modules in place by hand, you have to unpack the tarball somewhere (your local linux machine) and then copy them over to your neo over the ssh link/usb-networking, once that is set up. |
| 21:56.25 | Tek_Grmln | so I must be missing something |
| 21:56.35 | torpor | yeah you are: usb-networking. |
| 21:56.42 | Tek_Grmln | ssh works and I can copy files over |
| 21:56.52 | torpor | then thats all you need. |
| 21:57.01 | Tek_Grmln | I thought so too |
| 21:57.21 | torpor | scp somefilemodule.o root@moko:/lib/modules/[whatever.the.version.of.your.kernel.is._i_suggest_you_check_it_out_by_hand_first.] |
| 21:57.25 | Tek_Grmln | but how to I install (better where do I find) the ipkgs |
| 21:57.48 | Tek_Grmln | I only care right now about the missing commands |
| 21:58.07 | torpor | this is easy (and nice). you see once you get usb-networking set up, and have some sort of network sharing going on between your host PC and your neo, you can just use the 'ipkg' program on the neo1973 itself to install new apps |
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| 21:58.22 | Tek_Grmln | but this does not work |
| 21:58.27 | torpor | do you have network sharing going on so that your host PC is serving as an internet gateway for your neo? |
| 21:58.33 | Tek_Grmln | because I cant seem to use the internet on the phone |
| 21:58.45 | Tek_Grmln | I have tried |
| 21:59.01 | torpor | there is a gotcha with the current images: you have to modify /etc/resolv.conf first of all, and make a nameserver entry with whatever your local nameserver ip address is .. |
| 21:59.04 | Tek_Grmln | but when I try and do the setup stuff on the neo I fail because I dont have a ln comman |
| 21:59.10 | torpor | otherwise the neo can't do hostname resolution. |
| 21:59.22 | torpor | 'ln command'? what is that? |
| 21:59.41 | Tek_Grmln | ln -s /var/run/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:59.49 | torpor | no that is whack, do not do that. |
| 21:59.54 | Tek_Grmln | is what it says in the usb networking section of the getting started |
| 21:59.57 | torpor | instead just edit /etc/resolv.conf directly |
| 21:59.58 | dread | Tek_Grmln: execute this on your host http://nopaste.unixfreunde.de/312 |
| 22:00.01 | torpor | yeah that is gay |
| 22:00.02 | dread | to get dns working :) |
| 22:00.06 | torpor | and i mean gay in a bad way |
| 22:00.27 | torpor | dread: assuming he is using a linux machine for his host PC .. |
| 22:00.35 | dread | uhm...right, sorry |
| 22:01.02 | torpor | it is far better for you to be in authoritative command over your /etc/resolv.conf file and manually edit it. |
| 22:01.27 | torpor | okay you will get tired of doing this after you've reflashed your image for the 5th time, but it will be a good drill for you before you come up with some sexy trick to avoid having to do it ever again. |
| 22:01.36 | torpor | (me, i boot from SD, so i don't have these problems any more..) |
| 22:03.30 | Tek_Grmln | do I need to reconect or log out or anything |
| 22:04.30 | Tek_Grmln | wait I think they may have worked |
| 22:04.43 | dread | no, the resolv is used everytime you try to esablish an networkconnection |
| 22:05.32 | Tek_Grmln | sweet |
| 22:05.34 | Tek_Grmln | thanks |
| 22:06.27 | Tek_Grmln | cu |
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| 22:06.45 | Tek_Grmln | now all I got to do is find the right packages |
| 22:07.07 | torpor | so its working then? |
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| 22:07.54 | Tek_Grmln | well something is working when I ipkg update && ipkg upgrade |
| 22:08.01 | Tek_Grmln | which is more than before |
| 22:08.06 | Tek_Grmln | I get some erros |
| 22:08.17 | Tek_Grmln | but only some |
| 22:08.52 | Tek_Grmln | at least it is progress |
| 22:10.50 | Tek_Grmln | it is strange to me that all the commands used in the getting started are not available in the official releases |
| 22:10.59 | Tek_Grmln | but I am very glad for the help here |
| 22:11.05 | Tek_Grmln | I would be lost without it |
| 22:11.13 | Tek_Grmln | is there a good forum |
| 22:11.23 | Tek_Grmln | so I dont waste ppls time here though |
| 22:11.30 | CM | There's only here and the wiki |
| 22:11.34 | CM | And the mailinglists |
| 22:11.50 | torpor | what cmd isn't available, btw? |
| 22:11.51 | Tek_Grmln | lame |
| 22:12.01 | Tek_Grmln | cu for starts |
| 22:12.05 | Tek_Grmln | also ln |
| 22:12.12 | Tek_Grmln | and any editor beside vi |
| 22:12.24 | Tek_Grmln | I think a lot oare missing |
| 22:12.27 | CM | Tek_Grmln: Why would you need anything more than vi? :P |
| 22:12.43 | Tek_Grmln | sorry but I am not a linux guy and that is hard to use |
| 22:12.46 | CM | But yes, the basic rootfs isn't exactly optimized yet |
| 22:12.59 | CM | There's a lot of things mising, and there's still crap there too |
| 22:13.17 | CM | like the libvorbisencode libs and so on |
| 22:13.31 | CM | I mean stuf that's rarely or never at all used |
| 22:13.42 | Tek_Grmln | I can understand that, but then there should be a first time build that may not be the latest but can be used to walk through the getting started |
| 22:13.55 | CM | *nod* |
| 22:13.59 | Tek_Grmln | just for newbies |
| 22:14.10 | abraxa_ | Tek_Grmln: Time's the limiting factor :); |
| 22:14.14 | CM | The learning curve is definitely too steep right now |
| 22:14.20 | CM | abraxa_: Good evening :) |
| 22:14.32 | abraxa_ | Ahoy CM! |
| 22:14.47 | Tek_Grmln | for me it is fun to do, but I know if I dont show results by the end of the week this project is done |
| 22:15.26 | Tek_Grmln | the market is fierce, especially with android also on the horizon |
| 22:15.46 | Tek_Grmln | companoes like mine are not willing to spend much money playing |
| 22:15.48 | abraxa_ | Tek_Grmln: What's your task at hand anyway? |
| 22:16.07 | Tek_Grmln | unfortunatly my contract is military so I cant say much |
| 22:16.30 | Tek_Grmln | but I am ivestiguating making software we have for symbian and window mobile work on the neo |
| 22:16.37 | torpor | ait, 'ln' isnt there? |
| 22:16.43 | Tek_Grmln | nope |
| 22:17.01 | torpor | you double sure? |
| 22:17.05 | Tek_Grmln | ln |
| 22:17.22 | torpor | what does which ln say? |
| 22:18.09 | abraxa_ | Tek_Grmln: Just to make sure - we're talking about the lower-case version of LN, right? : |
| 22:18.10 | abraxa_ | :) |
| 22:18.16 | Tek_Grmln | oops sorry maybe it is |
| 22:18.33 | Tek_Grmln | I dont know if it just apeard or if I screwed up before |
| 22:18.34 | torpor | root@fic-gta01:~$ which ln |
| 22:18.34 | torpor | /bin/ln |
| 22:18.34 | torpor | root@fic-gta01:~$ ls -l /bin/ln |
| 22:18.34 | torpor | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Nov 28 21:28 /bin/ln -> busybox |
| 22:18.35 | torpor | root@fic-gta01:~$ |
| 22:18.44 | torpor | bloody windows people, honestly! |
| 22:18.54 | torpor | wait: you're working on a military contract? in the US? |
| 22:19.00 | Tek_Grmln | nope germany |
| 22:19.38 | Tek_Grmln | but not weapons or anything crazy |
| 22:19.49 | Tek_Grmln | mostly just goverment money wasting |
| 22:19.54 | torpor | well whatever. |
| 22:20.11 | Tek_Grmln | just means I cant say what anything does |
| 22:20.12 | torpor | please be careful with your conclusions. |
| 22:20.37 | Tek_Grmln | but cu is definatly missing |
| 22:21.08 | ckuethe | probably .mil wants what all of us do. a phone that doesn't suck |
| 22:21.17 | abraxa_ | What do you need cu for, Tek_Grmln? |
| 22:21.23 | Tek_Grmln | actually I am not a windows guy. I am an embedded systems guy |
| 22:21.36 | ckuethe | i know some folks at various national labs and they all sigh because they have fun stories they can't tell. |
| 22:21.40 | Tek_Grmln | acces to the at commands |
| 22:21.44 | torpor | Tek_Grmln: not here it isn't |
| 22:21.44 | torpor | root@fic-gta01:~$ which cu |
| 22:21.44 | torpor | /usr/bin/cu |
| 22:21.45 | torpor | root@fic-gta01:~$ ls -alF /usr/bin/cu |
| 22:21.45 | torpor | -r-sr-xr-x 1 root root 116876 Sep 7 22:01 /usr/bin/cu* |
| 22:22.04 | ckuethe | like being at google i suppose. "how about a nice mug of STFU." |
| 22:22.47 | torpor | Tek_Grmln: ipkg install minicom |
| 22:22.53 | torpor | if you can't find /usr/bin/cu that is |
| 22:23.55 | Tek_Grmln | minfind |
| 22:23.58 | I-MOD | screen can also do serial console |
| 22:24.01 | Tek_Grmln | oops sorry |
| 22:24.20 | I-MOD | if you happen to have screen :) |
| 22:25.17 | torpor | screen should be there too, just like cu |
| 22:25.17 | Tek_Grmln | root@fic-gta01:/bin$ ls -alF /usr/bin/cu |
| 22:25.17 | Tek_Grmln | ls: /usr/bin/cu: No such file or directory |
| 22:25.55 | Tek_Grmln | whatever screen is it is there |
| 22:26.06 | Tek_Grmln | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.09 | CoreDump | screen is da bomb |
| 22:26.29 | torpor | screen rocks. |
| 22:26.38 | CoreDump | one of the most useful programs ever IMO |
| 22:27.01 | torpor | i don't make a day without screen love |
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| 22:28.28 | Tek_Grmln | how do I igure out how to use it |
| 22:28.40 | torpor | google: screen howto |
| 22:29.52 | Tek_Grmln | hmmm, this looks like opening up another big pot of trouble |
| 22:30.10 | SpeedEvil | basic operation is trivial |
| 22:30.16 | SpeedEvil | ssh/telnet/... somewhere |
| 22:30.18 | SpeedEvil | run screen |
| 22:30.31 | Tek_Grmln | and this helps me use at commands how |
| 22:30.32 | SpeedEvil | ctrl-ac = create new screen |
| 22:30.42 | SpeedEvil | strl-a-space = next window |
| 22:30.58 | SpeedEvil | then if you get disconnected, simply ssh back and run screen -r to reconnect |
| 22:31.19 | Tek_Grmln | screen |
| 22:31.19 | torpor | Tek_Grmln: know what /dev is for? |
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| 22:31.31 | Tek_Grmln | not really |
| 22:32.53 | torpor | just install minicom then. |
| 22:33.09 | torpor | screen will seem too stupid to you and you'll end up making another hasty conclusion |
| 22:33.38 | Tek_Grmln | I agree, I think minicom makes more sense for now |
| 22:33.58 | Tek_Grmln | sorry guys, but hasty conclusions are the only ones people pay for |
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| 22:35.57 | NineX | NOTE: Running task 1528 of 5065 // damn this will take more than 2 days |
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| 22:36.44 | torpor | NineX: my build took 4 days in total. |
| 22:37.04 | NineX | torpor: on what hardware |
| 22:37.07 | torpor | Tek_Grmln: people pay for good conclusions. it'd be helpful if you stop using payroll as a justification for stupidity. |
| 22:37.24 | Tek_Grmln | maybe, but I dont decide the payrole |
| 22:37.34 | Tek_Grmln | stupid people do |
| 22:37.37 | torpor | NineX: macbook pro (dual core 2.5ghz) running parallels: ubuntustudio, 1 gig of RAM in the session. |
| 22:37.42 | Tek_Grmln | you would be wise to remember that |
| 22:37.58 | torpor | Tek_Grmln: well we don't have anything to do with your payroll, so please leave it out of the picture. unless you wish to change that, of course. ;) |
| 22:38.13 | NineX | torpor: my buildhost: Single core athlon 64 3200+ 2 Gigs RAM / running on gentoo |
| 22:38.22 | torpor | should be done in a day or two then |
| 22:38.28 | Tek_Grmln | it is the same everywhere I am afraid |
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| 22:38.47 | Tek_Grmln | remeber it is the art and socially degree people in those positions |
| 22:38.49 | torpor | every time i do a build i keep meaning to keep a time output so i can graph it and accurately predict completion 'next time', but i forgot this time too |
| 22:39.59 | torpor | Tek_Grmln: its not the same everywhere i've been. for sure, there are smart people paying bills in some parts of the world. perhaps its just unfortunate for you that you're in that position, but whatever. this is a technical help channel. we are helping you. we don't care who pays your bills. the only thing that matters here is forward progress on the openmoko project. |
| 22:40.02 | Tek_Grmln | I have been working in the business for 10 years, in five countries, nothing changes |
| 22:40.24 | NineX | there is a possibility to turnoff GSM and gps before system shutdown to i will no need to remove battery ? |
| 22:40.31 | torpor | i've been working for 30 years, 7 countries, and indeed: there is tons of change. |
| 22:40.46 | Tek_Grmln | I wish I saw it |
| 22:40.48 | torpor | change is the only constant in the computer business. |
| 22:40.58 | Tek_Grmln | I mean in the way management thinks |
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| 22:41.13 | torpor | me too |
| 22:41.17 | Tek_Grmln | of course I dont work in the computer business, I work in emebedded systems |
| 22:41.45 | Tek_Grmln | and am new to developing SW on such advanced OS's |
| 22:41.58 | Tek_Grmln | mostly I am a microntroller guy |
| 22:42.04 | SpeedEvil | The neo isn't an embedded device. |
| 22:42.09 | Tek_Grmln | with a strong HW background |
| 22:42.18 | SpeedEvil | It's a slow desktop that people are trying to convince it that it's a phone. |
| 22:42.21 | Tek_Grmln | uthe lines blurr |
| 22:42.22 | NineX | torpor: do you know answer for my question???/ |
| 22:42.23 | ewon | heh |
| 22:42.27 | NineX | anylone: ^^ |
| 22:42.32 | ewon | has anyone tried distccing the moko build? |
| 22:42.49 | torpor | i also do embedded: mostly ARM these days, but MIPS in the 90's, 68k in the 80's. just got a hot new coldfire board this week too |
| 22:42.54 | torpor | NineX: nope. |
| 22:42.54 | SpeedEvil | If you think of it as a P100 desktop software-wise, it's not that far off. It's very far from your typical embedded device. |
| 22:43.17 | Tek_Grmln | but I am not trying to be combative torpor, I guess I am just in a cup is half empty mood |
| 22:43.17 | NineX | torpor: so gta01 will never can be used like normal phone |
| 22:43.24 | torpor | SpeedEvil: embedded is a blurred word these days |
| 22:43.39 | SpeedEvil | torpor: yeah - it's not the 'traditional' model. |
| 22:44.05 | torpor | Tek_Grmln: i understand, i'm just trying to help you by removing the non-productive portion of your justification for whats going on .. please stay positive. you can actually write apps for openmoko within the next 24 hours if you do what you're supposed to instead of complaining about what you don't know yet. |
| 22:44.20 | Tek_Grmln | for me it is good, to do new things, just sucks so many projects go down the tubes because no one wants to pay to do the ground work |
| 22:44.22 | torpor | NineX: no, i just don't know the answer to your question. i use my neo for a normal phone right now. |
| 22:45.15 | Tek_Grmln | I used to work for BenQ, the whole company whent down the tubes because of lack of vision |
| 22:45.22 | NineX | torpor: i will use neo as normal phone when standby time on battery will be about ~96h |
| 22:45.29 | torpor | Tek_Grmln: all the ground work is done wth openmoko. if you push through and get the basics done yourself, you will see that. |
| 22:45.43 | SpeedEvil | NineX: it can in principle be so - it's just going to take a while |
| 22:46.27 | torpor | Tek_Grmln: if you want to just move into app development stages for the neo, you would be well advised to set up yourself a linux box for native development locally, and then consider the neo a port target for your build server. |
| 22:47.04 | torpor | i'm writing an app right now which uses gtk and cairo, and it runs really very nicely on both linux native (x86) and the neo (linux arm) without *any* hassle whatsoever |
| 22:47.08 | Tek_Grmln | I have already come to that conclusion torpor, but they want to see a proof of concept running on the phone |
| 22:47.12 | torpor | you can also use python to achieve the same effect, quite easily. |
| 22:47.27 | SpeedEvil | Tek_Grmln: export the display of any X app to the phone |
| 22:47.31 | SpeedEvil | and it pretty much works |
| 22:47.36 | torpor | Tek_Grmln: so you need to finish your build and get the basic apps installed and start writing some code. |
| 22:48.01 | SpeedEvil | without any compilation at all, and it wil run on the actual phone if you setup the proper toolchain and have enough RAM/ROM/CPU |
| 22:48.03 | Tek_Grmln | actually for my proof of concpet all I need is at commands for now |
| 22:48.08 | Tek_Grmln | if I get that I am set |
| 22:48.25 | Tek_Grmln | the rest would be a breeze |
| 22:48.29 | torpor | then get minicom built and set it up to access the gsm entry in /dev (whatever that is, don't ask me.. ;) |
| 22:48.35 | SpeedEvil | what do you want to do with the AT commands? |
| 22:48.47 | Tek_Grmln | that I cant say I am afraid |
| 22:48.52 | SpeedEvil | Roughly |
| 22:48.53 | ckuethe | control. |
| 22:48.58 | Tek_Grmln | phone stuff |
| 22:49.08 | torpor | no worries then |
| 22:49.12 | torpor | get minicom going |
| 22:49.13 | Tek_Grmln | once I have an at channel the rest is history |
| 22:49.27 | ckuethe | Tek_Grmln: and gsmd's passthrough mode isn't good enough? |
| 22:49.40 | torpor | maybe he doesn't know about that yet |
| 22:49.49 | Tek_Grmln | ckluethe: sorry I dont even know what that is |
| 22:50.25 | Tek_Grmln | but given what I want is in the getting started portion of the wiki I figured I should be able to do this |
| 22:50.37 | ckuethe | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd#libgsmd-tool |
| 22:50.41 | Tek_Grmln | I am on my second day and it is midnight here |
| 22:50.51 | ckuethe | "The atcmd mode is a passthrough-mode. Passthrough means that it accepts GSM 07.07 commands, passes them through the daemon to the phone, and returns you the response. this is very useful for debugging." |
| 22:51.06 | ckuethe | not trying to flame you then ... just trying to be helpful. |
| 22:51.19 | Tek_Grmln | ckuethe: I know |
| 22:51.23 | ckuethe | that may or may not be low-level enough... |
| 22:51.29 | Tek_Grmln | and I am not worried about being flamed |
| 22:52.00 | Tek_Grmln | as long as it gets the job done, a little flaming is fine |
| 22:52.24 | Tek_Grmln | but I will stick to at cause I know exactly where to go from there |
| 22:52.41 | torpor | you can use libgsmtool to send AT commands. |
| 22:52.57 | Tek_Grmln | I can implement my proof of concept stage one as a script then |
| 22:53.20 | Tek_Grmln | too bad no wifi or camera or gps though |
| 22:53.32 | Tek_Grmln | means stage one is as far as it goes for now |
| 22:53.38 | torpor | that'll come in the next hardware revision .. |
| 22:54.02 | abraxa_ | Tek_Grmln: No GPS? |
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| 22:54.06 | ckuethe | gps works now. |
| 22:54.12 | torpor | you might wanna pay attention to http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ and make note of the model #'s that openmoko is running on .. |
| 22:54.12 | ckuethe | so i hear at least |
| 22:54.22 | torpor | ckuethe: works great for me here |
| 22:54.34 | Tek_Grmln | I have heard this and I have heard no, for now it is not a problem for me |
| 22:54.46 | ckuethe | haven't tried.... i'm getting screwed by rogers 850MHz service. |
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| 22:55.31 | torpor | btw, i did the bling-it-up port thats noted here: |
| 22:55.31 | torpor | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=4 |
| 22:55.56 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/gsmlog |
| 22:56.21 | SpeedEvil | A trivial (on-phone) script to do GSM status logging |
| 22:56.42 | SpeedEvil | using awk |
| 22:56.53 | torpor | thats pretty nice. |
| 22:56.59 | torpor | got a python version? |
| 22:57.01 | torpor | ;) |
| 22:57.03 | SpeedEvil | no. |
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| 23:00.56 | Tek_Grmln | sorry torpor, but I cant figure out how to get the minicom |
| 23:01.03 | Tek_Grmln | where do I get it form |
| 23:01.05 | Tek_Grmln | form |
| 23:01.08 | torpor | ipkg install minicom |
| 23:01.08 | Tek_Grmln | from |
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| 23:01.52 | torpor | if you cna't install minicom then check out SpeedEvil's script and work from there .. |
| 23:02.21 | Tek_Grmln | ipkg install minicom |
| 23:02.32 | Tek_Grmln | Cannot find package minicom |
| 23:03.05 | torpor | maybe you need to put scaredycat.conf in /etc/ipkg/ |
| 23:03.33 | SpeedEvil | The script is a script to log output of the engineering mode that gives details of all cells in range at 1s intervals |
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| 23:04.36 | Tek_Grmln | well I am done for tonight |
| 23:04.38 | dread | Tek_Grmln: or try to download it by hand from http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/minicom_2.1-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 23:04.58 | torpor | Tek_Grmln: ipkg install http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/minicom_2.1-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 23:05.08 | torpor | you can give ipkg a url for reference.. |
| 23:05.09 | Tek_Grmln | tomorrow I will put a new snapshot and try again |
| 23:05.23 | torpor | good luck! |
| 23:05.29 | torpor | i'm also off for the night |
| 23:05.30 | torpor | later |
| 23:05.42 | Tek_Grmln | thanks for all the help |
| 23:05.49 | torpor | you're welcome |
| 23:05.54 | torpor | stay positive |
| 23:06.00 | torpor | lets see you rock the demo .. ;) |
| 23:06.24 | CM | :) |
| 23:06.24 | Tek_Grmln | first one more shot at installing that package though |
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| 23:14.27 | balrog-kun | yay for LaF0rge |
| 23:15.35 | balrog-kun | it was quite insane |
| 23:22.54 | zash | hm |
| 23:23.16 | zash | why does om in qemu say connected to gsm network+ |
| 23:23.39 | ewon | hax |
| 23:24.07 | zash | omfghaxxorbbq |
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| 23:32.33 | balrog-kun | zash: because it connected to (virtual) gsm network |
| 23:32.39 | balrog-kun | qemu emulates one |
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| 23:34.18 | balrog-kun | if you attach phonesim, then there are even several operators to choose from and some numbers which you can dial and they will answer |
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