| 00:02.37 | mwester | dsilva: The kernel recipe used by openmoko is the openembedded/packages/linux/linux-openmoko.bb |
| 00:04.07 | mwester | That corresponds to tmp/work/neo1973-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/linux-openmoko-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr2937-r5 (at present, anyway) |
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| 00:13.11 | dsilva | mwester: oh, i see the uImage in image/boot/ there |
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| 00:50.41 | pigeon | hi all, quick question, what's the color depth of the screen on the neo1973? |
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| 01:05.32 | sagacis_ | pigeon: I think 16-bit |
| 01:05.45 | sagacis_ | It should be on the wiki |
| 01:08.48 | pigeon | sagacis_: thanks, i was going thru the wiki, but i can only find it being 480x640 |
| 01:09.06 | sagacis_ | How could you want more? :D |
| 01:09.22 | SpeedEvil | I want 768*1024 on a 4" display |
| 01:09.53 | sagacis_ | Cuz that would be easy to read, right? Also 3D accel, of course. |
| 01:11.39 | microlith | you can have that when resolution independent UI graphics are commonplace |
| 01:12.05 | sagacis_ | we need lolcode for openmoko. (http://lolcode.com/) |
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| 01:15.49 | redebr2818 | setenv bootcmd 'openmoko/flash.sh: line 87: |
| 01:15.51 | redebr2818 | burp =/ |
| 01:19.04 | sagacis_ | That probably won't boot |
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| 01:23.46 | Ghiottone | nite all |
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| 01:41.19 | mickey-tw | good morning |
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| 01:41.33 | spamyboy | Off-topic: I have just created on map and there was article writen about it, could anyone DIGG it pleas ? http://digg.com/gaming_news/http_www_allnevv_com_article_gaming_84/blog THANKS ! |
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| 03:37.44 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03mickey * r3295 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-usb/ (ChangeLog configure.ac src/openmoko-panel-usb.c): openmoko-panel-usb: add USB debug code |
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| 04:14.59 | freezesucker | n8 |
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| 04:18.40 | etteyafed | Any neat changes in the status of OpenMoko on the neo that aren't on the page? I don't think that it is out of date really, I was just hoping that maybe there was something cool that didn't make it there yet. |
| 04:20.19 | etteyafed | I want to get one but don't see myself doing alot of development on it atm so I will probably wait for the consumer release sometime next year. |
| 04:20.43 | etteyafed | Plus the wifi is a big feature for me |
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| 07:25.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 966 has been created by gnomecn(AT)gmail.com |
| 07:25.02 | cdbot2 | * * Compile error: too few arguments to function 'omp_playback_set_volume' |
| 07:25.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=966 |
| 07:25.13 | daMaestro | has anyone else had issues flashing? |
| 07:25.30 | daMaestro | i was able to nand erase clean rootfs and kernel... but now i can't flash it |
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| 07:28.42 | mickey-tw | may i ask why what keeps you from using dfu-util? |
| 07:29.05 | CM | daMaestro: Did you accidently do "nand erase" only? |
| 07:30.06 | daMaestro | mickey-tw, i am .. i'll check my irc logs for the paste with info |
| 07:30.09 | daMaestro | CM, nope |
| 07:30.21 | daMaestro | the kernel transfers correctly |
| 07:31.10 | CM | mickey-tw: Is has there been any issues at all with u-boot lately? I mean the last week or so? |
| 07:31.26 | CM | s/Is has/Has |
| 07:31.37 | mickey-tw | apart from the booting issue, i no nothing major |
| 07:31.45 | mickey-tw | then again, i'm not following u-boot very closely |
| 07:31.46 | CM | Ok, I'll give it a try then |
| 07:31.52 | daMaestro | yessssssss.. i just pulled the latests image.. it seems to be transfering now |
| 07:32.03 | daMaestro | latest* |
| 07:32.08 | CM | I need the default USB console :) |
| 07:32.40 | daMaestro | http://nopaste.com/p/aGxuNf0N3 was the issue i was dealing with |
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| 07:33.42 | Oryn | daMaestro: if its the 22nd image I couldn't get it to work |
| 07:34.07 | Oryn | daMaestro, ssh doesn't seem to work |
| 07:34.25 | daMaestro | Oryn, i think it was (and i think that is what i just grabbed also) |
| 07:34.39 | daMaestro | but the error was something about the image was too large for the space on nand |
| 07:34.40 | jeddy3 | is it possible to use a own local repository, built with Mokomakefile, as ipkg repository for OM? |
| 07:35.04 | Oryn | daMaestro, did you erase your nand? |
| 07:35.12 | daMaestro | Oryn, yes |
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| 07:35.19 | mickey-tw | jeddy3: sure. just adjust /etc/ipkg/*.conf appropriately |
| 07:35.24 | Oryn | oh, it fits fine here |
| 07:35.35 | daMaestro | it's actually transferring today :-D |
| 07:36.14 | Oryn | daMaestro, the problem with the 17th and 19th is related to librarys |
| 07:36.56 | Oryn | daMaestro, they are somehow empty directories rather than links |
| 07:37.59 | Oryn | I think there is a problem with the scripts used to generate the images |
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| 07:39.21 | Oryn | anyone had any problems flashing their moko via a usb hub? |
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| 07:39.59 | daMaestro | Oryn, very much so |
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| 07:42.32 | Oryn | daMaestro, thats not good, I want to setup a build environment on my server (which lives in my attic due to it being ultra noisy) usb is only available with a 10 metre extension, which has 2 active elements |
| 07:43.08 | daMaestro | so, why use usb? why not use ethernet? |
| 07:43.13 | Oryn | daMaestro, I'm using a sunray terminal to talk to it |
| 07:43.38 | daMaestro | i'm sorry |
| 07:43.48 | Oryn | daMaestro, wheres the eternet port on the open moko? |
| 07:43.55 | jeddy3 | mickey-tw, does mokomafile/openembedded automagically create ipkgs and packages.gz? |
| 07:43.57 | Oryn | ethernet* |
| 07:44.19 | daMaestro | no, i don't mean connect the neo to your server.. i mean connect it to your local machine and just use ipkg |
| 07:44.22 | Pengu1n | jeddy3: yes. |
| 07:44.33 | mickey-tw | jeddy3: openembedded does, either when you bitbake foo-image, or when you call bitbake package-index |
| 07:45.09 | Oryn | daMaestro, my local machine doesn't support ACM devices |
| 07:45.30 | Oryn | it being a thin client :P |
| 07:46.01 | jeddy3 | mickey-tw, Pengu1n, ah nice |
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| 07:52.49 | daMaestro | ok! |
| 07:52.52 | daMaestro | holy moly. |
| 07:53.39 | daMaestro | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01.jffs2 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/uImage-neo1973-latest.bin "fresh after flash... made a call and everything worked" |
| 07:53.40 | daMaestro | good work |
| 07:53.51 | CM | :) |
| 07:54.18 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03mickey * r3296 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/include/gsmd/Makefile.am: gsmd: install ts0705 and ts0707 header files, they're now required. |
| 07:54.19 | mickey-tw | daMaestro: glad to hear |
| 07:54.37 | mickey-tw | like i said in my blog, it's almost there |
| 07:54.57 | daMaestro | yes, it's getting there |
| 07:54.58 | mickey-tw | please share your findings |
| 07:55.06 | mickey-tw | we need a bit more positive news |
| 07:55.11 | mickey-tw | after all the complaints ; |
| 07:55.12 | mickey-tw | ) |
| 07:55.36 | daMaestro | i'll eventually get my blog up.. i'm waiting to move a customer site from plone to django so i can upgrade to plone 3 |
| 07:55.50 | daMaestro | "back up" i should say |
| 07:56.34 | daMaestro | mickey-tw, .. btw, http://damaestro.us/photography |
| 07:57.03 | mickey-tw | ah cool |
| 07:59.22 | xzcvczx | does anyone know what i need to install on the neo to use sqlite in a program? |
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| 08:03.29 | daMaestro | wowzers ... and ipkg update && ipkg upgrade actually worked first time |
| 08:03.44 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03mickey * r3297 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/include/gsmd/Makefile.am: gsmd: install ts0707 and ts0705 headers |
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| 08:10.25 | xzcvczx | daMaestro: are you able to do an 'ipkg list_installed' on a brand new system and put it up somewhere? |
| 08:11.23 | daMaestro | xzcvczx, http://nopaste.com/p/a8YP0OOlW |
| 08:11.28 | xzcvczx | thanks |
| 08:11.35 | daMaestro | hmm for some reason, feedreader isn't working |
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| 08:18.39 | xzcvczx | daMaestro: that ones unmodified? |
| 08:19.21 | daMaestro | xzcvczx, just pulled it from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/ and ran an ipkg update && ipkg upgrade |
| 08:19.31 | xzcvczx | ok |
| 08:19.58 | xzcvczx | whats the space free on the flash? |
| 08:20.30 | daMaestro | i just shut it down |
| 08:20.41 | daMaestro | i can power it back up, if it's actually an important question |
| 08:20.47 | xzcvczx | nah dont worry |
| 08:20.51 | xzcvczx | i will survice |
| 08:20.53 | xzcvczx | survive |
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| 08:23.28 | daMaestro | xzcvczx, http://nopaste.com/p/aQfqHKzb7 |
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| 08:24.10 | xzcvczx | daMaestro: thanks a log |
| 08:24.54 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03mickey * r3298 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog data/Makefile.am data/default_ringtone.ogg): openmoko-dialer: remove default_ringtone.ogg, we use pulseaudio to trigger the ringtone |
| 08:25.19 | xzcvczx | s/log/lot |
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| 08:25.40 | xzcvczx | i have just realised where i am losing 13mb anyway... dang logs |
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| 08:43.42 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:49.55 | xzcvczx | note to self..... remember theres no way to hang up a call.. well that i can see anyway unless someone else knows |
| 08:50.23 | CM | Maybe the power button closes the dialer? |
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| 08:52.22 | xzcvczx | nope |
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| 08:54.58 | xzcvczx | lol killing dialer seems to make gsmd die |
| 08:55.00 | Xx13 | On the planet mickeyl says, that gsm module need a firmware upgrade, anyone knows anything about that? neither openmoko nor qtopia can get the gsm going on my neo |
| 08:55.17 | CM | Xx13: It's probably bug 666 |
| 08:55.18 | xzcvczx | Xx13: still waiting on the lawyers |
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| 08:56.28 | gamin | anybody here having the gllin binary? |
| 08:56.34 | Xx13 | CM: so technically there shouldn't be anything wrong with gsm hardware or firmware? |
| 08:57.06 | CM | Xx13: Not the hardware as far as I know, but the firmware doesn't handle some SIM cards |
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| 08:57.45 | Xx13 | CM: ok, then i can blame the software ;) |
| 08:58.11 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03mickey * r3299 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-appmanager2/ (ChangeLog data/openmoko-appmanager.desktop): openmoko-appmanager2: Set SingleInstance=true and improve purpose comment |
| 08:58.14 | CM | Let's hope that's the case, and that the lawyers get their papers done some time |
| 08:58.17 | CM | :) |
| 08:58.55 | Xx13 | CM: i've managed to call another phone manually... |
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| 08:59.22 | CM | Oh, ok. Hmm.. Then it must be something else that's the problem |
| 09:01.15 | Xx13 | CM: on openmoko side there seems to be no connection with the software and GSM, in qtopia, in one if the 3 runs it managed to get registered, but wouldn't call either ;( |
| 09:02.48 | CM | But how did you manage to call manually then? |
| 09:02.48 | Xx13 | this got me thinking that the problem may be common between the two |
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| 09:04.07 | Xx13 | there is a utility that connects the modem, and you can do AT comammands like AT+CREG or whichever, and you i called my other phone with that |
| 09:04.49 | Xx13 | couldn't get any sounds, but at least the call was made |
| 09:05.15 | CM | How new is your rootfs? |
| 09:06.26 | Xx13 | i flashed it bout 3 weeks ago, with latest image i could find |
| 09:06.53 | Xx13 | and then ipkg update/upgrade (every nite ;) |
| 09:06.53 | CM | Ok. A lot has happened since, gsmd was a bit broken at that time |
| 09:06.58 | CM | Heh, ok |
| 09:06.59 | CM | :) |
| 09:07.26 | Xx13 | that's what i thought... |
| 09:09.25 | Xx13 | how reliable is ipkg, will i gain anything from reflushing rootfs? |
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| 09:15.08 | *** topic/#openmoko is The OpenMoko Project - http://openmoko.org - Neo1973 GTA01 on sale at https://direct.openmoko.com || Do not ask about GTA02 (December as of last update, yes, that's the one with WiFi, and no, there's no cam, GPS will be u-blox/Atmel ATR0635 ). |
| 09:15.45 | Xx13 | that's not too good, but i installed some packages and then removed them for lack of space, could there be any garbage left on the file system, or some missmerged configs |
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| 09:20.11 | ljp | Xx13: I have one sim that refuses to work on a v4 neo, but works fine in a v3 neo |
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| 09:21.02 | Xx13 | lJp: it doesn't seem to be a problem of the sim |
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| 09:42.35 | mickey-tw | abraxa_: ping |
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| 09:43.45 | mickey-tw | abraxa_: om-mediaplayer is a bit broken, guess you committed right within some changes (update_session parameter in set_volume) |
| 09:44.48 | zecke | moin |
| 09:45.05 | mickey-tw | heya |
| 09:45.45 | viq_ | ahoy |
| 09:48.11 | hrw | hi |
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| 09:53.48 | CM | I think the icon for "Generic PC" in Leopard is a bit mean: http://media.arstechnica.com/reviews/os/mac-os-x-10-5.media/public.generic-pc.png |
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| 09:57.34 | jeddy3 | lol :D |
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| 10:06.29 | XorA | abraxa_: youve broken media player from looks of things, some changes to omp_playback_set_volume? |
| 10:06.38 | _buz | ~lart nokia for not adding gsm to n810 |
| 10:06.38 | apt | installs PocketPC on nokia's PDA for not adding gsm to n810 |
| 10:06.47 | _buz | roooofl |
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| 10:09.51 | CM | apt: botsnack |
| 10:09.51 | apt | CM: aw, gee |
| 10:10.37 | hrw | XorA: can you put fix for mediaplayer2 dependencies? |
| 10:10.41 | hrw | !ombug 929 |
| 10:10.42 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 929, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 10:10.43 | cdbot2 | * * hrw(AT)openedhand.com: GConf setting for orientation |
| 10:10.44 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=929 |
| 10:10.47 | hrw | ops |
| 10:11.29 | hrw | !ombug 963 |
| 10:11.30 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 963, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 10:11.31 | cdbot2 | * * hrw(AT)openedhand.com: Mediaplayer SHOULD depend on gst-plugin-pulse |
| 10:11.32 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=963 |
| 10:12.43 | XorA | or on openmoko-sound-system |
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| 10:13.08 | XorA | mickey-tw: got an opinion? |
| 10:13.32 | mickey-tw | XorA: fine with me |
| 10:13.50 | hrw | XorA: no - mediaplayer |
| 10:13.51 | mickey-tw | now that it actually hardcodes the pulsesink, the rdependency is justified |
| 10:14.02 | hrw | or fix mediaplayer to unhardcore plugin |
| 10:14.08 | mickey-tw | no way |
| 10:14.19 | mickey-tw | needs to be hardcoded else it won't work at all on gta01 :) |
| 10:14.19 | XorA | hrw: no, mediaplayer depends on openmoko-sound-system is what I propose |
| 10:14.38 | hrw | I ave gta01bv4 to my brother-in-law for a weekend and we found few new bugs |
| 10:14.43 | XorA | means when pulse is replaced by something cooler, all still works :-) |
| 10:14.48 | mickey-tw | XorA: heh |
| 10:14.53 | mickey-tw | unlikely :) |
| 10:14.57 | mickey-tw | pulse rockz |
| 10:15.09 | hrw | he wanted to have neo as next phone and still wants but found softtware not intuitive |
| 10:15.34 | mickey-tw | hrw: feel free to add more bugs. make sure o-hand doesn't get idle ;) |
| 10:15.45 | hrw | mickey-tw: haha |
| 10:16.16 | hrw | mickey-tw: remember that we sends invoices to your company for bug testing too ;) |
| 10:16.44 | mickey-tw | i know i know... |
| 10:16.58 | hrw | during this week I plan to do some testing of newest software |
| 10:17.15 | hrw | mickey-tw: I even have something new for you - neod also got bug request |
| 10:17.34 | hrw | but I think that menus placement will be hard to fix |
| 10:18.09 | XorA | someone should spell check as well, its Bluetooth, not Bluetooh that openmoko applets say :-) |
| 10:21.32 | hrw | mickey-tw: I think that soon neod menu-on-power should change to fullscreen window with a way to enable/disable/check_status of gps/gsm/bt/wifi, enable flightmode, switch profiles etc\ |
| 10:21.39 | hrw | mickey-tw: wat do you think? |
| 10:22.03 | mickey-tw | hmm |
| 10:22.07 | mickey-tw | fullscreen? |
| 10:22.09 | cjb_ie | so long as it doesn't take as long as the same thing on the p910i |
| 10:22.10 | mickey-tw | dunno |
| 10:22.21 | mickey-tw | need to think about that |
| 10:22.46 | cjb_ie | power on... wait ten seconds... then you get to say "yup, i want you to power on" and wait another 20 seconds while it continues booting. |
| 10:22.55 | hrw | mickey-tw: now there is no place to enable flightmode, no place to check what is a status of wifi/bt/gps |
| 10:23.04 | mickey-tw | yeah |
| 10:23.07 | mickey-tw | it's under construction |
| 10:23.51 | XorA | mickey-tw: change that wall paper to an under construction sign |
| 10:24.00 | mickey-tw | good idea |
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| 10:40.12 | xzcvczx | gps is allowed on a plane isnt it? |
| 10:40.36 | Xx13 | it's only a receiver after all |
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| 10:41.17 | CM | I don't think it will work or? What's the official speed limit allowed on a GPS? |
| 10:42.08 | xzcvczx | missile speed |
| 10:42.21 | Xx13 | but will you see enough sats, through a tiny window? |
| 10:42.25 | xzcvczx | well above that of a commercial jet |
| 10:42.43 | xzcvczx | Xx13: planes are only rather thin aluminium |
| 10:42.56 | cjb_ie | xzcvczx: it works fine for me |
| 10:43.12 | cjb_ie | but you have to have it right in the window, and preferably on the more south-facing side |
| 10:43.28 | cjb_ie | then you get an excellent sky view |
| 10:43.57 | Xx13 | why south? |
| 10:44.15 | xzcvczx | for hern hemisphere |
| 10:44.15 | cjb_ie | sorry. equator-facing side |
| 10:44.24 | xzcvczx | north* |
| 10:44.30 | Xx13 | again, why? |
| 10:44.42 | xzcvczx | no dishes at poles |
| 10:44.53 | xzcvczx | cjb_ie: what sorta plane is that in? |
| 10:45.40 | Xx13 | gps sats are not geostationary and they are not on equator orbit |
| 10:45.48 | cjb_ie | Xx13: the GPS satellite orbits only go 55 degrees from the equator |
| 10:46.06 | SpeedEvil | So unless you are north enough to see the ones over the poles, ... |
| 10:47.14 | cjb_ie | xzcvczx: smallish airbuses (A330?) and boeing (737?) with aer lingus, 747 or similar with transatlantic carriers |
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| 10:48.18 | xzcvczx | cjb_ie: hmmm i am hoping it will work in a small top wing plane with being under the wing |
| 10:48.41 | Xx13 | hmm what is the latitude of 55 degrees? |
| 10:49.08 | Xx13 | i mean what cities |
| 10:49.54 | cjb_ie | Xx13: in the northern hemisphere - roughly the south end of sweden, middle of ireland/uk, or a few degrees north of the US/canada border. |
| 10:49.56 | SpeedEvil | aberdeen |
| 10:50.05 | SpeedEvil | edinburgh |
| 10:50.07 | SpeedEvil | dundee |
| 10:50.09 | SpeedEvil | stirling |
| 10:50.54 | xzcvczx | anyone done any programming for gps stuff? |
| 10:51.00 | SpeedEvil | Yes |
| 10:51.14 | SpeedEvil | In what way? |
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| 10:51.53 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: well stage 1: distance between 2 points |
| 10:52.36 | Xx13 | we did a small pilot trying to link gps coordinates to a map from phone catalogue, doing it properly turned out rather hairy |
| 10:52.51 | SpeedEvil | xzcvczx: you mean just spherical trig? |
| 10:52.53 | cjb_ie | xzcvczx: that's hardly GPS programming :-) you can do it in a couple of lines |
| 10:53.15 | cjb_ie | there's a wikipedia article, google for "great circle distance" |
| 10:54.07 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: well i have found a couple of formulas for it, but am mostly wondering if you have 55.3243230 189.10988 what do you use as the inputs for radians |
| 10:54.43 | xzcvczx | cjb_ie: thanks am looking now |
| 10:55.02 | cjb_ie | http://www.google.com/search?q=1+degree+in+radians :-) |
| 10:55.09 | SpeedEvil | xzcvczx: there are 2 pi radians in a circle |
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| 10:55.43 | cjb_ie | so the conversion from degrees to radians is multiply by pi/180 |
| 10:56.32 | xzcvczx | can you literally take it as 55.3243230 degrees or do you need to convert if from degrees,mins,secs |
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| 10:56.46 | cjb_ie | that one looks like decimal degrees. |
| 10:56.49 | SpeedEvil | xzcvczx: from where? |
| 10:56.58 | SpeedEvil | xzcvczx: is that number? |
| 10:57.25 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: nmea data/this one in particular a made up number though |
| 10:57.36 | SpeedEvil | xzcvczx: in that case, you need to do |
| 10:58.20 | cjb_ie | nmea is evil - it looks like decimal but isn't |
| 10:58.31 | xzcvczx | cjb_ie: yeah thats why im asking |
| 10:59.06 | SpeedEvil | 3600)+(m*60)+s,ndeg,nmin,wdeg,wmin, ndeg+(nmin/60),wdeg+(wmin/60), $10,$9,herr+0 |
| 10:59.06 | SpeedEvil | ,err+0,v } |
| 10:59.21 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:59.27 | SpeedEvil | at the beginning of those lines ratehr |
| 10:59.30 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:59.30 | SpeedEvil | 3600)+(m*60)+s,ndeg,nmin,wdeg,wmin, ndeg+(nmin/60),wdeg+(wmin/60), $10,$9,herr+0 |
| 10:59.31 | SpeedEvil | ,err+0,v } |
| 10:59.34 | SpeedEvil | (awk) |
| 10:59.35 | cjb_ie | SpeedEvil: what's that, perl? |
| 10:59.46 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 10:59.49 | SpeedEvil | ignore that |
| 11:00.12 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 11:00.35 | xzcvczx | hmmm i am quite surprised that gpsd doesnt have stuff like this in it |
| 11:00.54 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/gpsproc |
| 11:01.05 | SpeedEvil | you need to conver the decimal degrees/min/sec |
| 11:01.06 | SpeedEvil | it does |
| 11:01.16 | SpeedEvil | you can ask for lat/lon in all sortfs of format |
| 11:01.27 | xzcvczx | ah ok |
| 11:01.30 | cjb_ie | xzcvczx: um, it gives decimal degrees by default |
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| 11:01.34 | xzcvczx | well that should make it a bit easier then |
| 11:01.42 | cjb_ie | xzcvczx: but if you ask it to give you raw nmea, it'll give you the raw nmea |
| 11:02.00 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 11:02.21 | SpeedEvil | that code above parses raw NMEA and puts out time, north decimal degrees, east |
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| 11:08.00 | PBeck | hi |
| 11:08.03 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03abraxa * r3300 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/src/playback.c: Remove erroneous update_session parameter in omp_playback_set_volume() |
| 11:08.03 | xzcvczx | hmmm the battery is lasting quite a long time now isnt it |
| 11:08.25 | abraxa_ | mickey-tw: Thanks for the hint - looks like I was a little tired yesterday indeed ;) |
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| 11:11.57 | mickey-tw | abraxa_: hehe, np |
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| 11:16.25 | abraxa_ | xzcvczx / Xx13: The GPS might actually employ a RF generator (-> Superhet principle) so it could be forbidden to use on planes as well |
| 11:17.52 | xzcvczx | abraxa_: how would you work out if it did? |
| 11:18.04 | Xx13 | abraxa: so it will radiate more then a a laptop?? |
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| 11:21.21 | abraxa_ | xzcvczx: Work out... what? |
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| 11:22.00 | abraxa_ | Xx13: No but it might actually still be enough to interfere with on-board logic - at least the FAA is very strict about that, and I think that's a Good Thing (tm) |
| 11:23.47 | Xx13 | abraxa: hmm, it seems the plane instrument insulation is getting better, some airlines are planning to allow use of mobiles |
| 11:24.44 | Xx13 | can't remember how soon though... maybe couple of years time |
| 11:26.08 | abraxa_ | Some do in Germany |
| 11:26.11 | abraxa_ | It frightens me. |
| 11:26.33 | abraxa_ | Not because of interferences with on-board systems but because of the noise level ;p |
| 11:28.09 | xzcvczx | yeah i am not looking forward to cells on planes either |
| 11:28.29 | cjb_ie | no doubt they'll be fantastically expensive though |
| 11:28.32 | xzcvczx | they should just soundproof the toilets and only allow you to use cells in the toilets |
| 11:28.49 | xzcvczx | cjb_ie: oh well just wait til planes have wifi/internet then just use voip |
| 11:29.06 | mbuf | xzcvczx, people will get annoyed with loud speakers |
| 11:29.09 | cjb_ie | xzcvczx: like that won't also be fantastically expensive? :-) |
| 11:29.28 | xzcvczx | cjb_ie: just steal it from the person in the seat beside you :P |
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| 11:32.40 | xzcvczx | how do we change the default ip on the phone? |
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| 11:40.59 | CM | xzcvczx: Take a look at /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 11:41.22 | xzcvczx | ah |
| 11:41.23 | CM | abraxa_: :) |
| 11:41.40 | abraxa_ | Hiho CM |
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| 12:31.10 | mbuf | what profile should be changed to Junior Developers, so they can update their project tasks in GForge? right now it is "Tech" |
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| 12:43.54 | hrw | abraxa_: I have a question |
| 12:44.01 | hrw | !ombug 963 |
| 12:44.02 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 963, Status: RESOLVED (FIXED), Created: Unknown |
| 12:44.03 | cdbot2 | * * hrw(AT)openedhand.com: Mediaplayer SHOULD depend on gst-plugin-pulse |
| 12:44.04 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=963 |
| 12:44.18 | abraxa_ | hrw: Yeah? |
| 12:44.26 | abraxa_ | *looks* |
| 12:44.37 | hrw | abraxa_: please look at bug #963 (already solved) and try to make it usable more |
| 12:44.56 | abraxa_ | It is now :) |
| 12:44.57 | hrw | abraxa_: I mean: if there is no gst-plugin-pulse then stay alive with requester |
| 12:45.05 | abraxa_ | You probably had an old SVN rev |
| 12:45.13 | hrw | perhaps |
| 12:45.22 | abraxa_ | Thanks for the hint, however |
| 12:45.35 | abraxa_ | Your bug testing is appreciated :) |
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| 12:45.51 | hrw | abraxa_: this time it was my brohter-in-law testing |
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| 13:01.40 | LarstiQ_ | kristian-m: actually trying to sms I get 'Store: error -311' back from libgsmd-tool. Any idea what is going on there? |
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| 13:34.45 | mwester | g'mornin' |
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| 13:40.30 | xzcvczx | good evening |
| 13:40.45 | wibbit | good afternoon |
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| 13:41.01 | xzcvczx | well actually it is morning here |
| 13:41.06 | xzcvczx | 2:41 :S |
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| 13:44.51 | Sup3rkiddo | any libgsmd experts here? |
| 13:46.05 | mwester | ~ask |
| 13:46.05 | apt | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 13:46.42 | mwester | (I often wonder about that last sentence...) |
| 13:47.49 | Sup3rkiddo | bah, ok...its kinda big...alright so i my handlers arent getting called even after i register them with lgsm_register_handler...i understand that only upon a successful return they are called.. |
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| 13:49.29 | Sup3rkiddo | so is this how libgsmd works, we use its API for example, lgsm_voice_out_init(), asks gsmd to give appropriate AT commands, a message is generated upon success and we handle the message using the message handlers registered using lgsm_Register_handler..thats how everythin works..right? |
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| 13:50.44 | Sup3rkiddo | ~lart apt |
| 13:50.44 | apt | beats sup3rkiddo to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 13:50.51 | Sup3rkiddo | bah |
| 13:50.58 | mwester | Ouch. |
| 13:51.41 | Sup3rkiddo | gsmd lists have been pretty quite on this,,if only i could solve this, i attain peace =( |
| 13:51.59 | mwester | My engineering professor would have been very harsh on apt for that improper conversion of units. 1 inch != 2.54 cm |
| 13:52.20 | Sup3rkiddo | ~lart mwester |
| 13:52.20 | apt | executes killall -TERM mwester |
| 13:52.26 | Sup3rkiddo | there..settles it |
| 13:52.51 | Vegar | mwester: what's the proper conversion then? |
| 13:53.11 | mwester | 1 in = 3 cm, 1.00 in = 2.54 cm |
| 13:53.25 | Vegar | errr |
| 13:53.31 | Vegar | right |
| 13:53.45 | Vegar | what's the difference between 1 in and 1.00 in? |
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| 13:53.57 | Sup3rkiddo | float |
| 13:54.17 | Sup3rkiddo | 2.54 gets rounded off to the nearest integer..3 |
| 13:54.28 | Sup3rkiddo | am i smart or what :P |
| 13:55.07 | mwester | precision. You cannot have more digits of precision in the result of the conversion than you have in the original. So 1 in = 3 cm, 1.0 in = 2.5 cm, 1.00 in = 2.54 cm, etc. |
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| 13:55.59 | Sup3rkiddo | hey, thats what i told |
| 13:55.59 | Vegar | ah, yeah |
| 13:56.01 | Vegar | that's true |
| 13:56.03 | mwester | It's not stricly float either: 1 mile != 5280 ft -- rather, 1 mile = 5000 feet. |
| 13:56.16 | mwester | 1.000 mile = 5280 feet. |
| 13:56.21 | Vegar | I'm glad I don't have to do those conversions |
| 13:57.33 | mwester | Over 25 years after those classes, and I still recal getting failing marks on tests because of such conversions... I should sue the school for emotional distress. |
| 13:57.44 | mwester | :P |
| 13:57.45 | abraxa_ | mwester: How is 1 in = 3 cm? If he wants to be a PITA and account for float->int conversion then it would be 2cm if anything as no rounding happens |
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| 13:58.18 | mwester | Rounding is good. truncation is not. |
| 13:58.29 | Sup3rkiddo | man, why didnt they pack emacs for the neo, i hate vi |
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| 13:58.37 | mwester | It wasn't float->int conversion, this was in the era of slide-rules. |
| 13:59.00 | abraxa_ | mwester: Ah... still, I would've talked back ;p |
| 13:59.04 | mwester | The hand calculator was just becoming popular, and scientific ones were just becoming affordable. |
| 13:59.21 | LarstiQ_ | Sup3rkiddo: and emacs would fit, how? |
| 13:59.22 | mwester | He *HATED* calculators... :) |
| 14:01.27 | mwester | Sup3rkiddo: try ipkg install joe, then type "jmacs" -- it's a reasonable clone. And there are those who have run the full emacs on the neo, you do need to install it on the SD card due to size (but it works! Image running emacs on your phone - pretty cool!) |
| 14:01.54 | mickey-tw | zile should also be resonable close |
| 14:01.57 | mwester | Imagine, even |
| 14:01.57 | Sup3rkiddo | wow, nice........... |
| 14:01.59 | mickey-tw | i added this for an emacs lover |
| 14:02.14 | LarstiQ_ | oh, concerning SD cards I should probably note somewhere that my 6GB card seems to work fine. |
| 14:02.39 | mwester | oh, cool. A bit pricey for me yet, but it's good to know that they work. |
| 14:03.46 | LarstiQ_ | mwester: it was 52 euro |
| 14:04.00 | LarstiQ_ | which is reasonably imo. |
| 14:05.41 | CM | LarstiQ_: Reasonable for sure, nice :D |
| 14:10.08 | Sup3rkiddo | anyone, please please please, gimme a hint..i promise i will buy you a pint |
| 14:10.17 | xzcvczx | mwester: lol its good for anyone whos not yank |
| 14:10.59 | LarstiQ_ | Sup3rkiddo: I'm sorry to have no idea. |
| 14:11.16 | Sup3rkiddo | ~lart Sup3rkiddo |
| 14:11.16 | apt | DoSes Sup3rkiddo |
| 14:11.17 | CM | Sup3rkiddo: As I get it, hopefully you can use dbus for that stuff soon, or am I mistaken? |
| 14:11.27 | abraxa_ | Sup3rkiddo: What's your prob? |
| 14:11.48 | Sup3rkiddo | so is this how libgsmd works, we use its API for example, lgsm_voice_out_init(), asks gsmd to give appropriate AT commands, a message is generated upon success and we handle the message using the message handlers registered using lgsm_Register_handler..thats how everythin works..right? |
| 14:12.22 | mickey-tw | basically yes |
| 14:12.40 | mickey-tw | in the near future, this will go towards dbus though |
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| 14:12.48 | mickey-tw | as an addition though |
| 14:12.57 | mickey-tw | the present interface will stay |
| 14:13.04 | fatal- | so, is somebody now doing an dbus binding? |
| 14:13.22 | mickey-tw | yeah, that's what i heard |
| 14:13.42 | fatal- | hmm. I actually have something implemented |
| 14:14.04 | mickey-tw | nice |
| 14:14.05 | mickey-tw | show us |
| 14:14.08 | mwester | mickey-tw: Can you share any information on the future of gsmd -- is it going to be re-written/replaced, or will it remain? |
| 14:14.08 | Sup3rkiddo | oh dang...then gsmd will undergo a rewrite?!, i am just writing a raw binding...i am able to connect and gsmd sends AT, its the return message isnt handled no where, |
| 14:14.31 | Sup3rkiddo | wasnt it libmokogsmd which is going to be replace by PhoneKit? |
| 14:14.44 | mickey-tw | mwester: i think i answered that previously |
| 14:14.50 | mickey-tw | mwester: it will remain for some time |
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| 14:15.05 | fatal- | mickey-tw: I might as well, soon. it's more or less just proposal for the dbus api with some framework implemented but it needs more tweaking still |
| 14:15.25 | mickey-tw | hmm, why does anyone think a dbus interface would end up in a gsmd rewrite? it's not going to |
| 14:15.31 | fatal- | I was hacking something else, but then I started to adapt the interface towards what libgsmd does |
| 14:16.06 | fatal- | which is exactly why it needs more tweaking |
| 14:16.14 | mwester | Probably because there have been frequent comments to the effect that the current gsmd was expermental, and not intended to be part of the final product. |
| 14:16.40 | Sup3rkiddo | mickey-tw, but that interface would end up as a higher level stuff, right...libgsmd and gsmd would remain albeit with minor changes? |
| 14:16.53 | mickey-tw | yes |
| 14:17.01 | mwester | This characterization of gsmd is probably what leads to many folks thinking that it would be replaced by something else, perhaps d-bus based... |
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| 14:17.12 | mickey-tw | mwester: i dunno where you heard that from. i never made such comments and i doubt anyone from OM did |
| 14:17.39 | Sup3rkiddo | hmm, that doesnt affect me then...afaik, everything is communicated using sockets...which i kinda love |
| 14:17.52 | mwester | Well, I'm not going to dig into the archives, but I think Harald is OM, and I'm pretty sure he said that on either a blog entry or on the ML. |
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| 14:18.32 | Sup3rkiddo | fatal-, by any chance you hacking on libgsmd? |
| 14:18.35 | CM | gsmd has been called "a hack" |
| 14:19.25 | fatal- | Sup3rkiddo: no, not really. been looking into it. I've had something similar in the works recently, but thought that I might be able to contribute something on the dbus side |
| 14:19.46 | fatal- | depends what's wanted. a direct mapping from libgsmd into dbus or something else |
| 14:19.52 | mwester | I seem to recall a recent discussion that indicated that gsmd needed to be replaced by something that handled the modem syncronously -- did that discussion not involve someone from OM? |
| 14:20.15 | fatal- | dbus + synchronous does not really work on the long run |
| 14:20.20 | fatal- | I believe |
| 14:20.22 | fatal- | but |
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| 14:21.02 | Sup3rkiddo | mwester, wasnt that "improvements" rather than rewrite...afaik, libmokogsmd is gonna be booted after reading up mickey's post |
| 14:21.48 | fatal- | I've been testing something that stacks at commands and has d-bus api for it |
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| 14:23.12 | fatal- | I'd just like to know into which parts the dbus api at the moment is really wanted for. controlling parts of the modem and the PhoneKit does the rest, communicating directly via libgsmd? |
| 14:23.12 | Sup3rkiddo | just out of curiosity, is d-bus a performance overhead? |
| 14:23.28 | fatal- | not very much |
| 14:23.32 | mickey-tw | or course. every layer of indirection is a performance overhead |
| 14:23.32 | fatal- | it's pretty thin |
| 14:23.48 | mickey-tw | but abstraction brings its own merits |
| 14:23.49 | Sup3rkiddo | libgsmd API is pretty stratiforward..took me a day to learn.. |
| 14:24.25 | Sup3rkiddo | the gsmd is whats kinda unpredictable.. |
| 14:24.36 | fatal- | well, it's pretty straightforward in a sense, but the remaining question is still, is it so that a direct 1:1 mapping of that api is wanted for d-bus api or something else? |
| 14:25.01 | fatal- | ie. is the api coming for PhoneKit or for gsmd? |
| 14:25.08 | Sup3rkiddo | hmm, PhoneKit |
| 14:25.45 | fatal- | ok, so, only parts of the libgsmd would be really exposed |
| 14:25.54 | fatal- | I believe signal status etc? |
| 14:25.55 | Sup3rkiddo | eggjactly |
| 14:26.18 | fatal- | lemme check |
| 14:26.21 | Sup3rkiddo | ..and thats how i have been using it in my python bindings |
| 14:27.26 | Sup3rkiddo | fatal-, check this out, http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/python-gsmd/src/py_voicecall.c?rev=69&root=python-openmoko&view=markup |
| 14:27.59 | fatal- | well. |
| 14:28.26 | fatal- | I believe atleast pin and voicecall api's are such that could be directly exposed for the d-bus interface? |
| 14:28.29 | fatal- | but what else |
| 14:28.36 | Sup3rkiddo | network |
| 14:28.42 | Sup3rkiddo | sms |
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| 14:29.07 | fatal- | btw. is openmoko going to use the modem to store sms messages? |
| 14:29.19 | fatal- | because the libgsmd has lots of stuff related to that |
| 14:29.38 | fatal- | but somehow I believe which should be pretty irrelevant on any modern phone |
| 14:29.59 | Sup3rkiddo | you need a way to get back the messages the underlying stuff is throwing at you..for example, if you call signal quality, you need to "Get" it...which libgsmd-tool sorta does it well, but doesnt work in my case |
| 14:30.00 | Sup3rkiddo | =( |
| 14:30.41 | fatal- | one of the major issues I've been playing around while toying around with this one another thing is the async/sync issues |
| 14:31.12 | fatal- | in princible, dbus stuff does not like about waiting. because that blocks everything. including the UI |
| 14:31.50 | fatal- | thus I have one partial interface that has synchronous methods but async signals for almost all return values. |
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| 14:31.59 | fatal- | dbus has support for async methods toos |
| 14:31.59 | dread_ | hi all :) has someone read my post "bad diyplay" on the device-owners list ? |
| 14:31.59 | fatal- | too |
| 14:32.23 | fatal- | but, as afar as I know, no other command can proceed while doing that |
| 14:32.32 | Sup3rkiddo | ...hmm, but even if we through dbus in, its gonna be in PhoneKit which is a level higher.. |
| 14:32.57 | Sup3rkiddo | gsmd -> libgsmd -> PhoneKit (future libmokogsmd2?) |
| 14:33.07 | fatal- | -> dbus ... ? |
| 14:33.14 | Sup3rkiddo | Phonekit |
| 14:33.21 | Sup3rkiddo | Phonekit <- dbus? |
| 14:33.28 | fatal- | umm. well :) |
| 14:33.33 | Sup3rkiddo | :P |
| 14:33.38 | fatal- | depends how you think about it |
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| 14:36.28 | fatal- | ah, one important question, what is the status of the phonekit? |
| 14:36.55 | anrp | yay layers |
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| 14:41.22 | zash | abstractionlayers ftw |
| 14:41.46 | anrp | cakes have layers |
| 14:41.53 | anrp | everybody likes cakes |
| 14:42.00 | anrp | therefore everyone likes layers D: |
| 14:42.02 | Sup3rkiddo | mmm..cakes (Homer style) |
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| 14:44.38 | xzcvczx | dread: try cat /dev/input/touchscreen0 from ssh and see whether anything is happening when you are not touching the screen |
| 14:46.15 | fatal- | Sup3rkiddo: who knows currently most about what's going to happen with phonekit? |
| 14:47.08 | Sup3rkiddo | fatal-, just a sec, lemme fetch a link for ya |
| 14:47.32 | fatal- | I discussed with somebody on the channel the otherday.. but I already forgot the name |
| 14:47.47 | Sup3rkiddo | fatal-, http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/unbreaking-openmoko |
| 14:47.50 | Sup3rkiddo | koen? |
| 14:48.05 | fatal- | hmm, nope. |
| 14:48.10 | abraxa_ | Sup3rkiddo: Thomas wrote that mail actually, Koen just blogged about it |
| 14:48.29 | Sup3rkiddo | ah, ok..sorry |
| 14:48.37 | abraxa_ | Nothing to be sorry for ;) |
| 14:48.53 | Sup3rkiddo | sorry for the sorry |
| 14:48.58 | abraxa_ | fatal-: Was it thos by chance? |
| 14:49.03 | fatal- | abraxa_: yes |
| 14:49.16 | abraxa_ | That's Thomas Wood, yep |
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| 14:50.27 | fatal- | I could throw in an example how the dbus api could be done and implemented and somebody could then think is it usable model or not in this context. I've been mostly playing around with the dbus-glib binding lately. if that's not the model that is wanted, then it's bit off from my current focus |
| 14:51.03 | abraxa_ | fatal-: You might wanna mail Thomas directly in that case |
| 14:51.14 | fatal- | ok |
| 14:51.26 | Sup3rkiddo | fatal-, post that in the mailing list if you can, i want to follow the progress |
| 14:52.13 | fatal- | well, I can put the stuff on the framework-devel list then. |
| 14:52.39 | abraxa_ | Sounds good |
| 14:52.41 | fatal- | but I've to clean up it a bit and modify to be usable. not huge work though. |
| 14:53.32 | Sup3rkiddo | cool.. |
| 14:54.33 | fatal- | also, to be realistic, I should also try to combine it with simple example related to libgsmd, I believe. but let's see. |
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| 14:54.57 | Sup3rkiddo | fatal-, letme assure you, that part is a piece of cake..=) |
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| 14:58.52 | Sup3rkiddo | night all |
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| 15:04.40 | kristian-m | anyone here looked into the matchbox-keyboard code? |
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| 15:05.02 | hrw | hi |
| 15:06.55 | kristian-m | oh thats hidden then... ;) |
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| 15:22.45 | dread | xzcvczx: the no activity with cat /dev/input/touchscreen0 while I'm not touching the display |
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| 15:51.18 | LittleIdiot | has anybody in here tried to use pulseaudio for recording? i can't get it to work... i've compiled and run an application that works just fine on my host, but after compiling and running it on the neo, it outputs a stream of zero-bytes |
| 15:51.36 | LittleIdiot | yes, i checked the mixer settings for capture ;) |
| 15:54.22 | XorA | LittleIdiot: did you change DAI mode? |
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| 16:00.31 | LittleIdiot | gaah, daim irssi. |
| 16:04.51 | xzcvczx | LittleIdiot: nothing wrong with irssi |
| 16:07.10 | meus | irssi++ |
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| 16:08.52 | zash | irssi + screen ftw |
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| 16:09.15 | Sup3rkiddo | erc ftwftw |
| 16:09.53 | viq_ | erc? |
| 16:10.09 | Sup3rkiddo | emacs + irc = erc |
| 16:10.11 | XorA | LittleIdiot: did you change DAI mode? |
| 16:10.39 | Stephmw | Sup3rkiddo: regardless of emacs... screen is still a massive plus |
| 16:11.05 | Sup3rkiddo | Stephmw: well i run emacs with screen ==) |
| 16:11.17 | Stephmw | ah, so at least half sane :D |
| 16:11.26 | Sup3rkiddo | :P |
| 16:11.45 | Sup3rkiddo | viper |
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| 16:12.01 | xzcvczx | zash: yup |
| 16:12.16 | Sup3rkiddo | sucky imnsho...had a hard time when i converted from vi |
| 16:12.20 | xzcvczx | zash: well ssh -> screen -> irssi |
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| 16:13.29 | Sup3rkiddo | ~lart Stephmw |
| 16:13.29 | apt | whips Stephmw with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 16:14.06 | LittleIdiot | XorA: afaik not... i've used alsamixer to enable capturing (mic{1,2} and capture to 100%) and tried to load different settings from /etc/*.state |
| 16:14.31 | XorA | LittleIdiot: examine capturehandset/captureheadet files more closely |
| 16:14.43 | XorA | LittleIdiot: and test with arecord |
| 16:14.59 | XorA | LittleIdiot: arecord is best first test then get more complex |
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| 16:15.15 | LittleIdiot | ok, thank you |
| 16:15.56 | viq_ | Ah, yes, the operating system some people call a text editor ;) |
| 16:16.17 | zash | xzcvczx: yeah, precisly |
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| 16:20.07 | kristian-m | anyone at o-hand fixing the bugzilla right now? |
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| 16:20.49 | Sup3rkiddo | guys, just wondering, when usb_gadgetfs.h has been removed in linux > 2.6.22, how do i ssh into the qemu..i played a bit sneaky and copied over the header from the last version which had it..but am getting read errors... |
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| 17:08.24 | mypapit | hey there ppl |
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| 17:48.42 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03chris * r3301 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-worldclock2/ (9 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 17:48.42 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * Makefile.am: |
| 17:48.42 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * configure.ac: |
| 17:48.42 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * data/Makefile.am: |
| 17:48.42 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/Makefile.am: |
| 17:48.44 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/worldclock-data.c: |
| 17:48.46 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/worldclock-data.h: |
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| 17:54.34 | playya | http://nopaste.unixfreunde.de/253 |
| 17:54.45 | playya | anyone ideas how to fix this? |
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| 17:56.10 | zdanek | hallo all |
| 17:57.34 | florian | playya: That looks like something is really wrong - check the working directory and if you maybe ran out of disk space. |
| 17:58.02 | mwester | playya: the makefile for libgpewidget needs an "install" target, or the recipe to build it needs to know some other means to install it. Is that your recipe, or is this an unmodified build? |
| 17:58.05 | florian | playya: that error usually means that you do not have a Makefile in the build directory |
| 17:58.10 | playya | i had a problem with diskspace |
| 17:58.34 | playya | i havent modified it |
| 17:58.46 | Henryk | make clean-package-libgpewidget |
| 17:58.55 | Kero | mwester: your kernel worked fine; do you know (all) of the changes you had made to it? |
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| 17:59.03 | florian | hehe |
| 17:59.07 | florian | hi pH5 |
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| 17:59.29 | playya | the first line might also be a problem |
| 17:59.40 | mwester | Kero: Yes, all changes and patches are from the openmoko bug tracking system. |
| 17:59.41 | pH5 | hi florian |
| 17:59.46 | Kero | mwester: kernel is not perfect, still |
| 18:00.25 | Kero | but at least it recovers after issues. it's still working |
| 18:01.02 | Kero | and I've bashed it quite a bit, after which it got upset, still. |
| 18:01.21 | mwester | if you mean issues with the GSM modem, that would probably be the patch in bug 788. There is also a fix for power management that has kept my battery from going flat, I think. |
| 18:01.42 | Kero | mwester: so can you tell me which patches were applied? I was assuming the 788 patch at least, yes :) |
| 18:02.06 | mwester | The rest of the patches in that kernel enable features that are not used by openmoko software yet. |
| 18:02.08 | Kero | and I am talking gsm issues. got it to print those "[[P^" strings at some point, still. duno why |
| 18:02.40 | Kero | and then next day, it worked fine... and boots nicely since. |
| 18:03.16 | Kero | (got new info for gprs, will try that again tonight, didn't manage a connection so far) |
| 18:03.37 | mwester | Kero: this is the patch, then: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=351&action=view |
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| 18:04.14 | Kero | mwester: did that patch make it to OM or OE repos? |
| 18:04.43 | mwester | I have emailed the kernel devel mailing list to see if I can get that patch into one of the two repos. It is in neither right now, and people stumble over this problem almost every day or two. |
| 18:04.52 | Kero | so that it will happily remain in the kernel when it upgrades to 2.6.223 or 2.6.24 ... |
| 18:05.02 | Kero | ah, ok. cool. |
| 18:05.11 | Kero | you need a letter of support, perhaps? :) |
| 18:05.52 | mwester | Well, that is another question. I've also asked about the timing for the transition to the 2.6.23 kernel, but nobody seems to know. I expect that at some point the patch will have to be rebased for 2.6.23. |
| 18:07.03 | playya | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.15 | mwester | Basically, it is just a matter that there seem to be an huge number of backlogged kernel patches that are waiting; openmoko seems to have been busy working on adding GTA02 support to the 2.6.23 kernel, and it just hasn't been addressed yet. |
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| 18:08.02 | Kero | wrong priorities, said the GTA01 owner, who wasted time on the kernel instead of building applications. |
| 18:08.23 | Kero | but yeah, would be nice to have it included, so we do not need to worry that much anymore. |
| 18:09.38 | Kero | mwester: I'll add some of my experiences to the bugreport. maybe that helps, even tho I have to work from memory, not a logfile. |
| 18:10.35 | Kero | other than that, I guess I have to watch carefully what happens. and not upgrade the kernel without knowing enough details :) |
| 18:10.40 | Kero | thanks! |
| 18:12.24 | Kero | your kernel did get my Neo from "unable to do anything useful with a SIM" to "mess around without gsmd, libgsmdtool, calls a lot without too many troubles" |
| 18:12.35 | Kero | which I appreciate. |
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| 18:43.37 | Ghiottone | hello |
| 18:44.52 | zdanek | hello! |
| 18:45.34 | Ghiottone | what's up? |
| 18:46.25 | zdanek | I'm learning python |
| 18:46.33 | zdanek | to provide some support on settingsgui |
| 18:46.44 | zdanek | and write my own gsm state monitor |
| 18:47.17 | Ghiottone | :) |
| 18:47.24 | zdanek | as it's constanly keeps disconnecting from network |
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| 18:47.32 | zdanek | and I'm using only neo as my phone |
| 18:47.41 | Ghiottone | it seems that a plugin based architecture could be next settingsgui step :) |
| 18:47.44 | zdanek | so it could make an alert if it disconnects |
| 18:47.48 | zdanek | ehe |
| 18:48.08 | Ghiottone | I did not have the braveness to use neo only yet |
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| 18:48.36 | zdanek | I have to as it's the only working phone I have |
| 18:48.59 | zdanek | my old sony-ericsson is broken |
| 18:49.20 | zdanek | but still openmoko sometimes sux :( |
| 18:49.37 | zdanek | I like it very much until it loses connection with gsm net |
| 18:49.47 | zdanek | or rapidly loses power :( |
| 18:50.10 | zdanek | pwr mgmt is still bad |
| 18:50.11 | Ghiottone | first one will be fixed sooner or later... |
| 18:50.17 | zdanek | I hope |
| 18:50.23 | Ghiottone | but for the second, I fear that it will be harder |
| 18:51.19 | kristian-m | hi |
| 18:51.23 | Ghiottone | hello kristian-m |
| 18:51.29 | zdanek | hello kris |
| 18:52.19 | kristian-m | zdanek you're welcome to code on settingsgui :) |
| 18:53.02 | zdanek | yes, as I wrote you some time |
| 18:53.04 | zdanek | ago |
| 18:53.11 | zdanek | I'm learning py |
| 18:53.29 | kristian-m | nice |
| 18:53.37 | zdanek | we will see ;) |
| 18:53.48 | zdanek | maybe it'll be a bunch of crap |
| 18:53.55 | zdanek | or smooth app ;) |
| 18:54.29 | kristian-m | yeah, you don'T have to care just start going :-) |
| 18:55.58 | Ghiottone | projects.OM.org seems to be getting more populated :) |
| 18:56.13 | zdanek | I found lately 3keys app |
| 18:56.17 | zdanek | did you see it? |
| 18:56.20 | zdanek | it's very nice |
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| 18:56.42 | zdanek | need some time to use to and needs practise but it's very nice idea |
| 18:56.52 | Ghiottone | never tried it |
| 18:56.57 | Ghiottone | is it worth a try? |
| 18:57.03 | Ghiottone | oh |
| 18:57.37 | zdanek | it is worth of playing with |
| 18:57.49 | zdanek | runs even on pc |
| 18:57.56 | zdanek | with python-gtk installed on |
| 18:59.38 | zdanek | needs a few moments to understand the idea |
| 18:59.43 | zdanek | it's an keyboard |
| 18:59.51 | zdanek | use it like a joystick |
| 19:00.07 | zdanek | you draw a path to letters |
| 19:01.30 | Ghiottone | I wonder if there is a way to attach it to the openmoko panel |
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| 19:02.46 | kristian-m | Ghiottone it would then also have to generate x-messages to fill in selected text-entries |
| 19:03.23 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, what? x-messages? |
| 19:03.28 | kristian-m | Ghiottone have a look at matchbox-keyboard maybe you can adjust it to use the new method - somehow |
| 19:03.46 | zdanek | is somewhere written how to add new shortcut to applications list in openmoko? |
| 19:03.50 | zdanek | with own icon? |
| 19:04.11 | Ghiottone | is that the panel that shows up when you click on a text box? |
| 19:04.13 | kristian-m | Ghiottone x11 events |
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| 19:04.47 | Ghiottone | zdanek, to add application you need to add a .desktop file to /usr/share/applications |
| 19:04.56 | Ghiottone | zdanek, have a look at the existing ones |
| 19:04.59 | zdanek | awesome |
| 19:05.06 | zdanek | I needed that hint |
| 19:05.14 | zdanek | thank you |
| 19:05.22 | kristian-m | Ghiottone it's 'matchbox -d' that has registered an event on entry of a textbox - kindof |
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| 19:06.22 | Ghiottone | zdanek, np:) |
| 19:06.33 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, could you give me some more detail? |
| 19:06.53 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, does it mean that different input provider can register themselves and then just be called by X? |
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| 19:08.46 | cb22 | Ghiottone, @projects.openmoko: indeed :) good thing too |
| 19:09.44 | kristian-m | Ghiottone okay, look at http://svn.o-hand.com/view/matchbox/trunk/matchbox-keyboard/gtk-im/ - there they register to an event (GTK_TYPE_IM_CONTEXT_SIMPLE) generated by text-entries |
| 19:10.21 | kristian-m | Ghiottone the keyboard is always running in the background and gtk-im is a lib sending other events to the keyboard if events are recived |
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| 19:11.24 | kristian-m | Ghiottone i tried to find out why password entries are not working: http://bugzilla.o-hand.com/show_bug.cgi?id=588 |
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| 19:12.23 | kristian-m | Ghiottone so I think it'd be easy just to take the existing code and manipulate it to have a different layout and function - you can use the events and functions taht are already there |
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| 19:13.34 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, k I see. I'll have a look at that code. Thanks! |
| 19:13.51 | kristian-m | Ghiottone well have, aehm, fun ;-) |
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| 19:15.34 | Ghiottone | eheheh |
| 19:18.24 | Ghiottone | dinner, bbl |
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| 19:27.34 | matsimoto | mwester: Hardware flow control patch works perfect. |
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| 19:32.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 967 has been created by koen(AT)openembedded.org |
| 19:32.01 | cdbot2 | * * openmoko-today clock doesn't honour timezone DST |
| 19:32.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=967 |
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| 20:14.16 | dread_ | is it possible to redirect the gui running on a neo to my desktop? just to have a possibility to "use" the phone while the display is not working |
| 20:15.00 | ianj | wouldn't something like vnc do that? does that work with neo? |
| 20:15.36 | CM | dread_: exporting x over ssh should work... |
| 20:17.32 | Ghiottone | only for windows |
| 20:19.31 | ianj | i thought there was linux equivalent |
| 20:20.00 | Writchie | dread_: x2x is reported to work fine |
| 20:22.13 | dread_ | oh cool :) where can i find more info on this? i'll try google ;-) |
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| 20:23.05 | Ghiottone | ianj, yeah vnc runs pretty well on linux |
| 20:23.40 | ianj | but x2x sounds like a pretty good solution |
| 20:23.59 | Writchie | vnc works well - but i've had problems with ATI drivers on the linux box |
| 20:24.18 | Ghiottone | yes I'm investigating x2x too. I just wanted to point out that vnc works on linux too |
| 20:24.22 | _buz | Writchie: everyone has ;) |
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| 20:24.37 | zash | x2x as in X11 over ssh or something else+ |
| 20:24.43 | Writchie | anybody try the latest ones just released? |
| 20:25.00 | _buz | no sold the ati laptop ;) |
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| 20:25.33 | ianj | Writchie: when were they released? my work comp is ATI >< |
| 20:25.46 | Writchie | seems to me it was just a couple of days ago |
| 20:25.54 | Ghiottone | it seems that x2x is similar to synergy |
| 20:26.09 | mjr | it is |
| 20:26.37 | mjr | and therefore apparently not what was wanted |
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| 20:27.01 | mjr | I have, however, ran x11vnc on the Neo with success, demoing the UI on a projector via my laptop |
| 20:28.28 | cjb_ie | coo. linux on my phone: http://blog.mikeasoft.com/2007/06/30/im-in-ur-treo-linuxin-ur-phonez/ |
| 20:28.50 | cjb_ie | someone else who has the same model, that is |
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| 20:34.25 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03andrew * r3302 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/neo1973.xml: Fix XML syntax issues, add more AT commands, some standard and some proprietary. |
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| 20:49.13 | ScaredyCat | mehaahhah |
| 20:49.37 | Ghiottone | my gf's cat goes crazy trying to catch the light |
| 20:50.03 | ScaredyCat | hehe |
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| 20:54.12 | nelson | Hmmm.... found a disconnect between agg and sdl. agg looks in ..../bin for a sdl-config, which is in ..../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ |
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| 20:57.48 | Ghiottone | x11vnc is working pretty well! |
| 20:57.54 | Ghiottone | I'll add it to my feed |
| 20:59.59 | dread_ | mjr: are there packages or any detail to run x11vnc on the neo available? :) |
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| 21:02.16 | mjr | dread_, there was a package readily ipkgable |
| 21:02.44 | mjr | there's not that much to detail for basic usage |
| 21:03.13 | dread_ | hm okay, so if i install one of the latest images, i should be able to install it via ipkg ? |
| 21:03.18 | mjr | yeah |
| 21:03.48 | dread_ | sounds good :) *re-flashing neo* - once again ;-) |
| 21:05.53 | mwester | You'll get used to it. I seldom use ipkg upgrade, it's faster and more reliable to just reflash the most recent image. |
| 21:06.38 | mwester | Just make sure to put everything you want to keep on the SD card, including your network config and suchlike. I have a small script that copies them all back after I flash a new rootfs. |
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| 21:07.47 | ianj | dread_ you broke your display? |
| 21:10.55 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03andrew * r3303 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ (276 files in 28 dirs): Pull changes from cvs.savannah.nongnu.org. |
| 21:11.19 | dread_ | ianj: no |
| 21:11.39 | dread_ | ianj: it's just not working : can't calibrate it |
| 21:11.56 | dread_ | posted the whole story today on the device-owners ml |
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| 21:12.19 | ianj | oh ok |
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| 21:15.05 | CVirus | No official release date yet :-( ? |
| 21:15.53 | xzcvczx | Ghiottone: how big is the server component of x11vnc? |
| 21:16.57 | nelson | Hmmm..... How to decide where to report a bug? bugzilla.openmoko.org or bugs.openembedded.org ? |
| 21:17.08 | Ghiottone | xzcvczx, big in which sense? |
| 21:17.25 | xzcvczx | how many k/mb |
| 21:17.38 | Ghiottone | the packages or when running? |
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| 21:18.05 | xzcvczx | the package i guess |
| 21:18.33 | Ghiottone | x11vnc package is 480kb |
| 21:19.03 | xzcvczx | ok |
| 21:19.04 | Ghiottone | plus a 4k library |
| 21:19.07 | Ghiottone | I think |
| 21:19.30 | Ghiottone | if you want to try it and if it is not in standard repos, you can get it from my feed |
| 21:22.40 | Kensan | Ghiottone: do you know if anybody tried NX/FreeNX? |
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| 21:27.01 | Ghiottone | Kensan, I don't know. but a quick look showed that some nx packages are in openembedded but under a nonworking named folder |
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| 21:29.54 | Kensan | Ghiottone, ok thanks. |
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| 21:38.15 | Ghiottone | is freenx just a set of bash scripts?? |
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| 22:03.11 | Kensan | Ghiottone: no, it's *much* more. |
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| 22:04.36 | Kensan | Ghiottone: best would be to skimm through wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NX_technology |
| 22:05.43 | Kensan | Ghiottone: it's a very efficient protocol and it's much better than remote x, vnc or rdp |
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| 22:06.30 | xzcvczx | Kensan: i have used it for a while over wireless win to linux and i would use vnc any day over freeNX |
| 22:07.22 | Ghiottone | xzcvczx, why? |
| 22:07.54 | xzcvczx | Ghiottone: disconnect all the time, very slow, when you went from it to another application then back it would take ages to resync |
| 22:07.54 | Ghiottone | Kensan, I just had a look at it and I saw only bash scripts |
| 22:07.57 | xzcvczx | etc |
| 22:10.32 | Kensan | xzcvczx: ic. What specific versions did you use? |
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| 22:11.11 | Kensan | xzcvczx: did you also try the NXClient and server from NoMachine? |
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| 22:13.13 | xzcvczx | thats what i was using |
| 22:13.18 | thomasg | Ghiottone: yes, freenx is implemented only in bash plus the nx-libs from nomachine |
| 22:13.36 | mstevens | What's "+CME ERROR: 3"? |
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| 22:14.20 | Ghiottone | thomasg, are nx-libs binary? |
| 22:14.21 | xzcvczx | Kensan: server was 0.7.0 client was whatever is latest on nomachien |
| 22:14.36 | thomasg | Ghiottone: they are under GPL |
| 22:14.47 | thomasg | but freenx uses binarys I guess :) |
| 22:14.54 | thomasg | *binaries |
| 22:15.36 | Ghiottone | they need to be recompiled to work on the neo |
| 22:16.38 | thomasg | it's a pitty that freenx is outdated in comparison to the proprietary implementation from nomachine :( |
| 22:17.35 | Kensan | thomasg: I thought there was a freenx release lately that closed the gap a bit. |
| 22:18.47 | thomasg | Kensan: oh, I see, there is a new version which can use the nx3 libs |
| 22:20.18 | Kensan | thomasg: yes. The site says:"FreeNX 0.7.1 Released - Sunday, 14/10/07" |
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| 22:22.53 | xzcvczx | Kensan: you talking to me? |
| 22:24.03 | thomasg | I wonder if there is a free nx-client that could be used on the neo. kNX is fat I guess :) |
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| 22:25.46 | Kensan | xzcvczx: well my last to msgs were addressed to thomasg but since this is a public irc channel with logs and all ;) |
| 22:26.43 | xzcvczx | Kensan: well its just you were asking me about what version i had then said there is a newer version so i assumed..... |
| 22:28.32 | Kensan | xzcvczx: I started the sentence with "thomasg: " ;) but yes, you should try the latest version, maybe you will see an improvement or maybe your issues were not caused by nx... |
| 22:28.46 | thomasg | this was also addressed to me, because I thought 0.6 was still the latest version :) |
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| 22:30.57 | mstevens | nstill no phone calls |
| 22:31.01 | xzcvczx | Kensan: yeah i did see you started it with thomasg but i quite often see people say that then a few lines later changing the name |
| 22:31.12 | xzcvczx | thomasg: ah ok i didnt see you say that |
| 22:33.48 | Kensan | I use nicks to attract specific users attention, since some clients trigger events. |
| 22:34.03 | Kensan | thomasg: nomachine has some experimental clients: http://www.nomachine.com/experimental-products.php |
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| 22:40.23 | Kero | ...these applet+dialer have no clue whatsoever, trying to keep their own state machine on whether they are connected or not. |
| 22:40.52 | dread_ | great! x11vnc is working |
| 22:42.37 | Kero | doesn't bloody ring like that, either. /tmp/gsm.log shows the incoming call, tho. |
| 22:47.01 | shred | hi from germany |
| 22:47.09 | Kero | true. will have to figure out what SIM to get over there. |
| 22:47.11 | shred | i cant boot my openmoko |
| 22:47.35 | shred | it aimply hangs up during booting |
| 22:47.54 | shred | which kernel &bootfs should i use? |
| 22:48.02 | abraxa_ | shred: See bug 788 |
| 22:48.09 | Kero | [spontaneous reboot, how did I do that?] |
| 22:48.56 | thomasg | Kensan: I know the experimental clients, but that's pretty poor :) also all the clients are closed source |
| 22:48.59 | Kero | mm, now that I see it scrolling by again, uSD card is not read. |
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| 22:49.21 | shred | wthx |
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| 22:51.02 | Kensan | thomasg: it's seems that there was some effort put into getting FreeNX working on maemo (see https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=78) |
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| 22:56.35 | mwester | shred: grab the latest from http://moko.mwester.net/ -- that has the patch from bug 788, and several here have had some success with that. |
| 22:57.19 | Kensan | thomasg: it seems that most of the work to get nxclient working on openmoko was done a couple weeks ago: see http://blog.gwright.org.uk/ |
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| 22:59.35 | abraxa_ | mwester: Does your patched kernel include the QVGA patches? |
| 22:59.48 | mwester | No - is that working now? |
| 22:59.54 | abraxa_ | Manually, yes |
| 23:00.15 | abraxa_ | I'd use your kernel but I need QVGA, too :) |
| 23:00.18 | mwester | Cool. Do you have a URL for the patches? |
| 23:00.31 | thomasg | Kensan: looks fine |
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| 23:01.11 | abraxa_ | mwester: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2007-October/author.html - Stefan Schmidt's patches |
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| 23:01.28 | mwester | I'll try to add them. |
| 23:01.32 | Kensan | thomasg: so it could be as simple as writing a bitbake recipe ;) |
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| 23:01.59 | abraxa_ | mwester: Thanks :) |
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| 23:04.51 | Kero | nope, it's not. |
| 23:05.13 | Kero | who are the "Angstrom Developers" ? |
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| 23:07.16 | abraxa_ | Kero: You might wanna ask that in #oe ;) |
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| 23:30.50 | Kero | ha, someone changed an alsafile to /etc/stereoout.state |
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