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| 00:32.57 | edistar | good night.. |
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| 01:18.50 | CIA-14 | openmoko-panel-gsm: |
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| 01:20.23 | CIA-14 | 03mickey * r3508 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/openmoko-panel-plugins: openmoko-standard-theme: make title menu bold |
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| 01:33.14 | borg_ | mickeyl: http://homepages.upb.de/olaf/dinge/openmoko/display_lock/moko_puzzle/mokopuzzle.png |
| 01:33.21 | mickeyl | :D |
| 01:33.25 | borg_ | :) |
| 01:33.27 | mickeyl | adding it atm. |
| 01:33.31 | borg_ | nice |
| 01:34.47 | mickeyl | who did the artwork? |
| 01:34.52 | mickeyl | i want to add him to AUTHORS |
| 01:34.53 | goodwill | I hate US phone companies |
| 01:35.27 | borg_ | mickeyl: "IfChinsCouldKill" |
| 01:35.35 | borg_ | dont know more about him ;) |
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| 01:42.01 | Crofton|home | goodwill, why? |
| 01:43.39 | CIA-14 | 03mickey * r3509 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/ (9 files in 3 dirs): neod: add display locking, code by Olaf Lüke, artwork by 'IfChinsCouldKill' |
| 01:44.06 | Crofton|home | mickeyl, ping |
| 01:45.31 | mickeyl | pöng |
| 01:46.01 | Crofton|home | my wife is interested in skiing conditions in EU :) |
| 01:46.27 | Crofton|home | can you ask your wife for a "ski report" somtetime :) |
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| 01:46.37 | Crofton|home | must be awful later over there .. |
| 01:48.31 | mickeyl | Crofton|home: sure thing, will give you a report soon |
| 01:48.44 | Crofton|home | thanks, no hurry |
| 01:48.58 | Crofton|home | she just spent an hour checking out skiing :) |
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| 01:55.15 | ljp | heres a ski report: cold and snowy |
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| 03:25.10 | Taco | Ooops - sorry, I misread. |
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| 05:57.42 | xzcvczx | nnpiggy: still there? |
| 06:02.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1026 has been created by tick(AT)openmoko.com |
| 06:02.02 | cdbot2 | * * Fix Libgsmd API |
| 06:02.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1026 |
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| 06:27.43 | CM | tick: Nice google document :) |
| 06:27.56 | tick | CM, Thanks |
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| 06:38.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1027 has been created by john_lee(AT)openmoko.com |
| 06:38.01 | cdbot2 | * * Pre-built toolchain without OE |
| 06:38.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1027 |
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| 06:55.47 | CM | olv--: Nice to see some .tw openmoko developers in here :) |
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| 07:15.06 | blindcoder | moin |
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| 07:21.05 | NineX | can some one tell me what is estamined batery lifetime? |
| 07:21.22 | NineX | btw ave :> |
| 07:21.53 | CM | NineX: You mean now, or when the power management is working like it should? |
| 07:22.04 | CM | GTA01 or 02? |
| 07:22.53 | emdete | CM: is there more pm planned than standby as diskussed yesterday? |
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| 07:23.12 | NineX | gta01 , i just asking cause i need to know sholud i have second battery with me |
| 07:23.12 | emdete | CM: i.e. slowing down cpu? |
| 07:23.16 | CM | emdete: I think so, but I don't know the details |
| 07:23.25 | CM | Yes, the cpu should go down to 12mhz |
| 07:23.43 | emdete | CM: i don't like the idea of standby/resume - that is much too slow for my app |
| 07:24.07 | CM | emdete: Sure? |
| 07:24.27 | CM | emdete: The OLPC suspend/resumes in about a tenth of a second |
| 07:24.34 | emdete | CM: i dream of a steady-online device... |
| 07:24.55 | CM | Ah, but would 12MHz be enough for that? |
| 07:25.11 | emdete | CM: wow... propably to slow to do ppp packages but... |
| 07:26.13 | CM | emdete: Heh, I remembered wrong, it was 10 milliseconds: http://www.gettysfamily.org/wordpress/?p=26 |
| 07:26.34 | emdete | CM: i currently check around with gprs & gps on - gps needs the arm all the time |
| 07:27.05 | CM | That was an ipaq, they expected 30-35 on the olpc.. Hmm |
| 07:27.39 | CM | emdete: And gprs drops the connection if the phone suspends or? |
| 07:28.26 | CM | emdete: Would be nice if the gsm modem buffered some packages then sent some signal to wake up the cpu to process it, and then go back to saving battery |
| 07:28.39 | emdete | CM: yes |
| 07:29.13 | emdete | currently everything is very, very unsteady. it often drops connections |
| 07:29.33 | emdete | gps is not working very well over long periods (i check 2days or so) |
| 07:29.42 | CM | Hopefully an improved gsmd (gsmd2?) would fix that :) |
| 07:29.45 | emdete | even long standing gprs is not reliable |
| 07:29.56 | emdete | no, no, no gsmd involved |
| 07:30.14 | NineX | CM: do you know how long take order acceptation on openmoko shop? |
| 07:30.14 | emdete | just pppd ( see my wiki entry about manyally gprs ) |
| 07:30.28 | CM | emdete: Ahh, I'll take a look |
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| 07:31.09 | emdete | CM: currently i just switch on all low-level stuff and check it with a python script |
| 07:31.10 | CM | NineX: Usually very fast. But shipping might take a few days. Most people who have ordered lately seem to have gotten the phones within a week. |
| 07:31.46 | CM | NineX: It seems like GTA02 is delayed a while longer.. |
| 07:31.46 | NineX | cool |
| 07:32.16 | emdete | he, NineX is the first that i see that says 'cool' because gta02 is delayed :D |
| 07:32.23 | NineX | CM: yes i know. i maked order for gta 01 |
| 07:32.42 | CM | emdete: Why is it so unreliable then? Maybe the network connection is flaky |
| 07:32.51 | CM | NineX: :) |
| 07:33.10 | NineX | emdete: no, "cool" cause i whana get neo as fast that possible |
| 07:33.15 | mbuf | have there been any recent successful builds? |
| 07:33.35 | emdete | CM: that is what i want to get out - how to confugure that stuff to get all these parts reliable working |
| 07:33.44 | CM | mbuf: I built a full feed about 12h ago |
| 07:34.08 | mbuf | CM, nice |
| 07:34.35 | CM | emdete: I mean, maybe it's gsmd anyway, even though it doesn't handle the gprs stuff? |
| 07:34.49 | CM | For some reason it seems to re-register at the network all the time |
| 07:35.16 | emdete | CM: no, i deinstalled all gsmd stuff (and X11 also te get space) |
| 07:35.38 | CM | But I saw mickey|zzZZzz was working on that yesterday, and tick just posted an interesting bug (#1026) |
| 07:36.03 | CM | emdete: Ah, ok. But how do you register then? Just sending at commands? |
| 07:36.11 | emdete | CM: yes, shure. |
| 07:36.16 | CM | :D |
| 07:36.18 | emdete | in the chatscript |
| 07:36.58 | emdete | because gsm07.10 is still missing i don't get signal quality after ppp anyway |
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| 07:43.13 | emdete | i think the gprs stuff may be solved by the right options for pppd but i don't know how to enhance the gps stuff. even if the device is laying around it sometimes just drops the connection |
| 07:44.18 | CM | gps or gprs? |
| 07:44.34 | emdete | gps |
| 07:44.36 | CM | You mean agps via gprs? :) |
| 07:44.42 | CM | *nod* |
| 07:44.46 | emdete | 'connection' may be the wrong word. |
| 07:45.02 | CM | Just confusing since it's almost the same acronym |
| 07:45.53 | emdete | no, just gps. i have a roof-window at home. best condition. a garmin is working fine all the time. but the neo stops receiving for minutes from time to time. no cloud nothing to see why |
| 07:46.11 | CM | Doesn't sound good.. :( |
| 07:46.38 | emdete | myabe the chipset wasn't that good choice. i am looking for expiriences of other people... |
| 07:47.35 | CM | I tried running it on saturday, but the weather was so awful I didn't go out |
| 07:47.49 | emdete | ah, yes, i remember reading that ;) |
| 07:47.50 | torpor | yikes |
| 07:48.01 | CM | Good morning to you too :P |
| 07:48.05 | torpor | heh |
| 07:48.18 | torpor | whats up guys? |
| 07:48.19 | emdete | i also now put it in the car while driving but its tha same |
| 07:50.52 | NineX | CM: there is a possibility to make backup form nand flash without booting system? |
| 07:52.01 | CM | NineX: Yes, I Think so. Via uboot some way |
| 07:52.25 | CM | NineX: But I would have to look it up to say how :) |
| 07:52.29 | emdete | dfu-util should be able to read the partition also but i remember some note its broken |
| 07:54.30 | torpor | you can do it in the u-boot console over usb-serial |
| 07:54.42 | emdete | torpor: does it work? |
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| 07:57.19 | NineX | torpor: ok i will search on wiki how to do that :> i think about make backup from initial state of nand flash before i will install snapshot :> |
| 07:57.54 | emdete | NineX: initial state should be u-boot only anyway... |
| 07:58.13 | emdete | NineX: mine came with a kernel but that was by mistake |
| 07:59.49 | CM | NineX: But it's a good idea to do as you said |
| 08:00.04 | CM | NineX: Definitely you should make a backup of your u-boot_env |
| 08:00.07 | emdete | CM: why that? |
| 08:00.22 | emdete | CM: ah... yes, maybe :) |
| 08:00.23 | NineX | emdete: BBT |
| 08:00.28 | CM | emdete: If you destroy your uboot env, like I've done, it's a pain... |
| 08:00.42 | CM | NineX: Exactly :) |
| 08:00.48 | emdete | CM: doesn't resolve 'factory default' that? |
| 08:00.59 | emdete | bbt? |
| 08:01.17 | NineX | CM: there is a wiki page with instruction how to recreate bad block table |
| 08:01.24 | NineX | emdete: Bad Block Table |
| 08:03.21 | emdete | ah, okay. yes, that may be important ;) |
| 08:03.28 | NineX | :> |
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| 08:04.49 | CM | emdete: Se bug 765 |
| 08:05.07 | CM | emdete: It can be rebuilt, but I need to be able to cu to uboot for that |
| 08:05.21 | CM | emdete: And you can't do that when you don't have the uboot menu :( |
| 08:06.29 | emdete | thats probably the cause i leave u-boot alone... |
| 08:07.05 | emdete | i still have that one that was delivered - even with that bug that requires that nand erase... |
| 08:07.26 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:07.41 | CM | emdete: Well, when i flashed my kernel the first time with the one that came with it, the kernel wrote over the uboot env |
| 08:07.54 | NineX | CM: sur but with debugboard you can make u-boot workable again |
| 08:07.55 | emdete | CM: wow, how that? |
| 08:08.11 | CM | emdete: So it's been broken since August 3:rd for me |
| 08:08.34 | CM | Don't aks me how, just noticed that when I looked in the uboot_env file there was kernel crap there |
| 08:08.54 | CM | NineX: Yes, and I might get a debugboard soon :) |
| 08:09.37 | emdete | phew, that's bad. i flashed a new boot splash some days ago - perhaps a dangerous task also..? hm |
| 08:10.59 | NineX | CM: i will get neo advanced so... even if i broke u-boot i can repair that |
| 08:11.01 | NineX | :> |
| 08:11.19 | CM | emdete: No, don't think the splash can mess anything up :) |
| 08:11.28 | emdete | NineX: that is the cause for gps in the neo - locate the guy with the debug board next to you ;) |
| 08:11.29 | CM | NineX: I should have done that too |
| 08:11.38 | CM | emdete: Hehe |
| 08:11.52 | emdete | CM: i /know/ where the next one resides :D |
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| 08:12.06 | NineX | emdete: hehehe :> |
| 08:12.07 | CM | I do too, and it's over 300km away |
| 08:12.30 | emdete | CM: that's bad, its just 30 for me - where do you stay? |
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| 08:13.21 | tuukkah | CM, we've been able to unbrick phones by dfu-uploading a fresh u-boot_env though |
| 08:13.56 | CM | tuukkah: I did that, worked a few times |
| 08:14.09 | NineX | CM: i dont know anyone in Krakow (Poland) who have neo |
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| 08:14.40 | CM | NineX: Ah, Krakow is a nice town, I've been there. Even walked up to that hill a bit west of the city |
| 08:15.06 | CM | NineX: hrw is in Poland and has a debugboard. yoyo is also there |
| 08:15.24 | NineX | CM: so i will be third ;) |
| 08:16.02 | Mononoke | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:16.35 | NineX | Mononoke: try tyskie! |
| 08:16.56 | NineX | Mononoke: isn't very strong but is tasty! |
| 08:16.59 | NineX | :> |
| 08:17.03 | CM | NineX: I was in Gdansk a few weeks ago too :) |
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| 08:17.32 | tuukkah | CM, right, so is it perhaps that it doesn't actually work in cases where there actually are some bad blocks |
| 08:17.46 | NineX | CM: next time when you will go into Krakow , let me know, we will drink couple bears :> |
| 08:19.55 | CM | NineX: Hehe, surely :) |
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| 08:22.11 | hrw | hi |
| 08:22.25 | hrw | NineX: I do not know about anyone in Kraków with debug board |
| 08:22.47 | hrw | NineX: Poznań, Warszawa, Opole(iirc) |
| 08:23.47 | NineX | hrw: sow when my package will arrive , wi will tell you to add krakow into that list |
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| 08:33.20 | torpor | i'm in vienna |
| 08:33.46 | torpor | and as long as there is no bear drinking involved, i'd be happy to help anyone debug their neo's .. we have two debug boards here in the metalab-OpenMoko crew .. |
| 08:38.20 | NineX | :> |
| 08:38.41 | NineX | neo 1973 users united :> |
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| 08:42.39 | doc|home | people drink bear? |
| 08:42.41 | doc|home | weird |
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| 08:50.21 | NineX | damn |
| 08:50.30 | NineX | my bank refused transaction :S |
| 08:57.49 | zash | holy fucking crap ass, i just calculated how mutch 1 MB of data trough sms would cost |
| 08:58.35 | emdete | zash: :D depends on your tariff.... |
| 08:58.58 | zash | well i have 0.69 SEK / SMS |
| 08:59.24 | zash | and 1 MB would be like ~5k SEK |
| 08:59.29 | daMaestro | yuck |
| 08:59.45 | emdete | zash: wow - for 160 chars - don't know if that allows all values of bytes... |
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| 08:59.48 | CM | zash: Lol |
| 08:59.57 | zash | 140 bytes |
| 09:00.13 | emdete | zash: thnx :) |
| 09:00.41 | zash | 140 bytes or 160 7-bit chars |
| 09:01.44 | CM | zash: Should make an rfc for tcp/ip via sms, like http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt |
| 09:02.08 | ixian_probe | zash: I think I saw an calculation/guesstimate on the profitmargin for sms. It was around 10.000% ^_^ |
| 09:02.18 | zash | hehe |
| 09:02.39 | zash | CM: no, we should make something for sms over grps |
| 09:02.56 | CM | zash: Naa.. That would be practical! :P |
| 09:03.11 | CM | zash: Just some jabber messaging would work :9 |
| 09:03.24 | emdete | sms over gprs is existing... |
| 09:03.26 | zash | jabber ftw ;) |
| 09:03.47 | ixian_probe | I want.. no DEMAND an Carrier Pidgeon interface on the GTAV02 ^_^ |
| 09:04.02 | ixian_probe | that would be practical |
| 09:04.09 | ixian_probe | ^_^ |
| 09:04.31 | emdete | here some people have sms-flat - would be nice to provide them ip for free ;) |
| 09:05.04 | ixian_probe | *poff* gone |
| 09:05.57 | CIA-14 | 03tick * r3510 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/sms_cb.c: [gsmd] to fix on reading a SMS with alpha value. (Erin Yueh) |
| 09:06.19 | gi-el | hm, the gsmd2 spec looks promising |
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| 09:07.09 | emdete | gi-el: where can i read aboutnit? |
| 09:07.35 | gi-el | http://ip.fi/~mudyc/projects/ixonos/tech-spec-gsm-daemon.pdf |
| 09:07.51 | gi-el | i read about it here: http://informationhunger.blogspot.com/2007/11/openmoko-is-growing.html |
| 09:08.00 | gi-el | bottom of the articel |
| 09:08.02 | CM | There's a link to a google doc of gsmd in bug 1026 :) |
| 09:08.10 | gi-el | s/el/le/ |
| 09:12.26 | emdete | hm, at least it uses dbus.. |
| 09:14.05 | gi-el | i've only scanned through it, but i think from a software architecture point of view the document is a nice start... i'll have to read it better tho |
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| 09:18.57 | emdete | gi-el: at least it's documented, for gsmd not even a state diagram exists |
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| 09:27.29 | mbuf | gi-el, doc says company confidential |
| 09:31.01 | gi-el | mbuf: i know |
| 09:31.18 | mbuf | gi-el, ok |
| 09:33.49 | gi-el | mbuf: it's not my document anyway :) |
| 09:44.12 | mudyc | gi-el: i was doing a snaptshot too fast. the company confidental is just the default restriction level for all documents in public listed company |
| 09:45.24 | zash | has anyone tried to get om onto a htc touch dual? |
| 09:47.13 | CM | mudyc: I'd say it's good to get it out fast and not perfect, instead of too late but polished :) |
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| 10:00.22 | edistar | hi |
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| 11:09.00 | NineX | re |
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| 12:12.16 | ScaredyCat | borg_: ping |
| 12:12.18 | ScaredyCat | even |
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| 12:15.13 | NineX | i will never again drink czech vodka :S my head is broken slightly |
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| 12:21.50 | borg_ | ScaredyCat: pong |
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| 12:27.50 | ScaredyCat | borg_: did you se mickey|zzZZzz's email ? |
| 12:28.28 | borg_ | the one that said that he applied the neod changes? |
| 12:28.30 | borg_ | yes |
| 12:29.10 | ScaredyCat | and that it would appear in the next snapshot... |
| 12:29.15 | borg_ | :) |
| 12:29.26 | ScaredyCat | imho it should be added to svn :D |
| 12:29.31 | borg_ | it is in svn |
| 12:29.43 | ScaredyCat | :O |
| 12:29.48 | ScaredyCat | your app ? |
| 12:29.52 | borg_ | yes |
| 12:29.54 | ScaredyCat | make update |
| 12:29.57 | ScaredyCat | erm |
| 12:30.02 | borg_ | wrong window ;) |
| 12:30.24 | zash | ScaredyCat: xterms all over? |
| 12:30.44 | borg_ | 02:43 < CIA-14> mickey * r3509 /trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/ (9 files in 3 dirs): neod: add display locking, code by Olaf Lüke, artwork by 'IfChinsCouldKill' |
| 12:30.49 | ScaredyCat | too many xterms, too many screens and too many pc's :( |
| 12:31.53 | zash | xterm > gnome-terminal |
| 12:32.36 | borg_ | i need tabs :) |
| 12:32.57 | roh | *mmmmh* .. my lenovo fan sirrs again |
| 12:32.59 | ScaredyCat | it doesn't help having auto raise on windows |
| 12:33.04 | gi-el | i already have workspaces |
| 12:33.06 | gi-el | fuck tabx |
| 12:33.13 | zash | borg_: just open more xterms |
| 12:33.14 | gi-el | s/x/s/ |
| 12:34.03 | borg_ | then my desktop gets so messy |
| 12:34.18 | gi-el | use a window manager that actually manages your windows! |
| 12:34.38 | zash | borg_: try wmii |
| 12:34.59 | gi-el | http://giel.operation0.org/desktop-20070726.png |
| 12:35.00 | gi-el | like that |
| 12:35.14 | gi-el | 4 terms per workspace, as many workspaces as i need ;) |
| 12:35.15 | borg_ | thats only 4 terminals |
| 12:35.53 | borg_ | if i make 4 terminals per workspace, i have to search for a terminal through all workspaces |
| 12:35.53 | gi-el | borg_: you can see in the lower left corner that there are 5 workspaces at that moment |
| 12:35.56 | borg_ | bad :) |
| 12:38.50 | edistar_ | gi-el: which wm? |
| 12:38.50 | edistar_ | gi-el: I use fluxbox, easy one ;) |
| 12:42.03 | borg_ | i am using this method for pragramming however |
| 12:42.03 | borg_ | with lots of gvim instances |
| 12:42.03 | borg_ | s/pragramming/programming/ |
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| 12:43.33 | edistar_ | gi-el: what music app are you using? |
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| 12:46.36 | borg_ | "NOTE: Before you start on something new, please consider helping us in the new tinyhal initiative." |
| 12:46.39 | borg_ | what is tinyhal? |
| 12:46.45 | borg_ | cant find anything about it |
| 12:48.46 | ruskie | sounds like hal but minimized |
| 12:49.04 | borg_ | yes |
| 12:49.06 | ruskie | might actually be usable for desktops as well if it's not pywritten |
| 12:49.12 | gi-el | edistar_: thats ncmpc connected to mpd |
| 12:49.29 | edistar_ | ah, ok |
| 12:50.39 | gi-el | gah. editing specs is boring work |
| 12:50.43 | gi-el | stupid etsi editing rules |
| 12:50.52 | gi-el | </complain> |
| 12:51.11 | hdr | would somebody kill me, if i asked for launch of GTA02? still december or later? ;) |
| 12:51.34 | edistar_ | hdr: very probably later |
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| 12:51.44 | grma | hi |
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| 12:51.56 | gi-el | hdr: there's someone at the door. it's the neo assassination squad :) |
| 12:52.23 | hdr | gi-el: not yet :P |
| 12:53.35 | fursund | damn no GTA02 under the christmas tree... :) |
| 12:54.20 | Sup3rkiddo | hi all |
| 12:55.01 | Sup3rkiddo | ...gr..i said hi |
| 12:55.36 | Sup3rkiddo | bah |
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| 12:58.53 | hdr | .. trying to compile qemu with gcc4 |
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| 13:00.35 | Sup3rkiddo | i thought qemu needs gcc3 |
| 13:01.54 | hdr | Sup3rkiddo: so i _try_ ;) |
| 13:02.07 | hdr | ok |
| 13:03.02 | Sup3rkiddo | hdr: i pledge my property if it compiles |
| 13:04.00 | hdr | Sup3rkiddo: oh it looks bad for you |
| 13:04.15 | hdr | make done ;) |
| 13:04.58 | Sup3rkiddo | hdr: :O, really? which gcc4.1.2? |
| 13:05.13 | hdr | gcc-Version 4.1.2 (Gentoo 4.1.2) |
| 13:05.30 | Sup3rkiddo | yay gentoo here as well |
| 13:05.36 | hdr | ;) |
| 13:06.10 | hdr | openmoko/download.sh failed ^^ no lynx installed ;) |
| 13:06.19 | Sup3rkiddo | emerge lynx |
| 13:06.32 | hdr | done |
| 13:07.17 | hdr | U-boot failed to finish writing in 300 seconds, giving up. |
| 13:07.58 | hdr | openmoko/flash.sh: line 91: 17532 Speicherzugriffsfehler $qemu -mtdblock "$script_dir/$flash_base" -kernel "$script_dir/$1" -serial stdio -nographic -usb -monitor null 0<&0 |
| 13:08.01 | fursund | isn't that the export failure? |
| 13:08.11 | hdr | maybe i has to use gcc3 for qemu |
| 13:08.15 | hdr | *have |
| 13:08.26 | fursund | maybe not |
| 13:10.11 | roh | you have. qemu's dyngen needs gcc3 since it depends on the binary-lkayout |
| 13:12.19 | roh | gcc4 miscompiles that sections somehow |
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| 13:12.54 | hdr | hm i don't get Sup3rkiddo 's property? |
| 13:12.55 | Sup3rkiddo | torpor: :O. new one?!, anyway please do post a step-by-step writeup somewhere in the wiki, my ESP senses a brick |
| 13:12.55 | Sup3rkiddo | yay netsplit |
| 13:13.40 | torpor | you bricked, Sup3rkiddo ? |
| 13:14.33 | Sup3rkiddo | torpor: no not yet, just an uneasy feeling, it going to :P, |
| 13:14.51 | torpor | brr.. |
| 13:15.23 | Sup3rkiddo | but a good howto should really help |
| 13:15.34 | torpor | thing is, its not something i wanna think about right now! :) |
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| 13:16.24 | Sup3rkiddo | haha |
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| 13:27.16 | CM | zecke|zZzzzZzzzz: No more flue? :) |
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| 13:30.20 | zecke|zZzzzZzzzz | CM: I just woke up need to do the flu test but I probably still have it |
| 13:32.29 | CM | Sucks.. :-/ |
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| 14:01.19 | borg_ | ScaredyCat: did the update work? |
| 14:02.25 | ScaredyCat | ya |
| 14:02.32 | borg_ | nice |
| 14:02.33 | ScaredyCat | just building all my images |
| 14:02.37 | borg_ | :) |
| 14:02.43 | ScaredyCat | will flash my neo soon |
| 14:02.46 | ScaredyCat | and test :D |
| 14:03.00 | ScaredyCat | i presume there's no config app |
| 14:03.00 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 14:03.07 | emdete | ScaredyCat: do you have a new one from the famous ScaredyCat images? |
| 14:03.56 | ScaredyCat | just making them emdete |
| 14:04.07 | ScaredyCat | but I like to test them too |
| 14:04.58 | emdete | in the last image i tried /etc/resolv.conf is a file, not a symlink to where ppp needs it... |
| 14:07.16 | ScaredyCat | I've removed it completely for newer images, since when you plug in usb it creates it... |
| 14:07.23 | ScaredyCat | the smae should be happening for ppp |
| 14:07.45 | emdete | have you tested that? ppp needs it in /var... |
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| 14:08.03 | emdete | s/in/point to/ |
| 14:08.33 | emdete | which script creates it for usb0? |
| 14:09.26 | ScaredyCat | hrrrmmmmmm..... |
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| 14:10.57 | CIA-14 | 03sameo * r3511 10/developers/sameo/ (11 files in 3 dirs): |
| 14:10.58 | CIA-14 | ar6k-atheros: Initial commit, against 1.1 target FW. |
| 14:10.58 | CIA-14 | With this patch series, we should be able to send our first probe |
| 14:10.58 | CIA-14 | request, although a bogus one. Wireless-tools command work as well. |
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| 14:17.09 | emdete | ScaredyCat: ? |
| 14:20.07 | ScaredyCat | sorry, distracted by work |
| 14:20.09 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 14:20.35 | emdete | yees, work is evil |
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| 14:21.15 | emdete | so ifupdown now accept a nameserver in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 14:24.02 | Sup3rkiddo | did i see atheros in the last commit |
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| 14:36.13 | Ghiottone|work | hi all |
| 14:36.42 | Ghiottone|work | I need the sources for the old OABI version of glibc. where can I find them? |
| 14:37.42 | emdete | Ghiottone|work: isn't the source the same but differently compiled for oabi? |
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| 14:45.14 | torpor | anyone gotten abiword running? |
| 14:45.41 | CM | torpor: I think i saw that a long time ago, like in august |
| 14:45.48 | CM | So yes :) |
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| 14:46.00 | torpor | but is it working now? |
| 14:46.03 | torpor | i will find out |
| 14:46.28 | torpor | the reason i want to know is coz i'm working on an app that uses librsvg right now and its not working |
| 14:46.44 | CM | Ah, ok. Don't know if it works now |
| 14:48.40 | torpor | okay it looks like its in the aengstrom distro .. |
| 14:48.52 | torpor | how safe is it to add aestrom to the current image sources list? |
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| 14:51.39 | mwester | torpor: OpenMoko is an Angstrom-based distro. |
| 14:51.51 | torpor | so i can just add aengstrom to /etc/ipkg and away i go, right |
| 14:52.04 | mwester | No, angstrom is a distro, not a package. |
| 14:52.15 | torpor | i mean, sure i know that openmoko is based on aengstrom .. this doens't mean the repo's are safe against eac other.. |
| 14:52.25 | mwester | That's like saying "I'll just add Debian to an RPM, and install it on my Fedora system" |
| 14:52.39 | torpor | what i mean is, can i add the angstrom feedto my openmoko sources list, and install apps from it safely? |
| 14:53.15 | torpor | mwester: actually i don't think it is at all like saying that. aren't aengstrom and openmoko using .ipk's for distribution? |
| 14:53.55 | mwester | Ok, perhaps a better analogy would be that Angstrom vs Openmoko would be like i686 vs i386 on two different distros that both use RPMs. |
| 14:54.19 | mwester | You really should build it from source, if it works from the Angstrom feed, it's just good fortune, I think. |
| 14:54.19 | torpor | so i can't use angstrom ipk's on an openmoko image? |
| 14:54.36 | torpor | so the feed can be used, but there's a possible problem? |
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| 14:55.20 | CM | Isn't abiword in the full openmoko feed? |
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| 14:55.25 | torpor | i don't see it. |
| 14:55.35 | CM | ScaredyCat: You have it? |
| 14:56.02 | haakeyar | torpor: See planet.openmoko.org, quite far down. "This image will give you all the features from the openmoko image (since openmoko is a rebranded angstrom) plus it gives you access to the awesome Ångström package repository!." |
| 14:56.12 | torpor | meh! |
| 14:56.13 | haakeyar | So, apparently it should work. |
| 14:56.24 | torpor | i don't wanna change the image i'm booting - i want to keep booting the main moko one .. |
| 14:56.47 | torpor | but okay i'll check out that image and see if there's anything obvious in it .. thanks! |
| 14:57.01 | mwester | torpor: try it. |
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| 15:01.31 | Ghiottone|work | hey CM |
| 15:01.53 | Ghiottone|work | emdete that is what I'd like to know. I'm refering to the gllin chroot libraries |
| 15:02.22 | CM | Ghiottone|work: You want the wrapper or the source? :) |
| 15:02.29 | CM | Ghiottone|work: And hello too :) |
| 15:02.43 | torpor | a gllin pkg is badly needed! |
| 15:03.03 | torpor | even if its 'illegal to distribute', it should just be done by someone so that it 'just plain works' and can go in the tree when permission is given .. |
| 15:03.38 | Ghiottone|work | CM I need the sources of the OABI glibc. well, not directly me but the developer of elf statifier needs it |
| 15:04.16 | Ghiottone|work | torpor yeah that's why I'm working with the developer to port statifier to the moko |
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| 15:04.31 | torpor | oh statifier, i see .. |
| 15:04.33 | torpor | that would make it easy |
| 15:05.42 | CM | Ghiottone|work: The sources are the same, OABI or EABI is just the compilation, as emdete said :) |
| 15:06.50 | Ghiottone|work | which version of glibc is it? is there a way I can ask mokomakefile to build the oabi one (so that I have the right workdir with all the patches applied?) |
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| 15:09.02 | debortol | as |
| 15:09.56 | CM | Ghiottone|work: I think you can still switch to the 2007.1 profile in the makefile |
| 15:10.18 | balrog-kun | Ghiottone|work: no matter which version, there are no separate OABI or EABI sources |
| 15:10.31 | emdete | Ghiottone|work: you may download those... there is a link in the wiki from where |
| 15:10.39 | balrog-kun | you can build OABI even without switching i believe |
| 15:11.54 | emdete | Ghiottone|work: http://www.openmoko.org.pl/node/55 - easier than re-building ;) |
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| 15:15.24 | CIA-14 | 03chris * r3512 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 15:15.24 | CIA-14 | * src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-mcc-dc.h: |
| 15:15.24 | CIA-14 | Replace "+1-" with "+1" |
| 15:15.24 | CIA-14 | * src/phone-kit/moko-dialer.c: (on_network_registered), |
| 15:15.25 | CIA-14 | (start_handling_sms), (net_msghandler), (pb_msghandler), |
| 15:15.27 | CIA-14 | (sms_store_opened_cb), (dialer_init_gsmd), |
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| 15:15.29 | CIA-14 | (moko_dialer_check_gsmd), (moko_dialer_send_sms): |
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| 15:16.01 | Ghiottone|work | mmm ok thanks. I'll try having him look at the sources in my work dir. if they don't match I'll try rebuilding the 2007.1 version. |
| 15:16.09 | Ghiottone|work | emdete on that article there are only binaries |
| 15:17.12 | emdete | Ghiottone|work: exaclty what i ment: no need to compile |
| 15:17.39 | emdete | Ghiottone|work: or did you want to build a complete image in oabi? |
| 15:17.42 | CIA-14 | 03mickey * r3513 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-gsm/ (ChangeLog src/openmoko-panel-gsm.c): openmoko-panel-gsm: Fix crash on signal strength == 99 (applet != applet->mokoapplet) |
| 15:18.30 | CM | :) |
| 15:18.31 | Ghiottone|work | emdete no he just needed to look at the sources |
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| 15:24.16 | Writchie | http://xkcd.com/ |
| 15:26.48 | CM | Writchie: http://xkcd.com/atom.xml ;) |
| 15:28.40 | lysanderslair | ou 9 |
| 15:28.42 | abraxa_ | I don't get the last panel :( |
| 15:28.49 | abraxa_ | Why are they swimming suddenly? |
| 15:28.54 | lysanderslair | sorry wrong channel |
| 15:29.45 | Writchie | abraxa_: its now down to surviving! |
| 15:30.24 | abraxa_ | Oh, heh |
| 15:30.34 | abraxa_ | I'll never touch *BSD then ;) |
| 15:30.53 | CM | Hehe.. The title texts are always great :) |
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| 15:31.31 | Writchie | substitute OM for BSD ;) |
| 15:32.09 | abraxa_ | Hey! OM is not *that* bad ;) |
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| 15:32.22 | abraxa_ | (it'll be piranhas, not sharks) |
| 15:32.37 | zash | hm, i know! i could install om on my laptop and use it as a giant phone! |
| 15:33.10 | CM | Does it even build for x86? |
| 15:33.42 | CM | I tried several times this summer, but I never managed to complete a build |
| 15:34.18 | zash | :( |
| 15:34.54 | zash | if you culd compile for x86, would it be faster when running some emulator? |
| 15:35.09 | zash | without emulating ARM |
| 15:35.51 | Writchie | yes |
| 15:35.57 | SpeedEvil | vastly |
| 15:36.09 | SpeedEvil | hundreds of times the speed in some cases |
| 15:36.45 | Writchie | overall, i'd say the neo is roughly a P100 with a crappy video card - more or less. |
| 15:36.53 | SpeedEvil | pretty much |
| 15:37.11 | SpeedEvil | much faster sequential RAM access |
| 15:37.17 | SpeedEvil | but much slower FP |
| 15:37.22 | SpeedEvil | so it's generally a wash |
| 15:37.28 | balrog-kun | much more ram than you had in P100 times |
| 15:37.30 | Writchie | some things can be very fast |
| 15:37.55 | Writchie | yes - more ram than we really need - but we'll fill it up for sure |
| 15:38.14 | CM | Writchie: Yeah, like depleting the battery is very fast.. :P |
| 15:38.17 | Writchie | 128 RAM with 64MB nand is a little unbalanced |
| 15:38.33 | Writchie | CM: ROTFLMAO |
| 15:39.45 | zash | wp - "Because of their power saving features, ARM CPUs are dominant in the mobile electronics market" |
| 15:40.00 | zash | CM: you seem to not agree to that ;) |
| 15:40.29 | Writchie | zash: yes ARM is mobile king |
| 15:40.35 | _buz | x86 would suck even more juice |
| 15:40.58 | Writchie | zash: if you don't screw up the overall system design |
| 15:41.26 | loufoque | Writchie: it's much faster than a P100 |
| 15:41.33 | mwester | zash: ;) :D OM demonstrates that it is possible to take a porsche engine, and make a Chevy Nova from it. |
| 15:41.33 | loufoque | more like a P2 400 |
| 15:41.55 | mwester | Except without any FP |
| 15:42.20 | _buz | mwester: you had any doubts on that? |
| 15:42.38 | _buz | i'd be a lot more shocked if someone did the opposite |
| 15:42.44 | mwester | _buz: :P No, but I didn't figure anyone would leave it that way for so long! |
| 15:43.43 | CM | Hehe |
| 15:45.49 | _buz | maybe we should rename it from openmoko to opennova (pun only works in spanish) |
| 15:46.41 | ScaredyCat | borg_: mmm didn;t get included.. |
| 15:47.38 | CM | ScaredyCat: Locked src_rev of neod? |
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| 15:49.39 | borg_ | ScaredyCat: ah ok, same happend here |
| 15:50.21 | borg_ | i thought i demolished my neo_svn.bb file somehow |
| 15:50.54 | hdr | can you wirte a sms with openmoko yet? |
| 15:51.31 | _buz | if you're quick enough |
| 15:51.34 | borg_ | depends on what you understand among "write" |
| 15:51.57 | hdr | like with an normal mobile phone |
| 15:52.04 | borg_ | no |
| 15:52.09 | borg_ | there is no gui for it |
| 15:52.26 | hdr | but it's coming? |
| 15:52.31 | borg_ | yes |
| 15:52.35 | borg_ | openmoko-messages2 |
| 15:52.41 | borg_ | you can compile and test it already |
| 15:52.50 | borg_ | dont know if it actually sends something now |
| 15:53.00 | hdr | k thx |
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| 16:01.24 | borg_ | ScaredyCat: where do i have to change the src_rev? |
| 16:01.31 | borg_ | in neod_svn.bb? |
| 16:03.02 | abraxa_ | borg_: openembedded/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc |
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| 16:03.20 | ScaredyCat | sorry, yes what abraxa_ said |
| 16:03.38 | borg_ | ah |
| 16:03.42 | borg_ | i thx |
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| 16:04.37 | ScaredyCat | bascially, it wasn't your fault :) |
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| 16:11.09 | CIA-14 | 03chris * r3514 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 16:11.09 | CIA-14 | * src/sms-compose.c: (page_shown): |
| 16:11.09 | CIA-14 | * src/sms-notes.c: (page_shown): |
| 16:11.09 | CIA-14 | * src/sms-utils.c: (sms_get_selected_contact): |
| 16:11.09 | CIA-14 | * src/sms-utils.h: |
| 16:11.09 | CIA-14 | Fix leak in function to get selected contact |
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| 16:16.16 | ScaredyCat | well it might be :) |
| 16:21.53 | CIA-14 | 03chris * r3515 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 16:21.53 | CIA-14 | * src/sms-compose.c: (page_shown): |
| 16:21.53 | CIA-14 | * src/sms-notes.c: (page_shown): |
| 16:21.53 | CIA-14 | * src/sms-utils.c: (sms_get_selected_contact): |
| 16:21.53 | CIA-14 | * src/sms-utils.h: |
| 16:21.53 | CIA-14 | Fix contacts without avatars not getting the stock_person icon |
| 16:24.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1028 has been created by mickey(AT)vanille-media.de |
| 16:24.02 | cdbot2 | * * PIN dialog appears multiple times |
| 16:24.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1028 |
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| 16:34.15 | ifchinscouldkill | Borg: Your Wiki download images are a bit messed up in http://homepages.upb.de/olaf/dinge/openmoko/display_lock/moko_choice/ they look like the puzzle ones (at least behind my companys proxy...) |
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| 16:35.02 | borg_ | ifchinscouldkill: damn, you are right ;) |
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| 16:37.15 | borg_ | ifchinscouldkill: it is fixed |
| 16:38.22 | ifchinscouldkill | hehe |
| 16:38.58 | borg_ | mickeyl: can you adjust the srcrevs in sane-srcrevs.inc too? |
| 16:39.11 | borg_ | for neod |
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| 16:40.37 | mickeyl | yes, I'll bump all that once i have released the snapshot. i can't push anything in between |
| 16:40.51 | borg_ | ah ok |
| 16:40.52 | borg_ | i see :) |
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| 16:41.52 | ScaredyCat | borg_: just uploading it in my images :) |
| 16:42.08 | borg_ | ScaredyCat: nice :) |
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| 16:45.15 | tuukkah | my phone screen took some permanent damage from the headset clip :-( |
| 16:45.44 | dcordes | ~lart headset |
| 16:45.44 | apt | does a little 'dpkg -P headset' action |
| 16:46.08 | tuukkah | lol |
| 16:46.34 | tuukkah | dcordes, what's the alternative? |
| 16:47.55 | abraxa__ | tuukkah: What kind of damage? |
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| 16:48.43 | tuukkah | abraxa_, a sharp corner punched a scratch on it |
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| 16:49.02 | abraxa_ | Oh boo... |
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| 16:51.39 | tuukkah | abraxa_, yeah, no blood =) |
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| 16:55.37 | ScaredyCat | borg_: default is the puzzle? |
| 16:57.59 | borg_ | ScaredyCat: yes, mickeyl says the other one is to offensive for the official repo |
| 16:58.08 | borg_ | but you can put what ever you want in yours of course :) |
| 16:58.41 | ScaredyCat | wtf |
| 16:59.04 | borg_ | =) |
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| 17:01.00 | Stephmw | ScaredyCat: new announcement? |
| 17:02.13 | mickeyl | ideally i like something in between |
| 17:02.29 | mickeyl | puzzle is cool, but che guevara is much prettier |
| 17:03.31 | ScaredyCat | why is it offensive though? |
| 17:03.41 | tuukkah | perhaps a competition for artists? |
| 17:04.31 | ScaredyCat | fic are making a statement with the openness of the device, why not follow that on the device? |
| 17:04.51 | tuukkah | perhaps it just needs to be more subtle |
| 17:05.04 | mickeyl | it looks too much guerillia |
| 17:05.09 | SpeedEvil | what is this contriversial picture? |
| 17:05.26 | borg_ | mickeyl: can you give me some information about tinyhal? i cant find any. |
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| 17:06.24 | mickeyl | borg_: i'm going to blog about it later today. it's part of a collaboration between most people who worked on low level daemons for OE-supported devices in the past |
| 17:06.28 | ScaredyCat | SpeedEvil: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Display_Locker |
| 17:06.38 | mickeyl | borg_: the timing is good. we are just about to start with it |
| 17:06.40 | CM | Interesting :) |
| 17:06.58 | ScaredyCat | the midle one |
| 17:07.00 | ScaredyCat | middle |
| 17:07.00 | borg_ | mickeyl: i intend to allow applications to say to phoned that e.g. the brightness shouldnt be reduced for a certain amount of time |
| 17:07.03 | borg_ | and things like that |
| 17:07.20 | borg_ | dont know if this belongs in a hal? |
| 17:07.20 | mickeyl | borg_: i think this is out of scope. we should really use OHM for that |
| 17:07.29 | mickeyl | and make tinyhal speak the same dbus interface as HAL to OHM |
| 17:07.34 | mickeyl | OHM is exactly about these policy things |
| 17:07.39 | mickeyl | and has Nokia behind |
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| 17:07.48 | PP|Spydon | What exactly is 3D Accelerometers? :P |
| 17:07.49 | borg_ | ok |
| 17:07.58 | borg_ | mickeyl: we have to get some interface for applications for that |
| 17:08.06 | SpeedEvil | PP|Spydon: see [[Technical:Accelerometer]] on teh wiki |
| 17:08.07 | borg_ | there is everyday someone asking here for it |
| 17:08.09 | josch | CM, what for is gsmd2? will it replace gsmd? |
| 17:08.15 | borg_ | watching /dev/event* is so bad... |
| 17:08.18 | PP|Spydon | okay, SpeedEvil |
| 17:08.20 | mickeyl | borg_: yep. i'm going to blog about it tonite and then i hope we can all work together on freesmartphone.org |
| 17:08.21 | SpeedEvil | PP|Spydon: basically they tell the phone where down is |
| 17:08.28 | PP|Spydon | nice ^^ |
| 17:08.38 | CM | josch: It's a suggested replacement, up for discussion. Ask mudyc or fatal- :) |
| 17:09.06 | CM | josch: Or mickeyl of course ;) |
| 17:09.50 | josch | guys like Sup3rkiddo are working on a python gsmd binding - I'm worried this will be rendered useless if gsmd will be replaced? |
| 17:10.39 | CM | josch: It might anyway, if you have a good dbus interface. Or? |
| 17:11.41 | abraxa_ | josch: It will be unnecessary in the long run but until then we at least *have* something :) |
| 17:12.16 | Writchie | mickeyl: who is behind FreeSmartPhone.org |
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| 17:13.28 | mickeyl | Writchie: me, nils and florian from gpe(phone), and probably soon the lot trying to get HTC devices, Zaurus devices, etc. running |
| 17:13.55 | mickeyl | we have implemented half a dozen of device daemons throughout the years |
| 17:13.56 | Writchie | it sounds like a great idea - but why restricted to X? |
| 17:14.16 | mickeyl | and now the time is good to just do one... and do it right |
| 17:14.17 | mickeyl | oh right |
| 17:14.19 | mickeyl | i should remove that |
| 17:14.44 | Writchie | i think this layer ought to be neutral WRT what's above |
| 17:14.55 | mickeyl | done |
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| 17:24.31 | Writchie | mickeyl: confirmation e-mail doesn't seem to be working - or is incredibly slow |
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| 17:24.47 | borg_ | mickeyl: i can confirm this :) |
| 17:24.51 | borg_ | havent got one either |
| 17:26.23 | mickeyl | wiki confirmation? |
| 17:26.43 | Writchie | on preferences page |
| 17:26.59 | mickeyl | ah |
| 17:27.02 | mickeyl | there goes my admin skillz |
| 17:27.09 | mickeyl | let me check the logs |
| 17:27.09 | Writchie | ;) |
| 17:27.23 | Writchie | don't you test in a VM first? |
| 17:27.28 | mickeyl | no time :/ |
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| 17:27.45 | mickeyl | i just did because it think now it's a super important time to do it |
| 17:27.52 | Writchie | yes |
| 17:28.07 | Writchie | legacies are being created way too fast |
| 17:28.59 | mickeyl | :)) |
| 17:29.01 | mickeyl | no worries |
| 17:29.02 | mickeyl | thanks |
| 17:29.06 | CM | ;) |
| 17:29.24 | mickeyl | actually I just try to move to some less hours for paid OM work |
| 17:29.35 | mickeyl | to get more time free for other things |
| 17:29.42 | CM | Sounds good |
| 17:30.56 | CM | Pleasant post from LaF0rge too :) |
| 17:31.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1029 has been created by andrew.paulsen(AT)packetdigital.com |
| 17:31.02 | cdbot2 | * * Progress bar animation |
| 17:31.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1029 |
| 17:31.30 | mickeyl | i got the confirmation mail |
| 17:31.34 | mickeyl | so it's probably underway for you |
| 17:31.46 | mickeyl | new blog post? |
| 17:31.50 | CM | Yes |
| 17:32.17 | mickeyl | oho |
| 17:32.23 | mickeyl | "It seems like all the time with OpenMoko has actually made me forget how easy and fast things have been moving all the time before ;)" |
| 17:32.27 | mickeyl | i can feel the pun |
| 17:32.42 | CM | Hehe |
| 17:32.43 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
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| 17:50.39 | PBeck | hi |
| 17:52.41 | tuukkah | could we tweak something in the mixer to make the perceived volume of headphones and speakers match at least somewhat? |
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| 17:57.19 | tuukkah | headphones become audible at volume 36 and speakers at 62. good volume for headphones is 60, for speakers 91. (these with Amp at 68) |
| 17:57.58 | LarstiQ | tuukkah: I'd think this normal? |
| 17:58.52 | tuukkah | not good usability, me thinks |
| 18:00.53 | tuukkah | hmm, of course there's an advantage too: the headphone switch is a bit flaky, so it's good you don't disturb others even if it switches to speakers by accident |
| 18:01.40 | LarstiQ | tuukkah: well, it is what I'd expect, the headphones being a lot closer to my hearing equipment than the speakers. |
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| 18:03.30 | tuukkah | LarstiQ, depends on what the measure of volume is |
| 18:04.47 | tuukkah | imho, the user-friendly measure is perceived loudness |
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| 18:05.21 | LarstiQ | I want 100 to be maximum the hardware is capable of at least |
| 18:05.26 | tuukkah | i suppose in practise it's voltage? |
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| 18:07.09 | tuukkah | LarstiQ, even if that means the usable range is from 0 to 5 ?-) |
| 18:07.51 | LarstiQ | tuukkah: the scale need not be linear |
| 18:08.06 | tuukkah | it helps that there's the separate Amp setting |
| 18:08.17 | pH5 | usually it's some chip-specific scale that can be translated into +dB or -dB, depending on whether it is an attenuation or gain control. |
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| 18:09.02 | tuukkah | LarstiQ, then you need to be able to adjust the non-linearity so the precision is where you need it? |
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| 18:10.24 | tuukkah | pH5, so a logarithm of voltage? |
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| 18:10.43 | LarstiQ | tuukkah: ideally not of course |
| 18:12.20 | tuukkah | i suppose i can reformulate my original question better: do we have mixer settings that let us tweak headphone and speaker volume independently? |
| 18:12.56 | LarstiQ | ooh, that would be good :) |
| 18:13.02 | pH5 | tuukkah: yes :) |
| 18:13.13 | tuukkah | pH5, which ones are those? |
| 18:13.27 | pH5 | tuukkah: install amixer or alsamixer to see what is possible. |
| 18:13.42 | tuukkah | pH5, i'm looking at the list but haven't found anything |
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| 18:15.44 | pH5 | tuukkah: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv4t/alsa-utils-alsamixer_1.0.14-r1_armv4t.ipk |
| 18:16.31 | tuukkah | i mean i'm running alsamixer right now and testing the controls available |
| 18:16.50 | pH5 | oh, sorry |
| 18:16.55 | tuukkah | there's "Headphone" and that affects both |
| 18:17.09 | tuukkah | then there's "Speaker" and that doesn't affect anything |
| 18:17.55 | tuukkah | "Speaker" might affect the connection between GSM and audio or something |
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| 18:18.22 | tuukkah | and "Headphone" is obviously the main volume setting |
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| 18:21.24 | pH5 | hm, I can't test. the image I have flashed has non-working sound due to an oops in snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753 :/ |
| 18:21.59 | tuukkah | wiki says: "headset speaker path: RIN/LIN -> LHP/RHP" and later "speaker path: RIN/LIN -> LLS+-/RLS+-" |
| 18:22.44 | tuukkah | so what i'm looking for should be between those outputs and the actual speakers |
| 18:24.59 | tuukkah | there's something similar though: "Amp Earpiece 6dB" toggles additional amplification to the mono speaker |
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| 18:27.28 | tuukkah | wolfson.co.uk doesn't give me any page content now so i can't recheck the datasheet, but i don't recall more than a shared volume control for headphones and speakers |
| 18:28.02 | pH5 | RIN/LIN(in) and LLS+-/RLS+-(out) are pins on the LM4857 amplifier |
| 18:28.07 | tuukkah | "400: No Host matches server name wolfson.co.uk" |
| 18:29.01 | tuukkah | pH5, yeah, and the amp doesn't contain anything for the independent tweaking, so it would need to be done after it |
| 18:29.24 | pH5 | tuukkah: they indeed use ROUT1/LOUT1 on the wolfson for both headset and speakers and do the switching in LM4857 |
| 18:29.25 | tuukkah | (if i recall correctly) |
| 18:30.22 | pH5 | tuukkah: you are right |
| 18:30.46 | tuukkah | i was wrong in that i thought the wolfson could've helped something |
| 18:30.47 | pH5 | it only has one of mono, left and right volume controls each |
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| 18:32.41 | pH5 | stupid me, I thought they would have at least used different outputs on the wm for speaker and headset |
| 18:33.28 | tuukkah | i wonder why the need for the extra amp |
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| 18:34.59 | tuukkah | more watts could be a good guess |
| 18:35.58 | pH5 | tuukkah: likely so, the wm's speaker driver only has 0.5W output |
| 18:36.55 | tuukkah | this gives the impression that's the lm4857 output: https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/LM4857 |
| 18:36.55 | zash | omg, qemu runs nicer on my laptop than my workws |
| 18:36.58 | pH5 | but I still don't understand why the headphones have to go through the amp, too. |
| 18:37.32 | _buz | pH5: there may be headphones with bigger drivers than the internal speakers... |
| 18:37.36 | zash | Dual 1.6GHz + 1GB RAM > crap |
| 18:37.38 | zash | hihi |
| 18:37.46 | pH5 | tuukkah: that information is wrong, the LM specsheet says 1.6W or 1.2W depending on resistance |
| 18:37.57 | _buz | in fact i'm quite sure that the set i currently have on my ears has bigger ones |
| 18:38.22 | _buz | (but no, i wouldnt not use them with a mobile player :) |
| 18:38.27 | pH5 | _buz: but that is very inconsistent with the used 2.5mm plug |
| 18:38.44 | pH5 | so I don't believe that this was the reason |
| 18:38.48 | _buz | i dont think the plug is very much of an issue when pushing 1 or 2W :P |
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| 18:39.19 | pH5 | _buz: you know that's not what I meant :) |
| 18:39.39 | _buz | yeah but you also know why there is a 2,5mm plug dont you |
| 18:40.04 | tuukkah | pH5, that 1.6W is perhaps all six channels combined, as the text below says "495mW per channel" |
| 18:40.05 | pH5 | guilty as charged |
| 18:40.23 | PP|Spydon | is there something like 3.5 to 2.5 converter plug? :P |
| 18:40.30 | _buz | sure |
| 18:40.32 | zash | why does half the panel have gray bg? |
| 18:40.39 | _buz | cost like 0.01$ on ebay |
| 18:40.43 | PP|Spydon | nice ^^ |
| 18:40.53 | _buz | (and 10$ shipping of course) |
| 18:41.03 | PP|Spydon | hehe |
| 18:41.07 | tuukkah | the neo should ship with a converter then |
| 18:41.15 | _buz | it may in fact do |
| 18:41.25 | tuukkah | mine didn't ;-) |
| 18:41.26 | _buz | oh no, i think its in ear plugs |
| 18:42.11 | _buz | that's like, not very much in hard currenty |
| 18:42.20 | ewon | agreed |
| 18:42.23 | cjb_ie | what's that in real mo... damn your nimble fingers :) |
| 18:42.23 | pH5 | I wish the n8xx had an umts chip onboard |
| 18:42.36 | _buz | a gsm would do it for me |
| 18:42.38 | ewon | I'd buy one, if I could think of any use for an n800 |
| 18:42.50 | _buz | ewon: i'm trying to find one myself |
| 18:42.57 | _buz | maybe as media player |
| 18:43.42 | _buz | if the thing had any kind of gsm or umts i'd have ordered one long ago |
| 18:44.04 | ewon | me too. |
| 18:44.18 | ewon | I'm pondering getting a htc tytn II here in the US |
| 18:44.28 | ewon | with an AT&T contract it's pretty cheap |
| 18:44.32 | _buz | ewon: i was looking at a s710 |
| 18:44.39 | zash | is contacts suposed to say 'Add Phone Number" twice? |
| 18:44.40 | _buz | but htc is windows mobile |
| 18:44.44 | _buz | which is like useless |
| 18:44.51 | _buz | mwester: what do you actually use it for |
| 18:44.54 | zash | htc + om would be nice |
| 18:45.08 | ewon | _buz: it's servicable |
| 18:45.15 | ewon | better than earlier windows mobile, that's for sure |
| 18:45.25 | ewon | at least with a copy of visual studio I can write my own software |
| 18:45.28 | _buz | ewon: yeah but it's said to still occasionally suffer of gsm stack crashes you dont notice |
| 18:45.37 | ewon | wonderful |
| 18:45.40 | _buz | yeah |
| 18:45.46 | _buz | makes it pretty useless for a phone, really |
| 18:45.52 | _buz | i mean if it at least rebooted |
| 18:45.53 | ewon | indeed |
| 18:46.03 | ewon | guess that's that one struck off the list |
| 18:46.13 | _buz | well do some research, that's what i have been told anyway |
| 18:46.16 | ewon | isn't the android thing suposed to run on HTC variant? |
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| 18:46.31 | _buz | htc says they have a number of android devices in the works |
| 18:46.44 | ewon | I may wait |
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| 18:46.51 | _buz | just gimme a vga tytn II with android :P |
| 18:47.00 | ewon | I'd buy the moko but the keyboard is the dealbreaker |
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| 18:47.17 | mwester | _buz: email, xchat, football scores and game updates, video and audio while on airplanes, VNC and remote desktop support of the home systems via VPN... |
| 18:47.22 | _buz | i'd still buy it, but at this point in time, 450$ for a non existant device is too much |
| 18:47.34 | _buz | xchat on a touchscreen? you into S/M? |
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| 18:47.52 | mwester | _buz: it beats a treo. But I do that to. |
| 18:47.53 | _buz | how long does the battery hold up for mp3 and video? |
| 18:48.06 | mwester | At least several hours. |
| 18:48.17 | _buz | mhh i might still get one then :P |
| 18:48.19 | mwester | Longer than the typical flights I take. |
| 18:48.33 | _buz | does it come with a sip client these days? |
| 18:48.44 | mwester | Gizmo does that, no? |
| 18:48.47 | _buz | i could use a decent wlan sip phone |
| 18:49.21 | mwester | Skype and Gizmo are just a download, I expect there are other clients but I don't need them. |
| 18:49.22 | _buz | (which is why i wont buy gta01, incidentally) |
| 18:49.49 | mwester | Well, I bought a gta01. And despite more features it is less useful than the N800. :( Very sad. |
| 18:50.15 | _buz | there are no gsm sd cards or are there |
| 18:50.18 | mwester | And since the GTA02 does not seem to be an option, I've committed to the N800. |
| 18:50.44 | mwester | No, no gsm sd cards. I use my Treo as a network gateway via bluetooth for the N800 |
| 18:50.58 | _buz | yeah but that still means two devices to carry |
| 18:51.08 | _buz | i'm still waiting for the one linux device to rule them |
| 18:51.17 | mwester | Yes. That's exactly what I wanted the Neo to fix -- I wanted one device with it all. :( |
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| 18:51.47 | _buz | no camera, no qwerty |
| 18:52.15 | _buz | btw, after the recent delay, is there a new tentative schedule? |
| 18:52.29 | anrp | recent delay? |
| 18:52.37 | _buz | well somewhat recent |
| 18:52.42 | mwester | Ah, yes. The camera is not a problem -- I carry an ancient old cell phone without camera because I go into many places where I am not permitted to have cameras. The qwerty would be nice, however. |
| 18:53.14 | _buz | i'd get a n810 but without gsm, it costs too much |
| 18:53.21 | mwester | But I'm becoming pretty good with touchscreen keyboards on both the N800 and the Neo. |
| 18:53.44 | mwester | The 810 appears to have just a few features more, but not worth the premium $. |
| 18:53.44 | _buz | i've been carrying a p900 for 4 years now. i'd still prefer qwerty to touchscreen |
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| 18:54.00 | _buz | (tho infinitely prefer touchscreen to the suckage that is t9) |
| 18:54.15 | mwester | For example, the specs say the n810 has a faster CPU, but the CPU slows down to the same speed as the N800 when playing videos. |
| 18:54.28 | _buz | thought hardware was mostly the same |
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| 18:55.23 | mwester | It is - that's why they slow the CPU down. Apparently it matches the video hardware better when the clock of the cpu runs at some certain speed in relation to the video chipset. So not enough hardware diffs to justify the extra $200 to $300 it will cos. |
| 18:55.31 | mwester | cost, even. |
| 18:55.44 | _buz | yeah at 50$ more i'd get it for qwerty |
| 18:55.53 | _buz | but not at more than twice the price |
| 18:55.54 | mwester | And the built-in GPS is nice. |
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| 18:56.05 | _buz | i dont really need that right now |
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| 18:56.28 | mwester | And I hear that Nokia even provides a DRIVER FOR THE GPS!!! What ground-breaking marketing, no? |
| 18:56.44 | _buz | and probably software with actual maps, too |
| 18:57.47 | josch | mwester, as mickeyl said fic finally released the eula |
| 18:58.10 | tuukkah | i was demoed the free maemo mapper today, with scripts that download the map data from google |
| 18:58.32 | _buz | tuukkah: its kinda useless on the road |
| 18:58.40 | _buz | as you're not allowed to cache google maps |
| 18:58.49 | _buz | (and neither is google maps suited for navigation) |
| 18:58.52 | tuukkah | _buz, oh, those scripts do... |
| 18:58.53 | mwester | josch: where? is this on the announce list? |
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| 18:59.28 | tuukkah | _buz, and google was able to provide routes and instructions that can be spoken |
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| 19:00.53 | josch | mwester, well it seems he only spoke about this in our german channel |
| 19:01.31 | mwester | Ah. Ok. Sorry, nothing personal, but at this point in time I'll believe it only after I've downloaded the binary. It's been six months now? |
| 19:01.34 | josch | mwester, he said he would blog this evening maybe he says something about gllin there |
| 19:01.36 | _buz | does he perchance also talk about gta02 release date :) |
| 19:01.57 | abraxa_ | lol |
| 19:02.16 | _buz | as far as gta02, i'll believe it when i hold it in my hands |
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| 19:03.39 | _buz | josch: amen to that |
| 19:03.55 | _buz | and i was actually positively surprised by the feel of the device |
| 19:04.16 | abraxa_ | I wasn't - the vibrator is too weak ;) |
| 19:04.36 | CM | abraxa_: Thought it was you gf who said that? :P |
| 19:04.55 | abraxa_ | ssshhhh |
| 19:05.03 | _buz | oh it comes with silicone shell then? |
| 19:05.37 | abraxa_ | CM: It's why she has a Nokia now. |
| 19:05.44 | CM | abraxa_: Hehe |
| 19:06.06 | josch | ^^ |
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| 19:10.25 | josch | ha!! |
| 19:10.37 | josch | the FIC battery works with the nokia E70! |
| 19:11.27 | josch | this phone also charges the FIC battery in contrary to what the wiki article says |
| 19:12.30 | _buz | the e70 may just about be the strangest phone ever built |
| 19:12.44 | josch | it is |
| 19:13.01 | abraxa_ | I thought the n-gage was |
| 19:13.30 | ewon | side-talking, baby |
| 19:13.32 | _buz | the ngage is comparatively normal |
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| 19:21.59 | Writchie|lunch | _buz: for a taco |
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| 19:31.01 | Writchie|lunch | mickey: still no e-mail, unlikely problem is at google.com end, you might want to test mailer on that serverl |
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| 19:31.42 | mickeyl | Writchie|lunch: damn, it worked for me |
| 19:31.45 | borg_ | Writchie|lunch: i got a confirmation now |
| 19:31.47 | mickeyl | could you check your spam filter? |
| 19:32.02 | mickeyl | abraxa_: fwiw, the gta02 vibrator is a tad bit stronger :) |
| 19:32.30 | Writchie|lunch | you spammer you ;) |
| 19:32.31 | flexd | mickeyl: you sound... glad... in a weird sort of way... :P |
| 19:32.38 | mickeyl | hahah |
| 19:32.42 | borg_ | :) |
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| 19:32.52 | IfChinsCouldKill | Borg? |
| 19:32.58 | borg_ | <- there |
| 19:33.06 | abraxa_ | mickeyl: Good to know ;) |
| 19:33.13 | IfChinsCouldKill | How do one activate that display thing |
| 19:33.29 | borg_ | just install the new neod |
| 19:33.34 | borg_ | there is nothing to activate |
| 19:33.50 | borg_ | it isnt yet on the official buildhost |
| 19:33.57 | borg_ | but it is in ScaredyCat's repo |
| 19:34.16 | IfChinsCouldKill | yes I loaded it in qemu |
| 19:34.27 | mudyc | mickeyl: is there more information about freesmartphone than in the freesmartphone.org? |
| 19:34.46 | IfChinsCouldKill | But what do i have to do to make it show the slide thing |
| 19:34.48 | borg_ | IfChinsCouldKill: it should be activatet whenever the brightness is set to 0 |
| 19:34.59 | borg_ | or you can activate it in the power menu |
| 19:35.05 | borg_ | by "lock display" |
| 19:35.14 | borg_ | dont know how you get there with qemu :) |
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| 19:35.42 | IfChinsCouldKill | maybe I can set the brighness to 0 in the console? |
| 19:35.43 | mickeyl | mudyc: unfortunately not yet. i'm going to start filling this thing with content now. launching it with a blog post and some thoughts |
| 19:36.57 | mudyc | mickeyl: it seems that our work on gmsd2 could be used as a seed |
| 19:37.10 | mickeyl | mudyc: very possible. |
| 19:37.12 | rmoravcik | mickeyl: hi, could you look to this patch http://pastebin.ca/798354 i think, there is a missing break; in gsm panel plugin |
| 19:37.49 | mickeyl | rmoravcik: oh yes! thanks. |
| 19:38.00 | rmoravcik | mickeyl: np |
| 19:40.35 | CIA-14 | 03mickey * r3516 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-gsm/ (ChangeLog src/openmoko-panel-gsm.c): openmoko-panel-gsm: Fix unintended fallthrough to default case. Patch by Roman Moravcik - thanks! |
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| 19:44.50 | tuukkah | feels a bit stupid to reverse engineer a block chart of the audio subsystem. is there a reason for one not existing already? |
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| 19:54.20 | borg_ | haha |
| 19:54.24 | borg_ | a new community update |
| 19:54.30 | borg_ | which says nothing :P |
| 19:54.47 | flexd | must be important |
| 19:54.51 | borg_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.52 | borg_ | finalized yet it's getting closer. |
| 19:54.56 | borg_ | Status: Good progress, but no resolution yet. We are moving closer. |
| 19:54.59 | borg_ | Update: I will continue to keep the pressure on. |
| 19:55.04 | borg_ | Status: Made excellent progress last week, still more to be done... |
| 19:55.08 | borg_ | lol |
| 19:55.55 | mwester | Well, at least somebody is *trying*. 10 points for making the effort, even if the content is lacking... :) |
| 19:57.00 | borg_ | :D |
| 19:57.01 | mwester | I get the impression that working for FIC/OM must be rather frustrating at times. I'm beginning to think that many of the folks who talk with us don't get any better information than do we. |
| 19:57.02 | borg_ | yes |
| 20:02.26 | Vegar | hey.. at least it's _something_ |
| 20:06.30 | _buz | mwester: i think it would drive me crazy |
| 20:06.54 | _buz | i know the very long feedback loops in uni sometimes drive me crazy |
| 20:08.09 | _buz | what would be interesting, though, if better information even exists |
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| 20:26.04 | abraxa_ | ~seen xora |
| 20:26.35 | apt | xora <n=XorA@www.xora.org.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 11h 41m 29s ago, saying: 'my computer has died :-('. |
| 20:26.37 | abraxa_ | !seen xora |
| 20:26.37 | cdbot2 | I found 3 matches to your query (sorted): XorA|gone XorA XorA|dinner. XorA|gone (n=XorA@www.xora.org.uk) was last seen rejoining #openzaurus from a split 7 hours, 14 minutes ago. XorA|gone is still on #openzaurus. |
| 20:26.49 | borg_ | :) |
| 20:26.58 | abraxa_ | Nice quit message... |
| 20:27.12 | abraxa_ | Or should I say... famous last words? |
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| 20:27.51 | tuukkah | ok a practical issue with the difference in perceived output volume: "Amp Mode" of "Stereo Speakers + Headphones" isn't useful for example playing the ring tone in both outputs |
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| 20:28.44 | tuukkah | either the ring tone is very quiet in the speakers or it hurts ears in the headset |
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| 20:40.49 | mwester | abraxa_: There seems to be a bit of "precognition" about that quit message, though. |
| 20:43.52 | CM | abraxa_: He said more about it this morning in #oe |
| 20:44.09 | CM | Basically his main workstation won't power on any more |
| 20:44.55 | abraxa_ | I know that feeling. My laptop is my main computer now as well - I'm so glad slugs make for good and cheap NAS so I didn't lose anything actually. |
| 20:45.14 | tuukkah | is this stale code or a good way to dereference null pointers: https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/asoc-platform-hw_init-pcm_emulation-fix.patch |
| 20:45.42 | tuukkah | oops |
| 20:45.54 | tuukkah | forget about it, there's the small assignment statement =) |
| 20:46.12 | mwester | Where? |
| 20:46.31 | tuukkah | if (prtd->params == NULL) { prtd->params = dma; |
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| 20:46.45 | mwester | Removing the line endings: if (prtd->params == NULL) prtd->params = dms; |
| 20:46.57 | wirrwarr | tach |
| 20:47.05 | mickeyl | moin |
| 20:47.07 | mwester | Yep, that's the one. |
| 20:47.09 | tuukkah | mwester, sorry, forget about it |
| 20:47.10 | borg_ | nabend |
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| 20:48.28 | jmichel | Does somebody know how to add a menu item in the OpenMoko menu? |
| 20:48.52 | abraxa_ | jmichel: Add a desktop file to /usr/share/applications/ |
| 20:49.19 | jmichel | I'm generating a ipkg package with my application and I'd like if during installation it would add in the menu |
| 20:49.59 | jmichel | abraxa_: how can I do this from my ipk package? |
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| 20:50.09 | tuukkah | mwester, i wonder if harald's comment means we *should* do something even if (prtd->params == NULL) to honor the new params |
| 20:50.35 | tuukkah | or does it mean we don't want to care about the new params? |
| 20:50.55 | jmichel | abraxa_: can I put something in the .bb file to do this ? |
| 20:51.11 | abraxa_ | jmichel: Yes, but it's more portable if you use autotools. Do you? |
| 20:51.14 | tuukkah | s/==/!=/ |
| 20:51.20 | jmichel | abraxa_: yes |
| 20:51.35 | abraxa_ | jmichel: In that case, http://svnweb.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-terminal2/data/ gives you the right idea :) |
| 20:51.53 | jmichel | abraxa_: great... i'll check that |
| 20:51.58 | abraxa_ | You're welcome |
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| 21:15.06 | edistar | hi |
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| 21:20.46 | *** topic/#openmoko is The OpenMoko Project - http://openmoko.org - Neo1973 GTA01 on sale at https://direct.openmoko.com || Do not ask about GTA02 (December as of last update - yes, that's with WiFi, and no, there's no cam). Latest official update is at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
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| 21:34.46 | digitalspaghetti | will there be a python stack on openmoko? |
| 21:35.07 | borg_ | there is python in openembedded |
| 21:35.25 | borg_ | and there are people working on python bindings for libgsmd |
| 21:35.46 | digitalspaghetti | cool :) I've been looking at getting the phone for a while, i'm hoping for the december release so I can get it for my christmas :) |
| 21:36.03 | borg_ | :) |
| 21:36.14 | edistar | digitalspaghetti: don't be too depressed when it only arrives in january or a bit later ;) |
| 21:36.17 | digitalspaghetti | i'd be interested in the developers board, but i can't find any details on price for buying the GTA02 if you already have a GTA01 |
| 21:36.33 | edistar | digitalspaghetti: it's the same price for everyone |
| 21:36.56 | jmichel | abraxa_: I have done the same as openmoko-terminal2... now I have a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications but it still doesn't show up on the phone's menu |
| 21:37.09 | digitalspaghetti | oh so you have to buy a GTA01, then pay full price again for a GTA02? |
| 21:37.46 | abraxa_ | jmichel: Did you reboot or restart openmoko-today2? |
| 21:37.51 | edistar | digitalspaghetti: no, you just buy the dev board with the GTA02 |
| 21:38.02 | abraxa_ | jmichel: I don't think it uses inotify already |
| 21:38.14 | jmichel | yes |
| 21:38.17 | edistar | digitalspaghetti: you don't need the gta01.. gta02 will be sold with board too |
| 21:38.24 | borg_ | digitalspaghetti: there is a high change that you dont need the debug board |
| 21:38.29 | abraxa_ | jmichel: Does it appear in the "All" category? |
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| 21:39.06 | jmichel | abraxa_: I don't have the "All" category |
| 21:39.16 | borg_ | ah, interesting |
| 21:39.18 | jmichel | abraxa_: My rootfs image is maybe 2 weeks old |
| 21:39.37 | borg_ | i don't have an "all" category too, since some days |
| 21:39.37 | digitalspaghetti | thats not what i mean :) what I mean is if I buy a developer preview now, I'd then have to re-buy a GTA02 :) I'll probably just wait then :) |
| 21:39.39 | borg_ | :) |
| 21:40.40 | abraxa_ | jmichel: In today, click on the "+" to get to the application list. Then click on the "Applications" title at the top to open the category chooser. Pick "All" and it *should* appear |
| 21:40.41 | edistar | digitalspaghetti: the dev board of gta01 is compatible to gta02.. but of course it's better for your account to wait 2/3 month.. |
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| 21:41.35 | borg_ | abraxa_: there is no all, only media, games, settings and other |
| 21:42.01 | borg_ | no "pim suite", no "applications", no "all" |
| 21:42.04 | abraxa_ | borg_: What's the date of your rootfs? Sounds like you hit a certain bug |
| 21:42.23 | borg_ | abraxa_: dont know, the rootfs is pretty old |
| 21:42.29 | borg_ | i update it daily via ipkg |
| 21:46.06 | abraxa_ | jmichel / borg: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=985 is what I'm refering to |
| 21:46.16 | abraxa_ | Are you two seeing that again? |
| 21:46.57 | borg_ | root@fic-gta01:/usr/share/today/vfolders$ ls -ahl |
| 21:46.57 | borg_ | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Nov 15 10:02 . |
| 21:46.57 | borg_ | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 0 Nov 2 09:35 .. |
| 21:47.01 | borg_ | empty |
| 21:49.02 | jmichel | abraxa_ / borg: From the "+" tab, if I click the magnifier at the top left then I can see my application |
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| 21:49.42 | abraxa_ | jmichel: Then you just need to choose your categories in the .desktop file more carefully :) |
| 21:49.55 | borg_ | abraxa_: http://pastebin.ca/798580 |
| 21:49.56 | borg_ | uhm |
| 21:49.58 | borg_ | is this right? |
| 21:49.59 | abraxa_ | borg_: Maybe you "updated" from an old repository? |
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| 21:50.10 | abraxa_ | I'd try flashing a new rootfs |
| 21:50.25 | borg_ | urks |
| 21:51.22 | borg_ | is there any matchbox-* package that should be installed? |
| 21:51.29 | abraxa_ | I have no idea, sorry |
| 21:51.33 | borg_ | ok |
| 21:51.42 | abraxa_ | I'm not into that vfolder stuff :) |
| 21:52.39 | jmichel | abraxa_ : You are probably right, my icons category was not listed in today... I will chage it |
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| 21:57.31 | flexd | hmm |
| 21:57.34 | flexd | Just out of curiosity |
| 21:57.54 | flexd | about how long c/c++ programming experience do you guys have? (You guys as in people working on OM stuff) |
| 21:58.01 | flexd | like, how many years :/ |
| 21:58.12 | flexd | ScaredyCat: i have no privacy :( |
| 21:58.20 | ScaredyCat | not any more :D |
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| 21:59.02 | abraxa_ | lol |
| 21:59.10 | abraxa_ | ScaredyCat, you're so mean sometimes |
| 21:59.16 | ScaredyCat | hehehe |
| 21:59.22 | abraxa_ | Taking what people want the most ;D |
| 22:00.03 | VladimirBG | hey all |
| 22:00.06 | Stephmw | flexd: I'd say you can take a guess from 0-25 years and just plot a poisson distribution on it :) |
| 22:00.27 | flexd | If i spend the next 25 years learning c i think my brain might explode |
| 22:00.52 | Stephmw | a couple of weeks is enough for small bugfixes ;) |
| 22:01.05 | Stephmw | best way to start is to hack |
| 22:01.06 | ScaredyCat | if you spend the next 25 years *learning* C you need to be shot |
| 22:01.11 | edistar | btw.. something really interesting.. there will be apparently a way to passively crack gsm sessions in 2008 |
| 22:01.12 | Stephmw | ScaredyCat: bwahahaha |
| 22:01.19 | Stephmw | edistar: uhuh? |
| 22:01.28 | edistar | Stephmw: I'll search for the link |
| 22:01.29 | flexd | Well i have like.. a few very.. uhm.. like a swiss cheese worths of c++ experience |
| 22:01.37 | flexd | I think i need basics :> |
| 22:01.43 | prpplague | flexd: naw, it;s an automatic process, the more c you learn, your brain automatically dumps unused skills such as those needed for social interaction |
| 22:01.49 | ScaredyCat | you just need to get in there flexd.. |
| 22:02.01 | Stephmw | prpplague: whoa there... you had those to begin with? |
| 22:02.07 | Stephmw | prpplague: I was born deficient |
| 22:02.14 | edistar | http://wiki.thc.org/cracking_a5 |
| 22:02.20 | ScaredyCat | start off with the basics, grad a couple of apps you like, tear them apart and play |
| 22:02.25 | ScaredyCat | grab |
| 22:02.26 | Stephmw | prpplague: went through a custom "socialise a geek" intensive programme |
| 22:02.34 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:02.35 | Stephmw | prpplague: I get regular refresher courses |
| 22:03.36 | edistar | Stephmw: the interesting bit is the rainbow tables.. |
| 22:03.49 | Stephmw | edistar: ahhh, I see the angle |
| 22:04.04 | edistar | Stephmw: either 2 TB(!) in order to crack in about 2 hours or 28TB in order to crack in a few seconds |
| 22:04.16 | Stephmw | edistar: easy |
| 22:04.31 | edistar | Stephmw: maybe, but noone has tried before.. |
| 22:04.43 | Stephmw | edistar: I mean... 28TB is becoming commoditised |
| 22:04.50 | Stephmw | edistar: I have 2TB in my desktop ;-) |
| 22:04.53 | CoreDump | lol |
| 22:05.02 | edistar | Stephmw: wth? how many drives? |
| 22:05.08 | Stephmw | edistar: 5x400GB |
| 22:05.14 | ScaredyCat | pfft ... |
| 22:05.19 | edistar | Stephmw: sata? what about the speed? |
| 22:05.25 | Mononoke | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.30 | Stephmw | ScaredyCat: I ain't about to fork out for 1TB drives ;) |
| 22:05.38 | Stephmw | edistar: sata2 |
| 22:05.49 | Stephmw | edistar: they're raided atm, raid10 |
| 22:05.58 | ScaredyCat | do I have to show you gadgets 17TB array, of which he has 3 |
| 22:06.00 | Stephmw | edistar: 40-50MB/s |
| 22:06.00 | ScaredyCat | of |
| 22:06.16 | edistar | Stephmw: ok, thats not too fast.. takes ages to fill ;) |
| 22:06.36 | Stephmw | edistar: yeah, I didn't go for anything specially fast for the drives either |
| 22:06.43 | edistar | I only have 1 TB in my fileserver and a few gigs in every pc |
| 22:06.55 | Stephmw | edistar: just wanted to stave off my storage needs for the next few years |
| 22:07.02 | edistar | Stephmw: yeah, I can imagine |
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| 22:07.27 | Stephmw | edistar: 100GB of photos since last year... so... |
| 22:07.33 | edistar | Stephmw: me too, thats why I bought 2x250 ;) which won't be enough.. |
| 22:07.53 | Stephmw | edistar: the panoramas are what's eating up the space atm |
| 22:07.57 | edistar | Stephmw: now I have a canon 400d I need loads of storage too :) |
| 22:08.04 | Stephmw | edistar: 80mp panos weigh in around 65-70mb |
| 22:08.11 | Stephmw | (jpeg) |
| 22:08.25 | Stephmw | tiffs... well, for printing, the pdfs are around 500mb |
| 22:08.36 | edistar | Stephmw: how do you make a 80mp pic? |
| 22:08.53 | thresh | huff |
| 22:08.55 | thresh | xfs 13T 7,0T 5,4T 57% /var/ftp |
| 22:08.57 | edistar | mwester-n: quite enough.. |
| 22:09.06 | edistar | show offs.. |
| 22:09.07 | mwester | It fits OE. |
| 22:09.07 | Stephmw | edistar: take lots of frames with 20% or so overlap and same exposure |
| 22:09.10 | mwester | (barely) |
| 22:09.11 | Stephmw | edistar: then feed em to a stitcher |
| 22:09.11 | thresh | /dev/mapper/exchange-massive 20T 18T 1,8T 91% /var/ftp |
| 22:09.15 | ScaredyCat | yeah, photos take up so much.... sometimes I pine for the days of old, when photos were on paper |
| 22:09.24 | Stephmw | edistar: Hugin, AutoPanoPro or something else |
| 22:09.33 | Stephmw | edistar: I prefer APP |
| 22:09.37 | thresh | and some non-attached iscsi stuffs for ~15T too |
| 22:09.39 | Stephmw | edistar: waiting for the 1.4 release |
| 22:09.46 | mwester | ScaredyCat: whoda thunk the capacity of a 4x5 negative? |
| 22:09.50 | edistar | Stephmw: I need to make panos soon.. do you have any pdf or website you can recommend for me to learn about them? |
| 22:10.17 | Spida | Stephmw: which stitcher do you use? |
| 22:10.38 | ScaredyCat | mwester: gnneh! |
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| 22:11.08 | Stephmw | Spida: AutoPano - I occasionally also test in Hugin |
| 22:11.31 | CVirus | no community updates yet :-( |
| 22:11.55 | edistar | CVirus: there was a community update.. |
| 22:11.56 | edistar | today |
| 22:12.06 | Stephmw | Spida: the wiki has the 1.4 pre-releases |
| 22:12.13 | Stephmw | edistar: looking for a good link |
| 22:12.20 | edistar | Stephmw: are there good OSS stitchers? |
| 22:12.36 | Stephmw | edistar: Sure, Hugin is the best around which is OSS |
| 22:12.39 | Stephmw | edistar: http://hugin.sourceforge.net/tutorials/index.shtml |
| 22:12.47 | CVirus | edistar: where is that ? |
| 22:12.48 | edistar | Stephmw: thx |
| 22:12.55 | edistar | CVirus: mailinglist |
| 22:13.03 | Stephmw | edistar: APP just has a few things above and beyond that make it nicer to use (and in some cases, more of a pain) |
| 22:13.13 | CVirus | edistar: fine thanks |
| 22:13.28 | Stephmw | edistar: scaled down examples of what I've done recently, http://stephanemw.googlepages.com/panoramas.html |
| 22:13.38 | Stephmw | edistar: I'm not about to stick the full res online yet :D |
| 22:13.52 | edistar | heh |
| 22:14.22 | Stephmw | I'm waiting for my pano head though, so everything at that link is done handheld |
| 22:14.23 | edistar | Stephmw: what is the raw version? |
| 22:14.31 | Stephmw | edistar: just the jpeg for the small image |
| 22:14.37 | Stephmw | edistar: for the flash-impaired |
| 22:14.38 | edistar | Stephmw: ok |
| 22:15.16 | Stephmw | for something truly impressive, http://www.docbert.org/MP/ |
| 22:15.21 | Stephmw | 1.5GP pano |
| 22:15.26 | ScaredyCat | for ub1 ... if it were me there I'd run roud you as you took the picture :) |
| 22:15.45 | Stephmw | ScaredyCat: that's wher resynthesize plugin for GIMP is useful |
| 22:16.02 | Stephmw | ScaredyCat: 15% top and bottom of that pano is pure fabrication |
| 22:16.18 | Stephmw | ScaredyCat: I hadn't taken 2 rows of photos ;) |
| 22:16.24 | ScaredyCat | lol! |
| 22:16.55 | edistar | Stephmw: how do you take a 1.5G pano? |
| 22:17.07 | Stephmw | edistar: there's a link on his page with the tech details |
| 22:17.22 | edistar | Stephmw: ah, ok |
| 22:17.25 | Stephmw | edistar: chatted to him, he said patience was key |
| 22:17.57 | ScaredyCat | I made myself feel sick, spinning it round |
| 22:18.43 | edistar | Stephmw: wtf, rendering takes 11 hours? |
| 22:18.48 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 22:19.34 | edistar | why does it take that long? |
| 22:19.50 | Stephmw | you can't just put em edge-to-edge |
| 22:20.02 | edistar | Stephmw: oh.. I have to learn a lot then.. |
| 22:20.11 | Stephmw | you're trying to map sections of a sphere to each other and to a plane |
| 22:20.18 | Stephmw | etc |
| 22:20.27 | edistar | oh yes.. can the program do that automatically? |
| 22:21.01 | Stephmw | ;) thankfully |
| 22:21.11 | edistar | good.. |
| 22:21.18 | Stephmw | more bits of info, http://en.wiki.autopano.net/Interpolation_and_blenders and http://en.wiki.autopano.net/Understanding_Projecting_Modes |
| 22:21.32 | edistar | Stephmw: thx |
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| 22:22.10 | Stephmw | edistar: also, like he did, some of the overlap isn't at the same zoom |
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| 22:22.22 | Stephmw | edistar: so feature extraction, matching and image deformation become required |
| 22:22.54 | Stephmw | edistar: my simple, single-row panos take maybe 10mins |
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| 22:23.34 | edistar | Stephmw: interesting.. I'm thinking of making a few panos of the surrounding here and give them away as presents to my family, cause we'll move soon... so they'll like to have pics of woods and the house ;) |
| 22:25.22 | Stephmw | edistar: great idea |
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| 22:25.37 | Stephmw | edistar: two things to watch out for (I've got a 350D)... |
| 22:25.51 | Stephmw | edistar: use the same exposure for all the shots, it makes stitching infinitely easier |
| 22:26.02 | edistar | Stephmw: ok :) |
| 22:26.05 | Stephmw | edistar: parallax errors are a bitch to stitch |
| 22:26.20 | Stephmw | edistar: objects closer to you will cause them |
| 22:26.50 | edistar | luckily SLRs have manual mode.. our old rubbishy cam could take pics at 3mp and had a 'manual' setting that did everything automatically :/ |
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| 22:27.30 | Stephmw | you can get pretty good panos even if you don't follow those two things, but I wouldn't give prints away |
| 22:27.54 | edistar | Stephmw: yeah.. I'll just try |
| 22:28.01 | edistar | I'm got plenty of time, roughly a year :) |
| 22:28.11 | Stephmw | cool :D |
| 22:29.03 | edistar | Stephmw: enough time to render my 20k seperate pics ;) |
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| 22:35.50 | edistar | anyone seen snow yet this year? |
| 22:35.59 | thresh | sure |
| 22:36.18 | Philippe | yep lots of it right at the other side of the window |
| 22:36.19 | balrog-kun | yes, unfortunately |
| 22:36.23 | edistar | where? |
| 22:36.25 | Vegar | yes, lots |
| 22:36.29 | edistar | I want snow.. here ;) |
| 22:36.34 | Philippe | edistar: Finland |
| 22:36.36 | CIA-14 | 03andrew * r3517 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ (69 files in 9 dirs): Sync from cvs.savannah.nongnu.org. |
| 22:36.42 | edistar | that way I won't need to go to school tomorrow if its enough |
| 22:36.44 | thresh | Moscow suburbs |
| 22:36.47 | OJW | ebay was advertising that you could pay someone to deliver it ;) |
| 22:36.48 | josch | edistar, there is a lot of snow in munich now |
| 22:37.24 | thresh | though it's raining now, and ~+1œC |
| 22:37.27 | balrog-kun | i want to keep using bike as my main transport, but i had to stop last week |
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| 22:37.45 | thresh | me too. it sucks being wet |
| 22:37.49 | CVirus | community update isn't that fruitful |
| 22:37.54 | CVirus | frustrating |
| 22:37.54 | Philippe | balrog-kun: just put spiked winter tites on it. It's what I do. Beats walking |
| 22:38.07 | Philippe | s/tites/tires/ |
| 22:38.17 | Vegar | Philippe: that rocks |
| 22:38.21 | Vegar | I used to do it |
| 22:38.25 | balrog-kun | Philippe: it's too damn cold |
| 22:38.38 | edistar | balrog-kun: where are you? |
| 22:38.49 | thresh | yeah; i was fscking tired of getting 2.1" tires onto mine sun rims s-type :( |
| 22:38.50 | Philippe | balrog-kun: is it already under -15 C ? |
| 22:38.52 | OJW | still using slick tyres in england |
| 22:38.56 | balrog-kun | and i want to use it for getting somewhere (on time) and not just recreational |
| 22:39.13 | balrog-kun | edistar: poland, it's some +1 C now, too cold for me |
| 22:39.18 | edistar | balrog-kun: ok ;) |
| 22:39.19 | Vegar | haha |
| 22:39.21 | Vegar | that's not cold |
| 22:39.31 | balrog-kun | Vegar: for biking it is |
| 22:39.33 | edistar | it's +4 here.. |
| 22:39.37 | Vegar | no it's not |
| 22:39.44 | Vegar | I've been biking in -25 |
| 22:39.49 | edistar | brr... |
| 22:39.57 | thresh | mine minimum was -15 |
| 22:40.13 | thresh | too cold even with proper clothes |
| 22:40.14 | Philippe | Mine was -31C. |
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| 22:40.28 | balrog-kun | Vegar: well, me too, but not in the heavy city traffic at 8 am when i have 30 minutes to make 20 km |
| 22:40.35 | Philippe | But that is with balaclava (bank robber mask) and extra hat |
| 22:40.37 | OJW | Vegar: you been to iditarod too? |
| 22:40.40 | balrog-kun | ..and it's snowing |
| 22:41.03 | borg_ | no snow here :( |
| 22:41.16 | Vegar | OJW: haha, no |
| 22:41.41 | Writchie | ice is for drinks and snow is for snow cones ;) |
| 22:41.54 | edistar | heh |
| 22:42.29 | edistar | snow is for not having school :) |
| 22:42.45 | Writchie | no hurricanes are for that |
| 22:43.04 | edistar | if there is more than 1 meter of snow nobody has to go to school.. so I pray :) I still need to set up a postfix box and my new fileserver ;) |
| 22:43.12 | tuukkah | do we know whether we use the "voice" interface of the wolfson codec? |
| 22:43.14 | edistar | Writchie: don't have hurricanes in germany |
| 22:44.13 | OJW | Vegar: that was like -40 at night; bit difficult to cycle in |
| 22:45.10 | CVirus | -40 ? |
| 22:45.13 | CVirus | where the fsck is that ? |
| 22:46.00 | CVirus | our lowest record here in Cairo/Egypt is like 10C or something ... it's 15C now though |
| 22:46.11 | tuukkah | -40 isn't that much occasionally here in the north |
| 22:46.43 | edistar | tuukkah: where? |
| 22:47.07 | tuukkah | something like once a year in inland finland |
| 22:47.09 | thresh | we had ~-33œC last winter; up to -38 IIRC the winter before that |
| 22:47.17 | thresh | (moscow) |
| 22:47.32 | thresh | it was creepy |
| 22:48.00 | edistar | our lowest here was -8 or so :) |
| 22:48.30 | ixian_probe | I'm just curious, how many Norwegian openmoko users/devs are there at this moment? |
| 22:48.40 | ixian_probe | anyone willing to do an guesstimate? |
| 22:48.59 | thresh | ...null? |
| 22:49.12 | thresh | just a rough guess:) |
| 22:49.17 | edistar | ixian_probe: why don't you write a script that will scan and trace all ips and give us an estimate? |
| 22:49.17 | tuukkah | coldest night in finland: -51.5, 1999-01-28 |
| 22:49.40 | ixian_probe | thresh: and what's your standard deviance? ;) |
| 22:49.42 | ixian_probe | ;) |
| 22:50.29 | ixian_probe | edistar: hmm.. good idea ^_^ If I could script. ;) I was just curious as I'm lusting for an GTAV02, and maybe there were someone interested in doing an joint purchase :P |
| 22:50.45 | edistar | ixian_probe: ah... nice thinking ;) |
| 22:51.04 | edistar | any germans who want to group-order with me? or dutch people? |
| 22:51.17 | CVirus | any Egyptians ? |
| 22:51.28 | edistar | CVirus: heh, I don't think you'll find many.. |
| 22:51.48 | CVirus | I don't think I'll find "any" |
| 22:51.59 | edistar | CVirus: good luck nevertheless |
| 22:52.03 | CVirus | :-) |
| 22:52.25 | LarstiQ | edistar: possibly |
| 22:52.55 | CVirus | edistar: I'll announce for a group purchase on our LUG when the GTA02 is out |
| 22:53.50 | ixian_probe | hmm.. that's an idea.. I'l contact the local lug/UUG.. |
| 22:54.09 | Stephmw | edistar: btw, feel free to pester me when you start having a go |
| 22:54.24 | edistar | I want a lug nearby here.. this place here is really anti-lug ;) only noobs in it ... 3 60+ people and one admin |
| 22:54.29 | edistar | Stephmw: ok :) |
| 22:54.43 | edistar | Stephmw: thx :) |
| 22:55.19 | ixian_probe | tuukkah: hey, tell us if it reaches -79 ^_^ (CO2 freezing point) |
| 22:55.50 | ixian_probe | tuukkah: then our CO2 polution problem might have an low-cost solution ^_^ |
| 22:56.28 | tuukkah | they say the world record is -89.2 at antarctica |
| 22:56.42 | CVirus | edistar: in Egypt our LUG reached 5100 member and we had the biggest Linux installation fest in history :-D |
| 22:56.49 | edistar | CVirus: lovely :) |
| 22:56.54 | CVirus | edistar: 2 of the admins were interviewed on slashdot |
| 22:57.09 | edistar | CVirus: is it an egypt-lug or is it regional? |
| 22:57.16 | CVirus | edistar: Egypt LUG |
| 22:57.20 | CVirus | edistar: www.EgLUG.org |
| 22:58.00 | edistar | nice |
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| 22:58.38 | CVirus | I've volunteered in two installation fests at my Uni (The German University in Cairo) and we're preparing for the third :-) |
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| 23:01.03 | CVirus | oops .. killed dcopserver accidentally |
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| 23:06.02 | borg_ | ScaredyCat: have you tested you latest build? |
| 23:07.49 | borg_ | s/you/your/ |
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| 23:28.12 | CVirus | sorry .. stupid dcop |
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| 23:34.55 | edistar | gn8 |
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| 23:37.36 | doughnut42 | just got my neo. cool stuff. now to get it to work with my 3g sim card... |
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| 23:47.53 | borg_ | omg... my neo just passed the first fall down test.... |
| 23:48.30 | Stephmw | kicked it down the stairs? |
| 23:48.47 | borg_ | no, only down the table ;) |
| 23:49.30 | josch | fortunatly there was grass below |
| 23:49.32 | borg_ | but the impact sound was pretty violent |
| 23:49.36 | borg_ | no :) |
| 23:49.49 | borg_ | you can't do that.. :) |
| 23:49.52 | borg_ | how high? |
| 23:50.51 | josch | second floor - but no damage due to the grass |
| 23:50.57 | borg_ | phew |
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