| 00:01.33 | *** join/#openmoko lysanderslair (n=jeff@CPE0014bf4ad3e5-CM000a7363f3b6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 00:01.49 | *** part/#openmoko LetoTo (n=paul@193.110.157.17) |
| 00:04.25 | *** join/#openmoko Vndmtrx (n=0x0fff@unaffiliated/vndmtrx) |
| 00:06.37 | *** join/#openmoko mindCrime_ (i=chatzill@nat/redhat/x-6ed25639506a4d40) |
| 00:08.08 | *** join/#openmoko DRF (n=d@host81-155-80-83.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) |
| 00:10.19 | *** join/#openmoko CVirus (n=GoD@82.201.222.4) |
| 00:13.05 | *** join/#openmoko j_ack (n=j_ack@p508D8F2E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 00:18.49 | *** join/#openmoko merriam (n=merriam@85-211-68-26.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) |
| 00:19.13 | *** join/#openmoko berkus (n=berkus@87-119-191-142.tll.elisa.ee) |
| 00:24.00 | *** join/#openmoko icman (n=Administ@60-249-22-235.HINET-IP.hinet.net) |
| 00:28.18 | *** join/#openmoko nnpiggy (n=nnpiggy@qiqinebs.chi.il.us) |
| 00:33.05 | *** join/#openmoko greentux__ (n=lemke@Z5374.z.pppool.de) |
| 00:35.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1002 has been created by cwixon(AT)usa.net |
| 00:35.02 | cdbot2 | * * ipkg default feeds don't include neo1973 arch |
| 00:35.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1002 |
| 00:41.15 | *** join/#openmoko pigeon (n=pigeon@60-241-137-179.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 00:47.05 | *** join/#openmoko BlackBsd (n=brian@72.168.193.117) |
| 00:54.56 | *** join/#openmoko pigeon (n=pigeon@60-241-137-179.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 00:57.06 | mjr | incidentally, can one get the GSM network time off the TI chip? (Yeah I know we can get time from GPS eventually...) |
| 01:01.14 | *** join/#openmoko lysanderslair (n=jeff@CPE0014bf4ad3e5-CM000a7363f3b6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 01:03.01 | *** join/#openmoko AntonTakk (i=500@poolofdespair.net) |
| 01:03.18 | *** join/#openmoko eikonos (n=eikonos@frrrc01.vic.sfl.net) |
| 01:07.52 | Writchie | mjr: AFAIK you cannot get real time from GSM network except through gprs connection to an NTP server - but this may have changed. |
| 01:08.38 | mjr | I think there's some extension thingie; at least some phones apparently do get it from there. Oh, and a nokia guy told me. |
| 01:08.59 | mjr | 'course, what do they know |
| 01:09.31 | *** join/#openmoko DNAfanboy (n=cesar@foresight/developer/DNAFanboy) |
| 01:09.48 | mjr | DNAfanboy, you're funny 'cause there's a Finnish GSM operator called DNA Finland |
| 01:10.02 | Writchie | some chipset get it through internal gps. |
| 01:10.10 | DNAfanboy | mjr: lol |
| 01:12.13 | *** join/#openmoko poffy (n=poffy@c-98-199-135-173.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
| 01:13.25 | Tronic | There are also DNA shops (DNA-kauppa) everywhere. Wonder what you can buy from one. |
| 01:13.47 | *** join/#openmoko CVirus (n=GoD@82.201.222.4) |
| 01:13.48 | mjr | a good fuck |
| 01:14.10 | *** join/#openmoko Vegar (n=vegar@51-142-151-213.mtulink.net) |
| 01:18.34 | *** join/#openmoko tr2x (n=alvar@147.87.129.235) |
| 01:18.37 | *** join/#openmoko rEdcArp_yu (n=yyu@116.228.20.118) |
| 01:24.55 | Writchie | mjr: you can get time by sending an SMS to yourself with status report request |
| 01:27.16 | *** join/#openmoko greentux_ (n=lemke@Z6f14.z.pppool.de) |
| 01:27.42 | *** join/#openmoko daMaestro (n=jon@fedora/damaestro) |
| 01:33.10 | *** join/#openmoko gambler (n=orion@124-171-179-224.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 01:33.11 | *** join/#openmoko mboldisc (n=mike@c-66-41-225-167.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 01:34.22 | *** join/#openmoko twistx_ (n=no@64.30.190.171) |
| 01:41.01 | Writchie | mjr: jeeez - Microsoft holds a bullshit patent on setting the clock from an SMS message - unbelievable how innovative. |
| 01:43.20 | *** join/#openmoko unmad|zzZ (n=sayamind@59.93.193.63) |
| 01:47.27 | PITABoy | mjr what up |
| 01:53.51 | mjr | my neo's media player again, after reflash |
| 01:56.52 | *** join/#openmoko thomasg (n=thomasg@p57AFF86E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:57.17 | PITABoy | I guess that you dont need it or use it on the neo but do you know anything about where I can get some information about haret |
| 01:57.44 | PITABoy | other than the handhelds moinwiki |
| 01:59.57 | *** join/#openmoko heikkit (n=chatzill@32.168.100.179) |
| 02:04.29 | *** join/#openmoko Aria (n=aredride@acrux.theinternetco.net) |
| 02:04.34 | *** join/#openmoko heikkit (n=chatzill@32.168.100.179) |
| 02:06.05 | *** join/#openmoko Aria (n=aredride@acrux.theinternetco.net) |
| 02:12.24 | Writchie | microsoft probably has on on setting time from digit of anthropomorphic biological organism - just not issued yet. |
| 02:12.26 | xzcvczx | Writchie: wouldnt trust time through sms anyways as texts can sometimes get held up |
| 02:12.48 | Writchie | not likely in the status report message |
| 02:14.22 | Writchie | since patent office is about 9 years behind, we haven't yet seen the xp automatic BSOD coverup patent. |
| 02:15.32 | xzcvczx | Writchie: what the reboot so quickly you cant read the fucking bsod to determine wtf is wrong? |
| 02:16.35 | Writchie | you never know it happened? machine is just mysterious rebooted so you don't have to look at the BSOD - Bluescreen, what bluescreen! |
| 02:16.59 | xzcvczx | unless your using it at the time |
| 02:17.32 | Writchie | lately i see black screens and hangups more often than bluescreens anyway. |
| 02:18.25 | Writchie | black screen is great - bang you're dead. |
| 02:19.03 | xzcvczx | well i am getting an annoying thing on my tablet in linux.... when using the nvidia driver i startx and it just blanks the screen and does nothing..... ctrl-alt-f1 killall startx, startx and everything works fine |
| 02:19.59 | PITABoy | dont use startx use X |
| 02:20.03 | Writchie | i've seen similar things with ATI cards - I traced it to mode settings setting a mode the monitor didn't like |
| 02:20.38 | xzcvczx | dont have any mode settings seet |
| 02:20.39 | xzcvczx | set |
| 02:21.03 | xzcvczx | PITABoy: well most the time just using /etc/init.d/xdm start now anyway but it does the same |
| 02:21.20 | PITABoy | true |
| 02:21.40 | PITABoy | that is what i do when there is an x crash /etc/init.d/xdm restart |
| 02:21.55 | Writchie | does your x log look normal but just no display? |
| 02:22.29 | *** join/#openmoko DukeOfURL (n=chatzill@introspect.com) |
| 02:23.06 | xzcvczx | Writchie: the only thing that sticks out when i diff the old and the normal is the old it tries to load a crt profile and f's out |
| 02:25.36 | *** join/#openmoko ckuethe (n=ckuethe@S0106000024c38a18.ed.shawcable.net) |
| 02:27.45 | xzcvczx | http://rafb.net/p/Ukqwmf76.html |
| 02:28.09 | ewon | Kero: where are yo in the US? |
| 02:28.11 | Kero | ANything happened in the last 8, 9 days? |
| 02:28.23 | Kero | ewon: NY |
| 02:28.31 | xzcvczx | Kero: a gps gui got released :P |
| 02:28.57 | PITABoy | Kero are you not fromt the USA |
| 02:29.18 | xzcvczx | Kero: oh and i offer you my condolences |
| 02:29.43 | Writchie | why kind of tablet? |
| 02:29.50 | xzcvczx | tc1000 |
| 02:30.24 | PITABoy | oh |
| 02:32.16 | *** part/#openmoko Aria (n=aredride@acrux.theinternetco.net) |
| 02:34.06 | *** join/#openmoko DukeOfURL (n=chatzill@introspect.com) |
| 02:35.01 | Henryk | xzcvczx: gps gui? |
| 02:35.10 | Kero | old phone is triband, does not have 850 either. |
| 02:36.39 | xzcvczx | Henryk: yeah |
| 02:36.47 | xzcvczx | no binary yet but there is a gui |
| 02:37.01 | xzcvczx | that works with the binary |
| 02:37.21 | Henryk | xzcvczx: oh, where? must have missed that. |
| 02:37.32 | xzcvczx | if you have scaredy cat ipkg update; ipkg install openmoko-agpsui2 |
| 02:39.03 | *** join/#openmoko oelewapperke (n=oelewapp@85-158-215-1.powered-by.benesol.be) |
| 02:39.56 | xzcvczx | or if you would like to see sourcecode its in svn/developers/olv/ |
| 02:40.07 | *** join/#openmoko naikan (i=ai@85-158-213-129.powered-by.benesol.be) |
| 02:41.24 | Henryk | xzcvczx: hmm, no recipe in the tree yet, it seems? |
| 02:41.33 | xzcvczx | Henryk: not in the tree no |
| 02:41.38 | xzcvczx | but there is one available |
| 02:41.46 | xzcvczx | ummmm cant remember who posted it |
| 02:41.50 | Henryk | ok, then I'll just wait |
| 02:42.07 | xzcvczx | wget http://abraxa.dyndns.org:81/random/openmoko-agpsui2_svn.bb |
| 02:42.12 | xzcvczx | if you want a recipe |
| 02:42.17 | xzcvczx | thanks to abraxa i assume |
| 02:44.10 | xzcvczx | Henryk: i doubt it will make it to the tree until the binary is released at least |
| 02:44.20 | Henryk | hmm, ok |
| 02:47.35 | Henryk | xzcvczx: ok, thanks, now building |
| 02:47.54 | xzcvczx | dont thank me thank abraxa |
| 02:53.28 | Henryk | huh, my build host is suddenly acting up. so, well, i got other things to do anyways ... |
| 02:54.31 | xzcvczx | :) sweet get my rig next week |
| 02:59.25 | unknown_lamer | hello android is cool |
| 02:59.38 | unknown_lamer | why in this one song it destroys all of mankind |
| 02:59.48 | *** join/#openmoko summatusmentis (n=summatus@umm-yrless170.morris.umn.edu) |
| 03:01.00 | unknown_lamer | xzcvczx: my beard gives me a +30 AC |
| 03:01.08 | unknown_lamer | i.e. you pretty much can't hit me |
| 03:01.11 | unknown_lamer | mwhahahaa |
| 03:05.51 | *** join/#openmoko fgau (n=fgau@pD953A8B8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 03:08.24 | *** join/#openmoko nslu2-log_ (n=nslu2-lo@nslu2-linux/dyoung) |
| 03:15.38 | xzcvczx | unknown_lamer: heres an idea, get a life |
| 03:17.58 | unknown_lamer | xzcvczx: I have one |
| 03:18.36 | unknown_lamer | it involves a lot of epic poetry, an imposing beard, and bicycling in the middle of the night |
| 03:24.07 | *** join/#openmoko TheAndichrist (n=andy@CPE-72-128-95-237.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 03:27.09 | *** join/#openmoko Stephmw (n=steph@212.69.51.139) |
| 03:30.13 | *** join/#openmoko mindCrime__ (n=chatzill@cpe-065-190-188-124.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 03:34.48 | *** join/#openmoko summatusmentis (n=summatus@umm-yrless170.morris.umn.edu) |
| 03:36.54 | *** join/#openmoko mindCrime__ (n=chatzill@cpe-065-190-188-124.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 03:36.57 | *** join/#openmoko eikonos (n=eikonos@S0106001c104ae594.gv.shawcable.net) |
| 03:39.13 | *** join/#openmoko j_ack (n=j_ack@p508D8F2E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 03:40.19 | *** join/#openmoko orospakr (n=orospakr@CPE001a70d1de84-CM0019474a8676.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 03:41.48 | *** join/#openmoko Zoolooc_ (n=fredsiba@p54952C06.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 03:45.10 | *** join/#openmoko summatus_ (n=summatus@umm-yrless170.morris.umn.edu) |
| 03:46.00 | *** join/#openmoko freelock (n=john@foraker.freelock.com) |
| 04:00.53 | *** join/#openmoko abraxa__ (n=abraxa@pD95FD2E6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 04:03.29 | *** join/#openmoko SP-8472 (i=8472@dslb-084-056-224-190.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 04:09.59 | *** join/#openmoko twistx_ (n=no@64.30.190.171) |
| 04:16.29 | *** join/#openmoko j_ack (n=j_ack@p508D8F2E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 04:20.12 | *** join/#openmoko rd_ (n=dr@vnsecurity.net) |
| 04:20.15 | *** join/#openmoko PITABoy (i=Windoze@adsl-221-110-242.rmo.bellsouth.net) |
| 04:23.55 | *** join/#openmoko bluelightning (n=blueligh@122-57-164-78.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) |
| 04:31.30 | *** join/#openmoko jkilb_ (n=jkilb@p5B20814C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 04:39.03 | *** join/#openmoko pigeon (n=pigeon@60-241-137-179.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 04:40.11 | *** join/#openmoko smartbhai (n=smartbha@116.68.99.173) |
| 04:41.47 | *** join/#openmoko AntonTakk (i=500@poolofdespair.net) |
| 04:42.26 | *** join/#openmoko PowerOp (n=chatzill@116.59.3.81) |
| 04:44.02 | *** join/#openmoko a_thing (n=notroot@c-98-193-50-46.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 04:49.39 | *** join/#openmoko xzcvczx (n=swel024@ip-58-28-204-172.ubs-dsl.xnet.co.nz) |
| 04:59.56 | *** join/#openmoko heikkit (n=chatzill@c-67-188-122-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 05:02.12 | *** join/#openmoko xzcvczx_ (n=swel024@ip-58-28-147-38.ubs-dsl.xnet.co.nz) |
| 05:18.55 | *** join/#openmoko cibomahto (n=metsmatt@ip84.coronado-crossing.phx.ygnition.net) |
| 05:20.17 | *** join/#openmoko dkirker (n=dkirker@adsl-64-166-167-137.dsl.snlo01.pacbell.net) |
| 05:25.25 | *** join/#openmoko pigeon (n=pigeon@60-241-137-179.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 05:25.25 | *** join/#openmoko Psi (n=benw@ip-58-28-158-238.ubs-dsl.xnet.co.nz) |
| 05:27.02 | *** join/#openmoko Robot101 (n=robot101@light.bluelinux.co.uk) |
| 05:28.14 | *** join/#openmoko jpozlovsky (n=jindra@89.176.208.115) |
| 05:28.55 | *** join/#openmoko Sup3rkiddo (n=sudharsh@unaffiliated/sudharsh) |
| 05:31.42 | *** join/#openmoko moko-bunny (n=reik@CPE-76-178-148-218.natnow.res.rr.com) |
| 05:35.53 | *** join/#openmoko berkus (n=berkus@87-119-191-142.tll.elisa.ee) |
| 05:39.02 | *** join/#openmoko orospakr (n=orospakr@bas4-ottawa23-1177561789.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 05:43.43 | *** join/#openmoko CM (i=cm@shaka.acc.umu.se) |
| 05:52.57 | *** join/#openmoko rd_ (n=dr@vnsecurity.net) |
| 06:10.13 | *** join/#openmoko tholin (n=tholin@85.8.6.155.static.se.wasadata.net) |
| 06:12.43 | doc|home | so, er, I've been reading the mailing lists and is lack of 850mhz now absolutely final? |
| 06:13.02 | doc|home | I though michael had mentioned possibility of looking into changing things? |
| 06:14.06 | Mek | initially the GTA02 will probably only be available in a non-850 version, but I don't think anybody has said yet that they will not try to get a 850 instead of 900 version (or somehow switchable) as well |
| 06:14.30 | doc|home | bugger |
| 06:14.59 | doc|home | the sucky thing is, I can't even figure out if 1900mhz would be enough where I am :/ |
| 06:15.35 | cibomahto | just out of curiosity, where are you? |
| 06:16.01 | doc|home | vancouver, bc, ca |
| 06:16.37 | doc|home | the gsm maps just say the same as the US, which is sketchy :/ |
| 06:16.41 | cibomahto | hmm :-/ |
| 06:16.47 | doc|home | I'd need something more local :/ |
| 06:16.48 | *** join/#openmoko DarkFoxDK (n=martin@0110ds1-ro.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 06:17.20 | *** join/#openmoko mmp (n=mmp@adsl-dyn86.78-98-17.t-com.sk) |
| 06:17.43 | cibomahto | 1900 MHz seems to be fine here in Phoenix with TMobile |
| 06:17.46 | cibomahto | can you call your carriers? |
| 06:17.57 | doc|home | yeah, but it pretty much depends on where you are |
| 06:18.03 | doc|home | yeah, might have to do that |
| 06:18.42 | doc|home | hmmm |
| 06:18.42 | doc|home | Awsome 1900mhz Vancouver coverage. |
| 06:18.48 | doc|home | according to one web post |
| 06:18.53 | cibomahto | sweet! |
| 06:19.00 | doc|home | "Just don't leave Vancouver/Victoria/Whistler/Nanaimo/USA coverage area. " |
| 06:19.01 | doc|home | works for me |
| 06:19.07 | doc|home | I have another phone anyway |
| 06:30.53 | *** join/#openmoko behdad (n=behdad@CPE001217b19226-CM0012c9c84bc4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 06:30.53 | *** join/#openmoko rob_w (n=bob@M9d83.m.pppool.de) |
| 06:38.20 | *** join/#openmoko jeddy3 (n=mattiast@gw.sbg.se) |
| 06:41.17 | *** join/#openmoko dneary (n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 06:42.21 | *** join/#openmoko pleemans (n=peter@leemanpe.ugent.be) |
| 06:52.37 | *** join/#openmoko fgau (n=fgau@62.8.133.125) |
| 06:59.00 | *** part/#openmoko PowerOp (n=chatzill@116.59.3.81) |
| 06:59.59 | nelson | Oh gods, I think I'm going to be sick. |
| 07:00.16 | nelson | There's a banner ad on Makezine.com saying "You can do more when your phone runs Windows." |
| 07:00.24 | nelson | That's what I'm afraid of! |
| 07:00.33 | nelson | I don't WANT my phone to be part of a botnet! |
| 07:01.45 | doc|home | hahaha |
| 07:02.49 | *** join/#openmoko behdad (n=behdad@CPE001217b19226-CM0012c9c84bc4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 07:03.02 | *** join/#openmoko rd_ (n=dr@vnsecurity.net) |
| 07:03.52 | CM | hehe |
| 07:04.28 | *** join/#openmoko abraxa_ (n=abraxa@pD95FCA44.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:06.05 | *** join/#openmoko drath_ (i=vmaster@p5B07C375.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:06.21 | *** join/#openmoko summatusmentis (n=summatus@umm-yrless170.morris.umn.edu) |
| 07:06.46 | *** join/#openmoko sagacis__ (n=mark@cpe-76-185-118-188.tx.res.rr.com) |
| 07:07.11 | *** join/#openmoko wolog (n=wolog@lavalette.guerrier.info) |
| 07:09.36 | *** join/#openmoko summatusmentis (n=summatus@umm-yrless170.morris.umn.edu) |
| 07:10.13 | *** join/#openmoko zipola (n=zipola@zip.kortex.jyu.fi) |
| 07:14.53 | *** join/#openmoko alphabeat (n=nick@60-241-37-3.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 07:27.35 | xzcvczx | roh: you around?? |
| 07:29.18 | CM | ~seen roh |
| 07:29.44 | apt | roh is currently on #oe (1d 3h 17m 31s) #openmoko (1d 3h 17m 31s). Has said a total of 12 messages. Is idling for 17h 36m 9s, last said: 'doh'. |
| 07:29.57 | CM | Hehe |
| 07:32.58 | xzcvczx | gah |
| 07:33.05 | xzcvczx | ~thump roh |
| 07:33.06 | apt | ACTION thumps roh in the ear with a brick! |
| 07:33.21 | xzcvczx | good apt |
| 07:35.20 | *** join/#openmoko josch (n=josch@host132.natpool.mwn.de) |
| 07:35.23 | *** join/#openmoko thomasg (n=thomasg@p57AFDF85.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:36.54 | josch | hi! I've got a problem with the moko makefile. if i do make openmoko-devel-image I get this error: |
| 07:37.30 | josch | mtn: misuse: layout of database /media/data/moko/OE.mtn doesn't match this version of monotone |
| 07:37.30 | josch | mtn: misuse: wanted schema ae196843d368d042f475e3dadfed11e9d7f9f01e, got 629da44000ed5d20e2fe6b4d3abc06bc06a91362 |
| 07:37.30 | josch | mtn: misuse: try 'mtn db migrate' to upgrade |
| 07:37.52 | josch | if I perform an upgrade it says: |
| 07:37.53 | josch | mtn: calculating necessary migration steps |
| 07:37.54 | josch | mtn: error: database schema 629da44000ed5d20e2fe6b4d3abc06bc06a91362 is unknown; cannot perform migration |
| 07:37.58 | josch | whats wrong? |
| 07:38.05 | *** join/#openmoko goxboxlive (n=goxboxli@81.80-202-132.nextgentel.com) |
| 07:38.06 | josch | do I have to delete everything? |
| 07:38.17 | CM | Hmm.. If any oe people are awake they should know |
| 07:38.28 | CM | josch: No, you shouldn't have to delete |
| 07:38.47 | CM | What if you do an make update? |
| 07:39.30 | josch | ah sry... its not while make openmoko-devel-image - this error comes up when doing make update |
| 07:39.49 | CM | Ah, ok. Did you try mtn --db OE.mtn db migrate |
| 07:40.03 | josch | I said so |
| 07:40.16 | CM | Yes, but with the --db argument? |
| 07:40.21 | josch | yes |
| 07:40.25 | josch | <josch> mtn: calculating necessary migration steps |
| 07:40.25 | josch | <josch> mtn: error: database schema 629da44000ed5d20e2fe6b4d3abc06bc06a91362 is unknown; cannot perform migration |
| 07:40.26 | CM | Hmm.. |
| 07:40.41 | CM | I'll update now and see if I can get it |
| 07:40.49 | josch | CM, thx |
| 07:41.01 | *** join/#openmoko rmoravcik (n=moravcik@gtsgw.ttc.cz) |
| 07:42.28 | *** join/#openmoko Maledictus (n=Malebob@f049014019.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 07:42.45 | CM | josch: No problems here.. |
| 07:42.48 | *** join/#openmoko bentob0x (n=laurent@ip-213-49-79-14.dsl.scarlet.be) |
| 07:43.00 | josch | CM, thx |
| 07:43.14 | josch | CM, have an idea how I can solve it? |
| 07:43.28 | CM | It updated to target 8273cc86b0f6dd127b175c16eae89d1f0bdadfa3 for me |
| 07:43.47 | CM | Ask in #oe or wait until someone who knows more about bitbake shows up here |
| 07:44.03 | josch | okay |
| 07:44.14 | CM | I'd say XorA|gone, hrw|gone, rwhitby or koen knows |
| 07:44.25 | josch | great! I'll wait then |
| 07:44.30 | CM | Probably Writchie|zzzZZzz and mwester too |
| 07:44.40 | josch | deleting my environment can wait a little longer |
| 07:45.11 | CM | It's probably some simple command. Maybe look around in the oe wiki would give something |
| 07:45.28 | CM | Also, paste the full error log in a pastebin so you can show it later :) |
| 07:45.29 | *** join/#openmoko simon_ (n=simon@dyn167169.wlan.jku.at) |
| 07:45.32 | josch | k will try that |
| 07:48.57 | *** join/#openmoko MHazem (n=GoD@196.205.192.246) |
| 07:52.47 | xzcvczx | CM: hence why i love wgetpaste |
| 07:53.11 | *** join/#openmoko ossman (n=drzeus@alcatraz.cendio.se) |
| 07:53.15 | xzcvczx | ~apt smack-the-living-crap-out-of roh |
| 07:54.51 | josch | XorA, ping |
| 07:56.14 | XorA | josch: pong |
| 07:56.45 | josch | XorA, can you quickly look over a problem I'm currently having with mokomakefile? |
| 07:57.09 | XorA | josch: Im not a MokoMakefile user |
| 07:57.18 | josch | ah, sry to bother you |
| 07:57.28 | CM | It's a monotone issue |
| 07:57.42 | josch | but do you know about monotone |
| 07:58.00 | josch | datebase version errors` |
| 07:58.14 | josch | I pasted it here for review: http://pastebin.ca/766901 |
| 07:58.23 | XorA | looks like MokoMakefile got the wrong version of monotone/database combo |
| 07:58.45 | josch | thought that but it works with CM |
| 07:59.14 | josch | CM, did you only do make update or a full make update-makefile && make setup update openmoko-devel-image ? |
| 07:59.27 | CM | A full |
| 07:59.35 | CM | make all at the end even |
| 07:59.58 | josch | CM, make what even? |
| 08:00.06 | XorA | which monotone do you have on your machine? |
| 08:00.10 | CM | "make all", builds the full feed |
| 08:00.17 | josch | 0.31 |
| 08:02.08 | XorA | what happens if you do mtn --version |
| 08:02.37 | CM | I'm getting monotone 0.36 (base revision: e4bc808d89e029ce623f9e8f2b10c84006b83fb5) |
| 08:03.11 | josch | okay, then I should update monotone |
| 08:03.39 | josch | monotone 0.31 (base revision: 1bd1fe1e811dce82bee09b9f0effca3225bd1cee) |
| 08:04.16 | XorA | josch: I just took a look at MokoMakefile source and that should have downloaded the right OE.db for that monotone version |
| 08:05.09 | josch | so it's not about my monotone version because it already downloads the right database for my version? |
| 08:05.51 | XorA | josch: it "should" have downloaded the right version, it looks like it didnt. |
| 08:06.18 | josch | can I do this manually? |
| 08:06.47 | XorA | yes, grab the 0.31 version from http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/ |
| 08:07.02 | XorA | and rename it to OE.mtn in right place for MokoMakefile |
| 08:07.08 | josch | okay |
| 08:07.30 | josch | but then I'm no longer allowed to run make update - is this okay? |
| 08:07.36 | josch | CM, ? |
| 08:10.42 | josch | jupp, md5 says they are different files |
| 08:13.08 | josch | I will simply do everything make update do manually - should work then |
| 08:16.12 | CM | Just tried running mtn --db=OE.mtn pull monotone.openembedded.org org.openembedded.dev |
| 08:16.17 | CM | Works fine |
| 08:16.22 | josch | CM, what happend? |
| 08:16.36 | CM | Gt all the revisions and stuff |
| 08:16.38 | CM | got |
| 08:17.21 | josch | this command produces further errors for me |
| 08:17.29 | CM | Strange |
| 08:17.31 | *** join/#openmoko tobmaster (n=tobmaste@gw.sinnerschrader.com) |
| 08:17.41 | CM | How did this happen from the start? |
| 08:17.57 | josch | ah - one moment |
| 08:18.11 | josch | I think its a little permissions problem |
| 08:18.18 | CM | :) |
| 08:18.34 | josch | that occured when downloading OE.mtn with wget |
| 08:19.26 | josch | okay seems to work now |
| 08:19.33 | josch | with manually downloaded db |
| 08:20.06 | *** join/#openmoko l4rs (n=laprican@hsiproxy.astra-net.com) |
| 08:20.53 | *** join/#openmoko fulgas (i=axbm5ld2@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.net/x-2f35748924ea52c8) |
| 08:22.09 | *** join/#openmoko lrg (n=liam@lrg2.demon.co.uk) |
| 08:25.54 | josch | "executing external 3-way merge command" <= the file that opens contains nothing - how can I merge then? |
| 08:25.55 | *** join/#openmoko njpatel (n=njp@5ac04792.bb.sky.com) |
| 08:27.44 | CM | maybe select one target? 8273cc86b0f6dd127b175c16eae89d1f0bdadfa3 is what I got automaticly |
| 08:28.50 | *** join/#openmoko summatusmentis (n=summatus@umm-yrless170.morris.umn.edu) |
| 08:31.17 | abraxa_ | josch: cd build; mtn revert . |
| 08:31.35 | abraxa_ | I don't think you have local changes you want to kee[ |
| 08:31.36 | abraxa_ | keep |
| 08:31.39 | *** join/#openmoko geaaru (n=geaaru@host212-223-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 08:31.57 | josch | abraxa_, mtn: misuse: workspace required but not found |
| 08:33.22 | *** join/#openmoko Magon (n=Magon@archangel.kolej.mff.cuni.cz) |
| 08:34.09 | *** join/#openmoko orion_ (n=orion@124-171-141-131.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 08:34.21 | abraxa_ | josch: source ../setup-env |
| 08:34.58 | ScaredyCat | roflmao ... I have 7500 'points' on my amex card, so I take a look at what I can get for that.... |
| 08:35.08 | ScaredyCat | a box of chocolates... |
| 08:36.07 | josch | ScaredyCat, this sounds like the points you get for travelling with deutsche bahn AG - one point for each euro you spend on a ticket. I collected 1500 points and get a free coffee |
| 08:36.38 | CM | josch: Hehe |
| 08:37.45 | josch | abraxa_, please explain |
| 08:37.47 | ScaredyCat | oh well... :( |
| 08:40.47 | ScaredyCat | josch: cd build && . ../setup-env && mtn revert . |
| 08:41.10 | CM | josch: Seems like you've made changes to the mtn repositores, and that revert command should get you back to the normal oe/om version |
| 08:41.15 | doc|home | ScaredyCat: heh, I thought by points you meant penalty points, like when you get caught speeding |
| 08:41.38 | josch | did that but only get this error: |
| 08:41.40 | josch | "mtn: misuse: workspace required but not found |
| 08:41.40 | josch | " |
| 08:41.45 | ScaredyCat | na.. but that would be cool.... get a coffee maker for doing a tonne |
| 08:42.56 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 08:43.08 | ScaredyCat | cd ${OMDIR} |
| 08:43.25 | ScaredyCat | cd openembedded && mtn revert . |
| 08:43.46 | ScaredyCat | are you using the Mokomakefile ? |
| 08:44.03 | josch | ScaredyCat, yes, I'm using the makefile |
| 08:44.21 | ScaredyCat | so you can just do a: make update |
| 08:44.29 | ScaredyCat | and it will revert stuff too |
| 08:44.40 | josch | ScaredyCat, make update produces another monotone error I described above |
| 08:44.46 | josch | http://pastebin.ca/766901 |
| 08:45.42 | josch | ScaredyCat, this reverts my changes, thx |
| 08:58.01 | *** join/#openmoko rd_ (n=dr@vnsecurity.net) |
| 08:59.35 | *** join/#openmoko Marex-notebook (n=marex@vasut.kolej.mff.cuni.cz) |
| 09:06.57 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 09:08.05 | torpor | yo |
| 09:09.52 | *** join/#openmoko florian (n=fuchs@217.146.132.69) |
| 09:10.39 | guaqua | just an idea, how about providing a meta-package for debian/ubuntu etc to install the packages needed for openmoko development on openembedded? |
| 09:14.48 | *** join/#openmoko zween (n=zween@79-68-9-117.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 09:15.28 | *** join/#openmoko rd_ (n=dr@vnsecurity.net) |
| 09:17.04 | *** join/#openmoko slomo (n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo) |
| 09:19.26 | *** join/#openmoko sarnoso (n=sarnoso@19.Red-81-33-170.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 09:33.48 | *** join/#openmoko _rob (n=rob@85.233.59.8.static.cablesurf.de) |
| 09:34.59 | *** join/#openmoko SBKch (n=SBKch@088156224081.sta.vectranet.pl) |
| 09:35.42 | abraxa_ | ScaredyCat: ow... and thanks. lol. |
| 09:36.04 | abraxa_ | I should stop trying to think so early in the morning |
| 09:36.26 | ScaredyCat | not enough coffee :) |
| 09:38.18 | abraxa_ | I don't do coffee ;) |
| 09:38.31 | ScaredyCat | that'll be why then :P |
| 09:41.46 | zash | why do ppl insist that we begin work at 8 in the fucking morning |
| 09:42.14 | ScaredyCat | I say started.... |
| 09:42.17 | torpor | because its a good time to start working |
| 09:42.23 | ScaredyCat | I sat naked in front of my laptop at 7 |
| 09:42.25 | ScaredyCat | :P |
| 09:44.05 | zash | haha |
| 09:44.32 | zash | "behaga göra säker den här är sättet i stånd till på din servaren" |
| 09:45.41 | CM | zash: Hehe |
| 09:46.09 | cjb_ie | zash: is that some sort of fake swedish? |
| 09:46.21 | cjb_ie | i totally fail to parse it |
| 09:46.36 | zash | some weird translation in cubecart |
| 09:46.44 | torpor | <something> belongs something> the ?? are satisfied i stand until the server serves you.."? |
| 09:47.12 | ScaredyCat | hurrrdy gurrdy fluurrdy |
| 09:47.21 | ScaredyCat | ^^^ pure Swedish |
| 09:47.30 | zash | somehow relatet to 'allow GIF-support' |
| 09:47.31 | cjb_ie | ScaredyCat: you forgot the obligatory bork |
| 09:47.35 | zash | *related |
| 09:47.36 | ScaredyCat | I learned it from the puppet show |
| 09:47.42 | zash | bork bork |
| 09:47.48 | ScaredyCat | s/puppet/muppet/ |
| 09:53.51 | *** join/#openmoko Magon (n=Magon@eduroam122.ms.mff.cuni.cz) |
| 10:00.15 | flexd | oh noes, im converting to ubuntu! |
| 10:00.21 | torpor | from ? |
| 10:00.23 | flexd | ScaredyCat: when you said run windows in a vm |
| 10:00.24 | flexd | windows |
| 10:00.31 | flexd | which vm? |
| 10:00.33 | torpor | rock |
| 10:00.35 | torpor | vmware |
| 10:00.46 | flexd | I'm just backing up my windows shit now, then my work laptop will be all ubuntu! |
| 10:00.46 | ScaredyCat | yeah, vmware - tis free |
| 10:00.51 | flexd | right. |
| 10:01.06 | torpor | use vmware to make an image of your existing windows system first .. |
| 10:01.10 | *** join/#openmoko El_Salvador (n=Brescia@adsl-ull-14-150.44-151.net24.it) |
| 10:01.12 | torpor | that way you can easily use it. |
| 10:01.16 | torpor | and not have to reinstall, etc. |
| 10:01.30 | *** join/#openmoko Magon_ (n=Magon@vpn-friends.ms.mff.cuni.cz) |
| 10:02.02 | *** join/#openmoko will (n=root@rd.tw.openmoko.org) |
| 10:03.32 | flexd | torpor: i've got ghost images |
| 10:03.40 | flexd | and the hdd isnt big enough for that |
| 10:04.20 | flexd | Only thing i *need* windows for is a program called IBS Inventar which is the inventory for pretty much all machines and shit on server and whatnot, and remote desktop to the win2k3 server, but that i can do from linux too so |
| 10:04.29 | flexd | Other then that it's not needed |
| 10:04.44 | flexd | on service* |
| 10:06.18 | flexd | so i'l just run a clean windows install in vmware, with only that program (or alternatively just run wine) |
| 10:07.01 | flexd | i talk alot about shit nobody cares about dont i? o_0 |
| 10:07.15 | *** join/#openmoko zedstar (n=john@sr-fw1.router.uk.clara.net) |
| 10:11.15 | *** join/#openmoko openwill (n=root@rd.tw.openmoko.org) |
| 10:14.19 | CM | flexd: We all talk mostly shit :P |
| 10:14.39 | *** join/#openmoko smartbhai (n=smartbha@116.68.99.173) |
| 10:15.14 | flexd | CM: hehe |
| 10:15.16 | fgau | http://www.iphone.de <-- lol |
| 10:15.24 | flexd | but bbs, gotta ghost my machine and install ubuntu :< |
| 10:16.03 | *** part/#openmoko josch (n=josch@host132.natpool.mwn.de) |
| 10:16.16 | CM | fgau: Hehe |
| 10:22.20 | ScaredyCat | heheheh |
| 10:23.42 | *** join/#openmoko marsan (n=marsan@ti500720a080-8380.bb.online.no) |
| 10:30.06 | *** join/#openmoko Dodji (n=dodji@torimasen.com) |
| 10:33.06 | CM | Heh, got a mail from a german friend with direct translations of german sayings: http://www.acc.umu.se/~cm/german_translated.txt |
| 10:37.15 | fgau | CM: lol |
| 10:37.26 | abraxa_ | CM: Would've been funnier if he had added proper translations ;) |
| 10:37.37 | abraxa_ | I'm sure non-Germans wonder what those sentences mean |
| 10:38.45 | ScaredyCat | looks like babelfish |
| 10:39.05 | *** join/#openmoko nosyjoe (n=nosyjoe@c032.lmu.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de) |
| 10:39.33 | *** join/#openmoko XXLT (n=XXLT@herkules.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de) |
| 10:40.13 | zash | CM: acc! |
| 10:43.01 | CM | zash: Since 1999 ;) |
| 10:43.28 | CM | abraxa_: I don't think she did them herself ;) |
| 10:46.30 | abraxa_ | oh |
| 10:47.05 | CM | We have some good ones in sweden too.. |
| 10:47.20 | CM | "There's no danger on the roof" - (Ingen fara på taket) |
| 10:48.24 | zash | Clock-clean! |
| 10:48.29 | CM | Hehe |
| 10:52.11 | *** join/#openmoko pvanhoof (n=pvanhoof@d54C0EE14.access.telenet.be) |
| 10:52.57 | CM | Ok, this should be in OpenMoko too: http://gameinfowire.com/news.asp?nid=11277 |
| 10:54.35 | abraxa_ | Hmm |
| 10:54.38 | abraxa_ | Seems... odd to me |
| 10:55.15 | abraxa_ | I mean... children in the countries that OLPC was created for won't know what some of those things are that players handle in sim city |
| 10:55.26 | abraxa_ | They won't recognize the structures either |
| 10:55.50 | SpeedEvil | It's an educational tool! |
| 10:55.55 | ScaredyCat | well, they can actually be taught abraxa_ |
| 10:56.13 | ScaredyCat | i mean it doesn't take long to explain waht a train is.. |
| 10:56.35 | ScaredyCat | it's for 3rd world countries, not stupid people |
| 10:56.35 | CM | Seems like it's been a slow negotiation: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/games/2007-March/000009.html |
| 10:56.36 | abraxa_ | Of course |
| 10:57.59 | abraxa_ | Renovating Sim City... okay, that could be more beneficial then |
| 11:08.19 | *** join/#openmoko morricone (n=foobar@dslb-084-057-143-045.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 11:10.32 | *** join/#openmoko rd_ (n=dr@vnsecurity.net) |
| 11:11.45 | flexd | yay i have linux! |
| 11:11.49 | flexd | sort of |
| 11:12.48 | *** join/#openmoko RedDog (n=reddog@mastersword.de) |
| 11:13.19 | RedDog | hello |
| 11:13.45 | flexd | hi |
| 11:15.21 | *** join/#openmoko torsten252 (n=torsten@p57B14AB0.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:15.27 | torsten252 | hi, ist jemand anwesend? |
| 11:15.31 | torsten252 | Ich habe ein Problem. |
| 11:15.45 | torsten252 | Habe gestern Opensuse 10.3 installiert und nun funktioniert der Sound nicht. |
| 11:15.54 | hrw | torsten252: a dziekuje, u mnie w porzadku wszystko |
| 11:16.02 | torsten252 | Habe ein Asus K7S8X Board mit Onboard Sounkarte |
| 11:16.12 | torsten252 | Do you speak english? |
| 11:16.14 | guaqua | torsten252: täällä ei selvitellä yksittäisten linux-distrojen ääniongelmia |
| 11:16.31 | *** join/#openmoko greentux (n=lemke@ip-217-18-181-130.static.reverse.dsi.net) |
| 11:17.02 | guaqua | torsten252: you should look for suse-specific irc channels for help |
| 11:17.12 | *** join/#openmoko raddy (n=raddy@59.96.202.31) |
| 11:17.29 | *** join/#openmoko [PI]Sami (n=sami@a9b.pirttimaki.jyu.fi) |
| 11:17.29 | raddy | Hello Everybody |
| 11:17.34 | RedDog | hello |
| 11:17.52 | flexd | Hi. |
| 11:17.57 | raddy | I updated openmoko via http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/fic-gta01/20071105/ |
| 11:18.13 | raddy | Flashing process was sucessful |
| 11:18.32 | hrw | raddy: angstrom images are not openmoko |
| 11:18.45 | hrw | but they should also work |
| 11:19.22 | raddy | rebooted and new Angstrom started, but, after bootsplash, it switched to text mode and showed an error |
| 11:19.56 | *** join/#openmoko sagacis (n=mark@cpe-66-25-2-209.tx.res.rr.com) |
| 11:20.39 | Psi | and you expect us to tell you how to fix it without telling us what the error was? |
| 11:20.43 | raddy | Or, does anybody know if Dialer fixes have been merged into openmoko from Anfstrom ? |
| 11:21.59 | *** join/#openmoko openfanss (n=df@218.83.100.52) |
| 11:22.45 | raddy | does anybody know if Dialer fixes have been merged into openmoko from Anfstrom ? |
| 11:25.42 | abraxa_ | Which dialer fixes? |
| 11:26.01 | abraxa_ | And Angstrom doesn't have a dialer ;) |
| 11:26.20 | hrw | abraxa_: it has |
| 11:26.33 | abraxa_ | Which? |
| 11:26.39 | hrw | openmoko-dialer2 |
| 11:27.04 | abraxa_ | Well yeah, but it's in there because of the OM feed so I don't count it towards Angstrom itself |
| 11:27.11 | hrw | no |
| 11:27.22 | abraxa_ | No? |
| 11:27.25 | hrw | all openmoko stuff is also built for angstrom |
| 11:27.39 | raddy | i think most folks won't read http://planet.openmoko.org/ |
| 11:27.39 | abraxa_ | Hmm... |
| 11:27.42 | hrw | http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/ - search for openmoko |
| 11:28.46 | raddy | hrw : do you know about the current dialer status of openmoko? |
| 11:29.00 | abraxa_ | In that case I don't understand why all OM apps get built for Angstrom when Angstrom is supposed to be a generic distribution |
| 11:29.58 | hrw | abraxa_: Angstrom distro supports most of OE devices |
| 11:30.03 | hrw | also fic-gta01 |
| 11:30.19 | raddy | abraxa : Angstorm is i think the developer distro, |
| 11:30.59 | raddy | abraxa : i mean they would install it in their desktops |
| 11:31.03 | abraxa_ | hrw: Supports, yes, but I didn't think it would include all OM apps by default |
| 11:31.16 | *** join/#openmoko smartbhai (n=smartbha@116.68.99.173) |
| 11:31.18 | hrw | checked in feed browser? |
| 11:31.56 | *** join/#openmoko zween (n=zween@79-68-9-117.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 11:32.04 | abraxa_ | hrw: Sorry, I don't quite understand what you're trying to tell me :) |
| 11:32.13 | hrw | 09 12:28 < hrw> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/ - search for openmoko |
| 11:32.26 | abraxa_ | Yes, and? |
| 11:33.09 | abraxa_ | I think we're just misunderstanding each other |
| 11:34.20 | hrw | probably |
| 11:34.34 | abraxa_ | What I meant was that the dialer that you can use with Angstrom belongs to OpenMoko - not to Angstrom itself |
| 11:34.52 | hrw | and glibc does not belong to any of them so? |
| 11:35.50 | abraxa_ | Alright, beat me ;) |
| 11:35.50 | hrw | if software is in OE then it sooner or later lands in angstrom feeds |
| 11:36.21 | guaqua | multi-tap pad looks nice |
| 11:36.22 | hrw | one of rules in OE is "any device should be usable with any distro" |
| 11:37.30 | cjb_ie | what's a device? |
| 11:39.01 | zash | nooo! i was going to steal it! |
| 11:39.05 | zash | bastard! ;) |
| 11:39.13 | raddy | hrw : so, do you conclude that dialer fixes have been merged? |
| 11:43.08 | hrw | raddy: which fixes? |
| 11:45.14 | raddy | hrw : http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/openmoko-progress |
| 11:45.50 | torpor | man i wish someone would fix the power issue |
| 11:47.48 | hrw | raddy: yes it is done |
| 11:48.11 | *** join/#openmoko goxboxlive (n=goxboxli@81.80-202-132.nextgentel.com) |
| 11:49.00 | raddy | hrw : ohh, wowww |
| 11:49.32 | raddy | hrw : can specify the snapshot date ?? |
| 11:49.39 | hrw | no |
| 11:50.00 | hrw | install openmoko, connect to internet, ipkg update, ipkg upgrade |
| 11:52.01 | *** join/#openmoko Weteor (n=Weteor@i59F619DA.versanet.de) |
| 11:53.47 | *** join/#openmoko Robot101 (n=robot101@light.bluelinux.co.uk) |
| 11:54.30 | xzcvczx | ~seen roh |
| 11:54.37 | apt | roh is currently on #oe (1d 7h 42m 24s) #openmoko (1d 7h 42m 24s). Has said a total of 12 messages. Is idling for 22h 1m 2s, last said: 'doh'. |
| 11:54.38 | xzcvczx | !seen roh |
| 11:54.38 | cdbot2 | xzcvczx, roh is right here! |
| 11:54.51 | xzcvczx | stfu cdbot2 |
| 11:54.56 | CM | hehe |
| 11:55.11 | xzcvczx | ~smack cdbot2 |
| 11:55.11 | apt | ACTION smacks cdbot2 upside the head. |
| 11:55.46 | *** join/#openmoko [PI]Sami (n=sami@a9b.pirttimaki.jyu.fi) |
| 11:58.59 | zash | hahah |
| 11:59.26 | hrw | ;D |
| 11:59.29 | hrw | botwar |
| 12:00.08 | *** join/#openmoko Audiomind (n=Audiomin@newhost71-003.imm.dtu.dk) |
| 12:01.21 | xzcvczx | pity we werent first to register #android..... put them in there with op status |
| 12:01.34 | xzcvczx | no you hang up, no you hang up,........... |
| 12:04.13 | xzcvczx | CM: you traitor |
| 12:04.24 | CM | I'm a spy! :P |
| 12:04.29 | xzcvczx | no triator]\ |
| 12:04.32 | xzcvczx | as is Writchie|zzzZZzz |
| 12:04.50 | CM | But those googlers won't say anything useful.-. |
| 12:08.40 | *** join/#openmoko Magon (n=Magon@archangel.kolej.mff.cuni.cz) |
| 12:08.46 | ScaredyCat | there's nothing to say.... |
| 12:08.51 | ScaredyCat | until 12th |
| 12:09.37 | *** join/#openmoko zecke (n=ich@gprs-pool-1-012.eplus-online.de) |
| 12:12.08 | *** part/#openmoko raddy (n=raddy@59.96.202.31) |
| 12:14.41 | *** join/#openmoko dneary (n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 12:16.38 | *** join/#openmoko pleemans (n=peter@leemanpe.ugent.be) |
| 12:17.58 | *** join/#openmoko Marcel_M (n=Marcel_M@86.59.65.236) |
| 12:19.37 | *** join/#openmoko chode (n=chode@pD9E8886A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:23.35 | *** part/#openmoko chode (n=chode@pD9E8886A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:23.52 | *** join/#openmoko chode (n=chode@pD9E8886A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:25.52 | *** join/#openmoko loufoque (n=loufoque@mathias.residence.ens-lyon.fr) |
| 12:26.23 | CM | ScaredyCat: Sure there is, since they know already, they're just not saying it yet.. :( |
| 12:28.14 | *** join/#openmoko goxboxlive (n=goxboxli@81.80-202-132.nextgentel.com) |
| 12:32.42 | *** join/#openmoko nosyjoe (n=nosyjoe@e048.lmu.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de) |
| 12:39.45 | *** join/#openmoko cmarcelo (n=cmarcelo@200.184.118.132) |
| 12:39.51 | *** join/#openmoko woglinde (n=heinold@leningrad.mi.fu-berlin.de) |
| 12:42.59 | *** join/#openmoko goxboxlive (n=goxboxli@81.80-202-132.nextgentel.com) |
| 12:45.16 | *** join/#openmoko bedboi (n=bedboi@dre84.lss.supelec.fr) |
| 12:45.36 | *** join/#openmoko edistar (n=edwinloc@ip503ddd09.speed.planet.nl) |
| 12:46.19 | *** join/#openmoko freepenguin (n=giacomo@host199-131-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 12:47.17 | freepenguin | hi |
| 12:48.00 | *** join/#openmoko oc2k1 (n=oc2k1@p5B10508D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:53.02 | *** join/#openmoko DarkFoxDK (n=martin@0x558154c8.terminal.tdcmobil.dk) |
| 12:56.32 | ScaredyCat | I wonder why chumby can't be sold outside the us |
| 12:58.42 | *** join/#openmoko MetaMorfoziS (n=khmhm@3e44b520.adsl.enternet.hu) |
| 13:00.29 | so_solid_moo | it's a munition. |
| 13:01.23 | CM | Details on SimCity for the olpc: http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=354795&cid=21290445 |
| 13:01.44 | CM | Should be nice to have an openmoko front end for it too |
| 13:03.58 | *** join/#openmoko edistar (n=edwinloc@ip503ddd09.speed.planet.nl) |
| 13:04.01 | Stephmw | what's the article root? |
| 13:04.59 | *** join/#openmoko Marex-notebook (n=marex@vasut.kolej.mff.cuni.cz) |
| 13:05.50 | *** join/#openmoko jpcass (n=chatzill@innovations-l22.ad.ic.ac.uk) |
| 13:06.23 | jpcass | hello - is anyone experiencing a build problem where certain packages are not getting their SRCREV set properly (being defaulted to 1) ? |
| 13:09.31 | bedboi | LOL!!!!! |
| 13:09.32 | bedboi | http://www.repubblica.it/2006/05/gallerie/politica/mastella-elastico/ |
| 13:09.47 | Fatal | FORBIDDEN |
| 13:09.48 | Fatal | You haven't authorization for this area |
| 13:09.59 | bedboi | this is our minister of the Justice |
| 13:10.20 | bedboi | now i feel really safe: he captured the evil elastic |
| 13:17.50 | *** join/#openmoko Ryback_ (n=ulisses@200.184.118.132) |
| 13:20.01 | *** join/#openmoko k-s[WORK] (n=gustavo@200.184.118.132) |
| 13:22.25 | *** join/#openmoko parag0n (n=parag0n@87.194.100.170) |
| 13:29.08 | *** join/#openmoko Maescool (n=maescool@maescool.be) |
| 13:29.28 | *** join/#openmoko rmoravcik (n=moravcik@gtsgw.ttc.cz) |
| 13:32.02 | *** join/#openmoko XXLT (n=XXLT@herkules.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de) |
| 13:34.15 | *** join/#openmoko XXLT (n=XXLT@herkules.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de) |
| 13:37.59 | *** join/#openmoko swel024 (n=swel024@ip-58-28-147-38.ubs-dsl.xnet.co.nz) |
| 13:41.54 | *** join/#openmoko matsimoto (n=barmeier@dslb-088-072-014-010.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 13:52.21 | *** join/#openmoko goxboxlive (n=goxboxli@81.80-202-132.nextgentel.com) |
| 14:04.18 | torpor | anyone know how to get that AGPS app running? |
| 14:04.37 | xzcvczx | torpor: you will need the gllin binary running in a chroot |
| 14:05.05 | *** join/#openmoko andrunko (n=andrunko@200.184.118.132) |
| 14:05.05 | xzcvczx | and i saw something about a wrapper |
| 14:07.01 | torpor | but where is the app itself? |
| 14:08.01 | *** join/#openmoko poffy (n=poffy@c-98-199-135-173.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
| 14:08.10 | woglinde | his |
| 14:08.35 | balrog-kun | http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=171 |
| 14:08.47 | torpor | i don't see it in your repo |
| 14:09.49 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/openmoko-agpsu........ |
| 14:10.09 | ScaredyCat | gneeh! |
| 14:10.13 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/openmoko-agpsui2_0.1.0+svnr3372-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 14:10.27 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/openmoko-agpsui2-dbg_0.1.0+svnr3372-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 14:11.37 | xzcvczx | ~smack ScaredyCat |
| 14:11.37 | apt | ACTION smacks ScaredyCat upside the head. |
| 14:11.44 | torpor | damn |
| 14:11.55 | torpor | i did ipkg update but its not in the list .. |
| 14:12.07 | ScaredyCat | huh! |
| 14:12.42 | xzcvczx | torpor: you do have scaredycats repos installed? |
| 14:12.48 | torpor | yup |
| 14:13.04 | xzcvczx | sorry had to check |
| 14:13.41 | torpor | so does anyone know how the wrapper setup works then? i really wanna try out agps |
| 14:13.53 | torpor | i have the gllin binary . |
| 14:13.54 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat bound to |
| 14:14.42 | xzcvczx | well unfortunately i havent been able to try it as my touchscreen is stufffed |
| 14:15.18 | ScaredyCat | ipkg install openmoko-agpsui2 |
| 14:15.18 | ScaredyCat | Installing openmoko-agpsui2 (0.1.0+svnr3372-r0) to root... |
| 14:15.18 | ScaredyCat | Downloading http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/openmoko-agpsui2_0.1.0+svnr3372-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 14:15.18 | ScaredyCat | Configuring openmoko-agpsui2 |
| 14:15.48 | torpor | ok i see this http://www.openmoko.org.pl/node/55 |
| 14:16.05 | torpor | ScaredyCat: dunno why it didn't work for me, but anyway thanks for the link, its installed now .. |
| 14:16.28 | *** join/#openmoko Audiomind (n=Audiomin@newhost71-003.imm.dtu.dk) |
| 14:18.39 | ScaredyCat | winners don't do drugs... |
| 14:19.18 | ScaredyCat | actually not very true that is it |
| 14:21.31 | fgau | torpor: http://abraxa.dyndns.org:81/random/gllin-wrapper.tar.gz |
| 14:22.41 | torpor | fgau: thanks! |
| 14:24.33 | jpcass | ScaredyCat: have you seen a build problem where certain packages are not getting their SRCREV set properly (being defaulted to 1) ? |
| 14:25.10 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: depends how much of a winner you want to be |
| 14:25.52 | xzcvczx | w0w abraxa_ needs a better connection |
| 14:26.14 | *** join/#openmoko etrunko (n=edulima@200.184.118.132) |
| 14:28.00 | xzcvczx | wtf it doesnt need a chroot any more |
| 14:28.02 | xzcvczx | sweet |
| 14:28.38 | fgau | jep :) |
| 14:28.50 | torpor | hows that possible? |
| 14:28.52 | *** join/#openmoko arw1 (i=familia@201.244.105.146) |
| 14:28.54 | torpor | i thought the ABI changed? |
| 14:28.59 | *** join/#openmoko goxboxlive (n=goxboxli@81.80-202-132.nextgentel.com) |
| 14:29.09 | xzcvczx | torpor: just sets the lib dirs |
| 14:29.19 | torpor | ah, makes sense |
| 14:29.44 | xzcvczx | that makes it a "bit" easier to use |
| 14:30.11 | torpor | needs a GUI wrapper to start up and shut down tho' .. |
| 14:30.26 | xzcvczx | ???? |
| 14:30.34 | *** join/#openmoko smartbhai (n=smartbha@116.68.99.173) |
| 14:30.37 | xzcvczx | what makes you say that |
| 14:31.02 | xzcvczx | oh you mean someone needs to create a gui start/stop script |
| 14:31.11 | xzcvczx | shouldnt be too hard to attached to the panel plugin |
| 14:31.19 | xzcvczx | s/attached/attach |
| 14:32.23 | *** join/#openmoko rob_w|laptop (n=rob_w@p549B9305.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:32.52 | xzcvczx | and also if you are going to use gpsd then you can stop it dumping to /home/root/gps.gz and just set up gpsd on /tmp/nmeaNP and set it to not stop listening on client disconnect |
| 14:33.15 | xzcvczx | will be reasonably power hungry leaving it on all the time |
| 14:33.16 | torpor | Illegal instruction |
| 14:33.21 | torpor | ^^ i guess it doesn't work. |
| 14:33.39 | xzcvczx | if you set it up properly you would just want to have the gpsd init script attached to the gps panel plugin |
| 14:33.44 | xzcvczx | torpor: when you try what? |
| 14:33.59 | xzcvczx | torpor: run the start_dump script |
| 14:34.06 | torpor | thats what i did |
| 14:34.11 | torpor | yes its in /home/root/gllin too |
| 14:34.22 | xzcvczx | can you strace it? |
| 14:34.51 | xzcvczx | actually i doubt that will help |
| 14:36.42 | xzcvczx | dont see why /home/root/gllin/usr/lib is in the lib l.ist though |
| 14:39.47 | mwester | Who's complaining about power,then? |
| 14:40.03 | xzcvczx | i am |
| 14:40.17 | torpor | me too |
| 14:40.33 | xzcvczx | ~say me too |
| 14:40.34 | apt | me too |
| 14:40.44 | xzcvczx | :P |
| 14:40.46 | mwester | Which power problem might that be? (The one where the neo sucks the battery dry even when it's turned off?) |
| 14:40.50 | torpor | okay when i unpack glllin-wrapper, gllin (bin file) is 0 bytes long. is that a hint that i should put the binary in place myself? |
| 14:40.51 | xzcvczx | nah i couldnt care less |
| 14:40.58 | torpor | mwester: yes thats the one. |
| 14:40.59 | xzcvczx | torpor: indeed |
| 14:41.11 | torpor | well i did that and i still get illegal instruction |
| 14:41.19 | torpor | is the NVRAM*.DAT file supposed to have anything in it too |
| 14:41.33 | xzcvczx | mwester: i just mentioned power saying leaving gps on 24/7 will leech power like a mofo |
| 14:41.40 | xzcvczx | torpor: sometimes |
| 14:41.45 | xzcvczx | its empheris data |
| 14:41.54 | torpor | well i don't get this, ah well .. |
| 14:42.13 | xzcvczx | torpor: you are running on neo not on computer? |
| 14:42.23 | torpor | yes of course |
| 14:42.30 | xzcvczx | just had to checkk |
| 14:42.49 | xzcvczx | the other option is use that one on .pl and just modify paths where required |
| 14:43.00 | mwester | Ah - do we have a gps driver then?? |
| 14:43.13 | xzcvczx | dunno how many paths are hardwired in om-agpsui2 |
| 14:43.24 | xzcvczx | mwester: no with an if yes with a but :P |
| 14:43.33 | xzcvczx | nah just talking about gllin from p0 |
| 14:44.32 | xzcvczx | not that i have it of course |
| 14:45.12 | mwester | Ah. Ok. I've tried to play "by the rules", but I've truely grown weary of waiting for that driver now. So I don't have it either, and I've also been unable to find it on google, so that I can not download it of course. |
| 14:45.38 | torpor | well mwester i'm playing with it today and i'm no longer playing by the rules either, i want my %#&!@*#&'ing GPS features to be working so i can get on with it .. |
| 14:45.45 | torpor | but guess what: i can't make it work. |
| 14:45.52 | torpor | root@fic-gta01:~/gllin$ lib/ld-linux.so.2 --library-path /home/root/gllin/lib:/home/root/gllin/usr/lib /home/root/gllin/gllin -low 5 |
| 14:45.54 | *** join/#openmoko Airwulf (n=Airwulf@p57B74DFA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:45.56 | torpor | Illegal instruction |
| 14:46.06 | xzcvczx | strace it |
| 14:46.11 | mwester | Well that kind of makes the whole issue a moot point then, if it doesn't work... |
| 14:46.28 | *** join/#openmoko goxboxlive_ (n=goxboxli@81.80-202-132.nextgentel.com) |
| 14:46.33 | xzcvczx | mwester: the binary does work the gui is causing some issues it seems |
| 14:46.43 | xzcvczx | havent seen anyone runnning it yet |
| 14:46.45 | torpor | http://rafb.net/p/APWUzr33.html |
| 14:46.50 | xzcvczx | my neos too f'd |
| 14:48.16 | xzcvczx | torpor: hmmmm looks like one of the libs are fucked |
| 14:48.20 | xzcvczx | abraxa_: |
| 14:48.28 | xzcvczx | ~smack abraxa_ |
| 14:48.29 | apt | ACTION smacks abraxa_ upside the head. |
| 14:48.30 | mwester | Anyway, I just got back from a trip, and my neo did not discharge the battery while it was left turned off. The sound patch is solves part of the power problem, and this script fixed the gsm modem not powering off: http://pastebin.com/m6c787f17 |
| 14:49.01 | torpor | mwester: so what do we do to fix this in the distro then? |
| 14:49.12 | mwester | Incredibly simple. Such a shame that so after so many months this hasn't been fixed. |
| 14:49.17 | xzcvczx | mwester: power usage i find to be very little concern to me at the moment as its still to short to be considered a phone anyway |
| 14:49.49 | xzcvczx | torpor: send me a working neo so i can do some testing :P |
| 14:50.15 | mwester | The experienced users have no real need for it as most of them keep the neo tethered on the usb cable. It's the countless newbies who pop in here daily to ask about the flat battery and how to resurrect the neo. |
| 14:50.32 | torpor | i'm an experienced user and i'm sick of keeping my neo tethered just to keep the battery alive. |
| 14:50.37 | xzcvczx | true |
| 14:50.47 | XorA | xzcvczx: power usage is being reduced |
| 14:51.04 | xzcvczx | torpor: get a wall usb charger and use bluetooth :P |
| 14:51.05 | mickeyl | mwester: do we have that on bugzilla yet? |
| 14:51.24 | xzcvczx | XorA: well i should also say my touchscreen doesnt work so not much use either way |
| 14:51.33 | mwester | Nope. Got called out of town for a customer visit. Pesky things, those customers. |
| 14:51.45 | mwester | Hope to get that into bugzilla today. |
| 14:52.16 | mickeyl | mwester: ok, cool. i'll process it over the weekend then, so it makes it into the next snapshot |
| 14:52.43 | xzcvczx | mickeyl: now thats a good worker.... working on weekends :) |
| 14:52.51 | mwester | You'll need the sound driver patch for the kernel as well. It's in bugzilla, but I don't remember the nubmer just yet. |
| 14:53.01 | mickeyl | mwester: please make it a bug dependency |
| 14:53.08 | mwester | Ah, good idea. :) |
| 14:53.10 | mickeyl | xzcvczx: no kidding. I've been doing overhours like crazy :/ |
| 14:53.26 | mickeyl | i need a couple of clones |
| 14:53.27 | mickeyl | heh |
| 14:53.43 | xzcvczx | mickeyl: if i ever make it to where you are or you ever make it to the assshole of the world i will buy you a beer |
| 14:54.03 | XorA | which sound driver patch do we talk of? |
| 14:54.05 | xzcvczx | wait sorry asshole of the world -1 not quite america |
| 14:54.46 | mickeyl | xzcvczx: hehe, deal :) |
| 14:55.08 | *** join/#openmoko mmp (n=mmp@adsl-dyn86.78-98-17.t-com.sk) |
| 14:56.15 | *** join/#openmoko icman (n=icman@123-240-172-21.cctv.dynamic.lsc.net.tw) |
| 14:57.21 | xzcvczx | woot summer holidays start in < 12 hrs |
| 14:57.27 | XorA | mwester: which sound driver patch? |
| 14:57.34 | guaqua | summer holidays |
| 14:57.55 | guaqua | it's like 6 hours of light here per day now |
| 14:57.58 | mwester | XorA: I'm searching bugzilla, can' |
| 14:58.04 | mwester | t find it right now...:( |
| 14:58.06 | zash | xzcvczx: what? |
| 14:58.10 | xzcvczx | guaqua: ha ha :P |
| 14:58.20 | XorA | mwester: just tell me what it does :-) the chances are its already in and bug was closed |
| 14:58.22 | zash | xzcvczx: in what part of the world? |
| 14:58.27 | xzcvczx | zash: holidays during summer ya know |
| 14:58.33 | xzcvczx | zash: new zealnd |
| 14:58.40 | xzcvczx | zealand |
| 14:58.43 | xzcvczx | that one |
| 14:58.51 | mwester | turns off the lm???? chip's power on suspend and shutdown. |
| 14:59.04 | XorA | mwester: thats already in kernel, just not enabled in OE yet |
| 14:59.08 | XorA | mwester: Im working on it |
| 14:59.10 | zash | here, it is cold, dark and the snow from yesterday rained away |
| 14:59.15 | mwester | Ah, ok. |
| 14:59.35 | xzcvczx | zash: here it is warm and there are blue skies occasioanlly |
| 14:59.54 | xzcvczx | gah damn keyboard write what i say not what i type |
| 15:02.16 | guaqua | where is zash now? |
| 15:03.00 | zash | ac.se |
| 15:03.23 | xzcvczx | sveden |
| 15:03.49 | *** join/#openmoko ozarka (n=elineber@12.106.220.2) |
| 15:03.55 | zash | north sweden |
| 15:04.16 | guaqua | where in northern sweden? |
| 15:04.30 | zash | umeå |
| 15:04.39 | guaqua | okay |
| 15:04.53 | guaqua | part of the umeå openmoko society :) |
| 15:05.17 | guaqua | and that's not too far up north, i'm from uleåborg after all ;) |
| 15:06.12 | *** join/#openmoko LeRrA (n=lerra@h-91-126-56-52.wholesale.rp80.se) |
| 15:06.52 | *** join/#openmoko josch (n=josch@host132.natpool.mwn.de) |
| 15:10.27 | *** join/#openmoko Weteor_ (n=Weteor@i59F60D00.versanet.de) |
| 15:11.17 | *** join/#openmoko Demitar (n=demitar@79.136.4.233) |
| 15:19.48 | *** join/#openmoko harzi_ (n=dani@84-73-142-90.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 15:20.27 | *** join/#openmoko jpozlovsky (n=jindra@rb5cc115.net.upc.cz) |
| 15:26.10 | xzcvczx | wow i am glad that micheal silolh or however you spell it has asked people to move on from the 850 discussion otheriwse it would be a reasonably boring month on the community list |
| 15:26.23 | *** join/#openmoko fulgas (i=bd1uphni@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.net/x-94d8a39a59f3b723) |
| 15:26.46 | mwester | Do you think anyone will listen, though? |
| 15:27.00 | *** join/#openmoko hexa (n=hexa@67.70.246.100) |
| 15:27.29 | xzcvczx | mwester: well its slowed it down if not stopped it] |
| 15:28.55 | mwester | I don't subscribe, I just picked out a few of the emails (from the euromoko^H^H^H^Hopenmoko team) to get the status, but it looks like lots of "venting" probably is going on. |
| 15:29.37 | xzcvczx | i subscribe to it for about a week before it got too high volume for me |
| 15:29.49 | ScaredyCat | pussys |
| 15:29.50 | xzcvczx | now i just read the archives when i am bored |
| 15:30.02 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: eat me then |
| 15:30.07 | guaqua | community is like one big happy flamewar |
| 15:30.08 | *** join/#openmoko unmadindu (n=sayamind@59.93.193.63) |
| 15:30.08 | mwester | And for good reason, I don't mean to discount the concerns of those affected, especially since I'm one of them. But I don't see the point of emails to the community list, I think emails direct to Sean might be a better use of bandwidth. |
| 15:30.52 | xzcvczx | mwester: unfortunately it could have a big impact on the popularity of 02 |
| 15:31.00 | mwester | It already has. |
| 15:31.33 | SpeedEvil | Apparently an alternative 3-band with 850 in place of 900 is not a major change. |
| 15:31.34 | xzcvczx | meh |
| 15:31.41 | ScaredyCat | more for us then :D |
| 15:31.41 | SpeedEvil | 4 band is a major change |
| 15:32.41 | xzcvczx | which are the 2 most used bands? |
| 15:32.49 | XorA | 900/1800 |
| 15:32.49 | SpeedEvil | depends where you are |
| 15:32.57 | mwester | IMO, the issue is not about the *numbers* of possible customers in affected areas, it's about the global vision. Add the qualifier "European Tri-band phone" wherever Sean mentions the project in his speeches and emails, and suddenly the openmoko project doesn't seem so, well, so exciting or global. |
| 15:33.29 | *** join/#openmoko zween (n=zween@79-68-9-117.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 15:33.29 | xzcvczx | how hard would it be to change the 1900 for the 850 then instead of the 900 |
| 15:33.45 | SpeedEvil | xzcvczx: dunno |
| 15:33.55 | XorA | xzcvczx: then you would still screw .us guys |
| 15:34.14 | xzcvczx | XorA: oh so the yanks are using 1900 and 850 |
| 15:34.42 | XorA | xzcvczx: yes, traditionally tri-band was 900/1800/1900 and worked in the US, but then they added 850 to the US |
| 15:34.59 | xzcvczx | ho hum |
| 15:35.00 | XorA | 900/1800 are the classic GSM freqs |
| 15:35.08 | gi-el | actually 900 is |
| 15:35.14 | mwester | Because 900 MHz in the us was already granted to low-power unlicensed use -- baby monitors, cordless phones, other bull**** |
| 15:35.15 | gi-el | 1800 was originally not even called gsm |
| 15:35.25 | XorA | gi-el: I know its DCS1800 |
| 15:35.41 | XorA | gi-el: but I didnt want to confuse people with history from 14 years ago |
| 15:35.45 | gi-el | exactly, but that was back when gsm was still a french term :) |
| 15:36.03 | gi-el | XorA: sorry |
| 15:36.07 | gi-el | ppl! forget what i said! |
| 15:36.36 | XorA | gi-el: there are still files on the SIM labelled DCS1800 just in case some of those phones still work :-) |
| 15:38.11 | *** join/#openmoko PBeck (n=PBeck@91.89.138.232) |
| 15:38.21 | PBeck | hi |
| 15:38.32 | *** join/#openmoko DarkFoxDK (n=martin@89.150.121.200) |
| 15:38.36 | xzcvczx | good evening sire |
| 15:40.32 | *** join/#openmoko reppel (n=reppel@213-140-11-128.fastres.net) |
| 15:41.12 | *** join/#openmoko burton__ (n=burt0n`@ASte-Genev-Bois-152-1-35-33.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 15:42.04 | reppel | Hi, are there instruction to try qtopia with the qemu neo emulator? I've built and tried it with 2007.2, I've tried to download qtopia rootfs+kernel images, but u-boot gives me a strange error |
| 15:43.14 | *** join/#openmoko Tob2 (n=tobi@p5B0058CA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:45.08 | *** join/#openmoko rob_w|laptop (n=rob_w@p549B9305.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 15:45.15 | *** join/#openmoko fcarvalho (n=fcarvalh@200.184.118.132) |
| 15:47.32 | CM | reppel: I've just flashed it with dfu-util just as with openmoko, but I haven't tried qtopia lately so maybe it's broken now |
| 15:49.37 | xzcvczx | CM: i think he wants it on qemu |
| 15:49.44 | *** join/#openmoko Mek_ (n=marijn@s55917044.adsl.wanadoo.nl) |
| 15:49.59 | CM | Ah, ok. Hmm.. Never tried that |
| 15:50.17 | CM | Too tired to even read the question correctly.. *blink* |
| 15:50.32 | CM | I haven't gotten qemu to work in months |
| 15:51.11 | reppel | :) |
| 15:51.17 | *** join/#openmoko mindCrime (n=chatzill@66.83.208.218.nw.nuvox.net) |
| 15:51.26 | arw1 | :) |
| 15:51.37 | josch | is qtopia on the neo more feature rich than current openmoko? (stable gsm, writing sms...) |
| 15:51.48 | xzcvczx | CM: i havent bothered getting qemu working in months its too damn slow |
| 15:51.52 | josch | replace feature rich by stable/mature |
| 15:52.01 | xzcvczx | josch: believe so |
| 15:52.11 | josch | did anybody try? |
| 15:52.12 | xzcvczx | josch: i am sure there are numerouse postings on wiki about it |
| 15:52.14 | *** join/#openmoko Penguin (n=Pen9u1n@220.181.54.114) |
| 15:52.15 | xzcvczx | yeah people have |
| 15:52.21 | xzcvczx | videos on youtube as well |
| 15:52.39 | josch | so if I want to be productive with my neo qtopia is better for me? |
| 15:52.59 | Penguin | hi forks |
| 15:53.04 | josch | all I'm doing with it for now is searching for a strange gsm daemon bug |
| 15:53.23 | xzcvczx | josch: probably dunno what the power managements like though |
| 15:54.33 | josch | is trying it out as simple as with openmoko (copying on my sd card and booting)? |
| 15:55.14 | xzcvczx | easier just to flash it on' |
| 15:55.31 | CM | Powermanagement in qtopia isn't good either |
| 15:55.48 | CM | At least not to me. Once it suspended it was dead ;) |
| 15:55.54 | xzcvczx | there we go then cm is more authoritive on the subject than i] |
| 15:56.19 | josch | well, I will stick with openmoko chasing bugs ^^ |
| 16:00.30 | CM | Hmm.. http://valleywag.com/tech/exclusive/screenshots-of-first-googlephone-app-320226.php |
| 16:01.02 | *** join/#openmoko bluemaex (n=bluemaex@81.169.224.93) |
| 16:01.23 | ScaredyCat | if I see that link one more time I'm going to kill someone |
| 16:01.27 | summatusmentis | do we know anything about FICs plans for hardware releases after GTA02? |
| 16:02.59 | *** join/#openmoko danielo (n=danne@ua-83-227-157-197.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 16:04.13 | mwester | summatusmentis: The question is what value should anyone place on FIC's specific plans even for the GTA02, with the recent "discovery" that the hardware is "euromoko". I think that it would be reasonable to assume that everything we thought we knew about the release and schedule may be very changeable right now. |
| 16:04.47 | ozarka | Vaporware SDLC: 1. press release, 2. screen shots, 3. articles in the news, 4. blog entries |
| 16:05.12 | *** join/#openmoko cesarb_ (n=cesarb@ipanema.nitnet.com.br) |
| 16:05.35 | CM | mwester: SonyEricsson do that don't they? |
| 16:05.36 | summatusmentis | mwester: that's primarily why I'm asking. I live in rural areas of the US, where 850 is the only gsm available. either that, or cdma, so that's why i ask |
| 16:05.50 | ozarka | It's a loop, so you go back to 1 when people stop caring. |
| 16:05.51 | CM | I mean, a lot of phones have an US version |
| 16:06.08 | *** join/#openmoko Ebbe (n=ebbe@users.kollegienet.dk) |
| 16:06.10 | CM | And I think the K700j was Japanese, I had K700i (international) |
| 16:06.13 | xzcvczx | is unfortunate not to have a quadband though |
| 16:06.17 | ozarka | A lot of phones have quad band gsm. :-) |
| 16:06.19 | ScaredyCat | se phones are shite... |
| 16:06.22 | ScaredyCat | just admit it |
| 16:06.36 | thomasg | a lot of states use standard-(e)gsm in 900 and 1800 mhz bands :) |
| 16:06.41 | mwester | summatusmentis: I'm near Chicago, but I too need 850 here. A quad-band would be nice, but it sounds like that isn't possible with the GTA02. :( |
| 16:06.44 | CM | Hehe, but they work, at least for me |
| 16:07.22 | ScaredyCat | they probably export the crap |
| 16:07.22 | ScaredyCat | not a p910i then... |
| 16:07.22 | ScaredyCat | you'd hate them too if you'd had one |
| 16:07.23 | CM | ScaredyCat: No, that's utter crap |
| 16:07.32 | CM | I know, my dad had one. Never worked properly |
| 16:07.47 | *** join/#openmoko goxboxlive (n=goxboxli@81.80-202-132.nextgentel.com) |
| 16:07.58 | summatusmentis | mwester: yeah... kinda bumming out, knowing it's not likely to work in most of the us |
| 16:08.03 | xzcvczx | not as bad as the razr..... would crash if the phone created its user dictionary file |
| 16:08.05 | *** join/#openmoko chris^ (n=kraetzi@78.52.154.242) |
| 16:08.08 | ScaredyCat | if you type your pin number in fast enought, it doesn't replace the numbers with *'s |
| 16:08.44 | ScaredyCat | stupid stupid phone. |
| 16:09.08 | mwester | summatusmentis: I think the ball is in *moko's court, and all we can do is wait to see what they decide to do. |
| 16:09.33 | *** join/#openmoko stefan_schmidt (n=stefan@datenfreihafen.org) |
| 16:09.48 | josch | hi! me and fgau are having a little problem with the gsm daemon and would like to know how to work around it |
| 16:10.15 | josch | the problem is, that gsm sometimes stops working - we didn't figure out why but |
| 16:10.17 | CM | mwester: *moko? ClosedMoko, BrokenMoko, iMoko? |
| 16:10.23 | ScaredyCat | I actaully want them shipping to and from the US - in usd prices please :D |
| 16:10.36 | josch | we were not able to restart it by /etc/init.d/gsmd restart |
| 16:10.37 | mwester | CM: Euromoko |
| 16:10.44 | CM | :) |
| 16:10.59 | josch | so, what do we have to do to restart the gsm chip and re-register with the network |
| 16:11.18 | josch | sometimes /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart helps but not always |
| 16:11.43 | josch | is this a common problem? we were not able to make it reproduceable |
| 16:12.03 | josch | but to know how to be able to restart gsm would help a lot |
| 16:12.26 | *** join/#openmoko sagacis (n=mark@cpe-66-25-2-209.tx.res.rr.com) |
| 16:13.17 | mwester | josch: depends on which image/updates you work with. "/etc/init.d/gsmd restart" will do the job on recent ones, it might not work so well on older ones, and may in fact lock up the phone on really old images. |
| 16:14.07 | josch | mwester, my image is from today and I'm using your kernel |
| 16:14.24 | Ebbe | josch: An image from http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/?M=D ? |
| 16:14.26 | mwester | Ok. Then I don't know :( |
| 16:14.44 | josch | Ebbe, no I build it my own |
| 16:15.03 | josch | mwester, if I'm using your kernel you don't know? :-) |
| 16:15.21 | Ebbe | josch: Maybe you should try a build from there. I'm having luck with that |
| 16:15.35 | josch | okay, will try that |
| 16:15.46 | mwester | kernel + recent image should resolve the lockup issue (kernel), and should have all the right stuff in the /etc/init.d/gsmd script to ensure that gsmd starts and restarts reliably. |
| 16:16.06 | mwester | So your problem must be something I've not seen so far. |
| 16:16.10 | *** join/#openmoko danilos (n=danilo@pool-71-124-234-44.bstnma.east.verizon.net) |
| 16:16.23 | josch | mwester, fgau is also having the same problem with a custom image |
| 16:16.40 | *** join/#openmoko borg_ (n=olaf@80.149.17.21) |
| 16:16.52 | josch | so, at a first step I should try out an official image? |
| 16:17.03 | josch | why should this be different from mine? |
| 16:17.47 | *** join/#openmoko danilos (n=danilo@pool-71-124-234-44.bstnma.east.verizon.net) |
| 16:17.48 | Ebbe | josch: I don't really know.. :/ |
| 16:18.09 | josch | Ebbe, so you do not have this problems with this image? |
| 16:18.24 | Ebbe | josch: Nope |
| 16:18.39 | balrog-kun | josch: that's not the official ones |
| 16:18.42 | josch | should I use an official kernel or mwesters? |
| 16:18.48 | *** join/#openmoko moo^ (n=sexycows@80.75.108.6) |
| 16:19.18 | josch | those are the oficial builds? http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D |
| 16:19.38 | balrog-kun | yeah |
| 16:20.24 | Ebbe | josch: According to this( http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/openmoko-progress ) it first worked with Ångström upstream.. I don't know if this is related.. |
| 16:20.44 | torpor | beer |
| 16:20.47 | torpor | that is a good idea. |
| 16:20.54 | Ebbe | josch: And now it works with the builds I showed you |
| 16:21.25 | ScaredyCat | .. and then your phone would work too |
| 16:21.28 | torpor | anyone able to use the angrstom feed on their neo's right now? |
| 16:21.51 | josch | maybe I should just do another build on my pc |
| 16:22.01 | josch | and use the official kernel |
| 16:22.59 | ScaredyCat | josch: my images work ok |
| 16:22.59 | *** join/#openmoko summatusmentis (n=summatus@umm-yrless170.morris.umn.edu) |
| 16:23.11 | josch | ScaredyCat, yeah but I need tar for my sd card |
| 16:23.44 | ScaredyCat | ahh |
| 16:23.53 | josch | ScaredyCat, ?? |
| 16:24.15 | torpor | w00t fsckstar is back! |
| 16:25.01 | torpor | anyone know how to put terminal into a much more code-friendly font setup? |
| 16:25.10 | *** join/#openmoko johnnyboy (n=johnnybo@roaming-217-117.nss.udel.edu) |
| 16:27.28 | *** join/#openmoko Ryushin (i=proxy@windwalker.openinnovations.com) |
| 16:35.40 | *** join/#openmoko peepsalot (n=peepsalo@bwext.kpimdp.com) |
| 16:47.12 | *** join/#openmoko danilos (n=danilo@75.144.175.202) |
| 16:48.45 | *** join/#openmoko alphaone (n=daniel@c120.apm.etc.tu-bs.de) |
| 16:51.35 | *** join/#openmoko heikkit (n=chatzill@c-67-188-122-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 16:52.17 | *** part/#openmoko stefan_schmidt (n=stefan@datenfreihafen.org) |
| 16:54.11 | *** join/#openmoko woglinde (i=woglinde@e178069208.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 16:55.33 | *** join/#openmoko andrunko (n=andrunko@200.184.118.132) |
| 16:57.51 | *** join/#openmoko test_ (n=test_@host214-85-static.34-85-b.business.telecomitalia.it) |
| 16:59.58 | torpor | where is everyone tonight? |
| 17:00.25 | mwester | they went off for beer, they said. |
| 17:02.21 | ruxpin | does the google phone use openmoko, or do they (the collaboration) have their own OS? |
| 17:02.40 | *** join/#openmoko greentux (n=lemke@Z6f14.z.pppool.de) |
| 17:02.46 | Stephmw | they've not said yet |
| 17:02.52 | Ebbe | ruxpin: They'll make their own |
| 17:02.59 | Ebbe | Android they call it |
| 17:03.01 | don-o | ruxpin: see #android |
| 17:03.11 | Stephmw | aye, join everyone else waiting for monday |
| 17:03.31 | ruxpin | hehe |
| 17:03.57 | *** join/#openmoko jpcass (n=chatzill@innovations-l22.ad.ic.ac.uk) |
| 17:03.58 | Ebbe | But it'll be closed compared to the beautiful OpenMoko! :) |
| 17:04.20 | XorA | OpenMoko wont be beautiful when I finish |
| 17:04.45 | ruxpin | so no-one knows if openmoko and android are interchangeable in gphone and neo1973? |
| 17:04.57 | guaqua | ruxpin: there's no such thing as gphone |
| 17:05.25 | XorA | and I thought the pirahna tank effect had finished when people got their Neo's |
| 17:05.37 | Penguin | I won't ask about GTA02, But, first of all, what's GTA02?:) |
| 17:05.49 | mwester | Penguin: don't ask. |
| 17:05.54 | Ebbe | XorA: What do you mean? |
| 17:05.58 | ruxpin | is it a computer game? |
| 17:06.00 | torpor | ohmfg, http://www.themishmash.com/2007/11/explain-this-ta.html |
| 17:06.48 | mwester | XorA: beauty is in the eye of the beholder - I'm sure it will be a wonder to behold after you finish! |
| 17:06.56 | XorA | Ebbe: which comment? |
| 17:07.41 | ruxpin | perhaps it's henna |
| 17:07.41 | Ebbe | XorA: "pirahna tank effect" |
| 17:07.41 | torpor | ruxpin: the thing is, openmoko is linux. anyone can use linux to make a cell phone. *anyone*. |
| 17:07.42 | torpor | there's as many reasons to use linux on a gphone as there are to use redhat or ubuntu or debian in a server center. |
| 17:07.42 | XorA | Ebbe: people grabbing at any slight morsel of rumour as though it was meat |
| 17:07.47 | torpor | people forget; there is a lot of glue out there behind the brand, and some of it is 'linux' |
| 17:07.50 | ruxpin | torpor: yeah, I'm still in the "silo" mindset :) |
| 17:07.54 | torpor | which runs on a fuck of a lot of machinery. |
| 17:07.59 | *** join/#openmoko XXLT (n=XXLT@herkules.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de) |
| 17:08.12 | torpor | what matters to linux is, what is it running on? |
| 17:08.19 | torpor | and as far as android is concerned the answer is: nothing. |
| 17:08.21 | ScaredyCat | XorA: naah, we learned out lessons |
| 17:08.35 | mwester | hehe~ |
| 17:08.37 | XorA | ScaredyCat: yeah, you ate the 850Mhz support by accident |
| 17:08.40 | mwester | s/~/!/ |
| 17:08.53 | Penguin | not as much as M$ windows |
| 17:09.07 | ScaredyCat | XorA: naa, I'm in europe - I win ! :D |
| 17:11.03 | torpor | mwester: what are you skeptikal about? |
| 17:12.15 | *** join/#openmoko chode_ (n=chode@pD9E8923E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:12.45 | mwester | torpor: Everything. Absolutely everything. But in particular, I have committed to myself to *ignore* all dates for FIC/Openmoko issued by anyone, including employees of Openmoko. |
| 17:15.08 | torpor | people really fly by the "open-" part of openmoko, like its a brand for something. its not a brand for something. its a statement that anyone can do what they like with the phones. |
| 17:15.08 | ScaredyCat | yeah, but december, right? ;) |
| 17:15.08 | mwester | I will believe that a GTA02 exists only when I hold it in my hands. And I especially won't believe that a GTA02-US may possibly exist or even be planned until one arrives on my desk. |
| 17:15.08 | torpor | nothing stopping someone from blowing away openmoko on the neo and putting something else on it, entirely. |
| 17:15.08 | torpor | try doing that with a RAZR |
| 17:15.09 | *** join/#openmoko rd_ (n=dr@vnsecurity.net) |
| 17:15.09 | torpor | i believe that the gta02 will hit us. i will get one as soon as i can. i think its a valid platform for pushing openmoko. |
| 17:15.09 | ScaredyCat | try doing it with most phones that'll have andriod on |
| 17:15.10 | mwester | torpor: s/Openmoko/FIC/ whereever you wish so as to read the commentary to apply to both hardware and software. |
| 17:15.10 | torpor | but if it becomes ubiquitous, unless openmoko becomes extremely cool to use, i will put something else on it instead. |
| 17:15.10 | summatusmentis | torpor: erm... w/ VZW razrs, you can do that.... it's not particularly liked, but it's doable |
| 17:15.13 | torpor | yeah i know |
| 17:15.21 | torpor | its not as easy as the neo and openmoko handhelds are supposed to be. |
| 17:15.26 | summatusmentis | true |
| 17:15.29 | *** part/#openmoko johnnyboy (n=johnnybo@roaming-217-117.nss.udel.edu) |
| 17:15.35 | torpor | like, don't forget openmoko is openembedded, and openembedded is sharp/zaurus-derived. |
| 17:16.06 | torpor | openmoko is, like, 3rd-generation linux-in-your-pocket. this seems to be overlooked a lot by newcomers. |
| 17:16.19 | summatusmentis | what was first? |
| 17:16.23 | summatusmentis | qtopia? |
| 17:16.24 | torpor | maybe there aren't as many sl5500's in the world as there should be.. |
| 17:17.15 | mwester | torpor: I don't think that anyone from FIC/Openmoko has committed to a date for the GTA02, and I think the the recent issue with triband is a valid reason for FIC/Openmoko to re-evaluate everything. If I was in charge, and such a major issue arose, I would consider it remiss if I didn't ask if there are other issues in the phone that need time to explore. |
| 17:17.15 | *** join/#openmoko orino (n=orino@84-74-193-114.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 17:17.15 | torpor | mwester: i dunno about that, really honestly and eriously. FIC is a *clone* company, after all. |
| 17:17.18 | torpor | FIC is like 21st century beige-boxer .. |
| 17:17.23 | torpor | +s |
| 17:17.26 | *** join/#openmoko simon_ (n=simon@w208.wist.uni-linz.ac.at) |
| 17:17.56 | torpor | wouldn't it rock if we could get a SOC setup that could just function 100% as a collie clone, only on a keyfob, perhaps? |
| 17:18.04 | torpor | VLC'ed to our gta02's and 3's. . . |
| 17:18.26 | hrw | torpor: collie is crap |
| 17:18.43 | *** join/#openmoko mypapit (n=mypapit@pdpc/supporter/active/mypapit) |
| 17:18.44 | torpor | the only value of openmoko as i see it is how wieldy it is by those who wish to use it to put applications on the phone in front of them. |
| 17:18.44 | *** join/#openmoko goxboxlive (n=goxboxli@81.80-202-132.nextgentel.com) |
| 17:18.49 | mwester | Well, we don't know I guess. But I certainly expect that SOMEBODY at FIC/Openmoko is asking the question "If we didn't know the quad/tri band problem, what ELSE don't we know???" and the result would be, quite reasonably, a delay. |
| 17:19.11 | mwester | hence my skepticism that it will ship anytime soon. |
| 17:19.15 | torpor | hrw: my collie isn't crap, its lovely, parked on the bookshelf, functioning as a server for checkins/outs by my pals .. |
| 17:19.52 | hrw | torpor: as pda it is crap |
| 17:20.40 | torpor | as far as shipping hardware, any FOSS-exploiting company that gets hung up on political reasons for hardware not to work in lieu of shipping 100% working hardware, has its head fully up its ass and probably shouldn't continue to exist. |
| 17:20.40 | torpor | i say that as a hard consumer. |
| 17:20.40 | torpor | hrw: as a computing system, it is not crap. |
| 17:20.40 | mwester | torpor: the current issues are not political, they are technical. |
| 17:21.02 | torpor | mwester: like the specs sheet got ahead of itself, and wasn't in sync with the linux realities? |
| 17:21.10 | ScaredyCat | I'm actually hoping that the reason bugger all has really happened on the openmoko front is down to a secret allians with google and android |
| 17:21.17 | ScaredyCat | alliance |
| 17:21.25 | torpor | thats something different then. it just means the linux guys are having a hard time talking to the paying-the-bills guys, and everyone thinks everyone else is an asshole. |
| 17:21.41 | *** join/#openmoko holycow (n=new@mail.wjsgroup.com) |
| 17:21.59 | torpor | either way, its nice and friendly to be using openmoko to hack codee right now, anywy .. |
| 17:22.01 | mwester | torpor: No, like SOMEBODY knew that the device was tri-band ONLY, but most of the rest of FIC/Openmoko did not. This seems to imply that there was a issue with the requirements docs, testing specs, and everything else. |
| 17:22.26 | torpor | mwester: ah, i see. not enough old-fogies on board to maeke sure all the t's are crossed and i's dotted .. |
| 17:22.44 | torpor | probably not enough hot secretaries taking care of their responsibiliies with the paperwork .. |
| 17:22.46 | mwester | This sort of "disconnect" is reason for any company, not just FOSS-related, to re-evaluate what else may have fallen through the cracks. |
| 17:22.47 | torpor | +t |
| 17:23.19 | torpor | mwester: yeh, alarm state governance is only needed when there hasn't been enough normal governance, right? |
| 17:23.54 | *** join/#openmoko mypapit_ (n=mypapit@51.187.111.218.kmr04-home.tm.net.my) |
| 17:24.39 | *** join/#openmoko rd_ (n=dr@vnsecurity.net) |
| 17:24.49 | anrp | well, also, unless they had expensive gsm test equipment (maybe they did.. who knows) |
| 17:24.50 | *** join/#openmoko nosyjoe (n=nosyjoe@ppp-82-135-15-62.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 17:24.57 | anrp | they would be unable to test 850/1900 in asia |
| 17:25.22 | torpor | maybe they simply got so orgasmed out by the linux thing that they forgot to cross a few t's on the FCC application .. |
| 17:25.25 | torpor | it can happen |
| 17:25.47 | torpor | and after all: THE NEO1973 IS NOTHING BUT A DEVELOPER PHONE. THE 800MHZ ISSUE IS A *DEVELOPER* ISSUE. |
| 17:26.08 | anrp | hw/ti fw developer |
| 17:26.13 | anrp | then there's us, sw devs |
| 17:26.24 | torpor | anrp: what u working on? |
| 17:26.27 | anrp | sw :P |
| 17:26.44 | mwester | torpor: I'm not going to argue that point, but that's not true. The quad/tri band issue is not at all a developer issue. It has far more reaching implications. |
| 17:30.30 | torpor | mwester: such as? |
| 17:32.44 | *** join/#openmoko nosyjoe_ (n=philipp@ppp-82-135-15-62.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 17:35.04 | mwester | I'm not going argue the point with you; I'll argue it with Openmoko/FIC if they wish. The problem is that the device was *BY DESIGN* a euro-triband. It's not as though someone tried to make it quad, and it didn't work out (that would be what you'd expect from a developer P1 phone). Further, there is the issue that FIC/Openmoko didn't know this -- this is serious blow to any organization's credibility. I could go on, but I've said my bit. |
| 17:35.09 | *** join/#openmoko Sufflope (n=Sufflope@crj95-3-82-237-151-219.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 17:35.32 | SpeedEvil | And that one part - the part doing the FCC paperwork - certainly knew it months ago. |
| 17:36.52 | mwester | I've thought of that, but I'm trying to be charitable. It would really anger me if I thought that FIC/Openmoko *knew* the device was Euro-triband *before* they sold the P1 units to anyone in the affected areas as "quad-band-capable". |
| 17:37.19 | *** join/#openmoko smartbhai (n=smartbha@116.68.99.173) |
| 17:38.07 | torpor | mwester: i'm not looking for an argument, i'm interested in your perspective. why is this such a big deal? |
| 17:38.25 | torpor | its not like 8xx mhz band whatever can't be partitioned off/supported properly in linux, just like everything else hanging in /dev |
| 17:38.52 | torpor | perhaps what we ought to conclude is that non-working hardware sucks ass, and people shouldn't sell it for so much money as working hardware. |
| 17:38.58 | torpor | i.e. the neo1973 is *NOT* worth the investment. |
| 17:39.14 | torpor | unless your investment is of course, some form of development front .. in which case it is an interesting exercise .. |
| 17:39.33 | SpeedEvil | Much of the assumption - reasonable IMO - is that a phone manufacturer will not screw up basic aspects of the phone - even if software is not there yet. |
| 17:40.11 | SpeedEvil | This means that people may choose to be early adopters, not unreasonably assuming that they will eventually - if OM works - have a useful phone for their money. |
| 17:40.18 | mwester | torpor: because Euromoko isn't nearly as meaningful a project as Openmoko. The vision of Openmoko is rather less compelling if it's restricted to Europe. And keep in mind that there is no alternate hardware, nor any commitment to make any alternate hardware at this time. |
| 17:40.36 | abraxa_ | xzcvczx: Moo? |
| 17:40.42 | SpeedEvil | And for many people in the US, it's basically now not a useful phone. |
| 17:41.08 | torpor | mwester: yes, fine, you are right, that is all a big problem. what is the issue with just adding 8xx support anyway, though? an FCC application? |
| 17:41.13 | abraxa_ | torpor: Did you replace the gllin dummy with the real binary? If not then you try to execute a file with length 0 :) |
| 17:41.21 | torpor | tell me something: why shouldn't the FOSS world have to comply with governance? |
| 17:41.30 | JohnMahowald | EuroNeo. Presumably openmoko can handle another approved phone with the quad band hardware. |
| 17:41.35 | mwester | torpor: did you read the issue? 850 requires redesigning the circuit board. |
| 17:41.57 | torpor | abraxa_: yes, i figured that out early, but the gllin i put in there ( that used to work pre-ABI change) is also giving me the issue. i think the lib is futz |
| 17:42.17 | SpeedEvil | torpor: this is _completely_ seperate from GPS. |
| 17:42.21 | mwester | JohnMahowald: Yep. As soon as someone creates that hardware. |
| 17:42.57 | SpeedEvil | Or reverse engineers an existing phone. |
| 17:45.42 | *** join/#openmoko Gunirus (n=Gunirus@unaffiliated/Gunirus) |
| 17:46.20 | guaqua | i'm pretty certain someone will create an open phone capable of running openmoko, when there's a viable platform |
| 17:46.33 | guaqua | and a phone that also works in america |
| 17:46.58 | guaqua | this a blow to openmoko project, but not to the whole movement |
| 17:47.51 | guaqua | meant to say, when openmoko is a viable platform |
| 17:48.34 | sladen | it's not a blow. OpenMoko is software. Neo1973 is the alpha of some attempt at making some hardware |
| 17:49.21 | sladen | some numpty only enabled 3 radios; just like some numpty wired the GSM baseband straight to the battery. |
| 17:49.34 | guaqua | it is a blow to the software project aswell. not as many people interested in buying a phone to use it on and to develop on |
| 17:49.57 | sladen | You've never since these "problems" before, because no company has even dared to let you see pre-alpha hardware befre |
| 17:50.12 | sladen | s/since/seen/ |
| 17:50.24 | *** join/#openmoko DarkFoxDK (n=martin@89.150.121.200) |
| 17:50.40 | sladen | apt: ssssh. |
| 17:50.43 | don-o | its been interesting to see problems in the hardware layout. totally new concept to me. |
| 17:50.45 | guaqua | cant argue with you about the hardware |
| 17:51.17 | *** join/#openmoko j_ack (n=j_ack@p508D8E7E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:52.07 | sladen | we expect 2 years of buggy software before its useful; the same is true of hardware, and sometimes fairly large mistakes that need a rewrite happen in both |
| 17:52.20 | torpor | mwester: well it is a big issue, but you know what? why should an asian hardware co. give a shit about the US? |
| 17:52.37 | *** join/#openmoko adjaxio (n=adjaxio@81.56.215.221) |
| 17:52.46 | *** join/#openmoko goxboxlive (n=goxboxli@81.80-202-132.nextgentel.com) |
| 17:52.59 | XorA | another point is back when RF for GTA0X was designed US was some tiny proportion of GSM worldwide most mobile companies ignored it |
| 17:53.09 | sladen | torpor: 10% of a market is still 10% of a market. |
| 17:53.42 | mwester | torpor: thanks, your opinion is noted, and filed. Enjoy your project. |
| 17:54.07 | anrp | ... |
| 17:54.55 | *** join/#openmoko openwill (n=root@220-137-104-38.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 17:54.55 | sladen | my guess is that 1800 and 1900 are close enough to use the same antenna |
| 17:55.10 | sladen | but from what I remembe 850 and 900 need separate ones |
| 17:55.23 | anrp | 900 and 1800 can probably use the same antenna |
| 17:55.30 | anrp | 1900's mismatch with 1800 is not too bad |
| 17:55.42 | sladen | (1800 was short range, so tends to be used in cities) |
| 17:55.43 | mwester | BTW, that kind of comment from torpor is what I feel is the MOST damaging of this situation. The crap going on just divides what was intended to be a global community of developers into multiple groups. Not productive. |
| 17:55.50 | sladen | and 900 tends to be used in the countryside |
| 17:56.02 | anrp | yeah, lower freqs penetrate, propogate better |
| 17:56.09 | XorA | interesting project for someone to mod their GTA01 to 850Mhz |
| 17:56.18 | anrp | its not an hw mod, its a software thing |
| 17:56.31 | anrp | if the antenna is quad, which i assume it is |
| 17:56.38 | anrp | since quad band antennas are old hat now |
| 17:56.44 | mjr | XorA, rather hard. Even if they could replace the 900 MHz circuitry with 850, they'd then need TI Calypso firmware to match |
| 17:56.52 | XorA | anrp: well as it was explained as a board layout issue, its obviously not a software patch :-) |
| 17:56.54 | SpeedEvil | It's not the antenna. |
| 17:57.02 | SpeedEvil | It's the circuitry behind it which is the problem. |
| 17:57.09 | anrp | no 850 drive? |
| 17:57.18 | SpeedEvil | To be a quad-band design, you need a 4-port mux to 4 appropriate ilters. |
| 17:57.22 | SpeedEvil | filters |
| 17:57.30 | SpeedEvil | there is only a 3 port mux |
| 17:57.30 | anrp | and they didnt get that far? |
| 17:57.30 | mjr | yah, and it isn't |
| 17:57.31 | *** join/#openmoko pleemans (n=peter@d51A5E76A.access.telenet.be) |
| 17:57.49 | *** part/#openmoko zedstar (n=john@sr-fw1.router.uk.clara.net) |
| 17:57.51 | SpeedEvil | modding the 900 to 850 might in theory be possible. |
| 17:58.17 | mjr | the best the US guys can hope for is a relatively quick version where the 900 MHz bits are replaced with 850 MHz ones, as is apparently being investigated |
| 17:58.18 | anrp | i am full of un-knowledge (s#!+) .. sorry ;s |
| 17:58.19 | SpeedEvil | However, this is only if you are comfortable reworking dense SMD boards. |
| 17:58.49 | SpeedEvil | The components probably involved are around 1*0.5mm |
| 17:58.57 | anrp | i do lots of work at 0603 |
| 17:58.58 | sladen | are the filters programmable/configurable from the firmware---I think I saw some note of "we could probably make an 850/1800/1900 *or* an 900/1800/1900) |
| 17:59.03 | SpeedEvil | and you can't disturb nearby ones. |
| 17:59.03 | anrp | 0402 is .. maybe too much, though |
| 17:59.06 | SpeedEvil | sladen: no |
| 17:59.11 | SpeedEvil | sladen: it's hardware. |
| 17:59.26 | mjr | sladen, that's talking about two different hw models |
| 17:59.30 | sladen | SpeedEvil: it's hardware == analogue filters? |
| 17:59.33 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:00.07 | sladen | mjr: so that's a case of 3 port mux and replacing one of the filters (one component) on a separate board run? |
| 18:00.08 | anrp | its not an SDR, that would be crazy power consuming, and large |
| 18:00.15 | anrp | ...it would be exceedingly cool though |
| 18:00.27 | SpeedEvil | sladen: basically, yes. |
| 18:00.39 | SpeedEvil | sladen: as ro h was saying yesterday. |
| 18:02.34 | *** join/#openmoko ossman (n=drzeus@gateway.drzeus.cx) |
| 18:14.21 | *** join/#openmoko poffy (n=poffy@c-98-199-135-173.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
| 18:16.48 | *** join/#openmoko rmoravcik (n=rmoravci@ip-89-103-152-149.karneval.cz) |
| 18:18.24 | *** join/#openmoko Marex-notebook (n=marex@gwfm10-3-250.802.cz) |
| 18:18.43 | *** join/#openmoko _diego__ (n=diego@host-84-222-6-115.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 18:22.09 | *** join/#openmoko rd_ (n=dr@vnsecurity.net) |
| 18:26.03 | *** join/#openmoko Zoolooc (n=fredsiba@p54952C06.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:28.39 | *** join/#openmoko zell1983 (n=zell1983@host59-61-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 18:31.39 | *** join/#openmoko eikonos (n=eikonos@frrrc01.vic.sfl.net) |
| 18:34.28 | *** join/#openmoko dkirker (n=dkirker@adsl-64-166-167-137.dsl.snlo01.pacbell.net) |
| 18:34.31 | *** join/#openmoko ckuethe (n=ckuethe@S0106000024c38a18.ed.shawcable.net) |
| 18:37.47 | *** join/#openmoko playya (n=playya@p508B2D9B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:38.48 | *** join/#openmoko LetoTo (n=paul@193.110.157.17) |
| 18:42.00 | *** join/#openmoko pipomolo42 (n=pipomolo@ALille-152-1-21-119.w83-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:45.41 | *** join/#openmoko miip (n=miip@p54A577DE.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:47.59 | *** join/#openmoko mortenlysgaard (n=mortenly@ti500720a080-6342.bb.online.no) |
| 18:48.54 | *** join/#openmoko IfChinsCouldKill (n=ifchinsc@p5B1050FD.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:50.16 | *** part/#openmoko Writchie|away (n=writchie@195.230.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 18:51.37 | *** join/#openmoko HellDragon (i=jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) |
| 18:55.45 | *** join/#openmoko felipe` (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) |
| 18:58.01 | *** join/#openmoko tr2x (n=alvar@147.87.129.235) |
| 18:58.09 | *** join/#openmoko _rob (n=rob@85.233.59.8.static.cablesurf.de) |
| 18:59.28 | *** join/#openmoko ossman (n=drzeus@gateway.drzeus.cx) |
| 18:59.30 | torpor | mwester: i believe that it doesn't matter if neo screws up, openmoko can float along to whatever else comes next. |
| 18:59.48 | torpor | euromoko vs US-moko == irrelevant. linux doesn't run on nationalism. |
| 19:00.08 | torpor | it runs on hardware. so whatever mass-produced hardware it can be ported to, within its ultra-shiny and smooth bubble, its a good thing. |
| 19:00.14 | torpor | its already done that, now, across a lot of platforms. |
| 19:00.23 | torpor | </rant> |
| 19:00.30 | SpeedEvil | Assuming that Android isn't very open, and great |
| 19:00.39 | SpeedEvil | and takes away all the devs |
| 19:01.13 | *** join/#openmoko Writchie|away (n=writchie@195.230.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 19:01.27 | SpeedEvil | and produces the appropriate gas mixture |
| 19:01.30 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 19:01.59 | *** join/#openmoko pH5 (n=ph5@p5485E821.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:02.39 | *** join/#openmoko nosyjoe (n=nosyjoe@ppp-82-135-15-62.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 19:02.41 | torpor | android is not running on anything. maybe i'll run android on the neo1973 next tuesday, if i can. |
| 19:03.04 | *** join/#openmoko openwill (n=root@218-167-200-85.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 19:03.37 | harzi | heh, probaply the only plattform it will ever work ;) |
| 19:03.42 | SpeedEvil | That's what I mean - when it's announced and released. |
| 19:04.46 | *** join/#openmoko openwill_ (n=root@220-137-104-38.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 19:06.20 | balrog-kun | their testing platform is a board based on the Qualcomm SoC, so not only |
| 19:07.16 | *** join/#openmoko Maledictus (n=Malebob@f048064165.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 19:08.41 | *** join/#openmoko openwill_ (n=root@220-137-104-38.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 19:09.09 | torpor | balrog-kun: gcc targets plenty of SoC's .. qualcomms are worth more than others, sometimes less . . |
| 19:10.36 | balrog-kun | torpor: gcc doesn't target SoC's, it targets ARM in general, and i'm not saying anything about wether qualcomm is good or not |
| 19:10.53 | torpor | SoC == system on chip, right? |
| 19:11.23 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 19:11.29 | torpor | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System-on-a-chip |
| 19:11.37 | torpor | gcc + linux targets plenty o'l SoC's .. |
| 19:11.49 | *** join/#openmoko openwill (n=root@220-137-104-38.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 19:12.01 | torpor | SoC's aren't just arm .. i've got a mips one, a coldfire one .. |
| 19:12.26 | torpor | you can't get to the bits of SoC's without a compiler. |
| 19:12.32 | balrog-kun | i wasn't implying SoC's are arm |
| 19:12.37 | torpor | whatever. |
| 19:12.39 | balrog-kun | gcc has no knowledge about any SoC |
| 19:12.55 | torpor | the point is whats so special about qualcomm's soc's? |
| 19:13.23 | balrog-kun | i don't know, i just said the Neo1973 is not the only platform Android will possibly run on |
| 19:13.31 | torpor | balrog-kun: gcc *targets* SoC's .. whether its by allowing code to be written for the principle CPU, or allowing that code to be written that allows easy access to the on-components.. |
| 19:14.13 | torpor | you don't write to an onboard component without a compiler.. cpu's have expanded to allow not just bins but full systems .. |
| 19:14.58 | balrog-kun | that's like saying gcc targets computers that have a Sound Blaster or a Floppy drive |
| 19:15.05 | *** join/#openmoko behdad (i=behdad@nat/redhat-ca/x-23d44a1934b46233) |
| 19:15.08 | balrog-kun | the compiler is completely agnostic to that |
| 19:15.23 | roh | re guys |
| 19:15.32 | roh | (and lads is we really have ones) |
| 19:16.53 | *** join/#openmoko pleemans (n=peter@d51A5E76A.access.telenet.be) |
| 19:16.58 | *** join/#openmoko thomasgruebler (n=thomasgr@85-124-167-249.work.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 19:19.52 | *** join/#openmoko openwill (n=root@220-137-104-38.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 19:22.50 | *** join/#openmoko openwill_ (n=root@218-167-200-85.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 19:25.01 | *** join/#openmoko danilos (n=danilo@75.144.175.202) |
| 19:25.38 | *** join/#openmoko openwill_ (n=root@218-167-200-85.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 19:26.26 | *** join/#openmoko zmedico (n=zmedico@ip68-4-152-120.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 19:29.37 | *** join/#openmoko openwill (n=root@220-137-104-38.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 19:32.38 | *** join/#openmoko openwill__ (n=root@220-137-104-38.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 19:38.54 | *** join/#openmoko nosyjoe (n=nosyjoe@ppp-82-135-15-62.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 19:40.09 | *** join/#openmoko TimRiker (n=timr@psnet.cc) |
| 19:42.39 | *** join/#openmoko Placid (n=placid@beplacid.net) |
| 19:45.05 | *** join/#openmoko cb22 (n=cb25@196.210.101.135) |
| 19:45.24 | *** join/#openmoko Umbar (n=WP-Gast@217-162-108-62.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 19:45.27 | Umbar | WHY |
| 19:45.38 | *** join/#openmoko savetheWorld (n=Lester@about/linux/staff/savetheWorld) |
| 19:45.50 | CVirus | because ? |
| 19:47.05 | Umbar | wrong answer |
| 19:48.24 | *** join/#openmoko njan (i=james@freenode/staff/njan) |
| 19:48.59 | *** part/#openmoko fgau (n=fgau@62.8.133.125) |
| 19:49.11 | *** join/#openmoko tomaw (i=tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) |
| 19:49.30 | Umbar | poor tomaw |
| 19:49.41 | *** join/#openmoko jnd (n=jenda@unaffiliated/jnd) |
| 19:49.42 | *** join/#openmoko jmichel (n=jmichel@142.92.36.177) |
| 19:51.04 | *** part/#openmoko Umbar (n=WP-Gast@217-162-108-62.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 19:51.28 | *** part/#openmoko tomaw (i=tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) |
| 19:52.04 | *** part/#openmoko jnd (n=jenda@unaffiliated/jnd) |
| 19:52.18 | *** part/#openmoko savetheWorld (n=Lester@about/linux/staff/savetheWorld) |
| 19:54.10 | *** join/#openmoko ossman (n=drzeus@gateway.drzeus.cx) |
| 19:54.27 | *** join/#openmoko wibbit (n=douglasf@host-84-9-13-237.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 19:55.13 | *** join/#openmoko enjahova (n=enjahova@user85.freac.fsu.edu) |
| 19:58.59 | *** join/#openmoko marsan_ (n=marsan@ti500720a080-8380.bb.online.no) |
| 20:04.39 | *** join/#openmoko goxboxlive (n=goxboxli@81.80-202-132.nextgentel.com) |
| 20:10.16 | *** join/#openmoko mockenh (n=joe@p57B8E526.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:11.57 | *** join/#openmoko goxboxlive_ (n=goxboxli@81.80-202-132.nextgentel.com) |
| 20:12.11 | *** join/#openmoko berkus (n=berkus@87-119-191-142.tll.elisa.ee) |
| 20:13.52 | *** join/#openmoko exastra (n=go@c-24-21-152-246.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 20:14.27 | *** join/#openmoko henrikw (n=henrik@236.84-48-53.nextgentel.com) |
| 20:18.12 | *** join/#openmoko bluemaex (n=bluemaex@81.169.224.93) |
| 20:19.38 | *** join/#openmoko goxboxlive_ (n=goxboxli@81.80-202-132.nextgentel.com) |
| 20:22.24 | *** join/#openmoko summatusmentis (n=summatus@umm-yrless170.morris.umn.edu) |
| 20:24.33 | *** join/#openmoko marsan_ (n=marsan@ti500720a080-8380.bb.online.no) |
| 20:26.29 | *** join/#openmoko danilos (n=danilo@75.144.175.202) |
| 20:28.45 | Kragnerac | Phone. :) |
| 20:29.34 | emdete | i read here, that gllin is free (while closed source) now. is that true? |
| 20:30.54 | balrog-kun | i'm don't really have up-to-date knowledge but i know some people distribute it |
| 20:31.00 | balrog-kun | so it's downloadable, legally or not |
| 20:33.40 | mmontour | emdete: A GUI frontend was released (openmoko-agpsui2), but not gllin itself |
| 20:35.38 | anrp | how useful |
| 20:37.01 | mwester | ;D |
| 20:37.15 | flexd | anyone of you got experience with git ? |
| 20:37.21 | *** part/#openmoko Kragnerac (n=Kragnera@cpe-24-209-224-175.cinci.res.rr.com) |
| 20:37.33 | *** join/#openmoko Ghiottone (n=ale@151.72.108.83) |
| 20:37.37 | *** join/#openmoko Kragnerac (n=Kragnera@cpe-24-209-224-175.cinci.res.rr.com) |
| 20:37.47 | Kragnerac | Web Apps for OpenMoko. :) |
| 20:38.16 | balrog-kun | flexd: ask a more precise question |
| 20:38.45 | *** join/#openmoko j_ack (n=j_ack@p508D8E7E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:38.51 | flexd | balrog-kun: well i was wondering if there was a easy way to use git to keep my code up to date after i've done changes |
| 20:38.57 | nelson | Android. |
| 20:39.09 | nelson | (just trying to stir up trouble.) |
| 20:39.13 | wibbit | hehe |
| 20:39.17 | emdete | mmontour: i have a strange effect with it and don't know what to do. it stopps with message "Stack size 8864 bytes (9 KB)" |
| 20:39.25 | flexd | (which would seem natural), i code alot at work and at home on my project, and bringing a mem stick back and forth kinda sucks |
| 20:39.48 | nelson | emdete: Android doesn't have that problem. |
| 20:40.10 | nelson | emdete: Android does have any bugs. You see, by eliminating all code, they have eliminated all bugs at the same time. |
| 20:40.12 | balrog-kun | flexd: yeah, git (or any other repo) would be perfect for that |
| 20:40.15 | emdete | nelson: what the hell is android :D |
| 20:40.20 | enjahova | so who's gonna port simcity to openmoko? |
| 20:40.30 | flexd | but how do i setup a repo on my linux box at home? |
| 20:40.32 | nelson | emdete: I'm not sure I dare say. It could get ugly. |
| 20:40.38 | Kragnerac | enjahova: Hmm.... Not a bad idea... |
| 20:40.45 | enjahova | Kragnerac, its OSS now :) |
| 20:40.46 | flexd | and does it work getting that repo in windows too (fetching from my linux box) |
| 20:40.54 | Kragnerac | enjahova: :) |
| 20:41.26 | Kragnerac | Android? Wouldn't mention it here. Possible flamewave. |
| 20:41.52 | mwester | Don't mention gphone either. |
| 20:41.57 | Kragnerac | :P |
| 20:42.01 | wibbit | emdete: Did you want an answer to the question? |
| 20:42.05 | mwester | And per the topic, best not to ask about GTA02 either. |
| 20:42.26 | emdete | wibbit: about gllin? shure... |
| 20:42.38 | balrog-kun | flexd: just do cg-init, there are good git tutorials at git.or.cz iirc |
| 20:42.38 | Kragnerac | mwester: Or iPhone, or Windows Mobile, or PalmOS, or Symbian. :P |
| 20:42.40 | wibbit | emdete: nope, about android |
| 20:42.40 | mwester | But asking about the availability of the closed gllin driver is fair game ;) |
| 20:42.43 | balrog-kun | flexd: no idea about windows |
| 20:42.49 | emdete | wibbit: no, not interested |
| 20:42.58 | wibbit | emdete: okay, just checking |
| 20:43.25 | *** join/#openmoko cb22 (n=cb25@196.210.101.135) |
| 20:43.35 | emdete | wibbit: oh, depends, if it helps with gps... |
| 20:43.41 | wibbit | emdete: nope |
| 20:44.06 | wibbit | emdete: It's just the new "open platform" by google, aimed at mobile devices (phones), at least, that's my simplistic view of it |
| 20:44.11 | emdete | :( sad story is i had it running once. but now it's just complaining |
| 20:44.20 | Kragnerac | Did the consumer-ready version of the Neo1973 get delayed? |
| 20:44.50 | wibbit | Kragnerac: I don't think it ever had an official release deadline, so I don't think it would be fair to say it was delayed |
| 20:44.53 | emdete | wibbit: okay, if we are in it - do you know if they put it on the neo like the trolls did? |
| 20:45.14 | balrog-kun | Kragnerac: hard to answer, it gets delayed all the time, but i don't know when you last checked |
| 20:45.30 | pjz | wibbit: they had several deadlines, they missed them all, I think. |
| 20:45.38 | wibbit | emdete: I don't think it actually "exists" yet, much like the "iPhones" release, months before it could be bought |
| 20:45.52 | Kragnerac | Ah, the world of hardware and software. |
| 20:45.56 | *** part/#openmoko njan (i=james@freenode/staff/njan) |
| 20:45.56 | wibbit | pjz: internal deadlines, or official anounced deadlines? |
| 20:46.02 | pjz | wibbit: announced ones |
| 20:46.08 | wibbit | pjz: okie |
| 20:46.09 | mmontour | emdete: do you have the gllin binary? Is that what you were referring to with that 'stack size' message? |
| 20:46.21 | pjz | wibbit: they originally announced that GTA01 phones would go on sale in January |
| 20:46.29 | pjz | wibbit: it took... a little longer. |
| 20:46.33 | wibbit | That's the GTA01 |
| 20:46.44 | pjz | that's what I said. |
| 20:46.47 | emdete | mmontour: yes |
| 20:47.12 | pjz | GTA02 was originally announced for October, though they backed that off fairly quickly too. |
| 20:47.27 | balrog-kun | i think i even read 08.2006 as the GTA01 planned release in some early slides |
| 20:47.57 | mmontour | emdete: The ABI interface changed, so gllin won't work with the new library versions. You can run it in a chroot environment with old (2007.1) libs |
| 20:48.20 | pjz | balrog-kun: well, they first hit the media saying gta01 dev releases in 12.2006 and consumer availability in 01.2007 |
| 20:48.42 | pjz | balrog-kun: checkable by digging through the archives at linuxdevices.com if you care. |
| 20:48.51 | balrog-kun | pjz: oh okay, that might be what i read |
| 20:49.00 | emdete | mmontour: i did - with another trick but it loads the correct libs (as far as i see) |
| 20:49.27 | pjz | though at this point the Neo has almost achieved its purpose even if it doesn't get released |
| 20:50.06 | pjz | mwester: causing the existence of a phone with an open software stack |
| 20:50.14 | pjz | what with all the |
| 20:50.44 | pjz | 'handset alliances' and 'linux mobile' groups and etc, it's going to be a competitive disadvangte to be a closed system before long. |
| 20:50.55 | pjz | which is as it should be |
| 20:51.09 | mmontour | I don't have gllin myself, but the chroot approach should work. Have you tried 'strace' to see where it's having problems? |
| 20:51.20 | pjz | but it took, IMHO, FIC announcing that they were going to do it in order to help kickthe industry in the rear |
| 20:54.01 | *** join/#openmoko bluelightning (n=blueligh@122-57-165-144.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) |
| 20:54.18 | *** join/#openmoko rcostine (n=rjc@75.146.239.153) |
| 20:57.42 | emdete | mmontour: i use the ld- aproach... |
| 21:06.48 | *** join/#openmoko wolog (n=wolog@AOrleans-157-1-60-79.w90-20.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:08.25 | mmontour | emdete: If you can post a 'strace' output somewhere I can look at it. Otherwise I don't know what your problem would be - I tried the "ld" thing with another OABI binary and it seemed to work for me |
| 21:15.11 | emdete | mmontour: i just checked the chroot-trick which works (sry for the delay) |
| 21:15.27 | emdete | mmontour: maybe my ld- env has wrong libs... i will check |
| 21:15.47 | emdete | mmontour: i like the ld stuff better, looks much smaller |
| 21:16.36 | ScaredyCat | roflmao.... iphone sales going well - <UncleBob> queue was up to a startling 8 in Glasgow |
| 21:16.39 | *** join/#openmoko LetoTo (n=paul@193.110.157.17) |
| 21:17.58 | abraxa_ | ScaredyCat: Same in Germany, lol... |
| 21:18.41 | mwester | What's an <UncleBob> ? |
| 21:18.49 | ScaredyCat | different channel |
| 21:18.50 | *** join/#openmoko fgau (n=fgau@pD953A8B8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:18.56 | ScaredyCat | nick |
| 21:19.08 | mwester | ah. sorry :o |
| 21:19.53 | mwester | Perhaps rabid apple fan-dom is a north american phenomenon? |
| 21:21.31 | abraxa_ | Yeah. It's a totally different mentality. |
| 21:21.37 | abraxa_ | (fortunately) |
| 21:23.24 | *** join/#openmoko loufoque (n=loufoque@mathias.residence.ens-lyon.fr) |
| 21:24.02 | ScaredyCat | yeah - we tend to get free phones with contracts |
| 21:24.19 | *** join/#openmoko Q_Continuum (n=Q@c-71-63-180-237.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 21:25.01 | mmontour | emdete: sizes should be similar - I have 7.5M for a "ld-wrapper" tree, and 8.7M for a "chroot" tree |
| 21:25.43 | emdete | mmontour: okay, found my problem: the message means the pipe is full... |
| 21:25.49 | hrw | 7.9M chroot for gllin here |
| 21:25.54 | hrw | need to clean it a bit |
| 21:27.19 | emdete | hrw: i stripped it to 4.4 |
| 21:27.34 | hrw | and gllin still works? |
| 21:28.03 | hrw | emdete: ls -R|mail openmoko@haerwu.biz :) |
| 21:28.07 | hrw | bye |
| 21:28.09 | flexd | heh, someone linked me this http://vimeo.com/373021/ (nevermind the video), the comment by the guy named "David Marcus" made me chuckle :< |
| 21:28.16 | flexd | Fact, if Patrick had an Iphone, finding this girl would not be a problem, as we all know, people with IPhones are capable of conquering even the greatest of feats |
| 21:28.57 | flexd | I wonder if i get a Iphone i'l instantly get a cool job and a girlfrined |
| 21:28.59 | flexd | friend |
| 21:29.09 | *** join/#openmoko jannu (n=jannu@hoas-fe3cdd00-15.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 21:29.20 | flexd | or.. I'l just have a tiny mac that cant do anything special :/ |
| 21:29.38 | pjz | and you'll need a cool job (or at least a well paying one) to afford the contract |
| 21:29.40 | ScaredyCat | no, you're forced to wear tuttle necked jumpers |
| 21:29.42 | mwester | I know that if I got an iPhone I would instantly lose my personal identify, and become one of millions of sheep, to be herded about by Jobs. |
| 21:29.54 | mwester | s/identify/identity/ |
| 21:29.56 | flexd | mwester: ^_^ |
| 21:30.10 | flexd | meh i wish someone would educate and hire me already |
| 21:30.28 | mwester | I skipped the education, and just convinced someone to hire me. |
| 21:30.29 | flexd | I've got about 1 year left of this apprentice bullshit, im fucking sick of being tech support already :> |
| 21:30.35 | mwester | Quicker, and cheaper. |
| 21:30.46 | mwester | Yah, tech support sucks. |
| 21:30.48 | flexd | mwester: best would be if someone would hire me into a position where i can program stuff |
| 21:31.10 | mwester | Ah, where one can *create* the problems, instead of solve them? :p :D |
| 21:31.22 | flexd | like, if i could get a job on some cool project to help out or something, even if i dont know much stuff yet i'd learn alot :p |
| 21:31.38 | flexd | mwester: I am a master of creating problems |
| 21:32.01 | flexd | but i also make things work eventually :< |
| 21:32.35 | *** join/#openmoko jannu (n=jannu@hoas-fe3cdd00-15.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 21:32.55 | flexd | I spend much time cleaning up my code |
| 21:33.03 | flexd | like a month ago i knew absolutely no python |
| 21:33.29 | flexd | so like |
| 21:33.37 | flexd | 20day old code = messy shit :> |
| 21:40.32 | *** join/#openmoko ebel (n=rory@213-202-154-219.bas503.dsl.esat.net) |
| 21:40.52 | *** join/#openmoko LetoTo (n=paul@193.110.157.17) |
| 21:45.55 | Ghiottone | does the openmoko kernel do stack or memory randomization? |
| 21:48.35 | *** join/#openmoko |R (i=bob@modemcable241.28-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 21:49.04 | balrog-kun | Ghiottone: by default nope, just as every other linux kernel |
| 21:50.02 | *** join/#openmoko a_thing (n=notroot@c-98-193-50-46.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 21:50.34 | *** join/#openmoko summatusmentis (n=summatus@umm-yrless170.morris.umn.edu) |
| 21:50.42 | nelson | flexd: it depends on whether you've been good or bad before you got your iPhone. |
| 21:50.47 | nelson | If you were good, you get a girlfriend. |
| 21:51.02 | nelson | If you were bad, you get a girlfiend. |
| 21:51.16 | nelson | And if you were dyslexic, you get a grilfiend. |
| 21:51.55 | mjr | wait, why'd a good person get an iPhone? |
| 21:52.36 | Kragnerac | Windoze mobile phone :P |
| 21:54.12 | flexd | Someone buy me a iphone |
| 21:54.20 | flexd | and il smash it |
| 21:54.20 | flexd | :D |
| 21:54.47 | XorA|gone | bleh, why cant I find a phone upgrade for me |
| 21:56.45 | mmontour | flexd: smashing still isn't as good as http://www.willitblend.com/videos.aspx?type=unsafe&video=iphone :) |
| 21:57.31 | flexd | blending infront of a loong queue with people waiting to buy one |
| 21:57.34 | flexd | now that would rock |
| 21:57.53 | *** join/#openmoko cb22 (n=cb25@196.210.101.135) |
| 21:58.09 | XorA|gone | mwester: NOOOO NOT MY PHONES!!!!! |
| 21:58.27 | mwester | mmontour: From reading the community mailing list, I bet there are some folks who would like to do that with their GTA01's ;) |
| 21:58.35 | emdete | mwester: sounds good... i wonder why gsmd is still terminating. |
| 21:59.22 | mwester | emdete: because we (community) failed on that. Of all the openmoko code, gsmd is the one that should have been forked and rewritten a long time ago. |
| 21:59.56 | mwester | I just wish I had the GSM knowlege to do it myself :( |
| 22:00.35 | XorA|gone | mwester: when dealing with GSM knowledge isnt as much help as basically just trying it |
| 22:03.38 | mmontour | mwester: I considered doing some work on gsmd, but instead I chose to try to figure out the Hammerhead protocol. Wrong choice, probably... |
| 22:04.18 | mwester | That's debatable. Currently we have a gsmd that sort of works, but we have no gps driver at all. :( |
| 22:07.00 | balrog-kun | emdete: have you tried the gsmd tree at http://folks.o-hand.com/andrew/gsmd.git ? |
| 22:07.46 | XorA|gone | I thought you guys were making good progress on the protocol but then it sort of dried up |
| 22:08.02 | SpeedEvil | Because the promise of future fame dried up. |
| 22:08.37 | SpeedEvil | If there were going to be many thousands of GTA02 with HH - it was worth probably continuing on the project |
| 22:09.12 | SpeedEvil | with maybe 1-200 people at most interested in using it only on the GTA01, and probably several hundred hours more work... |
| 22:09.35 | SpeedEvil | Well - no. |
| 22:09.39 | SpeedEvil | Gaping huge details. |
| 22:09.51 | SpeedEvil | At the moment - assuming it's the notes I'm thinkin of. |
| 22:10.13 | SpeedEvil | We can in principle get 1000Km positions within 5m |
| 22:10.19 | SpeedEvil | We can in principle get 1000Km positions within 15min. |
| 22:10.35 | SpeedEvil | We have no clue as to how the navigation bits are recieved |
| 22:11.29 | SpeedEvil | Which is a really big issue. |
| 22:15.22 | mmontour | My problem is that the Hammerhead doesn't respond the way it "should" based on the traces I've seen |
| 22:15.58 | mmontour | In one mode it works fine, I can measure the satellite signals. But when I set 1 bit in register 0x03 I always lose the signal. |
| 22:16.45 | SpeedEvil | have you been comparing with straces of the gll binary? |
| 22:18.36 | balrog-kun | sorry, was one phone |
| 22:18.36 | mmontour | I've looked at various traces, including those from http://linuxtogo.org/~ph5/tmp/gllin/ |
| 22:18.42 | balrog-kun | (daily mom yelling) |
| 22:18.59 | balrog-kun | mmontour: that's the same traces i looked at |
| 22:20.12 | mmontour | The measurements where register 0x03 is 0x40000720 or similar work fine, but not where the high bit's set (0xc05c1702, etc). |
| 22:20.57 | pH5 | mmontour: do you immediately lose signal or does it drift away? |
| 22:21.34 | XorA|gone | some reverse engineering guru just needs to "look" inside gllin binary :-) |
| 22:22.13 | mmontour | When I set the trigger (0x00006040 to register 08) there's a delay of > 1 second and then I get results packets at the "noise" level. |
| 22:22.24 | Ghiottone | mickeyl, thanks for committing ipkgorphan :) |
| 22:23.07 | mmontour | (where "level" is the value in the upper bits of register 0x11 in the response packet) |
| 22:23.36 | *** join/#openmoko BlueMaex (n=bluemaex@81.169.224.93) |
| 22:27.16 | xzcvczx | abraxa_: you around still??? |
| 22:27.18 | *** join/#openmoko goxboxlive (n=goxboxli@81.80-202-132.nextgentel.com) |
| 22:27.20 | josch | hiff --connect xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx Can't get device information: host is down |
| 22:27.33 | josch | whats wrong with my keyboard? |
| 22:27.51 | josch | ack... hidd --connect of corse |
| 22:28.03 | xzcvczx | out of battery/? |
| 22:28.19 | josch | just switched on |
| 22:28.19 | nelson | have you already paired it with the phone? |
| 22:28.26 | josch | led is blinking |
| 22:28.34 | nelson | hmmm.... that should do it, then. |
| 22:28.40 | nelson | Try hidd --scan instead |
| 22:28.58 | josch | did hcitool scan |
| 22:29.04 | abraxa_ | xzcvczx: Yup |
| 22:30.19 | josch | hcitool scan is detecting my laptop and my keyboard |
| 22:30.29 | josch | but will not connect with this strange error |
| 22:31.53 | xzcvczx | abraxa_: did you see that tupor was getting ilegal instruction trying to use your wrapper |
| 22:33.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1003 has been created by mwester(AT)dls.net |
| 22:33.01 | cdbot2 | * * GSM modem is not powered down when Linux is shut down |
| 22:33.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1003 |
| 22:33.54 | abraxa_ | xzcvczx: #1 - it's Shoragan's ;) #2 yeah but he's too busy to debug it atm, so... |
| 22:34.52 | *** join/#openmoko rob_w (n=bob@M9dc5.m.pppool.de) |
| 22:35.07 | xzcvczx | abraxa_: well since you are distributing it then under consumer laws we have full right to come after you over it if the manufacturer is stonewalling us :P |
| 22:35.30 | abraxa_ | xzcvczx: That won't happen - it doesn't contain the gllin binary |
| 22:35.59 | xzcvczx | no i am not talking about distributing unlicensend programs i am talking about non working stuff |
| 22:37.34 | xzcvczx | but meh |
| 22:38.29 | abraxa_ | lol |
| 22:38.39 | *** join/#openmoko Zoolooc (n=fredsiba@p54952C06.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:38.46 | abraxa_ | The libs work just fine for me |
| 22:38.59 | xzcvczx | ~seen roh |
| 22:39.02 | apt | roh is currently on #oe (1d 18h 26m 49s) #openmoko (1d 18h 26m 49s). Has said a total of 14 messages. Is idling for 3h 23m 30s, last said: '(and lads is we really have ones)'. |
| 22:39.15 | xzcvczx | abraxa_: so you can just run start_dump and it all works fine? |
| 22:39.25 | roh | ? |
| 22:39.30 | abraxa_ | Yup |
| 22:39.31 | mwester | There he is. |
| 22:39.41 | xzcvczx | roh: ah finally, dang timezones |
| 22:40.33 | roh | well.. timezones and beeing a geek with unfixable messed up sleeping patterns (if you can call that still a pattern) |
| 22:40.42 | roh | -e |
| 22:40.49 | mwester | mickeyl: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1003 |
| 22:41.27 | xzcvczx | roh: my the touch part of my screen has stopped working properly, have done the cat device test nothing coming up unless i touch the screen, have messed round with xtscal,ts_test,ts_cal, and they all dont work too well ts_test shows big areas i cant get to and radical movements when i move the pen to some places of the screen. any ideas? |
| 22:41.29 | josch | mwester, this brings me a little closer to understand the workings of gsmd :-) |
| 22:42.35 | xzcvczx | roh: have tried reseating the display connected (about 20 times as the other 19 times the display stopped working as well) |
| 22:42.36 | roh | xzcvczx hmm.. not really.. have you tried carefully reseating the fpc going to the screen? |
| 22:42.39 | roh | ah.. ok |
| 22:42.49 | *** join/#openmoko cb23 (i=cb25@196.210.102.235) |
| 22:42.55 | mwester | It's a frightening world down there, what with the normal linux serial port stuff and the GTA01 mux, plus the odd wiring of the GSM modem itself. But it can all be made to work. |
| 22:43.05 | roh | weird. but the fpc is still in one piece and not damaged, right? |
| 22:43.09 | *** join/#openmoko lysanderslair_ (n=jeff@CPE0014bf4ad3e5-CM000a7363f3b6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 22:43.09 | xzcvczx | correct |
| 22:43.29 | roh | mwester wel.. thats why gta02 has a serial more and no stupid dual-use-console anymore |
| 22:43.32 | xzcvczx | roh: its the one the comes from one side of the board to the othe? |
| 22:43.38 | xzcvczx | s/othe/other |
| 22:43.54 | *** join/#openmoko BlueMaex (n=bluemaex@81.169.224.93) |
| 22:43.57 | roh | japp. it is propably with a shielding tape aboxe it |
| 22:44.07 | xzcvczx | roh: yup thats the one |
| 22:44.31 | roh | s/aboxe/above/g *sigh* umts lag is killing me |
| 22:44.42 | josch | is there the possibility that my bluetooth keyboard needs a special proprietary driver and will not run under linux? |
| 22:44.43 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 22:44.49 | SpeedEvil | josch: no |
| 22:44.50 | josch | same results on my ubuntu pc |
| 22:44.58 | SpeedEvil | josch: bluetooth is completely stock linu |
| 22:45.08 | SpeedEvil | josch: it works same way as it does on any linux PC |
| 22:45.20 | roh | josch there are some bt keyboards that are not adhering any standart ive heard |
| 22:45.21 | josch | i get the same error on ubuntu |
| 22:45.39 | roh | some are even not hid but something ugly like a serial only or even worse |
| 22:45.41 | josch | "Can't open input device: No such file or directory (2)" |
| 22:45.53 | josch | f***... |
| 22:46.01 | SpeedEvil | xzcvczx: any big scratches on the touchscreen? |
| 22:46.07 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: nope |
| 22:46.21 | xzcvczx | no scratches at all that i can see |
| 22:46.37 | josch | what can I do now to check what the issue is? |
| 22:47.23 | SpeedEvil | josch: I misread that 'no' was that the GTA01 does not do anything special with bluetooth - it's of course possible that it doesn't work with linux, sorry |
| 22:47.52 | josch | gnaaa.... :-/ |
| 22:48.03 | xzcvczx | roh: oh well i have to go now if you think of anything can you just pm it to me cos this will stay online, thanks |
| 22:48.32 | roh | xzcvczx hm.. currently i have no idea besides broken hw... where are you located? |
| 22:49.34 | SpeedEvil | xzcvczx: I assume you've tried turning it off and turning it on again? |
| 22:49.53 | xzcvczx | nz |
| 22:50.09 | *** join/#openmoko lysanderslair (n=jeff@CPE0014bf4ad3e5-CM000a7363f3b6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 22:52.16 | xzcvczx | out |
| 22:56.20 | *** join/#openmoko CVirus (n=GoD@196.205.192.246) |
| 22:56.55 | josch | everything I have to do to connect my bluetooth keyboard is "hcitool scan" and "hidd --connect xx:..." or is there anything else? |
| 22:58.14 | *** join/#openmoko Fradeve87 (n=fradeve@87.18.196.123) |
| 23:00.43 | nelson | josch: that should do it. |
| 23:01.40 | josch | seems I have to sell it... :-/ |
| 23:01.41 | *** join/#openmoko Q_Continuum (n=Q@c-71-63-180-237.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 23:05.22 | *** join/#openmoko CM_ (i=cm@shaka.acc.umu.se) |
| 23:14.48 | *** join/#openmoko mzb_d800 (n=mzb@ppp108-88.static.internode.on.net) |
| 23:21.36 | *** part/#openmoko Tob2 (n=tobi@p5B0058CA.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:28.18 | *** join/#openmoko ferric (n=aditya@dsl081-134-176.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 23:38.41 | zash | oh |
| 23:38.43 | zash | nice |
| 23:39.15 | PITABoy | sup all |
| 23:39.21 | zash | we have massive ammounts of "chips och dip" here |
| 23:39.36 | PITABoy | what is chips och dip? |
| 23:40.31 | zash | potatoe-chips |
| 23:41.06 | PITABoy | oh |
| 23:42.10 | CM | I sneaked into an Ericsson party |
| 23:42.16 | CM | And they all tried to hire me.. :P |
| 23:42.20 | zash | oh |
| 23:42.25 | PITABoy | cool |
| 23:43.51 | abraxa_ | CM: lol... nice. What's your profession? |
| 23:43.57 | CM | Consultant |
| 23:44.16 | CM | I'm already changing job to Stockholm, so I wasn't interested |
| 23:44.31 | CM | (Programming that is) |
| 23:45.17 | PITABoy | isnt stockholm a town country whatever in europe? |
| 23:45.58 | *** join/#openmoko Psi (n=benw@60-234-134-179.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) |
| 23:46.14 | flexd | sweden? |
| 23:46.59 | zipola | It's the capital of Sweden. |
| 23:46.59 | harzi | stockholm is almost only ericsson |
| 23:47.19 | harzi | but swedish people buy nokia |
| 23:47.52 | zash | orly |
| 23:48.17 | CM | Yes, .se :) |
| 23:50.55 | *** join/#openmoko a_thing (n=notroot@c-98-193-50-46.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 23:54.03 | *** join/#openmoko summatusmentis (n=summatus@umm-yrless170.morris.umn.edu) |
| 23:54.03 | josch | PITABoy, isnt los angeles a town country whatever in america? :-D |
| 23:54.12 | PITABoy | yes |
| 23:54.16 | *** join/#openmoko a_thing (n=notroot@c-98-193-50-46.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 23:54.39 | PITABoy | i just suck at geography |
| 23:54.45 | PITABoy | i was making sure |
| 23:54.57 | CM | Hehe |