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| 01:25.11 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03abraxa * r3230 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/ (TODO src/editor_page.c src/main_page.c): |
| 01:25.11 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Add gesture recognition (up/down=volume; left/right=ffwd/rew; stroke+hold=repeat) |
| 01:25.11 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Fix bug #893 by changing color for "Add Playlist" button label |
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| 01:48.09 | mickey|tw | morning |
| 01:48.45 | abraxa_ | Good morning ;) |
| 01:48.50 | Sup3rkiddo | morning |
| 01:49.08 | xaid | morning |
| 01:52.33 | mickey|tw | sleep is something wonderful |
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| 02:04.48 | abraxa_ | Yup, and it's my turn to get some now. Damn time zones :) |
| 02:05.03 | mickey|tw | heh, sleep well |
| 02:05.23 | abraxa_ | I sure will, and you have a good breakfast and a nice day ;3 |
| 02:05.27 | mickey|tw | thanks :) |
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| 04:34.38 | ljp | hmm... quiet today |
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| 04:45.48 | pjz | gta02 fthagn! |
| 04:48.42 | summatusmentis | pardon? |
| 04:51.56 | ljp | i think he must have sneezed |
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| 05:23.06 | bmidgley | ljp I was also thinking things have been quiet |
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| 06:13.02 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 950 has been created by mail(AT)mmontour.net |
| 06:13.02 | cdbot2 | * * Xfbdev / tslib segfault in ts_close() |
| 06:13.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=950 |
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| 06:59.14 | Sup3rkiddo | anyone having problems with debian + flash.sh, i badly need to test a piece of code |
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| 07:07.37 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:43.20 | viq | hm, have you guys seen http://www.compulab.co.il/x270em/html/x270-em-datasheet.htm ? |
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| 08:48.25 | CVirus | viq: put that on the wiki please |
| 08:49.12 | viq | eh, don't have an account yet |
| 08:49.58 | doc|home | has a buil-in graphics chip, seems like a waste to have two, are the devices details open? |
| 08:51.14 | doc|home | Implements 802.11b wireless connectivity standard. |
| 08:51.15 | doc|home | lame |
| 08:51.20 | viq | I don't know yet, I saw some "developer resources", let me look there |
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| 08:51.35 | doc|home | 802.11b doesn't even have decent encryption support |
| 08:51.37 | viq | http://www.compulab.co.il/x270em/html/x270-em-developer.py |
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| 08:58.08 | viq | I need to run, so I'll leave you guys with the subject ;) |
| 08:58.34 | doc|home | bye :) |
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| 09:14.18 | ScaredyCat | doc|home: ssh tunnels :D |
| 09:14.39 | doc|home | sure, because that's convenient :) |
| 09:14.52 | ScaredyCat | it would be if you did it automagically |
| 09:14.55 | ScaredyCat | use keys etc |
| 09:15.03 | doc|home | I plan on setting up a vpn anyway, but still, it's a bit old nowadays |
| 09:15.22 | ScaredyCat | i use tunnels all the time :) |
| 09:15.30 | doc|home | I used to too, but still, lame :) |
| 09:16.11 | ScaredyCat | why lame? how do you know you're going to be able to use a vpn from any location? |
| 09:16.41 | doc|home | no, I meant the lack of 802.11g |
| 09:16.54 | doc|home | it's slower *and* less secure |
| 09:17.35 | ScaredyCat | well, yes that's true... but it's probably quite old hardware |
| 09:17.45 | doc|home | it's like me offering you a pentium II when there are nice shiny new core 2 duos or whatever |
| 09:17.48 | doc|home | :) |
| 09:18.08 | ScaredyCat | I suspect it's been available for some time, and engadget just spotted it |
| 09:18.14 | doc|home | yeah, probably |
| 09:18.25 | doc|home | the $122 doesn't even include the screen |
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| 09:19.18 | ScaredyCat | no, very basic for 122 - I suspect it'd be cheaper to buy something and put linux on it :) |
| 09:19.35 | ScaredyCat | let's face it, it'd be an ugly mofo too.. |
| 09:19.39 | doc|home | yup |
| 09:19.49 | ScaredyCat | big square geek case.. |
| 09:19.50 | doc|home | it's much bigger than the neo's board |
| 09:20.08 | doc|home | but hey, I think the neo's kind of ugly too :) |
| 09:20.37 | ScaredyCat | I think the scren is too small.. dimensions not resolution |
| 09:20.41 | ScaredyCat | screen |
| 09:21.06 | ScaredyCat | anyho... must dash.. off to Rotterdam in a bit |
| 09:21.24 | doc|home | bye |
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| 09:27.59 | Henryk | doc|home: what's b/g to do with security? the enhanced security is in i, independent of a/b/g |
| 09:28.37 | doc|home | Henryk: 802.11b only supports wep |
| 09:28.54 | doc|home | to the best of my knowledge |
| 09:29.07 | Henryk | [Citation Needed] |
| 09:29.19 | doc|home | this isn't wikipedia :) |
| 09:29.58 | Henryk | a, b and g are for the modulation, WEP and WPA are (as far as I can see) without a letter, and i is WPA2 |
| 09:30.22 | doc|home | does WPA work under 802.11b? |
| 09:30.26 | Henryk | yes |
| 09:30.29 | doc|home | I've been told it doesn't |
| 09:30.34 | XorA|gone | doc|home: it does |
| 09:30.46 | XorA|gone | doc|home: hit whoever spreads false info |
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| 09:31.28 | XorA|gone | on Windoze a lot of manufacturers refused to upgrade drivers to work with WPA to make you buy new cards, this is how such rumours started |
| 09:32.05 | doc|home | hmmm, he just said now that this specific device (which has 802.11b only) doesn't (nintendo ds) |
| 09:32.20 | XorA|gone | yeah, ds is a pain in the ass for wireless |
| 09:32.25 | XorA|gone | ~lart nintendo |
| 09:32.25 | apt | steals nintendo's mojo |
| 09:32.29 | doc|home | heh |
| 09:32.45 | doc|home | still though, 11mb vs 54mb :/ |
| 09:32.48 | XorA|gone | its the only device in my house that doesnt do WPA, and the only reason I can drop WEP |
| 09:32.58 | XorA|gone | cant |
| 09:33.29 | doc|home | I wanted one with opera, but too much money for something I won't really use if the neo ever gets released and I have a better wireless device |
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| 09:33.45 | doc|home | the nokia n810 looks nice but it's just for web access which is a bit pointless |
| 09:33.51 | doc|home | can get a laptop for less |
| 09:35.57 | ljp | cant put a laptop in your pocket |
| 09:36.26 | doc|home | can't put a neo in my pocket either :) |
| 09:36.33 | XorA|gone | ljp: depends if you are Hagrid |
| 09:38.04 | doc|home | I'm considering an eee pc, then I remember the screen is a bit sucky, even for its size |
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| 09:54.45 | sixfeet | moin da draussen |
| 09:58.13 | cb22 | ljp, depends, you can get big pockets or small laptops :) |
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| 10:02.10 | mjr | Soo, a recent image set with semi-working calls, is there such a thing? Time to switch back to OM from qtopia for my presentations |
| 10:05.48 | XorA|gone | mjr: a couple of days ago calls were fully working |
| 10:06.19 | XorA|gone | mjr: I dont have the image though as I had to bump my kernel rev, but I suspect what is in OE can probably still work |
| 10:09.46 | mjr | it's nice to have openmoko in an openmoko presentation |
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| 10:11.14 | mjr | (also I was gonna do that anyway, just wanted to try the other thing out too) |
| 10:11.33 | ljp | openmoko the gui... or openmoko the distribution? |
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| 10:34.09 | mjr | XorA|gone, anyway, a prebuilt would've been nice, but I suppose I'll put mokomakefile to work and try out whatever's getting spit out :] |
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| 10:36.40 | guaqua | buildhost's latest seems to be from september :S |
| 10:39.12 | Marcel_M | qua |
| 10:39.18 | Marcel_M | usp |
| 10:39.34 | Marcel_M | guaqua: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/ |
| 10:39.53 | Marcel_M | lastest is from yesterday |
| 10:40.56 | guaqua | ummh |
| 10:40.59 | guaqua | okay |
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| 10:53.06 | gamin | madplay starts only via ssh - on the neo I always get /dev/dsp: Device or Resource busy - how comes that? |
| 10:53.38 | gamin | or why does the terminal occupy the dev/dsp? |
| 10:55.41 | abraxa_ | gamin: OM makes use of PulseAudio whick is why you can't access the audio device through ALSA/OSS directly |
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| 10:56.08 | gamin | but why then can I start madplay when connected via ssh? |
| 10:56.48 | abraxa_ | Did you reboot inbetween? |
| 10:56.52 | gamin | no |
| 10:57.01 | abraxa_ | Hmm, that's odd then |
| 10:58.18 | gamin | I have wondered if the click sound is the culprit, but starting it with sleep 2 && madplay xyz.mp3 doesn't change anything |
| 10:58.49 | SpeedEvil | ssh in and fuser /dev/dsp? |
| 10:59.14 | gamin | returns nothing |
| 10:59.16 | SpeedEvil | And does it work with a terminal session open on the phone, but ssh'd in |
| 10:59.26 | gamin | yes |
| 10:59.43 | SpeedEvil | nohup madplay? |
| 10:59.58 | abraxa_ | gamin: The click actually is a good hint. Try clicking the touchscreen and starting madplay right after over SSH |
| 11:03.40 | gamin | wow, the click sound keeps /dev/dsp open for 25seconds! |
| 11:04.00 | gamin | so sleep 30 && madplay x.mp3 works! |
| 11:04.08 | SpeedEvil | Maybe a little excessive. |
| 11:04.12 | abraxa_ | Indeed |
| 11:04.20 | gamin | a little :) |
| 11:05.56 | gamin | should I file a bug and if so against which component? |
| 11:06.13 | abraxa_ | Though I do wonder... /dev/dsp isn't needed for ALSA, right? If so then it should be possible for PulseAudio to keep /dev/dsp open for other programs while utilizing ALSA itself |
| 11:06.29 | abraxa_ | Unless it's ALSA that provides the OSS compatibility... |
| 11:06.33 | cb22 | isnt there something like pulsedsp |
| 11:06.49 | cb22 | which would make any program use pulse? |
| 11:07.58 | abraxa_ | http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=916 (someone wrote about it already) |
| 11:12.14 | vciaglia | FeedRss doesn't allow me to add new feed. You? |
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| 11:13.51 | gamin | wow, xkbd is such a relief for the eyes ;) |
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| 11:37.51 | Linux_Galore | hmm nice vid of QTopia on the OM |
| 11:37.55 | Linux_Galore | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4wSJ7Eb |
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| 11:50.17 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: Are you wiki admin now btw? |
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| 12:00.13 | vciaglia | is there another rss reader for openmoko? |
| 12:01.55 | abraxa_ | vciaglia: Unfortunately not - and yeah, the feeds are hardcoded... hm |
| 12:02.08 | abraxa_ | http://svnweb.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-feedreader2/src/feed-configuration.c?view=markup |
| 12:02.27 | abraxa_ | If you build your own images you can customize it |
| 12:02.53 | vciaglia | how can i do it? |
| 12:03.15 | abraxa_ | Did you flash your own image with MokoMakefile? |
| 12:03.34 | vciaglia | abraxa_: no... |
| 12:04.01 | abraxa_ | I can do it for you if you want me to and send you the binary |
| 12:04.23 | vciaglia | nice :) |
| 12:04.31 | abraxa_ | Which feeds do you want? |
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| 12:05.04 | vciaglia | heh... i have a lot of feeds...but could me more useful if you can teach me the procedure |
| 12:05.36 | abraxa_ | Okay - it's a little quick'n'dirty-ish but at least it works ;) |
| 12:05.50 | abraxa_ | Do you have MokoMakefile set up? |
| 12:05.54 | vciaglia | no.. |
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| 12:06.40 | vciaglia | the feeder reads only atom feeds? |
| 12:07.01 | abraxa_ | Hmm... that means it'll take you quite a while to build all feedreader depencies, I'm afraid (toolchain+X+webkit+...) |
| 12:07.57 | vciaglia | abraxa_: heh.. i remember that sometimes ago the feeder did its works. And now? |
| 12:08.22 | vciaglia | abraxa_: maybe 1 or 2 months ago. |
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| 12:09.19 | abraxa_ | vciaglia: The feedreader uses libmrss so anything mRss can read it can read, too: http://www5.autistici.org/bakunin/libmrss/doc/ |
| 12:09.36 | vciaglia | abraxa_: maybe you should create a configuration file to manually edit it and add new feeds |
| 12:09.44 | abraxa_ | vciaglia: If you have some patience and disk space (>10G) then you can use MokoMakefile - are you up for it? |
| 12:10.01 | abraxa_ | vciaglia: GConf will be used for it, yeah, just zecke didn't find the time yet it seems |
| 12:10.43 | vciaglia | ok abraxa_ but i don't want to bore you. If the problem will be fixed shortly, i'll wait :) |
| 12:11.26 | abraxa_ | Nah, not boring me heh |
| 12:11.49 | abraxa_ | First you need to set up MokoMakefile: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile |
| 12:12.23 | vciaglia | abraxa_: ok |
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| 12:17.00 | vciaglia | abraxa_: damn...the ubuntu's server are really slow from days. Take a cup of coffee :) |
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| 12:17.19 | abraxa_ | hehe |
| 12:17.34 | abraxa_ | aloril: ping |
| 12:18.58 | vciaglia | abraxa_: really too slow... can i send you the list of feeds? |
| 12:19.11 | abraxa_ | Of course, my offer still stands ;) |
| 12:19.37 | vciaglia | abraxa_: wait...the server wake up :) |
| 12:20.40 | abraxa_ | I'd recommend I build a custom one for you that you can use while building with MokoMakefile - it'll take 8+ hours |
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| 12:21.06 | vciaglia | abraxa_: ok, i'm building the file :P |
| 12:21.14 | abraxa_ | oki |
| 12:21.25 | vciaglia | abraxa_: but tomorrow i'll try |
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| 12:48.30 | gamin | is there any planning about a "tap and hold" feature? |
| 12:48.50 | gamin | or is that regarded as useless? |
| 12:50.10 | abraxa_ | "tap and hold"? |
| 12:51.30 | gamin | i guess the qtopia has it and well windows mobile had it last time i tried (years ago) - it is kind of right click, when tapping and holding the stylo |
| 12:51.56 | abraxa_ | Ahh |
| 12:51.57 | abraxa_ | Hm |
| 12:52.35 | gamin | otoh gpe has this nifty toolbar applet for left/right/middle click |
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| 14:16.43 | Orzech_ | hi all! |
| 14:17.04 | madmas | hi |
| 14:17.18 | Orzech_ | As usual, I come with problem... |
| 14:17.39 | Orzech_ | I've compiled succesfully OM, but can't build image |
| 14:18.04 | Orzech_ | I get /home/openmoko/om/build/tmp/work/fic-gta01-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/openmoko-devel-image-1.0-r0/temp/run.image_cmd.9537: line 417: mkfs.jffs2: command not found |
| 14:18.55 | Orzech_ | anybody have any idea how to fix it? |
| 14:19.39 | mickey|tw | hmm |
| 14:19.54 | mickey|tw | mkutils-native should've been built during the build |
| 14:20.14 | Orzech_ | mickey|tw, shall I rebuild them? |
| 14:20.32 | CM | Orzech_: Have you disabled any dependancies in some bb files? |
| 14:20.40 | Orzech_ | CM, nope |
| 14:20.53 | Orzech_ | CM, fresh make setup and devel image |
| 14:21.11 | CM | I did one yesterday and that worked, haven't tried yet today |
| 14:21.26 | Orzech_ | CM, i began building yesterday |
| 14:22.05 | Orzech_ | CM, but failed with fakekey error or such, so I made make update devel image blabla today and so it ends |
| 14:22.49 | fgau | NOTE: build 200710201256: completed |
| 14:24.16 | Orzech_ | fgau, ok, so I will rebuild mkutils |
| 14:24.52 | dread | yay, i got my old nick back :) hello everyone ;-) |
| 14:25.07 | Orzech_ | mickey|tw, mkutils-native is the name of package, right? |
| 14:25.32 | CM | Orzech_: Using the makefile, make rebuild-package-mkutils-native should work |
| 14:25.39 | mickey|tw | sorry |
| 14:25.41 | mickey|tw | actually |
| 14:25.43 | mickey|tw | mtdutils-native |
| 14:26.01 | mickey|tw | mtd-utils-native, to be 100% correct |
| 14:26.02 | Orzech_ | mickey|tw, ok, no problem |
| 14:29.12 | Orzech_ | mickey|tw, ok, so I did make clean-package-mdt-util-native and then make openmoko-devel-image. Error still is there. |
| 14:33.16 | krLun | is it possible to surf the web with neo1973? if so, what browser does it use? and does it support flash? |
| 14:33.27 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 14:33.33 | SpeedEvil | In flux. |
| 14:33.35 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 14:33.50 | SpeedEvil | There is no official flash binary that will work. |
| 14:33.58 | SpeedEvil | This means that gnuash is the best option. |
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| 14:34.27 | krLun | gnuash? |
| 14:34.32 | SpeedEvil | gnash? |
| 14:34.44 | SpeedEvil | goulash? |
| 14:35.07 | CM | It's gnash |
| 14:35.07 | krLun | not possible to run with http://www.adobe.com/products/flashlite/ ? |
| 14:35.24 | CM | Don't know if that works on arm though |
| 14:35.47 | krLun | i noticed that Chumby (based on ARM9, fully open source thingie) runs Flash Lite [ http://www.chumby.com/ ] |
| 14:36.11 | CM | The Nokia NXX0 do too or? |
| 14:36.27 | krLun | i dont know about Nokia phones |
| 14:36.39 | CM | I mean the N800 and N810 |
| 14:36.55 | krLun | SpeedEvil, is flux a browser? |
| 14:37.02 | krLun | can't find any info on it |
| 14:37.08 | SpeedEvil | krLun: don't know. |
| 14:37.22 | SpeedEvil | krLun: I've not been keeping up on the browser as much as I should. |
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| 14:37.39 | SpeedEvil | I've been getting into the bad habit of just running FF, over by car-laptop. |
| 14:37.43 | krLun | so i guess its out of the question to run like firefox? |
| 14:37.45 | SpeedEvil | I've been getting into the bad habit of just running FF, over my car-laptop. |
| 14:37.53 | SpeedEvil | using BT to display |
| 14:38.09 | SpeedEvil | FF probably will run - for some descriptions of run. Maybe even acceptably. |
| 14:38.23 | SpeedEvil | Till recently I have run FF (1.5) on a 128M machine. |
| 14:38.25 | abraxa_ | krLun: "in flux" meaning "it's a work in progress, so nothing definite yet" |
| 14:38.44 | krLun | oh |
| 14:38.56 | SpeedEvil | Oh - sorry for causing confusion. |
| 14:39.07 | krLun | sorry, im not a native english speaker :) |
| 14:39.25 | SpeedEvil | Basically, there are a number of possible browsers, and if anyone comes up with another, it'll be great. |
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| 14:39.33 | ScaredyCat | dang - I thought in flux meant it would have a built in flux capacitor :( |
| 14:39.55 | abraxa_ | krLun: The web browser OpenMoko uses is openmoko-browser2 (and nothing to be sorry for ;) |
| 14:40.31 | abraxa_ | ScaredyCat: Well, it *is* the Neo 1973 after all, so time travelling must be possible somehow ;) |
| 14:40.57 | abraxa_ | Just... I'm not too sure if I wanna go back to '73. |
| 14:41.00 | SpeedEvil | The flux capacitor driver is not released though. |
| 14:41.00 | ScaredyCat | maybe it'll be in the "neo 1988 " |
| 14:41.16 | cjb_ie | abraxa_: i'm not sure i want to know what it'd be like, being minus 2 years old |
| 14:41.21 | SpeedEvil | And getting the required power over USB is hard. |
| 14:41.25 | abraxa_ | heh |
| 14:42.59 | Orzech_ | mickey|tw, However, I have mkfs.jffs2 in om/build/tmp/work/i686-linux/mtd-utils-native-1.0.0-r0/mtd-utils-1.0.0/mkfs |
| 14:43.48 | SpeedEvil | 107M - that'd be what - 32 bit wide @ 32Mhz? |
| 14:43.53 | SpeedEvil | Pentium? |
| 14:44.40 | cjb_ie | SpeedEvil: yup... i'm giggling at the memory apparently being faster than the cache. |
| 14:45.15 | SpeedEvil | I think 486sx/33 is the slowest lappy I have. |
| 14:45.20 | SpeedEvil | I haven't booted it for a while. |
| 14:45.42 | cjb_ie | memtest86 tells me this one is a pentium-mmx 266MHz |
| 14:45.55 | cjb_ie | it'll do fine for GPS logging in the car |
| 14:46.21 | cjb_ie | stick it under the passenger seat ors |
| 14:46.49 | cjb_ie | it even has a real serial port with wake on ring, so with a little trickery i could make it boot when i start the car. |
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| 14:48.37 | SpeedEvil | I recommend a CF-IDE adaptor and a 4G CF card. |
| 14:49.06 | SpeedEvil | Just as HDs in places where stuff can condense is bad. |
| 14:50.05 | SpeedEvil | Pity nobody seems to make a CF-SD adaptor. |
| 14:52.23 | cjb_ie | never mind condensation, it'd be bumps and vibration i'd worry about |
| 14:52.56 | cjb_ie | given that i was thinking of sticking it on the floor under the passenger seat |
| 14:53.38 | abraxa_ | XorA|gone: ping |
| 14:59.22 | Orzech_ | ok, so problem mkfs.jffs2 command not found was conencted with PATH var |
| 15:02.43 | Orzech_ | I exported it manually and now this command is seen, but I get "Unknown compressor name lzo" |
| 15:02.48 | Orzech_ | anybody can help? |
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| 15:06.22 | pjz | SpeedEvil: you mean like http://www.amazon.com/Compact-Flash-Secure-Digital-Adapter/dp/B000165CBA ? |
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| 15:14.09 | CM | Orzech_: This might help: http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2007-March/001570.html |
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| 15:15.27 | CM | Orzech_: Also, I have a lib called lzo installed on my desktop |
| 15:15.44 | Orzech_ | ok |
| 15:15.54 | Orzech_ | CM: * ok ;) |
| 15:16.39 | CM | Hehe |
| 15:17.18 | Orzech_ | CM: yes, I have lzo installed |
| 15:17.56 | CM | I've never heard anyone here having that problem before |
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| 15:18.32 | Orzech_ | CM: well, it's not the first time, when I have strange problem :/ |
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| 15:19.48 | Orzech_ | CM: however, so me problems appear even, when I didn't make any change to my desktop |
| 15:20.04 | Orzech_ | CM: * most problems |
| 15:20.44 | Orzech_ | CM: thank You for help, I'll try tomorrow and tell you results :) |
| 15:20.48 | Orzech_ | Peace. |
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| 17:13.46 | SrRaven | so a question,what actually prevents any mobile from being flashed with the openmoko os? |
| 17:14.09 | CM | SrRaven: Nothing, as long as it boots a linux kernel |
| 17:14.15 | flaushy | ur device would need to have the proper roms |
| 17:14.25 | flaushy | and u would need to have all the drivers |
| 17:14.43 | SrRaven | buh |
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| 17:17.47 | SrRaven | wohoo Motorola A1200E does OM |
| 17:18.31 | mjr | *sigh* having a build cow |
| 17:18.36 | mickey|tw | :) |
| 17:19.07 | mjr | anyone having a recent kernel/root image pair, I'd like to show this thing off tomorrow at a presentation :] |
| 17:19.30 | SrRaven | the a1200e at least is pretty |
| 17:20.32 | CM | mjr: How recent? |
| 17:20.53 | mjr | preferrably so recent that, as I hear, calls would somewhat work |
| 17:21.07 | CM | mjr: I have from the 17th, and it worked to call with for me: http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/2007.2/ |
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| 17:21.46 | mjr | CM, ack, thanks |
| 17:21.48 | CM | mjr: I have later images too, but I haven't tried them |
| 17:22.15 | mjr | seems mkfs.jffs2 didn't have -x lzo and zlib didn't cut it |
| 17:22.37 | CM | There's some more who have used those images too and called with them, so it's not just on my neo |
| 17:22.56 | mjr | *nod* |
| 17:24.39 | mjr | fllllash |
| 17:26.20 | mickey|tw | just needs a couple of improvements |
| 17:26.26 | mickey|tw | might be nice beginner's tasks |
| 17:26.41 | mickey|tw | merely a question of how to inject the changes |
| 17:27.32 | CM | Could make a good step by step guide too if it's documented |
| 17:28.03 | mickey|tw | like, how to improve regular gtk programs for a phone? |
| 17:28.12 | mickey|tw | or, the OpenMoko framework, fwiw |
| 17:28.38 | mickey|tw | ? |
| 17:29.25 | CM | Yes, something like that |
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| 17:34.46 | davi | I would like get a "Nokia 810" with GSM/3G |
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| 17:40.22 | bmidgley | davi: me too, but the answer seems to be wimax which is not deployed anywhere |
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| 17:41.05 | bmidgley | getting the EABI gps driver may be a lower priority since gta02 won't use it :( |
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| 17:41.51 | mickey|tw | which is not that much of a problem actually, as long as the oabi works w/ the wrapper |
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| 17:42.55 | mjr | As long as. It's a bit more resources again, but I shan't complain much as long as we get it. |
| 17:43.06 | bmidgley | has anyone documented how to make the chroot wrapper? |
| 17:43.31 | mjr | (as I've said, the gta01 will go to the wife, and she wants gps ;) |
| 17:44.18 | CM | bmidgley: I think Pavel has some on his userpage or in the wiki |
| 17:44.30 | CM | mjr: Did the images work ok for you? |
| 17:47.34 | mjr | at least booted, don't have sim in it right now |
| 17:47.55 | CM | Ok |
| 17:48.01 | mjr | -> at least I can show it around a bit |
| 17:48.16 | davi | bmidgley, The N810 has Skype and other similar VoIP software, to be used via normal WiFi. WiMAX would be better, but WiFi seams to fit. |
| 17:50.35 | bmidgley | there's a polish openmoko wiki? (smirk) |
| 17:50.38 | ScaredyCat | what happened with the gps stuff, I thought it was "any day now" |
| 17:50.42 | bmidgley | with the chroot docs http://www.openmoko.org.pl/node/55 |
| 17:51.35 | bmidgley | more of a blog, but it's a great recipe for hiding something |
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| 17:53.58 | mickey|tw | ScaredyCat: pending someone writing an EULA... legal stuff always takes ages |
| 17:55.05 | XorA|gone | we could just shoot all the worlds lawyers and speed up proceses |
| 17:56.21 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 17:56.22 | mickey|tw | indeed |
| 17:56.30 | ScaredyCat | well, that would be gogod |
| 17:56.36 | ScaredyCat | it's that old joke |
| 17:56.54 | ScaredyCat | what do you call 200 lawyers at the bottom of the sea? |
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| 17:57.01 | ScaredyCat | a good start. |
| 17:57.04 | mickey|tw | heh |
| 17:57.06 | mickey|tw | fun |
| 17:59.19 | ScaredyCat | how is taiwan mickey|tw ? better weather this time? |
| 17:59.34 | mickey|tw | much better |
| 17:59.41 | mickey|tw | twenty-something degree and reasonable humidity |
| 17:59.51 | mickey|tw | less air condition everywhere |
| 18:00.05 | mickey|tw | and being here the 2nd time puts less stress on me |
| 18:00.11 | mickey|tw | since most is known |
| 18:00.21 | ScaredyCat | :) good to hear... |
| 18:00.23 | mickey|tw | so i can concentrate on the work |
| 18:00.30 | ScaredyCat | just watch out for ninjas ;) |
| 18:00.34 | mickey|tw | hehehe |
| 18:00.39 | ScaredyCat | they might be videoing you |
| 18:00.42 | mickey|tw | :D |
| 18:00.56 | mickey|tw | i'm afraid not this time... new management might qualify this as "time-consuming and wasted" |
| 18:00.57 | mickey|tw | *cough* |
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| 18:01.10 | mickey|tw | oops, did i say that? |
| 18:01.11 | ScaredyCat | new management? |
| 18:01.57 | bmidgley | sean mentioned a reorg a while back |
| 18:02.00 | mickey|tw | well... restructuration of steering team |
| 18:02.05 | mickey|tw | new command chains... |
| 18:02.13 | ScaredyCat | surely getting a developer to sort an office move is more 'wasted time' ..? |
| 18:02.28 | ScaredyCat | ahh ok. |
| 18:02.57 | ScaredyCat | well, so long as they don't get in your way it's good :) |
| 18:03.11 | mickey|tw | this is where the problem starts.... ;) |
| 18:03.24 | mickey|tw | well, lets see :) |
| 18:03.49 | bmidgley | mickey|tw normally mickey|europe? |
| 18:03.50 | ScaredyCat | back home? |
| 18:04.20 | mickey|tw | bmidgley: right |
| 18:04.35 | mickey|tw | ScaredyCat: no no, next week (tomorrow, actually) the steering discussions get started |
| 18:04.42 | mickey|tw | back home on 30th of Oct. |
| 18:04.52 | ScaredyCat | ahhh .. |
| 18:05.19 | mickey|tw | eeks |
| 18:05.20 | mickey|tw | nasty |
| 18:05.21 | ewon | ee |
| 18:05.41 | ScaredyCat | not so bad, at that time of night there's not much traffic.. |
| 18:05.57 | mickey|tw | don't fancy taking the train? |
| 18:05.59 | CM | ScaredyCat: If the road is good it's ok |
| 18:06.09 | bmidgley | when I saw gllin was 1.7MB I though for sure that meant it was statically linked |
| 18:06.16 | bmidgley | too bad |
| 18:06.26 | ScaredyCat | well, Belgian roads get crappy, but you can 'floor it' there :) |
| 18:07.19 | ScaredyCat | 1000mk is a lot CM |
| 18:07.22 | ScaredyCat | km |
| 18:07.30 | ScaredyCat | how often do you visit? |
| 18:07.43 | ScaredyCat | 'never' doens't count... you bad son :) |
| 18:08.21 | ScaredyCat | mickey|tw: isn't it a little late to start steering the project now? |
| 18:08.22 | ScaredyCat | ;) |
| 18:10.19 | CM | ScaredyCat: Maybe 3 times a year.. :D |
| 18:10.43 | CM | ScaredyCat: But my girlfriend lives in Stockholm, and that's about 500km away, and I've been driving there almost every other weekend.. |
| 18:11.23 | ScaredyCat | yeah, but your motives aren't pure - are they :) |
| 18:11.25 | CM | mickey|tw: Just curious, what's at the top of your todo-list for openmoko right now? :) |
| 18:13.19 | mickey|tw | offhand |
| 18:13.29 | mickey|tw | snapshot release with working toolchain |
| 18:13.37 | mickey|tw | oabi-gllin release |
| 18:13.50 | mickey|tw | dbus service level architecture |
| 18:14.03 | CM | Sounds very nice :) |
| 18:14.15 | mickey|tw | and then ten million tiny issues |
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| 18:14.42 | mickey|tw | ScaredyCat: you would think so ;) no, seriously, it's some changes in important positions that can mean more focus but also more friction |
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| 18:15.50 | mickey|tw | i would love to get back to UI and toolkit stuff |
| 18:16.03 | mickey|tw | but it looks like that has to wait some more months |
| 18:16.44 | mickey|tw | i'm glad XorA|gone is now on board to releave me from day-to-day OE issues |
| 18:16.50 | mickey|tw | release, even |
| 18:17.27 | ozarka | I have a question that I couldn't find an answer to in the wiki |
| 18:17.48 | mickey|tw | go ahead... you have 2 minutes until i pass out |
| 18:17.59 | ozarka | I've downloaded and flashed the kernal and rootfs |
| 18:18.21 | ozarka | But I keep seeing this modules.tgz thing |
| 18:18.28 | ozarka | What can I do with that? |
| 18:18.55 | mickey|tw | just ignore it. it's a tarball with all kernel modules and not just the few ones that are installed in your rootfs |
| 18:19.07 | mickey|tw | you rootfs won't be big enough |
| 18:19.17 | mickey|tw | but it may assist when you want to update the kernel |
| 18:19.22 | gamin | gpe-gallery is off by one pixel in full screen mode, isn't it? |
| 18:19.24 | ozarka | OK. THanks |
| 18:19.26 | mickey|tw | or want to play with some kernel modules |
| 18:19.34 | mickey|tw | gamin: could be, yeah |
| 18:19.47 | mickey|tw | g'night (02:19 here) |
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| 18:20.33 | ScaredyCat | Godzilla! |
| 18:20.39 | ScaredyCat | nite |
| 18:21.01 | CM | ScaredyCat: Man it's hard work trying to be social and still maintain your Nerd God status! :-P |
| 18:21.26 | cb22 | irc from a bar? |
| 18:21.33 | cb22 | like roh :p |
| 18:22.04 | ScaredyCat | lol CM |
| 18:22.17 | ScaredyCat | you can't be a nerd god AND go to parties |
| 18:22.25 | ScaredyCat | one or the other |
| 18:22.39 | ckuethe | sure you can. that's what the god part is about |
| 18:22.47 | ckuethe | otherwise you're just a grand high wizard or something |
| 18:26.00 | afoo | check out the hack party on upcoming.org |
| 18:26.16 | afoo | maybe a combination or some kind of nerdiness and parties |
| 18:26.55 | afoo | Question, trying to go through the USB_Networking page, and using a macosx |
| 18:27.14 | afoo | I am at the ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 line on the deskto |
| 18:27.45 | afoo | however, the message is interface usb0 does not exist, how do I figure out what is the name of the usb that the neo is connected to? |
| 18:27.47 | cb22 | like people hacking with hot naked chicks walking around? |
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| 18:28.50 | abraxa__ | cb22: Anyone who does that cannot be a man. Hot naked chicks walking around? Screw hacking! |
| 18:29.16 | abraxa_ | afoo: Is there ifconfig on OSX? |
| 18:29.22 | cb22 | abraxa_, well, i for one agree with that... but i'm sure there are some people here who would take the hacking :p |
| 18:29.44 | afoo | yes |
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| 18:30.03 | afoo | abraxa_: bsd back-end on macosx |
| 18:30.20 | abraxa_ | afoo: Ah sorry, I have zero experience with that :) |
| 18:30.58 | afoo | abraxa_: a lot I have to learn about unix commands |
| 18:30.58 | cb22 | afoo, try cdce0 |
| 18:31.05 | cb22 | thats what it is on freebsd |
| 18:31.07 | cb22 | or |
| 18:31.10 | cb22 | try ifconfig -l |
| 18:31.16 | cb22 | and paste here, should only be one line |
| 18:31.28 | afoo | lo0 gif0 stf0 en0 en1 wlt1 fw0 en21 |
| 18:32.06 | cb22 | is that with your neo plugged in? |
| 18:32.19 | afoo | cb22: yes, with the neo plugged in and turned on |
| 18:32.28 | cb22 | ok, now unplug it and rerun the command |
| 18:32.48 | afoo | cb22: lo0 gif0 stf0 en0 en1 wlt1 fw0 |
| 18:32.55 | afoo | ah... I see, so it is en21 |
| 18:32.59 | cb22 | looks like it |
| 18:33.12 | Vegar | what voltage could a phone's vibrator possibly run at? |
| 18:33.18 | afoo | cb22: great, thanks, learned a little more today |
| 18:33.27 | cb22 | no problem :) |
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| 18:34.29 | mjr | Yay, x11vnc was packaged. I can shoot the Neo screen onto a screen from my lappie :) |
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| 19:24.17 | BryceLeo | ello all |
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| 19:57.39 | matsimoto | I forgot the command for switching the virbration on. Was something like echo 1 > /proc/... does anbpdy knows the complete path ? |
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| 20:01.47 | cesarb_ | matsimoto: I don't remember it too, but it's somewhere in /sys |
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| 20:02.50 | matsimoto | cesarb_: thanx, I will take a look at sys may be I find it by its name |
| 20:03.28 | cesarb_ | matsimoto: google "openmoko vibrator /sys" |
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| 20:08.08 | matsimoto | cesarb_: just for your records: echo 255 > /sys/class/leds/gta01\:vibrator/brightness is the path ... fresh google ;) thanx again. |
| 20:11.29 | abraxa_ | Hmm... webkit fails to compile for lots of peeps still and yet no one filed a bug report in OE or OM bugzilla? Am I just blind or is that really so? |
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| 20:22.07 | matsimoto | abraxa_: I deleted everything and rebuilded the whole tree. No errors for me. Just a few day ago. |
| 20:23.27 | abraxa_ | That really reminds me of my Comp Sci teacher back in middle school. |
| 20:24.05 | abraxa_ | No matter what was wrong with the computer - the solution always was to format the hard disk, re-install windows, all drivers and all applications. |
| 20:24.14 | abraxa_ | Then it was fixed. Or so he hoped. |
| 20:24.50 | matsimoto | abraxa_: hmm, someone here points out that he has to clean rebuild icu ... but this does not worked for me. |
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| 21:15.27 | rwhitby | mjr: usb bluetooth adapter too |
| 21:17.06 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 21:17.20 | SpeedEvil | The wifi adaptor is connected over the internal SD bus. |
| 21:17.38 | SpeedEvil | The memory card is now connected to the video chip |
| 21:18.09 | cb30 | SpeedEvil, i think they meant you could use it as a wireless / bluetooth pass through for your PC |
| 21:19.02 | don-o | its pretty darn flexable |
| 21:19.33 | rwhitby | the NSLU2 is also acting as a hardware firewall for the hotel ethernet connection |
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| 21:20.56 | rwhitby | on this trip, it is firewall, bluetooth access point, Treo650 charger, ipod charger, neo charger, neo usbnet router, ... |
| 21:21.07 | abraxa_ | rwhitby: I'm sure he'll turn them into a fission power plant one day, too ;) |
| 21:22.01 | rwhitby | just have to get this zydas usb wifi stick working as an AP and then I can have wireless access for my n800 via the nslu2 too. |
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| 21:22.31 | rwhitby | (the hotel has only wired ethernet, no wireless, which means I can't do voip with the n800) |
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| 21:55.18 | BryceLeo | rwhitby: isn' |
| 21:55.37 | BryceLeo | rwhitby: isn't nslu2 just a OS which hardware are you running it on? |
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| 21:58.41 | abraxa_ | BryceLeo: http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1118334819312&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper |
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| 22:01.25 | BryceLeo | oh wow, hmm, i hath failed with google |
| 22:01.58 | BryceLeo | thanks for the link |
| 22:02.19 | BryceLeo | ahh ok, now i know why i didn't figure that out, |
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| 22:02.49 | abraxa_ | Yup, and rwhitby runs nslu2-linux.org - it's his mobile swiss knife for IT now ;) |
| 22:03.29 | abraxa_ | (mine, too, actually...) |
| 22:04.45 | BryceLeo | haha yes i was able to find the page and have been clicking around about the hardware and whatnot, but the nslu hardware has no link for info about it so my eyes glossed over it |
| 22:04.45 | BryceLeo | it looks really cool |
| 22:04.47 | BryceLeo | that's for sure |
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| 23:09.02 | cesarb | rwhitby: I just found something (http://wiki.darcs.net/DarcsWiki/Tailor) which claims to be able to convert from mtn to git. Just FYI. |
| 23:09.36 | CM | Hehe |
| 23:10.42 | aevin | did someone say bzr? |
| 23:11.08 | BryceLeo | lol yes aevin i just heard that as well |
| 23:11.09 | aevin | (bring your own favorite) |
| 23:11.24 | BryceLeo | i love git but re-name tracking is something i require |
| 23:11.54 | cesarb | BryceLeo: just use git-svn: the worst of both worlds! |
| 23:12.00 | cesarb | (sorry, couldn't resist) |
| 23:12.43 | BryceLeo | lmao...git-svn? linus must have wanted to die a little |
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| 23:13.46 | cesarb | BryceLeo: actually, it's pretty cool if you want to have the full svn revision history (plus checked-out HEAD) in a format which uses less disk space than a svn working copy |
| 23:14.02 | abraxa_ | cesarb: Actually even the OE folks consider changing the SCM. http://www.openembedded.org/oedem2007.minutes has some hints. |
| 23:14.14 | cesarb | BryceLeo: as long as you are willing to pay the price, which is a multi-hour download (slower than most svn operations) |
| 23:14.34 | BryceLeo | cesarb: yes but then don't you lose the whole distributed nature of git? |
| 23:14.40 | cesarb | BryceLeo: avoid git-svnimport: it's even slower! |
| 23:14.53 | BryceLeo | hahaha |
| 23:14.57 | BryceLeo | well that's certainly out of the choice then |
| 23:15.49 | cesarb | BryceLeo: if you want to use git-svn for commiting back to svn, you do lose part of git's distributed nature... but if all you want is a read-only copy (or a git-using fork), you don't lose anything (other than your time) |
| 23:16.10 | CM | abraxa_: Btw, usualy it's qmake2-native that makes webkit-gtk fail |
| 23:16.31 | abraxa_ | CM: Thanks for the hint, I'll try that |
| 23:16.55 | CM | My general tip so far has been to make people run: bitbake -c rebuild qmake2-native icu; bitbake -c rebuild webkit-gtk |
| 23:17.08 | BryceLeo | cesarb: ahh ok, that's pretty interesting. I love distributed systems, my friend steve and i, have a pretty irregular alternatinon for who's bzr branch is the main dev one |
| 23:18.11 | BryceLeo | and also we have two good working copies instead of all our eggs in one basket |
| 23:19.21 | BryceLeo | it's obvoiusly not perfect but it works for us |
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| 23:20.22 | aevin | ah, so you *did* actually hear it -- it wasn't just me, then. |
| 23:20.51 | cesarb | I have noticed that more and more projects are considering distributed source tracking... for instance, just found http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-scm-interest/ |
| 23:22.34 | gamin | openmoko-mediaplayer stopped working. In the build from the 17th it worked. |
| 23:25.25 | BryceLeo | cesarb: hmmm, that's going to be a heck of a discussion |
| 23:25.36 | BryceLeo | didn't kde have that big switch from cvs to svn a few years ago? |
| 23:25.36 | CM | gamin: Bug abraxa_ about it ;) |
| 23:26.20 | cesarb | BryceLeo: see http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-scm-interest/2007-September/000003.html which mentions both ;-) |
| 23:26.37 | gamin | CM: am just reflashing... |
| 23:27.06 | BryceLeo | lol, oh man, that's gonna be a heck of a list |
| 23:27.24 | cesarb | BryceLeo: actually, it seems pretty sedate |
| 23:27.34 | BryceLeo | they really wont go wrong with, git, bzr, mercurial, they'll just need to do the same re-hashing of current processes |
| 23:27.36 | cesarb | BryceLeo: perhaps I'm too used to lkml-level madness |
| 23:28.18 | BryceLeo | hahaha lkml is definately pandemonium however you're right, it's not nearly as fervent as i expected |
| 23:28.53 | gamin | all a question of defination |
| 23:28.56 | BryceLeo | i'm a bzr fan, but really with a project the size of kde, mercurial, bzr, git, heck even mtn would all be good |
| 23:30.24 | CM | Henryk: Did you see http://mkestner.blogspot.com/2007/10/moko-bindings.html |
| 23:30.41 | BryceLeo | cesarb: do you have a vcs preference |
| 23:30.43 | BryceLeo | ?* |
| 23:30.59 | Henryk | CM: yes, koen posted it this morning in #OE. |
| 23:31.16 | CM | Ah, ok. Guess I'm a bit slow :) |
| 23:31.48 | cesarb | BryceLeo: mostly svn or git, slowly moving in the direction of "git" |
| 23:32.03 | Henryk | CM: mothing to include, though: the author explicitly requires programmers to simply copy it into their project, because the API isn't stable and installing in the GAC wouldn't make any sense. (And no autotools *grr*) |
| 23:32.17 | Henryk | CM: Will have to look at it when libmokoui goes stable |
| 23:32.27 | cesarb | BryceLeo: svn is great, since it fixes cvs's most annoying mistakes... but there's no way it can beat git in sheer speed and space use |
| 23:32.47 | CM | Henryk: Sounds reasonable. |
| 23:32.52 | cesarb | BryceLeo: what's funny is that git as originally designed was the most space-wasting of them all, and nowadays it's one of the least space-using! |
| 23:33.03 | CM | Henryk: How fast is mono on the Neo? I haven't gotten around to trying it yet |
| 23:33.39 | BryceLeo | cesarb: yes, i know what you mean, for school i had to use cvs for a few projects, and the move to svn was a blessing, i'm however stuck on distributed vcs's because i like free backups, cheap branching, and the ability to pull what i want from whichever person has it done. |
| 23:34.29 | BryceLeo | cesarb: yes that is awesome how it's been much worked over on space saving, i hear that torvalds guy knows a thing or two lol, though if you hear him talk, he knows everything |
| 23:34.46 | cesarb | BryceLeo: I will probably tend fully in the direction of git for personal use, however I'm still not familiar enough with it (while with works-almost-the-same-as-cvs-only-even-simpler svn I was already familiar from the beginning) |
| 23:35.03 | Henryk | CM: somewhat longish startup time (feels like 5 to 10 seconds, didn't measure) but should be fine after that. I currently don't have much user experience either because https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=323747 is a blocker for me |
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| 23:36.06 | BryceLeo | cesarb: heh, yeah, it took me a pretty good while to move over to bzr, just can't be the feel of what you're familiar with |
| 23:36.11 | abraxa_ | gamin: What doesn't work about it? |
| 23:36.52 | abraxa_ | CM: Thanks, webkit did compile now... :) |
| 23:36.57 | cesarb | also, there's one small problem with git: linus simply doesn't care at all about ms-windows, and it shows |
| 23:36.58 | CM | Henryk: Ouch, nasty bug |
| 23:36.59 | gamin | abraxa_, only a message that some gst should be installed which however is there |
| 23:37.31 | BryceLeo | cesarb: i've heard that the newest updates don't even work in cygwin |
| 23:37.32 | gamin | abraxa_: the wording of the message has slightly changed in the last 5 days or so |
| 23:37.32 | abraxa_ | gamin: Yeah, I heard about this... it's actually missing other gst plugins like the playbin and volume adjuster |
| 23:37.33 | cesarb | (not a problem at home, since I don't have ms-windows at all, but when working with other people it definitely can be an issue) |
| 23:37.52 | BryceLeo | cesarb: haha yes, my house is windows free as well, however the office is not |
| 23:37.55 | gamin | abraxa_: I have installed everything that starts with gst |
| 23:38.05 | Henryk | abraxa_: how about, like, making them dependencies of openmoko-mediaplayer2? |
| 23:38.24 | abraxa_ | Henryk: I wanted to, mickey wants them as dependencies for openmoko-soundsystem |
| 23:38.38 | abraxa_ | (which is fair enough if it works) |
| 23:38.38 | Henryk | abraxa_: actually both, then |
| 23:38.59 | abraxa_ | Yeah, I'll have to bug XorA|gone again |
| 23:39.07 | cesarb | At work is about half windows/half linux (with some random macos sometimes surfacing in the mix)... Some coworkers were playing with ubuntu's new compiz yesterday :D |
| 23:39.07 | gamin | just finished reflashing with an image from 17/10 and there it works out of the box |
| 23:39.08 | abraxa_ | (actually tried but failed today) |
| 23:39.19 | gamin | albeit too much cpu |
| 23:39.36 | BryceLeo | cesarb: haha though by reading a bunch of this discussion about the kde scm debate, i'm starting to take a harder and harder look at mercurial. |
| 23:40.01 | BryceLeo | cesarb: haha, my work is 90% windows desktops 10% linux desktops, linux/windows/netware servers, it's a bit hodgepodge |
| 23:40.10 | BryceLeo | lol, the new ubuntu is buggy as all getout |
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| 23:40.17 | Kero | where did the screenshot button go in the menu that pops up after 4 secs power button? |
| 23:40.19 | BryceLeo | i put it on par with windows 2000 with no service packs |
| 23:40.22 | abraxa_ | gamin: Try an "ipkg install gst-plugin-playbin gst-plugin-volume gst-plugin-decodebin", please |
| 23:40.34 | abraxa_ | gamin: Ah never mind, you flashed a different image :) |
| 23:40.51 | BryceLeo | i've completely killed x in such a way that i can't go to VC's or restart it with ctrl+alt+backspace about 5 times within the last 2 days |
| 23:40.54 | abraxa_ | Kero: It's the aux button, not power :) |
| 23:40.58 | cesarb | BryceLeo: the timezone data for gutsy was wrong (Brazil's crazy summer time start/end dates again), but the update is already out |
| 23:41.01 | Henryk | Kero: moved to the aux button |
| 23:41.06 | gamin | abraxa_: I'll reflash later to a new one I just build |
| 23:41.09 | Kero | ah, ok! thx! |
| 23:41.22 | gamin | abraxa_: I'll let you know if it works |
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| 23:41.57 | BryceLeo | cesarb: yeah, i would have liked to see this release pushed back another month or so. |
| 23:41.58 | gamin | the pen is 6$ on ebay w/ shipping included |
| 23:42.22 | Henryk | hmm, I set up a buildhost the other day (on the 17th) and simply picked the ubuntu with the highest number. didn't know that 7.10 was not yet released then, I simply installed it |
| 23:42.34 | gamin | I'm constantly playing with the light and the laser... |
| 23:42.37 | BryceLeo | cesarb: i wait a day, look for any major problems with my hardware, and if there are none i pull the trigger, i've got a pretty solid re-build system down so to get back to my previous state is only about 2 hours of hands off work |
| 23:43.46 | cesarb | BryceLeo: well, my hardware *is* problematic, so I already expect it to crash, like it did on 6.10->7.04 (the update manager installed cpufreq, which crashes the CPU) |
| 23:44.48 | cesarb | BryceLeo: not to mention the 3D acceleration, which locks up the box if used too much (so compiz will probably be a minefield for me) |
| 23:44.51 | BryceLeo | cesarb: ahhh, i've got a thinkpad, and one of them supported dell machines, and my desktops are actually running dapper because they're more servers than desktops now |
| 23:45.00 | BryceLeo | cesarb: what sort of hardware do you have? |
| 23:45.51 | cesarb | BryceLeo: 2GHz AMD64 with a X550 passive-cooled GPU |
| 23:46.07 | BryceLeo | cesarb: i've got the intel integrated with the open drivers and it locks up, crashes, dies, redraws half my screen, redraws alternating lines in my screen.... it's pretty kludgey sometimes |
| 23:46.17 | BryceLeo | cesarb: nice setup, who makes the mobo? |
| 23:46.20 | berkus | anybody succeeded running latest qtopia build (10/19)? |
| 23:46.42 | cesarb | BryceLeo: Asus M2V |
| 23:47.00 | BryceLeo | i've notices some asus boards that do funky things |
| 23:47.21 | BryceLeo | like my dad's you have to turn it on, wait for it to fail to go to grub, then ctrl+alt+del and then it'll start up and go to grub like nothing is wrong |
| 23:47.58 | BryceLeo | i figured bios upgrade was needed, did it, and still the same issue |
| 23:48.06 | cesarb | BryceLeo: well, as the asr mantra (IIRC, I'm not 100% sure it's the asr mantra) says, "All hardware sucks, all software sucks" |
| 23:48.32 | BryceLeo | the best part of the compiz-fusion is the zoom, it's just a fantastic tool. LMAO, that mantra regardless of who's it is, is very very true. |
| 23:48.47 | Henryk | ok, got to get some sleep now |
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| 23:49.27 | BryceLeo | but Henryk it's only 8:00! |
| 23:49.34 | BryceLeo | well, around 8 |
| 23:49.57 | gamin | hmm, 22% cpu idle but openmoko-mediaplayer still stumbles.. |
| 23:50.29 | cesarb | Yeah, it seems that sentence comes from asr |
| 23:50.41 | cesarb | ~ugt |
| 23:50.42 | apt | from memory, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 23:50.59 | Kero | hmf. I hate spontaneous reboots... empty battery or bug? |
| 23:50.59 | Henryk | BryceLeo: got to get up in about 7 hours to get to the second part of the content meeting for the next chaos communication congress |
| 23:52.00 | CM | It's soon 2 am here :) |
| 23:52.04 | BryceLeo | Henryk: well that sure sounds like a busy day! good luck and have fun! |
| 23:52.18 | gamin | madplay uses just 19% cpu. mediaplayer 48% + 25% pulseaudio. |