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| 00:16.51 | abraxa_ | josch: Do you mean "second floor" or "zweiter Stock"? |
| 00:17.31 | josch | abraxa_, oh... where's the difference? |
| 00:17.43 | josch | ah "zweiter stock" is third floor isn't it? |
| 00:18.05 | josch | I mean "zweites stockwerk" :-D |
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| 00:20.38 | balrog-kun | how's the aerodynamics of the neo1973? |
| 00:21.58 | abraxa_ | josch: Yeah, US folks add one :) |
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| 00:23.41 | balrog-kun | that's like fortran vs. C arrays |
| 00:23.55 | josch | balrog-kun, no, I will not do any additional tests ^^ |
| 00:23.56 | Writchie | Europe is 0 based |
| 00:24.56 | Writchie | US emergency dial number is 911 but it has to be said as Nine One One. |
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| 00:25.38 | Writchie | people actually failed to summon help becaue they couldn't find the eleven key on the dial telephone ;) |
| 00:25.42 | SirBob1701 | Hi all hows it going |
| 00:26.01 | abraxa_ | rofl Writchie |
| 00:26.03 | balrog-kun | heh |
| 00:26.07 | abraxa_ | Heya Sir Bob |
| 00:26.11 | Writchie | true story |
| 00:26.29 | Writchie | the same reason telephone layout is opposite from adding machine. |
| 00:26.40 | abraxa_ | Eh? |
| 00:26.44 | josch | omg? |
| 00:26.52 | abraxa_ | And yeah, I wondered about that |
| 00:26.55 | josch | xplain |
| 00:27.53 | Writchie | only 5% of US knew how to use an adding machine - they were smart enuf to change - the rest as measured by test were too freaked out by the adding machine layout. |
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| 00:29.43 | abraxa_ | And that's beneficial...why? |
| 00:30.21 | Writchie | people expert in adding machines could dial a 7 digit number in about 1.5 seconds. |
| 00:31.28 | SirBob1701 | ... why do you know that |
| 00:31.43 | balrog-kun | proabbly using voice dialling |
| 00:31.44 | Writchie | something to do with the grey hairs |
| 00:32.01 | SirBob1701 | Hey i have gray hair and i'm 21 so that mean i'm a genius |
| 00:32.04 | Writchie | fortran array is probably correct. |
| 00:32.48 | Writchie | you count elements as natural numbers. |
| 00:33.40 | Writchie | and the sense switches on an IBM 1620 were numbered 1 - 6 |
| 00:34.04 | abraxa_ | 1620... |
| 00:34.14 | abraxa_ | Writchie, you must be a Methusalem =( |
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| 00:34.57 | Writchie | and its sexadecimal |
| 00:35.14 | Writchie | and giga has a "j" at the front |
| 00:35.19 | josch | not sexagesimal? |
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| 00:56.36 | Writchie | nah, I didn't start till Fortran II |
| 01:04.23 | Crofton|home | 6800 machine language |
| 01:04.54 | Writchie | 8008 hand assembly - much later than Fortran II |
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| 01:16.59 | mwester | 8008 Altair? |
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| 01:23.20 | SpeedEvil | I think I took an ASR/33 apart once. |
| 01:23.29 | SpeedEvil | I was about 8 |
| 01:23.41 | Writchie | i rember a model 15 |
| 01:23.59 | Writchie | IIRC |
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| 01:28.14 | Writchie | which could be tried by looking at it the wrong way! |
| 01:28.52 | Writchie | /s/tried/fried/ |
| 01:29.06 | Writchie | s/tried/fried/ |
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| 01:30.54 | mwester | :) ASR-33 -- yep, I carted one of those off when the college replaced them with DecWriters -- which could work at a blazing 1200 baud!!! I had the ASR-33 in my apartment for a few years. |
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| 03:23.47 | CIA-14 | 03tick * r3518 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/include/gsmd/Makefile.am: [gsmd] make "make dist" correctly |
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| 03:56.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1030 has been created by tick(AT)openmoko.com |
| 03:56.02 | cdbot2 | * * ill-placed get_imsi |
| 03:56.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1030 |
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| 05:15.23 | CVirus | gtg |
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| 05:28.51 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 05:51.13 | CM | Morning :) |
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| 06:17.20 | NineX | ave |
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| 07:05.32 | daMaestro | anyone got video playback working? |
| 07:05.42 | daMaestro | i'm finally taking the time to configure my mythtv setup |
| 07:06.17 | daMaestro | i'd like to develop something like http://www.myth2ipod.com/ for the neo1973 |
| 07:07.06 | CM | daMaestro: I think abraxa_ had qvga video working partially, but there was some issues when switching back to vga iirc |
| 07:07.21 | CM | It's not fast enough for full vga |
| 07:08.15 | daMaestro | yeah, i think with a unique profile.. video could be re-encoded to work pretty well |
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| 07:08.50 | CM | Yes. Maybe rotate it when encoding it too |
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| 07:09.04 | CM | Is there any kind of standard for that? |
| 07:09.06 | daMaestro | +1 |
| 07:09.14 | daMaestro | for re-encoding? |
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| 07:11.23 | abraxa_ | daMaestro: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Video_Player has some hints |
| 07:11.24 | daMaestro | mencoder -vf rotate=1 -o goodness.avi -oac copy -ovc lavc old.avi |
| 07:11.29 | daMaestro | for example. |
| 07:13.09 | daMaestro | nice, so it's totally duable |
| 07:13.14 | daMaestro | hmmm doable* |
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| 07:14.30 | CM | :) |
| 07:14.35 | daMaestro | myth2neo should be fun |
| 07:14.41 | CM | abraxa_: Good morning, up early today |
| 07:14.53 | daMaestro | i'm still sorting out my myth setup; seeing as how I only have a pvr-150... but i |
| 07:15.13 | daMaestro | 'll be working on getting my neo able to play shows (makes the transit during the day much better) |
| 07:17.04 | daMaestro | mwester, using user jobs and nuvexport? |
| 07:18.04 | mwester | user jobs for both, nuvexport is used by myth2ipod -- but I think that tablet-encode can read a .nuv file directly (I'll have to look at the code to be sure). |
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| 07:18.40 | blindcoder | moin |
| 07:19.45 | CM | daMaestro: I have a pvr-150 too, but haven't even plugged it in yet. %) |
| 07:19.52 | mwester | The iPod is strange, and needs transcoding, but I think the N800 with mplayer can take the mpg directly. So I'm hoping that I can set up a recording profile with the correct audio and video parameters to just record directly to something the N800 can read. I expect the Neo would be more similar to the N800 with mplayer than the iPod. |
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| 07:20.46 | daMaestro | yeah, i'm running f8 |
| 07:21.15 | daMaestro | mythfrontend doesn't play nice with compiz.. but it's one click off to make the frontend work |
| 07:21.19 | mwester | Is f8 released yet? |
| 07:21.30 | daMaestro | yeah, couple weeks ago now |
| 07:21.47 | mwester | Darn. I just loaded a scratch system with F7 this evening. |
| 07:21.56 | mwester | I could have had a F8! |
| 07:21.59 | mwester | :p :D |
| 07:22.19 | daMaestro | hmmm it seems the transcode didn't de-interlace |
| 07:22.23 | daMaestro | lame /me tries to fix |
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| 08:17.42 | josch | root@fic-gta01:~$ /etc/init.d/gsmd start |
| 08:17.43 | josch | Starting GSM daemon: gsmd. |
| 08:17.43 | josch | root@fic-gta01:~$ libgsmd-tool -m shell |
| 08:17.43 | josch | libgsm-tool - (C) 2006 by Harald Welte |
| 08:17.43 | josch | This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY |
| 08:17.43 | josch | Can't connect to gsmd |
| 08:17.46 | josch | wut?? |
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| 08:18.53 | CIA-14 | 03tick * r3519 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (7 files in 5 dirs): gsmd: Refactorying get_imsi from PHONEBOOK to PHONE (tick) |
| 08:20.11 | tick | josch, you may "cat /tmp/gsmd" and see if gsmd is ok or not |
| 08:20.33 | josch | not existant |
| 08:21.09 | josch | root@fic-gta01:~$ cat /tmp/gsm.log |
| 08:21.09 | josch | /usr/sbin/gsmd already running. |
| 08:21.09 | josch | 1119 |
| 08:21.25 | Stephmw | there's probably a pid file somewhere |
| 08:21.35 | josch | root@fic-gta01:~$ ps -e | grep gsm |
| 08:21.35 | josch | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.11 | tick | josch, :P sorry it's /tmp/gsm.log :P |
| 08:23.15 | josch | np |
| 08:23.31 | josch | but it seems to be up and running |
| 08:24.55 | josch | I now replaced libgsmd-devel with the normal libgsmd but no success |
| 08:25.59 | tick | josch, which gsmd SVN version do you use? |
| 08:27.46 | josch | libgsmd 3451 |
| 08:28.24 | josch | ah no libgsmd_0.1+svnr3430-r37 |
| 08:28.45 | josch | downloaded from buildhost.openmoko.org |
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| 08:30.07 | josch | tick, what can I try out now? another revision? |
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| 08:30.47 | tick | josch, maybe current SVN version |
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| 08:31.54 | josch | tick, can the error be produced by other packages than libgsmd? |
| 08:32.11 | josch | I don't know the internals very well |
| 08:37.09 | tick | josch, what's the status of /tmp/gsm.log of your phone? |
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| 08:37.45 | josch | tick, works now! |
| 08:37.53 | josch | Upgrading libgsmd on root from 0.1+svnr3430-r37 to 0.1+svnr3451-r39 |
| 08:38.33 | josch | now also /tmp/gsmd.log looks correctly |
| 08:38.46 | josch | with all the AT debug output |
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| 08:44.58 | tick | josch, Oh~ If this happens again in new version, please file a bug on bugzilla. Thanks. |
| 08:45.48 | josch | jop |
| 08:46.16 | tick | Thanks :-) |
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| 08:59.16 | ScaredyCat | w00t! |
| 08:59.28 | ScaredyCat | my neo is still on from yesterday evening! |
| 08:59.44 | CM | ScaredyCat: Nice :) |
| 09:00.54 | ScaredyCat | I think the batery monitor might be lying though :) |
| 09:01.46 | CM | I'm happy as long as it doesn't crash.. ;) |
| 09:02.36 | ScaredyCat | borg_ s moded neod has died though |
| 09:02.39 | ScaredyCat | modded |
| 09:02.44 | josch | ScaredyCat, what does cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/battvolt say? |
| 09:02.45 | doc|home | a whole 24 hours? magic! :) |
| 09:03.09 | ScaredyCat | josch: I don't know - have you tried typing on that tiny keyboard! |
| 09:03.24 | ScaredyCat | doc|home: not yet |
| 09:03.31 | ScaredyCat | from 4pm yesterday... |
| 09:03.41 | ScaredyCat | was in my bad on, forgot about it :) |
| 09:03.43 | josch | ScaredyCat, that is what tab is for ^^ |
| 09:03.45 | ScaredyCat | bag |
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| 09:04.24 | doc|home | what's the minimum it could be before it gets shipped, two days? |
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| 09:04.45 | NineX | someone know did openmoko webshop acceptink visa virtual cards? |
| 09:04.46 | ScaredyCat | aahh neod hadn't crashed, was pushed to the background - lol |
| 09:06.47 | doc|home | ScaredyCat: by the way, get os2008 yet? :) |
| 09:10.31 | ScaredyCat | huh?! |
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| 09:12.10 | ScaredyCat | borg_: ping |
| 09:12.20 | doc|home | wasn't it you who "suggested" getting a nokia n800? |
| 09:13.48 | ScaredyCat | oh, sorry, not swithed my brain on yet.. |
| 09:13.55 | ScaredyCat | you like it ? :) |
| 09:14.06 | doc|home | yeah, lots :) |
| 09:14.13 | doc|home | and you know os2008 is out now? |
| 09:14.17 | doc|home | it's even nicer |
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| 09:14.30 | doc|home | (in beta for n800) |
| 09:14.31 | _buz | mwester: was suggesting it last night (after me considering to get it) |
| 09:14.37 | ScaredyCat | not seen it tbh ... I only have 770 |
| 09:14.42 | doc|home | ScaredyCat: ah, ok |
| 09:14.49 | doc|home | _buz: an n800? |
| 09:14.53 | _buz | yeah |
| 09:14.58 | _buz | supposedly quite good |
| 09:15.02 | _buz | (if you dont need the gsm) |
| 09:15.04 | doc|home | I'm happy with it :) |
| 09:15.08 | doc|home | yep, exactly |
| 09:15.30 | doc|home | still want a neo, not sure why now though, this does what I was hoping the neo would |
| 09:15.38 | ScaredyCat | gsm? 800 has no gsm iirc |
| 09:15.54 | _buz | ScaredyCat: which is why i said if you dont need gsm :) |
| 09:16.09 | doc|home | heh, the gta02 might not have gsm for me either :) |
| 09:16.19 | ScaredyCat | yeah, quite good, if you don't need to fly to the moon |
| 09:17.38 | _buz | is anyone running OM on n800 anyway? |
| 09:18.22 | doc|home | someone is, but I wouldn't, why bother? OM isn't really functional enough yet |
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| 09:30.17 | josch | hrm... I understand that openembedded distributions like openzaurus and angstrom are made for handhelds and not for phones like openmoko but GPE is for phones - so why two distros for the same purpose? what's the difference? |
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| 09:30.52 | josch | I mean G(PE)² of course |
| 09:31.55 | _buz | different people behind it |
| 09:34.08 | _buz | to complete things even further, there's also qtopia which is mostly an userland though and can actually run on the openmoko distro |
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| 09:42.33 | balrog-kun | on openmoko distro? qtopia is more like a distro of its own |
| 09:43.13 | ScaredyCat | qtopia is an app |
| 09:43.23 | ScaredyCat | it uses the same kernel as openmoko |
| 09:43.48 | _buz | it comes as its own image, but its really just openmoko kernel+libs with qtopia instead of gtk gui |
| 09:43.57 | balrog-kun | ScaredyCat: no, it can use any kernel for a given device |
| 09:44.20 | balrog-kun | it has most of its own libs |
| 09:44.34 | balrog-kun | afaik it doesn't use any part of openmoko |
| 09:46.24 | josch | did anybody run wesnoth on openmoko? |
| 09:46.29 | _buz | depends what you consider openmoko to be. if openmoko is primarily the gui to you, then yes. if openmoko however is a complete distro, then it at the very least uses the kernel |
| 09:49.35 | balrog-kun | _buz: ok |
| 09:49.53 | balrog-kun | i think i don't consider kernels to be part of distros, even if they come with default ones |
| 09:51.59 | xcasex | interesting, does the qtopia dialer work with the neo? |
| 09:52.08 | _buz | i'm told it does |
| 09:52.19 | ScaredyCat | it does |
| 09:52.26 | xcasex | and how about gpe2? |
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| 10:01.52 | josch | +1 to xcasex's question |
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| 10:04.51 | xcasex | otoh i'm very into moko since you guys got carsten on board :p |
| 10:05.12 | CM | xcasex: I'm sure efl is in the future :) |
| 10:05.19 | xcasex | which is mostly what sealed the deal for us as a company since we believe a lot in his capability to produce ass kicking graphics ;) |
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| 10:17.15 | ScaredyCat | ok, < 24 hours, but still 18.... getting better |
| 10:17.24 | ScaredyCat | neo just powered off |
| 10:17.54 | CM | That's usable if you charge it every night |
| 10:18.37 | ScaredyCat | yup |
| 10:19.50 | balrog-kun | ScaredyCat: 18 hours on battery, no cable connected? |
| 10:20.33 | emdete | ScaredyCat: can you tell more? how did you do that? |
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| 10:23.15 | ScaredyCat | what? |
| 10:23.22 | ScaredyCat | yes, 18 hours, no cable... |
| 10:23.33 | ScaredyCat | emdete: turn on power management |
| 10:23.36 | emdete | how? mine lasts max 2h |
| 10:23.52 | emdete | how? |
| 10:23.55 | ScaredyCat | press and hold the power button, you get a menu |
| 10:23.57 | CM | emdete: What kernel do you have? |
| 10:24.08 | balrog-kun | emdete: mine lasts 2h when connected to power... |
| 10:24.13 | ScaredyCat | select the power management drop down |
| 10:24.30 | balrog-kun | perhaps 20min with no cable |
| 10:24.52 | IfWorkCouldKill | Is there a way to open the menu in qqemu? |
| 10:24.54 | emdete | CM: 2.6.22.5-moko11-r2 |
| 10:25.18 | CM | Hmm.. I think that's fairly old? Isn't it up to -r9 now? |
| 10:25.23 | emdete | ScaredyCat: i have no gui for now ;) what happens behind the menu? |
| 10:25.34 | ScaredyCat | what! |
| 10:25.47 | CM | What kernel do you run on it now? |
| 10:26.07 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3238-r9-neo1973.bin |
| 10:26.15 | emdete | right now none, i forgot it at home :( |
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| 10:26.51 | ScaredyCat | sadly it didn't power off before completely flattening the battery |
| 10:26.53 | emdete | okay, will flash that one this evening. but what happens behind the pm from menu? |
| 10:27.01 | ScaredyCat | pm stuff |
| 10:27.02 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 10:27.28 | ScaredyCat | screen dims and / or powers off |
| 10:27.49 | emdete | ah, just found it - was in a difference pocket... ;) |
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| 10:36.53 | rob_w | dear all .. iam trying to use the "overlay" mechanic same as openmoko does , but yet it doesnt find my custom bb files i place inside my overlay .. i do export this overlay at BBPATH .. what do i miss here ? |
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| 10:39.40 | emdete | ScaredyCat: okay, flashed the kernel, everything's fine (even bt works again ;) ) |
| 10:40.25 | ScaredyCat | if you flash mine + the rootfs you'll also get borg_'s updated neod with the funcky lock |
| 10:40.30 | ScaredyCat | funky |
| 10:41.45 | ScaredyCat | rob_w: have you added your local overlay too? |
| 10:42.19 | emdete | :D nice, will check that soon... but currently i am more interested in my curses ui ;) |
| 10:42.19 | rob_w | ScaredyCat: in BBPATH or where ? |
| 10:42.21 | ScaredyCat | in site.conf ? |
| 10:42.26 | ScaredyCat | eg: BBFILES := "${OMDIR}/openembedded/packages/*/*.bb ${OMDIR}/local/packages/*/*.bb" |
| 10:42.27 | rob_w | no |
| 10:42.42 | rob_w | ScaredyCat: right ..thats missing .. |
| 10:42.59 | rob_w | i tryed it before but used a wrong delimiter at BBFILES |
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| 10:44.40 | rob_w | Thanks ScaredyCat that was a good one |
| 10:46.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1031 has been created by willie_chen(AT)openmoko.com |
| 10:46.02 | cdbot2 | * * No SD driver on gta02 |
| 10:46.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1031 |
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| 10:46.19 | rob_w | i wonder why BBFILES is also not using ":" as delimiter .. |
| 10:48.19 | CM | some ebuild heritage maybe? |
| 10:48.49 | ScaredyCat | CM meant 'some gento shite maybe' |
| 10:48.53 | ScaredyCat | o |
| 10:49.00 | CM | ScaredyCat: :P |
| 10:49.10 | rob_w | oh oh a flamewar .. thats not my fault , dudes |
| 10:49.26 | ScaredyCat | naaa... he knows I'm right :P |
| 10:50.05 | rob_w | ScaredyCat: so just read the powermanagement greatly improved on the gta .. thats good to hear |
| 10:50.17 | CM | ~curse ScaredyCat for maybe including some truth in his accusations |
| 10:50.18 | apt | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, ScaredyCat for maybe including some truth in his accusations ! |
| 10:50.22 | ScaredyCat | yeah, I got 18 hours before it died |
| 10:52.02 | ScaredyCat | that's a bit harsh.... being reincarnated as a wibders admin :/ |
| 10:52.13 | ScaredyCat | s/wibders/winders/ |
| 10:52.56 | CM | I was hoping for the "May a 1000 fleas from a camel infest your..." something that he says sometimes ;) |
| 10:53.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1032 has been created by willie_chen(AT)openmoko.com |
| 10:53.01 | cdbot2 | * * No wireless driver on GTA02 |
| 10:53.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1032 |
| 10:53.36 | CM | No wireless? Wasn't it some ar6k stuff checked in yesterday? |
| 10:53.51 | ScaredyCat | ya |
| 10:54.17 | ScaredyCat | ~curse CM and his ar6k spotting |
| 10:54.17 | apt | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, CM and his ar6k spotting ! |
| 10:54.21 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 10:54.30 | ScaredyCat | seems to have got stuck... |
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| 10:54.46 | CM | ~lart apt for being stuck |
| 10:54.47 | apt | drops a baby grand on cm for being stuck |
| 10:54.48 | ScaredyCat | ~blame apt |
| 10:54.49 | apt | ACTION blames apt (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 10:54.53 | CM | Pff.. |
| 10:55.14 | NineX | rotlf |
| 10:55.23 | NineX | /s/rotlf/rotfl/ |
| 10:55.25 | ScaredyCat | lino? |
| 10:55.31 | ScaredyCat | :) |
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| 11:07.46 | gi-el | ScaredyCat: how old is the uboot that works for SD? |
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| 11:10.11 | ScaredyCat | well, it's new enough to have the boot issue.. |
| 11:10.20 | ScaredyCat | 2632 is the revision |
| 11:10.35 | gi-el | boot issue meaning not booting without usb plugged in or aux pressed? |
| 11:11.20 | ScaredyCat | needs aux pressed, or iirc you just increase the boot delay, although I haven;t actually tried that |
| 11:11.30 | gi-el | ok |
| 11:11.33 | gi-el | thanks |
| 11:16.49 | flexd | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.17 | flexd | I think i will have to make a cisco AP checking program :O |
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| 11:47.30 | borg_ | ScaredyCat: pong |
| 11:54.20 | IfWorkCouldKill | sind bestimmt zum mittachstisch |
| 11:55.19 | ScaredyCat | borg_: neod screen lock - very bad if it locks while screen is rotated :) |
| 11:56.23 | mjr | *grin* |
| 11:57.52 | gi-el | heh |
| 12:01.37 | borg_ | ScaredyCat: never thought about his possibilitie :) |
| 12:02.46 | borg_ | s/his/this/ |
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| 13:20.50 | pascal__ | When does the openmoko come out for sale for ordinary people? |
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| 13:28.34 | teprrr | well, isn't it for sale from the webpage? |
| 13:28.56 | teprrr | but I could imagine it'd take some time to get into the shelves of your local store ;) |
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| 13:38.26 | torpor | yo |
| 13:38.30 | torpor | wake up. |
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| 13:57.09 | pascal__ | teprrr: yeah, but I mean the model that can be used by non-developers |
| 13:57.37 | teprrr | well, gta01+qtopia worked quite fine at least for making phone calls and so on |
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| 13:57.50 | teprrr | don't know when openmoko will be usable though |
| 13:58.09 | pascal__ | ok |
| 13:58.13 | torpor | anyone know how to easily make my app full-screen? |
| 13:58.21 | torpor | i.e. do i have to do the XEvent way, or is there a libmokoui way? |
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| 14:03.36 | sinbaski | Moroever, does anyone know how to put an application onto the SIM card? |
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| 14:03.59 | sinbaski | Does the openmoko phone suufice? |
| 14:04.04 | sinbaski | suffice |
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| 14:07.58 | cvdstap | hi all, this seems like a busy channel |
| 14:08.47 | CM | Usually it is :) |
| 14:08.53 | NineX | :> |
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| 14:11.48 | cvdstap | I am guessing this is an eager user / dev channel ? |
| 14:12.14 | Stephmw | the term is 'early adopter' or 'gadget freak' :D |
| 14:12.26 | NineX | hehe |
| 14:12.28 | CM | ~fish Stephmw |
| 14:12.29 | apt | ACTION slaps Stephmw around with a large trout |
| 14:12.33 | CM | :P |
| 14:12.46 | CM | cvdstap: Yes ;) |
| 14:13.16 | cvdstap | good one Stephmw, i will remeber that one |
| 14:13.20 | torpor | i'm actively hacking code for openmoko, so i'd hope it was a dev channel .. |
| 14:13.57 | cvdstap | i am a developer myself, just not for openmoko ^^; |
| 14:14.23 | Stephmw | cvdstap: not *yet* :D |
| 14:14.28 | CM | Does anyone know what libicudata is used for? http://rafb.net/p/y0szl164.html |
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| 14:14.50 | Stephmw | CM: isn't ICU the unicode lib from ibm? |
| 14:14.52 | torpor | openmoko is one of my targets, and its also my current test platform, coz the neo1973 gta01 is sufficiently lame that if it runs okay on it, then its good on other platforms too .. ;) |
| 14:14.54 | CM | It's by far the largest lib in OpenMoko, together with webkit |
| 14:15.05 | CM | Stephmw: Yes, but does it have to be 10mb? |
| 14:15.11 | cvdstap | Stephmw, prob is i am strapped for cash, and probably dont have the time to get into the proje |
| 14:15.13 | cvdstap | ct |
| 14:15.39 | Stephmw | cvdstap: my problem too... I solve it by entertaining people in here with my silliness |
| 14:15.49 | CM | cvdstap: Maybe you'll have both time and money once the GTA02 is finally out.. ;) |
| 14:16.01 | cvdstap | cm ... chances are yes |
| 14:16.05 | CM | :) |
| 14:16.09 | cvdstap | or at least i will be reporting / testing :) |
| 14:16.39 | cvdstap | since the openmoko is what i selected as my next phone, just that my poc needs to hang on till feb so it seems |
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| 14:18.20 | cvdstap | btw how big would the learning curve be before one can actually contribute something usefull |
| 14:18.42 | CM | cvdstap: Currently it's still a bit steep.. |
| 14:18.51 | cvdstap | i am using gentoo linux at home myself, so i am somewhat linux savy but thats about it |
| 14:18.52 | CM | But it's about to get better :) |
| 14:19.10 | cvdstap | and is there like an emulator of the hardware so software can be tested |
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| 14:19.37 | CM | cvdstap: I do too, and even though bitbake is somehow originally based on portage, it's something completely new to learn |
| 14:20.05 | cvdstap | and the curve is depended on the documentation :) |
| 14:20.09 | torpor | cvdstap: just write a gtk app .. |
| 14:20.15 | CM | cvdstap: It's very easy to get up and running by just using "The Makefile" |
| 14:20.34 | cvdstap | torpor ? |
| 14:20.36 | torpor | i'm using mokomakefile, and its finally stabilized well enough for me to be in regular compile/run/write mode .. |
| 14:20.58 | tuukkah | CM, would you happen to know a nice dictionary or list of computing terms in swedish? |
| 14:20.59 | CM | cvdstap: Basically you have to download two files, run one command then wait 8-12h depending on how fast comp you have |
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| 14:21.32 | CM | tuukkah: Hmm.. Only computing terms. List of words, or just a good online dictionary? |
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| 14:22.02 | torpor | for example i'm writing an app right now that uses gtk+ gconf librsvg cairo, and it compiles smooth and easy both on my linux host side, and for the gta01 too.. where i am now also smoothly testing every build (both on workstation and gta01) |
| 14:22.38 | Stephmw | oppiz: LFS author? |
| 14:22.39 | torpor | ScaredyCat: how do i add a scap? |
| 14:22.41 | tuukkah | CM, i would need to learn the "proper" terms for a test |
| 14:22.51 | oppiz | i was with lfs now i am clfs |
| 14:23.21 | CM | tuukkah: If it's not too many, look it up at http://lexin.nada.kth.se/ might be ok or? |
| 14:23.21 | oppiz | Stephmw, http://trac.cross-lfs.org/ |
| 14:23.41 | cvdstap | hmm seems that i might try that once, compiling the software that is, using a amd63 dual core myself so in terms of computing power it should be fine |
| 14:23.45 | cvdstap | amd64* |
| 14:24.12 | oppiz | i have a pocketpc 6700 and i built embedded linux for it from scratch work great too |
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| 14:24.44 | cvdstap | lfs = linux from scratch ? |
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| 14:25.00 | oppiz | indeed |
| 14:25.09 | CM | tuukkah: If some words are missing, send them to me in english :) |
| 14:25.24 | NineX | masochizm = gentoo embeded on neo 1973 ;) |
| 14:25.46 | tuukkah | CM, perhaps my best bet is to just read some texts. but for example the one i'm reading now uses a lot of english words |
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| 14:26.22 | tuukkah | CM, "design och implementation" - is this really swedish?-) |
| 14:26.29 | tuukkah | "bugfree" |
| 14:26.40 | Stephmw | NineX: why gentoo *embedded*? just flip some CFLAGS on a normal distro :D |
| 14:26.51 | CM | tuukkah: Yes, perfect swedish |
| 14:26.52 | torpor | not so easy |
| 14:27.06 | Stephmw | NineX: </jk> |
| 14:27.50 | tuukkah | CM, bugfree should perhaps rather be written as "buggfri"? |
| 14:27.57 | oppiz | when is my phone coming!? |
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| 14:28.12 | Stephmw | oppiz: you have to build it from scratch |
| 14:28.24 | oppiz | that fine send me the hardware! |
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| 14:28.54 | gi-el | that should do it |
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| 14:29.50 | NineX | Stephmw: for fun :> |
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| 14:30.53 | CM | tuukkah: Yes, buggfri :) |
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| 14:32.52 | NineX | univac: ave |
| 14:33.13 | univac | elo |
| 14:33.39 | cvdstap | btw besides the hardware issues with the power supply, what else is in the way for the official release ? |
| 14:35.25 | tuukkah | CM, ett poppuppfönster vs. en popup-ruta? |
| 14:35.59 | morricone | cvdstap, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-November/011830.html |
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| 14:37.38 | cvdstap | tnx |
| 14:38.24 | cvdstap | seems that the issues are managable |
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| 14:39.20 | torpor | yo: http://w1xer.de/bling.html |
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| 14:40.38 | _buz | somehow i'm sceptic of stuff coming from a domain named like that |
| 14:41.06 | ckuethe | there's a much more trustworthy mirror at http://goatse.cx ... |
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| 14:42.38 | gi-el | isn't that down? doesn't work here |
| 14:42.58 | _buz | wiki says its been offline for a while now |
| 14:43.18 | torpor | _buz: you don't like my domain? then go to w1xer.at/bling.html instead. ;) |
| 14:43.35 | _buz | theres no shortage of similarly icky sites tho |
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| 14:43.47 | torpor | _buz: mine isn't one of them. |
| 14:43.48 | torpor | ;) |
| 14:46.29 | cvdstap | just wondering, would the moko be able to run eclipse ^^; |
| 14:46.36 | torpor | yup |
| 14:47.03 | cvdstap | how much memory does it have ? |
| 14:47.37 | cvdstap | trying to find the hardware spec at the wiki :) |
| 14:47.52 | kristian-m | cvdstap you plan to code java directly on the neo? |
| 14:48.05 | kimnotyze | think it wouldnt be fun to run eclipse on the openmoko ^^ |
| 14:48.05 | torpor | 64megs |
| 14:48.11 | cvdstap | was just wondering if it could handle it |
| 14:48.14 | torpor | but the on you will buy will have 256megs and 800mhz. |
| 14:48.18 | torpor | gta01 is slow and old. |
| 14:48.23 | torpor | the one+ |
| 14:48.30 | _buz | you could always swap to sd card |
| 14:48.34 | kristian-m | torpor like an old man ;) |
| 14:48.36 | Stephmw | cvdstap: the hardware sure can |
| 14:48.38 | torpor | i boot off SD right now .. |
| 14:48.40 | cvdstap | 256 megs.. should be enough, not much to spare but enough :) |
| 14:48.51 | Stephmw | cvdstap: SavaJe ran on 32MB ram, 206MHz |
| 14:49.01 | Stephmw | cvdstap: responsive, not blazing |
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| 14:49.05 | torpor | cvdstap: its plenty. remember this is ARM you're running on. not x86. ABI bloat is not cross-platform! |
| 14:49.24 | cvdstap | hmm cool, i def want one |
| 14:49.58 | kimnotyze | nice |
| 14:51.00 | cvdstap | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.01 | cvdstap | lol |
| 14:51.14 | torpor | autotools is easy |
| 14:51.23 | cvdstap | i know |
| 14:51.28 | cvdstap | just the wiki is funny |
| 14:53.00 | NineX | there is a difference betwen knowing the Path and walking the Path :> |
| 14:53.33 | CM | tuukkah: Jag skulle säga en popup-ruta |
| 14:55.06 | tuukkah | CM, det andra alternativet var från en finländsk ordbok så kan det lätt vara finlandssvenska eller helt påhittat |
| 14:55.40 | dread | torpor: the new one will have 400 MHz, i htink - where did you get the 800 Mhz from? :-) |
| 14:56.57 | kimnotyze | i was wondering, too... think the accu wouldnt like 800mhz for a long time ;-) |
| 14:57.16 | kimnotyze | i want to use my phone more than 2 days ;-) |
| 14:57.28 | CM | tuukkah: Min mamma eller mormor skulle kanske säga poppuppfönster ;) |
| 14:57.55 | tuukkah | CM, wikipedia också :-) |
| 14:58.15 | cjb_ie | wikipedia, till mammor och mormorer |
| 14:58.46 | torpor | i heard it in here |
| 14:59.09 | tuukkah | cjb_ie, hoppas inte till svensklärare! |
| 15:00.09 | cjb_ie | varför inte :p |
| 15:01.23 | tuukkah | så får jag icke-godkänt i provet och blir inte färdig ;-) |
| 15:01.50 | CM | Hehe.. jobbigt |
| 15:02.25 | Stephmw | [forward looking statements from people in this channel are of a speculative nature *only* and do not form a binding contract or release of confidential information] |
| 15:02.39 | CM | A bit too heavy, but might be nice anyway: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/wibrain-b1/wibrain-b1-hitting-us-stores-next-month-326764.php |
| 15:03.28 | tuukkah | heavy as in weight? |
| 15:05.05 | tuukkah | interesting. but how long does the battery last? |
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| 15:08.44 | CM | tuukkah: Probably 2h or something like that.. It always seems to be bad.. |
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| 15:09.13 | tuukkah | CM, yeah, with specs like that |
| 15:10.45 | CM | A later version with SSD and GPS would sell better |
| 15:12.07 | tuukkah | are fuel cells or other better power solutions becoming mainstream? |
| 15:13.29 | CM | Not any time soon |
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| 15:15.57 | tuukkah | CM, would you pronounce the first 'u' in "subrutin" as /a/ or /u/ ? |
| 15:17.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1033 has been created by olaf(AT)uni-paderborn.de |
| 15:17.02 | cdbot2 | * * display locker does'nt work with swapped orientation |
| 15:17.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1033 |
| 15:17.06 | CM | tuukkah: As the english "subway" u and the last utin as in Putin :) |
| 15:18.07 | tuukkah | CM, i have no idea how the world pronounces Putin =) do you know IPA? |
| 15:18.13 | CM | tuukkah: Not an u sounding like "foot", that u is in finish |
| 15:18.51 | CM | tuukkah: U as in full, or bull or hull :) |
| 15:19.30 | tuukkah | CM, a short one? or a long one as in ful? |
| 15:20.01 | CM | subrutin would have a short one, like subway in both u's actually |
| 15:20.03 | borg_ | mickeyl: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1033 |
| 15:20.04 | borg_ | bbl |
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| 15:21.09 | tuukkah | CM, oh right, and stress on the end -tin? |
| 15:21.49 | CM | Yes, longer i, like "teen" :) |
| 15:23.32 | tuukkah | ok i think i got it know, couldn't really guess |
| 15:23.34 | tuukkah | thanks! |
| 15:23.44 | CM | Inga problem :) |
| 15:24.45 | tuukkah | is that the plural form of your name ?-) |
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| 15:25.12 | tuukkah | a kind of umlaut ;-) |
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| 15:28.16 | ScaredyCat | wtf! |
| 15:28.20 | ScaredyCat | subrutin ? |
| 15:28.25 | ScaredyCat | subroutine |
| 15:28.27 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 15:29.14 | tuukkah | ScaredyCat, subroutine is in swedish subrutin |
| 15:29.24 | ScaredyCat | ahhhh... |
| 15:29.49 | ScaredyCat | i'm in ur codez stealin ur vowelz |
| 15:30.13 | ScaredyCat | exceptz ur ewez |
| 15:30.21 | ScaredyCat | and eyz |
| 15:30.27 | tuukkah | i'm turning this channel into swedish as i have an upcoming test which i need to pass to get my diploma |
| 15:30.45 | SpeedEvil | Is it a urine test? |
| 15:30.59 | ScaredyCat | hheheh |
| 15:31.40 | tuukkah | fortunately i already passed the english test so i don't care about that anymore ;-) |
| 15:31.54 | ScaredyCat | it shows :P |
| 15:31.58 | cvdstap | lol |
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| 15:41.03 | flexd | tuukkah: i'l help you wish swedish talking (im norwegian though), if you help me prepare for my "ikt fagprøve" exam (basically setup a win2k3 server with stuffs :p) |
| 15:41.09 | flexd | I'l talk swedish/norwegain |
| 15:41.15 | flexd | and you reply with ways to setup the server |
| 15:41.16 | flexd | sound good? |
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| 15:41.42 | flexd | I'l take that as a no :( |
| 15:41.44 | tuukkah | flexd %-) |
| 15:42.27 | tuukkah | i don't know if i've ever even seen a win2k3 server |
| 15:42.33 | flexd | rargh |
| 15:42.38 | flexd | i wish it was a linux test |
| 15:42.41 | flexd | but sadly.. :/ |
| 15:43.23 | tuukkah | diploma requirements suck :-( |
| 15:44.01 | CM | ~curse flexd |
| 15:44.02 | apt | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, flexd ! |
| 15:44.17 | CM | flexd: I was only trying to be nice! :D |
| 15:44.20 | flexd | Could we reincarnate me as a linux administrator |
| 15:44.24 | flexd | cause i'm already a XP person :( |
| 15:44.40 | nbd | so you're in hell already, good :) |
| 15:44.44 | CM | Hehe |
| 15:44.57 | ScaredyCat | apt still stuck I see |
| 15:45.03 | thresh | ORLY? |
| 15:45.20 | nbd | ~curse apt |
| 15:45.20 | apt | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, apt ! |
| 15:45.29 | ScaredyCat | hahahah |
| 15:45.46 | tuukkah | okej, vi behöver anordna en kurs xp klinik |
| 15:45.57 | CM | ScaredyCat: Hehe, finally! |
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| 15:57.37 | cvdstap | \o/ almost going home time |
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| 16:04.30 | cvdstap | bye all |
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| 16:29.51 | CIA-14 | 03sameo * r3520 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-atheros/ (7 files): |
| 16:29.51 | CIA-14 | ar6k-atheros: Patches cleanup. |
| 16:29.51 | CIA-14 | With this patch cleanup round, we should be ready for a 1.1 FW. |
| 16:29.51 | CIA-14 | Multi-block SDIO transfer may still be an issue though. |
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| 16:32.08 | CIA-14 | 03sameo * r3521 10/developers/sameo/patches/ar6k-atheros/gta02_wifi_defconfig: |
| 16:32.08 | CIA-14 | ar6k-atheros: Specific wifi kernel config file. |
| 16:32.08 | CIA-14 | Will need to be eventually merged with the main gta02 kernel defconfig. |
| 16:32.08 | CIA-14 | IPv6 is disabled for now as it is causing an oops atm. |
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| 16:36.33 | dread | 1.1 FW. |
| 16:36.48 | dread | uhm..sorry, wrong cut&paste :P |
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| 16:40.36 | flexd | oopses are bad! |
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| 16:49.02 | matsch | Does anybody know, whether fic 1973 openmoko will support the bluetooth sim access profile (SAP) |
| 16:50.02 | CM | matsch: If bluez does it, it will |
| 16:50.31 | CM | matsch: Maybe XorA knows |
| 16:50.39 | mjr | neo's GSM chip is wired physically to the SIM, you can't do soft-SIM afaik |
| 16:51.12 | Stephmw | what is SAP used for? |
| 16:51.18 | Shoragan | there may be some support in the GSM-firmware for SAP |
| 16:52.06 | matsch | That means SAP won't work with the neo? |
| 16:52.37 | Shoragan | not right now |
| 16:54.25 | matsch | Too bad, but there might be ways to make it work? |
| 16:55.01 | Shoragan | it depends on the GSM firmware, i don't know if it is implemented there |
| 16:55.25 | CM | matsch: What is it you want to do with it? |
| 16:55.33 | Shoragan | SAP is rather low priority at the moment |
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| 16:57.18 | matsch | Well, I would like to have easy connectability in my car. I guess, it will be difficult to get proper connection hardware for most cars. |
| 16:58.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1034 has been created by thomas(AT)openedhand.com |
| 16:58.01 | cdbot2 | * * No return status for lgsm_pin |
| 16:58.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1034 |
| 16:59.36 | Writchie | matsch: there is no provision at present for remoting the SIM. |
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| 17:02.31 | matsch | I understand this, but I don't see much provision for support for the neo 1973 on th car side either. |
| 17:02.45 | Writchie | matsch: in the future we can expect to see gsm modem chipsets support SIM transport as well transport of GSM upper layers through IPSEC. But since both of these are on the leading (bleeding) edge it will likely be years. |
| 17:04.22 | Writchie | matsch: BT issues weren't a focus in the design, so some rather critical functions like waking up the neo over BT are missing. |
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| 17:05.27 | Writchie | matsch: I would expect all of this to improve over time, a couple of years from all will be fine. |
| 17:05.39 | Writchie | s/from/from now/ |
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| 17:06.44 | matsch | So maybe I get this wrong, but the a currently like 10 mobile phones available supporting this feature. |
| 17:06.44 | mjr | Calling it "critical" sounds a bit like crying wolf where there's a german shepherd. It's important for some users, and a bummer, to be sure, but "critical", piffles. |
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| 17:09.43 | PBeck | hi |
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| 17:10.22 | Writchie | mjr: in the context of BT profiles related to auto's, i.e. the context of the question and response, it's critical or what anyone would describe as a validation failure. It's also critical to BT headset. It's not critical to using neo1973 for playing games or making phone calls tethered to a linux PC. |
| 17:11.18 | mjr | and for a load of other things, but car point taken |
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| 17:11.39 | Stephmw | hi edistar |
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| 17:11.56 | edistar | Stephmw: hi:) |
| 17:12.10 | mjr | (though I don't see how it's critical for cars either, I don't know much about car use) |
| 17:12.29 | Writchie | mjr: shortcomings are always expected in early designs. The important thing is to recognize verification and validation failures so they don't happen in future product. |
| 17:12.57 | mjr | yeah of course, I'm not saying it's not a problem and that it shouldn't be fixed |
| 17:13.00 | Writchie | press a button on the car to make a call with voice dialing. the phone is in the purse. you have to wak the phone. |
| 17:13.06 | Writchie | s/wak/wake/ |
| 17:13.45 | mjr | Okay, I can see that. My first impression about car use was that it'd be on the dashboard readily wakeuppable |
| 17:14.07 | Writchie | pluggin a mobile device into something is last resort. |
| 17:14.46 | Writchie | preferably done only once a day when you go to sleep. |
| 17:14.58 | mjr | *nod* |
| 17:15.18 | mjr | well, here's hopin' OM/FIC do well and future generations will blow our minds |
| 17:15.47 | _buz | that's sort of a feedback loop |
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| 17:17.36 | Writchie | mjr: I hope they do well - pioneers always take the arrows in the back. |
| 17:18.06 | Stephmw | and early adopters usually pick up the soap |
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| 17:24.51 | CVirus | Why doesn't FIC give dates ? |
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| 17:26.23 | edistar | CVirus: what for? |
| 17:26.27 | mjr | they don't know |
| 17:27.22 | CVirus | edistar: for anything ? |
| 17:27.29 | edistar | CVirus: ok ;) |
| 17:30.38 | Stephmw | CVirus: because the risk of slippage is too high |
| 17:30.50 | CVirus | hmm |
| 17:30.52 | Stephmw | CVirus: they've learned from others: Don't announce unless you're *damn* certain |
| 17:31.02 | CVirus | hehe |
| 17:31.08 | mjr | well, from themselves, really |
| 17:31.10 | Stephmw | the press tear you apart otherwise |
| 17:31.14 | CVirus | I'm dying for a Neo |
| 17:31.36 | edistar | CVirus: me too.. |
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| 17:35.53 | Stephmw | and me... but gadget fund is dry for this year |
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| 17:55.00 | ksirot | hey guys |
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| 17:57.26 | edistar | hi |
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| 17:59.08 | CIA-14 | 03thomas * r3522 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-dialer.c): |
| 17:59.08 | CIA-14 | * src/phone-kit/moko-dialer.c: (pb_msghandler): |
| 17:59.09 | CIA-14 | Fix for change in gsmd api: GSMD_PHONEBOOK_GET_IMSI -> GSMD_PHONE_GET_IMSI |
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| 18:01.05 | edistar | I always thought the wifi driver was finished already.. |
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| 18:11.44 | flexd | edistar: you thought wrong it seems |
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| 18:11.53 | edistar | flexd: yes |
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| 18:42.36 | slider | i'v got trouble building webkit with the openmoko-devel-image via mokomakefile. logfile: http://pastebin.com/m4e4545c4 any hints? :) |
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| 18:50.49 | IfChinsCouldKill | Is it possible to execute xrandr -o 1 in qemu? |
| 18:52.05 | zecke | IfChinsCouldKill: why do you think it is not? |
| 18:52.54 | IfChinsCouldKill | When I type it in the terminal basically nothing happens |
| 18:52.58 | mjr | when I tried that, many many many months ago, it did nothing |
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| 18:54.17 | IfChinsCouldKill | Like the emulated powerbutton with [space] I thought the lock display menu thing should pop up but it somehow is just antoher way to select an entry. |
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| 19:22.20 | enjahova | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071127-verizon-opens-up-will-support-any-device-any-app-on-its-network.html |
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| 19:23.52 | edistar | enjahova: what does that mean? that you can build your own gsm chip? |
| 19:24.19 | enjahova | edistar, i don't think so, its more along the lines of wifi |
| 19:24.25 | enjahova | or internet connectivity |
| 19:24.39 | edistar | enjahova: ah, ok... but will connection be free? |
| 19:24.55 | enjahova | edistar, no, it will probably be whatever the normal verizon data connection costs |
| 19:25.08 | enjahova | the plus side is that anything, including openmoko could connect to it |
| 19:25.09 | edistar | it's not even open.. |
| 19:25.20 | enjahova | it doesn't have to be |
| 19:25.20 | edistar | you need to be licenced and pay money.. |
| 19:25.31 | enjahova | think of it as a different type of cable internet |
| 19:25.37 | enjahova | that comes from cell phone towers |
| 19:25.39 | edistar | I know, but they advertize it as open |
| 19:25.50 | enjahova | its the same as building a cable modem |
| 19:25.55 | Writchie | well since verizon is CDMA you can start by forking over about $20K for the mobile standards. |
| 19:26.01 | edistar | enjahova: yeah.. |
| 19:26.24 | edistar | Writchie: thats the point.. it will be opened |
| 19:26.28 | enjahova | well i don't particularly trust them. but they did say they will publish the technical specs |
| 19:26.32 | tuukkah | edistar, unfortunately "open" doesn't have one official definition in this context |
| 19:26.33 | edistar | Writchie: as far as I could see quickly |
| 19:26.44 | edistar | tuukkah: yes :( |
| 19:27.08 | tuukkah | not having to pay for the connection would be silly |
| 19:27.13 | Writchie | the technical specs for the network are already largely public - but y ou have to pay large sums fo them. |
| 19:27.49 | tuukkah | being able to deploy phones and software without asking them is just prudent |
| 19:28.11 | Writchie | like $313 for an addendum that corrects errors. |
| 19:28.11 | enjahova | Writchie, i'm not following... they say all you need to do is submit the device for certification |
| 19:28.26 | edistar | microsoft is supporting it? can't be good then.. |
| 19:29.46 | enjahova | i bet google does too though |
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| 19:29.57 | edistar | enjahova: yeah.. doesn't make it better :P |
| 19:30.12 | Writchie | this is largely a marketing move - IMHO they have no choice or they will begin to loose huge market share to AT&T and t-mobile GSM. |
| 19:30.16 | enjahova | does CDMA require extra hardware to connect? |
| 19:30.25 | edistar | enjahova: yep |
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| 19:30.47 | enjahova | oh ok, so its competitor to GSM |
| 19:30.52 | enjahova | doesn't most of the rest of the world use |
| 19:30.53 | Writchie | yes |
| 19:30.54 | enjahova | GSM? |
| 19:30.58 | edistar | yes |
| 19:31.12 | edistar | I think in europe most people will use UMTS soon, also for telephoning |
| 19:31.20 | Writchie | GSM 2.5 billion CDMA 350 million |
| 19:31.38 | Writchie | mostly in US but some in South Korea and parts of China |
| 19:31.48 | enjahova | i heard japan too |
| 19:32.03 | Writchie | japan is a different standard |
| 19:32.10 | Writchie | IIRC |
| 19:32.41 | edistar | why are there so many different standards :( |
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| 19:32.58 | Writchie | less now than before |
| 19:33.04 | edistar | yeah |
| 19:33.09 | Writchie | GSM united dozens of the earlier ones |
| 19:33.22 | edistar | is umts similar to cdma? |
| 19:33.23 | Writchie | around a digital TDMA |
| 19:33.32 | Writchie | UMTS is evolution of GSM |
| 19:33.48 | edistar | what is better? |
| 19:34.13 | Writchie | better depends on better for who and for what. |
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| 19:34.35 | Writchie | Wideband CDMA is the radio technology used in 3G networks |
| 19:35.07 | Writchie | WCMDA has many advantages over TDMA. |
| 19:35.12 | edistar | isn't umts 3g too? |
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| 19:35.37 | Writchie | UMTS is 3G |
| 19:35.57 | edistar | ok |
| 19:36.05 | mjr | you shouldn't talk tech with Gs, they're marketing terms |
| 19:37.20 | gi-el | Gs annoy me |
| 19:37.26 | gi-el | third generation what! |
| 19:37.32 | gi-el | too little info! ;) |
| 19:38.20 | gi-el | and then there's the bullshit with .5 Gs... what is half a generation! |
| 19:38.29 | rcostine | One guy here in the office has Verizon's EVDO wireless, he gets speeds comparable to a low-end DSL connection ( like 700Kbps down 350Kbps up). From what I can tell any GPRS sucks in comparison. |
| 19:38.45 | mjr | rcostine, correct |
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| 19:39.14 | Writchie | and some HSDPA is mult-megabit |
| 19:39.17 | edistar | gprs is super slow, but for a mobile it's alright.. |
| 19:39.28 | abraxa__ | Who wants Verizon? ;p |
| 19:39.58 | gi-el | hsdpa is very nice |
| 19:40.07 | gi-el | until it gets too crowded, i suppose |
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| 19:40.32 | edistar | good night |
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| 19:41.49 | rcostine | we're temporarily using cable for our business connection (static ip, etc). the modem frequently (like once a week or so) craps out, sometimes something happens at comcast, whatever - he switches over to his EVDO connection like nothing ever happened. :-) |
| 19:42.16 | rcostine | it's a nice backup. |
| 19:42.38 | rcostine | makes me want to switch from Cingular, just for that. |
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| 19:50.26 | abraxa_ | rcostine: Until the day you're leaving north America. |
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| 19:56.09 | rcostine | abraxa_: right. tho, the last time i was out of the country was in 1999. That wouldn't be a major show stopper for me. Most people here get better coverage w/ VZ, although Cingular is way better than they used to be (like circa 2004). |
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| 20:00.00 | NineX | any one know how in qemu pres aux button? |
| 20:01.24 | abraxa_ | NineX: Enter or Tab I think |
| 20:01.28 | abraxa_ | err enter or space |
| 20:01.51 | balrog-kun | Enter, but only when usb keyboard is disconnected |
| 20:02.01 | NineX | damn |
| 20:02.08 | NineX | i have usb keyboart |
| 20:02.39 | balrog-kun | you can use usb_del in the monitor |
| 20:03.08 | balrog-kun | though i'm not sure it will restore the original Enter and Space handling :/ |
| 20:04.25 | NineX | WIRLD |
| 20:04.32 | ScaredyCat | blibble! |
| 20:04.36 | NineX | QEMU DONT RESPOND FOR USB KEYBOARD |
| 20:04.51 | IfChinsCouldKill | Borg: http://home.arcor.de/finishlast/zeugs/mokobee.png |
| 20:04.54 | IfChinsCouldKill | http://home.arcor.de/finishlast/zeugs/mokobee.zip |
| 20:04.58 | IfChinsCouldKill | for the girls... |
| 20:05.10 | IfChinsCouldKill | now sell that device already ;) |
| 20:05.49 | daMaestro | NineX, so, enable usb |
| 20:05.55 | daMaestro | -usb (or something like that) |
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| 20:36.10 | rtm | I have a problem with my neo. I can make outgoing calls via the GUI, but when an incoming call is received, I get a ring, but regardless of which icon in the dialer GUI I click on, the call ends up in the "missed calls" list. Has anyone else run across this behaviour? |
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| 21:29.04 | raster | boo |
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| 21:34.35 | CM | Eww... |
| 21:35.33 | summatusmentis | verizon said they're gonna start letting 3rd party devices on their network!!! Neo may yet be able to cover cdma in the US |
| 21:36.40 | buz | i would be really surprised if fic went CDMA |
| 21:37.51 | summatusmentis | but... but... neo wasn't the right word. I'm kinda hoping fic releases a cdma device for GTA02 + 1 |
| 21:38.11 | buz | that would be rather stupid really |
| 21:38.12 | buz | + |
| 21:38.55 | summatusmentis | cdma is the most prevalent network in the US, so there's at least some market |
| 21:39.58 | starox_ | Where is the market for openmoko ? Where are fic-gta01 users ? |
| 21:40.23 | ixian_probe | summatusmentis: but, is the cdma an _open_ market? and is the cdma an _future_ market? |
| 21:40.42 | ixian_probe | open= free market, not open as in source ^_^ |
| 21:40.59 | summatusmentis | ixian_probe: verizon is getting ready to allow 3rd party devices, and they're not going anywhere anytime soon in the US |
| 21:41.12 | summatusmentis | in the rest of the world, I know that it's not nearly prevalent |
| 21:41.14 | Mononoke | I wouldn't say that US market is target, you know falling economy who would care.. |
| 21:41.31 | balrog-kun | ixian_probe: is current gsm more open than cdma? |
| 21:41.54 | balrog-kun | i see no reason to not support both and even more standards |
| 21:42.10 | NineX | damn on qemu enter and space as power and aux works only with u-boot or i have something fucked up |
| 21:42.17 | roh | balrog-kun i dunno about licensing, but the market is much smaller |
| 21:42.50 | ixian_probe | balrog-kun: I don't know.. I do suspect that the entry cost for an gsm device might be lower, but that's just idle & unfounded speculation. |
| 21:42.51 | roh | NineX the uboot only does io, no irqs afaik.,. could be plain broken in the emu and only work in uboot thus. |
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| 21:43.33 | balrog-kun | roh: i don't know about market but if they can make a cdma or other phones without many modification it should be too expensive and should be rentable even on very small markets |
| 21:43.39 | ixian_probe | balrog-kun: but my main point is that there might be other conciderations involved than the current market situation. |
| 21:44.05 | balrog-kun | err, shouldn't |
| 21:44.06 | roh | ixian_probe also i do not have heard of any cdma-carrier issuing u-RIM (the pedant to sim on gsm) to customers. they all use devices which have a fixed built in rim and are provisioned by the carrier |
| 21:44.31 | NineX | how to make space work as aux and enter as power in openmoko runing on qemu? |
| 21:44.50 | roh | balrog-kun making cdma would mean completeely redesigning the whole 'modem' .. i do not see that happening for gta02. i rather see the us going 3g like the rest of the planet |
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| 21:45.30 | roh | NineX please file a bug against qemu. i really suspect it is a bug as more as i think about it |
| 21:46.36 | balrog-kun | i don't know much about hardware but i think the modem part is a one whole and any modification to it means changing the whole modem, so it wouldn't be too difficult to probably make a couple of very similar models just with different modems in them (i dunno though) |
| 21:47.08 | balrog-kun | NineX: are you sure there's no usb virtual keyboard? what does info usb show? |
| 21:47.28 | buz | balrog-kun: thats what i understand, but in any case, there IS gsm in the us so i dont think fic would or should bother |
| 21:47.36 | buz | they should however fix quadband |
| 21:48.37 | balrog-kun | yea.. |
| 21:49.47 | NineX | balrog-kun: yes i'm sure |
| 21:50.03 | ixian_probe | balrog-kun: .... factory retooling costs are astronomical... It probably would be cheaper to make an single device with several legacy systems on the same board. But regardless of this I doubt that any cdma carrier would even consider selling/allowing anyone other than an large corporation access. |
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| 21:50.29 | balrog-kun | NineX: ok, then a bugreport would be nice |
| 21:51.24 | NineX | but it seems that is not qemu bug |
| 21:51.45 | NineX | uboot reacting for space and enter only linux not |
| 21:51.48 | ixian_probe | oh well.... I'm just an ignorant user waiting on the GTAV2, so I'm probably wrong. ^_^ |
| 21:52.01 | balrog-kun | NineX: if there's evtest in the rootfs you can check if linux gets the keypress events at all |
| 21:52.21 | NineX | balrog-kun: how? |
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| 21:53.03 | balrog-kun | i don't remember, i think "evtest /dev/input/eventN" where N is some number |
| 21:53.06 | yesi | yo |
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| 21:57.50 | jens | hi |
| 21:58.23 | jens | how can i change the screen orientation? didnt find anything in the wiki |
| 21:59.32 | dread | with the aux-button :) press it and a litte menu should appear |
| 22:00.07 | jens | wow !!!!!!! its really so easy and i couldnt find it ;) |
| 22:00.08 | jens | thx |
| 22:00.27 | dread | :-) |
| 22:00.35 | NineX | dam |
| 22:01.21 | fgau_ | jens: or try this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Screen_Shots |
| 22:03.43 | jens | i should have known to find it under "screen shots"... |
| 22:03.49 | balrog-kun | NineX: it's entirely possible that there's a qemu bug |
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| 22:06.29 | rtyler | anybody able to build from trunk lately? |
| 22:06.40 | rtyler | the OE tree is breaking everything for me :( (on pkgconfig) |
| 22:16.11 | ScaredyCat | $100 laptop is now the £100 laptop apparently |
| 22:18.28 | Vegar | the XO? |
| 22:20.09 | DukeOfURL | a $100 restaurant meal in the US is a £100 restaurant meal in the UK... |
| 22:20.09 | ScaredyCat | yah |
| 22:21.09 | ScaredyCat | not really DukeOfURL ... more like a $400 meal is £100 |
| 22:21.10 | balrog-kun | a $100 restaurant meal?! hopefully that's something yummy |
| 22:22.09 | DukeOfURL | ScaredyCat: try it! have a meal in NYC and then the same meal in London. same price. |
| 22:22.35 | DukeOfURL | ok ok |
| 22:22.36 | Writchie | Universal exchange rate is cost of a pizza or two big macs. |
| 22:22.43 | DukeOfURL | ok ok |
| 22:23.00 | goodwill | hehehe |
| 22:23.01 | DukeOfURL | nuf said |
| 22:24.14 | ScaredyCat | DukeOfURL: how about Madison and Swindon |
| 22:24.32 | rtyler | damnit, patrick left |
| 22:24.49 | balrog-kun | pizza prices can be quite misleading compared to other food |
| 22:24.56 | DukeOfURL | no, i'm talking about the typical restaurant in the west end |
| 22:24.57 | ScaredyCat | Writchie: what size pizza ? |
| 22:25.04 | rtyler | are any of you folks OpenEmbedded developers? |
| 22:25.11 | Writchie | 14 inch chees |
| 22:25.15 | ScaredyCat | DukeOfURL: well, that's not the same is it... |
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| 22:25.37 | Writchie | no reindeer meat |
| 22:25.49 | Writchie | ;) |
| 22:25.57 | ixian_probe | ohh... reindeer meat.. *mmm* |
| 22:26.14 | abraxa_ | rtyler: If by "you" you mean "someone in this channel" then yes :) |
| 22:26.19 | ScaredyCat | pizza hut Writchie ? |
| 22:26.22 | ixian_probe | mushroom & reindeer meat stew.. ^_^ |
| 22:26.56 | rtyler | abraxa_: "you folks" == "someone in this channel" :) |
| 22:26.58 | Writchie | there is usually pizza everywhere indepenent of chains |
| 22:27.20 | abraxa_ | rtyler: Does this imply that you have a question? |
| 22:27.40 | NineX | good night folks |
| 22:27.52 | abraxa_ | Good morning, NineX |
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| 22:36.08 | abraxa_ | How mean |
| 22:36.11 | abraxa_ | :O |
| 22:36.15 | Stephmw | :D |
| 22:36.28 | Stephmw | just wanna see if it worked |
| 22:41.21 | thomasg_ | Stephmw: it only works with sound-hilighting :) |
| 22:42.18 | Stephmw | thomasg_: ah well |
| 22:42.29 | balrog-kun | or poke-with-stick-highlighting |
| 22:43.26 | guerby | kewl bluetooth headset works with N800+OS2008 (both listening and recording) |
| 22:43.46 | balrog-kun | wrong channel? |
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| 22:47.55 | guerby | balrog-kun, indeed sorry :) |
| 22:47.55 | jadams_ | hey hey hey |
| 22:48.18 | balrog-kun | np |
| 22:48.18 | guerby | balrog-kun, I still have to test openmoko GPRS+bluetooth with my N800 :) |
| 22:48.27 | jadams_ | ScaredyCat, around? |
| 22:50.03 | cbrake | anyone else having trouble building kdrive? |
| 22:51.17 | balrog-kun | cbrake: yes, i think there's a bug on bugzilla and even patches/solutions |
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| 22:52.02 | mmontour | cbrake: clean it and renderproto (I think) then try again |
| 22:52.16 | cbrake | mmontour: thanks |
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| 22:54.14 | josch | I created a local overlay in my openembedded tree and inserted a new bitbake file |
| 22:54.28 | josch | but it will only checkout correctly if I substitute |
| 22:54.51 | josch | SRCREV_pn-python-gsmd = "${AUTOREV}" to SRCREV_pn-python-gsmd = "103" |
| 22:55.01 | josch | else svn will fail to checkout |
| 22:55.25 | josch | svn co -r ${AUTOREV} .... <= this gets executed |
| 22:55.42 | abraxa_ | josch: Is that related to the kdrive issue, are you asking how to fix this or...? |
| 22:56.18 | josch | kdrive? no |
| 22:56.37 | josch | I just want to know how to always check out the latest revision |
| 22:56.50 | josch | if I set the revision manually everything works fine |
| 22:56.56 | josch | how to do this automatically? |
| 22:57.03 | abraxa_ | You need to patch the bitbake svn fetcher if you want to use autorev |
| 22:57.10 | josch | hrm... |
| 22:57.18 | jadams_ | anyone here using t-mobile for gprs? |
| 22:57.18 | josch | how? |
| 22:57.29 | jadams_ | I had it working, but work got in the way and I haven't moko'ed for a solid month |
| 22:57.39 | ScaredyCat | josch: ?= ${AUTOREV} |
| 22:58.00 | ScaredyCat | jadams_: wassup |
| 22:58.18 | abraxa_ | josch: http://pastebin.com/md74ae3 |
| 22:58.25 | ScaredyCat | josch: ?= "${AUTOREV}" |
| 22:58.33 | ScaredyCat | ie use the ?= not = |
| 22:58.36 | abraxa_ | josch: That's bitbake/lib/bb/fetch/svn.py |
| 22:58.40 | jadams_ | ScaredyCat, not a lot, just using your build and wanted to say thanks :) |
| 22:58.48 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 22:59.06 | ScaredyCat | no prbs... recent build ? |
| 22:59.44 | jadams_ | yeah |
| 22:59.47 | jadams_ | downloaded today |
| 22:59.53 | jadams_ | can't get gprs working, but it's not your fault |
| 23:00.01 | ScaredyCat | ahh good, tried the screen lock ? |
| 23:00.03 | jadams_ | I'm following the wiki, and I'm using t-mobile, and I have unlimited gprs |
| 23:00.20 | ScaredyCat | 'unlimited' ;) |
| 23:00.42 | jadams_ | ScaredyCat, awesome |
| 23:00.49 | ScaredyCat | I nned to fiddle with the gprs stuff... |
| 23:01.59 | josch | ScaredyCat, thx!!! that fixed it! |
| 23:02.10 | jadams_ | ScaredyCat, also, no cu? |
| 23:02.32 | ScaredyCat | errm probably not :P |
| 23:02.39 | ScaredyCat | np josch |
| 23:03.59 | borg_ | ScaredyCat: i have fixed the orientation bug |
| 23:04.11 | borg_ | and have you seen this theme? |
| 23:04.12 | borg_ | http://homepages.upb.de/olaf/dinge/openmoko/display_lock/moko_bees/mokobee.png |
| 23:04.15 | ScaredyCat | excellent |
| 23:04.16 | borg_ | :) |
| 23:04.31 | ScaredyCat | ya, made me lol |
| 23:04.34 | borg_ | :D |
| 23:05.29 | Writchie | great - does it vibrate to give you a sting as you start to move it ;) |
| 23:06.08 | ScaredyCat | someone did touch feedback with the vibration |
| 23:06.40 | ScaredyCat | although, I'd rather have the battery life |
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| 23:08.40 | jens | my neo just went off... battery showed 50%. maybe the symbol was wrong and the battery is now empty!? how fast does it charge when it's turned off and connected to usb? |
| 23:09.04 | jadams_ | ScaredyCat, also, sound isn't working at all for me... |
| 23:09.17 | ScaredyCat | :O |
| 23:09.23 | ScaredyCat | really? |
| 23:09.24 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 23:09.33 | ScaredyCat | tried the media player? |
| 23:09.39 | jens | jadams_: try: killall pulseaudio |
| 23:09.51 | josch | jens, don't believe in the battery icon - look at battvolt |
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| 23:10.12 | jens | it doesnt start up anymore |
| 23:10.19 | josch | jens, just wait a bit |
| 23:10.24 | jens | how long does it need to charge? |
| 23:10.29 | josch | some say that you have to wait a few hours |
| 23:10.39 | jens | damn |
| 23:10.49 | jens | btw. where do i see the battvolt? |
| 23:11.07 | abraxa_ | josch: Does it not turn on anymore when you push the power button? |
| 23:11.20 | abraxa_ | err jens |
| 23:11.29 | jens | abraxa_: correct |
| 23:11.33 | josch | jens, just do find / -name battvolt to find it |
| 23:11.59 | abraxa_ | jens: In that case you might want to unplug USB, remove the battery for ~15 seconds, plug the battery back in and re-attach USB |
| 23:12.13 | abraxa_ | That way you assure that the amp and modem are turned off |
| 23:12.18 | abraxa_ | Otherwise the Neo won't really charge |
| 23:14.59 | jens | abraxa_: doesn't work with both my batterys |
| 23:15.14 | josch | jens, what batteries do you have? |
| 23:15.39 | josch | jens, also consider to join #neo1973-germany :-) |
| 23:15.56 | jens | josch: 1200mAh |
| 23:16.10 | jens | josch: cool, didnt know that channel |
| 23:16.16 | josch | jens, two original FIC batteries? |
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| 23:16.30 | jens | josch: yes, sir |
| 23:16.58 | josch | if one of them is charged then this is a strange error |
| 23:17.37 | josch | do you have a bl-5c nokia battery to try? |
| 23:19.07 | jens | josch: nope dont have another batt. both batterys seem to be empty... i try to leave it in usb over night |
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| 23:19.59 | josch | do that - it will work if you wake up tomorrow |
| 23:20.08 | josch | s/if/when/ |
| 23:20.38 | jens | hope i WILL wake up ;) |
| 23:24.01 | jens | \ set myself and my neo to sleep mode |
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| 23:24.54 | mokel | is the openmoko able to go to standby? i read some time ago this does not work, any news? |
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| 23:26.45 | josch | what does rdepends mean in my bb file? recursive depends?? |
| 23:26.55 | abraxa_ | runtime depency |
| 23:27.08 | abraxa_ | The other is compile-time dependency |
| 23:29.07 | josch | ah |
| 23:29.08 | josch | thx |
| 23:29.34 | mokel | does suspend work? like on normal mobilephones with gsm powered on only? |
| 23:30.53 | abraxa_ | mokel: Last I heard yes |
| 23:31.08 | mokel | oh, nice |
| 23:32.23 | Vegar | but gsm isn't able to wake it up yet |
| 23:32.38 | mokel | ah, ok |
| 23:33.04 | mokel | but suspend works, so you can save battery life without shutdown |
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