| 00:04.20 | jeffdameth | peepsalot: did you saw the nice stuff that they were doing on the maemo with efl? |
| 00:04.38 | peepsalot | jeffdameth, i don't think so, which nice stuff? |
| 00:05.46 | peepsalot | hmm, EDC files look very similar to JSON, but not quite. JSON syntax would be sweet |
| 00:05.56 | jeffdameth | one mom i'll have look for the link |
| 00:06.04 | jeffdameth | what's JSON? |
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| 00:06.47 | peepsalot | jeffdameth, javacsript object notation, a way of representing data http://json.org/ |
| 00:08.43 | jeffdameth | oh me dont like javascript so much. you saw that you have embryo scripting in edje? |
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| 00:09.27 | peepsalot | it's language independent. just happens that it is based on the way that javascript represents literal objects, which is quite elegant IMO |
| 00:10.18 | jeffdame1h | http://codeposts.blogspot.com/ < the two recent videos show some stuff made with evas/edje/etk |
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| 00:18.26 | jeffdame1h | peepsalot: i see. yea edje looks a bit complicated on the first look. though there is an gui-editor in the making which makes layout development more easy for designers |
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| 00:36.21 | mmontour | Does anyone else get a do_compile failure for openmoko-panel-gsm_svn.bb? |
| 00:36.27 | mmontour | No rule to make target `moko-pin.lo', needed by `libopenmoko-panel-gsm.la' |
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| 00:47.37 | dbmoodb | just a question |
| 00:47.48 | dbmoodb | when is the phone due out |
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| 00:48.04 | dbmoodb | i know the topic says don't ask |
| 00:50.41 | thomasg | if you know - why you ask? :) |
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| 00:51.33 | dbmoodb | well i am reading the community update page and was hoping someone could point me to the mailing list maybe |
| 00:51.41 | Demonax | Probably a stupid question, but is everything still on track for a mid/late December release of the Neo1973? |
| 00:51.45 | dbmoodb | nevermind found it |
| 00:51.59 | dbmoodb | - according to the community page - shipping would be jan / feb ? |
| 00:52.28 | Demonax | Ah, well late birthday present then, thanks. |
| 00:52.33 | dbmoodb | lol |
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| 00:53.11 | dbmoodb | just hope the gphone doesn't come out by then |
| 00:53.28 | dbmoodb | because i have seen this lil phone and really like it |
| 00:53.33 | Demonax | Not interested in that, but yeah, as far as the Noe doing well, hopefully it'll be out before. |
| 00:53.34 | cjb_ie | gphone's out middle of 08 innit? |
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| 00:53.55 | dbmoodb | well tis it not just the software stuff ? |
| 00:55.07 | dbmoodb | i was impressed that nuance joined the open handset alliance |
| 00:55.22 | dbmoodb | --> linux speech recognition ? |
| 00:57.30 | peepsalot | there is no gphone |
| 00:57.31 | dbmoodb | oh btw - will openmoko when released for the mass market have an option to show the kernel booting ? |
| 00:57.36 | peepsalot | only android |
| 00:58.06 | dbmoodb | --> peep i said software |
| 00:58.40 | dbmoodb | with the intent to have it expressed as when will the first google phone using android software come out |
| 00:58.48 | dbmoodb | - but not a google phone |
| 00:58.57 | dbmoodb | as in anyphone using android |
| 00:59.08 | dbmoodb | --> wiki says 2008 |
| 01:00.48 | dbmoodb | btw - will it be possible to use the phone's gps to get nmea data to a computer over bluetooth ? |
| 01:00.55 | dbmoodb | like for kismet logging ? |
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| 01:03.09 | cjb_ie | well in general, computers expect to see GPSes as just bluetooth serial devices |
| 01:03.17 | cjb_ie | which happen to spit NMEA at them |
| 01:04.00 | cjb_ie | if that bluetooth serial device is really a phone that happens to have a gps closely attached to it... i don't see a problem |
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| 01:07.56 | ewon | dbmoodb: it's been done, check the wiki |
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| 01:12.49 | peepsalot | when sliding your finger around a touchscreen, is it interpreted as a click and drag? |
| 01:15.14 | Demonax | Normally, it's a select. So if you were dragging a window around normally you'd touch and drag. At least that has been my experience. |
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| 01:22.38 | peepsalot | is it a good idea to develop an app purely on my desktop machine, with plans to "port" to openmoko / neo later? or should I try to have it run under openmoko the whole time. I have no experience with this sort of thing |
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| 01:31.26 | abraxa_ | peepsalot: Developing on the desktop is fine |
| 01:31.55 | abraxa_ | Just try it on the neo every now and then to check if your results stay consistent |
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| 01:41.07 | josch | peepsalot, it depends on the kind of your app |
| 01:41.35 | josch | abraxa_, wer zuerst schlafen geht hat verloren :-P |
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| 03:15.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1042 has been created by tick(AT)openmoko.com |
| 03:15.02 | cdbot2 | * * Phonebook use cases |
| 03:15.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1042 |
| 03:17.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1043 has been created by tick(AT)openmoko.com |
| 03:17.02 | cdbot2 | * * Call use cases |
| 03:17.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1043 |
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| 03:33.08 | Demonax | Geez, this looks so clean it looks like it's rendered. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/USA_10096-7-8_HDR_Antelope_Canyon_Luca_Galuzzi_2007.jpg |
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| 03:36.13 | balrog-kun | it's even got this unnatural shadows near the ground like in shitty 3d games :) |
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| 03:37.08 | balrog-kun | oh, it's HDR, that's why it's unnatural - cause it's partially a render |
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| 03:38.04 | balrog-kun | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_dynamic_range_imaging |
| 03:38.34 | pjz | anyone got any update on GTA02 status? |
| 03:38.46 | Demonax | balrog-kun: ah thanks. |
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| 03:39.25 | pjz | last I heard was 'waiting on wifi hardware to be verified good' |
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| 03:41.20 | Demonax | pjz: what I was just told was that release is scheduled around January February now. |
| 03:42.20 | pjz | Demonax: told by who? |
| 03:43.59 | Demonax | pjz: dbmoodb told me. |
| 03:44.10 | Demonax | Yeah, I was hoping for one in Christmas too. |
| 03:44.54 | pjz | I guess the good news is all the interst I'm making on the money I've had saved for the phone for almost a year :) |
| 03:44.55 | Demonax | Woah awesome, the USD _really_ sucks, dev kit should be much cheaper for me. :-p |
| 03:46.05 | cjb_ie | it's not originating in US though... |
| 03:46.34 | Demonax | I know, but isn't the purchase price on the website going to be in USD? |
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| 03:47.34 | cjb_ie | maybe, but the landed price in the US is going to be lots more USD than before |
| 03:48.16 | cjb_ie | so the thing to hope for is for the USB to go further in the toilet between them being imported into the US, and being exported again |
| 03:48.25 | cjb_ie | s/USB/USD/ |
| 03:57.30 | xzcvczx | nnpiggy: you aruond? |
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| 05:15.39 | roh | somebody awake? |
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| 05:18.46 | moko-bunny | barely. testers? |
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| 05:25.55 | roh | people with a gta01bv04 ready to test something for me before release |
| 05:27.09 | mmontour | roh: I have a gta01bv4 |
| 05:30.06 | roh | mompls |
| 05:31.43 | moko-bunny | I have one too....just booted up the linux box and was going to do a build to see how things are, but I'd be happy to test out whatever :) |
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| 06:55.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1044 has been created by robophred(AT)gmail.com |
| 06:55.02 | cdbot2 | * * calc_next_timeout 't' assert failure. |
| 06:55.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1044 |
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| 07:55.08 | flexd_ | g'morning \o |
| 07:55.26 | kimnotyze | morning |
| 07:57.13 | borg_ | morning :) |
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| 08:02.23 | hrw | morning |
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| 08:07.16 | buz | i dont even have neo |
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| 08:14.30 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:16.00 | flexd_ | morning |
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| 08:21.28 | xzcvczx | buz: gps driver testing offer??? |
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| 08:24.06 | buz | well mail was privately adressed |
| 08:24.29 | buz | seems they at least have the legal stuff worked out now |
| 08:24.55 | borg_ | 06:25 < roh> people with a gta01bv04 ready to test something for me before release |
| 08:25.07 | borg_ | xzcvczx: ask roh about it |
| 08:25.40 | buz | maybe i should mail back "sure, if you send me the hardware :" |
| 08:26.00 | borg_ | :D |
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| 08:37.02 | xzcvczx | roh: yup i can test hopefully |
| 08:38.03 | torpor | woot! lovin' the gllin beta .. |
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| 08:43.21 | blindcoder | moin |
| 08:43.40 | _diego__ | gllin beta? Interesting, at least i can stop using a BT gps antenna :) |
| 08:49.04 | dread | roh: I've an GTA01bv04, too, and i'm willing to test :) |
| 08:50.31 | torpor | roh: the download link doesn't work. because of the EULA wrapper, if you try to save the .ipk, you just get the eula text and nothing else in the .ipk file .. |
| 08:51.30 | josch | wohooo! gllin test! where?? |
| 08:52.37 | flexd_ | roh |
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| 09:00.07 | CM | faern: Dreamhack? :) |
| 09:00.55 | faern | CM, YES |
| 09:00.56 | faern | :D |
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| 09:01.22 | faern | CM, då oxå? |
| 09:02.01 | CM | Nope, jag jobbar.. |
| 09:02.46 | faern | :/ |
| 09:03.03 | jeddy3 | mmm, dreamhack ^_^ |
| 09:03.20 | CM | Never been there.. Am I too old? :P |
| 09:04.32 | jeddy3 | ...kupolen :D |
| 09:05.13 | CM | Hehe |
| 09:05.48 | zash | THE DOOM! |
| 09:06.06 | kimnotyze | doom? ip? ^^ |
| 09:06.33 | jeddy3 | :D |
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| 09:11.34 | josch | 8472.... I know this numbers... |
| 09:12.06 | kimnotyze | Borg? |
| 09:12.20 | josch | no NOT borg - the opposite |
| 09:12.22 | flexd_ | TG > Dreamhack! |
| 09:12.31 | flexd_ | grob? |
| 09:12.41 | cjb_ie | kupolen? not in borlänge? |
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| 09:14.45 | kimnotyze | how to explain a girlfriend that a new mobilephone is more important than a dinner with her parents? |
| 09:15.11 | josch | kimnotyze, easy - show her scummvm! |
| 09:15.14 | buz | dont |
| 09:15.30 | josch | or supertux |
| 09:15.39 | kimnotyze | =D but then she will ask: "Is 'Sims' running on this device?" |
| 09:15.39 | josch | or frozen-bubble |
| 09:15.46 | josch | d'oh |
| 09:15.59 | zash | kimnotyze: classic :/ |
| 09:16.11 | josch | wesnoth is running on it!! |
| 09:16.16 | XorA | kimnotyze: getting a new phone is only $200 a year, getting a new girl is a whole lot more expensive |
| 09:16.20 | kimnotyze | josch: but thats _not_ sims xD |
| 09:16.48 | kimnotyze | XorA: ive got the phone.. but i want to met with some friends this night.. to hack on the oM ;) |
| 09:17.17 | josch | take her with you! |
| 09:17.17 | kimnotyze | we have planned this sience a month xD |
| 09:17.30 | kimnotyze | josch: "What is this" "A laptop" "can it play Sims?" xD |
| 09:17.37 | josch | lol |
| 09:18.15 | josch | aren't there any sims clones we could quickly port to arm? |
| 09:18.18 | kimnotyze | worse situation :-/ |
| 09:18.42 | zash | a tamagochi-ish clone for arm could do perhaps? |
| 09:19.09 | kimnotyze | hmm.. think i have to write a sims clone until 8 pm CEST -.- |
| 09:19.35 | zash | kimnotyze: coffee, lots of it! |
| 09:19.47 | josch | kimnotyze, you are german! your girlfriend is german too - german girls love the moko! (at least I figured this out) |
| 09:20.16 | ewon | so that's why I've been single for th elast 2 years |
| 09:20.20 | ewon | I need to get a new phone |
| 09:20.21 | josch | kimnotyze, forget coffee: http://xkcd.com/323/ |
| 09:21.32 | kimnotyze | yeah |
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| 09:29.05 | CM | cjb_ie: How do you know that one? Google? ;) |
| 09:29.32 | cjb_ie | CM: i had a gf there |
| 09:29.48 | CM | cjb_ie: In kupolen? Weird.. :P |
| 09:29.59 | cjb_ie | in borlänge :p |
| 09:30.02 | jeddy3 | cjb_ie, yes borlänge :D |
| 09:30.07 | CVirus | what's a girl friend ? |
| 09:30.16 | CVirus | a laptop that is ? |
| 09:30.28 | CM | CVirus: No, much more expensive |
| 09:30.36 | kimnotyze | hehe =D |
| 09:31.04 | jeddy3 | cjb_ie, i grew up in Borlänge :) |
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| 09:31.47 | cjb_ie | small world |
| 09:32.04 | CM | cjb_ie: Know what's smaller? |
| 09:32.43 | kimnotyze | CM: uClinux? |
| 09:32.46 | kimnotyze | =p |
| 09:32.48 | CM | cjb_ie: Me and jeddy3 met maybe 20 years ago, since our families have a summer houses near eachother ;9 |
| 09:33.07 | borg_ | :) |
| 09:33.22 | jeddy3 | yes, thats really weird |
| 09:34.06 | Mononoke | coffee \o/ |
| 09:34.24 | torpor | anyone doing the migration to monotone.openembedded.org? |
| 09:34.35 | torpor | i get this when i do it: |
| 09:34.36 | torpor | mtn: misuse: database /home/j/hak/openmoko/OE.mtn is laid out according to an old schema |
| 09:39.16 | Mononoke | monotone uses sha1 which is rather old :S |
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| 09:51.05 | Stephmw | mornin |
| 09:51.57 | rwhitby | morning |
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| 09:55.20 | hrw | torpor: and it tells you how to update it |
| 09:57.06 | rwhitby | Does anyone think it is necessary to retain 2007.1 openmoko generation in MokoMakefile? |
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| 09:58.17 | hrw | rwhitby: no |
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| 10:08.28 | josch | what is 2007.1 still for?? |
| 10:09.07 | kimnotyze | josch: its the old version of the oM interface |
| 10:09.56 | CM | rwhitby: I doubt it's useful for anything any more |
| 10:10.28 | CM | At least not for anyone using the makefile ;) |
| 10:11.23 | hrw | CM: except those who wants to look how ugly it was |
| 10:11.49 | CM | Hehe, exactly. And I guess you can still build it using bitbake? |
| 10:12.01 | hrw | if you want... |
| 10:13.44 | CM | The world is full of masochists.. ;) |
| 10:15.04 | Stephmw | yup, 326 in here |
| 10:15.16 | hrw | Stephmw: I had to say that ;( |
| 10:15.27 | josch | kimnotyze, I know WHAT it is but I don't know why it is still there |
| 10:16.04 | torpor | hrw: i do the update and now i get this: |
| 10:16.26 | torpor | http://rafb.net/p/54AiqT37.html |
| 10:17.11 | torpor | sorry but this looks borked to me. |
| 10:17.36 | hrw | torpor: I do not know how mokomakefile works internally |
| 10:17.42 | torpor | me either |
| 10:17.44 | torpor | ;) |
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| 10:17.53 | torpor | i'm just following directions. they do not work. |
| 10:18.28 | hrw | but it looks like openmoko monotone server is down |
| 10:18.37 | hrw | iirc they work on it |
| 10:19.28 | torpor | its not because of this? |
| 10:19.28 | torpor | mtn: misuse: base revision 1e4ef7149831080d7927cc7ef101deab67fae6d7 does not exist in database |
| 10:19.54 | rwhitby | torpor: I am talking with OM folks about it now. MokoMakefile won't be changing over to the OM server until they work out how to do versioned snapshot downloads like at http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/ |
| 10:20.15 | rwhitby | (otherwise there will be too many people with monotone db migration problems) |
| 10:20.37 | hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/11/29/gps-driver-for-fic-gta01-in-beta/ |
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| 10:21.54 | torpor | rwhitby: damnit so what do i do now to go back to having a working mokomakefile setup? |
| 10:22.11 | josch | rm -rf * |
| 10:22.19 | torpor | not funny |
| 10:22.22 | rwhitby | make update-makefile; make setup; make update |
| 10:22.24 | hrw | josch: /* you mean? |
| 10:22.27 | ScaredyCat | hrw: isn't that just the wrapper + old gllin? |
| 10:22.30 | josch | hrw, ^^ |
| 10:22.51 | hrw | ScaredyCat: it is but with everything needed to get it working |
| 10:23.01 | ScaredyCat | errm... ok... |
| 10:23.17 | ScaredyCat | ^^ says that as if it's not that case already ;) |
| 10:23.24 | josch | hrw, pff... got this wrapper to work month ago - what's new? |
| 10:23.33 | torpor | rwhitby: ta |
| 10:23.47 | ScaredyCat | josch: he's using it legally |
| 10:23.49 | torpor | josch: whats new is that its in an .ipk and its public and can now be included in things. |
| 10:24.31 | josch | torpor, an ipk that installs to $HOME ?? |
| 10:24.44 | Stephmw | meh, work in progress :) |
| 10:25.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1045 has been created by thomas(AT)openedhand.com |
| 10:25.01 | cdbot2 | * * gsmd does not ignore extra line feeds |
| 10:25.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1045 |
| 10:25.21 | ScaredyCat | all you need is the wrapper + gllin |
| 10:25.30 | josch | ScaredyCat, yeah agpsui2 roxx |
| 10:25.52 | ScaredyCat | well, it works, which is the main thing :) |
| 10:26.12 | hrw | josch: how many people officially has gllin? |
| 10:26.30 | torpor | i have it |
| 10:26.34 | torpor | and i'm testing it now |
| 10:26.39 | ScaredyCat | in theory - none...because its distribution was in error |
| 10:27.30 | josch | hey, now everyone using gllin can make himself legal again! ^^ |
| 10:27.58 | ScaredyCat | did anyone get a copy of the EULA? |
| 10:28.33 | josch | mickey|zzZZzz, did ^^ |
| 10:28.41 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 10:29.04 | ScaredyCat | did he post it, or was it against the EULA |
| 10:29.06 | ScaredyCat | :P |
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| 10:37.22 | rwhitby | Hmm - do we want a "bleeding-edge" switch in MokoMakefile for people who want to get the latest changes from OE directly, rather than getting the safe OM version? |
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| 10:41.12 | borg_ | rwhitby: i guess there are people who want |
| 10:42.15 | borg_ | especially when you want to make/test a patch for something |
| 10:42.22 | borg_ | you probably want the newest version |
| 10:42.52 | rwhitby | This weekly freezing will be a dual-edged sword. |
| 10:43.38 | torpor | okay well the gllin works fine. |
| 10:44.15 | torpor | rwhitby: i don't think its wise to fork mokomakefile into two pieces. you should just let your build manager do his job and make sure he does his job, so that the gap between the two trees is not so wide. |
| 10:44.42 | CM | rwhitby: A stable/unstable setting would be much appreciated, stable being default, but making it easier for those who want to mess around. :) |
| 10:44.47 | torpor | i say let the build guy do what he's supposed to do: give app developers a stable reference upon which to base their development efforts. |
| 10:46.33 | rwhitby | My monotone database is symlinked between OM, OE and nslu2-linux, so I'll always have the latest anyway :-) |
| 10:46.42 | XorA | torpor: you realise no-one but you guys will use the "stable" tree |
| 10:47.51 | rwhitby | XorA: aren't you supposed to be pushing the "party line" ? ;-) |
| 10:48.41 | XorA | rwhitby: that is the party line, Im a developer so I have to develop against today, not last week |
| 10:49.14 | torpor | bah! |
| 10:49.18 | hrw | rwhitby: make update <> make update-head? |
| 10:49.31 | torpor | i sure would like to see things stabilize so we can just focus on apps, and not on system. |
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| 10:49.57 | torpor | it seems to me that the problem is there's a system componenent that should b erock solid stable, and an app componentn that should be very flexible. |
| 10:50.08 | torpor | but, whatever. i'll keep trying to get an app out. soon, soon, any day now .. ;) |
| 10:50.12 | rwhitby | torpor: you want the SDK that mickey is going to release then. |
| 10:50.17 | rwhitby | and not use MokoMakefile at all. |
| 10:50.23 | torpor | maybe |
| 10:50.26 | torpor | could be |
| 10:51.03 | torpor | but to be honest thats a detail i'd rather ignore while i write an app. there is far too much stickiness in the way the whole tree is organized/forked, and lots of seemingly political decisions. i just wanna write an app, run it on my phone, and give it to my users. |
| 10:51.18 | torpor | for now i'm happy with mokomakefile, its stabilized (apart from todays mess) enough for me to do primary app work. |
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| 10:51.40 | AlexJTanner | well the randomly putting #openmoko on freenode works |
| 10:51.47 | AlexJTanner | anyone there? |
| 10:51.51 | rwhitby | nope |
| 10:51.57 | Stephmw | 326 lurkers |
| 10:52.06 | Stephmw | ;) |
| 10:52.08 | _diego__ | not me |
| 10:52.21 | AlexJTanner | ok I have some serious ansomnia right now and I am listening to the interview on the linux link tech show |
| 10:52.26 | AlexJTanner | and I have a question |
| 10:52.32 | jeddy3 | shoot |
| 10:52.33 | torpor | shoot |
| 10:52.44 | cjb_ie | AlexJTanner: let me guess - when is the new version of the phone available? |
| 10:52.52 | torpor | rwhitby: unofficial hacks? !? ! wtf? it came from openmoko!! |
| 10:52.56 | ScaredyCat | you can't spell either AlexJTanner |
| 10:52.56 | AlexJTanner | can we please have a qwerty keyboard |
| 10:53.11 | torpor | AlexJTanner: i use my apple wireless bt keyboard with my neo1973, its lovely and works very very well. |
| 10:53.17 | AlexJTanner | i am a server geek |
| 10:53.28 | rwhitby | torpor: yeah, well they should have checked with me *before* announcing a change to MokoMakefile that wouldn't work properly ... |
| 10:53.34 | AlexJTanner | and I would love to have a phone that I could also use to ssh into my servers |
| 10:53.36 | cjb_ie | ...i gather in theory OM should be able to run on the treo 680 - linux certainly does. dunno about complete hardware support |
| 10:53.43 | torpor | rwhitby: so its politics. you guys can't organize well enough to have such coordination. |
| 10:53.46 | AlexJTanner | and make any quick changes without having to throw the lappy open |
| 10:53.51 | cjb_ie | AlexJTanner: treo 680 - 80 char wide terminal in 44mm |
| 10:53.54 | torpor | AlexJTanner: just get a bt keyboard, and you're all set. it works well. |
| 10:54.17 | AlexJTanner | so nothing built in? |
| 10:54.19 | torpor | i use my bt keyboard and neo just as you describ e, and have terminal set up for 80col mode. |
| 10:54.28 | josch | torpor, not all bt keyboards work... :-/ |
| 10:54.29 | rwhitby | torpor: is it possible to be part of politics when you're not associated with the company? |
| 10:54.32 | torpor | its a phone. if it came with a keyboard built in it'd be a laptop. |
| 10:54.39 | torpor | josch: the sexy ones do. |
| 10:54.51 | cjb_ie | torpor: the treo's not a laptop... |
| 10:54.53 | torpor | rwhitby: yes! when you're an opinion leader/project mover'n'shaker. |
| 10:54.55 | NineX | ScaredyCat: do you know results of your baterry test on qtopia? |
| 10:55.11 | ScaredyCat | not so good... |
| 10:55.12 | rwhitby | AlexJTanner: I'm with you - until the Neo has a keyboard it will be difficult to replace my Treo650. |
| 10:55.20 | AlexJTanner | yeah |
| 10:55.25 | ScaredyCat | it died sometime in the middle of the night |
| 10:55.28 | torpor | neo1973 + apple bt keyboard == LOVE! |
| 10:55.31 | josch | torpor, is this sexy? http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/keyboard.jpg |
| 10:55.38 | josch | torpor, well it doesn't work |
| 10:55.38 | ScaredyCat | so openmoko does beter atm |
| 10:55.48 | johncylee | rwhitby: that will be my fault... sorry. |
| 10:55.59 | torpor | josch: its not sexy, no. its whack. and why doesn't it work? |
| 10:56.12 | AlexJTanner | i am really tempted to get one of the open moko devolper previews, but I am on alltell |
| 10:56.17 | josch | well it works with my debian/ubuntu but not with openmoko |
| 10:56.22 | torpor | why not? |
| 10:56.24 | josch | I suspect a kernel module missing |
| 10:56.27 | torpor | bah! |
| 10:56.36 | torpor | did you follow the bluetooth howto on the wiki? |
| 10:56.37 | torpor | coz i did |
| 10:56.43 | torpor | and it works very very well with the apple bt keyboard .. |
| 10:56.54 | torpor | so well that it prompted me to add a bt keyboard page to settingsgui .. |
| 10:57.00 | AlexJTanner | ok I think you are missing my point |
| 10:57.05 | torpor | .. which isn't finished yet |
| 10:57.08 | josch | torpor, I can assure you that I tried everything I could |
| 10:57.21 | josch | and I also positively tested other keyboards |
| 10:57.26 | AlexJTanner | my point is that I want something to open up, not grab any periphials and do small tasks with a keyboard |
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| 10:57.39 | josch | and for this keyboard for example the uinput module waws missing |
| 10:57.42 | torpor | AlexJTanner: like an sl5500 or something. |
| 10:57.44 | josch | I added it to the wiki |
| 10:57.55 | josch | one error went away but it still didn't work |
| 10:57.57 | torpor | josch: doesn't make sense, coz its all onboard. |
| 10:58.01 | torpor | did you do the passkey setup? |
| 10:58.05 | josch | well uinput was not |
| 10:58.14 | torpor | weird. |
| 10:58.17 | torpor | works just great for me. |
| 10:58.40 | josch | this keyboard requieres no pairing |
| 10:58.49 | torpor | i can't say enough about it. i just love the combination of the two devices. i'm now leaving my powerbook at home .. |
| 10:59.04 | torpor | josch: that must be it then, coz i pair my bt keyboard. |
| 10:59.07 | AlexJTanner | torpor: naw with the keyboard the other way |
| 10:59.07 | josch | on ubuntu all I do is hidd --search |
| 10:59.09 | rwhitby | johncylee: no problem - we'll sort it out. |
| 10:59.37 | AlexJTanner | torpor: like a sidekick except without the flip |
| 10:59.40 | AlexJTanner | just slid |
| 10:59.47 | johncylee | rwhitby: I updated wiki to remove the hack.. but I'm not sure if I should remove them completely. |
| 10:59.53 | Stephmw | josch: yeah, BT on Ubuntu JustWorked... it's a little unreliable though |
| 10:59.55 | josch | torpor, why should paring be the reason? it works on ubuntu without problems? |
| 11:00.41 | johncylee | rwhitby: basically I was going to release the OM server only... seems it's unnecessary to put anything about mokomakefile right now. |
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| 11:02.36 | AlexJTanner | also, are their any plans for an IRC client? |
| 11:02.46 | rwhitby | johncylee: if we can get the download snapshot area updated tomorrow .tw time, then just ping me here and we can change over. |
| 11:03.08 | rwhitby | johncylee: I'm in roughly the same timezone - GMT+10:30 |
| 11:04.48 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: are you documenting what is going on on your blog or somehwere.... and if not , why not :) |
| 11:06.46 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: I posted a follow-up on the mailing lists where the announcement was made. Apart from that, nothing has changed, so nothing to report yet. |
| 11:06.47 | mjr | Blw. How to get NMEA coordinates into a map position on eg. Google maps? |
| 11:07.08 | Stephmw | mjr: I thought gmaps understood NMEA? |
| 11:07.21 | ScaredyCat | push them into a db, then use ajax on a gm page |
| 11:07.44 | ScaredyCat | 'ajax' meaning a javascript poll script |
| 11:07.58 | Stephmw | Oooo... let's start the RainbowNMEA tables :D |
| 11:08.25 | mjr | at least the search doesn't |
| 11:08.45 | mjr | I suppose I'll have to convert by hand |
| 11:08.57 | AlexJTanner | ok I think I may be able to get to bed now |
| 11:09.04 | AlexJTanner | I will be back tommarow to talk |
| 11:09.21 | rwhitby | AlexJTanner: welcome to the community |
| 11:10.42 | mjr | Whee, I got a good fix :) |
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| 11:33.55 | fgau | mjr: convert the NMEA data via gbabel to gpx and upload this to http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/ |
| 11:34.02 | Hicks | Hello :) |
| 11:34.50 | mjr | already converted via bc into decimal and confirmed the location on google maps |
| 11:34.55 | Hicks | I'm looking for advices setting up the gta01 as a gprs modem for a eeepc series (Asus), is there anyone who can guide me please? |
| 11:34.56 | mjr | thanks for the pointers, though |
| 11:35.44 | Hicks | Anyone pease? |
| 11:35.45 | mjr | use the GPRS instructions on the wiki, set up ip masquerading on the gta01, and set the gta01 as the default route for your asus? |
| 11:36.00 | Hicks | My problem is before those steps |
| 11:36.26 | mjr | if you have a spesific problem, do tell |
| 11:36.30 | Hicks | i'm not sure on how to set up the gta01 (latest release of OpenMoko) to use our SIM card |
| 11:36.48 | Hicks | the device doesnt asks for a pin, and i dont know how to check if it is connected to GSM or not. |
| 11:37.30 | mjr | "libgsmd-tool -m shell", "O", should ask a PIN; input it, then "r" should register onto the GSM network |
| 11:37.37 | Hicks | i have talked a lot with Joachim about other things, he told me that our company will get support most likely on IRC |
| 11:37.48 | Hicks | ooh fine |
| 11:37.55 | Hicks | hold on i'm trying :) |
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| 11:38.18 | Hicks | So actually there is no GUI for people who don't wanna get dirt in command line? |
| 11:38.53 | mjr | apparently the GUI initializing the GSM isn't reliable; some have said it works for them, may be some races in the boot, or may be that spesific releases are required |
| 11:39.34 | Hicks | oh ok |
| 11:39.35 | mjr | (the GUI has PIN-asking code, it actually should also ask it if it's turned on after you input the "O" in libgsmd-tool) |
| 11:39.48 | Hicks | let me try the libgsmd params |
| 11:40.27 | WhatTheHell | hi there. i know this quesiton is a little off-topic, but as you guys are into mobile-phones, do you know where can i find software for backing up samsung e-820 contents? i have the original com cable, but i cannot get a clue on where to find the software. Even at the manufacturer's website there are not any relevant info. thanks :) |
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| 11:40.36 | mjr | also if you input the PIN in the gui, it'll register (apparently), so really you should only have to do the O on -tool |
| 11:40.55 | Hicks | yeah but how to "input" the pin in the GUI =/ |
| 11:41.13 | mjr | Hicks, the Dial button changes into a Send PIN button |
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| 11:41.58 | Hicks | oO really |
| 11:42.02 | Hicks | hold on a sec :) |
| 11:42.17 | Ghiottone|work | hi all |
| 11:42.21 | Hicks | nop |
| 11:42.32 | Hicks | the "dial" button of the dialler APP doesnt change at all |
| 11:42.56 | Hicks | Maybe i'm not talking about the same rootfs image? i'm using the one put on the buildhost this month, the 21th |
| 11:43.23 | mjr | I think I'm using an older one. Anyway, try and initialize and register on -tool for now, at least see if it works at all |
| 11:43.36 | mjr | (I'm using a ScaredyCat image) |
| 11:43.40 | Hicks | ok i'm on it :) |
| 11:45.28 | mjr | should really upgrade sometime and see what breaks again |
| 11:45.38 | Hicks | i think i got the problem pointed |
| 11:45.49 | Hicks | when i try to use libgsmd |
| 11:45.57 | Hicks | it is said that it cant connect to gsmd |
| 11:46.03 | Hicks | so i'm going to start it manually |
| 11:46.07 | mjr | well then, /etc/init.d/gsmd start |
| 11:46.07 | mjr | yeah |
| 11:46.45 | Hicks | should i update-rc.d with it too, or is there a good reason why it doesnt automatically start? |
| 11:47.34 | mjr | well, again it probably "should" |
| 11:47.42 | Hicks | ok |
| 11:47.43 | Hicks | wel |
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| 11:47.57 | Hicks | now the gsm daemon is running, i've powered on the GSM with libgsmd |
| 11:48.01 | mjr | for me it even does, as said using the scaredycat images (but not a very new one) |
| 11:48.19 | Hicks | hmm |
| 11:48.29 | Hicks | the dialer says "no network", and doesnt ask for a pin |
| 11:48.37 | Hicks | i'll try setting up the pin using libgsmd wait :) |
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| 11:49.16 | Hicks | how to input the pin in libgsmd, if it doesn't ask it itself? |
| 11:49.29 | mjr | well, it _should_ ask :] |
| 11:49.47 | mjr | Did you have a potentially problematic SIM? A US 3G one? |
| 11:50.10 | Hicks | no |
| 11:50.19 | Hicks | french one, tried on 3 neo with 2 different sims. |
| 11:50.33 | Hicks | on our other "regular" phones, we have a good network signal... |
| 11:50.35 | Hicks | so i dont know. |
| 11:50.54 | Hicks | (And the startup links of gsmd seems to be already here at good init levels) |
| 11:51.08 | mjr | so you have libgsmd-tool -m shell there, you say O and it doesn't ask for PIN? |
| 11:51.42 | Hicks | Absolutely, it just says "# # Power-On" |
| 11:51.50 | Hicks | Is it somehow a problem? |
| 11:52.04 | mjr | only in the sense that it should |
| 11:52.11 | Hicks | =/ |
| 11:52.16 | Hicks | So what can i do? |
| 11:52.46 | Hicks | lol |
| 11:52.54 | mjr | try "o" and "O" for good measure; maybe restart gsmd, try again; then perhaps take the SIM out, reinsert (to try and make sure there's no contact issue) |
| 11:52.58 | Hicks | i'm not sure i understand this :D |
| 11:53.08 | Hicks | ok wait (i just did that, but let me try again) |
| 11:53.25 | mjr | you understood it just fine, WhatTheHell is just being differently polite :] |
| 11:53.36 | Hicks | hmm strange |
| 11:53.52 | Hicks | when i do a gsmd restart, it says it is not running now |
| 11:53.55 | Hicks | maybe it crashes |
| 11:53.58 | WhatTheHell | :D |
| 11:54.02 | mjr | possibly |
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| 11:54.03 | WhatTheHell | sorry, just defocusing |
| 11:54.04 | Hicks | but log/messages doesnt tells it |
| 11:54.09 | Hicks | lol whatthe... |
| 11:54.41 | Hicks | good |
| 11:54.45 | Hicks | now it asks for the PIN |
| 11:54.54 | mjr | all right :] |
| 11:55.00 | josch | what did you do Hicks ? |
| 11:55.03 | Hicks | well |
| 11:55.10 | Hicks | josh are you Joachim Steiger? |
| 11:55.25 | josch | Hicks, no ^^ |
| 11:55.37 | Hicks | i just restarted it twice, then libgsmtool did ask me the bin after power off - power on |
| 11:55.45 | Hicks | restarted gsmd i mean. |
| 11:56.13 | Hicks | does Ctrl C kills GSMD when operating it from libgsmd tool's shell? |
| 11:56.26 | Hicks | dang |
| 11:56.29 | josch | maybe someone should release a watchdog script checking for the gsmd pid and restarting it if it crashed again |
| 11:56.31 | Hicks | dialer error no network |
| 11:56.35 | Hicks | yes |
| 11:56.42 | mjr | Hicks, did you input r to register |
| 11:56.45 | Hicks | sounds dirty, why does it crash? |
| 11:56.52 | Hicks | nope just done it |
| 11:57.00 | Hicks | now it is searching for network |
| 11:57.02 | Hicks | done |
| 11:57.11 | Hicks | but you said that the GUI would auto register? |
| 11:57.11 | josch | check your connection with Q |
| 11:57.33 | mjr | Hicks, if you input the PIN from the GUI... |
| 11:58.06 | Hicks | if i input the pin from the GUI the "call" button doesnt change. |
| 11:58.10 | mjr | mine just crashes some, not a lot ;) |
| 11:58.17 | Hicks | well |
| 11:58.32 | mjr | Hicks, it should change at the same time you input O on the libgsmd-tool |
| 11:58.40 | mjr | ie. the gui should ask for it |
| 11:58.52 | Hicks | if there are more stable images tell me, i had been told by Joachim to download them at a place |
| 11:58.52 | mjr | probably the gui doesn't have a connection to your newly started gsmd |
| 11:58.55 | mjr | restart the gui |
| 11:58.59 | Hicks | gmm |
| 11:59.02 | Hicks | wait :) |
| 11:59.29 | mjr | (it was some x-nodm initscript) |
| 11:59.32 | mjr | (or something) |
| 11:59.39 | Hicks | hmm cant tell wait |
| 11:59.42 | CM | Hicks: Ask roh who Joachim Steiger is ;) |
| 11:59.54 | Hicks | if i ctrl C the libgsm tool no problem right? |
| 11:59.57 | Hicks | Roh is him |
| 12:00.02 | Hicks | i know that |
| 12:00.05 | mjr | Hicks, it shouldn't be |
| 12:00.08 | Hicks | oky |
| 12:00.16 | Hicks | Mjr you're very helpfull :D |
| 12:00.34 | CM | ~praise mjr |
| 12:00.35 | apt | All hail mjr! |
| 12:00.36 | mjr | 'course, "shouldn't" is a relative measure |
| 12:00.40 | Hicks | i'm not sure how to restart the GUI without changing my INIT level |
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| 12:00.58 | Hicks | do i have to kill the xwindow manager and start it by and or what? |
| 12:01.05 | Hicks | lol |
| 12:01.06 | mjr | Hicks, /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart (it'll spew a lot of stuff on stderr) |
| 12:01.17 | Hicks | oooh |
| 12:01.22 | Hicks | new scriiiipt :D |
| 12:01.32 | Hicks | On the last release i had, there was no such a facility :D |
| 12:01.40 | Hicks | 2007.1 =/ |
| 12:01.54 | CM | Heh, ouch, that's old |
| 12:01.59 | Hicks | kinda :D |
| 12:03.08 | Hicks | now the dialer is making this "outgoing call thing"... but the n° i'm calling doesnt rings :D |
| 12:03.45 | josch | Hicks, just use libgsmd-tool for calling - it gives you more messages |
| 12:03.54 | mjr | again you could try, for testing's sake... yeah, do what josch said |
| 12:03.54 | Hicks | hmm |
| 12:04.33 | Hicks | i'm setting up the phone for our commercial who doesnt know what a linux shell is... we need it to work GUI, not in command line |
| 12:04.45 | mjr | (for me the gui works semireliably for calling and receiving calls) |
| 12:05.14 | mjr | Hicks, well obviously it isn't consumer-ready |
| 12:05.33 | Hicks | yes i know, just teasing :D |
| 12:07.19 | Hicks | i just had restarted gsmd, and xwindow |
| 12:07.32 | Hicks | now i'm going to reproduce the gsm shell steps to see |
| 12:07.42 | Hicks | then make a phone call with libgsmdtool |
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| 12:11.10 | Hicks | ok weee now the dialer works :) |
| 12:11.15 | Hicks | thanks people for helping me :) |
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| 12:18.41 | kimnotyze | hm.. has somebody tried to compile an IM Client for the oM? |
| 12:18.45 | kW | does anybody knows whether neo1973 will support misfeatures like "stealth SMS" (i.e. receiving, acknowledging the receipt of a SMS message, but not notifying the user of this)? |
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| 12:19.28 | kimnotyze | kW: this is not planned in the official release, but additional software may could make itpossible.. even if i dont think that the gsm chip supports this |
| 12:20.14 | kW | kimnotyze: it is more that I definitely _not_ want to have this feature, but nearly every mobile phone "supports" it |
| 12:20.29 | kW | these features are used to track peoples positions without them knowing |
| 12:21.22 | borg_ | kW: the gsm module is probably doing this itself |
| 12:21.28 | borg_ | we can't do anything against it |
| 12:21.38 | flexd_ | kW: You can code the sms application yourself, if you dont want it to notify you then just remove the code that does the notifying ;) |
| 12:22.12 | drath | flexd_: i guess it's more about the GSM not notifying you about having received a sms |
| 12:22.18 | kW | borg_: does it mean the gsm-handling software is not free? |
| 12:22.46 | borg_ | the gsm module has its own processor and (non-free) firware |
| 12:23.06 | kW | :-( |
| 12:23.11 | borg_ | the gsm handling software is free |
| 12:23.22 | borg_ | but who knows what the firmware does before? |
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| 12:23.56 | borg_ | kW: the gsm firmware can't be free because of legal issues |
| 12:23.58 | mjr | though, mind you, the provider doesn't need to send you SMSes to track your position |
| 12:24.22 | kW | mjr: I know |
| 12:24.28 | ruskie | just id the tower you're connected to :) |
| 12:24.55 | kW | mjr: strange enough, this is actually used to track people |
| 12:25.05 | mjr | and the closed gsm chip of course doesn't have access to anything more accurate than the provider gets |
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| 12:25.20 | tonyg | how's the build at the moment? My mokomakefile-driven build is failing at the xorg "render" extension |
| 12:25.28 | tonyg | oddly |
| 12:25.29 | mjr | of course, if the gsm chip has such hidden functionality, it can give out cell tower info to parties other than the operator |
| 12:25.44 | kW | mjr: maybe the reason for doing so is that GSM handsets remain silent for many hours if they do not change base stations |
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| 12:26.17 | ruskie | just cary own picocell with you ;) |
| 12:26.27 | kW | borg_: is it that no GSM firmware can be free ever? |
| 12:26.39 | kW | ruskie: hehe :-) |
| 12:26.46 | josch | what to do if kill or killall do not kill my process? |
| 12:26.48 | ruskie | it solves the tracking issues :) |
| 12:27.05 | mjr | kW, it is. |
| 12:27.23 | flexd_ | josch: kill -9 <proccess> ? |
| 12:27.24 | kW | mjr: why? |
| 12:27.31 | mjr | governments don't want easily hackable gsm radios to interfere with the networks |
| 12:27.49 | ruskie | hmm will it be hard to completly turn off/disable the gsm chip? |
| 12:27.53 | XorA | goverments dont want users to know when cell encryption is turned off |
| 12:28.02 | XorA | like around brussels during certain meetings :-) |
| 12:28.06 | mjr | GSM relies heavily on the cell tower controlling who sends what when |
| 12:28.08 | kW | but formally, it is not "their networks", is it a particular company's network |
| 12:28.13 | mjr | XorA, that's perhaps a point too... |
| 12:28.33 | mjr | kW, that's why I didn't say "their" |
| 12:29.14 | Crofton|home | governemnt, heck the opeators do not want people screwing up the network :) |
| 12:29.16 | kW | ah, sorry, I misread the "their", although it pretty much matches of what government thinks of what the networks are |
| 12:29.55 | ruskie | Crofton|home, so let them add more failsaves in their hardware... not the consumers.. |
| 12:29.59 | mjr | of course, as for the encryption bit, we can do _properly_ encrypted calls on GSM data around those meetings in Brussels anyway to coordinate our... wait |
| 12:29.59 | kW | yes, but there is free speech and all the stuff, what is the exact legal tool to make some particular software like a GSM firmware non-free? |
| 12:30.12 | Mononoke | XorA: cellencryption won't help, remember Greece evasedroping incident |
| 12:30.14 | ruskie | those that want will hack |
| 12:30.34 | Mononoke | *eavesdropping |
| 12:30.37 | b52deb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.48 | XorA | Mononoke: I have it on good authority that cell encryption seems to go wrong during certain meetings in brussels :-) |
| 12:30.59 | kW | (regarding encryption, one of the first hacks of openmoko should be running speech over openvpn over GSM) |
| 12:31.20 | Crofton|home | heh |
| 12:31.27 | Crofton|home | not as easy as you think |
| 12:31.37 | Mononoke | b52deb_: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/11/greek_mobile_wiretap_latest/ google it |
| 12:31.49 | kW | is there access to the binary data which goes over thie wire? |
| 12:31.54 | mjr | kW, I'm not a lawyer, but basically a GSM radio mustn't be easily user modifiable to do non-gsm-spec stuff |
| 12:32.00 | flexd_ | kW: there is no wire :P |
| 12:32.12 | kW | flexd_: of course ;-) |
| 12:32.13 | b52deb_ | Mononoke, ok thanks |
| 12:32.42 | mjr | kW, we don't have direct access to what gets transmitted, no |
| 12:33.05 | kW | mjr: not in the sense that we can send arbitrary data over voice channels? |
| 12:33.32 | mjr | kW, no, the chip does the GSM encoding. Yes, that means you must do encrypted calls over GSM data connections, which may cost a bit more depending on provider. |
| 12:34.02 | kW | mjr: or one creates a reverse GSM encoding cipher |
| 12:34.40 | mjr | kW, the matter has been talked to death. Apparently there is a codec capable of transmitting was it around 1300kbps over the GSM voice channel. |
| 12:34.46 | kW | but you know what happend to the guy who wanted to create a do-it-yourself ISDN-encrypting toolkit (called "cryptophon")? he was killed, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Floricic |
| 12:34.56 | mjr | eek, not k of course |
| 12:35.06 | kW | mjr: oh, I did not know that this is a "well talked" matter |
| 12:35.10 | mjr | SpeedEvil mentioned that, but couldn't find the source for that either. |
| 12:35.18 | Mononoke | b52deb_: this is better link http://www.bradykiesling.com/vodafone_scandal.htm |
| 12:35.42 | mjr | not to speak of free implementations, and <2kbps is still a bit low for transmitting voice |
| 12:37.30 | kW | mjr: so what is sent to the GSM chip? 16-bit audio? |
| 12:37.42 | mjr | actually a bit worse, analog audio |
| 12:37.58 | kimnotyze | the gsm chip ist directly connected to the microphone as i know |
| 12:37.59 | kW | uh |
| 12:38.01 | mjr | (digital capability would've apparently come at a premium) |
| 12:38.47 | kW | no chance to implement a voice-mailbox without allowing the operator to charge twice (once for writing, once for reading)? |
| 12:39.02 | mjr | kimnotyze, not _directly_. The GSM chip, as are the I/O devices, are connected to the audio chip. Mixer controls access. |
| 12:39.17 | mjr | kW, you can. |
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| 12:39.52 | mjr | the audio chip can route audio to and fro the gsm chip, the SoC, and the I/O devices pretty flexibly |
| 12:39.56 | kW | mjr: by routing GSM-analog-audio between some openmoko sound-chip? |
| 12:40.11 | CIA-14 | 03mickey * r3531 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-gsm/src/Makefile.am: openmoko-panel-gsm: remove PIN components from Makefile for now |
| 12:40.12 | kW | ah |
| 12:40.30 | mjr | Yes. There'll be an extra d-a-d step which is a shame, but possible |
| 12:41.00 | kW | mhh, it is really a shame... |
| 12:41.13 | kW | mjr: will there be access to download and upload the GSM chip firmware? |
| 12:41.47 | mjr | (still, a local voicemailbox isn't a true substitute for an operator one, among other things because it can only service one called at a time) |
| 12:41.57 | mjr | (and doesn't obviously work with no reception) |
| 12:42.02 | borg_ | kW: as said, it is not allowed to sell phones that have user accessable gsm firmware |
| 12:42.28 | kW | borg_: which rule says so..? |
| 12:42.41 | kW | mjr: (of course ;-)) |
| 12:42.44 | mjr | kW, no. Apparently they are studying the possibilities of making it user-upgradable from TI provided firmwares, but at the moment only the OM people can upgrade either |
| 12:43.09 | Mononoke | hmm I think that it would be possible to create some kind of Off-the-Record calling for Openmoko |
| 12:43.29 | kW | mjr: ah, it is the firmware issue noted here... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
| 12:43.42 | parkr | hm..i just build the rootfs for x86 on ubuntu, chrooted, started the x-server from within the chroot-env, it connects to xephy but just shows the default grey x screen there, no apps. any clues what might be the reason? :/ |
| 12:43.44 | mjr | yes |
| 12:44.04 | kW | mhh, then I hope for user-upgradeability |
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| 12:44.26 | Crofton|home | http://comsec.com/crypto.html |
| 12:44.30 | mjr | kW, it would be nice if they can at least pull that off. Count on the firmwares to be digitally signed, if not encrypted, though :] |
| 12:44.38 | Crofton|home | the market for this was criminals :) |
| 12:44.51 | kW | having the feeling if carrying a surveillance device and even paying for it is not a good one... |
| 12:45.03 | mjr | Mononoke, using GSM data calls, as said, encrypted calls aren't a real problem to do |
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| 12:45.18 | kW | mjr: then please make them use RC4 or something like that ;-) |
| 12:45.50 | mjr | kW, I'm not going to code that, would require too much committment for my focusing abilities |
| 12:46.04 | kW | Crofton|home: interesting |
| 12:46.13 | mjr | but I'm sure somebody will |
| 12:46.45 | kW | mjr: yes, the less barriers, the better :-) |
| 12:48.10 | mjr | kW, well, since the GSM network needs to know where you are anyway for the phone to, you know, work, it isn't really much more of a surveillance device than it needs to be |
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| 12:48.43 | mjr | and of course as we control the mixer from the openmoko side, at least you can be reasonably sure the gsm chip won't be eavesdropping :] |
| 12:49.23 | kW | mjr: there are some additional steps: like installing a "rootkit" remotely (yes, there are devices out there that happily accept remotely initiated firmware upgrade), asking a mobile phone to silently connect, ... |
| 12:49.39 | kW | mjr: yes, that releaves me a bit :-) |
| 12:51.54 | mjr | yeah I know there's stuff like that around |
| 12:52.10 | mjr | just that the whole of the Neo is a bit safer even if the TI chip happened to be one |
| 12:52.29 | kW | because of the topic "surveillance state" becomes bigger in some countries, it looks like providing a "trustable phone" (i.e. with encryption, no remote firmware upgrade, ...) can hit a huge market |
| 12:52.43 | kW | mjr: :-) |
| 12:53.06 | kW | mjr: but it is good to know where the security boundary is |
| 12:53.41 | mjr | (then of course you can ask yourself if you trust the mixer not to have backdoors, which is why I said "reasonably" ;] ) |
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| 12:54.25 | mjr | yeah |
| 12:54.30 | kW | mjr: hehe, but this form of trust is at risk of being discovered and published (at least as long as publishing is not suppressed...) |
| 12:54.53 | kW | mjr: hehe, but this form of backdoor is at risk of being discovered and published (at least as long as publishing is not suppressed...) |
| 12:55.22 | kW | especially because there are real hardware hackers around and explicitly targeted by openmoko :-) |
| 12:56.09 | mjr | and yes indeed, I do think the Neo is well-positioned to take the niche of an affordable and very (if not completely) transparent cryptophone; there are commercial cryptophones available, but last I checked they cost an arm and a leg and aren't _quite_ as open (even though cryptophone.de did have source available for review, I believe) |
| 12:56.54 | mjr | ...given that Somebody(TM) writes the software, of course |
| 12:57.07 | ruskie | :) |
| 12:57.33 | ruskie | and naturaly it would only work between devices that supported the crypto/decrypto sw |
| 12:57.35 | kW | mjr: I hope that this will happen :-) |
| 12:57.52 | mjr | naturally |
| 12:58.31 | mudyc | they need a data link rather than a voice |
| 12:58.50 | mjr | cryptophone.de has their (gsm-data-using) protocol documented and they welcome other implementors; I have suggested on the community list anyone implementing crypted calls for openmoko to consider supporting that to leverage their installed base |
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| 12:59.32 | mjr | their code is sadly non-free so not usable as such |
| 13:00.38 | kW | it would be interesting if the crypto-over-gsm would be opportunistic: i.e. do encryption with both handsets support it, otherwise do not |
| 13:01.13 | mjr | well... you could try to initiate a gsm-data call first for encrypted comms, and then fall back to calling voice |
| 13:01.25 | mjr | that'd add some delay though :I |
| 13:02.14 | mjr | (to all voice calls) |
| 13:02.31 | kW | mhh |
| 13:02.55 | kW | I was more thinking about adding something to the voice channel, like hidden low-bitrate data |
| 13:03.04 | kW | (like data in FM radio) |
| 13:03.12 | kW | to indicate the opportunity |
| 13:03.19 | mudyc | what's the used packing method for voice before encryption in secure call? |
| 13:03.24 | niclone | hi, is there someone here whith the gsm working on a recent sim card from france? (my orange sim card won't work due to bug #666). I would like to know about other gsm providers... |
| 13:03.27 | kW | and then store the receiver's capability of this in an addressbook |
| 13:04.10 | mjr | kW, mmh. That kind of data would perhaps be possible... Then you could make the following calls encrypted |
| 13:04.41 | kW | mjr: mhh, one should agree on an in-band-signalling standard |
| 13:04.42 | mjr | niclone, there was Hicks here from France who just got his SIM working, but sadly he left. |
| 13:04.50 | kW | (or at least publish one) |
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| 13:05.32 | niclone | ah |
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| 13:06.12 | kW | mjr: wouldn't there be a way to flash the GSM chip firmware using JTAG? |
| 13:06.13 | kW | mjr: hehe |
| 13:07.30 | mjr | don't know |
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| 13:09.13 | kW | :-) |
| 13:09.21 | mjr | as for that in-band signaling, we talked a bit on that for other uses before; it'd be nice if you could for instance send your GPS coordinates during a call. Even DTMF could be sufficient, though a bit better would probably be doable also. |
| 13:09.52 | kW | mhh |
| 13:11.26 | kW | so a "digital-stream to GSM-voice" translation software would be of high usability... |
| 13:11.30 | mjr | have to keep in mind though that any kind of active monitoring/recording/whatever of the call will eat that much more battery (if you do a straight voice call, the CPU can pretty much be suspended during, since it can just hook the chip to the audio I/O |
| 13:11.47 | kW | mhh |
| 13:11.54 | kW | I see |
| 13:12.01 | mjr | 'course, currently the CPU isn't suspended much anyway, so... |
| 13:12.11 | kW | there is no such thing as a free lunch ;-) |
| 13:14.28 | mjr | yeah, I'm pretty much resigned to charging the neo often, since I want to have much of it on much of the time ;) |
| 13:15.19 | kW | :-) |
| 13:16.26 | mjr | though I can probably live with it sleeping also much of the time, just waking up like once a minute to take a gps fix or something |
| 13:17.17 | mjr | also we'll see if it's feasible to have always on gprs once the other power management is more robust... |
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| 13:40.56 | cosmin | hey guys |
| 13:41.28 | cosmin | i got a problem with mokomakefile, could anyone give me a hand? |
| 13:42.04 | abraxa_ | If you show your problem in a pastebin, maybe :) |
| 13:44.21 | cosmin | http://celpaste.morb-design.com/pastebin.php?show=m612f9dc2 |
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| 13:48.43 | abraxa_ | Hmm |
| 13:49.43 | cosmin | line 36 says it can't find -lc, but i do have /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 13:51.23 | borg_ | mh |
| 13:51.33 | Ghiottone|work | maybe you have to look in ${STAGEDIR}/lib ? |
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| 13:51.40 | borg_ | is it searching for a crosscompiled libc or for the local libc? |
| 13:52.02 | abraxa_ | module-init-tools-cross |
| 13:52.11 | abraxa_ | So the cross-compiled libc |
| 13:52.22 | borg_ | mh |
| 13:52.41 | Ghiottone|work | maybe a make build-package-glibc could force a stage phase again |
| 13:52.50 | borg_ | normally oe compiles all dependencies automatically |
| 13:52.56 | abraxa_ | cosmin: Do you also have a libc.so symlink to libc.so.6 ? |
| 13:53.24 | Ghiottone|work | borg_ I have found some problems when setting number of threads greater than one |
| 13:53.33 | Ghiottone|work | borg_ regarding missing deps |
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| 13:53.58 | cosmin | abraxa_: /lib/libc.so.6 is a link to libc-2.6.1.so, I don't have a libc.so file |
| 13:54.22 | borg_ | Ghiottone|work: oh, thats bad |
| 13:54.48 | borg_ | luckily i dont have more than one core in my pc and laptop :P |
| 13:54.54 | Ghiottone|work | borg_ i.e. while one thread was building a package, the other thread was still building the other package dependencies. so that failed |
| 13:55.43 | abraxa_ | cosmin: Yeah, I was too fast, you're right :) - I do however have a libc.so, though it's not a symlink... no idea if it could be that or not |
| 13:57.30 | cosmin | also, right before starting any tasks, it says "preferred version 2.5 of glibc not available (for item virtual/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-libc-for-gcc)" |
| 13:57.59 | cosmin | could my libc be too new? |
| 13:59.04 | cosmin | Ghiottone|work: i am building glibc again, will see what happens |
| 13:59.10 | borg_ | cosmin: the problem is not with your host pc libc |
| 13:59.28 | borg_ | the problem is, with the arm4vt libc |
| 13:59.42 | zedstar | anyone know a quick way to convert/display the NMEA gps data on any map site? |
| 14:00.25 | cjb_ie | gpsbabel ? |
| 14:00.37 | borg_ | cosmin: you could try "make rebuild-module-init-tools-cross" first |
| 14:00.52 | borg_ | perhaps it will then build the dependencie first |
| 14:00.55 | zedstar | cjb_ie ah yeh thanks that's the one |
| 14:01.46 | cosmin | borg_: is that the right name of the target? |
| 14:01.57 | borg_ | mh |
| 14:02.09 | borg_ | or "make rebuild-module-init-tools" ? |
| 14:02.14 | borg_ | don't know exactly |
| 14:03.46 | cosmin | i did `make rebuild-package-init-tools-cross' |
| 14:04.35 | cosmin | ...and it failed: No providers of build target init-tools-cross (for []) |
| 14:04.38 | Ghiottone|work | make rebuild-package-module-init-tools-cross |
| 14:04.46 | borg_ | ah right |
| 14:04.50 | borg_ | i forgot the -package |
| 14:04.51 | borg_ | sry |
| 14:05.11 | cosmin | oh, so there's both package and module? |
| 14:05.41 | borg_ | no the command is "(rebuild|clean|build)-package-NAME |
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| 14:06.13 | borg_ | where name is the name of the bb file without version number, normally |
| 14:06.27 | cosmin | got it |
| 14:07.42 | cosmin | oh, but some `.la' files failed the sanity test |
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| 14:09.00 | Ghiottone|work | cosmin that should be only a warning |
| 14:09.29 | cosmin | but it's displayed as an error |
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| 14:10.07 | cosmin | however, 0 tasks failed, so i guess you're right |
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| 14:12.09 | borg_ | :) |
| 14:15.01 | zedstar | kewl...the GPS works pretty nice even in my pocket in central london |
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| 14:19.07 | Ghiottone|work | zedstar what are you testing it with? |
| 14:20.30 | cjb_ie | zedstar: the hammerhead? |
| 14:21.35 | zedstar | yeh the gllin binary |
| 14:22.56 | Ghiottone|work | zedstar what are you using? the new apgs application in openmoko or something else? |
| 14:23.05 | cjb_ie | could've done with a GPS that worked well the other day, garmin gekos were absolutely hopeless in dublin city centre for an osm mapping party, even held out in the open |
| 14:23.58 | zedstar | well they have sorted the legal issues with gps so can use gllin binary |
| 14:24.27 | Hicks | Hello again guys :) |
| 14:24.38 | Hicks | I just wanted to ask, is there a log of interesting IRC chats? |
| 14:24.45 | zedstar | not assisted gps just did a normal gps test |
| 14:25.22 | Ghiottone|work | zedstar yeah I know. I just wanted to know what software you are using to read the output of gllin |
| 14:26.31 | zedstar | ah ok....just cat'ing the raw output not using gpsd etc |
| 14:26.39 | zedstar | so is NMEA sentences |
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| 14:27.34 | Ghiottone|work | zedstar ah I see thx |
| 14:27.40 | cjb_ie | gllin binary okay now? _excellent_ |
| 14:27.54 | zedstar | cjb_ie: yeh works nicely |
| 14:27.58 | zedstar | ipk to install |
| 14:28.12 | cjb_ie | right, when gta02 comes out i might see if i can get a cheap gta01 to use for openstreetmap |
| 14:28.22 | Ghiottone|work | zedstar where is the ipk? |
| 14:29.16 | zedstar | well not officially annouced but very soon |
| 14:29.21 | zedstar | a few had it for testing |
| 14:29.55 | Ghiottone|work | zedstar oh I though it already went public |
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| 14:30.22 | zedstar | ghiottone not yet |
| 14:35.49 | XorA | hrw: to answer your blog question, GTA02 cant play from speaker and headphone at same time |
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| 14:37.11 | hrw | thx |
| 14:37.26 | XorA | hrw: the amp switches to one or other on toggling of a GPIO |
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| 14:49.56 | ScaredyCat | Ghiottone|work: well, it has been public for a while now... just not officially public ;) |
| 14:51.23 | Hicks | Sorry for asking again, but i dont want to miss it if it exists: Is there any website where we can find an archive or logs of interesting subjects discussed on this chan? |
| 14:51.36 | XorA | ~logs |
| 14:51.37 | apt | rumour has it, logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 14:52.19 | Hicks | weee very nice thanks :) |
| 14:52.46 | Hicks | here is what i need then: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23openmoko/ |
| 14:53.07 | Stephmw | of course, you'll have to read em to find the interesting bits |
| 14:53.32 | Hicks | not necessarily, i'll download them for the past 3 monthes and index them |
| 14:53.36 | Hicks | so i can search ;) |
| 14:53.59 | Hicks | i believe "interesting bits" for our company needs are within the past 3 monthes. |
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| 14:57.50 | Ghiottone|work | XorA does google indexes irc logs? since when? if it does, what is the url? I'd like to add them to my OpenMoko search engine |
| 14:58.17 | XorA | Ghiottone|work: search for a sentence you said a couple of days ago and find them |
| 14:59.25 | ScaredyCat | oh no... recursion! |
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| 15:09.07 | jadams_ | heya |
| 15:09.17 | jadams_ | so I can't get my ip masquerading working from the phone now |
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| 15:14.18 | Ghiottone|work | XorA I can't find any of my sentences on the web (even one from a couple of weeks ago) |
| 15:15.14 | XorA | Ghiottone|work: odd, every time I have a problem with OE, I google it and find my own complaints about the problem :-) |
| 15:15.50 | Ghiottone|work | XorA lol. could it be that it is #oe that is indexed and not #openmoko then? |
| 15:16.29 | XorA | Ghiottone|work: yeah, but I thought google worked by site, dot by directory |
| 15:16.50 | XorA | maybe openmoko is just not interesting :-) |
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| 15:18.24 | Ghiottone|work | could you do a quick search on your last OE problem? just to know what are the indexed addresses? |
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| 15:18.56 | ScaredyCat | vv |
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| 15:19.51 | zash | a |
| 15:19.58 | jadams_ | how do I get my lat/lng from gps at the command line? |
| 15:20.03 | jadams_ | oh |
| 15:20.04 | jadams_ | nm |
| 15:20.12 | jadams_ | NMEA is on port 6000 localhost, yes? |
| 15:20.30 | jadams_ | anyway...I just need python on the phone now |
| 15:20.46 | zash | try telnet localhost 6000 |
| 15:21.03 | zash | or something like netcat |
| 15:21.07 | zash | iduno |
| 15:21.27 | josch | jadams_, is there a problem with python? |
| 15:23.01 | jadams_ | josch: python not found |
| 15:23.12 | Ghiottone|work | there should be a named pipe in /tmp with nmea output |
| 15:23.15 | jadams_ | zash, sorry, I forgot. We've already got a python script to handle it as well |
| 15:23.51 | jadams_ | Ghiottone|work, ls /tmp => gsm.log ipkg-jW4FP3 pulse-root tmp |
| 15:24.59 | josch | jadams_, ipkg install python ? |
| 15:25.31 | Ghiottone|work | jadams_ there is when the gps driver is running |
| 15:25.54 | jadams_ | josch, yeah, doing that now |
| 15:25.55 | jadams_ | thanks though |
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| 15:28.07 | jadams_ | Ghiottone|work, how do I start it running then? |
| 15:28.14 | jadams_ | also, ImportError: No module named socket |
| 15:28.22 | jadams_ | python's missing something from the standard library? |
| 15:28.55 | Ghiottone|work | jadams_ do you have the binary? |
| 15:29.14 | jadams_ | Ghiottone|work, doubtful |
| 15:29.31 | jadams_ | does that mean I don't have any data coming off the GPS chip at all? |
| 15:29.51 | jadams_ | (I have a R1 device, and purchased devices have no binary afaik) |
| 15:30.10 | ScaredyCat | then you can't use the gps |
| 15:30.26 | jadams_ | oh that blows |
| 15:30.29 | ScaredyCat | you need the wrapper + gllin |
| 15:30.50 | ScaredyCat | then you can install something like openmoko-agpsui2 |
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| 15:31.29 | mjr | have to install that one |
| 15:31.46 | jadams_ | ScaredyCat, thanks. Also, did you catch the mention of python std libs beign unavailable? |
| 15:31.49 | jadams_ | socket, specifically... |
| 15:31.59 | mjr | (I have the test version of the official packaged release that's been mentioned before) |
| 15:32.00 | ScaredyCat | Hrrm... |
| 15:32.24 | jadams_ | ScaredyCat, (I only ask because I run your builds) |
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| 15:33.50 | jadams_ | ScaredyCat, more missing modules in python-core: |
| 15:33.51 | jadams_ | >>> help() |
| 15:33.51 | jadams_ | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 15:33.51 | jadams_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.51 | jadams_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.51 | jadams_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.53 | jadams_ | ImportError: No module named pydoc |
| 15:35.15 | ScaredyCat | well python isn't installed y default... |
| 15:35.21 | jadams_ | ScaredyCat, yeah, installed it |
| 15:35.28 | jadams_ | but I just saw that other packages seem to provide those modules |
| 15:35.31 | jadams_ | python-misc, etc. |
| 15:36.25 | ScaredyCat | wont somehting like python-netclient want socket ? |
| 15:36.45 | jadams_ | ScaredyCat, it's fine now |
| 15:36.51 | jadams_ | I'm sorry to have wasted your time |
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| 15:37.02 | jadams_ | josch, did you get my message? |
| 15:37.19 | josch | jadams_, no - are you registered on freenode? |
| 15:37.44 | jadams_ | josch: I'm logged on from home and can't ssh in to kick that guy off |
| 15:37.47 | jadams_ | so I can't register my real nick |
| 15:37.53 | jadams_ | can you assume I said yes? :) |
| 15:37.58 | josch | kk |
| 15:37.59 | jadams_ | I can see your message come in |
| 15:38.00 | jadams_ | thanks |
| 15:38.34 | josch | jadams_, np |
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| 15:44.52 | Ghiottone|work | XorA ping? |
| 15:44.53 | josch | how is the button you press on a photo camera to take the picture called in english? |
| 15:45.13 | CoreDump | trigger? |
| 15:45.49 | mickeyl | who did the openmoko classic screen locker app? |
| 15:45.56 | josch | CoreDump, really? okay that was simple |
| 15:45.58 | mickeyl | s/app/theme/ |
| 15:46.19 | XorA | Ghiottone|work: wazzup |
| 15:46.49 | abraxa_ | mickeyl: "classic"? |
| 15:47.02 | Ghiottone|work | XorA did you read my line before? I was asking for a link to your latest OE problem rant in the irc channel |
| 15:47.17 | XorA | Ghiottone|work: no idea |
| 15:47.50 | mickeyl | abraxa_: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Display_Locker |
| 15:47.56 | mickeyl | i want to use the classic theme, however |
| 15:48.06 | Ghiottone|work | XorA oh. I just wanted to know which urls google is indexing atm. well thanks anyway |
| 15:48.06 | mickeyl | i'd like the background blended with http://oxyx.oxygen-inc.com/wallpapers/matrix.jpg |
| 15:48.17 | mickeyl | just looking if someone can do that for me or if i need to do it myself :) |
| 15:48.25 | borg_ | mickeyl: have you seen the display locker bug + patch in bugzilla? |
| 15:48.36 | mickeyl | borg_: i have, but i don't think i like the workaround |
| 15:48.46 | borg_ | why? |
| 15:49.09 | mickeyl | because these two additional rotations are kind of disturbing to the user, i think |
| 15:49.29 | borg_ | it has to be, that you can unlock the display every time with the same motion |
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| 15:50.00 | borg_ | you have unlocked the screen before the graphics even pop up |
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| 15:50.35 | borg_ | but if the display locker can be rotated too, you have to wait for the graphics and lock in which direction you have to drag |
| 15:50.56 | jadams_ | alright, gllin's running and agpsui2 is installed, but I just get an awful lot of fails. Is there anything else I need to do, or is it going to catch satellites eventually? |
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| 15:51.27 | mickeyl | borg_: hmm, yeah. let me think some more about it. if i can't come up with a better idea, I'm going to push it this night |
| 15:51.40 | borg_ | ok |
| 15:51.59 | jadams_ | fixes: 0 good, 28 fail, 28 total |
| 15:54.56 | josch | jadams_, had the same issue - just go out and wait |
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| 15:57.55 | jadams_ | josch, I'm setting up a chroot for it |
| 15:58.03 | jadams_ | josch, or is that old info? |
| 15:58.09 | josch | jadams_, it's old |
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| 15:58.13 | jadams_ | argh |
| 15:58.19 | jadams_ | so this one works just fine? |
| 15:58.25 | josch | jadams_, just have the gllin folder withe the binary and the libs in your home folder |
| 15:58.38 | jadams_ | do I just run start_dump? |
| 15:58.42 | jadams_ | or do I run gllin? |
| 15:58.45 | josch | no |
| 15:58.50 | josch | just start apgsui |
| 15:58.54 | josch | nothing more |
| 15:59.16 | josch | it sound's to simple doesn't it? |
| 15:59.23 | jadams_ | ok |
| 15:59.30 | jadams_ | I'll do |
| 15:59.42 | jadams_ | chmod +x anything? |
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| 16:00.14 | josch | jadams_, the tar should have preserved everything correctly |
| 16:00.21 | jadams_ | ahh |
| 16:00.38 | jadams_ | I'll check it out in a sec, about to head outside with it :) |
| 16:01.02 | hozer | does this mean there's a gps binary floating about? |
| 16:02.25 | josch | hozer, do not look at me |
| 16:03.40 | josch | hozer, in fact the binary was released on the very first gta01 release unintentionally |
| 16:04.01 | josch | hozer, this is the reason why it "floats around" and some have it |
| 16:04.13 | hozer | heh |
| 16:04.26 | hozer | so what's the 'official' word ;) |
| 16:04.45 | josch | hozer, you need to accept an eula to use it legally |
| 16:04.54 | hozer | that I can do |
| 16:05.06 | hozer | does anyone have a download site with said EULA ? ;) |
| 16:05.08 | josch | hozer, FIC took very long to publish one |
| 16:05.38 | josch | hozer, it was released to a first few devs a few days ago - it took month to get this far |
| 16:05.49 | hozer | cool |
| 16:05.55 | josch | hozer, if you are lucky the eula is out in the next few weeks |
| 16:06.09 | hozer | so can you run it in a non-gui mode so I could just get a position out of it? |
| 16:06.24 | hozer | or log position to a file |
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| 16:06.52 | josch | hozer, it outputs nmea data |
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| 16:07.42 | jadams_ | josch, I went outside but no connections to any satellites ever |
| 16:08.07 | josch | jadams_, do you use agpsui? |
| 16:08.10 | jadams_ | we're on the highest point in birmingham right now, so I doubt it's signal strength :) |
| 16:08.19 | jadams_ | josch, openmoko-agpsui2 |
| 16:08.29 | jadams_ | did as you said, just untarred to /home/root and ran agpsui2 |
| 16:08.43 | josch | hrm... strange... |
| 16:08.48 | jadams_ | lots of failures |
| 16:09.20 | josch | jadams_, I also encountered this behaviour but I think it was because I was inside |
| 16:09.36 | josch | did some resets and then it worked |
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| 16:10.57 | jadams_ | josch, fwiw if I cat /tmp/nmeaNP while agpsui is running I get nothing |
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| 16:11.12 | abraxa_ | jadams_: Did you press "start"? |
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| 16:11.37 | jadams_ | abraxa_, :) yes |
| 16:11.54 | abraxa_ | Try starting gllin on a console then and see what it says |
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| 16:14.20 | josch | everytime I try to help people with gllin I fear to get pwnd by some FIC guy here |
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| 16:14.42 | LaF0rge | pwnd? |
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| 16:14.58 | josch | well slaped by apt for example |
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| 16:15.12 | Stephmw | LaF0rge: PC Gamer lexicon |
| 16:15.18 | josch | pwnd = owned |
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| 16:17.16 | jadams_ | root@fic-gta01:~/gllin$ ./gllin |
| 16:17.17 | jadams_ | -sh: ./gllin: not found |
| 16:17.24 | jadams_ | josch, it's there, and set to executable |
| 16:17.25 | josch | jadams_, wut? |
| 16:17.31 | josch | ah... so chmod it |
| 16:17.40 | jadams_ | I already did chmod +x it |
| 16:17.49 | josch | wait i will also try |
| 16:17.53 | abraxa__ | jadams_: You can't run it directly, it's OABI |
| 16:18.08 | jadams_ | abraxa_, ahh, thanks |
| 16:18.37 | josch | jadams_, do you have this start_dump script? |
| 16:18.54 | jadams_ | josch, yeah |
| 16:19.01 | jadams_ | just ran screen, and have it running in one term |
| 16:19.02 | abraxa__ | What does it say when you run it? |
| 16:19.06 | abraxa__ | Ahh ok |
| 16:19.19 | jadams_ | as suggested will happen, it ends in gllin: early exit(3) in halInit()/681 |
| 16:19.19 | jadams_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.31 | abraxa__ | And the pipe works now? |
| 16:19.34 | Ghiottone|work | http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5920399313.html |
| 16:19.54 | josch | ERROR: No providers of build target openmoko-agpsui2 (for []) <= how is it called? |
| 16:19.55 | LaF0rge | stephmw: the last time I have played a computer game was dott or indy4 (whatever came later) |
| 16:20.35 | jadams_ | abraxa_, I assume the pipe is periodically updated? It hasn't fired yet, but cat doesn't choke either |
| 16:20.51 | jadams_ | josch, you added scaredycat's repositories? |
| 16:20.55 | abraxa__ | jadams_: Some NMEA should fall out of it every second actually |
| 16:21.16 | josch | jadams_, no I want to compile it myself |
| 16:21.28 | abraxa__ | josch: It's not in OE, I just wrote a patch+bb and gave it to ScaredyCat, so you can just install it from his repo |
| 16:21.32 | jadams_ | abraxa_, then the pipe isn't working |
| 16:21.41 | josch | abraxa__, ah k |
| 16:21.47 | jadams_ | gllin: ../../../src/hal_linux_tt.c:1051: glcb_ExceptionAssert: Assertion `0' failed. |
| 16:22.12 | jadams_ | oh |
| 16:22.17 | jadams_ | so agpsui was stuck on the pipe |
| 16:22.22 | jadams_ | killed it and I can cat the pipe again |
| 16:23.15 | jadams_ | anyway, it's nothing but a ton of $GPGGA,235946.99,,,,,00,00,1.0,,M,0.0001999,M,0.0000199,*51 |
| 16:23.16 | jadams_ | $GPRMC,235946.99,V,,,,,,,120180,,,N*78 |
| 16:23.16 | jadams_ | $GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,2.2,1.0,2.0*33 |
| 16:23.24 | jadams_ | which means no location |
| 16:23.32 | jadams_ | but I got the same crap outside as I do inside the building |
| 16:23.32 | abraxa__ | Yup |
| 16:23.47 | abraxa__ | Some said it takes up to 10 minutes to get a fix |
| 16:23.52 | jadams_ | aha |
| 16:23.57 | jadams_ | well, it'll stay running then |
| 16:23.59 | Ghiottone|work | jadams try using navit |
| 16:24.03 | abraxa__ | Personally, I never got a fix ever but it seems my GPS is broken anyway :) |
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| 16:24.18 | Stephmw | LaF0rge: lucky you ;) |
| 16:24.27 | Ghiottone|work | navit can be configured to get nmea data directly from the /tmp file |
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| 16:24.43 | jadams_ | Ghiottone|work, the tmp file's saying no location anyway |
| 16:24.50 | jadams_ | I'll wait until I see an A,2 or A,3 in the NMEA |
| 16:25.22 | Ghiottone|work | jadams_ I got my A,3 after being for a few minutes outside |
| 16:25.39 | Ghiottone|work | jadams_ tryputting it very close to a window |
| 16:26.22 | josch | jadams_, at least gllin works |
| 16:26.30 | jadams_ | josch, yeah, thanks again for that |
| 16:26.37 | josch | ^^ |
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| 16:29.21 | NineX | did someone tried to lunch lbreakout on openmoko? |
| 16:30.01 | josch | NineX, breakout? http://xkcd.org/347/ |
| 16:30.41 | NineX | josch: breakout is not stupid game |
| 16:30.43 | NineX | ;P |
| 16:31.08 | josch | NineX, better play wesnoth! |
| 16:31.24 | NineX | josch: someone ported it for openmoko? |
| 16:31.39 | josch | NineX, I did ^^ |
| 16:31.50 | edistar | heh |
| 16:31.54 | NineX | josch: so tye to port Uf: Alien Invasion ;P http://ufoai.ninex.info |
| 16:32.06 | NineX | s/tye/try/; |
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| 16:33.10 | NineX | josch: wesnoth rulez ;) i like this game - wesnoth was a first game running on my Gebntoo |
| 16:33.23 | NineX | /s/Gebntoo/gentoo/ |
| 16:34.11 | NineX | josch: where i can download package with wesnoth for openmoko? |
| 16:34.45 | josch | NineX, Shoragan is including my bb in openembedded but for now I can upload it for you |
| 16:36.30 | josch | NineX, do you want to try? do you have 120MB of space free? |
| 16:37.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1046 has been created by robophred(AT)gmail.com |
| 16:37.02 | cdbot2 | * * Bridges game allows number to connect to itself. |
| 16:37.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1046 |
| 16:37.14 | NineX | josch: i will contact with you when i will empty my sd card |
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| 16:46.49 | NineX | josch: please upload package |
| 16:46.58 | NineX | i wil download it and install |
| 16:47.24 | jadams_ | josch, I've never played wesnoth. How would one get ipkg to install stuff to your sd instead of root? |
| 16:48.09 | NineX | hmm |
| 16:48.27 | josch | jadams_, never did install to a custom location - I have my rootfs on sd |
| 16:48.42 | NineX | meybe better is provide tar |
| 16:48.54 | NineX | josch: why you have rootfs on sd? |
| 16:48.59 | josch | NineX, there is a tar inside the ipk |
| 16:49.24 | josch | NineX, because I don't want to destroy the internal flash by writing too often to it |
| 16:49.45 | NineX | josch: sure but i whana install package on sd card, not on nandflash - i have rootfs on nandflash |
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| 16:50.54 | josch | NineX, i understand this but do not know how to do this |
| 16:51.36 | NineX | josch: priv |
| 16:51.47 | Mononoke | oh btw was new release date announced or 25. dec remains? |
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| 16:56.47 | kdean06 | I've asked here before "what works" and gotten different answers as time progresses... What is it that you guys currently feel OpenMoko lacks? |
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| 17:02.34 | jadams_ | kdean06, well, right now receiving calls fails for me |
| 17:02.40 | jadams_ | I can make calls and sound/mic works |
| 17:03.32 | kdean06 | Hrm... |
| 17:03.59 | mjr | (which doesn't happen very often anymore) |
| 17:04.30 | mjr | I would like that gprs multiplexing, that Writchie was afaik working on |
| 17:05.07 | mjr | hooking up to the net without losing access to phone calls would be ... nice |
| 17:05.54 | kdean06 | Hrm.. |
| 17:06.02 | abraxa__ | kdean06: It lacks paid developers to make faster progress :) |
| 17:07.30 | kdean06 | I basically use my phone to make and recieve calls, store my address book and send text messages. Anything beyond that is "extra" for me. I'm not a programmer by very interested in learning, and already a Free Software zealot. I really want a Moko (my current phone is dead) but I also need that "basic" functionality before the hardware is worth the investment. Any chance that that is reasonable "soon"? |
| 17:08.02 | mjr | well, they are working on text messaging ui afaik :] |
| 17:08.34 | josch | kdean06, hrm.... no |
| 17:08.44 | mjr | but reliably, well... |
| 17:08.45 | cjb_ie | what's "soon" ? |
| 17:08.57 | edistar | kdean06: maybe in 4/5 month.. |
| 17:10.05 | kdean06 | I'm planning on waiting for GTA02 but I have to say with all due respect I've not got great faith in "expected" dates... I believe GTA01 was pushed back quite a bit (though it's possible the bug in the process have been fixed too) |
| 17:10.21 | mjr | yes it was |
| 17:11.14 | mjr | and it makes it easier for me to say "wait" that I already got the 01 :] |
| 17:11.51 | mjr | anyway, I _would_ hazard that it'd be somewhat usable at 02 launch for the hc geek |
| 17:12.25 | kdean06 | Yeah. I'm torn. :) Moko is a helluva geeky "toy" that can also pass muster with my wife as "needed". |
| 17:12.57 | abraxa_ | kdean06: You can go for a GTA02. By the time it'll be available the basic functionality will be stable. |
| 17:13.01 | jadams_ | I didn't realize the gprs multiplexing wasn't working yet |
| 17:13.12 | jadams_ | I have to have phone + internet simultaneously |
| 17:13.20 | mjr | jadams_, the issue was afaik rather "existing" than "working" ;P |
| 17:13.21 | josch | NineX, wesnoth for everyone!! http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/wesnoth/ |
| 17:13.26 | kdean06 | edistar, Your 4/5 month estimate, was that including semi-stable SMS or just make/receive calls? |
| 17:13.47 | edistar | kdean06: that was including SMS |
| 17:13.49 | kdean06 | Wesnoth on your phone... |
| 17:13.52 | kdean06 | Wow. :) |
| 17:13.56 | kdean06 | +1 |
| 17:14.07 | jadams_ | mjr, fair :) |
| 17:14.13 | NineX | josch: thx |
| 17:14.17 | abraxa_ | edistar: How do you figure 4/5 months? The SMS app is making significant progress. |
| 17:14.23 | NineX | josch++ |
| 17:14.27 | NineX | .ws 12 |
| 17:14.58 | edistar | abraxa_: it needs to be stable, and I think bugs will only be found once more people (ie when the GTA will be sold) get to use it.. and then it'll take time to debug etc |
| 17:15.01 | mjr | yeah, if we're talking _semi_-stable, as kdean06 said, I would expect us to be there this year :] |
| 17:15.24 | abraxa_ | edistar: Yes, but GTA01 owners will do just that. |
| 17:15.35 | edistar | abraxa_: ah, didn't think of that :P |
| 17:15.35 | Ghiottone|work | jadams_ to install ipkgs on the SD card you have to edit /etc/ipkg.conf and add a "card" destination. then install the ipkg-utils package |
| 17:15.46 | edistar | abraxa_: do you think the sms app will be stable soon? |
| 17:15.50 | Ghiottone|work | jadams_ after that you can install -d card <packagename> |
| 17:16.00 | kdean06 | I can handle bugs, it's an area of "development" I'm comfortable dealing with until I get more coding experience. |
| 17:16.03 | abraxa_ | edistar: I personally would say that it'll be within a month |
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| 17:16.15 | mjr | abraxa_, so "this year" then :) |
| 17:16.30 | abraxa_ | mjr: From the software side, yeah |
| 17:16.48 | abraxa_ | Just GTA02 won't be around by then |
| 17:16.48 | mjr | indeed, was just pointing out our estimates to pretty much match |
| 17:16.48 | jadams_ | Ghiottone|work, awesome, thanks |
| 17:17.27 | kdean06 | abraxa_, The topic says not to ask about GTA02, so let me phrase this differntly so as to not break the rules. :) Do you think basic functionality will exist on GTA01 prior to GTA02 launch? And if you give semi-stable functionality a rate of "this year" do you think that GTA02 will realistically not happen this year? |
| 17:17.46 | mjr | I think he already answered that |
| 17:17.57 | kdean06 | I was typing while he did. :P I still look down. :) |
| 17:18.00 | mjr | software "within month", GTA02 "not around by then"; that'd be my estimate too |
| 17:18.06 | kdean06 | Okay. |
| 17:18.07 | abraxa_ | Yup :) |
| 17:18.08 | kdean06 | Hrm.. |
| 17:18.32 | jadams_ | josch, you have the wesnoth ipkg somewhere? |
| 17:18.33 | mjr | I wouldn't guestimate GTA02 to necessarily take very long after that, but that's just guessing for me... |
| 17:18.41 | jadams_ | I'll install it on the sd now that Ghiottone|work helped with that |
| 17:18.51 | josch | jadams_, http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/wesnoth/ |
| 17:19.18 | josch | jadams_, there are also ipks for sdl |
| 17:20.15 | jadams_ | josch, thanks, I'll get to it :) |
| 17:20.34 | jadams_ | still no GPS goodness, but it found five satellites. I'll take it driving later to see if it does better |
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| 17:29.07 | jadams_ | josch, does wesnoth add a menu entry? |
| 17:29.46 | CIA-14 | 03mickey * r3532 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/ (6 files in 2 dirs): |
| 17:29.46 | CIA-14 | neod: |
| 17:29.46 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.46 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.54 | josch | jadams_, yes it does |
| 17:30.04 | jadams_ | josch, awesome, installing it right now |
| 17:30.28 | josch | jadams_, do not forget to swap orientation before playing or it will default to 320x240 |
| 17:30.35 | jadams_ | kk |
| 17:31.07 | josch | I played four games only with touchscreen - it's awesome |
| 17:31.18 | josch | but you have to wait a lot on loading |
| 17:31.29 | josch | this will be fixed in later wesnoth versions |
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| 17:32.12 | torpor | yo |
| 17:33.01 | torpor | josch: why is the load so slow? |
| 17:33.17 | josch | the first time load is hell of slow |
| 17:33.25 | josch | will get faster on subsequrent loads |
| 17:33.39 | josch | and will run like hell with a special switch enabled |
| 17:34.07 | CM | josch: Does it install in /media/card or something? |
| 17:34.07 | josch | --validcache |
| 17:34.14 | CM | Also, did you get the sound working? :) |
| 17:34.16 | josch | CM, not by default |
| 17:34.25 | josch | CM, yeah sound works now! |
| 17:34.26 | CM | Ok, but 87.4 mb? |
| 17:34.40 | josch | CM, actually more than that 88MB compressed |
| 17:34.48 | CM | hehe, ok |
| 17:35.17 | torpor | can someone say why a daemon has .png's in it .. |
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| 17:35.25 | kristian-m | re |
| 17:35.32 | josch | 126MB installed |
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| 17:36.47 | torpor | U trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/data/north.png |
| 17:36.58 | torpor | please don't tell me neod has a gui.. |
| 17:37.05 | CM | torpor: It's for the locking |
| 17:37.13 | CM | borg_'s screen lock ;) |
| 17:37.15 | torpor | meh |
| 17:37.19 | torpor | in a daemon |
| 17:37.30 | torpor | that is busted. |
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| 17:37.47 | abraxa_ | torpor: neod is a collection of hacks and will go when the replacements are there - so nothing to worry about really |
| 17:38.10 | torpor | "will go" 'replacements' = LOZL |
| 17:38.14 | torpor | sure sure. |
| 17:38.17 | CM | Hehe |
| 17:38.31 | torpor | don't worry, i think its cute that nobody wants to do things properly the first time. |
| 17:39.12 | abraxa_ | It's not that, torpor. |
| 17:39.17 | torpor | c'mon, it is. |
| 17:39.25 | CM | torpor: I guess a lot of things have been done in a hurry, and once everyone involved knows more about problems it's easier to make someting "right" |
| 17:39.32 | torpor | why can't neod just be a daemon, and someone write a nice mokogui to communicate to it? |
| 17:39.53 | torpor | whatever, i'm not complaining, like i said: its cute. |
| 17:40.00 | CM | Hehe |
| 17:40.02 | torpor | please take the voice out of your head. |
| 17:40.36 | tonyg | Trouble in compiling xrender: http://celpaste.morb-design.com/pastebin.php?show=d203cf41d |
| 17:41.22 | CM | tonyg: I compiled it a few hours ago, but I can try a sync and rebuild to see if I get the same problem |
| 17:42.03 | tonyg | CM, that'd be cool, thanks |
| 17:42.20 | tonyg | I'm using mokomakefile. I ran "make update-makefile && make setup update openmoko-devel-image" this morning |
| 17:42.23 | tonyg | it's been broken since |
| 17:42.38 | tonyg | I've been trying "make update openmoko-devel-image" sporadically, no changes yet |
| 17:42.56 | torpor | i did that this morning too and it was borked so i swapped back to the older from yesterday way of doing things and finished a clean build. |
| 17:43.27 | tonyg | is that the older way of doing things, or an older snapshot of the tree? |
| 17:44.05 | torpor | you see this morning i tried to swap monotone servers and all that (per the msg to the list) and that turned out to be borked, so i went back to my mokomakefile from yesterday and tis all smooth .. |
| 17:44.08 | tonyg | (btw the 21 Nov rootfs on buildhost.openmoko.org is broken, start-stop-daemon is a directory (!)) |
| 17:44.15 | torpor | but i just did a sync and am doing a build so i'll let you know how it goes .. |
| 17:44.18 | tonyg | aha, I see |
| 17:44.29 | tonyg | thank you |
| 17:44.52 | torpor | can build my app just fine though, doing a 'make all' as well just for grins (i like to watch) |
| 17:45.10 | tonyg | :) |
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| 17:49.50 | NineX | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD <- one information is missing (fstab need to be changed) |
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| 17:51.58 | torpor | NineX: true |
| 17:52.03 | torpor | <--booting from SD here. |
| 17:52.58 | NineX | i will boot from sd too there is batter to destroy sd card than nand flash - sd card can be replaced, but i dont have special hardware to replace nandflash |
| 17:53.25 | NineX | /s/dont/don't/ |
| 17:54.07 | CM | tonyg: Btw, if you updated your makefile this morning some things might be broken. Has been fixed since, try a make update-makefile;make update |
| 17:54.21 | CM | It's still building for me.. |
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| 17:56.07 | PBeck | hi |
| 17:56.18 | mjr | beep |
| 17:56.44 | mjr | hmm, now that I can get gps traces, wonder how that osm participation went |
| 17:58.03 | NineX | so gps is workin on open moko (neo) or not? |
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| 17:59.34 | hon | Does openmoko use X or it's too heavy? |
| 17:59.35 | torpor | its working |
| 17:59.39 | mjr | hon, yes |
| 17:59.42 | mjr | (uses) |
| 17:59.44 | torpor | but there's still work to be done to make it "Just Work" |
| 18:00.10 | hon | mjr: the regular X (e.g. 7.3) or its significantly lighter? |
| 18:00.28 | mjr | NineX, it works. The gllin package is in limited testing, hopefully will be available to all gta01 users soon |
| 18:00.37 | mjr | hon, kdrive |
| 18:01.00 | NineX | mjr: i hope so |
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| 18:02.06 | xcasex | so err.. what would the transit time for a ups package to eu be? |
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| 18:02.43 | hon | mjr: with linux framebuffer as output? |
| 18:03.31 | mjr | hon, yes |
| 18:03.39 | mjr | for gta02 there will be some acceleration support |
| 18:03.50 | hon | mjr: thanks a lot |
| 18:04.02 | mjr | not known what or how much, depends what they have time to do |
| 18:04.08 | hon | mjr: does linux framebuffer allow acceleration? |
| 18:04.53 | mjr | I'm not aware of how they're doing the acceleration bits |
| 18:05.07 | mjr | raster would probably know |
| 18:05.26 | mjr | all that |
| 18:05.34 | abraxa_ | hon: The framebuffer doesn't, no - an X driver however can (and will) |
| 18:05.36 | anrp | gllin, Real Soon Now(tm) |
| 18:05.45 | mjr | 's pretty internal for now, though, what with no applicable hardware outside OM |
| 18:05.48 | hon | thanks |
| 18:06.04 | anrp | the gta01 display drive is really dumb |
| 18:06.05 | kdean06 | lol |
| 18:06.17 | mjr | yes, the 01 is |
| 18:06.19 | anrp | you could use gpdma to accelerate a little bit in very limited circumstances .. maybe .. |
| 18:06.50 | NineX | hm someone tried to turn on gta01 without battery only connected into computer via usb? |
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| 18:07.00 | mjr | NineX, won't work |
| 18:07.06 | anrp | NineX: that's a way to get the hardware to emit a ... very sad sounding whine |
| 18:07.29 | NineX | why? |
| 18:07.37 | torpor | i love that sound. |
| 18:08.00 | anrp | its not designed to run with no battery |
| 18:08.16 | anrp | so its set up such that usb charges the battery, and all the drains are connected to the battery |
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| 18:08.27 | NineX | anrp: and is not designed to work for longer time without computer /charger |
| 18:08.29 | anrp | without the battery (read: huge capacitor) all sorts of strange things happen |
| 18:09.25 | NineX | i thinkink about tre charge openmoko with charger from my motorolla cellphone |
| 18:10.12 | anrp | that might work .. i don't know the details of the motorola connector |
| 18:10.41 | NineX | anrp: usb |
| 18:10.58 | roh | the motorola charger will only get you 100mA charging since it does not speak usb and we do not (yet) measure the resistor on th eid-pin (the 5th pin on the mini-usb) |
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| 18:14.16 | mjr | see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_USB_host bottom on forcing Neo into fast charge mode |
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| 18:15.34 | tonyg | CM, thanks for the tip, I'm trying that now |
| 18:16.06 | CM | tonyg: My build just finished, no error |
| 18:16.18 | tonyg | ok. hopefully this update-makefile will work. |
| 18:16.35 | hon | I am interested in multiple-user-input interactions (multi-touch interation being an obvious example). Which parts of the system should I study? (X server? gtk+ libs? kernel modules?) |
| 18:17.01 | tonyg | svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.berlios.de': Connection refused |
| 18:17.13 | anrp | the resistive touch screen's going to present a reasonably large problem to reading multiple pressure points .. |
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| 18:18.11 | tonyg | retrying now :) |
| 18:18.48 | mjr | Yeah; the screen isn't multitouch. You can try to kludge around that by detecting what looks like a fast move and extrapolating, but... dirty |
| 18:18.48 | tonyg | still connection refused... |
| 18:20.29 | tonyg | bbl. |
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| 18:25.30 | kdean06 | I'm using one of the qemu-neo1973 images (built a few minutes ago) and the keypads are wonky. Certain keypresses register, some don't and some actually delete the character. Is this code issues or emulation problems? |
| 18:26.01 | kdean06 | The dialer and calculator, for instance. |
| 18:26.08 | josch | kdean06, never had this issue on my real neo |
| 18:26.20 | kdean06 | And the keypresses register as fast as you hit them? |
| 18:26.28 | josch | nearly |
| 18:26.32 | kdean06 | Okay, cool. :) |
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| 18:39.19 | torpor | build finished here too, nice and clean |
| 18:39.40 | torpor | kdean06: calibrate your screen. |
| 18:39.46 | torpor | i think people forget to do that. |
| 18:40.00 | Ebbe | torpor: How do you calibrate it? |
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| 18:41.47 | kdean06 | toer_, IS this the most relevant document? http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2007/08/calibrating-openmoko-v20072.html |
| 18:41.56 | kdean06 | Sorry, torpor ^ |
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| 18:43.18 | kdean06 | How do I run the script? I don't seem to have a terminal. |
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| 18:45.31 | SpeedEvil | you can't ssh into the phone kde? |
| 18:45.52 | Mononoke | http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/11/28/sony-violating-gpl |
| 18:46.05 | Mononoke | ow, wrong channel |
| 18:46.29 | kdean06 | I hadn't thought about that. :P |
| 18:46.51 | hon | is there somewhere I can get Mike's interview on linux link tech show, hopefully in text? |
| 18:47.01 | kdean06 | Crap... How do I find out the IP address of this thing. :P |
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| 18:47.10 | torpor | kdean06: ssh to phone, fix it from there. |
| 18:50.52 | kdean06 | Oh! I found the terminal. :P Neat. |
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| 19:03.52 | kdean06 | This is very cool. Much more works right now than I got the impression from discussion... |
| 19:04.11 | webjames | kdean06, have you got a phone? |
| 19:04.14 | kdean06 | No. |
| 19:04.20 | webjames | qemu? |
| 19:04.22 | kdean06 | I'm using a qemu image |
| 19:05.04 | webjames | have you managed to network it? |
| 19:05.18 | kdean06 | Qemu networking is living proof that IPv6 is crucial. |
| 19:05.22 | kdean06 | So no. :P |
| 19:05.39 | webjames | what do you mean? |
| 19:06.12 | kdean06 | Wait... Perhaps we're not speaking the same language. :P |
| 19:06.21 | kdean06 | What do you mean by "network it" ? |
| 19:07.21 | blinx | thomasg: ping |
| 19:09.50 | kdean06 | Oh... Okay, I'm seeing a few different ways to netowrking it... No, I've not done that. |
| 19:10.06 | loufoque | does the Neo 1973 CPU have an MMU? |
| 19:10.28 | thomasg | blinx: pong |
| 19:10.28 | mjr | yes |
| 19:10.52 | kdean06 | Okay... I was hesitant to hold of on the neo for GTA02... Does anyone who has a GTA01 think there are features in GTA02 you'd miss? |
| 19:10.57 | SpeedEvil | wifi |
| 19:10.59 | SpeedEvil | basically |
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| 19:12.16 | roh | hm.. where are the metalab-guys ;) |
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| 19:14.01 | drath | twice the mhz certainly wont hurt |
| 19:14.10 | mjr | indeed it won't |
| 19:14.35 | drath | same with the gfx accelerator |
| 19:15.00 | kdean06 | You guys have collectively hit every difference. :P |
| 19:15.05 | mjr | since I do plan on using mine for playing the occasional video |
| 19:15.05 | CM | roh: Quick question, if I have the debug board and neo connected with the jtag, is it just to plug in the usb into the board? |
| 19:15.11 | kdean06 | So I guess waiting makes the most sense... Damn. :( |
| 19:15.12 | mjr | kdean06, not yet :] |
| 19:15.54 | kdean06 | I'll stick to Qemu for now then and play around with stuff, it's probably good practice anyway. :) |
| 19:16.25 | drath | CM: you have to power the phone, too |
| 19:17.07 | CM | ok |
| 19:17.27 | CM | Damn, don't have ftdi_sio compiled for my kernel.. |
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| 19:18.17 | roh | CM just usb? the neo needs a battery and usb also |
| 19:18.36 | CM | Ok :) |
| 19:18.39 | roh | the debugboard does usb to jtag and serial. it also has a usb-hub |
| 19:18.58 | roh | but the neo does not get fed via that line, so it needs the battery and power as usual |
| 19:19.12 | CM | Can it get the power from the debugboard hub? |
| 19:19.38 | roh | it should, but that depends on the behaviour of software |
| 19:19.54 | CM | Ok. Need to recompile my kernel first anyway.. :-/ |
| 19:19.57 | drath | CM: you don't need ftdi_sio for jtag, only for serial |
| 19:20.03 | CM | Ah, ok |
| 19:20.04 | mmontour | CM: I had better luck plugging the Neo directly into my PC, not using the debug-board hub |
| 19:20.08 | roh | meaning: i never use that hub, i alsways connect the neo and the debugboard to different usbpoerts on my notebook (one left, one right) |
| 19:20.21 | CM | Ok, thanks for the hints |
| 19:20.31 | roh | especially the debugboard v2 has power-problems (which was the biggest reason for V3) |
| 19:20.56 | roh | the caps are too big -> too much current and reset-fail |
| 19:22.14 | roh | tape? |
| 19:22.52 | roh | i let the board in the case, just pull the front cover away and pull the gps antenna out, then connect the debugboard. that way the battery can still be used as normal |
| 19:23.12 | CM | I couldn't resist picking it apart completely.. ;) |
| 19:23.20 | CM | Guess I can put the board back though :-) |
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| 19:33.32 | torpor | yo |
| 19:34.04 | anrp | D:? |
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| 19:59.20 | CIA-14 | 03sameo * r3533 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-atheros/ (6 files): |
| 19:59.20 | CIA-14 | ar6k-atheros: First usable 802.11 driver for GTA02 |
| 19:59.20 | CIA-14 | We can now associate, scan, and send/receive TCP/IP frames. |
| 20:00.23 | anrp | D:! |
| 20:00.49 | abraxa_ | sameo: Now is that good news or what? =) |
| 20:01.10 | mjr | yay |
| 20:01.31 | CM | ~cheer |
| 20:01.31 | apt | shift to the left, unshift to the right, push down, pop up, byte byte byte. |
| 20:01.34 | borg_ | associate + scan + send/receive sounds pretty good |
| 20:01.38 | sameo | abraxa_: see http://pastebin.com/d10191a01 |
| 20:01.55 | borg_ | :)) |
| 20:01.59 | abraxa_ | Good job, dude! |
| 20:02.39 | sameo | it's slow as hell, but I'll work on that too. |
| 20:03.17 | abraxa_ | That's fine, at least GTA02 can be properly tested for design flaws now, meaning that it's inching closer and closer :) |
| 20:03.34 | sameo | abraxa_: yeah, that was the main goal. |
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| 20:36.31 | edistar | NineX: you had this website with funny pics on it... what was the link again? |
| 20:38.00 | mjr | righto, Michael just announced the gllin package to the wider audience of the community list |
| 20:38.09 | mjr | eexcellent |
| 20:38.24 | mjr | now, get developing those GPS apps! |
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| 20:39.48 | edistar | navit etc... ;) |
| 20:40.16 | Obri | cool |
| 20:41.29 | roh | everyone seated firmly? |
| 20:41.40 | anrp | finally we can be legal |
| 20:41.44 | anrp | ... |
| 20:41.45 | josch | wooooo!!! |
| 20:42.06 | josch | url or it didn't happen! |
| 20:42.13 | balrog-kun | now get REing the protocol! |
| 20:42.17 | Obri | http://3rdparty.downloads.openmoko.org |
| 20:42.18 | edistar | how can I tell apt to give a round of beer? |
| 20:42.27 | roh | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-November/011916.html |
| 20:42.48 | balrog-kun | ~beer |
| 20:42.48 | apt | ACTION has disconnected (Read error: 99 (Connection reset by beer)) |
| 20:42.51 | josch | what happens if I just visit http://3rdparty.downloads.openmoko.org/gllin/download/?Accept=Accept ? |
| 20:42.56 | balrog-kun | that's not it :P |
| 20:43.01 | edistar | balrog-kun: well... |
| 20:43.06 | edistar | ~beer seems to not work |
| 20:43.07 | apt | ACTION pours a quart of Guinness for seems to not work |
| 20:43.10 | edistar | heh |
| 20:43.13 | edistar | ~beer for all! |
| 20:43.14 | apt | ACTION pulls out a excellent Guinness for for all! |
| 20:43.20 | edistar | ~beer all! |
| 20:43.21 | apt | ACTION pours a litre of Franziskaner Hefeweizen for all! |
| 20:43.27 | edistar | hehe, thats good beer :) |
| 20:43.36 | josch | yeah!! party! |
| 20:44.55 | Mononoke | stay away from me with Guinness :S |
| 20:45.01 | mjr | ok, STOP:ing and CONT:ing gllin seems to work (though I'm not in a position to take a fix now) |
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| 20:46.26 | mmontour | ~beer OpenMoko for finally releasing this |
| 20:46.26 | apt | ACTION pours a quart of Dogfishhead 90min IPA for OpenMoko for finally releasing this |
| 20:46.37 | mmontour | ~fish the lawyers for making it take so long |
| 20:46.38 | apt | ACTION slaps the lawyers for making it take so long around with a large trout |
| 20:46.42 | abraxa_ | lol |
| 20:46.47 | josch | :-D |
| 20:46.53 | ewon | shit, they released gllin? |
| 20:47.00 | josch | hell yeah! |
| 20:47.08 | josch | http://3rdparty.downloads.openmoko.org/gllin/download/?Accept=Accept |
| 20:47.30 | josch | ah |
| 20:47.36 | josch | sry for posting this url |
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| 20:47.45 | josch | it's obviously wrong |
| 20:47.54 | anrp | what if I keep using the quasi-released version? what then? :o |
| 20:47.56 | josch | this is the right one: http://3rdparty.downloads.openmoko.org/gllin/download/gllin_1.0+r350-r0_fic-gta01.ipk |
| 20:48.06 | kdean06 | mmm beer. |
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| 20:50.22 | anrp | lol, free chroot fs included |
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| 20:52.17 | anrp | ... binary is exactly the same as the one released "accidentally" way back in the beginning |
| 20:52.22 | anrp | not eabi :/ |
| 20:53.01 | alphaone | anrp: But with wrapper around it... |
| 20:53.21 | anrp | yay bash D: |
| 20:53.49 | kdean06 | Dare I ask why this is signifigant? |
| 20:53.51 | anrp | cat /tmp/nmeaNP |gzip >> /home/root/gps.gz & |
| 20:53.53 | anrp | ?? |
| 20:53.57 | anrp | that's kind of strange |
| 20:54.11 | anrp | zomg, om is trying to spy on us D: |
| 20:54.28 | anrp | kdean06: its significant because the hardware has been otherwise useless without this bit o' software |
| 20:54.32 | anrp | gps hardware |
| 20:54.47 | kdean06 | Oh, this is the gps thingy... |
| 20:54.54 | kdean06 | Damn US laws. |
| 20:55.08 | anrp | they'd rather stay out of potential jail :s |
| 20:55.09 | SpeedEvil | It's nothing to so with US laws. |
| 20:55.24 | kdean06 | I understand totally. |
| 20:55.28 | SpeedEvil | It's to do with someone at openmoko/FIC not pushing hard enough for it to happen. |
| 20:55.32 | kdean06 | SpeedEvil, Seperate issues? |
| 20:55.37 | anrp | mm |
| 20:55.40 | kdean06 | Ah. |
| 20:55.50 | SpeedEvil | it's a licensing issue for releasing the GPS binary |
| 20:56.10 | kdean06 | Right, because the source can't be released, no? |
| 20:56.16 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 20:56.27 | anrp | that's true but peripheral to the issue |
| 20:56.29 | SpeedEvil | because the lawyers won't sign off on releasing the binary |
| 20:56.31 | anrp | it wasn't om's to begin with |
| 20:56.39 | SpeedEvil | there is as far as we understand it no hop of getting source. |
| 20:57.07 | SpeedEvil | (well, pay me and several others $fewK to develop it, and you might, but other than that, ...) |
| 20:57.07 | kdean06 | I vagely recall reading that the gps wasn't going to be fully Free Software anyway, so I kind of wrote it off mentally. |
| 20:57.37 | SpeedEvil | practically - you can put it in a chroot only allowed to access the GPS hardware if you're feeling paranoid |
| 20:58.04 | SpeedEvil | so all it can do is deliver GPS positions, and not do anything else. |
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| 20:59.48 | kdean06 | My insistance on Free Software is a little different than that, but that does seem like a smart thing to do. :P |
| 21:00.12 | johnathon11 | hello, i have some newbi questions |
| 21:00.37 | edistar | johnathon11: just ask : |
| 21:00.38 | edistar | :) |
| 21:00.54 | johnathon11 | i am having trouble compiling dfu-util...any help :) |
| 21:02.26 | kdean06 | Can you be a bit more specific? perhaps error messages or symptoms? |
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| 21:21.34 | anrp | ... silence ... |
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| 21:26.28 | moko-bunny | w00t! another happily functioning GPS here :) |
| 21:26.43 | roh | anrp everybody hacking |
| 21:26.45 | roh | ;) |
| 21:27.30 | moko-bunny | did someone have the gps gui ipk somewhere or should I be patient? |
| 21:27.48 | mjr | hmm, it'd be good if the openmoko platform provided a generic point of interest api in addition to raw locations through gpsd or something |
| 21:28.14 | josch | moko-bunny, ScaredyCat repos |
| 21:28.30 | mjr | such that a program could add, name and tag PoI and request notifications when near some set of them |
| 21:28.35 | moko-bunny | cool, thx! |
| 21:29.15 | mjr | I have a feeling that many apps will be implementing some sort of PoI stuff on their own, would require less work to do it that way |
| 21:29.59 | edistar | mjr: good idea |
| 21:33.12 | NineX | edistar: ??? |
| 21:33.42 | edistar | NineX: I thought you knew a link to a website that had quite funny comics on it.. or was that somebody else here? |
| 21:34.00 | josch | edistar, xkcd.org |
| 21:34.05 | edistar | josch: ok, thx |
| 21:35.09 | borg_ | root@fic-gta01:/tmp$ ipkg install gllin_1.0\+r350-r0_fic-gta01.ipk |
| 21:35.09 | borg_ | ipkg: invalid magic |
| 21:35.11 | borg_ | o_O |
| 21:35.45 | anrp | 2019d71f72faa87501c56d99b470ea62 gll/gllin_1.0+r350-r0_fic-gta01.ipk |
| 21:35.55 | anrp | your md5 the same? |
| 21:36.33 | borg_ | actually it isn't |
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| 21:37.50 | alphaone | borg_: Did you just wget <url>? |
| 21:38.06 | borg_ | no |
| 21:38.09 | alphaone | borg_: You need to accept an EULA first |
| 21:38.12 | borg_ | root@fic-gta01:/tmp$ ipkg install gllin_1.0\+r350-r0_fic-gta01.ipk |
| 21:38.12 | borg_ | Installing gllin (1.0+r350-r0) to root... |
| 21:38.14 | borg_ | wow |
| 21:38.14 | alphaone | hmm, okay |
| 21:38.28 | borg_ | thats the first time in my life, that a scp didn't work well |
| 21:38.45 | alphaone | heh |
| 21:39.05 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: Now you have to explain borg_ the stuff we learned from our mail/dns girlie. :) |
| 21:42.49 | borg_ | and...? :) |
| 21:42.53 | borg_ | what did you learn? |
| 21:44.08 | stefan_schmidt | borg_: She told us that it is pretty normal the "some bits" are not getting transferred correctly when syncing mailfolders from one machine to another. |
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| 21:44.27 | anrp | normal?? |
| 21:44.33 | stefan_schmidt | borg_: Hence our read-flags were missing on the mails. But only the flags. :) |
| 21:44.44 | borg_ | interesting :) |
| 21:45.18 | stefan_schmidt | That's the reason why all my mail gets forwarded instead of stored there. :) |
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| 21:57.51 | kdean06 | Are there going to be any sort of trade-in incentives when the GTA02 hits? |
| 21:58.05 | mjr | no |
| 21:58.14 | mjr | well, presumably not |
| 21:59.12 | mjr | earlier this year they considered giving a discount to gta01 buyers, but decided to bump the gta01 price down $50 instead |
| 22:00.45 | cjb_ie | gta01 could go on to lead a useful second-hand life as openstreetmap mapping gadgets :-) |
| 22:01.39 | edistar | cjb_ie: I wouldn't mind buying a second-hand gta-01 for my dad ;) |
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| 22:02.58 | mjr | yes, that mapping osm bit |
| 22:03.39 | metzenas | btw. maybe someone should change the estimated release month for GTA02 in the topic for february according to the last community update? |
| 22:05.49 | kdean06 | FIC either is stupid or unconcerened... |
| 22:07.14 | kdean06 | If I didn't know about GTA02, I'd have bought a GTA01. I'm holding off now because it's a LOT of money to spend knowing it's already being upgraded. |
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| 22:07.43 | mjr | 01 hasn't for a long time been intended for mass market |
| 22:07.49 | mjr | so "unconcerned" |
| 22:07.54 | kdean06 | No, I understand that. |
| 22:07.56 | edistar | kdean06: and whats the problem for FIC then? |
| 22:08.05 | kdean06 | edistar, I'm sure I'm not alone. |
| 22:08.11 | edistar | kdean06: me too :) |
| 22:08.24 | edistar | kdean06: but I didn't want to buy buggy hardware anyway |
| 22:08.25 | kdean06 | There are people who don't own ANY device, because they're waiting. |
| 22:09.06 | kdean06 | I can skip incrimental upgrades... If it was just a faster processor and more memory... But that actually packs some useful features. |
| 22:09.54 | edistar | kdean06: yes :) |
| 22:10.38 | morricone | kdean06, me too |
| 22:12.34 | metzenas | otherwise GTA01 would be fine for me, but without 3g-support wifi is a must for me so that's why I was waiting for october, then december and now february |
| 22:14.07 | metzenas | I can wait, no problem. I'm just a little worried how the device is going to look in the eye of the masses if it delays too long... |
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| 22:16.30 | kdean06 | I'm the opposite... I think for those who OM appeals, it will be well recieved. But I NEED a phone now. :P If I buy a cheap one that's still more money than I want to waste... I'm so torn. |
| 22:16.49 | kdean06 | Well... |
| 22:17.05 | kdean06 | Hell... I even wonder if there really WILL be a second release. ;P |
| 22:17.34 | edistar | kdean06: heh, good question, write to sean ;) |
| 22:17.58 | borg_ | how long does it take until you get a position the first time with the gps? |
| 22:18.18 | mjr | took maybe 5 minutes for me after getting outside |
| 22:18.26 | anrp | absolute worst case ,assuming you see the sats, should be 10 minutes or so |
| 22:18.30 | anrp | you'll probably see less |
| 22:18.34 | borg_ | mh |
| 22:18.37 | borg_ | 11 minutes now |
| 22:18.41 | anrp | D: |
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| 22:18.57 | josch | borg_, are you really out under clear sky? |
| 22:19.04 | borg_ | when i click on AZ i see some satellites |
| 22:19.12 | borg_ | josch: no |
| 22:19.17 | borg_ | do i really have to? |
| 22:19.27 | josch | borg_, maybe? :-/ |
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| 22:20.10 | mjr | quite possibly yes |
| 22:20.29 | borg_ | but there it is cold |
| 22:20.31 | borg_ | :) |
| 22:20.42 | mjr | you need to see enough sats sufficiently unobscured |
| 22:20.54 | josch | borg_, where are you from? |
| 22:21.06 | borg_ | paderborn |
| 22:21.14 | borg_ | :P |
| 22:21.15 | borg_ | (germany) |
| 22:21.16 | mjr | try putting the phone beside a window for a while? |
| 22:21.17 | josch | rwhitby in australia may have summer now... :-( |
| 22:21.28 | josch | borg_, munich is much colder here ^^ |
| 22:21.44 | borg_ | mh.. now it says 0.46666667 E 0.01666667 N under plot |
| 22:21.46 | edistar | borg_: you have awful beer there! |
| 22:21.53 | borg_ | http://maps.google.de/maps?f=q&hl=de&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=0.46666667+E+0.01666667+N&ie=UTF8&z=17&iwloc=addr&om=1 |
| 22:21.56 | borg_ | haha |
| 22:22.00 | borg_ | edistar: thanks :) |
| 22:22.10 | edistar | borg_: heh ;) |
| 22:22.13 | mjr | you trying to say you're not there? |
| 22:22.20 | josch | borg_, fucked up coordinates? |
| 22:22.40 | borg_ | ok, i will go outside |
| 22:22.41 | borg_ | bbl |
| 22:26.53 | borg_ | http://maps.google.de/maps?f=q&hl=de&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=51.706276+N+8.774230+E&ie=UTF8&ll=51.706276,8.774235&spn=0.008976,0.028667&t=h&z=16&iwloc=addr&om=1 |
| 22:26.57 | borg_ | NICE! |
| 22:26.59 | borg_ | :D |
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| 22:27.33 | borg_ | it points exactly to my aparment |
| 22:27.37 | edistar | nice ;) |
| 22:29.10 | borg_ | to bad that it doesnt work inside |
| 22:29.14 | borg_ | will it work in my car? |
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| 22:29.32 | edistar | borg_: cabrio? |
| 22:30.10 | borg_ | no..... |
| 22:30.14 | borg_ | golf 2 :) |
| 22:30.24 | edistar | just try it :_ |
| 22:30.25 | edistar | :) |
| 22:30.30 | borg_ | of course ;) |
| 22:30.43 | josch | another gps question: where is the gps antenna? |
| 22:30.46 | stefan_schmidt | borg_: Once you have a fix, it could keep working in your car |
| 22:30.51 | josch | which side must look to the sky? |
| 22:31.10 | edistar | josch: I think it's at the top |
| 22:31.15 | borg_ | can i use an external antenna? |
| 22:31.19 | stefan_schmidt | josch: It is at the top |
| 22:31.36 | stefan_schmidt | borg_: Yeah, the connector on the right side is for an external GPS antenna |
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| 22:31.53 | josch | ah great! |
| 22:32.10 | stefan_schmidt | borg_: I have a bluetooth GPS with the same chipset and it works fine in the pocket of my jacket when driving with my car. |
| 22:32.26 | edistar | stefan_schmidt: I suppose it depends on the antenna |
| 22:32.48 | borg_ | stefan_schmidt: ah excelent |
| 22:32.58 | mjr | my first fix came while I was in a bus |
| 22:32.59 | borg_ | i asked me allready for what it is :) |
| 22:33.13 | borg_ | i havent used gps until now ;) |
| 22:33.37 | stefan_schmidt | edistar: Try it. I think it should work after having a fix already. Getting one inside a pocket in a car is another story. |
| 22:33.40 | mjr | a vehicle wouldn't necessarily need an external antenna (though the option is good) |
| 22:34.37 | mjr | reportedly Sean was demoed a fix indoors, though must've been rather good conditions |
| 22:35.00 | mjr | in my home, first floor of an apt. building, facing other such buildings, no fix *sob* |
| 22:35.03 | metzenas | my bluetooth gps keeps the signal very well even under really bad conditions, but if I turn it on while moving, or when there is something blocking part of the sky... it takes forever to get the fix |
| 22:35.43 | stefan_schmidt | metzenas: Same for mine. Getting a fix is the hard part of GPS chips. :) |
| 22:35.44 | edistar | yeah, somehow gps doesn't like being turned on while moving.. |
| 22:36.23 | mjr | I generally like to be stationary (to within several meters) when turned on also |
| 22:37.51 | CoreDump | mjr: lol! good one |
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| 22:48.35 | likesN30 | Hello all |
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| 23:04.22 | likesN30 | Just installed gllin. It works except for a small quirck that got worried a bit |
| 23:04.57 | likesN30 | It first prints out a lot of lines Starting with GPSpwr |
| 23:05.11 | likesN30 | And then suddenly: gllin: early exit(3) in halInit()/681 |
| 23:05.49 | RoboPhred | anyone mind giving help on compiling the openmoko image? |
| 23:06.25 | edistar | RoboPhred: look in the wiki, the mokomakefile is a huge help |
| 23:06.36 | edistar | RoboPhred: make openmoko-devel-image |
| 23:06.40 | RoboPhred | I am getting a checksum mismatch, says nothing about it |
| 23:06.44 | RoboPhred | google turns no results |
| 23:06.47 | RoboPhred | yep, what I have been doing |
| 23:06.51 | edistar | oh |
| 23:07.20 | RoboPhred | "Checksum of 'http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/individual/lib/libSM-1.0.3.tar.bz2' failed" |
| 23:07.29 | *** part/#openmoko edistar (n=edistar@ip503ddd09.speed.planet.nl) |
| 23:08.42 | RoboPhred | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.17 | RoboPhred | grr, never got the hang of irc |
| 23:09.40 | likesN30 | RoboPhred: was the file completely read in? |
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| 23:10.11 | likesN30 | I mean, no errors on download? |
| 23:10.12 | RoboPhred | it gets a file, but apparently its corrupt or somthing similar |
| 23:10.16 | RoboPhred | not that it shows |
| 23:10.33 | RoboPhred | yep, claims its good |
| 23:10.40 | RoboPhred | just has the checksum as different |
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| 23:12.03 | RoboPhred | can someone run that part to confirm that the xorg site is good? |
| 23:12.50 | CoreDump | 184cbf502b3cd5d7ba5f9d1290a99606 libSM-1.0.3.tar.bz2 |
| 23:12.57 | CoreDump | 57f42d3557effe452cd348362977ff90fa61009885c23b3aca8cb0219b5dec04 libSM-1.0.3.tar.bz2 |
| 23:13.07 | CoreDump | md5 + sha256 |
| 23:13.15 | RoboPhred | "NOTE: The MD5Sums did not match. Wanted: '184cbf502b3cd5d7ba5f9d1290a99606' and Got: 'e3cc2e547afa92ac93236fb5a7e808c1'" |
| 23:13.26 | RoboPhred | hm |
| 23:14.08 | CoreDump | your d/l is damaged then |
| 23:14.16 | RoboPhred | gives me this every time |
| 23:14.23 | CoreDump | rm sources/libSM* |
| 23:14.24 | RoboPhred | tried replacing makefile and all the lot |
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| 23:15.17 | RoboPhred | also a side note, how would I get psyco-python on ubuntu |
| 23:15.26 | RoboPhred | apt-get claims it sees it but there are no sources for it |
| 23:16.14 | mmontour | Try "python-psyco" |
| 23:17.02 | RoboPhred | nope, "no install canidite" |
| 23:17.09 | RoboPhred | candidate* |
| 23:19.13 | likesN30 | Regarding the libSM issue: can you untar it correctly? Then there sure is something wrong with the calculation of the checksum |
| 23:19.32 | RoboPhred | I think the rm resolved it, its continueing to compile other stuff now |
| 23:19.57 | Writchie | so does release of an OABI GLIN mean we will never have an EABI version? |
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| 23:20.13 | CM | I suspect so, for gta01.. |
| 23:20.23 | likesN30 | Going to sleep now. Bye all |
| 23:21.13 | Writchie | well I guess its better than no gps at all. |
| 23:21.31 | RoboPhred | OABI/EABI? |
| 23:21.47 | balrog-kun | someone should wrap it in a single binary with something that converts the calls |
| 23:22.00 | CM | balrog-kun: Ghiottone is working on that |
| 23:22.09 | balrog-kun | CM: oh cool |
| 23:22.12 | RoboPhred | most google says about those terms is somthing to do with the kernal, can someone define them? |
| 23:22.13 | CM | Together with the author of statifier |
| 23:22.24 | Writchie | that would be good instead of carrying all the baggage |
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| 23:22.44 | CM | Haven't heard from him in a while, so I'm not sure how it's going |
| 23:22.51 | balrog-kun | i just thought it might be a nice hack to make a generic programs that translates calls between ABIs and wraps binaries |
| 23:22.53 | Writchie | RoboPhred: ARM systems have old and new Application Binary Interfaces. |
| 23:23.09 | CM | balrog-kun: That would be really cool |
| 23:23.17 | RoboPhred | thanks |
| 23:23.17 | CM | btw, that's not what Ghiottone is doing |
| 23:23.23 | Writchie | OM2007.1 uses the old OABI and OM2007.2 uses the newer one. |
| 23:23.24 | balrog-kun | ok :) |
| 23:23.35 | stefan_schmidt | Night folks. Have fun with your GPS. |
| 23:23.42 | CM | They were trying to package all necessary libs and the gllin inside a single blob |
| 23:23.51 | CM | No chroot or so |
| 23:24.41 | balrog-kun | if you converted all of the calls you wouldn't need any libs |
| 23:24.48 | balrog-kun | any OABI libs i mean |
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| 23:25.10 | CM | True, would be a very neat hack :) |
| 23:25.22 | Writchie | I though they had the sources |
| 23:25.36 | balrog-kun | i wonder if valgrind code could be used for that easily |
| 23:25.44 | balrog-kun | or maybe qemu |
| 23:25.49 | RoboPhred | just saw the libSM flicker by, looks like its good, thanks lot |
| 23:25.58 | zilux` | RoboPhred: python-psyco is in the universe repository |
| 23:26.15 | RoboPhred | I saw, but couldnt find out how to add it |
| 23:26.28 | RoboPhred | tried downloading it from the ubuntu site, but the installer py failed |
| 23:26.50 | zilux` | on gutsy? |
| 23:26.57 | RoboPhred | yep |
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| 23:30.04 | RoboPhred | odd... according to my sources.lst, the universe repository is in |
| 23:31.01 | RoboPhred | gotta go, will return later |
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| 23:33.20 | rwhitby | josch: re summer in Australia - it's 33C today. |
| 23:33.41 | josch | rwhitby, ah... lucky rwhitby :-D |
| 23:34.11 | josch | 2.1°C... |
| 23:34.38 | Writchie | 27C and its winter ;) |
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| 23:40.49 | tonarp | could someone explain me this channel what are you talking about ? |
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| 23:41.41 | abraxa_ | tonarp: Just like on any IRC channel: girls, drugs and rock'n'roll :) |
| 23:41.53 | abraxa_ | (oh, and computers every now and then) |
| 23:42.00 | josch | abraxa_, don't forget th... ah yes |
| 23:42.16 | tonarp | ok funny |
| 23:42.53 | josch | tonarp, yeah just today was a big gllin party here |
| 23:43.05 | josch | everybody drinking and having fun - great times! |
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| 23:44.59 | RoboPhred | well, that was a good use of my asian history class |
| 23:45.19 | RoboPhred | entire time trying to get it to compile, didnt hear a word of the lecture |
| 23:45.25 | abraxa_ | lol |
| 23:45.50 | josch | doesn't it compile without you watching it shifting bytes around? |
| 23:46.03 | RoboPhred | there was a checksum error I was fiddling with |
| 23:46.10 | mjr | And apparently gpsd eats gllin's output. Maybe. |
| 23:46.10 | josch | :-D |
| 23:46.31 | RoboPhred | anyway, I like watching it shift bytes around >.> |
| 23:46.51 | josch | RoboPhred, who doesn't? :-) |
| 23:47.24 | RoboPhred | I am hoping I can start making software for this thing, at least I can try to recognise some names in this endless stream of packages |
| 23:50.08 | tonarp | how can i develop apps for openmoko.prg |
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| 23:51.49 | josch | tonarp, depends on the kind of app but mostly the same way you do for your local linux system |
| 23:52.14 | RoboPhred | step 1 is messing with the makefile, compile takes ages |
| 23:52.19 | josch | GUI is gtk and the program logic can be done in c or some scripting language like python |
| 23:53.05 | josch | tonarp, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course |
| 23:53.05 | RoboPhred | once I get this thing all downloaded, I am going to try my hand at fixing the bug I submitted on that bridges game |
| 23:55.41 | RoboPhred | hm, does "make qemu" just download the premade images? |
| 23:55.50 | RoboPhred | for the openmoko part? |
| 23:56.30 | balrog-kun | that and build the emulator i think |
| 23:56.39 | RoboPhred | ok, thought so |
| 23:57.01 | RoboPhred | anyone got gadgetfs working? |
| 23:57.17 | balrog-kun | yes |
| 23:57.38 | RoboPhred | ubuntu claims its installed, I see it listed under /proc/filesystems or suchlike, but mounting it complains unknown fs gadgetfs |
| 23:57.57 | RoboPhred | followed the wiki instructions under the qemu info |
| 23:58.11 | balrog-kun | hmmm |
| 23:58.31 | balrog-kun | does the message from mount say something like "unknown fs or bad superblock or something else.."? |
| 23:58.40 | RoboPhred | unknown fs |
| 23:58.50 | RoboPhred | hold on, I will get it running again to get it to the letter |
| 23:59.07 | balrog-kun | strange, if it's in /proc/filesystems mount shouldn't say that |
| 23:59.33 | RoboPhred | woa, this is... weird |
| 23:59.39 | RoboPhred | run-qemu is failing now |
| 23:59.59 | balrog-kun | did make qemu finish? |
