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| 00:07.57 | Ebbe | Why is the ogg support so bad in the openmoko-mediaplayer? And so good with ogg123? |
| 00:08.18 | josch | Ebbe, ask abraxa__ |
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| 00:09.38 | abraxa__ | Ebbe: libtremor decodes ogg to a sample format that gstreamer needs to convert first - that however costs so much performance that ogg is unusable, unfortunately |
| 00:09.42 | Ebbe | Oh josch, what do you use to play video? |
| 00:09.42 | abraxa__ | That will be fixed, however. |
| 00:10.25 | Ebbe | abraxa__: Good to hear |
| 00:11.11 | abraxa__ | Ebbe: You can use mplayer to playback video - in the long run, the media player will do that for you |
| 00:11.19 | josch | Ebbe, I play videos with mplayer |
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| 00:13.18 | Ebbe | Thanks. Seems like I should have ScaredyCat's repositories after all ;) |
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| 00:37.17 | mmontour | Has anyone used the Neo with MacOS X Leopard? The USB ethernet interface isn't showing up for me (although it worked under 10.3) |
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| 00:53.38 | josch | flexd, ping |
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| 01:49.22 | balrog-kun | turns out android SDK ships some binaries that are closed-source and there's no plan to open-source them |
| 01:49.32 | josch | hahahaha |
| 01:49.37 | josch | gnaaaaaazt! :-D |
| 01:50.04 | balrog-kun | http://www.betaversion.org/~stefano/linotype/news/110/ |
| 01:51.38 | josch | informative +5 |
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| 02:29.37 | Ghiottone | hello |
| 02:30.01 | Ghiottone | where is the configuration file for the background image? |
| 02:30.58 | Tyrael | hello. please is important |
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| 04:25.45 | hachi | someone tell me |
| 04:26.01 | hachi | what are the three buttons along the top row when a call is incoming? |
| 04:26.15 | hachi | the images are broken on my phone, and I don't know which one is 'answer call' |
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| 05:22.57 | atul | CM, my build 2007.2 get failed at "make openmoko-devel-image" when try from Scratch, Error you can see here http://pastebin.ca/772927 |
| 05:24.52 | mwester | Looks like sqlite version 3.4.1 isn't available for download any more. |
| 05:25.38 | atul | mwester, yes I go through that site there no sqlite version available for download. |
| 05:26.55 | atul | ChanServ, why i dont have access to #linuxindia and #cpp |
| 05:27.10 | atul | ChanServ, why did you remove from there |
| 05:30.38 | CM | atul: Was another guy who had that problem yesterday |
| 05:31.47 | atul | CM, I am that one I alos tells same problme yesterday |
| 05:31.48 | CM | He changed the .bb file to point to http://cs.emich.edu/mbsd/mports/distfiles/sqlite-3.4.1.tar.gz and then it worked |
| 05:31.52 | CM | Ah, ok |
| 05:32.03 | CM | Sorry, woke up about 5 minutes ago :D |
| 05:32.32 | atul | CM, I want whitch .bb file to change tell me path |
| 05:35.13 | CM | In your moko folder, look for openembedded/packages/sqlite/sqlite3.inc |
| 05:36.02 | CM | There, try changing the SRC_URI on row 7 to some repository that has the files |
| 05:39.53 | atul | CM, where {PV} is locate can you know ? |
| 05:40.22 | mwester | 3.5.2 seems to compile, but I don't know what part of openmoko uses it, which makes it hard to test. |
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| 05:47.29 | atul | mwester, can you konw {PV} on which file it is located |
| 05:48.07 | mwester | PV is defined by the filename of the .bb file |
| 05:48.52 | atul | mwester, but it is sql version i have to change that one to everywhere thats why i ask you |
| 05:50.47 | mwester | That's not how bitbake works. Bitbake will sort the sqlite*.bb files, and select the most recent one, and use that name to compute the value for PV |
| 05:51.26 | CM | atul: It's like PV in gentoo, just change the http:// part :) |
| 05:52.22 | mwester | So if you want to use sqlite version 3.5.2, you must copy sqlite3_3.4.1.bb to sqlite3_3.5.2.bb, and the directory sqlite3-3.4.1 to sqlite-3.5.2, and then bitbake will select that bb file and attempt to use the new version. |
| 05:53.10 | mwester | CM is suggesting a wiser course of action -- just change the http: path so that the 3.4.1 version can be found -- we do not know if the 3.5.2 will actually work (just that it compiles). |
| 05:53.46 | CM | mwester: I'm usually up around 6 |
| 05:54.03 | CM | But only because I have to.. I hate getting up early, but work is work.. |
| 05:54.04 | mwester | That's not morning! That's still "last night" |
| 05:54.08 | CM | Hehe |
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| 05:54.28 | CM | Well, I'm always short on sleep, never manage to go to bed before midnight |
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| 06:01.42 | blindcoder | moin |
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| 06:43.48 | hachi | people were reporting this yesterday |
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| 06:43.59 | hachi | whoops, I was stuck in the scrollback |
| 06:44.04 | CM | :) |
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| 07:35.43 | CM | Mighty phone SoC: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9690870107.html |
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| 07:38.11 | josch | CM, o0 |
| 07:39.28 | CM | They claim "all day" battery life, but I assume that's mostly sleeping, or a huge battery |
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| 07:41.13 | josch | Marcel_M, hi! |
| 07:41.51 | josch | Marcel_M, is there a list of stuff that is packet inti your monster images ? |
| 07:42.38 | josch | s{packet init}{packed into} |
| 07:42.56 | josch | s{packet inti}{packed into} |
| 07:43.18 | josch | apt seems to not understand perl regexes |
| 07:45.46 | Marcel_M | morning josch! |
| 07:46.53 | Marcel_M | yes here it is http://celpaste.morb-design.com/pastebin.php?show=f6402932 |
| 07:47.27 | Marcel_M | but the current one (just uploading) got no agpsui |
| 07:48.55 | josch | why? |
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| 07:50.46 | josch | Marcel_M, I see there is everything in it to use mokopedia ^^ |
| 07:51.05 | Marcel_M | ;) |
| 07:51.43 | josch | Marcel_M, ah... now I read the headline! great!! :-D |
| 07:52.19 | Marcel_M | :) |
| 07:52.23 | josch | is the lighttpd.conf already configured apropriately? |
| 07:52.35 | Marcel_M | should i add agpsui again? |
| 07:52.55 | josch | Marcel_M, well I'm just about to figure out how to use it |
| 07:53.14 | josch | Marcel_M, if you give me a few pointers? |
| 07:53.19 | Marcel_M | ist supersimple |
| 07:53.30 | CM | Marcel_M: Btw, if you like gps and wikipedia, you might like this too: http://www.lkozma.net/wpv/index.html |
| 07:53.49 | Marcel_M | just cp gllin-wrapper to root and start agpsui |
| 07:55.38 | Marcel_M | CM: nice tx |
| 07:56.17 | CM | There's so much cool things that could be done when you have gps coordinates :) |
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| 07:59.09 | flexd | josch: python-gtkinput progress? :D |
| 07:59.38 | josch | flexd, I found out that http://www.fcoutant.freesurf.fr/python-gdkinput.html is seven years old |
| 07:59.54 | flexd | I know that already |
| 07:59.58 | flexd | It would still work |
| 07:59.59 | flexd | i hope |
| 08:02.18 | josch | but |
| 08:02.18 | josch | if nothing has to be done on this for seven years |
| 08:02.18 | flexd | there's not exactly much to be done.. |
| 08:02.18 | josch | there has to be a better way to do what we want to do |
| 08:02.19 | flexd | if he did it properly it worked perfectly |
| 08:02.19 | flexd | no need to do more updates then ;) |
| 08:07.51 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:09.18 | flexd | morning |
| 08:13.04 | josch | flexd, I only think that more skilled people than we are would've done what we do years ago if it was necessary - so there has to be another way |
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| 08:15.12 | flexd | josch: hmm |
| 08:15.13 | flexd | maybe |
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| 08:49.02 | borg_ | is pixman broken in the openmoko repositorie? |
| 08:49.11 | borg_ | make openmoko-devel-image fails there for me |
| 08:49.38 | CM | I built a new image this morning with no problem |
| 08:49.48 | CM | Can try rebuilding pixman |
| 08:50.19 | borg_ | ok, thx :) |
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| 08:52.03 | CM | borg_: NOTE: package pixman-0.9.5: completed |
| 08:52.15 | borg_ | http://pastebin.ca/774463 |
| 08:52.16 | borg_ | mh |
| 08:52.22 | borg_ | it is a linker problem |
| 08:52.35 | borg_ | i should try to rebuild libgdk-x11 |
| 08:52.40 | CM | *nod* |
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| 09:14.05 | mstevens | is the wiki down? I can't connect |
| 09:14.05 | Mek | works fine for me |
| 09:14.29 | mstevens | hmm maybe it's my network connection being odd, but other things work |
| 09:14.37 | mstevens | aha, now it appeared |
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| 09:17.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1011 has been created by openmoko(AT)twiceasgood.net |
| 09:17.01 | cdbot2 | * * When running qemu there are many USB DataOverrun messages |
| 09:17.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1011 |
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| 09:32.35 | CM | apt: ~kick CIA-13 |
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| 09:38.51 | CM | ~lart CIA-13 for not reporting commits |
| 09:38.51 | apt | slaps CIA-13 around with a large trout for not reporting commits |
| 09:41.41 | ewon | http://kevinremde.members.winisp.net/images/yellow_wall.jpg?=rss |
| 09:41.47 | ewon | my eyes, dear god my eyes |
| 09:42.17 | CM | Hehe |
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| 09:45.05 | zoolooc | wtf, who got in here to take pictures? |
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| 09:47.09 | Jiten | ewon: what is that? |
| 09:49.09 | josch | Sup3rkiddo, !! |
| 09:49.36 | Sup3rkiddo | josch: hey, whats cooking..just gave my exams] |
| 09:49.50 | josch | Sup3rkiddo, good you are online I waited for you yesterday |
| 09:50.02 | Sup3rkiddo | josch: yeah had to study |
| 09:50.09 | josch | Sup3rkiddo, may we exchange jabber ids so we can communicate better? |
| 09:50.34 | Sup3rkiddo | josch: sure, sudharsh at gmail |
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| 09:51.26 | josch | Sup3rkiddo, gmail dot com ? |
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| 09:52.02 | Sup3rkiddo | josch: yeah, for me gmail is the only jabber service |
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| 09:52.38 | Sup3rkiddo | josch: ..and yours? |
| 09:52.43 | josch | hrm... somwhow I can not send you anything - try josch at mister-muffin dot de |
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| 09:55.43 | Sup3rkiddo | josch: yeah i am not jabber thingy, got a gmail, yahoo account? |
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| 09:58.19 | ScaredyCat | you make muffins ! ? |
| 09:58.58 | ScaredyCat | no. :( |
| 09:59.05 | ScaredyCat | sorry ... |
| 09:59.10 | ScaredyCat | :-(® |
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| 10:12.41 | ScaredyCat | is the wiki wookied |
| 10:12.44 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 10:13.30 | CM | Someone else said it was slow, but I didn't notice anything |
| 10:14.31 | ScaredyCat | 84 seconds and the front page still not loaded |
| 10:16.03 | CM | Showed up in about 5 secs here |
| 10:16.19 | CM | And that's through fords stinky firewalls |
| 10:17.39 | ScaredyCat | eeww ford |
| 10:17.47 | CM | Exactly |
| 10:19.18 | ScaredyCat | you sure it's not cached ? |
| 10:19.48 | CM | I tried the "Recent changes" page |
| 10:20.26 | CM | And looked at daltona's MokoFEM page that is new |
| 10:21.42 | rwhitby | morning |
| 10:21.51 | rwhitby | did torpor get his moko unbricked? |
| 10:23.35 | CM | Don't think he's been back in here since the last try |
| 10:24.36 | CM | I wonder if sending him this image would make him upset: http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb316/Snaileb/fail.jpg |
| 10:24.49 | rwhitby | So I've been distracted by robotty things the last couple of days. What's new over here in MokoLand? Do we have a working gsmd or a gps driver yet? |
| 10:25.46 | CM | I think XorA has added some of mwesters patches, but CIA-13 has stopped shoing commit logs |
| 10:26.00 | ScaredyCat | yeah, that all works, and we rewrote thegraphics driver too.. |
| 10:26.05 | ScaredyCat | now it's all 3d |
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| 10:26.12 | rwhitby | yeah, right. |
| 10:26.19 | Ghiottone | eheh |
| 10:26.39 | rwhitby | I have been paying close enough attention to have noticed something like that :- |
| 10:26.40 | rwhitby | ) |
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| 10:27.15 | rwhitby | I want to know about the scuttlebut in the IRC channel which hasn't made it to the mailing list :-) |
| 10:27.22 | XorA | CM: I didnt commit anything to SVN, but one of his patches was done a different way and is now in the compiled kernel |
| 10:27.34 | CM | XorA: Ah, ok. :) |
| 10:27.51 | rwhitby | XorA: how's the MokoOE job going? |
| 10:28.27 | ScaredyCat | wtf is a scuttlebut? |
| 10:29.32 | ScaredyCat | wiki seems alive again CM |
| 10:29.34 | XorA | rwhitby: ok so far, but lots of fire fighting |
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| 10:46.27 | atul | mwester, can you please tell me sqlite problem's solutions |
| 10:47.51 | atul | CM, can you give me the solution of sqlite that given by mwester that is changing the .bb file name that discusstion copy part |
| 10:48.10 | CM | atul: Sure |
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| 10:48.46 | CM | atul: 06:52 <mwester> So if you want to use sqlite version 3.5.2, you must copy sqlite3_3.4.1.bb to sqlite3_3.5.2.bb, and the directory sqlite3-3.4.1 to sqlite-3.5.2, and then bitbake will select that bb file and attempt to use the new version. |
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| 10:52.02 | ScaredyCat | ffs it just did it again! |
| 10:52.31 | atul | CM, In my environment I dont have that sqlite-3.5.2 directory and sqlite3_3.5.2.bb file that is so what to do |
| 10:54.19 | Any_Key | atul, than create it |
| 10:55.46 | Any_Key | cp sqlite3_3.5.1.bb sqlite3_3.5.2.bb |
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| 11:04.45 | CM | atul: looks like hrw is fixing that right now.. :) |
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| 11:05.25 | atul | CM, I hrw where I contact him |
| 11:07.06 | CM | atul: It's already fixed, try a make update |
| 11:07.19 | atul | CM, ok |
| 11:08.03 | hrw | it is not |
| 11:08.19 | CM | hrw: Just noticed.. :( |
| 11:08.21 | atul | hrw, have you fixed sqlite problem |
| 11:08.48 | CM | I saw I got the updated 3.4.2, but that file is missing too |
| 11:09.08 | CM | atul: The files are still missing from http://www.sqlite.org/ |
| 11:09.11 | atul | CM, yes same problem i face |
| 11:09.43 | hrw | pushing 3.5.2 update now |
| 11:09.46 | atul | CM, yesterday itself i go thruogh there site and find the same problelm they miss that file thats why build gives problem |
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| 11:22.49 | ScaredyCat | is /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/battvolt fairly accurate? |
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| 11:37.03 | CM | ScaredyCat: Did you see josch's graphs? http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/battvolt2.png |
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| 11:39.18 | ScaredyCat | CM is that unplugged? |
| 11:39.26 | CM | I think so |
| 11:40.17 | CM | He said he charged with an external charger anyway |
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| 11:41.02 | edu | hi, can someone comment about OpenMoko advantages over Android? |
| 11:41.28 | XorA | OpenMoko is real, Android is vapour |
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| 11:42.22 | bedboi | hi there |
| 11:43.05 | CM | edu: If you like c and python, and want to be free to do anything you want with your phone, use OpenMoko |
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| 11:43.49 | bedboi | what's new in the ScaredyCat's sweats? |
| 11:44.08 | zedstar | something funny regarding android, i was at a talk given by google yesterday on android and someone asked "what about projects like openmoko.." and the google guy replied that android was "real" can u imagine the cheek of it :) |
| 11:44.14 | CM | bedboi: Nothing, I think he's slacking.. :P |
| 11:44.29 | CM | zedstar: Hehe |
| 11:45.35 | bedboi | zedstar: stupid guys |
| 11:45.41 | XorA | google == evil |
| 11:45.50 | bedboi | if real == java, then fuck |
| 11:45.59 | zedstar | yeh they did the whole "we are the first linux mobile blah blah routine |
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| 11:46.23 | zash | zedstar: ehm, first linux mobile? hahahahaha |
| 11:46.32 | Ghiottone | zedstar, did you have a neo with you and showed them?? |
| 11:46.44 | bedboi | first linux mobile? |
| 11:46.47 | bedboi | are they serious |
| 11:46.55 | edu | okay, that's about the developer point of view. How about the other non programmers people, what do you think? |
| 11:47.10 | zedstar | i did have my neo but the way it was setup in a big theatre i had no chance to get a question in they only took a few questions |
| 11:47.27 | atul | zedstar, They want credit |
| 11:47.48 | atul | and they think all other developer are sleeping |
| 11:47.51 | zedstar | someone asked about c/c++ development |
| 11:48.07 | zash | edu: do you want an advertising company to know everything you do? |
| 11:48.24 | zedstar | a mobile games developer.. there response was why would you want to do that when you can do things using their java VM |
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| 11:48.53 | zedstar | was a shame nobody from openmoko was at this event as google really lapped it up |
| 11:49.16 | edu | zash: don't know. I'm just deciding between openmoko or android. For example: Neo1973 + Android? |
| 11:49.22 | Stephmw | zedstar: you were at FOM? |
| 11:49.41 | zedstar | i did manage to get my point across to some google people in the after show party thing but i doubt it will get back |
| 11:49.50 | Stephmw | zedstar: http://picasaweb.google.com/stephanemw/FutureOfMobile2007 |
| 11:49.56 | zedstar | yeh at future of mobile stephen |
| 11:50.31 | zedstar | that's the one! |
| 11:51.10 | zedstar | did u go also stephenw? |
| 11:51.23 | Stephmw | no, my camera was there all by itself :D |
| 11:51.39 | Stephmw | I was indeed there |
| 11:51.53 | zedstar | was u who asked openmoko question? :) |
| 11:52.29 | CM | edu: With OpenMoko and Neo1973 you have an actual phone, but I admit that Android has a very nice emulator and an easy dev environment |
| 11:53.17 | zedstar | the dev environment did look nice....the google guy wrote an app in 8mins live using it |
| 11:53.26 | Stephmw | zedstar: no, I was interested in licensing and source release. And somebody else asked the right questions |
| 11:53.31 | zash | edu: but the open-ness and not-owned-by-a-company-that-profits-from-ads |
| 11:53.58 | zash | is the wiki down or is it loopias dns problems? |
| 11:54.17 | raster | zedstar: and what id the app do? |
| 11:54.37 | raster | i can write an app in 30 secons in c |
| 11:54.40 | zedstar | raster: nothing great....something to integrate to a web search |
| 11:54.42 | raster | its called hello world |
| 11:54.49 | zedstar | lol raster yeh |
| 11:54.53 | raster | :) |
| 11:54.55 | Mek | hmm... when the previous two persons asked about the wiki being down I could still access it, but now I no longer can access it either... |
| 11:55.04 | raster | oooh integrate to web search |
| 11:55.05 | raster | bah |
| 11:55.16 | raster | i can write a dvd player in 5 mins |
| 11:55.27 | raster | so whats the point? |
| 11:55.49 | zedstar | not sure i think just to show click and run on emulator |
| 11:55.56 | Ghiottone | mmm system("/usr/bin/mplayer dvd://"); exit 0; ? |
| 11:56.23 | raster | Ghiottone: hahahah |
| 11:56.31 | raster | no |
| 11:56.37 | raster | one that opens its own winow |
| 11:56.50 | raster | and the process that is the direct result of executing the code you wrote plays the dvd |
| 11:57.09 | raster | its 17 lines of c |
| 11:57.17 | Ghiottone | uh? |
| 11:57.23 | Ghiottone | using what lib? |
| 11:57.29 | raster | actually we added a call to emotion it'd be 18 now |
| 11:57.43 | stefan_schmidt | raster: buh, line waste. |
| 11:57.45 | raster | Ghiottone: emotion, evas, ecore |
| 11:57.49 | raster | stefan_schmidt: hahaha |
| 11:57.58 | Ghiottone | raster, ah I see |
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| 11:58.09 | raster | just makign the point |
| 11:58.14 | raster | if you put enouhg in libraries |
| 11:58.19 | raster | u can write lots of apps in 5 mins |
| 11:58.26 | raster | as 99.9% of the app is in a pre-cannd library |
| 11:58.45 | zedstar | raster it would have been really kewl tho if openmoko had been there and done an app live... 6 minute abs :) |
| 11:59.01 | raster | hahahaha |
| 11:59.45 | Ghiottone | yeah |
| 12:00.17 | raster | "bah! web search augmentation app in 8 mins. check this out. media center in 6 minutes!" |
| 12:00.22 | raster | :) |
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| 12:01.32 | ktd85 | hi |
| 12:01.54 | stefan_schmidt | hi ktd85 |
| 12:02.14 | ktd85 | does anybody know if there exists a powerpoint or so presentation over the neo1973 / openmoko os? |
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| 12:02.37 | stefan_schmidt | ktd85: I only know about PDF |
| 12:02.53 | ktd85 | that will be great |
| 12:03.02 | ktd85 | can you give me a link ? |
| 12:03.14 | stefan_schmidt | ktd85: mom |
| 12:03.37 | ktd85 | thanks |
| 12:05.22 | stefan_schmidt | ktd85: http://mobiledevices.kom.aau.dk/fileadmin/mobiledevices/MDD07/slides/openmoko.pdf |
| 12:05.33 | ktd85 | danke |
| 12:05.45 | stefan_schmidt | ktd85: That is one from mickeyl. There are a lot more from Sean and mickeyl. Just search with google |
| 12:05.54 | stefan_schmidt | ktd85: No problem. |
| 12:07.08 | ktd85 | stefan_schmidt: are you active involved in the development of the openmoko osß |
| 12:07.09 | ktd85 | ? |
| 12:07.37 | stefan_schmidt | ktd85: I think so, at least I work for OpenMoko Inc. ;) |
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| 12:21.46 | ktd85 | ok |
| 12:22.38 | CM | ktd85: Look around in the wiki, there's a lot of info there |
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| 12:30.45 | ktd1985 | how can i get involved in the development? |
| 12:30.50 | ktd1985 | do i need a device? |
| 12:31.07 | SpeedEvil | You can buy GTA01 now |
| 12:31.12 | SpeedEvil | however |
| 12:31.21 | SpeedEvil | you can basically at the moment do several things |
| 12:31.32 | SpeedEvil | A) Qemu - this is a complete software emulator |
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| 12:31.49 | SpeedEvil | B) Compile openmoko on your x86 or whatever platform and run it there natively |
| 12:31.54 | josch | is http://buildhost.openmoko.org down? |
| 12:32.22 | SpeedEvil | C) just write it as a GTK or whatever app that's suitable for the 'mouse' and display avaialbale on the Neo. |
| 12:34.01 | ktd1985 | when will the GTA02 be released? |
| 12:34.18 | zash | ktd1985: read topic |
| 12:34.22 | CM | stefan_schmidt: Any news on that? We're getting curious.. |
| 12:34.34 | CM | ktd85: Should be "Any time soon now" |
| 12:35.16 | stefan_schmidt | CM: Sorry, no idea. :( |
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| 12:37.56 | kimnotyze | hi |
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| 12:39.24 | kimnotyze | does anybody know where i can find the source of chrislords multitap pad? (http://chrislord.net/blog/Software/multitap-pad.enlighten) |
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| 13:27.57 | ScaredyCat | sqlite... :D |
| 13:28.23 | ScaredyCat | there is no mind |
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| 13:34.31 | BenO | ScaredyCat, there is nothing to wonder about. Python is like the Dark Side of the force. Tasty, easy and perhaps a little evil :) |
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| 13:38.51 | [AD]Turbo | hi there |
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| 13:41.55 | ScaredyCat | http://www.prostreetromania.ro/prostreet.htm |
| 13:41.58 | ScaredyCat | lol |
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| 13:57.44 | CM | ScaredyCat: Hehe, almost NSFW ;) |
| 13:58.04 | ScaredyCat | aye those Romanian girls... |
| 13:58.10 | CM | Hehe |
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| 14:00.58 | ScaredyCat | looks like a lot of hacking for me to do when I get back to the office... |
| 14:01.11 | ScaredyCat | usb microscope, usb drum kit.... |
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| 14:04.22 | niclone | anyone have any news about the bug #666 ? |
| 14:04.58 | XorA | niclone: there is nothing progressed yet |
| 14:04.59 | niclone | except that the new firmware exists but we don't have it |
| 14:06.34 | niclone | this demonstrate the benefit of proprietary software and hardwares... |
| 14:07.05 | ScaredyCat | !ombug 666 |
| 14:07.06 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 666, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 14:07.07 | cdbot2 | * * steven.demetrius(AT)fiwwi.com: 3G SIM capability |
| 14:07.08 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=666 |
| 14:07.31 | XorA | Stephmw: your package is in your sorting office :-) |
| 14:07.35 | ScaredyCat | i take it you didn;t read the mailing list then niclone |
| 14:07.52 | Stephmw | XorA: aye, somebody at home didn't feel like answer the damn door ;-) |
| 14:08.05 | Stephmw | XorA: I'll pick it up tomorrow morning, thanks! |
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| 14:08.16 | niclone | i didn't notice any news about this in the mailing list also |
| 14:08.18 | XorA | Stephmw: just thoguht Id let you know in case it was on your way home |
| 14:08.49 | Stephmw | XorA: oh, it is, but the sorting offices in London close at 12:30 |
| 14:08.54 | ScaredyCat | you can send it to XorA and he can flash it. |
| 14:09.05 | Stephmw | XorA: and don't have the parcel the same day either |
| 14:09.06 | CM | niclone: There was some news.. |
| 14:09.07 | ScaredyCat | he just can't let you flash it |
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| 14:09.08 | XorA | Stephmw: WTF, its something like 8pm at night here |
| 14:09.10 | niclone | ah? |
| 14:09.20 | Stephmw | XorA: yeah, it boggles the mind |
| 14:09.40 | XorA | been a while since I lived in London |
| 14:09.58 | CM | niclone: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-November/011658.html |
| 14:10.28 | CM | niclone: Basically, they are unable to get in contact with the people they have to talk to. Just no one answering |
| 14:10.38 | niclone | :( |
| 14:10.56 | borg_ | Stephmw: is it true, that there are no pizza delivery services in london? :) |
| 14:11.20 | borg_ | i read The Long Dark Teatime of the Soul from douglas adans recently |
| 14:11.25 | Stephmw | naaaah |
| 14:11.25 | borg_ | it says there are none :P |
| 14:11.29 | ScaredyCat | wtf |
| 14:11.32 | Stephmw | I can get a pizza in 20mins |
| 14:11.33 | ScaredyCat | of course there are |
| 14:11.38 | ScaredyCat | holy crap.. |
| 14:11.40 | borg_ | :D |
| 14:11.41 | Stephmw | XorA: http://www.london-se1.co.uk/forum/read/1/14037/page=3 |
| 14:11.48 | borg_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Dark_Teatime_of_the_Soul |
| 14:11.59 | Stephmw | I think he was being sarcastic |
| 14:12.02 | ScaredyCat | I think you guys think we live in the dark ages still |
| 14:12.02 | borg_ | but the book is so cool :) |
| 14:12.11 | ScaredyCat | technologically we're ahead... |
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| 14:12.38 | niclone | oops |
| 14:12.51 | borg_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza_delivery#In_literature |
| 14:12.58 | borg_ | The focus of an extended passage in Douglas Adams' 1988 novel The Long Dark Teatime of the Soul was the lack of pizza delivery services in England at the time. |
| 14:12.59 | ScaredyCat | this is the sort of crap that results in the knob heads in the US ordering 30 ISDN lines, rather than an E1 for my wife's Amsterdam office |
| 14:13.01 | borg_ | :D |
| 14:14.20 | Stephmw | ... yeah, it's called Fiction for a reason :D |
| 14:14.26 | borg_ | ;) |
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| 14:14.31 | borg_ | i love the novel |
| 14:14.54 | borg_ | it is better then Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy imo :) |
| 14:14.56 | ScaredyCat | Stephmw: but it doesn't say don't dry your can on my microwave... |
| 14:15.07 | ScaredyCat | or... ouch this host coffee is hot |
| 14:15.12 | ScaredyCat | hot |
| 14:16.32 | robtaylor | borg_: it was true in the mid eighties when the book is set... |
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| 14:16.44 | ScaredyCat | what? |
| 14:16.54 | robtaylor | s/mid/early-mid/ |
| 14:16.56 | ScaredyCat | of course you could get pizza delivered in the mid 80's |
| 14:17.06 | ScaredyCat | I used to fecking work shifts, it's all we ate |
| 14:17.07 | borg_ | robtaylor: ah, ok :) |
| 14:17.41 | robtaylor | ScaredyCat: maybe it depended where you were :) |
| 14:17.49 | ScaredyCat | well, london |
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| 14:19.32 | Cap_J_L_Picard | ScaredyCat: ATM you can get it delvered at on in the morning out in Egham (pizza shop is in stains). |
| 14:20.12 | robtaylor | ScaredyCat: maybe it was just difficult round white city.. |
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| 14:21.01 | ScaredyCat | Cap_J_L_Picard: cold pizza only in the morning, please :D |
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| 14:21.18 | ScaredyCat | robtaylor: weird... never had any problems at all... |
| 14:21.30 | Cap_J_L_Picard | ScaredyCat: No, this is warm... |
| 14:21.44 | ScaredyCat | mmm... I think i'd give it a miss :) |
| 14:22.03 | ScaredyCat | I think 4am is my cut off point |
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| 14:42.38 | torpor | yo |
| 14:42.56 | torpor | hows things dudes..? |
| 14:43.23 | CM | torpor: Any luck with the Neo? |
| 14:44.28 | torpor | just firing up now for a debug session one more time |
| 14:44.34 | torpor | the last one (tuesday night) wasn't good. |
| 14:44.52 | torpor | now i've got a working GTA01 to test my board setup with, though, so i should be able to tell soon whether my jtag rig is working - on a normal phone - or not. |
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| 14:45.48 | CM | Ok, best of luck :) |
| 14:45.50 | torpor | i must confess that it is rather annoying not to have my neo. i was used to it being great to have around! |
| 14:45.58 | torpor | thx |
| 14:53.47 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 14:53.52 | mickeyl | my SIM card no longer gets recognized |
| 14:53.59 | mickeyl | ~lart gta01 sim holder |
| 14:53.59 | apt | stabs gta01 sim holder |
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| 14:55.43 | torpor | mickeyl: seriously? |
| 14:57.28 | torpor | ScaredyCat: you there? |
| 14:57.34 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 14:57.36 | mickeyl | CME ERROR 10 |
| 14:57.38 | mickeyl | *sigh* |
| 14:57.55 | torpor | i'm about to do the jtag dance.. i suppose i should just leave the tool running in a loop and wiggle as much as i can, eh? |
| 14:58.00 | torpor | some sort of voodoo to powerup order? |
| 14:58.29 | mickeyl | ooh |
| 14:58.36 | mickeyl | now it's there again |
| 14:58.42 | mickeyl | torpor: yeah |
| 14:58.49 | mickeyl | torpor: usually i do the following |
| 14:58.54 | mickeyl | detach everything from neo |
| 14:59.04 | mickeyl | remove battery |
| 14:59.08 | mickeyl | wait |
| 14:59.10 | mickeyl | insert battery |
| 14:59.16 | mickeyl | press power button for 1 second |
| 14:59.25 | mickeyl | attach debug board + usb |
| 14:59.54 | mickeyl | somewhere i have documented this |
| 14:59.59 | mickeyl | but don't ask me on which mailing list it was |
| 15:00.08 | torpor | great. i gotta do all that and i've got two dodgy connectors while i'm at it (the clip are gone on both sides) |
| 15:00.09 | mickeyl | it's definitely a bit flakey |
| 15:00.26 | mickeyl | can't you remount the clips ? are they really broken? |
| 15:00.34 | torpor | they are really broken |
| 15:00.54 | torpor | the debug board side has a lug missing, it can sorta be used but the cable flex flips it out quite easily. |
| 15:00.58 | torpor | the other side is bust. |
| 15:01.11 | torpor | i gotta say: those clips blow ass. please use a better connector, someone. |
| 15:01.22 | mickeyl | i have a debug board spare. where are you located? |
| 15:01.24 | torpor | (can't remember how many times i've complained about this on other hardware, not just neo .. . . .) |
| 15:01.31 | torpor | i'm in vienna, austria. |
| 15:02.02 | torpor | a spare would be nice, but getting this working now would be also nice, so i'm gonna do the dance. |
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| 15:02.34 | edistar | hi |
| 15:02.52 | ScaredyCat | meep |
| 15:03.05 | ScaredyCat | cM: what's that link to that graph again? |
| 15:03.24 | CM | http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/battvolt2.png |
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| 15:03.28 | BenO | torpor, your nick sounds familiar... did you do or are you doing some work with the gp2x? |
| 15:03.33 | ScaredyCat | ta |
| 15:03.51 | torpor | beno: yes, i was a bit into open2x |
| 15:03.55 | torpor | i put midishare arm on the gp2x |
| 15:03.57 | ScaredyCat | what was his nick CM ? |
| 15:03.59 | torpor | and i ported bcpl .. ;) |
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| 15:04.39 | torpor | mickeyl: do you have a good config file i could know and trust? |
| 15:04.40 | BenO | Ah yes, that was it :) nice work! I briefly had a play and ported a speccy emu for kicks, but ran out of time to do stuff at home |
| 15:05.21 | torpor | BenO: i bricked all 5 of my gpx's, so i moved on to neo.. ;) |
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| 15:06.21 | BenO | I'm not sure whether to comisserate or congratulate you on that! How's the Neo as a hardware in comparison? |
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| 15:06.37 | CM | BenO: Bricked.. ;) |
| 15:06.38 | torpor | up until 2 days ago i was having a blast with the neo |
| 15:06.52 | BenO | CM, of course... hence the JTAG :) |
| 15:06.54 | torpor | but to be honest i like the rawness of the gp2x better. |
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| 15:07.15 | mickeyl | torpor: IIRC http://people.openmoko.org/werner/openocd-debugv2.cfg is what i was using last time |
| 15:07.21 | mickeyl | but i have not been openocd/jtag since long |
| 15:07.24 | mickeyl | (knock on wood) |
| 15:07.37 | torpor | ok |
| 15:07.37 | mickeyl | it always pushes me back to days of unproductive work |
| 15:07.40 | torpor | well it doesn't look good here. |
| 15:07.56 | torpor | yeah, i've lost 3 days of steam, just when i was having a great time. not fun. |
| 15:08.20 | mickeyl | how did you brick it in the first place? |
| 15:08.22 | mickeyl | uboot? |
| 15:08.42 | torpor | yeah i wanted root-on-SD so i could move a big filesystem over and stop sharing it over USB .. |
| 15:08.47 | CM | ScaredyCat: Hmm.. I should try running that script too |
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| 15:09.10 | torpor | so i tried about 17 different uboots out to get it working, finally found one (from scaredy) that worked *just* as i flashed a very bad uboot |
| 15:09.13 | torpor | really shit timing. |
| 15:10.03 | torpor | so i've got the debug and usb hooked up, and my linux box is doing a loop on the devirginator cmd, and the neo is plugged in with a known good battery, and usb cable is up |
| 15:10.36 | torpor | you think i have to do have neo+debug board hooked up with the ribbon cable first, *then* plug in the debug USB, or is it going to be ufficient to do the connect/disconnect between the neo and the debug board? |
| 15:11.11 | torpor | CoreDump: the latest uboot does not do root-on-SD. the one that is known good is from may. and i did not get 17 non-working u-boot: i only got one. |
| 15:11.18 | mickeyl | attaching the debug board while it has power is not a good idea |
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| 15:11.23 | torpor | ok |
| 15:11.29 | torpor | i get it. |
| 15:11.57 | mickeyl | just a safety measure |
| 15:12.02 | torpor | no go |
| 15:12.19 | mickeyl | what do you get? JTAG chain not found? |
| 15:12.25 | torpor | yup |
| 15:12.27 | ScaredyCat | CM : http://pastebin.ca/775255 |
| 15:12.53 | ScaredyCat | you need to setup ssh keys otherwise it'll get very irritating |
| 15:13.04 | mickeyl | torpor: bummer, i'm afraid that's the cabling then. |
| 15:13.37 | torpor | so about that spare debug board mickeyl .. hwere you at? |
| 15:13.44 | mickeyl | Frankfurt, Germany |
| 15:14.15 | torpor | feel like shipping it to me here in vienna? |
| 15:14.22 | torpor | letting me fix my neo, then send it back to you? |
| 15:14.39 | torpor | or do you wanna come to vienna for the weekend, see some opera? |
| 15:14.39 | torpor | ;) |
| 15:14.44 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 15:14.47 | borg_ | =) |
| 15:14.50 | mickeyl | i was travelling too much this yera |
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| 15:14.57 | mickeyl | at one point i'd like to meet you |
| 15:14.59 | mickeyl | but not this year |
| 15:15.03 | mickeyl | send me your snailmail address |
| 15:15.03 | torpor | ok |
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| 15:15.21 | mickeyl | mickey@vanille-media.de |
| 15:16.02 | torpor | nice, thanks. |
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| 15:16.04 | torpor | sent |
| 15:16.18 | BenO | Is it possible to get a serial/terminal type connection to the OM, without using the debug board? (Just planning out an early xmas present to myself, and trying to work out if it'll cost 300 or 450 dollars...) |
| 15:16.23 | ScaredyCat | mickeyl++ |
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| 15:17.20 | BenO | Basically, I am asking if the dev kit is worth it... |
| 15:17.25 | torpor | mickeyl: ta very much. |
| 15:17.47 | mickeyl | np. :) |
| 15:18.00 | mickeyl | if i wasn't engineer, i'd like to be community dude |
| 15:18.07 | mickeyl | but alas, i can only do so many things... |
| 15:18.09 | torpor | BenO: to be honest, no. the ribbon connection to the debug board is so flakey that i would not recommend using it in a production-type system, where you want serial i/o to be reliable. |
| 15:18.17 | anrp | BenO: if you can solder, then no |
| 15:18.27 | anrp | also if you have a bluetooth-serial doohickey you could use that |
| 15:18.37 | torpor | if you're not planning on doing a lot of u-boot updates, no point getting the debug board. there are other ways to do JTAG that are not as dodgy. |
| 15:18.38 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: Stop doing so much things. |
| 15:18.44 | mickeyl | right |
| 15:18.47 | mickeyl | focus. |
| 15:18.55 | torpor | stefan_schmidt: after he does this one, last, thing fo rme .. ;) |
| 15:19.09 | stefan_schmidt | torpor: Famous last words. ;) |
| 15:19.28 | mickeyl | snapshot release on weekend (no matter how good or bad it is), and then Tools Tools Tools until 31th of Dec. |
| 15:19.31 | GodEater | is the datasheet for the 2410 available from somewhere ? Samsung's site says it's "either in preparation or not effective yet" |
| 15:19.45 | anrp | samsung's site fucking sucks |
| 15:19.51 | anrp | whoever thought flash was a good idea needs to be shot |
| 15:19.54 | torpor | mickeyl: nice. i hope to get back to working on apps apps apps, then, as of the weekend... |
| 15:19.56 | ScaredyCat | mickeyl: any idea what /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgstate should read ? |
| 15:20.08 | ScaredyCat | s/read/contain/ |
| 15:20.20 | edistar | mickeyl: whats up on 31th Dec? |
| 15:20.43 | stefan_schmidt | edistar: Next year is coming? |
| 15:20.47 | stefan_schmidt | edistar: kidding |
| 15:20.51 | anrp | lies |
| 15:20.52 | mickeyl | edistar: end of the year and my hope that I can come back to platform architecture |
| 15:20.57 | edistar | stefan_schmidt: ah, ok |
| 15:21.05 | edistar | mickeyl: thx, what exactly are you doing now? |
| 15:21.33 | mickeyl | ScaredyCat: should read fast_enabled or pre |
| 15:21.39 | ScaredyCat | mmm.... |
| 15:21.41 | mickeyl | edistar: SDK |
| 15:21.47 | ScaredyCat | mine says <NULL> |
| 15:21.47 | mickeyl | ScaredyCat: interestingly i get: |
| 15:22.00 | mickeyl | <NULL> fast_enabled <NULL> |
| 15:22.08 | anrp | null pointers ftw |
| 15:22.10 | mickeyl | looks like a kernel regression |
| 15:22.14 | BenO | torpor, anrp ty for the advice |
| 15:22.22 | anrp | at least you know its broken ;) |
| 15:22.46 | mickeyl | I was supposed to work on framework / platform / rich APIs, but got dragged into other things |
| 15:23.16 | mickeyl | so i'm going to do toolchain and SDK for now |
| 15:23.24 | mickeyl | hoping i can come back to what i can do best soon |
| 15:24.11 | torpor | mickeyl: i'm sure your toolchain work will pay off. |
| 15:24.41 | mickeyl | well, it's a necessity. |
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| 15:24.49 | mickeyl | i have realized that too late |
| 15:25.01 | mickeyl | many people are using OE who should not |
| 15:25.08 | torpor | when i plug in the debug board, led7 flashes. thats normal right? |
| 15:25.11 | mickeyl | so i'm giving them a chance to do it differently |
| 15:25.25 | torpor | mickeyl: its a distro thing now, man. |
| 15:25.39 | torpor | OE is partial to all the same rules and problems that Gentoo and Ubuntu and Debian are, etc. |
| 15:25.51 | torpor | focus on *your* distro and its users. |
| 15:26.36 | torpor | i wish there were some way to make sure the CPU is being reset or powerd on or something .. |
| 15:27.07 | SpeedEvil | torpor: supply current should tell you |
| 15:27.11 | mickeyl | torpor: some guys reported luck with holding the reset button until openocd has a connection |
| 15:27.22 | torpor | SpeedEvil: how do i do that? multimeter? |
| 15:27.26 | anrp | the shotgun approach |
| 15:27.28 | anrp | try everything D: |
| 15:27.28 | BenO | Forgive me I haven't looked at the Android platform chipset requirements, but is anyone contemplating a port to the Neo hardware? |
| 15:27.29 | torpor | mickeyl: thats good info i'll try it. |
| 15:27.41 | anrp | and if that fails, use the shotgun |
| 15:27.47 | SpeedEvil | If you've truly wiped the flash, then there will just be the steppingstone boot code |
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| 15:28.08 | torpor | SpeedEvil: i'm pretty sure i've wiped uboot falsely .. |
| 15:28.14 | SpeedEvil | I dunno what that'll do if there is no flash to boot - it may simply jump to the beginning of flash, and attempt to run it |
| 15:28.40 | SpeedEvil | torpor: do you ahve a DMM? |
| 15:28.43 | anrp | and nop around |
| 15:28.54 | torpor | the steppingstone code is only going to get the ARM set up and then ready to boot 0x0 right? |
| 15:29.05 | SpeedEvil | torpor: as I understand it, yes |
| 15:29.15 | SpeedEvil | the steppingstone code is the 48K of internal RO |
| 15:29.15 | SpeedEvil | M |
| 15:29.18 | torpor | SpeedEvil: yes, i'm at metalab right now (http://metalab.at/) .. we've got scopes and other things too . |
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| 15:29.32 | SpeedEvil | that is only settable if you buy millions |
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| 15:30.55 | SpeedEvil | torpor: take some copper tape, 2mm wide or so. place on the edge of a 4mm bit of insulator so that it forms a 'u' with the paper in the middle. Now, cut the end, so you've got a bit of paper 4mm wide, with copper tape on both sides, insulated from each other. Attach meter to copper tape some way |
| 15:30.57 | torpor | okay so the thing is, the battery would be at least a *bit* warm if there was something going on right? |
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| 15:31.05 | SpeedEvil | maybe not |
| 15:33.11 | PBeck | hi |
| 15:33.43 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 15:33.48 | mickeyl | is 'L' giving you results ? |
| 15:33.52 | mickeyl | i can see the results coming in |
| 15:33.59 | mickeyl | but they're not displayed in libgsmd-tool |
| 15:34.37 | Sup3rkiddo | hu all |
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| 15:34.48 | torpor | hey |
| 15:35.02 | torpor | i just got (Nuber of discovered devices in JTAG chain (578) doesnt match configuration (1)) |
| 15:35.05 | torpor | thats something right? |
| 15:35.12 | mickeyl | never seen that one :/ |
| 15:35.24 | mickeyl | you're using openocd from OE? |
| 15:35.30 | torpor | devirginator |
| 15:35.38 | anrp | 578 devices! |
| 15:35.50 | anrp | there probably aren't even 578 0402 components on there |
| 15:35.55 | anrp | ;o |
| 15:36.07 | anrp | although i could be wrong .. 0402 is crazy small |
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| 15:37.35 | torpor | okay now i'm putting the battery back in a known-good neo and its not powering up .. so how do i reset the battery again? |
| 15:38.39 | anrp | hope |
| 15:38.39 | CoreDump | there is nothing to reset. It's probably emtpy. Happens here all the bloody time as well. And recharging is a PITA |
| 15:38.44 | anrp | blood, sweat and tears |
| 15:38.54 | torpor | okay i'm gonna recharge then. |
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| 15:39.02 | torpor | i will not give up until my app is ready for openmoko! :) |
| 15:39.05 | mickeyl | ;) |
| 15:39.08 | CoreDump | =) |
| 15:39.09 | mickeyl | you might want to buy a DT14 |
| 15:39.13 | mickeyl | pretty cheap |
| 15:39.17 | anrp | if you have a bench supply, you can juice the battery with 4.1v (measure it with a multimeter first to make sure its not above 4.2) |
| 15:39.18 | mickeyl | and charges the Neo battery 75% |
| 15:39.28 | Sup3rkiddo | lesson to self: dont mess with uboot, |
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| 15:40.15 | anrp | and by it i mean the bench supply |
| 15:40.26 | torpor | yeah we have a bench supply here. |
| 15:40.29 | anrp | if the battery's dead it'll show 2.7 to 0 volts |
| 15:40.34 | CoreDump | mickeyl: u-boot should probably try to charge w/ 500mA by default and ignore possible USB resets ;) A dead battery is very hard to recover from w/ todays PM config |
| 15:40.37 | torpor | what do i do anrp? 'juice the battery' with 4.1v - how many amps? |
| 15:40.42 | BenO | torpor, What app are you putting on openmoko? (When it's unbricked anyway) |
| 15:40.52 | anrp | 4.1v should charge the battery at a rate under an amp |
| 15:40.52 | mickeyl | CoreDump: that way it will blow lots of laptops |
| 15:41.04 | torpor | BenO: a music machine, for playing back samples and midi files, and dynamically playing live sets, over the phone line .. ;) |
| 15:41.05 | anrp | but if you want to set a limit, set it at the mAh cap of the battery, so 850ma |
| 15:41.07 | CoreDump | not blow, just crash windows =) |
| 15:41.11 | mickeyl | heh |
| 15:41.18 | BenO | torpor, similar to the gp2x one? |
| 15:41.30 | torpor | BenO: superior in all respects! :) |
| 15:41.34 | Stephmw | doesn't windows just complain if your power drain is too high? |
| 15:41.34 | torpor | its a music tool. |
| 15:41.38 | torpor | sort of a mini-DAW.. |
| 15:41.54 | BenO | torpor, excellent :) and good luck! |
| 15:41.58 | torpor | yup |
| 15:41.59 | CoreDump | mickeyl: or GTA02 should ship w/ a "always 500mA" wall-charger |
| 15:42.11 | torpor | i want to release in december, so i've gotta get this working this week. ;) |
| 15:42.44 | mickeyl | CoreDump: yes, some months ago that was the plan |
| 15:42.46 | mickeyl | ... |
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| 15:42.56 | BenO | torpor, Can you also hint to the people running the Metalab that opening a Lab in Oxford, UK would be nice :) |
| 15:43.07 | CoreDump | The current situation (pun intended) is less than ideal ;) |
| 15:43.10 | edistar | mickeyl: when will the gta-02-europe be shipped? |
| 15:44.12 | edistar | mickeyl: a good guess? |
| 15:44.35 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 15:44.37 | ScaredyCat | lol - |
| 15:44.39 | mickeyl | March |
| 15:44.42 | torpor | BenO: do it yourself! :) |
| 15:45.08 | edistar | mickeyl: ok |
| 15:45.28 | BenO | torpor, But I'm a poor and lazy person :) |
| 15:45.45 | torpor | then you won't have much use for a metalab oxford then! |
| 15:45.46 | torpor | ;) |
| 15:45.59 | torpor | but it sure is fun here, that is true. lots of very busy enthusiastic hackers. |
| 15:46.10 | torpor | who love to scoff when i tell them i've bricked the opnmoko and it won't come back, incidentally! |
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| 15:47.39 | anrp | pfft |
| 15:47.42 | anrp | you have one, they don't |
| 15:47.56 | anrp | for some definitions of they |
| 15:50.01 | ScaredyCat | is it working yet torpor? |
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| 15:52.40 | torpor | ScaredyCat: nope |
| 15:52.48 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 15:52.49 | torpor | its bad news i'm afraid. |
| 15:52.59 | ScaredyCat | no luck with the debug board? |
| 15:53.02 | torpor | nope |
| 15:53.05 | ScaredyCat | I know they are a PITA... |
| 15:53.07 | torpor | it does not work, plain and simple. |
| 15:53.22 | ScaredyCat | but did you just keep trying and trying |
| 15:53.33 | torpor | im gonna now test it on a working neo that i have only permission to use for a few minutes.. |
| 15:53.47 | anrp | uh oh |
| 15:53.48 | torpor | ScaredyCat: while (1) do ; openocd -f openocd.df done |
| 15:53.49 | anrp | its gonna break D: |
| 15:53.54 | anrp | .. sorry |
| 15:53.57 | torpor | shut up! |
| 15:53.58 | SpeedEvil | why? |
| 15:54.07 | mwester | the tension builds.... |
| 15:54.19 | ScaredyCat | torpor: how about a sleep in there |
| 15:54.26 | torpor | yeah |
| 15:54.30 | torpor | sleep 1 |
| 15:56.13 | BenO | I just need a little more advice: I'm looking for a hacking project atm, something that has mobile connectivity and is open to play with. Is the Neo hardware good to play around with, or should i wait? |
| 15:56.31 | anrp | as long as you only need it as a hardware platform and not a phone, the neo would work now |
| 15:56.43 | anrp | for an hw platform, its well documented, has good accessories, etc |
| 15:56.46 | anrp | as a phone... not so much |
| 15:57.13 | ScaredyCat | well, you might want to consider waiting, or a nokia 770, 800 |
| 15:57.29 | ScaredyCat | it kinda depends what you want to hack |
| 15:57.41 | SpeedEvil | There are some fundamental hardware problems with GTA01 - but these may not effect you. |
| 15:57.46 | torpor | okay the good neo is rigged up to the debug board. |
| 15:57.56 | torpor | it is booted up.. i should be able to break the CPU right? |
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| 15:58.02 | BenO | Hmm, it's the 'new' set of devices such as gprs, sms'ing etc that I would like to play with. Yeah, Nokia 810 looked interesting, but it's WiFi only? |
| 15:58.05 | ScaredyCat | ok.... |
| 15:58.20 | torpor | BenO: get the gta02, or something else (nokia) if you can't wait. |
| 15:58.22 | anrp | yeah the gsm is a nice touch for an hw platform |
| 15:58.37 | edistar | BenO: wiki and bt |
| 15:58.41 | anrp | and relative to comparable dev boards feature wise, its a fucking steal |
| 15:58.42 | torpor | mickeyl: you still there? |
| 15:58.51 | mickeyl | kind of |
| 15:59.02 | anrp | but gta02 will have wifi, so ... |
| 15:59.03 | ScaredyCat | drunk eh? :P |
| 15:59.03 | mickeyl | torpor: you should be able to reset halt |
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| 16:00.03 | BenO | anrp, I'm not so interested in WiFi, it's more the shiny mobile networking/comms that I want to play around with. |
| 16:02.29 | anrp | i would recommend it w/o question if it had an easily accessible serial port |
| 16:02.31 | torpor | ok can i bend your ear: i have a working neo hooked up, and when i hit the reset button the neo reboots. that is nice |
| 16:02.37 | torpor | but the JTAG apps say nothing! |
| 16:02.39 | anrp | it doesn't... but its not impossibly accessible :/ |
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| 16:03.10 | torpor | what this means is that the debug talking to the hardware device is working, right? |
| 16:04.06 | mickeyl | torpor: yeah |
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| 16:04.49 | torpor | so that is good news. |
| 16:05.04 | torpor | it means the debug board can communicate over its flakey connection. |
| 16:05.20 | torpor | so why is my JTAG failng .. |
| 16:06.15 | anrp | i don't think that's causing his problem :p |
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| 16:08.14 | jmichel | I am building a linux software to OM, I converted the Makefile into a bb file but I need to link to some libs |
| 16:08.27 | jmichel | for example I was using "LDFLAGS += -lpthread" in the Makefile |
| 16:09.10 | jmichel | can I do the same in my bb file? for example can I add values to ${LDFLAGS} ? |
| 16:09.16 | Hadaka | a quickie heretic question for you guys... |
| 16:09.25 | torpor | okay i've got the following results: the good neo (which is now going back to its owner) can be put on the JTAG cable, and the hardware reset of the debug board will reset the neo. but the openocd stuff (devirginator) doesn't work. |
| 16:09.47 | torpor | this means that the cable rig of the debug board *should* be okay, even if its delicate. |
| 16:09.53 | Hadaka | has anyone used the openmoko GSM over USB in uboot and the Android simulator together to drive the Neo1973 GSM with Android software? :) |
| 16:10.12 | torpor | so there is something else wrong with the neo that doesn't allow it to boot. i will now charge all the batteries as much as i can... |
| 16:10.20 | woglinde | jmichel .bb is no replacement for Makefiles |
| 16:10.34 | torpor | Hadaka: probably google and FIC and HTC have .. ;) |
| 16:10.42 | torpor | ther'es no reason you can't. |
| 16:12.33 | jmichel | woglinde: What I did is creating a bb file that does the same in the do_compile() that my Makefile was doing. |
| 16:13.40 | woglinde | jmichel why? |
| 16:13.50 | woglinde | use your Makefile and you are done |
| 16:14.15 | flexd | uhm, has there big some big news today i've missed? |
| 16:14.25 | flexd | I thought i saw someone talk about something :< |
| 16:14.35 | woglinde | do_compile() is mostly used when the upstream Makefile is shitty |
| 16:14.40 | jmichel | In the example in the wiki dev crash course a bb file is created to buid the myhelloworld. Want can I do other than that to build with the good LD options for the cross compiler ? |
| 16:15.03 | torpor | jmichel: use autotools |
| 16:15.15 | torpor | jmichel: http://w1xer.de/OpenMoko_DevNotesDRAFT.txt |
| 16:15.19 | woglinde | torpor thats what I want said in the next 3 minutes |
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| 16:15.44 | torpor | woglinde: http://w1xer.de/OpenMoko_DevNotesDRAFT.txt |
| 16:16.14 | jmichel | I wanted to use autotools but since the software used only a make file I tought it would be simpler to just create a bb file instead |
| 16:16.47 | woglinde | torpor I know your docu |
| 16:16.58 | woglinde | and mostly I know autotools |
| 16:17.46 | jmichel | torpor: I'll check your doc and come back if any questions |
| 16:18.35 | torpor | woglinde: well i don't know what you want talked about in the next 3 minutes then, but me : i wanna know what happened to my broke neo'! it not the debug board, it seems .. |
| 16:18.59 | woglinde | torpor hm |
| 16:19.03 | woglinde | I dont know |
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| 16:19.59 | ScaredyCat | you missed a trick there torpor |
| 16:20.22 | ScaredyCat | you gave the wrong neo back ;) |
| 16:21.03 | torpor | hah! |
| 16:21.08 | torpor | no he made sure it was his. ;) |
| 16:21.09 | jmichel | woglinde You said to use my Makefile but will it build for the Neo architecture? it is only a Makefile for linux, no autotools is used |
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| 16:29.22 | woglinde | jmichel use $CC |
| 16:29.38 | woglinde | and bitbake will set the variable automagicial |
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| 16:40.07 | anrp | automagical :o |
| 16:43.10 | _diego_ | automagically? |
| 16:43.16 | _diego_ | i suppose ^^ |
| 16:44.14 | woglinde | *g* |
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| 16:52.25 | mickeyl | ok, i didn't look at gsmd for quite a while |
| 16:52.29 | mickeyl | perhaps someone knows: |
| 16:52.38 | mickeyl | <mickeyl> how do events and messages relate nowadays? |
| 16:52.38 | mickeyl | <mickeyl> i.e. where's the difference between GSMD_MSG_VOICECALL and GSMD_EVT_IN_CALL ? |
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| 17:18.52 | bedboi | i'm gonna port gpe-sudoku to openmoko |
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| 18:43.32 | torpor | yo |
| 18:43.45 | torpor | anyone else snowed in? |
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| 18:45.27 | CM | Only some frost here :) |
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| 18:49.17 | torpor | did the menu bug get fixed? the one where openmoko-today only shows a few lame categories of app and there's nothing in them? |
| 18:49.22 | edistar | torpor: where do you live? |
| 18:49.29 | torpor | edistar: vienna austria |
| 18:49.46 | torpor | snowing like mad here. we're not snowed in, but it is definitely chaos outside and warm and cozy inside. |
| 18:49.54 | edistar | torpor: cool! I want to come to Wien :) |
| 18:50.03 | torpor | i hope it stays this way for a few days anyway .. |
| 18:50.09 | edistar | yeah |
| 18:50.17 | torpor | where are you edistar ? |
| 18:50.39 | CM | Wien is a really nice town. I liked the natural history museum |
| 18:50.46 | torpor | haven't been there yet |
| 18:50.47 | torpor | ;) |
| 18:50.49 | edistar | in west-germany |
| 18:50.54 | torpor | so much to do here and when you live here, its like .. meh .. |
| 18:51.01 | torpor | edistar: right, bochum right? |
| 18:51.08 | edistar | torpor: roughly |
| 18:51.18 | CM | Heh, I know, it's always like that. You're never doing touristy things in your home town.. |
| 18:51.19 | torpor | you work for nokia don't you? |
| 18:54.27 | edistar | torpor: who works for nokia? |
| 18:54.39 | torpor | sorry i thought you did. |
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| 18:54.53 | torpor | i forget if it was you or someone who lived near bochum and worked for nokia .. |
| 18:54.56 | edistar | torpor: no :P I still go to school:( |
| 18:55.48 | torpor | alles klar. edistar but you live close to bochum? |
| 18:56.56 | edistar | torpor: yes, well, about 1 hour away, but noone knows Kleve :P |
| 18:57.37 | torpor | i used to live in recklinghausen, so i know kleve .. ;) |
| 18:58.00 | edistar | torpor: cool! finally :P |
| 18:58.32 | edistar | torpor: but it's a small city :( nothing going on, only bad IT shops |
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| 19:07.58 | abraxa_ | edistar: I camped there once |
| 19:08.18 | edistar | abraxa_: wow, was it nice? |
| 19:08.20 | abraxa_ | (not like it matters any ;p) |
| 19:08.32 | edistar | :P |
| 19:08.50 | abraxa_ | Yeah, lol... |
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| 20:39.19 | flexd | uhm |
| 20:39.25 | flexd | this is gonna sound a bit stupid |
| 20:39.28 | flexd | but |
| 20:39.45 | flexd | what's the name of the guy that talked to me about python-gdkinput a while ago? (like a day? :/) |
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| 20:46.41 | gi-el | 23:22 < josch> flexd, python-gdkinput seems to be exactly what I need :-/ |
| 20:46.46 | flexd | aha |
| 20:46.50 | gi-el | that's what lastlog tells me |
| 20:47.11 | flexd | well blah he's not here :/ |
| 20:47.20 | flexd | I found a better way to do it, but he's not here :/ |
| 20:49.38 | torpor | like what? |
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| 20:50.05 | flexd | gobject.io_add_watch() |
| 20:50.44 | flexd | something lik |
| 20:50.44 | flexd | e |
| 20:51.17 | flexd | goject.io_add_watch(mysocket,gobject.IO_IN,dataCallback) |
| 20:51.19 | flexd | :) |
| 20:51.51 | flexd | def dataCallback(source, cb_condition, ...) |
| 20:54.03 | flexd | http://roscidus.com/desktop/node/413 |
| 20:54.11 | flexd | sample usage for it |
| 20:56.46 | anrp | man, whats with all the hate for threads D: |
| 20:57.02 | flexd | where's the hate? :/ |
| 20:57.16 | anrp | .. in general :p |
| 20:57.25 | anrp | people try to avoid them and such |
| 20:57.30 | edistar | why is buildhost.openmoko.org down? |
| 21:05.24 | edistar | ScaredyCat: can I somehow tell make qemu to use your repository for downloading files? buildhost.openmoko.org seems to be down |
| 21:10.01 | balrog-kun | i think i'll add an option in download.sh to download from ScaredyCat's buildhost |
| 21:10.34 | edistar | balrog-kun: can you tell me how? |
| 21:11.28 | balrog-kun | edistar: just edit the URL in openmoko/env and change the wildcards |
| 21:11.56 | edistar | balrog-kun: ok, thx |
| 21:12.29 | balrog-kun | i had to make a presentation today and wanted to show one thing from the qemu-neo1973 working |
| 21:12.41 | edistar | balrog-kun: where is openmoko/env? |
| 21:12.48 | cjb_ie | balrog-kun: it powers up? |
| 21:13.01 | mwester | cjb_ie: wise guy! :P |
| 21:13.25 | balrog-kun | some twenty minutes before the presentation i started trying to download the stuff and the buildhost wasn't responding so i got the images from ScaredyCat's host |
| 21:13.33 | balrog-kun | edistar: in qemu-neo1973 main directory |
| 21:13.44 | balrog-kun | cjb_ie: what powers up? |
| 21:13.45 | edistar | balrog-kun: is it a txt file? |
| 21:13.51 | balrog-kun | edistar: yes, a shell script |
| 21:14.05 | balrog-kun | the last line has the URL iirc |
| 21:14.25 | cjb_ie | balrog-kun: the backlight? |
| 21:14.44 | edistar | balrog-kun: I can't find it in qemu-1973/ |
| 21:15.12 | balrog-kun | cjb_ie: err, whose device? |
| 21:15.34 | balrog-kun | edistar: there's a directory in qemu-neo1973 called openmoko and in it is "env" |
| 21:15.57 | edistar | balrog-kun: there is one dir called openmoko but there is nothing in it |
| 21:16.15 | woglinde | qemu-neo rockz |
| 21:16.31 | balrog-kun | edistar: humm |
| 21:16.47 | balrog-kun | edistar: the structure should look like in http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ |
| 21:16.56 | edistar | woglinde: it's really slow, maybe thats because of my athlon64? |
| 21:17.11 | edistar | balrog-kun: what is that? |
| 21:17.16 | balrog-kun | edistar: do you have a real Neo? |
| 21:17.22 | edistar | balrog-kun: no |
| 21:17.27 | edistar | qemu |
| 21:17.42 | flexd | edistar: qemu is sloooow |
| 21:17.43 | balrog-kun | edistar: well, it's not slow compared to a real Neo :) |
| 21:17.44 | flexd | all the time |
| 21:17.49 | flexd | balrog-kun: yes it is |
| 21:18.02 | flexd | neo ui = Fast |
| 21:18.04 | edistar | flexd: I hope its much slower than neo :P |
| 21:18.05 | balrog-kun | flexd: on my computer it's faster the physical Neo |
| 21:18.16 | flexd | qemu ui = retarded slow menus |
| 21:18.19 | edistar | flexd: I wanted to build it natively but that doesn't work.. |
| 21:18.25 | flexd | balrog-kun: what kind of machine do you have? |
| 21:18.35 | edistar | balrog-kun: a quad core 5ghz :P |
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| 21:18.56 | balrog-kun | 2 GHz dual core |
| 21:19.08 | edistar | balrog-kun: I have that too :( |
| 21:19.20 | balrog-kun | but the number of cores doesn't matter the least |
| 21:19.34 | flexd | i have a 3ghz xeon, still laggy :/ |
| 21:21.04 | edistar | flexd: do you think it may be cause it's built for i386 and runs on an athlon? i had that once.. |
| 21:21.16 | edistar | with ltsp and it's client build image |
| 21:21.49 | edistar | how can I search again in cli? |
| 21:23.39 | xaid|work | edistar: `find /path -iname somefilename` should work i think |
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| 21:23.59 | edistar | xaid|work: -iname is what? |
| 21:24.25 | xaid|work | thats a command line option :) |
| 21:24.34 | edistar | xaid|work: ok ;) |
| 21:24.40 | edistar | well, it doesn't find env.. |
| 21:24.43 | xaid|work | case insensitive name matching basically |
| 21:24.54 | edistar | ah, ok , thx |
| 21:25.07 | xaid|work | `which env` doesn't find env for you? |
| 21:25.53 | flexd | you know.. if twisted (http://twistedmatrix.com) would run efficiently on OM |
| 21:26.08 | flexd | It would like heaven for python programs involving network stuff :o |
| 21:26.13 | edistar | xaid|work: no |
| 21:26.14 | flexd | and pygtk |
| 21:26.17 | edistar | I'll build again |
| 21:26.34 | xaid|work | :) |
| 21:27.35 | cjb_ie | xaid|work: isn't that what irc is for? |
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| 21:28.40 | edistar | ScaredyCats url was? |
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| 21:29.40 | xaid|work | cjb_ie: yea :) but i was referring to what edistar was asking regarding env. i was switching irssi windows when i saw the question about find so i answered it without checking the rest of the conversation |
| 21:29.45 | balrog-kun | edistar: what directory are you in? |
| 21:29.58 | edistar | balrog-kun: I found my env ;) I changed it to buildhost.automated.it but now it can't find anything anymore |
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| 21:30.45 | edistar | balrog-kun: balrog-kun: moko/build/qemu/openmoko |
| 21:30.58 | edistar | balrog-kun: in that folder I edited env |
| 21:31.07 | balrog-kun | edistar: okay |
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| 21:34.59 | edistar | balrog-kun: it can't find */tmp/* because it doesn't exist on buildhost.automated.it |
| 21:35.41 | edistar | balrog-kun: what should I do? |
| 21:35.44 | balrog-kun | edistar: you need to give it the full url to the images and also make the wildcards match |
| 21:35.57 | edistar | balrog-kun: please help me ;) |
| 21:36.03 | balrog-kun | obviously don't use tmp if there's no tmp :) |
| 21:36.14 | edistar | balrog-kun: that's what I thought too :P |
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| 21:39.02 | edistar | balrog-kun: but I don't know how |
| 21:40.04 | balrog-kun | then download the images manually and just rename the appropriately or use MokoMakefile to build them |
| 21:40.30 | edistar | balrog-kun: one moment, once I built openmoko-devel-image |
| 21:40.36 | edistar | balrog-kun: what exactly is that? |
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| 21:42.13 | balrog-kun | edistar: what exactly is openmoko-devel-image? |
| 21:42.29 | balrog-kun | edistar: i guess it's the rootfs? |
| 21:42.41 | balrog-kun | i don't use MokoMakefile, i don't know how it works |
| 21:42.49 | edistar | balrog-kun: well, I built it with make openmoko-devel-image |
| 21:43.07 | edistar | balrog-kun: maybe you could give me a link where I can just do what it says? |
| 21:43.08 | edistar | :P |
| 21:43.37 | balrog-kun | edistar: i don't think such link exists |
| 21:44.02 | edistar | balrog-kun: not nice.. it does exist for buildhost.openmoko.org |
| 21:44.12 | edistar | balrog-kun: but now the link is dead, thats why it doesn't work for me anymore |
| 21:45.03 | edistar | openmoko/flash.sh doesn't work anymore either.. |
| 21:45.15 | balrog-kun | if you decide to do something manually or go a non-standard way, you know you will need to do some thinking for yourself |
| 21:45.36 | balrog-kun | there's no pages that tell you what to do for non-standard ways, otherwise they would be standard |
| 21:45.43 | edistar | balrog-kun: well, what is the standard? |
| 21:46.06 | edistar | balrog-kun: I'm trying to think but it's the first time ever I've tried this kind of stuff so it's a bit difficult.. |
| 21:46.15 | balrog-kun | edistar: to download from buildhost.om.o (which is down at the moment) or build with MokoMakefile |
| 21:46.35 | edistar | balrog-kun: mokomakefile uses buildhost.om.org too |
| 21:46.53 | balrog-kun | edistar: oh |
| 21:46.57 | balrog-kun | does it? |
| 21:47.37 | edistar | balrog-kun: yes :( that's the problem, I tried to change the env the mokomakefile uses, thats my question, how do I change it to scaredycats buildohst |
| 21:47.40 | edistar | buildhost |
| 21:48.08 | balrog-kun | as i mentioned i will add a way to download from buildhost.automated.it in the evening, when i get other stuff done so you shouldn't need buildhost.om.org then |
| 21:48.33 | edistar | balrog-kun: lovely.. |
| 21:48.36 | edistar | whats your time? |
| 21:49.00 | balrog-kun | 22:48 but got tons of stuff to do for today :( |
| 21:49.24 | edistar | balrog-kun: ah, ok.. I was wondering what you want to do this evening.. |
| 21:49.34 | edistar | you have an hour left ;) |
| 21:50.13 | edistar | why is om down anyway? |
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| 22:02.48 | apaulsen | does someone have a recent settingsgui .bb recipe they are willing to share? |
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| 22:05.35 | mstevens | Anyone know what class the laser pointer is? |
| 22:07.00 | CoreDump | the usual one |
| 22:07.19 | mstevens | which is? |
| 22:07.51 | edistar | mstevens: what do you mean? |
| 22:07.52 | CoreDump | umm |
| 22:08.05 | CoreDump | well, dunno. It isn't written anywhere |
| 22:08.09 | edistar | mstevens: the wiki tells you I think |
| 22:08.20 | edistar | mstevens: why does it matter? |
| 22:08.36 | mstevens | edistar: cos I accidentally flashed it near my eyes, which set me wondering if I can damage them with it |
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| 22:12.01 | edistar | mstevens: ah, sry, can't tell you |
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| 22:17.01 | edistar | I get setenv bootcmd ' and then sometime later it breaks off.. |
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| 22:27.54 | rwhitby | morning |
| 22:29.05 | rwhitby | edistar: if you've built the image locally, then use the -local versions of the flash targets. |
| 22:29.41 | edistar | rwhitby: ok, thx |
| 22:30.12 | rwhitby | there are -local versions of the target that flashes the real device and also the target that runs qemu |
| 22:31.02 | edistar | ah, ok |
| 22:32.00 | edistar | I have just watched a video where a dutch hacker claims to be able to send an sms to everyone in the surrounding of 25 meters, is that possible? |
| 22:34.20 | SpeedEvil | No - without pretending to be a base-station |
| 22:34.37 | edistar | SpeedEvil: is it possible to pretend to be a base-station? |
| 22:34.39 | SpeedEvil | SMS are cell-site to phone only |
| 22:34.58 | edistar | SpeedEvil: he was talking about cell-broadcasting or something like that |
| 22:35.05 | SpeedEvil | In theory, with a man-in-the-middle attack |
| 22:35.33 | cjb_ie | edistar: depends on the radio in the phone, i would say. i'd say most phone radios can't be configured to reverse the rx and tx channel frequencies |
| 22:35.36 | edistar | SpeedEvil: I'll send you the video link, do you have a minute? I am really curious.. |
| 22:35.47 | SpeedEvil | it's a cell broadcast, they are only sent by the cell-tower. |
| 22:36.08 | edistar | SpeedEvil: | |
| 22:36.36 | edistar | SpeedEvil: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JpRQu5HQEQ&eurl=http://www.radio538.nl/web/show/id=116527/contentid=30069 |
| 22:36.37 | SpeedEvil | However, it's not impossible that if the phone is not logged into a cell, it may show public cell broadcasts if a cell-site lets it roam onto it. |
| 22:36.41 | SpeedEvil | I'm not completely sure. |
| 22:38.30 | ScaredyCat | gneh! |
| 22:38.38 | ScaredyCat | who wrote feedreader? |
| 22:39.42 | SpeedEvil | I suspect it's edi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluejacking |
| 22:39.48 | edistar | SpeedEvil: so in principle what they received was a cell broadcast, not an sms? |
| 22:41.09 | SpeedEvil | no - I suspect it's bluetooth, not a cell broadcast |
| 22:41.19 | edistar | SpeedEvil: would it look like a normal sms? |
| 22:41.20 | SpeedEvil | As a phone can't send it |
| 22:41.25 | SpeedEvil | I don't know |
| 22:41.39 | ScaredyCat | it'sn't it just a vcaed? |
| 22:41.44 | ScaredyCat | vcard |
| 22:41.49 | ScaredyCat | boradcast |
| 22:42.03 | edistar | SpeedEvil: because it really seemed very dodgy that he just pressed send and everyone in the surrounding got an sms, at least their sms sounds went off |
| 22:43.29 | SpeedEvil | A phone can't send cell broadcasts, or pretend to be a tower |
| 22:44.11 | edistar | SpeedEvil: very sure? he says so on youtube.. |
| 22:44.14 | SpeedEvil | it's going to be bluetooth - look at http://www.bluejackq.com/what-is-bluejacking.shtml |
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| 22:44.43 | Tene | If I trusted everything everyone said on youtube... |
| 22:44.47 | SpeedEvil | It could theoretically be a cell broadcast however it would be a really complex modification to the phone |
| 22:45.03 | edistar | it looks like the original samsung OS is still on there.. |
| 22:45.23 | edistar | but it really looks like he is sending an sms, it looks like the sms editor |
| 22:45.33 | anrp | could be a custom java app |
| 22:45.40 | anrp | hell could be photoshopped |
| 22:46.00 | anrp | could be cut in time, .. etc |
| 22:46.05 | edistar | anrp: but then why would all these phone go off.. |
| 22:46.16 | edistar | i'm just puzzled how he does that.. |
| 22:46.20 | anrp | bt pairing request |
| 22:46.23 | anrp | pretty simple imo |
| 22:46.32 | SpeedEvil | Or BT contact sharing |
| 22:46.47 | anrp | yeah, something that would be allowed unauthenticated |
| 22:47.04 | edistar | why'd go off all at the same time, is that possible? |
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| 22:47.39 | anrp | well its probably not exactly the same time .. but within a couple seconds you could probably scan the BT network around you and send to all devices found |
| 22:48.01 | edistar | anrp: yes, it's slightly offset.. |
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| 22:48.12 | anrp | or you could continuously scan and then rapidfire messages when its ready |
| 22:48.28 | edistar | sry for badgering you, but this seems quite impossible to me, that someone can just send the surrounding sms |
| 22:48.32 | Any_Key | morning |
| 22:48.45 | edistar | anrp: I suppose java vms allow access to bt? |
| 22:48.48 | anrp | its probably ... well, almost certainly, not an SMS over GSM |
| 22:48.54 | anrp | i'm sure J2ME has some facility for it |
| 22:49.41 | Any_Key | can somebody point me to resource about touchscren detail and proto it works by? |
| 22:50.12 | Any_Key | wikipedia is not enough |
| 22:50.14 | edistar | I mean, he claims to have also hacked the railway, being able to change the times and destinations etc... but I think thats just a fake.. |
| 22:50.28 | SpeedEvil | It is theoretically possible to do it via a phone. I'd guess that it would take a skilled engineer - skilled in VHDL, circuit design, GSM protocol spec maybe 500 hours, and $several K in hardware costs |
| 22:50.38 | anrp | well he's either smart and has a death wish (getting caught) |
| 22:50.41 | anrp | or he's lying |
| 22:50.43 | SpeedEvil | To get it into a box that'd go into a pocket |
| 22:51.12 | edistar | yeah, cause otherwise he wouldn't put it on youtube.. |
| 22:52.21 | edistar | I think I will try out bluejacking with my phone now.. |
| 22:52.26 | edistar | and the nokia |
| 22:52.29 | edistar | 770 |
| 22:52.35 | anrp | if he was just smart, he'd sell what he found to darker elements |
| 22:52.54 | anrp | not go attention-whoring |
| 22:53.03 | anrp | of course... i shouldn't really word it that strongly |
| 22:53.08 | anrp | since i can't say for sure :/ |
| 22:53.15 | edistar | yes |
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| 22:54.32 | edistar | it just makes me curious, if he claims to be able to change the railway signs and also highway signs(via a gui!) and broadcast sms via cell broadcast |
| 22:54.39 | edistar | it just seems to much |
| 22:56.42 | edistar | heh, I mean, would be mad to announce on youtube.. he'd be killed in NL ;) |
| 22:57.25 | ScaredyCat | edistar: http://bladers-world.com/hosted/bladersoftware/appz/bluejackx/BlueJackX_Sourcecode.zip |
| 22:59.25 | edistar | ScaredyCat: what do I do with a .pkg file? |
| 23:00.32 | ScaredyCat | pkg file? from where? |
| 23:00.37 | edistar | in the zip.. |
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| 23:01.12 | ScaredyCat | it's the sys file you're interested in |
| 23:01.32 | ScaredyCat | if not a symbian phone then you'll need to look at the source code |
| 23:01.45 | ScaredyCat | and modify it to suit your platform |
| 23:01.50 | edistar | I only have a java vm :( |
| 23:02.19 | edistar | but I suppose I could quickly script a bluejack tool for maemo.. |
| 23:02.28 | ScaredyCat | ok, but you can read the source to understand what's going on, and try to replicate dthat in javs |
| 23:02.29 | edistar | python can use bluetooth, right? |
| 23:02.31 | ScaredyCat | java |
| 23:02.34 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 23:02.38 | ScaredyCat | python can |
| 23:02.53 | ScaredyCat | python-bluez iirc for linux |
| 23:03.02 | edistar | thx |
| 23:04.01 | ScaredyCat | http://bluejack.ru/soft/btexplorer |
| 23:04.04 | ScaredyCat | is java |
| 23:04.52 | edistar | and is it in english too? my russian is minimal ;) |
| 23:05.54 | ScaredyCat | dunno, just trying to be helpul |
| 23:05.58 | ScaredyCat | helpful |
| 23:06.08 | edistar | ScaredyCat: thanks! |
| 23:06.46 | edistar | but bluejacking doesn't work that well, my phone tells me: vcard received, do you want to see? so I say yes and it tells me name: you have been hacked :P |
| 23:07.30 | ScaredyCat | that's how it works |
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| 23:08.09 | ScaredyCat | http://www.bluejackq.com/what-is-bluejacking.shtml |
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| 23:08.30 | ckuethe | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/15/cluster_challenge_alberta_wins/ |
| 23:08.39 | ScaredyCat | that's all he's done, bluejack a scanned list of devices |
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| 23:10.01 | edistar | I love clusters :) luckily at school we have 18 pcs which I am allowed to cluster sometimes :) |
| 23:10.40 | edistar | each 2ghz with 512mb ram, and because they have pxe I can mount a modified debian and have them calculate a whole night.. |
| 23:11.30 | ewon | nice |
| 23:12.24 | edistar | SpeedEvil: still there? |
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| 23:13.43 | edistar | grr.. still bugs me how he did it.. |
| 23:15.29 | edistar | not happy with the bluejack solution, that would just be much to obvious, noone would fall for that |
| 23:16.56 | mwester | It's a scam. Until proven otherwise. |
| 23:17.10 | edistar | mwester: well, then you can never prove anything.. |
| 23:17.38 | mwester | Youtube is a video version of the graffiti on the mens room wall :) |
| 23:17.44 | edistar | xD |
| 23:20.02 | ScaredyCat | who is that nut job on the mailing list? |
| 23:21.05 | edistar | ScaredyCat: which mailing list? |
| 23:22.27 | roh | ScaredyCat which one? *ducks* |
| 23:22.50 | edistar | ScaredyCat: what exactly do you mean |
| 23:23.44 | ScaredyCat | "Neo1973/OpenMoko as a laptop replacement" |
| 23:23.54 | ScaredyCat | that one |
| 23:24.34 | ljp | ha |
| 23:24.39 | ljp | thats funny |
| 23:25.00 | ljp | to each his/her own |
| 23:25.02 | ScaredyCat | yes.. |
| 23:25.05 | mwester | hmmm... seems reasonable. Laptops lack working GSM, don't have GPS, and many don't have good power-management support with Linux. ;-) Seems to match pretty well to me! |
| 23:25.05 | abraxa_ | ScaredyCat: I thought you were refering to that one Italian guy sending out mails to pretty much all OM lists to study abroad |
| 23:25.14 | ewon | lol |
| 23:25.21 | ScaredyCat | just buy an eee pc - ehich is cheaper, has a keyboard, and a better screen |
| 23:25.40 | ScaredyCat | s/better/bigger/ |
| 23:27.04 | jorgenpt | eee pc? |
| 23:27.17 | ewon | asus |
| 23:27.18 | ScaredyCat | asus eee pc |
| 23:27.22 | ewon | small, cheap laptop |
| 23:27.29 | jorgenpt | Aha |
| 23:28.15 | roh | hmm.. fresnel lens to pull the display to 8" ... this is so.. brazil |
| 23:28.43 | ScaredyCat | is that Elrond? |
| 23:28.54 | jorgenpt | Is the EEE out yet? |
| 23:28.58 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 23:29.23 | ewon | ja! |
| 23:29.44 | ScaredyCat | expansys, ebay ... that sort of place |
| 23:29.49 | jorgenpt | I wonder if they're sold cheaply anywhere in norway |
| 23:30.01 | ScaredyCat | they're cheap to start with! |
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| 23:40.10 | roh | ScaredyCat i will try to get a eeepc also.. but i wantr a black one with 1g ram and 8g flash.. need to find out if these are avail in europe soon or if i need to buy it in taipeh on my next visit |
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| 23:47.21 | roh | ola nibbler |
| 23:50.46 | sandsmark | are there any screenshots of the official openmoko gui anywhere? |
| 23:51.13 | sandsmark | I can only find screenies of qtopia |
| 23:52.30 | balrog-kun | sandsmark: yes, in many places on the wiki |
| 23:52.51 | sandsmark | balrog-kun: you wouldn't care to help me out with a link? |
| 23:53.43 | balrog-kun | also on many people's flickr streams |
| 23:53.51 | sandsmark | ok |
| 23:53.55 | balrog-kun | some of them may be outdated now because things change quickly |
| 23:54.24 | balrog-kun | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/How_to_run_OpenMoko_Apps_on_PC |
| 23:54.30 | balrog-kun | this is an example of the outdated ones :) |
| 23:54.49 | sandsmark | ;) |
| 23:54.54 | sandsmark | screen_shots? |
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| 23:55.05 | sandsmark | ...which told me how to make them |
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