| 00:00.27 | offray_ | anrp: yep |
| 00:03.27 | CIA-29 | openmoko: 03abraxa * r3232 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/ (configure.ac src/main_page.c src/main_page.h src/playback.c): |
| 00:03.27 | CIA-29 | openmoko: Remove some unneeded (commented out) debugging messages |
| 00:03.27 | CIA-29 | openmoko: Add basic video playback support (requires gstreamer video plugins to work) |
| 00:05.44 | offray_ | well I will try the windows fix |
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| 02:56.17 | Aria | Woo! |
| 02:56.22 | Aria | Just received my first text on the Neo |
| 03:01.27 | mwester | What firmware? |
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| 03:05.57 | Aria | mwester: moko current (no GUI though) |
| 03:06.12 | Aria | mwester: in the terminal, libgsmd-tool -m shell |
| 03:06.20 | Aria | mwester: then sl=1 |
| 03:06.53 | mwester | Ah, ok. I'll see if it's still there... |
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| 04:24.33 | CM | Morning |
| 04:35.19 | mickey-tw | morning |
| 04:37.03 | high-rez | I've been behind the times on OpenMoko. How are things progressing? Is the 07.10 stack and the ability to create a pdp context complete ? |
| 04:37.46 | CM | high-rez: pdp? |
| 04:38.06 | high-rez | pdp context |
| 04:38.31 | CM | gprs? |
| 04:38.35 | high-rez | Yeah |
| 04:39.17 | CM | I don't know about that yet, haven't heard any buzz about it |
| 04:39.22 | high-rez | E.g. a data session (where here's a GTP tunnel from the SGSN to the GGSN) |
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| 04:40.12 | CM | Heh, I know those abbreviations but I've actually never heard pdp context before |
| 04:40.26 | CM | Maybe because I learned all that stuff in swedish ;) |
| 04:40.49 | high-rez | Ericsson guy? |
| 04:40.58 | high-rez | Or just normal swedish? :) |
| 04:41.10 | CM | Only thesis work there, 6 months ;) |
| 04:41.27 | high-rez | Ahh. |
| 04:41.51 | CM | Worked with video calls. UMTS is totally different.. |
| 04:42.08 | high-rez | Yeah, on the radio level at least. |
| 04:42.15 | CM | Yes |
| 04:44.23 | high-rez | On the Gn side we treat it the same (e.g. the same GGSNs service wcdma and gprs/edge connections) |
| 04:45.16 | CM | We did a video proxy connected to the ggsn for recieving 3g video calls to 112 emergency call center |
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| 04:46.06 | high-rez | Emergency video calls. That's pretty damned cool. :) |
| 04:46.17 | high-rez | "My wife stabbed me. Here, do you see this?" |
| 04:46.30 | CM | That was 2.5 years ago, and it's still not in production :/ |
| 04:46.38 | CM | They are stil working on it though |
| 04:46.43 | high-rez | Such is the industry. |
| 04:46.54 | CM | Only in sweden there's 20.000 deaf people who can't call |
| 04:47.21 | high-rez | Most networks don't have proper location based services available yet, i'm sure emergency video calls are pretty far off. |
| 04:47.33 | CM | And sure, our thesis work was a bit of a hack, but it could route calls in and out from the call centre, between phones and have mulitple viewers and also save the calls in a database |
| 04:47.42 | high-rez | Here (in the US) the infrastructure changes required would be pretty massive. |
| 04:47.49 | CM | *nod* |
| 04:48.22 | CM | Btw, in regard to OpenMoko, there's been a lot of updates all around |
| 04:48.47 | CM | gsmd seems to work most of the time for regular calls at least, and a lot of apps have been updated. The browser added and so on |
| 04:49.10 | high-rez | All from the GUI? Data over GPRS is fine then ? |
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| 04:49.40 | CM | Don't know about that yet |
| 04:50.53 | CM | Hmm... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS |
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| 04:51.31 | high-rez | Yeah, I read hat. Looks like it's quite a bit off. ;) |
| 04:52.14 | CM | I'm afraid so too |
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| 05:34.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 952 has been created by rolyataylor2(AT)yahoo.com |
| 05:34.01 | cdbot2 | * * Just some cool ideas I have been joting down. |
| 05:34.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=952 |
| 05:40.02 | CM | Hehe... Strange bug report, especially the last paragraph :D |
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| 05:44.04 | mbuf | CM, lol |
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| 05:44.59 | CM | mbuf: Don't forget to thank me too, I also have lots of great ideas like facebook integration! :P |
| 05:46.20 | mbuf | CM, it would be nice if the OM team could prepare a video for newbies, on howto get started; something that they can watch and follow instructions; something like a product release video |
| 05:46.50 | CM | mbuf: Hmm.. That's a good idea. |
| 05:47.09 | CM | We should ask the ninja in the openmoko office about that |
| 05:47.26 | mbuf | CM, indeed |
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| 05:52.30 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 05:54.03 | mbuf | Hopscotch, good morning |
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| 06:20.30 | CM | Wonderful name: GNU Classpath 0.96 "Staying Alive" released |
| 06:21.10 | ScaredyCat | ah ah ah ah.... |
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| 06:22.41 | CM | ScaredyCat: No humour on a Monday morning? :P |
| 06:22.52 | ScaredyCat | bah! |
| 06:22.56 | jserv-- | GNU Classpath 0.96.1 is out :-) |
| 06:22.57 | ScaredyCat | I thought it was funny.. |
| 06:24.50 | ScaredyCat | 'joke' |
| 06:24.57 | CM | ScaredyCat: Ah, sorry. Guess I'm the one who's not really awake. |
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| 06:25.11 | ScaredyCat | I've been up all night ! |
| 06:25.21 | CM | Probably not as big Beegees fan as you.. ;) |
| 06:25.36 | ScaredyCat | true, you're more a Village People fan... |
| 06:26.46 | CM | Actually, my gf have a pair... |
| 06:26.56 | ScaredyCat | furry ones ? |
| 06:27.57 | CM | I think there used to be some pink furry stuff on them yes.. |
| 06:28.20 | ScaredyCat | got any pictures of your gf naked? |
| 06:28.30 | ScaredyCat | wanna buy some? |
| 06:28.37 | ScaredyCat | ba boom |
| 06:28.38 | CM | :P |
| 06:28.59 | ScaredyCat | that's my standup routine done... |
| 06:29.01 | ScaredyCat | ;) |
| 06:29.31 | CM | Wish I had some though.. :D |
| 06:29.37 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 06:29.52 | ScaredyCat | just wait til she's asleep.. :P |
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| 06:30.13 | ScaredyCat | although, using a flash might not be a good ifdea |
| 06:30.17 | ScaredyCat | idea |
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| 06:40.08 | *** topic/#openmoko is The OpenMoko Project - http://openmoko.org - Neo1973 GTA01 on sale at https://direct.openmoko.com || Do not ask about GTA02 (December as of last update, yes, that's the one with WiFi, and no, there's no cam, GPS will be u-blox/Atmel ATR0635 ). |
| 06:40.16 | CM | apt: good morning |
| 06:40.17 | apt | Good morning, good! Have a cookie... oh no! The cookie jar is dry! |
| 06:40.36 | CM | Pfff... |
| 06:42.28 | ScaredyCat | nano itx are small ... |
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| 06:43.11 | ScaredyCat | just slightly larger than 2 neos side by side... |
| 06:44.47 | CM | ScaredyCat: You have one there? |
| 06:45.00 | ScaredyCat | there are lots here :D |
| 06:45.07 | CM | I'd like to build some kind of small server thing.. Like a nslu2 or so |
| 06:45.12 | ScaredyCat | we sell them |
| 06:45.15 | CM | I assume you're at work |
| 06:45.17 | CM | Yes, I noticed |
| 06:45.18 | ScaredyCat | ya |
| 06:45.19 | CM | ;) |
| 06:45.25 | ScaredyCat | :) |
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| 06:46.30 | ScaredyCat | they have a price premium - I'm not sure it's worth the extra over a mini itx |
| 06:47.25 | CM | Not if you plan to use a regular 3.5" hd or two |
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| 06:48.53 | ScaredyCat | well, it's not going to be that small then ;) |
| 06:49.26 | CM | Small isn't that important, but quiet and power efficient would be nice |
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| 06:50.55 | ScaredyCat | good psu .. external bricks always help.. |
| 06:51.05 | ScaredyCat | fanless board... |
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| 06:52.29 | CM | My current desktop is really quiet even if it has 3 fans |
| 06:53.08 | CM | But yes, some small via system with an external brick and some disks would be nice |
| 06:53.22 | ScaredyCat | mine isn't... the fan in the case under my desk atm is really noisy :/ |
| 06:54.10 | CM | I have a huge zalman cpu fan, and one underlvolted 120mm fan in the back |
| 06:54.13 | ScaredyCat | if you really want to get freaky, check out the 4 mobos in 1 u rack |
| 06:54.32 | CM | Also, the psu in the antec sonata's are really quiet |
| 06:54.48 | CM | The water pipes for the radiators are louder |
| 06:54.53 | ScaredyCat | lol |
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| 06:57.03 | daMaestro | ipkg upgrade working is awesome |
| 06:57.09 | daMaestro | good work, whoever put time into this |
| 07:00.08 | daMaestro | damn, but i just hit more dep errors |
| 07:00.09 | daMaestro | blah |
| 07:00.26 | daMaestro | Package gtk+-fastscaling wants to install file /usr/share/themes/Emacs/gtk-2.0-key/gtkrc |
| 07:00.26 | daMaestro | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.28 | daMaestro | etc. |
| 07:03.40 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.46 | daMaestro | tahnks |
| 07:04.48 | daMaestro | thanks* |
| 07:06.50 | daMaestro | i see -force-reinstall? |
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| 07:08.59 | ScaredyCat | you could try -force-overwrite or -force-reinstall but.. well.. you know... |
| 07:09.14 | ScaredyCat | both of those might break stuff |
| 07:10.12 | ScaredyCat | but you should be able to do .... |
| 07:10.45 | ScaredyCat | ipkg -force-install install <packagename> |
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| 07:17.02 | daMaestro | ScaredyCat, http://nopaste.com/p/azSxDXDVK |
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| 07:21.25 | ScaredyCat | did they sort out buildhost? |
| 07:21.31 | ScaredyCat | or is that old stuff |
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| 07:21.50 | ScaredyCat | you could add my buildhost for newer packages.... |
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| 07:23.52 | daMaestro | i'm just using the official images |
| 07:23.56 | daMaestro | so it might be that issue |
| 07:24.49 | ScaredyCat | you could try : |
| 07:24.50 | ScaredyCat | cd /etc/ipkg |
| 07:24.50 | ScaredyCat | wget http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/scaredycat.conf |
| 07:24.50 | ScaredyCat | ipkg update |
| 07:25.03 | ScaredyCat | then try... |
| 07:25.17 | ScaredyCat | my packages were built yesterday |
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| 07:39.05 | xzcvczx | is there anyway you could make your desktop use the gtk widgets/styles from the moko while doing early devel? |
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| 07:40.02 | mbuf | is it ok to put all .c and .h files in src/, or is it better to put them under src/ui, src/backend etc. (for example)? |
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| 07:47.18 | daMaestro | hmm it looks like my tmobile sim expired |
| 07:47.18 | daMaestro | lol |
| 07:47.36 | daMaestro | unless gsmd is just uber b0rked right now |
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| 07:52.30 | daMaestro | hmm maybe it's just gsmd, even my att sim is not working |
| 07:52.42 | daMaestro | ah, there it goes |
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| 07:54.14 | daMaestro | ScaredyCat, do we still need to screw with the mixer to be able to make voice calls with the headset? |
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| 08:09.50 | CM | Greenphone is down and out.. http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6964769377.html |
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| 08:13.45 | Stephmw | CM: Aye. |
| 08:13.54 | Stephmw | CM: want a cheap Greenphone? |
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| 08:14.18 | CM | Does it work well? |
| 08:14.44 | Stephmw | it makes calls ;) |
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| 08:14.50 | zash | but does it run openmoko? |
| 08:15.31 | Stephmw | tbh, I'd have to find it before I could even offer it out |
| 08:17.32 | ljp | i havent heard of anyone getting openmoko running on it |
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| 08:29.28 | CM | ljp: What's the screen size of the greenphone? |
| 08:34.33 | mickey-tw | qvga |
| 08:35.14 | stefan_schmidt | Same as my neo. ;) |
| 08:35.24 | thos | stefan_schmidt! |
| 08:35.30 | thos | stefan_schmidt: did you get it all working then? |
| 08:35.46 | Maledictus | I thought neo has vga? |
| 08:36.17 | stefan_schmidt | thos: A bit of automagic and integration is missing, but yes. |
| 08:36.31 | stefan_schmidt | Maledictus: It is. But the display can also be switched into QVGA mode. |
| 08:36.42 | Maledictus | ok |
| 08:36.47 | stefan_schmidt | Maledictus: Just finished kernel support for it |
| 08:36.57 | mickey-tw | stefan_schmidt is our new kernel hacker |
| 08:36.59 | Maledictus | What would this be useful for? |
| 08:37.07 | mickey-tw | he will then continue to do wifi drivers and smedia *g* |
| 08:37.16 | stefan_schmidt | thos: The kernel patches are on the openmoko-kernel ml. |
| 08:37.21 | mickey-tw | Maledictus: video playing |
| 08:37.22 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: You mean you just finished watching movie on it :-) |
| 08:37.25 | mickey-tw | Maledictus: games |
| 08:37.36 | stefan_schmidt | mickey-tw: You need to pass me before leaving the office |
| 08:37.38 | Maledictus | ah, ok |
| 08:37.56 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: pssst |
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| 08:38.36 | stefan_schmidt | thos: Harald still need to review and I need to integrate it better. Once this is done you can start playing with qvga theme support |
| 08:38.48 | thos | great |
| 08:38.54 | stefan_schmidt | thos: I haven't forgotten you, but it's hard to use atm |
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| 08:39.39 | stefan_schmidt | mickey-tw: I thought you decided we drop wifi? Nobody interested. |
| 08:39.47 | stefan_schmidt | Now /me runs |
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| 08:40.04 | stefan_schmidt | Just for the record, it's kidding |
| 08:40.27 | ljp | stefan_schmidt: whats the state of suspend/resume.. in regards to the modem in particular? |
| 08:41.07 | CIA-29 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3233 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-jbt6k74.patch: |
| 08:41.07 | CIA-29 | openmoko: Make sure the display gets enabled again after coming out of the deep-standby |
| 08:41.07 | CIA-29 | openmoko: state (Stefan Schmidt) |
| 08:41.09 | stefan_schmidt | ljp: mickey-tw faked you, I'm not a kernel guy. Just finished a small task. |
| 08:41.33 | stefan_schmidt | ah, review starts. Great |
| 08:41.35 | mickey-tw | ljp: no changes yet |
| 08:41.52 | mickey-tw | ljp: but it´s high priority of course |
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| 08:43.50 | ljp | ya, well.. I am easily faked and gullible like that :) |
| 08:43.54 | ljp | mickey-tw: thanks |
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| 08:46.02 | CIA-29 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3234 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/ (s3c2410_fb-line_length.patch series): fix dynamic mode/resolution switching with s3c2410_fb (line_length calculation) (Stefan Schmidt) |
| 08:48.18 | jeddy3 | stefan_schmidt, how is qvga switching supposed to be integrated in the gui? aux-button? |
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| 08:48.49 | CIA-29 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3235 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-calculator2/data/ (Makefile.am openmoko-calculator.png): * Remove redundant icon |
| 08:49.45 | tangray-nick | For Rod Whitby .This is a bug report about openmoko makefile on ubuntu 7.02 posted at cellpaste http://celpaste.morb-design.com/pastebin.php?show=m629e55bd, I cant understand why it fails. |
| 08:50.01 | CIA-29 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3236 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-jbt6k74.patch: Add register init and extend state machine to support QVGA on the LCM. (Stefan Schmidt) |
| 08:50.08 | stefan_schmidt | jeddy3: ATM we only like to use it for playing videos. There are still rough edges. Not possible to use xrandr for example |
| 08:50.31 | stefan_schmidt | jeddy3: You have to use fbset and echo something into sysfs |
| 08:50.51 | jeddy3 | stefan_schmidt, nod, ok...mplayer is the most important use i can think of also |
| 08:50.54 | CIA-29 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3237 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-jbt6k74.patch: |
| 08:50.54 | CIA-29 | openmoko: emove double register settings. Not listed in the data-sheet and it works fine |
| 08:50.54 | CIA-29 | openmoko: without them. Looks like a copy-and-paste error. (Stefan Schmidt) |
| 08:50.57 | stefan_schmidt | jeddy3: We work on better integration, but our goal is mostly for movie and perhaps games |
| 08:51.30 | jeddy3 | stefan_schmidt, is there anyway you can do this automagically upon launching mplayer in qvga? |
| 08:51.48 | mickey-tw | jeddy3: we want to integrate this functionality into abraxa_ openmoko-mediaplayer |
| 08:51.58 | stefan_schmidt | jeddy3: You mean from VGA X? |
| 08:52.13 | CIA-29 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3238 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-jbt6k74.patch: Trivial whitespace before tab cleanup. (Stefan Schmidt) |
| 08:52.17 | jeddy3 | stefan_schmidt, yes |
| 08:53.07 | XorA | stefan_schmidt: can the s3c fb also render in landscape? |
| 08:53.10 | stefan_schmidt | We think about chvt, fbioctl, sysfs echo and then starting mplayer. Afterwards just the same backwards |
| 08:53.33 | XorA | stefan_schmidt: mplayer can happilly change modes on its own |
| 08:53.33 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: You mean with kernel driver support? |
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| 08:53.39 | jeddy3 | stefan_schmidt, mickey-tw, ah nice |
| 08:53.44 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: We just use -vf rotate=1 |
| 08:53.48 | jeddy3 | stefan_schmidt, good work anyway! |
| 08:54.02 | stefan_schmidt | jeddy3: Could be nicer, but best we will get for GTA01 I guess. |
| 08:54.08 | XorA | stefan_schmidt: ouch that loses a lot of performance, if you can rotate the framebuffer in hardware its a lot better |
| 08:54.08 | stefan_schmidt | jeddy3: thanks |
| 08:54.20 | CIA-29 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3239 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-appearance/ (6 files in 2 dirs): |
| 08:54.20 | CIA-29 | openmoko: * Makefile.am: |
| 08:54.20 | CIA-29 | openmoko: * configure.ac: |
| 08:54.20 | CIA-29 | openmoko: * data/Makefile.am: |
| 08:54.20 | CIA-29 | openmoko: * data/openmoko-appearance.desktop: |
| 08:54.22 | CIA-29 | openmoko: Add .desktop file |
| 08:54.34 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: For sure, but I doubt s3c can do this |
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| 08:54.52 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: It's not PXA. Sane hardware but less features, you know. :) |
| 08:55.04 | XorA | stefan_schmidt: pxa cant either :-( |
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| 08:55.11 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: oh |
| 08:55.25 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: Right overlay was the nice thing it has |
| 08:55.25 | XorA | stefan_schmidt: the c7x0 zaurus have w100 chip that does and its sweet |
| 08:55.45 | XorA | jeddy3: already done by me |
| 08:55.51 | alphaone | jeddy3: go right ahead :-) |
| 08:56.00 | jeddy3 | XorA, on wiki? |
| 08:56.03 | stefan_schmidt | jeddy3: That would be great. I have *no* idea how to use mencoder |
| 08:56.04 | XorA | same options as my zaurus rotate and scale scipts |
| 08:56.05 | stefan_schmidt | mencoder |
| 08:56.14 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: link |
| 08:56.15 | stefan_schmidt | ? |
| 08:56.25 | jeddy3 | stefan_schmidt, me neither :) |
| 08:56.28 | XorA | mencoder "$INFILE" $COMMANDLINE -ovc lavc \ |
| 08:56.28 | XorA | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:56.28 | XorA | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:56.28 | XorA | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:56.28 | XorA | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:56.29 | XorA | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:56.42 | jeddy3 | alphaone, if i knew how to use mencoder, i would ;) |
| 08:57.09 | XorA | possibly need to change -ofps for neo right down to 15fps |
| 08:57.22 | XorA | with LCD retention you hardly notice slow fps anyway |
| 08:58.20 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: That should give some nice speedups |
| 08:58.39 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: Just sad that we can't just throw videos on it and it will just work. |
| 08:58.41 | XorA | stefan_schmidt: I originally started on 200Mhz strongarm so that approx to neo |
| 08:58.55 | XorA | stefan_schmidt: what do you think this is a windows mobile :-D |
| 08:59.29 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: What is this? Never heard of it. ;) |
| 08:59.54 | XorA | stefan_schmidt: seriously though, 200Mhz OMAP on my HTC Wizard plays pretty much anything thrown at it |
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| 09:00.13 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: No need to preconvert? |
| 09:00.18 | mickey-tw | yes, the OMAPs are good in that regard |
| 09:00.23 | XorA | stefan_schmidt: not for VGA sized stuff |
| 09:00.34 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: wow, ok |
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| 09:00.42 | XorA | OMAP seemed to have packed a lot of punch into a little speed |
| 09:00.48 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: Time for faster SoCs |
| 09:00.50 | stefan_schmidt | :) |
| 09:01.07 | XorA | OpenMoko on OMAP :-D |
| 09:01.15 | mickey-tw | who knows... *g* |
| 09:02.17 | CM | tangray-nick: Are you on 64 bit? If so, look at http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2928 |
| 09:02.49 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: We just throw Harald on them until they upon up everything. ;) |
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| 09:03.46 | XorA | CM: 2928 is fixed |
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| 09:05.23 | tangray-nick | No I am not on 64 bit, had already seen that . but its the same binutils-cross_2.18 build that fails |
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| 09:08.28 | tangray-nick | CM: by the way I suspect its something to do with my bild libraries on Ubuntu 7.02, even through I did all the updates |
| 09:09.43 | tangray-nick | Without starting a war can anyone suggest a preferred host distribution for developing with Openmoko ??? |
| 09:10.25 | thos | debian, ubuntu or fedora |
| 09:10.39 | thos | those are probably the most supported |
| 09:11.02 | tangray-nick | wel my problems are with Ubuntu 7.02 which I thought would be reasonable choice |
| 09:11.07 | XorA | tangray-nick: ubuntu fiesty or above, debian stable or above |
| 09:13.09 | tangray-nick | Sorry - I am running 7.04 feisty Fawn |
| 09:13.14 | hrw | tangray-nick: x86 and amd64 works |
| 09:13.41 | tangray-nick | I am using x86 |
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| 09:17.22 | hrw | tangray-nick: and you did not show error log yet |
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| 09:18.47 | tangray-nick | hrw: I posted error log at cellpaste http://celpaste.morb-design.com/pastebin.php?show=m629e55bd |
| 09:19.05 | tangray-nick | hrw: should I post it somewhere else ??? |
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| 09:43.16 | hrw | hm. it works for me |
| 09:43.22 | hrw | but I do not use mokomakefile |
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| 09:44.23 | tangray-nick | hrm: so you do "build from scratch" |
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| 09:46.25 | ljp | hoping for the best? |
| 09:46.46 | viq | Stephmw: don't run it too close, or you'll need a non-magnetic crowbar to pry it free ;P |
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| 09:46.53 | Stephmw | yup, hoping I can fuck it up some more |
| 09:47.13 | Stephmw | it's a dead drive, so I can't wipe it... and I don't have the right screwdrivers to open it |
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| 09:47.58 | viq | heh |
| 09:48.08 | XorA | tangray-nick: odd, sure your metadata is upto date? |
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| 09:52.59 | tangray-nick | XorA: how do I update my metadata ? |
| 09:53.33 | XorA | tangray-nick: mtn pull; mtn update |
| 09:58.29 | CM | XorA: I haven't had any problems building openmoko in quite a while now, so thanks :) |
| 09:59.10 | tangray-nick | XorA: when I do mtn pull I get a no database specified error ? |
| 09:59.22 | XorA | tangray-nick: then its time to read monotone manual |
| 09:59.37 | CM | tangray-nick: I think make update does a similar thing.. |
| 09:59.39 | XorA | or make update |
| 09:59.59 | tangray-nick | XorA well its probably my lack of linux experience - Ive set something up wrong somewhere! |
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| 10:00.31 | XorA | tangray-nick: well hopefully we can work it out so the next newbie who hits the problem gets a quicker solution |
| 10:00.53 | tangray-nick | Yes I will have to read the manuals and do a build from scratch. |
| 10:01.49 | tangray-nick | Well its fristrating to be a newbie with 25 years embedded experience, but there u r - I dont understand the toolchain yet. |
| 10:03.50 | tangray-nick | XorA: CM: I did go around the make update and clean loop 3 times like Rod suggests in his instructions so I know its not a simple download problem. |
| 10:04.07 | XorA | tangray-nick: ok, we ticked off the first box |
| 10:04.23 | XorA | tangray-nick: did you go through the OE and your distro? |
| 10:05.09 | XorA | tangray-nick: http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OEandYourDistro maybe you miss something essential |
| 10:05.11 | tangray-nick | yes I installed and checked all the OE suggestions for Ubuntu |
| 10:05.48 | tangray-nick | But I will go down the OE build from scratch route tonight and look at things in detail |
| 10:06.16 | XorA | tangray-nick: hmm. puzzled now then |
| 10:06.38 | tangray-nick | XorA:CM:hrw: thanks for your help I will report back tomorrow after I have checked the build from scratch route |
| 10:08.00 | XorA | tangray-nick: cheers |
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| 10:10.59 | CIA-29 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3240 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine/ (ChangeLog data/gtkrc): * data/gtkrc: Button style tweaks |
| 10:11.13 | thos | don't you hate it when you find uncomitted stuff in your local repository |
| 10:13.28 | alphaone | heh |
| 10:13.55 | florian | good morning |
| 10:14.06 | ewon | this is why you do your acceptance tests on a fresh checkout :) |
| 10:14.07 | pvanhoof | morning florian |
| 10:14.32 | ewon | or use something like clearcase(tm), that enforces checking out a file before you can work on it |
| 10:14.50 | ewon | unfortunately clearcase has the side-effect of making you want to pull your own arm off and beat yourself to death with it |
| 10:15.04 | pvanhoof | Voluntary using Clearcase? |
| 10:15.06 | pvanhoof | Wow |
| 10:15.10 | ewon | heh :) |
| 10:15.18 | Stephmw | clearcase is ok... if you have a good team of clearcase engineers to maintain it :) |
| 10:15.28 | Stephmw | and lots of Perl-fu |
| 10:15.35 | ewon | yeah, we had 2 dedicated sysadmins whose only jobs was stopping clearcase falling over |
| 10:16.40 | jeddy3 | hmm, is there any cached ipkg-packages or something i can clean in neo, i have no space left now when ipkg upgrading |
| 10:17.29 | _diego_ | thos, yes but i can only blame myself ^^ |
| 10:17.38 | thos | _diego_: :-P |
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| 10:27.02 | vciaglia | hello, by "ipkg update && ipkg upgrade" i automatically upgrade to the latest devel image? |
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| 10:53.57 | CIA-29 | openmoko: 03chris * r3241 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-worldclock2/ (11 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 10:53.57 | CIA-29 | openmoko: * AUTHORS: |
| 10:53.57 | CIA-29 | openmoko: * Makefile.am: |
| 10:53.57 | CIA-29 | openmoko: * autogen.sh: |
| 10:53.57 | CIA-29 | openmoko: * configure.ac: |
| 10:53.59 | CIA-29 | openmoko: * src/Makefile.am: |
| 10:54.01 | CIA-29 | openmoko: * src/worldclock-main.c: |
| 10:56.57 | mickey-tw | aah :D |
| 10:57.27 | mickey-tw | vciaglia: yes, however once and then there may be packaging changes that require manual intervention |
| 10:59.59 | abraxa_ | Woot, a clock! |
| 11:01.19 | mickey-tw | ya |
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| 11:03.53 | CM | I guess it's the one posted in his blog |
| 11:03.59 | CM | Looks really nice |
| 11:04.29 | abraxa_ | mickey-tw: Did you have a look at gstreamer's nice video stills or did you focus on other things instead? |
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| 11:05.40 | abraxa_ | CM: Blog? |
| 11:05.48 | mickey-tw | abraxa_: no chance yet, stuck in a meeeeeeeeeeeting |
| 11:06.02 | zecke | hehe |
| 11:06.12 | abraxa_ | mickey-tw: Ohhh, those evil things... hang in there, you'll be free soon ;) |
| 11:07.39 | CM | abraxa_: Na.. Looks like a simple clock in that commit |
| 11:07.51 | CM | abraxa_: The one I was thinking of is http://chrislord.net/blog/Software/Dates/libjana-knows-when-you-sleep.enlighten |
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| 11:09.05 | pvanhoof | mickey-tw, how was the weekend in tw? :) |
| 11:09.11 | abraxa_ | CM: Looks nice indeed and could be quite the looker with some nice interface |
| 11:09.53 | CM | abraxa_: Exactly, and as the comments say, would be a nice way to select timezone |
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| 11:15.52 | kdean06 | Nice topic. :) |
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| 11:20.31 | mickey-tw | pvanhoof: not bad. nice weather. |
| 11:20.59 | mickey-tw | abraxa_: can you give me a RDEPENDS line (including video dependencies) for the latest mediaplayer and i´ll test video :) |
| 11:21.26 | pvanhoof | mickey-tw, aha, so you're having a good time? :) |
| 11:21.35 | pvanhoof | Lucky for you |
| 11:21.39 | abraxa_ | mickey-tw: gst-plugin-mpeg2dec, mpeg2dec, gst-plugin-mpegstream, gst-plugin-videorate and gst-plugin-videoscale are the essentials if I remember correctly |
| 11:21.49 | stefan_schmidt | pvanhoof: We try to make it harder for him. ;) |
| 11:21.51 | abraxa_ | Have to run off to university again, so bbl |
| 11:22.01 | pvanhoof | stefan_schmidt, very good :) |
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| 11:22.34 | mickey-tw | cu abraxa_ |
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| 11:22.42 | mickey-tw | the unpleasant things have just begun... |
| 11:22.44 | mickey-tw | (meetings) |
| 11:23.37 | develnewbee|away | hello, is anybody here working on the qemu-emulation of neo-1973 ? |
| 11:23.53 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: an arcade center would be... |
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| 11:24.23 | CM | develnewbee|away: I'm not, but I've been unable to get qemu to run lately |
| 11:24.39 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: That's not a VC company. ;) |
| 11:24.48 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: They have nearly everything else. :) |
| 11:24.59 | CM | develnewbee|away: There has been a qemu target for a long time and it used to work ok, just a bit slow |
| 11:25.19 | mbuf | is there any way I can simplify this statement or is it ok to use strcpy? "if (strchr (rbuf, ' ')) { strcpy (rbuf, strchr (rbuf, ' ')); }" |
| 11:25.21 | ScaredyCat | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230183176982 |
| 11:25.36 | ScaredyCat | anyone wanna buy me a pressie :) |
| 11:26.08 | develnewbee|away | CM: well yeah thats true. When i put in my USB bt dongle the system becomes very slow. |
| 11:26.28 | jeddy3 | abraxa_, how does gstreamer video perform? |
| 11:26.43 | CM | develnewbee|away: Oh, never thought about that since I've always had my bt plug in |
| 11:27.00 | abraxa_ | jeddy3: Horrendous. gstreamer just isn't made with embedded platforms in mind |
| 11:27.12 | CM | Hehe |
| 11:29.30 | mickey-tw | hmm |
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| 11:29.31 | mickey-tw | well |
| 11:29.46 | mickey-tw | it's not really gstreamer`s fault |
| 11:29.51 | mickey-tw | gstreamer is the platform, the framework |
| 11:30.02 | mickey-tw | most plugins are the problem |
| 11:30.11 | mickey-tw | and the input/output formats they expect/put out |
| 11:30.12 | jeddy3 | abraxa_, nod, i had a feeling that would be the case :| |
| 11:30.39 | CM | And mpeg2-dec is in ugly or? :) |
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| 11:34.37 | mickey-tw | probably |
| 11:34.44 | mickey-tw | however i couldn´t get this to work at all |
| 11:34.45 | mickey-tw | heh |
| 11:35.32 | XorA | hmm, pity, lot of arm work went into libavcodec and some more due from the maemo guys if it didnt arrive yet |
| 11:36.14 | XorA | might save us space as well, as ffmpeg mp3 is supposed to be as good as mad on arm now |
| 11:37.42 | mickey-tw | well, perhaps it was just me |
| 11:37.45 | mickey-tw | need to give it a second try |
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| 11:44.08 | jeddy3 | is the ANYTHING on the rootfs i can clean?, i'm out of space :| |
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| 11:44.29 | quickdev | Hello |
| 11:44.36 | SpeedEvil | ls -l /usr/bin|sort -nk5 |
| 11:45.04 | mickey-tw | jeddy3: remove webkit, it is huge |
| 11:45.08 | jeddy3 | SpeedEvil, nice :) |
| 11:46.36 | ixs | SpeedEvil: ls -lrS /usr/bin |
| 11:46.57 | jeddy3 | mickey-tw, i still wan't all the packages in default distribution...but scummvw was quite large |
| 11:47.07 | mickey-tw | hehe |
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| 11:52.21 | pvanhoof | mickey-tw, I'm planning to make webkit the default HTML component for message-viewers, how large is webkit on the device? |
| 11:52.57 | pvanhoof | And are there plans to replace it with another html component? If so, which one (certain specific things are needed, and for example Gecko currently doesn't cope with those needs) |
| 11:53.08 | mickey-tw | webkit wil be it |
| 11:53.14 | pvanhoof | ok |
| 11:53.16 | mickey-tw | 7mb now, but will probably be 5 eventually |
| 11:53.21 | pvanhoof | Okay |
| 11:53.32 | mickey-tw | and we already ship it for feedreader and web browser |
| 11:53.34 | pvanhoof | alp and me have some neat ideas to cope with the requirements that we'll need |
| 11:53.38 | mickey-tw | cool |
| 11:54.02 | pvanhoof | Specifically inline attached images of HTML emails, making sure it doesn't download something unless specifically asked to, etc etc) |
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| 11:55.13 | alp | pvanhoof: i found some precedent for this kind of API in the objc webkit interfaces. this is pretty good news, and suggests that they're doing similar stuff in their own applications as you wanted |
| 11:55.46 | alp | and following this weekend's hacking, the browser is starting to get pretty hot, i would check it out ;-) |
| 11:55.48 | pvanhoof | nice |
| 11:56.14 | pvanhoof | I'll cool it down before holding it in my hands then |
| 11:57.05 | pvanhoof | alp, is the GObject-based api ready ? |
| 11:57.08 | alp | if you know anyone with curl/http experience, the most critical issue by far right now is to fix the http backend of the port |
| 11:57.31 | pvanhoof | I would love to inherit my TnyGtkWebkitMimePartView from a GtkWebkit type |
| 11:57.38 | alp | if noone else does it, i will have to, but my time is much better spent working on rendering |
| 11:57.44 | pvanhoof | ok |
| 11:57.56 | pvanhoof | curl/http.. hmm |
| 11:58.37 | alp | the public api needs attention too, the quality has fallen behind the rest of the port |
| 11:58.55 | pvanhoof | Is webkit zoomable btw? |
| 11:58.59 | pvanhoof | That would be a requirement for modest |
| 11:59.27 | Robot101 | that's something we were working on but gw280 has returned to university and doesn't have much time to work on it atm |
| 11:59.34 | alp | gw280 was meant to be doing zooming, dunno what the status is |
| 11:59.40 | pvanhoof | ok |
| 11:59.52 | Robot101 | working but incorrectly architected atm, I think was the result |
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| 11:59.58 | Robot101 | hopefully we can pick it back up soon |
| 11:59.59 | pvanhoof | So, modest will probably ship with gtkhtml, but I know Igalia has prepared a Gecko based one too |
| 12:00.11 | pvanhoof | the problem with gecko is of course the inline images |
| 12:00.30 | gw280 | pvanhoof: webkit bug #14998 |
| 12:00.42 | pvanhoof | I'll bookmark it |
| 12:00.55 | mickey-tw | gstreamer: don't know how to handle video/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)1 |
| 12:01.05 | mickey-tw | which decoder / demuxer do i need here? |
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| 12:01.18 | alp | gw280: why are you changing the wx port in that patch? |
| 12:01.37 | gw280 | I am? |
| 12:01.55 | alp | gw280: commented out code will also lead to a rejection |
| 12:02.26 | gw280 | hm, fuck knows |
| 12:02.52 | gw280 | right |
| 12:03.20 | alp | gw280: watch the whitespace/formatting on cairo_matrix_transform_distance() |
| 12:04.01 | gw280 | nrargh |
| 12:05.13 | alp | gw280: the clip() changes look like they will break non-trivial rendering |
| 12:05.29 | gw280 | in what way? |
| 12:05.29 | alp | have you done a visual inspection against the test suite? |
| 12:05.35 | gw280 | no |
| 12:05.37 | alp | sorry, let's take this to #webkit-gtk |
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| 12:52.19 | jeddy3 | whats the deal with neo1973 and fic-gta01 image directories on buildhost? which one is preffered? |
| 12:52.49 | fugazy | Hi all |
| 12:55.33 | gamin | am looking to replace the earbuds with something of higher quaility. any suggestions? |
| 12:56.16 | fugazy | does any one have trouble going to uboot shell using cu or minicom ? |
| 12:56.42 | gamin | what is your trouble then? |
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| 12:59.10 | fugazy | well i have 2 kinds of pb: |
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| 13:00.44 | fugazy | first it is really rare that i get the prompt, i will say i only got it 2 times after playing withe the debug board in serial mode. (and this only under windows because /dev/ttyUSB0 nevers shows up under linux) |
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| 13:01.54 | Sup3rkiddo | hey, all a question regarding the libgsmd library, is a passthrough message handler mandatory in applications using libgsmd?, |
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| 13:02.42 | fugazy | then i managed to have it work with minicom (11520 8N1 on /dev/ttyACM0) for a few times, then again no more prompt (in order i boot into uboot, set console to USB, plus the usb cable) |
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| 13:05.38 | gamin | similar problem here, I have to type blind and then again set console to usb which make magically appear and execute what I typed before. Works always. |
| 13:06.24 | gamin | am using cu, serial console and /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 13:07.41 | gamin | the new click sound is to loud... |
| 13:08.46 | fugazy | i still have a stock u-boot (U-Boot 1.2.0-moko9_r8_70124c2602ae2d4c5d3dba05b482d91548242de8_0_2040). i could update to the one i built (u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+gitf34024d4a328e6edd906456da98d2c537155c4f7+svn2943-r1.bin) but it seems to still be version 1.2.0 so i'm not sure it will help |
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| 13:09.16 | fugazy | gamin: so you first type blind, then set console tu USB then it works ? |
| 13:09.17 | gamin | I still have a stock boot too. |
| 13:10.05 | gamin | yes. and I start with serial. no sure if that is correct, but ttyACM0 should be serial |
| 13:10.43 | zedstar | hi....anyone built a xephyr based rootfs image using mokomakefile? or more specifically how do i disable building u-boot, kernel during the process? |
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| 13:12.02 | gamin | btw, got five hours of mp3 playing on battery |
| 13:13.34 | gamin | with backlight off. more should be possible - madplay uses only 20% cpu |
| 13:15.00 | fugazy | well i tried : power off + unplug + boot into U-boot + set to serial + plug + chown uucp.uucp /dev/ttyACM0 + cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 + blind 'printenv' + ser console to USB + blind printenv -> nothing... |
| 13:15.43 | CM | jeddy3: neo1973 is the new one |
| 13:15.53 | CM | jeddy3: Since both gta01 and 02 are still neos :) |
| 13:16.04 | gamin | fugazy: hmm, that works here |
| 13:16.51 | gamin | fugazy: actually i don't do your printenv, but just the nand erase rootfs |
| 13:17.31 | fugazy | gamin: do you have any feedback (prompt) or it just work ? |
| 13:18.07 | gamin | fugazy: usually i get the prompt "GTA01Bv4 #" |
| 13:20.08 | fugazy | luckily i have a debug board but it is a pain to disassemble the neo each time i have to flash a new rootfs |
| 13:20.58 | abraxa_ | mickey|away: Did you install mpeg2dec and gst-plugin-mpeg2dec? |
| 13:21.59 | abraxa_ | jeddy3: neo1973 is the newer (generic) image - it didn't make sense to separate between fic-gta01 and fic-gta02 so it was merged as neo1973 |
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| 13:22.45 | XorA | abraxa_: I was positing earlier that you might have better performace with gst-plugin-ffmpeg for video |
| 13:23.07 | XorA | abraxa_: arm optimisations have gone into ffmpeg recently and more are going in |
| 13:23.16 | abraxa_ | XorA: I did try with ffmpeg but I just couldn't get it to process the video/mpeg type |
| 13:23.29 | abraxa_ | So I gave up and just went with mpeg2dec |
| 13:23.47 | XorA | abraxa_: fair enough, every time I look at gstreamer the huge nasty messiness scares me |
| 13:24.28 | abraxa_ | Yeah, especially since you don't get told what plugin *would* provide handling of the un-handled type |
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| 13:25.01 | gamin | is there a place under /proc or /sys where the battery state is available? |
| 13:25.09 | abraxa_ | Yes :) |
| 13:25.11 | XorA | I think its gstreamer that keeps mplayer in business |
| 13:25.21 | SpeedEvil | find /sys -name "*volt" |
| 13:25.52 | abraxa_ | XorA: I just wish mplayer weren't one big monolithic block |
| 13:26.22 | XorA | abraxa_: so do lots of people, but no-one dares to break it :-) |
| 13:26.30 | abraxa_ | For obvious reasons ;) |
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| 13:36.04 | gamin | SpeedEvil: actually I'm looking for the current. my old ipaq with a 2.4 kernel has /proc/asic/battery which tells "Active Current", "Accumulated Current" etc. |
| 13:36.15 | SpeedEvil | the same directory |
| 13:36.29 | SpeedEvil | *curr* |
| 13:36.31 | SpeedEvil | batcurr? |
| 13:36.38 | SpeedEvil | It only works for discharge current |
| 13:36.45 | SpeedEvil | when off charger |
| 13:36.58 | SpeedEvil | reportedly there are newer kernels which also give charge current |
| 13:37.33 | SpeedEvil | And it's not in milliamps |
| 13:37.36 | gamin | SpeedEvil: find /sys -name '*curr*' results in "/sys/devices/system/clocksource/clocksource0/current_clocksource" |
| 13:37.42 | SpeedEvil | no |
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| 13:38.29 | SpeedEvil | chgcur |
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| 13:42.36 | jeddy3 | cm, abraxa_, ok...two more things then? what is the difference between devel and ordinary image, and difference between uImage-fic-gta01 and uImage-neo1973? |
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| 13:44.12 | gamin | SpeedEvil: so I have 533 when backlight on, 266 when backlight dimmed and 240 when backlight off |
| 13:44.28 | gamin | SpeedEvil: I guess it is mA ? |
| 13:44.50 | SpeedEvil | No. |
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| 13:45.05 | SpeedEvil | Also - read it a few times in sequence. It's _horribly_ noisy |
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| 13:46.09 | kristian-m | hmm that would mean the display backlight draws 50% of the power... |
| 13:46.10 | cjb_ie | i guess the backlight power is PWM |
| 13:46.22 | SpeedEvil | cjb_ie: yes - but that's not the reason. |
| 13:47.05 | gamin | ewww, veeery noisy: with backlight between 260 and 560... |
| 13:47.27 | SpeedEvil | It works OK if you average a few dozen points |
| 13:48.18 | gamin | SpeedEvil: but it is not mA? just some relative unit? |
| 13:48.23 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 13:48.40 | SpeedEvil | I'm sorry, I can't find my notes as to what the unit is. |
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| 13:50.17 | SpeedEvil | I think it was about 2*current in mA |
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| 13:51.16 | CM | jeddy3: I only have devel builds |
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| 13:54.59 | jeddy3 | cm ok |
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| 14:03.40 | tholin | there used to be a release date estimate on a wiki before the batch 1 release pasted here all the time. Are there any similar page with up to date news about development? |
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| 14:04.00 | SpeedEvil | Latest estimate is december. |
| 14:05.26 | tholin | That isn't what I wanted to know. I want something like dot.kde.org for openmoko development. |
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| 14:07.19 | CVirus | is the December release date official ? |
| 14:07.30 | CM | CVirus: No, not yet |
| 14:07.42 | CVirus | CM: who came up with it then ? |
| 14:07.44 | CM | But after this week we'll probabl get to know more |
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| 14:08.08 | CM | CVirus: mickeyl, but that's still just an estimate and nothing official |
| 14:08.21 | CVirus | CM: mickey works for FIC ? |
| 14:08.47 | CM | CVirus: Yes, for sure :D |
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| 14:09.02 | CM | CVirus: Or Rather I'd say he works for OpenMoko |
| 14:09.12 | CVirus | CM: so why there's no official release date yet ? |
| 14:09.22 | offray_ | Hi. I´m trying to configure the sound on openmoko. Last but running: "alsactl -f /etc/alsa/gsmhandset.state restore" gives me: "alsactl: load_state:1327: No soundcards found...". Looking for the message on Internet I see some info related with kernel support, but none is related with Neo1973. Do you have any pointer to the solution? |
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| 14:09.52 | gamin | offray_: latest builds work out of the box |
| 14:09.54 | CM | CVirus: Because no one knows when the hw is ready |
| 14:10.17 | CVirus | CM: the hardware is ready on what means ? |
| 14:10.23 | CVirus | CM: you mean from the vendor side ? |
| 14:10.40 | CM | offray_: Look if the file is right in /etc/gsmhandset.state and not alsa |
| 14:11.04 | CM | CVirus: What do you mean vendor? I mean the factory that will produce the units |
| 14:11.47 | offray_ | gamin: may be my model is just a lot older. How can I know what is the actual version of the build? |
| 14:11.53 | CVirus | CM: the factory will produce every component of the unit ? I mean aren't there hardware vendors that supply FIC with the LCD's, wifi chipsets, ...etc ? |
| 14:11.55 | CM | There only exists about 10 GTA02 so far, mostly prototypes used by kernel devs |
| 14:12.23 | CVirus | CM: where is this factory ? |
| 14:12.36 | CM | CVirus: Mainland china |
| 14:12.50 | gamin | offray_: depends on what you have flashed - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko |
| 14:12.51 | CVirus | CM: is there anyway I could buy it directly from the factory when it's released ? |
| 14:12.54 | CM | CVirus: A FIC factory, and I guess they don't have all the GTA02 parts there yet |
| 14:13.07 | CVirus | CM: is the software ready ? |
| 14:13.17 | CM | CVirus: No, don't think you can buy directly |
| 14:13.26 | CM | And no, the software isn't |
| 14:13.48 | CVirus | CM: how can the community help getting the software ready ? |
| 14:13.54 | CM | It will run the same software as GTA01, but with some kernel and uboot updates as far as I know |
| 14:14.28 | CM | CVirus: By sending in patches and making good bug reports, filling in the wiki or anything. There's a lot to do. :) |
| 14:15.01 | CVirus | CM: so which part of the official software that will be shipped with the device needs help ? |
| 14:15.39 | jeddy3 | CVirus, all parts :) |
| 14:15.55 | CM | CVirus: Well, think things are improving quite fast now, but as jeddy3 said, all parts.. |
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| 14:16.23 | offray_ | gamin: I don't have the debug board. Is fine to flash the unit in that case? |
| 14:16.33 | jeddy3 | indeed, things are getting better, but everything can always improve :) |
| 14:16.34 | CVirus | http://projects.openmoko.org/ ... all of this will be shipped with the device ? |
| 14:16.55 | CM | CVirus: I'd be happy if the gsmd got a bit more stable and the dbus interface to it was done, and if the lawyers were done with their nda's so that mickeyl can release the chroot with oabi gllin driver for the GPS |
| 14:17.30 | CVirus | hmm .. I know python |
| 14:17.32 | CVirus | :-) |
| 14:17.34 | CM | CVirus: I doubt all, but maybe some |
| 14:17.52 | CVirus | hmm |
| 14:18.03 | CVirus | I really want to help |
| 14:18.12 | CVirus | I guess I'll spare sometime writing python code |
| 14:18.44 | jeddy3 | CVirus, projects.openmoko.org are just a collection of user projects concerning openmoko, not all is going to be included, maybe some will |
| 14:18.51 | CM | Just start looking around if you see something you find interesting |
| 14:19.02 | CM | Or take a look at the wishlist in the wiki |
| 14:19.08 | CVirus | CM: I really want to help with the stuff that will be shipped officially |
| 14:19.30 | CM | Hmm.. Maybe look through bugzilla then and send in patches |
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| 14:19.57 | CVirus | if there's python related stuff over there ... I'd be more than happy to help |
| 14:20.31 | jeddy3 | there are other areas but coding that could use help also, documenting, graphics, bug reporting, anything will be appreciated |
| 14:20.50 | CVirus | jeddy3: I don't have a GTA01 :-( |
| 14:20.52 | CVirus | can't report bugs |
| 14:21.03 | CVirus | maybe I'll run OpenMoko under vmware or sumthing |
| 14:21.06 | rwhitby | sure you can - use the emulator. |
| 14:21.07 | CM | You can run qemu |
| 14:21.10 | CVirus | but is this reliable for bug reports ? |
| 14:21.14 | jeddy3 | CVirus, just a suggestion mate :) |
| 14:21.24 | CVirus | jeddy3: cheers :-) |
| 14:21.28 | faern | CVirus, I am compiling it with the emulator right now |
| 14:21.34 | CVirus | cool |
| 14:22.01 | CVirus | will the GTA02 be available in stores ? |
| 14:22.06 | CVirus | or I can only order it online ? |
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| 14:22.27 | sladen | CVirus: online |
| 14:22.51 | CVirus | sladen: how will the shipping be handled ? |
| 14:22.58 | mbuf | how to run the sudoku.py ? from the omsudoku project? |
| 14:23.03 | CVirus | damn .. I'm asking too much questions |
| 14:23.12 | jeddy3 | :D |
| 14:23.12 | CVirus | mbuf: python sudoku.py |
| 14:23.21 | CVirus | jeddy3: I really can't wait any longer |
| 14:23.22 | sladen | CVirus: not working for FIC, I would presume identically to at the moment |
| 14:23.25 | CM | CVirus: THe GTA01 was ups |
| 14:23.29 | CVirus | jeddy3: I lost my nokia mobile phone recently |
| 14:23.30 | mbuf | CVirus, it says working... and then what should be displayed? |
| 14:23.48 | CVirus | mbuf: no idea ... maybe it's not complete yet |
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| 14:24.24 | mbuf | CVirus, ok |
| 14:24.41 | offray_ | I lost my connection with openmoko. Now trying to ssh or ping to it doesn't work. Need I to restart the machine? |
| 14:25.01 | jeddy3 | offray_, are you using powersave features? |
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| 14:25.39 | jeddy3 | offray_, because those disable networking when sleeping |
| 14:27.10 | faern | I have read that the battery performance is really bad right now. how long is the battery expected to last in the consumer version under "normal" usage? |
| 14:29.27 | jeddy3 | faern, yes it's bad right now :) ...I don't know if we have a really accurate suggestion to how long it would last, but it WILL be a lot better, right now the powersaving is kind of crude |
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| 14:30.11 | faern | ok good. that's a really important topic I think |
| 14:30.32 | jeddy3 | faern, it sure is |
| 14:32.46 | CVirus | so mickey is a core developer for sure ? |
| 14:32.56 | jeddy3 | faern, things are improving though, first weeks with moko, it would last a couple of hours tops if i removed it from computer...now it can survive some playing on the way home PLUS a whole night without power :D |
| 14:33.26 | CM | CVirus: He, Harald Welte and Sean are probably the first ones on the project |
| 14:33.34 | unknown_lamer | oh yay overnight! |
| 14:33.38 | unknown_lamer | now it matches my ancient 7610 |
| 14:34.02 | CVirus | CM: if only FIC would hire more people so that I get my Neo1973 quickly :-p |
| 14:34.10 | faern | wooho jeddy3. great improvement. that many percent longer and it will last a week :P |
| 14:34.45 | CM | CVirus: Hehe.. I think they have hired quite a few guys these last few weeks, so the pace is going up :) |
| 14:35.00 | CVirus | CM: hopefully |
| 14:35.05 | CVirus | CM: thanks for all the info really |
| 14:35.38 | CM | CVirus: NP, it's nice that there's so many who are interested in the project |
| 14:35.53 | faern | speaking about dev speed. I have heard many different dates. any idea on when the next release will be? |
| 14:36.06 | CVirus | faern: /topic |
| 14:36.07 | CM | faern: You mean official rootfs release? |
| 14:36.16 | CM | Or GTA02 hardware? |
| 14:36.52 | faern | CM, this time I meant the consumer version of phone :P |
| 14:37.26 | CM | I'm guessing that's 6 months away or so, if the software gets good enough in that time |
| 14:37.58 | CVirus | consumer version ? 6 months ? |
| 14:38.15 | CVirus | isn't the GTA02 the consumer version ? |
| 14:38.46 | CM | CVirus: Yes, hardware wise. But the software will not be ready by then for public release to everyone |
| 14:38.47 | mjr | GTA02 is the consumer hardware indeed. |
| 14:38.54 | mjr | yeah, what CM said |
| 14:39.02 | CVirus | CM: I understand |
| 14:39.46 | CVirus | CM: open source software has never been ready as a product ... open source is about research and development |
| 14:40.13 | CM | CVirus: Well.. It can surely be protuctized |
| 14:40.44 | CVirus | products kill the software I guess |
| 14:40.50 | CVirus | I dunno |
| 14:41.03 | CVirus | errr ... I want my Neo1973 |
| 14:41.04 | CVirus | :-p |
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| 14:42.04 | CVirus | grrr |
| 14:42.22 | CVirus | anyways ... why there are 2 accelerometers in the device ? |
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| 14:42.44 | rwhitby | CVirus: did you order one when GTA01 was announced? |
| 14:42.53 | CVirus | rwhitby: nope |
| 14:43.04 | CVirus | rwhitby: I want wifi :-( |
| 14:43.22 | rwhitby | guess you're gonna need to be patient then ... |
| 14:43.34 | CVirus | rwhitby: I'm patient already ... I was just kidding |
| 14:43.52 | CM | CVirus: I guess so you have two directions to sense acceleration in |
| 14:43.53 | CVirus | rwhitby: I've been waiting for 6 months :-) |
| 14:43.55 | faern | mee 2. going to start developing already thou |
| 14:44.07 | CVirus | faern: what are you going to do ? |
| 14:44.11 | rwhitby | CVirus: and yet you haven't run the emulator yet? |
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| 14:44.37 | CVirus | rwhitby: I didn't have time to contribute |
| 14:44.46 | faern | CVirus, dunno exactly. will look through the wishlists |
| 14:45.09 | CVirus | faern: what languages do you know ? |
| 14:45.27 | faern | CVirus, c/c++, java & python |
| 14:45.43 | CVirus | faern: if you're gonna do any python stuff please tell me :-) |
| 14:45.55 | faern | CVirus, sure will |
| 14:45.58 | CVirus | LOL @ cm |
| 14:46.37 | faern | will there be a java jre on it? :P |
| 14:46.41 | CVirus | faern: no seriously ... I didn't have time and I'm good at nuthing but little python knowledge |
| 14:47.00 | ewon | heh |
| 14:47.07 | ewon | dealing with an unname console devkit here |
| 14:47.26 | ewon | if I update from firmware level (n-1) to firmware n, it's fine |
| 14:47.26 | faern | CVirus, why tell me? I didn't question your dedication :P |
| 14:47.33 | ewon | if I update from (n-2) to n, it bricks |
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| 14:47.46 | PBeck | hi |
| 14:47.50 | faern | hi |
| 14:47.53 | CVirus | err .. I mean CM |
| 14:47.55 | CVirus | faern: sorry |
| 14:48.00 | faern | np :P |
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| 14:48.31 | CVirus | is the GTA02v4 even out ? |
| 14:48.37 | CVirus | to the devs I mean |
| 14:50.10 | faern | the make openmoko-devel-image command takes ages. how can a phone os be so big? :O |
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| 14:53.16 | jeddy3 | faern, heh, remember that it's not only compiling every single tool, but also everything needed for compiling |
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| 14:54.30 | faern | yeah thats true. downloading glibc and all.. guess I cant start test it untill tomorrow :/ |
| 14:54.55 | CM | CVirus: I wasn't questioning your dedication, merely admitting my own reason for not contributing more :) |
| 14:55.08 | jeddy3 | faern, you just started? :D, forget about playing with it today =) |
| 14:55.27 | CVirus | CM: cheers :-D |
| 14:55.45 | faern | jeddy3, started half an hour ago. on a P4@3GHz :P |
| 14:55.49 | CM | faern: About java, yes, people are working on it |
| 14:56.07 | jeddy3 | heading home now, later |
| 14:56.12 | faern | CM, nice |
| 14:57.24 | CM | faern: On that comp you have another 10h to go or so for a full build with the makefile.. |
| 14:59.12 | faern | cm and now it crashed saying something about qemu-native_20070613.bb' failed |
| 14:59.52 | CM | Oh, that's very old. Have you updated everything? |
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| 15:02.51 | faern | CM, I just ran make setup |
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| 15:11.11 | mickey-tw | ~praise abraxa_ for video support |
| 15:11.12 | apt | All hail abraxa_ for video support! |
| 15:11.32 | SpeedEvil | He's made QVGA mode work? |
| 15:12.17 | mickey-tw | no, he added preliminary video support to openmoko-mediaplayer2 (proof-of-concept) |
| 15:12.21 | SpeedEvil | Ah |
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| 15:18.58 | faern | shouldn't I compile the image to emulate with gcc 3? When running make update with it I get an error about gcc 3 :( |
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| 15:34.35 | bedboi | hi there |
| 15:34.50 | bedboi | any news so far? |
| 15:35.00 | bedboi | gsmd news |
| 15:35.09 | bedboi | or power management |
| 15:35.44 | SpeedEvil | Not really. |
| 15:35.58 | SpeedEvil | Latest images seem to be - when they work - working. |
| 15:39.08 | abraxa_ | hehe mickey |
| 15:40.07 | abraxa_ | I wanna get ffmpeg to work before trying out mplayer but... wow, the ffmpeg plugin is such a mess |
| 15:40.50 | CM | faern: Do you have gcc installed? |
| 15:41.26 | faern | CM, yes. 4 & 3 |
| 15:41.32 | CM | What distro? |
| 15:41.35 | faern | gentoo |
| 15:41.43 | CM | Ah, then you hit the same problem as I did |
| 15:42.36 | CM | faern: ln -l <path to your gcc-3.4.6> /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 |
| 15:43.13 | CM | faern: Gentoo only makes a gcc-3.4.6 softlink in /usr/bin, and qemu looks for gcc-3 and gcc-3.4 |
| 15:43.38 | faern | aa. that can be it |
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| 15:56.54 | nelson | "CDC Ethernet"? Did somebody pick up an Ethernet prefix for cheap? |
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| 15:57.34 | Stephmw | "Communications Device Class" |
| 15:57.37 | Stephmw | go figure |
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| 15:59.35 | nelson | So, my branny-new Neo1973 won't boot. |
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| 15:59.44 | nelson | Gives me a kernel panic. |
| 15:59.53 | gamin | how can I deactivate the click sound? |
| 15:59.54 | nelson | Presumably I must reflash. Fine enough. |
| 16:00.25 | SpeedEvil | nelson: it comes with no rootfs |
| 16:00.28 | nelson | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.29 | SpeedEvil | nelson: so panics |
| 16:00.42 | nelson | SpeedEvil: that would do it! |
| 16:00.50 | SpeedEvil | nelson: when did you order? |
| 16:01.58 | nelson | SpeedEvil: about a week ago |
| 16:02.26 | SpeedEvil | Nice. |
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| 16:03.30 | nelson | w00t. needs to be put into DFU mode; doesn't default to it. |
| 16:03.44 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 16:07.45 | nelson | Yes, Sunday the 14th. Went out Tuesday. Selected ground delivery, which took the majority of the time. |
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| 16:14.19 | CIA-29 | openmoko: 03chris * r3242 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 16:14.19 | CIA-29 | openmoko: * configure.ac: |
| 16:14.19 | CIA-29 | openmoko: * src/Makefile.am: |
| 16:14.19 | CIA-29 | openmoko: * src/today-main.c: (bg_expose_cb), (bg_size_allocate_cb), |
| 16:14.21 | CIA-29 | openmoko: (today_create_home_page), (wallpaper_notify), (main): |
| 16:14.23 | CIA-29 | openmoko: * src/today.h: |
| 16:14.25 | CIA-29 | openmoko: Add wallpaper support |
| 16:14.33 | Sup3rkiddo | cooool |
| 16:15.38 | mickey-tw | please make a scap |
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| 16:19.50 | Sup3rkiddo | whats a "scap"? |
| 16:20.01 | mickey-tw | hold aux button |
| 16:20.05 | mickey-tw | choose "screenshot" |
| 16:20.12 | mickey-tw | choose "upload to scap.linuxtogo.org" |
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| 16:20.47 | stefan_schmidt | And make sure you use a photo of your GF as wallpaper |
| 16:20.53 | Sup3rkiddo | mickey-tw, ah, ok :P, but i dont think i would be the first one to scap, the neo is in the university, will be going there on wednesday, maybe then :P |
| 16:21.21 | Sup3rkiddo | stefan_schmidt, bah, am still single, =( |
| 16:21.42 | mickey-tw | well, you're still young, right? :D |
| 16:21.43 | cjb_ie | Sup3rkiddo: life's simpler that way, trust me |
| 16:21.55 | Sup3rkiddo | mickey-tw, yeah 18, |
| 16:22.08 | Sup3rkiddo | cjb_ie, :P, i couldnt have said it better.. |
| 16:22.27 | stefan_schmidt | Time to impress the girls with your neo. ;) |
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| 16:22.56 | Sup3rkiddo | hehe, |
| 16:23.01 | CM | stefan_schmidt: hehe |
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| 16:25.16 | Sup3rkiddo | mickey-tw, hey, having a small doubt in libgsmd, message handlers gets called if and only if some event is completely successful? |
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| 16:27.37 | Sup3rkiddo | gah! |
| 16:28.04 | Sup3rkiddo | i still have my computer =D |
| 16:28.10 | stefan_schmidt | Sup3rkiddo: Keep cool. There are enough for anyone |
| 16:28.31 | Sup3rkiddo | righto, great one |
| 16:28.33 | stefan_schmidt | brags of course |
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| 16:30.11 | faern | CM, I get the exact same error now :/ |
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| 16:30.24 | faern | qemu-native_20070613.bb failed |
| 16:30.35 | stefan_schmidt | hi pH5 |
| 16:30.47 | stefan_schmidt | Just seen the TyTN II here in .tw |
| 16:30.49 | nelson | Hmmm.... boot is a little slow. |
| 16:31.01 | stefan_schmidt | pH5: Looks great, but it is really expensive |
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| 16:32.06 | CM | faern: Have you done a make update? |
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| 16:32.28 | mickey-tw | Sup3rkiddo: dunno, that would be a question for gsmd-devel |
| 16:32.52 | faern | CM, no I removed all the files and did a new make setup && make-devel-image |
| 16:33.03 | Sup3rkiddo | mickey-tw, hmm, ok thanks, thought you would know since you wrote libmokogsmd? |
| 16:33.06 | CM | Ah, but do a make update too |
| 16:33.23 | CM | You must be running something really old |
| 16:33.37 | CM | I just compiled and ran qemu, it's booting here at the moment |
| 16:33.46 | faern | CM, I followed this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#QEMU |
| 16:34.21 | CM | faern: Hmm.. Should mention there that you should update the environment too |
| 16:34.30 | Sup3rkiddo | CM, what distro, my flash.sh is borked |
| 16:34.34 | CM | faern: run the line lower down there; make update-makefile && make setup update openmoko-devel-image |
| 16:34.37 | mickey-tw | Sup3rkiddo: ya, but i didn't look that much into libgsmd |
| 16:34.40 | CM | Sup3rkiddo: Gentoo |
| 16:34.47 | CM | Sup3rkiddo: I needed to add dosfsutils |
| 16:35.00 | faern | CM, will try. thank you for the help |
| 16:35.11 | CM | Don't know why, but before they weren't needed. But the make qemu wanted mkdosfs |
| 16:35.12 | Sup3rkiddo | CM, hmm same here, did that, the script hangs and timeouts.. |
| 16:35.37 | CM | faern: No problem, hope you'll get it running soon too :) |
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| 16:36.12 | CM | Sup3rkiddo: Weird.. I just did a "make qemu" and it flashed ok |
| 16:36.44 | CM | Sup3rkiddo: Heh, but running it is going sloooooooowww.. Stick sucking 99% cpu after 4 minutes trying to boot |
| 16:36.55 | CM | s/Stick/Still/ |
| 16:36.58 | Sup3rkiddo | CM, hmm, i guess theres a bug report on that, |
| 16:37.10 | Sup3rkiddo | ..on the script that is, |
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| 16:39.10 | pH5 | hej stefan_schmidt. I'm curious, how well does the sliding/tilting display work? |
| 16:39.29 | faern | CM, no.. same error :/ should I run a make clean first? |
| 16:39.58 | faern | I don't have to have gcc-3.4.6 activated in gcc-config, right? |
| 16:40.11 | stefan_schmidt | pH5: Unfortunately I never touched it. Perhaps I can do it within the next week. We will see. |
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| 16:42.56 | CM | faern: No, shouldn't be needed to activate it ( I have 4.2.2) |
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| 16:44.03 | krLun | isn't Xorg a better alternative to X11? |
| 16:44.17 | faern | as the wiki said I downloaded http://www.rwhitby.net/files/openmoko/Makefile is that the newest one? or is that where the error is? |
| 16:44.52 | faern | krLun, Xorg is an implementation of the protocol X11 |
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| 16:45.07 | krLun | oh |
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| 16:45.25 | krLun | will i be able to connect a remote x.org desktop from my moko? |
| 16:45.36 | krLun | ie export my display to the moko |
| 16:45.39 | CM | faern: No, it's not there. I can't understand why it's trying to build something called qemu-native_20070613.bb |
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| 16:46.35 | CM | faern: For me it builds qemu-native_0.9.0+cvs.bb |
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| 16:47.31 | faern | I'm in qemu-native-0.9.0+cvs20070613-r5 when it happens so I have 0.9.0 too |
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| 16:49.42 | faern | unable to find a register to spill in class `GENERAL_REGS' is the error gcc gives me |
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| 16:50.57 | CM | faern: Hmm.. Sorry, can't figure out what it is. Just compiled it again with no problems at all |
| 16:51.22 | faern | :/ |
| 16:51.47 | CM | There are people here who know more than me though, just hope some of them come around when you're here :) |
| 16:51.56 | faern | is it openmoko-devel-image i should make? |
| 16:52.01 | pH5 | stefan_schmidt: 'we will see'? don't they let you out regularly? :) |
| 16:52.03 | CM | yes |
| 16:52.26 | mickey-tw | no way |
| 16:52.35 | mickey-tw | stefan_schmidt is locked into the MokoApartment |
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| 16:55.19 | stefan_schmidt | hey, nobody told me this. But no everything makes sense... |
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| 16:56.41 | stefan_schmidt | Philippe: There is a emergency pack to go down from the balcony. But I'm not I like to try it out in the 10th floor |
| 16:57.11 | Philippe | stefan_schmidt: Damn... I guess you will need some Cola and beer then to be out in time for Fosdem :-) |
| 16:57.36 | CM | Hmm.. qemu gives me a lot of s3c_mmci_write: Bad register 0x38 and it never gets past booting X |
| 16:57.47 | Sup3rkiddo | night all |
| 16:57.52 | CIA-29 | openmoko: 03chris * r3243 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (ChangeLog src/today-main.c): |
| 16:57.52 | CIA-29 | openmoko: * src/today-main.c: (today_create_home_page): |
| 16:57.52 | CIA-29 | openmoko: No need to connect_after on event box signals |
| 16:58.36 | stefan_schmidt | Philippe: :) |
| 16:59.45 | Philippe | time to do something about it. |
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| 17:00.38 | CM | Philippe: Something like a fullscreen mode? :) |
| 17:01.26 | Philippe | CM: yeah that was the main plan |
| 17:02.01 | mickey-tw | hmm ? |
| 17:02.12 | mickey-tw | what's wrong with "hold aux key -> fullscreen" ? |
| 17:02.12 | Philippe | Seems I need to rebuild Webkit first :( |
| 17:02.30 | mickey-tw | well, ok, you could check for fullscreen and then hide the tabs |
| 17:02.35 | mickey-tw | and the toolbar |
| 17:02.36 | mickey-tw | k |
| 17:02.45 | mickey-tw | so we don't have two fullscreen modes |
| 17:02.50 | mickey-tw | just check for the fullscreen X property |
| 17:03.10 | Philippe | mickey-tw: I'll fool around with it a bit. I kind of promised you I would help out on that |
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| 17:03.51 | mickey-tw | Philippe: right, i remember! :)) |
| 17:04.09 | mickey-tw | thinking about it... that would be slick |
| 17:04.21 | mickey-tw | adding more fullscreen-awareness into the apps |
| 17:04.58 | Philippe | anyway I noticed that people like some exit from fullscreen sign visually with touchscreens |
| 17:05.11 | mickey-tw | hmm |
| 17:05.13 | Philippe | pressing keys is counter-productive in some cases. |
| 17:05.16 | mickey-tw | that's tough |
| 17:05.24 | mickey-tw | perhaps a gesture |
| 17:05.31 | Stephmw | non-intuitive :( |
| 17:05.32 | mickey-tw | we should have gestures anyways |
| 17:05.49 | Philippe | for the gpe-mini-browser I just have a small icon. |
| 17:06.03 | CM | Hmm.. What about being able to define gestures as shortcuts? |
| 17:06.06 | mickey-tw | ya, well but that means you have to touch every other app |
| 17:06.14 | mickey-tw | whereas my fullscreen implementation works with every app per se |
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| 17:06.34 | Stephmw | what about something like the various fs media players on desktops? they display a minimal gui on mouse/kbd action |
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| 17:08.42 | buz | Stephmw: that's the only sensible interface for a video app, imho |
| 17:08.51 | buz | but for a browser? maybe not |
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| 17:10.03 | Philippe | buz on small screen you really need the extra screen estate |
| 17:10.24 | Philippe | for browsing. As most websites these days expect at least 800x600 screens |
| 17:10.30 | buz | thats true |
| 17:10.42 | buz | depends on how you make them appear i guess |
| 17:10.48 | buz | touch the edge, get the gui? |
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| 17:11.52 | Philippe | one or two small buttons in the upper right corner? |
| 17:12.13 | Philippe | at least a url button so you can keep surfing without having to hop in and out off fullscreen mode |
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| 17:12.41 | buz | well it shouldnt hop in and out all |
| 17:12.57 | Stephmw | this could really do with being mocked up in something like flash |
| 17:13.16 | buz | instead the gui shjould either slide in or maybe change from being transparent to entirely opaque |
| 17:13.27 | mickey-tw | err yes |
| 17:13.29 | mickey-tw | gta03 then |
| 17:13.30 | mickey-tw | :D |
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| 17:14.31 | buz | well slide in should be doable no? |
| 17:14.36 | Philippe | buz: gui sliding makes for lot of redraws. Transparency is hard on the CPU too... |
| 17:14.54 | SpeedEvil | On GTA02 - sliding should be free. |
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| 17:15.01 | CVirus | hehe |
| 17:15.02 | buz | popping makes for confusing user |
| 17:15.08 | SpeedEvil | Whole screen sliding on GTA01 can be almost free. |
| 17:15.20 | SpeedEvil | (virtual screens) |
| 17:15.48 | SpeedEvil | mickey-tw: can the GTA02 video hardware do virtual screens? Or is it limited to onboard only video RAM. |
| 17:16.25 | mickey-tw | SpeedEvil: i don't have the numbers offhand, but the video RAM is very small and all engines have to share it |
| 17:16.40 | buz | or make it sliding but with configurable number of redraws, if redraws is 1 it pops in immediately |
| 17:16.41 | mickey-tw | i don't think we have pxa27x style overlay either |
| 17:16.49 | SpeedEvil | mickey-tw: thought not - thanks. |
| 17:18.14 | mwester | Perhap the GTA03 will have a few more buttons, making so many things so much easier (IMO at least)! |
| 17:18.27 | mickey-tw | it will |
| 17:18.33 | buz | mwester: nokia got the formfactor almost right with the n810 |
| 17:18.33 | CIA-29 | openmoko: 03chris * r3244 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (ChangeLog src/today-main.c): |
| 17:18.33 | CIA-29 | openmoko: * src/today-main.c: (bg_size_allocate_cb): |
| 17:18.33 | CIA-29 | openmoko: Check the size against the last allocated size, or we can get into |
| 17:18.33 | CIA-29 | openmoko: semi-infinite loops |
| 17:18.55 | Philippe | a good place for a button to activate a full ui (or somerhing else) maybe something in the corner where the scrollbars meet |
| 17:19.08 | Philippe | we will lose that estate on most websites anyway |
| 17:19.36 | SpeedEvil | I've used firefox fullscreen, with MouseGestures |
| 17:19.38 | buz | no necessarily |
| 17:19.45 | SpeedEvil | Drag left - back |
| 17:19.48 | buz | we could scroll by touching empty space on the page |
| 17:19.50 | SpeedEvil | drag right, forward |
| 17:20.01 | buz | start in empty space, then drag wherever you want to go |
| 17:20.12 | Philippe | buz: true... I just wonder if Webkit already supports that |
| 17:20.16 | buz | (think the hand tool in pdf viewers) |
| 17:20.27 | SpeedEvil | drag up-right, tap, and you get a menu popping out |
| 17:20.34 | Philippe | because we will have to tell it not to draw the toolbars |
| 17:21.14 | Stephmw | I suppose there's always radial navigation... |
| 17:21.14 | buz | i dont like mouse gestures much myself |
| 17:21.26 | SpeedEvil | buz: it's a lot better with two buttons. |
| 17:21.40 | buz | there was some guessing about possibly being able to know if two fingers touch the screen? |
| 17:21.57 | buz | i know we dont have full multi touch |
| 17:22.07 | Stephmw | area average iirc, no? |
| 17:22.41 | buz | if you could do "scroll if two fingers" that would be better than trying tohit empty space |
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| 17:23.12 | SpeedEvil | You get the approximate bounding box of two touches |
| 17:23.28 | buz | so if the bounding box is huge enough -> scroll? |
| 17:23.53 | SpeedEvil | sorry |
| 17:23.58 | SpeedEvil | You get the approximate center of the bounding box of two touches |
| 17:24.09 | buz | thats useless then ;) |
| 17:24.20 | SpeedEvil | you can derive that there has been a second touch from the first touch moving instantly |
| 17:24.26 | Stephmw | is the pressure averaged too? |
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| 17:24.43 | SpeedEvil | It's not really that simple. |
| 17:24.45 | buz | SpeedEvil: but thats heuristic at best |
| 17:25.01 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't measure pressure, it measures resistance |
| 17:25.14 | SpeedEvil | this may or may not correlate with pressure. |
| 17:25.19 | enjahova | is it hardware or software that limits multi-touch right now? |
| 17:25.25 | SpeedEvil | hardware |
| 17:25.26 | buz | hardware |
| 17:25.31 | SpeedEvil | there are only four wires |
| 17:25.46 | SpeedEvil | At best you can get the size and position of the bounding box. |
| 17:25.56 | buz | mhh suppose we use drag for scrolling |
| 17:25.57 | SpeedEvil | the current hardware/software only outputs the center |
| 17:26.04 | buz | is there any other thing we really would like drag for? |
| 17:26.20 | SpeedEvil | Whether the hardware can be configured to output the edges too is another question. |
| 17:26.21 | buz | marking text should be rare enough that you could have a tool for that |
| 17:27.00 | buz | and if you hit a link then drag that would be scrolling, too |
| 17:28.11 | SpeedEvil | What would be so nice would be a tiny bluetooth pen. |
| 17:28.13 | SpeedEvil | Bu... |
| 17:28.29 | CVirus | there's no python interpreter for the OpenMoko yet ? |
| 17:28.55 | mjr | there is |
| 17:29.06 | CVirus | what is this then ? https://projects.openmoko.org/projects/python-openmoko/ |
| 17:29.18 | CVirus | Activity Percentile: 0% |
| 17:29.24 | CVirus | and no files |
| 17:29.44 | mjr | probably to create python bindings for the moko apis |
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| 17:35.44 | CIA-29 | openmoko: 03chris * r3245 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (ChangeLog src/today-main.c): |
| 17:35.44 | CIA-29 | openmoko: * src/today-main.c: (wallpaper_notify): |
| 17:35.44 | CIA-29 | openmoko: Check if value is NULL when reading wallpaper setting |
| 17:37.50 | Kero | Leaving Neo off for 15 hours did not help w.r.t. my gsmd(-caused) problems. |
| 17:38.08 | Philippe | CVirus: just build python in OE and add it to your image |
| 17:38.21 | CVirus | OE ? |
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| 17:38.43 | LarstiQ | or just install the relevant ipkg |
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| 17:41.21 | faern | could someone maybe help me figure out why my make tries to build qemu-native-0.9.0+20070613-r5 when its supposed (according to CM) to build qemu-native-0.9.0+cvs |
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| 17:42.03 | faern | if this is supposed to be a very old error. how come I get it when I just followed the guide http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#QEMU |
| 17:42.21 | CIA-29 | openmoko: 03chris * r3246 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-appearance/ (6 files in 2 dirs): |
| 17:42.21 | CIA-29 | openmoko: * src/Makefile.am: |
| 17:42.21 | CIA-29 | openmoko: * src/appearance-background.[ch]: |
| 17:42.21 | CIA-29 | openmoko: * src/appearance-main.c: (main): |
| 17:42.21 | CIA-29 | openmoko: * src/appearance.h: |
| 17:42.21 | CM | faern: Btw, I assume the +cvs means the date, but I don't know why you get such an old one. Has it been frozen since then? |
| 17:42.23 | CIA-29 | openmoko: Add background chooser |
| 17:42.46 | CM | faern: Also, see if Any_Key is around, he's only using qemu and doesn't have a neo |
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| 17:43.48 | faern | ok. he doesent seem to be online now. but thanks for the tip. |
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| 17:52.51 | tuukkah | for a US number that starts 617, do i just prepend +1 to get the international form? |
| 17:53.11 | buz | yes |
| 17:53.17 | buz | on all gsm phones i ever used anyway |
| 17:53.59 | tuukkah | ok, i was just wondering because here you need to drop an initial zero too |
| 17:55.29 | cjb_ie | yeah, within the US they prefix 1 to specify a long distance call - but they don't quote it at the start of numbers, because it wasn't necessarily a 1 - it varied from one phone company to the next |
| 17:55.53 | cjb_ie | so you 'drop' the 1 (which often isn't shown) and then put +1 instead :-) |
| 17:56.08 | tuukkah | i see :-) |
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| 17:57.12 | tuukkah | would you also know if i can get prepaid sim for my stay in boston - preferably with reasonable gprs pricing |
| 17:57.41 | CIA-29 | openmoko: 03mickey * r3247 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/icons/openmoko-standard/128x128/apps/ (openmoko-system-default.gpn openmoko-system-default.png): artwork/icons: fix typo |
| 17:57.52 | folken | i find it interesting how differnet countries group numbers together: e.g. germany 0671 2222... switzerland 061 123 4567 |
| 17:58.08 | cjb_ie | folken: well, it depends on which bit is the area code. |
| 17:58.21 | buz | in switzerland area code is in fact 3 digits |
| 17:58.29 | cjb_ie | in ireland, you have 01 xxxxxxx, but 021 xxxxxxx and 0504 xxxxx |
| 17:58.31 | LarstiQ | it varies in .nl |
| 17:58.36 | tuukkah | and french group and pronounce all numbers in groups of two? |
| 17:59.22 | Writchie | cjb_ie: actual the "1" is both a dialing prefix for "long distance" and the country code for world numbering zone 1 (north american and carribean). |
| 18:00.02 | Writchie | today 7 digit number signifies within the local 3 digit area code and 10 digit number includes the 3 digit area code. |
| 18:00.07 | folken | cjb_ie: i know, but when a german tells me a swiss phone number like "0611 234567" it feels really strange.. same when i go 067... |
| 18:00.16 | CIA-29 | openmoko: 03mickey * r3248 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/openmoko-mediaplayer.png: openmoko-mediaplayer2: add more beautiful icon |
| 18:00.17 | cjb_ie | Writchie: that's kinda what i was getting at. it looks like the 1 is overloaded... |
| 18:00.17 | mickey-tw | abraxa_: watch next commit |
| 18:00.25 | Writchie | yes. |
| 18:00.29 | abraxa_ | rofl |
| 18:00.30 | abraxa_ | Thanks ;) |
| 18:00.41 | Writchie | in us 011 is international prefix. |
| 18:00.56 | Writchie | 1 is "long distance prefix" |
| 18:01.11 | cjb_ie | Writchie: and of course, in some areas, 1 wasn't used at all. you just dialled 7 digits, or 10, and the exchange figured out from the second digit whether it was an area code or not. |
| 18:01.22 | cjb_ie | until the great renumbering, of course. |
| 18:01.30 | abraxa_ | mickey-tw: I was about to set the same icon actually, lol |
| 18:01.31 | Writchie | many local exchange companies require the area code and 1 or not with no real rhyme or reason and even conflict within their own systems |
| 18:02.17 | Writchie | originally, area codes always had 0 or 1 as the middle digit and exchange prefixes were 2 - 0 |
| 18:02.28 | Writchie | s/0/9/ |
| 18:02.36 | Writchie | stupid bot |
| 18:02.52 | Writchie | area code had a 0 or 1 in middle - exchange prefixes 2-9 |
| 18:02.52 | CIA-29 | openmoko: 03mickey * r3249 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-browser2/data/ (Makefile.am openmoko-browser.png openmoko-browser2.desktop): openmoko-browser2: add icon |
| 18:03.02 | Writchie | until they ran out of numbers |
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| 18:07.06 | nicfer | a bit OT question but I don't find where discuss it: I uploaded a OGG file to my new sony ericsson w200 and it refuses to play, what can I do to play it? |
| 18:07.53 | nicfer | blame my phone manufacturer? |
| 18:08.15 | stefan_schmidt | nicfer: yeah |
| 18:09.04 | mickey-tw | yep |
| 18:09.12 | nicfer | well, there are no phone companies that support OGG so I should be blaming everyone... |
| 18:09.13 | mickey-tw | ogg support is rare in proprietary OSses |
| 18:09.22 | mickey-tw | FIC supports ogg |
| 18:09.25 | mickey-tw | kind of |
| 18:09.26 | mickey-tw | *cough* |
| 18:09.32 | pH5 | hehe |
| 18:10.14 | nicfer | same in nokia, same in motorola, same in samsung... same everywhere, right? |
| 18:10.43 | Kero | where are the HW/DSP decoders for .ogg ? |
| 18:11.35 | anrp | can't think of any OSS ones |
| 18:11.44 | anrp | there is an integer-only one in software (tremor) |
| 18:11.59 | anrp | integer only is usually good enough(tm) for FPU-less arches (like arm -> neo) |
| 18:12.48 | Kero | anrp: didn't know about tremor will check it out |
| 18:13.10 | mickey-tw | g'night |
| 18:13.51 | Philippe | nicfer: the issue is that big, high profile manufacturers have big legal departements which are concered about the apparent patent and royalty free claims for ogg |
| 18:14.18 | Philippe | they are afraid of being sued. |
| 18:14.43 | buz | i think they simply dont see any demand |
| 18:15.16 | Philippe | buz: demand is pretty low, however the cost to add it is almost virtually nothing. |
| 18:15.24 | buz | you need to test it |
| 18:15.32 | nicfer | I don't know that human stupidity should come that far... |
| 18:15.53 | Philippe | buz: the Nokia internet tablets don't have ogg because the legal departement blocks it |
| 18:16.05 | ckuethe | "how can you be sure we won't get sued if we can't get a license for it?" |
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| 18:16.18 | buz | that would probably be the only device that would see demand for ogg ;9 |
| 18:16.32 | ckuethe | *sigh* |
| 18:16.37 | ckuethe | point them at iriver |
| 18:16.48 | ckuethe | they've happily been shipping ogg for quite a while |
| 18:16.50 | Philippe | I spend some time tracking down a music player that does both ogg and usb mass storage |
| 18:17.06 | ckuethe | my iriver H120 did... |
| 18:17.13 | Philippe | yeah the new ones don't |
| 18:17.18 | ckuethe | boo. |
| 18:17.23 | Philippe | I am very happy with my Trekstor |
| 18:17.29 | nicfer | well... maybe I have to stick to the sicky mp3... |
| 18:17.48 | nicfer | damn stupid manufacturers |
| 18:18.06 | nicfer | (yes, I am very angry) |
| 18:18.24 | Philippe | ckuethe: and legal's argument to other companies shipping it are that it is their problem if they get sued, and that they probably won't get sued because they are too small |
| 18:18.36 | Philippe | nicfer: blame lawyers |
| 18:19.06 | buz | thats always a good idea |
| 18:19.10 | roh | Philippe most samsung flash players do support ogg afaik |
| 18:19.19 | buz | most of them have broken UMS though |
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| 18:27.49 | anrp | i think that rockbox put on (whatever it supports) does ogg and usb mass storage |
| 18:28.02 | anrp | it supports the earlier ipods and some others? |
| 18:32.04 | roh | anrp its just totally unusable since it does not use any hw support and sucks empty the battery |
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| 18:32.44 | anrp | ah, well, i didn't know that much D: |
| 18:32.54 | anrp | >.> |
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| 18:49.38 | Kero | mwester: around? |
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| 18:56.02 | Kero | something messed with the matchbox applets (and their fontsize) |
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| 18:56.33 | Kero | but mwesters kernel did revive what I considered a borked image. |
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| 19:03.53 | Kero | now I can do mundane things like make libgsmd-tool sl (list SMS) not segfault. |
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| 19:17.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 953 has been created by koen(AT)openembedded.org |
| 19:17.02 | cdbot2 | * * openmoko-today r3245 doesn't build |
| 19:17.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=953 |
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| 19:24.20 | neott1690__ | nick neott |
| 19:24.38 | oryn | any changes in todays r4 kernel? |
| 19:26.20 | Kero | humdiedum, applet seems unaware that gsm is already registered. how puny :) |
| 19:28.32 | Kero | oryn: r4? |
| 19:28.48 | oryn | uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr2937-r4-fic-gta01-20071022093816.bin |
| 19:29.41 | Kero | good Q, they have a changelog somewhere? |
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| 19:35.31 | ttneo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.39 | Kero | oyoyoy |
| 19:36.11 | Stephmw | ;) |
| 19:36.21 | Kero | hm, that was *not* a pasasword |
| 19:36.35 | Kero | it was a "link" whatever that my be :) |
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| 19:54.47 | ttneo | Hello! I am trying to follow the Using Audio Wiki instruction in the Getting_Started guide, I noticed that I don't have /etc/alsa in my rootfs image, rather that I have /etc/asound* files, do I miss something here? |
| 19:55.48 | ttneo | I had tried my own builts from top of the 2007.2 tree and from the buildhost |
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| 19:58.20 | abraxa_ | ttneo: What do you want to do? Activate your speakers? |
| 20:07.29 | ttneo | abraxa: bascially, also like to try playing mp3 file, though I couldn't get my media player started from uI |
| 20:07.53 | ttneo | I got my p1 just last week so trying to go through the features |
| 20:10.48 | abraxa_ | ttneo: If you can't hear anything from the speakers at all you might want to try restoring an ALSA profile: "alsactl -f /etc/stereoout.state restore" |
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| 20:11.14 | abraxa_ | Aside from that you might want to try a new image - the media player was missing some dependencies until a couple days ago |
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| 20:14.56 | ttneo | ok, will give that a try, as well as getting a new image |
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| 20:16.05 | ttneo | just curious, so what's with the "/etc/alsa" directory from the wiki? A legacy configuration? |
| 20:16.23 | mjr | yes |
| 20:17.32 | ttneo | thx |
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| 20:56.04 | abraxa_ | ...and all is quiet again... |
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| 20:59.08 | pvanhoof | abraxa_, that's because you are not complaining about the ffmpeg plugin anymore! :) |
| 20:59.27 | CM | hehe |
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| 21:03.37 | abraxa_ | Yeah, I'm gave up on gst-ffmpeg, even after reading the code and digging through thousands of gst debug output it is still a mystery to me as to why it won't handle video/mpeg when it really, really should |
| 21:03.41 | abraxa_ | I gave* |
| 21:05.03 | pvanhoof | on ARM? |
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| 21:06.16 | abraxa_ | Yeah |
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| 21:07.03 | pvanhoof | If you looked really deep, it must be that it's something ridiculously stupid :) |
| 21:07.48 | abraxa_ | I'm not doubting it but gst did find and index the library |
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| 21:11.40 | Kero | already switched off ccp, so it's no longer ProtRej... |
| 21:13.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 954 has been created by bugslayer(AT)o2.pl |
| 21:13.01 | cdbot2 | * * MokoMakefile does not build image files even after successful packages compilation |
| 21:13.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=954 |
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| 21:16.13 | kristian-m | Kero try killing gsmd |
| 21:16.26 | Kero | kristian-m: done a few times already |
| 21:16.45 | Kero | kristian-m: the connection is established, and then killed. |
| 21:16.56 | kristian-m | Kero you've got to be connected to the network first tehn kill gsmd then start pppd |
| 21:16.59 | Kero | perhaps I should verify my subscription allows gprs |
| 21:17.10 | Kero | que? |
| 21:17.25 | Kero | ok, will try |
| 21:17.50 | kristian-m | Kero hmm, you could also try settinsgui |
| 21:18.17 | Kero | no, same behaviour without gsmd |
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| 21:19.51 | kristian-m | Kero try playing around with auth settings... |
| 21:20.01 | kristian-m | Kero and compression settings |
| 21:20.30 | Kero | compression certainly upset the thing (hence noccp, and no more ProtRej) |
| 21:20.44 | Kero | chap succeeds. not sure what to improve on that? |
| 21:20.49 | SpeedEvil | I wish it supported compression. |
| 21:21.24 | kristian-m | Kero try using a user and a password setting in the pppd config |
| 21:22.38 | Kero | like what? |
| 21:23.02 | Kero | pppd uses hostname (huh?) and i've also tried vodafone + vodafon |
| 21:23.12 | kristian-m | Kero http://mput.de/~kristian/.openmoko/GlobalConfiguration.py.html <-- at the buttom of that file |
| 21:25.44 | Kero | neither. |
| 21:25.56 | kristian-m | Kero hmm sry |
| 21:26.27 | Kero | can interrogate tem about GPRS too. |
| 21:26.48 | kristian-m | Kero whats the chat error message? |
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| 21:27.07 | kristian-m | Kero hmm, okay |
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| 21:27.40 | Kero | sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1 <addr 0.0.0.0>] |
| 21:27.40 | Kero | rcvd [LCP TermReq id=0x9 0b 21] |
| 21:27.40 | Kero | LCP terminated by peer (^K!) |
| 21:27.50 | Kero | right after it says chap succeeded. |
| 21:31.08 | kristian-m | Kero hmm no idea - I've had the same error once though... :-/ |
| 21:31.37 | SpeedEvil | er': you do have the 'noipdefault' line in ppp config? |
| 21:32.45 | Kero | yes |
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| 21:48.30 | bedboi | hi |
| 21:48.50 | bedboi | any relevant news? |
| 21:51.15 | SpeedEvil | Again, not really. |
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| 21:53.07 | Kero | no. took a while, but my kernel is spending 100% in [events/0] once more :( |
| 21:59.31 | LittleIdiot | uhm... has anyone in here played with pulseaudio? i've tested the examples and made a recoding and playing application - well, the lag on the local host is ~1 second |
| 21:59.57 | LittleIdiot | so i can imagine that having a voip application with pulseaudio may be a bit laggish ;) |
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| 22:07.00 | faern | CM, I get the same error now, and this time I did everything over on my laptop |
| 22:07.44 | faern | can someone confirm that gcc-3.4.6 & http://www.rwhitby.net/files/openmoko/Makefile is the correct versions of everything |
| 22:12.24 | kristian-m | has anyone seen this on todays build? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/e003b3f86b732609b6ed8ddae0b3b998.png |
| 22:13.15 | kristian-m | seems as if the windowmanager wasnt started but there is a matchbox running |
| 22:14.19 | Vegar | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/869448be9407dee4cd881b5508069b81.png - just curious, is that some new look? |
| 22:14.45 | kristian-m | Vegar the default gtk theme i guess |
| 22:14.51 | mjr | yeah, looks like |
| 22:17.07 | kristian-m | hmm the matchbox theme directory is missing on my image, build today. - and i also have a gtk ignoring the openmoko2 theme |
| 22:19.12 | kristian-m | user interface of the new browser is clever though |
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