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| 00:21.22 | josch | what could be the right configure option for an app to cross compile on a openembedded overlay? |
| 00:21.37 | josch | I tried armv4t as the host machine |
| 00:22.19 | josch | but I get checking host system type... Invalid configuration `armv4t': machine `armv4t' not recognized |
| 00:25.44 | josch | it is armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi |
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| 01:54.50 | CIA-14 | 03werner * r3523 10/developers/werner/neocon/ (README neocon.c): |
| 01:54.51 | CIA-14 | neocon.c (main): added "b:" (for the bps option) to "getopt" |
| 01:54.51 | CIA-14 | neocon.c (copy, usage, main), README: added option "-t delay_ms" to throttle |
| 01:54.51 | CIA-14 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:50.49 | hozer | what is the status of GPRS? is it still use manuall stuff if you want it? |
| 02:51.11 | hozer | (I guess what I mean is, does gsmd understand gprs connections yet) |
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| 02:54.33 | balrog | hozer: no, it doesn't |
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| 03:38.47 | hozer | hrrm |
| 03:38.55 | hozer | I am having issues with the gprs manual connect.. |
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| 03:45.08 | hozer | it used to work.. |
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| 04:10.45 | xzcvczx | nnpiggy: you are a god :P |
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| 05:47.30 | NineX | jousto1: hi |
| 05:47.40 | jousto1 | NineX: Hi |
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| 05:49.42 | gusjdt | hey guys, anyone here? |
| 05:49.51 | NineX | gusjdt: mornin |
| 05:51.24 | gusjdt | just sent ya a PM |
| 05:52.10 | NineX | jousto1: look at PM from me please |
| 05:52.58 | gusjdt | its been a while since I used IRC, I dont remember the commands for private speak or whisper, whatever its called |
| 05:53.12 | CM | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.50 | gusjdt | woops.. |
| 05:55.56 | gusjdt | anyways, I came here in hope of finding some help regarding QEMU and openmoko, specifically setting up the USB connection |
| 05:56.21 | gusjdt | actually, I just want to run the hello world app on the emulator, so I can go ahead and do my own stuff |
| 05:56.35 | CM | gusjdt: Did the wiki not help? :) |
| 05:57.07 | gusjdt | not really, Ive been trying to get it to work for weeks following the wiki |
| 05:57.40 | CM | Oh, ok. Maybe try the part that tuukkah just added: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU#Simple_network_connection_with_pppd |
| 05:58.07 | gusjdt | yes, I just saw that a few minutes ago, what does it mean by QEMU command line? |
| 05:58.27 | gusjdt | (Im new to linux, but Im getting there slowly.. :D) |
| 05:59.08 | CM | It's that when you start qemu, you add that after it. |
| 05:59.23 | CM | qemu -serial vc -serial pty |
| 05:59.35 | gusjdt | oh! so it would be make run-qemu -serial vc -serial pty? |
| 05:59.54 | CM | Not sure the makefile can take those arguments |
| 06:00.03 | gusjdt | all right, let me try that.. |
| 06:00.41 | CM | gusjdt: I'm not using qemu much and don't know it so well, but tuukkah, balrog-kun and some others know a lot. I'm sure they'll wake up soon (7 am CET now) |
| 06:01.20 | gusjdt | its 2 AM here, Im about to sleep, but I will be back later today for sure, wish I had found out about this channel before! |
| 06:01.37 | CM | Welcome back later on then :) |
| 06:01.48 | gusjdt | thanks 8) |
| 06:02.37 | gusjdt | hm.. didnt work, heres the output: The program 'qemu' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: |
| 06:02.37 | gusjdt | sudo apt-get install qemu |
| 06:02.37 | gusjdt | bash: qemu: command not found |
| 06:03.09 | gusjdt | it thinks qemu is a command? : / |
| 06:03.57 | gusjdt | oh well, I will try later today, hopefully I can speak with tuukkah, thanks very much, CM! |
| 06:11.44 | blindcoder | moin |
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| 07:56.53 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:35.34 | needhelp | Hi! I need your help. Iam collecting points in page listed below. If you be so kind, please click url below. http://www.3dwhite.lt/?click=56a3cdcf22ccc7ab5f0a7f4d2bc900ff |
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| 08:35.56 | josch | -_- |
| 08:36.53 | josch | someone using our chan for this really needs help ^^ |
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| 08:38.29 | NineX | ~slap needhelp |
| 08:38.32 | apt | ACTION slaps needhelp, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
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| 09:13.41 | CIA-14 | 03thomas * r3524 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-dialer.c): |
| 09:13.41 | CIA-14 | * src/phone-kit/moko-dialer.c: (dialer_init_gsmd): Connect gsmd handlers |
| 09:13.41 | CIA-14 | before setting phone power |
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| 09:20.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1035 has been created by thomas(AT)openedhand.com |
| 09:20.02 | cdbot2 | * * MokoGsmdConnection floods the console with debug messages |
| 09:20.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1035 |
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| 09:30.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1036 has been created by hrw(AT)openedhand.com |
| 09:30.02 | cdbot2 | * * Contacts crash if addressbook.db is broken |
| 09:30.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1036 |
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| 09:41.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1037 has been created by hrw(AT)openedhand.com |
| 09:41.02 | cdbot2 | * * Clock redrawing is ugly |
| 09:41.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1037 |
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| 10:02.45 | flexd_ | eek |
| 10:02.47 | flexd_ | ghost phone number |
| 10:02.48 | flexd_ | :( |
| 10:03.03 | flexd_ | i called someone about a cisco AP, and they said they were gonna get some guy to call me |
| 10:03.06 | flexd_ | and now i missed the call |
| 10:03.13 | flexd_ | and i try to call back and the number isnt in use :p |
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| 10:04.31 | Bubbi | haha thats kindda weird. :S |
| 10:04.35 | kimnotyz1 | hm.. sounds like a conspiracy xD |
| 10:04.53 | flexd_ | It's like the secret cisco society |
| 10:04.58 | flexd_ | of elite people :p |
| 10:05.06 | Bubbi | wonder if they know about it themselves.. maybe they forgot to pay the phone bill :P |
| 10:05.12 | flexd_ | meh |
| 10:05.15 | flexd_ | i'l wait until he calls again |
| 10:05.20 | flexd_ | hope he does, this thing annoys me :/ |
| 10:05.31 | kimnotyz1 | may they just won't talk to you |
| 10:05.51 | Bubbi | Cisco is one of the leaders in networking.. they just can't fix their own :-D |
| 10:07.34 | kimnotyz1 | its like the household of an electrican.. he can do everything but nothing works @home -.- |
| 10:09.36 | buz | this is pretty standard fare for big companies, really |
| 10:09.45 | buz | (banks notoriously do this) |
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| 10:13.35 | kimnotyz1 | hm really? sounds interesting.. can you explain it to me buz? |
| 10:14.07 | buz | the usual explanation is that they dont want to leak internal phone numbers |
| 10:14.27 | buz | because usually its a department rather than an individual thats responsible for your account |
| 10:14.38 | kimnotyz1 | mh ok |
| 10:14.55 | kimnotyz1 | so they use "fake numbers" so that you dont get the direct dial-in number? |
| 10:15.16 | buz | some use fake numbers, some call anonymous, the sanest one use global call center numbers |
| 10:15.33 | kimnotyz1 | ok.. thx |
| 10:15.55 | buz | the ones that call anonymous always have to call me twice |
| 10:16.02 | buz | i refuse to answer anonymous calls |
| 10:16.23 | webjames | can't you ask the network to track the call? |
| 10:16.27 | Tronic | I never get anonymous TM calls. |
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| 10:16.46 | Tronic | Those guys, for some reason, seem to be using their own numbers. |
| 10:16.46 | buz | i neither know nor particularly care |
| 10:17.22 | Tronic | That leaves one of my friends, with a secret number, as the only person calling m eanonymous. |
| 10:18.03 | kimnotyz1 | hm i hate anonymous, too. i dont answer any anonymous calls. |
| 10:18.39 | buz | worst thing is foreign calls which sometimes dont carry caller id |
| 10:18.56 | buz | because someone along the way dropped it |
| 10:20.24 | cjb_ie_ | especially the cheap carriers |
| 10:20.42 | kimnotyz1 | hm thats worse.. but never happend to me.. ive got often international calls.. most from switzerland, new zealand and america (NY).. (im living in germany) |
| 10:20.53 | dread | hi, while working through the AppDev Crash Cours, my make process complains "ERROR: BBFILE_PATTERN_upstream not defined |
| 10:20.56 | dread | ERROR: BBFILE_PATTERN_local not defined" |
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| 10:21.24 | dread | that ihom, because i defined BBFILE_COLLECTIOn = "upstream local overlay" |
| 10:21.35 | buz | kimnotyz1: european ones usually work, but calls from HK notoriously yield "unknown" caller id |
| 10:22.03 | kimnotyz1 | hm ok |
| 10:22.04 | dread | as described, but only BBFILE_PATTERN_overlay = "" |
| 10:22.17 | dread | none for upstream or local |
| 10:22.41 | dread | ca i just omit them or whats the pattern i should use there? |
| 10:22.49 | kimnotyz1 | can you nopaste your setenv? |
| 10:23.28 | kimnotyz1 | well take a look here: |
| 10:23.44 | kimnotyz1 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:CesarB/Using_a_local_overlay |
| 10:23.48 | dread | sure: http://nopaste.unixfreunde.de/297 |
| 10:23.53 | kimnotyz1 | seems as if your problem is discribed there |
| 10:24.44 | kimnotyz1 | you have to edit your local.conf in your overlay.. see link |
| 10:26.48 | dread | the pattern entries, right? |
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| 10:28.53 | dread | ah, okay :-) it seems to be working, thank you :-) |
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| 10:30.09 | kimnotyz1 | np |
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| 10:31.16 | ccube_ | hi |
| 10:34.15 | kimnotyz1 | hi |
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| 10:43.03 | ccube_ | hey, s.o. here? |
| 10:45.08 | kimnotyz1 | yea |
| 10:48.42 | ccube_ | perhaps you know where to get the pw for #openmoko-devel |
| 10:48.42 | ccube_ | ? |
| 10:50.39 | kimnotyz1 | look into the wiki.. its for internal developers only |
| 10:51.01 | kimnotyz1 | "Theres also a #openmoko-devel channel, which is for OpenMoko internal developers only, sorry." |
| 10:51.57 | CM | ccube_: Why do you want that channel? |
| 10:52.51 | ccube_ | uuh |
| 10:53.25 | ccube_ | i just want to learn sth about the structure. |
| 10:53.45 | ccube_ | i bought the phone fur development |
| 10:53.57 | ccube_ | not just for installing the firmware |
| 10:53.59 | CM | So did most of the people in here :) |
| 10:54.41 | ccube_ | yeah, but i didnt know that there are some people in the other room, where the access is restricted. ;) |
| 10:55.18 | CM | Well, there are language specific openmoko-channels and other channels too |
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| 10:56.37 | kimnotyz1 | ccube_: you can develop anything ^^ notjust install the firmware ;-) |
| 10:57.43 | ccube_ | yes, but why there is an forbidden channel? |
| 10:57.50 | ccube_ | makes no sense for me... |
| 10:58.16 | kimnotyz1 | take a look into the wiki etc.. there is much information about this |
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| 10:58.34 | kimnotyz1 | think its better if they program a final release without additional help from outside, so that we have a working release |
| 10:58.50 | kimnotyz1 | where we can do anything.. like GPRS without console etc |
| 10:59.20 | ccube_ | perhaps its slowing down everything, when they dont want help from outside... |
| 10:59.34 | ccube_ | searching the wiki for IRC gives no results. :( |
| 10:59.46 | CM | Well, that's just bad |
| 11:00.01 | josch | is there any way to attach a photo camera to the gta01? |
| 11:00.03 | CM | IRC: #openmoko at freenode.net should be on the first page |
| 11:00.22 | ccube_ | yes, this is where we are :) |
| 11:00.48 | kimnotyz1 | there is usb ;-) |
| 11:00.55 | josch | but unpowered usb |
| 11:01.04 | kimnotyz1 | but you can power it |
| 11:01.11 | josch | with a powered hub? |
| 11:01.24 | josch | can I then use any usb device on my neo? |
| 11:01.30 | kimnotyz1 | as example, yes |
| 11:01.30 | kimnotyz1 | or you build a circuit which powers the usb for you. |
| 11:01.31 | dread | ccube_: sometimes it's a lot easier to work on thing in a small team without big discussions, need for long explanations, etc. especially if there is no time ;-) |
| 11:01.37 | kimnotyz1 | yes |
| 11:01.42 | kimnotyz1 | that my opinion too |
| 11:01.50 | kimnotyz1 | josch: if you got a module and software for it.. |
| 11:02.01 | josch | what software? |
| 11:02.11 | kimnotyz1 | josch: software to use the device?! |
| 11:02.11 | josch | you mean to read from the cam? |
| 11:02.14 | kimnotyz1 | yes |
| 11:02.16 | ccube_ | yeah, thats right. but this is not, what i expected |
| 11:02.27 | kimnotyz1 | and a driver (kernelmodule) which talks to the camera.. |
| 11:02.48 | josch | kimnotyz1, well, if my linux host can do this - why shouldn't openmoko be able to do such a thing? |
| 11:02.51 | kimnotyz1 | ccube_: but its the best i think.. so we get a release where we can relaly work on |
| 11:03.05 | josch | yeah - as I understand I just have to modprobe a kernel module |
| 11:03.06 | kimnotyz1 | josch: i didnt say that your openmoko cant do it.. |
| 11:03.31 | kimnotyz1 | josch: think you have to compile your own module.. because in the most cases there is no precompiled module.. |
| 11:03.56 | josch | so using a powered usb hub will allow me to use any us device... very good... |
| 11:04.25 | ccube_ | ok, i know, that i cannot change everything. but im really disappointed and spent much money in it |
| 11:04.43 | kimnotyz1 | ccube_: where is your problem? |
| 11:06.40 | josch | ccube_, I think you misunderstood something |
| 11:06.59 | dread | uhm ... my qemu just said "connected to gsm network" :-O is there an emulation working? :-) |
| 11:07.00 | ccube_ | my problem is, that the development process is very slow, and then i realized that the developers are a closed group and every talks in this channel are about the hardware and how to get something to run. i just didnt find any development channel or sth |
| 11:07.15 | kimnotyz1 | ccube_: mailinglist.. |
| 11:07.49 | abraxa_ | ccube_: There are several developers right here - they're just not the most outspoken bunch because they rather work. |
| 11:07.49 | kimnotyz1 | ccube_: and the development speed was the reason why they said "we develop it on our own.. until we have a reallly working release, than we will open anything" |
| 11:08.36 | ccube_ | yes, i understand. but this is not what i wanted für 500$ |
| 11:08.38 | ccube_ | :) |
| 11:08.43 | ccube_ | but its ok. |
| 11:08.49 | kimnotyz1 | what did you expect? |
| 11:09.03 | CM | What's the name of the german channel? |
| 11:09.10 | kimnotyz1 | you got a device, you got a working kernel, you got a working build environment |
| 11:09.23 | kimnotyz1 | you can do ANYTHING.. |
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| 11:09.39 | abraxa_ | CM: #voodoo ;) |
| 11:09.44 | CM | Hehe |
| 11:09.51 | josch | CM, neo1973-germany |
| 11:09.53 | kimnotyz1 | Ahhh a witch! |
| 11:10.13 | ccube_ | dunno |
| 11:10.22 | ccube_ | perhaps ive got just a bad day |
| 11:10.38 | ccube_ | dont like closed groups... :) |
| 11:10.47 | abraxa_ | ccube_: Is there anything you expected and didn't get in particular? |
| 11:11.32 | kimnotyz1 | ccube_: its the only way they got if they want something that really works i think |
| 11:13.18 | abraxa_ | Guess he opted for a "just a bad day" option ;) |
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| 11:13.55 | kimnotyz1 | yeah ^^ |
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| 11:20.43 | Bubbi | any developers on that is working on some cool feature for openmoko? - just asking of pure interest :-) |
| 11:21.53 | flexd_ | alot of people are working on cool stuff, you need to be specific :p |
| 11:22.07 | abraxa_ | Bubbi: Does it help if I say "yes" but need to shoot you if I'd tell you what it is? ;) |
| 11:23.10 | Bubbi | flexd_: specific.. nooohhh!.. well i'm very interested in the GPS part of the phone.. :-P |
| 11:23.40 | Bubbi | abraxa_: heh, plz don't shoot me.. :) I'm not very good at taking bullets :-D |
| 11:23.49 | abraxa_ | ;D |
| 11:24.24 | abraxa_ | Bubbi: Do you own a device? |
| 11:26.04 | Bubbi | abraxa_: nope.. haven't got one yet, i'm unfortunately not a very good developer myself. Well... i am.. but primarily a WEBdeveloper.. so i haven't got the skills needed :D So i'm just waiting to the official release |
| 11:26.22 | abraxa_ | Good decision then. |
| 11:26.45 | Bubbi | But as soon as the hardware have been cleaned up nicely and is working, i'm gonna buy one :-P |
| 11:27.07 | Bubbi | then the software can always be installed later.. that's the least of the problems.. |
| 11:27.16 | abraxa_ | Exactly |
| 11:27.18 | josch | right |
| 11:28.09 | josch | but even a stable hardware release is far from being finished - I don't believe in the december date |
| 11:30.18 | Bubbi | you are probably right josch, unfortunately there have been som issues regarding the hardware as far as I have read |
| 11:30.40 | Bubbi | it would have been a nice christmas present though |
| 11:31.30 | josch | I would sadly say: forget it :-/ |
| 11:32.02 | josch | even when it's out before dec. 24 the shipping time will be too long to reach you fast eneough |
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| 11:33.02 | Bubbi | heh, yeah.. i'm living in Denmark (Northern Europe), so the shipping would take at least a week, more likely 2 weeks |
| 11:35.47 | Bubbi | But some were saying that they were working on some nice features/applications? :-D Please enlighten me :-) |
| 11:36.37 | josch | Bubbi, enlighten is the right word in thihs case ^^ |
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| 11:37.26 | josch | my personal favorite feature/application will be enlightenment on openmoko |
| 11:38.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1038 has been created by kristijan.krsteski(AT)gmail.com |
| 11:38.01 | cdbot2 | * * Problem in trying to make openmoko-devel-image.. |
| 11:38.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1038 |
| 11:38.59 | Bubbi | haha very well, didn't see that comming :-D |
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| 11:46.21 | King_InuYasha | why is it that the GPS device needs a non-Free driver? |
| 11:46.50 | ScaredyCat | because gps chip manufacurers are gits |
| 11:47.54 | ruskie | does it? |
| 11:48.06 | ruskie | I thought only the AGPS bit needed some non-Free crap? |
| 11:48.21 | ScaredyCat | the theory goes that htere's so many patents and so much re going on in taiwan and china that if people got to see the driver sources of any of the chips they'd all be in court, permanenely |
| 11:48.34 | King_InuYasha | blech.... |
| 11:48.42 | ruskie | so let them be in court permanently |
| 11:48.52 | King_InuYasha | why is it so bad to see the source code of a driver for a GPS device? |
| 11:49.26 | ScaredyCat | yeah, they'll do that, go to court so we can get the source... in other news pigs are flying regularly nowadays |
| 11:49.55 | ScaredyCat | see my previous comment |
| 11:50.32 | abraxa_ | King_InuYasha: Because in this case the software does the hard work - including the US-enforced limitations for ammunition as far as I know. You don't want the Neo to be classified as a weapon just because of the GPS ;) |
| 11:51.53 | ruskie | I wouldn't mind that... |
| 11:52.25 | King_InuYasha | so why cant it be embedded and handled by hardware and let the software just communicate I/O? |
| 11:53.42 | mjr | it is in gta02 |
| 11:53.47 | mjr | and this all is quite the faq |
| 11:53.49 | ruskie | cause it's cheaper to do it in sw :) |
| 11:53.55 | ruskie | O.o |
| 11:55.33 | josch | we need an open source gps driver to do all the missile guiding stuff we build the neo for! really!! |
| 11:55.37 | Lynet | Is the GPS limitations a US export dual use technology thing only, or are there regs/laws in other countries also? |
| 11:56.04 | mjr | No idea. I'd guess mostly US and its bitches. |
| 11:56.31 | Bubbi | heh, its bitches even ..? :-P |
| 11:57.20 | abraxa_ | Lynet: Even if it's the US only it's still a major problem. As soon as there's an open alternative to a closed driver the Neo must be classified as a weapon because it cannot meet the GPS restrictions anymore as everyone is able to use the open driver then |
| 11:57.35 | balrog-kun | i think it's the masonry |
| 11:57.38 | abraxa_ | That in turn would kill the entire market for the Neo in the US |
| 11:58.03 | ScaredyCat | you say that like it's a bad thing :P |
| 11:58.12 | King_InuYasha | hey... I live in the US |
| 11:58.19 | josch | so... lets develop an open source driver for every gps modul out there and kill the market! |
| 11:58.19 | King_InuYasha | i want to be able to buy one of those |
| 11:58.19 | cjb_ie | abraxa_: the neo, and anything else using the same gps chipset |
| 11:58.27 | abraxa_ | cjb_ie: Yup |
| 11:58.35 | King_InuYasha | doesnt the Garmin chipset have an opensource driver? |
| 11:58.58 | josch | King_InuYasha, but garmin does everything in hardware |
| 11:59.06 | balrog-kun | King_InuYasha: no, afaik |
| 11:59.18 | mjr | abraxa_, doubtful, or at least the regulation has seemed to concern a complete GPS solution, not potential parts thereof |
| 11:59.37 | Bubbi | josch: about enligthenment.. where can i read about it.. i have tried to find it on the wiki, but i'm not sure if i'm looking at the right page.. -- http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/E17 ?? |
| 11:59.39 | Lynet | Meh. I s'pose someone should do the kill crypto regs thing, write and publish a design for a gps receiver. |
| 12:00.07 | balrog-kun | Bubbi: http://www.enlightenment.org/ |
| 12:00.09 | josch | Bubbi, just do make build-package-e-wm <= yeah it's REALLY that simple |
| 12:00.18 | abraxa_ | mjr: Well, I wouldn't put my bets on it either way. The neo can be interfaced so easily that a judge could claim that it would be a perfect missile guidance device... |
| 12:00.26 | CIA-14 | 03thomas * r3525 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-dialer.c): |
| 12:00.26 | CIA-14 | * src/phone-kit/moko-dialer.c: (dialer_init_gsmd): |
| 12:00.26 | CIA-14 | - Add back PIN handler registration |
| 12:00.26 | CIA-14 | - Correct error handling from lgsm_phone_power |
| 12:00.58 | Lynet | mjr: I s'pose it would be somewhat similar to the wireless/fcc thingie, where different countries have different regs on output power and frequencies, and the limitations are handled by driver. |
| 12:02.13 | Bubbi | balrog-kun: oh, i see :-) thank you very much! |
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| 12:02.47 | kimnotyz1 | please dont write too loud, maybe the airforce is reading this stuff xD and then the openmoko is qualified as weapon xD |
| 12:02.56 | Lynet | abraxa_: Then again, if you have the resources to build a missile it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that you also are able to source some gps chips w/source from some clone shop in china. |
| 12:04.08 | Bubbi | josch: I have no clue to what you wrote there :-P i'm unfortunately not that big a linux guy (yet), but I hope to have time after new year to sum up on it :) |
| 12:04.40 | abraxa_ | Lynet: Yes, but you don't *really* expect lawyers to have common sense, do you? |
| 12:04.53 | josch | Bubbi, ah sry - I thought you where already into downloading the openembedded environment, building openmoko and testing it in qemu ^^ |
| 12:04.55 | Lynet | abraxa_: Point. |
| 12:04.59 | abraxa_ | ;) |
| 12:05.28 | ruskie | hmm can't find reference to "[12:53:47] <mjr> and this all is quite the faq" |
| 12:06.26 | josch | NOTE: package wesnoth-0.01+svnr21008-r1: task do_compile: completed |
| 12:06.42 | Lynet | wesnoth for Neo? |
| 12:06.47 | josch | aye! |
| 12:06.55 | Bubbi | josch: heh, i'm sad to say no, even though I have tried qemu (the binary for windows), I haven't been able to do anything else.. as this is unfortunately a brand new world for me :-D |
| 12:07.00 | abraxa_ | ruskie: "and this is all quite the frequently asked question" - sounds right, because it is frequently asked - just maybe not frequently documented ;) |
| 12:07.46 | ruskie | hmm bzflag on the neo would be nice... |
| 12:08.16 | balrog-kun | with portable VR glasses that you connect to the headphones jack |
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| 12:08.29 | Lynet | I thought the existance of a Quake port was the hallmark of a cool platform. |
| 12:08.31 | ruskie | lol |
| 12:08.42 | kimnotyz1 | yes.. like ipodlinux ;-) |
| 12:08.47 | abraxa_ | ruskie: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AGPS at "Q: Is an open source GPTS daemon..." |
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| 12:13.13 | ruskie | abraxa_, ahhh... so only necessary for agps and even then not necessary due to being able to do it once per charge or such.. |
| 12:13.37 | abraxa_ | Come again? |
| 12:15.59 | ruskie | sorry didn't read the whole lot |
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| 12:16.11 | hrw | morning |
| 12:16.13 | hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/11/28/audio-routing-in-mobile-phones/ |
| 12:16.47 | abraxa_ | ruskie: It's fine, I just didn't quite get what you were trying to say :) |
| 12:17.49 | mbuf | when i "inherit autotools" in .bb, if I have an install target, how can i make "make build-package-foo" not do the install target? |
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| 12:18.28 | ruskie | hmm but still why doesn't the gps chip itself solve the issues that are solved in a closed driver? |
| 12:18.48 | cjb_ie | it's cheaper to do it in software |
| 12:19.47 | ruskie | yes.. I'm aware of that bit... |
| 12:20.05 | King_InuYasha | how much cheaper though? |
| 12:20.21 | abraxa_ | ruskie: The chip was chosen before OpenMoko was thought of (GTA01 is inherited from a different project at FIC) and they chose to use a software-based GPS because it's cheaper and binary drivers are common on Windows anyway |
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| 12:22.21 | ruskie | I wonder if the driver will ever change... |
| 12:22.47 | abraxa_ | ruskie: No point pondering, the hardware will go anyway and the new chip does it all in hardware |
| 12:23.11 | ruskie | ahh |
| 12:23.17 | ruskie | didn't see that bit anywhere |
| 12:23.39 | ruskie | sorry for the misunderstanding... |
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| 12:23.53 | ruskie | so now it will trully be open top to bottom? |
| 12:24.16 | abraxa_ | GTA02, yes |
| 12:24.47 | ruskie | joy |
| 12:25.04 | josch | also gsm? ;-) |
| 12:25.09 | ruskie | hmm no fm radio... ohh well... but I can live without for the most part... |
| 12:25.31 | ruskie | doesn't the gsm bit do stuff in hw and is interfaced through AT commands only? |
| 12:26.17 | King_InuYasha | so if the GTA02 does it all in hardware, does it mean that the chip can have an OSS driver? |
| 12:26.31 | abraxa_ | King_InuYasha: Even better - it needs no driver at all |
| 12:26.33 | ruskie | fm radio, digital compass and sound level meter is the few bits I would like :) |
| 12:26.47 | King_InuYasha | :) |
| 12:26.49 | King_InuYasha | wait |
| 12:26.57 | King_InuYasha | so how does applications get information thewn? |
| 12:26.59 | King_InuYasha | *then? |
| 12:27.15 | cjb_ie | it'll just be a serial device emitting an NMEA stream |
| 12:27.28 | King_InuYasha | ahh |
| 12:27.37 | cjb_ie | gpsd or dbus won't need a driver to relay the info |
| 12:27.54 | King_InuYasha | though one thing that was peculiar is why didnt they plan for camera in it? |
| 12:28.09 | balrog-kun | that's a FAQ |
| 12:28.12 | abraxa_ | King_InuYasha: The design was inherited and lots of people do not want cameras |
| 12:28.16 | King_InuYasha | ahh |
| 12:28.49 | King_InuYasha | well, the good thing is the software could theoretically be used on other mobile devices |
| 12:29.13 | abraxa_ | In practice, too ;) |
| 12:29.14 | King_InuYasha | the bad thing is, the options for the OpenMoko software are currently limited |
| 12:29.33 | King_InuYasha | sometimes i really hate Windows Mobile |
| 12:29.41 | King_InuYasha | im getting paid to fix this phone that was bricked |
| 12:29.43 | King_InuYasha | and guess what? |
| 12:30.02 | King_InuYasha | the phone keeps self-disconnecting from the PC and borking the flashing of WM6 |
| 12:30.13 | King_InuYasha | the HTC Hermes 100 |
| 12:31.05 | abraxa_ | Guess why we're all into OpenMoko ;) |
| 12:31.44 | ruskie | :) |
| 12:31.54 | ruskie | no camera is a Good Thing (TM) |
| 12:31.55 | zash | King_InuYasha: flash it with om instead! ;) |
| 12:32.12 | King_InuYasha | I cant |
| 12:32.18 | King_InuYasha | OM doesnt yet support it |
| 12:32.23 | zash | :( |
| 12:32.27 | King_InuYasha | and Hermes 100 has TWO cameras |
| 12:32.33 | King_InuYasha | one for video and one for stills |
| 12:32.44 | zash | print out a screenshot of wm6 and glue it to the display |
| 12:32.46 | King_InuYasha | no one has managed to get the Hermes 100 to run Linux |
| 12:33.01 | King_InuYasha | XDA people got close |
| 12:33.02 | King_InuYasha | but |
| 12:33.29 | King_InuYasha | after kernel loads, nothing works according to them |
| 12:33.39 | King_InuYasha | and this stupid ROM updating app doesnt work right.... |
| 12:34.22 | jmichel | I get this error when updating my OM build: could not connect to server (http://svn.nslu2-linux.org) |
| 12:34.57 | jmichel | I guess this server is down... but it was doing that 8 hours ago also |
| 12:36.41 | Bubbi | well.. there's a favIcon on the server.. heh, not much else.. :-S |
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| 12:39.53 | jmichel | Bubbi: maybe but the update doesn't complete because of this error |
| 12:40.20 | jmichel | Bubbi: Anything I can do to prevent the error |
| 12:40.27 | jmichel | Bubbi: ? |
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| 12:40.55 | CIA-14 | 03thomas * r3526 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (13 files in 3 dirs): |
| 12:40.55 | CIA-14 | * data/Makefile.am: |
| 12:40.55 | CIA-14 | * src/phone-kit/dialer-main.c: (main): |
| 12:40.55 | CIA-14 | * src/phone-kit/moko-talking.c: (moko_talking_init): |
| 12:40.56 | CIA-14 | MokoStock seems to be unreliable, so include and load images ourselves |
| 12:40.56 | CIA-14 | for now |
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| 12:41.37 | CM | rwhitby: http://svn.nslu2-linux.org seems to be empty |
| 12:42.10 | josch | jmichel, rwhitby is the creator of the makefile he can help you with your problem |
| 12:42.19 | rwhitby | CM: yes, that's as it should be. |
| 12:42.27 | CM | Ah, ok :) |
| 12:42.31 | rwhitby | http://svn.nslu2-linux.org/svnroot/mokomakefile/trunk/ has data. |
| 12:42.32 | josch | well... why?? |
| 12:42.50 | josch | ah okay |
| 12:43.15 | CM | jmichel: Then maybe there's something wrong with your network? I just did a complete rebuild of OpenMoko with no problems |
| 12:43.31 | rwhitby | svn.nslu2-linux.org is definitely up. |
| 12:43.41 | holycow | hello moko monkeys! |
| 12:43.54 | rwhitby | $ uptime |
| 12:43.54 | rwhitby | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.04 | abraxa_ | Holy Cow! |
| 12:44.06 | CM | It is, i was just suprised I couldn't browse from the root dir :) |
| 12:44.10 | holycow | !moo! |
| 12:44.22 | CM | holycow: Hehe |
| 12:44.34 | holycow | :) |
| 12:44.45 | King_InuYasha | will there be an office suite for OpenMoko? |
| 12:44.55 | jmichel | CM: ok... sorry about that it was a proxy problem from my side |
| 12:45.03 | jmichel | now it's working |
| 12:45.09 | CM | :) |
| 12:46.44 | abraxa_ | King_InuYasha: Yeah sure, if you can get OpenOffice to run... Abiword already works aside from the cluttered UI ;) |
| 12:46.57 | abraxa_ | Aside from that I haven't heard of any plans |
| 12:49.31 | Bubbi | jmichel: sorry for the lack of replying.. work got in the way ;-) But I don't know what you could do about this.. |
| 12:51.18 | Bubbi | jmichel: oh, i see that you got someone else to reply :-P i'm not that big a fan of reading everything before i reply :D |
| 12:52.09 | Bubbi | jmichel: glad you got it working again though.. |
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| 13:03.11 | josch | if I plug my neo in a powered usb hub - will it charge? |
| 13:03.40 | kimnotyz1 | with 100mA |
| 13:03.43 | kimnotyz1 | yes |
| 13:03.45 | josch | why? |
| 13:03.52 | josch | why not 500mA? |
| 13:03.59 | cjb_ie | no upstream device to approve request for 500mA |
| 13:04.11 | kimnotyz1 | this topic was on the mailinglist before several days |
| 13:04.15 | kimnotyz1 | yes\ |
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| 13:04.55 | josch | aren't there any hubs that can approve to charge with 500mA? |
| 13:05.07 | mjr | you can force it from the neo side, apparently |
| 13:05.10 | mjr | nowadays |
| 13:05.24 | Bubbi | How do you charge the Neo "fast" then? |
| 13:05.29 | josch | mjr, this is good |
| 13:05.32 | josch | but how? |
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| 13:06.44 | mjr | echo -n "fast_cccv" > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgmode |
| 13:07.05 | josch | great! |
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| 13:07.30 | mjr | Bubbi, usually by hooking it up to a smart usb host that will give it permission to fast charge. Or see above. |
| 13:07.45 | josch | so I'm able to use a powered usb hub to fast charge my neo AND use all the usb stuff like an flash stick or a camera? |
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| 13:08.11 | mjr | josch, with a kludged three-pronged cable maybe |
| 13:08.43 | mjr | to use usb devices, you need to hook up to the hub's B socket |
| 13:08.43 | josch | mjr, why? |
| 13:08.54 | mjr | to get power, you need to hook up to the hub's A socket |
| 13:08.56 | josch | please explain |
| 13:09.10 | mjr | hubs don't provide power to USB hosts |
| 13:09.29 | josch | so what sense make powered usb hubs then? |
| 13:09.48 | mjr | so you'd need to attach the neo to both the host-direction por tof the hub, and to one of the gadget-directed ports (with only power lines attached) |
| 13:09.59 | mjr | They power USB devices. Duh. |
| 13:10.39 | josch | ah! never knew this |
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| 13:11.21 | Pitbullpc | mjr, do you know nbd? |
| 13:11.32 | nbd | ? |
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| 13:11.47 | Pitbullpc | ah, ndb is here. good. |
| 13:11.47 | mjr | presumably you could hack a hub to push power "upstream", but I wouldn't plug it into any standard USB host anymore after that... |
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| 13:12.00 | mjr | (and by "hack" I mean "hw hack") |
| 13:12.32 | Pitbullpc | nbd, i was told by Pierre that you were working with the AR6001 and may be interested in some discussion on that |
| 13:12.40 | nbd | yeah |
| 13:13.11 | Pitbullpc | i don't have much time this morning, but when is a good time to catch you on here |
| 13:13.54 | nbd | depends |
| 13:14.00 | nbd | just ping me again when it's convenient for you |
| 13:14.14 | Pitbullpc | will do |
| 13:14.38 | Pitbullpc | let's start with this. what interfaces are you exploring on the ar6001? |
| 13:15.04 | nbd | i was trying to make the atheros driver work with the linux mmc/sdio stack |
| 13:15.23 | nbd | but the problem that i was having is that the card kept giving me timeouts at semi-random times during the init |
| 13:15.54 | balrog-kun | sameo got the ar6001 working afaik |
| 13:15.59 | Pitbullpc | yeah, Pierre mentioned the brutal 1 sec timeouts for everything |
| 13:16.18 | nbd | balrog-kun: hm. interesting. i'll try his driver soon |
| 13:16.39 | stefan_schmidt | balrog-kun: mvista or mainline SDIO stack? |
| 13:17.20 | balrog-kun | stefan_schmidt: afaik mainline sdio stack + openmoko (i.e. sameo's) s3c24xx SDIO driver |
| 13:17.20 | Pitbullpc | who did you get the chips from? ie. do you have any industry support? |
| 13:17.24 | balrog-kun | the code is at http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-atheros/ |
| 13:18.11 | stefan_schmidt | balrog-kun: mainline would be nice. |
| 13:18.24 | stefan_schmidt | Pitbullpc: The chip is in our upcoming device |
| 13:18.29 | nbd | Pitbullpc: they were sent to me by openmoko. never got a datasheet or any real support |
| 13:18.30 | stefan_schmidt | Pitbullpc: GTA02 |
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| 13:19.18 | stefan_schmidt | nbd: yeah, that sucked |
| 13:19.24 | Pitbullpc | well, that sucks |
| 13:19.46 | Pitbullpc | i might be able to provide some help in that area |
| 13:19.55 | stefan_schmidt | sameo is working on it now. Also without datasheet but with a contact at atheros |
| 13:20.38 | Pitbullpc | having a contact at Atheros is certainly benificial |
| 13:21.21 | Pitbullpc | i have some contacts with on of the Atheros "authorized design centers", namely Card Access |
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| 13:21.38 | Pitbullpc | get info out of them is like pulling teeth sometimes |
| 13:22.42 | balrog-kun | well, sameo also mentioned some funny comments from atheros like "please don't ask about this command, and just use this other command instead" |
| 13:22.59 | Pitbullpc | also, the data sheet is vague and is full of errors. for instance, the register addresses are off by as much as 40 bytes |
| 13:24.32 | Pitbullpc | I was told the that header files in the Atheros provided driver have the correct addresses |
| 13:24.36 | stefan_schmidt | Pitbullpc: You have the datasheet under an NDA that allows you to write a GPL driver? |
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| 13:25.51 | Pitbullpc | No, I do not think that I have that leway under out NDA |
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| 13:26.41 | stefan_schmidt | Pitbullpc: That's the reason why we don't have the datasheets. We need a GPL driver. |
| 13:27.44 | Pitbullpc | don't you have the Atheros driver? I think that is better than the data sheet |
| 13:28.01 | stefan_schmidt | Pitbullpc: Of course we have. It's the basement. |
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| 13:28.13 | NineX | witch kernel options i sholud set on my pc to provide full connectivity support between neo1973 and my pc? i just bound info abut usb network, any other modules i sholud turn on ? any special modules for debugboard or somethink? |
| 13:28.29 | stefan_schmidt | Pitbullpc: GPL driver source and contact at Atheros, nothing more. |
| 13:28.41 | Pitbullpc | so you have the 2.6.9 version that they peddle |
| 13:29.20 | stefan_schmidt | Pitbullpc: No, idea about the special version. You would have to ask sameo for this details. |
| 13:29.33 | balrog | there was a 2.6.18 patch somewhere on sourceforge too, but the current version in svn should work against 2.6.22.5 |
| 13:29.59 | Pitbullpc | ah, good info |
| 13:30.14 | Pitbullpc | did you get raw chips or where they on an eval board? |
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| 13:30.30 | balrog-kun | Pitbullpc: are you allowed to share the datasheet? |
| 13:30.48 | Pitbullpc | balrog, probably not leagally |
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| 13:31.04 | balrog-kun | i see |
| 13:31.39 | stefan_schmidt | Pitbullpc: FIC produces hw so they got the raw chips and build boards for testing |
| 13:31.59 | CM | NineX: I think they are listed in the wiki. You need some for CDC or so to use dfu-util |
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| 13:33.08 | Pitbullpc | ok, well maybe this will help. I know that our chips came with a basic bootloader in them. they require being put through calibration before the chip will do anything wifi |
| 13:33.46 | Pitbullpc | it seems to me that FIC would have needed to do the calibration on them before dumping them off for sw devel. |
| 13:33.50 | CM | NineX: CONFIG_USB_ACM (Device Drivers -> USB support -> USB Modem (CDC ACM) support) |
| 13:34.21 | Pitbullpc | have you heard of ART (Atheros Radio Test) program? |
| 13:34.29 | stefan_schmidt | Pitbullpc: I would not be sure about this. sameo was able to go through init already. |
| 13:34.53 | Pitbullpc | can sameo send/receive packets? |
| 13:35.46 | stefan_schmidt | Pitbullpc: IIRC he sent out a probe request |
| 13:36.05 | stefan_schmidt | Pitbullpc: At this point you really should talk to him directly. :) |
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| 13:36.26 | stefan_schmidt | Pitbullpc: I just read his internal status mails and are interested in this. :) |
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| 13:39.05 | Pitbullpc | thanks, stefan. i would like to help as much as i can |
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| 13:39.32 | Pitbullpc | the project I am working on is also using this chip, so i have access to a lot of information |
| 13:39.32 | edistar | hi |
| 13:39.51 | sameo | Pitbullpc: which project is it ? |
| 13:40.19 | Pitbullpc | we were hoping to this chip working in a local bus mode, but that is complete untraveled path to date. |
| 13:40.49 | sameo | Pitbullpc: local bus mode ? what do you mean ? |
| 13:40.59 | Pitbullpc | sameo, it is for a semi-comercial product. |
| 13:41.24 | sameo | Pitbullpc: can you share the HW details ? |
| 13:41.26 | Pitbullpc | the ar6001 supports, SDIO, CF, SPI, and a pure Local Bus mode |
| 13:42.07 | Pitbullpc | yes, i can elaborate on what we are doing to get it up and the process we are going through |
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| 13:43.20 | sameo | Pitbullpc: ok, cool...what is your host CPU ? |
| 13:43.34 | Pitbullpc | we are essentially pairing a iMX31 with the AR6001 for 802.11 capability |
| 13:43.59 | Pitbullpc | iMX31 has an ARM1136jf-s core |
| 13:44.09 | sameo | Pitbullpc: yep...is this over SDIO ? |
| 13:44.17 | Pitbullpc | if you aren't familiar with it, it is a freescale part |
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| 13:45.30 | Pitbullpc | originally we wanted to try to use the chip in local bus mode, but it became clear that this was not in the schedule to try and get this working when NOONE else has ever made this chip work in this mode |
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| 13:46.40 | Pitbullpc | another point of history is that this chip wasn't intended to be a regular product from Atheros, it was built for a few special customers. selling it to anyone else was an after thought. |
| 13:47.08 | sameo | Pitbullpc: ah, ok, didnt know that...are you using the SDIO sourceforge driver, or are you writing one from scratch ? |
| 13:48.15 | Pitbullpc | When we purchased the chips, we were provided with an Atheros driver based on a 2.6.9 kernel (they use Fedora Core 3) |
| 13:49.33 | Pitbullpc | from a manufacturing standpoint, have you brought up any wifi chips before from scratch (raw chip) |
| 13:49.49 | sameo | Pitbullpc: yes |
| 13:50.18 | Pitbullpc | this is my first experience with essentially building a radio (or adding pure radio chip to a design) |
| 13:50.40 | Pitbullpc | so, i am learning as i go |
| 13:51.20 | sameo | Pitbullpc: ok...so, you're using Atheros 2.6.9 driver, and what is the status of your project ? |
| 13:52.00 | Pitbullpc | i can't comment on how any other manufacturers processes, only Atheros for this chip. with that said, if you hear anything that doesn't sound right, then question it, maybe I made an invalid assumption |
| 13:52.49 | Pitbullpc | we have gone back and forth as to which interface we wanted to use and they has caused some respining of hw. |
| 13:53.22 | sameo | Pitbullpc: Atheros seems to be mostly going into the SDIO/CF direction. |
| 13:53.25 | Pitbullpc | however, the final hardware will support nearly any interface provided by the AR6001. |
| 13:54.20 | sameo | Pitbullpc: but what is your project's status right now, from a functional point of view ? |
| 13:54.44 | Pitbullpc | Since Atheros isn't providing a more updated driver, we are going get the updated version from Card Access |
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| 13:55.52 | Pitbullpc | We are also in the first stages of setting up a calibration station so that we can actually load the firmware on the chips and get them calibrated |
| 13:58.38 | sameo | Pitbullpc: so, I assume you don't have a working 802.11 subsystem on your board atm ? |
| 13:59.42 | Pitbullpc | I don't know if you caught this earlier, but we were told the following from Card Access: 1. The AR6001's that are dropped shipped from Atheros do not have any firmware on them, just a basic bootloader. The chips must be loaded with firmware before they can be used. 2. The AR6001's require calibration before they will do anything "wifi". ie. will not send nor receive packets. |
| 13:59.55 | Pitbullpc | that is correct. |
| 14:00.33 | sameo | Pitbullpc: yeah, I know that. We get our wifi chips with a firmware flashed and calibrated. |
| 14:00.49 | sameo | Pitbullpc: yesterday, I managed to associate my GTA to an AP. |
| 14:00.55 | Pitbullpc | that is about 6 weeks away due to the holidays and lead time on purchasing equipment for the calibration station. |
| 14:01.46 | sameo | Pitbullpc: ok, I hope I'll have a fully functional driver by then... |
| 14:01.58 | Pitbullpc | very good, glad to see that you got i up |
| 14:02.24 | sameo | Pitbullpc: be aware that the sourceforge driver (the card access one, I guess) is only valid with Atheros 1.1 firmwares. |
| 14:02.26 | nbd | sameo: does it work with GTA02v2 as well? |
| 14:02.36 | nbd | sameo: or just with later hw fixes? |
| 14:02.47 | sameo | nbd: it should work on a v2 |
| 14:02.55 | Pitbullpc | if you have any questions or need some research done, let me know |
| 14:03.05 | sameo | Pitbullpc: thanks, same here :-) |
| 14:03.16 | nbd | i tried the linux sdio stack, but couldn't communicate with the wifi card at all |
| 14:03.27 | Pitbullpc | aw, there is a problem with that firmware |
| 14:03.34 | nbd | and i saw that v3 has some extra pulldowns on sdio, iirc |
| 14:03.36 | Pitbullpc | you can't change tx power levels |
| 14:03.45 | sameo | nbd: yeah, thats with Atheros SDIO stack |
| 14:03.58 | Pitbullpc | in 1.3 it works |
| 14:04.27 | sameo | Pitbullpc: yep, I know but Atheros doesn't plan to have a GPL driver that would be 1.3 compatible. |
| 14:05.25 | Pitbullpc | how different is this driver than the madwifi stuff? |
| 14:06.38 | sameo | Pitbullpc: I don't know exactly, but I looked at the ath5k branch on the wireless kernel git tree, and they seem to be quite different. |
| 14:06.42 | nbd | completely different |
| 14:06.50 | Pitbullpc | does anyone know who FIC is getting support through? |
| 14:07.18 | sameo | Pitbullpc: I know, but I'm probably not allowed to tell it. |
| 14:07.51 | Pitbullpc | sounds like they don't have an NDA? |
| 14:08.16 | sameo | Pitbullpc: who is "they" |
| 14:08.19 | Pitbullpc | FIC |
| 14:08.35 | Pitbullpc | with whom ever they are getting support from |
| 14:08.38 | sameo | Pitbullpc: they do. |
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| 14:09.57 | Pitbullpc | well, that is partially good. that just leaves us to reverse engineer the damn chip to make a decent driver |
| 14:10.53 | sameo | Pitbullpc: looking at the sourceforge driver tells you a lot already. |
| 14:11.19 | Pitbullpc | that is my next question, where did that driver come from? |
| 14:11.31 | Pitbullpc | was that actually released by Atheros? |
| 14:12.49 | sameo | Pitbullpc: it's "Copyright (c), 2004-2005 Atheros Communications, Inc." |
| 14:13.45 | Pitbullpc | that sounds like the same crap they were peddling to us |
| 14:14.07 | Pitbullpc | that is the foundation to any other AR6K driver |
| 14:14.13 | edistar | sameo: are you employed by OM? |
| 14:14.22 | sameo | Pitbullpc: it's against 2.6.18 |
| 14:16.16 | hrw | edistar: sameo works for OpenedHand |
| 14:16.22 | Pitbullpc | i have seen that somewhere. there is some conflict as to what kernel version it will work under. some of the ducuments i have say 2.6.9 and others say 2.6.18. |
| 14:16.43 | hrw | edistar: and OH do lot of OpenMoko job |
| 14:17.02 | edistar | hrw: thx |
| 14:17.04 | Pitbullpc | either way, I am using a 2.6.19 with intention of going to a 2.6.22 in a month or so |
| 14:17.22 | sameo | Pitbullpc: the sourceforge one is against 2.6.18, and I ported it to 2.6.22, here http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-atheros/ |
| 14:17.40 | sameo | Pitbullpc: in case you ever want to use this stuff... |
| 14:18.02 | sameo | edistar: yeah, I work for OpenedHand |
| 14:18.05 | Pitbullpc | does that include the CF interface as well |
| 14:18.28 | edistar | sameo: do you know anything about the progress of the wifi driver in OM? |
| 14:18.59 | hrw | edistar: they talk about it for over half hour ;D |
| 14:19.08 | Pitbullpc | lol |
| 14:19.15 | sameo | edistar: yes, I'm working on it. My guess is that I should have a working driver in a couple weeks or so. |
| 14:19.36 | edistar | oh.. I thought they were talking about Pitbullpcs project.. |
| 14:20.01 | Pitbullpc | same chip, same status |
| 14:20.10 | edistar | ok.. ;) |
| 14:20.36 | Pitbullpc | sameo: did your driver address any of the CF code? |
| 14:20.47 | sameo | Pitbullpc: no, SDIO only. |
| 14:21.07 | Pitbullpc | and do you remember seeeing in iMX21 references in the SDIO code? |
| 14:21.29 | sameo | Pitbullpc: yes, they have an iMX21 SDIO host controller driver ready.. |
| 14:21.51 | sameo | Pitbullpc: look at http://svn.openmoko.org/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-atheros/common_atheros_sdiostack.patch |
| 14:21.56 | Pitbullpc | that is the previous and very close version of the iMX31 |
| 14:22.20 | Pitbullpc | wrt SDIO |
| 14:22.37 | josch | NOTE: package wesnoth-0.01+svnr21008: completed <= doing ipkg intall now |
| 14:22.39 | Pitbullpc | do you plan on doing any throughput tests? |
| 14:23.02 | edistar | josch: how does wesnoth run, smooth? |
| 14:23.02 | sameo | Pitbullpc: yes, as soon as I can. |
| 14:23.45 | Pitbullpc | one last thing for today. i take it you maintained the "proprietary" SDIO stack included in the driver? |
| 14:24.17 | sameo | Pitbullpc: it's not proprietary at all, it's GPL. And Atheros maintains that. |
| 14:25.14 | josch | edistar, don't know if it even starts up - will try this now |
| 14:25.59 | Pitbullpc | sorry, let me translate -- in this case "proprietary" = "non-standard", as in driver will not work with any other SDIO stack |
| 14:26.38 | Pitbullpc | Atheros subed out the development of the SDIO stack, then decided to buy the company. |
| 14:26.47 | sameo | Pitbullpc: ah, ok...We plan to move to the kernel SDIO stack later on. |
| 14:26.53 | Pitbullpc | which is why they still maintain it |
| 14:29.01 | Pitbullpc | sameo: have you worked on any other wifi chips that have a CF driver? |
| 14:29.13 | Pitbullpc | I am interested in some references |
| 14:30.20 | sameo | Pitbullpc: no, SDIO and SPI only. But if you look at the latest kernel tree, some of the wifi drivers there have a CF interface (the Libertas one comes to my mind...) |
| 14:30.36 | Pitbullpc | the situation is this, the iMX31 has a PCMCIA/CF controller on chip. However, most of the control lines are simply pulled up or down and will never change in an embeded design. |
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| 14:31.14 | Pitbullpc | so would it be more prudent to stub out the low level PCMCIA driver functions |
| 14:32.18 | jadams_ | I can't get gprs working on my device. I'm using T-Mobile in the US |
| 14:32.40 | jadams_ | I followed the instructions on the wiki, using internet2.voicestream.com as my APN |
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| 14:33.44 | edistar | jadams_: I think there are still a few problems with gprs |
| 14:34.22 | rschuster | hi. where is this gallery page where everyone can uploads his/her screenshots of openmoko? |
| 14:34.23 | jadams_ | edistar, I had it working fine a month ago |
| 14:34.42 | edistar | oh.. |
| 14:34.53 | edistar | rschuster: scap.linuxtogo.org? |
| 14:35.12 | rschuster | edistar: thank you! |
| 14:35.15 | edistar | :) |
| 14:36.11 | edistar | josch: apparently supertux is running.. |
| 14:36.11 | sameo | Pitbullpc: but you also want your driver to support SDIO, right ? |
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| 14:38.05 | Pitbullpc | we don't think the throughput will be there, but we would still like to consider it as an option. we have a way to switch between interfaces on the fly using a register a CPLD on our board that does the interface mappings. |
| 14:39.09 | Pitbullpc | that should read "register in the CPLD" |
| 14:41.52 | jadams_ | ScaredyCat, around? Curious if you've got gprs working on the latest build |
| 14:42.24 | ScaredyCat | I haven't played yet, aiming to do that later today.... |
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| 14:42.29 | ScaredyCat | (sorry fo rhte delay) |
| 14:47.12 | Pitbullpc | sameo: what is the sourceforge project name? i searched atheros, ar6001, ar6k, and i get nothing? |
| 14:47.40 | sameo | Pitbullpc: it's http://sourceforge.net/projects/sdio-linux/ |
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| 14:54.38 | jadams_ | ScaredyCat, I just always get 'connect script failed' |
| 14:55.13 | jadams_ | using both the script on the wiki and a script here (modified to use the appropriate device): http://www.anatifero.us/weblog/2004/10/30/t-mobile-gprs-on-debian/ |
| 14:55.56 | josch | okay guys! *drums* wesnoth is up and running!! |
| 14:56.24 | josch | it takes endless to start up but then it's totally smooth and playable |
| 14:56.36 | edistar | josch: cool |
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| 14:57.55 | josch | there is still one problem: wesnoth doesn't detect that that there is 640x480 and so defaults tp 320x240 |
| 14:58.00 | Pitbullpc | sameo: thanks. i have to run, is this a good time to touch base with you? |
| 14:58.05 | josch | but maybe xrandr fixes this |
| 14:58.09 | edistar | josch: that's not so much a problem, is it? |
| 14:58.27 | edistar | josch: I suppose it would lag if it were VGA |
| 14:58.28 | Xx13 | josch: show a screencap |
| 14:58.35 | sameo | Pitbullpc: np...yep, it is a good time. |
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| 14:59.51 | Pitbullpc | sameo: let me know if there is something you think you might need from the data sheet? I may be able to recreate it from memory ;) |
| 15:00.11 | sameo | Pitbullpc: ok, I'll keep that in mind, thanks :-) |
| 15:00.46 | Pitbullpc | sameo: take care, i'll check back in a few days |
| 15:01.12 | sameo | Pitbullpc: all right, take care. |
| 15:01.25 | josch | wohooo!!! it works with xrandr!! |
| 15:02.20 | edistar | josch: make screenshots... |
| 15:02.30 | torpor | can anyone tell me how i can get bitbake to unpack the sources for a package for me? |
| 15:02.40 | CM | josch: scap it |
| 15:02.45 | torpor | there's a way to do that other than to futz with rm_work right (i use rmwork right now) |
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| 15:04.21 | josch | yeah! will do this but how do I scap without being able to do a screenshot with holding the aux button etc? |
| 15:04.47 | ScaredyCat | your aux button broke? |
| 15:04.58 | josch | I will upload it on my personal webspace together with a photo to prove that this is no screenshot I took from my host machine :-P |
| 15:05.16 | josch | ScaredyCat, no but the menu doesn't show up while I'm in wesnoth |
| 15:05.19 | NineX | ScaredyCat: how long neo 1973 works with qtopia without charge ? |
| 15:05.21 | ScaredyCat | cat /dev/fb0 >mypic.raw |
| 15:05.22 | CM | josch: ssh in and dump the fb |
| 15:05.51 | ScaredyCat | dunno NineX - tsting that today :) |
| 15:06.08 | ScaredyCat | nom nom nom nom |
| 15:06.36 | NineX | ScaredyCat: so , when you will kow , send me a message |
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| 15:07.14 | ScaredyCat | aye |
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| 15:08.41 | josch | ScaredyCat, fbgrab filename.png is more comfortable |
| 15:08.55 | ScaredyCat | pussy |
| 15:08.57 | ScaredyCat | :P |
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| 15:10.34 | josch | how do I upload to scap without the openmoko tool? |
| 15:10.54 | rschuster | josch: without gpe-scap? |
| 15:11.07 | rschuster | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/tickle.php ? |
| 15:11.30 | josch | rschuster, thx |
| 15:11.37 | josch | did never find a link to this page |
| 15:11.45 | edistar | rschuster: did you make the screenies of the filemanager? |
| 15:11.58 | rschuster | edistar: I did |
| 15:12.04 | edistar | rschuster: nice:) |
| 15:12.09 | rschuster | edistar: It is an example application from SWT |
| 15:12.18 | edistar | rschuster: yep |
| 15:12.26 | edistar | it is quite usable already? |
| 15:12.30 | NineX | ScaredyCat: please when you will know how long neo can work witout charge wit qtopia send me PM , please :> |
| 15:12.56 | ScaredyCat | did I not already say 'aye' ? |
| 15:13.07 | edistar | ;) |
| 15:13.13 | rschuster | edistar: well, handling with the touchscreen is awkward. but it makes a nice app for screenshots :) |
| 15:13.46 | rschuster | edistar: and somehow SWT apps do not have proper theming |
| 15:14.08 | edistar | rschuster: ok |
| 15:14.24 | edistar | josch: how is wesnoth with touch? |
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| 15:18.26 | josch | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/tickle.php <= what key should I enter? |
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| 15:19.34 | josch | edistar, since you can play wesnoth without keyboard or right mouse button it's perfectly playable! |
| 15:19.44 | edistar | josch: cool :) |
| 15:21.47 | zash | someone poke blizzard :D |
| 15:22.52 | josch | but imagine the mouse/keyboard you'd have to carry around |
| 15:23.06 | zash | josch: you dont need keyboard for sc |
| 15:23.09 | zash | or mouse |
| 15:23.31 | josch | well... you will loose if you cannot use a proper mouse/keyboard |
| 15:23.36 | zash | s/mouse/more than one mousbutton |
| 15:23.43 | borg_ | josch: when i understand the gpe-scap sourcecode right the key is "secret" |
| 15:23.55 | josch | borg_, thx |
| 15:23.57 | borg_ | "\r\n--" SEP "\r\nContent-Disposition: form-data; name=\"key\"\r\n\r\nsecret" |
| 15:24.23 | josch | have a look! http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=1 |
| 15:24.37 | edistar | josch: nice :) |
| 15:24.38 | borg_ | NICE |
| 15:24.39 | edistar | VGA? |
| 15:24.42 | borg_ | tahts so cool |
| 15:25.06 | edistar | I really want a neo now.... to play :P |
| 15:25.25 | josch | 640x480 |
| 15:25.32 | josch | it's just great |
| 15:25.46 | edistar | make some more screenshots :) |
| 15:25.48 | josch | I fulfilled myself a dream now |
| 15:25.54 | borg_ | hehe |
| 15:26.01 | josch | edistar, there is nothing special ^^ |
| 15:26.10 | edistar | josch: no, but it's wesnoth ;) |
| 15:26.18 | borg_ | josch: make a bug in oe and put a link in the sourcode there |
| 15:26.22 | ScaredyCat | swt? |
| 15:26.24 | borg_ | that they can make it in the repo |
| 15:26.34 | josch | I'm just gonne make a phote so that everybody believes it runs on the real neo |
| 15:26.38 | borg_ | s/in the/to the/ |
| 15:26.40 | edistar | ok :) |
| 15:26.50 | borg_ | arg |
| 15:26.52 | josch | Shoragan promised to add it to OE for me |
| 15:26.57 | borg_ | ok |
| 15:27.45 | jadams_ | ScaredyCat, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/T-Mobile_pppd_scripts fwiw |
| 15:28.07 | jadams_ | I also added a column to the APN table on the wiki to add links to working pppd scripts for a given carrier, and linked that |
| 15:28.11 | jadams_ | hoping others will follow suit |
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| 15:32.34 | CM | josch: Cool! |
| 15:33.24 | josch | ^^ |
| 15:33.44 | hdr | how can i buy the gta2 in germany? by shops or only via internet? |
| 15:33.45 | josch | took me only two days - not bad for my first bitbake recipe :-) |
| 15:33.56 | edistar | hdr: only internet at the beginning I suppose |
| 15:33.58 | josch | hdr, you cannot buy it yet |
| 15:34.20 | edistar | hdr: in january or so |
| 15:34.22 | josch | hdr, to get informed right away you may consider joining #neo1973-germany |
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| 15:34.46 | hdr | josch: oh thanks |
| 15:34.55 | josch | hdr, np |
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| 15:37.17 | CM | josch: How about describing how you did the recipie in the wiki? ;) |
| 15:37.37 | CM | Or at least update the one that's already there, if it wasn't enough |
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| 15:38.52 | josch | CM, i learned that mastering bitbake is a lenghty process and better fits into the openembedded wiki |
| 15:39.06 | CM | Ah, also good :) |
| 15:39.12 | josch | there already are articles but I found them not so useful :-/ |
| 15:39.21 | josch | there is no real hands on guide |
| 15:39.29 | CM | I tried to make a gtk hello world program before, but never got bitbake to compile it |
| 15:41.00 | josch | I can only repeat what others told me: you learn the best from other's recipes |
| 15:43.02 | jadams_ | anyone here have gprs working on their Neo? |
| 15:43.21 | CIA-14 | 03sameo * r3527 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-atheros/ (8 files): |
| 15:43.21 | CIA-14 | ar6k-atheros: Platform device hooks. |
| 15:43.21 | CIA-14 | We now get a platform device from the gta02 machine file. |
| 15:43.21 | CIA-14 | We use it for IO region and IRQ allocation, also for DMA buffer |
| 15:43.21 | CIA-14 | allocation. |
| 15:46.57 | CM | jadams_: I've heard some, but it's not reliable |
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| 15:53.03 | rschuster | josch: have you done this (wesnoth @ openmoko)? |
| 15:53.14 | josch | rschuster, right |
| 15:53.50 | josch | but there is still a problem: no sound :-/ |
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| 15:53.59 | josch | any ideas? |
| 15:54.00 | PBeck | hi |
| 15:55.18 | rschuster | josch: what does wesnoth use? sdl? |
| 15:55.29 | josch | rschuster, aye |
| 15:55.30 | rschuster | josch: or better sdl-mixer? |
| 15:55.38 | josch | jop, sdl-mixer |
| 15:55.41 | josch | I installed it |
| 15:56.14 | josch | could this be an sdl-mixer problem? |
| 15:56.15 | rschuster | rschuster: funny. sound was the only thing I had when I compiled openttd for the neo :) |
| 15:56.28 | rschuster | josch: try killing the pulseaudio daemon |
| 15:57.22 | josch | what is the pulseaudio deamon for? |
| 15:57.42 | josch | does openttd also use sdl-mixer? |
| 15:58.01 | rschuster | if it works then - you should consider setting SDL_AUDIODRIVER to esd. pulseaudio can mimic esd. but its possible that you needs plugin packages for pulseaudio then |
| 15:58.15 | rschuster | pulseaudio is for sound what compiz-fusion is for graphics :) |
| 15:58.30 | josch | ah... so... useless :-) |
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| 15:59.02 | josch | nope no sound |
| 15:59.13 | josch | now even clicking sound has vanished |
| 15:59.38 | rschuster | try aplay with some system sound. if that doesn't work sdl-mixer wont either |
| 16:00.46 | josch | aplay works |
| 16:01.12 | XorA | rschuster: you mean pulse fscks up all sound but occasionally looks good :-) |
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| 16:01.56 | josch | nope still no sound |
| 16:02.13 | josch | aplay works, pulseaudio is killed |
| 16:02.21 | rschuster | XorA: :) except you have hw mixing :) |
| 16:02.44 | josch | what can I try now? |
| 16:03.25 | jadams_ | anyone with any gprs or pppd chops care to look at this? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/T-Mobile_pppd_scripts |
| 16:03.35 | jadams_ | it's got output of a failed negotiation with t-mobile for gprs connection |
| 16:03.46 | rschuster | I would compile a mini app playing some sound through sdl-mixer and look what it does using strace, ltrace and finaly gdb :) |
| 16:03.50 | jadams_ | looks like it asks for 0.0.0.0, never gets an IP, and fails... |
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| 16:04.41 | rschuster | josch: but before that make sure the game's sound settings are ok |
| 16:05.21 | josch | okay will try again but they should be by default |
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| 16:09.59 | edistar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.00 | josch | error audio: Could not initialize audio: No available audio device |
| 16:12.04 | josch | wut?? |
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| 16:12.36 | edistar | are there any pics of the neo1973? so you can see the buttons for example? |
| 16:13.14 | kimnotyz1 | edistar: wiki?! |
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| 16:13.59 | edistar | kimnotyz1: didn't find much yet.. |
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| 16:15.17 | kimnotyz1 | edistar: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Introduction#Photos for more Photos use google |
| 16:15.37 | edistar | kimnotyz1: thx |
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| 16:15.53 | kimnotyz1 | the link is on the startpage of the wiki... |
| 16:15.54 | josch | so it doesn't matter wether pulsoaudio is on or off - I get this strange "no available audio device" error |
| 16:16.09 | josch | what can I try out? |
| 16:16.14 | kimnotyz1 | edistar: for more: http://flickr.com/search/?q=openmoko |
| 16:16.27 | edistar | kimnotyz1: how many buttons, only one or are there two volume buttons too? |
| 16:16.41 | CM | kimnotyz1: Or neo1973 :) |
| 16:17.05 | CM | edistar: There is 2 buttons on a Neo, and that's all.. :( |
| 16:17.16 | edistar | CM: which two buttons? on and aux? |
| 16:17.22 | CM | Yes, that's it |
| 16:17.55 | kimnotyz1 | edistar: look into the wiki! |
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| 16:18.35 | edistar | kimnotyz1: I did, but a friend told me just now that it had volume hw buttons, so I was a bit uncertain |
| 16:18.47 | abraxa__ | edistar: Seeing UKMP seriously makes me wonder about #1 its performance and #2 the N8xx hardware |
| 16:19.05 | edistar | abraxa__: it works too on the n770 |
| 16:19.25 | abraxa__ | N7xx as well then, whatev' |
| 16:19.40 | edistar | abraxa__: and that only has 266mhz too |
| 16:20.26 | abraxa__ | And UKMP runs fluent? That's such a kick in the nuts for OpenMoko if so. |
| 16:20.40 | edistar | abraxa__: yes.. quite |
| 16:21.28 | edistar | abraxa__: I'm testing it right now |
| 16:21.44 | abraxa__ | UKMP is similar to what I want the OM media player to be but performance on the Neo just kicks my ass over and over again |
| 16:21.56 | rschuster | well the nokia devices have a dsp doing the decoding in hw |
| 16:22.02 | edistar | true again.. |
| 16:22.08 | abraxa__ | ...okay, that explains it then |
| 16:22.12 | rschuster | the modules controlling them are proprietary (thanks nokia) |
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| 16:22.24 | rschuster | and there is - of course - no ogg vorbis :) |
| 16:22.28 | abraxa__ | rschuster: Do they do video in hw as well? |
| 16:22.57 | edistar | rschuster: there is ogg, it works on my device |
| 16:23.03 | edistar | abraxa__: yes, they do |
| 16:23.06 | rschuster | edistar: yeah but not in hw |
| 16:23.14 | rschuster | sucks you battery and all that |
| 16:23.17 | rschuster | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176 |
| 16:23.31 | abraxa__ | Okay, then I'm not so annoyed with myself anymore. |
| 16:23.39 | rschuster | people want the dsp specs for years to write their own... |
| 16:23.55 | edistar | ah, dsp-accel ogg.. thats not there I think |
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| 16:24.04 | hrw | someone use 7port usb hub? |
| 16:24.05 | rschuster | abraxa_: don't know about video |
| 16:24.29 | rschuster | abraxa__: but would make sense to at least support the main cpu with some dsp routines |
| 16:25.35 | edistar | but only if there is an OSS module for it.. |
| 16:26.21 | josch | lol no ogg |
| 16:26.29 | abraxa__ | Just bugs me when I see that projects like the UKMP are all I want the OMP to be but I can't even get flawless mp3/vorbis playback because of gstreamer and friends - despite writing in C, whereas UKMP is written in Python... |
| 16:28.01 | josch | well I'm giving up - wesnoth runs without sound |
| 16:28.32 | edistar | josch: got your pic yet? |
| 16:29.07 | josch | edistar, no foto - my camera is too bad to get a focus :-/ |
| 16:29.32 | edistar | ok ;) |
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| 16:31.30 | jadams_ | I got GPRS working with the neo1973/openmoko |
| 16:31.39 | jadams_ | works fine |
| 16:31.44 | josch | jadams_, congrats! |
| 16:32.02 | josch | jadams_, did you do it as xplained in the wiki? |
| 16:32.05 | jadams_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/T-Mobile_pppd_scripts |
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| 16:32.26 | jadams_ | josch: that didn't quite work for me |
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| 16:32.55 | josch | jadams_, did you add your solution to the wiki? |
| 16:33.06 | jadams_ | just pasted the link dude |
| 16:33.22 | edistar | what happens if you press on aux? |
| 16:33.48 | josch | jadams_, didn't know you are Knewter |
| 16:35.23 | josch | are there any other apps in openmoko using sdl-mixer? |
| 16:36.03 | kimnotyz1 | edistar: you go back to the home screen |
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| 16:36.33 | kimnotyz1 | and if you press it longer, you have a menu where you can choose between: "Toggle Fullscreen" "Swap Orientation" and "Screenshot" |
| 16:36.45 | kimnotyz1 | and it can wake up the device from standby |
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| 16:38.57 | jadams_ | anyone here used pulseaudio extensively on the neo? |
| 16:39.12 | jadams_ | when I killall pulseaudio and then pulseaudio -nC, I get no sinks or sources listed |
| 16:39.47 | NineX | re |
| 16:45.43 | zilux | jadams_: usually I type this: /etc/init.d/pulsaudio stop; /etc/init.d/pulsaudio start |
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| 16:50.06 | CIA-14 | 03mickey * r3528 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-sample2/ (24 files in 4 dirs): |
| 16:50.06 | CIA-14 | add openmoko-sample2, an autotoolized example application |
| 16:50.06 | CIA-14 | this will be used as sample project included in the toolchain |
| 16:51.10 | CIA-14 | 03mickey * r3529 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/ (9 files in 7 dirs): move fingerscroll and example into dedicated examples directory |
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| 16:56.35 | jmichel | Any ideas about why openmoko-messages2 would not build ? |
| 16:56.46 | jmichel | output is: sms-contacts.c:291: error: 'jana_gtk_utils_treeview_resize' undeclared (first use in this function) |
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| 17:00.20 | josch | anybody out there using frozen bubble or supertux with sound? |
| 17:00.31 | josch | these apps also seem to use sdl-mixer |
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| 17:01.23 | LittleIdiot | jmichel: either one of the developers checked in broken code or your gtk lib isn't the one that the application needs |
| 17:01.58 | LittleIdiot | try to check out the svn again and then run the make process again |
| 17:02.02 | josch | LittleIdiot, I heard from a lot of other people having exactly the same error |
| 17:02.34 | josch | LittleIdiot, will not work - a lot of people tried it with the same result - something in the code is broken |
| 17:02.45 | LittleIdiot | d'oh! |
| 17:03.15 | LittleIdiot | mock on him/her for commiting broken code! ;) |
| 17:04.00 | jmichel | then can I just bypass the build of this app? how ? |
| 17:04.12 | jadams_ | I'd like to see pulseaudio's remote-access module on the device.... |
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| 17:06.01 | LittleIdiot | jmichel: i don't know that, sorry.. maybe commenting out the line helps... |
| 17:06.42 | LittleIdiot | but then surely svn will say that you've changed the file locally and it will refuse to update... |
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| 17:19.38 | jmichel | LittleIdiot: I think I will wait for an update that works |
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| 17:24.10 | jmichel | Or maybe someone know how to remove an application from the build? Is there any file (.bb file?) I can modify to prevent an application from building? |
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| 17:25.39 | cbrake | how do I adjust the volume in the Media Player app? |
| 17:25.54 | cbrake | trying to play through the speakers, and the volume is pretty low |
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| 17:29.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1039 has been created by dodji(AT)openedhand.com |
| 17:29.02 | cdbot2 | * * xglamo corruption |
| 17:29.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1039 |
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| 17:32.40 | jens___ | cbrake: good question. does anybody how to globally set the sound level? is there any trick like "press aux 5 times short and then 2 time long" ;) ? |
| 17:33.09 | CoreDump | ugh |
| 17:33.13 | hrw | jens___: ARGH |
| 17:33.17 | edistar | whats that? |
| 17:33.24 | fgau | cbrake: try a fingerscroll gesture from top to buttom |
| 17:33.26 | hrw | why people use colours on irc... |
| 17:33.34 | cjb_ie | that's not colours, that's inverse |
| 17:33.43 | hrw | cjb_ie: same crap |
| 17:33.45 | hrw | ;) |
| 17:33.54 | edistar | yeah.. why and how do you do inverse? |
| 17:34.07 | jens___ | i didnt change anything... must be lastet update of my irc client ... |
| 17:34.10 | cjb_ie | hrw: nah, colours is new crap, which we can thank mIRC for - inverse etc are long-established |
| 17:34.40 | hdr | isn't there a chanmode, which forbid colors? |
| 17:34.49 | edistar | heh |
| 17:34.54 | hdr | +c or +S i think |
| 17:35.22 | edistar | jens___: now your writing is normal again, did you do anything special just now? |
| 17:35.57 | jens___ | it changed automagically ... |
| 17:36.02 | cjb_ie | edistar: he probably hit some control char at the start of his highlighted line |
| 17:36.07 | edistar | ok |
| 17:36.08 | jens___ | but back to the question... any hints? |
| 17:36.30 | cjb_ie | next we know you'll want to send texts in morse... |
| 17:37.03 | Writchie | mickeyl: ping |
| 17:37.06 | borg_ | jens___: alsamixer |
| 17:37.43 | fgau | alsamixer or with the settingsgui app |
| 17:38.05 | jens___ | borg_: that's already set to 100% and it's still quite low |
| 17:38.40 | edistar | jens___: then it'll stay low |
| 17:39.34 | jens___ | damn... hoped that was a sub sound level setting of some more global settings ;) |
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| 17:43.05 | mickeyl | Writchie: pong |
| 17:43.15 | hrw | bye |
| 17:43.17 | Writchie | can you think of any good reason not to release the new kernel mux driver code under GPL3? |
| 17:43.56 | mickeyl | Writchie: Can't see a reason. |
| 17:44.12 | mickeyl | but i'm not an licensing expert, tbh. |
| 17:44.22 | mjr | is this a question of "3 in addition to 2" or "3 only"? |
| 17:44.28 | Writchie | 3 only |
| 17:45.06 | mjr | I wouldn't use exclusively a kernel-at-large-incompatible license... |
| 17:45.07 | Writchie | I suppose it could be floated as a 3 and then later changed to a 2 if some valid opposite surfaces. |
| 17:45.07 | mickeyl | On the GMAE meeting last year, i heard that 3 has implications wrt. to LGPL, but I don't think this is a problem in kernel-space |
| 17:45.27 | so_solid_moo | gplv3 is incompatible with gplv2, surely? |
| 17:45.30 | Writchie | its pure kernel-space - although there are some utilities for testing |
| 17:45.39 | Writchie | in userland |
| 17:45.41 | mjr | so_solid_moo, indeed |
| 17:47.22 | mjr | not sure of the implications assuming that the driver can't be considered a derivative of the kernel |
| 17:47.34 | mjr | well, at least a 3-only driver wouldn't get into the mainline any time soon... |
| 17:48.11 | Writchie | mjr: well if there aren't going to be any GPL3 drivers in mainline that would be nice to know. |
| 17:49.02 | Writchie | mjr: if binary blobs are derivative why would a gpl3 be? |
| 17:49.15 | Writchie | s/are/are not/ |
| 17:51.16 | mjr | I just mentioned it as a fuzzy area. |
| 17:51.26 | Writchie | ack |
| 17:51.38 | so_solid_moo | I think mjr is right that it likely wouldn't be accepted into the mainline |
| 17:54.23 | Writchie | well since it probably belongs in mainline i guess i'll just use gpl2. The patent provisions, however, could be very useful for drivers used in mobile telephony because of the patent minefield. |
| 17:54.59 | so_solid_moo | Writchie: you could do it GPLv2+, or you could explicitly dual-license it I suppose |
| 17:55.29 | Writchie | so_solid_moo: I think the dual would defeat the patent provision. |
| 17:55.46 | so_solid_moo | Writchie: it certainly could do, yeah :/ |
| 17:55.54 | mjr | yeah I'd suggest 2+ (or 2+3 if you want to be more spesific); it doesn't have the advantages you mentioned, but it'd at least be one less thing in the way if eventually there's going to be a transition |
| 17:56.28 | cbrake | fgau: that works -- thanks. Its still a little quiet, but may be the limitation of tiny speakers |
| 17:58.47 | Writchie | i'm not sure that 2+ means anything. Seems to me the kernel license itself is 2. IANAL but I don't see how you can change terms after the fact without destroying the contract formed by the license. |
| 17:59.26 | so_solid_moo | Writchie: it does mean that if the kernel people want to upgrade later, it's one less piece of code that needs changing ;) |
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| 18:00.44 | Writchie | the possibility of future wholesale change is highly unlikely - however there could I suppose be a movement toward GPL3 drivers. |
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| 18:02.14 | Writchie | maybe best course is to try GPL3 and see what opposition forms upstream. As the copyright holder I could change it to GPL2 if necessary to get it accepted upstream. |
| 18:02.53 | Writchie | It really needs to be accepted upstream because of line discpline number and potential ioctl conflicts |
| 18:08.25 | torpor | eh |
| 18:08.37 | mjr | Writchie|lunch, *nod*, of course you can try. I'm not positive of their policy on this. |
| 18:09.01 | mjr | (merely highly certain ;) |
| 18:09.24 | mjr | the patent provisions _would_ be useful |
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| 18:11.23 | CIA-14 | 03sameo * r3530 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-atheros/ (mach-gta02_wifi.patch s3c24xx_hcd_atheros.patch): |
| 18:11.23 | CIA-14 | ar6k-atheros: More DMA work. |
| 18:11.23 | CIA-14 | We know register our DMA channel, and prepare our DMA transfer. |
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| 18:28.33 | balrog-kun | Writchie|lunch: have you gotten it to work on the Neo? |
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| 18:48.48 | torpor | whats a good fast drawing lib? |
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| 18:49.42 | anrp | what kind of drawing? |
| 18:49.47 | torpor | lines and stuff |
| 18:49.49 | torpor | basic primitives |
| 18:49.52 | anrp | 2d |
| 18:49.54 | anrp | mm |
| 18:50.03 | anrp | i dunno, sdl is pretty good |
| 18:50.03 | torpor | i have been using cairo but its hella slow .. |
| 18:50.10 | anrp | there isn't much speedup to be had on gta01 tho |
| 18:50.20 | anrp | you using aa? |
| 18:50.38 | torpor | antialiasing? nope. |
| 18:50.39 | cworth | torpor: If you can provide profiles, we can look into improving cairo. |
| 18:50.59 | torpor | cworth: the problem is floating point on the neo1973 blows anyway .. |
| 18:51.05 | torpor | cworth: what sort of profiles, tho? |
| 18:51.07 | anrp | what floating point? :P |
| 18:51.11 | cworth | torpor: Shouldn't matter at all. |
| 18:51.23 | cworth | torpor: cairo doesn't do that much with floating-point |
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| 18:51.39 | cworth | torpor: Profiles showing how much time is spent in each function, etc. |
| 18:51.48 | torpor | yeah. |
| 18:53.46 | torpor | what was the toolkit raster was raving about for drawing primitives? |
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| 18:56.35 | torpor | i'm really wishing there was a microtile array like solution under cairo .. or perhaps there is, and i'm just not up on the docs? |
| 18:57.32 | cworth | torpor: raster has written the evas canvas |
| 18:57.54 | cworth | torpor: It's quite different than cairo, (mostly concerned with raster primitives, not vectors) |
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| 18:58.17 | torpor | hmm.. |
| 18:58.28 | torpor | i guess it was evas, but i thought there was another one he was tlaking about. |
| 18:58.38 | torpor | well, i guess i'll just look at what my problem is with cairo speeds right now .. |
| 18:58.42 | cworth | torpor: Like I said, if you've got something showing an obvious performance problem, we'll be happy to work on fixing it. |
| 18:59.03 | cworth | torpor: Micro-tile array is primarily a storage optimization though? |
| 18:59.09 | torpor | cworth: i'd be happy to show you profiles but i don't have a clue how to do that under openmoko right now .. |
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| 19:00.03 | torpor | cworth: what i'm reading about microtile arrays is that they speed up redraws considerably: http://developer.gnome.org/doc/books/WGA/graphics-libart.html#AEN842 |
| 19:00.29 | cworth | torpor: There are tools like gprof that should work anywhere. Things like oprofile are nicer, (don't require special compilation of code), but do require a kernel module and I don't know the status of that with respect to the neo1973 kernel/architecture. |
| 19:01.04 | torpor | yeah, thats all a bit much for me right now .. as it is i'll just dig deeper and see if there's something else i'm doing that might be causing slowdowns .. |
| 19:01.53 | cworth | torpor: So that page talks about avoiding excessive redrawing. With cairo, if you're redrawing too much, then that's an application problem that should be fixed above cairo. |
| 19:02.15 | torpor | thats what i'm thinking... but still: no plans for such things? |
| 19:02.28 | torpor | is there a good animation-loop style example for cairo these days? |
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| 19:03.18 | cworth | torpor: Various people have been working on "canvas" layers above cairo that are careful to redraw as little as possible, (goocanvas and others for example). |
| 19:03.28 | cworth | torpor: There's really no need for something like that inside of cairo. |
| 19:03.41 | torpor | i must confess that i have not enough details about such things, but i sure would like to know how it works on neo1973 .. |
| 19:05.03 | cworth | torpor: You've got an application now, and the next step is to figure out why it's slow, (whether an application or a cairo problem). |
| 19:06.00 | torpor | is goocanvas on openmoko yet? |
| 19:10.10 | edistar | emdete: now this device.. is it possible to write that for OM? |
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| 19:58.25 | josch | yang, XXLT, torpor, rep, RedDog, psal, playya_, pH5, nosyjoe, miip, Maledikt, konqui[tm], kimnotyze, joern_, jkilb_, jens___, j_ack, ixs, Hopscotch, harzi, greentux, freezesucker, folken, Elrond, ecraven, dread, drath, chrustinho, chris^, buz, broedje, andred_, hi all! care to join our great german openmoko channel #neo1973-germany ? most of the time there is more party than here :-) |
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| 20:00.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1040 has been created by cwixon(AT)usa.net |
| 20:00.02 | cdbot2 | * * Mediaplayer adds files to a playlist in an unpredictable order |
| 20:00.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1040 |
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| 20:03.33 | balrog-kun | the germans have a party and the iphone and they didn't invite anyone else :( |
| 20:04.22 | borg_ | balrog-kun: we have a party? |
| 20:04.23 | borg_ | where? |
| 20:04.40 | josch | balrog-kun, how os the iphone involved? |
| 20:05.02 | balrog-kun | borg_: in the #neo1973-germany channel |
| 20:05.04 | josch | we could try to "blend" it ^^ |
| 20:05.29 | balrog-kun | josch: i don't know but it's mean :-) |
| 20:05.35 | josch | balrog-kun, there is always party in #neo1973-germany :-D |
| 20:05.45 | borg_ | balrog-kun: your definition of party is pretty extensive |
| 20:06.27 | buz | balrog-kun: the germans pay more for an iphone than for a laptop but nevermind :) |
| 20:06.42 | abraxa_ | Hint: There are no girls in #neo1973-germany. |
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| 20:06.56 | josch | buz, well... some brainless ****** pay this... |
| 20:07.04 | josch | abraxa_, aaahh!! |
| 20:07.11 | buz | well the reality distortion field is strong |
| 20:07.47 | balrog-kun | good ;) |
| 20:08.12 | buz | not strong enough to affect me |
| 20:08.15 | josch | are there any gals in #openmoko?? |
| 20:08.46 | oppiz | no |
| 20:08.51 | abraxa_ | lol |
| 20:08.52 | abraxa_ | Yes |
| 20:09.07 | oppiz | and if they are it is the wife or long time girlfriend of a dev. |
| 20:09.22 | buz | probably doesnt get to see him elsewhere :P |
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| 20:09.50 | oppiz | see that was one |
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| 20:14.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1041 has been created by cwixon(AT)usa.net |
| 20:14.02 | cdbot2 | * * Mediaplayer gets VBR mp3 durations incorrect |
| 20:14.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1041 |
| 20:14.38 | abraxa_ | Argh |
| 20:15.18 | josch | lol |
| 20:15.42 | CM | Hehe |
| 20:16.16 | Ebbe | Is it just me (and my Neo), or is the alsa driver broken right now? |
| 20:16.31 | Mononoke | openmoko uses mplayer code as Mediaplayer ? |
| 20:16.56 | Mononoke | cause mplayer had bug simmilar to #1041 :S |
| 20:17.12 | abraxa_ | Yeah, it's a libmad issue |
| 20:17.18 | abraxa_ | Hence my 'argh' because it's not easy to fix :) |
| 20:17.30 | Mononoke | ah *nod* |
| 20:18.58 | abraxa_ | Ebbe: Alsa works but is blocked by PulseAudio most of the time so it's unavailable to other applications |
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| 20:19.30 | Ebbe | abraxa_: Wasn't they working side by side for a while? |
| 20:20.34 | abraxa_ | Ebbe: Maybe until the point of time where touchscreen click sounds were added |
| 20:21.16 | abraxa_ | PulseAudio releases the audio device after 20 (or so) seconds - with touch screen clicks it occupies the device *right* before an application can be started :) |
| 20:22.33 | Ebbe | abraxa_: I'm a bit confused right now.. I don't have pulseaudio running, and nothing will play. I can't even start alsamixer |
| 20:22.47 | josch | abraxa_, any ideas why sdl-mixer isn't working? |
| 20:23.17 | josch | is there anyone running frozen bubble or supertux with sound? |
| 20:23.44 | abraxa_ | josch: I thought SDL can only interface Alsa, not PulseAudio |
| 20:24.20 | abraxa_ | Ebbe: Hm. I'd try removing pulseaudio from the default runlevel, reboot and see what happens then |
| 20:24.26 | josch | abraxa_, this is why I killed pulseaudio |
| 20:24.30 | abraxa_ | Maybe the audio device wasn't closed properly |
| 20:24.44 | josch | hrm.. but I can do aplay |
| 20:25.43 | abraxa_ | josch: I'd love to investigate but alas I'm *this* close to getting mplayer integrated fully so I want to finish that first ;) |
| 20:26.05 | josch | abraxa_, I wont hinder you :-D |
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| 20:28.47 | torpor | where do i get supertux or frozen bubble? |
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| 20:30.09 | josch | torpor, make build-package-supertux ? |
| 20:30.14 | Ebbe | abraxa_: Still no go. Alsamixer says: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device. Maybe I should try an old image, or acknowledge that my Neo is broken |
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| 20:30.30 | torpor | josch: is it in a repo somewhere? |
| 20:30.36 | playya_ | make sandwich |
| 20:30.56 | abraxa_ | Ebbe: Do you hear click sounds upon reboot with PulseAudio running? |
| 20:31.05 | Ebbe | No |
| 20:31.22 | abraxa_ | What date is your rootfs? |
| 20:31.30 | josch | playya_, xkcd? |
| 20:31.36 | Ebbe | abraxa_: No sounds at all. madplay, mediaplayer or pulseaudio can play |
| 20:31.49 | josch | Ebbe, I also had this issue a few weeks ago |
| 20:31.59 | torpor | okay seriously, where do i get frozen bubble? i wanna play too! |
| 20:32.24 | Ebbe | josch: And now it's gone? What did you do? |
| 20:32.30 | ewon | torpor: apt? |
| 20:32.37 | josch | Ebbe, I'm just using a newer image |
| 20:32.51 | josch | torpor, I will try to build it |
| 20:33.02 | Ebbe | I'm using the newest too.. |
| 20:33.09 | torpor | and supertux? |
| 20:33.26 | Ebbe | josch: But good to know it is software based :) |
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| 20:35.53 | Marcel_M | torpor: http://celtune.morb-design.com/ipk/armv4t/supertux_0.1.2-r1_armv4t.ipk |
| 20:36.08 | torpor | great thanks! |
| 20:36.13 | Marcel_M | np |
| 20:36.22 | torpor | installing it right now! woot! |
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| 20:38.45 | josch | NOTE: package frozen-bubble-1.0.0-r0: task do_build: completed |
| 20:39.05 | josch | and who does want frozen-bubble? |
| 20:39.11 | torpor | me! |
| 20:39.28 | josch | torpor, will upload the ipk |
| 20:40.27 | borg_ | frozen bubble could be nice |
| 20:40.59 | balrog-kun | serve chilled |
| 20:41.01 | borg_ | for turn left click on the left screen half, for turn right click on the right screen half and for fire press aux or power |
| 20:41.38 | josch | torpor, http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/frozen-bubble/ |
| 20:42.02 | borg_ | 4mb? |
| 20:42.03 | borg_ | wow |
| 20:42.07 | torpor | sweet! |
| 20:42.08 | borg_ | wasnt it just a perl script? |
| 20:42.14 | Marcel_M | tx josch! |
| 20:42.51 | josch | Marcel_M, sadly I don't habe a repo online :-( |
| 20:43.05 | josch | I have a vserver but not enough space on it |
| 20:43.41 | Marcel_M | should i put it on my rep? i would like to!! |
| 20:44.04 | josch | Marcel_M, just du it ;-) |
| 20:44.06 | CM | josch: I can have it around for a month if you want |
| 20:44.21 | josch | CM, have what around? |
| 20:44.25 | Marcel_M | ok tx! |
| 20:44.25 | CM | (then I'm moving and I don't know what line I'll have it) |
| 20:44.39 | CM | The ipkg, so people can get it. You had a slow line.. :P |
| 20:45.08 | CM | josch: But thanks, I love frozen-bubble :) |
| 20:45.40 | torpor | me too! |
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| 20:46.11 | josch | well this server surely is total crap but it's cheap ^^ |
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| 20:47.43 | torpor | root@fic-gta01:~$ ipkg install http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/frozen-bubble/frozen-bubble_1.0.0-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 20:47.47 | torpor | Downloading http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/frozen-bubble/frozen-bubble_1.0.0-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 20:47.50 | torpor | Terminatedwtf? |
| 20:47.50 | torpor | Terminated |
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| 20:47.51 | torpor | wtf? |
| 20:48.29 | josch | torpor, maybe try wget? |
| 20:48.38 | torpor | did that, same result. |
| 20:48.39 | torpor | terminated. |
| 20:48.51 | josch | ah... |
| 20:48.54 | josch | fail |
| 20:48.59 | CM | torpor: Try from http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/frozen-bubble_1.0.0-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 20:49.01 | josch | one moment will fix this |
| 20:49.11 | josch | ah okay |
| 20:49.18 | josch | then use CM's version ^^ |
| 20:49.29 | CM | My copy :) |
| 20:51.06 | torpor | ok trying it now |
| 20:51.18 | torpor | i gotta say, since i moved to a root-on-sd config, it rocks. |
| 20:51.34 | CM | Plenty of space |
| 20:51.38 | torpor | yup |
| 20:51.39 | torpor | 1gig |
| 20:51.44 | CM | I tried to get firefox working today.. Was a pain :D |
| 20:52.08 | CM | It compiled, and the ipkg installed, but segfaulted when run.. |
| 20:52.17 | torpor | probably something simple. |
| 20:52.25 | cjb_ie | that's what firefox does anyway :p |
| 20:52.26 | torpor | like missing resource files or such .. |
| 20:52.55 | CM | torpor: Yes, it complained on a default.xlt or so |
| 20:53.05 | CM | torpor: http://rafb.net/p/mcqZx555.html |
| 20:53.19 | CM | .xpm it was.. |
| 20:54.37 | torpor | whats the normal way to restart the app manager? just xserve- restart? |
| 20:56.09 | torpor | root@fic-gta01:~$ ipkg install http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/frozen-bubble_1.0.0-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 20:56.13 | torpor | Downloading http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/frozen-bubble_1.0.0-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 20:56.15 | torpor | Terminated |
| 20:56.18 | torpor | wtf? |
| 20:56.33 | josch | lol? |
| 20:56.49 | CM | Hehe.. Full disk? |
| 20:57.01 | torpor | nope |
| 20:57.28 | torpor | root@fic-gta01:~$ ipkg -V 3 install ./frozen-bubble_1.0.0-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 20:57.28 | torpor | Terminated |
| 20:57.33 | torpor | no frozen bubble for me. :( |
| 20:57.38 | CM | :-/ |
| 20:59.20 | josch | torpor, fear not |
| 20:59.31 | josch | I think my upload was incomplete |
| 20:59.47 | josch | torpor, try it out again now |
| 20:59.52 | torpor | url? |
| 20:59.54 | josch | http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/frozen-bubble/frozen-bubble_1.0.0-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 20:59.56 | CM | That explains why wget didn't complain |
| 21:00.21 | CM | 7.2mb is bigger.. ;) |
| 21:01.13 | josch | CM, wesnoth is 77MB ^^ |
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| 21:02.10 | borg_ | perhaps we could make some smaller graphics for frozen-bubble for the neo |
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| 21:02.20 | borg_ | the program itself is just a 5000 line perl script |
| 21:02.21 | borg_ | :X |
| 21:02.42 | josch | borg_, it uses perlsdl, no? |
| 21:02.52 | torpor | can't yuou just use imagemagick convert scripts to resize everything as needed? or is the code braindead and hardcoded with dimensions? |
| 21:03.12 | borg_ | dont know, but the code is a mess |
| 21:03.28 | abraxa_ | You said that already when you mentioned perl ;) |
| 21:03.50 | anrp | ooh, a dig |
| 21:04.06 | borg_ | http://homepages.upb.de/olaf/dinge/frozen-bubble.txt |
| 21:04.09 | borg_ | thats it |
| 21:04.24 | borg_ | one file, lots of function, no comments :) |
| 21:05.34 | josch | borg_, sounds great! will have a lock at it some time |
| 21:05.41 | borg_ | :P |
| 21:06.46 | torpor | argh, no perl dependency in the frozen bubble packge ! |
| 21:08.13 | borg_ | :) |
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| 21:09.47 | CM | Wtf! |
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| 21:10.10 | josch | CM, ?? |
| 21:10.14 | CM | I just wrote a live svn ebuild and it seemed to have worked on the first try :D |
| 21:10.19 | CM | For openocd that is |
| 21:10.19 | torpor | Can't locate vars.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/bin/frozen-bubble line 40. |
| 21:11.03 | josch | torpor, I'm on to it |
| 21:11.18 | torpor | perl-misc |
| 21:11.55 | josch | torpor, there is no package perl-misc |
| 21:12.42 | torpor | ther eis here |
| 21:13.20 | josch | torpor, you can do make build-package-perl-misc ? |
| 21:13.28 | josch | torpor, do you have perl installed? |
| 21:13.40 | josch | vars.pl is one of the core modules |
| 21:13.56 | torpor | yup |
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| 21:14.12 | torpor | i have perl-misc |
| 21:14.15 | torpor | but still no vars.pm |
| 21:14.34 | torpor | can you do a what provides var.pm? |
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| 21:14.37 | torpor | since you have it working. |
| 21:14.59 | josch | I don't have it working ;) |
| 21:15.06 | josch | I just compile the packages for you |
| 21:15.06 | torpor | perl-module-vars .. |
| 21:15.10 | torpor | i see. |
| 21:17.19 | torpor | ah well its not working |
| 21:17.32 | josch | I have a similar problem with mokopedia |
| 21:17.44 | josch | it's perl and appearently needs a perl module |
| 21:17.58 | josch | that I can find in no package I can build with openembedded |
| 21:18.39 | torpor | ah well |
| 21:18.42 | torpor | i'm off to bed. |
| 21:18.43 | torpor | g'night! |
| 21:18.56 | josch | gnight |
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| 21:28.11 | krLun | hello all |
| 21:28.25 | CM | Evening :) |
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| 22:21.26 | tuxi | hi |
| 22:22.37 | abraxa_ | sers |
| 22:23.03 | tuxi | wieviel kostet der versand nach deutschland? |
| 22:23.54 | CM | tuxi: Jemand ins #neo1973-germany weiß.. |
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| 22:24.45 | Mononoke | It wouldn't be bad idea to have game like this http://www.travelpod.com/traveler-iq/game1 on openmoko (just not in flash :S) |
| 22:24.55 | Mononoke | and grr I can't get over lvl 12 ;.; |
| 22:25.21 | CM | Heh, I can't even get it to run in swfdec-mozilla |
| 22:27.07 | tuxi | there should be an radio alarm that would be cool |
| 22:27.32 | josch | tuxi, using cron and aplay this is perfectly possible |
| 22:27.52 | tuxi | yeha but wifi needed |
| 22:28.50 | josch | lol @ Mononoke |
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| 22:29.59 | Vegar | that reminds me I need to get a new alarm sound on my mobile |
| 22:30.01 | CM | josch: He should add Schnappi to that list if it's not already in there.. ;) |
| 22:30.12 | Vegar | just hearing the first tones gives me the creeps |
| 22:30.31 | josch | CM, no this would be too cruel |
| 22:30.45 | Mononoke | but game of "find this place on map of world" would be good and educating |
| 22:31.53 | CM | Mononoke: Ah, I'd like a shot at that :) |
| 22:33.51 | Mononoke | CM: http://x86.sk/~social/Screenshot.png |
| 22:34.08 | CM | Mononoke: Oh, looks cool |
| 22:34.26 | zash | can one set some timer, suspend, and it wakes up again |
| 22:34.27 | CM | But that was a tricky question.. |
| 22:34.44 | CM | The Neo? I doubt that.. |
| 22:35.12 | zash | not? |
| 22:35.15 | CM | If it's in the 12Mhz slow mode it should work, but I wonder about sleep |
| 22:35.17 | Mononoke | don't think that you can set timer that would wake up machine after suspending on linux at all |
| 22:35.36 | CM | Well, if there was an external timer that sent an interrupt, it would work |
| 22:35.55 | zash | but, on my old nokia i can set an alarm and then turn the phone off |
| 22:36.02 | zash | and it wakes up |
| 22:36.13 | CM | It has a separate chip for that |
| 22:36.47 | CM | Can't remember for sure, but I think that was discussed about a year ago, and someone said that there was no timer chip on it. IIRC.. |
| 22:37.13 | zash | well, that sucks |
| 22:37.31 | wildfire | Mononoke, but isn't music relaxing? surely cat /dev/urandom > /dev/audio what guarantee you would wake up? |
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| 22:37.51 | zash | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 22:38.14 | Mononoke | wildfire: heh it's same as listening to some ambient noise music :) |
| 22:38.27 | ljp | wow, man th elights! |
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| 22:40.20 | CM | CM: Tried to search the logs.. SpeedEvil knows more about it but I didn't find the particular discussion I was thinking of. |
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| 22:45.19 | krzyduck | hello everybody |
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| 22:46.35 | Vegar | CM: so the neo can't be used as an alarm clock? |
| 22:47.02 | CM | Vegar: Well, not if you power it off I guess.. |
| 22:47.13 | Vegar | CM: if it's suspended |
| 22:47.57 | CM | Not if it doesn't have an auxilary chip that can interrupt the suspended state |
| 22:48.09 | CM | the gsm modem can wake it up.. But I don't know if there's a timer |
| 22:48.27 | Vegar | I bet SpeedEvil would know |
| 22:48.40 | mjr | I'd find it a bit insane if it didn't have a timer |
| 22:48.45 | CM | Yes, he's been talking about it before |
| 22:48.56 | mjr | no idea of course what's the actual situation |
| 22:49.07 | abraxa_ | zash: Judging by the S3C manual, the built-in RTC can wake up the power management: "The RTC generates an alarm signal at a specified time in the power-off mode or normal operation mode. In normal operation mode, the alarm interrupt (ALMINT) is activated. In the power-off mode, the power management wakeup (PMWKUP) signal is activated as well as the ALMINT." |
| 22:49.23 | CM | abraxa_: Oh, that's good! :D |
| 22:49.24 | abraxa_ | Now whether that's a synonym for waking up the CPU from suspend I do not know. |
| 22:49.35 | CM | It sounds like it.. |
| 22:49.43 | Vegar | nice |
| 22:50.11 | CM | Guess powermanagement has to work first though.. ;) |
| 22:50.24 | Vegar | that's just details |
| 22:50.26 | abraxa_ | Yeah but at least it does seem possible :) |
| 22:50.30 | abraxa_ | Good night, CM |
| 22:50.41 | zash | nn cm |
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| 22:55.30 | LaF0rge | abraxa: we only use the rtc in the pcf50606/pcf50633, not the cpu |
| 22:57.40 | Vegar | LaF0rge: so it's possible to wake it from suspend? |
| 22:58.46 | Writchie | Yes - but with only one second resolution IIRC. |
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| 22:59.00 | josch | isn't this enough? |
| 22:59.09 | Writchie | depends what you want to do. |
| 22:59.26 | Writchie | if you want to check something 10 times a second its not enuf. |
| 23:00.01 | Writchie | don't know if pcf50633 is any different - no public spec sheet yet. |
| 23:00.03 | LaF0rge | vegar: yes, obviously the PMU can wake the cpu on alarm. IIRC that should actually be already implemented |
| 23:00.10 | nelson | Y'know, I thought at first that the soapbar format was going to be REALLY FUGLY. |
| 23:00.10 | Vegar | cool |
| 23:00.18 | LaF0rge | pcf50633 public spec sheet: I need to remind nxp about that |
| 23:00.19 | nelson | But you get used to it, and it's not bad. |
| 23:00.39 | LaF0rge | writchie: if you want sub-second wakeups, then you don't want to go into full suspend-to-ram and resume-from-ram anyway |
| 23:00.39 | Writchie | i assume its pretty similar except for USB power supply |
| 23:01.02 | LaF0rge | writchie: the latency of that process is likely longer than your sleep interval. in that case you want to use CLK SLOW mode of the s3c24xx |
| 23:01.04 | Writchie | i was think of these wakeup being process between interrupt and before resume |
| 23:01.55 | Writchie | i'm hoping we get resume to under 1 second 2 worst case - OLPC guys IIRC are a couple of hundres ms |
| 23:02.16 | Writchie | slow mode is just too much power. |
| 23:02.36 | LaF0rge | writchie: suspend/resume will take a long time. you need to actually boot from nand in the resume case |
| 23:02.39 | Writchie | i'm think of not even coming out of self refresh for some of it. |
| 23:02.55 | CM | Writchie: The tests olpd did showed aroun 10ms on an ipaq, and they hoped to get to around 30-35 on the XO |
| 23:02.56 | LaF0rge | i.e. the bootloader gets loaded from nand flash, and in the bootloader we notice that it's resume and not regular power on, then jump into kernel |
| 23:03.17 | Writchie | yes - but it should only be each drive re-initializing its hardware. |
| 23:03.27 | Writchie | s/drive/driver/ |
| 23:03.56 | LaF0rge | and that re-initialization is also quite expensive, especially with all the fancy new stuff like smedia glamo, ... |
| 23:04.01 | Vegar | that sounds like suspend to disk |
| 23:04.28 | Writchie | mobile driver really need to be designed so that its hardware state can be quickly restored. |
| 23:04.49 | Writchie | without any probe or sleep bs |
| 23:05.16 | LaF0rge | writchie: oh please tell that the hardware vendors that come up with chip designs that ave funny ordering restraints with regard to how and when you initialize register state ;) |
| 23:06.06 | Writchie | i'm not aware of any of these on the order of much more than 1ms - but i'm sure you know better. |
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| 23:06.28 | Writchie | display can be special case. |
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| 23:07.05 | Writchie | personally I don't like the samsung approach - I prefer just a static stop - all the arms IIRC are static designs. |
| 23:07.55 | Writchie | the biggest problem seems to be that the samsung doesn't meet the spec for a host controller regarding wakeup |
| 23:08.20 | Writchie | AFAIK |
| 23:08.22 | Writchie | from the docs |
| 23:08.59 | LaF0rge | well, as you know, I'm a mere volunteer these days. |
| 23:09.27 | Writchie | u happy about the relative peace? |
| 23:09.48 | LaF0rge | sorry? |
| 23:10.04 | Writchie | are you happy being out of the firing line? |
| 23:10.16 | Writchie | and pressure cooker |
| 23:10.20 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: hi, means you only work 10 hours a day these days? ;) |
| 23:10.29 | Writchie | only 10? |
| 23:10.40 | stefan_schmidt | Writchie: Holiday? ;) |
| 23:10.42 | LaF0rge | yes and now. Personally, I'm happy. For the project, I have severe doubts about its future :/ |
| 23:11.03 | Writchie | things always take longer and cost more. |
| 23:11.05 | LaF0rge | stefan: well, I work 0 paid hours (maybe 1-2 on average) these days. |
| 23:11.22 | LaF0rge | writchie: it's not about that. if it was only that, I'd still be there |
| 23:11.36 | stefan_schmidt | LaF0rge: I'm not talking about paid hours. I know you are job-less :) |
| 23:12.08 | Writchie | I can image lots of possibilities |
| 23:12.11 | LaF0rge | right now I'm trying to find out why there is 7.7% packet loss of TCP ACK packets in my SDSL internet uplink ;) |
| 23:13.16 | stefan_schmidt | Still sucking upstream, 1Mbit, but down is 16Mbit :) |
| 23:13.17 | Writchie | LaFOrge: BTW i'm just finishing up a kernel mode mux - should release it soon - I now agree with you about it being in the Kernel |
| 23:13.34 | stefan_schmidt | Good improvement from 768/128 |
| 23:14.13 | stefan_schmidt | Writchie: Cool, generic enough for all the different chips outside? |
| 23:14.21 | Writchie | eventually |
| 23:14.35 | stefan_schmidt | Writchie: Of course I'm asking with the Motorola EZX neptune one in mind. :) |
| 23:14.48 | Writchie | first it will do 100% of the standard, old and new, then the motorola funkies |
| 23:15.01 | alphaone | Guys, chill |
| 23:15.11 | stefan_schmidt | Writchie: Good approach. If you start with non-standard it gets a mess |
| 23:15.30 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: Like you? |
| 23:15.31 | Writchie | once its solid for the standard then people can patch it up |
| 23:15.46 | Writchie | it does both end of the protocol as well |
| 23:16.11 | stefan_schmidt | Writchie: Sounds reasonable to me |
| 23:16.41 | stefan_schmidt | Writchie: Until now I never saw the GSM chip side |
| 23:17.16 | Writchie | it mostly symmetrical but the TE side starts things up. |
| 23:17.47 | Writchie | and the MS side has extra control for carrier detect and incoming call. |
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| 23:18.31 | stefan_schmidt | Writchie: Ah, it's quite some time I had a look at TS07.10 it seems. :) |
| 23:19.44 | Writchie | i still think that some applications may need to export a mux - especially with new euro initiatives for using AT commands on all portable devices to assistive technology for people with disabilities. |
| 23:20.34 | peepsalot | hi, so I read that the display on the neo can do 262k color, which I guess means 18bit. I'm wondering what the best format would be for storing images for dislpay on the neo. is it very CPU intensive to downsample from 24bit images? |
| 23:20.36 | stefan_schmidt | Writchie: Have you written the mux driver for something special in mind? |
| 23:20.51 | Writchie | neo and its successors |
| 23:21.13 | stefan_schmidt | Writchie: Really? That's indeed a really nice contribution then. |
| 23:21.38 | stefan_schmidt | Writchie: I thought you were working in a similar area. |
| 23:21.51 | balrog-kun | peepsalot: not very expensive, it's two shifts per pixel, but still you have to process every pixel |
| 23:22.10 | balrog-kun | peepsalot: i think you won't notice a difference between 16- and 18-bit at this resolution |
| 23:23.03 | peepsalot | ok, i'm considering trying to develop a rather simple application. but need to have a lot of images cached and displaying rapidly. just trying to think how I would go about it |
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| 23:23.59 | balrog-kun | i don't remember if the s3c lcd controller can maybe downsample on-the-fly |
| 23:24.45 | peepsalot | i wonder how good neo hardware would be at animating a rotating svg file. |
| 23:25.14 | mickeyl | accurate as hell, but slow as well |
| 23:25.16 | mickeyl | rhyme... |
| 23:26.02 | peepsalot | ok, so that's why I'm thinking i would need to basically precompute the frames and store them |
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| 23:27.26 | peepsalot | but would displaying, say for example PNGs be much faster than svg? |
| 23:27.59 | peepsalot | i just want the animation to be as smooth as possible |
| 23:28.44 | stefan_schmidt | peepsalot: Sounds like to are looking for using EFL :) |
| 23:29.26 | mickeyl | someone mentioned EFL? |
| 23:29.28 | mickeyl | :D |
| 23:29.33 | abraxa_ | lol |
| 23:29.39 | stefan_schmidt | err, no, nobody |
| 23:29.48 | mickeyl | darn |
| 23:30.21 | peepsalot | does EFL require E17 or whatever it's called? can I use EFL under GTK? |
| 23:30.28 | balrog-kun | peepsalot: it really depends, svg might be faster for simple enough images |
| 23:30.42 | stefan_schmidt | buh, that was tight |
| 23:31.38 | stefan_schmidt | peepsalot: You can use it in X so no problem. But you need the libraries installed. |
| 23:32.00 | stefan_schmidt | peepsalot: I think it would help if you could tell use what you like to write. If possible. |
| 23:32.18 | Writchie | and at what frame rate |
| 23:32.45 | stefan_schmidt | yeah |
| 23:33.13 | mickeyl | peepsalot: EFL is just a set of libraries working on X or a naked framebuffer or directFB or SDL or what not |
| 23:33.17 | peepsalot | i want to write a "TouchPadLock" where one can use their finger to spin the wheel and look as realistic as possible, simulating a MasterLock for example |
| 23:33.33 | mickeyl | peepsalot: that sounds like a good job for EFL. give it a try |
| 23:33.41 | mickeyl | in particular, edje |
| 23:36.26 | peepsalot | so are the EFL libraries currently supported on openmoko / neo ? |
| 23:38.42 | mickeyl | yes, they build fine |
| 23:38.52 | mickeyl | they're not part of the default install, since nothing uses them |
| 23:38.54 | mickeyl | yet... |
| 23:39.00 | mickeyl | but they're in the feed |
| 23:39.07 | abraxa_ | (and on his wish list ;) |
| 23:39.23 | Writchie | are they LGPL? |
| 23:39.24 | mickeyl | indeed |
| 23:39.32 | mickeyl | BSD iirc |
| 23:39.35 | mickeyl | so even more open |
| 23:39.37 | Crofton|home | peepsalot, create a rotary dialer while you are at it :) |
| 23:39.39 | Writchie | cool |
| 23:39.45 | mickeyl | yep |
| 23:39.54 | mickeyl | next-gen UI toolkits, as I like to call them |
| 23:40.01 | mickeyl | ~kill old style UI kits |
| 23:40.02 | apt | ACTION shoots a excited graviton gun at old style UI kits |
| 23:41.24 | Writchie | and add + * and # to it ;) |
| 23:41.31 | stefan_schmidt | Crofton|home: You mean the dialer from old-school landline phones? |
| 23:41.37 | Crofton|home | http://www.rotarydialphones.com/ |
| 23:41.39 | Crofton|home | yeah |
| 23:41.54 | Crofton|home | I desparately want a cell phone with one |
| 23:41.59 | peepsalot | Crofton|home, yeah my family had a rotary phone back in the day |
| 23:42.02 | Crofton|home | so I can show it to my parents etc |
| 23:42.13 | stefan_schmidt | But my dad worked for a big telco, so we have tons of old phones. |
| 23:42.56 | mmontour | Crofton|home: You'd also need one of these: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/8928/ |
| 23:43.07 | balrog-kun | i had one at home maybe three or four years ago still, big, heavy, black |
| 23:43.15 | balrog-kun | and *really* loud when it ringed |
| 23:43.34 | Crofton|home | cool, I had seen one of those with a cord, but not the bluetooth version |
| 23:43.42 | Writchie | model 500 was last one in U.S., 308 before that IIRC |
| 23:44.04 | Writchie | except there was a rotary "princess" phone as well |
| 23:44.07 | peepsalot | hey i've got an idea! |
| 23:44.13 | Crofton|home | does the neo have bluetooth? |
| 23:44.20 | peepsalot | what about a USB rotary dialer HID? |
| 23:44.33 | Writchie | there are already BT in a old handset (with no cord) |
| 23:44.46 | Writchie | if you want to freak people out |
| 23:45.26 | mmontour | Crofton|home: yes, the Neo has bluetooth |
| 23:45.39 | mickey|zzZZzz | g'night |
| 23:46.25 | Crofton|home | excellent, a neo, with rotary dialer, retro handset, and 850 MHz and I am set! |
| 23:46.56 | stefan_schmidt | night mickey|zzZZzz |
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| 23:48.37 | peepsalot | hmm, i bet it wouldn't be too hard to convert a rotary dialer to USB. take circuit from usb keyboard, program a PIC to count the pulses from the rotary, and have it activate the siwtches for the digit keys |
| 23:49.42 | Crofton|home | I will settle for teh dialer on teh screen, and have the clicking sound :) |
| 23:50.13 | Writchie | ten pulses per second to be realistic. |
| 23:50.30 | Writchie | and generate 150 volt spike on like for good measure. |
| 23:50.35 | Writchie | s/like/line/ |
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| 23:57.39 | King_InuYasha | is there a way to boot from Windows Mobile into OpenMoko? |
