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| 00:23.10 | xzcvczx | sweet |
| 00:23.27 | SpeedEvil | Woot. |
| 00:23.38 | xzcvczx | ooo yeah |
| 00:23.39 | Stephmw | Yay |
| 00:23.46 | SpeedEvil | $us.9? |
| 00:23.50 | xzcvczx | .77 |
| 00:23.53 | xzcvczx | ish |
| 00:24.01 | SpeedEvil | Nice. |
| 00:24.14 | SpeedEvil | What is it? |
| 00:24.19 | xzcvczx | a jumpsuit |
| 00:24.23 | SpeedEvil | ah. |
| 00:25.35 | jali | is there a flap in the back for poop time? |
| 00:25.49 | Stephmw | no need |
| 00:25.57 | Stephmw | just fill the suit up to the neck |
| 00:26.01 | jali | ew |
| 00:26.18 | jali | lol |
| 00:27.03 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 00:27.41 | xzcvczx | you only need be it for 20mins at a time so you dont need to poop in it |
| 00:28.01 | jali | a lot can happen in 20 minutes |
| 00:28.17 | jali | i lost my virginity in less |
| 00:28.19 | jali | ... |
| 00:28.21 | jali | nevermind |
| 00:28.28 | xzcvczx | lol i heard it was 20 seconds for you to lose that |
| 00:28.32 | xzcvczx | and thats all it lasted |
| 00:28.34 | xzcvczx | :P |
| 00:28.36 | jali | ah, damn! |
| 00:28.42 | Mek | while wearing a jumpsuit? |
| 00:28.45 | jali | you bet |
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| 00:29.12 | Stephmw | you both fit in there? |
| 00:29.14 | jali | all my intercourse takes place while wearing a jumpsuit. |
| 00:29.18 | Stephmw | supersize suit? |
| 00:29.21 | jali | Stephmw: We each had our own. |
| 00:29.33 | Stephmw | jali: kinda hard without valves, no? |
| 00:29.43 | jali | You underestimate my power. |
| 00:29.45 | jali | :) |
| 00:30.01 | xzcvczx | i wouldnt mind having sex while going at 200km/hr though |
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| 00:30.19 | xzcvczx | would probably be a bit awkward though |
| 00:30.21 | Stephmw | xzcvczx: that'd be a brief experience |
| 00:30.23 | jali | xzcvczx: mile high club |
| 00:30.46 | xzcvczx | Stephmw: you would get about 50seconds from 13000 ft |
| 00:30.57 | Stephmw | xzcvczx: see? |
| 00:31.11 | xzcvczx | Stephmw: see? |
| 00:31.12 | Stephmw | xzcvczx: should do a tandem jump instead |
| 00:31.23 | xzcvczx | Stephmw: why a tandem |
| 00:31.26 | Stephmw | xzcvczx: couple of thermals'd keep you going for 5-10mins |
| 00:31.49 | xzcvczx | Stephmw: lol i want to do it under freefall not under chute |
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| 00:32.07 | Stephmw | xzcvczx: hmmm, yeah, what about in orbit then? |
| 00:32.16 | Stephmw | xzcvczx: or do you need the rush? |
| 00:32.21 | xzcvczx | Stephmw: cant breath up there |
| 00:32.39 | Stephmw | xzcvczx: hey, people do it underwater, hold your breath |
| 00:32.58 | Stephmw | you're just inventing obstacles :D |
| 00:35.53 | jali | lol |
| 00:36.32 | xzcvczx | nothing wrong with inventing obstacles |
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| 02:56.41 | xzcvczx | very quiet channel today :S |
| 02:57.31 | jali | nah your volume is just turned down |
| 02:57.50 | jali | Remember, #OpenMoko goes to eleven! |
| 02:58.56 | xzcvczx | lol |
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| 02:59.17 | jali | ;) |
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| 03:24.35 | xzcvczx | nnpiggy: hey you around? |
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| 06:39.57 | CM | Morn :) |
| 06:48.35 | mbuf | CM, mornin |
| 06:48.46 | jeddy3 | morning |
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| 06:56.16 | raddy | Hello Everybody |
| 06:56.45 | raddy | Why very few snapshots are currently there in Buildhost? |
| 06:57.08 | raddy | Those too are little old, dating backing to September |
| 06:57.11 | CM | There's been a lot of trouble with the buildhost |
| 06:57.19 | CM | Also, are you looking in the correct dir? |
| 06:57.48 | CM | raddy: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/ |
| 06:57.51 | raddy | CM: yup, http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/ |
| 06:58.23 | CM | fic-gta01 was renamed to neo1973 because the images for GTA01 and GTA02 will be the same :) |
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| 06:59.06 | CM | raddy: If you want a fairly new image with reported gsmd working, try mwester's files from http://moko.mwester.net/ |
| 06:59.09 | raddy | CM: ohh, why there is no scandycat snapshots? |
| 06:59.27 | raddy | CM : Ohh cool |
| 06:59.39 | CM | raddy: There is, latest update is from november 1:st: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ |
| 07:00.24 | raddy | CM: what is this automated.it url? |
| 07:00.38 | CM | raddy: It's ScaredyCat's server :) |
| 07:01.08 | CM | There are scaredycat images there, with scummvm and some other additions |
| 07:02.23 | raddy | CM: i read in this url http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing#Snapshot_20070916_rootfs_with_20070916_kernel_fic-gta01_2.6.22.5-moko11.2Bsvnr2937-r0 |
| 07:03.01 | raddy | CM : that this too is stable http://celtune.morb-design.com/images/fic-gta01/OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20071104-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 07:03.30 | CM | raddy: Give that a try too then :) |
| 07:04.03 | raddy | CM : but he had some other issues, i'll first give a shot in the link that you gave |
| 07:04.17 | CM | :) |
| 07:05.10 | raddy | CM: I am from India, so shall i download Scandycat's images as it contains timezones for my country, |
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| 07:06.14 | CM | raddy: I think pavelm said that the nov-01 image from there didn't make calls, but mwesters did |
| 07:06.23 | CM | I haven't tried it myself though |
| 07:09.22 | raddy | CM: Do you mean Scandycat's Nov 01 images didn't receive consistent results? |
| 07:09.54 | CM | I only know one person who's tried it, and calling didn't work for him |
| 07:12.10 | raddy | CM: did you get consistent results in images hosted in http://moko.mwester.net/ ? |
| 07:12.19 | CM | yes |
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| 07:12.50 | raddy | CM : then i'll go for mwester's image |
| 07:13.16 | CM | I assume you have low bandwidth or so and don't want to download all of them? |
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| 07:15.04 | raddy | CM: downloading is one problem, installing it is another problem :) only one system is capable of installing firmware in Openmoko, that is in my office, |
| 07:15.21 | CM | raddy: Ah, I see. :) |
| 07:19.25 | ewon | um |
| 07:20.28 | raddy | CM: currently downloading, thank you for your help :) |
| 07:20.40 | CM | raddy: Just hope it works for you too :) |
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| 07:56.50 | blindcoder | moin |
| 07:56.58 | zash | boing |
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| 08:48.03 | jeddy3 | mplayer in qvga actually works quite nice |
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| 08:56.20 | _diego__ | i've tried some .mp3 on neo... and i got about 50% of cpu usage... quite high IMHO |
| 08:56.29 | _diego__ | (using mediaplayer) |
| 08:56.33 | CM | jeddy3: Ah, cool :) |
| 08:59.51 | zash | Separation of concerns ftw |
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| 09:00.11 | guaqua | i'm all for it |
| 09:00.19 | guaqua | less devices to carry |
| 09:00.53 | guaqua | and it doesn't really add that much more to care about in a phone, the media player |
| 09:00.55 | CM | I just wish to have longer batterylife on all my gadgets.. |
| 09:01.00 | _diego__ | zash, and what about a phone-as-pda? ;) |
| 09:02.21 | zash | that would be nicer |
| 09:02.49 | CM | I listen more to mp3's on my phone than talk |
| 09:03.52 | zash | I have a shuffle and a nokia 3310.. |
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| 09:06.52 | ixs | anyone ever seen "qemu-arm: error while loading shared libraries: cannot restore segment prot after reloc: Permission denied" while generating locales? |
| 09:08.03 | CM | I think I got that some time a few months ago |
| 09:08.17 | CM | I disabled locales instead, so I haven't seen it for a while |
| 09:09.28 | CM | ixs: ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" if you don't need the locales |
| 09:10.09 | ixs | CM: yeah, I know that this works around the issue, but shouldn't we fix this in the first place? |
| 09:10.19 | CM | Of course :) |
| 09:10.42 | CM | If there's no bug about it, file one |
| 09:10.52 | ixs | yeah... |
| 09:11.18 | CM | But maybe try rebuilding some dependencies first, and make sure you have the latest updated oe/om sources |
| 09:12.24 | ixs | hmm |
| 09:12.27 | ixs | nah, problem is different: |
| 09:12.28 | ixs | avc: denied { execmod } for comm=qemu-arm dev=dm-0 name=qemu-arm pid=8857 |
| 09:12.28 | ixs | scontext=root:system_r:unconfined_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 tclass=file |
| 09:12.29 | ixs | tcontext=root:object_r:user_home_t:s0 |
| 09:12.31 | ixs | :/ |
| 09:12.36 | ixs | my own fault. :D |
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| 09:14.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 990 has been created by rishi_date(AT)yahoo.com |
| 09:14.02 | cdbot2 | * * Missing libxod.tar.gz while building openmoko from scratch |
| 09:14.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=990 |
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| 09:26.45 | mbuf | is it ok to export PKG_CONFIG_PATH in Makefile.am, or should it be set somewhere else? |
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| 09:28.11 | hrw | mbuf: do NOT play with it at all |
| 09:29.14 | mbuf | hrw, for OM application development, i want to set it |
| 09:29.33 | hrw | mbuf: project should not play with toolchain settings, include dir settings (other then inside of project), libraries dirs should not be forced too |
| 09:29.57 | hrw | mbuf: and when someone will build it from outside of your builddir it will breaks? |
| 09:30.21 | mbuf | hrw, it is a plugin for an IDE for OM development? i ask them for OM build directory location |
| 09:30.47 | mbuf | hrw, during project creation |
| 09:31.14 | hrw | why not set PKG_CONFIG_PATH in build environment? |
| 09:31.31 | hrw | you will use external toolchain not OE itself - right? |
| 09:31.50 | mbuf | hrw, in setup-env? no, using toolchain built with OM |
| 09:32.46 | hrw | ok |
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| 09:49.38 | hrw | or anjuta |
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| 09:57.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 991 has been created by mickey(AT)vanille-media.de |
| 09:57.02 | cdbot2 | * * PMU driver doesn't populate initial input device status |
| 09:57.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=991 |
| 09:57.35 | mbuf | hrw, i am attempting for Anjuta; |
| 09:57.58 | mbuf | hrw, standalone Makefile works,; autotools builds fine (just sorting out CC, PKG_CONFIG) |
| 09:58.18 | mbuf | hrw, *autotools method |
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| 10:09.24 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03mickey * r3357 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/ (Makefile.am buttonactions.c): |
| 10:09.24 | CIA-13 | openmoko: neod: add workaround for gathering the initial KEY_BATTERY status |
| 10:09.24 | CIA-13 | openmoko: until OM bug #991 has been fixed |
| 10:13.33 | hrw | mbuf: is there a way to look at your changes? |
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| 10:14.55 | mbuf | hrw, sure |
| 10:15.32 | hrw | cool - url? |
| 10:15.43 | mbuf | hrw, i can upload the source, hold on; have actually customized anjuta-2.2.2/plugins/project-wizard/templates/ |
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| 10:19.25 | hrw | cool |
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| 10:23.29 | mbuf | hrw, http://pastebin.ca/762077 - this will generate a standalone Makefile with main.c |
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| 10:25.20 | mbuf | hrw, i haven't yet made a plugin; right now it needs to built with the Anjuta sources |
| 10:26.12 | CM | mbuf: Nice :) |
| 10:26.20 | hrw | intersting |
| 10:26.24 | CM | I've never used anjuta yet though |
| 10:26.39 | hrw | I forwarded to a friend which wanted to try such combo one day |
| 10:27.17 | mbuf | CM, i hardly use IDEs; just trying to do it for others to use it; |
| 10:27.36 | zash | vim ftw :D |
| 10:28.57 | mbuf | hrw, there are lot of API changes in Anjuta 2.2.2, so its important to use it; i'll try to get it approved from the Anjuta core team, and so it can be integrated into their trunk |
| 10:30.55 | CM | mbuf: As long as it's not xemacs that's ok.. ;) |
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| 10:32.40 | mbuf | CM, hehe |
| 10:34.46 | mbuf | are we allowed to reuse OpenMoko logos as icons for OM applications? or do we need to get permission from the team? |
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| 10:55.14 | mickey|tv | mbuf: the whole artwork is licensed under creative commons |
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| 11:04.24 | mbuf | mickey|tv, thanks! |
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| 11:46.35 | flexd | hmmm |
| 11:46.56 | flexd | What are the chances a version of neo1973 will get wifi *and* a camera? |
| 11:47.01 | flexd | in any future release |
| 11:47.17 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03mickey * r3358 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: neod: use proper keycode this time |
| 11:47.23 | flexd | I got this idea for a thing, which sort of requires both things, but could be kinda cool if i get it working ;o |
| 11:47.54 | CM | flexd: It won't be a neo if it has that, but maybe some future device. :) |
| 11:48.14 | flexd | CM: what do you mean? ^^ |
| 11:48.25 | zash | flexd: how about neo gta02 + bt-cam built into the back-housing |
| 11:48.39 | CM | I hope the Neo1973 will sell enough for FIC/OpenMoko to make some more cool hardware versions |
| 11:48.51 | flexd | zash: aslong as the camera is somewhat attached to the phone it's cool |
| 11:49.03 | flexd | in theory i dont really require the phone at all to do it, but it would be kinda cool |
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| 11:50.22 | flexd | Might be a bit silly idea, but i was thinking of a "where-am-i-now" feature for my ircbot/a website, where you could have a program that sends your gps coords (if you want to) / a picture or something and you can write a title. |
| 11:50.31 | Ghiottone|work | hello |
| 11:50.45 | flexd | Just something that came to me during a trip to the mall, might be cool for roadtrips and such, traveling :) |
| 11:50.49 | flexd | Ghiottone|work: hi |
| 11:51.15 | CM | flexd: Maybe make use of picasa with google maps or something similar :) |
| 11:51.31 | flexd | CM: yeah exactly my thoughts |
| 11:51.32 | zash | flexd: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Camera |
| 11:52.01 | flexd | zash: nice |
| 11:52.07 | flexd | and brb, work calls :( |
| 11:57.08 | ScaredyCat | flexd: http://www.automated.it/gm/wop.php |
| 11:58.00 | ScaredyCat | flexd: http://www.automated.it/gm/wot.php even |
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| 12:01.49 | flexd | ScaredyCat: what's that? |
| 12:02.41 | flexd | oh, something like i was talking about |
| 12:02.41 | ScaredyCat | that's an example of google maps, and plotting position... it wouldn;t take much to make it poll a db server |
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| 12:03.04 | flexd | hmmm |
| 12:03.05 | flexd | nice |
| 12:03.35 | flexd | Not totally sure how i'd do it though |
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| 12:04.18 | flexd | Kinda depends on having wifi zones open and all around (or making the phone into some wifi cracking badass mofo, which i highly doubt is possible on-the-go :p), or using gprs or something, but then it will also cost money :/ |
| 12:04.38 | gi-el | flexd: depends on your data plan |
| 12:05.03 | ScaredyCat | well, tbh, you can limit how the data is sent. |
| 12:05.08 | flexd | gi-el: it's pretty much non-existant atm, i thought of this idea yesterday |
| 12:05.12 | flexd | and i done have ap hone either so ^^ |
| 12:05.14 | flexd | a phone* |
| 12:05.41 | ScaredyCat | the the tomtom go app I worte, I used 30 seconds on 150m difference in position, whichever came first. |
| 12:05.47 | flexd | but i can make it do wifi if there's a open zone available, if not do other things |
| 12:05.51 | ScaredyCat | plus the amount of data to send is tiny |
| 12:05.58 | flexd | and/or |
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| 12:06.07 | gi-el | so, let's see this new angstrom image |
| 12:06.16 | flexd | I could make it connect to wifi zones based on gps location, if i configure several zones all around |
| 12:07.26 | gi-el | or just use wpa_supplicant which will find a configured AP automatically |
| 12:07.44 | ScaredyCat | join somehting like fon |
| 12:08.38 | gi-el | why does gsmd still not work with my phone, while other people are using it successfully? |
| 12:08.43 | gi-el | i'll have to look into this |
| 12:09.34 | flexd | gi-el: I just found out about the phone, i have little to no clue about what i can expect and stuff, i've been reading the wiki all day but i'm sure there's still tons of stuff i havent discovered or thought of yet |
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| 12:10.26 | gi-el | dammit |
| 12:10.40 | gi-el | "The biggest news is that dialing "Just Works(TM)" now, turn on the phone, open the dialer and you can make calls." |
| 12:10.44 | gi-el | well, no fucking way |
| 12:10.44 | gi-el | :( |
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| 12:11.13 | ScaredyCat | when was that posted? |
| 12:11.45 | flexd | more important; WHERE was that posted? |
| 12:12.01 | flexd | I'm gonna have a phone here (well two actually), the second the gta02 gets out i think |
| 12:12.42 | gi-el | http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/openmoko-progress |
| 12:13.28 | gi-el | but it's not true, gsmd still does the same for me, i.e., nothing when used by something besides libgsmd-tool |
| 12:13.47 | gi-el | i can use it with libgsmd-tool, but when the gui tries to send commands the modem never replies |
| 12:14.20 | mjr | for me, I need to init the modem with -tool, after that the gui works. Which is nice. |
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| 12:15.06 | gi-el | mjr: do you init the modem while gui is running, or do you start the gui afterwards? |
| 12:15.13 | mjr | while |
| 12:15.25 | gi-el | k, let's try that, that might be something i haven't tried yet |
| 12:15.56 | mjr | installed this a few days back |
| 12:16.12 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03mickey * r3359 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/ (2 files in 2 dirs): usb|battery panel plugin: take into account usb enumeration timings |
| 12:17.24 | gi-el | ** (openmoko-dialer:1844): WARNING **: Method "Dial" with signature "s" on interface "org.openmoko.Dialer" doesn't exist |
| 12:17.30 | gi-el | yes, works fine. |
| 12:17.31 | gi-el | not. |
| 12:17.34 | gi-el | :) |
| 12:18.54 | mickey|tv | thos has warned you to use 3306 |
| 12:18.56 | mickey|tv | of the dialer |
| 12:19.35 | Ghiottone|work | mickey|tv hi |
| 12:19.38 | mickey|tv | for until he's finished |
| 12:20.00 | gi-el | mickey|tv: i'm just bitching a bit, don't mind me too much |
| 12:20.25 | Ghiottone|work | mickey|tv just a quick reminder on ipkgorphan (http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2954). I fixed the recipe and added the Makefile. |
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| 12:22.08 | flexd | I know i could probably find this on the wiki. but, once the gta02 gets released, how long would it be until the next hardware version gets released/is that gonna be like the "end-user"-hardware part? So just software remains? |
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| 12:22.27 | _buz | flexd: nobody knows |
| 12:22.45 | mickey|tv | gta02 is the end-user hardware |
| 12:22.51 | _buz | i'd be surprised if gta03 would appear before fall08 for that matter |
| 12:23.01 | flexd | I'm not that much of a c/c++ coder (whatever i do is like super hacky/could be done in better ways), but i'd really like to try to contribute something with python coding (which im also quite new at), but my wallet sadly cant afford getting a gta02 and then a few months later havign to get a newer version >_> |
| 12:23.07 | mickey|tv | i would be surprised if gta03 appears in 2008 |
| 12:23.26 | _buz | flexd: there it is, gta02 will last for at least a year ;) |
| 12:23.34 | flexd | good |
| 12:23.43 | _buz | plus if you do code useful stuff, you might get a free upgrade, who knows |
| 12:23.45 | Ghiottone|work | bbl lunch time |
| 12:24.06 | flexd | I'l try my best, but i doubt my code will be very useful (or readable for that matter) |
| 12:24.42 | flexd | Mostly for my own fun and learning experience i guess, + i could use a new phone, this w810i is pissing me off |
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| 12:39.50 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03mickey * r3360 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/ (2 files in 2 dirs): |
| 12:39.50 | CIA-13 | openmoko: openmoko-panel-[usb|battery]: we're in the same process space, so need to deliver |
| 12:39.50 | CIA-13 | openmoko: DBUS_HANDLER_RESULT_NOT_YET_HANDLED after returning from the filter. Otherwise |
| 12:39.50 | CIA-13 | openmoko: only one of us will get called. |
| 12:39.56 | StylusEater | so my mokomakefile just finished building... |
| 12:40.05 | StylusEater | :-) |
| 12:46.00 | StylusEater | mokoBuild/build/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973 ... is that where I should expect my new images to be located? I assume so b/c that's all I can find along the lines of bin files with a similar name to the initial ones I downloaded from the wiki... |
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| 12:54.01 | StylusEater | bbl |
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| 13:17.58 | darx | hi folks |
| 13:18.14 | darx | when is the consumer version being released? |
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| 13:19.00 | darx | any body home? |
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| 13:19.54 | zash | darx: when its ready, it will be released |
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| 13:20.11 | darx | zash: hows the development going? |
| 13:20.52 | zash | anyways, read topic |
| 13:21.03 | CM | darx: It was slow during september, but a lot has happened the last month :) |
| 13:21.39 | wibbit | darx: Remember, there has also been a split between "Consumer Hardware" and "Consumer OS". I believe currently the hardware is scheduled for release late December, however the software may come after that |
| 13:22.16 | anders_ | What is the procedure for getting new packages into oe? |
| 13:22.18 | darx | cool |
| 13:22.45 | CM | anders_: I think posting to OE bugzilla is the way to go |
| 13:22.50 | XorA | anders_: put a patch against OE using mtn diff in bugzilla |
| 13:22.56 | XorA | anders_: bugs.openembedded.org |
| 13:23.36 | anders_ | Great thanks. Then I'll just have to fininh up my package and bitbakery :) |
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| 13:28.44 | flexd | arr, qemu makes me bleed |
| 13:29.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 992 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com |
| 13:29.01 | cdbot2 | * * cannot read the message data if the sender number is in phonebook. |
| 13:29.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=992 |
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| 13:31.29 | _buz | http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/07/11/05/139210.shtml |
| 13:31.54 | _buz | that is much more important than the iphone |
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| 13:40.34 | CM | _buz: Sure is. I wonder what java they use |
| 13:40.48 | _buz | i doubt its savaje |
| 13:40.54 | _buz | otherwise we'd read sun there |
| 13:41.01 | CM | yes |
| 13:41.25 | _buz | and google being the control freaks they are, they dont wanna share ;) |
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| 13:42.05 | _buz | somehow i expect the sdk not to be open source |
| 13:42.33 | CM | Wouldn't surprise me either. Open APIs though.. |
| 13:43.10 | _buz | more importantly: if theres linux on it, openmoko will be easily done |
| 13:43.31 | CM | Yes, the drivers for the kernel must be there |
| 13:43.43 | _buz | which just may turn out to be real problem for FIC |
| 13:44.59 | _buz | lets see, one of those tiny samsung win mobile treo clones would be neat |
| 13:47.06 | _buz | or a ming with wifi ;) |
| 13:47.12 | CM | Hehe |
| 13:47.48 | CM | _buz: I don't want to talk using this guy: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7066389.stm |
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| 13:48.13 | _buz | so that's why its called ming? or because ming is evil and powerful? |
| 13:48.54 | CM | Maybe Flash Gordon was trade marked |
| 13:49.24 | _buz | or maybe it was more of an emperor ming in china? |
| 13:49.30 | _buz | the ming is primarily sold in china AFAIK |
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| 13:50.05 | CM | Yes, I assume so too. Would be funnier if it was named after http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming_the_Merciless |
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| 14:35.43 | Ghiottone|work | back |
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| 14:40.02 | Ghiottone|work | what is everybody doing on the neo? |
| 14:41.48 | CM | Ghiottone|work: I'm moslty just looking at it.. :P |
| 14:41.59 | CM | *mostly |
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| 14:43.09 | ScaredyCat | moistly! |
| 14:43.14 | Ghiottone|work | http://xkcd.com/225/ |
| 14:43.21 | Ghiottone|work | CM: pity, why? |
| 14:43.51 | Ghiottone|work | there is a lot to do |
| 14:44.23 | CM | Ghiottone|work: I know, but "RealLife" keeps stealing time :-/ |
| 14:44.53 | jeddy3 | ScaredyCat, xD |
| 14:45.12 | LittleIdiot | i still wonder why people are so keen about writing and porting python foo when essentials like the dialer aren't even working correctly... |
| 14:45.44 | emdete | LittleIdiot: even more: the gsmd would be the first thing to start with... |
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| 14:46.27 | jeddy3 | maybe not all people is interested/involved or have knowledge in libgsmd |
| 14:47.09 | LittleIdiot | or maybe they think harald would be pissed if somebody makes suggestions ;) |
| 14:47.46 | LittleIdiot | well, when i'm done with my app, i'll have a look at that |
| 14:48.36 | CM | I think mwester have been poking around quite a lot with the gsmd issues |
| 14:48.38 | jeddy3 | LittleIdiot, why are you so keen on writing app foo when essentials like the dialer aren't even working correctly...? ;) |
| 14:49.16 | LittleIdiot | jeddy3: because the gsmd and dialer tasks are assigned already |
| 14:51.06 | Ghiottone|work | what else is being worked on? |
| 14:51.15 | jeddy3 | LittleIdiot, there you have it :) |
| 14:51.18 | wibbit | emdete: I thought gsmd was sorted? I'm sure I've seen a post to that effect in the mailing list |
| 14:52.11 | LittleIdiot | the neod also needs a few fixes |
| 14:52.33 | LittleIdiot | by the way - is there a reason for putting so many functions into one program? (neod) |
| 14:52.50 | SpeedEvil | To avoid IPC |
| 14:53.02 | SpeedEvil | also - much of it is really closely tied together |
| 14:53.22 | LittleIdiot | ok, makes sense |
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| 14:53.52 | SpeedEvil | A power managment daemon, for example, would have to know about the current audio state, and if it makes sense to suspend between touches. |
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| 15:09.04 | cb23 | SpeedEvil, is that possible? |
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| 15:26.14 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3361 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 15:26.14 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-dialer.c: (moko_dialer_dial), |
| 15:26.14 | CIA-13 | openmoko: (moko_dialer_init): |
| 15:26.14 | CIA-13 | openmoko: - Remove any GTK+ dependencies |
| 15:26.14 | CIA-13 | openmoko: - Actually dial the requested number |
| 15:26.16 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-talking.c: (moko_talking_incoming_call), |
| 15:26.20 | CIA-13 | openmoko: (moko_talking_outgoing_call), (on_silence_clicked), |
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| 15:30.11 | ScaredyCat | yeah, useful :D |
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| 15:36.14 | gi-el | as opposed to, a complete random number? ;) |
| 15:37.06 | xzcvczx | as opposed to the ex you got a new cell number to stop them hassling you and happen to have their number on your new phone and it dials them instead |
| 15:37.11 | LittleIdiot | is there a "hangup" button yet? ;) |
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| 15:38.22 | bedboi | hi there |
| 15:38.23 | bedboi | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/6cccca23b7fc077d5348eeb754caaf2d.png |
| 15:38.25 | bedboi | what's this? |
| 15:38.34 | ScaredyCat | the default was to dial the NSA and then play the "I'm a terrorist" wav file |
| 15:38.55 | zash | haha |
| 15:39.21 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: gotta ask which ones actually worse though |
| 15:39.43 | Ghiottone|work | bedboi it's cellwriter |
| 15:39.53 | bedboi | yep, but is it working? |
| 15:40.07 | xzcvczx | if its anything like ringing the piracy number to say you got a pirated copy of the movie and just get stuffed round til you hang up then i would rather your one |
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| 15:40.47 | CM | Ghiottone|work: You got it running? :) |
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| 15:41.31 | Ghiottone|work | bedboi I don't know how much it is working. but it runs on the neo. and you can try it. I made a package for it and it's available in my feed |
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| 15:41.35 | Ghiottone|work | CM: yep :) |
| 15:41.42 | CM | Ghiottone|work: Cool :D |
| 15:41.49 | bedboi | Ghiottone|work: who is developing it? |
| 15:41.58 | bedboi | i mean is it an openmoko effort? |
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| 15:43.50 | abraxa_ | bedboi: Nope, independent |
| 15:43.58 | Ghiottone|work | bedboi no it is an existing open source project |
| 15:43.58 | Ghiottone|work | bedboi risujin.org/cellwriter/ |
| 15:44.20 | bedboi | Ghiottone|work: thanks for the pointer |
| 15:44.31 | Ghiottone|work | bedboi np :) |
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| 15:54.37 | xzcvczx | is it just my lack of knowledge or c or is it bad to use a command line program to do something instead of using libs to do it? |
| 15:54.57 | cjb_ie | from a c program you mean? |
| 15:55.05 | xzcvczx | yup |
| 15:55.37 | zash | no shellexec()? |
| 15:55.41 | zash | or similar |
| 15:56.29 | cjb_ie | xzcvczx: it's considered fairly hackish to do it alright |
| 15:57.12 | xzcvczx | cjb_ie: ok |
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| 16:04.07 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3362 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokogsmd2/ (ChangeLog libmokogsmd/moko-gsmd-connection.c): |
| 16:04.07 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * libmokogsmd/moko-gsmd-connection.c: (moko_gsmd_connection_init): Don't |
| 16:04.07 | CIA-13 | openmoko: blindly try to restart gsmd when connecting to it fails |
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| 16:13.26 | _buz | how hard is it to use cellwriter on neo? |
| 16:13.39 | _buz | the cells look kinda small |
| 16:14.35 | _buz | do they have hardware? |
| 16:14.47 | _buz | we have like 100 software projects |
| 16:14.50 | _buz | but no hardware to run them on |
| 16:17.21 | cjb_ie | guess we'll wait and see |
| 16:17.22 | Sup3rkiddo | hmm, gphone doing its round in /., will it have openmoko as initially rumoured/ |
| 16:18.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 993 has been created by tick(AT)openmoko.com |
| 16:18.02 | cdbot2 | * * Provide Current Call status |
| 16:18.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=993 |
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| 16:18.42 | _buz | Sup3rkiddo: i doubt it |
| 16:18.48 | _buz | they say its java on top of some linux |
| 16:19.08 | _buz | and i'm pretty sure none of the phone companies would dare touching OM |
| 16:19.09 | cb23 | xzcvczx, get your neo working again? |
| 16:19.14 | xzcvczx | cb23: not yet |
| 16:19.28 | cb23 | :/ what do you thinks up? |
| 16:19.40 | xzcvczx | powered it off about 2 hrs ago so will try again in the morning as its just been plugged in booted for the last 24 hrs |
| 16:20.00 | abraxa_ | xzcvczx: Does your Neo work again? |
| 16:20.09 | cb23 | <xzcvczx> cb23: not yet |
| 16:20.13 | abraxa_ | oh |
| 16:20.17 | abraxa_ | lol, my bad |
| 16:20.19 | xzcvczx | either the screen connector has come loose (but no idea where the flek it is to check it) or i dont know |
| 16:20.28 | cb23 | does it get picked up? |
| 16:20.37 | xzcvczx | does it get picked up? |
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| 16:20.48 | cb23 | ie, does your pc detect it |
| 16:20.49 | xzcvczx | the touch will turn the screen on when its off |
| 16:20.53 | xzcvczx | yeah |
| 16:21.40 | xzcvczx | the reason i ended up pulling phone apart in first place though was the touchscreen was playing up and having really random responses and very little of the screen was 'touchable' |
| 16:22.10 | xzcvczx | and it wasnt bringing up crap if i cated touchscreen0 and wasnt touching the screen |
| 16:23.27 | hrw | xzcvczx: whic hardware? |
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| 16:25.12 | xzcvczx | hrw: v4 |
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| 16:27.15 | xzcvczx | abraxa_: just tried again and still all white and nothing else(does boot though) |
| 16:27.19 | abraxa_ | xzcvczx: Feel free to mail roh / MichaelShiloh for support, too - they'll try to help. Alternatively you can also mail FIC's support but I dunno how quickly you'll get responses |
| 16:27.28 | abraxa_ | Ah dang. |
| 16:27.44 | xzcvczx | indeed |
| 16:28.39 | xzcvczx | hrw: i assume thats what you were wanting to know? |
| 16:29.40 | xzcvczx | roh: you around? |
| 16:32.57 | hrw | yep |
| 16:35.34 | xzcvczx | hrw: got any hints? |
| 16:36.22 | hrw | no sorry |
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| 16:46.16 | xzcvczx | hmmm its not accepting input on the touchscreen either now |
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| 17:01.38 | xzcvczx | :o |
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| 17:02.47 | ScaredyCat | Oooh, Goldfish is shipping |
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| 17:08.11 | Writchie | android looks like the end of openmoko |
| 17:08.49 | robtaylor | goldfish? android? |
| 17:09.38 | Writchie | robtaylor: google's announcement - open handset alliance |
| 17:10.26 | robtaylor | oh god, not limo, please, not limo |
| 17:12.58 | stefan_schmidt | Writchie: Link? |
| 17:13.08 | guaqua | this is something: http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/ |
| 17:13.15 | Writchie | http://www.google.com/intl/en/press/pressrel/20071105_mobile_open.html |
| 17:13.36 | Writchie | http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/developers.html |
| 17:13.38 | CM | Heh, http://www.android.com is the same |
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| 17:14.04 | stefan_schmidt | Writchie: thanks |
| 17:14.20 | guaqua | this is bad for nokia |
| 17:14.32 | guaqua | therefor bad for finland :( |
| 17:14.35 | wirrwarr | heya~ |
| 17:14.52 | Ghiottone|work | lot of interesting names in android's company list |
| 17:15.14 | stefan_schmidt | second half of 2008, still some time. :) |
| 17:15.21 | Writchie | nokia will jump in when it starts to gain traction |
| 17:15.21 | cjb_ie | vapourware! |
| 17:15.24 | moko-bunny | I'm thinking their definition of open may be a bit different than ours.... |
| 17:15.30 | Writchie | stefan_schmidt: not in mobile time |
| 17:15.34 | ozarka | I want screen shots. |
| 17:15.42 | ozarka | Vaporware should always come with screen shots. |
| 17:15.46 | guaqua | :> |
| 17:16.11 | Writchie | its the middleware layer that most important |
| 17:16.11 | ozarka | The press release says "first truly open and comprehensive platform for mobile devices" |
| 17:16.17 | stefan_schmidt | Writchie: The members list looks interesting. We will see what they can offer us. :) |
| 17:16.24 | ozarka | I wonder what "truly open" means. |
| 17:16.35 | Writchie | can't wait to see the license agreement |
| 17:16.36 | guaqua | have those companies done anything truly open? |
| 17:16.42 | Writchie | let the patent wars begin |
| 17:16.50 | ozarka | SDK next week. That will be the interesting part. |
| 17:16.54 | moko-bunny | Marvell is horrible for datasheets |
| 17:17.48 | stefan_schmidt | It's always a question of pressure. :) |
| 17:18.11 | ozarka | http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/android_overview.html |
| 17:18.18 | ozarka | Has some details on the OS. |
| 17:18.44 | stefan_schmidt | Android? will deliver a complete set of software for mobile devices: an operating system, middleware and key mobile applications. |
| 17:18.49 | ozarka | Built on Linux kernel, open source, custom virtual machine |
| 17:18.55 | stefan_schmidt | Wow, a complete new OS. |
| 17:19.09 | ozarka | They claim it's going to be really easy to write applications for this platform. |
| 17:19.24 | ozarka | I wonder what language I'll be using. |
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| 17:19.53 | morricone | I think they are just afraid of the power of OM |
| 17:20.21 | ozarka | morricone: clearly just a kneejerk reaction to the Neo |
| 17:21.13 | xzcvczx | is there any way to take the screen off the neo (if anyone knows) |
| 17:21.14 | guaqua | i'm thinking some sort of java |
| 17:21.16 | guaqua | or mono |
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| 17:21.44 | GNAM | ANDROID announced :P |
| 17:21.52 | ozarka | Doesn't look like Sun was invited to the party. |
| 17:22.06 | ozarka | GNAM: really!!!?!!! :-) |
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| 17:23.19 | CM | ozarka: I'm sure it's java too, but I wonder what kind since SUN isn't there.. |
| 17:23.39 | ozarka | If it's Java, they're sure avoiding the j-word. |
| 17:23.45 | Writchie | missing from list are Nokia, Sony-Ericsson, Matsushita |
| 17:23.53 | morricone | The Apache license allows manufacturers and mobile operators to innovate using the platform without the requirement to contribute those innovations back to the open-source community. |
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| 17:24.19 | ozarka | They might take a MS approach and do a Vm that different languages can target. |
| 17:24.23 | stefan_schmidt | morricone: I just found the same. Nice. :) |
| 17:24.37 | ozarka | Let the language ways begin! |
| 17:24.41 | guaqua | the joy... |
| 17:24.59 | guaqua | "without the requirement to contribute those innocations back to the open-source community" |
| 17:25.02 | Writchie | stefan_schmidt: where did you see Apache license |
| 17:25.14 | ozarka | If it doesn't support Forth, you can count me out. |
| 17:25.20 | stefan_schmidt | Writchie: http://www.android.com/android_faq.html |
| 17:25.54 | Writchie | tx |
| 17:26.03 | guaqua | "" |
| 17:26.12 | xzcvczx | abraxa_: is there a way to see what all the output pins for the lcd are set to (if you know)? |
| 17:26.14 | guaqua | "Because these innovations and differentiated features can be kept proprietary, manufacturers and mobile operators are protected from the "viral infection" problem often associated with other licenses." ^______^ |
| 17:26.33 | ozarka | So OM for the the Copyleft crowd, and Apache for Big Business. |
| 17:26.45 | ozarka | Where have we seen this battle before? |
| 17:26.49 | Writchie | So November 12 comes the other nail in the coffin. |
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| 17:27.06 | Writchie | Neo will make a great android phone |
| 17:27.14 | Writchie | probably one of the first |
| 17:27.17 | ozarka | Writchie: Put your Neo on eBay now. |
| 17:28.21 | abraxa_ | xzcvczx: The LCD controller is part of the S3C SoC so I assume you'd need a debug board and OpenOCD to at least attempt getting at those - unless you're refering to the PCB layout in which case I misunderstood your question :) |
| 17:28.28 | guaqua | can something licensed under apache v2 license be forked and licensed under gpl? |
| 17:28.44 | Writchie | why - i have two and its probably the best platform ATM |
| 17:28.51 | ozarka | Uh oh, we have our first fork. |
| 17:29.08 | ozarka | GnuDroid? |
| 17:29.13 | guaqua | :> |
| 17:29.25 | abraxa_ | ozarka: Why should Writchie sell his Neo? |
| 17:29.59 | ozarka | I was joking. He said that Android was the end on OM and that the impending release of the SDK next week was the other nail in the coffin. |
| 17:30.27 | abraxa_ | haha |
| 17:30.32 | abraxa_ | Yeah, good one |
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| 17:33.24 | abraxa_ | "viral infection problem", my ass... if they draw from the vast pool of open source craft they sure should give something back instead of reaping in the benefits - into their own pockets |
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| 17:34.07 | guaqua | i wonder if they actually do reap from open source craft |
| 17:34.25 | xzcvczx | abraxa_: :S you dont know what the ribbon cable going from one side of the board to the other carries by any chance then (not the bluetooth one) |
| 17:34.49 | guaqua | trolltech isn't there either |
| 17:34.52 | xzcvczx | guaqua: we will probably see a OM clone with advertising rebadged and relicense |
| 17:34.55 | xzcvczx | d |
| 17:35.08 | Ghiottone|work | seems like Android is the Google phone |
| 17:36.08 | abraxa_ | xzcvczx: That ribbon cable has the LCD/TS signals as far as I can remember - I haven't dared prying the LCD off to see what really is going on there |
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| 17:37.18 | mrcucumber | Any thoughts about openmoko's role in light of the Gphone release |
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| 17:37.39 | guaqua | it really doesn't change a thing at this point |
| 17:38.40 | xzcvczx | abraxa_: thats most likely where my issue lies then |
| 17:39.40 | xzcvczx | 39 pins of f'in fidlyness |
| 17:39.48 | ozarka | In the abstract, the platform is "truly open", but when it comes down to any specific device, it could be completely closed. |
| 17:40.01 | mrcucumber | Since the Gphone software is Open Source we should be able to run it on openmoko if we wanted right? |
| 17:40.18 | Writchie | yes AFAIK so far |
| 17:40.21 | guaqua | Writchie: does it really change a thing at this point? |
| 17:40.24 | mrcucumber | or just take whatever libs we might want. |
| 17:40.25 | stefan_schmidt | mrcucumber: With some modifications it should be possible |
| 17:40.31 | abraxa_ | xzcvczx: I dunno... I'd assume the cable is firmly attached and doesn't move - much less so by itself |
| 17:40.34 | CM | What about the other way around? |
| 17:40.41 | guaqua | before we get a glimpse of what it actually is, we can't say anything |
| 17:40.45 | Writchie | quaqua: it changes where people put their effort |
| 17:40.51 | CM | Would be kind of nice to run gphone apps on openmoko too |
| 17:41.01 | guaqua | for sure it does |
| 17:41.10 | guaqua | but will the phones made on that platform be anywhere close to open? |
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| 17:41.26 | SpeedEvil | Possibly not - if they are ad based. |
| 17:41.28 | Writchie | certainly, hardware manufacturers will focus on supporting this platform |
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| 17:41.50 | Writchie | where in the apache license does it say it has anything to do with ads? |
| 17:41.52 | guaqua | well now you are making pretty big assumptions on how they are going to operate |
| 17:41.55 | SpeedEvil | If it was me, I'd want a custom X server(or whatever) that supported mandatory adverts somewhere. |
| 17:42.30 | SpeedEvil | And appropriate locking in of that kernel + x-server + ad-server |
| 17:42.40 | ozarka | A carrier could add their own stuff and make it so your applications don't even work. |
| 17:42.46 | guaqua | i don't think they're going to open their phones more than they have to. pushing a really bad deal down customers' throats has been the policy up until now, and what would change that? |
| 17:42.56 | |R | ozarka : and they will |
| 17:43.03 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: some for sure will go down that route |
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| 17:43.36 | SpeedEvil | ozarka: not quite - for example, you mod the x-server/wm so that it can send events saying 'I want to display an ad' - and giving the app some time to choose when to present the app. |
| 17:43.40 | guaqua | only thing open is the common ground, and we don't have a whole lot on that yet |
| 17:43.40 | |R | but if the platform is open, and there are some phone hardware maker willing to sell open phones... i guess it can always be installed by people like us |
| 17:43.44 | dread | is it possible to upgrade the gsmd with ipkg ? |
| 17:43.48 | |R | that would be the real change, in the end pushing more toward the open... |
| 17:43.58 | mjr | dread, yes |
| 17:44.05 | CM | mjr: I'm not so sure |
| 17:44.10 | guaqua | |R: most definitely |
| 17:44.14 | dread | do i need to remove the old packges first? |
| 17:44.18 | CM | mjr: It has been split up I think |
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| 17:44.34 | Writchie | it will be the chinese manufacturers like ningbo bird, foxconn, etc. who will supply lots of generic phone hardware below this platform. |
| 17:44.38 | doc|work | anyone following this google conference call? |
| 17:44.42 | Writchie | and fic too |
| 17:44.54 | doc|work | (about the gphone) |
| 17:45.07 | doc|work | or lack thereof |
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| 17:45.54 | doc|work | hehe |
| 17:46.00 | doc|work | http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/05/live-coverage-of-googles-android-gphone-mobile-os-announcement/ |
| 17:46.35 | doc|work | it seems like lots of "we're announcing a platform!" "can we have details of the platform?" "next week" "wtf?" |
| 17:46.51 | ozarka | Minimum req is 200Mhz ARM 9 |
| 17:46.59 | doc|work | also, it's htc and motorola, so, closed hardware |
| 17:46.59 | xzcvczx | doc|work: they are the 21st centurary micro$oft |
| 17:47.21 | doc|work | xzcvczx: not until they start really sucking, now they just suck in small ways |
| 17:47.27 | doc|work | :) |
| 17:47.32 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 17:47.41 | xzcvczx | 22nd century micro$oft then |
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| 17:47.58 | doc|work | apache software license |
| 17:48.03 | olle_ | is this the official openmoko channel? |
| 17:48.14 | doc|work | olle_: yup |
| 17:48.16 | xzcvczx | olle_: no its just become the official android channel |
| 17:48.20 | doc|work | haha |
| 17:48.21 | xzcvczx | :P |
| 17:48.22 | ozarka | "The best model to do volume is to be open" but not GPL. |
| 17:48.24 | olle_ | k, great |
| 17:48.26 | doc|work | so, er, wtf is android? |
| 17:48.31 | ozarka | Is there an Android channel? |
| 17:48.34 | doc|work | I mean, "a platform" but beyond that? |
| 17:48.55 | doc|work | seems to be cdma too |
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| 17:50.44 | doc|work | wow, some big names involved "Aplix, Ascender Corp., Audience, Broadcom Corp., China Mobile, eBay Inc., Esmertec, HTC Corp., Intel Corp., KDDI, Living Image, LG, Marvell Technology, Motorola Inc., NMS Communications, Noser, NTT DoCoMo, Nuance Communications Inc., Nvidia Corp., PacketVideo, Qualcomm Inc., Samsung Electronics, SiRF, SkyPop, SONiVOX, Sprint Nextel, Synaptics, TAT - The Astonishing Tribe, Telecom Italia, Telefónica SA, Texas Instr |
| 17:51.04 | balrog-kun | ugh |
| 17:51.07 | olle_ | i have a question. (last time i had a question i really should had read the wiki more) currently the Neo1973 costs 300$. the mass-market release will cost 450$. suppose i dont want to spend 450$. is it a sane idea to order the phone now, and suppose that openmoko will be stable in the future, so i can use it? |
| 17:51.24 | balrog-kun | the announcement says "However, the lack of a collaborative effort has made it a challenge for developers,...", |
| 17:51.25 | SpeedEvil | It's an idea, yes. |
| 17:51.46 | SpeedEvil | It has not been announced if 01 will be available after 02's release. |
| 17:51.58 | xzcvczx | doc|work: lol probably the first they heard of it.... or they just want to sound cool y getting in behind google because google is one company that seems to make a difference |
| 17:52.02 | ozarka | It's confirmed that carriers can create totally locked down devices. |
| 17:52.03 | balrog-kun | i don't see where's the new colaborative effort now, if they don't mention openmoko and others |
| 17:52.05 | SpeedEvil | And if you don't want accellerometer, or video accel, or wifi (or can live whjtout them) |
| 17:52.16 | SpeedEvil | ozarka: they can do that with OM too |
| 17:52.23 | olle_ | i can live without them indeed |
| 17:52.34 | dread | olle_: check out the updated hardware on the next revision |
| 17:52.40 | olle_ | maybe i will do so now i have your moral support |
| 17:52.47 | bobesponja | the android SDK is not there yet: http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/developers.html |
| 17:52.47 | olle_ | i have already did |
| 17:52.48 | doc|work | olle_: the hardware is different, what SpeedEvil said, also the cpu on that one is slower 266MHz as opposed to 400MHz |
| 17:52.59 | SpeedEvil | ozarka: and indeed, I'd like to be able to lock my phone down so hard that it si a brick, to people even with a debug board. |
| 17:53.02 | dread | olle_: i'm sure you don't want to get the old one :) the new one is worth 150$ mor, i recon :) |
| 17:53.07 | ozarka | SpeedEvil: really? Isn't the licensing different? |
| 17:53.31 | doc|work | xzcvczx: seeing no point in this at all. :) |
| 17:53.34 | SpeedEvil | ozarka: the license does not preclude putting it onto a device on which the user has no root access. |
| 17:53.43 | doc|work | why didn't they just use something like openmoko? |
| 17:53.46 | ozarka | ok |
| 17:53.52 | xzcvczx | doc|work: too open |
| 17:53.54 | dread | olle_: maybe the battery power and the faster cpu are pretty important for a daily-use-smartphone :) |
| 17:53.56 | guaqua | doc|work: can't modify and not release the sources |
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| 17:54.29 | doc|work | guaqua: ok then, so it's basically wince levels of openness. screw that |
| 17:54.32 | guaqua | i.e. can't lock down as easily and can't prevent others from using the code base |
| 17:54.41 | enjahova | instead of the alliance they should have called it the federation ^_^ |
| 17:54.43 | doc|work | "you can have an sdk, now piss off" |
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| 17:55.23 | olle_ | actually, im not certainly attracted by 1973. if there were a main stream, cheaper, mobile phone with openmoko, i would have chose that for sure |
| 17:55.45 | xzcvczx | olle_: with all the stuff the neo has its rather cheap |
| 17:55.47 | olle_ | forgive my horrible grammar |
| 17:55.53 | doc|work | olle_: sure, and there may be in the future, but for now the neo is the only one planned :| |
| 17:55.53 | xzcvczx | like "gps" |
| 17:56.08 | SpeedEvil | xzcvczx: it's not cheap. It's more or less competitive. |
| 17:56.14 | doc|work | olle_: it's cheaper and more open then *any* of the competition |
| 17:56.24 | srj | seems that Qt is running pretty good on neo... |
| 17:56.31 | doc|work | olle_: it really is a mini-computer |
| 17:56.31 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: here its cheap, including shipping...... $900 for a phone that even has gps here |
| 17:56.49 | olle_ | indeed it has a lot of features, that doesnt make it cheap. my current phone costed me ~120 € |
| 17:56.56 | srj | any one knows where to find the bin file to flash it on my neo? |
| 17:57.06 | xzcvczx | srj: bin file? |
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| 17:57.33 | xzcvczx | there are 2 things you must flash to have a usable phone |
| 17:57.40 | doc|work | olle_: yep, but does your current phone have wifi/gps and a touchscreen? I get what you mean, I had no interest in smartphones thinking they were just expensive pdas, but this one has me hooked :) |
| 17:57.40 | xzcvczx | a .jffs2 and a .cantremember |
| 17:57.46 | srj | xzcvcx: yeah, the .bin file... am i wrong somewhere? |
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| 17:57.56 | xzcvczx | buildhost.openmoko.org |
| 17:58.12 | xzcvczx | srj: read getting started with the 1973 on the wiki |
| 17:58.17 | olle_ | but what the heck, i dont care about wifi, gps, or ESPECIALLY not a touch screen |
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| 17:58.23 | xzcvczx | much better at explaining and it has a better memory |
| 17:58.23 | bobesponja | is there something not open on openmoko appart from the gps driver? |
| 17:58.34 | xzcvczx | bobesponja: gsm firmware |
| 17:58.49 | SpeedEvil | bluetooth firmware |
| 17:58.49 | doc|work | olle_: so what about the neo did you like? |
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| 17:59.01 | doc|work | olle_: or rather openmoko |
| 17:59.06 | olle_ | the software |
| 17:59.08 | osmosis | hi |
| 17:59.12 | srj | xzcvcx: there is a link to Qtopia for neo in the wiki, but it is a .jffs2 file and is not flashing onto my neo |
| 17:59.13 | bobesponja | so much of the drivers are not open :/ |
| 17:59.14 | olle_ | free software. |
| 17:59.19 | bedboi | http://www.android.com/ |
| 17:59.26 | doc|work | olle_: you should be able to install that onto other phones, one sec |
| 17:59.27 | osmosis | are you guys talkinga bout android ? |
| 17:59.31 | bedboi | oh, i'm late |
| 17:59.32 | bedboi | :) |
| 17:59.34 | xzcvczx | srj: if you read the getting started it explains where everything is and how to do it |
| 17:59.40 | xzcvczx | osmosis: nope |
| 17:59.43 | bedboi | fuck ten minutes late |
| 17:59.48 | bedboi | i'm getting old |
| 17:59.49 | doc|work | osmosis: what's there to talk about? :) |
| 18:00.04 | srj | xzcvczx: i guess i'll have to read it once more :) |
| 18:00.12 | doc|work | osmosis: I mean, wtf is it? :) "a platform" |
| 18:00.12 | osmosis | doc|work: is FIC hardware going to be compatible ? |
| 18:00.19 | olle_ | free, hackable, software. == *drool* heavy, large, PDA != *drool* |
| 18:00.24 | doc|work | osmosis: no idea, they don't talk about it |
| 18:00.28 | osmosis | doc|work: full SDK is to be released next week. |
| 18:00.32 | doc|work | osmosis: exactly |
| 18:00.38 | osmosis | doc|work: GTK based. |
| 18:00.41 | doc|work | osmosis: it's an announcement of an announcement |
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| 18:00.49 | bobesponja | xzcvczx: are there plans to opensource the driver or is that illegal (espacially for the gsm and the fcc)? |
| 18:00.58 | xzcvczx | osmosis: i dont think fic are going to make any attempt to make their phone compatible with android if anythning it will be the other way around |
| 18:01.07 | xzcvczx | bobesponja: illegal for all 3 |
| 18:01.24 | xzcvczx | well i dunno whether illegal is the right work but would create a lot of legal issues |
| 18:01.36 | xzcvczx | s/worword |
| 18:01.53 | doc|work | olle_: there's a list of other devices on the wiki |
| 18:02.05 | xzcvczx | s/s/worword/s/work/word |
| 18:02.13 | doc|work | balrog-kun: same |
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| 18:02.29 | doc|work | if it can be locked down by providers (which they will do) then why bother |
| 18:02.33 | olle_ | ok. thanks doc |
| 18:02.52 | doc|work | if I wanted a locked down stupidphone I'd buy an iphone |
| 18:02.53 | bobesponja | balrog-kun: well if openmoko is all closed source on the driver, the only thing android has to do is to be open on the GUI and it will be just as open as openmoko no? |
| 18:03.12 | abraxa_ | osmosis: How can Android be GTK-based and yet be available under an Apache 2 license? |
| 18:03.32 | balrog-kun | a project that was secret for that long usually doesn't become very open, and usually the programmers assigned to it are the not very skilled ones who don't get to work on more fun projects |
| 18:04.02 | xzcvczx | doc|work: i think the iphone is actually quite a nice phone just too closed/apple being too greedy but apart from that its quite nice |
| 18:04.50 | xzcvczx | sweet paydat |
| 18:04.52 | doc|work | xzcvczx: nice to look at. I'm not interested really beyond that. It's completely locked down. |
| 18:04.52 | xzcvczx | payday |
| 18:04.59 | osmosis | abraxa_: Where did you see the part about he Apache 2 license? Okay, maybe its not GTK based, but it can run GTK the dev said in the video. |
| 18:05.16 | doc|work | osmosis: they said it, and apache license, not apache 2 (if there's a difference) |
| 18:05.54 | abraxa_ | osmosis: http://www.android.com/android_faq.html says "Android will be made available as open source via the Apache v2 license." |
| 18:05.54 | cb23 | <olle_> free, hackable, software. == *drool* heavy, large, PDA != *drool* |
| 18:06.02 | cb23 | but unfortunatly as hackable software increases to infinty, so does size |
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| 18:06.15 | cb23 | looks like the two are directly proportional for the time being :/ |
| 18:06.17 | olle_ | maybe youre right. |
| 18:06.24 | doc|work | hah, google didn't make android |
| 18:06.31 | doc|work | http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/aug2005/tc20050817_0949_tc024.htm |
| 18:06.49 | xzcvczx | doc|work: have google made anything? |
| 18:06.55 | olle_ | im a bit sceptical to the situation where everything open source seems to Have to be linux |
| 18:07.05 | doc|work | xzcvczx: search? :) |
| 18:07.24 | doc|work | olle_: it does? bsd people might argue otherwise :) |
| 18:07.28 | xzcvczx | olle_: you dont think they would have it based on the open source version of windows mobile do you? |
| 18:07.29 | |R | olle_ : they should have taken OpenBSD as their core? so everyone could lock it down a bit more :P |
| 18:07.42 | olle_ | ok, im thinking more about embedded systems |
| 18:07.49 | xzcvczx | doc|work: but all their stuff that makes people go wow |
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| 18:08.24 | |R | olle_ : i'm guessing linux saves way too much efforts with the current hardware to care about rewritting a fifth tcp/ip stack etc |
| 18:08.30 | olle_ | a lot of the reasons i HATE my current SE k310i could be fixed with free software. the same software (almost), but free. |
| 18:08.43 | olle_ | no doubt JR |
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| 18:09.23 | doc|work | xzcvczx: it's easier to make stuff go wow when you have complete control |
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| 18:09.59 | cb23 | it seems as if netbsd tends to 'run' on more things, while linux actually runs on more things |
| 18:10.12 | xzcvczx | doc|work: i would hope that they would have complete control over their servers........ |
| 18:10.14 | CM | srj: ScaredyCat has a qtopia build from today: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ |
| 18:10.15 | cb23 | with netbsd support x platform, but linux tends to have support for x device |
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| 18:11.28 | doc|work | xzcvczx: there's nothing special about anything google have done really. Search had been done before them and they're not really much better at it than now. Gmail? meh, gtalk = jabber, orkut? meh. |
| 18:11.30 | osmosis | doc|work: abraxa_: What license is openmoko? |
| 18:11.48 | abraxa_ | osmosis: GPL2 |
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| 18:12.25 | doc|work | xzcvczx: all they did was make using any of them less annoying (although I haven't used orkut) |
| 18:13.02 | gi-el | doc|work: google docs, spreadsheet |
| 18:13.23 | doc|work | gi-el: alternatives exist |
| 18:13.24 | olle_ | doc|work: google earth! |
| 18:13.28 | doc|work | olle_: bought |
| 18:13.37 | olle_ | meh |
| 18:13.41 | kdean06 | doc|home, I have to say that they're not great technically, but they have a beneficial/dangerous marketing-esque way that turns their rehashes into gold. Sure, search existed, but Google made "search" and "Google" into the same thing, knowing people don't break habits. |
| 18:13.42 | CM | gmail is so much better than any other email it's just silly |
| 18:13.46 | gi-el | doc|work: yes, alternatives exist, but does that make it bad? |
| 18:13.59 | doc|work | kdean06: aye, it's all about the inertia |
| 18:14.03 | ScaredyCat | gmail sucks |
| 18:14.09 | CM | Hehe |
| 18:14.13 | doc|work | gi-el: I didn't say it did. I just said that nothing they did is special. |
| 18:14.16 | CM | ScaredyCat: So do you :P |
| 18:14.24 | enjahova | doc|work, are you crazy? its not about doing something new, Google has done things RIGHT. fast, smooth and free. |
| 18:14.31 | gi-el | doc|work: combining it all is special :) |
| 18:14.34 | ScaredyCat | it's slow, it doesn't understand greylisting, it sends dupes |
| 18:14.43 | doc|work | enjahova: as I said, they made it less annoying.... |
| 18:14.56 | doc|work | enjahova: I'm not so sure selling on user data is "right" |
| 18:14.58 | kdean06 | CM, Personally, I disagree. I would have said it was good 6 months ago, until it started delaying messages, letting in spam and putting messages from different conversations togetehr. My IMAP + Squirrelmail has been more reliable, and that supports GPG. :) |
| 18:15.07 | enjahova | i guess i see your point, as coders and such we can see that technically its not all that special |
| 18:15.28 | CM | kdean06: Hmm.. I haven't noticed any of that. Just got the new gui too a few days ago, and it's really fast |
| 18:15.29 | enjahova | besides their infrastructure |
| 18:15.47 | doc|work | gi-el: combining it all isn't special, that's what businesses do, they consolidate things :) |
| 18:15.55 | xzcvczx | SWEET |
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| 18:16.07 | ScaredyCat | zimbra is a better interface for n00bs like you CM |
| 18:16.08 | ScaredyCat | :P |
| 18:16.09 | gi-el | doc|work: the fact that nobody has done it before makes it special ;) |
| 18:16.26 | enjahova | yeah, just because its obvious in retrospect... |
| 18:16.29 | CM | ScaredyCat: Hehe.. Who just bought them? |
| 18:16.32 | kdean06 | THough... Even if people don't use the Google stuff, people are aware of it. So even if Android tanks, it might still raise awareness of the need for open mobile devices and that's a good thing. :) |
| 18:16.43 | xzcvczx | ITS ALIVE |
| 18:16.52 | CM | xzcvczx: What was the problem? |
| 18:16.53 | doc|work | gi-el: well, with this gphone stuff it's now at scary levels of knowledge. I *want* them to be separate. They'll know where you are, what you buy, what you search for, who you talk to, what you say... etc etc |
| 18:17.00 | ScaredyCat | I have a dowloaded copy just for you CM |
| 18:17.02 | abraxa_ | CM: Meanie. I was gonna ask, too :( |
| 18:17.11 | guaqua | ScaredyCat: isn't zimbra commercial? |
| 18:17.15 | gi-el | doc|work: i don't say it's good, but it's something special :P |
| 18:17.16 | ScaredyCat | no |
| 18:17.16 | xzcvczx | CM: cable wasnt in properly.... even though i reseated it like 10 times |
| 18:17.19 | doc|work | zimbra = foss afaik |
| 18:17.20 | ScaredyCat | foos + commercial |
| 18:17.22 | CM | abraxa_: You're a bit slow.. :P |
| 18:17.30 | xzcvczx | abraxa_: cb23: thanks |
| 18:17.33 | doc|work | gi-el: meh :) |
| 18:17.43 | abraxa_ | xzcvczx: Nothing to thank for and I'm glad it works again :) |
| 18:17.43 | CM | Zimbra is owned by Yahoo |
| 18:17.50 | doc|work | so, when do we get gta02s? |
| 18:18.02 | xzcvczx | and anyone else who attempted to help |
| 18:18.03 | guaqua | ooh, yahoo acquires zimbra |
| 18:18.07 | gi-el | doc|work: come on, making a "big brother" infrastructure while convincing people you're nice and friendly is some feat :) |
| 18:18.08 | ScaredyCat | Yahoo brought zimbra after buying the product |
| 18:18.19 | doc|work | gi-el: *that* one I'll give you ;) |
| 18:18.25 | doc|work | :( |
| 18:18.40 | xzcvczx | unfourtunately touchscreen still seems to be playing up.. but halfway there at least |
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| 18:19.41 | ScaredyCat | I for one, welcome our new Google toting overlords.... |
| 18:20.53 | doc|work | sick 'im! |
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| 18:21.50 | ScaredyCat | can someone tell me wtf 'OpenSocial' is and why people who think up names for these things are illiterate? |
| 18:22.13 | gi-el | ScaredyCat: sounds like a 60s hippies fuckfest |
| 18:22.23 | CM | ScaredyCat: Reading rejon's blogpost? |
| 18:22.43 | doc|work | so far, no one's really sure, it explains what you need to do to expose your stuff, but not how to connect to it seemingly |
| 18:22.56 | CM | ScaredyCat: I was: http://rejon.org/2007/11/05/open-mobile-space-growing/ |
| 18:23.00 | doc|work | and on these social networking sites, it's all about exposing your stuff |
| 18:23.27 | CM | doc|work: Exposing your stuff sounds line pr0n to me.. ;) |
| 18:23.36 | CM | s/line/like/ |
| 18:24.02 | doc|work | CM: exactly :) |
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| 18:26.56 | ScaredyCat | roflmao |
| 18:26.58 | ScaredyCat | "The biggest news is that dialing "Just Works(TM)" now, turn on the phone, open the dialer and you can make calls. My neo stops after that because my calling credit ran out a while ago" |
| 18:27.04 | ScaredyCat | knob head |
| 18:27.07 | doc|work | hahahhaa |
| 18:27.20 | ScaredyCat | how the hell can you tell if it's working if you have no call credit |
| 18:27.37 | doc|work | because it tells you that you have no credit |
| 18:27.54 | doc|work | "your account has zero dollars and 4 cents" |
| 18:28.03 | olle_ | 200$ |
| 18:28.07 | olle_ | hehe |
| 18:28.22 | ScaredyCat | not in .nl it doesn;t doc|work |
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| 18:28.45 | doc|work | ScaredyCat: it just doesn't do anything? |
| 18:28.47 | doc|work | weird |
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| 18:29.16 | ScaredyCat | no, and in the uk - certainly with virgin, it just hangs up |
| 18:29.34 | ScaredyCat | or gives 'fast busy' |
| 18:29.39 | doc|work | that's a bit crap |
| 18:29.56 | ScaredyCat | yes... |
| 18:30.01 | ScaredyCat | but that's payg for you |
| 18:30.43 | ScaredyCat | it's not as if you can't top up pretty much anywhere nowadys thoug |
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| 18:30.59 | ScaredyCat | you have a BIOS olle_! ? |
| 18:31.16 | olle_ | lol |
| 18:32.14 | xzcvczx | bleh its stuffed |
| 18:32.23 | ScaredyCat | like a turkey |
| 18:33.04 | xzcvczx | except not as nice to eat |
| 18:33.29 | xzcvczx | hmmm last month of spring and its rained for the past 2 days :S |
| 18:37.17 | ScaredyCat | spring? |
| 18:37.32 | ScaredyCat | ahhh .nz |
| 18:37.35 | xzcvczx | :) |
| 18:37.40 | xzcvczx | the smart country |
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| 18:38.20 | ScaredyCat | yeah, so many sheep so much time |
| 18:39.21 | enjahova | lol, should spend less time on sheep and more on OM |
| 18:40.14 | xzcvczx | enjahova: OM doesnt have the same payout as sheep :P |
| 18:40.35 | xzcvczx | you dont feel relieved after 3 hrs working on the moko |
| 18:40.50 | ScaredyCat | s/hrs/minutes/ |
| 18:41.18 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: no it was just a fake one with you |
| 18:41.33 | xzcvczx | :) |
| 18:41.35 | enjahova | lol |
| 18:43.27 | xzcvczx | hmmm 7pm for roh.... why isnt he on here !!! |
| 18:43.29 | xzcvczx | :P |
| 18:43.52 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 18:44.09 | ScaredyCat | ok, lets see what's new in qtopia.. |
| 18:45.13 | doc|work | is qtopia > openmoko? |
| 18:45.37 | flexd | are such things allowed to say in #openmoko? ;) |
| 18:45.40 | doc|work | hehe |
| 18:45.55 | doc|work | I'd hope so, otherwise what's the point of opensource :) |
| 18:45.57 | anrp | depends on what you want |
| 18:46.06 | anrp | if you want a working phone right now, yes, qt is better |
| 18:46.21 | xzcvczx | doc|work: personally i prefer the look of om but the functionality of qtopia at present |
| 18:46.32 | doc|work | fair enough |
| 18:46.44 | doc|work | so, what difference is rasterman supposed to make? |
| 18:47.04 | orospakr | hm, is there a reasonably recent image I can flash? |
| 18:47.18 | ScaredyCat | orospakr: I have images from today |
| 18:47.24 | orospakr | wait, what about rasterman? |
| 18:47.26 | ScaredyCat | for om and qtopia |
| 18:47.33 | orospakr | ScaredyCat: OM, please. :) |
| 18:47.36 | orospakr | does PM work yet? |
| 18:47.57 | ScaredyCat | is the sky yellow? |
| 18:48.03 | doc|work | yes! |
| 18:48.04 | orospakr | dang. |
| 18:48.22 | orospakr | you'd think they'd have it working by now... |
| 18:48.39 | doc|work | orospakr: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-November/011355.html |
| 18:48.53 | orospakr | holy crap! |
| 18:49.04 | doc|work | hehe |
| 18:49.14 | orospakr | oh man, if anyone can bling out the GUI and make it fast, it's him. |
| 18:49.19 | doc|work | indeed |
| 18:49.26 | doc|work | maybe :) |
| 18:49.38 | orospakr | I had dinner with him once! |
| 18:49.48 | doc|work | did he pay? |
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| 18:50.18 | flexd | did he kiss you goodbye? |
| 18:50.29 | flexd | :p |
| 18:50.44 | doc|work | *ahem* |
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| 18:51.44 | orospakr | ... |
| 18:51.48 | orospakr | that was terrible. |
| 18:52.10 | doc|work | admit it, you chuckled |
| 18:52.52 | Fatal | so no goodbye kiss then? :/ |
| 18:53.12 | ScaredyCat | not enought wine flowed |
| 18:53.18 | ScaredyCat | enough |
| 18:54.25 | xzcvczx | they went straight to the long island iced teas and had to be carried out by the bouncers |
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| 18:55.26 | xzcvczx | oh crap space left to do an upgrade :S |
| 18:55.37 | xzcvczx | no* |
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| 19:01.24 | abraxa_ | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-November/011370.html - I like this mail. A lot. Cause I know he can do it :) |
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| 19:03.57 | CM | abraxa_: Nice :) |
| 19:04.15 | doc|work | yeah, but why work on another interface when there's so much other stuff that could be done right now? |
| 19:04.25 | CM | He's hainging around in here fairly often too :) |
| 19:06.02 | abraxa_ | doc|work: Simply because working on a new UI will be a greater benefit in the long run - GTK just is not the UI toolkit to compete with Apple & Co |
| 19:06.22 | doc|work | abraxa_: agreed, but it's much further on right now |
| 19:06.53 | abraxa_ | Yeah, there's a compromise to be made somewhere |
| 19:06.53 | doc|work | also, how will that transition work, might annoy developers who have to develop against a new toolkit. |
| 19:07.08 | doc|work | or is that for a much later device? |
| 19:07.21 | abraxa_ | GTK works under E17, too |
| 19:07.25 | cb23 | xzcvczx, nice! |
| 19:07.27 | cb23 | glad to see |
| 19:07.36 | doc|work | abraxa_: transparently, theming and all? |
| 19:08.07 | abraxa_ | doc|work: Of course you'd need a theme that matches the new UI's theme but that seems rather trivial |
| 19:08.15 | doc|work | I know you can get e17-like gtk themes |
| 19:08.22 | doc|work | fair enough |
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| 19:14.53 | Bardack | Hi |
| 19:15.07 | abraxa_ | Ahoy |
| 19:15.39 | Bardack | Some months ago, I had already a look on this amazing project |
| 19:15.55 | Bardack | and today I was thinking about it, and I see that it grow |
| 19:16.10 | Bardack | s* up |
| 19:16.33 | abraxa_ | Sure does :) |
| 19:16.39 | Bardack | I saw that the user version will be launched on the 10/10/07. But I don't see this version at this time. |
| 19:16.56 | doc|work | 45/topic |
| 19:16.58 | doc|work | erk |
| 19:16.59 | abraxa_ | Yeah, hardware is taking longer than expected |
| 19:17.05 | Bardack | To be honnest, I use linux for 4 years, and I am a LOTTTTTT interessted to take a developer version |
| 19:17.24 | Bardack | it will be a difference (hardware) between developer/user version? |
| 19:17.55 | Bardack | sorry for my bad english :) I try to do my best :) |
| 19:18.06 | Bardack | but I am too excited by the avancment of this project :) |
| 19:18.06 | doc|work | Bardack: see topic :) |
| 19:18.16 | abraxa_ | Yeah - the latter will have more RAM, more flash memory, a faster CPU, WiFi, a GPU and accelerometers |
| 19:18.26 | Bardack | yeah like I was thinking |
| 19:18.40 | Bardack | but later version = user version ? |
| 19:18.45 | Bardack | or a new future version? |
| 19:18.53 | abraxa_ | Mass market version, yes |
| 19:19.03 | Bardack | okay |
| 19:19.34 | Bardack | and this version will be launched this year, then maybe it is not a good idea to take the developper version |
| 19:19.37 | Bardack | I don t really know |
| 19:19.49 | abraxa_ | I would wait |
| 19:19.57 | Bardack | Yeah I think so |
| 19:20.05 | Bardack | but on the site, I don't see : |
| 19:20.12 | Bardack | 1) price of the mass market version |
| 19:20.22 | Bardack | 2) a new date for the mass market version launching |
| 19:20.30 | doc|work | Bardack: again, see topic :) |
| 19:20.39 | Bardack | yeah I had already a look |
| 19:20.41 | Bardack | I go verify |
| 19:24.11 | xzcvczx | Bardack: price = 450/600 for mass market |
| 19:24.16 | xzcvczx | date: TBA |
| 19:24.28 | Bardack | 450/600 ? base / advanced? |
| 19:24.36 | xzcvczx | uhuh |
| 19:24.39 | Bardack | mmm okay |
| 19:24.46 | Bardack | TBA? Don't understand |
| 19:24.53 | drath | to be announced |
| 19:25.08 | Bardack | mmm it is a lot ... |
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| 19:26.09 | kdean06 | So, for those who currently have a Neo unit, how functional is it? |
| 19:26.16 | *** join/#openmoko cjb (n=cjb@pullcord.laptop.org) |
| 19:26.16 | xzcvczx | 30% |
| 19:26.26 | abraxa_ | lol xz |
| 19:26.28 | cjb | Hi! Can someone recommend a recent jffs2 image to update to? |
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| 19:26.46 | abraxa_ | cjb: I'd use mwester's or ScaredyCat's |
| 19:26.50 | xzcvczx | abraxa_: well no texting, no hang up button must i continue :P |
| 19:27.15 | doc|work | mmm, china mobile: "A state-owned enterprise of the People's Republic of China government, it was spun off from former monopoly China Telecom in 2000, and now has a 65% share of the competitive mainland Chinese mobile market. " |
| 19:27.18 | xzcvczx | cjb: latest on buildhost,automated,it |
| 19:27.25 | xzcvczx | -, +. |
| 19:27.27 | doc|work | can we now put to rest the google aren't evil rubbish? |
| 19:27.33 | abraxa_ | xzcvczx: Actually I was more refering to the percentage as the meaning of "how functional is it?" varies for everyone :) |
| 19:27.40 | Bardack | lol |
| 19:28.14 | xzcvczx | abraxa_: just thought i will pull a number out of somewhere because its rather an open question.... not saying at all in what way he means |
| 19:28.23 | Bardack | mmm |
| 19:28.25 | Bardack | I m hesitate |
| 19:28.33 | cjb | xzcvczx: thanks! |
| 19:28.38 | xzcvczx | abraxa_: i could have said 0% because it didnt work in my missile as a gps unit being controlled through gsm |
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| 19:28.41 | Bardack | the developer version is cool, but the mass market version will be better |
| 19:28.50 | Bardack | but more expansive ^^ |
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| 19:29.02 | xzcvczx | Bardack: its got a lot more hardware in it |
| 19:29.03 | flexd | Bardack: that's because you can develop *AND* like.. call people and such, do phone stuff |
| 19:29.07 | flexd | it's like win/win |
| 19:29.17 | cjb | xzcvczx: huh, there are many flavors of build there. I guess I want something in OM2007.2, but which build? (stock openmoko is fine) |
| 19:29.35 | Bardack | yeah I understand |
| 19:29.40 | kdean06 | abraxa_, And it was funny. :) Though, I was thinking more in terms of basic phone functions such as making a call (and hanging up) and viewing/sending SMS. |
| 19:30.00 | xzcvczx | cjb: well depends if you think ScaredyCat's added crap is just a waste of space or not |
| 19:30.11 | enjahova | doc|work why do you hate google so much? :) |
| 19:30.20 | xzcvczx | i personally go for the stock one as i have enuff space issues as it is |
| 19:30.30 | enjahova | doc|work, do you not want chinese people to have access to android? |
| 19:30.34 | doc|work | enjahova: hate? |
| 19:30.48 | doc|work | enjahova: I'm pointing out the lies, that's not hate. |
| 19:30.53 | xzcvczx | kdean06: no gui sms, can make a call but not hang up locally |
| 19:31.00 | xzcvczx | unless you do it by command line |
| 19:31.23 | doc|work | enjahova: I'd like the chinese people to have access to everything we do, and if they can get more, all the better, shame google and the chinese government work together to prevent that. |
| 19:31.30 | enjahova | doc|work, what lie? china only has 1 or 2 fewer carriers than we do |
| 19:31.43 | doc|work | the lie about them not being evil |
| 19:31.44 | enjahova | china mobile and china unicom are the two major ones |
| 19:31.44 | kdean06 | xzcvczx, Thanks. |
| 19:31.47 | xzcvczx | unfortunately we just have a good old duopoly here |
| 19:31.52 | cjb | xzcvczx: cool, thanks, ok |
| 19:31.57 | xzcvczx | 45c per min to call mobiles |
| 19:32.03 | doc|work | enjahova: you missed the point :) |
| 19:32.10 | enjahova | i guess so |
| 19:32.24 | enjahova | i just don't get how working with china mobile is evil |
| 19:33.23 | abraxa__ | kdean06: Hanging up is a temporary issue as I understand it - SMS function on the other hand... yeah. Needs an app to be written. |
| 19:33.27 | xzcvczx | if we didnt have china everything would be twice the price it is |
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| 19:34.13 | balrog-kun | what's evil for me is keeping a project secret for too long and reimplementing what others are doing (openmoko, qtopia) |
| 19:34.13 | doc|work | xzcvczx: and the US and european economy wouldn't be so bad |
| 19:34.24 | abraxa__ | xzcvczx: ...and actually make people appreciate more what they have :) (yay for US non-environmentalism) |
| 19:34.26 | Bardack | mmm the advanced edition is for the big developers |
| 19:34.28 | balrog-kun | at the same time claiming to be the first to have ever done it, and that you're collaborative |
| 19:34.32 | Bardack | want to touch the loader ... |
| 19:35.07 | jmichel | Hi i'm new in this IRC channel, I flashed my Neo last week with images from Oct 25th and today I made an ipkg upgrade and now the desktop doesn't show up |
| 19:35.14 | jmichel | It says an error with the GSM antenna that cannot be powered on |
| 19:35.20 | jmichel | Am I the only ones that has this problem? |
| 19:35.48 | abraxa__ | jmichel: Why not just flash a recent image? |
| 19:35.56 | xzcvczx | jmichel: did you -forceoverwrite with the upgrade |
| 19:35.57 | balrog-kun | jmichel: there should be an "Ok" button under than GSM antenna message |
| 19:36.03 | mjr | I get that too. If I initialize the gsm modem through libgsmd-tool and register onto the network, after that it works for me... |
| 19:36.03 | jmichel | I thought the ipkg upgrade would do the same |
| 19:36.58 | Bardack | Mmm I don t really understand the need to have a "advanced" version. It is for the hardware or for hacking the u-boot I see. But the u-boot is not very clear for me. |
| 19:36.58 | jmichel | i didn't do -forceoverwrite |
| 19:37.21 | Bardack | I m thinking at: if I take a base version, will I have some restrictions? |
| 19:37.32 | abraxa__ | Bardack: If you don't know what u-boot is then you don't need to tinker with it :) |
| 19:37.34 | xzcvczx | jmichel: then if you havent customised the phone you will probably just find it easier to reflash |
| 19:37.35 | jmichel | after i click ok it stays on "plaese wait" screen |
| 19:37.43 | Bardack | hehe oki |
| 19:37.43 | abraxa__ | Bardack: And no restrictions, no |
| 19:39.13 | summatusmentis | I hate to be a pessimist... does Google's Android nullify the premise behind openmoko? |
| 19:39.21 | xzcvczx | summatusmentis: no |
| 19:39.34 | Bardack | yeah , then I wait for the base version for mass market version |
| 19:39.45 | Bardack | I hope that the transport to Belgium will be correct :) |
| 19:39.54 | summatusmentis | xzcvczx: you think coexistance is feasible? |
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| 19:40.24 | xzcvczx | summatusmentis: android will never be the same as om..... om will get all the ubergeeks before android does |
| 19:40.27 | jmichel | abarxa__: is there any advantages of doing a new flash or ipkg upgrade brings the software to the same version than the new image? |
| 19:40.51 | kdean06 | summatusmentis, No. They both have different goals, but there's also some overlap... |
| 19:41.04 | abraxa__ | jmichel: Thing is that so many things are in flux as of now that flashing a recent image makes sure everything is consistent |
| 19:41.24 | balrog-kun | summatusmentis: it's yet to see who nullifies who :p |
| 19:41.33 | abraxa__ | Bardack: You ordered one? |
| 19:41.44 | zash | gah, chatt slower so i can read |
| 19:41.49 | xzcvczx | summatusmentis: they effectively have differnent goals in terms of om/fic either want a wad of cash at the start and nothing more (or nothing if you put om on another device) whereas google will keep getting money off you for the life of your android phone |
| 19:42.12 | doc|work | xzcvczx: is that google's business model? |
| 19:42.26 | doc|work | I mean, we don't even know what it is really |
| 19:42.29 | summatusmentis | google has yet to announce how they plan to make money off of android |
| 19:42.31 | xzcvczx | doc|work: well google earth they do... its all one year subs, |
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| 19:42.38 | balrog-kun | xzcvczx: how would google get the money from you using their free software? |
| 19:42.53 | xzcvczx | balrog-kun: indirectly through advertising |
| 19:43.38 | Bardack | at the moment no abraxa_ |
| 19:43.41 | balrog-kun | well, that's ok with me, if i'm running free software and can modify it if i want |
| 19:43.46 | xzcvczx | doc|work: all their business services are all 1 year as well |
| 19:43.47 | torpor | yo |
| 19:43.52 | torpor | howdy folks |
| 19:43.54 | Bardack | I re-discover the project today (after a lot of months) |
| 19:44.02 | Bardack | and I am happy to see that it grows up |
| 19:44.13 | xzcvczx | balrog-kun: haha its not going to be that open otherwise its effectively useless |
| 19:44.20 | Bardack | and at the moment, I just decide to wait for the mass market version base |
| 19:44.22 | abraxa__ | Bardack: That's perfectly fine, was just curious since you were talking about shipping :) |
| 19:44.25 | xzcvczx | balrog-kun: if you read carefully it says it can be locked down |
| 19:44.46 | Bardack | but I search after the price for transport to belgium |
| 19:45.01 | summatusmentis | is there any way to look at progress being made by OM? |
| 19:45.09 | torpor | summatusmentis: scap.linuxtogo.org |
| 19:45.11 | xzcvczx | the wiki |
| 19:45.17 | puckett | Android is going to be more of a threat to Symbian and Microsoft/WinMo than to OM. |
| 19:45.18 | torpor | planet.openmoko.com |
| 19:45.19 | doc|work | Bardack: you can check the price on the site. Should be the same as the current phone. |
| 19:45.29 | torpor | also, using feedreader on the neo1973 itself is a nice surprise .. |
| 19:45.41 | Bardack | mmm I really don't want to start a troll but ... When I read the spcifications of the future Neo ... the iPhone will be totally distroy ^^ |
| 19:45.59 | Bardack | </troll> |
| 19:46.18 | xzcvczx | you mean the neo will destroy the iphone or iphone destroy neo |
| 19:46.24 | xzcvczx | ? |
| 19:46.39 | Bardack | neo better than iPhone |
| 19:46.42 | xzcvczx | ah ok |
| 19:46.49 | Bardack | but I don't want to start a troll :) |
| 19:47.32 | Bardack | about gps, some of you have already some informations? |
| 19:47.36 | torpor | its not there yet so why bother discussing it? |
| 19:47.54 | torpor | i look forward to all future new hardware that is cheap and affordable and can be made to do nice things. |
| 19:48.06 | xzcvczx | Bardack: what are you wanting to knoww.... the 02 has a different gps chip |
| 19:48.09 | |R | balrog-kun : and? compared to sirfIII or MTK? |
| 19:48.14 | balrog-kun | I like it much more than the Hammerhead |
| 19:48.34 | xzcvczx | balrog-kun: the hammerhead would be nice if an opensource driver got written for it..... |
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| 19:48.40 | balrog-kun | |R: i have no idea about the GPS part, but the protocls it supports for talking to the software look much more reasonable |
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| 19:48.56 | xzcvczx | balrog-kun: if you knew stuff like you exact height technically you could calculate your position better |
| 19:49.25 | xzcvczx | and the hammerhead is rather good at picking up lites as well |
| 19:49.28 | |R | balrog-kun : oh, good then :) |
| 19:49.31 | balrog-kun | according to the datasheet (as every datasheet on earth) it's the best, most robust, most usable, most power efficient etc etc chip, but the protocols part looks reasonable |
| 19:50.08 | Bardack | 55$ USD , transport to belgium |
| 19:50.11 | Bardack | good |
| 19:50.16 | balrog-kun | it's got some SmartSomething deature for indoor work |
| 19:50.23 | balrog-kun | *feature |
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| 19:51.11 | |R | yeah, and WAAS/EGNOS support it seems :) |
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| 19:54.00 | balrog-kun | it does the standard NMEA protocol and can be switched to a proprietary protocol defined by the manufacturer but I could find the docs for this one on google also, and gpsd (code on sf.net) has partial support for this second protocol too |
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| 20:10.22 | duffyd | hi, just downloaded the snapshots from buildhost.automated.it for 2/november but the xserver doesn't seem to load. Anyone know if the 5 nov are any better? |
| 20:11.20 | cjb | (hm, do I want openmoko-devel-image-fic, or openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk?) |
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| 20:17.15 | duffyd | btw where is the page that describes bugs in the snapshots (plz)? |
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| 20:19.42 | dread | duffyd: do you search for http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing ? |
| 20:20.00 | xzcvczx | lol @ planet about google os |
| 20:20.21 | duffyd | xzcvczx: :D |
| 20:20.28 | xzcvczx | they should just call it gossip and just need sip functionality in the os |
| 20:21.41 | duffyd | dread: thanks |
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| 20:36.51 | cjb | duffyd: yes, rootfs from the 5th boots X |
| 20:37.22 | duffyd | cjb: great, thanks |
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| 20:42.04 | Bardack | good night all |
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| 20:49.38 | cjb | .. although it's not registering with the cell network for me. wonder why. |
| 20:51.34 | ScaredyCat | anyone know how to change that butt ugly clock ? |
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| 20:52.12 | abraxa_ | ScaredyCat: You mean the digital one? |
| 20:52.16 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 20:52.29 | abraxa_ | dbus-launch gconftool-2 -t bool -s /desktop/poky/interface/digital_clock false |
| 20:52.38 | ScaredyCat | ta |
| 20:52.42 | abraxa_ | No prob |
| 20:53.23 | ScaredyCat | does it require a restart .. |
| 20:53.31 | ScaredyCat | of today |
| 20:54.08 | abraxa_ | Yeah, unfortuantely |
| 20:54.45 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 20:55.03 | ScaredyCat | that's a bit Windows |
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| 20:55.58 | abraxa_ | Blame d-bus and its inability to propagate key changes over sessions |
| 20:56.03 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: nah it would require a complete phone reboot if it was win |
| 20:56.45 | ScaredyCat | abraxa_: surely it's the application that's at fault, not dbus.. |
| 20:57.05 | abraxa_ | Actually, it is d-bus |
| 20:57.13 | abraxa_ | I have the same prob with the media player |
| 20:57.45 | ScaredyCat | then why use dbus.. hell just touch a file and have the app test for it - crappy, but it'd work better |
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| 20:58.31 | ScaredyCat | mind you, just using my brain I switched on the analog clock |
| 20:58.33 | abraxa_ | It works within the same d-bus session so it works just fine on the device itself - just not over ssh |
| 20:59.27 | ScaredyCat | using right, ok... so the app needs to have the 'turn clock on/off" menus |
| 20:59.44 | abraxa_ | Or some other preferences app, yep |
| 20:59.53 | ScaredyCat | ok... |
| 21:00.11 | ScaredyCat | apps menu is broken |
| 21:00.15 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 21:00.20 | abraxa_ | In what way? |
| 21:00.44 | ScaredyCat | there seems to be media, games, settings, other |
| 21:00.52 | ScaredyCat | only media and games have anythign in |
| 21:01.07 | ScaredyCat | you only see the other apps if you click the search icon |
| 21:02.06 | ScaredyCat | so what are the other config options via dbus then... did I miss some documentation ? |
| 21:02.43 | abraxa_ | Nope, you didn't |
| 21:02.56 | pH5 | ScaredyCat: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=985 ? |
| 21:03.34 | ScaredyCat | yup pH5 |
| 21:03.43 | abraxa_ | ScaredyCat: "dbus-launch gconftool-2 -R /" shows you everything GConf has to offer |
| 21:04.07 | ScaredyCat | ta |
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| 21:05.01 | ScaredyCat | whooaoaa lots! |
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| 21:12.50 | duffyd | any further ideas why cjb's download of the latest ScaredyCat images doesn't register with cell network? |
| 21:12.59 | duffyd | is this a common issue? |
| 21:13.05 | ScaredyCat | errm... no... |
| 21:13.14 | ScaredyCat | I just installed it and it registered here |
| 21:13.56 | ScaredyCat | you sure it's 'not' registering, and it's not just the icon? |
| 21:15.09 | ScaredyCat | I still have the '?' icon but can make calls |
| 21:15.55 | mjr | repeat: "I get that too. If I initialize the gsm modem through libgsmd-tool and register onto the network, after that it works for me..." |
| 21:16.38 | ScaredyCat | I didn't have to do any of that |
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| 21:17.40 | duffyd | mmm, ok |
| 21:18.46 | ScaredyCat | duffyd: have you tried to make a call ? |
| 21:19.40 | CM | Bah, cleaning the apartment sucks.. I want to play with my Neo too.. :P |
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| 21:19.53 | ScaredyCat | that's what a wife is for. |
| 21:19.59 | ScaredyCat | well one of the things |
| 21:20.10 | CM | ScaredyCat: Why do you think I'm selling this one and moving to Stockholm? ;) |
| 21:20.15 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 21:20.16 | duffyd | ScaredyCat: lol. Anyways, I've tried nothing yet - just confirming before I download the images :) |
| 21:20.26 | CM | ScaredyCat: No need to duck, I doubt your wife is in here.. ;) |
| 21:20.44 | ScaredyCat | CM: but she is real, honest. |
| 21:20.55 | CM | Hehe.. Sure, so they say.. |
| 21:20.57 | CM | ;-) |
| 21:21.05 | mjr | jpegs are people too! |
| 21:21.09 | duffyd | ScaredyCat: :) |
| 21:21.11 | duffyd | lol |
| 21:21.14 | ScaredyCat | hehe, yeah, that picture on my desk, I found it on the internet |
| 21:21.21 | CM | Hehe |
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| 21:29.44 | Stephmw | evenin' chaps |
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| 21:32.20 | jadams | hey hey |
| 21:33.12 | jadams | so I just loaded scaredycat-openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01.jffs2 onto my rootfs, and oddity ensued...like I had the media player, but no applications list (media, software, games, settings were all there) |
| 21:33.19 | jadams | that may be the regression I saw mentioned? |
| 21:33.44 | ScaredyCat | wel[2007-11-05 21:01:30] <pH5> ScaredyCat: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=985 ? |
| 21:33.56 | ScaredyCat | for you jadams |
| 21:34.30 | jadams | ScaredyCat, rule |
| 21:35.36 | jadams | I've been running the qtopia image for a little bit, this is my dip back into openmoko |
| 21:35.46 | jadams | still haven't gotten to a point where I'm comfy using it as my phone though |
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| 21:37.28 | rwhitby | morning all |
| 21:37.47 | rwhitby | I expected to see an empty channel, with everyone moved to #android ... |
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| 21:39.18 | woglinde | hi ljp |
| 21:40.22 | duffyd | rwhitby: lol |
| 21:46.20 | Ghiottone | hola guys |
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| 21:50.08 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 21:50.22 | Ghiottone | ehehe |
| 21:50.35 | Ghiottone | rwhitby, do you have commit permissions to OE? |
| 21:51.13 | zecke|ma1h | Ghiottone: everyone can commit, but rwhitby can even push to the servers |
| 21:51.28 | Ghiottone | oh |
| 21:51.46 | abraxa_ | zecke|ma1h: "push to the servers"? |
| 21:51.52 | Ghiottone | I have opened a bug to have ipkgorphan in. |
| 21:53.10 | Ghiottone | mickey|lunch said he was going to commit it after a few changes in the recipe and source code. |
| 21:53.44 | balrog-kun | probably in monotone terminology |
| 21:53.57 | balrog-kun | mono-speak |
| 21:54.01 | Ghiottone | I have done those changes (the bug is http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2954) |
| 21:54.13 | Ghiottone | zecke|ma1h, how come everyone can commit? |
| 21:54.29 | zecke|ma1h | Ghiottone: decentral system? |
| 21:54.41 | Ghiottone | zecke|ma1h, does it mean I could do it by myself? |
| 21:55.12 | XorA|gone | Ghiottone: you can commit, you cant push |
| 21:55.23 | XorA|gone | Ghiottone: commit only affects your local db |
| 21:55.58 | Ghiottone | ah in that sense. I see |
| 21:56.10 | balrog-kun | in git you can also commit locally, but if someone asked me if i can commit i would know he means push right |
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| 22:03.09 | Ghiottone | woohooo I got navit build from cvs! |
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| 22:10.35 | dtx | So what do people think about the Open Handset Alliance? |
| 22:10.49 | SpeedEvil | We've already sent in the ninjas. |
| 22:11.33 | abraxa_ | And some pirates to support. |
| 22:11.53 | dtx | Is OpenMoko gonna support their stack too? |
| 22:13.10 | CM | I think it looks like openmoko will be the truly open phone os (with qtopia now) and Android more like a more open iPhone |
| 22:13.16 | pH5 | dtx: until nov 12 it's all just marketing fluff, so nothing to think about it until then. |
| 22:14.45 | dtx | Eh |
| 22:14.52 | dtx | I'm just glad to see openness spreading |
| 22:14.56 | dtx | one way or the other |
| 22:15.18 | CM | dtx: I'm hoping we can run gphone programs on openmoko too |
| 22:15.19 | dtx | But I still look forward to getting my Neo |
| 22:15.33 | dtx | Its supposedly 100% Apache licensed |
| 22:15.34 | CM | I just wonder what kind of vm they will use |
| 22:15.40 | CM | yes, v2 |
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| 22:18.07 | Mek | this situation has a lot of resemblance to when qtopia was just completely gpl-ed :) |
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| 22:20.56 | xzcvczx | Mek: when did that happen? |
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| 22:22.19 | Mek | some months ago... this channel and the lists where flooded with people telling us it was the end of openmoko... |
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| 22:25.26 | kristian-m | well we've got 6 months to assimilate them... :-) |
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| 23:07.31 | infernix | does anyone have a clue about how android could (will?) relate to openmoko, if at all? |
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| 23:07.49 | infernix | it strikes me as the same goal but as with all OS projects, will it blend[tm]? |
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| 23:08.31 | CM | infernix: No one knows much yet, but it's surely not as open as openmoko :) |
| 23:08.36 | |R | hehe |
| 23:08.45 | CM | Will be interesting to see what the SDK will be like next week.. |
| 23:09.04 | infernix | i would be disappointed if there would be no mutual benefit |
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| 23:09.27 | CM | infernix: I agree |
| 23:09.29 | infernix | not that competition is bad, though |
| 23:09.49 | ozarka | OM is "open" and Android is "truly open" according to the websites. |
| 23:10.02 | ozarka | So I guess Android wins on adverbs. |
| 23:10.11 | CM | Just hope that vm can run on openmoko too :) |
| 23:10.13 | infernix | vm? |
| 23:10.15 | |R | what's the main diff between apache v2 and BSD? |
| 23:10.23 | CM | infernix: Virtual Machine |
| 23:10.32 | infernix | you don't think the OS will run natively on hardware? |
| 23:10.38 | CM | infernix: Also, it's just my guess. I don't see Sun mentioned anywhere |
| 23:10.58 | CM | infernix: The OS will be linux, but they want to make it easy to develop applications |
| 23:11.00 | infernix | well there's already some htc phones that have been running linux |
| 23:11.06 | infernix | mh |
| 23:11.16 | ozarka | "Android is built on the open Linux Kernel. Furthermore, it utilizes a custom virtual machine that has been designed to optimize memory and hardware resources in a mobile environment." |
| 23:11.32 | infernix | d'oh |
| 23:11.34 | CM | ozarka: Ah, nice. Doesn't say what kind of vm? |
| 23:11.47 | ozarka | CM: Kind of left that part out. |
| 23:11.53 | CM | Hrmpf... |
| 23:11.55 | ozarka | Rumor has it that it will be Java. |
| 23:12.01 | CM | I thought so too |
| 23:12.03 | ozarka | But I didn't see Sun on the list. |
| 23:12.07 | CM | Exactly |
| 23:12.23 | ozarka | And the rumor comes from USA Today, so... |
| 23:13.17 | CM | Well, google does a lot of stuff using java and linux, so.. |
| 23:14.07 | |R | http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/resources/apache2.xml <- for those interested in apache vs bsd vs ... |
| 23:14.14 | ozarka | My prediction, the language will be C++, but in a virtual machine. |
| 23:14.26 | ozarka | Best of both worlds. :-) |
| 23:14.34 | ozarka | But they'll call it g++ |
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| 23:14.47 | CM | I'd rather have javascript.. :P |
| 23:15.10 | CM | What if it's Tamarin? |
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| 23:15.45 | kristian-m | cm i guess you're right - after reading what om had to say a while ago: http://gigaom.com/2007/09/03/google-phone-facts/ |
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| 23:40.23 | mickeyl | rwhitby: be kind and post an executive summary on your blog ;) |
| 23:40.29 | mickeyl | i need to work on OM |
| 23:40.35 | mickeyl | can't allow myself to be distracted now |
| 23:40.59 | rwhitby | mickeyl: they can't say anything till next week, so no need for you to go there yet. |
| 23:41.05 | mickeyl | thanks |
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| 23:52.03 | StylusEater | sweet...got my new image built from svn and flashed... |
| 23:52.19 | StylusEater | I like the big clock |
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