| 00:01.12 | CIA-14 | 03rwhitby * r166 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Fixed local image location - thx to ixs. |
| 00:01.18 | rwhitby | ixs: try that |
| 00:02.15 | ixs | looks better |
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| 00:45.01 | ScarEye | holy crap alotta pppl here... just found out about openmoko |
| 00:45.06 | ScarEye | can't wait |
| 00:45.25 | ScarEye | Just a quick question. Will openmoko work with any GSM carrier ? |
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| 00:47.34 | cjb_ie | ScarEye: any GSM carrier that doesn't go too far from the GSM standard ;) |
| 00:48.09 | ScarEye | =) |
| 00:48.21 | SpeedEvil | And doesn't use 850Mhz |
| 00:48.33 | SpeedEvil | (at least for the current and upcoming model) |
| 00:48.33 | cjb_ie | SpeedEvil: oh, is 850 definitely off the menu now? |
| 00:48.49 | SpeedEvil | cjb_ie: due to specification problems, 01 and 02 are triband phones |
| 00:48.51 | cjb_ie | no dual bom for the PCB? |
| 00:49.06 | ScarEye | 2.5G GSM – tri band (900/1800/1900), voice, CSD, GPRS |
| 00:49.07 | SpeedEvil | yes - swapping out one band for 850 is easy |
| 00:49.17 | cjb_ie | that's alright then |
| 00:49.25 | SpeedEvil | but it can't be a a quadband phone without considerably more work |
| 00:49.44 | ScarEye | so is this phone going to be released by Decemeber ? |
| 00:49.49 | ScarEye | new toy for daddy ;) |
| 00:49.52 | SpeedEvil | ScaredyCat: I doubt is. |
| 00:49.55 | SpeedEvil | ScaredyCat: |
| 00:50.04 | cjb_ie | SpeedEvil: another PCB layout and squeezing more discretes in - i've danced that long and painful dance |
| 00:50.17 | SpeedEvil | scarey: |
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| 00:50.26 | SpeedEvil | scareye: |
| 00:50.29 | ScarEye | yes |
| 00:50.51 | SpeedEvil | cjb_ie: I've only done it for a 400 hole discrete board. That was sort-of-fun |
| 00:51.03 | SpeedEvil | But not even close to the packing density in a phone. |
| 00:51.25 | SpeedEvil | I wish there were decent cheap USB graphical displays. |
| 00:51.30 | cjb_ie | SpeedEvil: heh. i've done some fairly dense designs, but anything close to that density was very small and simple |
| 00:51.59 | SpeedEvil | I'm tempted to make something myself - 4" display, USB that talks over usb-net or serial and VNC |
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| 00:52.29 | cjb_ie | i've done 8 layer double eurocard with gigabit ethernet and FC serial, around 5k pins |
| 00:52.44 | cjb_ie | surface mount, obviously |
| 00:52.50 | SpeedEvil | http://www.tincantools.com/ just launched which is fun. |
| 00:53.00 | SpeedEvil | ARM in DIP40, with USB, ... |
| 00:53.11 | cjb_ie | ooh, nice |
| 00:53.21 | cjb_ie | i've done a bit of work with USB-enabled PICs |
| 00:53.25 | SpeedEvil | Currently I'm trying to avoid ways of thinking too hard about what I could use it for. |
| 00:53.32 | cjb_ie | but ARM should be about a zillion times more powerful |
| 00:53.45 | SpeedEvil | You could even put OM on it :) |
| 00:57.10 | ScarEye | So guys hopefully end of 2008 this should be out ? |
| 00:57.42 | ScarEye | maybe* |
| 00:58.00 | SpeedEvil | hopefully before then |
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| 00:58.27 | SpeedEvil | but christmas 2008 is the absolute earliest that it might hit actual retail shops |
| 00:58.37 | SpeedEvil | IMO |
| 00:58.54 | ScarEye | So what carrier would you go with SpeedEvil ? |
| 00:59.00 | ScarEye | if it was out today ? |
| 00:59.16 | SpeedEvil | I'm using it with t-mobile |
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| 00:59.44 | SpeedEvil | which works well - the data is capped at a pound a day, though is initially expensive - .7p/k |
| 00:59.47 | ScarEye | oh so you are using it currently ? |
| 00:59.58 | SpeedEvil | yes - sort-of. |
| 01:00.09 | ScarEye | are you in the UK ? |
| 01:00.24 | SpeedEvil | I'm not really using it as a phone much - more a GPRS modem for my laptop, and a GPS. |
| 01:00.32 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 01:00.49 | ScarEye | I think this is going to blow the iPhone away.. |
| 01:00.52 | ScarEye | imho |
| 01:01.01 | SpeedEvil | IMO - not for some while. |
| 01:01.09 | SpeedEvil | And it really depends what apple do |
| 01:01.11 | bmk789 | it definately has the potential to |
| 01:01.28 | ScarEye | Well: If it fully fucuncally with all the apps that apple has + some |
| 01:01.32 | ScarEye | I think it will do very well |
| 01:01.37 | SpeedEvil | Potential yes, but there are numbers of problems - some of which may be due to core team concentrating on hardware |
| 01:01.49 | ScarEye | ic |
| 01:02.47 | bmk789 | once i get some programming down ill sure as heel dig in and help all i can, but for now i can only watch what everyone else is doing to judge where the moko will go |
| 01:03.32 | ScarEye | get mark shuttleworth to through in some dough for this project damn it |
| 01:03.41 | ScarEye | ;) |
| 01:03.50 | bmk789 | lol |
| 01:04.40 | ScarEye | Okay my plan to help out. |
| 01:05.27 | ScarEye | Go to store. but lotto ticket. Hit mulitmillion dollar jackpot. Help openmoko get some developers to get this going. PLEASE WISH ME LUCK.. |
| 01:05.41 | SpeedEvil | Good luck! |
| 01:05.44 | ScarEye | =) |
| 01:05.47 | bmk789 | good luck with that |
| 01:06.02 | SpeedEvil | I'm working on my plan. |
| 01:06.02 | mwester-n | hehe! |
| 01:06.05 | ScarEye | =) |
| 01:06.24 | bmk789 | maybe you could hire someone to design an open 3g chipset |
| 01:06.40 | ScarEye | that would amazing.. |
| 01:06.45 | ScarEye | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.01 | ScarEye | damn... now I have to win.. |
| 01:07.02 | SpeedEvil | A few thousand 1" diameter platinum group rich meteoroids fall in my garden. It's less effort than buying a lottery ticket. |
| 01:07.26 | ScarEye | but I think lotto at least I have a change.. |
| 01:07.43 | ScarEye | Well actually they say you have a better change of getting hit by lighting then winning the lotto.. But.. I think I will win.. |
| 01:07.48 | mwester-n | that would ruin your yard SpeedEvil |
| 01:07.59 | ScarEye | he can buy a new one |
| 01:08.02 | ScarEye | at that point |
| 01:08.21 | SpeedEvil | mwester: 1" would actually only make holes, and bury themselves a few feet down |
| 01:08.26 | bmk789 | crappy yard + new neo1973 > amazing yard+ no neo |
| 01:08.37 | SpeedEvil | they'd be I think mildly supersonic at that point |
| 01:08.45 | ScarEye | why call it 1973 |
| 01:08.54 | ScarEye | makes me thing we are still in the stone ages |
| 01:08.57 | ckuethe | year of the 1st cellphone |
| 01:09.00 | SpeedEvil | That was the date at which the first cellphone call was made |
| 01:09.01 | ScarEye | ahh |
| 01:11.06 | bmk789 | lol |
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| 01:40.02 | DukeOfURL | 3cm square board |
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| 01:41.29 | SpeedEvil | I've looked at sparkfuns 11mm*11mm GPS |
| 01:41.47 | DukeOfURL | which one is that? |
| 01:42.44 | DukeOfURL | i bought this today: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=465 |
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| 01:43.42 | SpeedEvil | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8291 |
| 01:43.47 | DukeOfURL | tells me 39.564057 -105.323718 right outside my kitchen window |
| 01:44.10 | SpeedEvil | sorry - 10*10 |
| 01:44.30 | SpeedEvil | florida? |
| 01:44.38 | DukeOfURL | but does the hammerhead outperform in an indoor environment? |
| 01:44.46 | ScarEye | yea 10*10 |
| 01:44.55 | ScarEye | damn |
| 01:44.59 | DukeOfURL | Colorado |
| 01:45.03 | gmaxwell | Can someone point me to a working qtopia image? :) |
| 01:45.08 | webjames | is it easy to emulate openmoko with anything other than qemu? |
| 01:46.33 | SpeedEvil | google maps takes @nnn,nnn |
| 01:46.49 | DukeOfURL | SpeedEvil: I also bought the http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=653 plugged in a 9v wall wart and a serial cable and I'm looking at NME output |
| 01:46.57 | DukeOfURL | NMEA |
| 01:47.43 | DukeOfURL | SpeedEvil: Also bought the LPC2106 prototype board and a bluetooth module. Will lash it up this week. |
| 01:48.01 | SpeedEvil | DukeOfURL: your kitchen is at the south of hte house? |
| 01:48.07 | DukeOfURL | yes |
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| 01:48.47 | DukeOfURL | the device is downstairs under the kitchen |
| 01:48.54 | DukeOfURL | on the window sill |
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| 01:49.16 | DukeOfURL | mwester: comments? |
| 01:49.26 | SpeedEvil | google maps puts it maybe 3m south of the house, so not bad. |
| 01:49.42 | DukeOfURL | good enough for government work :-) |
| 01:50.10 | SpeedEvil | DukeOfURL: I'm tempted to buy http://www.tincantools.com/ 's ARM board, and attempt a UAV. |
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| 01:50.43 | DukeOfURL | SpeedEvil: we need to talk about fabrication of these devices |
| 01:50.51 | SpeedEvil | Because the neo is a little hard to shock mount :) |
| 01:51.01 | DukeOfURL | board production, BGA, etc. |
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| 01:52.20 | webjames | can someone please re-open bug 937:- http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=937 |
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| 01:53.49 | DukeOfURL | SpeedEvil: with flex pcb, how are the components attached? |
| 01:54.33 | SpeedEvil | DukeOfURL: same as normal PCB, but with stiffeners on areas of the PCB where chips are attached to keep flexing down below a threshold |
| 01:54.44 | SpeedEvil | ##electronics may be a worthwhile place |
| 01:54.52 | DukeOfURL | ok |
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| 01:55.55 | DukeOfURL | my GPS says 01:55:48 |
| 01:56.01 | DukeOfURL | am |
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| 01:56.09 | SpeedEvil | It's about right |
| 01:56.18 | SpeedEvil | GMT |
| 01:56.42 | ScarEye | I'll see ya guys later. keep up up the good work |
| 01:56.47 | ScarEye | =) |
| 01:56.52 | DukeOfURL | nite |
| 01:57.01 | ScarEye | nite |
| 01:57.44 | DukeOfURL | SpeedEvil: still in Scotland? |
| 01:57.54 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 01:57.58 | DukeOfURL | cold? |
| 01:58.28 | SpeedEvil | It's currently 6.3C outside |
| 01:58.36 | cjb_ie | never mind scotland, even right down the sunny south end of ireland it's bloody freezing |
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| 01:58.37 | DukeOfURL | yikes! |
| 01:58.39 | SpeedEvil | has been about that most of today, and rainy |
| 01:58.53 | SpeedEvil | It is of course dark. |
| 01:59.05 | DukeOfURL | did you finish your insulation project? |
| 01:59.25 | cjb_ie | ditto here :p but generally it's meant to be sunnier here than scottishland... i think |
| 01:59.43 | SpeedEvil | DukeOfURL: got stalled on other stuff alas. |
| 01:59.50 | SpeedEvil | DukeOfURL: getting on with it more now |
| 02:00.37 | DukeOfURL | well, I'm off to lear openOCD. nite all. |
| 02:00.41 | DukeOfURL | learn |
| 02:00.44 | SpeedEvil | wave |
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| 03:03.44 | daMaestro | ERROR: The following packages conflict with openmoko-session2: |
| 03:03.44 | daMaestro | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.48 | daMaestro | has this not been resolved? |
| 03:04.03 | daMaestro | i just had to flash my device due to trying to solve this myself and rendering my device lame |
| 03:06.54 | CoreDump | well, investigate _why_ exactly conflict. Usually some --force-* option of ipkg will be of help once you know what you are doing ;) |
| 03:07.34 | daMaestro | i just flashed to the lastest "official" image |
| 03:07.46 | daMaestro | and now have done ipkg update && ipkg upgrade.. this is what i get |
| 03:08.01 | CoreDump | try ipkg remove matchbox-common |
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| 03:09.12 | daMaestro | which needs a -recursive |
| 03:09.23 | CoreDump | don't do that |
| 03:09.31 | daMaestro | which pulls out tons of other stuff.. then i reinstall what it pulled and still have the conflict.. and then nothing works |
| 03:09.41 | CoreDump | hehe |
| 03:10.05 | daMaestro | i'm booting it back up again, had to switch sim cards |
| 03:10.09 | CoreDump | you might try forcing the install of openmoko-session2 and pray |
| 03:11.58 | daMaestro | hmm damnit. the ipkg upgrade screwed the device again |
| 03:12.20 | daMaestro | without removing anything |
| 03:13.21 | Kero | uh-oh. I'm doing an `ipkg upgrade` right now. |
| 03:13.32 | daMaestro | well.. expect it to go boom |
| 03:13.49 | daMaestro | please, let me know if you don't get the same conflicts |
| 03:14.02 | daMaestro | and then the next time you reboot ... the device just sits at the please wait.. screen |
| 03:14.31 | daMaestro | http://f3dora.org/paste/563 |
| 03:14.37 | CoreDump | that would be because X doesn't start due to fucked up session scripts (probably) |
| 03:14.56 | daMaestro | i would expect so, yes |
| 03:15.08 | daMaestro | CoreDump, so what can i try to fix the above issue? |
| 03:15.22 | CoreDump | don't upgrade after flashing... |
| 03:15.36 | CoreDump | or use the debug-board and unbork it via console |
| 03:15.57 | Kero | installing libgsmd, new packge? |
| 03:16.16 | Kero | libjana? |
| 03:17.56 | Kero | daMaestro: same conflict. why does ipkg not see that *before* it starts downloading and installing? |
| 03:18.03 | daMaestro | Kero, |
| 03:18.05 | daMaestro | lol |
| 03:18.19 | daMaestro | Kero, ipkg remove matchbox-common && ipkg upgrade |
| 03:18.26 | daMaestro | Kero, i'm rebooting now to see if that actually fixes it |
| 03:18.31 | CoreDump | =) it hasn't touched anything yet when it bails |
| 03:18.40 | daMaestro | CoreDump, yes. yes it has |
| 03:18.52 | CoreDump | it shouldn't heh |
| 03:18.55 | daMaestro | +1 |
| 03:19.01 | daMaestro | there should be a transaction test first |
| 03:19.08 | daMaestro | but that is why there is -test (or whatever) |
| 03:19.23 | daMaestro | Kero, well... that sure doesn't fix it |
| 03:20.21 | daMaestro | http://f3dora.org/paste/564 is the actual conflict |
| 03:21.06 | CoreDump | right |
| 03:22.26 | CoreDump | tell me about it. My first flash ever resulted in a dead uboot =D |
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| 03:23.40 | CoreDump | resulting of my first use of TJAG ever |
| 03:23.48 | CoreDump | *JTAG |
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| 03:32.09 | Kero | libjana-ecal0 is an empty ipkg |
| 03:32.26 | Kero | and matchbox-session (maybe other packages?) need its shared lib |
| 03:35.34 | Kero | ok, it's not empty, but `ipkg files` says it's empty (which is scary) |
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| 03:36.28 | Kero | but a re-install of libjana-ecal0 makes matchbox-session now complain about libjana-gtk |
| 03:36.37 | Kero | so the file *was* not there. |
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| 04:10.51 | Kero | fragile... can start X, dbus session, matchbox wm, panel and session by hand |
| 04:10.57 | Kero | (no applets, yet) |
| 04:11.10 | Kero | but xserver-nodm fails utterly |
| 04:11.35 | CIA-14 | 03tick * r3447 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (include/gsmd/atcmd.h src/gsmd/atcmd.c src/gsmd/usock.c): [gsmd] Adding atcmd_terminate_matching (remove from the queues any command whose .ctx matches given)(Andrzej Zaborowski) |
| 04:12.56 | CIA-14 | 03tick * r3448 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/util/ (libgsmd-tool.c shell.c shell.h): [gsmd] Adding waiting mode for libgsmd-tool shell. (Andrzej Zaborowski) |
| 04:17.12 | Kero | is neod still supposed to run/exist? |
| 04:18.35 | Kero | gsmd replacement worked, tho. can connect to a network. |
| 04:19.13 | Kero | which is good. Now I know I should buy a local SIM from either Cingular or T-Mobile, since those are available here :) |
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| 04:28.53 | Kero | xserver-nodm plus DBUS_SESSION=unix:* DISPLAY=:* matchbox-session gets me there, almost. |
| 04:29.56 | Kero | ho.... timeout? now I have two of everything... |
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| 04:46.14 | hachi | om nom nom nom nom nom |
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| 04:47.01 | hachi | Kero: I never figured out what it was, but I had a similar problem to you |
| 04:47.10 | hachi | I reflashed and it went away |
| 04:47.27 | hachi | this was like 48 hours ago |
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| 04:58.40 | CoreDump | *to sleep |
| 04:58.44 | CM | I accdently put the alarm 1h too early.. And was too tired to realise it |
| 05:01.06 | CM | mwester: What's your time now? |
| 05:01.24 | mwester | 23:01 |
| 05:01.35 | CM | 06.01 here |
| 05:02.30 | ljp | 15:02 |
| 05:02.33 | BBishop | 07:01 here |
| 05:03.03 | BBishop | so cm .. the time is right .. WAKE UP ! :)) |
| 05:04.54 | CM | BBishop: I'm having breakfast :-) |
| 05:04.59 | BBishop | I'm not :| |
| 05:05.32 | BBishop | I wish I had someone to wake up everymorning for me and have breakfast done before I wake up |
| 05:05.44 | BBishop | can the fic 1973 do that ? :D |
| 05:06.54 | CM | BBishop: I'm moving in with my gf soon and I have high hopes for that.. ;) |
| 05:06.55 | BBishop | >:P |
| 05:07.03 | BBishop | can I move in too ? :D |
| 05:07.11 | CM | Hehe |
| 05:07.19 | BBishop | but .. nevermind .. I bet she'll want you to wake up and make her breakfast |
| 05:07.27 | CM | Not in 38 sqm |
| 05:07.27 | BBishop | hmm .. and I think I will too |
| 05:07.30 | CM | Hehe |
| 05:07.48 | BBishop | so .. from now on .. you wake up 1 hour earlier for both of us and make breakfast ! |
| 05:10.35 | BBishop | ... ok .. add these two to the feature request on fic: COOK && DRESS |
| 05:11.51 | cjb_ie | oh... its target market is geeks with no girlfriend? ;-) |
| 05:12.05 | CM | cjb_ie: Damn you're up early |
| 05:12.13 | cjb_ie | CM: nope, late |
| 05:12.17 | CM | Hehe |
| 05:12.19 | CM | Ok |
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| 05:13.03 | cjb_ie | CM: i discovered recently that all-nighters are much, much easier if you go home for an hour to take a shower |
| 05:13.25 | cjb_ie | and about three times as productive |
| 05:13.47 | cjb_ie | right... back to work |
| 05:13.55 | CM | cjb_ie: Heh, cool. Have fun |
| 05:14.12 | BBishop | what if I'm already a all-nighter .. but at home ! |
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| 05:14.40 | BBishop | should I go at the office for an hour and do some work and then come home to be lazy again ? :D |
| 05:14.55 | BBishop | I'm sure I could be lazy more back at home after one hour of work .. |
| 05:15.03 | BBishop | good ideea cjb_ie ! :)) will do try :) |
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| 05:45.19 | CM | mickey|ICE1092: Good morning :) |
| 05:45.33 | cjb_ie | aw, bbishop left before i could thwap him |
| 05:46.09 | CM | Hehe |
| 05:46.39 | mickey|ICE1092 | morning folks |
| 05:46.52 | mickey|ICE1092 | hi CM |
| 05:47.09 | mwester | Greetings O Wise One. |
| 05:47.33 | CM | mwester: Hehe, I agree that's a more proper phrase to use ;) |
| 05:48.08 | mickey|ICE1092 | heh |
| 05:49.11 | mickey|ICE1092 | LaF0rge: wake up and prepare breakfast. I'll be there in ~4 hours ;) |
| 05:49.26 | CM | Hehe, that' |
| 05:49.32 | CM | s quite some breakfast |
| 05:50.42 | mickey|ICE1092 | i sincerely hope so, i'm hungry |
| 05:51.06 | CM | Any special agenda for today? |
| 05:51.26 | CM | mickey|ICE1092: We like knowing about future plans ;) |
| 05:51.26 | mickey|ICE1092 | oh, nothing special |
| 05:51.36 | mickey|ICE1092 | the german OM guys meet at LaF0rge's place to discuss recent stuff |
| 05:51.56 | mickey|ICE1092 | it's more like meeting of some friends than anything official |
| 05:52.05 | CM | Ok, sounds even better :) |
| 05:52.46 | CM | Btw, I guess you have thesis work before getting your diplomas in germany too? |
| 05:53.14 | mickey|ICE1092 | yep, need to write a diploma thesis, roughly 6 months to 12 months of work |
| 05:53.25 | CM | Ok, same here. |
| 05:53.34 | mickey|ICE1092 | mwester: haha, something along that... the secret dungeon of doom |
| 05:53.43 | CM | I put up a page for openmoko related ones in the wiki |
| 05:53.55 | CM | A company in sweden had 8 proposals :) |
| 05:54.10 | CM | But I haven't found any more ones |
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| 05:55.11 | CM | Just hope people finds it and add more :) |
| 05:55.45 | mickey|ICE1092 | (phoneserver) yesterday i met with the GPE Phone guys and we agreed on a phone server and some device manager dbus stuff to co-work |
| 05:55.49 | mickey|ICE1092 | i should probably blog about it w/ some more details |
| 05:55.51 | mickey|ICE1092 | when i'm back in FRA |
| 05:56.00 | CM | Sounds good |
| 05:58.30 | mickey|ICE1092 | cool |
| 05:59.31 | CIA-14 | 03tick * r3449 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (9 files in 5 dirs): [gsmd] New feature for power on/off GSM modem (Sean Chiang) |
| 06:00.32 | mickey|ICE1092 | ~praise tick |
| 06:00.33 | apt | All hail tick! |
| 06:01.25 | CM | Works well for me to call with a image from sunday eve |
| 06:02.02 | mickey|ICE1092 | yeah, gsmd gained a lot of stability recently |
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| 06:02.35 | CM | It wasn't until the src_rev was bumped I got it |
| 06:03.02 | mickey|ICE1092 | i will continue pushing and pestering to get the moko5 firmware out |
| 06:03.51 | mickey|ICE1092 | yeah, i'm always using autorev while there's so much development goin gon |
| 06:03.56 | CM | Just don't wear out.. Banging your head against the wall get's tiresome after a while ;) |
| 06:04.04 | mickey|ICE1092 | heh, right |
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| 06:04.46 | mickey|ICE1092 | i had my share of fights w/ our new engineering manager recently |
| 06:05.06 | CM | Hmm.. I'd like to be somewhere inbetween autorev and locked, to try new upgrades. It's like the unstable gentoo I run |
| 06:05.33 | CM | "stabilizing" is a tiresome thing |
| 06:07.32 | mickey|ICE1092 | ya, me too |
| 06:07.52 | mickey|ICE1092 | gta02 is crucial to OM staying in business |
| 06:08.03 | CM | *nod* |
| 06:13.47 | rwhitby | hey mickey|ICE1092 |
| 06:13.50 | CIA-14 | 03tick * r3450 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/libgsmd/libgsmd_modem.c: [gsmd] sorry forget to add the new file (Sean Chiang) |
| 06:15.04 | rwhitby | mickey|ICE1092: does Tick (the guy maintaining gsmd) have OE commit privs to be able to update the srcrev when he checks in and tests a new patch in the OM svn? |
| 06:17.07 | mickey|ICE1092 | rwhitby: no |
| 06:17.40 | rwhitby | mickey|ICE1092: and he |
| 06:17.46 | rwhitby | is not on IRC? |
| 06:18.24 | rwhitby | (so that someone can ask him whether the newly checked in rev should be pushed out to OE sane-srcrevs) |
| 06:18.25 | CM | Would be nice if more of them were :) |
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| 06:20.13 | atul | How to set tool tip in Gtk+ |
| 06:21.48 | CM | atul: I don't know, but http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/2.12/GtkTooltip.html might help |
| 06:25.07 | mickey|ICE1092 | ya |
| 06:25.07 | mickey|ICE1092 | we encourage them once and then |
| 06:25.12 | mickey|ICE1092 | at least CIA reporting works again |
| 06:25.16 | mickey|ICE1092 | eventually one in Taipei will get OE commit access and bump revisions once tested |
| 06:25.22 | mickey|ICE1092 | robtaylor: all that dbus glue code in HAL is obnoxious. It could've been so simply if it would have not been written in C :/ |
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| 06:29.57 | CM | tick: Welcome :) |
| 06:30.10 | tick | CM: hi |
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| 06:31.12 | CM | abraxa__: Good morning |
| 06:31.59 | cjb_ie | s/bot/bork/ |
| 06:32.03 | mwester-n | ~botsnack |
| 06:32.03 | apt | thanks, mwester-n |
| 06:32.18 | CM | thanks, mwester-n :P |
| 06:32.24 | tick | mwester: hi |
| 06:32.27 | mwester-n | ;) |
| 06:32.47 | mwester-n | hello |
| 06:34.16 | tick | mwester-n: With current OE kernel we noticed that it will make GSM firmware unable to sleep |
| 06:35.10 | tick | CM: If you send AT@POFF before shutting down neo, the GSM modem will turn off |
| 06:35.18 | CM | Ok :) |
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| 06:39.54 | atul | CM, it works |
| 06:40.11 | CM | atul: Cool. What app are you working on? :) |
| 06:40.29 | atul | CM, AT Commands for neo1973 |
| 06:40.53 | CM | aha. Add an AT@POFF for me ;) |
| 06:41.36 | atul | CM, ok you have to join as developer here http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/atmycommand/ |
| 06:41.55 | cjb_ie | ATmycommand :-) |
| 06:42.00 | atul | CM, we upload code also there have a look on it |
| 06:42.07 | CM | Nice |
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| 06:42.11 | atul | cjb_ie, yes |
| 06:42.13 | CM | cjb_ie: I hope you are! |
| 06:42.18 | CM | :P |
| 06:42.24 | cjb_ie | CM: what would your girlfriend say... |
| 06:43.09 | CM | cjb_ie: I think she comes with that program installed already.. :-/ |
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| 07:09.44 | mickey|ICE1092 | re |
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| 07:19.28 | flexd | \o |
| 07:22.45 | flexd | Yay me |
| 07:22.52 | flexd | convinced a friend of mine to buy a neo too \o/ |
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| 08:33.14 | mickey|ICE1092 | rastern800: underway? |
| 08:33.57 | atul | Does any one know how to set tooltip on to tree view |
| 08:40.15 | josch | mickey + ICE1092 + raster + n800 = ?? |
| 08:41.08 | atul | how to set tooltip for tree view |
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| 08:44.11 | flexd | hm |
| 08:44.12 | flexd | damnit |
| 08:44.15 | flexd | my boss ruins my msn :() |
| 08:44.45 | flexd | i had my pidgin away message as "pretending to work, coding" |
| 08:44.57 | flexd | and i have my boss on msn and she's like... WHAT? |
| 08:45.01 | flexd | :( |
| 08:46.41 | Tronic | Just wait until she starts ircing too. |
| 08:52.01 | flexd | that will never happen |
| 08:52.42 | flexd | 1. I control the firewall, she has no chance. 2. I was coding something work-related, so she didnt get so mad when i told her what i was making |
| 08:55.51 | flexd | 3. I'l be getting TWO neos soon, my awsome phone will simply conquer the office and claim leadership of the firm! |
| 08:55.54 | flexd | brb |
| 08:55.56 | flexd | (yeah right!) |
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| 09:04.05 | CIA-14 | 03tick * r3451 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/vendor_ti.c: [gsmd] slightly changed the cpmb callback because rc could be used uninitialised, and avoids using strtok() on a constant string (Andrzej Zaborowski) |
| 09:04.44 | CM | ~praise tick |
| 09:04.45 | apt | All hail tick! |
| 09:04.59 | tick | hi ^^ |
| 09:05.21 | tick | This commit remove some little bugs reported my andrew |
| 09:05.24 | josch | mtn: help required for 3-way merge <= what so I do with this nasty error? |
| 09:05.37 | tick | strtok shall not be used |
| 09:05.45 | tick | and rc may not be initialed. |
| 09:06.04 | CM | josch: Hmm... Have you made changes to your tree? |
| 09:06.27 | josch | do not think so - can I revert them somehow? |
| 09:06.37 | CM | josch: If not, I think you can just "pull". Not sure though, still not understanding monotone |
| 09:07.53 | CM | tick: Since r3434 gsmd finally seems to work ok for me. At least enough to call and answer. Nice to see it's being improved :) |
| 09:08.37 | CM | josch: Also, ask the guys in #oe, they know :) |
| 09:08.45 | josch | will try that |
| 09:08.52 | tick | CM: thanks :-) I am glad to it works. |
| 09:09.20 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 09:16.45 | balrog-kun | tick: thanks for applying |
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| 09:17.08 | tick | ^^ your welcome |
| 09:17.39 | CM | balrog-kun: And his commits even show up in the CIA messages ;) |
| 09:18.29 | balrog-kun | mine do too :( sometimes |
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| 10:01.16 | josch | can anyone halp me with my latest build error? |
| 10:01.17 | josch | http://celpaste.morb-design.com/pastebin.php?show=m744a146b |
| 10:02.37 | XorA | josch: looks like a conf issue, do you have MACHINE set correctly |
| 10:03.16 | josch | MACHINE = "fic-gta01" <= never edited this |
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| 10:04.03 | emdete | the wiki (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util) mentions u-boot's Runtime Mode and DFU Mode - how do i change from one to the other? |
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| 10:05.55 | balrog-kun | emdete: it's documented in the DFU specification i believe |
| 10:06.23 | balrog-kun | there should be a link to the specs on the wiki |
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| 10:15.22 | josch | okay - I just had to do clean package linux-openmoko |
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| 10:19.51 | florian | good morning |
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| 10:20.44 | flexd | morning \o |
| 10:20.46 | yoyo | hi :) |
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| 10:41.10 | emdete | i tried to exchange the u-boot splash with `dfu-util -a 4 ...` using a gzipped out from openmoko/developers/werner/splash-jtag/img.pl . this looks very promising but only the top-half of the image is shown. the rest is garbage & black. does someone know why? |
| 10:44.07 | CM | emdete: You have to set the size somewhere.. Can't remember the details |
| 10:45.11 | CM | emdete: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Splash_screen#Modifying_the_size_of_the_compressed_splash_image |
| 10:45.18 | robtaylor | mickey_away: well, thats just what it looks like to code to libdbus.. |
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| 10:45.56 | robtaylor | mickey_away: i wouldn't worry too much, it'll all go away sooner or later |
| 10:46.11 | CM | Go away? :) |
| 10:46.18 | hub_ | when is the Realesa date ? |
| 10:46.32 | CM | hub_: Of the GTA02 phone? |
| 10:46.39 | hub_ | yes ?! |
| 10:46.53 | CM | Nothing official said yet, but it doesn't look like it's December |
| 10:47.07 | hub_ | end or midle ? |
| 10:47.14 | CM | My guess is January |
| 10:47.20 | hub_ | hmm... |
| 10:47.32 | hub_ | and the ~ Price |
| 10:47.45 | hub_ | ? |
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| 10:47.54 | CM | Someone said 500 phones were about to be produced, but I haven't seen any confirmation |
| 10:48.00 | CM | 450 USD |
| 10:48.03 | hub_ | ok |
| 10:48.15 | hub_ | but he haves WIfi or ? |
| 10:48.16 | robtaylor | CM: DeviceKit plans |
| 10:48.31 | CM | robtaylor: Ok, just curious. Thanks |
| 10:48.50 | robtaylor | CM: though i'm still waiting for davidz to finish on policy kit before i start hacking away on those |
| 10:48.55 | CM | hub_: Yes, GTA02 have wifi, faster processor, more flash and gpu |
| 10:49.55 | CM | robtaylor: That they send it to you that is, I'm not productive enough. ;) |
| 10:50.00 | hub_ | When is the GTA 03 Realese after 02 ? 1 jear after or wath ? |
| 10:50.05 | buz_ | other smartphones have become dirt cheap lately |
| 10:50.08 | robtaylor | CM: heh :) |
| 10:50.15 | buz_ | hub_: i dont believe anyone really knows that |
| 10:50.18 | CM | hub_: Nothing known about any GTA03 yet |
| 10:50.21 | hub_ | ok |
| 10:50.35 | buz_ | i'm not even sure anyone knows when GTA02 release will be |
| 10:50.53 | dottedmag | damn customs :-/ |
| 10:51.34 | hub_ | Is this a better CPU with 1 watt > x86-Prozessor "Eden ULV" with 1 Watt. Why Samsung ? |
| 10:51.51 | hub_ | and 500 Mhz |
| 10:52.01 | hub_ | and x86 |
| 10:52.35 | buz_ | you want a 1watt cpu in a phone? |
| 10:52.41 | buz_ | that's gonna last very long |
| 10:52.41 | hub_ | yes |
| 10:52.57 | hub_ | longer life |
| 10:53.02 | buz_ | not really |
| 10:53.03 | hub_ | batery i mean |
| 10:53.06 | hub_ | why ? |
| 10:53.11 | buz_ | the samsung cpu uses much less than 1 watt |
| 10:53.17 | hub_ | really ? |
| 10:53.23 | hub_ | under 1 watt ? |
| 10:53.28 | buz_ | obviously, otherwise people wouldnt use it |
| 10:53.39 | hub_ | hmmm :-/ |
| 10:53.53 | buz_ | and as opposed to X86, arm can actually do powersaving properly |
| 10:54.04 | hub_ | right. |
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| 10:54.18 | buz_ | the eden ulv would be good for a really small notebook, but not a phone |
| 10:54.52 | CM | hub_: the samsung cpu draws 50-335mW depending on speed |
| 10:55.04 | hub_ | lol, ok |
| 10:55.07 | CM | That's in normal mode |
| 10:55.19 | CM | 40mW in slow :) |
| 10:55.39 | buz_ | and practically nothing at all in standby |
| 10:55.53 | hub_ | ok is realy >m<Watt. |
| 10:56.02 | buz_ | yeah |
| 10:56.15 | CM | Says 0.2mW (@2V) in standby |
| 10:56.16 | buz_ | 50watt in a phone would turn in into a soldering iron |
| 10:56.23 | buz_ | i think they cheat |
| 10:56.32 | buz_ | memory quite likely needs more than that |
| 10:56.48 | CM | *nod* |
| 10:56.49 | buz_ | and the memory controller will have to refresh memory |
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| 10:57.21 | hub_ | and wath is the Graphik chip name ? |
| 10:57.48 | CM | hub_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA02_Hardware |
| 10:58.50 | hub_ | he have MPEG4 |
| 10:58.58 | buz_ | technically |
| 10:59.09 | buz_ | but nobody outside fic knows what the driver will actually support |
| 10:59.20 | CM | Only a specific version of mpeg4 |
| 10:59.29 | hub_ | but no H.264 in a list i see |
| 10:59.33 | buz_ | no AVC, sadly |
| 10:59.42 | mjr | they were doing xvmc last I heard |
| 10:59.42 | hub_ | only the 3370 serie |
| 10:59.57 | buz_ | mjr: thats good |
| 11:00.06 | buz_ | xvmc seems more useful than opengl es |
| 11:00.29 | mjr | yes |
| 11:00.39 | mjr | not that the latter wouldn't be good to eventually have... |
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| 11:01.25 | buz_ | if i could chose between earlier GTA03 and opengl es, i'd prefer earlier GTA03 |
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| 11:13.10 | emdete | CM: thnx alot - that worked! :D |
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| 11:23.55 | CM | emdete: You're welcome :) |
| 11:24.47 | mickey|berlin | tick: did you see my question? i didn't get an answer. i was asking why the OE kernel does not cooperate w/ gsmd sleep mode. |
| 11:25.15 | CIA-14 | 03chris * r3452 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-sms.c): |
| 11:25.15 | CIA-14 | * src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-sms.c: (opened_cb), (moko_dialer_sms_init): |
| 11:25.15 | CIA-14 | Don't forget to open the note store before trying to do anything |
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| 12:04.10 | tick | mickey_away, sorry I did not see that |
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| 12:06.58 | tick | mickey_away, I need to check. kernel built from buildhost at Sept. is OK but that one in Nov 6 will make GSM firmware unable to sleep. |
| 12:07.17 | tick | mickey_away, I will check it tomorrow. |
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| 13:13.45 | emdete | hm, did something change with bluetooth? i use ScaredyCat's current image but after `echo 1 > ...` hciconfig does not show any device. |
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| 13:18.55 | ruxpin | how can I get to the terminal / execute commands in qtopia? |
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| 13:49.43 | CM | emdete: It works for me with an image from sunday eve |
| 13:50.01 | CM | emdete: Just powered it on using the bluetooth icon in the panel |
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| 13:52.30 | ruxpin | is anyone else having problems with the SIM cards? it seems that sometimes the cards are not found, while they are carefully cleaned and put into place, and the pins are OK as well..? |
| 13:54.39 | CIA-14 | 03chris * r3453 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-sms.c): |
| 13:54.39 | CIA-14 | * src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-sms.c: (moko_dialer_sms_finalize), |
| 13:54.39 | CIA-14 | (store_sms), (gsmd_eventhandler), (sms_msghandler), |
| 13:54.39 | CIA-14 | (net_msghandler), (opened_cb), (moko_dialer_sms_send): |
| 13:54.39 | CIA-14 | Add more debugging, get own phone number correctly |
| 13:55.53 | CM | ruxpin: Yes, other people have mentioned that too. Especially when there's no sd card in |
| 13:56.23 | demaledetti | ruxpin: you might want to add your feedback to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers |
| 13:57.16 | ruxpin | the SD card is installed |
| 13:57.56 | CM | demaledetti: I think he means physically recognized by the Neo, not carrier |
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| 13:58.24 | CM | Hehe, humble nick there.. |
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| 13:58.41 | ruxpin | the carrier works fine, after the SIM card is physically found |
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| 14:00.13 | ruxpin | are there are 'tricks' to get the card detected? ;-) |
| 14:01.46 | ruxpin | physically this card is in good condition |
| 14:02.01 | CM | I've never had a problem with it |
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| 14:02.16 | CM | but I've only taken it out twice ever |
| 14:02.28 | demaledetti | CM: I am confused, that page mentions CME error 10 (SIM not inserted) and CME error 13 (SIM failure), how do you tell if your SIM is not physically found otherwise? |
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| 14:02.56 | CM | demaledetti: Ah, heh. Didn't look at the page, just saw that it was called Carriers |
| 14:03.04 | CM | demaledetti: Sorry, my mistake :) |
| 14:03.26 | demaledetti | CM: no worries, I think the page name is confusing too |
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| 14:23.08 | josch | after flashing a new image booting halts on the "please wait" screen - what could've gone wrong |
| 14:23.28 | josch | do I have to nand erase rootfs? |
| 14:25.27 | ruxpin | btw, is the nand erase necessary anymore? I've switched different sized images without doing that |
| 14:25.56 | ruxpin | morning |
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| 14:45.12 | kristian-m | ruxpin with newer u-boot it's not needed, right. |
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| 16:20.41 | torpor | yo |
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| 16:41.09 | josch | yo |
| 16:41.15 | mwester | yoyo |
| 16:45.24 | CM | Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, check it out, yo, yo, yo (RATM - Calm like a bomb) :) |
| 16:47.34 | torpor | check what out? |
| 16:47.39 | torpor | i don't see anything worth checking out |
| 16:47.45 | torpor | whats good in the neo scene right now? |
| 16:48.26 | CM | I think it's been fairly calm for a while.. |
| 16:48.27 | SpeedEvil | I've got a GTA03! It came from a nice man in a tardis from the year 2043. |
| 16:48.46 | torpor | woot |
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| 16:50.32 | mmontour | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.49 | CM | :-( |
| 16:52.30 | torpor | ;* |
| 16:52.44 | CM | I wonder how much that will delay everything.. |
| 16:53.20 | mmontour | Hopefully they're getting faster at turning around hardware revs now. |
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| 16:54.09 | CM | Some kind of official statement at least once a month what they're up to would also be nice.. |
| 16:54.11 | torpor | is it really true, they're redesigning it ? |
| 16:55.17 | dottedmag | google finds nothing about gta02a5 yet |
| 16:55.20 | mmontour | torpor: all I know is what's in that bugnote. |
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| 16:55.34 | reL | #PILL.Lv |
| 16:55.34 | Stephmw | dottedmag: it will now |
| 16:55.39 | dottedmag | :) |
| 16:56.00 | CM | The P -1 phones were v4 (or a4 if they call them that now) |
| 16:56.35 | dottedmag | Anyway working hardware is a top-priority. Even bug-ridden gsmd may be replaced. I agree to wait a month more to have working battery controller. |
| 16:56.57 | CM | Definitely, or it will never really be usable as a phone.. |
| 16:57.17 | dottedmag | CM: are they gta01v4? I thought they had 4 iterations of gta02. |
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| 16:57.28 | dottedmag | s/they/moko team/ |
| 16:57.35 | dottedmag | damn :) |
| 16:57.37 | edistar | hi |
| 16:57.39 | CM | I get it |
| 16:57.45 | omegai | dottedmag, when you say bug ridden gsmd are you reffering to the software are the gsm hardware? |
| 16:57.52 | torpor | i'm sorta finding my neo to be usable as a phone right now .. |
| 16:57.57 | CM | dottedmag: Yes, they had 4 revisions, now they have to make 5th |
| 16:58.11 | CM | torpor: How long does the battery last? |
| 16:58.13 | edistar | CM: how far are they? |
| 16:58.20 | dottedmag | omegai: I'm referring to the userspace gsmd daemon. |
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| 16:58.46 | CM | edistar: What do you mean? |
| 16:58.50 | torpor | CM: i dunno but its been 3 days since i bothered with battery issues .. i think the new kernel fixes the powerdown issue .. |
| 16:59.06 | CM | torpor: Yes, pm seems to work pretty ok now :) |
| 16:59.07 | dottedmag | omegai: there was tension recently about the openmoko-team-only gsmd development and resulting quality. |
| 16:59.11 | edistar | CM: how far is the OM team with gta02? |
| 17:00.03 | CM | edistar: All I know is that they did some samples of GTA02v4 3 weeks ago and they found a bug in the hw that they needed to fix |
| 17:00.09 | edistar | ok |
| 17:00.18 | CM | edistar: mmontour noticed the comment in bug #957 |
| 17:00.25 | edistar | thx |
| 17:00.34 | edistar | so it won't be ready in december :( |
| 17:00.44 | CM | Doesn't look like it no... |
| 17:01.57 | reL | #PILL.Lv |
| 17:02.52 | CM | ~kick reL |
| 17:02.52 | apt | ACTION kicks reL |
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| 17:05.05 | dottedmag | ahh. /me loves bug #1013. Especially after reading http://www.grassouille.org/blogmax/041009.html |
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| 17:05.29 | CM | mwester: Heh, not sure what for, but you're welcome :) |
| 17:05.54 | mwester | :) kicking out the pest there. |
| 17:06.05 | CM | hehe |
| 17:07.10 | CM | dottedmag: Hehe, fun link |
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| 17:12.24 | XorA | xora-psp: hello |
| 17:13.01 | xora-psp | hello |
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| 17:13.23 | CIA-14 | 03thomas * r3454 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokogsmd2/ (ChangeLog libmokogsmd/moko-gsmd-connection.c): |
| 17:13.23 | CIA-14 | * libmokogsmd/moko-gsmd-connection.c: |
| 17:13.24 | CIA-14 | (moko_gsmd_connection_dispose): Check validity of source and gsm handle |
| 17:13.24 | CIA-14 | before trying to disconnect from them |
| 17:13.33 | CM | xora-psp: What irc client is that? Easy to type? |
| 17:14.04 | XorA | CM: pspirc, and its ok, you use analogue to select from a 3x3 grid and OX[]() to select letter |
| 17:14.34 | CM | Ah, clever typing, haven't seen that before |
| 17:15.25 | XorA | CM: no point having homebrew pdp and not playing around |
| 17:15.49 | CM | Hehe, definitely not. No good games for it? |
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| 17:16.09 | CM | I've played that crazy tilting game with the blobbs rolling around |
| 17:17.42 | XorA | CM: not got that one, I use it for some psone games, and I just loaded picoDrive |
| 17:17.55 | tuukkah | the new hardware bug :-( |
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| 17:18.25 | CM | tuukkah: I hope it's a quick fix that doesn't need any re-tooling or so |
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| 17:19.24 | tuukkah | CM, there's hope |
| 17:24.58 | edistar | tuukkah: whats the hw bug about? |
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| 17:25.55 | tuukkah | edistar, an additional pin in the processor needs to be wired for battery monitoring to be implementable |
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| 17:26.45 | tuukkah | or rather, read here: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=957 |
| 17:27.17 | CIA-14 | 03thomas * r3455 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokogsmd2/ (ChangeLog libmokogsmd/moko-gsmd-connection.c): |
| 17:27.17 | CIA-14 | * libmokogsmd/moko-gsmd-connection.c: |
| 17:27.17 | CIA-14 | (moko_gsmd_connection_dispose): Remove the reference to the current |
| 17:27.17 | CIA-14 | instance when object is disposed |
| 17:27.50 | edistar | tuukkah: thanks, good that they found out at least |
| 17:28.10 | tuukkah | i agree |
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| 17:32.43 | omegai | I wish the issue never existed in the first place |
| 17:33.44 | tuukkah | more time to work on the software :-) |
| 17:35.00 | edistar | heh, true again ;) |
| 17:36.01 | CIA-14 | 03thomas * r3456 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 17:36.01 | CIA-14 | * src/phone-kit/moko-dialer.c: (moko_dialer_get_status), |
| 17:36.01 | CIA-14 | (moko_dialer_dial), (moko_dialer_class_init), (dialer_init_gsmd): |
| 17:36.01 | CIA-14 | * src/phone-kit/moko-dialer.h: |
| 17:36.01 | CIA-14 | - Return error messages when d-bus functions fail. |
| 17:36.01 | CIA-14 | - Try to re-connect to gsmd on each d-bus function rather than only on |
| 17:36.05 | CIA-14 | initialisation |
| 17:36.41 | CIA-14 | 03thomas * r3457 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog data/openmoko-dialer.desktop): * data/openmoko-dialer.desktop: Set single instance to true |
| 17:37.35 | CIA-14 | 03thomas * r3458 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-sms.c): |
| 17:37.35 | CIA-14 | * src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-sms.c: (opened_cb): Don't abort if |
| 17:37.35 | CIA-14 | connecting to gsmd fails |
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| 17:47.16 | CIA-14 | 03thomas * r3459 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/dialer/dialer-main.c): |
| 17:47.16 | CIA-14 | * src/dialer/dialer-main.c: (dial_clicked_cb), (main): Use a message box |
| 17:47.16 | CIA-14 | to notify users of dialing errors |
| 17:49.07 | CIA-14 | 03chris * r3460 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (6 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 17:49.07 | CIA-14 | * configure.ac: |
| 17:49.07 | CIA-14 | * src/Makefile.am: |
| 17:49.08 | CIA-14 | * src/sms-main.c: (main): |
| 17:49.08 | CIA-14 | * src/sms-notes.c: (get_selected_contact), (page_shown), |
| 17:49.09 | CIA-14 | (new_toggled_cb), (send_clicked_cb), (sms_notes_page_new): |
| 17:49.11 | CIA-14 | * src/sms.h: |
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| 17:50.08 | edistar | CIA-14: nopaste.org? |
| 17:50.39 | tuukkah | edistar, don't stop the good news of progress from flooding in !-) |
| 17:50.50 | edistar | tuukkah: sry ;) |
| 17:52.28 | CIA-14 | 03chris * r3461 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 17:52.28 | CIA-14 | * src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-sms.c: (moko_dialer_sms_send): |
| 17:52.28 | CIA-14 | * src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-sms.h: |
| 17:52.28 | CIA-14 | Return error message when trying to send an SMS after failing to |
| 17:52.28 | CIA-14 | connect to gsmd |
| 17:52.28 | mwester | It's only goodness once the sane srcrevs file gets bumped ;) |
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| 17:57.03 | PBeck | hi |
| 17:57.17 | edistar | hi |
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| 18:05.54 | ScaredyCat | CIA-14 is a bot edistar |
| 18:06.13 | ScaredyCat | it reports commits |
| 18:06.24 | edistar | ScaredyCat: Oh, I am stupid :P can't it tell me via msg? ;) |
| 18:06.26 | ScaredyCat | tat's its job :) |
| 18:06.33 | edistar | ScaredyCat: sry then ;) |
| 18:06.47 | ScaredyCat | but then we'd need to read your /msg 's |
| 18:07.28 | edistar | ScaredyCat: no, I mean if I address CIA-14 it could msg me back to STFU because its a bot :) |
| 18:07.52 | ScaredyCat | oh, lol - you muppet ;) |
| 18:07.58 | edistar | ScaredyCat: :P |
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| 18:29.27 | CIA-14 | 03chris * r3462 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-sms.c): |
| 18:29.28 | CIA-14 | * src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-sms.c: (moko_dialer_sms_class_init): |
| 18:29.28 | CIA-14 | Don't forget to register introspection data |
| 18:30.02 | borg_ | what is introspection data? |
| 18:33.25 | CVirus | Any of you guys got the GTA02 yet ? |
| 18:34.02 | torpor | a few do |
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| 18:38.03 | CVirus | torpor: how are things going with it ? |
| 18:38.20 | torpor | CVirus: i don't have one, so don't ask me! |
| 18:38.29 | edistar | heh |
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| 18:40.06 | CM | CVirus: Not so good, they're doing a new revision |
| 18:40.36 | CVirus | CM: not so good in terms of what exactly ? |
| 18:40.43 | CM | CVirus: Something with the battery. Look at bug 957 |
| 18:40.56 | borg_ | CM: if this fixes the 850mhz issues etc. it is imo a good news |
| 18:41.11 | CM | borg_: Yes, that would be good news indeed :) |
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| 18:41.36 | omegai | why would a battery bug fix 850mhz issues? |
| 18:41.54 | SpeedEvil | IT won't directly |
| 18:42.07 | borg_ | but if they nevertheless have to make a new revision |
| 18:42.08 | SpeedEvil | however, a respin of the board means that there is opportunity to change stuff |
| 18:42.15 | borg_ | yes |
| 18:42.32 | borg_ | exactly |
| 18:42.40 | omegai | that would be good, but the more changes the longer it will take |
| 18:42.51 | SpeedEvil | omegai: that's not really true |
| 18:42.54 | omegai | more to re0test |
| 18:43.00 | omegai | re-test |
| 18:43.08 | SpeedEvil | omegai: the more changes the higher the risk of it not working out of the box and needing respun |
| 18:43.18 | SpeedEvil | but it generally won't take longer. |
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| 18:45.44 | SpeedEvil | there is a three-way mux going to assorted filters |
| 18:45.53 | SpeedEvil | and there is no 850 filter |
| 18:46.07 | SpeedEvil | for a quad phone you need four filters and a four-way mux |
| 18:46.21 | borg_ | uuh |
| 18:46.26 | borg_ | this sounds like a major change |
| 18:46.41 | SpeedEvil | swapping out the 900 fiter for an 850 filter is a trivial change |
| 18:46.45 | Writchie | the calypso quad band reference shows a 850/900 1800 and 1900 filters with a single filter for 850/900 |
| 18:47.02 | omegai | exactly, im not a hardware buff, but where are the filters located? |
| 18:47.02 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: I'm just repeating what ro h said |
| 18:47.13 | borg_ | SpeedEvil: but than you have to make two versions of the neo |
| 18:47.19 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: who has schematics! |
| 18:47.23 | SpeedEvil | borg_: true |
| 18:47.25 | borg_ | for europe and for north america |
| 18:47.30 | omegai | will that require changes to the main board? |
| 18:47.34 | SpeedEvil | borg_: or do the work for a quadband phone |
| 18:47.45 | Writchie | there's a block diagram for the quadband rf - wait one |
| 18:47.49 | SpeedEvil | omegai: swapping the filters requires no board rework |
| 18:47.54 | omegai | whichever will get me one faster i say |
| 18:48.01 | SpeedEvil | omegai: making a quadband phone does |
| 18:48.16 | CVirus | wtf .. Harald is out ? who took his place ? |
| 18:48.36 | CM | CVirus: No one yet... |
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| 18:49.47 | omegai | will two versions drastically change the manufacturing process? |
| 18:50.05 | omegai | i.e. will it be more work than going quad-band? |
| 18:50.46 | edistar | omegai: no, it won't |
| 18:52.26 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12296&contentId=4701 |
| 18:53.01 | weez | anyone know where evolution contacts should be copied to now? these instructions don't work anymore http://openmoko.togaware.com/survivor/Contacts.html |
| 18:53.21 | weez | and I spent lots of time running grep in hopes of finding out where stuff is stored now with no effect |
| 18:53.27 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: it may require a more expensive/different layout switchplexer to meet filtering requirements |
| 18:53.49 | weez | i suppose i may need to go look at the sources if no on can answer my question. |
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| 18:54.06 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: I've not gone into the 'datasheet' of the calypso - and am just going by what ro h said. |
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| 18:54.27 | Writchie | AFAIK only they have the data sheet |
| 18:54.31 | borg_ | Writchie: more expensive meens something like 10 cents in this case, doesnt it? |
| 18:54.49 | Writchie | borg_: it's probably layout issues |
| 18:54.54 | borg_ | yes |
| 18:54.58 | borg_ | of course |
| 18:54.59 | Writchie | and testing |
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| 18:55.56 | borg_ | is there now someone at fic who is responsable for gsmd? |
| 18:56.09 | edistar | borg_: yes, sean |
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| 18:56.13 | SpeedEvil | I mean 'datasheet' - what's available publically - the datasheet is what's under NDA |
| 18:56.15 | borg_ | who can one ask for things that are needed for gsmd? |
| 18:56.27 | CM | borg_: Why not just ask tick? |
| 18:56.37 | CM | He was here all day (.tw time) today |
| 18:56.44 | borg_ | really? |
| 18:56.46 | borg_ | nice! |
| 18:56.53 | borg_ | i have never seen him here before |
| 18:57.03 | CM | mickey_away prodded him a bit |
| 18:57.09 | borg_ | nice |
| 18:57.10 | borg_ | thats good |
| 18:57.22 | CM | jserv-- is also a fic-guy |
| 18:57.41 | edistar | who is tick? |
| 18:57.52 | CM | edistar: The guy responsible for gsmd |
| 18:57.58 | edistar | CM: ah, cool |
| 18:58.02 | CM | Just check the commit log :) |
| 19:04.05 | tuukkah | Writchie, the block diagram is good to have. do we use the other chips of tcs2010 too? |
| 19:05.08 | Writchie | it looks to me like the 2010 chipset is the version they are using |
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| 19:14.50 | playya | is a nfc chip in the OM? |
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| 19:21.23 | tuukkah | playya, what's nfc? |
| 19:21.51 | playya | near field connection |
| 19:22.01 | SpeedEvil | Largely hype as of yet |
| 19:22.06 | SpeedEvil | and no |
| 19:22.28 | playya | there was another thing i cant remember :D |
| 19:22.32 | edistar | SpeedEvil: do you know anything about the accelerometers? anyone tested them yet? |
| 19:22.43 | SpeedEvil | edistar: not of the ones in the neo |
| 19:23.05 | playya | thats what i want to know |
| 19:23.08 | edistar | SpeedEvil: how do you address them while programming? |
| 19:23.09 | SpeedEvil | I have previously commented that the ones mentioned ages ago in the mailing list are very poor resolution even compared with the (somewhat sucky) state of the art |
| 19:23.11 | playya | g sensors |
| 19:23.20 | SpeedEvil | as in 16 milligee versus 1 |
| 19:23.36 | SpeedEvil | which is a velocity uncertainty of 16cm/s^2, not 1cm/s^2 |
| 19:23.52 | SpeedEvil | I don't know how they are accessed in terms of liubraries |
| 19:23.54 | edistar | and will these ones be built into the neo? |
| 19:24.17 | SpeedEvil | as I understand it, they are connected over the I2C bus, and will be read through that. |
| 19:24.22 | edistar | and secondly, will OM recognize when I turn the device and rotate X? |
| 19:24.33 | SpeedEvil | edistar: probably not yet |
| 19:24.38 | edistar | I tried xrandr on my laptop, but it won't turn it :( |
| 19:24.38 | SpeedEvil | edistar: eventually - sure |
| 19:24.41 | edistar | cool |
| 19:24.48 | SpeedEvil | edistar: it only works on some drivers |
| 19:24.52 | edistar | SpeedEvil: well, the important thing is eventually :) |
| 19:24.54 | SpeedEvil | edistar: it crashes on mylappy |
| 19:24.54 | edistar | SpeedEvil: ah, ok |
| 19:25.01 | edistar | SpeedEvil: would it work with the nvidia driver? |
| 19:25.21 | SpeedEvil | edistar: I don't know. I tend not to buy top-of-the-range cards. |
| 19:25.33 | edistar | SpeedEvil: it was in my notebook.. |
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| 19:25.44 | SpeedEvil | My last several cards have cost less than a large pork joint. |
| 19:26.16 | edistar | SpeedEvil: I have a radeon 9200, really useful, passive and quite cool(temp) |
| 19:27.09 | borg_ | yes, my graphics card is passive cooled too, thats the most important feature for me :) |
| 19:27.27 | b52deb_ | :d |
| 19:27.39 | borg_ | \me is wondering why b52deb_ doesnt just ask :) |
| 19:27.41 | tuukkah | b52deb_, you had your chance and you missed it twice already ;-) |
| 19:27.43 | SpeedEvil | b52deb_: the worst that will happen is that someone hunts you down and stakes you out over an anthill after pouring honey on you, so go for it. |
| 19:28.07 | borg_ | oh |
| 19:28.09 | b52deb_ | ppl do you a university that offer distant course in embedded systems/ electonical engineerring ? |
| 19:28.13 | b52deb_ | :d |
| 19:28.31 | tuukkah | that's a very on-topic question |
| 19:29.00 | b52deb_ | well depend :d ... |
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| 19:30.36 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: looks like the calypso may not be a true quad band with only three LNA's. A more complex switch/filter would probably be required without the 4 LNAs. |
| 19:30.47 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 19:31.06 | Writchie | time for HSDPA/EDGE anyway |
| 19:31.16 | SpeedEvil | True. |
| 19:31.24 | SpeedEvil | But that's horribly messy. |
| 19:31.40 | Writchie | 7 bands |
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| 19:31.43 | edistar | Writchie: you mean the next gsm chip will have HSDPA? when will umts come? |
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| 19:32.25 | Writchie | edistar: not soon |
| 19:32.45 | playya | will the OM be released later in europe or should i save some money in decembre? |
| 19:32.52 | edistar | Writchie: I don't have money for umts anyway, but some people require it..a few friends ;) |
| 19:32.52 | SpeedEvil | IMO. |
| 19:33.02 | SpeedEvil | The chances of december are vanishingly small at this point. |
| 19:33.10 | edistar | playya: OM is an OS, neo1973 is the device |
| 19:33.13 | tuukkah | b52deb_, at least you might find some interesting reading here: http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Electrical-Engineering-and-Computer-Science/ |
| 19:33.15 | Writchie | almost < 0 |
| 19:33.25 | edistar | when will it be ready for europe? |
| 19:33.26 | SpeedEvil | Given what's been released and leaked, it looks like december might just about be hit for the distribution of dev devices |
| 19:33.30 | playya | i mentioned it as a whole project |
| 19:33.59 | SpeedEvil | but the absolute earliest for purchasable devices is likely to be months more |
| 19:34.02 | b52deb_ | tuukkah, thanks a lot for the link |
| 19:34.11 | Writchie | famous last words - just one ore spin |
| 19:34.23 | playya | ok. then i could spend more time with my EEEPC in decembre |
| 19:34.26 | Writchie | s/ore/more/ |
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| 19:34.35 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:36.24 | anrp | yay, another frequency! D: |
| 19:36.30 | Writchie | and GPU |
| 19:36.33 | anrp | ..actually, not another frequency, but another protocol |
| 19:36.35 | anrp | bt is 2.4 |
| 19:37.02 | edistar | was GPU actually needed? |
| 19:37.25 | Writchie | only to make up for software shortcomings IMNSHO |
| 19:37.34 | edistar | ok ;) |
| 19:37.40 | anrp | software shortcomings? |
| 19:37.51 | edistar | anrp: slow software |
| 19:38.00 | edistar | unnecessary slow software |
| 19:38.17 | dottedmag | edistar: it's not slow, it's alternatively fast :))) |
| 19:38.23 | torpor | you can definitely say that openmoko is unnecessarily slow right now .. |
| 19:39.00 | Writchie | while the 640x480 is very nice - its nots worth 4x speed degradation |
| 19:39.15 | edistar | heh |
| 19:39.23 | Writchie | 320x240 would be fine 99% of the time. |
| 19:39.44 | edistar | Writchie: no, VGA is brilliant, should be the new standard |
| 19:40.01 | torpor | vga rocks |
| 19:40.22 | playya | scumm is needed for OM |
| 19:40.32 | Writchie | i'd rather have a working 240x320 |
| 19:40.33 | torpor | scumm is already on OM |
| 19:40.49 | edistar | Writchie: a working VGA is the aim, and there is still time |
| 19:40.52 | playya | very good |
| 19:41.09 | playya | my symbian s40 is too lame for scumm :( |
| 19:42.11 | edistar | brr.. I don't like symbian |
| 19:42.15 | Writchie | if the WiFi and GPU were left for a next generation product (6 months ago) instead of trying to cram it all into the existing design, we would IMHO be much further along. |
| 19:42.51 | edistar | but then I would buy a device without wifi and then another with and have no money left for food ;) |
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| 19:43.03 | SpeedEvil | Personally, I need wifi. |
| 19:43.06 | Writchie | edistar: then get a job |
| 19:43.11 | tuukkah | well, for those who don't need wifi and gpu, gta01 hardware is here already |
| 19:43.13 | SpeedEvil | I am less convinced of the GPU |
| 19:43.44 | torpor | !seen raster |
| 19:43.44 | edistar | if you believe raster then the GPU is of less help than everyone thinks |
| 19:43.45 | cdbot2 | torpor, raster is right here! |
| 19:43.51 | Writchie | why do you absolutely need WiFi not, as opposed to say BT access point? |
| 19:43.54 | torpor | raster: what say you about the GPU? |
| 19:44.44 | Writchie | i'd rather have Class 1 BT than WiFi in a phone. |
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| 19:45.22 | edistar | Writchie: your choice, I can use wifi more |
| 19:45.32 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: how many BT access points are there in the country? |
| 19:45.42 | edistar | SpeedEvil: one at home :P |
| 19:45.46 | Writchie | every linux box |
| 19:45.54 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: no. |
| 19:46.04 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: every linux box that has been configured to do it. |
| 19:46.13 | SpeedEvil | Which is very dramatically from the same thing. |
| 19:46.13 | Writchie | with a $7 dongle |
| 19:46.19 | mmontour | I've found BT very buggy, and WiFi access points are a lot more common |
| 19:46.37 | SpeedEvil | And public BT points are essentially nonexistant. |
| 19:46.43 | tuukkah | somehow i never knew of this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA01_gsm_modem |
| 19:47.06 | SpeedEvil | tuukkah: it's your fault. The wiki is perfectly organised and logical. |
| 19:47.44 | CoreDump | =D |
| 19:48.03 | mmontour | Writchie: do you have a model number for a $7 BT dongle that actually works well with Linux? I've tried two $30-ish ones that both suck in different ways |
| 19:48.12 | tuukkah | SpeedEvil, without some heavy smilies, that's scary :-) |
| 19:48.23 | playya | i'm looking forward to wimax |
| 19:48.28 | edistar | why is the wiki still full of specs for software for 2007.1? I was a bit surprised |
| 19:48.42 | SpeedEvil | edistar: because you haven't edited it out yet. |
| 19:48.46 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 19:48.56 | tuukkah | now the interesting bit on that wiki page is that i get better audio quality during calls after AT@ST="-26" |
| 19:49.04 | SpeedEvil | Placid: wimax is good - but it's just anohter ISP |
| 19:49.51 | Writchie | mmontour: i've seen Bluecore 4 based dongles in volume on eBay - how do your's suck? |
| 19:50.07 | playya | but hopefully brings higher speed for wireless connections |
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| 19:50.44 | mmontour | I have an Asus one that has a less than 30cm range (although it claimed 100m or something) |
| 19:50.53 | mmontour | The other one has a MAC address of "11:11:11:11:11:11 |
| 19:51.27 | Writchie | mmontour: sounds like it isn't programmed. |
| 19:51.37 | Writchie | and the other sounds like it has no antenna |
| 19:51.38 | mmontour | has to be set to promisc mode to actually see packets, won't handle a SSH connection even though I can ping... |
| 19:51.45 | mmontour | kernel panic'd my OS X laptop, etc. |
| 19:53.11 | Writchie | mmontour: does OS/X use the BlueZ stack? |
| 19:54.36 | Kliment_ | those things support device firmware upgrade, just like the neo |
| 19:54.55 | Kliment_ | of course getting official firmware is another story |
| 19:55.05 | SpeedEvil | Kliment_: can you do non-official firmware? |
| 19:55.33 | mmontour | Writchie: I don't think so - there's no 'hcitool' command, for example (but I'm not an expert on OSX internals) |
| 19:55.34 | Kliment_ | for debug, sure |
| 19:55.34 | SpeedEvil | IOW - are there docs? |
| 19:55.47 | Kliment_ | I do have official firmware too, just not something I can distribute |
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| 19:55.54 | SpeedEvil | Kliment_: does it stay flashed? |
| 19:55.56 | Kliment_ | it comes with the $3000 kit |
| 19:56.01 | Kliment_ | yes it stays flashed |
| 19:56.18 | Kliment_ | the bt address can be changed over usb |
| 19:56.32 | Kliment_ | csr have a program to do that |
| 19:57.11 | SpeedEvil | I was meaning for making it into something other than a USB BT device - forex. Or more than a simple one. |
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| 19:57.47 | Kliment_ | SpeedEvil: yes, this is why I have the dev kit :) |
| 19:58.03 | Kliment_ | it has a little virtual machine on it that runs c |
| 19:58.11 | Kliment_ | with access to all the bt functionality |
| 19:58.16 | SpeedEvil | I really need $40K or so for bluetooth dev gear. |
| 19:58.24 | Kliment_ | you don't |
| 19:58.33 | Kliment_ | $3500 will get you rolling |
| 19:58.51 | SpeedEvil | I really want to do custom hardware stuff, and board designs, so I really - I think - need an airside protocol analyser |
| 19:58.52 | Kliment_ | get modules from a7 with the bluecore, then the dev kit to program them |
| 19:58.56 | SpeedEvil | which are spendy AIUI. |
| 19:59.14 | Kliment_ | if you want to do wifi or bt then it's pretty easy |
| 19:59.34 | Kliment_ | you can have the bluecore channel everything it sees on the air to usb |
| 19:59.55 | SpeedEvil | that's not really the same as verifying the RF output of the board you've just made though. |
| 19:59.56 | Kliment_ | for wifi you can do this with some chipsets already |
| 20:00.03 | Kliment_ | SpeedEvil: no of course not |
| 20:00.11 | Kliment_ | SpeedEvil: but how often will you need to do that? |
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| 20:00.22 | SpeedEvil | If you are going to be making and selling a BT device. |
| 20:00.45 | Kliment_ | SpeedEvil: then you use prequalified parts like all the sane people do :) |
| 20:00.56 | SpeedEvil | Too large. |
| 20:01.00 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 20:01.03 | Kliment_ | how small do you want? |
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| 20:01.25 | edistar | SpeedEvil: what are you building? |
| 20:01.29 | Kliment_ | 1cmx2cmx1mm is too large? |
| 20:02.10 | gi-el | 4.5mm2 |
| 20:02.10 | Kliment_ | if so, you get the bluecore itself which is less than half a cm squared and very thin |
| 20:02.43 | SpeedEvil | Anyway - I need to get on with clearing my greenhouse :/ |
| 20:02.44 | SpeedEvil | wave |
| 20:03.01 | gi-el | blue, green, very colorful you are |
| 20:03.12 | edistar | heh |
| 20:03.53 | Kliment_ | it's just entirely unrealistic to build and certify custom bt hardware |
| 20:04.00 | Kliment_ | and it makes no sense to do so |
| 20:04.38 | Kliment_ | even if you make boards yourself, you want the radio part prequalified |
| 20:06.04 | Writchie | Kilment_: the A7 HCI parts are vanilla Bluecore 4? |
| 20:07.09 | Kliment_ | bluecore 2 when we ordered a couple months back |
| 20:07.29 | Kliment_ | but yes, they have a voltage regulator, power filtering, bluecore and flash |
| 20:07.33 | edistar | Kliment_: what kind of work do you have? |
| 20:07.34 | Kliment_ | and that's it |
| 20:07.56 | Kliment_ | edistar: I work at a psychology department at a university, curiously |
| 20:08.04 | edistar | Kliment_: ah :P |
| 20:08.09 | edistar | funny |
| 20:08.22 | Kliment_ | we are working together with a company to make a measurement system for psychophysiology |
| 20:08.32 | Kliment_ | and we want it wireless |
| 20:08.36 | Kliment_ | thus bluetooth |
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| 20:09.02 | edistar | cool |
| 20:09.24 | hachi | HOOORJ |
| 20:09.32 | hachi | got the SD card back for the phone |
| 20:09.40 | Kliment_ | the hardware is just battery, a7 module, a/d converter and chip antenna |
| 20:09.57 | Kliment_ | and we stick a usb connector in for charging and reflashing |
| 20:10.52 | edistar | I'd like to do that kind of work.. |
| 20:11.31 | Kliment_ | we're only doing it because you can't buy things like this |
| 20:11.38 | edistar | yeah :) |
| 20:11.50 | Kliment_ | unavailability of cool stuff is what keeps me employed :) |
| 20:12.15 | hachi | :\ |
| 20:12.34 | hachi | anyone having trouble with u-boot from like 30 hours ago? |
| 20:12.38 | edistar | I'd like to build odd hardware :) |
| 20:12.45 | hachi | I'm not getting to the kernel at all |
| 20:12.45 | edistar | hachi: gta-01 or qemu? |
| 20:12.51 | hachi | 01 |
| 20:13.11 | hachi | it's iffy, once in a while it boots |
| 20:13.35 | hachi | I was running the august image prior to this, and it was incredibly consistent at booting with that one |
| 20:13.49 | edistar | hachi: so you have a dev board? |
| 20:13.51 | Kliment_ | edistar: do it, I'll outsource my job to you :) |
| 20:13.54 | hachi | no |
| 20:14.04 | edistar | Kliment_: still go to school ;) |
| 20:14.12 | mwester | edistar: he's brave. |
| 20:14.37 | mwester | hachi: There are known timing issues with recent (ok, and not-so-recent) uboot versions. |
| 20:14.56 | hachi | actually, you know I just threw the SD card in and it got a lot worse |
| 20:16.01 | hachi | nope, it's just really bad today |
| 20:16.13 | hachi | I'll switch back to the august image |
| 20:17.06 | Kliment_ | edistar: how much school do you have left? :P |
| 20:17.27 | edistar | Kliment_: one year |
| 20:17.41 | edistar | Kliment_: where do you work? so eager to change job? :P |
| 20:17.50 | Kliment_ | no, I love my job |
| 20:18.09 | edistar | Kliment_: ah.. was wondering..which uni are you at? |
| 20:18.12 | Kliment_ | but there really should be some company doing this sort of custom hardware |
| 20:18.31 | Kliment_ | instead of research departments having to break their nerves with it |
| 20:18.38 | Kliment_ | cologne, germany |
| 20:18.55 | edistar | Kliment_: can I come and visit some time? ;) I like about 1,5 h from Koeln |
| 20:19.11 | Kliment_ | really? where? |
| 20:19.20 | edistar | Kleve |
| 20:19.44 | edistar | google maps is more helpful ;) |
| 20:20.10 | Kliment_ | ah, north of Venlo |
| 20:20.14 | Kliment_ | by the border |
| 20:20.18 | edistar | Kliment_: yep |
| 20:20.31 | Kliment_ | I moved here three months back |
| 20:20.44 | edistar | Kliment_: are you german? |
| 20:20.49 | Kliment_ | no |
| 20:21.03 | edistar | k |
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| 20:21.20 | edistar | do you like germany? |
| 20:21.23 | Kliment_ | born on bulgaria originally, lived in finland for the past ten years, and now here |
| 20:21.32 | Kliment_ | well, what is germany? |
| 20:21.42 | Kliment_ | there are things to like and things not to like |
| 20:21.48 | Kliment_ | and it's not like it's the same everywhere |
| 20:22.20 | edistar | do you like the beer in cologne? |
| 20:22.33 | Kliment_ | not bad at all |
| 20:22.41 | univac | duetche beer sucks :P |
| 20:22.42 | edistar | :) |
| 20:22.45 | Kliment_ | one of the best nonbelgian beers I've had |
| 20:22.58 | edistar | univac: why? which did you try? |
| 20:23.02 | Kliment_ | univac: what do you recommend? |
| 20:23.20 | univac | polish, czech, sk |
| 20:23.38 | univac | from bulgaria i prefer only zagorka and kamenitza |
| 20:23.39 | univac | :) |
| 20:23.44 | Kliment_ | polish I have not experienced |
| 20:23.51 | edistar | czech is good, but I like belgian beer most, then german |
| 20:23.56 | Kliment_ | czech and slovak have a fair bit of variety, some I don't like |
| 20:24.05 | univac | zlaty bazant > * |
| 20:24.07 | univac | :} |
| 20:24.10 | Kliment_ | never tried |
| 20:24.17 | Kliment_ | bring me some? ;) |
| 20:24.41 | univac | maybe, when i'll buy ;-) |
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| 20:25.02 | Kliment_ | but actually, after my finnish beer experience I've really cut down on beers, and so every time I have german or belgian beer it's a pleasant surprise |
| 20:25.59 | edistar | finnish beer not good? |
| 20:26.07 | Kliment_ | not to my taste, no |
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| 20:26.16 | edistar | isn't it expensive too? |
| 20:26.33 | Kliment_ | all beer is ixpensive in finland |
| 20:26.37 | Kliment_ | expensive* |
| 20:26.40 | edistar | ok |
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| 20:30.09 | edistar | heh, well, facts are facts.. |
| 20:30.33 | CM | An icy cold Lapin Kulta in a sauna isn't that bad.. |
| 20:30.34 | Vegar | Kliment_: ever been to norway? |
| 20:31.08 | Kliment_ | only to oslo |
| 20:31.22 | Kliment_ | actually, I don; |
| 20:31.28 | Vegar | how were the beer prices? |
| 20:31.30 | Kliment_ | don't like lapin kulta at all |
| 20:31.52 | Kliment_ | Vegar: never had beer in Oslo, I was only there a few days |
| 20:32.00 | Vegar | ok |
| 20:32.07 | Kliment_ | wanted to visit a friend and see the children's art museum |
| 20:32.07 | CM | Kliment_: No favourite of mine either, but better than Koff |
| 20:32.19 | Kliment_ | most things are better than koff :P |
| 20:32.22 | CM | Hehe |
| 20:32.29 | Kliment_ | Olvi isn't, in my opinion |
| 20:33.18 | CM | Alcohol in Norway is so expensive that they buy it in Sweden instead. The swedes buy in Denmark, because that's a lot cheaper, and the Danish seem to buy in Germany because that's even cheaper |
| 20:33.19 | Kliment_ | IRC in the kitchen is one of the upsides of having a Toughbook :) |
| 20:33.27 | edistar | heheh |
| 20:33.45 | Kliment_ | between the stove and the electric kettle :) |
| 20:34.49 | Kliment_ | at 3k new they aren't much worse than Lenovo for example |
| 20:35.04 | Kliment_ | this is the consumer TB of course |
| 20:35.39 | Kliment_ | not the police/military version |
| 20:38.31 | zash | Kliment_: 3k what for what? |
| 20:38.59 | anrp | panasonic toughbook |
| 20:39.01 | Kliment_ | zash: Panasonic CF-Y7 for example |
| 20:42.41 | Kliment_ | I think that's what they go for these days |
| 20:42.46 | Kliment_ | I have a Y4 myself |
| 20:43.08 | Kliment_ | soon 2 years old, going strong |
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| 20:45.27 | Kliment_ | I actually seem to have a fair bit of kölsch in my fridge |
| 20:46.15 | edistar | Kliment_: I'll come along right now ;) |
| 20:47.21 | Kliment_ | sure |
| 20:47.26 | Kliment_ | making a fair bit of food |
| 20:47.32 | Kliment_ | wouldn't mind sharing it |
| 20:47.41 | Kliment_ | but hurry, I'm hungry |
| 20:48.37 | josch | how could this conversation go more OT than it is right now... |
| 20:49.00 | edistar | josch: start talking about.... alaska maybe? |
| 20:49.05 | josch | hrm... |
| 20:49.11 | josch | dr. house rulz! :-D |
| 20:49.15 | edistar | heh |
| 20:49.22 | anrp | in soviet russia, [...] |
| 20:49.32 | edistar | I'd like to visit tux-land some time :) |
| 20:49.36 | josch | in soviet russia, TV watches YOU |
| 20:49.40 | edistar | heh |
| 20:50.13 | josch | let's buy sealand! |
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| 20:50.41 | edistar | josch: OM can buy sealand and import neos w/o tax :) |
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| 20:51.12 | LarstiQ | josch: Dr. House was a classic xmms2 release indeed |
| 20:51.52 | josch | let's support the pirate bay in buying sealand |
| 20:52.16 | josch | let's put openmoko on sealand's feature list |
| 20:52.24 | anders_ | Oh, xmms2 |
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| 20:52.46 | anders_ | I've built a xmms2 client for openmoko. |
| 20:52.50 | josch | hey, will piratebay sealand be governed by a public wiki? :-D |
| 20:52.59 | xcasex | question, dialing does it work via the gui atm? |
| 20:53.06 | edistar | josch: and a mailinglist! |
| 20:53.14 | josch | ^^ |
| 20:53.16 | edistar | xcasex: yes |
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| 20:54.20 | xcasex | edistar: most excellent, do the people behind the project drop by in here? |
| 20:54.35 | edistar | xcasex: yes, some do sometimes |
| 20:56.03 | balrog-kun | i think most do actually |
| 20:57.47 | mwester | Although I haven't seen roh since the last argument with him. |
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| 20:58.13 | edistar | 2 days ago? |
| 20:58.22 | josch | well who of the guys idling here actually is officially FIC/openmoko personnel? |
| 20:58.45 | josch | Laf0rge sadly isn't anymore |
| 21:00.01 | LarstiQ | anders_: oh? |
| 21:00.13 | balrog-kun | josch: FIC has their agents everywhere :) |
| 21:00.20 | balrog-kun | the proper question is who isn't from FIC |
| 21:00.50 | josch | well I certainly am not from FIC ^^ |
| 21:00.59 | dottedmag | josch: can you prove it? :) |
| 21:00.59 | Kliment_ | me neither |
| 21:01.03 | balrog-kun | this only proves you are :) |
| 21:01.11 | josch | dottedmag, orm... |
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| 21:01.25 | Kliment_ | the .tw at the end of the hostname is one hint |
| 21:01.51 | anders_ | LarstiQ: Yes. |
| 21:02.06 | dottedmag | Kliment_: and cloak is definitely the way to hide the .tw :) |
| 21:02.21 | Kliment_ | hehe |
| 21:02.47 | balrog-kun | they don't like to be recognised |
| 21:02.51 | edistar | good night! have to get up early tomorrow :( 6 oO |
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| 21:03.45 | LarstiQ | anders_: I'd like to try that in the future then. |
| 21:04.21 | josch | Kliment_, yeah being finish is much cooler than being german |
| 21:04.44 | balrog-kun | a more posh one |
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| 21:05.34 | CM | balrog-kun: I thought all qemu hackers lived in posh districts ;) |
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| 21:05.46 | anders_ | LarstiQ: http://blog.0x63.nu/2007/11/openmoko-xmms2-client.html |
| 21:05.52 | Kliment_ | and edistar is on an NL host though he is in germany |
| 21:06.05 | anders_ | LarstiQ: Seems like blogger ate the screencast though.. |
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| 21:06.26 | balrog-kun | CM: they only ssh :p |
| 21:07.11 | josch | anders_, wooh! this app looks great - where are the ipks? |
| 21:07.13 | CM | anders_: Snyggt :) |
| 21:08.38 | Kliment_ | damn, my food is burning on the outside and it's not even done on the inside :( |
| 21:09.48 | roh | re |
| 21:09.48 | LarstiQ | anders_: thanks |
| 21:10.18 | CoreDump | that reminds me to make some food |
| 21:10.30 | balrog-kun | apply microwaves |
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| 21:11.08 | anders_ | josch: http://0x63.nu/files/ipkgs/ |
| 21:11.31 | josch | anders_, great! |
| 21:11.43 | anders_ | josch: Now the screencast should be there aswell. |
| 21:12.20 | josch | anders_, it is but sadly I'm not a flash user |
| 21:12.55 | anders_ | josch: Me neither |
| 21:13.10 | josch | anders_, you use gnash? |
| 21:13.37 | anders_ | josch: Let me upload the 3gp file somewhere. |
| 21:13.56 | josch | anders_, was that a request for webspace? |
| 21:14.19 | xcasex | *phone |
| 21:14.38 | CM | xcasex: I think hachi would agree with you on that ;) |
| 21:14.45 | xcasex | [Dhaha ;) |
| 21:14.59 | xcasex | so anyone know when the phase2 handsets are coming out? |
| 21:15.11 | xcasex | josch: heh i'm in bed with her smoking my cigarette ;) |
| 21:15.13 | CM | xcasex: Best guess is probably january |
| 21:15.27 | josch | xcasex, I was yesterday |
| 21:15.30 | anders_ | josch: No :) http://people.0x63.nu/~andersg/mov00117.3gp |
| 21:15.36 | josch | anders_, thx! |
| 21:15.38 | xcasex | josch: so was yo mama ! :p |
| 21:15.59 | xcasex | CM: good good, wifi still go? |
| 21:16.43 | CM | xcasex: Of course :) |
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| 21:17.02 | CM | anders_: Stabilt, kanske måste börja köra xmms2 istället för mpd nu då.. ;) |
| 21:17.21 | xcasex | vafan. hur många av svenskarna här inne jobbar för redpill :p |
| 21:17.29 | CM | Inte jag |
| 21:18.03 | josch | wetten es können mehr user mitreden wenn wir auf einmal in deutsch anfangen? :-P |
| 21:18.14 | xcasex | träffade en konsult som hade en moko nere på oss forumet runt förrförra veckan :) |
| 21:18.17 | CM | josch: Kein problem.. ;) |
| 21:18.33 | josch | CM, impressive ^^ |
| 21:18.43 | xcasex | oh oh oh i know german as well! |
| 21:18.57 | josch | this channel has gone so damn ot |
| 21:19.06 | xcasex | "kanst ich spritzen aus ehren böse mit mein grosse schvanzen!" |
| 21:19.08 | CM | josch: Nein, jemand ins schweden sprecht deutsch ;) |
| 21:19.20 | josch | s/sprecht/spricht/ |
| 21:19.24 | josch | ^^ |
| 21:19.25 | CM | josch: Yes, I agree |
| 21:19.28 | CM | Danke |
| 21:19.43 | mwester | \ignore * |
| 21:19.45 | CM | Anyway, the xmm2 client looked really nice |
| 21:19.46 | xcasex | josch: haha :D |
| 21:20.02 | xcasex | dont |
| 21:20.03 | CM | josch: Warum? |
| 21:20.05 | CM | Hehe |
| 21:20.44 | josch | maybe... back to topic? |
| 21:20.48 | balrog-kun | jag har tomat ketchup i frysen |
| 21:20.58 | balrog-kun | i can speak it too :) |
| 21:21.07 | josch | CM, personal reason with the german government spying on us |
| 21:21.20 | xcasex | josch: anyway, you do have a neo unit though? |
| 21:21.22 | CM | balrog-kun: lol |
| 21:21.29 | josch | xcasex, yeah I do |
| 21:21.31 | Kliment_ | what's this with the german government |
| 21:21.36 | Kliment_ | I live here, I want to know |
| 21:21.49 | josch | I use it for mokopedia and pygsmd development |
| 21:21.52 | xcasex | josch: works on a daily basis send/receive calls & sms's ? |
| 21:22.07 | josch | xcasex, I work do make this possible ^^ |
| 21:22.28 | xcasex | josch: oh awesome. i want to get off the htc s710i crackberry replica |
| 21:22.30 | xcasex | :D |
| 21:22.33 | josch | you can work on a daily basis with it if you use libgsmd-tool imho |
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| 21:23.52 | xcasex | bbl |
| 21:23.56 | josch | Kliment_, you can read everything about it on heise.de http://www.heise.de/ct/hintergrund/meldung/95584 |
| 21:24.18 | josch | Kliment_, they report about all the idiotic stuff going on here on a daily basis |
| 21:24.52 | Kliment_ | oh, this thing, yeah |
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| 21:25.35 | josch | Kliment_, if this is not changed by our bundesverfassungsgericht (court for rights) I will leave this country |
| 21:26.52 | Kliment_ | that sounds like http://xkcd.com/180/ |
| 21:27.11 | balrog-kun | they should name a ubuntu release bundesverfassungsgericht or some other german word |
| 21:27.49 | Kliment_ | I moved here to be able to do the things that interest me |
| 21:27.58 | josch | balrog-kun, lol |
| 21:29.28 | balrog-kun | haha |
| 21:30.12 | Kliment_ | but of course it's always a compromise, no matter where I live |
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| 21:46.18 | ixs | balrog-kun: for releasenames with german sounding names we've got grml. |
| 21:46.50 | ixs | balrog-kun: but in general, I'm waiting for horny hamster... |
| 21:48.33 | balrog-kun | ixs: nah, Horny Hamster sounds more like a kernel release |
| 21:49.23 | ixs | balrog-kun: nope. it's a sucky ubuntu release. |
| 21:49.29 | mwester | ignoble iguana would be next? |
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| 21:50.27 | balrog-kun | weren't ubuntu versions single word names? |
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| 21:56.38 | josch | my girlfriend makes fun of me and runs across our flat shouting "moko! mokomoko!!" like a pokemon... |
| 21:56.50 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 21:57.07 | SpeedEvil | The only question is what you turn into when you evolve. |
| 21:57.14 | josch | lol |
| 21:57.48 | mmp | josch: use moko's silencing attack :) |
| 21:58.30 | josch | thx for the tip guys - evil android stands no chance across my little mokomon! |
| 21:58.47 | josch | s/across/against/ |
| 22:01.04 | ixs | balrog-kun: nope. ubuntu were always a two word alliteration. |
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| 22:04.42 | hachi | CM: not so much actually... except MAYBE for prototyping |
| 22:06.19 | balrog-kun | oh, feisty fawn! what else could be feisty if now fawn |
| 22:06.36 | balrog-kun | dumb me |
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| 22:50.22 | hachi | so, the marker on the wiki that says all phones don't include the binary driver |
| 22:50.27 | hachi | links to an email from sean |
| 22:50.49 | hachi | says "This should be very soon" in regards to getting the binary drivers available in july |
| 22:51.04 | hachi | is this the last status of the gps drivers? |
| 22:51.18 | josch | there is an eula in the works by fic |
| 22:51.54 | josch | they will allow it if the eula is complete so that everyone using gllin can accept the eula prior to using it |
| 22:52.18 | anrp | its been in the works for a while :/ |
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| 22:53.44 | tuukkah | there were progress reports from reverse engineers at some point too |
| 22:54.02 | hachi | is this same sort of latency to be expected from the same chipset that will be in the GTA02? |
| 22:54.21 | hachi | s/same chipset/chipset |
| 22:54.46 | abraxa__ | hachi: The chip in GTA02 needs no driver |
| 22:54.58 | hachi | ahh good |
| 22:55.02 | josch | it's atheros gps |
| 22:55.04 | hachi | oh, I see that now, dang |
| 22:55.08 | hachi | sorry I missed that |
| 22:55.19 | ckuethe | josch: atmel/ublox |
| 22:55.27 | ckuethe | not atheros |
| 22:55.38 | ckuethe | unless it changed again. |
| 22:55.51 | hachi | wiki says atmel still |
| 22:56.12 | balrog-kun | antaris |
| 22:56.43 | ckuethe | yes, the antaris is an atmel/ublox part |
| 22:56.47 | ckuethe | i like them a lot |
| 22:57.04 | balrog-kun | i liked it also from looking at the datasheet |
| 22:57.14 | balrog-kun | i saw no mention of atmel anywhere though |
| 22:57.26 | hachi | http://www.u-blox.com/products/atr0635.html |
| 22:57.37 | hachi | says 'semiconductor tech provided by atmel' |
| 22:57.54 | balrog-kun | ah okay |
| 22:58.13 | ckuethe | ublox writes the firmware, atmel melts sand. between the two of them they build a gps that doesn't suck |
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| 23:56.14 | webjames | hey are we still on gta02v4? |
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| 23:59.00 | webjames | okay, so if i brought one from the shop, i would receive a gta01? |
| 23:59.04 | webjames | $300 |
| 23:59.08 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 23:59.33 | webjames | okay with gta02v4 coming december sometime |
| 23:59.37 | bagpuss_thecat | oh dear, SpeedEvil too :-) |
| 23:59.42 | SpeedEvil | I really doubt december. |