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| 00:00.40 | debo | if i have to do some oss dev in my free time, i am game but then which device? thats what has been bugging me for this personal project |
| 00:01.14 | cjb_ie | the openmoko certainly has by far the most community behind it, and support from hardware developers |
| 00:01.32 | SpeedEvil | Of public projects. |
| 00:01.39 | SpeedEvil | gphone, ... who knows. |
| 00:01.41 | cjb_ie | some reverse engineering still required due to uncooperative IC suppliers et al |
| 00:01.56 | cjb_ie | yeah. gphone is very much a dark horse. |
| 00:01.57 | debo | yeah i am sure google folks are working hard |
| 00:02.06 | mjr | gphone, probably proprietary since they want to force ads on users |
| 00:02.08 | debo | maybe it will run ubuntu mobile |
| 00:02.13 | debo | who knows :) |
| 00:02.57 | mjr | but mjr sleep now |
| 00:03.45 | debo | bye mjr! |
| 00:04.04 | debo | SpeedEvil: any ideas? |
| 00:04.12 | debo | or anyone? |
| 00:04.50 | debo | I can code in C and possibly in others with the manual beside me :) so if there is a way for me to do some coding and getting my project off the ground, it would be great! |
| 00:05.10 | mjr | certainly |
| 00:06.20 | mjr | The business logic part is pretty much as you'd code any *nix app. The GUI, of course, has to take into account the small screen and high DPI. |
| 00:06.48 | debo | ok .... but I want to just write a background process to read the gps and send a message |
| 00:06.51 | debo | to my home pc |
| 00:06.59 | debo | so i dont need a gui .... not right now |
| 00:07.06 | mjr | (and use the moko libs perhaps for that) |
| 00:07.12 | don-o | debo: im working on the same thing to track my bicycle |
| 00:07.18 | debo | :) |
| 00:07.31 | debo | for me its my wife's car :) |
| 00:07.38 | debo | just kidding |
| 00:08.04 | mjr | you can just pretty much prototype your software using gpsd and standard networking, writing it as you'd any *nix app |
| 00:08.32 | cjb_ie | and then there's qemu, for the patient |
| 00:08.44 | debo | yes .... so all i need is a working setup with gpsd + the gps driver (dont care for oss as long as it works with gpsd) |
| 00:08.52 | debo | right? |
| 00:08.54 | mjr | you might want to add later a feature that pokes the gprs on and perhaps off when necessary, but the gsmd doesn't yet support gprs anyway so you can't do that properly yet |
| 00:09.05 | debo | 'right |
| 00:09.51 | mjr | that should be pretty much it, though as said, I'm not certain what's gonna be the official way to get gps positions on the neo. Might be dbus queries... |
| 00:10.07 | mjr | I haven't followed that too closely, may be they've decided on something |
| 00:10.14 | mjr | anyone? |
| 00:10.30 | debo | thanks a lot mjr |
| 00:10.40 | debo | lets see what others say |
| 00:12.37 | mjr | anyway, that's one of the nice things about the neo; it's a small gnu/linux box, you don't have to jump through hoops to get your usual *nix software on it. |
| 00:13.02 | debo | thats exactly why i am so excited about the neo and bugging everyone around here :) |
| 00:13.53 | mjr | anyway, where was I, oh yeah, going to sleep |
| 00:13.57 | debo | :) |
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| 00:16.26 | debo | anyone who can shed some light on my doubt? |
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| 00:18.36 | cjb_ie | i would've guessed gpsd as there's lots of software out there already that talks to it |
| 00:19.55 | debo | cjb_ie: true but we cant talk to teh gps chip on neo .... so thats an issue |
| 00:20.45 | SpeedEvil | mjr: gpsd reportedly. |
| 00:21.02 | cjb_ie | debo: right, but it's a more open chipset on the next hardware rev |
| 00:21.02 | SpeedEvil | mjr: though that's been in for some time. |
| 00:21.12 | SpeedEvil | cjb_ie: no, it's not. |
| 00:21.20 | SpeedEvil | cjb_ie: it's just more cooked output. |
| 00:21.23 | debo | ok |
| 00:21.40 | cjb_ie | SpeedEvil: well, in the sense that it's not binary driver encumbered, i thought? |
| 00:21.49 | SpeedEvil | cjb_ie: true in that sense. |
| 00:24.00 | debo | cant we get the boniary driver like we get from nvidia |
| 00:24.13 | nbd | who wants binary drivers? |
| 00:24.19 | nbd | binary drivers suck |
| 00:24.45 | SpeedEvil | debo: yes - for the current device 'real soon now' |
| 00:25.02 | SpeedEvil | debo: the code is written, it's awaiting a lawyer with a really slow rubberstamp. |
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| 00:26.57 | debo | :) |
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| 00:29.10 | debo | is openmoko compatible with imcosys |
| 00:29.12 | debo | a swiss phone |
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| 00:30.52 | debo | seems it runs linux : |
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| 00:31.04 | SpeedEvil | Well... |
| 00:31.11 | SpeedEvil | There is runs linux, and runs linux. |
| 00:31.11 | cjb_ie | but vapourware? |
| 00:31.24 | cjb_ie | or am i thinking of the road s101 |
| 00:31.30 | SpeedEvil | It can for example be completely locked down so you can't install stuff on it, but still run linux. |
| 00:31.43 | debo | agreed |
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| 01:08.26 | kousu | Hi all. I'm looking for the MMC kernel module but I can't find it. |
| 01:08.59 | kousu | I'm not able to mount /mnt/card because /dev/mmcblk0p1 doesn't exist, and I presume this is because the .ko isn't loaded? |
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| 01:17.30 | lSpeedEvi | kousu: it should autoload. |
| 01:17.42 | lSpeedEvi | kousu: you are sure that the microSD is in fact correctly in place? |
| 01:18.11 | kousu | ..no. Let me check. |
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| 01:21.32 | lSpeedEvi | the socket isx stupidly fiddly |
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| 02:35.21 | ljp | hi mickey-tw |
| 02:35.28 | mickey-tw | morning ljp |
| 02:41.12 | ljp | hows asia? |
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| 02:57.14 | pvanhoof | You are already awake mickey-tw ? Damn, I'm still up. Coding |
| 02:57.30 | pvanhoof | Oh but asia is a different timezone |
| 02:58.06 | pvanhoof | Right, it's only 5'O. Few, I was almost worried I stayed up all night |
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| 03:05.38 | debo | has anyone used qtopia on neo |
| 03:05.44 | debo | from trolltech |
| 03:05.51 | debo | i saw some preview releases |
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| 03:11.04 | ljp | yes. |
| 03:11.21 | debo | did you try it, ljp? |
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| 03:13.35 | ljp | i am developing it :), so yes, I try it several time a day |
| 03:13.44 | debo | :) coool |
| 03:14.36 | debo | i am interested in writing a simple app that takes queries the gps device and sneds a message to my home computer with timestamp and location using GPRS (since GTA01 doesnt have a 802.11) |
| 03:15.07 | debo | can i do it with qtopia now |
| 03:15.14 | debo | or in the near future |
| 03:15.24 | cjb_ie | at a guess - probably |
| 03:15.35 | debo | also can i run qtopia on any other device for doing what i want to do |
| 03:15.39 | ljp | sure, why not. as long as you have the gps driver |
| 03:15.53 | ljp | depends on which other devices |
| 03:15.56 | debo | hmmm i probably dont have anything if the community doesnt have |
| 03:16.08 | debo | i am looking for some device where i can do this easily |
| 03:16.32 | ljp | the nokia n810 has gps but it does not do gsm |
| 03:16.37 | debo | since you know more than i do, could i ask you for some recommendations |
| 03:16.44 | debo | yeah nokia is one of my choices |
| 03:18.02 | debo | but the lack of gsm is a bummer |
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| 03:20.25 | debo | ljp? |
| 03:21.40 | ljp | hi |
| 03:22.45 | debo | any recommendations? |
| 03:23.07 | debo | other than neo (since i dont know whether we have a driver for the gps chip) |
| 03:25.14 | ljp | just the n810 |
| 03:25.45 | ljp | i think some of the HTC devices that can run linux might have gps, but I am not sure of the status of those |
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| 03:29.49 | debo | thanks .... but I guess GTA02 should be ok, right? are you working on those devices too? |
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| 04:50.29 | pvanhoof | bleh, can't sleep |
| 04:50.46 | CM | Me either, have to go to work.. :P |
| 04:51.07 | pvanhoof | cm, oeps :) |
| 04:54.08 | CM | pvanhoof: I'll take a peek at the milky way while going to work, just for you.. :P |
| 04:54.17 | pvanhoof | ! :) |
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| 05:30.00 | gcb77 | Is anyone else able to hang up calls with the latest software? |
| 05:30.43 | CM | I haven't tried with the absolutely latest, but with a rootfs from the 17th october hanging up works |
| 05:31.00 | gcb77 | The button seems to be gone, I can't find it anywhere |
| 05:31.39 | CM | Oh, strange :) |
| 05:32.14 | gcb77 | Same with the answer call button |
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| 05:54.08 | CM | God morgon :) |
| 05:54.48 | Hopscotc1 | good morning |
| 05:56.21 | CM | Hopscotch: I'm just curious, you've been hanging around here a long time but not saying much besides good morning. Do you have a Neo? :) |
| 05:56.38 | Hopscotch | yeah, right beside of me :) |
| 05:56.54 | Hopscotch | but very little time to do anything with it |
| 05:57.02 | CM | Ah, ok. |
| 05:57.09 | Hopscotch | work kills me... |
| 05:57.23 | CM | Sucks |
| 05:57.43 | CM | I'm about to change work, so my motivation here is kind of low.. |
| 05:57.58 | Hopscotch | well, it's my own business... |
| 05:58.05 | Hopscotch | changing is out of the question |
| 05:58.20 | CM | Heh, then I know why you're so busy |
| 05:58.50 | CM | Don't think I've ever heard anyone having their own business that only work 40h/week ;) |
| 05:59.13 | Hopscotch | doesn't seem to be possible... |
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| 07:15.32 | CM | pvanhoof: Ohh.. Finally: http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?ctx=gmail&hl=en&answer=75725 |
| 07:16.48 | Vegar | that is nifty |
| 07:17.08 | Vegar | however, I had to set my gmail language to US-english to get the IMAP option |
| 07:21.59 | CM | I guess that's the way they always do. Start in english, localize later |
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| 07:28.15 | pvanhoof | CM, |
| 07:28.16 | pvanhoof | wow |
| 07:28.40 | CM | pvanhoof: Btw, watched your qresync video, hope they support that |
| 07:28.57 | pvanhoof | yeah! |
| 07:29.00 | pvanhoof | wow wow ow |
| 07:29.02 | pvanhoof | this is great news |
| 07:29.03 | CM | Then i'll have my gprs tinymail neo synced with gmail ;) |
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| 07:29.21 | Vegar | CM: UK english didn't have it either |
| 07:30.13 | pvanhoof | wow dude |
| 07:30.18 | pvanhoof | that's totally awesome |
| 07:31.02 | CM | pvanhoof: You should get tinymail listed on the "Supported IMAP Client List" ;) |
| 07:31.36 | pvanhoof | uhu |
| 07:31.44 | pvanhoof | Well tinymail is a framework to build one |
| 07:31.45 | pvanhoof | not a client |
| 07:31.52 | CM | True |
| 07:32.19 | CM | Modest then, and similar.. :) |
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| 07:34.26 | CM | meshuga: s/uga/uggah/ ! ;) |
| 07:34.50 | pvanhoof | Let's check whether they supprt qresync |
| 07:36.19 | pvanhoof | CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UNSELECT IDLE NAMESPACE QUOTA XYZZY |
| 07:36.34 | CM | hmm.. |
| 07:38.36 | pvanhoof | lemme check because after auth they can add more capabilities |
| 07:39.21 | CM | To not confuse and scare off Outlook Express or what? |
| 07:39.51 | pvanhoof | No capabilities must be forgotten after each authentication level |
| 07:39.56 | pvanhoof | that's just the IMAP rfc :) |
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| 07:40.30 | CM | Heh, ok |
| 07:42.05 | pvanhoof | CM, perhaps the admin of a server doesn't want to make it public that their IMAP server can do certain things |
| 07:42.24 | torpor | hi all |
| 07:42.46 | pvanhoof | But capability must always be available , because you need it to read for example the authenticiation method |
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| 07:51.18 | torpor | damnit why is webkit failing again.. |
| 07:51.31 | torpor | 404: NOTE: fetch http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/JavaScriptCore_svn.webkit.org_.repository.webkit.trunk._26915_.tar.gz |
| 07:51.37 | torpor | anyone else got this? |
| 07:52.38 | CM | I had binutils failing for me, so i didn't even get to webkit |
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| 07:55.58 | ScaredyCat | from when ? |
| 07:57.04 | ScaredyCat | I have it... |
| 07:57.10 | ScaredyCat | want me to up it somewher? |
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| 07:59.24 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/JavaScriptCore_svn.webkit.org_.repository.webkit.trunk._26915_.tar.gz |
| 08:00.25 | ScaredyCat | or even |
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| 08:02.30 | torpor | yeah |
| 08:02.34 | torpor | where do i put it? |
| 08:02.58 | torpor | in sources/ right? |
| 08:03.35 | torpor | thx ScaredyCat |
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| 08:05.58 | torpor | i put it in sources/ and fire up the build and its rolling along again .. |
| 08:06.01 | torpor | so lets see what happens .. |
| 08:06.07 | torpor | got past webkit |
| 08:07.02 | CM | ScaredyCat: Any tip where I should start looking for a way around this: http://rafb.net/p/Bg80qj65.html |
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| 08:07.23 | CM | XorA: Good morning, maybe you can give me a clue too? ^^ |
| 08:07.38 | CM | :P |
| 08:08.04 | ScaredyCat | | /home/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/libiberty.a: could not read symbols: File format not recognized |
| 08:08.27 | XorA | CM: that doesnt look good |
| 08:08.28 | CM | Yes, but how do I rebuild that lib, and alsow, why is it failing now?!? |
| 08:08.39 | XorA | CM: I think that lib is part of binutils |
| 08:08.41 | CM | I mean, can I find what package it's in? |
| 08:08.44 | CM | Hmm.. |
| 08:08.55 | ScaredyCat | did you try cleaning it |
| 08:08.58 | CM | This happened some time yesterday |
| 08:09.01 | XorA | CM: try rm that lib :-) |
| 08:09.12 | XorA | CM: or move it safely out of the way |
| 08:09.39 | CM | Ok, moved it and doing a bitbake -x rebuild binutils now |
| 08:09.45 | xzcvczx | or run runlib on it from the runlib in /home/moko/.......... |
| 08:10.07 | ScaredyCat | yes, mv /home/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/libiberty.a ~/damages_libiberty.a |
| 08:10.29 | ScaredyCat | damages.. wtf... |
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| 08:11.34 | CM | xzcvczx: Hmm.. I can't find anything called runlib |
| 08:11.38 | cjb_ie | ScaredyCat: um... |
| 08:11.45 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 08:12.03 | CM | cjb_ie: I hope he meant it litteraly.. :P |
| 08:14.58 | CM | XorA: Thanks, that worked! Strange.. Wonder where that libiberty came from, and why it tried to use it |
| 08:15.28 | XorA | CM: yeah, in theory it should have been from binutils -r0 release |
| 08:15.58 | CM | Maybe I just had bad timing with my sync or something |
| 08:16.06 | XorA | CM: I thing you probably should log a bug in OE bugs with that trace |
| 08:16.23 | XorA | CM: just in case it turns epidemic |
| 08:16.30 | CM | I'll do that |
| 08:16.45 | XorA | thanks, at least that way there is a workaround in bugtracker |
| 08:16.52 | CM | *nod* |
| 08:20.08 | CM | It's in 3205 |
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| 08:26.25 | stefan_schmidt | abraxa_: I'm off for a meeting right now, but have you perhaps forgotten to checkin background.png? |
| 08:27.00 | stefan_schmidt | abraxa_: I get a build failure in the mediaplayer2 because of this missing file. JFYI |
| 08:30.05 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: can you just have a look why all the myscreenshot_???.jpg give back forbidden errors |
| 08:30.32 | xzcvczx | .png rather |
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| 08:44.39 | ScaredyCat | xzcvczx: should be ok now |
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| 08:45.22 | xzcvczx | thanks |
| 08:45.57 | ScaredyCat | i need to do some more with the new openmoko stuff :) |
| 08:46.53 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: yeah seeems to all be distinctly nonopenmoko photos |
| 08:46.59 | xzcvczx | aka qtopia photos |
| 08:47.12 | ScaredyCat | yes.. sorry... will correct that soon.. :D |
| 08:47.27 | xzcvczx | its completely unacceptable |
| 08:47.33 | ScaredyCat | I know... |
| 08:47.36 | xzcvczx | :P |
| 08:47.43 | ScaredyCat | *bang* |
| 08:47.56 | CM | hehe |
| 08:48.04 | ScaredyCat | there.. now that I've shot CM ... |
| 08:48.18 | xzcvczx | sweet |
| 08:48.22 | xzcvczx | all fixed |
| 08:49.57 | Stephmw | howdy |
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| 08:51.28 | torpor | where are the shots? |
| 08:52.08 | xzcvczx | http://buildhost.automated.it/screenshots |
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| 08:53.19 | torpor | thx |
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| 08:53.51 | torpor | ah all qtopia |
| 08:55.46 | xzcvczx | yeah hence why we are abusing him |
| 08:56.12 | zash | is there a simple way to run om+qtopia in qemu? |
| 08:56.34 | CM | Don't think so, unless you get one of them to boot from the sd |
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| 09:02.16 | Xx13 | is there an easy way to get charsets other then latin? |
| 09:03.22 | CM | UTF8 for everyone! :) |
| 09:03.30 | torpor | hey i want that settings app, whats it called and why isn't it included by default? |
| 09:03.40 | Xx13 | the web browser is showing boxes for everything non latin |
| 09:03.56 | CM | torpor: Because it requires python I think |
| 09:04.00 | torpor | btw, scummvm rocks when you use it with a bluetooth keyboard. |
| 09:04.04 | torpor | CM: i've got python. |
| 09:04.14 | CM | I mean that's why it's not in the default image |
| 09:04.18 | torpor | oh |
| 09:04.20 | CM | Python isn't either is it? |
| 09:04.26 | torpor | python isn't onboard by default eh? pity. |
| 09:04.33 | CM | *nod* |
| 09:04.47 | mypapit | eh? no python? |
| 09:04.51 | ScaredyCat | torpor: it's in my repo |
| 09:04.59 | ScaredyCat | ipkg install it |
| 09:05.03 | Xx13 | CM: nothing wrong with utf-8, as long as there are the needed characters in the font |
| 09:05.07 | torpor | is it called SettingsGUII? |
| 09:05.14 | CM | mypapit: There is python for openmoko, but it's not installed by default |
| 09:05.25 | mypapit | ic2 |
| 09:05.41 | ScaredyCat | settingsgui |
| 09:05.45 | torpor | ok thx |
| 09:05.48 | torpor | i'll check it out later |
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| 09:07.12 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: not too nice haveing the images with bits they didnt load properly like pictures on the buttons |
| 09:08.07 | ScaredyCat | pah! |
| 09:08.40 | xzcvczx | aint i annoying :P |
| 09:08.48 | ScaredyCat | :x |
| 09:11.25 | xzcvczx | how much space you reckon gcc/gtk and glib dev stuff would take up on the moko |
| 09:11.55 | xzcvczx | would make it so much easier for small programs just being able to program them on the moko then start them up straight away into the environment they will be run in |
| 09:22.18 | awesomo4000 | 20Gigs ! |
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| 09:23.15 | xzcvczx | http://buildhost.automated.it/screenshots/neo1973_OM_003.png isnt |
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| 09:24.17 | zash | who runs buildhost.automated.it? |
| 09:24.28 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat i think\ |
| 09:24.52 | ScaredyCat | zash: me |
| 09:25.01 | CM | Or at least slapped the real owner into submission.. ;) |
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| 09:28.13 | zash | ScaredyCat: how about a proper index-file for /screenshots/ with thumbnails? |
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| 09:29.44 | ScaredyCat | ok, ok... |
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| 09:33.01 | ScaredyCat | where is it then :) |
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| 09:41.15 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03abraxa * r3261 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/ (images/Makefile.am openmoko-mediaplayer.schemas): |
| 09:41.15 | CIA-13 | openmoko: It's a good idea to remove files from the makefile if you delete them from SVN :) |
| 09:41.15 | CIA-13 | openmoko: Added GConf schema |
| 09:41.32 | abraxa_ | stefan_schmidt: Thanks for the hint :) |
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| 09:41.39 | zdanek | greetings all |
| 09:41.58 | abraxa_ | Heya zdanek |
| 09:42.26 | zdanek | guys, I did flash with 19-oct image and my neo cannot register to network even if it asks me for pin |
| 09:42.37 | zdanek | I put gsmd restart in matchbox/session |
| 09:42.40 | zdanek | any ideas? |
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| 09:50.48 | SpeedEvil | Has it worked for you before zd? |
| 09:51.19 | SpeedEvil | (the SIM) |
| 09:53.39 | zdanek | yes it worked when I had older build |
| 09:53.44 | zdanek | perfecly |
| 09:54.05 | zdanek | then something broke so I did re-flash to latest build |
| 09:54.25 | zdanek | I think there's a problem with power managment too |
| 09:54.39 | zdanek | I use windows and I'm having problems with usb connection |
| 09:54.50 | zdanek | I can hear that it disconnects |
| 09:54.56 | SpeedEvil | zdanek: the fundamental problem with PM is that nobodies implemented it yet. |
| 09:55.08 | SpeedEvil | hear that it disconnects? |
| 09:55.27 | zdanek | in windows there is a ping sound when usb connection is made |
| 09:55.31 | zdanek | and disconnection |
| 09:55.44 | zdanek | I mean usb-plug-in |
| 09:55.49 | zdanek | and plug-out |
| 09:55.55 | zdanek | not tcp/ip connection |
| 09:56.07 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 09:56.28 | SpeedEvil | is it plugged into a powered hub, or directly into a motherboard port? |
| 09:57.09 | CIA-13 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3262 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-appearance/ (ChangeLog src/appearance-background.c): |
| 09:57.09 | CIA-13 | openmoko: * src/appearance-background.c: Fix indentation to match existing project |
| 09:57.09 | CIA-13 | openmoko: style |
| 09:57.27 | zdanek | directly |
| 09:57.49 | zdanek | I'm talking about two separate issues |
| 09:57.56 | zdanek | most important for me is calling |
| 09:58.07 | zdanek | because I don't have other phone |
| 09:58.09 | zdanek | than neo |
| 09:58.33 | zdanek | all the time ? sign at antenna icon |
| 10:00.25 | hrw | zdanek: no other phone? |
| 10:00.30 | SpeedEvil | Well - I'd revert back to the image that was working for you. |
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| 10:00.45 | SpeedEvil | And I'd strongly suggest you get a nokia 1100 or similar entry level phone. |
| 10:00.59 | zdanek | problem is that I had very old image, I don't remember which one |
| 10:01.13 | zdanek | ScaredyCat's worked for me |
| 10:01.17 | zdanek | a week ago |
| 10:01.21 | SpeedEvil | The neo is at the moment - if you are not sticking to one 'known good' image, then you can't count on it continuing to work as a phone. |
| 10:01.23 | zdanek | but it's too huge |
| 10:01.29 | zdanek | I need smaller fs |
| 10:01.37 | SpeedEvil | Why/?> |
| 10:01.49 | SpeedEvil | What's wrong with using the SD card? |
| 10:02.10 | zash | Nokia 3310 FTW! |
| 10:02.21 | SpeedEvil | Mine is a bit broken. |
| 10:02.41 | SpeedEvil | Well - really it's the batteries. |
| 10:02.42 | zdanek | SC's image puts about 2MB of free space on fs |
| 10:02.57 | SpeedEvil | zdanek: so what? use the SD |
| 10:03.13 | ScaredyCat | ok, screenshots with thumbs sorted... |
| 10:03.13 | zdanek | sure, I didn't switched ipkg to SD but still some space is needed on root fs |
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| 10:04.20 | XorA | ~fish lrg |
| 10:04.21 | apt | ACTION slaps lrg around with a large trout |
| 10:04.23 | SpeedEvil | Move stuff over to /media/card |
| 10:04.30 | SpeedEvil | (formatted as ext2) |
| 10:05.15 | SpeedEvil | As a trivial example, you might look for large files and nuke them. For example, on my image, gdb uses 2.5M |
| 10:06.15 | lrg | hey XorA |
| 10:07.31 | SpeedEvil | cat /etc/issue |
| 10:07.32 | SpeedEvil | OpenMoko .dev-snapshot-20070604 |
| 10:07.32 | zdanek | I thougth about moving all /usr to media card but I didn't try it |
| 10:08.05 | zdanek | OpenMoko P1-September-Snapshot-20071011 |
| 10:08.53 | zdanek | SpeedEvil: why is yours image so old? are you using only upgrades? |
| 10:09.07 | SpeedEvil | zdanek: I've been mostly using stuff that works on it. |
| 10:09.20 | SpeedEvil | zdanek: not actually testing the OM* apps |
| 10:09.55 | hrw | OpenMoko P1-September-Snapshot-20071011 |
| 10:10.21 | hrw | first install was at begin of sept |
| 10:11.17 | zdanek | I play with latest build but as I see it's a play with a fire |
| 10:11.22 | zdanek | and bugs... :) |
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| 10:14.46 | zdanek | okay, I'll try to flash to older version |
| 10:16.34 | Ghiottone|work | hello |
| 10:19.46 | Ghiottone|work | regarding past discussions about repository type of OE, I have found this package that could be of interest: http://packages.debian.org/sid/main/mr |
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| 10:40.39 | CM | zdanek: I'm running a build from the 17th Oct and it works pretty well |
| 10:40.43 | abraxa_ | XorA: You around? |
| 10:40.47 | XorA | abraxa_: nope |
| 10:40.51 | ScaredyCat | has built images and packages and uploaded them all... |
| 10:41.01 | CM | zdanek: Have for at least 3 others too.. :) |
| 10:41.07 | abraxa_ | Ah boo, and I was so set on harassing you, too! |
| 10:41.19 | XorA | abraxa_: heh heh |
| 10:41.22 | XorA | abraxa_: whats up? |
| 10:42.04 | abraxa_ | I'd like to get the mediaplayer recipe patched, do you have time for it or are you preoccupied? |
| 10:42.57 | XorA | abraxa_: I can look at it |
| 10:43.16 | abraxa_ | Awesome, should I file a bugreport or just hand you an URL? |
| 10:43.34 | XorA | abraxa_: hand me a URL forr nwo |
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| 10:45.37 | abraxa_ | http://abraxa.dyndns.org:81/random/mediaplayer_gconf.patch would be it |
| 10:46.16 | zdanek | CM: I'm using from 19th |
| 10:46.20 | zdanek | thx for info |
| 10:46.34 | zdanek | I don't want to move back more than it is necessary |
| 10:46.37 | CM | zdanek: http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/2007.2/ |
| 10:47.07 | CM | That's default om images from the 17th, hopefully they work for you too :) |
| 10:47.47 | zdanek | CM: thx!!! |
| 10:48.03 | XorA | abraxa_: Ill get that applied as soon as this build finished and I can test it |
| 10:49.08 | abraxa_ | XorA: Thanks, I'm not 100% sure I got it all right since I couldn't figure out the difference between _install and _install_append for OE, so I hope I did :) |
| 10:49.29 | XorA | abraxa_: dont worry Ill double check |
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| 10:50.04 | zdanek | CM: should I flash uBoot too? |
| 10:50.14 | CM | zdanek: No |
| 10:50.36 | CM | zdanek: Don't do that unless you have a really broken bad u-boot |
| 10:50.53 | XorA | should trigger a bot on the words flash and uboot :-D |
| 10:51.11 | CM | zdanek: Just put it there since that's what I'm running right now, and that version doesn't seem to have any serious bugs. :) |
| 10:51.14 | zdanek | I don't |
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| 10:51.36 | CM | XorA: Hehe.. A default "No!!!! Don't touch u-boot!" ;( |
| 10:51.39 | zdanek | I asked it because there maybe were some improvments |
| 10:51.57 | CM | zdanek: Well, it has been some improvements lately, and I need to try them |
| 10:52.12 | XorA | zdanek: trouble is if you stuff up uboot flash you need a debug board |
| 10:52.14 | CM | zdanek: But I don't have a debugboard and I don't ant to brick it |
| 10:52.52 | zdanek | I have DB |
| 10:53.01 | abraxa_ | CM: You got your u-boot mess straightened out? |
| 10:53.07 | CM | abraxa_: No |
| 10:53.11 | abraxa_ | Bummer |
| 10:53.14 | CM | Still broken partition table.. |
| 10:53.37 | CM | abraxa_: I need to try with a really new uboot where the usb console is default when you start with aux in |
| 10:53.53 | CM | So that I can do that partition thing |
| 10:54.25 | abraxa_ | Personally I find it really hard to believe that you're the only Swede buying a Neo :) |
| 10:54.37 | abraxa_ | I'm sure there has to be someone with a debug board nearby |
| 10:55.13 | CM | abraxa_: Well, there are at least 2 more with neos, but no one has the debugboard. |
| 10:55.26 | CM | Really regret not getting one |
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| 10:55.46 | Batalyx | There's at least one here in Finland :) |
| 10:55.50 | CM | Didn't anticipate that I'd break my partitions.. |
| 10:56.00 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: i think the uboot on automated is not good |
| 10:56.07 | XorA | CM: get a really long set of cables and Ill let you plug into my debug board |
| 10:56.09 | CM | Batalyx: Yes, mjr said he'd help me if I needed to reflash it |
| 10:56.15 | CM | XorA: Hehe |
| 10:56.22 | xzcvczx | it doesnt brick luckily but if you try cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 to it it doesnt seem to work properly |
| 10:56.40 | Batalyx | CM: ok, Helsinki is possibly closer to you than Jyväskylä |
| 10:57.03 | CM | I think it's still possible to fix without a debugboard if I can get into the uboot console, but the problems has been to get to that when I don't have a uboot_env |
| 10:57.04 | ScaredyCat | xzcvczx: ? |
| 10:57.07 | ScaredyCat | which one |
| 10:57.21 | xzcvczx | the one in /2007.2 |
| 10:57.33 | CM | Batalyx: I've been in Jyväskylä, but only to change trains.. ;) |
| 10:57.34 | ScaredyCat | xzcvczx: do lsmod, do you have cdc_acm ? |
| 10:57.46 | CM | XorA: Tried that, bad mistake |
| 10:57.57 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: on host? |
| 10:58.03 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 10:58.22 | XorA | CM: is dfu still working for you? |
| 10:58.35 | xzcvczx | not as a module its compiled into kernel but all the other uboot versions i have tried work fine |
| 10:58.44 | abraxa_ | XorA: The partition table also contains information about the bad block table so it's unique to every Neo |
| 10:58.45 | CM | XorA: The partition table offset is in the uboot_env, and it's unique for every neo because of the bb table |
| 10:58.51 | abraxa_ | lol CM |
| 10:58.54 | CM | XorA: Yes, it works |
| 10:59.06 | CM | abraxa_: :P |
| 10:59.18 | ScaredyCat | which one did you use xzcvczx |
| 10:59.19 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 10:59.43 | xzcvczx | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+git3e66c078003607a7d1d214c15a5f262bc1b4032f+svn20070829-r2.bin |
| 10:59.49 | CM | abraxa_: Who was it that said "Great minds think alike"?... ;) |
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| 11:00.23 | abraxa_ | CM: HEY! Stop it! I was thinking that same thing, too! Then I figured "nah, that's cheesy to say" and decided against it |
| 11:01.05 | abraxa_ | But yeah, we already established that with our common liking for Filipino girls ;D |
| 11:02.05 | CM | Hehe |
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| 11:02.53 | CM | abraxa_: An indonesian girl I know once said "Once you go asian, you never want caucasian." Hmm... *whistle* |
| 11:08.12 | hrw | CM: ? |
| 11:08.15 | Stephmw | abraxa_: isn't it a bit risky these days in the Philipines? |
| 11:08.40 | ScaredyCat | u-boot seems broken atm xzcvczx - I can't rebuild it for you right now :( |
| 11:09.18 | ScaredyCat | s/girls/lady boys/ |
| 11:10.31 | Stephmw | ScaredyCat: and asian ladies all look remarkably young ;) |
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| 11:14.23 | xzcvczx | wow the new startup sound is much better than the old one which is loud and goes forever |
| 11:15.00 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: dont worry i found one from september in tmp/............. |
| 11:15.13 | xzcvczx | which actually works |
| 11:16.47 | xzcvczx | what size do people think i will need for gui development linux partition |
| 11:17.45 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 11:18.58 | abraxa_ | Stephmw: My girl has Filipino heritage but grew up in Japan, spent 17 years there and moved to America afterwards - her heritage is only expressed in the looks, she doesn't even speak Tagalog ;) |
| 11:19.21 | Stephmw | abraxa_: and at 35 she'll still look 22 :) |
| 11:19.38 | abraxa_ | Stephmw: You bet - her mom is 48 and looks 35, lol |
| 11:20.19 | Stephmw | abraxa_: so when are you getting married so we can legitimately ask to see the lady? ;) |
| 11:20.26 | ewon | heh |
| 11:20.44 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: it doesnt need all that crap and my hdd is only 30gig and i need win on it as well |
| 11:21.43 | Stephmw | ok, so it's raided and the usable space is less :) |
| 11:22.40 | xzcvczx | hmmmm this is stupid..... told phone to hangup yet my landline is still ringing |
| 11:22.42 | xzcvczx | ah finally |
| 11:22.47 | xzcvczx | 30secs later |
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| 11:24.27 | abraxa_ | Stephmw: http://abraxa.dyndns.org:81/random/DSCN3094.jpeg ;) |
| 11:25.07 | Stephmw | abraxa_: cute! |
| 11:25.29 | mjr | pretty indeed, at least |
| 11:25.46 | CM | Age guesses? :) |
| 11:25.51 | ScaredyCat | 12 |
| 11:25.56 | CM | ScaredyCat: :P |
| 11:26.01 | abraxa_ | Very, and not the only adjective I'd use to describe her - Latino girls? Who needs 'em ;p |
| 11:26.31 | abraxa_ | lol ScaredyCat... last year she was indeed mistaken for <14 at a restaurant and offered a kid's plate |
| 11:26.39 | Stephmw | oh dear |
| 11:26.48 | abraxa_ | Yeah, she was pissed, lol |
| 11:26.56 | ScaredyCat | yeah, but not very funny if people think you're a paedo |
| 11:27.09 | Stephmw | I have a friend who has the same problem - but it's mostly height, she's <5 foot tall |
| 11:27.40 | Elrond | Hi abraxa_! :-) |
| 11:27.46 | abraxa_ | Hiho Elrond :D |
| 11:28.05 | CM | My boss where I worked before had to show his ID in a resturant to buy beer to the dinner. He was 29 back then, the age limit is 18.. :D |
| 11:28.24 | ScaredyCat | yeah, I still get that :P |
| 11:28.28 | CM | Short people seem to have that against them.. |
| 11:28.33 | abraxa_ | lmao... glad I don't have that prob |
| 11:31.06 | Stephmw | ScaredyCat: talking of paedos.... http://youtube.com/watch?v=2R7QX0zIjgY |
| 11:31.07 | faern | then we also have the opposite. I have some friends that could go to a bar when they were 16 without having to show ID (age limit 18) |
| 11:31.08 | Stephmw | ScaredyCat: NSFW |
| 11:31.16 | Stephmw | ScaredyCat: earphones recommended |
| 11:33.44 | CM | Stephmw: My gf saw an old granma out at the disco last weekend. Whe was maybe 60-65, and making out on the dancefloor with some guy that's maybe 35. Better than a paedo, but still weird to me.. |
| 11:33.53 | ewon | nice. |
| 11:33.58 | CM | s/Whe/She/ |
| 11:34.44 | SpeedEvil | There was a recent case in the UK about someone who slept with a 10 year old (who told him she was 17). Even the judge commented that it was an understandable mistake. (very advanced for her age apparantly) |
| 11:34.51 | Stephmw | CM: it's not _visually_ unsafe... it's a guy singing and playing on a keyboard |
| 11:35.06 | Stephmw | CM: the audio is funny, tasteless and not politically correct |
| 11:35.13 | CM | SpeedEvil: Have you heard that Akon song that's onl the radio all the time? |
| 11:35.23 | SpeedEvil | CM: vaguely, yes. |
| 11:35.48 | Stephmw | CM: went to see this double-act live... that very performance I believe |
| 11:36.00 | CM | He went to jail for having sex with a girl that was 16, but he met her at a club that had a 21 year old age limit, and she said she was 21 to him |
| 11:36.07 | CM | Tough luck though.. |
| 11:36.38 | SpeedEvil | I do hope she was prosecuted if she was drinking. |
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| 11:37.02 | CM | I don't think she got anything except for a lot of dollars.. |
| 11:37.09 | vciaglia | i'd like to suggest these errors in my latest upgrade |
| 11:37.09 | vciaglia | Collected errors: |
| 11:37.10 | vciaglia | Package libjana-ecal0 wants to install file /usr/lib/libjana-ecal.so.0.0.0 |
| 11:37.10 | vciaglia | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.10 | vciaglia | Package libjana-ecal0 wants to install file /usr/lib/libjana-ecal.so.0 |
| 11:37.10 | vciaglia | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.56 | CM | vciaglia: I herd some discussion about that in #oe yesterday, have you synch:ed lately, it might be fixed. |
| 11:38.23 | hrw | vciaglia: ipkg remove openmoko-dates2 -force-depends;ipkg install openmoko-dates2 |
| 11:38.39 | vciaglia | hrw: thanks, i'll try |
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| 11:41.17 | zdanek | talking about pedophils we have very latest case in Poland that a 40year old guy kiddnapped 12yr old girl met on the internet |
| 11:41.54 | zdanek | old guy with you woman is not a pedophilia |
| 11:42.24 | CM | Not if she's older than 18 I guess |
| 11:42.35 | zdanek | even 16 |
| 11:42.44 | zdanek | or 15 |
| 11:42.46 | vciaglia | hrw: umh...take a look |
| 11:42.46 | vciaglia | Failed to write hash table |
| 11:42.46 | vciaglia | postinst script returned status 1 |
| 11:42.46 | vciaglia | ERROR: openmoko-icon-theme-standard2.postinst returned 1 |
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| 11:43.31 | CM | vciaglia: Filled the flash? |
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| 11:44.32 | hrw | it is very easy to do now - openmoko-devel-image is fat |
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| 11:45.24 | vciaglia | hrw: i have to re-flash the neo? |
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| 11:49.01 | hrw | no idea |
| 11:50.20 | xzcvczx | how do i delete this route '192.168.0.0 * 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 usb0' from route? |
| 11:50.46 | _diego__ | route del 192.168.0.0 ? |
| 11:51.21 | xzcvczx | that will destroy the other one i have which is 255.255.255.0 |
| 11:52.30 | _diego__ | route del -net 192.168.0.0/16 or 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 |
| 11:52.44 | xzcvczx | yup thanks just got it at the same time |
| 11:52.53 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: what are the urls for your repository? |
| 11:56.15 | CM | xzcvczx: Follow http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories :) |
| 11:56.33 | xzcvczx | ah i was at /ipkg |
| 11:56.44 | CM | Check the grey box in the middle of that page |
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| 12:00.05 | xzcvczx | yeah thanks i got it now |
| 12:04.16 | jan_js | good afternoon all ! |
| 12:05.25 | jan_js | My company wants to place an order for a neo phone. Does anybody know when the g2 version will be available from the shop ? |
| 12:05.51 | XorA | jan_js: read topic :-) |
| 12:06.26 | jan_js | oh - sorry. That was stupid ! |
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| 12:07.48 | CM | XorA: For that answer you should get one of these: http://www.bettycrocker.com/recipes/recipe.aspx?recipeId=40759 ;) |
| 12:08.07 | jan_js | Btw. - how long does delivery to Germany take at the moment ? If thats not offtopic ? |
| 12:08.20 | atul | what could be the reason for "ERROR: No providers of build target hello" when using bitbake build method? |
| 12:08.55 | xzcvczx | is there a way to do 'ipkg upgrade' but only show what will be updated not actually do it |
| 12:09.04 | XorA | CM: http://www.xora.org.uk/node/19 |
| 12:12.49 | hrw | xzcvczx: tried "ipkg --help"? |
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| 12:16.17 | xzcvczx | hrw: i am guessing -noaction but its information isnt too descriptive |
| 12:17.28 | CM | XorA: Hehe... :) |
| 12:19.15 | XorA | CM: and the next year I got a Dalek |
| 12:19.59 | CM | XorA: *lol* Nice baker skillZ needed for that one |
| 12:20.02 | CM | ;) |
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| 12:24.56 | zdanek | I just put fresh 2GB SD card in my neo |
| 12:25.03 | zdanek | works smoothly :D |
| 12:25.18 | CM | Nice, now fill it with some good music.. :P |
| 12:25.36 | XorA | techno techno techno techno |
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| 12:26.11 | madwoota | hellno hellno hellno hellno |
| 12:26.26 | CM | madwoota: Hehe |
| 12:26.52 | XorA | Neo speakers sound best with techno :-D |
| 12:27.13 | LittleIdiot | *cough* |
| 12:27.18 | zdanek | as for bugs in latest builds, the dialer I have has no hang up icon |
| 12:27.28 | zdanek | and answer icon neither |
| 12:27.44 | zdanek | so I can't answer and end a call |
| 12:28.08 | zdanek | as for music - only rock or jazz :D |
| 12:28.16 | zash | psychadelic trance ftw |
| 12:28.20 | madwoota | gotta love that dev quality software :P |
| 12:28.29 | zdanek | I do :) |
| 12:28.42 | zdanek | some excitements in life ;) |
| 12:29.11 | zdanek | when you cannot aswer you're wife's call :/ |
| 12:29.30 | madwoota | oh, so you're actually dead then |
| 12:29.40 | madwoota | nice, the neo talks to ghosts too ! |
| 12:30.04 | LittleIdiot | zdanek: you actually use it for making calls? ;) |
| 12:30.30 | SpeedEvil | cal: it's not much fun. |
| 12:30.32 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 12:34.04 | Henryk | XorA: actually that's not correct: they sound even better with good violin music. I keep Vanessa Mae - The Original Four Seasons - Summer - III. Tempo impetuoso d'Estate on my Neo for demonstration purposes. (You've got to disable that unfortunate 3D emulation setting, of course) |
| 12:35.12 | zdanek | LittleIdiot: yes I did until I put the latest build |
| 12:35.45 | Sup3rkiddo | evening all |
| 12:37.12 | SpeedEvil | Any bass-light music tends to work well. |
| 12:38.16 | zdanek | Sup3rkiddo: what is your Timezone? |
| 12:38.23 | zash | so, we need a bt-subwoofer of DOOM! |
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| 12:38.40 | Sup3rkiddo | zdanek, UIT |
| 12:40.12 | zdanek | sorry, where is it? |
| 12:40.29 | zdanek | I have 2:40 pm in CET |
| 12:40.35 | Sup3rkiddo | zdanek, Universal internet time :P |
| 12:40.39 | CM | Henryk: I have T.S.O.L for demonstration, works too beause you can't tell if the noise and distortions are from the recording or the speakers.. ;) |
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| 13:10.17 | zecke | atul: hey, do you have any idea which hotel to book for the foss.in? |
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| 13:11.59 | zecke | atul: sorry, you are the wrong one ;) |
| 13:12.58 | mbuf | do we create two modulenames, one for source code, and another for .bb to upload to projects.openmoko.org? |
| 13:13.24 | mbuf | zecke, book early; its quite expensive, anyways |
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| 13:26.29 | XorA | abraxa_: pushed you patch |
| 13:26.51 | abraxa_ | XorA: Yay, thanks =) |
| 13:27.19 | abraxa_ | I take it you didn't see anything wrong with it? |
| 13:27.43 | Sup3rkiddo | time will tell when kittens die |
| 13:28.03 | abraxa_ | Nooo, not the kittens :( |
| 13:31.27 | XorA | abraxa_: looked fine to me, wait until the screaming starts :-) |
| 13:32.02 | abraxa_ | XorA: Aite... I'll just plug my ears so I can't hear it then ;) |
| 13:34.00 | mbuf | what should CVSROOT be set for uploading code to projects.openmoko.org? |
| 13:34.29 | zecke | mbuf: can one really choose to use cvs for it? |
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| 13:43.45 | CM | abraxa_: http://rafb.net/p/EKngWC44.html |
| 13:43.54 | CM | Have I just missed something simple? :) |
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| 13:44.18 | XorA | CM: no I did |
| 13:44.25 | CM | Ok |
| 13:44.36 | XorA | CM: I forgot to increase SRCREV for mediaplayer2 |
| 13:44.44 | CM | Ah, ok |
| 13:45.10 | abraxa_ | XorA: Yeah, the disadvantages of sane srcrevs... thanks, man :) |
| 13:45.32 | abraxa_ | And wtf, CM... I was so happy working, then you yell at me :( |
| 13:45.44 | CM | :D |
| 13:45.55 | mbuf | why do i get "Permission denied (publickey)" when i try to do "cvs -d :ext:username@cvs.projects.projectname.org:/cvsroot/projectname import -m "First release" module tagname start"? |
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| 13:46.31 | mbuf | *cvs.projects.openmoko.org |
| 13:48.27 | CM | abraxa_: Right now I'm more happy yelling than working ;) |
| 13:49.58 | CM | abraxa_: Me and Earl believs in karma :P |
| 13:50.01 | XorA | openmoko guys, chances are you might need to rm -rf sources/svn/*jana* the repos moved |
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| 13:50.26 | XorA | if libjana or openmoko-dates2 refuses to fetch you know what to do :-) |
| 13:50.46 | CM | XorA: I try without doing that first, so if it breaks I'll paste that an the solution in a bug ;) |
| 13:50.47 | XorA | CM: mediaplayer2 should build again |
| 13:50.47 | abraxa_ | Blame you? ;) |
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| 13:51.26 | CM | ~lart abraxa_ |
| 13:51.26 | apt | installs a bad bootloader on abraxa_ and turns abraxa_ into a brick |
| 13:51.42 | abraxa_ | :( |
| 13:51.54 | CM | Don't mess with u-boot :D |
| 13:52.02 | abraxa_ | Fo' realz. |
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| 13:54.18 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.25 | CM | XorA: all jana stuff, mediaplayer2 and dates2 compiled nicely without any manual tinkering needed. :) |
| 13:58.39 | XorA | CM: phew |
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| 14:01.57 | abraxa_ | Thanks, CM |
| 14:02.53 | CM | abraxa_: Just have to get home and try it too :) |
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| 14:06.15 | ScaredyCat | moo |
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| 14:12.30 | u_l-lap | moo |
| 14:12.45 | CM | MOO II |
| 14:12.48 | u_l-lap | what this channel needs is a CowBot |
| 14:13.04 | zash | a whatbot? |
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| 14:13.09 | CM | No, we need a new Masters Of Orion 2 ;) |
| 14:14.35 | u_l-lap | zash: when the old heaven & earth fade away you shall be granted the divine vision of our Moolords |
| 14:18.54 | xzcvczxx | hmmmm bbs rebooting to install linux |
| 14:19.11 | SpeedEvil | Wave. |
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| 14:43.04 | CM | rwhitby: Europe <-> Sydney in 4.6h Sounds a lot better than your 31h flight: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/24/hypersonic_hydrogen_rocket_airliner/ |
| 14:43.52 | zash | why travel when we have the INTERWEB! |
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| 14:45.58 | CM | zash: Vacation? ;) |
| 14:46.35 | XorA | CM: just load some seaside pr0n from the interweb, saves a fortune |
| 14:46.46 | CM | Hehe |
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| 14:47.24 | CM | Yeah, the prices for that flight was supposed to be "like regular business class".. *Shudder* |
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| 14:50.52 | xzcvczx | damn wpa |
| 14:51.43 | _buz | mhh 4h to AU for regluar business price? |
| 14:51.45 | _buz | thats not so bad |
| 14:52.39 | CM | No, and I'm sure the people who fly business will switch in an instant if they build those planes |
| 14:53.24 | _buz | some others might consider it, too |
| 14:53.28 | _buz | i know i'd think about it |
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| 14:53.59 | CM | Me too, if I can afford it :) |
| 14:54.15 | _buz | well i guess that would be along the tune of 8K EUR or so |
| 14:54.20 | _buz | which is a bit much ;) |
| 14:54.50 | abraxa_ | You know the rules of marketing right? Claim the product will be ready sooner than it can possibly be, for a lot less than it will actually cost and with more features it will actually have |
| 14:55.16 | _buz | i went to marketing lectures about 2 times |
| 14:55.18 | CM | Yikes.. I've only been in Business Class once, and that ticket was about 2.800EUR, Amdsterdam <-> Sao Paulo |
| 14:55.23 | _buz | the bullshit ratio is way too high |
| 14:55.55 | _buz | mhh that's actually not so bad |
| 14:56.02 | abraxa_ | _buz: That's what marketing is for - bullshitting people :) |
| 14:56.07 | _buz | i know |
| 14:56.25 | _buz | too bad i have an extraordinarily good BS detector |
| 14:56.45 | CM | XorA: Volvo payed my ticket because they have a policy of B.C. if the flight is over 10h non-stop |
| 14:56.51 | _buz | in general, BS causes the opposite reaction in me. makes sure i WONT buy your product |
| 14:56.52 | CM | :D |
| 14:57.01 | XorA | CM: lucky you |
| 14:57.13 | CM | And I don't even work for them.. |
| 14:57.23 | _buz | given the choice between business or economy plus 50% of the difference in cash, i might stilly fly econ |
| 14:57.31 | XorA | CM: I should have been allowed BC to japan because I had to work the minute I got off plane after 11hr flight, of course cheapskates wouldnt pay |
| 14:57.48 | CM | Bah... Sucks :-/ |
| 14:58.10 | XorA | CM: then they had the cheak to complain because I took 2 days off work for losing my weekend, which is in the same travel policy as the one that said I should get business class |
| 14:58.48 | _buz | what company (i sure dont wanna work for THEM) |
| 14:59.32 | CM | Well, Ford are real cheapskates too, but if you know the policies you can abuse them a bit ;) |
| 14:59.39 | XorA | _buz: no worries, they dont really exist anymore |
| 15:00.04 | CM | (Ford = owners of Volvo Cars = hired me as a consultant) |
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| 15:01.57 | zash | from my office |
| 15:03.07 | CM | zash: Volvo Umeverken is not Volvo Cars ;) |
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| 15:03.40 | CM | zash: Jag kunde se skorstenarna hemifrån förut.. (<- Grubbebo) |
| 15:03.55 | zash | men, det är fortfarande en volvo-fabrik jue |
| 15:04.21 | CM | Jo, volvo ab är svenskt, volvo cars amerikanskt ägt av ford |
| 15:04.30 | zash | aha |
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| 15:05.37 | zash | woha, /me needs to do that too |
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| 15:11.19 | xzcvczx | grrrr.... anyone know how i can move all the stuff on my windows partition to the start of the drive so i can resize the partition |
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| 15:12.11 | Jiten | xzcvczx: isn't that usually called defragging? |
| 15:12.28 | Jiten | well, ok, not exactly :) |
| 15:12.36 | Robot101 | any competent partition resizer can do that for you too |
| 15:12.43 | Robot101 | parted will for instance, on NTFS or FAT |
| 15:13.21 | xzcvczx | Robot101: oh? i tried gparted but it wouldnt let me make the partition any smaller as there is stuff at the end of the partition |
| 15:13.22 | Jiten | yeah, better use a proper resizer. |
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| 15:13.35 | Jiten | gparted != parted |
| 15:13.52 | Robot101 | eh? I'm sure I rearranged my mum's PC with gparted and all was well |
| 15:13.57 | Stephmw | I thought gparted used the library version of parted? |
| 15:14.26 | xzcvczx | Robot101: do you rearrange the stuff before trying to resize it? |
| 15:14.27 | Jiten | I'm mostly implying that the user interface code might be different. |
| 15:14.35 | Stephmw | ah, fair enough |
| 15:14.40 | xzcvczx | as i just went straight to resize |
| 15:15.13 | xzcvczx | well bbs i will reboot into linux again and have a look bbs |
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| 15:15.25 | Jiten | and some distributions ship (or shipped) it without capability to resize ntfs. |
| 15:16.19 | Jiten | too bad he didn't mention the distro :/ |
| 15:16.35 | Jiten | sounds like a live-cd though |
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| 16:10.37 | CM | Tried compiz, what a picece of crap :P |
| 16:11.13 | CM | Hanged totaly, and refused to take input from my keyboard or mouse. Good thing I could ssh in from my Neo and kill compiz ;) |
| 16:12.45 | |R | hehe :) |
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| 16:14.14 | CM | Sup3rkiddo: Quinn_Storm has a Neo |
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| 16:14.26 | CM | Been in here a few times |
| 16:14.26 | PBeck | hi |
| 16:14.42 | CM | That's the author of Beryl, now Compiz Fusi'on stuff |
| 16:14.48 | Sup3rkiddo | CM, oh, cool..i happened to see one of those htcs in action |
| 16:15.34 | Sup3rkiddo | with touch thing that rotates some cubical stuff...they have tied up with Airtel in India, |
| 16:15.52 | cb22 | please |
| 16:15.55 | cb22 | touching is lame |
| 16:16.04 | cb22 | with the neo you will simply move it to the side :p |
| 16:16.06 | Sup3rkiddo | mmm...touchhhh |
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| 16:21.37 | xzcvczx | 2nd time lucky hopefully last time x died and tryed to destroy windows |
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| 16:59.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 956 has been created by <laforge> |
| 16:59.02 | cdbot2 | * * GTA02 charging with 1000mA using wall-outlet charger |
| 16:59.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=956 |
| 16:59.43 | mjr | hmm, swell |
| 17:03.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 957 has been created by <laforge> |
| 17:03.02 | cdbot2 | * * No driver for HDQ bus / coulomb counter in new GTA02 battery |
| 17:03.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=957 |
| 17:05.06 | xamindar | october is almost over. Is neo1973 close to being released? |
| 17:05.21 | torpor | you can get a neo1973 right now |
| 17:05.26 | Maledictus | see channel topic |
| 17:05.46 | xamindar | oops, thanks |
| 17:05.47 | torpor | general public will be able to buy openmoko devices early 2008 |
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| 17:06.33 | xamindar | are the current developer ones still on back-order? |
| 17:07.00 | CM | xamindar: No, but they are still GTA01 |
| 17:07.21 | CM | So no wifi or such for at least 2 more months until GTA02 is available |
| 17:07.46 | CM | xamindar: People ordering now seem to get them in about 1 week :) |
| 17:07.52 | torpor | who needs it? bluetooth works great. |
| 17:08.17 | xamindar | aww, ok |
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| 17:08.52 | CM | torpor: I'd like to give a bluetooth pan a try, but I've been to lazy to set that up on my desktorp |
| 17:09.35 | torpor | man i'm loving it. |
| 17:09.42 | torpor | gprs too |
| 17:09.47 | CM | :) |
| 17:10.04 | torpor | i'm about to start leaving my laptop at home and just take the moko and bt keyboard for email/web when i need it .. |
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| 17:22.05 | zecke | mickey|away: I continue to get dfu_download errors, even with the static binary |
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| 17:32.56 | zecke | wow this neo hates me... |
| 17:33.47 | guaqua | does someone here have experience on the asus eee laptop? |
| 17:33.54 | nelson | zecke: but we love you.... |
| 17:35.31 | nelson | CM: I'm running compiz with Ubuntu Feisty and it's working a champ. |
| 17:37.27 | _buz | guaqua: i dont think eee is shipping yet |
| 17:38.05 | _buz | in some ways, its a sibling of neo ;) |
| 17:39.17 | guaqua | _buz: they've been selling it for a few days in taiwan |
| 17:39.20 | baird | It's on sale in Taiwan, but hasn't gone international as yet. |
| 17:39.26 | _buz | o really |
| 17:39.39 | _buz | how much? (4GB, 512RAM model) |
| 17:39.44 | guaqua | a finnish tech blog was talking about 2008Q1 |
| 17:40.02 | guaqua | so that might be the time in finland |
| 17:40.17 | guaqua | though it's probably going to be more expensive when bought from here :( |
| 17:40.22 | _buz | if price in TW is good enough i'll import one ;) |
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| 17:40.35 | enjahova | how does eee stack up to competition? |
| 17:40.42 | _buz | there is not really competition |
| 17:40.46 | enjahova | hmm |
| 17:40.47 | _buz | OLPC isnt for sale |
| 17:40.52 | _buz | and classmate is kinda weird |
| 17:40.56 | _buz | and not for sale, either |
| 17:40.57 | baird | Unfortunately, the 'bluepills' keep insisting on Microsoft, and that's pushing the company into going more for a more expensive system, rather than a light Linux machine. :/ |
| 17:40.59 | enjahova | well, you can get an olpc this november |
| 17:41.12 | enjahova | eee uses windows or linux |
| 17:41.12 | _buz | enjahova: for a totally insane price |
| 17:41.13 | enjahova | ? |
| 17:41.25 | _buz | eee is a bog standard x86 machine, so yes, win and linux |
| 17:41.35 | enjahova | their website wasn't very informative |
| 17:41.38 | enjahova | oh true |
| 17:41.46 | _buz | not sure you can really run win in 4GB flash |
| 17:41.52 | _buz | sure as hell dont want to |
| 17:41.55 | guaqua | is it flash? |
| 17:41.58 | _buz | yes |
| 17:42.00 | enjahova | what distro u think will be best? |
| 17:42.01 | _buz | 2-8G |
| 17:42.06 | baird | Noting that NTFS doesn't have wear-levelling... |
| 17:42.08 | guaqua | it uses the term SSD |
| 17:42.17 | _buz | baird: modern flash chips have that integrated |
| 17:42.29 | _buz | solid state disks generally ARE flash |
| 17:42.43 | guaqua | _buz: yes, generally :) |
| 17:42.59 | guaqua | it doesn't say anything about bluetooth in the specs |
| 17:43.02 | enjahova | how hard to run ubuntu on eee? |
| 17:43.17 | guaqua | enjahova: shouldn't be a problem |
| 17:43.19 | enjahova | or openmoko ^_^ |
| 17:43.42 | guaqua | the screen estate is quite limited :/ |
| 17:43.55 | _buz | i'm going to run kubuntu for damn sure |
| 17:44.06 | _buz | if i get one, that is |
| 17:44.12 | guaqua | yeah :) |
| 17:44.30 | _buz | seeing that i also have a 24" lcd and a wii on my purchase list |
| 17:44.59 | guaqua | i wonder if it would be possible to buy from the internet |
| 17:45.10 | _buz | sure |
| 17:45.17 | _buz | if you cant buy it online, you probably cant buy it at all |
| 17:45.31 | _buz | but be warned, shipping is gonna be expensive |
| 17:45.36 | guaqua | cos the finnish price is like the taiwanese price + 22% vat + 20% extra |
| 17:45.49 | guaqua | and that's probably less than the shipping :) |
| 17:45.50 | _buz | well you will still have to pay vat |
| 17:46.13 | guaqua | depends :/ |
| 17:46.16 | _buz | 10d shipping for 1kg from asia is like 50 USD |
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| 17:46.35 | _buz | a lot more for 2 day |
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| 17:47.28 | guaqua | well, for an after-christmas present, maybe :) |
| 17:47.36 | _buz | shipping individual things around is not really affordabl |
| 17:47.37 | _buz | e |
| 17:47.57 | _buz | otoh, i bought a microwave oven for 30EUR yesterday, just HTF you can make profit on that is beyond me |
| 17:48.32 | guaqua | old model? |
| 17:48.38 | _buz | well its very basic |
| 17:48.47 | _buz | but i dont think its overstock |
| 17:48.54 | _buz | they publicized the deal quite widely |
| 17:49.14 | _buz | so i assume they do have plenty of it |
| 17:49.37 | anrp | depends on the seller |
| 17:49.44 | guaqua | you have to make pretty many ovens to cover all the costs |
| 17:49.45 | _buz | well it's the largest retailer in switzerland |
| 17:50.05 | anrp | ..D:? |
| 17:50.20 | _buz | anyway, shipping a standard container from shanghai to NYC costs about 700$ |
| 17:50.29 | anrp | that's pretty damn cheap |
| 17:50.32 | _buz | which is pretty cheap if you think about it |
| 17:50.46 | _buz | (i assume its port to port, not city to city) |
| 17:50.48 | guaqua | shipping a standard container from east coast us to finland is ~1600 euros |
| 17:50.53 | enjahova | you mean a 40 ton container? |
| 17:50.59 | guaqua | or ~1800 euros |
| 17:51.01 | _buz | well ship container |
| 17:51.01 | cjb_ie | 40 foot? |
| 17:51.08 | enjahova | no, 40,000lb |
| 17:51.11 | enjahova | shipping container |
| 17:51.11 | guaqua | standard container |
| 17:51.12 | torpor | apropos bluetooth configurations and stuff .. anyone working on a GUI? i wanna build one to attach/detach bt keyboards and such: worth the effort? |
| 17:51.20 | enjahova | thats a lot of neos ^_^ |
| 17:51.32 | _buz | hehehe |
| 17:51.48 | anrp | they probably shipped it as less-than-truckload to the office in CA |
| 17:51.53 | anrp | but then again.. who knows |
| 17:52.03 | mjr | torpor, I'd appreciate it :] |
| 17:52.07 | _buz | in some cases shipping a whole container may actually be cheaper |
| 17:52.22 | CM | torpor: Would be great :) |
| 17:52.44 | guaqua | _buz: the problem mostly is: how to fill up the containers? |
| 17:52.51 | _buz | why bother |
| 17:52.55 | torpor | ok but anyone know of one already? |
| 17:52.59 | _buz | if its cheaper to send half a container, simply do that ;) |
| 17:53.10 | guaqua | _if_ :) |
| 17:53.17 | torpor | coz i'm so excited about my apple keyboard and the neo as a combo that if there isn't one already, i'll just make a gui controller app that wraps around the cmd line stuff .. |
| 17:54.03 | CM | torpor: I think that was on the ToDo-list for the SettingsGUI |
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| 17:57.54 | torpor | CM: so i should add it to settingsgui then? |
| 18:01.23 | CM | torpor: Might be a good place to start, but I don't really know. Just noticed that mentioned in the SettingsGUI wiki-page |
| 18:01.47 | CM | torpor: It's kristian-m and Ghiottone who work on that I think |
| 18:02.29 | torpor | thing is if the settingsgui is not going to be included coz it uses python, i'd rather just write a gtk app .. |
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| 18:03.02 | Ghiottone | hi all |
| 18:03.18 | Ghiottone | is anyone using my openmoko search engine? |
| 18:03.18 | torpor | hi Ghiottone ! |
| 18:03.18 | CM | Speak of the devil.. ;) |
| 18:03.25 | CM | Ghiottone: I am |
| 18:03.34 | torpor | we were just talking about you G .. i wanna add bt keyboard support to the settingsGUI? |
| 18:03.40 | CM | Ghiottone: The mediawiki search function sucks.. |
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| 18:04.34 | Ghiottone | great. I have just made some changes. I have basically added some special pages to the engine |
| 18:04.35 | Ghiottone | and I hope it will behave better |
| 18:04.52 | Ghiottone | torpor, so? |
| 18:05.00 | Ghiottone | it seems a good idea to me |
| 18:05.12 | torpor | ok! |
| 18:05.19 | torpor | i'll go ahead and look at that then .. |
| 18:05.30 | torpor | just got a nice new apple wireless set up with the neo .. |
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| 18:06.00 | Ghiottone | but shouldn't you ask christian about it? |
| 18:06.09 | torpor | dunno should i? |
| 18:06.20 | Ghiottone | I don't know. he is the author of settings gui |
| 18:06.31 | Ghiottone | I'm just the packager |
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| 18:07.25 | Ghiottone | I don't think he will be against it, however |
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| 18:07.34 | Ghiottone | I think he'll gladly accept a patch |
| 18:07.56 | Ghiottone | or I could put a patch in the package to add that functionality |
| 18:08.38 | Ghiottone | torpor, ping? |
| 18:08.38 | torpor | ok well lets just get something working and see what happens next .. i'm installing settingsgui now |
| 18:08.49 | Ghiottone | ok |
| 18:09.16 | Ghiottone | if you write a program by itself I can package and host it like I did for settingsgui |
| 18:10.10 | torpor | ok |
| 18:10.25 | torpor | looking at settingsgui now to see if i should add a new tab, or just make a keyboard pair app .. |
| 18:10.32 | Ghiottone | CM, should you use my search engine again, could you please tell me if it is getting better? |
| 18:10.47 | CM | Ghiottone: Sure |
| 18:10.54 | Ghiottone | CM, thank you :) |
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| 18:11.52 | Ghiottone | torpor, if you want to do a standalone app, it would be really good for it to have setup.py so that distutils can be used for packaging |
| 18:12.15 | Ghiottone | torpor, if it doesn't, we'll have problems for the .pyo files |
| 18:12.38 | torpor | i was thinking not to use python |
| 18:12.50 | torpor | but actually looking at settingsgui now it seems that it would be quite trivial to add it .. |
| 18:13.04 | torpor | i'll just add it to settingsgui. |
| 18:13.10 | Ghiottone | torpor, ok whatever is fine for me. |
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| 18:13.26 | torpor | can i get a show of hands for testers for this functionality in the near future (today / tomorrow)? |
| 18:13.35 | torpor | i.e. who has a bluetooth keyboard? |
| 18:13.46 | CM | I don't, unfortunately.. |
| 18:13.52 | torpor | i'll ask on the lists. |
| 18:14.17 | CM | Hmm.. Can a desktop with a bluetooth plug emulate a bt keyboard? That could be a cool app too |
| 18:15.45 | Ghiottone | I don't have one either |
| 18:17.33 | Ghiottone | I have to go now |
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| 18:17.58 | Ghiottone | torpor, should you need something from me just drop me an email and i'll answer asap |
| 18:18.05 | Ghiottone | bye all |
| 18:18.31 | CM | bye |
| 18:22.42 | mjr | CM, it's codable |
| 18:22.58 | mjr | torpor, I have a KB, and can test |
| 18:23.15 | mjr | well, not today, since I forgot my neo at work it seems |
| 18:23.45 | torpor | mjr: well i'll make this change tonight and then i'll be on here tomorrow in case you wanna pick up my version and test it out |
| 18:23.54 | torpor | i'm freakin' *loving* being able to do this *on* the neo, btw. |
| 18:23.55 | torpor | ;) |
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| 18:24.18 | CM | torpor: Hehe... I'm envious! |
| 18:24.29 | torpor | all i need is cscope and vim-color on the neo and i'll be totally happy |
| 18:24.32 | torpor | oh, and a working compiler |
| 18:24.41 | torpor | and full source for everytthing on an external SD card |
| 18:24.43 | mwester-road | That shouldn't be too hard. |
| 18:24.51 | torpor | and the whole tree compiled (not cross-compiled) using the neo itself |
| 18:24.55 | torpor | *THEN* i'll be happy. ;) |
| 18:25.00 | torpor | right now i'm just gleeful... |
| 18:25.00 | CM | mwester-road: Are you using a ROAD or are you on the road? :) |
| 18:25.18 | SpeedEvil | The current build tree should just about fit on a 6GB microSD, using compressed filesystetms. |
| 18:25.21 | mwester-road | We build the entire cross-tools, just build the non"-native" versions of same and install the ipkgs. |
| 18:25.25 | mwester-road | CM: I'm on the road. |
| 18:25.34 | mwester-road | Minneapolis, today. |
| 18:25.39 | torpor | SpeedEvil: i wanna do that and i have an 8g microSD card on its way to me. |
| 18:25.52 | mwester-road | torpor: I too have a BT keyboard. It's about 50x larger than the neo, though ;) |
| 18:25.58 | mjr | ...just run it over nfs :] |
| 18:26.06 | torpor | mwester-road: i just got the apple wireless.. its lovely as hell. perfect for the neo. |
| 18:26.25 | SpeedEvil | torpor: 'on its way' or 'will ship at some limit in the future' ? |
| 18:26.51 | mwester-road | Apple makes stylish stuff that works, Sony makes stylish stuff that sometimes works, and IBM make Ugly(with a capital H) stuff that works... |
| 18:26.52 | SpeedEvil | s/limit/time/ |
| 18:27.25 | CM | mwester-road: Ah, ok. Just know that some OE guy had one of these: http://road.de/deutsch/02_01_S101.html |
| 18:27.36 | mwester-road | I wish I could place the neo into any one of those categories, but not just yet ;) |
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| 18:28.05 | mwester-road | CM: that's cool too. |
| 18:29.38 | torpor | SpeedEvil: on its way, as in coming to me any day now |
| 18:30.24 | torpor | mwester-road: well i'm finding the neo more and more useful every day .. |
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| 18:31.25 | mwester-road | I took the neo along with me on this trip, for the first time. So its becoming more useful. Which, for me at least, only underscores the remaining major issues we have with the GTA01... |
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| 18:32.08 | torpor | i'd like to see a real effort to get the final wrinks out .. |
| 18:32.45 | guaqua | seems like the focus is on gta02 or the device after that |
| 18:33.15 | |R | http://www.wired.com/gadgets/gadgetreviews/magazine/test2007/st_essay |
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| 18:33.58 | torpor | guaqua: well since only 'developers' have gta01 devices right now its up to us developers to get the wrinkles nailed out .. |
| 18:34.09 | enjahova | what are the final wrinkles? |
| 18:34.34 | mjr | phone-usability... |
| 18:34.54 | mwester-road | The problem is documentation (proprietary). I'm at the point where I'm ready to learn what needs to be learned to write a gsmd that actually works, but I understand that the GSM modem docs are not publicly available. And we've beaten the issues with teh GPS to death by now... |
| 18:35.13 | torpor | when is gps gonna be fixed tho? |
| 18:35.19 | torpor | i really want it to work on my gta01 |
| 18:35.22 | torpor | its driving me crazy |
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| 18:36.04 | mwester-road | I'm going to keep my mouth closed with regard to my opinion on delivery of a driver for the gta01 gps; last time I expressed my thoughts, it made Roh really angry. |
| 18:36.10 | anrp | if you don't care about illegality, it works right now |
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| 18:36.12 | torpor | its lame |
| 18:36.14 | guaqua | torpor: yes, true |
| 18:36.17 | torpor | we just gotta get a working package |
| 18:36.35 | anrp | well as long as you stay away from eabi |
| 18:36.43 | torpor | why isn't there a "developer-only" release of the working gps wrapper setup? i mean, this is really upsetting developers who want to get working neo code happening .. |
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| 18:39.17 | mjr | apparently because of lacking legalese |
| 18:39.43 | torpor | so someone should just package it up and wrap a disclaimer on it, and point it only at current developers (not consumers) and leve it at that. |
| 18:39.48 | mjr | oh, just the wrapper |
| 18:39.54 | mjr | that's be easier one would think |
| 18:40.47 | torpor | i don't see why someone who knows how to do that doesn't just do it and let us have it to use to write apps for it .. |
| 18:41.04 | torpor | but thats just me. iknow there are politicians in the Openmoko crowd. |
| 18:41.23 | torpor | on that night, i'm away for now .. but i'll be back later with a working settingsGUI+bluetoothkeys package for you guys so stay tuned .. |
| 18:44.38 | nelson | anrp: is there a wiki page on the "illegality of GPS driver" issue? |
| 18:45.31 | zecke | devirginator is known to not be buildable? |
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| 18:49.33 | |R | http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/08/23/apple-iphone-vs-the-fic-neo1973-openmoko-linux-smartphone/ <- is it just me or is this article talking trash? |
| 18:51.33 | SpeedEvil | There is a lot of rubbish out there. |
| 18:51.48 | XorA|gone | |R: its an old article and is totally based on donkey poo |
| 18:52.29 | XorA|gone | apple fan boys only like what they are force fed |
| 18:52.55 | |R | yeah i know one of them, it's crazy, i feel like i'm talking to a brainwashed zombie who doesn't care for himself :| |
| 18:53.17 | Robot101 | heh, it cites Caldera as an example |
| 18:53.23 | enjahova | "Really, there’s no reason apart from the fact that mobile software requires tight integration with the hardware it runs on." |
| 18:53.25 | XorA|gone | could be worse, could be a Windows fanboy |
| 18:53.28 | enjahova | sounds like a pretty big reason |
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| 19:00.36 | guaqua | apple fanbois :> |
| 19:02.49 | DarkFoxDK | right here ^.^ |
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| 20:27.12 | berkus | damn.. this SD card placement decision was really smart |
| 20:27.39 | berkus | you can't lose it even if you really really wanted to :) |
| 20:28.15 | cjb_ie | heh, i lost the memory stick duo out of my sonyericsson... think it just fell out one day |
| 20:28.43 | berkus | i had my ms duo almost fall out, but i noticed it the last moment |
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| 20:55.46 | matsimoto | hi out there does someone has a pointer to an example source code on how to control the alsamixer on the neo ? |
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| 20:56.47 | SpeedEvil | mattzerah: I don't think so. |
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| 20:57.05 | SpeedEvil | mattzerah: there is the diagram of the audio mixer chip in the wiki |
| 20:57.05 | _diego_ | what kind of source code? |
| 20:57.25 | SpeedEvil | mattzerah: but to get full flexibility, you're going to have to look at the datasheet, and derive connections |
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| 20:58.59 | matsimoto | _diego_: something on how to change the volume, or how to switch a source from the headset to the handset to the speaker |
| 21:00.12 | _diego_ | look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem |
| 21:00.18 | matsimoto | SpeedEvil: I think I am not technical enough to transfer the information in the datasheet to working code :( |
| 21:00.23 | SpeedEvil | mattzerah: oh - that's a bit easier, you can use the canned settings. |
| 21:00.47 | matsimoto | SpeedEvil: canned settings ? |
| 21:00.58 | SpeedEvil | mattzerah: the various audio state files |
| 21:01.00 | _diego_ | look at asound.state :) |
| 21:01.39 | matsimoto | ok, but this command line based isnt it ? I am looking form some C code. |
| 21:02.46 | SpeedEvil | So lookup how to setup alsa mixers in general, then configure the mixers according to the state file |
| 21:02.54 | _diego_ | system('alsactl ....')? |
| 21:03.59 | matsimoto | SpeedEvil: ok, I should take look at the alsactl source ?! |
| 21:04.01 | XorA|gone | amixer is the easy way to set individual controls |
| 21:04.44 | matsimoto | _diego_: hmm, I dont like to call external prgs. No control over the process the memory and so on. |
| 21:04.50 | _diego_ | btw, I don't raccomend to change alsa mixer's setup from application, except for settingsgui alike apps |
| 21:05.13 | matsimoto | _diego_: why not ? |
| 21:05.26 | SpeedEvil | Doing it directly by poking mixer states will break in the near future. |
| 21:05.42 | SpeedEvil | When the proper solution is implemented. |
| 21:06.13 | _diego_ | can not compatible with new hardware version, and can break other apps |
| 21:07.17 | matsimoto | SpeedEvil: should it not be sufficient to use libalsa* in the app ? Or will there be some managing daemons ? |
| 21:08.19 | matsimoto | Is it really better to call an external process ? On a slow device this could take a moment. |
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| 21:10.45 | _diego_ | just can be not compatible with future revision of hardware (different mixer devices...) |
| 21:10.46 | SpeedEvil | mattzerah: the fundamental problem is that the soundcard is too flexible. |
| 21:11.35 | SpeedEvil | mattzerah: for example, you can route the GSM audio out to the headphones with the CPU off, or through the CPU doing voice-pitch-changing, or recording to voicemail. |
| 21:11.47 | XorA|gone | matsimoto: the code for changing mixers is small, look in the tests directory of alsa-lib |
| 21:11.58 | XorA|gone | matsimoto: it has a load of examples |
| 21:12.30 | matsimoto | XorA: thanx, I will take a look. |
| 21:12.34 | SpeedEvil | For example, playing mp3 while doing voicemail apps. |
| 21:12.39 | XorA|gone | matsimoto: or just nick code from amixer |
| 21:14.04 | matsimoto | hmm, is calling an external program best practice for this ? |
| 21:14.26 | SpeedEvil | a |
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| 21:14.33 | SpeedEvil | At some point you will need to. |
| 21:14.51 | SpeedEvil | Simply as your app can't know what else is going on with the audio hardware. |
| 21:15.09 | SpeedEvil | And the audio hardware can do stuff productively for multiple programs at once. |
| 21:15.23 | SpeedEvil | But, this isn't implemented yet. |
| 21:19.17 | matsimoto | I see the problem ... I think I will use external applications until there is a more ... as you said proper solution for this. Thanks all and have a good night .. or day ;) |
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| 21:57.11 | faern | I am trying to build & run openmoko emulated in qemu |
| 21:57.22 | faern | I have followed this guide: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#QEMU |
| 21:57.35 | faern | but I get this error: http://www.pastebin.ca/748539 |
| 21:58.09 | Vegar | faern: which version of gcc are you using? |
| 21:58.12 | Vegar | and which distro? |
| 21:58.36 | faern | gentoo... have gcc-3.4.6 installed. guess thats the version it is using |
| 21:58.51 | Vegar | interesting |
| 21:59.07 | Vegar | that error used to be related to gcc 4 |
| 21:59.30 | torpor | holy fucking shit you know what would be amazingly cool? |
| 21:59.44 | torpor | if i could play old-school MAME and other 8bit delights on the neo1973. |
| 22:00.00 | torpor | also, if it were easy to suddenly plug in usb devices and just start using them... |
| 22:00.06 | Vegar | faern: you could try compiling with 3.3 |
| 22:00.12 | torpor | then this toy would be seriously worth it. |
| 22:00.34 | faern | Vegar, ok. I can try. any known problems with 3.4? |
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| 22:00.59 | Vegar | faern: not that I'm aware of |
| 22:01.14 | Vegar | faern: my desktop is dead at the moment, so I can't check which version I use |
| 22:01.15 | henrikw | torpor: I think someone has compiled a version of scummVM for it |
| 22:01.27 | Vegar | faern: but I'm pretty sure it was 3.4 |
| 22:02.16 | faern | Vegar, yes. 3.4 should work.. but am I getting the right version of qemu? 0.9.0+cvs20070613-r5 looks old |
| 22:02.39 | Vegar | faern: it's a patched qemu that emulates the neo1973 hardware |
| 22:02.58 | henrikw | torpor: http://buildhost.automated.it/scummvm/mi.png ;) |
| 22:03.24 | Vegar | how would you play without any keys? |
| 22:03.27 | faern | Vegar, yes I know. so it's the newest version then? |
| 22:03.36 | Vegar | faern: I believe so, yes |
| 22:04.03 | henrikw | torpot: No idea.. :p |
| 22:04.33 | faern | anything special I have to activate in gcc? |
| 22:04.43 | faern | I have these useflags: USE="fortran gtk nls (-altivec) -bootstrap -boundschecking -build -d -doc -gcj (-hardened) -ip28 -ip32r10k (-multilib) -multislot (-n32) (-n64) -nocxx -nopie -nossp -objc -test -vanilla" |
| 22:05.34 | faern | as you can see. most features are turned off. maybe something there? |
| 22:06.51 | Vegar | faern: try gcc-3.3 |
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| 22:07.08 | faern | Vegar, yes it is compiling right now |
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| 22:19.25 | abraxa_ | torpor: MAME+BT keyboard should work, there are ARM builds for it |
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| 22:45.30 | faern | Vegar, I did something ugly. in order for it to find the older version I re-linked /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 too gcc-3.3.6 :P |
| 22:46.01 | faern | but right now it is compiling. We will soon see if it gets passed qemu |
| 22:46.03 | Vegar | hehe |
| 22:46.23 | Vegar | isn't there a gcc symlink? |
| 22:46.45 | faern | yes pointing to my 4.1.1 install |
| 22:47.57 | faern | it found 3.4 by itself so I used that instead.. I could have used gcc-config to change the default for the whole system. but I want version 4 for everything else |
| 22:48.07 | Vegar | I see |
| 22:48.37 | faern | YES! it passed |
| 22:49.12 | faern | so. something goofy with my 3.4 install or with 3.4 & qemu in general |
| 22:50.14 | faern | now I just have about 4900 tasks left :P maybe I should get some sleep while it's working |
| 22:50.51 | faern | Vegar, thanks for the help! |
| 22:51.09 | Vegar | no problem |
| 22:51.17 | Vegar | I believe it's a known issue with qemu |
| 22:51.30 | Vegar | so no need to worry about your GCC |
| 22:53.28 | faern | ok. is there any cleaner way to make the script find 3.3? I don't want my ugly link :/ |
| 22:54.39 | Vegar | you could try running CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.3 MokoMakefile qemusomethingsomething |
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| 22:56.44 | faern | ok. might try that the next time. now this build will (hopefully) be running the next 5 hours or so |
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