| 00:00.04 | mwester | Unfortunately, that's not how it ended up, so regardless of how uncomfortable the questions might be, there is a valid reason for people to ask about the frequency abilities of the GTA02 (and the GTA01 as well)... |
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| 00:02.42 | anrp | back in the good old days eh? |
| 00:03.00 | Ghiottone | roh, ok thanks |
| 00:03.28 | Ghiottone | anrp, I think that those function are for showing the stats (i.e. cat /proc/diskstats) but how about populating the data? |
| 00:03.56 | anrp | diskstats_show in genhd.c |
| 00:04.21 | anrp | it just uses generic disk stats already in the structures .. |
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| 00:07.16 | mmontour | Ghiottone: I could probably write you a GPS demo that could figure out which continent you were on |
| 00:07.53 | anrp | the precision you can get these days, its amazing D: |
| 00:08.02 | Ghiottone | eheheh |
| 00:08.17 | Ghiottone | well mmontour it could be helpful thanks |
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| 00:09.00 | mmontour | You'd also have to be outdoors with a good view of the sky for it to work. |
| 00:10.28 | Ghiottone | mmontour, will it keep it info for some time? |
| 00:10.30 | mmontour | anrp: So far nobody's managed to extract the GPS navigation message, so you can only measure the Doppler freq of the carriers |
| 00:10.34 | Ghiottone | s/it/its |
| 00:11.05 | anrp | yeah, i know :/ |
| 00:11.09 | gamin | Ghiottone: will you be at the telemobilityforum? |
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| 00:12.10 | mmontour | Ghiottone: I haven't written this program yet, but I have bits and pieces from my reverse-engineering testing |
| 00:13.09 | Ghiottone | gamin, most probably |
| 00:15.50 | mwester | abraxa_: the patched kernel is uploaded, so go ahead and test whenever you get around to it. I'll try to keep that patch updated as the kernel evolves. :) |
| 00:16.09 | abraxa_ | mwester: Thanks, it's certainly appreciated :) |
| 00:16.44 | gamin | Ghiottone: duh, two weeks ahead they only have the conference program of 2006 on their website... |
| 00:16.54 | Ghiottone | gamin, there will be another person from our community from italy as well |
| 00:17.03 | Ghiottone | gamin, will you be there too? |
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| 00:20.03 | gamin | Ghiottone: I may be crossing italy from venice to torino, so I may just drop by |
| 00:20.41 | Ghiottone | day is 15 november iirc |
| 00:20.49 | gamin | yep, saw that |
| 00:21.03 | gamin | 14th and 15th |
| 00:21.14 | Ghiottone | I'll be there only on the second day. |
| 00:22.31 | Ghiottone | we have been invited by a founder of gfoss.it (which stands for geospatial free and open source software) |
| 00:23.17 | roh | hm.. there seem to be quite some conferences in italy recently |
| 00:23.39 | Ghiottone | what others? |
| 00:23.41 | roh | too bad its so much hassle to travel there |
| 00:23.49 | roh | something in merano i think |
| 00:24.08 | gamin | merano is not overly a conference town... |
| 00:24.59 | Ghiottone | roh what was it about? |
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| 00:26.38 | mwester | I had no troubles getting into Italy some years back. Is elsewhere in Europe even easier? |
| 00:27.54 | Ghiottone | eheh |
| 00:28.08 | Ghiottone | roh are you talking about http://sfscon.it/2007/ ? |
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| 00:35.50 | roh | Ghiottone yap.. i think thats it.. but michael is elsewhere and i am not really a speaker and 13hours minimal traveltime sounds shocking.. thats what i need to taipeh |
| 00:38.05 | anrp | 13 hours? |
| 00:38.08 | anrp | that's nothing :P |
| 00:38.14 | anrp | 24 hours to singapore for me! |
| 00:38.18 | anrp | ... it fucking sucked |
| 00:38.22 | roh | irgh |
| 00:38.35 | gamin | anrp: you live on the south pole? ;) |
| 00:38.49 | anrp | i flew the wrong way |
| 00:38.52 | anrp | it was cheaper, i guess |
| 00:38.55 | anrp | business |
| 00:38.56 | roh | well.. if it was without changing the transport and they give me power and ip to the rest of the planet, no thing |
| 00:39.01 | Ghiottone | lol |
| 00:39.08 | anrp | er business trip |
| 00:39.10 | anrp | cattle class |
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| 00:40.02 | Ghiottone | roh unfortunately merano is far from every part of italy... four hours for me |
| 00:40.18 | gamin | Ghiottone: yep... |
| 00:40.44 | Ghiottone | pity because it could be a place where to meet lot of Moko developers |
| 00:41.03 | gamin | you think so? |
| 00:41.13 | gamin | maybe some people from munich.. |
| 00:41.38 | roh | Ghiottone dunno... we got asked but i don't know if we could find any time |
| 00:41.59 | gamin | but good speakers for such an out of nowhere location |
| 00:42.19 | Ghiottone | yeah it is a location near to other european states |
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| 00:43.18 | Ghiottone | well I hope there will be more occasions soon. |
| 00:43.44 | roh | Ghiottone well. on the Chaos Communication Congress we will have a lot of moko folks |
| 00:44.27 | roh | http://events.ccc.de/congress/2007/ |
| 00:47.27 | roh | if it only would be that easy *g* |
| 00:47.48 | Ghiottone | ehehhe |
| 00:48.10 | nbd | yeah, if you threaten a lawyer with weapons, he might work on a lawsuit against you instead ;) |
| 00:48.13 | mwester | ;) You could force the lawyer to spend some time on IRC, where he would get subjected to the same grief and trouble we give you, roh! :D |
| 00:48.31 | roh | openmoko is a marathon, no sprint |
| 00:49.13 | Ghiottone | roh, interesting, I'll have a look if there are cheap fly to berlin from pisa :) |
| 00:49.33 | Ghiottone | roh if only my gf would be interested in new year's eve there ... |
| 00:50.00 | gamin | so you live in tuscany |
| 00:50.05 | Ghiottone | yes |
| 00:50.17 | Ghiottone | live and work in pisa, but born near siena |
| 00:50.22 | roh | well.. i can give you some very good tips where to party in berlin ;) (who would have guessed that!!1!) |
| 00:50.28 | mwester | hey, my company is sending me to an onsite "technology show" at Motorola... do you think anyone there would recognize the Neo if I took it along? ;) :D |
| 00:51.10 | Ghiottone | mwester, I have been recognize using it on the train here in italy, a couple of months ago |
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| 00:51.45 | mwester | Ghiottone: My family and I stayed for a week very near Lucca -- my wife wants to live there now. :) |
| 00:51.47 | roh | especially on new-years-eve there will be a party which will kill all boundaries.. |
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| 00:52.42 | Ghiottone | roh, oh great. I went to have one in London in 2001 IIRC but was very disappointed as there was absolutely nothing in the city |
| 00:53.36 | Ghiottone | mwester, really? very nice! just ping me whenever you'll get back! |
| 00:54.13 | Ghiottone | mwester, were you on holidays? |
| 00:54.51 | mwester | Yes, holidays. It was a great trip. |
| 00:55.10 | mwester | (except the layover in Heathrow for 9 hours was not so much fun.) |
| 00:55.22 | Ghiottone | argh |
| 01:01.03 | nelson | 9 hour layover in Heathrow == Heathrow Express into downtown + visit to Science Museum. |
| 01:01.34 | nelson | It helps to have a friend in town as a native guide. |
| 01:01.49 | nelson | Last time I was there I visited Henry Spencer's grave. |
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| 01:05.02 | Ghiottone | going to be. goodnight all |
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| 01:10.39 | nelson | Hmmm..... TimRiker appears at the same time Ghiottone leaves. And has anybody ever seen them in the same room, hmmmmm?? |
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| 02:36.49 | StylusEater | hi. |
| 02:37.44 | StylusEater | I've noticed I'm root for everything on the neo... Is there an active discussion I might have missed on the wiki and mailing lists about creating a seperate (non-root) user executing through sudo or another method? |
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| 02:52.56 | roh | StylusEater there was a discussion somewhere. it boils down to 'will be done when its time for that' |
| 02:53.35 | roh | so.. when it works, we can still fiddle out that details. |
| 02:58.13 | StylusEater | roh: ok. figured as much but wanted clarification. thanks. |
| 02:58.21 | StylusEater | roh: is there a thread on the wiki? |
| 02:59.10 | nelson | has anybody else tried today's kernel/rootfs release from mwester ? |
| 02:59.49 | nelson | I get a "respawning too fast" error, which usually means that some long-term process which init is trying to bring up is immediately exiting. |
| 03:01.56 | StylusEater | nelson: I have not, sorry. |
| 03:05.16 | nelson | Ugh. So we'll add security later? Not sure that's such a great idea. |
| 03:05.50 | StylusEater | nelson: it's necessary to a degree. |
| 03:07.15 | StylusEater | nelson: there is a lot to do... I had what a similar thought that it should be engineered into the process from the start, but I haven't added a single line of code, yet, so I can't really kick and scream about that...you know? |
| 03:07.41 | Writchie | mwester: ping |
| 03:10.08 | roh | StylusEater sorry.. dunno |
| 03:14.29 | mwester | Writchie: pong! |
| 03:15.17 | Writchie | is it really true that the reset on modem is not really there despite what's in the shell script |
| 03:16.26 | mwester | That depends on what version of GTA01. Any GTA01 that was purchased does not have the reset line connected. |
| 03:17.09 | mwester | Some of the earlier ones did, but a problem was discovered where the reset line was glitching the modem in some cases, so it was disconnected in the final version of the hardware. |
| 03:17.21 | Writchie | mwester: hmmm - then if power on reset doesn't work we're screwed. |
| 03:17.49 | Writchie | once the mux is running the power off command needs to be sent through a DLC |
| 03:19.05 | mwester | Power on is also iffy -- the IO pin that powers on just triggers the modem to power-on, turning off that IO pin does nothing :( And to make matters still more interesting, the GSM modem is wired to the battery side of the power managment chip, so powering off the device doesn't power off the GSM modem. |
| 03:20.30 | nelson | mwester: maybe they should produce a new version of the hardware, and include wifi, and an open GPS receiver. |
| 03:20.52 | mwester | Perhaps a strategically-placed string, with instructions to "yank here in case of need to power off", would enable the user to pull off the case and battery in one smooth motion :) |
| 03:21.06 | mwester | nelson: you'll be paying for the replacement? |
| 03:21.13 | Writchie | no excuse for no reset on modem. |
| 03:21.52 | mwester | I was worried about the mux part. |
| 03:22.08 | Writchie | i hope the modem doesn't autobaud |
| 03:22.17 | mwester | It means that if something goes wrong, and gets out of sync, there's absolutely NO way to recover short of removing the battery. |
| 03:22.39 | Writchie | mwester: something will go wrong - no doubt. |
| 03:22.52 | nelson | mwester: I expect I will be paying for a replacement, yes. |
| 03:22.53 | mwester | Heh! No it won't. We write perfect code. |
| 03:23.01 | Writchie | the mux seems to work ok so far and comes in and out of mux state without problems. |
| 03:23.13 | Writchie | my mux that is |
| 03:24.15 | mwester | I was hoping that one of the core team with access to TI docs might be able to tell us if there's some sequence, such as something involving sending a break signal, that might reset the modem. |
| 03:24.57 | Writchie | mwester: what makes you think the calypso itself is crash free! |
| 03:25.41 | mwester | Er... because they too write perfect code? |
| 03:26.07 | mwester | (who needs to check for null pointers?? Of course it will *never* be null!) |
| 03:26.49 | nelson | bzzzt wrong. |
| 03:27.51 | mwester | Hmm... I just got a response on the mailing list. Apparently the modem *does* pay attention to an off->on transition on the GPIO power line, even when on, and resets. That's very good news. |
| 03:28.00 | roh | ive replied to the mail on gsm-devel... please read for details ;) |
| 03:28.19 | mwester | Ah, so that's you, roh -- thank you!!! |
| 03:28.53 | mwester | That's exactly the information I need. |
| 03:30.01 | Writchie | the sequent will not always work - in fact its guaranteed not to work when in the mux mode. |
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| 03:30.41 | mwester | Oh. |
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| 03:31.19 | mwester | You mean the power signal off->on transition, or the AT@POFF while in MUX mode? |
| 03:31.22 | Writchie | mwester: howere, if you preceed it with 0x7e 0x03, 0x53, 0xDB 0x7E this should close down the mux |
| 03:31.57 | Writchie | i'll test this tommorrow |
| 03:32.26 | Writchie | again- if the modem autobauds it could be in any speed. |
| 03:32.43 | Writchie | there are 7 valid speeds for the mux for example. |
| 03:33.09 | Writchie | roh: do you know off-hand if the modem is autobauded or hardwired |
| 03:35.45 | roh | Writchie nope. i know it has hw-flowcontrol |
| 03:36.20 | mwester | Ooh - yeah, that's also going to be delicate from inside the kernel... |
| 03:36.38 | Writchie | mwester: why do it in the kernel |
| 03:37.46 | Writchie | mwester: ok - i tried the above DISC command in command interpreter mode and it is benign. |
| 03:37.51 | roh | the mux should be in the kernel because of things like gprs as far as i understood till now |
| 03:38.19 | mwester | On the assumption that user space completely crashed on us, and that the user wishes to power off -- we can't leave the modem on, if only so that it doesn't suck the battery dry. |
| 03:38.51 | roh | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko#TS07.10 has a graphic |
| 03:39.24 | mwester | The alternative is to reboot the device back up, then do an orderly shutdown in order to get it to power off the modem. I guess that might be ok, but it doesn't "feel right" to me. |
| 03:39.57 | roh | the userland just got restructured a bit (below gsmd in that picture).. kernel should still apply |
| 03:39.58 | Writchie | mwester: in normal use case the neo will sleep with the modem on |
| 03:40.30 | mwester | Right, but I'm considering the power-off state, not the sleep state. |
| 03:40.35 | roh | please note that this whole document is _really_ old |
| 03:40.46 | Writchie | roh: there are two schools of thought on userland versus kernel for the mux - in any case we need a working mux first. |
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| 03:40.59 | Writchie | and that means user land |
| 03:41.07 | Writchie | it can be moved to the kernel later |
| 03:41.27 | roh | Writchie ack. the reason was afaik delaytime with higher rates with 3g (later) afaik |
| 03:41.47 | Writchie | roh: ack - but it will need to be usb then |
| 03:42.04 | Writchie | HSDPA will need to be usb to the modem |
| 03:42.13 | Writchie | INHO anyway |
| 03:42.15 | mwester | It's a pretty picture. I'd still like for there to be a "power-down the gsm modem, right now, and don't ask any questions" function down at the serial device driver level. |
| 03:42.39 | roh | Writchie there were some ldisc and mux drivers on gsmd-devel.. but it didnt have a look at them yet |
| 03:42.58 | roh | Writchie usb would be ugly. much too power consuming. |
| 03:43.09 | Writchie | roh: i looked at some recent patches but they will never work - not even the right mode |
| 03:43.36 | Writchie | roh: not when wakeup/resume is handled correctly on both ends. |
| 03:43.45 | Writchie | BT does this |
| 03:44.15 | Writchie | serial just isn't going to hack it for HSDPA streams |
| 03:44.33 | Writchie | and moto does fine with USB to modem IIRC |
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| 03:45.03 | Writchie | in any case that's down the road. |
| 03:45.09 | roh | ack |
| 03:45.24 | Writchie | big issue in my mind ATM is sleep/resume |
| 03:45.52 | roh | jap. |
| 03:46.24 | roh | the modem should issue a wake-up irq as soon as the flow control lines signal the app-cpu cannot recieve and the modem wants to transmit |
| 03:46.43 | roh | atleast thats what i know off-hand |
| 03:47.25 | Writchie | i'll find out tommorrow if the mux power down mode actually works or not. |
| 03:47.43 | roh | power down of the modem.. aaah |
| 03:47.46 | Writchie | wakeup is supposed to be a stream of flags until the other end responds |
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| 03:48.26 | roh | flags? |
| 03:48.43 | Writchie | the mux uses an HDLC like link level protocol |
| 03:48.44 | mwester | Well, I think it's not unreasonable at present that we power down the modem when "/etc/init.d/gsmd stop" is issued -- can we agree on that at least? |
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| 03:49.09 | Writchie | mwester: only if it comes back ;) |
| 03:49.22 | roh | mwester: not really.. for gprs usage people stop gsmd and use it directly with ppp |
| 03:49.37 | mwester | ah, ok. |
| 03:49.49 | Writchie | qtopia doesn't even use gsmd |
| 03:50.04 | Writchie | i'd prefer that the daemon take care of it all |
| 03:50.15 | roh | but thats just now.. |
| 03:50.31 | roh | Writchie i am not yet decided.. eventually we need both |
| 03:50.51 | roh | i just am thinking if there is any reason to reboot the app cpu and not the gsm |
| 03:51.20 | Writchie | roh: yes - the gsm can handle SMS by itself for example |
| 03:52.15 | Writchie | however, its bad practice generally to leave a radio running without an app processor functional. |
| 03:52.45 | mwester | Especially when one has powered off the phone, and is entering a blast zone at the local construction site... ;) |
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| 03:53.21 | Writchie | and WTF is transmit only mode? |
| 03:55.05 | mwester | Doesn't seem useful to me, but there must be some point to it. |
| 03:57.26 | doc|home | hmmm, so the hxd8 isn't gonig to be a phone (primarily)? |
| 03:57.32 | nelson | mwester: does your 10/31 kernel and rootfs work for you? |
| 03:57.56 | mwester | The kernel is magnificent ;) but the rootfs stinks. |
| 03:58.01 | Writchie | the neo is going to have to resume periodically to assess the battery condition and decide whether to shutdown the GSM. |
| 03:58.21 | mwester | Writchie: that's in sleep mode, right? |
| 03:58.27 | nelson | mwester: init keeps saying that id "1" is respawning too fast. |
| 03:58.57 | mwester | nelson: I don't see that problem, on mine the vendor plugins are missing for gsmd. |
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| 03:58.57 | Writchie | mwester: yes - sleep with a timer that re-awakens every minute or so to assess conditions |
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| 03:59.33 | Writchie | mwester: when battery gets low you first try a loud beep each minute for a few minutes. |
| 03:59.48 | raster | bah |
| 03:59.50 | raster | thats no fun |
| 03:59.53 | Writchie | then if no power comes back from the user you shutdown. |
| 03:59.54 | raster | when battery goes low |
| 04:00.02 | raster | rm -rf / |
| 04:00.07 | raster | save power by deleting files |
| 04:00.14 | raster | less files to suck up power |
| 04:00.16 | raster | :) |
| 04:02.54 | roh | Writchie actually i would suspect the pmu has programmable irq on battery low.. |
| 04:03.13 | roh | Writchie and the rtc is also in there.. |
| 04:03.17 | freelock | Argh! the Aux button on my neo broke... |
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| 04:03.19 | nelson | mwester: weird. |
| 04:04.52 | Writchie | roh: may be too late? |
| 04:05.30 | mwester | Isn't roh in .de? It's definitely late for him, then! |
| 04:06.06 | nelson | sleep is overrated |
| 04:06.16 | Writchie | mwester: toggling power on seems to work fine to reset the modem on GTA01vb4 |
| 04:07.19 | Writchie | mwester: even works from the mux state. |
| 04:07.31 | roh | its 5:07am |
| 04:07.50 | Writchie | so it would seem best way to shutdown modem is to reset it first and then issue a power down command. |
| 04:08.03 | Writchie | this should work from any state. |
| 04:08.24 | Writchie | reset by toggling power off then on |
| 04:08.55 | Writchie | it appear that rising edge of power on signal also functions as a reset |
| 04:09.08 | Writchie | and it comes up running at 115200 bps |
| 04:10.02 | roh | bbl.. need to move now |
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| 04:14.35 | mwester | Ouch. It seems that for some reason gsmd-plugins is not part of the rootfs anymore. I think that's an error, but I'll rebuild the image and see if that makes it work again. |
| 04:15.06 | mwester | Writchie: That's good news. There's a way, then, to reset it (and therefore power it off if that's what the user wants) |
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| 04:19.19 | Writchie | mwester: this should probably be done on every shutdown |
| 04:19.32 | Writchie | leaving the modem on drains the battery to zero. |
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| 04:22.03 | Writchie | mwester: there are potential problems with the stty state - depending on what's been done. |
| 04:22.53 | Writchie | probably the most reliable way is a small program to shut down the modem independant of the state of the stty |
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| 04:23.16 | Writchie | i'll probably do this tommorow. |
| 04:23.37 | Writchie | Writchie|zzzZZzz |
| 04:24.36 | mwester | Writchie: A good start might be to just have such a program run as one of the last init.d scripts to run on shutdown. |
| 04:24.45 | Writchie|zzzZZzz | yes |
| 04:24.52 | mwester | later! |
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| 06:15.32 | CM | Oh, nice findings Writchie|zzzZZzz :) |
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| 09:23.31 | mickeyl | nah ;) |
| 09:23.40 | mbuf | need coffee |
| 09:23.47 | mickeyl | good plan |
| 09:26.06 | XorA | hurd on Neo :-D |
| 09:26.47 | mbuf | XorA, i've not heard of it :) |
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| 09:31.57 | flexd | Hey! |
| 09:33.38 | flexd | I was just wondering, (i could probably find this at the wiki tbh), has anyone been able to make calls with the phone in norway yet? :) and currently what phase of the roadmap is the project/phone in? :) |
| 09:34.28 | mbuf | fletch, i did |
| 09:34.31 | berkus | gsmd doesn't work here. dunno about norway. |
| 09:34.45 | mbuf | fletch, Telenor |
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| 09:35.19 | flexd | mbuf: it's flexd :p, and okay, i've got netcom atm will probably work then i guess |
| 09:35.22 | flexd | same net |
| 09:36.31 | abraxa_ | Aloha mickey :) |
| 09:36.40 | mbuf | flexd, did it manually, not dialer |
| 09:36.46 | flexd | Hmmm |
| 09:37.01 | mickeyl | cheereo Miss Sophie |
| 09:37.14 | abraxa_ | mickey: I saw you were pinging me before you left .tw - is that still of importance? |
| 09:37.41 | mickeyl | abraxa_: if i knew why i pinged you, probably |
| 09:37.47 | mickeyl | i completely forgot |
| 09:38.31 | abraxa_ | heh :) |
| 09:38.35 | abraxa_ | Alrighty |
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| 09:39.59 | abraxa_ | mickeyl: Had a "good" flight at least? |
| 09:40.03 | flexd | I'm somewhat semi-decent at programming, (some c++ and python), and this phone really got me interested, i feel like buying one |
| 09:41.01 | flexd | but i'm not sure if i should wait for the "less-developer" version to be released, I'm not sure i'l be able to make something/contribute enough compared to just fiddling with it and making small stuff once it's released :/ |
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| 09:43.48 | gi-el | flexd: in all honesty, i would wait ;) |
| 09:44.47 | flexd | gi-el: that's what i thought too ;) |
| 09:45.10 | flexd | is there a estimated release date for the 'less-dev'y version yet? :) |
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| 09:46.38 | hrw | morning |
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| 09:47.52 | gi-el | flexd: look at the topic |
| 09:48.45 | flexd | oh |
| 09:48.46 | flexd | shiny |
| 09:49.44 | flexd | gi-el: i'm sort of blind today, i feel like i'm on drugs but i've only had hot chocolate o_0 (really spaced out for some reason, i can sit and stare at my comp screen and it's really tiny and it feels like im really far away from it and falling o_0) |
| 09:50.02 | flexd | and i dont do drugs, it's just the openmoko awsomeness affecting me or something ;o |
| 09:50.41 | gi-el | oh yeah, i know that feeling |
| 09:50.49 | gi-el | the tiny, far away weirdness |
| 09:50.51 | flexd | yeah |
| 09:51.03 | flexd | like third time in two days it's happened, wonder what's up heh |
| 09:51.04 | gi-el | i sometimes even have that the characters in the terminal seem to be closer than the screen |
| 09:51.15 | flexd | it's kind of a nice feeling though |
| 09:51.20 | flexd | it's like drugs.. without drugs |
| 09:51.26 | gi-el | and i can read it perfectly and everything is okay, as long as i don't concentrate on the actual weirdness |
| 09:51.30 | gi-el | i thought i was the only one |
| 09:51.37 | flexd | ^_^ |
| 09:51.47 | flexd | it's a new ability, we're special. |
| 09:51.53 | gi-el | we're heroes :P |
| 09:52.14 | gi-el | alas, we have yet to figure out what to do with this awesome power |
| 09:53.15 | mickeyl | abraxa_: aaah, it came back to me |
| 09:53.39 | mickeyl | abraxa_: i wanted to tell you that i showed the mediaplayer to our new OM product manager and he really liked it. |
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| 09:56.26 | flexd | gi-el: we can make amazing programs |
| 09:56.42 | flexd | dunno if i can do that without the power (or with) |
| 09:56.57 | flexd | need more learning first,i'm only 19, no college degrees or anything yet ;o |
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| 10:08.02 | mickeyl | *sigh* |
| 10:08.05 | mickeyl | got a new monitor and guess what |
| 10:08.12 | mickeyl | my gfx card can't drive it |
| 10:09.12 | XorA | erp |
| 10:09.38 | XorA | I thought gfx cards these days were pretty versatile (unless you got suckered by ATI) |
| 10:10.03 | hrw | mickeyl: what monitor and what card? |
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| 10:10.59 | abraxa_ | mickeyl: Ohh, thanks =D - is that the clip mokoNinja posted on YouTube? |
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| 10:12.50 | mickeyl | abraxa_: let me check. you have an URI? |
| 10:12.58 | mickeyl | hrw XorA : Dell 2707 WFP |
| 10:13.01 | mickeyl | needs 1920x1200 |
| 10:13.08 | mickeyl | I have a G550 |
| 10:13.12 | mickeyl | max. 1280x1024 via DVI :/ |
| 10:13.22 | XorA | ah, 10 years old card :-) |
| 10:13.28 | XorA | upgrade mr mickey |
| 10:13.34 | mickeyl | heh |
| 10:13.37 | hrw | mickeyl: G550 is 5 eurocents now |
| 10:13.43 | hrw | mickeyl: time to upgrade |
| 10:13.48 | mickeyl | mmmrrr |
| 10:13.53 | mickeyl | new PC has been ordered |
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| 10:14.02 | mickeyl | this time a prebuilt one |
| 10:14.10 | mickeyl | i no longer have the time and interest to build a custom one |
| 10:14.15 | mickeyl | cultural shock ahead... |
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| 10:15.05 | abraxa_ | mickeyl: Yep, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BUMhJKlxJA |
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| 10:17.06 | mickeyl | abraxa_: yah, that's it. we recorded that the last day i was in the .tw office :) |
| 10:17.45 | XorA | hah hah, mokoNinja has sucky music tastes :-) |
| 10:17.46 | hrw | mickeyl: intel or amd? |
| 10:17.52 | mickeyl | hrw: intel core duo |
| 10:17.53 | mickeyl | 2 |
| 10:18.55 | hrw | tomorrow I will get amd64 x2 |
| 10:19.04 | hrw | only new cpu anyway |
| 10:20.31 | hrw | I prices upgrade to newer amd64 platform (AM2 socket instead of 939) and found it too expensive for now |
| 10:20.42 | abraxa_ | mickeyl: Ohhh! Hehe awesome. Thanks =) |
| 10:20.52 | XorA | seems to be about 500 gbp for a core 2 quad shuttle |
| 10:20.53 | mickeyl | abraxa_: you're welcome. it's all your work :) |
| 10:21.29 | Stephmw | mornin' |
| 10:21.44 | flexd | hrw: i'd get a c2d E6850 or Q6600 if your gonna buy a new cpu |
| 10:22.10 | XorA | flexd: I think you missed the point is has to fit in an amd64 socket |
| 10:22.14 | hrw | flexd: amd64x2 2.2GHz is <50% of any c2d |
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| 10:26.43 | flexd | XorA: indeed i did |
| 10:27.06 | flexd | hrw: the price you mean? sure, performance wise i'd choose a c2d :p |
| 10:27.26 | flexd | I've got a single core amd64 4000+ now, it's good enough for most things atm |
| 10:27.42 | XorA | my 3200+ amd64 is struggling these days |
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| 10:28.42 | flexd | hehe |
| 10:29.03 | flexd | i ran crysis at medium/high in XP with this processor :< (a bit laggy on the super heavy graphics parts though) |
| 10:29.20 | hrw | flexd: E6850 or Q6600 costs ~1000 PLN and fastest amd64 (6400+) is 800PLN |
| 10:30.00 | hrw | XorA: I have 3200+ now - will replace with 4200+ x2 |
| 10:30.19 | XorA | hrw: does 4200+ mean 2x 4200+ cores, or 2x 2400+ cores? |
| 10:30.38 | XorA | hrw: Ive seen damn webshops use both sets of figures, and the second is a pure lie |
| 10:31.12 | hrw | XorA: 4200+ means 4200+ |
| 10:32.05 | XorA | hrw: unfortuneately thats not true :-D |
| 10:32.15 | XorA | damn marketing people screw everthing up |
| 10:32.20 | mickeyl | word! |
| 10:36.04 | XorA | ~change 1000 pln to gbp |
| 10:36.34 | no_mind | ~no change |
| 10:38.25 | XorA | ah prices comparable to UK |
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| 10:52.50 | abhibera | what should i expect from OpenMoko? :) |
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| 10:54.35 | mickeyl | that's a good question |
| 10:54.48 | flexd | alot of fun |
| 10:54.51 | mickeyl | indeed |
| 10:54.53 | flexd | if you lihe this kind of stuff |
| 10:54.54 | flexd | i guess |
| 10:54.56 | mickeyl | flexibility to do what you like |
| 10:55.02 | mickeyl | if you not plan on hacking |
| 10:55.13 | mickeyl | then it makes no sense atm. |
| 10:55.18 | mickeyl | IMO |
| 10:56.11 | flexd | just one think im thinking about |
| 10:56.14 | flexd | is the phone laggy? |
| 10:56.19 | flexd | like menus and stuff |
| 10:56.39 | mickeyl | gta01, yes |
| 10:56.54 | mickeyl | gta02 should be a bit faster |
| 10:57.19 | flexd | just trying out the emulator now (and i know that probably doesnt represent the phone very well), but it's like super laggy :p |
| 10:57.50 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 10:57.51 | jeddy3 | emulator is superslow |
| 10:57.52 | mickeyl | define super |
| 10:58.08 | flexd | matrix slowmotion kind of super |
| 10:58.10 | mickeyl | how long does it take to start contacts on the emu? |
| 10:58.13 | mickeyl | in seconds |
| 10:58.50 | flexd | 9-15seconds? (i was just counting) |
| 10:58.59 | flexd | and that's with no contacts added |
| 10:59.20 | mickeyl | right, that's a bit slower than on the actual device |
| 10:59.33 | mickeyl | launching contacts takes about between 3 and 4 seconds here |
| 11:00.15 | flexd | stuff like pressing the main menu button and stuff even takes 1-2sec here :/ |
| 11:00.23 | flexd | (top left menu thing) |
| 11:01.14 | mickeyl | yeah, that's almost instantaneous on the device |
| 11:01.28 | mickeyl | so qemu might be about 3 to 4 times slower |
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| 11:05.11 | abhibera | hmmmm |
| 11:05.24 | abhibera | so it's a nice dev box huh? :) |
| 11:05.50 | abhibera | is it based on open embedded? will it work with Ubuntu? |
| 11:06.37 | abhibera | mickeyl: ? |
| 11:08.18 | flexd | hmm |
| 11:08.34 | flexd | i think if i buy one im gonna try to make something play with wlan and gps together :D |
| 11:09.10 | abhibera | flexd: what is the development platform? arm-toolchain? does it work with Ubuntu? |
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| 11:11.05 | abhibera | me wants to get one |
| 11:11.56 | mjr | openembedded, yes |
| 11:12.28 | mickeyl | OpenMoko is a distribution built using OpenEmbedded |
| 11:12.38 | mickeyl | yes, you can develop on most distros |
| 11:12.42 | mickeyl | i'm using Mandriva |
| 11:12.43 | guaqua | abhibera: it can be built on ubuntu, see wiki for more complete instructions |
| 11:13.05 | abhibera | guaqua: ok |
| 11:13.25 | abhibera | guaqua: where can i get one in India? :) |
| 11:13.36 | guaqua | a phone? |
| 11:13.46 | abhibera | guaqua: yes :) |
| 11:14.43 | guaqua | openmoko.com. they deliver. however, before ordering one, do some research so you can actually decide if you want a work in progress or would you rather wait and help do some software development at this stage |
| 11:15.07 | abhibera | guaqua: porting software is what i am interested in |
| 11:16.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 971 has been created by thomas(AT)openedhand.com |
| 11:16.02 | cdbot2 | * * OpenMoko restarts without warning |
| 11:16.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=971 |
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| 11:16.36 | abhibera | guaqua: the advanced kit is best for debugging. but just gdb is sufficient right? |
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| 11:18.05 | guaqua | the advanced kit basically is for uboot and kernel development |
| 11:18.42 | guaqua | and if you (or the images you load to your phone) accidentally brick it |
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| 11:22.20 | PBeck | hi |
| 11:22.38 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03andrew * r3316 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ (46 files in 7 dirs): Merge with :ext:balrog@cvs.savannah.nongnu.org:/sources/qemu |
| 11:31.04 | abhibera | guaqua: i brick my device all the time :) luckily i can load the kernel again by flash |
| 11:31.14 | abhibera | guaqua: www.amidasimputer.com |
| 11:31.37 | guaqua | looks sweet :) |
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| 11:33.00 | abhibera | guaqua: yea... but's it's pretty dated :( which is why i think open moko is good |
| 11:33.32 | abhibera | guaqua: trying to get swfdec working optimally on ARM. u know anyone who's already done it? |
| 11:33.54 | guaqua | i wouldn't know, but someone else might :) |
| 11:34.02 | abhibera | guaqua: do you know how good the new Neo 1973 is at doing video? |
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| 11:34.31 | guaqua | i don't have a device myself, so i rely on my info solely on what people talk here and what's in the wiki |
| 11:34.40 | guaqua | i'm sure someone will pick up from here |
| 11:34.58 | guaqua | brunch next :) |
| 11:35.03 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03andrew * r3317 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/hw/neo1973.c: Update neo1973 board init to new boot_devices handling. |
| 11:35.04 | mwester | XorA, mickeyl: I need to leave now - but thought someone with commit access might like to know that the openmoko image is missing gsmd-plugins in the most recent builds. |
| 11:35.30 | mwester | Gotta run! |
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| 11:36.02 | XorA | damn gsmd is the bane of everyones life :-) |
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| 11:38.12 | jeddy3 | abhibera, for native vga-video, not a chance...for more reasonable (imho) qvga-video, a non cpu-heavy codec, like mpeg2 might be feasible |
| 11:38.24 | Mek | abhibera: the GTA0w will have 2 accelerometers... |
| 11:38.31 | Mek | s/0w/02 |
| 11:38.37 | abhibera | jeddy3: how about FLASH? |
| 11:38.48 | abhibera | Mek: what's the GTA0w? when and where can i get it from? |
| 11:38.54 | Mek | GTA02 |
| 11:39.19 | Mek | and when it is available? hopefully by the end of this year... |
| 11:39.29 | abhibera | Mek: :( i want one now |
| 11:39.52 | thos | you don't want one now |
| 11:40.01 | thos | most of the drivers for it aren't even written yet |
| 11:40.16 | jeddy3 | abhibera, and with soon to be implemented qvga mode for lcd-display we might have a good solution there |
| 11:40.42 | abhibera | jeddy3: so should i get a Neo 1973? |
| 11:40.45 | jeddy3 | abhibera, flash: no idea |
| 11:40.58 | thos | abhibera: Neo1973 is both GTA01 and GTA02 |
| 11:41.08 | thos | the GTA names are code names for the different versions |
| 11:41.15 | abhibera | thos: oh.... i had no idea |
| 11:41.15 | jeddy3 | abhibera, thats entirely up to you...if you wan't a good video-solution...maybe not |
| 11:41.56 | abhibera | thos: so if i order a neo processor do i get now? iread somehwere that it's got an upgraded processor |
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| 11:43.01 | thos | abhibera: you'll have to rephrase that, I don't understand |
| 11:43.05 | mjr | GTA02 will have, it's not available yet |
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| 11:43.23 | abhibera | GTA02 :( |
| 11:43.28 | abhibera | i want one :( |
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| 11:44.13 | abhibera | how much flash memory/storage does the GTA01 have? |
| 11:44.27 | mjr | 64M |
| 11:45.30 | abhibera | mjr: then which one has 1GB? |
| 11:46.30 | zash | µSD-card? |
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| 11:47.28 | abhibera | zash: i was just reading somewhere that the neo got generous upgrades where 1GB was mentioned. let me find that article AGAIN |
| 11:50.55 | mjr | the GTA02 will have 256MB internal flash |
| 11:52.00 | mjr | at least GTA01s have shipped with an additional 512MB µSd, and you can get them currently at least up to 4 GB, very soon up to 8 GB |
| 11:53.35 | abhibera | mjr: ok then how much storage does it have? i mean how on earth did u manage to put GTK onto it? |
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| 11:53.53 | abhibera | i would also like to try gstreamer |
| 11:54.04 | mjr | flash == storage, in case you didn't know |
| 11:54.43 | mjr | the 64 MB on GTA01 is certainly getting a bit cramped, but it does use a compressed filesystem |
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| 11:55.20 | SWAT | GTA02 will be the 'end-user' version or the 'end-user'+1 version? |
| 11:55.27 | mjr | end-user |
| 11:55.41 | mjr | hopefully available at end of the year |
| 11:56.35 | hrw | mjr: not all gta01 were shipped with uSD card and not all with 512M one |
| 11:56.48 | mjr | hrw, okay, didn't know that |
| 11:56.51 | SWAT | technical ready and production-ready is a difference. I hope it will be there with Christmas. |
| 11:57.07 | hrw | mjr: my gta01bv3 came with 128M one, gta01bv4 without any (but it was as upgrade of bv3) |
| 11:57.08 | abhibera | mjr: hmmmm...... |
| 11:58.54 | mjr | hrw, okay, phase0 then |
| 11:59.10 | SWAT | I was looking to buy a new phone, the ones with a stylus have Windows Mobile (don't want that) and remembered that this project was still 'out there'. I just hope I can use my phone to: receive/send calls/sms/mms, use custom ringtones and sync it with my desktop |
| 11:59.17 | abhibera | mjr: but there is GTK on it right? |
| 11:59.43 | abhibera | SWAT Windoze SUCKS! can u believe even their Phones get viruses!?!? |
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| 12:00.26 | SpeedEvil | ach: yes |
| 12:00.27 | mjr | abhibera, yes |
| 12:00.42 | SpeedEvil | ach: at the moment, it's a slow desktop, with some phone apps on it. |
| 12:00.44 | abhibera | mjr: yay! |
| 12:00.51 | SpeedEvil | The phone apps need major polishing. |
| 12:00.57 | abhibera | mjr: what about Firefox or something like it? |
| 12:01.03 | SWAT | ahem, it looks nice and shiny and works. A lot of people use it (and are happy with it). I just hope that the GTA02 will be a big competitor and will be able to at least a bit of the same feature-package |
| 12:01.17 | SpeedEvil | FF can in principle run on it - it won't be especially fast but should run fine. |
| 12:01.26 | SWAT | FF is quite bulky |
| 12:01.29 | SpeedEvil | Nobodies compiled it yet. |
| 12:01.29 | mjr | I've ran firefox remotely on the neo, locally it's much likely too heavy (and you'll have to install on microsd of course) |
| 12:01.35 | SpeedEvil | FF is bulky, however. |
| 12:01.47 | abhibera | MiniMo? |
| 12:01.59 | SpeedEvil | I have 14 tabs open on my FF1.5, and it's using 76M RSS only |
| 12:02.20 | SWAT | I would definately use: epiphany-browser or a lighter browser |
| 12:02.35 | abhibera | SpeedEvil: then what browser is there on the Neo? |
| 12:03.29 | SpeedEvil | I'm not sure what the current one is. |
| 12:03.41 | SpeedEvil | I've not updated my software. |
| 12:04.47 | abhibera | SpeedEvil: any chance of me getting a GTA02 in another two weeks? am I allowed to preorder? |
| 12:05.50 | thos | SWAT: if you only want to send/recieve calls and use sms, what is there to sync with your desktop? |
| 12:05.57 | SpeedEvil | abhibera: almost zero |
| 12:06.05 | abhibera | :( :( :( :'( |
| 12:06.07 | SpeedEvil | abhibera: they are not for sale at all at teh moment. |
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| 12:06.26 | SpeedEvil | The almost is that if you paid a silly amount of money, you could probably convince them to. |
| 12:06.45 | SWAT | thos, I forgot to mention some kind of calendar/PIM software |
| 12:06.53 | abhibera | SpeedEvil: hmmmmmm :( |
| 12:07.12 | thos | SWAT: ok, so call functions work, and there is some kind of calendar/PIM software available too |
| 12:07.17 | SWAT | thos, and sending sms from your desktop (while the phone is connected) would also be very nice |
| 12:07.28 | thos | SWAT: sync is not available, nor is sms/mms |
| 12:07.32 | abhibera | SpeedEvil: i desperately want one. i see no point in ordering a GTA01 now with slightly dated h/w |
| 12:07.39 | thos | SWAT: not yet available I mean of course |
| 12:07.40 | SWAT | thos, thanks for the info |
| 12:07.53 | SpeedEvil | abhibera: significantly cheaper, stereo sound |
| 12:08.42 | mjr | abhibera, so wait |
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| 12:08.54 | abhibera | SpeedEvil: i'm not worried about cost.... |
| 12:09.02 | abhibera | mjr :( |
| 12:09.32 | mjr | or go to Sean with a million bucks and tell him you want an early prototype, as SpeedEvil semisuggested :] |
| 12:10.18 | abhibera | mjr: so will it b out in december? |
| 12:10.44 | madwoota | so you dont want a slightly dated mostly working device, but you do want a slightly newer not working device |
| 12:10.45 | madwoota | heh |
| 12:11.28 | abhibera | madwoota: well the Wiki says GTA01 is pretty buggy |
| 12:11.37 | mjr | abhibera, if all goes well, hopefully yes |
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| 12:12.04 | abhibera | is there any way i can pre order? |
| 12:12.40 | madwoota | if gta02 was worth using, it'd be available |
| 12:12.45 | madwoota | its not, hence, its not |
| 12:12.48 | madwoota | kinda simple really |
| 12:13.08 | mjr | rwhitby, yes indeed |
| 12:13.25 | XorA | rwhitby: examples, I dont really pay much attention to community |
| 12:13.57 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3318 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-talking.c): |
| 12:13.57 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-talking.c: |
| 12:13.57 | CIA-13 | openmoko: Revert use of GdkPixbufSimpleAnim as it does not support looping |
| 12:14.21 | rwhitby | XorA: start at http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-November/011344.html and read onwards in that thread. |
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| 12:18.06 | XorA | rwhitby: looks like all gas, and the inabiity to read |
| 12:18.30 | rwhitby | XorA: nod |
| 12:19.11 | XorA | hey I used a GPS once, and sent the data over x25, so that must make me a super expert :-) |
| 12:19.33 | mjr | x25? wow |
| 12:21.39 | abhibera | madwoota: not even to developers? |
| 12:22.00 | mjr | very few internal developers at openmoko inc. |
| 12:22.07 | rwhitby | abhibera: not even to P0 yet |
| 12:22.18 | madwoota | surely even developers like to have a working device some of the time ? |
| 12:22.51 | abhibera | :'( :'( |
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| 12:28.21 | Stephmw | madwoota: you're bunching all kinds of developers together though |
| 12:28.26 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03stefan * r3319 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/misc/openmoko-today2-folders/ (ChangeLog Makefile.am): |
| 12:28.26 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 2007-11-01 Stefan Schmidt <stefan@openmoko.org> |
| 12:28.26 | CIA-13 | openmoko: Make sure PIM.directory gets installed. Thanks Ross Burton for spotting. |
| 12:28.26 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * Makefile.am: |
| 12:28.50 | Stephmw | madwoota: a fresh new hw is rarely safe for app developers for instance |
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| 12:31.17 | madwoota | tell abhibera that, not me |
| 12:31.37 | dbmoodb | oh how come the openmoko isn't going to cam ? |
| 12:32.08 | SpeedEvil | Because. |
| 12:32.21 | SpeedEvil | A) the case design was fixed some time ago without a cam. |
| 12:32.38 | SpeedEvil | B) Some people can't use cameras with cams |
| 12:32.40 | dbmoodb | oh sure |
| 12:32.45 | dbmoodb | just wanted to know |
| 12:32.48 | SpeedEvil | C) it's extra cost |
| 12:32.52 | dbmoodb | does the iphone have a camera ? |
| 12:33.01 | thos | SpeedEvil: you mean phones with cams ;-) |
| 12:33.01 | SpeedEvil | Many of us would like a camera. |
| 12:33.14 | dbmoodb | i don't really want a camera |
| 12:33.15 | CM | thos: I can't use cameras with cams either.. ;) |
| 12:33.16 | SpeedEvil | yes, phones. |
| 12:33.24 | dbmoodb | ha |
| 12:33.28 | SpeedEvil | I want a camera - but not for taking pictures to show people. |
| 12:33.34 | dbmoodb | oh the iphone has a camera |
| 12:33.46 | thos | apparently the iphone camera is really bad |
| 12:33.54 | thos | plus it doesn't even do movies |
| 12:34.05 | xzcvczx | ever since i got my first phone with a camera i find the camera is a novelty unless its taking a photo of your odometer clocking 100,000 |
| 12:34.11 | dbmoodb | i don't really think phone cameras are any good |
| 12:34.22 | SpeedEvil | I want it for looking over tall objects, or taking photos of stuff I'm dissasembling, or to take pictures of items in shops |
| 12:34.30 | SpeedEvil | To comparison shop later |
| 12:34.40 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: lol or attaching to your shoe :P |
| 12:34.49 | dbmoodb | only 100,000 i got at 3 X10 *8 m/s |
| 12:35.04 | SpeedEvil | Not really, you'd want a camera with a big IR flash for that. |
| 12:35.07 | xzcvczx | odometer does not measure distance |
| 12:35.11 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: lol |
| 12:35.14 | dbmoodb | ooo the openmoko should get ir |
| 12:35.31 | dbmoodb | or there should be an ir device for evil tv fun |
| 12:35.45 | xzcvczx | dbmoodb: there is its called the tvbgone google it |
| 12:36.48 | dbmoodb | nice |
| 12:37.04 | dbmoodb | i want one |
| 12:37.25 | dbmoodb | can i get it in a shirt to go with a wifi mdk3 program inbuild ? |
| 12:39.33 | dbmoodb | oh the neo1973 will do most gsm frequency right ? |
| 12:41.16 | mjr | gta01 doesn't do 850 MHz, gta02 should be full quad |
| 12:41.41 | mjr | not sure how it looks currently getting gta01 to quad through an upgrade |
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| 12:44.05 | dbmoodb | 1800 ? |
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| 12:55.43 | mjr | it does 900/1800/1900 |
| 13:01.56 | DeadKiddo | mamammeeya, how did they put the wallpaper behind that clock? |
| 13:02.51 | CM | Sup3rkiddo: I think that's in the latest openmoko-today2 versions |
| 13:03.21 | xzcvczx | gah anyone know how to take a screenshot in mac if you dont have a mac keyboard? |
| 13:03.35 | cjb_ie | alt == option |
| 13:03.41 | Sup3rkiddo | CM: hmm, i saw a commit a week ago, but only the clock is there..anyway, lemme search around |
| 13:03.50 | xzcvczx | cjb_ie: oh and ctrl == command? |
| 13:04.17 | cjb_ie | no, ctrl == ctrl - do you have a windows key perhaps? |
| 13:04.58 | xzcvczx | cjb_ie: yup its not that olda keyboard :P |
| 13:05.19 | cjb_ie | i think win _might_ get mapped to command, but i'm not sure |
| 13:05.49 | cjb_ie | if not, try one of the other win keys |
| 13:06.00 | cjb_ie | (left win, right win, context menu) |
| 13:06.54 | abhibera | why no USB2 on neo? |
| 13:08.27 | CM | abhibera: Because the SoC doesn't support it |
| 13:08.41 | CM | (System on a Chip, not Summer of Code ;)) |
| 13:08.50 | xzcvczx | CM: thanks ended up finding how to do it via terminal |
| 13:09.14 | abhibera | CM: hmmmmm |
| 13:09.14 | CM | cjb_ie: I think he meant you ;) |
| 13:09.38 | abhibera | CM: looks like i have to order a GTA01 |
| 13:09.44 | cjb_ie | CM: yay for single-letter tab completion collisions |
| 13:09.52 | CM | :D |
| 13:10.17 | CM | abhibera: If you want something to play around with right now, do that. It's a fun toy anyway :) |
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| 13:18.21 | xzcvczx | lol yup thanks CM |
| 13:18.26 | xzcvczx | this time it is CM |
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| 13:19.48 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 13:23.23 | hrw | guys - do I see wrong or there is no new packages from openmoko team on buildhost? |
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| 13:31.03 | LarstiQ | hrw: new since? |
| 13:31.52 | abhibera | CM: i can't ask my boss to buy a $350 Toy! |
| 13:32.13 | abhibera | CM: i need something which is good for dev |
| 13:32.41 | hrw | LarstiQ: since my last upgrade few days ago |
| 13:34.51 | LarstiQ | hrw: in that case you may be right |
| 13:35.05 | LarstiQ | abhibera: dev of what? |
| 13:36.19 | abhibera | dev of apps |
| 13:36.26 | abhibera | porting existing apps |
| 13:37.25 | hrw | abhibera: qemu will be enough then |
| 13:37.33 | hrw | or even xoo or xephyr |
| 13:37.38 | abhibera | really? but how will i know the performance? |
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| 13:37.55 | abhibera | hrw: i need to see actual performance |
| 13:38.19 | hrw | abhibera: gta01 performance differ from gta02 performance |
| 13:38.46 | abhibera | hrw: precisely :) which is why i want a gta02 which should perform better |
| 13:39.47 | hrw | abhibera: and gta02 is not ready for developers |
| 13:40.01 | abhibera | hrw: hmmm... within a month maybe? |
| 13:40.15 | LarstiQ | abhibera: so if it performs really fast under qemu, that's a reasonably indication it will do ok on actual hardware. |
| 13:40.45 | abhibera | LarstiQ: hehe... what if u have a Core2Quad which is really fast? :D |
| 13:40.59 | abhibera | LarstiQ: simulators are misleading :( |
| 13:41.05 | mjr | it's actually slower on qemu than gta01 iirc |
| 13:41.21 | mjr | and qemu doesn't take advantage of multiple cores |
| 13:41.51 | LarstiQ | abhibera: I'd be impressed if you have a host that lets things run faster under qemu than on the gta01 |
| 13:42.01 | abhibera | mjr: ah... |
| 13:42.26 | abhibera | LarstiQ: ok |
| 13:42.53 | LarstiQ | abhibera: but you are right that should be taken into consideration. But so are things like alignment of reads, context switch overhead etc. It's an indication, not hard science. |
| 13:43.36 | LarstiQ | abhibera: do you have concrete performance requirements, or can you make things fit given the limits? |
| 13:43.56 | abhibera | LarstiQ: i want to put swfdec onto it |
| 13:44.11 | CM | abhibera: I'll be happy to test that if you port it ;) |
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| 13:44.16 | abhibera | LarstiQ: so i need to see how it works on the actual device |
| 13:44.40 | LarstiQ | abhibera: eventually, yes. But you don't need actual hardware initially. |
| 13:44.47 | abhibera | CM: well i have a totally different X and GTK build at present. i wish i could send it to u. |
| 13:45.02 | CM | abhibera: But I'm sure it will be too slow for youtube and such, swfdec is tough for my desktop to run |
| 13:45.03 | LarstiQ | abhibera: but as CM said, there are plenty of people who would be willing to help test (as am I) |
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| 13:45.27 | abhibera | LarstiQ: yes... |
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| 13:47.34 | LarstiQ | ScaredyCat: of what? |
| 13:48.03 | CM | ScaredyCat: Enjoying qtopia too much? :P |
| 13:48.14 | ScaredyCat | I haven't provided a build for a day or so.... |
| 13:48.25 | ScaredyCat | you bad boy! |
| 13:48.29 | CM | Hehe |
| 13:49.04 | ScaredyCat | my parents get cparry 256kb, and the badwidth police in the office get me .... |
| 13:49.21 | ScaredyCat | but off to .nl again friday, with my nice connection :D |
| 13:50.01 | ScaredyCat | cparry!! |
| 13:50.07 | ScaredyCat | crappy even |
| 13:50.20 | CM | Tired? |
| 13:50.30 | LarstiQ | ScaredyCat: you do builds locally and then upload stuff? |
| 13:50.37 | ScaredyCat | yes CM... |
| 13:50.45 | ScaredyCat | LarstiQ: yes.. |
| 13:50.57 | ScaredyCat | otherwise my dsl would die |
| 13:52.24 | ScaredyCat | and xs4all would probably cut me off... last month 65Gb downloaded |
| 13:52.34 | ScaredyCat | by users... |
| 13:52.54 | LarstiQ | oh, I was thinking of doing the building on my remote host. Which I already do, but nothing regular. |
| 13:53.22 | ScaredyCat | well, if you have the machine remote and the bandwidth, why not... |
| 13:53.46 | ScaredyCat | I just tend to do it locally so that I can do builds and see what's going on, no need to connect... |
| 13:54.06 | ScaredyCat | just takes foreverto upload with a crappy connection ... |
| 13:59.21 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: lol consider yourself lucky.... very few people in nz have uploads over 128k at home |
| 14:00.13 | hrw | xzcvczx: uf... so we in Poland doe snot have worst net |
| 14:00.46 | xzcvczx | hrw: huh? too many negatives in one sentance dont make for easy reading |
| 14:01.21 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 14:02.02 | xzcvczx | well it looked like "so we in poland does not have worse net" aka poland has better net |
| 14:02.10 | hrw | xzcvczx: I still forgets that English language does not have double negatives etc |
| 14:02.21 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 14:02.30 | CM | hrw: In northen sweden that's the norm |
| 14:02.31 | enjahova | it ain't NOT got 'em |
| 14:02.52 | ScaredyCat | double negative == positive, like in mathmatics |
| 14:02.55 | CM | After a good dinner you can say "That wasn't discusting" when you really liked it :D |
| 14:03.13 | enjahova | lol i dunno about that |
| 14:03.15 | hrw | in Polish sentence "he never does not go to the cinema" is ok and means "he never goes to the cinema" |
| 14:03.46 | enjahova | you can say "he ain't never used proprietary software before" |
| 14:03.50 | ScaredyCat | CM: saying "That wasn't discusting" implies that you expected it to be |
| 14:04.08 | xzcvczx | well english seems to be more math based then as 2 negatives make a positive |
| 14:04.09 | enjahova | disgusting* |
| 14:04.11 | mmazur | ScaredyCat, you don't tell ppl no mathematics in no english! |
| 14:04.26 | xzcvczx | and completely destroys the statement 2 wrongs dont make a right |
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| 14:04.31 | ScaredyCat | not(!do I ) |
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| 14:04.52 | mmazur | Human languages are not, be definition, logically accurate. |
| 14:05.09 | CM | hrw: That must be somewhat unique, that the double negatives counts as one. :) |
| 14:05.19 | Ghiottone | mornin |
| 14:05.19 | ScaredyCat | nor was that sentance mmazur.. |
| 14:05.28 | Ghiottone | CM: hey |
| 14:05.35 | CM | Ghiottone: Hello :) |
| 14:06.30 | LarstiQ | mmazur: lojban! |
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| 14:06.49 | CM | ScaredyCat: One of my favourite quotes: |
| 14:06.51 | CM | "Do _I_ know what a rhetorical question is?" - Homer Simpson |
| 14:07.07 | LarstiQ | CM: nice |
| 14:07.18 | xzcvczx | CM: what season was that? |
| 14:07.40 | CM | xzcvczx: Can't remember, just watched at random on tv :) |
| 14:08.05 | CM | Lisa asked "Do you even know what a rhetorical question is? |
| 14:08.26 | xzcvczx | oh ok |
| 14:08.35 | Henryk | "How many roads must a man travel down before you can call him a man" Homer: "Seven!" Lisa: "Dad, that's a rhetorical question." Homer: "Oh, rhetorical ... Eight!" |
| 14:08.50 | mmazur | :) |
| 14:08.59 | xzcvczx | Henryk: ah thanks i remember that now |
| 14:09.12 | Henryk | Aunt Google says: http://grammar.about.com/od/rhetoricstyle/a/homerhet.htm |
| 14:10.24 | Henryk | .oO('Nu-cu-lar', the word is 'nu-cu-lar') |
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| 14:50.27 | zash | yay, modemet funkar på bärbara |
| 14:50.50 | jeddy3 | zash, grattis :D |
| 14:51.50 | zash | i was going to say that in another channel, 'alt sends escape' isnt enabled |
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| 14:54.24 | jeddy3 | zash, yeah almost figured ;) |
| 14:56.54 | zash | :D |
| 14:59.10 | Vegar | congrats, zash |
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| 15:00.40 | CM | Hehe |
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| 15:05.42 | zash | hm.. 3g-modem + neo.. |
| 15:07.28 | xzcvczx | if you are working with a file on the neo are you best off keeping it open for the life of the program or opening and closing it for each time it needs to read/write the file? |
| 15:07.46 | orospakr | Hey, does anyone here use a Neo on Rogers? |
| 15:10.07 | ckuethe | not in edmonton. |
| 15:10.18 | ckuethe | doesn't seem to register |
| 15:10.34 | ckuethe | which makes me think that it's trying to use 850MHz |
| 15:12.52 | orospakr | I'm in downtown Ottawa, and CFUN1 hangs forever |
| 15:13.09 | orospakr | I need to retry, though, because it's been a few weeks |
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| 15:13.30 | xaid|work | edmonton is the only place that Rogers uses 850 Mhz in? does Fido use the same frequency in that area? |
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| 15:30.14 | ScaredyCat | that just means there's no fun to be had in Ottawa ;) |
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| 15:47.52 | xzcvczx | is anyone around who knows c at all? |
| 15:48.10 | Stephmw | 'at all'... what's the problem? |
| 15:48.17 | _diego_ | maybe ^^ |
| 15:49.25 | raster | nah |
| 15:49.31 | raster | i dont know any c |
| 15:49.37 | raster | real programmers use VB |
| 15:49.42 | mjr | we only do scheme and haskell |
| 15:50.19 | xzcvczx | simplest thing ever.... to make a string from some constants and some variables is it just 'string = "Select " + var1 + "from" +var2;' |
| 15:51.08 | CM | String handling sure isn't good in c |
| 15:51.09 | cb22 | xzcvczx, nah, by now they're up to your neck |
| 15:51.17 | Vegar | that's certainly not C, xzcvczx |
| 15:51.18 | xzcvczx | ok lol |
| 15:51.34 | Vegar | check out sprintf |
| 15:51.37 | xzcvczx | Vegar: yeah i figured it might not be |
| 15:51.38 | Vegar | or rather snprintf |
| 15:51.56 | xzcvczx | Vegar: ah ok thanks i was actually looking at that but got distracted |
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| 15:53.05 | Stephmw | xzcvczx: java background? |
| 15:53.19 | xzcvczx | Stephmw: unfortunately |
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| 15:53.29 | Vegar | hehe |
| 15:53.34 | Vegar | C is nothing like java |
| 15:53.41 | xzcvczx | its really all the university i am at teaches |
| 15:53.55 | xzcvczx | Vegar: yeah but just figured that would be the easiest way to represent it |
| 15:54.31 | inz | If using glib, g_strdup_printf() might be a nice alternative to s(n)printf() |
| 15:54.37 | CM | Using + to concatenate strings in java should be illegal too ;) |
| 15:54.50 | Stephmw | xzcvczx: there's still use for Java, but not yet really on OM for app devs |
| 15:54.54 | gamin | xzcvczx: http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/stable/glib-String-Utility-Functions.html |
| 15:57.10 | xzcvczx | gamin: meh just playing around with something at the moment so will leave glib out of it for the time being.... might end up using it later |
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| 15:57.42 | xzcvczx | Stephmw: yeah, but this program is destined for the neo so not much use in java |
| 15:57.43 | gamin | xzcvczx: well, then have fun with malloc ;) |
| 15:59.14 | xzcvczx | gamin: i know |
| 15:59.15 | xzcvczx | :S |
| 16:00.16 | Ghiottone | xzcvczx, you could also use the stack |
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| 16:00.57 | Ghiottone | xzcvczx, something like char mystring[1024]; sprintf(mystring,"Select %s %s %s", var1, var2,var3); |
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| 16:03.27 | CM | Ghiottone: Hmm.. Not snprinf(1024? |
| 16:04.08 | xzcvczx | Ghiottone: good point, will look at that too |
| 16:04.48 | Ghiottone | CM: oh yeah, you're right. that's secure programming :) |
| 16:05.22 | raster | snprintf is what u want |
| 16:05.29 | Stephmw | *surely* overflows would *never* happen... right? right? |
| 16:05.30 | raster | not secure |
| 16:05.37 | raster | just correct |
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| 16:05.59 | Stephmw | don't compilers now issue warnings if you use the old functions? |
| 16:06.12 | raster | sometimes |
| 16:06.16 | raster | just use snprintf |
| 16:06.22 | raster | and your code will crash... less |
| 16:06.33 | Stephmw | haha |
| 16:06.34 | raster | (mostly - caveats of couse exist) |
| 16:07.11 | Stephmw | what got me the most with native code (in a RTOS) was task blocking due to cross-task calls |
| 16:07.13 | raster | c string handling isnyt too bad |
| 16:07.18 | Stephmw | where tasks had different priorities |
| 16:07.23 | raster | just write some wrapper funcs |
| 16:08.32 | raster | shouldnt a block on a higher pri task mean the lower task will then be scheduled as the high pri is blocked? |
| 16:08.55 | raster | (makign way for lower pri tasks to do their dirty business) |
| 16:09.05 | raster | of couse if u have other equally high pri task |
| 16:09.11 | raster | then those can consume all the cpu |
| 16:09.17 | raster | then u are in deep poopie land |
| 16:10.07 | Stephmw | thankfully the watchdog resets the device |
| 16:10.19 | raster | thats not good |
| 16:10.22 | Stephmw | so you get a stack dump and can start figuring out wtf went wrong |
| 16:10.29 | raster | hmmm |
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| 16:10.54 | raster | u need soft-realtime |
| 16:11.06 | raster | where lower pri tasks will every now and again be scheduled |
| 16:11.09 | raster | anyway |
| 16:11.19 | raster | if they need it |
| 16:11.27 | Stephmw | single-chip mobiles have to use hard rt, don't they? for the GSM? |
| 16:11.28 | raster | or... |
| 16:11.40 | SpeedEvil | No |
| 16:11.42 | SpeedEvil | dual core |
| 16:11.46 | SpeedEvil | or multi-core |
| 16:11.49 | raster | the kernel needs to know that u are blocking ona read froman fd that is written to by a lower pri task |
| 16:12.02 | SpeedEvil | Hard real-time is another option. |
| 16:12.04 | raster | and thus ups the pri of that taks to the same as the blocking read task |
| 16:12.10 | Stephmw | raster: this wasn't linux |
| 16:12.12 | raster | until the blocking ytask stops blocking |
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| 16:12.33 | Stephmw | raster: the whole thing was compiled into a single binary |
| 16:12.50 | raster | Stephmw: ewwww |
| 16:12.54 | raster | uglerninessss |
| 16:13.23 | Stephmw | raster: it gets better... but I can't really comment :) |
| 16:13.32 | Stephmw | s/better/worse/ etc |
| 16:13.33 | raster | hhehe |
| 16:13.45 | raster | no wonder linux is taking over |
| 16:13.47 | raster | :) |
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| 16:15.08 | xzcvczx | if you are working with a file on the neo are you best off keeping it open for the life of the program or opening and closing it for each time it needs to read/write the file? |
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| 16:15.29 | Stephmw | depends? |
| 16:15.29 | SpeedEvil | Close and open |
| 16:15.37 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03chris * r3320 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-worldclock2/ (ChangeLog src/worldclock-main.c): |
| 16:15.37 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/worldclock-main.c: (map_button_press_event_cb), (main): |
| 16:15.37 | CIA-13 | openmoko: Use a static map and add code to find the nearest timezone to where the |
| 16:15.38 | CIA-13 | openmoko: user clicks |
| 16:15.40 | SpeedEvil | Generally - to keep the state as sane as possible. |
| 16:15.57 | Stephmw | aye, unless you start doing it frequently |
| 16:15.58 | raster | what are your priorities |
| 16:16.01 | SpeedEvil | Writes to flash is not a concern. |
| 16:16.14 | SpeedEvil | Unless you're writing megabytes/second |
| 16:16.17 | raster | min are to snooze |
| 16:16.19 | raster | mine |
| 16:16.43 | xzcvczx | Stephmw: define frequently? |
| 16:16.53 | Stephmw | xzcvczx: here's a piece of string |
| 16:17.01 | xzcvczx | Stephmw: :S |
| 16:17.12 | Stephmw | xzcvczx: ie, if you start to impact other processes, you're doing it too much :) |
| 16:17.42 | SpeedEvil | The occasions I would say not to write to flash are if it would take a long time and interrupt the user. Or if it's a large amount. If it's just updating a 10K file, then it's probably sane to drop a copy at every user input |
| 16:17.58 | Stephmw | anyway, this kind of tweaking is an optimisation |
| 16:18.01 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 16:18.11 | Stephmw | leave it to later |
| 16:18.16 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: its a database and it will never be large amounts of consistent writing only reading |
| 16:18.28 | xzcvczx | Stephmw: good point |
| 16:19.11 | SpeedEvil | The absolute ideal would be to save in such a form that you can closedown and resume exactly the same state seamlessly. |
| 16:19.16 | SpeedEvil | Tricky though. |
| 16:19.45 | SpeedEvil | Also vulnerable to wedging the program or the user in an undefined state |
| 16:20.07 | Stephmw | no recovery possible? |
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| 16:20.34 | SpeedEvil | No - for example, the user gets to a place they don't understand how to get back from |
| 16:20.48 | SpeedEvil | if they quit and restart, and it comes back in exactly the same place. |
| 16:20.56 | SpeedEvil | Or a page that wedges your app |
| 16:21.09 | Stephmw | ah, more of a UX issue though |
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| 16:42.05 | thomasgruebler | hello |
| 16:42.15 | thomasgruebler | i'm using the mokomakefile now |
| 16:42.29 | Ghiottone | thomasgruebler, me too :) |
| 16:42.35 | thomasgruebler | but |
| 16:42.41 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3323 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-dialer.c): |
| 16:42.41 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-dialer.c: (moko_dialer_class_init), |
| 16:42.42 | CIA-13 | openmoko: (dialer_display_error), (moko_dialer_init): Reimplement dial out function |
| 16:42.49 | thomasgruebler | i cannot flash qemu |
| 16:43.12 | thomasgruebler | make flash-qemu-official |
| 16:43.24 | thomasgruebler | or make flash-qemu-local |
| 16:43.41 | thomasgruebler | says after some time, that flashing time of 300s expired |
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| 16:44.08 | Ghiottone | thomasgruebler, I have the same problem. not sure why |
| 16:44.13 | thomasgruebler | ok |
| 16:44.23 | thomasgruebler | so i cannot try out the phone on wemu now |
| 16:45.08 | Mek | increasing the timeout doesn't help? I had to increase it a bit, but then it all worked just fine... (but that was a few weeks ago) |
| 16:45.32 | Mek | or isn't it really taking 300 seconds before you get that error? |
| 16:46.04 | thomasgruebler | i didn't stop the time |
| 16:46.07 | thomasgruebler | but it says |
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| 16:46.24 | thomasgruebler | that it wasn't able to flash the phone |
| 16:46.27 | thomasgruebler | for 300s |
| 16:46.49 | Mek | but didit take 5 minutes for you to get that error? or was it significantly shorter than that... |
| 16:47.03 | thomasgruebler | no it could be 5min |
| 16:47.06 | thomasgruebler | it was a long time |
| 16:47.15 | SpeedEvil | 300s = 5 min |
| 16:48.18 | thomasgruebler | maybe it was 5min |
| 16:48.36 | thomasgruebler | i try it now |
| 16:50.48 | thomasgruebler | GTA01Bv4 # setenv bootcmd ' |
| 16:50.53 | thomasgruebler | there it always stops |
| 16:51.05 | thomasgruebler | but is not stopped yet |
| 16:55.26 | thomasgruebler | now it stopped: |
| 16:55.31 | thomasgruebler | openmoko/flash.sh: line 88: 6307 Beendet $qemu -mtdblock "$script_dir/$flash_base" -kernel "$script_dir/$1" -serial stdio -nographic -usb -monitor null 0<&0 |
| 16:55.31 | thomasgruebler | U-boot failed to finish writing in 300 seconds, giving up. |
| 16:55.31 | thomasgruebler | make: *** [flash-qemu-local] Fehler 255 |
| 16:55.57 | thomasgruebler | i hope it's no problem to send longer texts in irc since noone writes something |
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| 17:03.31 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03ross * r3324 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (6 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 17:03.31 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 2007-11-01 Ross Burton <ross@openedhand.com> |
| 17:03.31 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * .: |
| 17:03.31 | CIA-13 | openmoko: Update lock down svn:externals to revisions. |
| 17:03.32 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/: |
| 17:03.33 | CIA-13 | openmoko: Remove inotify externals, its in libtaku now. |
| 17:03.37 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * configure.ac: |
| 17:03.39 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3325 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/dialer/dialer-main.c): |
| 17:03.42 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/dialer/dialer-main.c: (dial_clicked_cb), (main): |
| 17:03.44 | CIA-13 | openmoko: - Notify user if there was a problem connecting to dbus |
| 17:03.46 | CIA-13 | openmoko: - Switch to history page if dial activated with no number entered |
| 17:03.48 | CIA-13 | openmoko: - Clean up code |
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| 17:39.41 | neclimdul | i can't seem to get uboot-openmoko to build. anyone can help me ouy? |
| 17:39.56 | Ghiottone | pastebin? |
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| 17:42.21 | jeddy3 | where does everybody change their background images in openmoko-today? :P |
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| 17:48.48 | mickeyl | openmoko-appereance |
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| 18:04.25 | jeddy3 | mickeyl, yeah, but it just says "No background options yet" |
| 18:04.38 | mickeyl | really? interesting |
| 18:04.42 | mickeyl | in the meantime, use gconftool-2 |
| 18:04.50 | mickeyl | wait, i'm giving you an example |
| 18:05.24 | mickeyl | export `dbus-launch` |
| 18:05.48 | mickeyl | gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/poky/interface/wallpaper /usr/share/pixmaps/foo.png |
| 18:05.52 | jeddy3 | mickeyl, aah! gconftool, didn't realize i had a gconf-register on my phone =) |
| 18:05.53 | mickeyl | restart X |
| 18:05.58 | mickeyl | :) |
| 18:06.23 | jeddy3 | mickeyl, thanks :) |
| 18:06.26 | mickeyl | np |
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| 18:07.33 | jeddy3 | mickeyl, on my desktop...first thing i check in if i don't find a option...but on _phone_, nah :D |
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| 18:14.56 | mickeyl | well, yeah, it is disputable whether it is a good idea to have desktop technologies on a phone |
| 18:15.09 | mickeyl | i'm still undecided |
| 18:18.41 | mickeyl | hmm yeah. one half of me says that as well. the other half says "gnome technologies good and lightweight... use them everywhere" |
| 18:19.10 | abraxa_ | GTK lightweight? Hmm... :) |
| 18:19.18 | cjb_ie | gnome lightweight? since when? |
| 18:19.39 | drath | compared to kde, i guess ;) |
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| 18:22.31 | cb22 | hmm, anyone mind if i ask a not-really-directly-openmoko-related-question-but-has-to-do-with-it question? |
| 18:22.49 | cjb_ie | people do all the time anyway :-) |
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| 18:23.10 | cb22 | hehe, well i'm trying to get vmware player to use my physical linux partition |
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| 18:23.49 | cb22 | i've read the article on doing it the other way around (windows in linux), but i want linux in windows |
| 18:24.06 | cb22 | so basically the point i get stuck at is what on earth does vmware call windows disks? |
| 18:24.09 | cjb_ie | i haven't used vmware this century :-) |
| 18:24.20 | cjb_ie | and never on windows |
| 18:24.23 | cb22 | maybe if someone has a full vmware they could create a physical vmware config and email pls? |
| 18:25.07 | cb22 | cjb_ie, true, its not my style either |
| 18:29.58 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03chris * r3326 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-worldclock2/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 18:29.58 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/worldclock-main.c: (set_time), (close_clicked_cb), |
| 18:29.58 | CIA-13 | openmoko: (tzset_clicked_cb), (clock_idle), (remove_clock_idle_notify), |
| 18:29.58 | CIA-13 | openmoko: (map_enter_notify_cb), (map_leave_notify_cb), |
| 18:29.58 | CIA-13 | openmoko: (map_button_release_event_cb), (main): |
| 18:30.00 | CIA-13 | openmoko: Add setting of timezone, clicking on cities, showing sunrise/sunset |
| 18:30.02 | CIA-13 | openmoko: info, showing of times in other cities, etc. |
| 18:30.08 | cb22 | ahh, activity :) |
| 18:30.21 | cb22 | i've noticed that the past two days seem to have been really active |
| 18:30.27 | cb22 | in terms of wiki edits and mailinglist posts |
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| 19:14.13 | abraxa_ | stefan_schmidt: ping |
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| 19:21.54 | mickeyl | hmm |
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| 19:21.57 | mickeyl | ~lart gtk |
| 19:21.57 | apt | hits gtk with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
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| 19:22.08 | mickeyl | uhm |
| 19:22.09 | mickeyl | magon ??? |
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| 19:25.51 | white_gecko | hello |
| 19:26.04 | white_gecko | i just wanted to build openmoko qemu |
| 19:26.21 | enjahova | white_gecko, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Automatic_emulation_in_Ubuntu |
| 19:26.23 | enjahova | that might help |
| 19:26.39 | white_gecko | but i get an error when i run "openmoko/flash.sh" |
| 19:26.47 | white_gecko | ok i will look at this |
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| 19:29.26 | enjahova | white_gecko, are you just emulating to play with applications? if so I would suggest using Xephyr because qemu is pretty slow |
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| 19:33.14 | white_gecko | enjahova: yes |
| 19:33.36 | white_gecko | but the ubuntu thing doesn't work for me |
| 19:33.43 | enjahova | oh |
| 19:33.52 | white_gecko | python-psyco is not available |
| 19:33.56 | enjahova | hmm |
| 19:33.59 | enjahova | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr |
| 19:34.17 | enjahova | i found qemu too slow to really be useful for testing applications |
| 19:34.41 | enjahova | so i built the image for x86 following that guide ^ |
| 19:34.42 | white_gecko | hm so i will look how the Xephyr thing works |
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| 19:35.28 | enjahova | yeah, it takes longer to build since you build the whole thing, but its much faster when you are using it |
| 19:35.55 | white_gecko | hm ok |
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| 19:46.42 | white_gecko | is it necessery, to have a "/home/moko/"-dir? |
| 19:46.49 | enjahova | no |
| 19:47.03 | enjahova | you can put it wherever, but then you just adjust your settings |
| 19:47.24 | enjahova | i have /home/enjahova/openmoko where i put my makefile |
| 19:47.34 | johnny | yeah.. but i didn't have to adjust any settings |
| 19:47.55 | enjahova | not settings, i mean when you are following the guide, just change appropriately |
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| 19:48.59 | johnny | ok good :) |
| 19:49.05 | johnny | just wanted to make sure i didn't mess anything up :) |
| 19:49.35 | johnny | maybe one day qemu issues with gcc 4 will be fixed |
| 19:49.41 | johnny | then i wouldn't have to have compiled gcc 3.4 :( |
| 19:49.58 | enjahova | johnny, did you use xephyr? |
| 19:50.04 | enjahova | do* |
| 19:50.08 | johnny | no |
| 19:50.35 | johnny | maybe if i was doing some devel with this i'd use xepher |
| 19:50.41 | johnny | err xephyr |
| 19:50.44 | enjahova | ah |
| 19:50.53 | johnny | i just wanted to see how some things are coming along |
| 19:50.54 | white_gecko | ah so i think the gcc version was my problem last time |
| 19:50.59 | enjahova | i want to do application devel, so i just set up xephyr yesterday |
| 19:51.06 | johnny | well it'll die if it was, unless you turned off the check |
| 19:51.17 | johnny | i'll save application devel until i get real hardware |
| 19:51.57 | johnny | i'm actually more interested in adding ways to integrate some of the other neat things i've seen before i make apps for it |
| 19:52.06 | johnny | like processing credit cards directly on the phones |
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| 19:52.12 | johnny | like thos nextel phones can do |
| 19:52.21 | johnny | lik cardswiper right on the side |
| 19:54.15 | white_gecko | what options can i set to have a smaler openmoko, when i make it with mokomakefile? |
| 19:54.32 | johnny | there are some ideas on the mokomakefile page |
| 19:54.41 | johnny | if anybody knows any other ways, they should put them there |
| 19:58.25 | white_gecko | ok |
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| 20:22.29 | Henryk | rwhitby: ping? |
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| 20:28.02 | wirrwarr | huhu leutz! ;) |
| 20:28.29 | abraxa_ | jo sers |
| 20:28.34 | wirrwarr | hi! |
| 20:28.52 | wirrwarr | na, wie gehts voran mit dem phone? |
| 20:30.07 | abraxa_ | #neo1973-germany ;) |
| 20:30.21 | wirrwarr | sorry^^ |
| 20:30.34 | abraxa_ | Kein prob |
| 20:30.42 | white_gecko | lol |
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| 21:00.16 | flexd | hmmm |
| 21:00.41 | flexd | Just convinced my dad to buy a neo1973 when it gets released in the non-develop version too \o/ |
| 21:07.50 | cb22 | if you could use the gta02 as http://www.uchobby.com/index.php/2007/10/27/accelerometer-based-mouse/ it would be legend :) |
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| 21:24.36 | Vegar | cb22: it doesn't look very ergonomic |
| 21:24.43 | cb22 | Vegar, SO? |
| 21:24.47 | cb22 | its cool :) |
| 21:25.00 | Vegar | hehe, yeah |
| 21:25.08 | Vegar | might be doable |
| 21:25.27 | Vegar | using the neo as a bluetooth mouse |
| 21:26.14 | Vegar | (if that's possible) |
| 21:27.38 | johnny | or you could use a wiimote |
| 21:27.39 | johnny | cheaper :) |
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| 22:18.29 | Psi_ | hey, how do i get a /dev/ttyACM0 device (ubuntu) |
| 22:18.54 | tuukkah | should be automatic when you plug in the neo |
| 22:19.31 | abraxa_ | Psi_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot#Accessing_the_bootloader_prompt |
| 22:20.16 | Psi_ | thanks |
| 22:20.18 | Psi_ | reading... |
| 22:22.12 | anrp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:43.54 | roh | hm.. anybody up for a volunteers task? |
| 22:44.17 | roh | i need somebody to hack up a simple skin for gforge for om |
| 23:00.57 | abraxa_ | roh: Sounds like a community list post is due :) |
| 23:01.41 | mwester | The seven-segment LED display is a compromise designed to create a readable digit at absolute lowest cost... |
| 23:02.12 | mwester | ... so I wonder why one would take the stunning display of the Neo, and use most of it to *emulate a seven-segment LED display clock*!!!!! |
| 23:02.15 | mwester | :D |
| 23:02.20 | cb22 | lol |
| 23:02.29 | mwester | Is there a way to change that to a proper clock? |
| 23:02.39 | abraxa_ | Yeah |
| 23:02.40 | cb22 | 3x21 :) |
| 23:03.10 | mwester | What's the magic incantation? Something in /etc/matchbox/session? |
| 23:03.27 | Psi_ | haha, the clock scared me |
| 23:03.33 | Psi_ | wasnt expecting that |
| 23:03.44 | cb22 | those rule |
| 23:03.50 | cb22 | time: Quater to Seven |
| 23:04.30 | cjb_ie | mwester: what sort of world clock display? |
| 23:04.37 | Henryk | cb22: or in a special student mode: "summer term" or "winter term" |
| 23:04.57 | mwester | The one where you have the world map, with the daylight/night boundary updated as time progresses... |
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| 23:05.15 | cb22 | and it can get your position via gps :) |
| 23:05.20 | SpeedEvil | And a realistic atmosphere to the earth, with stars behind. |
| 23:05.44 | mwester | ;) You could do some cool effects with the sort of resultion and color depth on the neo... |
| 23:05.45 | cb22 | and 3d zooming in and out |
| 23:06.00 | SpeedEvil | we need to port google-earth to the neo. |
| 23:06.12 | Henryk | s/for/of/ |
| 23:06.13 | cjb_ie | ah, like a clock, except it doesn't _actually_ tell you the time :-) |
| 23:06.14 | SpeedEvil | And compress google-earths database onto the neo. |
| 23:06.15 | mwester | zoom far enough, and it magically becomes the mapping application for the gps - that's neat. |
| 23:06.30 | cb22 | SpeedEvil, you think the neo's accelerometers would be sensitive enough to use as a mouse? |
| 23:06.35 | SpeedEvil | And zoom out enough, and it's an astronomy one. |
| 23:06.42 | SpeedEvil | cb22: you can tell down. |
| 23:06.47 | SpeedEvil | cb22: much more - no. |
| 23:06.51 | mwester | cjb_ie: Well, it usually would have your local time at the bottom, and start centered on your location. |
| 23:07.10 | SpeedEvil | this is plenty for moving a mouse, it works like a joystick |
| 23:07.20 | mwester | But right now I'd settle for just plain text on the clock - is that possible? |
| 23:07.22 | abraxa_ | mwester: dbus-launch gconftool-2 -t bool -s /desktop/poky/interface/digital_clock false |
| 23:07.25 | cb22 | SpeedEvil, damn it, seems like the floor is the limit.. *pardon the extreamly bad pun* |
| 23:08.45 | Henryk | mwester: i have an even better idea: we could add a clock in the tray area at the top |
| 23:08.55 | Mek | SpeedEvil: marble (a kind of free opensource google earth clone) already runs just fine on the neo :) |
| 23:08.58 | Mek | (only a bit slow :P) |
| 23:09.02 | Mek | and it requires qt... :P |
| 23:09.26 | SpeedEvil | Mek: where's the data from? |
| 23:10.18 | Mek | I'm not sure where the included datasets are from... |
| 23:10.38 | Mek | "Marble uses vector as well as bitmap data: Currently it uses the old MWDB II data combined with elevation data from the Shuttle Radar Topography Mission (SRTM)." |
| 23:10.54 | SpeedEvil | Ah - SRTM. |
| 23:11.33 | SpeedEvil | (they released 90m imagery outside of the US, but they have 30m, unprocessed) |
| 23:15.43 | cjb_ie | ooooh what'd be involved in processing it, i wonder |
| 23:17.18 | SpeedEvil | As far as I understand it, the problem is simply that there were lots of bogons that needed investigating and removing by hand. |
| 23:17.52 | SpeedEvil | However, computer technology and storage has advanced to the stage where the whole 30m SRTM dataset is no longer a scary one. |
| 23:18.36 | SpeedEvil | 'only' a terabyte or so. |
| 23:19.11 | cjb_ie | sure you could fit that in a couple of disks these days |
| 23:19.15 | mwester | Henryk: ;) Yeah, one in the tray area would work... :P But I kinda like a bigger one on the display; to make sure I make it to my meetings on time. |
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| 23:25.05 | abraxa_ | mwester: You saw my line? Just checking |
| 23:25.13 | mwester | abraxa_: Yep - thanks! |
| 23:25.23 | abraxa_ | Ah okay |
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| 23:39.14 | roh | abraxa_ hm? |
| 23:44.48 | abraxa_ | roh: Oh, I just said that you might wanna post to the community ML as no one responded |
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| 23:46.03 | roh | abraxa_ better not.. that only generates aeons of useless ideas from somebody about how to do it instead of a tarball with what i want |
| 23:46.19 | abraxa_ | heh :) |
| 23:46.20 | mwester-laptop | hehe! |
| 23:47.32 | mwester-laptop | I'd volunteer, but I have no ability in that area. I can't even match my own socks. :) |
| 23:50.02 | roh | mwester: well.. its basically just the usual hassle of web-app-madness ;) finding out how the specific software ticks and then fight against the html/css/php/whatever windmills |
| 23:51.44 | abraxa_ | Wow roh, your intense love for web development brings a tear to my eye... it's so... moving... |
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