| 00:07.19 | cesarb | mwester-laptop: <slashdot>I have an AMD CPU, you insensitive clod!</slashdot> |
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| 00:10.20 | xcasex | mercurial ftw! |
| 00:11.05 | aevin | hg > mtn? why? |
| 00:11.20 | nbd | because mtn sucks ;) |
| 00:15.17 | cesarb | oh damn, I forgot I shouldn't mention "mtn" in this channel, because it *always* starts a crazy source control system discussion :P |
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| 00:39.33 | cesarb | how do I force bitbake to build uboot-openmoko (and only it) from the _svn revision instead of the old 1.2.0+git...+svn2943-r1? |
| 00:52.36 | mmontour | cesarb: from the build dir, "bitbake -b ../openembedded/packages/uboot/uboot-openmoko_svn.bb" |
| 00:53.21 | cesarb | mmontour: NOTE: package uboot-openmoko-1.2.0+git20071203+svnr1: started <- the version number looks strange... |
| 00:53.32 | cesarb | NOTE: package uboot-openmoko-1.2.0+git20071203+svnr1-r2: task do_fetch: started |
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| 00:54.51 | mmontour | You may need to patch bitbake for autorev support |
| 00:55.47 | cesarb | mmontour: great, more magic. |
| 00:55.50 | mmontour | There are instructions on the "OpenMoko2007.2" wiki page, and that's what I'm using |
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| 01:06.13 | cesarb | mmontour: works, thanks |
| 01:09.46 | rwhitby | cesarb: which patch? |
| 01:09.55 | cesarb | rwhitby: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2007-September/003035.html |
| 01:10.07 | cesarb | rwhitby: referenced by http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2 |
| 01:10.44 | cesarb | rwhitby: I added that to patches/bitbake-HEAD and added the extra line from the wiki to the local.conf on my overlay tree |
| 01:11.05 | cesarb | rwhitby: that enabled me to get the correct revision for ( . ./setup-env && cd build && bitbake -c build -b openembedded/packages/uboot/uboot-openmoko_svn.bb ) |
| 01:11.26 | cesarb | svnr3484-r2 instead of svnr1-r2 |
| 01:11.58 | cesarb | (I had to edit the patch to make it work with -p1, it was originally for -p0) |
| 01:17.59 | cesarb | rwhitby: looks like the extra line in local.conf is only for people who want bleeding edge stuff, but when added it needs the patch |
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| 04:03.13 | chillywilly | hello moko... |
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| 04:11.36 | Kero | ipkg upgrade, no upgrade after two weeks? I know I broke some stuff by upgrading two weeks ago; so is it me, or did this not get fixed? |
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| 04:39.16 | Atul | Hi, While testing AT Commands it gives me error sim not inserted why i get not getting I have inserted sim card on to ne0-1973. |
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| 04:44.21 | fba | Anyone around that might be able to help me with a MokoMakefile issue? |
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| 05:20.55 | CM | Morning |
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| 05:24.04 | Mononoke | <> school |
| 05:32.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1066 has been created by olv(AT)openmoko.com |
| 05:32.01 | cdbot2 | * * erations should not be batched |
| 05:32.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1066 |
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| 05:52.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1067 has been created by olv(AT)openmoko.com |
| 05:52.02 | cdbot2 | * * artifacts when doing glamo HW rotation |
| 05:52.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1067 |
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| 06:18.32 | CIA-14 | 03tick * r3548 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/atcmd.c: gsmd: Make gsmd llparse_byte() to be more tolerant for modem EVB board(Sean Chiang) |
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| 06:42.16 | CIA-14 | 03tick * r3550 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/atcmd.c: gsmd: Just avoid unnecessary remove-timer() function call when get multi-line (Sean Chiang) |
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| 07:08.27 | CIA-14 | 03tick * r3551 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (5 files in 4 dirs): gsmd: Rewrite read, readrg and find of phonebook. (Sean Chiang) |
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| 07:15.25 | Xamindar | anyone here? |
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| 07:17.23 | CM | Xamindar: There are, but the question is if we're awake ;) |
| 07:19.32 | blindcoder | moin |
| 07:19.53 | emdete | hi |
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| 08:30.06 | emdete | hm, my neo doesn't seem to re-read the /etv/resolv.conf when it changes (because it lost usb but dialed into gprs). has anyone a solution for that? isn't that a libc-thing? |
| 08:34.20 | CM | emdete: Ask XorA|gone about it maybe, I think he fixed the automatic generation of resolv.conf |
| 08:34.55 | emdete | CM: i already fixed it (see my wiki enhancements ;) ). but it won't be re-read by a already running process |
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| 08:35.26 | emdete | CM: the generation in pppd package is totally screwed... shure. |
| 08:37.54 | emdete | CM: i am playing around with always-on. my neo uses usb if connected, bt if avaiable and at last gprs |
| 08:39.13 | emdete | CM: this is why the /etc/resolv.conf is always changing but namelookup of my app always uses the one that was active when the app started |
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| 08:41.08 | CM | emdete: Ah, ok. Cool work :) |
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| 08:42.31 | ruxpin | does gta01 or gta02 have device-orientation detection hardware? |
| 08:43.28 | CM | ruxpin: You mean accelerometers or a compass? |
| 08:43.36 | ruxpin | is it possible to auto-rotate a photo when you rotate the device? |
| 08:43.51 | torpor | not with gta01 |
| 08:43.53 | torpor | yes with gta02 |
| 08:44.03 | CM | In gta2 there will be two built in accelerometers |
| 08:44.05 | torpor | and for the record its called accelerometers |
| 08:44.08 | ruxpin | like in cameras, that detect the position of the camera |
| 08:45.20 | readon | how would i use gtk+directfb? |
| 08:48.02 | emdete | readon: that's a little bit generic question... |
| 08:48.13 | readon | i write a recipe for gtk on directfb.but gtk+ depends on gtk+-directfb now. |
| 08:49.07 | readon | "angstrom-gtk-image.do_rootfs" -> "gtk+-directfb.do_populate_staging" |
| 08:49.17 | readon | in task-depends.dot |
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| 08:50.03 | emdete | readon: sorry, that's an area where i can't help - i used directfb on the device with an own app |
| 08:55.53 | readon | emdete thanks all the same. |
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| 08:56.13 | readon | emdete, do you use directfb directly? |
| 09:01.26 | emdete | readon: yes. it has a wonderful api :D |
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| 09:02.59 | emdete | readon: and my app is very simple. i dont need full blown fat gtk |
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| 09:06.10 | readon | emdete: have you tried fltk before? |
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| 09:14.13 | NineX | ScaredyCat: u-boot-good-fr-sd-boot-r13_0_2632_0.bin is for gta01v4 ? |
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| 09:18.12 | NineX | some one tell be that i need to do nanr erase u-boot before u-boot upgrade ? |
| 09:18.26 | NineX | s/nanr/nand/ |
| 09:18.43 | NineX | s/be/me/ |
| 09:19.10 | Mononoke | apt: you are stupid bot |
| 09:19.11 | apt | Mononoke: what are you talking about? |
| 09:19.26 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 09:19.58 | NineX | ScaredyCat: yes - first question , yes second ? ;) |
| 09:21.24 | Mononoke | NineX: I think that second question doesn't expect boolean |
| 09:21.59 | Mononoke | oh wait :S my bad |
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| 09:24.51 | ScaredyCat | I only saw one |
| 09:25.08 | ScaredyCat | <NineX> [10:14] ScaredyCat: u-boot-good-fr-sd-boot-r13_0_2632_0.bin is for gta01v4 ? |
| 09:25.38 | ScaredyCat | oo, now I see the other but it seems to be the same one |
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| 09:34.02 | emdete | readon: fltk? i think so - wasn't that the toolkit with flwm? |
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| 09:35.59 | readon | emdete: yes, how about that widgets? does that run fast & easy to use? |
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| 09:40.28 | torpor | so is directfb pretty easy to use on the gta01? |
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| 09:40.39 | torpor | i've considered trying it out but i'm doing okay with gtk buffers right now. |
| 09:40.43 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: I need to upgrade monotone too? |
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| 09:50.12 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: why would you need to upgrade monotone? |
| 09:53.35 | ScaredyCat | your new makefile... |
| 09:53.37 | ScaredyCat | mtn: misuse: /home/moko/newBuild/OE.mtn appears to be a monotone database, but this version of |
| 09:53.37 | ScaredyCat | mtn: misuse: monotone does not recognize its schema. |
| 09:55.27 | NineX | ha |
| 09:55.38 | NineX | my neo1973 arrived :> |
| 09:55.49 | zash | yay4u |
| 09:55.52 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: why did you change your OE.mtn? |
| 09:56.03 | ScaredyCat | i didn't |
| 09:56.20 | rwhitby | well, you either changed your OE.mtn, or you changed your mtn executable. |
| 09:56.21 | ScaredyCat | I just updated mokomakefile |
| 09:56.25 | Ghiottone|work | morning |
| 09:56.36 | Ghiottone|work | NineX gratz! :) |
| 09:56.37 | ScaredyCat | if I roll back to the old one it's fine |
| 09:56.42 | emdete | torpor: yes, it really easy. i checked several other solutions (like the e-stack) but directfb was less pain as those. evas sux, to buggy, no docs, bad api design. |
| 09:56.44 | ScaredyCat | (makefile) |
| 09:57.36 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: prove it to me - use the exact same OE.mtn (not a different one in a different directory) and pastebin how it works with old mokomakefile and fails with the new one. I simply don't believe you, but am willing to be surprised. |
| 09:58.08 | rwhitby | I suspect you have two separate OE.mtn files, one in your old directory, and one in newBuild. |
| 09:59.17 | rwhitby | and I suspect you downloaded the new one from the OM snapshot area (or you didn't have one in newBuild to start with, and mokomakefile downloaded it from the OM snapshot area and there is something wrong with their snapshots there) |
| 09:59.28 | rwhitby | how close am I? |
| 10:00.54 | emdete | readon: no i don't use any widgets. didnt know that fltk is avaiable for directfb. i checked one with something-light but that was very basic |
| 10:01.43 | ScaredyCat | http://pastebin.ca/804295 |
| 10:01.48 | emdete | readon: problem with directfb is that hw-acceleration won't be done if gta02 is released. openmoko guys will do that for x11 only. so i wait with my gui (have curses for now :D ) |
| 10:02.07 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: you suspect wrong |
| 10:03.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1068 has been created by tick(AT)openmoko.com |
| 10:03.02 | cdbot2 | * * sms use cases |
| 10:03.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1068 |
| 10:03.56 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: ok, my second guess is that you had a local hack to the Makefile to set MTN to /home/moko/newBuild/monotone/monotone-0.35/mtn and lost it when you updated. How close is that one? |
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| 10:04.35 | rwhitby | (i.e. you changed your mtn executable, which I first queried) |
| 10:04.39 | XorA | emdete: you can start of directfb accelleration now |
| 10:05.34 | ScaredyCat | 100% rwhitby... I forgot about that one ... :P |
| 10:05.38 | emdete | XorA: i did not understand that sentence... hm, sry, non-native english |
| 10:05.52 | torpor | ScaredyCat: i too have had problems with the new makefile.. ended up doing a full clobber and starting completely from scratch. |
| 10:05.57 | torpor | seems like its progressing further now .. |
| 10:06.00 | XorA | emdete: the Xserver source is available, you can port to directfb now |
| 10:06.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1069 has been created by tick(AT)openmoko.com |
| 10:06.01 | cdbot2 | * * Voice mail use cases |
| 10:06.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1069 |
| 10:06.20 | rwhitby | torpor: ScaredyCat's problem was between the keyboard and chair, not the makefile. |
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| 10:06.36 | ScaredyCat | my problem was a User out of memory error torpor ;) |
| 10:07.02 | XorA | ~pebcak |
| 10:07.03 | apt | from memory, pebcak is Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
| 10:07.24 | ScaredyCat | ~fish XorA |
| 10:07.24 | apt | ACTION slaps XorA around with a large trout |
| 10:07.28 | emdete | XorA: ..i could, maybe.. but that would be complex, right? |
| 10:07.29 | ScaredyCat | ~blame rwhitby |
| 10:07.30 | apt | ACTION blames rwhitby (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 10:07.38 | torpor | what i'm having problesm with now is the disk space usage. i simply don't get it. before (i use rm_work) the change to the new makefile, i had no problems with disk space but now it like i've eaten up 12gigs just doing up to build 3062 of 5051 |
| 10:07.50 | ScaredyCat | it does that |
| 10:08.00 | ScaredyCat | it uses masses of space |
| 10:08.06 | ScaredyCat | I got it up to 16gig |
| 10:08.15 | emdete | XorA: i don't even have a gta02 for testing... :) |
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| 10:08.41 | torpor | this is whack because i don't have the disk space .. so i don't get whats going on, other than that rmwork isn't working. |
| 10:09.32 | ScaredyCat | no, rm_work is probbly working, it's just that it *can't* clean out until everything that depends on those files is done... |
| 10:10.05 | torpor | damnit |
| 10:10.06 | ScaredyCat | the disk space usage peaks, then drops dramatically |
| 10:10.21 | torpor | well i look forward to it peaking and then dropping dramatically. |
| 10:10.21 | ScaredyCat | I had to buy a bigger hd for my lappy |
| 10:10.37 | torpor | i'm running in a VM situation, so its a bit more tricky for me .. |
| 10:10.39 | ScaredyCat | but now I don't have to rm_work |
| 10:10.49 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 10:11.22 | torpor | i wish i had the space. |
| 10:11.31 | torpor | maybe i'll have to move my work to a new disk .. grrr ... |
| 10:11.48 | torpor | hats the name of that app that gives you a graphical view of yoru disk? |
| 10:11.55 | rwhitby | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:11.59 | NineX | ha |
| 10:12.02 | torpor | kenvy |
| 10:12.02 | ScaredyCat | well, it's filling up now too, since I'm also keeping all the downloads inc versions |
| 10:12.04 | torpor | envy |
| 10:12.07 | XorA | torpor: move your sources to another location |
| 10:12.19 | torpor | XorA: just by moving sources and doing a link then? |
| 10:12.28 | ScaredyCat | kdirstat ? |
| 10:12.36 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 10:12.36 | XorA | torpor: or change the variable that points to them |
| 10:12.38 | ScaredyCat | you can |
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| 10:12.45 | rwhitby | yeah, always symlink your sources dir to some central location that you share amongst all builds |
| 10:12.47 | ScaredyCat | symlink your sources |
| 10:13.06 | XorA | DL_DIR |
| 10:13.30 | ScaredyCat | symlinks are much better.. |
| 10:13.51 | XorA | ScaredyCat: set DL_DIR once and forget is my motto |
| 10:13.52 | torpor | the thing is though, i've been running this build since yesterday and its on job 3085 of 5051 .. so maybe i'll let it finish. is there a possibility that i wont' run out of disk space now? |
| 10:14.00 | ScaredyCat | I miss the old Amiga way... |
| 10:14.15 | ScaredyCat | a simlink could be multiple destinations |
| 10:14.19 | XorA | torpor: you can stop a build, change sources and restart without having to restart from beginning |
| 10:14.20 | ScaredyCat | symlink |
| 10:14.47 | ScaredyCat | yeah, just stop the build... |
| 10:15.10 | ScaredyCat | move your sources and kick it off agon, it'll only start from where itgot to |
| 10:15.41 | ScaredyCat | you type faster :) |
| 10:15.52 | XorA | microsfot natural keyboard :-) |
| 10:16.04 | ScaredyCat | there's nothing natural about it |
| 10:16.07 | torpor | ok |
| 10:16.16 | torpor | ERROR: /home/j/hak/openmoko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/openmoko-tasks2-0.1.0+svnr348-r1/install/openmoko-tasks2/usr/share/applications/tasks.desktop: error: file contains key "SingleInstance" in group "Desktop Entry", but keys extending the format should start with "X-" |
| 10:16.23 | torpor | sup with that?\ |
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| 10:17.53 | XorA | torpor: its harmless I think |
| 10:19.29 | XorA | that wasnt me |
| 10:22.44 | torpor | i guess the compile stage is over and its now doing "do_populate_staging" so there is not so much of a chance of heavy disk space usage to come, right? |
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| 10:26.42 | CM | NineX: Be careful with nand erase! |
| 10:27.29 | Stephmw | mornin |
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| 10:33.59 | cesarb | emdete: you could perhaps try nscd and/or lwresd, might be easier to force a reload of resolv.conf with these |
| 10:35.33 | cesarb | emdete: now, if only I knew how to force everything to reread the timezone info when I upgrade it every year... |
| 10:36.20 | cosmin | i can't build module-init-tools-cross with mokomakefile, i always get a linker error: `/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lc' |
| 10:36.33 | cosmin | anyone knows why this happens? |
| 10:36.34 | torpor | woot, 5gigs free. nuked my open2x dev tree. :( |
| 10:39.48 | hrw | torpor: by removing few build dirs I got 43G recently |
| 10:40.18 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 10:51.25 | torpor | okay its time for school .. catch you guys later. hopefully i'll have a finished build this evening .. |
| 10:59.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1070 has been created by dodji(AT)openedhand.com |
| 10:59.01 | cdbot2 | * * e DMA references from the code |
| 10:59.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1070 |
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| 11:16.24 | mbuf | any recent successful builds? |
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| 11:54.31 | CM | mbuf: fails on splash for me |
| 11:54.39 | CM | ~blame pfalcon |
| 11:54.40 | apt | ACTION blames pfalcon (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 11:56.02 | NineX | how to chec battery state from command line |
| 12:01.32 | mbuf | CM, was thinking of updating my very old build |
| 12:02.01 | mbuf | CM, but, isn't it not possible to update only patches for a package that I am interested in, and still build the image? would that break anything? |
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| 12:04.42 | CM | cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/battvolt |
| 12:04.50 | CM | NineX: ^^ |
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| 12:18.00 | CIA-14 | 03werner * r3552 10/trunk/src/host/splash/splashimg.pl: |
| 12:18.00 | CIA-14 | Fixed typo making it impossible to select 16 bpp mode. |
| 12:18.00 | CIA-14 | http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1022 |
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| 12:36.03 | cosmin | rwhitby: i have a problem with the mokomakefile http://pastebin.com/m1a3cd402 |
| 12:37.30 | rwhitby | cosmin: never seen that one before. What host OS and distro do you run? |
| 12:37.53 | cosmin | mandriva linux 2008.0 |
| 12:38.21 | borg_ | cosmin: do you have a dualcore cpu? |
| 12:38.36 | cosmin | i asked about the same thing on friday, and someone suggested to do `bitbake gcc-cross' manually |
| 12:38.43 | cosmin | borg_: yes, i do |
| 12:38.58 | borg_ | here was a problem, that the cross-build libc was'nt ready and it started already compiling something else depending on it |
| 12:39.02 | borg_ | ah, then it is probably the same |
| 12:39.16 | cosmin | it does the same with one job only |
| 12:39.23 | borg_ | try to do make rebuild-package-libc and then restart the thing |
| 12:39.26 | borg_ | mh |
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| 12:43.13 | NineX | do openmoko emitting any sounds when running on neo1973 ? |
| 12:43.26 | borg_ | yes |
| 12:43.41 | borg_ | there is a start sound, a klick sound and a ringtone in the official image |
| 12:43.45 | josch | NineX, if it doesn't check pulsaudio |
| 12:43.56 | josch | NineX, also try aplay |
| 12:44.39 | NineX | borg_: i'm using ScaredyCat image |
| 12:44.49 | NineX | s/i'm/i/ |
| 12:45.01 | borg_ | NineX: this doesnt have click sounds and start sounds |
| 12:45.09 | NineX | mhm |
| 12:45.10 | NineX | ok |
| 12:45.35 | NineX | borg_: do i need to change someting in alsamixer , or factory set are ok ? |
| 12:45.51 | borg_ | for me it is ok since some month now |
| 12:46.03 | borg_ | have you tried to play something with the mediaplayer? |
| 12:46.03 | NineX | ok |
| 12:46.10 | NineX | yes |
| 12:46.19 | NineX | but sound is extreemly quiet |
| 12:46.32 | CM | Try alsamixer and just increase the volume :) |
| 12:46.34 | NineX | and quite fuzy when plain ogg |
| 12:46.39 | borg_ | you can make it louder with a motion in mediaplayer |
| 12:46.49 | borg_ | drag from bottum to top in the mediaplayer |
| 12:47.02 | NineX | CM: sure but there are lott of switches |
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| 12:55.50 | NineX | neo 1973 have enough computepower to play ogg? |
| 12:56.15 | CM | Barely I think.. |
| 12:56.26 | CM | Ask abraxa_ about details :) |
| 12:56.42 | mjr | ogg vorbis, yes (at least reasonable bitrates) |
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| 12:56.57 | mjr | the gui player does have some overhead and skips a bit for me currently |
| 12:57.06 | Dvalin | isn't there an implementation of ogg vorbis that doesn't require FPU for embedded stuff as well? |
| 12:57.17 | emdete | but ogg uses much more cpu power that mp3 because there is libmad that does not need a fpu |
| 12:57.24 | mjr | part of it is playing through the sound server; ogg123 from command line direct to alsa plays a lot better... |
| 12:57.25 | NineX | hmm wher in application is exit button ? |
| 12:57.39 | CM | NineX: Press the power button once |
| 12:57.44 | mjr | Dvalin, yes, I was told it was in use |
| 12:58.11 | emdete | mjr: ...but takes 80-90% of the cpu power |
| 12:58.54 | cosmin | borg_: i couldn't rebuild glibc |
| 12:59.20 | borg_ | cosmin: glibc != libc |
| 12:59.26 | josch | ogg is i.e. nicely played be sdl-mixer in wesnoth |
| 12:59.31 | borg_ | i think -lc means libc, doesn't it? |
| 12:59.45 | cosmin | indeed |
| 13:00.28 | cosmin | but there's no package named libc |
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| 13:02.40 | cosmin | and i thought glibc means gnu libc |
| 13:03.10 | mjr | it does |
| 13:04.11 | borg_ | oh, of course |
| 13:04.23 | borg_ | i mixed glibc and glib |
| 13:05.57 | borg_ | so you can't build (g)libc either? |
| 13:05.58 | borg_ | strange |
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| 13:10.57 | NineX | CM: if i put neo to sleep, battery will be still charged? |
| 13:11.15 | CM | NineX: If it's plugged in it should |
| 13:11.20 | NineX | ok |
| 13:11.38 | cosmin | borg_: no, glibc won't compile, and the error log was so long it didn't fit in my console's buffer |
| 13:11.39 | CM | NineX: Also, depends if you have a fairly new uboot or not |
| 13:12.21 | NineX | CM: i have version from ScaredyCat good for sd boot |
| 13:12.22 | CM | NineX: I don't know if it will still fast charge, but mine seems to charge fine :) |
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| 13:13.16 | borg_ | cosmin: mh, don't know |
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| 13:13.38 | CM | NineX: Hmm.. That one probably still have the slow charge bug, but that's only relevant if you totally drain the battery. Then you need to take it out to make sure the gsm modem powers off too, or it will not chargre |
| 13:14.01 | CM | The bug was that instead of 100mA it only took 50mA |
| 13:17.23 | NineX | ok |
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| 13:17.56 | Pengu1n | hi there, |
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| 13:18.09 | Pengu1n | I'v flashed my neo with snapshot 2007.11 |
| 13:18.22 | Pengu1n | both kernel and rootfs |
| 13:19.52 | Pengu1n | It seem that rootfs craped, my neo cann't startup X now |
| 13:20.18 | Pengu1n | howto attach to u-boot and earse nand rootfs? |
| 13:21.20 | CM | Pengu1n: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot#Using_usbtty_from_Linux |
| 13:23.25 | cosmin | is the glibc version relevant? i have glibc 2.6, and mokomakefile tries to build glibc 2.5 |
| 13:24.05 | Pengu1n | thanks, I got it, erase now. |
| 13:24.05 | borg_ | cosmin: no, it makes a glbic for arm there is no relationship to your host glibc |
| 13:24.30 | Pengu1n | reflash rootfs now: |
| 13:25.16 | Pengu1n | Shall I prex AUX every 25 second? |
| 13:25.38 | Pengu1n | I've flashed new u-boot already |
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| 13:27.58 | CM | Pengu1n: Once you start to flash the kernel or rootfs you don't have to press aux any more |
| 13:28.08 | CM | Only when you're in the uboot menu |
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| 13:29.55 | Pengu1n | thx. my neo can boot into GUI now:) after erase rootfs and reflash it |
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| 13:30.52 | CM | Good :) |
| 13:31.28 | NineX | CM: where was a workaround to pin bug? |
| 13:31.44 | Pengu1n | cool, thans very much CM |
| 13:31.55 | CM | NineX: In mickey's reply to the devel list |
| 13:32.40 | CM | NineX: a) submit the PIN once |
| 13:32.40 | CM | b) press cancel for all subsequently appearing PIN dialogs |
| 13:32.40 | CM | c) use the gsm panel applet to power on the antenna and then autoregister. |
| 13:33.36 | cosmin | i guess there are no pre-built binaries for openmoko... right? |
| 13:33.50 | mjr | are |
| 13:34.01 | NineX | in ScaredyCat build pin pin popup dosn't show |
| 13:34.24 | CM | I don't have a pin on my sim so I don't know |
| 13:34.52 | borg_ | cosmin: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.11/images/neo1973/ |
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| 13:35.43 | cosmin | wow, cool |
| 13:36.10 | cosmin | can i use these to develop applications for openmoko? |
| 13:37.36 | borg_ | cosmin: there is a toolchain to develop applications |
| 13:37.38 | borg_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain |
| 13:37.47 | borg_ | you don't need to make your own images for that |
| 13:38.37 | CM | cosmin: The easiest way is probably to develop in gtk on your desktop, then try to cross compile it to arm and run on the neo |
| 13:38.44 | borg_ | the toolchain will make an ipk, you can install that with "ipkg install package.ipk" on the neo |
| 13:39.56 | borg_ | cosmin: but keep in mind that the pixels on your desktop display are much bigger, probably |
| 13:40.08 | cosmin | great, i didn't know about the toolchain |
| 13:40.12 | borg_ | so you need to make your buttons bigger then you might think first and so on |
| 13:40.17 | borg_ | cosmin: it is new ;) |
| 13:41.18 | cosmin | is there an emulator i can try before installing on the neo? |
| 13:41.52 | borg_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu |
| 13:42.13 | borg_ | but qemu is incredible slow |
| 13:42.16 | borg_ | at least for me |
| 13:42.30 | cosmin | slower than neo? |
| 13:42.33 | borg_ | yes |
| 13:42.42 | CM | Much slower |
| 13:42.44 | borg_ | it is like a 10mhz neo |
| 13:42.44 | borg_ | :D |
| 13:42.48 | CM | Hehe |
| 13:43.17 | cosmin | well, i'll give it a try |
| 13:43.32 | cosmin | thanks for the info |
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| 13:55.42 | Pengu1n | how to check the battery capable now?? |
| 13:57.19 | CM | Pengu1n: From the terminal? |
| 13:58.12 | Pengu1n | yeah, it's charging now, the battery applet only show a Lighting:) |
| 13:58.19 | CM | cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/battvolt |
| 13:58.50 | CM | I think there's some graphs somewhere showing what voltage is what |
| 13:59.26 | hrw | Pengu1n: cat /proc/apm |
| 13:59.44 | CM | Oh :) |
| 14:00.01 | borg_ | root@fic-gta01:~$ cat /proc/apm |
| 14:00.02 | hrw | or just run 'apm' |
| 14:00.02 | borg_ | 1.13 1.2 0x02 0x01 0x03 0x08 -1% -1 ? |
| 14:00.03 | borg_ | mh |
| 14:00.06 | borg_ | what ar the numbers? |
| 14:00.16 | hrw | -1% == charging |
| 14:00.21 | Pengu1n | root@fic-gta01:~$ apmOn-line, battery charging |
| 14:00.38 | hrw | gta01 does not give info about amount of charge during charging |
| 14:00.43 | Pengu1n | the screensaver/locker is very Cool:) |
| 14:00.57 | borg_ | nice :) |
| 14:00.58 | hrw | annoying |
| 14:01.14 | XorA | ~lart nokia for not releasing n810 yet |
| 14:01.14 | apt | explains, ever so gently, that if nokia doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help for not releasing n810 yet |
| 14:01.41 | hrw | XorA: thats problem? |
| 14:02.11 | XorA | hrw: I wanted one in time for christmas hols |
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| 14:04.36 | Pengu1n | 'fast_cccv' means my neo is in fast charge mode? |
| 14:04.43 | borg_ | it does |
| 14:04.58 | hrw | yes |
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| 14:07.10 | Pengu1n | thx. I heared that new snapshot can save more power, and thant make neo can use longer time? |
| 14:07.46 | Pengu1n | If it's true, I'll bring my neo to home this night:) |
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| 14:08.49 | gi-el | shenki |
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| 14:08.54 | Pengu1n | bye all. thx |
| 14:11.02 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1071 has been created by hrw(AT)openedhand.com |
| 14:11.03 | cdbot2 | * * Please remove old kernel modules from feeds |
| 14:11.04 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1071 |
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| 14:31.00 | Pengu1n|Home | Hi, there. |
| 14:31.47 | Pengu1n|Home | my neo cann't boot from normal mode. Must boot into DFU mode, then press power key to select boot, then it boot as will |
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| 14:39.00 | ScaredyCat | how the hell do you use mtn revert |
| 14:39.17 | hrw | mtn revert file |
| 14:39.24 | ScaredyCat | file by file ?! |
| 14:39.25 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 14:39.55 | hrw | mtn revert here-put-any-names-of-files-or-wildcards-read-manual-it-does-not-hurts-really |
| 14:40.50 | ScaredyCat | i-would-read-it-but-it-isn't-very-readable |
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| 14:44.17 | anrp | manual? |
| 14:44.24 | anrp | sorry, what? :p |
| 14:44.40 | ScaredyCat | hrrmm |
| 14:45.05 | ScaredyCat | it doesn't do directories |
| 14:45.16 | ScaredyCat | and wildcards sort of work |
| 14:45.36 | ynezz | use bash then |
| 14:47.18 | ScaredyCat | yes,, I know how to get round it, but it doesn't help being told you can use wildcards when they work in some retarded way |
| 14:48.22 | ScaredyCat | in fact.. |
| 14:48.39 | ScaredyCat | wildcards seem to be implied in some places... |
| 14:48.43 | ScaredyCat | it's raher confusing |
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| 14:49.36 | dw | hey guys |
| 14:49.51 | CIA-14 | 03chris * r3553 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (17 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 14:49.51 | CIA-14 | * src/dialer/dialer-main.c: (main): |
| 14:49.51 | CIA-14 | Change object path/interface name to match re-factoring |
| 14:49.51 | CIA-14 | * src/phone-kit/Makefile.am: |
| 14:49.51 | CIA-14 | * src/phone-kit/dialer-main.c: (_dial_number), (main): |
| 14:49.52 | CIA-14 | * src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-dbus.xml: |
| 14:49.54 | CIA-14 | * src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-mcc-dc.h: |
| 14:49.54 | dw | is there any point in me ordering the GTA01? i've been waiting forever for the GTA02, but looks like 2008 by the earliest |
| 14:50.15 | CM | dw: Depends on what you want to do with it |
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| 14:50.43 | dw | CM: really i want it for my normal phone. i've wanted to do lots of things on my phone for years, and openmoko seems to enable that |
| 14:50.49 | dw | (e.g. client-side anonymous call rejection) |
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| 14:50.50 | ScaredyCat | mickeyl has said that the gta01 will ontinue to be supported... |
| 14:51.01 | dw | ah, that's interesting |
| 14:51.06 | ScaredyCat | you just wont get the extra bits.. |
| 14:51.12 | dw | i might give it one more month :) |
| 14:51.13 | ScaredyCat | like wifi and accelerometers |
| 14:51.22 | XorA | ScaredyCat: out with the soldering iron :-) |
| 14:51.25 | dw | the 802.11 is desirable |
| 14:51.32 | CM | I wonder if the powermangement is better in gta02? |
| 14:51.50 | ScaredyCat | XorA: if you'd seen the quality of my soldering you wouldn;t suggest that ;) |
| 14:52.07 | XorA | ScaredyCat: cant be worse than some peoples Ive seen |
| 14:52.23 | dw | i've had some idea of recording + compressing every call i make, and uploading that to a vmware instance running dragon naturallyspeaking, returning the text output, and having the phone maintain a keyword index of my calls |
| 14:52.50 | cjb_ie | dw: now that would rock. i gather google are doing speech indexing of video already |
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| 14:53.05 | CM | dw: Hehe, uploading calls with gprs won't be so nice though.. |
| 14:53.22 | dw | CM: true :) it doesn't need to happen quickly though. just as long as it happens eventually, and i can search |
| 14:53.31 | CM | *nod* |
| 14:53.53 | dw | cjb_ie: legal implications aside, i really want to implement it =) |
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| 14:54.26 | fred_ | rwhitby: curl doesn't build with mokomakefile |
| 14:54.27 | mjr | at least round here there would be no legal implications |
| 14:54.41 | mjr | for your own use, anyway |
| 14:55.13 | cjb_ie | i'd imagine most jurisdictions you have to tell the other person you're recording them. |
| 14:55.18 | dw | mjr: i think in the UK and ireland, you must explicitly tell the caller that they are being recorded |
| 14:55.33 | dw | s/tell the caller/ask their permission/ or something like that |
| 14:55.49 | cjb_ie | though, i can't imagine any problem with only recording the tx side of the conversation |
| 14:56.01 | dw | cjb_ie: aah, i didn't think that would be possible |
| 14:56.04 | mjr | you could automate a "This call is being recorded for quality control" note to be played back at start of calls :] |
| 14:56.07 | xcasex | dw feel free to port gnome-swift :p |
| 14:56.26 | xcasex | its a gnome frontend to cepstrals sw |
| 14:57.07 | zash | AFAIK in .se you can record all you want as long as one party knows its beeing recorded |
| 14:57.31 | zash | and that beeing you obviously |
| 14:57.49 | mjr | zash, us nordics have similar laws often, yes |
| 14:58.22 | mjr | if you're a party, you can augment your memory |
| 14:58.34 | xcasex | what the.. how many swedes are in 'ere? raise yer gimpy hands lads |
| 14:59.08 | mjr | xcasex, you'll miss all the blonde identical twin sisters that way |
| 14:59.20 | xcasex | ;_; |
| 15:06.12 | CM | mjr: Hehe |
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| 15:09.12 | xcasex | anyone portng any of the desktop voip apps to the moko? |
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| 15:22.20 | DukeOfURL | Good morning! |
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| 15:22.46 | DukeOfURL | Can someone help me with the build process? |
| 15:23.00 | DukeOfURL | *** No rule to make target 'arm-elf' |
| 15:23.40 | DukeOfURL | It has built stuff in /usr/src, which is a nono |
| 15:24.22 | DukeOfURL | it has built /usr/src/armtoolchain |
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| 16:05.12 | abraxa_ | DukeOfURL: Did you check OE bugzilla? |
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| 16:15.19 | anrp | a bug? |
| 16:15.24 | anrp | in MY oe? |
| 16:15.28 | anrp | unthinkable |
| 16:16.02 | abraxa_ | No, no - not in yours |
| 16:16.05 | abraxa_ | In his ;) |
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| 16:20.36 | DukeOfURL | abraxa_: nothing found searching for arm-elf |
| 16:21.12 | abraxa__ | DukeOfURL: Time to file a bug then :) |
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| 16:42.59 | PBeck | hi |
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| 17:09.55 | NineX | how to set UTC offset of my time in openmoko |
| 17:11.51 | josch | +1 to NineX question |
| 17:12.49 | torpor | yo |
| 17:13.27 | NineX | openmoko is ignoring symlink what i created betwen /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Warsaw -> /etc/localtime |
| 17:14.09 | torpor | there is a lot of 'linux-ness' that openmoko ignores. |
| 17:14.22 | torpor | this is a consequence of any distro-with-purpose-x style projects |
| 17:14.25 | torpor | they forget to be a proper unix box |
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| 17:14.51 | buz | sounds like you want debian/neo :P |
| 17:14.58 | torpor | no |
| 17:15.08 | torpor | tho' that wouldn't be a bad thing (nor particularly difficult) |
| 17:15.08 | NineX | buz: i whana gentoo neo!!! |
| 17:15.12 | torpor | bah |
| 17:15.22 | buz | NineX: only if you do it on neo from stage1 |
| 17:15.35 | torpor | there are good reasons for distro's to throw away unix-ness, though. forget this at your peril!! |
| 17:15.57 | NineX | buz: i think it is possible |
| 17:15.59 | NineX | ;P |
| 17:15.59 | buz | (i think that would amount to cruel and unusual punishment, though) |
| 17:16.13 | buz | well i'm gonna up it then: on battery |
| 17:17.46 | mickey|dinner | well, a lot of the linux-ness you are speaking about is really just sysinit scripts and bash |
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| 17:18.08 | mickey|dinner | or any other (non-busybox) shell for that matter |
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| 17:21.26 | torpor | mickey|dinner: its not just initscripts, its systems policy (and app policing by administrative glue) |
| 17:22.11 | torpor | in the good ol' days you couldn't be a unix unless you got certified, and part of that process meant that yes indeed, initscripts had to be used for all services, and such things as touching timezone would send the proper signals to onboard daemons. |
| 17:22.20 | torpor | daemons also had to be certified. |
| 17:22.40 | torpor | but there is none of that in systems like openmoko (which is a new arrival on the unix-system non-compliance scene) |
| 17:23.23 | torpor | i'm not complaining, but just pointing it out that this is a problem endemic across all linux-repurposed-as-X style projects .. |
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| 17:23.44 | torpor | LSB-embedded would be nice. |
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| 17:49.57 | ScaredyCat | did some fix that psplash brokenness btw... |
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| 17:51.23 | abraxa_ | ScaredyCat: What's broken about it aside from the lack of efficiency? |
| 17:51.39 | ScaredyCat | previos patches don't apply |
| 17:52.15 | abraxa_ | Oh, hm |
| 17:52.18 | CM | ScaredyCat: It's still broken for me.. |
| 17:52.28 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
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| 17:52.40 | ScaredyCat | it's the configuability patch |
| 17:52.45 | ScaredyCat | configurability |
| 17:52.50 | CM | Ah, now gcc-cross is broken too |
| 17:52.55 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 17:53.10 | CM | BrokenMoko (tm) is back.. |
| 17:53.15 | torpor | that blows |
| 17:53.18 | ScaredyCat | ~emulate mickeyl |
| 17:53.24 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 17:55.00 | XorA|gone | CM: already fixed |
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| 17:55.21 | ScaredyCat | you want the moko ? |
| 17:55.29 | ScaredyCat | you can't andle the moko! |
| 17:55.32 | CM | XorA|gone: Ok, nice :) |
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| 17:56.09 | abraxa_ | ~hail XorA |
| 17:56.10 | apt | ACTION bows down to XorA and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 17:56.16 | abraxa_ | hurhur |
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| 18:06.27 | NineX | hmm |
| 18:06.48 | NineX | after reboot localtima has set correctly |
| 18:06.49 | NineX | :> |
| 18:07.04 | NineX | hm |
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| 18:07.53 | NineX | wirld my battery was 95% full 3 hours ago, now i was check battery is stiull 95% |
| 18:11.06 | anrp | maybe the controller thinks its full? |
| 18:11.26 | anrp | for lithium, if you don't do the top off charge, you can extend cycle life dramatically |
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| 18:14.24 | anrp | but more usually, most lithium chargers will not fully charge since any overcharge is dangerous |
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| 18:14.50 | anrp | they'll oscillate between 95-99 or so .. |
| 18:15.01 | anrp | thats very general but it makes a good rule of thumb |
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| 18:30.27 | guaqua | magikarp ^__^ |
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| 18:35.18 | anrp | uh oh |
| 18:35.27 | anrp | the horde of /b .. |
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| 18:37.34 | abraxa_ | 4chan? |
| 18:38.15 | guaqua | i'm guessing *chan |
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| 18:45.49 | Hicks | Hello guys :) |
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| 18:46.20 | Hicks | I'm testing gllin, and i'm having a little problem is there someone who knows about gllin please? |
| 18:46.46 | abraxa_ | Heya Hicks |
| 18:46.56 | abraxa_ | Just ask your question and anyone who knows will answer ;3 |
| 18:46.57 | Hicks | Hello Abraxa |
| 18:46.59 | Hicks | ermm |
| 18:47.04 | Hicks | well it's complicated |
| 18:47.19 | Hicks | i'm writing a piece of code using QT, with a timer in it (each 1 second). |
| 18:47.26 | abraxa_ | Yes of course, nothing is simple in IT :) |
| 18:47.35 | Hicks | The timer is supposed to trigger a read to /tmp/nmeaNP |
| 18:47.56 | Hicks | so far i understood that this file is a FIFO, but i can't achieve a proper "read" opperation |
| 18:48.16 | Hicks | my "reading" routine always "waits" for the next data to arrive, it never reaches EOF |
| 18:48.40 | Hicks | What can i do about that? I don't want to cat the output of the GPS to a file, is there a propoer way to read it directly from the FIFO? |
| 18:48.59 | Hicks | i tried making my own QIODevice but it failed, now i'm trying with QFile and a timer, with no success. |
| 18:49.21 | Hicks | Is there anyone here who knows a but about QT and reading in a FIFO with a timer? |
| 18:49.22 | pH5 | Hicks: that's a QT question, not a gllin question :) |
| 18:49.28 | toggles_w | Hicks: select()? |
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| 18:49.38 | Hicks | yeah pH5 so what? =/ |
| 18:49.54 | abraxa_ | Hicks: Just to make sure - you did start gllin and did a cat /tmp/nmeaNP to see if it works? |
| 18:50.14 | Hicks | i'm asking it about gllin, so maybe someone will tell me "dont read /tmp/nmeaNP but /dev/stuff instead ;)" |
| 18:50.16 | Hicks | yes |
| 18:50.18 | Hicks | it works |
| 18:50.21 | Hicks | no problem with that. |
| 18:50.22 | abraxa_ | okay |
| 18:50.27 | Hicks | same thing, the "cat" never ends |
| 18:50.40 | abraxa_ | But you do see NMEA incoming? |
| 18:50.41 | Hicks | what would you do in C? |
| 18:50.43 | SpeedEvil | Hicks: http://www.mauve.plus.com/dogll |
| 18:50.45 | Hicks | yes |
| 18:50.46 | Hicks | i do |
| 18:50.51 | SpeedEvil | a trivial gps grabby script |
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| 18:51.14 | Hicks | og thanks |
| 18:51.17 | Hicks | oh* |
| 18:51.28 | Hicks | let me have a look at it, brb :) |
| 18:52.37 | pH5 | Hicks: http://lists.trolltech.com/qt-interest/2004-08/thread00880-0.html |
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| 18:53.16 | Hicks | Doesn't apply to me, IO_Async doesnt have anything similar in QT4 :( but thanks |
| 18:53.44 | pH5 | really? qt4 should have some mechanism to do non-blocking reads |
| 18:53.56 | Hicks | it does |
| 18:54.15 | Hicks | the problem is the FIFO, i believe i have to write a QIODevice specialy for it |
| 18:54.22 | Hicks | but i'm stuck for now :) |
| 18:54.23 | Hicks | Well |
| 18:54.32 | abraxa_ | Hicks: http://linux.die.net/man/7/pipe might help |
| 18:54.35 | Hicks | i'll use the script SpeedEvil gave me for now, thanks a lot guys |
| 18:55.27 | Hicks | yes i have looked at the man for pipe already, the problem seems to be that QT doesnt offer the option to get it asynchroneously oppened :/ |
| 18:55.46 | Hicks | thanks guys, i'll try with the grabber for now, or will write one ;) |
| 18:57.10 | abraxa_ | I don't know QT but if you can get at the file handle then just to the fcntl() call and see how QT handles it ;) |
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| 18:58.24 | Hicks | hmm yes |
| 18:58.56 | Hicks | so i can see the oppenning mode of the file |
| 18:58.57 | Hicks | good idea |
| 18:59.19 | anrp | strace ftw |
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| 19:01.32 | borg_ | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1879279396155616104 |
| 19:01.35 | borg_ | 14:55 |
| 19:01.46 | borg_ | someone wants to make this for the neo? :) |
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| 19:04.24 | TheAndichrist | clever |
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| 19:14.31 | NineX | /last/ninex |
| 19:15.40 | Hicks | or this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypXAJKF73FA Or maybe not :D |
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| 19:17.30 | apollo13 | hu, since when are so many people in here? |
| 19:19.52 | polz | apollo13: we're just lurkers, waiting... waiting.... |
| 19:20.23 | nox-Hand | apollo13: We are many a lurkers |
| 19:20.25 | anrp | the almighty lurker |
| 19:20.35 | anrp | omnipresent, and yet silent |
| 19:20.40 | nox-Hand | I've been here since... I think ~ February :P |
| 19:20.41 | NineX | ~slap apollo13 |
| 19:20.41 | apt | ACTION slaps apollo13, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 19:20.42 | Hicks | ^^ |
| 19:21.04 | apollo13 | ouch |
| 19:21.11 | apollo13 | ~slap NineX |
| 19:21.12 | apt | ACTION slaps NineX, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 19:21.18 | apollo13 | hmm :( |
| 19:21.25 | apollo13 | same message al the time |
| 19:21.55 | apollo13 | I assume it's better so, otherwise you would slap everyone coming in here, just to see the new messages :) |
| 19:22.08 | NineX | i have lags |
| 19:22.26 | NineX | ~slaps polz |
| 19:22.28 | nox-Hand | ~spam NineX |
| 19:22.28 | apt | ACTION subscribes NineX to every possible mailing list he can find on the 'net AND arranges for NineX to get at least 50 snail mail spams a day |
| 19:22.29 | NineX | polz: layer |
| 19:22.38 | nox-Hand | Abusing bots is a crime. |
| 19:22.44 | anrp | a joe job would be a better idea imo |
| 19:24.28 | anrp | ... and with that, the conversation dies, just as quickly as it started. |
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| 19:25.31 | polz | NineX: a layer of what ? |
| 19:26.17 | otavio | Hello ... I'm having problems to produce an image to use with psplash and found that OpenMoko uses it. Could someone help me? (I used the script to convert the image but the colors aren't right) |
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| 19:31.01 | nox-Hand | apollo13: Yeps |
| 19:31.14 | nox-Hand | anrp: * |
| 19:31.17 | balrog-kun | otavio: i think the script is broken since some time because the colours were wrong for me too |
| 19:31.18 | nox-Hand | apollo13: Sorry, not for you |
| 19:31.31 | nox-Hand | Well, we ARE lurkers, we don't come here for the company (no offense) but for the mobile ;) |
| 19:31.44 | otavio | balrog-kun: found it |
| 19:31.50 | OJW | anyone know a place in UK (other than ebay) with stock of asus eee 701? |
| 19:32.02 | otavio | balrog-kun: here was that i were using it with 32bit fb. Change the fb to 16bit |
| 19:32.07 | otavio | balrog-kun: i think it'll work |
| 19:32.10 | otavio | :-) |
| 19:33.31 | apollo13 | any ideas about this build error: http://dpaste.com/26637/ ? |
| 19:34.05 | balrog-kun | otavio: ah cool |
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| 19:37.08 | balrog-kun | apollo13: look like you're trying to compile u-boot for x86 |
| 19:37.12 | balrog-kun | *looks |
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| 19:38.08 | apollo13 | I am following http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Xoo where it suggests to # sed -i 's/fic-gta01/x86/' build/conf/local.conf |
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| 19:38.38 | apollo13 | k |
| 19:38.52 | balrog-kun | well, you need to exclude u-bot somehow, i don't know how thats done in oe |
| 19:38.57 | balrog-kun | u-boot |
| 19:41.23 | apollo13 | hmm |
| 19:43.34 | apollo13 | http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=912 good, but how can I exclude it; and how to proceed then? |
| 19:44.05 | torpor | apollo13: compile it by hand first, then do make all. |
| 19:44.24 | apollo13 | compile what by hand first? |
| 19:44.34 | apollo13 | so no make devel image? |
| 19:45.28 | balrog-kun | i thikn you use a chroot on x86, not an image (not sure) |
| 19:46.05 | apollo13 | yeah I would do that (at least http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Xoo describes it that way...) |
| 19:47.03 | apollo13 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xoo describes my problem but which setup.env does he mean? |
| 19:47.42 | apollo13 | um it's already there :) |
| 19:48.09 | balrog-kun | does someone know since when is AT@POFF supported, and if i have an earlier gsm firmware is there a way at all to power down the gsm block? |
| 19:50.59 | SpeedEvil | the beginning |
| 19:51.04 | SpeedEvil | well - at least the first retail |
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| 19:53.28 | balrog-kun | on my phone with the 15:11:24 17/04/07 firmware it doesn't know about any AT@ command :/ |
| 19:53.41 | balrog-kun | AT@POFF gives the usual error |
| 19:54.48 | otavio | oops .. wrong channel |
| 19:54.49 | apollo13 | balrog-kun: The discussion page in the wiki helped, thx for your advices :) |
| 19:55.08 | balrog-kun | :) |
| 19:55.35 | balrog-kun | otavio: do youhave flash on your x86 machine? jffs can only be used on flash chips |
| 19:55.52 | balrog-kun | but i suspect that yes, there are supported x86 embedded boards |
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| 20:04.54 | otavio | balrog-kun: yes |
| 20:04.59 | otavio | balrog-kun: i have |
| 20:05.44 | otavio | balrog-kun: do you have any reference for something similar? |
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| 20:06.12 | balrog-kun | otavio: but if you have grub then the bootloader is loaded from HD by the bios? |
| 20:06.27 | otavio | balrog-kun: yes |
| 20:06.51 | otavio | balrog-kun: but GRUB has no support for JFFS2, AFAIK and then u-boot looks a nicer option to me |
| 20:07.13 | balrog-kun | well, grub is capable of loading u-boot from hd into memory and then launching it |
| 20:07.18 | balrog-kun | but not from flash |
| 20:07.29 | balrog-kun | and i guess the BIOS doesn't know abou t the flash either |
| 20:08.14 | otavio | balrog-kun: you mean chainload it? |
| 20:08.48 | balrog-kun | well, read it from disk into memory and launch it as if it was an OS kernel |
| 20:09.03 | otavio | ah ok |
| 20:09.07 | otavio | balrog-kun: got it |
| 20:09.20 | balrog-kun | then u-boot can load what it wants fromt he flash if it has drivers for it |
| 20:09.26 | otavio | balrog-kun: but couldn't it be used instead the bootloader? |
| 20:09.27 | balrog-kun | how's your flash connected to the pc? |
| 20:09.47 | otavio | balrog-kun: it's a disk on chip |
| 20:09.57 | otavio | balrog-kun: using ide, at least it looks to |
| 20:10.09 | balrog-kun | otavio: you would have to hack the bios to avoid going through HD |
| 20:10.38 | balrog-kun | hmm, i don't think u-boot supports this kind of flash |
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| 20:10.56 | balrog-kun | or that jfs supports this kind of storage |
| 20:11.00 | balrog-kun | *jffs |
| 20:11.46 | otavio | balrog-kun: well .. let me find this info out and then I contact you back .. ok? |
| 20:12.05 | otavio | balrog-kun: it would be really nice if you could help me since I'm still a novice on it all |
| 20:12.38 | balrog-kun | otavio: it's unlikely that i will be able to help with this |
| 20:12.51 | balrog-kun | otavio: u-boot must have some README or something with the list of machines supported |
| 20:13.03 | balrog-kun | and flash devices |
| 20:14.22 | otavio | hum will check |
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| 20:15.08 | mickeyl | balrog-kun: according to my information, AT@POFF has been in the firmware since moko1 |
| 20:15.26 | mickeyl | which is all devices made in suzhou |
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| 20:16.06 | renatofilho_ | hi guys where I can post a patch to moko finger scroll? |
| 20:16.18 | renatofilho_ | or libmokoui? |
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| 20:16.23 | balrog-kun | mickeyl: strange, maybe i turned something off using some other weird command, will try it again sometime |
| 20:16.26 | mickeyl | renatofilho_: please attach them to bugzilla.openmoko.org |
| 20:16.37 | mickeyl | renatofilho_: use openmoko-libs as category. thanks |
| 20:16.44 | renatofilho_ | mickeyl, thanks |
| 20:16.49 | mickeyl | np |
| 20:16.50 | emre_ | hi folks, I've a problem with projects svn.. |
| 20:17.35 | emre_ | when i checkout svn checkout svn+ssh://emre@svn.projects.openmoko.org/svnroot/automoko it says permission denied (publickey). |
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| 20:19.21 | NineX | anyone have idea why why apm always reports battery procentage valuses 95% never more |
| 20:19.38 | SpeedEvil | NineX: find /proc -name "batvolt" |
| 20:19.41 | SpeedEvil | or is it battvolt |
| 20:19.42 | SpeedEvil | cat it |
| 20:19.44 | SpeedEvil | what is it |
| 20:19.58 | NineX | root@fic-gta01:~$ find /proc -name "batvolt" |
| 20:20.00 | NineX | root@fic-gta01:~$ |
| 20:20.10 | NineX | no proc |
| 20:20.14 | NineX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:20.28 | SpeedEvil | yeah - /sys |
| 20:20.32 | SpeedEvil | and battvolt |
| 20:20.38 | NineX | Too many open files |
| 20:20.40 | NineX | lol |
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| 20:22.28 | NineX | root@fic-gta01:~$ cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/battvolt |
| 20:22.32 | NineX | 4195 |
| 20:22.42 | SpeedEvil | that must be a minor bug |
| 20:22.50 | SpeedEvil | 4200 is basically charged |
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| 20:23.04 | NineX | root@fic-gta01:~$ cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/battvolt |
| 20:23.07 | NineX | 4212 |
| 20:23.10 | NineX | root@fic-gta01:~$ cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/battvolt |
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| 20:23.13 | NineX | 4218 |
| 20:23.22 | SpeedEvil | it's slightly linear - 4000=80%, 3600=10% |
| 20:23.38 | SpeedEvil | outside that it rises to 4200 and drops to 2800 rapidly |
| 20:24.32 | NineX | root@fic-gta01:~$ cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgcur |
| 20:24.35 | NineX | 560 |
| 20:24.53 | apollo13 | what can I do with this one: http://dpaste.com/26650/ ? |
| 20:24.59 | NineX | 560 mA ? |
| 20:25.30 | SpeedEvil | NineX: no - it's an arbitrary unit |
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| 20:33.53 | emre_ | when i checkout svn checkout svn+ssh://emre@svn.projects.openmoko.org/svnroot/automoko it says permission denied (publickey). anyone has any idea why? |
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| 20:38.56 | apollo13 | I was able to build it now, but xoo stops at http://dpaste.com/26652/ |
| 20:39.11 | apollo13 | am the window manager not xoo, obviously |
| 20:39.50 | mickey|bbiab | looks good |
| 20:39.58 | mickey|bbiab | matchbox runs now |
| 20:40.05 | mickey|bbiab | you should start some X clients |
| 20:40.23 | apollo13 | I have xephyr listening on :1 |
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| 20:41.51 | apollo13 | or what do you mean? |
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| 20:55.28 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: Did you by chance get to have a go at retrieving the battery level patch? |
| 20:57.18 | apollo13 | hmm matchbox is getting events randomly but I can't see a gui |
| 20:59.17 | apollo13 | x-window-managers tells me that dbus isn't runnung |
| 20:59.20 | apollo13 | running* |
| 21:00.27 | SpeedEvil | abraxa_: I'm having problems unrelated to that which meant that I need to reinstall the whole system, and upgrade stuff before I can put the disk back. |
| 21:00.56 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: Ahh okay, that's cool - just thought I'd check up on it :) |
| 21:01.03 | SpeedEvil | I stupidly bzip2'd a disk image |
| 21:01.10 | SpeedEvil | and now I don't have room to extract it |
| 21:01.48 | abraxa_ | Ouch =x |
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| 21:52.04 | zdanek | hello all |
| 21:52.19 | zdanek | OJW: are you awake? |
| 21:52.50 | dread | hi |
| 21:52.57 | OJW | hi |
| 21:53.02 | zdanek | hello |
| 21:53.16 | zdanek | I'm debuging your pyroute |
| 21:53.29 | zdanek | but I'm green at python |
| 21:53.37 | zdanek | and gtk |
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| 21:53.47 | zdanek | but I have some questions |
| 21:54.14 | zdanek | I ran pyroute on PC box |
| 21:54.18 | zdanek | on ubuntu |
| 21:54.27 | zdanek | and it's almost killing my machine |
| 21:54.55 | zdanek | it calls over and over do_expose_event |
| 21:55.00 | zdanek | is it normal? |
| 21:55.31 | zdanek | I understand that it process some kind of gtk event and draws map(?) |
| 21:55.59 | zdanek | but no external events income (click, gps pos change) so why should it react so often and rapidly |
| 21:56.25 | OJW | I don't think it should continually redraw (unless you have a GPS attached and the position is changing) |
| 21:56.38 | Ebbe | Small question about pyroute (or any extensive gui), how much better will it run on the GTA02? |
| 21:56.51 | zdanek | I don't have gps |
| 21:56.57 | zdanek | I have pos.txt |
| 21:57.07 | zdanek | constant in contents |
| 21:58.20 | OJW | ah, that might be it. it keeps reading that file and then calling handleUpdatedPosition()? |
| 21:58.29 | OJW | without noticing that you haven't moved |
| 21:58.30 | zdanek | I suppose do_expose_event is called by gtk, I'm right? |
| 21:58.44 | zdanek | I will delete pos.txt |
| 21:58.45 | zdanek | and see |
| 21:59.30 | zdanek | bingo! |
| 22:00.05 | zdanek | now it consumes about 1% without clicking |
| 22:00.08 | OJW | ok, so it needs to detect if position has changed before asking for a redraw |
| 22:00.12 | zdanek | :D |
| 22:00.23 | OJW | (and also if position is on screen, I guess) |
| 22:00.23 | zdanek | may I fix that? |
| 22:00.36 | OJW | that would be nice if you could |
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| 22:03.02 | zdanek | I can't do it easy because I don't know python but I'm trying to learn so fixing it would be very good practice for me |
| 22:03.54 | zdanek | and what about that position is on the screen -what do you mean by that? what should I check |
| 22:04.17 | OJW | nevermind about position on screen yet |
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| 22:04.43 | OJW | in gui.py, there is an updatePosition() function |
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| 22:05.03 | OJW | which calls handleUpdatedPosition() |
| 22:05.27 | OJW | it should only call handleUpdatedPosition if newpos is not the same location as self.get("ownpos") |
| 22:07.54 | zdanek | got it, in fact so very simple |
| 22:08.02 | zdanek | yet killing machine but |
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| 22:11.44 | OJW | if anyone knows xlib surfaces and colour depths in cairo, there must be some simple thing that would make it draw images faster... |
| 22:12.28 | cworth | OJW: Are you copying from an image surface to an xlib surface? |
| 22:14.01 | zdanek | how to check if self.get('ownpos') is initialized? |
| 22:14.14 | zdanek | because it's first type of None |
| 22:14.20 | zdanek | how to check that in py? |
| 22:14.50 | OJW | zdanek: just look for it's ['valid'] attribute, which is guaranteed to exist because I create it during initialisation |
| 22:15.21 | OJW | blibble = self.get('ownpos') ... if(blibble['valid']): |
| 22:16.19 | OJW | cworth: yes, probably something very like that. drawing image surface onto a "self.window.cairo_create()" whatever that is |
| 22:16.28 | zdanek | during debug get(ownpos) showed me NoneType: None |
| 22:16.58 | cworth | OJW: self.window.cairo_create will be giving you an "xlib surface", (if GTK+ is targeting an X server anyway) |
| 22:17.29 | OJW | I take it that drawing image onto xlib is a bad thing? |
| 22:17.33 | cworth | OJW: So going from image->xlib is "slow", and you'll probably do better by doing that once instead of over and over. |
| 22:17.54 | OJW | so I need to create an xlib surface and copy each image into that |
| 22:18.01 | OJW | one per image, i mean |
| 22:18.03 | cworth | One thing to consider is to use cairo_surface_create_similar instead of cairo_image_surface_create for creating intermediate surfaces. |
| 22:18.13 | cworth | OJW: Yes. |
| 22:18.47 | cworth | OJW: And there is some talk about making image->xlib faster, (using XShm for example), but that will be new cairo API that doesn't exist yet. |
| 22:19.19 | OJW | ok. I guess I must know how to do the image->xlib copy, because the draw function already does that |
| 22:20.07 | OJW | zdanek: where are you checking from? At the beginning, there's "self.set('ownpos', {'valid':False})", so self.get('ownpos') after that should always return something I think |
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| 22:21.07 | zdanek | OJW: always from updatePosition |
| 22:21.17 | zdanek | after newpos |
| 22:21.24 | zdanek | but it doesn't matter |
| 22:21.26 | zdanek | inside updatePosition |
| 22:21.34 | zdanek | for the first run |
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| 22:23.02 | Valdo | hi ^^ |
| 22:23.24 | OJW | zdanek: I see what you mean... interesting |
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| 22:24.35 | Bob_le_Pointu | \o/ |
| 22:25.16 | OJW | try moving "self.updatePosition()" one line down ;) in the __init__ function |
| 22:25.18 | cworth | OJW: right |
| 22:25.34 | zdanek | so besides that bug, how to check if variable is initialized? |
| 22:25.45 | OJW | well you can compare it with None |
| 22:25.56 | zdanek | (I'm trying to learn python here! xD) |
| 22:26.32 | OJW | or you can "try:" then have some indented code, and then "except IndexError" or "except KeyError" to look for uninitialised arrays |
| 22:26.51 | Valdo | hi Bob_le_Pointu |
| 22:26.57 | Valdo | ;) |
| 22:27.09 | Valdo | I have a question for some people here |
| 22:27.33 | Valdo | is it possible to hach the razr2 v8 to make it run on the openmoko platform |
| 22:27.34 | Valdo | ? |
| 22:27.57 | Bob_le_Pointu | Hach ? |
| 22:28.00 | OJW | zdanek: http://www.diveintopython.org/file_handling/index.html#fileinfo.exception |
| 22:28.08 | Valdo | hack |
| 22:28.16 | Valdo | sorry |
| 22:28.38 | zdanek | I'm java pro and there it's not wise to check against some conditions by catching proper exceptions, because it's damn slow but maybe it's different in py |
| 22:30.13 | roh | Valdo eventually |
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| 22:30.49 | zdanek | OJW: haha! I did it! my first lines of |
| 22:30.52 | roh | Valdo basically openmoko can run on any hardware, its just a question if and how to get the documentation or reverse engineer it to write drivers. |
| 22:30.54 | zdanek | python bugfix |
| 22:30.55 | zdanek | :D |
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| 22:31.06 | zdanek | whooah |
| 22:31.07 | OJW | does openmoko run on N810? |
| 22:31.17 | SpeedEvil | As long as it's >64M ROM/RAM or so and a 32 bit MMU'd CPU |
| 22:31.50 | zdanek | I must say that is speed up about 10x! |
| 22:31.55 | zdanek | now it runs smoothly |
| 22:31.59 | edistar | OJW: it could, if you port it |
| 22:32.03 | roh | OJW no clue if abybody tried, but with some work thats possible |
| 22:32.09 | zdanek | I'll check that on Neo |
| 22:32.40 | OJW | zdanek: what hardware? is this on a PC? |
| 22:33.09 | zdanek | my PC? |
| 22:33.20 | zdanek | pent M III 1Ghz |
| 22:33.27 | zdanek | not very fast |
| 22:33.35 | zdanek | I feel real difference |
| 22:33.39 | zdanek | that was very nasty but |
| 22:33.41 | OJW | ok. about 1.5x the speed of my PC then |
| 22:33.41 | zdanek | bug |
| 22:34.20 | zdanek | but it really runs smoothly now |
| 22:34.27 | balrog-kun | it would probably run on N800 if you installed it |
| 22:34.52 | balrog-kun | may be not very straight forward but no code changes i think |
| 22:34.56 | OJW | are you using the weird new version where you have to go into the menu to zoom in/out? |
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| 22:36.29 | zdanek | http://www.openmoko.org.pl/files/pyroute/gui.py |
| 22:36.51 | zdanek | I have 3 buttons |
| 22:37.05 | zdanek | and I use 2 of them to zoom |
| 22:37.21 | zdanek | but sometimes menu pops up when not pushing on buttons area |
| 22:37.32 | zdanek | it hanged for a bit of time |
| 22:37.44 | zdanek | s/hanged/hung |
| 22:37.49 | OJW | there's a menu which comes up when you click on the map |
| 22:37.53 | zdanek | (I can't use the thing) |
| 22:37.56 | OJW | if it hangs, it's normally downloading tiles |
| 22:38.11 | OJW | map images I mean. the console normally says "downloading..." |
| 22:38.17 | zdanek | nope, the problem was with that bug I fix because I doesn't anymore |
| 22:38.22 | zdanek | yes |
| 22:38.23 | OJW | oh okay |
| 22:38.30 | zdanek | check my file |
| 22:38.32 | zdanek | merge it |
| 22:38.50 | zdanek | OJW: tell me where are cached files stored? |
| 22:40.21 | OJW | cache/ directory |
| 22:40.30 | OJW | thanks, I've got your file and have merged it |
| 22:40.48 | torpor | woot! |
| 22:40.48 | OJW | it doesn't limit cache size yet :( nor the amount of tiles in memory |
| 22:40.53 | torpor | my build finally completed. |
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| 22:42.37 | zdanek | I'm using 2GB card |
| 22:42.39 | zdanek | :D |
| 22:44.37 | OJW | zdanek: enough for 12000 map images of complicated places |
| 22:46.02 | zdanek | OJW: there's another but I recently (yesterday?) wrote to you about |
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| 22:46.21 | zdanek | after zooming in with downloading images whole map is blank |
| 22:46.33 | zdanek | but dotted button-lines are seen |
| 22:46.41 | zdanek | until one click on map |
| 22:46.46 | zdanek | then it refreshes |
| 22:46.55 | zdanek | same on PC and neo |
| 22:47.03 | OJW | zdanek: yes, I haven't got around to looking at that yet. It's after downloading new tiles I think |
| 22:48.37 | zdanek | I uncommeted "map took x ms" and this text is displayed but map isn't |
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| 22:49.11 | kghia | hello! I noticed that the the first Qtopia-on-Neo screenshot (community portal of wiki) shows several messages from Virgin Mobile. I thought VM was not a GSM network?? Anybody know what's up? |
| 22:49.59 | zdanek | kghia: maybe it's from different country you live in |
| 22:50.21 | zdanek | it still can be virtual provider |
| 22:50.31 | OJW | zdanek: can you get the latest tiles.py and try again |
| 22:50.52 | OJW | (zdanek: your gui.py is uploaded to SVN now too) |
| 22:51.06 | kghia | zdanek, good point! I gotta stop that US-centric thinking |
| 22:51.39 | ljp | virgin mobile is gsm here in australia |
| 22:51.40 | zdanek | OJW: ok, I'll check that |
| 22:52.50 | roh | kghia ;) do not wonder.. its aly difficult for a european to understand why anybody would ever buy cdma.. just a question of perspctive and indivitual felt reality |
| 22:53.08 | kghia | ljp, thanks-- I don't know why they used a different network here. US is stuck with only AT&T/Cingular and T-Mobile. |
| 22:54.24 | ljp | virgin doesnt have their own network, they buy it off others. here they use the optus network |
| 22:55.18 | zdanek | jlp: as I said, they are virtual operator |
| 22:55.29 | zdanek | It's very common |
| 22:55.45 | roh | yep. even a coffedealer here in germany sells phones and sims |
| 22:56.15 | roh | got some prepaid testsims there. 10E a piece, and 2 years flat voicecalls within the same network |
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| 22:56.50 | torpor | cworth: you there? |
| 22:57.59 | zdanek | roh:tchibo |
| 22:59.19 | kghia | here GSM is more rare-- my brother had to unlock his SIM to go from Cingular to AT&T when they merged (i.e. same company) |
| 22:59.46 | roh | zdanek jap ;) |
| 23:00.01 | roh | zdanek perfect moko test-sims.. atleast for now. |
| 23:00.20 | zdanek | :D |
| 23:00.28 | kghia | and new VWs such as the Eos have a "phone" button that does nothing in the US...because VW was really using the SIM from the clients phone with an embedded phone in the VW |
| 23:00.42 | borg_ | roh: you should consider simyo for the neo |
| 23:00.47 | zdanek | OJW: found hang point |
| 23:00.52 | roh | btw.. there will be quite some gsm and moko hackers on 24c3 ;) just that you all know |
| 23:00.54 | borg_ | they have incredible low price for gprs |
| 23:01.00 | roh | borg_ whatfor? |
| 23:01.06 | zdanek | MapWidget. __init_ |
| 23:01.17 | zdanek | loading osm.data |
| 23:01.17 | borg_ | to surf with the neo.. ;) |
| 23:01.22 | roh | borg_ i do not use !flat services where possible ;) |
| 23:01.46 | ewon | I'm in LA with AT&T, they use GSM |
| 23:02.01 | zdanek | OJW: it hangs during routin.osm load |
| 23:02.06 | roh | borg_ i have a base-umts/gprs flat in use and routhe ip to the neo via usb or bt |
| 23:02.07 | ewon | pulled my payasyougo sim from the $20 shitty phone and put it in my 6310i |
| 23:02.19 | borg_ | roh: ah, ok ;) |
| 23:02.22 | OJW | what's happening? do you have a data/routing.osm file? |
| 23:02.27 | zdanek | OJW: which is 2,9M |
| 23:02.40 | cworth | torpor: I guess you found me in #cairo? :-) |
| 23:02.42 | zdanek | downloaded lately for my city (Warsaw PL) |
| 23:02.47 | OJW | ah okay. yeah it's not so speedy at reading those files |
| 23:02.51 | torpor | cworth: it'd be nicer to stay here! :) |
| 23:02.57 | torpor | do youknow the name of the app i'm talking about? |
| 23:03.04 | zdanek | could it be in separate thread? |
| 23:03.13 | zdanek | just for freeing GUI |
| 23:03.18 | torpor | cworth: libcairowrap could be it. |
| 23:03.28 | cworth | torpor: Sure, I'm always here too. :-) |
| 23:03.33 | torpor | ok |
| 23:03.39 | torpor | i think thats it, thanks. i'll look at it now. |
| 23:03.53 | kghia | ewon: I will probably go AT&T, although I had a job setback and have to wait now :-( just get to play with openmoko on my PC for now |
| 23:04.33 | torpor | hmm.. maybe this isn't what i was thinking of, but something else |
| 23:04.40 | kghia | if I could do it on Virgin Mobile, I have an "emergency use" phone from them, but alas not GSM here |
| 23:04.52 | zdanek | OJW: new menu is awesome but I'm not conviced that removing zoom buttons is best solution |
| 23:05.00 | zdanek | as they are mostly used |
| 23:05.09 | zdanek | and should be by-the-hand |
| 23:05.10 | OJW | zdanek: me neither. still trying to find the best meny layout |
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| 23:05.33 | zdanek | I would convince you to add 2 cool buttons |
| 23:05.38 | zdanek | for zooming |
| 23:05.47 | zdanek | they could be smaller than menu |
| 23:05.52 | OJW | like the menu button? |
| 23:06.09 | zdanek | just figer-tip size |
| 23:06.28 | zdanek | for touch screens ofcource (neo especially) |
| 23:06.36 | torpor | cworth: no that isn't it.. it was something else, a bit more toollike.. it ate an SVG and spat out cairo C code .. |
| 23:06.38 | zdanek | s\s\s |
| 23:06.47 | zdanek | chow to change my last mistake? |
| 23:06.51 | zdanek | hwo |
| 23:06.52 | zdanek | how |
| 23:06.56 | zdanek | (damn :) ) |
| 23:07.15 | cjb_ie | s/foo/bar/ |
| 23:07.19 | kghia | too late, it's in the archive now! ;-) |
| 23:07.39 | zdanek | I'm sure I will forget that but I'll try not to :) |
| 23:08.07 | zdanek | okay, I will put new pyroute on my neo |
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| 23:10.34 | cworth | torpor: I'm not sure I've ever seen a utility like that. |
| 23:10.40 | torpor | hmm. |
| 23:10.43 | torpor | damn |
| 23:10.51 | torpor | because it sure would be useful. but oh well. |
| 23:10.56 | cworth | torpor: (For simple cases, I often use emacs search-and-replace though...) |
| 23:11.08 | torpor | i guess i'll try to use libcairowrap |
| 23:11.17 | cworth | torpor: Yes, it would be. One idea we've toyed with is a backend for cairo that emits C code. ;-) |
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| 23:11.33 | cworth | But what we have so far instead is libcairowrap. |
| 23:11.36 | torpor | well basically what i'm tryig to do is use SVG to design my cairo drawing routines. |
| 23:12.45 | torpor | i could use librsvg but that doesn't really give me good control over the objects. |
| 23:13.05 | zdanek | OJW: do you know about missing colorsys.py file? |
| 23:13.12 | zdanek | It's somewhere in libraries |
| 23:13.19 | OJW | I thought coloursys was standard library |
| 23:13.22 | zdanek | but it's not seen on many "neos" |
| 23:13.38 | zdanek | and it had to be copied |
| 23:13.46 | zdanek | I don't knoe |
| 23:13.51 | zdanek | s/knoe/know/ |
| 23:13.57 | zdanek | :D |
| 23:14.11 | zdanek | I found it on the net and copied in |
| 23:14.14 | OJW | oh. well if necessary, maybe we can copy a version into pyroute's SVN. not very neat though |
| 23:14.58 | zdanek | maybe it should be shipped with pyroute |
| 23:16.12 | CIA-14 | 03andrew * r3554 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/hw/ (7 files): Genericise SD bus to allow cards other than SD flash storage. |
| 23:17.22 | OJW | am I allowed to distribute colorsys? what's the license? |
| 23:17.29 | josch | roh, who from openmoko (or this nice channel) will be at 24c3? |
| 23:18.30 | zdanek | OJW: I don't event know where it comes from |
| 23:18.43 | OJW | http://docs.python.org/lib/module-colorsys.html |
| 23:18.45 | zdanek | if it's gnu I supper youre are |
| 23:18.54 | zdanek | s/supper/suppose/ |
| 23:18.58 | zdanek | :D |
| 23:19.01 | zdanek | again... |
| 23:19.04 | zdanek | good tool |
| 23:19.09 | josch | bad tool |
| 23:19.27 | josch | I start du add spaces to my regexes so that apt doesnt repeat them |
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| 23:20.00 | zdanek | OJW: are any POIs working? |
| 23:20.08 | zdanek | I cant enable any |
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| 23:22.06 | OJW | wiki (geonames) isn't working, and will be replaced by OSM data. geoRSS should work, if you add feeds to data/feeds.txt. waypoints are working. and the stuff in "business" menu (local pubs) isn't working, but I'm looking at those now |
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| 23:23.58 | zdanek | and what are these geoRSS feeds? |
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| 23:26.59 | roh | josch that is a good question. i will be in any case. gismo our admin will also be there i assume and some other people from #neo1973-germany |
| 23:28.07 | OJW | zdanek: try looking on http://mapufacture.com/ for some geoRSS feeds to try |
| 23:30.53 | zdanek | thx |
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| 23:31.48 | OJW | n/p. anyway, off now before it becomes midnight again |
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| 23:32.31 | cworth | torpor: librsvg+libcairowrap should definitely give you a starting point for embedding C code into your program |
| 23:32.52 | cworth | You can use libcairowrap with my little svg2png for example. |
| 23:33.28 | zdanek | about that midnigth, OJW is from UK |
| 23:33.36 | zdanek | I'm from Poland and I'm past mid... |
| 23:33.38 | zdanek | :) |
| 23:33.38 | roh | nice.. 2007.11 brings up one pin helper for me and works |
| 23:38.23 | torpor | cworth: thanks for the tips .. i think i'm going to approach this problem a different way! |
| 23:39.01 | kghia | time to hack some dinner! |
| 23:39.10 | zdanek | okay, time for bed |
| 23:39.24 | zdanek | goodnight all |
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