| 00:03.11 | HistoryOnTheRoad | ljp: And so they are ... wow, and I thought I rm'd something by accident :S |
| 00:04.00 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Hmmm |
| 00:05.53 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Does aplay support MP3's? (Is that another dumb question)? |
| 00:08.16 | balrog-kun | it doesn't on my pc |
| 00:08.46 | balrog-kun | i usually use "aoss mpg123 blah.mp3" if i want to be sure i'm testing alsa |
| 00:09.55 | HistoryOnTheRoad | There is something on the neo that supports mp3's ... the sounds it makes are in that format |
| 00:10.21 | balrog-kun | madplay maybe |
| 00:10.31 | mmontour | Yes, madplay works. |
| 00:10.44 | HistoryOnTheRoad | ARGH, that's it. |
| 00:11.00 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I've been off neo too long :D |
| 00:11.45 | HistoryOnTheRoad | balrog-kun: Thanks |
| 00:12.04 | balrog-kun | :) |
| 00:12.52 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I'd really like it if the *#(*439ing power stuff worked right. |
| 00:13.33 | josch | n8 |
| 00:13.33 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I _KNOW_ the battery can last a while... I charged it fully, pulled it out and put it back ... and got busy. |
| 00:14.01 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I figued I'd have to do a deep discharge recovery, but noooooooooo.... it booted up right away. |
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| 00:14.36 | HistoryOnTheRoad | So, having the battery in doesn't drain it ... it's the power management that isn't working yet |
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| 00:20.39 | HistoryOnTheRoad | ok, any way to add volume to aplay or tweak the mixer to do so/ |
| 00:20.42 | HistoryOnTheRoad | ? |
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| 00:28.45 | abraxa_ | HistoryOnTheRoad: alsamixer :) |
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| 00:30.14 | mwester | rwhitby: I've heard it said that Australia is "hollow" ;) |
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| 00:33.37 | HistoryOnTheRoad | abraxa_: :) ... ok, I have to fiddle with that beast again. Hopefully there's something on the wiki |
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| 00:36.08 | abraxa_ | HistoryOnTheRoad: It does have a lot of mixer settings but the ones relating to speaker output are rather easy to find |
| 00:37.04 | balrog-kun | it would be really nice if the Wolfson chips datasheets had diagrams with many arrows detailing which input goes to which adc/dac/output, where there's a bypass possible etc |
| 00:37.11 | SpeedEvil | they do |
| 00:37.28 | SpeedEvil | the remaining bit of the puzzle is what's connected to what outputs |
| 00:37.37 | balrog-kun | i didn't see any diagram in wm8750 or 8753 datasheets |
| 00:37.57 | SpeedEvil | I'm sure it's in there - it's where the diagram from audio subsystem comes from IIRC |
| 00:38.10 | SpeedEvil | maybe that's in the web page only? though that seems unlikely |
| 00:38.30 | balrog-kun | understanding the possible paths from the written description that spans a couple of pages was difficult and i had forgotten it five minutes later |
| 00:38.42 | balrog-kun | hmm |
| 00:38.58 | SpeedEvil | Isn't there a digagram on teh first page? |
| 00:38.58 | HistoryOnTheRoad | abraxa_: ok, last time I asked I was referred to the wiring diagram ... and that was for something that I thought would be simple :P |
| 00:41.54 | HistoryOnTheRoad | There are some diagrams on the wiki .. and a couple of good links |
| 00:45.11 | rwhitby | mwester: no, that's just the people, not the country. |
| 00:47.49 | ljp | actually, if you do stamp your feet in australia, is does ring like a bell |
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| 00:53.13 | balrog-kun | SpeedEvil: hmm, yes there's a diagram and it's quite readable, i don't remember what my issue with it was then |
| 00:53.16 | balrog-kun | sorry, was on phone |
| 00:53.46 | balrog-kun | maybe i skipped the first page right away |
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| 00:56.28 | hachi | damn, I had my moko running for like 6 hours on battery |
| 00:56.36 | hachi | then it locked up and wouldn't boot again |
| 00:57.20 | hachi | I guess 6 hours is the limit |
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| 01:00.32 | balrog-kun | hachi: it didn't lock up, it ran out of battery |
| 01:00.43 | balrog-kun | it will boot again when it charges |
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| 01:09.23 | hachi | yeah, I know |
| 01:09.29 | hachi | it's a resilliant little bugger |
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| 01:16.59 | mwester | woohoo! svn.berlios.de is no longer svn.berlios.dead |
| 01:17.18 | mwester | Let the Build Begin!! |
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| 02:19.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1016 has been created by olv(AT)openmoko.com |
| 02:19.02 | cdbot2 | * * Xglamo should be more open |
| 02:19.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1016 |
| 02:19.10 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1017 has been created by olv(AT)openmoko.com |
| 02:19.12 | cdbot2 | * * Xglamo stalls after some time |
| 02:19.14 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1017 |
| 02:20.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1018 has been created by olv(AT)openmoko.com |
| 02:20.02 | cdbot2 | * * skewed video frames on Xglamo |
| 02:20.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1018 |
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| 03:44.14 | cclien | helo |
| 03:44.32 | ewon | o |
| 03:44.37 | ewon | / |
| 03:45.10 | arw1 | ;) |
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| 03:49.01 | Moniker42 | hey, will the neo use a contacts managing app (or at least filetype) that will be compatible with a desktop/laptop linux? |
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| 04:49.44 | nowhistory | Moniker42: Maybe, maybe not :P |
| 04:50.11 | Moniker42 | nowhistory, well i'm just wondering if i will be able to automatically back up my contacts |
| 04:50.31 | nowhistory | Moniker42: Depends on what "automatically" means. |
| 04:50.51 | Moniker42 | nowhistory, clearly it was a word i put in that sentence without even thinking about it |
| 04:51.03 | nowhistory | rcp/scp when connected? Most probably. Other mechanism? Still in the air. |
| 04:51.04 | Moniker42 | i wouldn't even mind doing it manually ;) |
| 04:51.35 | nowhistory | There has been talk about something through the openembedded framework, but I haven't fiddled too much with that yet. |
| 04:51.56 | Moniker42 | hmm i don't know if i can wait till january... i want one now! |
| 04:52.08 | Moniker42 | i might just buy the gta01 and persevere with the myriad of problems... |
| 04:52.19 | nowhistory | "working contacts" would be a pre req, like "working calls" :) |
| 04:52.29 | nowhistory | lol |
| 04:52.34 | nowhistory | They aren't that bad |
| 04:52.55 | nowhistory | Not for everyday use, but it's gotten a lot better in the last few months |
| 04:53.15 | nowhistory | I read on one of the ML's that someone had gotten SMS to work |
| 04:53.22 | nowhistory | which is awesome |
| 04:53.52 | Moniker42 | i know a guy that bought one a few weeks ago |
| 04:53.55 | nowhistory | I got GPS tracking working, now I have to figure out some way to graphically view the plot |
| 04:54.06 | Moniker42 | he managed to get calls (and sms?) working as long as his laptop was nearby |
| 04:54.12 | chillywilly | anyone know which US provider will pick up teh FIC openmoko device? |
| 04:54.15 | chillywilly | the* |
| 04:54.37 | nowhistory | I'm muddling through the NMEA stuff now, I've got lots of it decoded |
| 04:54.52 | nowhistory | chillywilly: None right now. |
| 04:55.07 | nowhistory | Probably not any till hell freezes over either :D |
| 04:55.19 | chillywilly | there's no plans in the works and/or rumors? |
| 04:55.47 | nowhistory | Rumors? Well, only GSM providers have a shot |
| 04:56.03 | nowhistory | So, that's Tmobile and AT&T, if I'm correct. |
| 04:56.13 | chillywilly | ok |
| 04:56.21 | chillywilly | I have AT&T |
| 04:56.25 | SpeedEvil | nowhistory: plot x and y, gnuplot is basic |
| 04:56.38 | chillywilly | I should pony up some money and get the kit anyway :) |
| 04:57.26 | nowhistory | SpeedEvil: hmmm. Good suggestion. I wanted to plot it on a map too, but that will work to give a quick and dirty representation |
| 04:57.31 | Kero | Moniker42: afaik, esd backend will be used. very compatible with any linux. there's vcards in there, very compatible with about the entire world |
| 04:57.53 | nowhistory | chillywilly: Make sure you have decent 1900Mhz coverage |
| 04:59.20 | chillywilly | I'm not sure how I can verify that ;) |
| 04:59.37 | nowhistory | All providers have maps |
| 04:59.49 | nowhistory | Look for their 1900Mhz one ;0 |
| 04:59.52 | nowhistory | :) |
| 04:59.52 | chillywilly | yea, I just don't know where AT&T's coverage map is |
| 04:59.58 | chillywilly | I'll google it |
| 05:00.05 | nowhistory | There ya go :) |
| 05:00.15 | nowhistory | 850 won't help for the GTA01 |
| 05:00.28 | Moniker42 | hmm... i think the UK is totally saturated with everything more than a few years old |
| 05:00.29 | nowhistory | It's not wired to use it. |
| 05:01.29 | nowhistory | There is speculation abound about 850 for the 02, but no answers have been forthcoming from FIC yet. |
| 05:02.15 | nowhistory | My humble opinion is that FIC will find a way to make 850 work in the 02, even if it is after the rest of the world phones ship. |
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| 05:03.48 | chillywilly | what type of service would the "1900MHz" band compromise? 3G/broadband services? |
| 05:04.01 | chillywilly | erm, comprise |
| 05:04.45 | nowhistory | 3G are data services (if i remember the acronyms right) |
| 05:05.11 | nowhistory | 1900Mhz is just the frequency that the radio in your phone uses |
| 05:05.16 | chillywilly | ok |
| 05:05.28 | nowhistory | US/North America is 850/1900 |
| 05:05.30 | chillywilly | This map makes no real distinction |
| 05:05.43 | chillywilly | http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/ |
| 05:06.32 | nowhistory | My guess is "good/moderate" are 1900 areas |
| 05:06.45 | nowhistory | "best" might have a mix. where are you? |
| 05:06.56 | chillywilly | Sussex, WI 53089 |
| 05:07.11 | atul | CM, Got error while build openmoko 2007.2 build "make openmoko-devel-image" Eror http://pastebin.ca/793347 |
| 05:07.37 | chillywilly | near "Milwaukee" ;) |
| 05:08.40 | nowhistory | Rural is more likely to have 1900 ... |
| 05:08.42 | mwester | chillywilly: Avoid the GTA01, and make sure the GTA02 version you purchase is either US-triband, or quad-band. |
| 05:09.24 | nowhistory | higher bands travel furher, require more energy, are weaker in general |
| 05:09.24 | chillywilly | what are the different band again? |
| 05:09.36 | chillywilly | 850, 1900, ... |
| 05:09.37 | nowhistory | 1900 and 850 |
| 05:09.43 | chillywilly | so what |
| 05:09.44 | nowhistory | ah |
| 05:09.53 | nowhistory | 1800 and 900 |
| 05:09.55 | chillywilly | what's a "quad" band phone |
| 05:10.10 | nowhistory | A GSM phone that does all 4. |
| 05:10.14 | mwester | The US uses 850 and 1900, Europe uses 900 and 1800 (generally). The GTA01 will only do 900, 1800, and 1900 -- European triband. So you'll lose coverage as soon as you leave the Milwaukee area. |
| 05:10.23 | nowhistory | 1800/1900/850/900 |
| 05:10.45 | chillywilly | ic |
| 05:11.05 | nowhistory | Well, 850 is used more in urban areas |
| 05:11.07 | chillywilly | I work downtown ;P |
| 05:11.12 | chillywilly | downtown Milwaukee |
| 05:11.21 | nowhistory | more cells/more towers/more callers/better reception |
| 05:11.24 | mwester | The higher frequency of the pair is used in dense metropolitan areas where low coverage is an advantage (keeps cells from interfering when closely placed). 850 is used everywhere else by AT&T because they need far fewer towers that way. |
| 05:11.36 | chillywilly | so is spend a LOT of time in the city |
| 05:12.05 | chillywilly | but yea cell coverage seems to be a little spotty out in Sussex/Waukesha County area |
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| 05:12.54 | nowhistory | chillywilly: A true quadband would surf frequencies automatically and pick the best one. The "01" can't do that, only using 1900 |
| 05:13.11 | chillywilly | ok, plus the wifi also interests me :) |
| 05:13.12 | nowhistory | (in North America) |
| 05:13.23 | nowhistory | Ok, that's only in 02 ;0 |
| 05:13.29 | chillywilly | right |
| 05:13.31 | nowhistory | Wifi, that is. |
| 05:14.38 | chillywilly | what type of technology does verizon wireless use? |
| 05:15.48 | chillywilly | is GSM analog? |
| 05:15.49 | mwester | I think they may be CDMA? |
| 05:15.59 | chillywilly | so "digital" |
| 05:16.05 | nowhistory | lol |
| 05:16.10 | mwester | GSM is digital -- it's all digital anymore (analog is killed off by the FCC at the end of december |
| 05:16.11 | mwester | ) |
| 05:16.16 | nowhistory | I didn't know anyone still used analog :P |
| 05:16.27 | chillywilly | just looking at their map and they mention digital and analog |
| 05:16.44 | chillywilly | http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/CoverageLocatorController |
| 05:16.59 | mwester | hehe! My OnStar system in analog. It becomes useless in a month. |
| 05:17.03 | chillywilly | sorry dude I really don't grok cell phone provider technology |
| 05:17.27 | mwester | That's because its mainly marketing-speak. |
| 05:17.55 | mwester | They throw out terms to obscure what they're really doing, which is generally locking people into proprietary technology. |
| 05:17.58 | chillywilly | I use wikipedia a lot w/ all the fun acronyms I find :P |
| 05:18.20 | nowhistory | heh |
| 05:18.29 | chillywilly | well I know CDMA from basic networking courses :) |
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| 05:18.44 | mwester | GSM is the closest thing to an open digital standard out there; AT&T and T-Mobile are the only US carriers that support that. Everyone else is proprietary. |
| 05:18.46 | nowhistory | Cell phone providers don't want you to compare apples to apples is all |
| 05:19.09 | chillywilly | ah |
| 05:19.28 | Kero | mwester: huh? then what do they use? can't they roam, then? |
| 05:19.34 | chillywilly | it was interesting as some buddies in an IRC channel were trashing GSM the other day |
| 05:19.42 | chillywilly | I was like...OK.. |
| 05:19.51 | nowhistory | Roaming is just using another network |
| 05:20.06 | nowhistory | All networks are set up in two bands |
| 05:20.15 | mwester | Kero: nope. If your provider does CDMA, they can only roam to another CDMA provider. |
| 05:20.22 | chillywilly | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDMA |
| 05:20.32 | chillywilly | lots of interesting links in the right sidebar |
| 05:20.44 | chillywilly | "Mobile communications standards" |
| 05:21.07 | mwester | hence the funny coverage maps for some of the providers -- they actually like it that way, because they can claim "better coverage" as an advantage rather than compete on pricing or services. |
| 05:21.09 | Kero | mwester: ok, I thought cdma was common enough. wouldn't know about it being proprietary... |
| 05:21.17 | nowhistory | chillywilly: Every tech has strengths and weaknesses. I guess they don't like GSM 'cause everyone else uses it around the world? :P |
| 05:21.35 | Kero | nowhistory: nah, frequencies were already used in USA |
| 05:21.46 | mwester | Kero: it's proprietary in the sense that you cannot purchase an unlocked CDMA phone and make it work on another CDMA provider's network. |
| 05:22.15 | chillywilly | so from a standards point of view it sounds as if GSM is actually "better" |
| 05:22.29 | chillywilly | I think the main grip was data services speeds |
| 05:22.36 | chillywilly | gripe* |
| 05:22.48 | mwester | We're biased here, but yes, GSM is better from a standards point of view. :) |
| 05:22.53 | Kero | mwester: riiight. doesn't (necessarily) mean the standard is proprietary, but the lock-in sure s*cks |
| 05:22.56 | nowhistory | Cellular speeds (data) all suck. |
| 05:22.59 | nowhistory | :D |
| 05:23.15 | Kero | let's all go to Japan and use 3G :) |
| 05:23.28 | mwester | let's not get overly technically detailed, Kero :) |
| 05:23.31 | Kero | your puny quadband Neo is not gonna work there |
| 05:23.36 | nowhistory | Until recently, we were stuck in the mid-80's with 9600 baud max |
| 05:23.58 | Kero | mwester: why not, it's past midnight ;) |
| 05:24.35 | nowhistory | ok, real tech q... can i just add a nameserver to /etc/resolv.conf and have it do DNS lookups? :D |
| 05:24.45 | Kero | nowhistory: yes |
| 05:25.05 | mwester | Well, you need a network connection, too... |
| 05:25.28 | Kero | there must be nicer ways to hook DNS into usb0, but so far I;ve just edited /etc/resolv.conf myself |
| 05:25.46 | chillywilly | T-mobile's UMA thing where the phone can switch from cell network to a wifi network is rather intriguing to me |
| 05:26.08 | chillywilly | you guys have any plans for supporting such a thing? |
| 05:26.16 | nowhistory | Kero: Well, it should do DHCP, but I will deal with that in time. :P |
| 05:26.19 | chillywilly | or is that prop. crap technology ;) |
| 05:26.38 | mwester | Kero: I tried setting up a DHCP server on the other end of the USB network connection, but it was way more trouble than just editing /etc/resolv.conf in the end... |
| 05:26.41 | nowhistory | chillywilly: You need provider stuff for that. |
| 05:27.01 | chillywilly | and is it possible to go back from a wifi connection to the cell network? |
| 05:27.08 | chillywilly | so there's not real open standard? |
| 05:27.17 | chillywilly | I suppose you could always go with skype |
| 05:28.03 | nowhistory | it's routed, it's a pain in the ass |
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| 05:28.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello |
| 05:28.22 | nowhistory | chillywilly: no, no open standard |
| 05:28.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | Any rough estimates on when the end user phone will be out? |
| 05:28.39 | nowhistory | chillywilly: it's possible, and it's something we'll look into ... when wifi gets here :) |
| 05:28.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | My nokia isn't far from dying |
| 05:28.56 | nowhistory | Dark_Apostrophe: Next year sometime? |
| 05:28.57 | nowhistory | :) |
| 05:28.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ah, sorry |
| 05:29.07 | chillywilly | so EDGE, etc. are all just 2.xG technologies that just aren't quite 3G? |
| 05:29.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | Damn... I'll have to get another phone in the mean time, then. :( |
| 05:29.38 | Moniker42 | Dark_Apostrophe, the official line is "when it's ready, goddamnit!" |
| 05:29.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Like Debian, eh? :) |
| 05:29.55 | chillywilly | I just really love to sitch my vonage and have the freedom to connection through a wifi network if possible :) |
| 05:29.57 | Moniker42 | Dark_Apostrophe, no |
| 05:29.59 | chillywilly | ditch* |
| 05:30.00 | Moniker42 | Dark_Apostrophe, that's never ready. |
| 05:30.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | haha |
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| 05:30.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | Still, I only ask for rough estimates, such as maybe Q1 2008 |
| 05:30.41 | linuxxr | for #2? |
| 05:31.18 | chillywilly | just use Ubuntu ;) |
| 05:31.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | Eek. |
| 05:31.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | No. :) |
| 05:31.43 | chillywilly | they have fixed release cycles for the most part :) |
| 05:31.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | I use Debian Sid. :p |
| 05:31.46 | nowhistory | chillywilly: :) .. I'm close to that |
| 05:32.06 | chillywilly | I haven't used Debian in a while really... |
| 05:32.11 | linuxxr | slackin |
| 05:32.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | linuxxr: #2=GTA02? If so, yes |
| 05:32.18 | linuxxr | ok |
| 05:32.23 | linuxxr | yea |
| 05:32.35 | linuxxr | i want 1:) |
| 05:32.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | I do too |
| 05:32.55 | rwhitby | mwester: in my opinion the default /etc/resolv.conf should point to 192.168.0.200 (the normal other endpoint of the USB link). |
| 05:33.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | But if my current phone dies before that, and it just might, I'll need to get a different one |
| 05:33.02 | chillywilly | hey, if Canonical can get their foot in the door and get some companies that use RHEL using a Debian-based distro I'm al for that |
| 05:33.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | And then I won't be able to afford the GTA02 |
| 05:33.20 | mwester | rwhitby: That's an easy change to make ;) |
| 05:33.22 | linuxxr | yea just wait |
| 05:33.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ick. RPM. |
| 05:33.55 | linuxxr | .tgz |
| 05:34.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | Slack. >_< |
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| 05:34.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | .deb and .ebuild ftw :p |
| 05:34.31 | linuxxr | @.tgz |
| 05:34.43 | chillywilly | anyway |
| 05:34.49 | chillywilly | emacs or vi? |
| 05:34.53 | chillywilly | j/k |
| 05:35.03 | chillywilly | ahem... |
| 05:35.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | nano? |
| 05:35.30 | mwester | real programmers use "cat" |
| 05:35.35 | mwester | So I'm told, anyway... |
| 05:35.37 | chillywilly | cat w/ sed |
| 05:35.39 | |R | pff real programmers use magnets :P |
| 05:35.43 | chillywilly | yea! |
| 05:35.52 | rwhitby | binary sed. |
| 05:35.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | So anyway, is Q1 2k8 a realistic timeframe? |
| 05:36.21 | rwhitby | Dark_Apostrophe: all depends whether the next hardware rev works or not. |
| 05:36.28 | |R | no |
| 05:36.31 | |R | oops |
| 05:36.40 | rwhitby | if it's perfect, then it's a realistic timeframe. If it's not, then there's no chance. |
| 05:36.46 | rwhitby | (and there's the software to think of too) |
| 05:36.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | rwhitby: And do you think it will? |
| 05:37.03 | rwhitby | Dark_Apostrophe: I'm not on the hardware design team, so there is no way that I could know. |
| 05:37.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | rwhitby: Is there some RSS feed or something one can sign up to for updates? |
| 05:37.19 | rwhitby | There are no updates usually. |
| 05:37.44 | rwhitby | Although Michael Shiloh is doing some now on the community list, and I think he said he was going to send them to the announce list too. |
| 05:37.55 | chillywilly | does openmoko use ipkg? |
| 05:38.26 | rwhitby | ~faq |
| 05:38.27 | apt | faq is, like, frequently asked question... try asking me about "RTFM" |
| 05:38.36 | rwhitby | ~wiki |
| 05:39.07 | rwhitby | (i.e. that is information you can easily find on the wiki) |
| 05:39.19 | chillywilly | I know I could look this up but I am almost alseep ;) |
| 05:40.19 | rwhitby | I put "ipkg" into the search box on the wiki front page, and got the answer. You could do that faster than typing the question here :-) |
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| 05:41.05 | chillywilly | I got distracted and started reading the "Economist" article when going out looking fro the wiki... |
| 05:41.09 | chillywilly | for* |
| 05:41.16 | nowhistory | The real question is... when you run ipkg, can you really come up to date? ;P |
| 05:41.31 | chillywilly | ipkg update? |
| 05:41.35 | chillywilly | ;P |
| 05:42.07 | Kero | yes, but up-to-date is broken atm |
| 05:42.21 | nowhistory | I think you have to run upgrade after that |
| 05:42.28 | chillywilly | I don't remember |
| 05:42.41 | nowhistory | Kero: oh, so running update isn't recommended ATM? |
| 05:42.41 | chillywilly | I'd have to login to my openwrt device ;) |
| 05:42.53 | Kero | you do have to "upgrade" too, yes |
| 05:43.33 | Kero | nope. I did it yesterday, about when someone said it was broken. He was, unfortunately, right. |
| 05:43.37 | chillywilly | so december for the GTA02 device? |
| 05:43.50 | chillywilly | that's pretty exciting stuff |
| 05:44.01 | nowhistory | even the 01 is exciting ;) |
| 05:44.25 | chillywilly | sure |
| 05:44.31 | nowhistory | I'll be more excited to get a GPS map going, but one thing at a time :) |
| 05:45.23 | nowhistory | Here's a tricky question... any way to get the GSM modem to spit out which towers are nearby? |
| 05:45.39 | nowhistory | (cell towers that is) |
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| 05:47.35 | mwester | nowhistory: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA01_gsm_modem |
| 05:47.57 | mwester | AT%EM, I think |
| 05:51.00 | CM | rwhitby: I totally agree with you on the resolv.conf file. Think I've asked XorA|gone about it more than once |
| 05:52.27 | cjb_ie | nowhistory: actually, your nick reminds me, over on oftc #osm just a couple of hours ago we were discussing historical maps, and ideally being able to have a date slider alongside zoom slider. that's a long way off yet though :( |
| 05:52.37 | nowhistory | mwester: Thanks for the pointer ... been a while since i've been to that page, looks like it's been updated |
| 05:53.20 | nowhistory | Historical maps, eh? |
| 05:53.38 | nowhistory | I'd like to figure out some neat stuff with mapping layers |
| 05:54.22 | cjb_ie | yeah, it's a bit much to expect servers to start rendering tiles based on date ranges on demand |
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| 05:56.39 | rwhitby | chillywilly: Dec for GTA02 - you're dreaming. |
| 05:58.01 | nowhistory | cjb_ie: never know :P |
| 05:58.34 | CM | Hehe, and what's that last part about!?! |
| 05:58.36 | nowhistory | But it would be pretty neat to have a way to overlay stuff |
| 05:58.42 | chillywilly | rats |
| 05:59.29 | CM | ScaredyCat: Why dcoes the topic say "| ScaredyCat sweats in his small bits" in the end? :D |
| 05:59.36 | CM | *does |
| 06:00.05 | CM | doc|home: You prankster! :P |
| 06:00.07 | chillywilly | cause it's humorous? |
| 06:00.23 | CM | chillywilly: I'm sure it's a fact.. ;) |
| 06:00.39 | CM | Definitely more truth to it than GTA02 in December |
| 06:00.48 | chillywilly | :-/ |
| 06:03.25 | cjb_ie | erm, as ScaredyCat, even |
| 06:03.52 | CM | cjb_ie: Yeah, tease the right guy here please ;) |
| 06:04.07 | chillywilly | I'm not sure what that saying actually means but I think I have a good idea |
| 06:04.13 | chillywilly | ;P |
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| 06:10.12 | chillywilly | I'm curious, is there an expectation that providers will pick up the product or are direct sales more likely to occur and people will just pop their SIM card in |
| 06:11.57 | cjb_ie | i dunno about you lot, but i bought about my last four phones sim free |
| 06:12.37 | chillywilly | well I have the cheapest freakin cell phone right now ;) |
| 06:12.40 | chillywilly | it really sucks |
| 06:12.44 | chillywilly | it's a nokia 3120 ;P |
| 06:14.51 | cjb_ie | over the last ten years or so i've had nokia 9000i, handspring visorphone, sonyericsson p800, p910i, and now treo 680 |
| 06:15.33 | cjb_ie | actually the last three were all second hand (but sim free) |
| 06:16.11 | chillywilly | so does it use an SD card or what? |
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| 06:16.25 | cjb_ie | the treo? yup |
| 06:16.33 | rwhitby | Moto Timeport, Treo 180, Treo 250, Treo 600, Treo 650. |
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| 06:28.38 | josch | hi! is there some problem with projects.openmoko.org? |
| 06:28.46 | josch | I get Permission denied (publickey). when I try to log in |
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| 06:32.29 | josch | could anybody here try to access projects.openmoko.org via ssh? |
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| 06:39.15 | josch | please? |
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| 06:39.24 | CM | OpenMoko needs some advertising with the same quality as MS had for DOS 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmEvPZUdAVI |
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| 06:44.12 | josch | CM, give me 20 hot chicks and cnsider this job done |
| 06:44.26 | CM | josch: Hehe |
| 06:45.04 | josch | is there anywhere a list of openembedded distro capable devices? |
| 06:45.40 | CM | Not that I know of, but maybe on openembedded.org |
| 06:45.52 | doc|home | cm: >:) |
| 06:45.59 | CM | :D |
| 06:46.03 | josch | and then there is still this projects.openmoko.org problem |
| 06:46.05 | doc|home | hehe |
| 06:46.19 | doc|home | so, I'm got a n800. it rocks everything that came before it :| |
| 06:46.21 | josch | is nobody here with a project on this server? |
| 06:46.49 | doc|home | longer battery life would have been nice but you can't have everything :/ |
| 06:46.58 | CM | mbuf: You have one don't you? |
| 06:48.19 | mbuf | CM, yes, a couple |
| 06:48.37 | mbuf | josch, what is the problem? i don't have any |
| 06:48.53 | josch | mbuf, thx will try again |
| 06:49.06 | mbuf | CM, just released "Preity-Plugin" beta-1, check it out, https://projects.openmoko.org/projects/preity-plugin/ |
| 06:49.18 | CM | mbuf: I know, read your mail yesterday :) |
| 06:49.35 | mbuf | CM, ohh ok; yet to do installation/testing, will work on it |
| 06:49.36 | CM | Haven't tried it though, got anjuta installed yesterday |
| 06:50.51 | josch | okay if I do ssh josch@mokopedia.projects.openmoko.org I get Permission denied (publickey). |
| 06:51.02 | josch | do I do sth wrong? |
| 06:51.37 | mbuf | josch, you need to upload your ssh publickey |
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| 06:52.23 | josch | mbuf, since when? |
| 06:52.26 | josch | and where? |
| 06:52.30 | mbuf | josch, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-October/001638.html |
| 06:52.51 | josch | ha! -_- |
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| 06:53.43 | josch | ah I understand now - I reinstalled my laptop so my key changed |
| 06:53.56 | josch | forgot that I had to upload sth |
| 06:54.03 | josch | but the old one is there |
| 06:55.06 | mbuf | josch, give it an hour or so, for the server to update the same, from the time you upload the key |
| 06:56.03 | josch | done - thx mbuf |
| 06:56.58 | mbuf | josch, np |
| 06:59.30 | notserpe | anyone here from Berlin? |
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| 07:00.56 | CM | notserpe: The om guys had a meeting there yesterday ;) |
| 07:01.38 | notserpe | I was thinking of heading there for 24C3 and want some advice |
| 07:02.01 | notserpe | i know abunch of mokohackers are from there it would seem |
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| 07:03.00 | CM | notserpe: Some here at least: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Berlin |
| 07:04.44 | notserpe | ah, roh is from there. I'll try to talk with him |
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| 07:20.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1019 has been created by mail(AT)mmontour.net |
| 07:20.02 | cdbot2 | * * Possible cross-compiler bug involving type coercion |
| 07:20.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1019 |
| 07:22.00 | CM | mmontour: Hehe, how did you figure that one out? |
| 07:22.33 | mmontour | After a couple of hours of beating my head against the wall for why one of my GPS test progs wasn't working. |
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| 07:35.44 | josch | mmontour, indeed a tricky bug ^^ |
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| 07:50.21 | CM | mmontour: Btw, shouldn't that bug be in openembedded bugzilla instead/too? I guess it would affect everyone using oe.. |
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| 07:59.11 | XorA | morning |
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| 08:03.16 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:04.33 | zash | orly |
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| 08:22.10 | XorA | CM: you made some comment about resolv.conf but Ive no idea what context? |
| 08:22.41 | CM | XorA: rwhitby wondered earlier why there was no default one in the rootfs |
| 08:22.47 | XorA | CM: there is |
| 08:22.52 | CM | There is? |
| 08:22.57 | CM | Since when? |
| 08:23.02 | XorA | CM: since 3 days ago |
| 08:23.06 | CM | Ah, heh |
| 08:23.16 | CM | I think you did say something about it |
| 08:23.26 | CM | My current image is from the evening on the 18th |
| 08:23.28 | XorA | CM: there is an up statement on usb that creates it when interface goes up |
| 08:23.39 | CM | Ah, nice. |
| 08:24.16 | CM | What's in it? |
| 08:24.20 | XorA | took me a while to realise busybox ifup doesnt understand post-up :-) |
| 08:24.25 | CM | hehe |
| 08:24.34 | XorA | echo nameserver 192.168.0.200 >/etc/resolv.conf |
| 08:24.53 | CM | *nod* Same as I do after every reflash :) |
| 08:25.00 | CM | Thanks |
| 08:25.21 | CM | rwhitby: See? ^^ :) |
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| 09:39.40 | CVirus | FIC hired anyone else instead of Welte yet ? |
| 09:48.35 | CM | CVirus: I've noticed that some bugs assigned to LaF0rge has now been moved over to michael@openmoko.org |
| 09:48.56 | xcasex | 1has anyone tried usb-networking with the neo? :D |
| 09:49.06 | CVirus | CM: that is mickey .. right ? |
| 09:49.17 | CM | Yes, I assume so |
| 09:49.17 | mbuf | xcasex, it should work by default? |
| 09:49.28 | xcasex | mbuf: excellent :) |
| 09:50.10 | CM | xcasex: Since 3 days ago a default resolv.conf will even be created when you plug in the usb :) |
| 09:50.22 | xcasex | CM: impressive :) |
| 09:50.27 | CM | xcasex: I assume you've seen the page in the wiki |
| 09:50.49 | xcasex | CM: nope. havent had time to do anything recreational in three days :) |
| 09:51.02 | CM | xcasex: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 09:51.45 | CVirus | No news about the GTA02v5 yet ? |
| 09:51.48 | mbuf | xcasex, seeing the wiki is not recreational? :p |
| 09:52.07 | ScaredyCat | CM: is that definately the case? |
| 09:52.10 | xcasex | mbuf: it is if i'm at a clients migrating windows machines to ubuntu :p |
| 09:52.50 | CVirus | oh .. ScaredyCat is here ... No more stupid questions for me |
| 09:53.00 | CM | ScaredyCat: Hmm.. *whistle innocently* |
| 09:53.08 | ScaredyCat | wha!? |
| 09:53.28 | CM | CVirus: See topic.. :D |
| 09:53.36 | CVirus | hehe |
| 09:54.07 | ScaredyCat | cm: are you useing !ScaredyCat images and getting a resolv.conf ? |
| 09:54.51 | CM | ScaredyCat: Honestly haven't tried that yet, but XorA said it works now |
| 09:55.11 | CM | 09:23 <XorA> CM: there is an up statement on usb that creates it when interface goes up |
| 09:55.25 | ScaredyCat | ok, I'm just trying to establish if I have to keep generating a defualt one in my builds |
| 09:56.05 | ScaredyCat | looks like not... |
| 09:56.34 | CM | Btw, I thought your first question was about a comment I did around 06:58 |
| 10:03.08 | ScaredyCat | I didn;t see it... |
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| 10:04.41 | ScaredyCat | !logs |
| 10:04.41 | cdbot2 | Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: |
| 10:04.42 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko |
| 10:04.43 | cdbot2 | Live-logs are available at |
| 10:04.45 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog |
| 10:04.47 | cdbot2 | See ?? help-logs for usage instructions |
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| 10:06.33 | nano- | Just flashed in a kernel/rootfs on my moko from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D |
| 10:07.09 | nano- | It doesn't boot X, and ipkg fails due to one of the repo urls are missing (404) |
| 10:07.17 | nano- | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/ipk/neo1973/Packages.gz |
| 10:08.20 | *** topic/#openmoko by ScaredyCat -> The OpenMoko Project - http://openmoko.org - Neo1973 GTA01 on sale at https://direct.openmoko.com || Do not ask about GTA02 (December as of last update - yes, that's with WiFi, and no, there's no cam). Latest official update is at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
| 10:10.31 | nano- | (so the question is, is that an important repo or is it ok to just remove it for the moment) |
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| 10:16.23 | CIA-14 | 03dodji * r3473 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokojournal2/mokojournal-tool/mokojournal-tool.c: |
| 10:16.23 | CIA-14 | Commented out _add() in mokojournal-tool.c |
| 10:16.23 | CIA-14 | Was causing an undefined symbol |
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| 10:35.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1020 has been created by graeme(AT)openmoko.org |
| 10:35.02 | cdbot2 | * * Investigate Upstart in OpenMoko |
| 10:35.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1020 |
| 10:37.32 | nano- | What to do if wget is a directory? |
| 10:37.44 | nano- | ... /usr/bin/wget/Xcms.txt |
| 10:37.46 | nano- | o_O |
| 10:37.55 | zash | -r? |
| 10:38.03 | thresh | chkrootkit? |
| 10:38.20 | nano- | on the moko |
| 10:38.38 | nano- | on the neo even, in moko |
| 10:39.32 | nano- | last img i tried, libX11.so.6/Xcms.txt existed. sounds a bit broken. anyway, it would be nice if someone could upload their wget somewhere so that I can upgrade. |
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| 10:41.59 | nano- | got the file from a friend, nevermind. |
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| 10:54.34 | ckn_2k2 | atul:hi |
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| 10:55.18 | atul | ckn_2k2, hi |
| 10:55.23 | ScaredyCat | looks like randr is farked |
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| 11:00.38 | Ghiottone|work | hello community |
| 11:01.41 | dread | hi |
| 11:02.03 | Ghiottone|work | I am at work and cannot access my openmoko build dir |
| 11:02.30 | Ghiottone|work | but I need to know where glibc sources are fetched and if there are any patches. Anyone can help? |
| 11:03.33 | dread | if i'm on a dualcore machine and like to use parallel make, should i use "-j 4" like it is in the wiki or should i adjust the "4" to my number of cpu core? |
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| 11:10.04 | Ghiottone|work | dread I would use 2 and add BB_NUMBER_THREADS = "2" |
| 11:11.07 | dread | Ghiottone|work: ok, as i assumed ;-) thank you |
| 11:11.21 | borg_ | Ghiottone|work: there are patches |
| 11:12.23 | Ghiottone|work | borg_ is there an URI for sources and patches? I need to look at them via web |
| 11:12.27 | borg_ | in openembedded/packages/glib-2.0/glib-2.0-2.14.1/ |
| 11:12.34 | borg_ | ah |
| 11:12.37 | borg_ | dont know :) |
| 11:12.43 | borg_ | how you can find them via web |
| 11:12.47 | borg_ | i am at work too ;) |
| 11:12.58 | Ghiottone|work | borg_ that is glib but I need glibc |
| 11:13.22 | borg_ | ouh |
| 11:13.23 | borg_ | sry :) |
| 11:13.30 | Ghiottone|work | borg_ oh thanks. I need them now as the elf statifier developer is working to port it to the neo |
| 11:13.54 | borg_ | openembedded/packages/glibc/glibc-2.5/ |
| 11:14.16 | borg_ | there are some pateches too :) |
| 11:14.22 | Ghiottone|work | could you please use a pastebin to let me look at the recipe? |
| 11:20.22 | borg_ | http://homepages.upb.de/olaf/dinge/glibc_2.7.bb |
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| 11:27.31 | XorA | Ghiottone|work: elf statifier, really, cool, that could make glllin a lot easier to produce |
| 11:29.39 | Ghiottone|work | borg_ thanks a lot! |
| 11:30.02 | Ghiottone|work | XorA yes. that was the idea behind my asking him to port it to the neo |
| 11:30.30 | ScaredyCat | it's not much of an issue to run it atm though |
| 11:30.39 | ScaredyCat | but it would probably make it nicer |
| 11:30.47 | Ghiottone|work | XorA after mickeyl said he was interested in the technical result we started working |
| 11:31.05 | XorA | Ghiottone|work: yeah I brought up elf statifier at OEDEM |
| 11:31.20 | XorA | ScaredyCat: if it was statified we could package it |
| 11:31.26 | SpeedEvil | what's an elf statifier then? |
| 11:31.50 | XorA | SpeedEvil: the name is self explanatory :-) |
| 11:31.53 | ScaredyCat | converts santa's elves to different sorts |
| 11:32.20 | ScaredyCat | afaik it allows relinking of apps build with static libs to dynamic ones |
| 11:32.27 | ScaredyCat | built |
| 11:32.40 | ScaredyCat | or theother way round |
| 11:32.54 | SpeedEvil | the other way round would be logical |
| 11:33.03 | flexd | /home/kristoffer/moko/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/audio/audio.c:1917: fatal error: opening dependency file audio/audio.d: No such file or directory |
| 11:33.20 | flexd | How am i supposed to get that file? (Trying to do make qemu) |
| 11:33.31 | flexd | Do i have to compile the whole thing again after doing make update? |
| 11:33.31 | ScaredyCat | who brok the x server build! |
| 11:33.37 | XorA | ScaredyCat: qemu? |
| 11:33.50 | ScaredyCat | me? no... |
| 11:33.59 | XorA | ScaredyCat: which machine you build for? |
| 11:34.05 | ScaredyCat | x86 |
| 11:34.07 | ScaredyCat | on |
| 11:34.13 | XorA | ScaredyCat: Im just testing the fix for that, commit in 10 mins |
| 11:34.19 | ScaredyCat | ahh k |
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| 11:35.09 | Ghiottone|work | XorA you brought it up? what was the result? |
| 11:36.44 | mbuf | with sshd running on the Neo, is it possible to connect to the Neo from the host system using dbus, from a GTK+ application? if yes, how? |
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| 11:38.11 | SpeedEvil | can you do dbus over tcp/ip? |
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| 11:38.31 | SpeedEvil | if so, you could use a seperate tunnel |
| 11:40.09 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, but, what would be the service name for ssh? |
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| 11:41.13 | XorA | Ghiottone|work: not much as we didnt think an arm version was imminent |
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| 12:04.56 | xcasex | looks like the taiwanese office needs a heavy thwap on the head |
| 12:05.46 | XorA | xcasex: wazzup? |
| 12:06.09 | xcasex | someone made a joke in a official looking email about my order grr :p |
| 12:06.48 | flexd | what kind of joke? :P |
| 12:07.49 | XorA | ScaredyCat: fix pushed |
| 12:08.43 | xcasex | flexd: fat cats in america and that causing my neo to be delivered after the weekend :( |
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| 12:11.45 | flexd | lol :D |
| 12:11.56 | flexd | but why order a phone now? Why not wait for gta02 :/? |
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| 12:13.04 | nox-Hand | The wait is outweighed the advantages |
| 12:13.08 | nox-Hand | by the* >_> |
| 12:13.14 | flexd | It's like having a xbox 360 days from being released, and then buy a old xbox.. :P |
| 12:14.01 | XorA | at least old xbox runs linux |
| 12:15.34 | hrw | flexd: at least qemu is available so no such need for real device |
| 12:15.47 | flexd | hrw: mhm, i'm trying to compile it now |
| 12:16.17 | hrw | especially when gta01 is... argh often |
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| 12:16.58 | flexd | ah sick days are the best |
| 12:16.58 | xcasex | tss. when gta02 gets out, i'll order it. |
| 12:17.22 | ScaredyCat | ta XorA |
| 12:17.27 | mbuf | other than ssh is there any other method of transfering files from host to target Neo? |
| 12:17.28 | flexd | i have a headache and my throat hurts, but then again i have a warm bed, assasins creed on my 360, qemu compiling and irc to talk to people! :D |
| 12:17.39 | hrw | second battery + charger is nearly required, you have to get phone with you when you want to buy microsd card... |
| 12:18.12 | hrw | but at least those who buy gta01 gets microsd card with device so maybe they get working one |
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| 12:19.20 | CIA-14 | 03chris * r3474 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (11 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 12:19.20 | CIA-14 | * src/Makefile.am: |
| 12:19.20 | CIA-14 | Add new files sms-compose.[ch] and sms-utils.[ch] |
| 12:19.20 | CIA-14 | * src/sms-compose.c: (page_shown), (page_hidden), |
| 12:19.20 | CIA-14 | (notify_visible_cb), (visibility_notify_event_cb), (unmap_cb), |
| 12:19.22 | CIA-14 | (send_clicked_cb), (sms_compose_page_new): |
| 12:19.24 | CIA-14 | * src/sms-compose.h: |
| 12:23.51 | Ghiottone|work | back |
| 12:24.18 | Ghiottone|work | XorA well it was not imminent before I asked the developer if he was interested in porting it to the Neo. |
| 12:24.44 | Ghiottone|work | XorA but now he is interested and working since monday. Good progress has been made |
| 12:24.50 | XorA | hrw: Ive have microSD with all my GTA01 did you not? |
| 12:25.01 | XorA | Ghiottone|work: well pass on a woo woo from me :-) |
| 12:25.12 | Ghiottone|work | XorA sure! :) |
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| 12:26.53 | hrw | XorA: with gta01v3 I got 128MB card. gta01bv4 came nearly naked |
| 12:27.15 | XorA | hrw: yeah but bv3 was supposed to go in bin when bv4 arrived :-) |
| 12:27.38 | rwhitby | bv3 will make a very nice gsm sms gateway thank you very much. |
| 12:28.31 | hrw | XorA: anyway I have 1GB card which is useless in neo |
| 12:28.49 | hrw | all my devices see that card but not neo |
| 12:29.10 | hrw | which suxx because it is reallly hard to fit in 64M flash on neo |
| 12:29.14 | XorA | hrw: well crack out your printk debugging and fix it, my 512M Kingston worked until card died |
| 12:30.08 | hrw | XorA: maybe one day |
| 12:30.24 | XorA | hrw: and what you complaining of you used to have a collie :-D |
| 12:30.36 | XorA | hrw: 2 years and you forget how to fit in 16M :-) |
| 12:31.30 | hrw | XorA: with collie I had /opt/ on cf card |
| 12:31.44 | hrw | XorA: wit neo I cannot put stuff on card because it does not work |
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| 12:34.15 | hrw | and fighting with sd/mmc card is something which I do not like to do |
| 12:34.44 | hrw | I can probably get to the moment when it will work for my card but patch will have hardcoded timeouts |
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| 12:42.57 | CIA-14 | 03chris * r3475 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (6 files in 2 dirs): |
| 12:42.57 | CIA-14 | * Makefile.am: |
| 12:42.57 | CIA-14 | * configure.ac: |
| 12:42.57 | CIA-14 | * data/Makefile.am: |
| 12:42.57 | CIA-14 | * data/openmoko-messages.desktop: |
| 12:42.58 | CIA-14 | Add a .desktop entry |
| 12:45.01 | ScaredyCat | meh |
| 12:45.09 | ScaredyCat | still broken XorA |
| 12:46.34 | ScaredyCat | http://pastebin.ca/793604 |
| 12:49.03 | CIA-14 | 03chris * r3476 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 12:49.03 | CIA-14 | * src/today-launcher.c: (item_added_cb): |
| 12:49.03 | CIA-14 | * src/today-main.c: (today_messages_button_clicked_cb), |
| 12:49.03 | CIA-14 | (today_create_home_page): |
| 12:49.03 | CIA-14 | * src/today-pim-journal.c: (unread_messages_button_press_cb): |
| 12:49.04 | CIA-14 | * src/today.h: |
| 12:49.06 | CIA-14 | Enable openmoko-messages launcher |
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| 13:18.03 | flexd | Please dont tell me im doing another 12h build? |
| 13:18.16 | flexd | I started it a while ago (after make update), now it's generating locales |
| 13:19.10 | CM | flexd: Didn't you set ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" in your local.conf? |
| 13:19.18 | ScaredyCat | you should disable the locales |
| 13:19.22 | flexd | >_< |
| 13:19.27 | ScaredyCat | like what he said ^^^^^ |
| 13:19.34 | flexd | i havent touched my local.conf |
| 13:19.42 | flexd | i just wanna compile qemu with the latest image :/ |
| 13:19.46 | ScaredyCat | ~fish flexd |
| 13:19.47 | apt | ACTION slaps flexd around with a large trout |
| 13:19.47 | CM | Hehe.. glibc is updated in oe |
| 13:20.00 | ScaredyCat | gggrrrrrr |
| 13:20.05 | flexd | where do i find my local.conf then? |
| 13:20.11 | ScaredyCat | build/conf |
| 13:20.57 | flexd | anything else i need to do? |
| 13:20.59 | flexd | to speed this up |
| 13:21.39 | ScaredyCat | that'll save at least an hour |
| 13:22.19 | flexd | hmm |
| 13:22.21 | flexd | I've built this before |
| 13:22.28 | flexd | so it shouldnt do the whole thing again i hope >_> |
| 13:23.22 | CM | flexd: as I said, it's just rebuilding glibc because it's updated in oe |
| 13:23.37 | CM | So no 12h, but maybe 1.5 ;) |
| 13:23.49 | CM | If X compiles that is.. |
| 13:24.05 | CM | :( |
| 13:24.21 | CM | I saw it, just hoped some magic had just happened ;) |
| 13:25.20 | ScaredyCat | it didn't |
| 13:25.26 | ScaredyCat | there wasn't |
| 13:25.35 | ScaredyCat | although Xora said there was and it would |
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| 13:31.32 | XorA | ScaredyCat: oh, thats a different problem to the one that was just fixed |
| 13:32.00 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 13:32.17 | ScaredyCat | can you unfix the other one and fix this one instead then :) |
| 13:32.36 | XorA | well the other one would bit you as well |
| 13:40.08 | yashi | got "Binder driver protocol does not match user space protocol!" |
| 13:41.07 | flexd | gtk+fastscaling-2.10-14-r1: task do_populate_staging: started |
| 13:41.21 | XorA | ScaredyCat: shit I think the angstrom versions bump has brought in incompatible X includes |
| 13:41.24 | flexd | approx where am i on the build then? :P there should be a progress bar or something! |
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| 13:54.07 | demaledetti | flexd: there is a progress indicator, look for lines starting with "NOTE: Running task" |
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| 13:59.43 | XorA | ScaredyCat: what versions of libxrender and renderproto built for you? |
| 14:00.42 | CIA-14 | 03chris * r3477 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (ChangeLog src/sms-compose.c): |
| 14:00.42 | CIA-14 | * src/sms-compose.c: (send_clicked_cb): |
| 14:00.42 | CIA-14 | Check if message is NULL, only switch page back on successful send and |
| 14:00.43 | CIA-14 | empty text entry after sending text |
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| 14:09.10 | XorA | ScaredyCat: Ive tracked the problem down |
| 14:10.02 | CM | I'll test it too if you want |
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| 14:11.37 | flexd | demaledetti: oh i see it now |
| 14:11.47 | flexd | Running task 4368 of 5037 :/ |
| 14:12.03 | CM | Running task 4917 of 5037 |
| 14:12.22 | flexd | did you get a 404 right before the libjana stuff too? |
| 14:12.36 | flexd | it's still compiling |
| 14:12.39 | flexd | i just saw a 404 error fly by |
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| 14:13.05 | CM | Some of those go by, but usually nothing to worry about |
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| 14:13.25 | CM | It will just pick from some other source |
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| 14:15.00 | yoyo | hi |
| 14:15.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1021 has been created by yoyo(AT)ghost.pl |
| 14:15.02 | cdbot2 | * * xserver-kdrive |
| 14:15.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1021 |
| 14:15.11 | yoyo | :) good cdbot2 :) |
| 14:15.54 | XorA | yoyo: working on that now |
| 14:16.18 | yoyo | XorA: super |
| 14:16.29 | XorA | yoyo: there is a quick fix |
| 14:16.39 | XorA | yoyo: but I need to find how and why this happened |
| 14:16.40 | yoyo | XorA: yes |
| 14:18.50 | yoyo | weary weird |
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| 14:20.44 | demaledetti | I didn't get that error here, the build just ended fine |
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| 14:23.12 | yoyo | to rebuild something from armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi I need to delete what ? make clean-package-linux-gnueabi? |
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| 14:24.11 | demaledetti | why does make flash-qemu-local download pre-built images even if make openmoko-devel-image just finished building an image? |
| 14:25.13 | CM | demaledetti: use make qemu-local |
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| 14:26.34 | demaledetti | CM: aha, great, thanks |
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| 14:29.08 | Ghiottone|work | borg_ ping? |
| 14:29.38 | Ghiottone|work | borg_ is there also the bb file for the 2.5 version of glibc? |
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| 14:33.01 | borg_ | Ghiottone|work: http://homepages.upb.de/olaf/dinge/bb/ |
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| 14:37.58 | Ghiottone|work | borg_ thanks again |
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| 14:50.03 | yashi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stgA7gB7quY |
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| 14:52.01 | yoyo | :) see a cs time |
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| 14:54.55 | edistar | hi |
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| 14:56.50 | edistar | are the hardware buttons really that hard to press/use? |
| 14:57.07 | thos | the can be |
| 14:57.28 | thos | but at least that means they're not used accidentally :-) |
| 14:57.41 | edistar | ok |
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| 15:06.25 | flexd | task 5036 of 5037 started! |
| 15:06.26 | flexd | :O |
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| 15:13.23 | flexd | err |
| 15:13.25 | flexd | all this |
| 15:13.42 | flexd | and it fails on "opening dependency file auto/audio.d: No such file or directory" |
| 15:13.56 | flexd | in qemu directory |
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| 15:30.11 | XorA | ~lart oyter cards |
| 15:30.11 | apt | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps oyter cards |
| 15:30.20 | XorA | ~lart oyster cards |
| 15:30.20 | apt | shoots oyster cards in his sleep |
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| 15:32.47 | CM | Rail tickets? |
| 15:33.01 | XorA | CM: yeah, I want to top up for 3 days, but website is down |
| 15:33.23 | CM | I wonder why it's always like that.. |
| 15:33.52 | CM | Anything related to transport on rail have homepages that barely work. |
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| 15:34.30 | XorA | CM: or as all the .eu people found at guadec, you can buy rail tickets in any country that has a valid UK postcode |
| 15:34.44 | CM | Hehe |
| 15:35.26 | XorA | although koen did find the secret webpage with super cheap fairs for foreigners |
| 15:35.35 | XorA | so I booked from that for him and us :-) |
| 15:36.01 | hrw | XorA: url? |
| 15:36.33 | XorA | hrw: if you go to standard virgin site, you will see it, you are outside uk |
| 15:36.53 | XorA | hrw: I had to get koen to send me a screen shot, then I used the info on that to find the train the UK version of the site didnt show |
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| 15:47.14 | CIA-14 | 03chris * r3478 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (ChangeLog src/today-utils.c): |
| 15:47.14 | CIA-14 | * src/today-utils.c: (today_toolbutton_new): |
| 15:47.14 | CIA-14 | Use GTK_ICON_SIZE_LARGE_TOOLBAR instead of DIALOG for toolbar icons |
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| 16:02.34 | mickeyl | hni folks |
| 16:03.47 | xaid|work | hi mickeyl |
| 16:04.24 | Writchie | hi mickey, what's the news |
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| 16:14.04 | haakeyar | mickeyl as in Michaelshiloh or some other mickey? |
| 16:14.24 | flexd | http://planet.openmoko.org |
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| 16:15.21 | haakeyar | Ah, ok. :) |
| 16:16.13 | flexd | join the group. |
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| 16:17.56 | shred | hi |
| 16:18.15 | shred | how do i install mplayer? is there an ipkg somewhere? |
| 16:19.28 | haakeyar | Anybody knows what's taking it so long? "and will come up with more updates and questions for you shortly." |
| 16:19.55 | mickeyl | Writchie: phoneserver and lowlevel daemon cooperation due soon |
| 16:20.02 | mickeyl | LiPS / Kernel Concepts |
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| 16:22.55 | flexd | mickeyl: Do you know where i can find/fix audio.d when trying to compile qemu? |
| 16:23.18 | mickeyl | no, sorry, i have yet to work w/ qemu |
| 16:23.21 | flexd | it cant find audio/audio.d in the qemu directory, but where am i supposed to get it from? >_> |
| 16:23.24 | flexd | ah |
| 16:23.50 | flexd | (it was actually a full OM compile that gave me that error) |
| 16:24.00 | Writchie | mickeyl: is anyone besides me working on the kernel gsm multiplexer |
| 16:24.30 | Vegar | are the mailing lists broken? |
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| 16:29.55 | mickeyl | Writchie: i don't think so. are you basing this on motorola MUX work? |
| 16:31.28 | Writchie | mickeyl: no, its from scratch. Calypso uses different options and the motorola has custom mods - |
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| 16:32.37 | Writchie | it does use line discilines and ttys for the ports but can support multiple muxes at the same time and handles either end. |
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| 16:33.12 | mickeyl | hmm interesting |
| 16:33.18 | Writchie | initial release wil be calypso only but in future it can be extended to any compatible (or even the moto modified) set of options |
| 16:33.24 | mickeyl | i think there is some work done by the OpenEZX guys |
| 16:33.33 | mickeyl | it would be a shame if we would end up with different kernel solutions |
| 16:33.44 | mickeyl | so could you try to sync. your approach with these guys? |
| 16:33.54 | mickeyl | Writchie: how far are you? |
| 16:34.14 | Writchie | the driver is almost running |
| 16:34.33 | Writchie | i worked in userland first to get the quirks on the calypso |
| 16:34.59 | Writchie | i reported this on a few weeks ago on the gsm list but got no responses. |
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| 16:35.49 | mickeyl | that's because there was no maintainer |
| 16:35.53 | mickeyl | there is one now |
| 16:36.01 | Writchie | maintainer of what? |
| 16:36.03 | mickeyl | gsmd |
| 16:36.06 | mickeyl | and kernel |
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| 16:36.17 | mickeyl | gsmd is maintained again |
| 16:36.18 | mickeyl | kernel not yet |
| 16:36.19 | Writchie | gsmd needs a designer first! |
| 16:36.26 | mickeyl | erm |
| 16:36.29 | mickeyl | *shrug* |
| 16:37.16 | Writchie | in any case i'm working bottom up - if you don't have mutliple ports you have a real ugly gsmd or its equivalent |
| 16:37.46 | mickeyl | good |
| 16:37.49 | mickeyl | try to be constructive |
| 16:37.56 | mickeyl | if you have a solid MUX solution at kernel |
| 16:38.04 | mickeyl | gsmd team can reconsider the design |
| 16:38.09 | mickeyl | in the meantime we need to ship a product though |
| 16:38.16 | mickeyl | which is why we are tweaking it to work |
| 16:38.17 | mickeyl | :) |
| 16:38.28 | Writchie | the present gsmd can run on one port of the mux |
| 16:38.46 | Writchie | and then we can break things off one by one starting with ppp and fax |
| 16:39.23 | Writchie | all the unsolicited stuff can be confined to one port. |
| 16:39.25 | mickeyl | sounds like a plan to me |
| 16:39.28 | mickeyl | a good plan |
| 16:39.46 | Writchie | who is kernel maintainer now? |
| 16:39.48 | mickeyl | please note that this particular gsmd design was never expected to last that long |
| 16:40.00 | Writchie | i understand |
| 16:40.15 | mickeyl | but before it could be rewritten, hell started |
| 16:40.16 | mickeyl | anyways |
| 16:40.28 | mickeyl | the kernel team has not refound yet |
| 16:40.36 | mickeyl | which is why kernel patches may stall for a bit |
| 16:40.52 | Writchie | FWIH harald was right about the mux belonging in the kernel. |
| 16:40.53 | mickeyl | but .tw is working on regrouping a kernel team |
| 16:41.02 | Writchie | s/FWIH/FWIW/ |
| 16:41.22 | mickeyl | Writchie: yes. I trust LaF0rge assessments 100% when it comes to system level design |
| 16:42.21 | Writchie | mickeyl: but only because of the peculiarities of the linux tty subsytem. |
| 16:43.31 | Writchie | mickeyl: on the kernel side, suspend/resume is probably the critical issue. |
| 16:44.01 | mickeyl | agreed. |
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| 16:46.37 | Writchie | mickeyl: is there a uboot maintainer? |
| 16:47.01 | mickeyl | same as kernel. right now the system level position is de facto unoccupied. |
| 16:47.14 | mickeyl | we're working hard to fix that |
| 16:47.18 | mickeyl | but good system level people are rare |
| 16:48.33 | Writchie | mickeyl: who's steering this ship? |
| 16:49.32 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 16:49.35 | mickeyl | what should i answer here? |
| 16:49.52 | PersianElfster | delevopers? you? |
| 16:49.54 | mickeyl | i'm still employed by OM, so you can't expect me to criticize them too much |
| 16:50.14 | thos | mickeyl: say, "jack Sparrow" :-) |
| 16:50.29 | PersianElfster | mickey1: well you donp |
| 16:50.42 | PersianElfster | don't want to critize your employer =P* |
| 16:51.52 | Writchie | mickeyl: OK, so who is it (if anybody) in OM/FIC that wants to make lots of $$$ |
| 16:52.04 | thos | Writchie: everyone? |
| 16:52.13 | Writchie | thos: unfortuantely, not true |
| 16:52.14 | flexd | Writchie: that has to be the most stupid quest i've EVER heard...?? |
| 16:52.23 | flexd | question* |
| 16:52.33 | thos | Writchie: or do you mean, who wants OpenMoko to make $$$? |
| 16:53.03 | PersianElfster | thos: i think he is saying people who are employed by OpenMoko |
| 16:53.04 | Writchie | OM, at least up to know, has been more philosophically driven than $ drive. |
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| 16:53.25 | Writchie | s/know/now/ |
| 16:53.42 | ScaredyCat | all your $$$ are belong to me |
| 16:54.29 | PersianElfster | its cat. lol |
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| 16:55.20 | kyz | hi |
| 16:56.10 | mickeyl | Writchie: you're right |
| 16:56.14 | mickeyl | I'm afraid this has to change a bit |
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| 16:56.47 | mickeyl | OM will be more driven by staying in business than it was before. The FOSS voice inside OM will try to keep this on a healthy balance though... |
| 16:56.50 | mickeyl | _try_ |
| 16:57.57 | PersianElfster | once you get mass marketed you should be okay, just make sure you always keep OpenMoko open source |
| 16:58.17 | mickeyl | that's a given |
| 16:58.26 | mickeyl | but given the popularity of OM, gta01 sold lousy |
| 16:58.41 | mickeyl | I'm 100% sure gta02 will sell much better though |
| 16:58.44 | mickeyl | to the same audienc |
| 16:58.45 | mickeyl | e |
| 16:58.50 | mickeyl | but marketing things different... |
| 16:59.01 | PersianElfster | well, possibily cause most people don't know how to work debug boards and program as well |
| 16:59.15 | SpeedEvil | Well - part of that problem is the lack of focus on basic issues - a basic working phone would have increased sales lots. |
| 16:59.19 | SpeedEvil | IMO |
| 16:59.20 | orospakr | holy crap, I just managed to get a call through to my neo! |
| 16:59.26 | Writchie | ditto |
| 16:59.37 | SpeedEvil | Over those that are willing to buy an unfunctional dev-board. |
| 16:59.57 | mickeyl | SpeedEvil: i agree. from that point, gta01 should have not been on sale |
| 17:00.04 | mmontour | mickeyl: lots of GTA01 customers were scared off by having to click through all of the "YES_I_DO_REALLY_WANT_IT" warnings. :) |
| 17:00.05 | mickeyl | in June |
| 17:00.06 | mickeyl | but now |
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| 17:00.19 | orospakr | mickeyl, the hardware is still broken. |
| 17:00.27 | balrog-kun | Writchie: there were some patches adapting gsmd to multiple DLCs on the list already, they looked ok to me |
| 17:00.29 | orospakr | namely, the GSM 850 breakage. |
| 17:00.33 | orospakr | and the 3G sim breakage. |
| 17:00.40 | mickeyl | orospakr: 3g is software |
| 17:00.45 | orospakr | yeah, I know. |
| 17:00.45 | mickeyl | gsm 850 is major hw design fuckup |
| 17:00.52 | orospakr | but not user flashable. |
| 17:00.53 | PersianElfster | basically |
| 17:00.54 | mickeyl | impossible to fix easily |
| 17:01.04 | orospakr | mickeyl, as in, even hacking the GSM firmware won't do it? |
| 17:01.04 | u_l-lap | meh I get 1900 in the blue ridge mountains |
| 17:01.12 | balrog-kun | Writchie: although i agree that the kernel multiplexer submitted to gsmd-devel wouldn't be reusable on the Neo1973 |
| 17:01.13 | Writchie | mickeyl: yes 850 was a screw the pooch |
| 17:01.18 | u_l-lap | I dunno about you but if the phone works while hiking 50 miles from the nearest town ... |
| 17:01.19 | SpeedEvil | Crofton|home: no |
| 17:01.29 | SpeedEvil | cros: it needs hardware changes to do 850 |
| 17:01.35 | balrog-kun | Writchie: but i think there are more parties working on the kernel-side muxing |
| 17:01.37 | PersianElfster | u-lap: america is 1900 |
| 17:01.40 | SpeedEvil | cros: which probably can't be done in the field |
| 17:01.46 | mickeyl | massive hardware changes + new CE |
| 17:01.47 | orospakr | I'm in Canada |
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| 17:01.52 | mickeyl | s/CE/FCC/ |
| 17:01.58 | orospakr | but yes, 1900 is much more important in the city, where I live. |
| 17:02.14 | balrog-kun | Writchie: are you following the api sketched by harald? |
| 17:02.20 | SpeedEvil | mickeyl: I was meaning for a 3 band phone with 850 - which according to roh isn't hard |
| 17:02.28 | Writchie | balrog-kun: what api? |
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| 17:02.45 | mickeyl | SpeedEvil: yes, for a new phone. |
| 17:02.49 | orospakr | yeah, the departure of Harald bothers me a bit. |
| 17:03.02 | balrog-kun | Writchie: that in his ts0710 patch from the openmoko kernel patchset |
| 17:03.42 | mickeyl | SpeedEvil: i doubt it is economically doable on an existing one |
| 17:03.42 | mickeyl | think about the costs |
| 17:03.42 | SpeedEvil | mickeyl: alledgedly it's a simple filter change - just put a different one on the board |
| 17:03.42 | mmp | Hello, anyone knows about what happened to pipermail on lists.openmoko.org ? |
| 17:03.43 | mickeyl | SpeedEvil: FCC cert. alone will take long and eat money |
| 17:03.43 | mmp | the pages were last generated at 20.11. |
| 17:03.43 | SpeedEvil | I know about the costs - I don't know how hard taking the can off the GSM bit is. yeah. |
| 17:03.43 | balrog-kun | Writchie: he made a quite nice generic api for mlutiplexers, it just had no implementation |
| 17:03.43 | SpeedEvil | costs per item rather |
| 17:03.43 | SpeedEvil | not FCC |
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| 17:04.20 | Writchie | balrog-kun: if its what it's the gsmmux directory - that was an implementation - just a placeholder pretty much |
| 17:04.52 | balrog-kun | Writchie: yeah, do you follow that api? |
| 17:04.56 | Writchie | someone submitted an implementation, but it didn't at all match the calypso. |
| 17:05.14 | orospakr | what's the default ssh user on the images? |
| 17:05.35 | orospakr | ah, root/moko |
| 17:05.42 | Writchie | balrog-kun: i didn't like the idea of a line discpline that can only have one instance. |
| 17:05.59 | balrog-kun | the submitted implementation didn't use any of the stuff from the laf0rge's patch as far as i looked at it |
| 17:06.10 | orospakr | where's the gsm log? |
| 17:06.13 | balrog-kun | the one with gsmmux directory |
| 17:06.18 | orospakr | if there is one by default? |
| 17:06.26 | mickeyl | orospakr: /tmp/gsm.log |
| 17:06.34 | Writchie | balrog-kun: so my version can be attached to any tty to great a mux |
| 17:06.44 | Writchie | it also provides N tty ports. |
| 17:06.56 | Writchie | and an ioctl assigned mux ports to tty's. |
| 17:06.59 | balrog-kun | Writchie: laf0rge's patch doesn't restrict the number of instances, quite the opposite |
| 17:07.56 | flexd | who should i talk to if im having trouble with qemu? |
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| 17:08.15 | balrog-kun | Writchie: ok, it sounds like your implementaiton is based ont he same ideas as main (which was implementing harald's stub just slightly changed) |
| 17:08.46 | Writchie | main? |
| 17:08.56 | balrog-kun | *mine |
| 17:09.06 | thos | balrog-kun! |
| 17:09.22 | Writchie | i wan't to be able to support both ends at the same time for testing and for operation |
| 17:09.54 | balrog-kun | it is not finished and it's good that someone has a more complete implementation since it doesn't look like i will ha ve time to continue hacking it anytime soon |
| 17:10.01 | balrog-kun | hey thos |
| 17:10.13 | thos | balrog-kun: I can't get your gsmd to work :-( |
| 17:10.40 | balrog-kun | thos: what's with it? |
| 17:10.56 | thos | balrog-kun: it just hangs after loading plugins |
| 17:11.10 | balrog-kun | thos: :/ |
| 17:11.11 | thos | balrog-kun: normal gsmd works, but it can't work out "\nOK" |
| 17:11.19 | thos | balrog-kun: so it assumes modem is dead |
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| 17:12.27 | balrog-kun | thos: is this \nOK malformed or something? |
| 17:12.31 | balrog-kun | thos: a recent OE build may be better now |
| 17:12.45 | thos | balrog-kun: are there still some patches in OE? |
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| 17:13.32 | balrog-kun | thos: i don't know, i think it's using a more recent svn snapshot |
| 17:13.43 | balrog-kun | i have no way to check now |
| 17:13.45 | thos | balrog-kun: i'm running straight from svn |
| 17:15.11 | balrog-kun | thos: what's in OE, probably works :) |
| 17:15.24 | balrog-kun | and the git should also work, it worked for me last time |
| 17:15.29 | thos | yeah me too |
| 17:15.32 | thos | dunno why it's not now |
| 17:15.40 | PersianElfster | hmm |
| 17:15.42 | balrog-kun | thos: are you running the git or the svn? |
| 17:15.51 | thos | balrog-kun: I tried both |
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| 17:17.51 | balrog-kun | thos: did you update u-boot or something? (assuming it's on PC) |
| 17:18.05 | thos | balrog-kun: i'm using the netcat hack |
| 17:18.11 | thos | balrog-kun: and your pty app |
| 17:18.22 | balrog-kun | thos: ah ok, this is supposed to work |
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| 17:21.03 | balrog-kun | thos: i'll be online in the evening, i hope it starts behaving |
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| 17:21.35 | thos | balrog-kun: ok |
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| 17:23.42 | mickeyl | !ombug 1021 |
| 17:23.43 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 1021, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 17:23.44 | cdbot2 | * * yoyo(AT)ghost.pl: xserver-kdrive |
| 17:23.45 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1021 |
| 17:23.45 | mickeyl | zecke|flu: get well soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:24.32 | PersianElfster | =/ |
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| 17:44.45 | Funny288 | WRAARRRR!!! I'm the Tomato Monstahhhhh! WRAARRRR!!! |
| 17:44.47 | Funny288 | WRAARRRR!!! I has the Cookies Tooo! WRAARRRR!!! |
| 17:44.49 | Funny288 | WRAARRRR!!! I'm the Tomato Monstahhhhh! WRAARRRR!!! |
| 17:44.55 | *** part/#openmoko Funny288 (n=sk`LiNkz@195.117.171.7) |
| 17:46.45 | CoreDump | right |
| 17:47.26 | Stephmw | times like this you wish there were ops around :) |
| 17:47.52 | PersianE|away | it was kinda random |
| 17:47.54 | CoreDump | well, he left on his own ;) |
| 17:48.54 | Stephmw | ban his w'ole subnet, that'll learn 'im |
| 17:49.40 | Stephmw | PersianE|away: you want spread, not rapid-fire |
| 17:50.52 | PersianElfster | possibly, but it will still get the job done =P |
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| 17:55.50 | CVirus | In wireless networks .. can I get to see all the packets travelling through a certain access point using wireshark ? |
| 17:56.14 | CVirus | I mean the only the access point I'm associated with or all the others as well ? |
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| 17:58.15 | yoyo | hi all |
| 17:58.50 | CVirus | hello |
| 17:59.20 | bedboi | CVirus: you can do that with tcpdump |
| 17:59.56 | CVirus | bedboi: get the traffic passing through all the access points ? |
| 17:59.56 | bedboi | you can sniff all unencrypted frames putting your wifi card in monitor mode |
| 18:00.17 | bedboi | normally: iwconfig wlan0 mode monitor |
| 18:00.23 | CVirus | I see |
| 18:00.24 | bedboi | tcpdump -i wlan0 -n -X |
| 18:00.33 | bedboi | you will see beacons flying too |
| 18:00.41 | CVirus | beacons ? |
| 18:00.51 | bedboi | they are magic packets :) |
| 18:00.59 | CVirus | what do they contain ? |
| 18:01.07 | ckuethe | frames from the AP that advertise the presence of a wireless net |
| 18:01.08 | bedboi | it's the AP that screams "HEY I'M HERE" |
| 18:01.15 | CVirus | ah |
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| 18:02.57 | CVirus | HeXane cvirus # iwconfig eth1 mode monitor |
| 18:02.57 | CVirus | Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : |
| 18:02.57 | CVirus | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.21 | CVirus | do I have to take dhcp lease first ? |
| 18:04.09 | CVirus | bedboi: apart from this ... will I be able to see all the traffic of all the access points in the network ? |
| 18:04.13 | torpor | yo |
| 18:04.17 | CVirus | bedboi: or only the one I'm associated with ? |
| 18:05.14 | CVirus | brb |
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| 18:07.14 | CVirus | bedboi: so ? |
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| 18:08.46 | bestie62 | WRAARRRR!!! I'm the Tomato Monstahhhhh! WRAARRRR!!! |
| 18:08.50 | bestie62 | WRAARRRR!!! I has the Cookies Tooo! WRAARRRR!!! |
| 18:08.58 | bestie62 | WRAARRRR!!! I'm the Tomato Monstahhhhh! WRAARRRR!!! |
| 18:09.08 | *** part/#openmoko bestie62 (n=weeg@121.22.20.202) |
| 18:09.11 | CM | Hm.. Is this some kind of epidemic? |
| 18:09.37 | xkr47 | irc bot spammer epidemics are not too untypical unfortunately |
| 18:10.00 | *** part/#openmoko zedstar (n=john@sr-fw1.router.uk.clara.net) |
| 18:11.04 | gamin | the first one was from china and the second from poland confirming to whois of the ip |
| 18:11.58 | gamin | maybe al kidda is waking up the sleepers ;) |
| 18:12.12 | CVirus | al kidda ? |
| 18:12.49 | CVirus | I'm Egyptian by the way :-D |
| 18:13.03 | CM | hehe |
| 18:13.21 | CVirus | living in Egypt |
| 18:13.23 | CVirus | fear me then :-p |
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| 18:14.18 | Schmidt | np: Einstürzende Neubauten - Sabrina |
| 18:14.21 | Schmidt | sorry |
| 18:14.40 | CM | Not a song to be embarrassed over ;) |
| 18:14.43 | xkr47 | ;) |
| 18:14.46 | Schmidt | =) |
| 18:14.54 | Schmidt | wanted /n and did /np |
| 18:15.03 | CM | Worse if it had been Sabrina - Boys boys boys or something like that.. :P |
| 18:15.11 | Schmidt | neubauten are coming to town in april :) |
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| 18:20.12 | rbs-tito | Would anyone here find any use for an Nvidia 6600GT ? |
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| 18:25.09 | edistar | rbs-tito: what do you mean? |
| 18:27.33 | rbs-tito | edistar: I've got a spare one and don't know what to do with it |
| 18:27.50 | edistar | rbs-tito: where do you live? |
| 18:28.07 | rbs-tito | edistar: The United Kingdom |
| 18:28.15 | edistar | I live in NL :( |
| 18:35.39 | gi-el | WHATS SO SAD ABOUT THAT! |
| 18:35.40 | gi-el | :) |
| 18:36.12 | edistar | gi-el: that he can't send me the card easily ;) |
| 18:36.19 | edistar | gi-el: I quite like nl otherwise |
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| 18:39.37 | gi-el | edistar: okay :) |
| 18:39.55 | edistar | gi-el: where do you come from in nl? |
| 18:41.07 | CIA-14 | 03chris * r3479 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (9 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 18:41.07 | CIA-14 | * src/phone-kit/Makefile.am: |
| 18:41.07 | CIA-14 | * src/phone-kit/dialer-main.c: (main): |
| 18:41.07 | CIA-14 | * src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-dbus.xml: |
| 18:41.07 | CIA-14 | * src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-sms-dbus.xml: |
| 18:41.11 | CIA-14 | * src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-sms.c: |
| 18:41.13 | CIA-14 | * src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-sms.h: |
| 18:41.20 | gi-el | edistar: i always find that a hard question, i live in eindhoven now, but i don't consider myself "coming from" eindhoven |
| 18:41.37 | gi-el | edistar: i've lived in amsterdam for 8 years, that's a much better city, i'm still there quite often |
| 18:41.48 | edistar | gi-el: ok, I live in Nijmegen, my sister is now in amsterdam |
| 18:41.53 | gi-el | edistar: originally i'm from around alkmaar |
| 18:42.31 | CIA-14 | 03chris * r3480 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (ChangeLog src/sms-compose.c src/sms-main.c): |
| 18:42.31 | CIA-14 | * src/sms-compose.c: (send_clicked_cb): |
| 18:42.31 | CIA-14 | * src/sms-main.c: (main): |
| 18:42.31 | CIA-14 | Adjust due to phone-kit changes |
| 18:42.46 | aloril | roh: md5sum http://people.openmoko.org/roh/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+gitf34024d4a328e6edd906456da98d2c537155c4f7+svn2943-r1.bin and http://people.openmoko.org/roh/md5sums disagree here |
| 18:43.40 | CM | aloril: Hey there, we've missed your faq? trigger ;) |
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| 18:53.23 | CIA-14 | 03chris * r3481 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog configure.ac src/dialer/moko-history.c): |
| 18:53.23 | CIA-14 | * configure.ac: |
| 18:53.23 | CIA-14 | Replace libmokogsmd2 with libgsmd |
| 18:53.23 | CIA-14 | * src/dialer/moko-history.c: |
| 18:53.24 | CIA-14 | Remove unnecessary include |
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| 18:56.06 | roh | aloril oh.. that could be.. |
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| 18:56.46 | roh | aloril i did not update that file quite some time |
| 18:57.25 | aloril | name is in it, sum just is wrong |
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| 19:08.22 | Flyser | hi, I couldn't find a note about the official neo1973 release ... when will the first consumers be able to buy the phone with a solid firmware |
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| 19:09.26 | torpor | Flyser: read the topic |
| 19:10.02 | abraxa_ | Flyser: The device itself should be available relatively soon, however the software still needs a fair bit of work |
| 19:10.25 | edistar | abraxa_: I hope it is _soon_ not april or so.. |
| 19:10.28 | abraxa_ | My personal guess is Q2/Q3 '08 if it matters any :) |
| 19:10.48 | SpeedEvil | That doesn't sound silly abraxa_. |
| 19:11.16 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: Glad you agree :) |
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| 19:11.21 | edistar | :( |
| 19:11.42 | abraxa_ | edistar: I was talking about the software |
| 19:11.46 | edistar | abraxa_: ah, ok |
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| 19:11.54 | SpeedEvil | I'd love to disagree, but don't think I can in the right direction. |
| 19:11.59 | edistar | abraxa_: luckily, I don't mind about the software, just want to have some hardware :P |
| 19:12.21 | SpeedEvil | well - it depends what you mean by firmware. |
| 19:12.29 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: You enjoy disagreeing? |
| 19:12.36 | SpeedEvil | if you mean the core drivers and u-boot. |
| 19:12.58 | SpeedEvil | abraxa_: I mean that it'd be nice if I thought you were wrong and the software was ready next month. |
| 19:13.14 | Flyser | yap thought this too |
| 19:13.21 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: Oh, in that sense - yeah, I agree that I wish you could disagree ;) |
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| 19:36.00 | Stephmw | evenin' |
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| 19:36.53 | Rodolphe12 | hi |
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| 19:44.34 | haakeyar | So the software will be quite unready when GTA02 comes out (December/January?)? Do you think it will be too unready to be usable as an everyday phone? |
| 19:44.47 | Rodolphe12 | probably |
| 19:45.20 | haakeyar | :( I'm currently using Nokia 3310, and I'm hoping to be able to switch to GTA02 as soon as it is released. |
| 19:45.27 | Rodolphe12 | unless "everyday phone" == "C programming everyday phone" for you... :) |
| 19:46.08 | Rodolphe12 | but my guess is that it should stabilize pretty soon afterwards (i am not affiliated to OpenMoko, so I can be optimistic and say it) |
| 19:46.20 | edistar | haakeyar: it may be possible to phone with it.. |
| 19:46.47 | edistar | haakeyar: sms is just being worked on, just started so I think that won't be stable soon |
| 19:47.46 | haakeyar | Hm... But qtopia will be stable enough when GTA02 is out to be used in the meantime? |
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| 19:48.23 | edistar | haakeyar: this is #openmoko.. but I think OM and gtopia will work as simple "phones" in january.. |
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| 19:48.48 | Rodolphe12 | haakeyar: i second edistar |
| 19:49.12 | SpeedEvil | Me too - however, the 3310 will remain the better phone for some time |
| 19:49.26 | teprrr | a couple of weeks ago gta01+qtopia worked jsut fine, at least for calls and bt sends and stuff like that |
| 19:49.28 | edistar | longer battery time.. eg ;) |
| 19:49.35 | teprrr | didn't test if the smses did work though |
| 19:49.35 | SpeedEvil | edistar: just a tad :) |
| 19:50.00 | Rodolphe12 | it's Symbian based? |
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| 19:50.09 | haakeyar | 3310? |
| 19:50.12 | Rodolphe12 | yes |
| 19:51.05 | haakeyar | Hehe, no. My old phone died, so I got the 3310 from my grandfather (he has bought a new one). :P It's very old. |
| 19:51.21 | edistar | heh, its the really old, standard nokia phone ;) |
| 19:51.35 | haakeyar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_3310 |
| 19:51.55 | edistar | would like to see symbian on there :P |
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| 19:52.34 | SpeedEvil | I wish the TI chipset was as low power as the nokia one. |
| 19:52.50 | mmp | edistar: I would rather not, it has performance problems even when writing SMS with T9 enabled :) |
| 19:52.56 | homyx | Hello all |
| 19:52.56 | haakeyar | edistar, yeah, or a port of openmoko :P |
| 19:53.33 | edistar | haakeyar: yeah, will you port? |
| 19:53.34 | edistar | :P |
| 19:54.20 | homyx | CM: are you around here? |
| 19:54.46 | Rodolphe12 | ok, I see :-D |
| 19:58.45 | Rodolphe12 | anyone knows gtk-doc? (the new documentation system used in OM2007.2 apparently)? |
| 19:58.58 | haakeyar | edistar: Yeah, just have to teach myself some C first. The most low-level stuff I've done is probably some C# (when I was back on windows) :P. |
| 19:59.04 | edistar | ok |
| 19:59.07 | edistar | haakeyar: good luck |
| 19:59.18 | edistar | assembler is maybe more effective on that nokia ;) |
| 19:59.38 | CM | homyx: Only sometimes ;) |
| 20:00.03 | homyx | CM: hey, thanks - sometimes :) |
| 20:00.51 | homyx | CM: Do you have a couple of minutes? I habe a problem with mtdblock1... |
| 20:01.02 | CM | Just a sec, gf on the phone.. |
| 20:01.18 | homyx | CM: :) |
| 20:01.39 | haakeyar | edistar: Yeah, just a little more low-level than C. I could do that... |
| 20:01.58 | haakeyar | :P |
| 20:02.07 | edistar | okey ;) |
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| 20:02.44 | CM | homyx: So, what was the problem? |
| 20:03.24 | homyx | CM: I cant connect with cu to /dev/ttyACM0 --- dfu works |
| 20:03.32 | CM | Ok, same as me then |
| 20:03.46 | homyx | CM: yes I guess :) |
| 20:04.32 | homyx | CM: The wiki "Bricked" says that "dont copy mtdblock1" from another to yours... |
| 20:04.58 | CM | And when you hold in aux when you boot you don't get a menu? |
| 20:05.03 | homyx | CM: but didn't you tried this on Aug 13th? |
| 20:05.07 | homyx | CM: |
| 20:05.11 | homyx | yes |
| 20:05.40 | homyx | Well I get a menu (sorry) and I can boot by Factory reset... |
| 20:06.12 | homyx | CM: My problem is: how to edit mtdblock to get the splashscreen again? |
| 20:06.45 | CM | homyx: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=765 |
| 20:07.06 | CM | Harald shows it there |
| 20:07.13 | CM | But you need to be able to cu in |
| 20:07.32 | homyx | CM: yes, would be nice... |
| 20:07.38 | CM | I haven't yet, since I don't know of any reliable uboot from after october 15th |
| 20:07.55 | homyx | CM: also just to fix it :) |
| 20:10.37 | CM | homyx: Sorry, damn phone keeps ringing |
| 20:10.52 | CM | homyx: What menu do you get on aux boot? |
| 20:11.02 | CM | Do you have the usb serial option? |
| 20:11.27 | homyx | CM: no problem thanks; I get a shortend one, only two lines "boot" and "factory reset" |
| 20:11.34 | CM | Ah, ok |
| 20:11.36 | CM | Same as me then |
| 20:11.40 | CM | I get that one too |
| 20:11.43 | homyx | CM: no serial option :| |
| 20:11.59 | homyx | CM: Have you been able to fix it? |
| 20:12.04 | CM | Nope |
| 20:12.14 | CM | We need a good uboot from after october 15th |
| 20:12.24 | homyx | CM: ah ok. |
| 20:12.58 | CM | Since harald added usb serial as default at that time |
| 20:13.41 | homyx | CM: Is that all? I thought I had a newer one?! I'll try :) |
| 20:13.51 | CM | You have a debug board? |
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| 20:14.54 | homyx | CM: yes ynezz sent it to me :) |
| 20:15.02 | CM | Aha, then please try |
| 20:15.20 | CM | And if you find a working uboot let me know |
| 20:15.40 | homyx | CM: I checked, I haven't had such a new u-boot. |
| 20:15.55 | homyx | CM: I will try to find one and report :) |
| 20:16.15 | CM | Cool |
| 20:16.27 | CM | I'm just worried about bricking mine completely |
| 20:16.36 | CM | Since I don't have any debug board near by |
| 20:16.55 | homyx | CM: I know, I bricked mine totally wo debug board ... |
| 20:17.05 | homyx | CM: was a bad time :) |
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| 20:18.45 | balrog-kun | homyx: how did you resolve it later? |
| 20:19.12 | homyx | balrog-kun: still working on it :) |
| 20:19.46 | balrog-kun | homyx: is there a hope for fixing it without the debug board? |
| 20:20.30 | homyx | balrog-kun: not sure. I am a real newbie on that... |
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| 20:21.17 | balrog-kun | okies |
| 20:21.51 | homyx | flashing started ... |
| 20:23.40 | homyx | :| I flashed a uboot from Nov 10 but still get the "2line" console... |
| 20:25.01 | CM | homyx: that's ok |
| 20:25.14 | CM | Try cu |
| 20:25.17 | homyx | but cu doesn't work... |
| 20:25.57 | CM | Still not? Hmm.. :/ |
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| 20:26.36 | CM | Comment 7 in that bug says it should be on by default |
| 20:26.40 | mmontour | homyx: what was the svn revision for your uboot? (must be >= 3164 for the usbtty default) |
| 20:26.58 | CM | mmontour: Ah, good catch. The src_revs... |
| 20:26.58 | homyx | nope :/ and still don't boot wo "factory reset" |
| 20:28.03 | homyx | mmontour: good point -- svn2943 |
| 20:28.23 | CoreDump | I have a known-good u-boot from 20070917 if you want it |
| 20:28.47 | homyx | mmontour: its homebrewn --- where can I get one > 3164 ? |
| 20:29.00 | homyx | CoreDump: :) |
| 20:30.20 | CM | CoreDump: A dev uboot later than october 15th (rev 3164) is needed |
| 20:30.39 | CoreDump | for what exactly? |
| 20:31.18 | CM | To get usb serial by default |
| 20:31.24 | CM | Even with a broken uboot_env |
| 20:31.41 | CM | see comment 7 on bug 765 |
| 20:31.42 | homyx | CoreDump: an uboot for GTA01v4 or did I miss s.th. |
| 20:32.07 | mmontour | homyx: you might have to build it yourself by hand. Mine is only at svn3147. |
| 20:32.42 | mmontour | More precisely, it's "u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+gitf34024d4a328e6edd906456da98d2c537155c4f7+svn3147-r1.bin" |
| 20:32.43 | CoreDump | well, if you have the debug board you could JTAG a new u-boot env |
| 20:32.50 | CoreDump | or edit it manually? |
| 20:33.15 | homyx | where can I get "u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+gitf34024d4a328e6edd906456da98d2c537155c4f7+svn3147-r1.bin" |
| 20:33.23 | homyx | my build env is broken... |
| 20:34.02 | mmontour | homyx: I could upload it for you, but it's still too old to have the usb-serial default that you want. |
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| 20:34.08 | homyx | CoreDump: how to edit it manually? sorry I'm new to that. Is there a wiki? |
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| 20:35.01 | CoreDump | u-boot is well documented on its project homepage |
| 20:35.18 | CoreDump | if you can access the u-boot console, the env is fixable |
| 20:36.05 | homyx | CoreDump: yes, but no ttyACM0 :( |
| 20:36.32 | CoreDump | what's wrong w/ the u-boot from buildhost? |
| 20:36.43 | CoreDump | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+git8993e54b6f397973794f3d6f47d3b3c0c98dd4f6+svn20070821-r0.bin |
| 20:37.42 | homyx | CoreDump: I'll try this ^^^ :) |
| 20:38.34 | CoreDump | umm wait, it's even older than my uboot... |
| 20:39.19 | homyx | CoreDump: Is it new enough? 20070821 |
| 20:39.35 | CoreDump | No |
| 20:39.56 | edistar | homyx: the name tells you, its from 21st august.. |
| 20:40.41 | homyx | edistar: thats what I meant ;) I thought I should use > october 15th (rev 3164) |
| 20:40.59 | CoreDump | ok, as this is obviously a common problem, why on earth isn't there a recent pre-compiled u-boot available? |
| 20:41.14 | edistar | homyx: ok ;) |
| 20:41.17 | tuukkah | if you can flash a new u-boot you can flash a new uboot-env |
| 20:41.23 | balrog-kun | CoreDump: i was wondering the same thing |
| 20:41.33 | edistar | CoreDump: scaredycat has some |
| 20:41.47 | balrog-kun | CoreDump: they were on buildhost new images every couple of days and suddenly were removed |
| 20:41.57 | homyx | sorry I think I really missed s.th |
| 20:42.03 | CoreDump | is no one here with a working build env? |
| 20:42.04 | CM | They have been broken a long time |
| 20:42.11 | mmontour | CoreDump: I think part of the problem is that there are other un-fixed bugs in newer uboots |
| 20:42.14 | CM | And no one is maintaining it properly it seems |
| 20:42.25 | edistar | buildhost.automated.it doesn't have a working u-boot?? |
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| 20:42.33 | CoreDump | CM: but the "default env" patch should be back-portable to a known-good version |
| 20:42.46 | homyx | whats the difference between u-boot ? uboot-env sorry :S |
| 20:42.48 | CM | True |
| 20:43.12 | CM | homyx: uboot_env includes the uboot menu, and a bad block table |
| 20:43.13 | balrog-kun | homyx: u-boot env is where u-boot's settings are stored |
| 20:43.30 | CM | balrog-kun: the bb table is the imprtant thing.. |
| 20:43.30 | CoreDump | homyx: u-boot is runtime-configured via environment variables, the "u-boot env" |
| 20:43.40 | homyx | balrog-kun: so partition 0 in mtd? |
| 20:43.46 | CM | And that's why you can't flash someone elses uboot_env |
| 20:43.56 | CM | Because each bb is unique |
| 20:44.02 | balrog-kun | CM: i though bb tables is in the two last sectors before the flash end? |
| 20:44.16 | homyx | CM: ok I get this it's also on the "Bricked" page?! |
| 20:44.20 | tuukkah | bb table is not in the uboot-env - the partition map is |
| 20:44.39 | balrog-kun | tuukkah: right |
| 20:44.50 | CM | balrog-kun: I thought so too, but someone told me it was in the uboot:env |
| 20:44.54 | CM | And could be rebuilt |
| 20:45.13 | mmontour | For this problem the partition map doesn't matter - all homyx needs is an environment with the usbtty settings. So maybe flashing someone else's env would work. |
| 20:45.17 | tuukkah | well the partition map can be rebuilt with a uboot command |
| 20:45.23 | balrog-kun | CM: hmm ok, but i'm not convinced :) |
| 20:45.42 | tuukkah | mmontour, exactly |
| 20:45.55 | homyx | *: any suggestions? |
| 20:46.31 | homyx | uboot-env == mtd1: 00004000 00004000 "u-boot_env" ??? |
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| 20:46.57 | homyx | mmontour:^^^^ |
| 20:47.37 | mmontour | Yes, that's the environment-variable partition. |
| 20:47.56 | mmontour | wait... |
| 20:48.00 | homyx | mmontour: thats what I tried/thought to false |
| 20:48.10 | homyx | mmontour: of course :) |
| 20:48.29 | homyx | typo ^^^ flash ^^^^ |
| 20:49.04 | tuukkah | homyx, and what did you flash there? |
| 20:49.12 | homyx | uboot?! |
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| 20:49.28 | tuukkah | you shouldn't flash uboot there |
| 20:50.14 | ScaredyCat | wtf - |
| 20:50.16 | balrog-kun | the good news is that it's not fatal if you do :) |
| 20:50.23 | balrog-kun | so it doesn't qualify as bricked |
| 20:50.25 | balrog-kun | (usually) |
| 20:50.34 | edistar | :P |
| 20:50.40 | homyx | balrog-kun: well it boots :) |
| 20:51.26 | mmontour | OK, I've uploaded my env partition to http://members.shaw.ca/mmontour/mm_env |
| 20:51.44 | homyx | ScaredyCat: hi. do you mean ...good for sd ... |
| 20:51.53 | ScaredyCat | yes... |
| 20:52.36 | ScaredyCat | the one that says 'good for sd boot' |
| 20:52.43 | homyx | ScaredyCat: I already flashed it... And I can do it again. But I don't get /dev/ttyACM0 working |
| 20:52.49 | ScaredyCat | is actually, good for booting from sd |
| 20:53.16 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/u-boot-good-for-sd-boot-r13_0_2632_0.bin |
| 20:53.17 | flexd | Anyone here got experience with qemu? |
| 20:53.42 | ScaredyCat | mmm... it works for me homyx... |
| 20:54.01 | balrog-kun | flexd: and more concretely? |
| 20:54.02 | ScaredyCat | do you need to modprobe the cdc stuff manually ? |
| 20:54.24 | tuukkah | homyx, you need a proper u-boot in the u-boot partition and a proper u-boot_env in the the u-boot_env partition. are you sure you have those now? |
| 20:55.18 | homyx | So, I flashed u-boot-good-for .... in mtd1 |
| 20:55.35 | balrog-kun | actually u-boot_env can probably be copied from a qemu flash image |
| 20:55.42 | homyx | not sure about these u-boot_env in the the u-boot_env |
| 20:55.59 | flexd | balrog-kun: /home/kristoffer/moko/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/audio/audio.c:1917: fatal error: opening dependency file audio/audio.d: No such file or directory |
| 20:56.02 | flexd | compilation terminated. |
| 20:56.05 | flexd | kaboom. |
| 20:56.07 | flexd | :( |
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| 20:56.21 | flexd | i've tried all sort of make update && make setup stuff |
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| 20:56.27 | flexd | that i can think of from the wiki |
| 20:56.40 | flexd | i have no idea what audio.d is, or rather, why it's not there |
| 20:57.05 | balrog-kun | flexd: i aslo have no idea why it's not there but an empty audio/audio.d will be enough |
| 20:57.14 | balrog-kun | i.e. "touch audio/audio.d" |
| 20:58.02 | homyx | ScaredyCat: what should I modprobe? cdc_ether and cdc_acm is up |
| 20:58.31 | flexd | balrog-kun: doesnt seem to work :/ |
| 20:58.36 | homyx | ScaredyCat: I can also use ssh to get into ... |
| 20:58.44 | balrog-kun | flexd: same error? |
| 20:59.14 | flexd | yes |
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| 20:59.26 | flexd | Not sure i made audio/audio.d in the right folder though |
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| 20:59.44 | tuukkah | homyx, sd boot won't work if you hosed the u-boot_env |
| 20:59.47 | balrog-kun | flexd: it should sit in the same directory where audio.c is |
| 21:00.12 | flexd | well im in the folder |
| 21:00.12 | balrog-kun | flexd: the *.d stuff was introduced recently upstream and there haven't been any problems reported with it yet |
| 21:00.23 | flexd | i made the file audio.d *and* the folder audio with audio.d inside it |
| 21:00.28 | flexd | still same error |
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| 21:00.44 | homyx | tuukkah: how can Ifix u-boot_env ? |
| 21:01.07 | tuukkah | homyx, mmontour gave you a link to his u-boot_env. flash that to the next partition |
| 21:01.09 | ScaredyCat | hrrm |
| 21:01.35 | balrog-kun | flexd: are you using MokoMakefile? |
| 21:01.45 | flexd | balrog-kun: uhm... i think so |
| 21:01.57 | flexd | all im typing is make qemu |
| 21:02.43 | mwester-laptop | Flashing a new u-boot environment will lose the bad-block info for the flash, IIRC. |
| 21:02.43 | flexd | (i followed the qemu guide on the wiki) |
| 21:02.43 | balrog-kun | maybe it's some paths trickery from MokoMakefile |
| 21:02.44 | homyx | tuukkah: really sorry again. to -a 0 -R -D ??? |
| 21:02.44 | tuukkah | mwester-laptop, but it was possible to recreate in uboot, right? |
| 21:02.44 | balrog-kun | flexd: yes, make qemu is a MokoMakefile target |
| 21:02.51 | flexd | maybe i should edit the makefile? |
| 21:02.58 | flexd | and search for audio.d, and see |
| 21:03.04 | tuukkah | homyx, i'm not sure about the numbering now... |
| 21:03.42 | homyx | tuukkah: I only have numbers available... does that help? mtd0: 00040000 00004000 "u-boot" |
| 21:03.52 | balrog-kun | homyx: i think -a 2 ? |
| 21:03.56 | tuukkah | first is u-boot, second is u-boot_env, but do we count from 0 or 1 |
| 21:04.16 | balrog-kun | tuukkah: 0 is RAM i believe |
| 21:04.24 | mmontour | homyx: use the symbolic names in dfu-util, e.g. "dfu-util -R -a uboot -D ./uboot-latest.bin" |
| 21:04.44 | balrog-kun | flexd: that's a rather difficult path |
| 21:04.48 | tuukkah | balrog-kun, right |
| 21:04.50 | homyx | tuukkah: I thought 1 uboot 3 kernel 5 rootfs ( 4 splash = |
| 21:05.10 | homyx | mmontour: the symbolic doesn't work:| |
| 21:05.12 | tuukkah | homyx, but your printout says mtd0... |
| 21:05.26 | tuukkah | homyx, in that scheme, u-boot_env is 2 |
| 21:05.27 | balrog-kun | flexd: is audio enabled? |
| 21:05.36 | flexd | balrog-kun: what do you mean? |
| 21:05.41 | flexd | I haven't changed configuration files or anything |
| 21:05.59 | mmontour | homyx: are you using an up-to-date dfu-util? The one built by MokoMakefile should work fine with the symbolic "-a" names |
| 21:06.03 | flexd | I just followed the tutorial |
| 21:06.27 | homyx | tuukkah: I used the table from : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bricked#Useful_information |
| 21:06.28 | balrog-kun | flexd: is there a line "CONFIG_ALSA=yes" in config-host.mak |
| 21:07.00 | balrog-kun | flexd: well, the tutorial redirects people to MokoMakefile tutorial, i'm not responsible for MokoMakefile (happily) |
| 21:07.14 | tuukkah | homyx, right. so mtd devices use different numbering than dfu |
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| 21:07.47 | homyx | tuukkah: ok I |
| 21:08.03 | homyx | will use uboot_env and flash it to 2 |
| 21:08.27 | tuukkah | now i don't remember the command to recreate partitions |
| 21:08.43 | balrog-kun | dynpart? |
| 21:09.14 | mmontour | dynpart to create the environment variable, dynenv to save the environment offset |
| 21:09.42 | balrog-kun | and saveenv to save the whole shebang |
| 21:10.13 | balrog-kun | but i think it doesn't erase the new u-boot_env partition, you have to erase it separately |
| 21:11.03 | tuukkah | cool, dynpart should be it |
| 21:12.34 | flexd | balrog-kun: where is config-host.bak hiding? |
| 21:12.35 | tuukkah | dynenv perhaps isn't needed as there has been a working env before |
| 21:12.44 | flexd | .mak* |
| 21:13.17 | balrog-kun | flexd: in qemu-neo1973/ |
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| 21:15.16 | flexd | do i have to make the file or does it exist already? |
| 21:16.02 | homyx | YEAH *dancing* cu works again !!! |
| 21:16.16 | balrog-kun | flexd: it should already exist if "make qemu" has ran at least once |
| 21:16.32 | homyx | I did dfu-util -a 2 -R -D /home/homyx/Desktop/mm_env |
| 21:16.38 | balrog-kun | it's generated by ./configure |
| 21:16.53 | flexd | i found it in /home/kristoffer/moko/build/qemu |
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| 21:17.27 | balrog-kun | flexd: ah ok, i forgot MokoMakefile builds qemu out-of-tree |
| 21:17.28 | flexd | it has CONFIG_OSS="yes" |
| 21:17.30 | flexd | not ALSA |
| 21:17.36 | flexd | Should i just remove it? |
| 21:17.40 | flexd | I dont need sound in a emu anyway |
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| 21:18.11 | balrog-kun | flexd: you can try and see if it works, and if it doesn't, add CONFIG_ALSA="yes" (because that's what i use and it works for me) |
| 21:18.16 | flexd | same error with it removed too :s |
| 21:18.18 | flexd | hmm k |
| 21:18.25 | tuukkah | homyx, now you could check what dynpart does |
| 21:18.37 | balrog-kun | i don't have the CONFIG_OSS="yes" line |
| 21:19.02 | flexd | balrog-kun: same error with ALSA, file is still missing :/ |
| 21:19.06 | homyx | CM: balrog-kun: mmontour: CoreDump: many many thanks!!! |
| 21:19.17 | homyx | I owe you drinks :) |
| 21:19.39 | homyx | ScaredyCat: drink++ :) |
| 21:19.44 | balrog-kun | flexd: have you had other qemu builds on that computer? |
| 21:19.58 | balrog-kun | maybe this config-host.mak comes from a differnet build |
| 21:19.59 | flexd | No |
| 21:19.59 | CoreDump | glad it worked out for yu |
| 21:20.02 | CoreDump | *you |
| 21:20.12 | flexd | I *really* dont feel like doing another 12h build |
| 21:20.29 | balrog-kun | flexd: how about "touch /home/kristoffer/moko/build/qemu/audio/audio.d" |
| 21:20.31 | homyx | tuukkah: of course also I drink for you! |
| 21:20.59 | flexd | have to make the audio folder first then :/ |
| 21:21.04 | homyx | tuukkah: of course! how can I help? |
| 21:21.05 | flexd | so i doubt it's gonna work |
| 21:21.19 | balrog-kun | flexd: yeah, actually perhaps won't work |
| 21:21.21 | mmontour | homyx: don't forget to clean up the environment for your neo before flashing anything else (dynpart, saveenv, etc.) |
| 21:21.56 | balrog-kun | flexd: i'm afraid i can't help with MokoMakefile |
| 21:22.27 | tuukkah | homyx, run dynpart on uboot console and tell us what it prints |
| 21:22.37 | flexd | balrog-kun: i'm doomed >_> |
| 21:22.46 | flexd | What other ways are there to do it? Without MokoMakeFile? |
| 21:22.49 | balrog-kun | flexd: there are instruction at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU which work (and if they don't then i'm responsible to fix them, so i would know) |
| 21:22.54 | homyx | mmontour: so I do "nand erase kernel" and "nand erase rootfs" in front of?! |
| 21:23.50 | balrog-kun | flexd: the "Using MokoMakefile" is the section i'm can't speak for |
| 21:23.55 | mmontour | I don't think that's necessary. Can you show the output of "nand bad", "dynpart", and "dynenv get"? |
| 21:24.39 | flexd | balrog-kun: how long does the manual thing take? |
| 21:25.06 | balrog-kun | flexd: 15 mins including the reading |
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| 21:26.00 | balrog-kun | well, the roootfs downloading later may take a while, it's a 40 MB download but you probably already have the image |
| 21:26.02 | homyx | output : http://pastebin.com/m4dbe8e75 |
| 21:26.15 | homyx | but please be careful |
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| 21:26.40 | flexd | a 40mb download takes me like a minute |
| 21:26.41 | flexd | so |
| 21:26.42 | flexd | :D |
| 21:26.49 | homyx | maybe some env vars are not set properly |
| 21:27.05 | balrog-kun | takes 1h for me -_- |
| 21:27.05 | homyx | shouldn 't change anything here ?! |
| 21:27.34 | tuukkah | homyx, now do the new mtdparts settings match the ones contained in the env you flashed? |
| 21:27.38 | flexd | balrog-kun: super slow net? |
| 21:28.00 | mmontour | Looks OK - same as on my Neo. |
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| 21:28.26 | balrog-kun | flexd: depends on what you compare to |
| 21:28.32 | tuukkah | so nothing scary in the end :-) |
| 21:28.41 | mmontour | You should be OK to set up your environment the way you want (menu entries, etc) then do a saveenv |
| 21:28.43 | flexd | balrog-kun: normal internet |
| 21:28.48 | flexd | I'm on 20mbit |
| 21:29.14 | tuukkah | homyx, i suppose now you can try to boot from sd if that's what you wanted to do in the first place :-) |
| 21:29.21 | balrog-kun | flexd: right |
| 21:29.31 | balrog-kun | i'm on 128kbit and i'm above normal for local standards |
| 21:29.53 | daMaestro | yikes |
| 21:29.56 | flexd | Ouch, i feel for you man :/ |
| 21:30.00 | daMaestro | i can't stand <5Mbit |
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| 21:30.38 | xcasex | me either and i'm on a cdma radiolink atm ;_; |
| 21:30.42 | homyx | tuukkah: so the line in mm_env and the output of dynpart ist the same :) (double checked :) ) |
| 21:31.16 | tuukkah | homyx, yeah so nothing changed and everything should be consistent |
| 21:31.18 | balrog-kun | there's a hypotesis that the faster link you have the more time you waste downloading stuff :) |
| 21:31.35 | homyx | tuukkah: nope, unless you want me to do :) I'm happy with this (no boot from sd actually) |
| 21:32.00 | homyx | tuukkah: yeah yeah yeah :) |
| 21:32.44 | tuukkah | homyx, ok, i just noticed some talk about booting from sd |
| 21:32.50 | homyx | tuukkah: short hist: I did a nand erase ... Now, its working again and i'm more than happy with it :) |
| 21:33.21 | homyx | tuukkah: yeah, you're right. There were some lines :) |
| 21:33.31 | tuukkah | homyx, so the nand erase wasn't the most useful thing to do ?-) |
| 21:33.32 | flexd | balrog-kun: booting now :) |
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| 21:34.12 | homyx | tuukkah: well?! no! But I really learned a lot :) |
| 21:34.24 | tuukkah | cool :-) |
| 21:35.06 | tuukkah | i was thinking of making a wiki page about partitions because the info seems to be scattered |
| 21:35.36 | homyx | tuukkah: I also try to sum all this stuff up tomorrow. |
| 21:35.51 | homyx | tuukkah: this page would be really nice :) |
| 21:36.27 | mmontour | Another wiki page that would be useful is a matrix of uboot versions vs. their bugs (introduced in X, fixed in Y) |
| 21:36.51 | borg_ | :) |
| 21:37.05 | tuukkah | mmontour, indeed |
| 21:39.02 | homyx | nice, I figured out another problem :| |
| 21:39.14 | homyx | It doesn't start out-of-the-box |
| 21:39.25 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 21:39.27 | ScaredyCat | boot? |
| 21:39.49 | homyx | I have to go to uboot and hit the boot button |
| 21:40.30 | ScaredyCat | iirc there's a race condition... |
| 21:40.48 | homyx | ScaredyCat: :) |
| 21:41.21 | homyx | I hope I can read/check more to the problem tomorrow |
| 21:41.34 | ScaredyCat | but it's a known issue with newer u-boots... |
| 21:42.06 | ScaredyCat | it only ever seems to be an issue for people like us booting from sd |
| 21:42.32 | flexd | Is there any way to speed up qemu performance? |
| 21:42.36 | flexd | It uses *ages* booting |
| 21:42.58 | homyx | my uboot version is the good-for-sd ... from yours ScaredyCat |
| 21:43.11 | homyx | ScaredyCat: is it known? |
| 21:43.16 | ScaredyCat | yes... |
| 21:43.26 | ScaredyCat | with all newer uboots |
| 21:43.35 | balrog-kun | flexd: if you were running qemu on an ARM host.. |
| 21:43.51 | flexd | balrog-kun: I dont have any of those :/ |
| 21:43.52 | homyx | ScaredyCat: ah. thats nice! thanks for the hint :) |
| 21:43.54 | balrog-kun | on x86 you can only accelerate x86 emulation |
| 21:44.15 | flexd | I have a Ipaq 3360 |
| 21:44.19 | flexd | It's ooold |
| 21:44.23 | flexd | but maybe it can run it? |
| 21:45.02 | balrog-kun | flexd: it will need like 180 MB of RAM and if it's slower than some 500 MHz it will be slower than on your PC :) |
| 21:45.04 | homyx | ScaredyCat: so I can lean back until tomorrow, where I also want to start from SD :) many many thanks |
| 21:45.18 | flexd | balrog-kun: it's got like 32mb ram :p |
| 21:45.46 | balrog-kun | yeah, Neo is pretty much the most memory you get on ARMs :) |
| 21:46.07 | homyx | many thanks to all !! |
| 21:46.09 | ScaredyCat | have fun... must dash lappy battery dying :/ |
| 21:46.55 | homyx | and good night! At least it's late here :) |
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| 22:14.50 | flexd | Uhm |
| 22:14.53 | flexd | How do i close programs? |
| 22:14.56 | flexd | Like the dialer :/ |
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| 22:15.24 | tuukkah | flexd, short press on power button |
| 22:15.30 | flexd | I'm on qemu |
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| 22:15.59 | tuukkah | space or enter? |
| 22:18.13 | yoyo | bey |
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| 23:02.35 | tuukkah | here's a start: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader_versions |
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| 23:55.36 | borg_ | "Capability to set-up Emergency Calls, even if the device does not hold a SIM card" |
| 23:55.40 | borg_ | is someone working on this? |
| 23:55.50 | borg_ | i would start working on it otherwise |
| 23:56.07 | tuukkah | are you sure it doesn't work already? |
| 23:56.26 | borg_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd |
| 23:56.29 | borg_ | dont no |
| 23:56.54 | tuukkah | at least at some point dialer was made to permit calls even when we're not registered to network |
| 23:56.55 | borg_ | if it does work, could someone update the "currently missing" section? |
| 23:57.02 | borg_ | so i can see an what i can work? |
| 23:57.23 | tuukkah | how would we test whether it works? |
| 23:57.53 | borg_ | tuukkah: dont know, drive to the nearest police station and ask someone if we can make a test call? |
| 23:58.05 | borg_ | o_O |
| 23:58.18 | tuukkah | sounds impractical :-/ |
| 23:58.44 | tuukkah | perhaps this is something fic knows and needs to do... :-( |
| 23:59.05 | borg_ | dont know |
| 23:59.17 | borg_ | i think it is a very important funcionality |
| 23:59.29 | borg_ | *functionality |
| 23:59.40 | tuukkah | of course we could start by testing what happens if you try to call some other number without the sim? |
| 23:59.54 | borg_ | is there someone who knows for sure if it is implemented? |
| 23:59.55 | borg_ | mwester-laptop: ? |