IRC log for #openmoko on 20071119

`00:00.11`	`abraxa_`	`shred: For now anything you can throw at gstreamer and the plugins you installed`
`00:00.27`	`abraxa_`	`Later on, anything you can throw at mplayer`
`00:00.44`	`abraxa_`	`MUCH later on, anything you can throw at the SMedia 3224`
`00:01.12`	`shred`	`what resolution does the cpu support? full 640x480?`
`00:01.24`	`thomasg`	`of course`
`00:01.47`	`SpeedEvil`	`no`
`00:01.51`	`SpeedEvil`	`480*640`
`00:02.27`	`shred`	`so mpeg4 480x640 should work with sound?`
`00:02.29`	`SpeedEvil`	`Unfortunately, it's not a meaningless distinction for the current hardware`
`00:02.30`	`raster`	`you just may drop some frames`
`00:02.33`	`raster`	`:)`
`00:02.40`	`SpeedEvil`	`as rotation is _very_ expensive`
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`00:03.17`	`SpeedEvil`	`As a ballpark - the current hardware can pretty much keep up with a VCD rate video at 320*240 or so`
`00:03.26`	`SpeedEvil`	`without rotation, skipping the occasional frame`
`00:03.44`	`SpeedEvil`	`add rotation, and it drops a fair way.`
`00:04.00`	`shred`	`ok cool`
`00:04.05`	`thomasg`	`I also tried 320x240 with 18 fps at 500 bps or so and it was ok`
`00:04.11`	`thomasg`	`*kbps`
`00:05.08`	`SpeedEvil`	`Hmm.`
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`00:15.43`	`anrp`	`cheers?`
`00:15.47`	`anrp`	`sw rotation is a necessary evil`
`00:15.53`	`anrp`	`not something to be happy about ~_~`
`00:16.46`	`anrp`	`hopefully the drivers on 02 will allow hw rotation`
`00:17.51`	`SpeedEvil`	`It's only needed if you assume a major use-case is to play completely random videos`
`00:18.09`	`SpeedEvil`	`if you're happy wiht an automatic transcoding thingy on the desktop, then...`
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`00:23.20`	`thomasg`	`what's so bad with software rotation?`
`00:23.31`	`anrp`	`slow`
`00:23.37`	`anrp`	`and a terrible memory access pattern`
`00:23.52`	`anrp`	`so its hard to accelerate`
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`00:32.59`	`abraxa_`	`anrp: Software video decoding will probably be a no-go on GTA02 so we may be left with only hw-MPEG4`
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`00:35.16`	`anrp`	`a no-go?`
`00:35.18`	`anrp`	`why?`
`00:38.18`	`balrog-kun`	`it should be better than it is on GTA01`
`00:38.21`	`abraxa_`	`Cause the channel between CPU and framebuffer will have less bandwidth - I doubt anyone has numbers, though, so worst case scenario is that even 320x240x20fps will demand too much`
`00:39.00`	`anrp`	`less bw?`
`00:39.03`	`SpeedEvil`	`I dunno. If it's attached to the memory bus, there shouldn't be a problem`
`00:39.05`	`anrp`	`that seems .. unlikely`
`00:39.11`	`anrp`	`pretty sure its just mapped in the address space`
`00:39.26`	`balrog-kun`	`and btw many codecs are built on the same ideas that MPEG and if the hardware can do fourier transformations then the decoders for other codecs can use that too`
`00:39.32`	`SpeedEvil`	`it can't`
`00:39.35`	`SpeedEvil`	`reportedly`
`00:39.40`	`SpeedEvil`	`it's not general purpose DSP`
`00:39.45`	`anrp`	`wrong term`
`00:39.47`	`SpeedEvil`	`it's specified codecs only`
`00:39.53`	`anrp`	`(inverse) discrete cosine transform`
`00:39.56`	`anrp`	`fft is something else D:`
`00:39.58`	`SpeedEvil`	`apparantly`
`00:40.17`	`SpeedEvil`	`which is annoying, as it can't do sound`
`00:40.31`	`SpeedEvil`	`which means you've gotta have the CPU on to do sound, which is a pity`
`00:40.34`	`anrp`	`i think someone wrote an integer fft for arm .. i vaguely recall looking for it`
`00:40.39`	`anrp`	`*at it`
`00:40.40`	`balrog-kun`	`anrp: oops, right`
`00:40.54`	`anrp`	`you'd use the fft for equalization`
`00:40.57`	`anrp`	`usually`
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`00:41.52`	`balrog-kun`	`and for mp3 coding/decoding afaik`
`00:41.52`	`SpeedEvil`	`what'd be lovely would be a chip that could take a list of blocks off the SD card to play video/audio from, and it'd just do it, with the CPU completely off`
`00:42.18`	`SpeedEvil`	`but...`
`00:42.26`	`anrp`	`that would almost be a general purpose cpu`
`00:42.26`	`anrp`	`:p`
`00:42.55`	`SpeedEvil`	`Getting close.`
`00:43.14`	`SpeedEvil`	`As I understand it all of the MP3 decoder chips available are in fact little DSPs running canned programs.`
`00:43.26`	`SpeedEvil`	`optimised of course, but...`
`00:43.32`	`anrp`	`i'm pretty sure there's enough power in the lower speed modes in the CPU to do sw decoding of audio`
`00:43.37`	`anrp`	`so it shouldn't be too bad a hit`
`00:43.41`	`SpeedEvil`	`andred_: 60Mhz`
`00:43.49`	`SpeedEvil`	`or so for 128K mp3`
`00:43.57`	`balrog-kun`	`the glamo already does SD and MPEG in one chip, it's pretty qualiied to be extended to do what SpeedEvil proposes too`
`00:44.16`	`SpeedEvil`	`Umm. extension means you fab a whole new chip prolly`
`00:44.22`	`anrp`	`hehe`
`00:44.24`	`narcoclepsy`	`are they going to put 802.11.b on these phones?`
`00:44.24`	`balrog-kun`	`yeah..`
`00:44.26`	`anrp`	`or pay more for a flash version`
`00:44.29`	`anrp`	`if it exists`
`00:44.34`	`SpeedEvil`	`A substantial chunk of a million.`
`00:44.42`	`SpeedEvil`	`probably.`
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`00:45.01`	`anrp`	`i'd think over a million`
`00:45.02`	`SpeedEvil`	`More than a million if it doesn't work first time`
`00:45.06`	`anrp`	`unless they're designed around custom fab rubs`
`00:45.07`	`anrp`	`*runs`
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`00:45.52`	`SpeedEvil`	`on hte order of a million is probably around right.`
`00:46.02`	`SpeedEvil`	`.1M-10M certainly covers it`
`00:46.04`	`anrp`	`basically, A Lot(tm)`
`00:46.09`	`SpeedEvil`	`yeah`
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`00:47.50`	`narcoclepsy`	`i've been keeping track of the phone for a while now and i just can't seem to justify dumping 450 for non-wireless :-/`
`00:47.58`	`narcoclepsy`	`i suppose i will have to remain patient :-)`
`00:48.07`	`anrp`	`you can wait`
`00:48.09`	`anrp`	`and wait`
`00:48.11`	`anrp`	`and wait...`
`00:48.11`	`narcoclepsy`	`ha`
`00:48.34`	`narcoclepsy`	`that sounds like i should just bite it and get one.`
`00:48.56`	`anrp`	`well, Supposedly, december is when 02 is coming out`
`00:49.05`	`anrp`	`from the copious amount of details released :p`
`00:49.31`	`narcoclepsy`	`well thats not long :-)`
`00:49.32`	`anrp`	`02 will be better in most respects`
`00:49.44`	`anrp`	`well not most, i guess, but some`
`00:49.51`	`anrp`	`better cpu, gfx`
`00:49.51`	`narcoclepsy`	`my phone is about dead anyway after a year :-/`
`00:50.19`	`narcoclepsy`	`will you still be able to get the "developer" box even though its commercially ready?`
`00:50.27`	`narcoclepsy`	`i want all the cool stuff to play with it as well`
`00:50.43`	`anrp`	`you well`
`00:50.44`	`balrog-kun`	`it won't be buyable in december`
`00:50.51`	`anrp`	`but the dev box of 02 will be $600`
`00:50.57`	`narcoclepsy`	`shit.`
`00:51.20`	`anrp`	`also, that's an .. optimistic .. outlook, if you think it's going to be ready for consumers :/`
`00:51.26`	`narcoclepsy`	`i just read the /topic aparently i am not to ask about 02 :-)`
`00:51.34`	`anrp`	`by december`
`00:51.37`	`anrp`	`although i'd like to be wrong`
`00:52.24`	`narcoclepsy`	`so right there it said the 02 will have wifi`
`00:52.33`	`narcoclepsy`	`so for 600 bucks ill be set apparently.`
`00:52.37`	`anrp`	`nod`
`00:52.42`	`narcoclepsy`	`hmm.`
`00:52.58`	`anrp`	`if you don't play with u-boot you might be able to get away with the non-dev-box ver`
`00:53.16`	`narcoclepsy`	`i just want to code on it`
`00:53.16`	`balrog-kun`	`(afaik it also won't be buyable in january)`
`00:53.24`	`narcoclepsy`	`i don't know what u-boot is`
`00:53.32`	`anrp`	`balrog-kun: on a hunch, or a source? :o`
`00:53.35`	`anrp`	`the bootloader`
`00:53.46`	`anrp`	`basically if you fuck the bootloader you need the dev board to reload it`
`00:53.46`	`narcoclepsy`	`like grub for the phone`
`00:54.03`	`narcoclepsy`	`i shouldn't have to mess with that i would imagine`
`00:54.08`	`anrp`	`probably not`
`00:54.39`	`narcoclepsy`	`cool. thanks for the info.`
`00:54.44`	`narcoclepsy`	`ill keep that in mine`
`00:54.47`	`narcoclepsy`	`(d)`
`00:55.08`	`balrog-kun`	`anrp: i read the first run on 500 devices for developers would be on Dec 17 if nothing goes wrong then there's no more parts for at least two months`
`00:55.14`	`balrog-kun`	`s/on/of/`
`00:55.45`	`anrp`	`i could believe that`
`00:55.52`	`anrp`	`that's pretty sad though, since stock will likely run out`
`00:56.01`	`anrp`	`quick ...`
`00:56.45`	`balrog-kun`	`the parts they have for the 500 units is the ones that they have in store now which were used for testing and design etc and some of them are not the final versions that will ship in the buyable units`
`00:59.36`	`balrog-kun`	`(for example the cpu)`
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`01:36.29`	`DukeOfURL`	`SpeedEvil: what does it mean when a GPS chip is "20 channel" or "32 channel"?`
`01:38.12`	`DukeOfURL`	`hmmm'`
`01:39.08`	`DukeOfURL`	`i'm looking at data sheets, and all the chips have ~40s warm start, irrespective of the number of channels`
`01:40.50`	`SpeedEvil`	`DukeOfURL: number of satellites it can track`
`01:41.04`	`SpeedEvil`	`the 40s is because the navigation messages shortest cycle is 30s`
`01:41.27`	`DukeOfURL`	`but ther aren't 32 satellites--why 32 channels?`
`01:44.52`	`balrog-kun`	`how many satellites are there?`
`01:46.38`	`balrog-kun`	`the simulation in qemu has 16 satellites and i was wondering if it would make sense to take the date from system clock and increase the number of simulated satellites as years pass`
`01:46.45`	`DukeOfURL`	`I think 24`
`01:47.22`	`balrog-kun`	`ah ok, i will set it to 24 :)`
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`01:58.52`	`anrp`	`er`
`01:59.03`	`anrp`	`you're never going to see more than maybe 12 sats at once in the real world`
`01:59.07`	`anrp`	`open sky, flat ground`
`01:59.13`	`anrp`	`in a city is less...`
`02:00.46`	`ckuethe`	`12 is actually quite easy these days`
`02:00.55`	`ckuethe`	`especially if you factor in WAAS`
`02:01.04`	`anrp`	`??`
`02:01.19`	`anrp`	`waas doesn't affect how many satellites you get, it affects (increases) your precision`
`02:01.22`	`ckuethe`	`wide area augmentation system.`
`02:01.45`	`ckuethe`	`WAAS is transmitted from geosynchronous satellites`
`02:01.52`	`anrp`	`huh?`
`02:01.54`	`anrp`	`dude`
`02:02.03`	`ckuethe`	`ublox receivers can track them, and use them as part of the navigation solution`
`02:02.13`	`anrp`	`hmm`
`02:02.16`	`anrp`	`..`
`02:02.37`	`ckuethe`	`the one in my window is using PRN122 now`
`02:02.41`	`anrp`	`you're right`
`02:03.06`	`anrp`	`still, it shouldn't increase the # of satellites you can recieve`
`02:03.20`	`ckuethe`	`depends on the chipset ;)`
`02:03.25`	`anrp`	`just tell you the probable delay variation`
`02:03.51`	`ckuethe`	`SiRF chips don't use ranging data from the WAAS birds, ublox does.`
`02:04.38`	`anrp`	`ahh`
`02:04.39`	`ckuethe`	`so one sunny afternoon, i was tracking 11 NAVSTAR PRNs and 1 WAAS PRN on my sirf2,`
`02:04.45`	`anrp`	`that's different, but that makes sense`
`02:04.57`	`ckuethe`	`the ublox right beside it was tracking the same 11 NAVSTAR, and 2 WAAS`
`02:05.15`	`anrp`	`there just isn't more than 12 normal sats to see from the surface of the earth`
`02:05.23`	`anrp`	`but since there's more than just the normal sats ...`
`02:05.28`	`ckuethe`	`that won't be true for long`
`02:05.34`	`anrp`	`its true for now :)`
`02:05.40`	`ckuethe`	`there are plenty of spares in orbit`
`02:06.07`	`ckuethe`	`.af.mil is/has been testing what happens with a larger almanac size`
`02:06.59`	`anrp`	`well more sats is good for all`
`02:07.07`	`anrp`	`multiple sat networks is almost better`
`02:07.29`	`anrp`	`gps/glonass/galileo`
`02:07.38`	`ckuethe`	`i'd prefer multiple frequencies`
`02:07.45`	`ckuethe`	`then multiple networks`
`02:07.56`	`anrp`	`... multiple networks are on different freqs, generally`
`02:08.05`	`anrp`	`although galileo is multiple freq to begin with`
`02:08.09`	`anrp`	`GPS is getting upgraded iirc`
`02:08.48`	`ckuethe`	`galileo civil service was designed to run in two bands from the get go - receivers are probably being built with that assumption`
`02:09.15`	`ckuethe`	`it'd be nice if my $39 usb gps would work with navstar L1C and L5C...`
`02:09.27`	`anrp`	`too bad that that increases receiver complexity .. but the accuracy is sometimes worth it`
`02:09.29`	`ckuethe`	`alas, that's probably 5-7yr down the road`
`02:09.43`	`ckuethe`	`and god only knows when galileo will actually make some progress`
`02:09.54`	`ckuethe`	`too much political crap is holding them back`
`02:09.59`	`anrp`	`always fun`
`02:10.06`	`ckuethe`	`the us got that part right with navstar`
`02:10.31`	`anrp`	`well its military-turned-everyone`
`02:10.41`	`ckuethe`	`we-the-gov't, hereby order you-the-military to go forth and build us a navigation system`
`02:10.43`	`anrp`	`the military doing it for itself, theres no politics involved for the most part`
`02:10.48`	`anrp`	`just budgeting`
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`02:12.06`	`ckuethe`	`the problem with navstar is that it works too well`
`02:12.33`	`anrp`	`that's hardly a problem`
`02:12.39`	`ckuethe`	`there's not enough wrong with it to cause people to step up with bags full of money to build the next new system`
`02:13.08`	`anrp`	`L1+correction data is good enough for most purposes`
`02:13.16`	`ckuethe`	`exactly`
`02:13.17`	`anrp`	`and if its not good enough then you probably already have the $ to spend on better receivers`
`02:13.22`	`anrp`	`so eh, whatever`
`02:13.41`	`ckuethe`	`see above... no real incentive to build something much better`
`02:13.58`	`ckuethe`	`no one in europe wants to fund galileo, so the project office is trying to appropriate funds from agricultural budgets snicker`
`02:14.24`	`ckuethe`	`"wants" -> concerted political will`
`02:14.33`	`anrp`	`well, gps is free, and it works... just comes down to do you trust the US, which is a valid question to ask`
`02:14.49`	`ckuethe`	`indeed`
`02:15.30`	`anrp`	`although russia and india are working to refurbish glonass, so if that actually happens then you'll have two military-funded-everyone-accessible networks to use`
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`02:15.59`	`ckuethe`	`i think that not enough people would be severely hurt (or they haven't realized it yet) by the disappearance of GPS to really put some effort in.`
`02:16.00`	`anrp`	`even less reason for galileo D:`
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`02:16.17`	`anrp`	`not enough?`
`02:16.22`	`ckuethe`	`india's kicking in to glonass? i though theirs was called "GAGAN"`
`02:16.29`	`anrp`	`pretty sure i read about that`
`02:16.59`	`ckuethe`	`i know that .ru has committed to constellation completion and replenishment by end of 2009`
`02:17.04`	`anrp`	`but.. gps isn't going anywhere, the FAA pushed the military to make it permanent so that they can allow it to be used with IFR`
`02:18.01`	`ckuethe`	`"not enough." europe likes to whine about the dependence on gps, but no one is actually funding the necessary work. to me that says they don't really care.`
`02:18.11`	`ckuethe`	`s/gps/navstar/`
`02:18.38`	`ckuethe`	`i guess .ru will have an easier time finishing glonass if .in helps`
`02:18.46`	`anrp`	`the only reason to would be a sense of political independance`
`02:19.06`	`ckuethe`	`plenty of upscale vendors (topcon, javad, novatel) making glonass capable gear`
`02:19.15`	`ckuethe`	`i wonder if they'll switch to CDMA`
`02:19.22`	`anrp`	`switch`
`02:19.22`	`anrp`	`??`
`02:19.27`	`anrp`	`that's not the kind of thing you just switch :P`
`02:19.29`	`ckuethe`	`yes, glonass is FDMA`
`02:19.32`	`anrp`	`that would take decades`
`02:19.48`	`DukeOfURL`	`on 9/11/2001 in the afternoon, I was sitting on top of Poison Spider Mesa in Moab. I had a Garmin on the handlebars of my mountain bike. The receiver regsitered zilch, nada, nothing.`
`02:19.52`	`cjb_ie`	`i'd love to see dual glonass+navstar capable chipsets hitting the mainstream`
`02:19.53`	`ckuethe`	`the rumor mill says it's being considered`
`02:20.21`	`cjb_ie`	`i gather glonass should be better at higher latitudes too as it has 65% declination instead of 55%`
`02:20.28`	`ckuethe`	`probably`
`02:20.35`	`cjb_ie`	`that is, the satellite orbits do`
`02:20.44`	`ckuethe`	`.ru understands the concept of "it's gotta work up north"`
`02:20.45`	`DukeOfURL`	`It was absolutely quiet. No planes, no contrails, no noise at all.`
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`02:21.03`	`DukeOfURL`	`But I did assume they turned the GPS system off.`
`02:21.35`	`anrp`	`doubt it`
`02:21.37`	`anrp`	`strongly`
`02:21.49`	`ckuethe`	`DukeOfURL: i think it's safe to assume that one of the primary reasons that the new satellites are incapable of SA is that there are more subtle techniques`
`02:22.03`	`ckuethe`	`.mil has said as much`
`02:22.04`	`cjb_ie`	`well, if all flights were grounded that day...`
`02:22.12`	`DukeOfURL`	`SA?`
`02:22.27`	`cjb_ie`	`selective availability`
`02:22.28`	`ckuethe`	`they have the capability to regionally deny the use of GPS without messing the clocks too bad`
`02:22.53`	`ckuethe`	`SA = an attempt to degrade the accuracy of civilian GPS by adding noise/jitter to the clock`
`02:22.58`	`ckuethe`	`not much mind you`
`02:23.08`	`DukeOfURL`	`The FAA is publishing GPS ILS approaches.`
`02:23.09`	`ckuethe`	`just about 100m`
`02:23.09`	`anrp`	`just an order of magnitude`
`02:23.11`	`cjb_ie`	`yeah, a friend of mine reported that using an etrex in shenyang in china, over a period of months, the best fix he ever got was of the order of 100 metres`
`02:23.17`	`ckuethe`	`a football field or so`
`02:23.21`	`cjb_ie`	`the same etrex happily gave 5m fixes in ireland.`
`02:23.42`	`anrp`	`without knowing the noise environment, that doesn't mean much`
`02:23.58`	`anrp`	`it could be degraded on purpose, it could be loaded with EM`
`02:24.02`	`anrp`	`*EMI`
`02:24.16`	`DukeOfURL`	`Anyhow, my Garmin was unable to acquire any satellites that afternoon...`
`02:24.17`	`cjb_ie`	`well, he tried it out in the countryside too, not just in the city - same result`
`02:24.44`	`ckuethe`	`it wouldn't surprise me in the least if .mil had global zones of navstar quality`
`02:24.57`	`cjb_ie`	`ditto - it wouldn't surprise me at all`
`02:24.58`	`ckuethe`	`north america gets 2m`
`02:25.04`	`ckuethe`	`south america gets 10m`
`02:25.29`	`cjb_ie`	`ckuethe: well, isn't that because there's a bunch of waas monitoring stations in NA ?`
`02:25.29`	`ckuethe`	`countries engaged in trade wars get 100m`
`02:25.31`	`ckuethe`	`etc.`
`02:25.52`	`anrp`	`we got high accuracy in singapore with some consumer units shipped there on a robot`
`02:26.05`	`anrp`	`so it's gotta be pretty precise denial if that's happening`
`02:26.23`	`ckuethe`	`i think the military would like us to arrive at that conclusion`
`02:26.31`	`anrp`	`hoo boy, a conspiracy`
`02:26.43`	`ckuethe`	`too lazy to go fish through my journal articles for a quote from the brass`
`02:29.44`	`ckuethe`	`the logic is pretty sound though:`
`02:29.44`	`ckuethe`	`a) selective availability was both a pain in the ass and fairly easy to defeat`
`02:29.45`	`ckuethe`	`b) selective availability will no longer be used or even possible`
`02:29.45`	`ckuethe`	`c) they're not going to deploy a system without some sort of way to deny precision gps`
`02:29.45`	`ckuethe`	`d) there must be some new technique they're not talking about...`
`02:29.47`	`SpeedEvil`	`The more recent satellites have enhanced regionalisation`
`02:30.04`	`SpeedEvil`	`so they can selectively reduce accuracy to some areas`
`02:30.13`	`SpeedEvil`	`also they have 'spot beams'`
`02:30.24`	`SpeedEvil`	`which are military code, and 100* the normal power`
`02:30.31`	`ckuethe`	`taking a page from the WAAS playbook, eh?`
`02:30.42`	`DukeOfURL`	`looking at this: http://www.micro-modular.com/`
`02:30.59`	`cjb_ie`	`directional antennae`
`02:31.02`	`SpeedEvil`	`To some extend if you have IP connectivity, you don't care about the navigation messages the satellites broadcast`
`02:31.21`	`SpeedEvil`	`as all you need to know is that the signal is the same over an area`
`02:31.35`	`SpeedEvil`	`and several sites delay reports`
`02:33.57`	`ckuethe`	`hm. that micromodular looks like a unav part`
`02:34.10`	`ckuethe`	`orion is one of unav's navigation engines`
`02:36.28`	`ckuethe`	`yep. the orion proprietary messages are $PUNV`
`02:37.04`	`ckuethe`	`unav's hardware is pretty good, but the firmware is lam`
`02:37.07`	`ckuethe`	`lame`
`02:37.08`	`anrp`	`says orion in the datasheet :/`
`02:37.26`	`ckuethe`	`right... but orion is a unav product`
`02:38.08`	`ckuethe`	`also, the orion firmware doesn't support 1PPS output even though the hardware can do it`
`02:38.44`	`ckuethe`	`the itrax03 from fastrax is a unav chip, but running the isuite firmware... which is much nicer`
`02:39.00`	`mjr`	`..."Orion" is always overloaded with the drive in my mind`
`02:41.22`	`ckuethe`	`hm. it looks like they unbroke 1pps`
`02:41.53`	`ckuethe`	`last time i looked, orion couldn't do 1pps`
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`03:00.18`	`hachi`	`openmoko-devel-image-1.0-r0 failed sometime in the last 24 hours, so I try again`
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`03:06.58`	`rwhitby`	`hachi: mwester and I fixed some stuff yesterday`
`03:10.18`	`hachi`	`I see`
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`03:41.17`	`mwester-n`	`hachi, congrats! :)`
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`04:36.55`	`kramer__`	`has anyone tried ctypes from python (2.5.1-ml2)? oe builds with distro=OM or angstrom dont seem to build (or even configure) the _ctypes module.`
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`05:47.39`	`CM`	`kramer__: poke mickey_away about it, he's doing all the python work in OE`
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`06:03.38`	`kramer__`	`CM: thanks for the tip; i'm new to this and assume by 'poke' you mean ask(?)`
`06:04.12`	`CM`	`yes :)`
`06:04.57`	`CM`	`kramer__: mickey_away is a busy guy, but if you can catch him here I'm sure he'll be happy to help`
`06:11.57`	`kramer__`	`CM: that would be great, i've been going through various python-XX-manifest files with his name in them and figure he's the one to ask.`
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`06:34.17`	`zdanek`	`hello all, anybody awake?`
`06:34.49`	`zdanek`	`I guess not :D`
`06:37.35`	`ljp`	`nope`
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`06:53.10`	`atul`	`Can any one know that sqlite problem get solve or not on build 2007.2 environment`
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`06:55.38`	`CM`	`ljp: What's broken?`
`06:55.54`	`CM`	`balrog-kun was trying to fix some flashing problems yesterday`
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`07:00.26`	`CM`	`~hail CIA-14`
`07:00.27`	`apt`	`ACTION bows down to CIA-14 and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"`
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`07:13.31`	`zdanek`	`hi ll`
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`07:13.46`	`zdanek`	`\s\ll\all\`
`07:13.54`	`zdanek`	`i can't use that damn thing :)`
`07:14.03`	`zdanek`	`hi all`
`07:14.07`	`zdanek`	`i mean`
`07:14.54`	`zdanek`	`does anybody know if path for bug 876 is put in latest kernel?`
`07:14.55`	`zdanek`	`http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=876`
`07:15.11`	`zdanek`	`this is my holy grail i've been looking for`
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`07:20.58`	`ljp`	`CM: well for one, fatal error: opening dependency file audio/audio.d`
`07:21.51`	`CM`	`Hmm.. The change he did as far as I know was only to increase the flash size`
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`07:37.39`	`hachi`	`AUGH`
`07:37.42`	`hachi`	`nooooo`
`07:37.48`	`CM`	`?`
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`07:37.58`	`hachi`	`CM, flashed the u-boot on my phone`
`07:38.07`	`CM`	`Again?`
`07:38.08`	`hachi`	`it now flashes, and doesn't turn on :\`
`07:38.13`	`hachi`	`no, I didn't do it last night`
`07:38.14`	`CM`	`Ouch.. :(`
`07:38.20`	`CM`	`Ah, ok`
`07:38.23`	`CM`	`:-/`
`07:38.32`	`hachi`	`well, guess it's time to find a debug board`
`07:38.35`	`hachi`	`or make a friend`
`07:38.39`	`CM`	`Hehe`
`07:39.01`	`horvatj73`	`hachi: where r u?`
`07:39.12`	`CM`	`hachi: Damn..`
`07:39.14`	`hachi`	`SF bay area, california, US`
`07:39.19`	`horvatj73`	`;-(`
`07:39.29`	`CM`	`hachi: Was it a GTA01v4 or v3 that you had?`
`07:39.39`	`hachi`	`V4`
`07:39.51`	`CM`	`Ok, then it was the right uboot at least`
`07:39.52`	`hachi`	`I built my own uboot and decided to try it`
`07:40.06`	`hachi`	`so I didn't use yours, big mistake :)`
`07:40.32`	`CM`	`Can you start it by holding in aux and connect with dfu?`
`07:40.39`	`hachi`	`I have another friend who has a V3, I think`
`07:40.47`	`hachi`	`no, it just flashes even with aux down`
`07:40.55`	`CM`	`hachi: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_San_Francisco`
`07:41.18`	`CM`	`Lucky bastard.. There's not a single person with a debugboard in the whole of Sweden..`
`07:41.41`	`hachi`	`silicon valley :)`
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`07:41.51`	`CM`	`Hehe`
`07:42.19`	`hachi`	`:\`
`07:42.23`	`hachi`	`none of them on IRC, it seems`
`07:43.47`	`hachi`	`scratch that`
`07:43.51`	`hachi`	`it was a timing glitch or something`
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`07:44.01`	`hachi`	`uboot came up now... no kernel it seems?`
`07:44.41`	`hachi`	`(I gave it a break without the battery)`
`07:44.41`	`hachi`	`hey sweet, I can get into the dfu`
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`07:47.39`	`CM`	`hachi: Ah, nice :)`
`07:47.55`	`hachi`	`so lucky`
`07:48.37`	`hachi`	`audio's working today too`
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`07:55.43`	`zdanek`	`anybody knows if it's in latest kernel? http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=876`
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`07:58.44`	`hachi`	`I don't see it yet`
`08:00.59`	`blindcoder`	`moin`
`08:03.42`	`hachi`	`zdanek: no sign of it in my build (from about 6 hours ago)`
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`08:15.56`	`zdanek`	`hachi: thx`
`08:16.25`	`zdanek`	`hachi: is possible for you to include this patch and set you build for public?`
`08:16.28`	`zdanek`	`eg. for me?`
`08:16.39`	`zdanek`	`I don't have production env set up`
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`08:17.06`	`CM`	`zdanek: Ask ScaredyCat or mwester maybe :)`
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`08:18.15`	`hachi`	`yeah, cause I don't have a clue yet`
`08:18.51`	`hachi`	`http://hachi.dyndns.org:8888/~hachi/moko/neo1973/ # mah builds for the moment`
`08:18.56`	`zdanek`	`CM: I will`
`08:19.31`	`zdanek`	`ScaredyCat or mwester - are you guys online?`
`08:19.48`	`zdanek`	`...and listening?`
`08:22.02`	`CM`	`mwester: is in us, so probably sleeping, and ScaredyCat is just being lazy ;)`
`08:26.14`	`zdanek`	`ehe`
`08:35.14`	`zdanek`	`guys, which of latest builds do you recommend as quite stable?`
`08:35.30`	`zdanek`	`I did some ipkg upgrades and all is gone :)`
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`08:38.13`	`CM`	`zdanek: I think any recent ones work well, at least for me`
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`08:39.26`	`CM`	`zdanek: These are the ones I'm running now: http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/2007.2/`
`08:42.19`	`zdanek`	`CM: thx`
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`08:47.05`	`CM`	`For me audio works fine, and calling works for the first time in a long while`
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`08:53.34`	`Psi`	`is there a changelog for the 2007.2 builds?`
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`09:01.12`	`CM`	`Psi: Is commit logs good enough?`
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`09:05.15`	`torpor`	`sup folks`
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`09:15.11`	`CM`	`Morning :)`
`09:15.42`	`torpor`	`hows thigns cm?`
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`09:34.22`	`daMaestro`	`btw, if anyone wants to add this http://f3dora.org/paste/476 to the wiki, i've not had time`
`09:34.26`	`daMaestro`	`it works pretty damn well`
`09:35.00`	`daMaestro`	`wow.. i really need to put that into prod mode`
`09:36.23`	`daMaestro`	`damn, hmm proxy errors now`
`09:37.41`	`daMaestro`	`fixed`
`09:44.28`	`ruxpin`	`I still have a virgin neo here. should I upgrade the uboot or is the factory uboot fine for all snapshots in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing?`
`09:44.42`	`daMaestro`	`do you have the debug board?`
`09:44.45`	`ruxpin`	`yes`
`09:44.50`	`daMaestro`	`might as well update uboot`
`09:45.08`	`ruxpin`	`I thought so`
`09:45.49`	`ruxpin`	`ScaredyCat seems to have released lots of snapshots`
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`09:45.57`	`ruxpin`	`I wonder which one I should try first`
`09:46.05`	`daMaestro`	`i've been updating with ipkg`
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`09:50.59`	`Morningsickness`	`The San Diego fires were the work of illegal aliens hellbent on destroying the gay niggger ghetto. "Pennisbird watched with horror as 6 nigggher faggs burnt to death, leaving their black smooth muscular bodies motionless in a puddle of gay nigggher seemen with their oiled frizzy hair up in smoke. United GNAA releif fund is curently paying for his therapy", said GNAA President Timecop`
`09:51.00`	`Morningsickness`	`Gay niggger Commandos in response are raiding migrant camps just south of LA, filling wetback anuses with rich foamy nigggger spooge. GNAA won't be nobody's fool. Lt Col CunntSlime, spokesnighhgger for GNAA special ops declined to comment on exact location or future plans. "All further questions are to be directed to DiKKy, our Norwegian field marshall", said CunntSlime. "We will avenge this Jew-funded wetb`
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`09:51.43`	`borg_`	`wtf?`
`09:52.08`	`daMaestro`	`it's amazing how many people really need to get a life`
`09:52.30`	`daMaestro`	`darn.. the last ipkg update screwed up matchbox again`
`09:53.31`	`ruxpin`	`ok, I'll go for OpenMoko-scaredycat-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20071118-fic-gta01.rootfs`
`09:54.05`	`borg_`	`ruxpin: sounds good`
`09:54.12`	`borg_`	`but it is not that important`
`09:54.20`	`borg_`	`you can update it with ipkg after flashing`
`09:54.49`	`ruxpin`	`for now I'd like to see something else besides kernel panic :)`
`09:54.53`	`borg_`	`:D`
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`09:55.00`	`cdbot2`	`* * OM Bug 1014 has been created by sean_chiang(AT)openmoko.com`
`09:55.01`	`daMaestro`	`yeah, when there are not update conflicts`
`09:55.02`	`cdbot2`	`* * gsmd doesn't work in x86 platform`
`09:55.03`	`cdbot2`	`* * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1014`
`09:55.15`	`daMaestro`	`ruxpin, you need to make sure to flash the matching kernel also`
`09:56.06`	`ruxpin`	`daMaestro: yes, the module directories need to match the kernel version`
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`09:57.46`	`ruxpin`	`this is the latest I found: uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3238-r8-neo1973.bin`
`09:58.18`	`hachi`	`hahahaha, GPRS on my moko working`
`09:58.27`	`hachi`	`damn, no iptables`
`09:58.33`	`hachi`	`I can't make it a gateway device`
`10:00.27`	`LaF0rge`	`hachi: iptables and all the modules are built and packaged, arnen't they?`
`10:00.40`	`hachi`	`maybe I just need to install it via ipkg then`
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`10:06.36`	`ruxpin`	`how do I find out whether this device is Bv03 or Bv04?`
`10:06.43`	`hachi`	`open the back lid`
`10:06.47`	`hachi`	`there's a sticker inside`
`10:07.20`	`hachi`	`GTA01B_V4 mine says`
`10:07.31`	`ruxpin`	`ah right`
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`10:07.52`	`ruxpin`	`Bv4`
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`10:11.18`	`torpor`	`hmm .. wonder why this happens:`
`10:11.18`	`torpor`	`http://rafb.net/p/MgtZub42.html`
`10:12.37`	`hachi`	`LaF0rge: I don't have an 'iptables' runtime command`
`10:12.42`	`hachi`	`I have all the modules and stuff though`
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`10:15.45`	`josch`	`flexd, ping`
`10:15.49`	`LaF0rge`	`hachi: is there no ipk for it?`
`10:17.12`	`Psi`	`<CM> Psi: Is commit logs good enough? <- i just think it would be nice if i could see what's new in each build`
`10:17.19`	`hachi`	`nope`
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`10:17.37`	`josch`	`can I get the logs of this channel for the past 4 days from anywhere?`
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`10:19.22`	`drath`	`josch: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23openmoko/`
`10:19.25`	`LaF0rge`	`hachi: I've just built iptables on buildhost`
`10:19.40`	`LaF0rge`	`hachi: so it should be in tmp/deploy/glibc/armv4t/`
`10:19.43`	`josch`	`drath, thx`
`10:22.18`	`roh`	`morning Laforge.. nice to see you here`
`10:22.34`	`Psi`	`^`
`10:27.48`	`hachi`	`touché`
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`10:30.44`	`ruxpin`	`I guess it's ok to download .tar files instead of .jffs2?`
`10:30.59`	`ruxpin`	`for the rootfs`
`10:31.06`	`hachi`	`I don't think it is`
`10:31.22`	`josch`	`ruxpin, you need tar to deploy to sdcard`
`10:31.22`	`hachi`	`I certainly wouldn't be doing that on any machine I've ever done weird boot things with`
`10:31.35`	`josch`	`and jffs2 to copy to nand`
`10:31.36`	`hachi`	`oh sd... interesting`
`10:32.06`	`josch`	`http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD`
`10:32.31`	`ruxpin`	`the tar image is twice as big as the jffs2`
`10:32.33`	`flexd`	`josch: ping`
`10:32.35`	`flexd`	`Hold on back later`
`10:32.40`	`flexd`	`I've got the solution for that problem.`
`10:32.47`	`flexd`	`but im at work, busy busy :(`
`10:33.02`	`josch`	`flexd, well I just read the log about gobject.io_add_watch(conn, gobject.IO_IN, handler) ^^`
`10:42.15`	`flexd`	`josch:`
`10:42.18`	`flexd`	`hold on`
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`10:44.02`	`mbuf`	`if i do "make build-package-hello" in ~/moko directory, it builds the package; but, if i invoke same "make build-package-hello" via build_execute_command() from an IDE plugin with PARENT directory as ~/moko/ I get 'no rule to make target build-package-hello' - urgh!`
`10:45.22`	`flexd`	`josch: http://pastebin.com/f5bb736f4`
`10:45.37`	`flexd`	`atleast that semi-works`
`10:45.48`	`flexd`	`but twisted has gtk implemented`
`10:45.53`	`josch`	`flexd, thx! will have a look into it`
`10:45.59`	`flexd`	`so it's usable for sockets and anything network related too`
`10:46.00`	`flexd`	`and`
`10:46.08`	`flexd`	`mickey_away says twisted works on om :)`
`10:48.44`	`josch`	`^^`
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`10:52.26`	`flexd`	`but anyway, i really wanna help out with that project`
`10:52.42`	`flexd`	`cause i need a new project, and when i get a neo i wanna work with python alot :o`
`10:53.26`	`josch`	`flexd, you mean with pygsmd?`
`10:53.33`	`flexd`	`pygsm/pyphone`
`10:53.38`	`flexd`	`py-anything!`
`10:53.46`	`josch`	`flexd, just msg Sup3rkiddo ^^`
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`11:00.07`	`flexd`	`hmm k`
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`11:02.53`	`hrw`	`~seen yoyo`
`11:03.00`	`apt`	`yoyo <n=yoyo@nat.zegrze.maverick.com.pl> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 2d 20h 3m 33s ago, saying: 'bye'.`
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`11:04.35`	`Sup3rkiddo`	`flexd: you are welcome to screw around`
`11:04.46`	`flexd`	`great :)`
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`11:07.47`	`Sup3rkiddo`	`flexd: if your image is borked, please go ahead and setup phonesim, or if not you could very well use the qemu`
`11:08.14`	`flexd`	`I dont have a neo yet`
`11:08.21`	`flexd`	`So i havent really started trying anything yet`
`11:08.39`	`flexd`	`i tried qemu on my laptop, but that problem with ubuntu/qemu is still there, so i dunno yet`
`11:09.30`	`Sup3rkiddo`	`flexd: yeah, we will be depending only on gsmd, so just setup a gsmd + phonesim on your desktop itself..`
`11:10.27`	`flexd`	`hmm k`
`11:10.37`	`flexd`	`Will do later today :)`
`11:10.38`	`Sup3rkiddo`	`flexd: http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2007/10/28/qpe-430-plus-qemu/#comment-113`
`11:10.48`	`Sup3rkiddo`	`~trout flexd`
`11:10.49`	`apt`	`ACTION slaps flexd around a bit with a large trout!`
`11:11.28`	`flexd`	`stop the trouting! :(`
`11:11.39`	`CM`	`Hehe`
`11:11.49`	`flexd`	`i'l look at it later`
`11:11.55`	`flexd`	`doing some python haxing atm, need to focus`
`11:12.00`	`flexd`	`or i'l break it (i'l break it anyhow!)`
`11:12.51`	`Sup3rkiddo`	`flexd: take your time dude, just kidding...`
`11:13.51`	`josch`	`g'night`
`11:14.23`	`flexd`	`it's 12:14....`
`11:14.30`	`flexd`	`mid day!`
`11:14.39`	`Sup3rkiddo`	`josch: evening, stress of writing an exam, just a cat nap really...4:45 PM`
`11:14.43`	`josch`	`flexd, you come from europe?`
`11:15.14`	`josch`	`4:45 - I see there are just 2h difference in our time. good!`
`11:16.40`	`CM`	`Or 4h?`
`11:16.56`	`josch`	`CM, ??`
`11:17.07`	`josch`	`ack`
`11:17.10`	`josch`	`-_-`
`11:17.15`	`josch`	`yeah... 4h...`
`11:17.19`	`CM`	`Hmm.. 4.5 even`
`11:17.22`	`flexd`	`josch: yes, norway`
`11:17.30`	`CM`	`12.15 - 16.45 :)`
`11:17.36`	`flexd`	`it's 12:14 here now :o`
`11:17.45`	`josch`	`flexd, great! I'm from germany - same time`
`11:18.00`	`CM`	`flexd: We always knew the norwegians were a bit slow.. ;)`
`11:18.32`	`zash`	`12:18:16 * CM has 12:17 here`
`11:18.35`	`flexd`	`ooh`
`11:18.38`	`flexd`	`lunch, i'm hungry`
`11:18.46`	`flexd`	`my cellphone says 12:17 :<`
`11:18.53`	`flexd`	`I blame ubuntu, it's the slow.`
`11:19.02`	`flexd`	`and, my python code just worked :O`
`11:19.05`	`josch`	`I cite xkcd: "Mom. I'm hungry" - "hush, i'm coding. You ate yesterday"`
`11:19.09`	`zash`	`ntp ftw`
`11:20.42`	`flexd`	`josch: lol.`
`11:21.20`	`ruxpin`	`very good -- the image booted :)`
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`11:33.53`	`ruxpin`	`but it seems that the dialer is dead :/`
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`11:37.51`	`ruxpin`	`oh wait -- it does :)`
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`12:22.24`	`ruxpin`	`I couldn't figure out how to activate the gps (didn't try the terminal) and I can't find the received SMS message`
`12:22.32`	`ruxpin`	`other than that, very nice!`
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`12:22.56`	`ruxpin`	`from the power buttom menu, the gps didn't power on, it just stayed disabled`
`12:23.28`	`borg_`	`ruxpin: there is no gui for sms receiving/sending yet`
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`12:24.44`	`ruxpin`	`oh`
`12:25.28`	`ruxpin`	`can I access the messages from the cli?`
`12:25.38`	`borg_`	`yes`
`12:25.47`	`ruxpin`	`is there a document that describes the sms framework?`
`12:26.34`	`CM`	`ruxpin: Maybe keep track of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SMSTool`
`12:26.36`	`CM`	`:)`
`12:26.46`	`borg_`	`http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_SMS`
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`12:45.28`	`ruxpin`	`thanks`
`12:46.03`	`ruxpin`	`heh, the project manager seems to like this :p`
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`12:46.33`	`ruxpin`	`next step: compilation from trunk`
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`13:04.07`	`hrw`	`http://pastebin.com/d7976597b - what is wrong? (shell code)`
`13:05.01`	`torpor`	`yo`
`13:05.40`	`torpor`	`hrw: since when does the shell do hex expansion?`
`13:08.06`	`hrw`	`ok, so how to make hex->dec in shell? only old busybox available (bc, dc)`
`13:08.40`	`josch`	`let x=0xfffe`
`13:10.01`	`gi-el`	`0xdeadbeef!`
`13:10.11`	`hrw`	`the problem is that I need d2 as hex more often then as decimal`
`13:10.15`	`hrw`	`0xcoffee`
`13:10.28`	`mjr`	`echo -e "ibase=16\nabcdef" \| bc ?`
`13:10.29`	`josch`	`how many people can read hey if only you and dead people can read hex?`
`13:10.45`	`josch`	`mjr, lol`
`13:11.28`	`zash`	`0xC0CAC01A`
`13:11.29`	`hrw`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:11.59`	`CM`	`josch: Heh, that was a fun one`
`13:12.57`	`ScaredyCat`	`gneeh!`
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`13:13.29`	`josch`	`let X=0xff; echo $X works`
`13:18.51`	`CIA-14`	`03chris * r3437 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-sms.c):`
`13:18.51`	`CIA-14`	`* src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-sms.c: (status_report_added_cb),`
`13:18.51`	`CIA-14`	`(store_sms), (gsmd_eventhandler), (sms_msghandler),`
`13:18.52`	`CIA-14`	`(moko_dialer_sms_init):`
`13:18.52`	`CIA-14`	`Handle non in-line SMS events, move all SMS's on SIM to journal on`
`13:18.53`	`CIA-14`	`startup, add lots of debugging statements`
`13:20.15`	`zash`	`are there any drafts for a real sms program yet?`
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`13:22.47`	`josch`	`zash, well, I'm writing one in python`
`13:23.25`	`zash`	`nice, hows it going?`
`13:25.29`	`josch`	`zash, the only problem now is the python gsmd binding so I'm cooperating with Sup3rkiddo who writes such a binding`
`13:25.55`	`zash`	`smstool on the wiki?`
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`13:27.33`	`josch`	`zash, no smstool is written by kristian-m and does not use gsmd but uses an interface to libgsmd-tool to write sms`
`13:27.48`	`josch`	`so smstool can only send them and not receive`
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`13:36.29`	`horvatj73_`	`does anyone know carriers working in austria with neo?`
`13:36.35`	`horvatj73_`	`http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers`
`13:36.49`	`horvatj73_`	`only has some links to german carriers...`
`13:36.53`	`SpeedEvil`	`Do you mean which carriers work?`
`13:36.59`	`mjr`	`see the Note under Europe`
`13:37.13`	`SpeedEvil`	`basically if you can put your SIM into any GSM phone and have it work, it'll work`
`13:37.48`	`horvatj73_`	`I tried it with 'bob' and it did NOT work ;-(`
`13:38.23`	`horvatj73_`	`but I have more sim cards as well, so I schould try it out - THANKS!`
`13:38.26`	`mjr`	`Wonder if it's that SIM issue. (There's a patch, but distribution thereof is difficult)`
`13:39.01`	`torpor`	`horvatj73_: i'm using t-mobile.`
`13:40.06`	`horvatj73_`	`okay, I have t-mobile as well...`
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`13:53.19`	`CIA-14`	`03chris * r3438 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-sms.c):`
`13:53.19`	`CIA-14`	`* src/phone-kit/moko-dialer-sms.c: (moko_dialer_sms_finalize),`
`13:53.19`	`CIA-14`	`(connection_source_prepare), (connection_source_check),`
`13:53.19`	`CIA-14`	`(connection_source_dispatch), (moko_dialer_sms_init):`
`13:53.19`	`CIA-14`	`Don't forget to actually poll for events...`
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`13:54.53`	`CIA-14`	`03thomas * r3439 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-appmanager2/ (ChangeLog src/navigation-area.c src/search-bar.c):`
`13:54.53`	`CIA-14`	`* src/navigation-area.c: (model_filter_func):`
`13:54.53`	`CIA-14`	`* src/search-bar.c: (text_changed_cb), (combo_changed_cb): Fix text`
`13:54.53`	`CIA-14`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`14:07.06`	`horvatj73_`	`torpor: thx, t-mobile works, trying other (one, a1, etc.) this afternood!`
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`14:12.02`	`torpor`	`;)`
`14:16.35`	`horvatj73_`	`torpor: okay a1 works as well, but bob (as you know an a1 too) doesn't work ;-(`
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`14:17.18`	`torpor`	`there is a big with some sims, as mentioned.`
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`14:17.54`	`horvatj73_`	`oh, aha!`
`14:18.23`	`CM`	`!ombug 666`
`14:18.24`	`cdbot2`	`* * Bug 666, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown`
`14:18.25`	`cdbot2`	`* * steven.demetrius(AT)fiwwi.com: 3G SIM capability`
`14:18.26`	`cdbot2`	`* * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=666`
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`14:27.15`	`eth01`	`i see the samsung u600 isn't supported :(`
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`15:21.50`	`CIA-14`	`03thomas * r3441 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-appmanager2/ (ChangeLog src/search-bar.c): * src/search-bar.c: (text_changed_cb): Don't leak the search string`
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`15:26.47`	`torpor`	`Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/ipk/neo1973/Packages.gz`
`15:26.51`	`torpor`	`wget: server returned error 404: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found`
`15:26.54`	`torpor`	`this is from the latest mokomakefile image`
`15:26.58`	`torpor`	`is there another host to be used for that?`
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`15:32.33`	`CM`	`torpor: I think ScaredyCat has them`
`15:34.03`	`CM`	`Hmm, but his is empty ;)`
`15:34.51`	`CM`	`Ah, nope. It was the om buildhose that was empty.`
`15:35.04`	`CM`	`torpor: From yesterday: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/neo1973/Packages.gz`
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`16:07.47`	`DukeOfURL`	`80`
`16:08.00`	`kristian-m`	`80?`
`16:08.18`	`xaid\|work`	`21?`
`16:08.36`	`borg_`	`42?`
`16:08.41`	`xaid\|work`	`;)`
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`16:09.51`	`balrog-kun`	`81 - i win`
`16:10.13`	`borg_`	`mh`
`16:10.18`	`borg_`	`what was the question? :)`
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`16:11.29`	`balrog-kun`	`good question`
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`16:12.45`	`inz`	`443 -- I'm more secure than you!`
`16:13.49`	`balrog-kun`	`404 - you lost`
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`16:15.13`	`DPThought`	`have no ring tone tough`
`16:15.35`	`ruxpin`	`my phone's on vibraa-aa-aa-aaa-te for you...`
`16:16.20`	`DPThought`	`at least :)`
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`16:21.32`	`xaid\|work`	`i have a quick question, did the moko-finger-scroll widget change looks between 2007.1 and 2007.2 ?`
`16:22.18`	`xaid\|work`	`i've only seen the screenshots from 2007.1...if it looks different now, could someone upload a screenshot to scap.linuxtogo.net? :)`
`16:22.41`	`hrw`	`xaid\|work: there is no moko-finger-scroll widget anymore`
`16:23.16`	`xaid\|work`	`hrw: i didn't know that. so we just use the sliders if the page spans more than the screen size?`
`16:23.26`	`hrw`	`use finger`
`16:23.31`	`hrw`	`like on iphone`
`16:23.48`	`xaid\|work`	`thats easier :)`
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`16:36.16`	`yoyo`	`hi`
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`16:38.03`	`xaid\|work`	`hi yoyo`
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`16:43.07`	`edistar`	`hi`
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`16:52.05`	`yoyo`	`to build present uImage using makeopenmoko a shood do make build-package-linux? yes?`
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`16:56.05`	`CM`	`yoyo: make openmoko-devel-image`
`16:56.18`	`CM`	`Ah, sorry`
`16:56.30`	`CM`	`yoyo: You're right, that's the uImage for the kernel only`
`16:56.41`	`yoyo`	`CM: it building onli rootfs not uImage :(`
`16:56.58`	`CM`	`yoyo: Are you sure? Have you just updated?`
`16:57.26`	`CM`	`I usually run: make update-makefile;make setup update;make openmoko-devel-image`
`16:57.58`	`yoyo`	`CM: yes update, setuped.... after that Iw delete uImage and that whose wrong :/`
`16:58.05`	`CM`	`Latest new kernel I got was November 12th`
`16:59.04`	`CM`	`yoyo: Try make rebuild-package-`
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`16:59.54`	`zash`	`yay, kernel panic on my server`
`16:59.58`	`yoyo`	`CM: Iw run make all after make clean-package-linux`
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`17:15.50`	`yoyo`	`CM: for future make rebuild-package-linux-openmoko`
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`17:20.20`	`CIA-14`	`03thomas * r3442 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-appmanager2/ (ChangeLog src/ipkg-utils.c src/ipkg-utils.h src/tool-box.c):`
`17:20.20`	`CIA-14`	`* src/ipkg-utils.c: (check_for_upgrade), (get_upgrade_list):`
`17:20.20`	`CIA-14`	`* src/ipkg-utils.h:`
`17:20.20`	`CIA-14`	`* src/tool-box.c: (on_upgrade_clicked):`
`17:20.21`	`CIA-14`	`Add upgrade package functionality`
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`17:24.19`	`flexd`	`woo xbox 360 in my house, woo!`
`17:30.22`	`edistar`	`flexd: bah... microsoft..`
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`17:30.48`	`flexd`	`i'd get a ps3`
`17:30.50`	`flexd`	`and put linux on it`
`17:30.56`	`flexd`	`but... it costs like twice the amount of money`
`17:30.59`	`flexd`	`and im poor`
`17:31.02`	`edistar`	`ah`
`17:31.08`	`flexd`	`cant spend alot of money if im gonna buy a neo soon too :P`
`17:31.10`	`edistar`	`flexd: and addicted to gaming :P`
`17:31.25`	`flexd`	`I earn 8000nok a month~ rougly`
`17:31.46`	`flexd`	`I just spend 3700 on the xbox w/a game and a play-and-charge thingy >_<`
`17:32.02`	`borg_`	`http://www.google.li/search?hl=de&q=8000+nok+to+euro&btnG=Google-Suche&meta=`
`17:32.03`	`sandsmark`	`flexd: rent, food, etc.?`
`17:32.05`	`borg_`	`aah come on`
`17:32.10`	`borg_`	`thats a lot more then i have :)`
`17:32.16`	`flexd`	`sandsmark: i live at home`
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`17:32.23`	`sandsmark`	`borg_: it's not that much here in norway`
`17:32.33`	`flexd`	`i'm a trainee`
`17:32.34`	`sandsmark`	`maybe a bit more if you don't pay rent, food, etc.`
`17:32.36`	`sandsmark`	`ah, ok`
`17:32.40`	`flexd`	`so i earn 1 years worth of pay, over 2 years :/`
`17:32.44`	`borg_`	`i guess only the alcohol is not as cheap as in germany in norway`
`17:33.00`	`sandsmark`	`borg_: you could say that;)`
`17:33.03`	`edistar`	`heh`
`17:33.05`	`borg_`	`:P`
`17:33.23`	`flexd`	`Not saying i dont have money, heh, i could buy quite a bit of toys and still have food and stuff`
`17:33.28`	`sandsmark`	`borg_: almost all the people on planetkde (the only blogs I read;) that move to norway complain about the price for alcohol`
`17:33.38`	`flexd`	`But in a year i wont earn any more money unless i get a job + i'l be a student :/`
`17:33.39`	`borg_`	`hehe`
`17:33.45`	`borg_`	`must be german beer drinkers :)`
`17:34.05`	`sandsmark`	`:p`
`17:35.05`	`mbuf`	`is it better for an IDE to update setup-env and local/conf/site.conf for developers, or let the developers do it manually?`
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`17:54.03`	`yoyo`	`intel planing relase phone o.O`
`17:54.23`	`borg_`	`:)`
`17:54.40`	`zash`	`woo`
`17:54.41`	`zash`	`t`
`17:54.43`	`edistar`	`yoyo: link?`
`17:55.07`	`yoyo`	`http://gizmovil.com/2007/09/22/intel-lanza-el-mejor-rival-del-iphone/`
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`17:56.56`	`edistar`	`what is that :/`
`17:57.10`	`yoyo`	`I have no f***** idea`
`17:57.16`	`edistar`	`ugly`
`17:57.41`	`josch`	`beautiful`
`17:57.45`	`edistar`	`funny design, but it must be annoying after a while`
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`17:58.02`	`josch`	`not with the right window manager`
`17:58.25`	`edistar`	`I even dislike widescreen, because of the small hight`
`17:58.44`	`josch`	`okay I'm in love with my DUAL-widescreen`
`17:58.53`	`edistar`	`josch: heh`
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`18:10.12`	`borg_`	`widescreen is good format in my opinion, but it is a bad format to have it in your pocket imo`
`18:11.11`	`josch`	`but you cold say to your friends: I OBVIOUSLY DO HAVE THE LONGEST`
`18:11.13`	`yoyo`	`more space where it can brak`
`18:11.30`	`cjb_ie`	`josch: is that a neo1973 in your pocket or...`
`18:11.49`	`anrp`	`the neo is like a giant, black, medicine pill`
`18:11.51`	`anrp`	`;)`
`18:12.11`	`borg_`	`:)`
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`18:12.33`	`cjb_ie`	`anrp: can we expect to be getting spams soon? inexpensive N30 I9T3 ?`
`18:12.46`	`anrp`	`perhaps D:`
`18:14.50`	`anrp`	`3la4rge yur n30 20O%`
`18:15.59`	`cjb_ie`	`3n14r63 ? not 3n5m411 ?`
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`18:16.24`	`anrp`	`who knows`
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`18:26.40`	`shonnon`	`Hi. I'm looking for instructions on how to build openmoko for my a780 (things like what I should set MACHINE to in local.conf). I've come up empty with google. Is this the right place to ask, or should I try #openezx?`
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`18:28.08`	`abraxa_`	`shonnon: #openezx and #oe do indeed seem like better places to ask :)`
`18:28.22`	`borg_`	`shonnon: http://www.vanille-media.de/images/openmoko-on-a780.jpg`
`18:28.35`	`shonnon`	`OK, thanks, I'll try there.`
`18:28.35`	`borg_`	`this picture is taken by mickey_away, but he is very busy`
`18:28.45`	`borg_`	`dont know if you can get an answer from him`
`18:29.42`	`XorA\|gone`	`shonnon: MACHINE="a780"`
`18:30.02`	`shonnon`	`borg_: Yeah, I've seen screenshots and the youtube video. I've even booted one of the binary images from angstrom-distribution.org. I want to build it myself so I can hack. :-)`
`18:30.29`	`shonnon`	`XorA: Thanks`
`18:30.47`	`shonnon`	`Is that the only change I need to make?`
`18:32.24`	`XorA\|gone`	`shonnon: should be`
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`18:36.18`	`shonnon`	`Cool. I'll let 'er rip and come back if something breaks and I can't figure it out myself.`
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`19:07.45`	`Eulex`	`http://netville.se/thesis5.shtml :)`
`19:08.22`	`yoyo`	`SIIIS !! :) gtk-sharp on my moko :...) biutifle :)`
`19:10.22`	`balrog-kun`	`well, CIA doesn't seem to be working much better now`
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`19:14.02`	`yoyo`	`beautifully :)`
`19:17.43`	`sandsmark`	`shizzle for fiffle`
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`19:18.40`	`bedboi`	`hi there`
`19:19.13`	`edistar`	`hi`
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`19:24.46`	`jmichel`	`Does someone has an idea about this issue: I have an application I want to run on OM, so I followed dev crash cource from the wiki to create a local overlay...`
`19:24.46`	`jmichel`	`My appplication builds on my pc with configure make make install`
`19:24.54`	`jmichel`	`I copied the code in a new project moko/local/myapp`
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`19:25.32`	`jmichel`	`When I build the code is copied but nothing is built, log file says "NOTE: nothing to compile"`
`19:26.30`	`jmichel`	`in the bb files I included "inherit autotools"`
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`19:32.40`	`jmichel`	`I know it may difficult to help me with only this information, but is there any common mistakes people do when bringing a software (built with autotools) from Linux to OM?`
`19:33.16`	`balrog-kun`	`OM is Linux`
`19:34.39`	`jmichel`	`balrog-kun: I know but I mean to the build method of OM`
`19:35.30`	`jmichel`	`the bb file seems to ignore my code`
`19:36.30`	`balrog-kun`	`you copied the automake scripts too, right?`
`19:36.53`	`jmichel`	`yes, everything is included`
`19:39.35`	`CM`	`Eulex: Nice :) (4 �r f�r sent f�r mig bara.. ;)`
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`19:41.52`	`Eulex`	`CM, :)`
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`19:48.27`	`jmichel`	`ok now I went through the build of my application... after reading the wiki again I discovered I needed to include my package in a tar file that decompress in a folder with this name template: PACKAGE_NAME-PACKAGE_VERSION`
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`19:49.21`	`jmichel`	`I know how to include my app in a new image and to flash it to my phone... but is there ant faster way to try my app?`
`19:49.39`	`jmichel`	`can I upload directly my executable file?`
`19:49.58`	`jmichel`	`or maybe install the package on my phone?`
`19:50.07`	`edistar`	`jmichel: you can package an .ipg file and then copy that to the sd card`
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`19:51.24`	`jmichel`	`edistar: any useful info on how to do this ?`
`19:51.35`	`edistar`	`jmichel: no, sry, don't have a neo`
`19:51.43`	`edistar`	`jmichel: wiki should tell you though`
`19:52.57`	`jmichel`	`can I install the resulting .ipk file directly on the phone whit ipkg?`
`19:53.07`	`edistar`	`jmichel: yep`
`19:53.20`	`jmichel`	`edistar ok i'll try this thanks`
`19:53.27`	`dinamich`	`how do i submit a path to openmoko developers? I can't find any info in we`
`19:53.38`	`CM`	`Eulex: Snygga till om du vill: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Thesis_work`
`19:54.14`	`dinamich`	`sorry, how to submit a patch? there is no info on wiki pages!`
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`19:54.29`	`Eulex`	`CM, ser bra ut.`
`19:55.17`	`CM`	`Kul initiativ, och jag hoppas ni hittar n�gra peppade datavetare :)`
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`19:58.32`	`Eulex`	`CM, företaget är hur peppat som helst på linux på mobiltelefoner. "det är framtiden" :)`
`19:59.31`	`edistar`	`translate ;)`
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`20:02.29`	`Eulex`	`edistar, the company in sweden I'm working is searching for computer science people to do their thesises here. one area (which is very cool) is openmoko. and yes, there's supposed to be an english translation sometime into the future.`
`20:02.39`	`zash`	`CM, Eulex: woot?`
`20:02.54`	`dinamich`	`nobody knows how to submit a patch to openmoko developers? Should I open new bug on bugzilla and attach patch or send it to some mailing list or what?`
`20:03.37`	`zash`	`dinamich: open a bug that says "to hard to figure out how to send a patch"`
`20:03.46`	`dinamich`	`hehe`
`20:04.06`	`hachi`	`dinamich: just open a bug`
`20:04.16`	`hachi`	`if you attach a patch to it, they will see it`
`20:04.23`	`hachi`	`if you keep doing that a lot`
`20:04.32`	`hachi`	`then maybe someone will tell you to move to another method`
`20:04.37`	`dinamich`	`will do, thanks`
`20:05.35`	`dottedmag`	`In you're unlucky, patches will be ignored until someone from OM team decide to close the bugs :-/`
`20:06.28`	`hachi`	`to be honest, you're on the wrong side of the clock to catch what I know to be developers`
`20:06.49`	`hachi`	`I know at least a few that are awake and plugging at this stuff about 12 hours from now`
`20:06.57`	`hachi`	`at least, on the weekends I know this to be true`
`20:08.04`	`hachi`	`but still, I think you're worring too much about getting things done. submit the patch, then harass them that your bugreport is being ignored :)`
`20:08.15`	`hachi`	`but.... just don't be too pushy`
`20:08.20`	`hachi`	`then they'll want to ignore you`
`20:10.56`	`CM`	`dinamich: Describe well what the patch to, and maybe get someone else to test it too :)`
`20:11.13`	`CM`	`dinamich: I mean once it's in bugzilla.`
`20:11.28`	`CM`	`*what the patch does,...`
`20:11.51`	`dinamich`	`CM: of course`
`20:11.54`	`zash`	`pepparkaksdeg ftw`
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`20:14.45`	`jackdoe`	`hello`
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`20:24.27`	`anders_`	`How do I make my application appear in the application selector.`
`20:25.10`	`zash`	`a .desktop`
`20:25.11`	`zash`	`file`
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`20:32.52`	`hachi`	`bloody hell, the JTAG connector has 39 pins?`
`20:33.16`	`hachi`	`it looked like it had like... 12 to me`
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`20:39.22`	`DPThought`	`crap. installes settingsgui. But python depended on a metric buttload of other packages. Which i have overseen. Shortly after that my root filesystem was full. Does ipkg work the same way, that it first downloads all packages and then installs them? with apt i would now make apt-get clean to delte all cached packages.`
`20:40.39`	`DPThought`	`oh oh, ipkg does not care. It just tried to install everything which was downloaded :(`
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`20:49.57`	`DPThought`	`Am i guessing right that http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS would clash with gsmd?`
`20:50.27`	`balrog-kun`	`DPThought: yes, very likely`
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`20:50.43`	`DPThought`	`bummer`
`20:50.45`	`cjb_ie`	`sounds like a good bet already`
`20:50.47`	`cjb_ie`	`*alright`
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`20:52.29`	`lunacymaze`	`hi there`
`20:52.58`	`DPThought`	`i just figured out that i could use my neo as a phone right now. I'm thinking about going from pre-payed crap to a real plan. With data service.`
`20:53.00`	`lunacymaze`	`I am following the instructions at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr and am getting an error with uboot-openmoko`
`20:53.00`	`cdbot2`	`* * OM Bug 1015 has been created by dinamich(AT)volja.net`
`20:53.01`	`cdbot2`	`* * quemu-neo1973 in r3444 fails to compile`
`20:53.02`	`cdbot2`	`* * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1015`
`20:53.40`	`lunacymaze`	`The problem is "hello_world.c:0: error: bad value (armv4) for -march= switch"`
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`20:54.03`	`lunacymaze`	`I have seen some people asking about the same problem but no solution...`
`20:54.14`	`lunacymaze`	`Any ideas?`
`20:54.45`	`ruxpin`	`do not specify march?`
`20:55.14`	`ruxpin`	`check your gcc?`
`20:55.36`	`ruxpin`	`try mcpu instead of march?`
`20:55.45`	`lunacymaze`	`I specified MACHINE = "x86" and BUILD_ARCH = "i686" in build/conf/local.conf`
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`20:58.49`	`DPThought`	`i wounder how gprs would be implemented the right way. Teaching pppd how to use libgsmd or faking a tty device via gpsd-wrapper?`
`20:58.57`	`SpeedEvil`	`gsmd`
`20:59.02`	`SpeedEvil`	`has to deal with it`
`20:59.17`	`SpeedEvil`	`it's got to multiplex it in the appropriate standard, so call notifications can come through`
`20:59.43`	`CIA-14`	`03andrew * r3445 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/usb-linux-gadget.c: Add a missing include for the no-gadgetfs case (ombug #1015).`
`21:00.52`	`DPThought`	`ar, right. i just remember that ppp can work on a pipe. gpsd would only need to make the dialing stuff.`
`21:01.21`	`DPThought`	`s/gps/gsm/ :-/`
`21:03.27`	`dinamich`	`hi, I have openmoko running in quemu-neo1973. How do I turn it off? holding SPACE (aka power button) key does nothing!`
`21:04.22`	`thomasg`	`dinamich: open a terminal and do poweroff :)`
`21:04.47`	`dinamich`	`thomasg: which terminal ???`
`21:04.57`	`balrog-kun`	`dinamich: close the SDL window and send it a ^C or do "poweroff" in qemu monitor`
`21:05.03`	`balrog-kun`	`s/and/or/`
`21:05.40`	`dinamich`	`apt: will that do a proper shutdown of openmoko?`
`21:05.59`	`josch`	`dinamich, apt is a bot ^^`
`21:06.05`	`balrog-kun`	`dinamich: nope, if you want a proper shutdown you need to do what thomasg suggested`
`21:06.08`	`dinamich`	`ups`
`21:06.23`	`balrog-kun`	`i.e. open a terminal inside openmoko or login through ssh and do poweroff`
`21:07.20`	`dinamich`	`balrog-kun: cant ssh, dont have "fake" usb setup, how do i open terminal inside openmoko?`
`21:07.45`	`thomasg`	`dinamich: in the applications menu sould be a terminal emulator`
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`21:08.46`	`balrog-kun`	`i suspect the Space key is not working as Power because a virtual USB keyboard is enabled`
`21:08.50`	`balrog-kun`	`but i may be wrong`
`21:09.29`	`dinamich`	`balrog-kun: i didn't use usb keyboard!`
`21:09.48`	`dinamich`	`balrog-kun: looking for termial, its hard to find`
`21:11.30`	`balrog-kun`	`it was there in the menu last time i looked`
`21:11.59`	`balrog-kun`	`you might wanna add a "shutdown" shortcut in the menu when you find the terminal`
`21:14.02`	`dinamich`	`balrog-kun: I am lost, I found openmoko-terminal2 in list of installed applications, but i dont know how to run it!`
`21:14.35`	`balrog-kun`	`i think the menu is under the middle tab with a "+" sign in openmoko-today`
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`21:17.33`	`dinamich`	`balrog-kun: FOUND IT:)`
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`21:18.54`	`balrog-kun`	`dinamich: congratulations :)`
`21:19.06`	`balrog-kun`	`i'm proud of you`
`21:19.19`	`dinamich`	`balrog-kun: tnx`
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`21:49.56`	`HistoryOnTheRoad`	`I have a question about the onscreen kbd on 2007.2 image`
`21:49.59`	`HistoryOnTheRoad`	`Anyone know how to start it? :S`
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`21:50.22`	`HistoryOnTheRoad`	`I can get it to work on Feedreader, but it won't work for the terminal :(`
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`21:54.30`	`yoyo`	`haha :) I have a soft in whith i see a df -h :)`
`21:55.09`	`HistoryOnTheRoad`	`I can get the damn thing up by telneting in`
`21:55.22`	`HistoryOnTheRoad`	`but I'd like to have it work ... mobile :P`
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`21:57.21`	`HistoryOnTheRoad`	`I did get the GPS working earlier, but never got a position fix :S`
`22:02.55`	`CIA-14`	`03andrew * r3446 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/flash.sh: Add a smart sh snippet that makes sure everything gets killed that should be killed.`
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`22:05.23`	`Any_Key`	`i don't know how it in recent builds, but i might be clickable button in the center or matchbox panel`
`22:05.45`	`Any_Key`	`s/or/of/`
`22:08.38`	`HistoryOnTheRoad`	`Ah, like in the middle of the top toolbar?`
`22:08.57`	`HistoryOnTheRoad`	`It was a blank spot in the 2007.1 builds, but that doesn't seem to work :S`
`22:09.21`	`Any_Key`	`hm`
`22:09.43`	`borg_`	`there should be a little keyboard icon`
`22:09.46`	`borg_`	`it works for me`
`22:10.54`	`HistoryOnTheRoad`	`borg_: Where is the icon ... left of the clock?`
`22:11.30`	`borg_`	`http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/0c81119b83c95e4732867712a022b267.png`
`22:11.43`	`borg_`	`the little keyboard button`
`22:11.49`	`borg_`	`in the top toolbar`
`22:12.23`	`borg_`	`left of the clock?`
`22:12.32`	`borg_`	`uhm.. do you use 2007.1?`
`22:12.47`	`borg_`	`i think there is no clock in the tob bar anymore`
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`22:14.53`	`HistoryOnTheRoad`	`No, I guess it's an old 2007.2 build :S`
`22:14.59`	`HistoryOnTheRoad`	`No keyboard for me.`
`22:15.31`	`HistoryOnTheRoad`	`Where your little keyboard is, I have an oversized digital clock.`
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`22:21.51`	`yoyo`	`bey`
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`22:23.10`	`HistoryOnTheRoad`	`borg_: I don't mind flashing a newer version ... are you running a snapshot or did you roll your own?`
`22:23.42`	`mwester`	`re`
`22:24.33`	`borg_`	`i flashed some of my snapshots and update it via ipkg`
`22:24.50`	`borg_`	`HistoryOnTheRoad: just do ipkg update and ipkg upgrade`
`22:25.37`	`borg_`	`in the newer versions is also a gui for the updating`
`22:28.06`	`HistoryOnTheRoad`	`Ah, cool. Well, w/o keyboard, it'll have to wait until I can ssh back in`
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`22:50.25`	`Ghiottone`	`lo`
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`23:09.23`	`mwester`	`greetings Ghiottone`
`23:10.43`	`Ghiottone`	`hello mwester . what news?`
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`23:11.12`	`sni4ok`	`hi all`
`23:11.15`	`mwester`	`None yet, I finally have some time so I'm working on a new kernel image, but not done yet.`
`23:12.19`	`Ghiottone`	`2.6.23?`
`23:14.02`	`Ghiottone`	`this reminds me that I still have the task to add diskstats to md driver in my todo list...`
`23:14.11`	`mwester`	`Ghiottone: I didn't ever get a response from OpenMoko as to the plans to switch to 2.6.23, so I'm still working on the old one. "Cherry picking" patches from bugzilla that should be in the kernel that openmoko hasn't gotten to yet.`
`23:15.15`	`Ghiottone`	`oh`
`23:15.31`	`Ghiottone`	`are you working with the emulator or real neo?`
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`23:15.43`	`Ghiottone`	`kernel debugging is a pita`
`23:16.08`	`mwester`	`Real neo, with all the pleasures and joys of the real thing.`
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`23:16.21`	`mwester`	`(flat batteries etc.) ;)`
`23:17.11`	`Ghiottone`	`eh I see`
`23:17.19`	`Ghiottone`	`pretty time consuming I guess`
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`23:18.14`	`mwester`	`Of late, the time consuming part has been prodding and arguing with openmoko to get patches accepted. I found it easier by far to push a patch upstream into the kernel than to get openmoko to incorporate a patch.`
`23:18.46`	`Ghiottone`	`oh really?`
`23:18.55`	`Ghiottone`	`definitely not a good thing`
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`23:38.38`	`rwhitby`	`mwester: that's why I think you should take over maintenance of the openmoko kernel`
`23:43.40`	`abraxa_`	`Seconded :)`
`23:45.23`	`Writchie`	`thirded - how about a git tree`
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`23:46.17`	`Writchie`	`there is of course the issue that nobody knows the real specifics of the GTA02 hardware and interactions with u-boot including the new two u-boots`
`23:48.53`	`ixs`	`which make commando is again generating uImage?`
`23:53.40`	`ixs`	`rwhitby: ping?`
`23:54.13`	`rwhitby`	`ixs: gu`
`23:54.27`	`ixs`	`rwhitby: your makefile needs updating: make neo-flash-local does not work as the files are expected to be in fic-gta01 but are actually found in neo1973`
`23:57.09`	`rwhitby`	`ixs: confirmed. fixing now.`
`23:57.34`	`ixs`	`thx`

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