| 00:02.42 | linux_galore | www.openmoko.org look at the wiki site |
| 00:03.25 | linux_galore | the wiki has status information |
| 00:03.34 | ColdFyre | yeah, lacks the info i was wondering aobut |
| 00:03.40 | ColdFyre | in the detail |
| 00:04.51 | linux_galore | ColdFyre: welcome to development land, I work for a company that makes products too and I have samples and not a clue when it will be finalised lol |
| 00:05.07 | ColdFyre | haha |
| 00:05.18 | ColdFyre | i guess i'll have to wait when the big day comes i guess |
| 00:05.40 | linux_galore | thats pretty normal, there are always hurdles and suppliers dont like giving exact dates for parts |
| 00:06.19 | ColdFyre | i wasnt looking for for an eta, i was just looking for things like "we got dialing working perfect today!" |
| 00:06.48 | linux_galore | ColdFyre: last I heard it dials but its not stable |
| 00:08.06 | linux_galore | ColdFyre: best bet is to read the opemmoko planet dev posts, you get some idea of were the product is |
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| 00:08.32 | ColdFyre | i do, they are mostly random odd things:) |
| 00:08.47 | ColdFyre | "today i was thinking about floppy disks" |
| 00:08.53 | linux_galore | lol |
| 00:09.11 | linux_galore | Floppy disk Ninja star hack |
| 00:09.19 | ColdFyre | haha, leet |
| 00:10.01 | linux_galore | for all thos budding Ninja Geeks, you dont hear them or see them, your system just seems to get fixed |
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| 00:10.05 | linux_galore | those* |
| 00:16.45 | Henryk | re |
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| 00:40.06 | mac000 | hi |
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| 00:43.25 | mac000 | how are u? |
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| 00:44.00 | mac000 | how are u ? |
| 00:44.10 | mac000 | & how u doing ? |
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| 01:35.46 | iew | has anyone had success with the debug board |
| 01:36.27 | iew | my copy of openocd fails in jtag_examine_chain() |
| 01:38.17 | Sr|Raven | dont wanna be a pain in the butt or so,but are there even rumours on a neo1973 successor ? |
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| 01:45.51 | cesarb | iew: never actually tried to use mine, but I've heard it fails unless you power on the phone manually (jtag cannot do the poweron itself) |
| 01:47.54 | nelson | raster: hi. |
| 01:48.24 | raster | nelson: moo moo |
| 01:56.36 | nelson | raster: how's life? Better than death so far? |
| 01:58.45 | raster | life is busy.... but good :) |
| 01:59.01 | BryceLeo | speaking of, raster, you decided to get a new job yet or still just enjoying the freedom? |
| 01:59.43 | raster | i never do anything without a plan :) |
| 02:00.02 | BryceLeo | haha, i know, i was just checking to see what stage your plan's at |
| 02:00.29 | BryceLeo | besides, i can't for a second believe you'd have a problem in the world finding a job |
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| 02:00.35 | ljp | do you plan your breaths and heartbeats? |
| 02:01.06 | raster | BryceLeo: it's easy to have a problem finding a job. you can be too picky :) |
| 02:01.40 | BryceLeo | hahaha, my buddy eppy had that problem, eventually settled at the Institute of Advanced Study heading up their security |
| 02:01.43 | raster | ljp: mostly.. :) |
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| 02:03.14 | nelson | IAS is nice, but you have to live in New Jersey. |
| 02:03.34 | BryceLeo | nelson: you'd be amazed at how nice jersey actually is, |
| 02:03.41 | sagacis_ | hola |
| 02:03.50 | raster | dunno |
| 02:03.52 | BryceLeo | it's not at all like trenton and camden |
| 02:03.55 | raster | its in the states |
| 02:04.03 | raster | that pretty much puts it out of scope :) |
| 02:04.04 | sagacis_ | At the risk of being OT, I can't boot my neo anymore without going through the boot menu |
| 02:04.37 | BryceLeo | haha raster i figured as much |
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| 02:05.18 | nelson | Used to be a trolley line going right past IAS from downtown Princeton. |
| 02:05.24 | nelson | Now THAT would be convenient. |
| 02:06.25 | BryceLeo | lol, that would be nice, unless you didn't live in trenton, i'm not much of a princeton fan |
| 02:06.37 | BryceLeo | give me the more country atomosphere of west amwell |
| 02:06.47 | nelson | Ahhhh, that was the trolley *to* Trenton. |
| 02:07.02 | nelson | There were two; one north and the other south of 209 |
| 02:07.37 | BryceLeo | heh, that's before my time |
| 02:08.01 | nelson | mine too, although you used to be able to see the trolley tracks in the street in front of the library. |
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| 02:08.32 | BryceLeo | the library at the university or the new one |
| 02:08.47 | nelson | the boro library. |
| 02:09.34 | nelson | There also used to be a whopping huge railroad yard south of the university; six or seven tracks. |
| 02:09.35 | BryceLeo | the one that got redone recently? |
| 02:09.43 | BryceLeo | abandoned? |
| 02:09.51 | nelson | That was for the Princeton football games. |
| 02:10.18 | BryceLeo | wow |
| 02:10.22 | nelson | And did you know that Carnegie lake is totally artificial? Some rich alumni had it built for the rowing club. |
| 02:10.43 | BryceLeo | haha, i knew that one, |
| 02:10.48 | nelson | They used to row on the canal. Imagine flimsy rowing boats in with canal boats?!? |
| 02:11.10 | BryceLeo | lol.... that sounds a bit dangerous |
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| 02:49.37 | spikebike | gphone rumors are driving me crazy |
| 02:49.48 | nelson | Did you say gphone?!?! |
| 02:50.07 | nelson | i heard they were going to buy out the FIC. |
| 02:50.14 | no_mind | well rumors say official announcement is due on nov 5 |
| 02:50.27 | nelson | actually I just made that one up. Aren't rumors fun? |
| 02:50.41 | spikebike | most rumors seem to center on initial hardware being htc |
| 02:51.06 | spikebike | would seem strange for google to get into the hardware business |
| 02:51.30 | nelson | I thought that htc made ALL handheld electronics. |
| 02:51.43 | rwhitby | google won't make hardware, they will make an OS that works on any phone that WinMobile works on |
| 02:51.45 | spikebike | yeah, popular brandless maker |
| 02:51.55 | spikebike | rhitby yeah that makes sense |
| 02:52.05 | spikebike | er w |
| 02:52.49 | nelson | but I expect that the announcement will be "here's the software and ... here's the hardware from $FOO on which the software already runs" |
| 02:52.56 | spikebike | right |
| 02:53.01 | nelson | At which point they step back and get out of the way of the scramble. |
| 02:53.21 | spikebike | I heard some initial noise about phone being based on openmoko.. not sure if that was just wishful thinking |
| 02:53.42 | spikebike | yeah there's plenty of cool windows mobile phones to pick from |
| 02:54.02 | nelson | yeah, and who wouldn't want to partner with teh b0rg? |
| 02:54.39 | spikebike | I'd say 99% of what I'd justify paying for data on a cell phone for is google related |
| 02:55.11 | spikebike | (gmail, gmaps, gsat, search, travel routing, etc) |
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| 02:56.51 | nelson | well, but .... also ... having the ability to run my own software, too. |
| 02:59.08 | no_mind | google is seriously targeting the free spectrum |
| 02:59.26 | no_mind | 700 one |
| 02:59.37 | no_mind | so that goole can start selling its own devices |
| 02:59.49 | no_mind | google appliance mobile |
| 03:02.06 | nelson | 700 mhz spectrum isn't going to be free!! |
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| 03:02.23 | nelson | Or do you mean "available" rather than "zero cost"? |
| 03:03.58 | tRubl | I just noticed a 'neo1973' build in /images and the gta01 is still there. Is this for the 02? |
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| 03:12.40 | no_mind | nelson, available |
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| 04:04.35 | TylerOderkirk | fugazy: i'm getting the same 'Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-openmoko-ui: xserver-kdrive-common' error as you mentioned before |
| 04:04.56 | TylerOderkirk | tried 'make build-package-xserver-kdrive-common' no joy |
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| 04:18.03 | Henryk | yes, that's a current problem. |
| 04:18.54 | Henryk | TylerOderkirk: as a hotfix edit openembedded/packages/xserver-kdrive-common/xserver-kdrive-common_0.1.bb and put a # in front of the line that reads PACKAGE_ARCH_openmoko = "openmoko" |
| 04:19.34 | Henryk | Then make rebuild-package-xserver-kdrive-common (or bitbake -c rebuild xserver-kdrive-common) and it should work after that |
| 04:20.49 | Henryk | mickeyl introduced that line two days ago. I'm not sure what it's supposed to do, so I don't know whether this is the right fix. but it will at least make the image build |
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| 04:26.10 | TylerOderkirk | that was the last hurdle :] much thanks Henryk |
| 04:27.03 | TylerOderkirk | now... sleep or load this new root img? heh |
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| 04:34.57 | mellon | Has anybody tried using the debug board with Mac OS X? |
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| 04:56.23 | blindcoder | moin |
| 04:59.10 | CM | morning :) |
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| 05:03.48 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3212 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-backlight.patch: remove dynamic pclk-dependent backlight pwm counter calculation, sicne it no longer works with new pwm api |
| 05:04.53 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3213 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta02-core.patch: |
| 05:04.53 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * GTA02: work around a race condition between usb detection and pmu driver |
| 05:04.53 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * GTA02: add (untested) wifi power-up code statically at boot time |
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| 05:14.30 | un1x | hi guys |
| 05:15.40 | un1x | I'm trying to get openmoko working on host with xephyr...but i'm having problems with compiling uboot |
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| 05:19.52 | CM | un1x: You shouldn't need uboot if you're going to run in xephyr |
| 05:20.24 | un1x | CM, i just followed the step make openmoko-devel-image...how can I exclude it? |
| 05:21.18 | CM | Hmm.. I'm not sure where it is, but it's a dependancy in some .bb file that pulls it in. There's people here who know more about it, but there's not so many awake yet |
| 05:22.45 | un1x | another weard thing is that I have configured BUILD_ARCH ="i686" but when making the openmoko-deve-image it takes somehow i486 |
| 05:23.33 | CM | Yes, that's weird, and I've heard more people having that issue |
| 05:23.48 | CM | I never got native to build in 64bit and used qemu instead |
| 05:24.27 | un1x | in the config it is BUILD_ARCH and during the making process it shows TARGET_ARCH ? |
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| 05:29.49 | un1x | CM, how are you using openmoko on your pc? |
| 05:31.30 | CM | un1x: I have a Neo1973 |
| 05:31.36 | CM | But before that I used qemu |
| 05:31.38 | un1x | luky you :) |
| 05:32.02 | CM | But qemu is slow, much slower than the neo |
| 05:32.13 | CM | I have an fairly old comp though |
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| 05:32.38 | un1x | guess I'll try to install it on qemu... |
| 05:36.08 | un1x | hf |
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| 05:46.17 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 05:46.59 | cdm | hey |
| 05:47.01 | cdm | how's it going? |
| 05:49.26 | Hopscotch | wellwell... |
| 05:49.31 | Hopscotch | too early to decide |
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| 05:59.03 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3214 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta02-core.patch: fix GTA02 led definitions and resource names |
| 06:00.51 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3215 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (uboot-20061030-neo1973.patch uboot-gta02.patch): Add GTA02 LED switching code to u-boot |
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| 06:15.41 | CM | Where are the leds on the gta02? |
| 06:16.06 | CM | Is the cover changed from gta01? |
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| 06:26.42 | cjb_ie | CM: i think someone said they use exactly the same plastics on 01 and 02 |
| 06:27.05 | CM | cjb_ie: That's what I thought too, hence the led questions :) |
| 06:27.12 | CM | Maybe in the buttons? |
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| 06:30.11 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3216 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-s3c2442.patch: Add S3C2442B54 (500Mhz) core clock support to cmd_s3c24xx |
| 06:30.28 | CM | Ohhh.. Overclocking.. ;) |
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| 06:37.04 | linux_galore | mm Nokia N810 due out next month http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/17/nokia-n810-gets-official/ |
| 06:37.33 | CM | linux_galore: http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/18/what-the-nokia-n810-means-for-maemo-developers/ |
| 06:37.58 | CM | And yes.. Looks really sweet. Wonder what the battery time is |
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| 06:44.27 | linux_galore | hands on review of the N810 http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/17/nokia-n810-hands-on/ |
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| 06:47.02 | guaqua | nokia might be getting that magical one thing right here |
| 06:47.05 | Batalyx | is there a collection of "things to remember when you try to build openmoko on fedora 6 running on 64bit dual core amd machine" or a FAQ-answer "what linux distro to use on amd 64bit dual core to compile openmoko"? ;) |
| 06:47.51 | guaqua | wiki has info on what packages to install on which distro |
| 06:51.22 | CM | Batalyx: And 64-bit is no problem, many use it |
| 06:52.30 | Batalyx | yes, that's the easy part :) I've got the system compiled using openmoko, but when I update-setup-make-kernelled, the compilation hung up on webkit. a fresh compilation hungs up on task-openmoko-ui missing xserver-kdrive-common. |
| 06:52.58 | CM | Batalyx: Try updating again |
| 06:53.09 | Batalyx | CM: I'm eager to say that fedora 6 is the problem, but that is a biased opinion... |
| 06:53.21 | Batalyx | CM: I will... |
| 06:53.33 | CM | I think mickeyl was ding something with xserver-kdrive yesterday, and webkit always gives trouble |
| 06:53.40 | ScaredyCat | meep |
| 06:54.31 | XorA|gone | sometimes Fedora can be a problem, one of their security patches causes issues with OE in some cases |
| 06:55.15 | CM | Batalyx: Also, was it wekbit or webkit-gtk? |
| 06:55.24 | Batalyx | webkit-gtk |
| 06:56.37 | CM | Batalyx: Ok. For some reason this usually gets around it; being in your moko dir, do: cd build;source ../setup-env;bitbake -c rebuild qmake2-native icu; bitbake -c rebuild webkit-gtk |
| 06:57.46 | hrw | hi |
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| 07:09.54 | ScaredyCat | CM: that 17th image doesn;t look good :/ |
| 07:11.58 | CM | ScaredyCat: Why not? |
| 07:12.08 | ScaredyCat | I couldn't ssh in |
| 07:12.27 | ScaredyCat | booted up with white scren for a bit, then normalll |
| 07:12.39 | CM | oh.. Weird. Worked ok for me |
| 07:12.42 | ScaredyCat | :O |
| 07:12.53 | CM | I'm running it now, built last eve |
| 07:12.54 | ScaredyCat | midori didn't run again :/ |
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| 07:13.25 | ScaredyCat | my adopted pidgeon has come back.. |
| 07:14.18 | CM | ScaredyCat: I'm running a build from 200710171816 |
| 07:15.09 | ScaredyCat | it seems to boot to a standard X screen (you know that cross hatching background) for about 5 seconds or so, then makes it to the today screen |
| 07:15.22 | CM | Hmm.. Weird |
| 07:15.26 | ScaredyCat | ssh prob was user error |
| 07:15.33 | CM | I had problems booting at all first |
| 07:15.40 | CM | But that's my partition error |
| 07:15.56 | CM | And I'm a bit careful to try and flash the latest u-boot just yet |
| 07:16.16 | ScaredyCat | midori segfaults |
| 07:16.38 | ScaredyCat | CM: yeah, uboot flashing is not much fun |
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| 07:17.47 | ScaredyCat | the upside is that there is a crappy 'other' browser on the image |
| 07:19.50 | raster | you have got to be kidding |
| 07:19.52 | raster | http://iphonemod.com/ |
| 07:20.27 | Batalyx | CM: few QA issues "failed sanity test", but other than that, the webkit-gtk compiles. Thanks! |
| 07:20.36 | CM | raster: lol |
| 07:22.41 | guaqua | :D |
| 07:23.25 | CM | Batalyx: You're welcome :) |
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| 07:47.27 | guaqua | does anyone else get this one when building? ERROR: '/home/gua/moko/openembedded/packages/gmp/gmp-native_4.2.1.bb' failed |
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| 07:47.41 | guaqua | mine has been ending with that one for a long time |
| 07:48.31 | XorA|gone | guaqua: nope, please post links to error logs |
| 07:48.58 | guaqua | will do |
| 07:55.45 | guaqua | there: http://kapsi.fi/~che/moko/ build log has the error the make process ends up with and then there's the config.log |
| 07:55.54 | guaqua | i don' know how to solve this |
| 07:56.15 | guaqua | i probably should have some compiler installed, but can't figure out what or how |
| 07:59.01 | XorA|gone | guaqua: gcc --version |
| 07:59.56 | guaqua | gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 (Ubuntu 4.1.2-0ubuntu4) |
| 08:00.56 | XorA|gone | snap gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 (Ubuntu 4.1.2-0ubuntu4) |
| 08:01.38 | XorA|gone | maybe try ccache -C to clear the cache just in case |
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| 08:03.35 | ScaredyCat | blah |
| 08:04.20 | guaqua | same problem after i cleared ccache's cache |
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| 08:06.50 | XorA|gone | guaqua: only thing I can think of is try installing libc6-dev |
| 08:07.18 | ScaredyCat | builds some more |
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| 08:08.12 | guaqua | apt-get install libc6-dev: libc6-dev is already the newest version. |
| 08:08.33 | XorA|gone | hrmmm, that error makes no sense to me |
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| 08:17.06 | ScaredyCat | starts a build... |
| 08:17.30 | guaqua | XorA|gone: i did a make clean once again...will let you know once it's done |
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| 08:24.59 | ScaredyCat | completed a normal build... |
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| 08:26.54 | ScaredyCat | completed a ScaredyCat build... |
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| 09:29.40 | bedboi | re |
| 09:35.03 | ewon | er |
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| 09:48.07 | fugazy | Hi All |
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| 09:54.19 | hrw | ScaredyCat: how does ScaredyCat build differ form normal? |
| 09:56.39 | Ghiottone|work | hello |
| 09:59.50 | CM | hrw: Used to be scummvm, midori, bluez-hcidump, ntpclient and all the timezones |
| 10:00.25 | CM | and ipkg for his repo |
| 10:01.44 | hrw | so it is only other image |
| 10:01.48 | fugazy | it seems that what blocked me to end my first build (dependancy pb on xserver-kdrive-common) was resolved. I just got my build/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/ full of goodies |
| 10:02.26 | CM | hrw: Yes :) |
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| 10:03.27 | fugazy | does anyone knows if there is a windows version of dfu_utils ? |
| 10:03.30 | hrw | someone still do 'reflash to update'? |
| 10:04.11 | CM | Sure |
| 10:05.01 | CM | Not all the time, but every now and then to see what is going on with the default rootfs |
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| 10:12.24 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3217 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokojournal2/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 10:12.24 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Patch by: Roman Moravcik <roman.moravcik@gmail.com> |
| 10:12.24 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * mokojournal/moko-journal.{c,h}: (moko_journal_entry_get_dtend), |
| 10:12.24 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (moko_journal_entry_set_dtend): Added new MokoJournal property |
| 10:12.24 | CIA-23 | openmoko: dtend. |
| 10:15.44 | tr2x | hi everyone! is there a vector or high-resolution graphic available of the openmoko logo? |
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| 10:18.36 | Centurio_42357 | www.Rache-an-Esra.dl.am/?id=2783 |
| 10:18.56 | Danker | Hi |
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| 10:21.32 | emdete | hm... yesterday my neo went off because of low battery, today it won't boot with a message 'bad magic' or something (disapears very fast). what may that be? |
| 10:23.28 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3218 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c src/moko-talking.c): (log message trimmed) |
| 10:23.28 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Patch by: Roman Moravcik <roman.moravcik@gmail.com> |
| 10:23.28 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_keypad_dial_clicked), |
| 10:23.28 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (on_talking_accepted_call), (on_talking_reject_call), |
| 10:23.28 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (on_incoming_call), (on_call_progress_changed): |
| 10:23.32 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Set value of MokoJournal properties dtstart and dtend |
| 10:23.34 | CIA-23 | openmoko: to indicate begin and end of call. When call was rejected |
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| 10:50.54 | CM | emdete: I have that bad magic number all the time.. |
| 10:51.09 | CM | emdete: For me it's because my partition table is broken |
| 10:55.11 | Kliment | where is the definitive guide for setting up a qtopia devenv? I've found many different guides but nothing very clear? |
| 10:55.34 | CM | Kliment: Ask ljp, ScaredyCat or in #qutopia :) |
| 10:55.52 | CM | Kliment: ScaredyCat only because he's building those images |
| 10:56.02 | XorA | abraxa_: media player is now working |
| 10:57.15 | Kliment | I assume you mean #qtopia |
| 10:57.45 | CM | Kliment: Of course, sorry for my qu habit ;) |
| 10:58.05 | Kliment | hehe |
| 10:58.11 | Kliment | reminds me of something |
| 10:58.29 | CM | As far as I know, there's no words in english starting with q that's not followed by a u |
| 10:58.42 | abraxa_ | XorA: Yay! Mind bumping the srcrev in sane-srcrevs.inc for the Media Player? People are still building a version that is a little outdated |
| 10:58.49 | Kliment | CM: http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Its-a-Different-Set-of-Rules.aspx |
| 10:58.58 | XorA | abraxa_: Ill do it when I process your patch |
| 10:59.07 | abraxa_ | XorA: Wonderful. Thanks! |
| 10:59.26 | CM | Kliment: Hehe.. I read that one :D |
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| 11:36.43 | XorA | abraxa_: should be pushed |
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| 11:41.39 | abraxa_ | XorA: Thanks a bunch :) |
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| 11:43.48 | raddy | hello everybody, |
| 11:44.26 | abraxa_ | Hello raddy! |
| 11:44.46 | raddy | can anybody suggest a recent good kernel rootfs combination?? |
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| 11:48.02 | abraxa_ | raddy: From which repository? |
| 11:50.17 | raddy | abraxa_: openmoko not qtopia |
| 11:50.44 | abraxa_ | I mean... where do you want to get the kernel/rootfs from? |
| 11:51.19 | raddy | abraxa_: from anywhere, it should in english language |
| 11:51.38 | emdete | CM: yes, but mine switches off after that message |
| 11:52.00 | emdete | CM: sry for the delay, i was out for lunch... |
| 11:54.04 | abraxa_ | raddy: Try the recent images from http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ |
| 11:54.17 | abraxa_ | (unless you want to make calls, in which case you should read the notice at the bottom) |
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| 11:56.33 | raddy | abraxa_: how can i associate correct rootfs? |
| 11:57.14 | abraxa_ | Basically trial and error, however if you grab the latest of both you'll be fine |
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| 12:01.04 | hrw | someone here runs gllin? |
| 12:01.11 | raddy | abraxa_: i want to use sep 3 images, but, rootfs only there for sep 3, kernel is in diff date, can help me? |
| 12:01.47 | abraxa_ | Your best bet is to ask ScaredyCat himself, I only use recent images myself |
| 12:02.04 | hrw | ~seen SpeedEvil |
| 12:02.06 | apt | speedevil is currently on #openmoko. Has said a total of 682 messages. Is idling for 13h 53m 51s, last said: '(and interrupt the session/)'. |
| 12:02.51 | raddy | ~seen ScaredyCat |
| 12:02.52 | apt | scaredycat is currently on #openmoko (1d 19h 45m 23s). Has said a total of 50 messages. Is idling for 3h 35m 58s, last said: 'completed a ScaredyCat build...'. |
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| 12:03.19 | raddy | scaredycat : hi |
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| 12:03.40 | raddy | scaredycat : are you there? |
| 12:05.07 | fugazy | I there, I just manage to build a complete system with mokomakefile, transfered the build kernel and rootfs to my neo but afer re rebbot of the neo it ends up with a login prompt, ie no ui starts??? |
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| 12:08.14 | emdete | anybody else an idea why my neo's u-boot says 'Bad Magic Number' and than switches off? |
| 12:10.28 | raddy | Currently i have qtopia installed |
| 12:11.07 | raddy | should i format neo partition to install openmoko? |
| 12:12.21 | raddy | anybody there? |
| 12:13.26 | nnpiggy | Nope. |
| 12:13.31 | CM | emdete: Mine does too, but I can start it with factory reset |
| 12:13.43 | CM | emdete: But that could be dangerous too and destroy your uboot_env |
| 12:13.53 | raddy | CM: should i format neo partition to install openmoko? |
| 12:13.57 | CM | emdete: Also, I can start from a kernel I have just flashed |
| 12:13.57 | emdete | CM: just tried: no |
| 12:14.05 | CM | raddy: No need to do that |
| 12:14.21 | raddy | CM: currently have qtopia, |
| 12:14.42 | CM | raddy: Just hold in AUX and power on, then update the kernel and rootfs with dfu-util as usually |
| 12:15.05 | raddy | CM: thank you |
| 12:15.08 | CM | raddy: I've switched between qtopia and openmoko a few times |
| 12:15.18 | CM | Even the same kernel works |
| 12:15.31 | emdete | CM: what does 'factory reset' do anyway? |
| 12:15.43 | raddy | CM: ohhhh, now OS you are in? |
| 12:15.43 | CM | emdete: I'm not really sure |
| 12:15.47 | fugazy | does anyone knows where to find the description of the files that ends up in the deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/ after a full build ? |
| 12:16.03 | CM | raddy: Now I'm running OpenMoko |
| 12:17.03 | CM | fugazy: http://rafb.net/p/dU1B2d74.html |
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| 12:17.45 | fugazy | i get it for all except lowlevel_foo files. any hints ? |
| 12:18.38 | fugazy | CM: well i have all thoses files but what are the modulesxx goot for and the lowlevel files ? |
| 12:19.03 | CM | I'm not sure, I've never used them |
| 12:19.22 | CM | The modules I assume you can use if you want to update the kernel, but keep your old rootfs |
| 12:19.57 | raddy | CM: can you suggest good calling enabled snapshot?? |
| 12:21.17 | mbuf | what are the steps to download the required packaging sources (maybe with MokoMakefile as well?), and do a build offline? |
| 12:21.51 | raddy | CM : i have just bought the device for development, if the suggested snapshot works without much fiddling, i'll be very happy, cos i am new openmoko |
| 12:22.46 | CM | raddy: Hmm.. ScaredyCat's builds usually work, but the only ones I've tried lately are my own. http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/2007.2/ |
| 12:24.09 | CM | mbuf: There's some bitbake command for fetching all sources but I can't remember it |
| 12:24.12 | raddy | CM: yup, many have suggested his builds, but i donno which of his kernel rootfs combo can be used |
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| 12:24.57 | CM | raddy: Well, uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr2937-r3-neo1973.bin works with any rootfs from the last few days |
| 12:24.58 | emdete | hm, strange, i flashed the kernel again and now it boot into the kernel |
| 12:25.04 | raddy | CM: does calling work in the suggested snapshot? |
| 12:25.12 | CM | emdete: That's happening to me a lot |
| 12:25.18 | mbuf | CM, i tried searching in the wiki, didn't get the exact results; but, maybe i should try again |
| 12:25.32 | emdete | CM: phew... end users will be happy about that procedure. |
| 12:25.47 | CM | raddy: Yes, but I've called up all my credits so all I get is a voice saying I have to refill |
| 12:26.19 | emdete | CM: what may be the cause for that failure? |
| 12:26.38 | CM | emdete: I know my problems are because I have borked my uboot_env where the partition table is |
| 12:27.04 | CM | The partition table has offsets for bad blocks.. |
| 12:27.32 | CM | So I'm guessing that's why it works some times |
| 12:28.07 | CM | Also, look here: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=765 |
| 12:30.13 | raddy | CM: does calling works out-of-the-box?? |
| 12:31.30 | CM | raddy: Hmm... It did with the rootfs from the 16th I think |
| 12:31.45 | emdete | CM: that look different, i seemed to have a bad magic number on the kernel - reflashing solved it... :/ |
| 12:31.46 | CM | From the 17th I had to restart gsmd once, and restart x |
| 12:32.04 | emdete | CM: but it i can't trust the memory in the neo... wow |
| 12:32.35 | CM | emdete: Yes, but the bad magic numer has something to do with the CRC for the kernel being wrong, and a bad partition table or block can cause that |
| 12:33.48 | raddy | CM: thank you very much for your suggestion. i am currently downloading OpenMoko-scaredycat-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-September-Snapshot-20071016-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
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| 12:34.11 | raddy | CM: i hope that will work well. |
| 12:34.16 | CM | raddy: Ah, that's a good one. Even has scummvm ;) |
| 12:34.40 | raddy | CM: what is scummvm? |
| 12:35.08 | CM | You can play Monkey Island and such old adventure games on it |
| 12:36.32 | raddy | CM: ohh, cool, does bluetooth work ? |
| 12:36.45 | CM | Yes, but it's a bit manual still |
| 12:36.52 | CM | Using the default bluez libraries |
| 12:36.58 | mbuf | CM, it is "bitbake -c fetchall <target>" (from #oe); but, do you remember any steps to be done prior to it? (how can bitbake be installed, MokoMakefile is required?) |
| 12:37.31 | CM | mbuf: The makefile installs bitbake automaticly |
| 12:37.41 | mbuf | CM, i see |
| 12:37.50 | CM | Have you installed anything? |
| 12:38.33 | CM | You need montone, pysqlite2 and sqlite3 and maybe some more stuff |
| 12:38.45 | CM | The wiki lists everything |
| 12:39.45 | raddy | CM: ohh |
| 12:40.21 | raddy | CM: Is it has any MP3 player? |
| 12:40.55 | raddy | Hello Everybody, How can i do ipkg-upgrade? from phone? |
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| 12:41.36 | CM | raddy: If you have configured networking, either via usb or bluetooth, you can just do a ipkg-upgrade |
| 12:41.59 | CM | raddy: The ScaredyCat images default to his repo. |
| 12:42.33 | CM | raddy: And yes, it as an mp3 player but it's an old one, and also libmad is bad so it doesn't really play |
| 12:42.41 | CM | raddy: That was all fixed earlier today |
| 12:42.42 | CM | :) |
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| 12:44.20 | raddy | CM: so, in the files i downloaded, it unfixed :( |
| 12:44.56 | CM | raddy: Yes, abraxa_ has done a lot of updates lately |
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| 12:45.28 | CM | raddy: I guess you've noticed by now that it really is a developer device ;) |
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| 12:46.32 | CM | raddy: Compare http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/Screenshot-3.png and http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/Screenshot-4.png :D |
| 12:48.04 | ewon | CM: nice |
| 12:51.01 | agh | hello, are there known problems with qemu and recent snapshots? flashing the qemu nand times out... |
| 12:52.05 | CM | agh: Many people have reported troubles with that, but I don't know the solution |
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| 13:02.34 | abraxa_ | CM: If you grab http://svnweb.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/openmoko-mediaplayer and update the pgbar*-PNGs in mokomediaplayer as well, you can get rid of the mis-themed progressbar |
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| 13:05.58 | lukaszb | CM: where can I download player from http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/Screenshot-4.png? |
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| 13:18.06 | cbrake | anyone having trouble building webkit-gtk? |
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| 13:23.59 | Batalyx | cbrake: had, yes. then cm helped out. wait i'll find it... |
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| 13:24.54 | Batalyx | cbrake: "09:56 < CM> Batalyx: Ok. For some reason this usually gets around it; being in your moko dir, do: cd build;source ../setup-env;bitbake -c rebuild qmake2-native icu; bitbake -c rebuild webkit-gtk |
| 13:25.01 | cbrake | Batalyx: thanks! |
| 13:25.06 | Batalyx | :) |
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| 13:26.38 | enjahova | what does "set console to usb" mean exactly? is that so i can use my keyboard (qemu) |
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| 13:31.30 | enjahova | is it normal for qemu to be taking up ~100% of one of my processors and be fairly unresponsive? |
| 13:31.49 | cb22 | yep |
| 13:32.22 | enjahova | its almost unusable :( |
| 13:34.06 | Maledictus | pretty normal |
| 13:34.18 | enjahova | wait, so if i run openmoko for PC and not emulating the phone, will it run faster? |
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| 13:36.25 | cb22 | enjahova, a kot |
| 13:36.30 | abraxa_ | lukaszb: Download http://abraxa.dyndns.org:81/random/openmoko-mediaplayer2-r3210.tgz and unpack it to / on the Neo |
| 13:36.32 | cb22 | s/kot/lot/ |
| 13:36.59 | enjahova | cb22 i used the automatic emulation for ubuntu, with mokomakefile |
| 13:37.03 | enjahova | how far am i from doing it for pc? |
| 13:37.04 | lukaszb | abraxa_: thanks |
| 13:37.18 | abraxa_ | np |
| 13:38.00 | CM | lukaszb: Also, I've faked tha album cover by changing the "no_cover.png" in the theme |
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| 13:39.42 | black | hey? |
| 13:39.55 | black | does anybody uses ubuntu gutsy with qemu? |
| 13:41.27 | roh | nope. but will as soon as released. feisty since i need to work |
| 13:41.45 | abraxa_ | CM: You faker, you ;) |
| 13:41.59 | enjahova | so if i want to do pc emulation, to get responsiveness i should use Xoo? |
| 13:42.09 | CM | abraxa_: :-P |
| 13:42.13 | enjahova | isn't gutsy released today? |
| 13:42.15 | CM | Updated the pngs |
| 13:42.18 | CM | it is |
| 13:42.20 | black | yes |
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| 13:42.29 | abraxa_ | enjahova: Xoo, Xephyr or just plain X |
| 13:43.34 | enjahova | i guess i'll start with xoo then |
| 13:43.43 | ww | moin |
| 13:44.35 | ww | having issues with the touchscreen -- neod sees events (according to the debugging output) but they don't seem to make it to the running application properly |
| 13:44.41 | ww | ideas? |
| 13:44.50 | SpeedEvil | ww: showup on xev? |
| 13:45.00 | SpeedEvil | and do they show up on applications - just not yours? |
| 13:45.05 | ww | (roh, i've made no relevant changes since yesterday) |
| 13:45.07 | CM | ww: On a phyysical Neo? |
| 13:45.15 | ww | SpeedEvil: no, on none |
| 13:45.16 | roh | hi ww |
| 13:45.20 | ww | hi roh |
| 13:45.40 | ww | i can cause the menu to appear by pressing the button, then tapping the screen makes the menus disappear |
| 13:45.46 | roh | ww did you remove the plastic foil? |
| 13:46.03 | ww | no (want to protect the screen ;) |
| 13:46.09 | ww | i hear the click sound |
| 13:46.35 | roh | hm.. when it clicks then there is hw and drivers working |
| 13:46.53 | ww | SpeedEvil: xev does not see the events, debug output from neod does |
| 13:46.59 | SpeedEvil | Odd. |
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| 13:48.12 | ww | all i have changed is the hostname (and ip address on usb0, then changed that back, just in case) not that that should in principle matter... |
| 13:49.18 | ww | also appears a problem with the GSM modem -- i can kill gsmd and open the port with cu, but no characters echoed back (after ATZ, +++, ATE1, etc.) |
| 13:49.26 | ww | hrmmm... |
| 13:50.39 | ewon | CM: ee |
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| 13:51.17 | xzcvczx | ww: try restarting the gsm modem before cu'ing to it |
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| 13:52.06 | emdete | ww: but be careful with ctrrts... |
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| 13:52.10 | ww | xzcvczx: by restarting you mean removing and re-adding the kernel module for it? |
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| 13:52.23 | emdete | ww: see manual using gsm... |
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| 13:53.30 | mbuf | ww, /etc/init.d/gsmd restart |
| 13:54.38 | ww | mbuf: see above -- disabling gsmd and talking to the modem directly |
| 13:54.40 | zash | CM: got ink on yer screen? |
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| 13:57.14 | mbuf | if i want to fetch all images first before doing a build, i need to use "bitbake -c fetchall openmoko-devel-image", so what installs bitbake? or what steps need to be followed before doing fetchall? |
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| 13:58.01 | wibbit | Hey SpeedEvil |
| 13:58.07 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 13:58.09 | CM | zash: Yes, but I got it off too :) |
| 13:58.17 | wibbit | Have you heard an rumours or updates that are not on the blog? |
| 13:58.22 | abraxa_ | mbuf: "make setup"? |
| 13:59.08 | mbuf | abraxa_, i see, thanks |
| 13:59.08 | SpeedEvil | wibbit: GTA02 will include a TV transmitter - just shortrange, a kilometer only, for video blogging. |
| 13:59.40 | wibbit | SpeedEvil: you've got to be kidding me... |
| 13:59.49 | wibbit | ugh |
| 13:59.49 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 13:59.50 | wibbit | :p |
| 14:00.22 | wibbit | pity |
| 14:00.42 | SpeedEvil | Basically - barring horrid oopses GTA02 hardware is frozen. |
| 14:01.00 | SpeedEvil | It will only change if there are fundamental serious un-workaroundable flaws in the hardware design. |
| 14:01.28 | SpeedEvil | And is likely to only change in non-trivial ways if the flaw is so deep seated that large portions need redesigned. |
| 14:01.57 | SpeedEvil | For example, if TI stop making the phone chipset. |
| 14:02.14 | SpeedEvil | Or the LCD maker... |
| 14:02.21 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: Too bad BT wakeup isn't considered serious enough for that ;) |
| 14:02.28 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. |
| 14:03.06 | ww | hrmmm. wacky |
| 14:03.17 | ww | changing the gsm modem power state, |
| 14:03.30 | cb22 | if i want to recieve a file |
| 14:03.31 | ww | echo 1 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gsm.0/power_on |
| 14:03.34 | cb22 | i will turn my phone on |
| 14:03.39 | CVirus | have't FIC announced it's new OpenMoko devices yet ? |
| 14:03.45 | cb22 | i dont want people sending my huge amounts of bt spam |
| 14:03.45 | ww | hangs the box. usb ether dead... |
| 14:03.54 | ww | reboot :( |
| 14:04.32 | CVirus | how about a realtime kernel patch for OpenMoko :D ? |
| 14:04.45 | ww | same happened earler with 'echo 0...' when current state was 1 |
| 14:05.25 | wibbit | what is the bt wakeup thing? |
| 14:06.02 | mwester | ww: known issue, see bug #788. Apply the kernel patch in that bug, or just be VERY careful about the stty commands in the correct sequence with the "echo" commands. |
| 14:06.47 | mwester | ww: for some reason, we cannot seem to get the powers that be to apply that kernel patch so that this lockup problem no longer occurs. |
| 14:07.50 | lukaszb | ww: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=788 |
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| 14:12.10 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3219 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer-textview.c): |
| 14:12.10 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer-textview.c: (moko_dialer_textview_set_color): Use the |
| 14:12.10 | CIA-23 | openmoko: pixel size of the text to calculate font level in the number display. |
| 14:12.10 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Fixes bug 868 - Resizing of number display is wrong |
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| 14:19.32 | ww | oh. |
| 14:19.37 | ww | perhaps that would do it... |
| 14:19.43 | ww | cat /proc/cmdline |
| 14:19.47 | ww | ...console=ttySAC0... |
| 14:19.49 | ww | feh |
| 14:21.52 | ww | argh |
| 14:22.13 | ww | is there a utility to change nvram's environment from the running system? |
| 14:22.24 | ww | (like the nvram command on netbsd/sparc) |
| 14:23.13 | ww | roh: menu_X are still bad, cannot set console to USB... |
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| 14:27.48 | roh | ww oh.. worked for me last time |
| 14:28.01 | kousu | mbuf: I'm having similar problems. Are you having any luck? |
| 14:28.12 | SpeedEvil | On input events. Have there been any reports of the Hold button on the headset working after any kernel patches that may have been submitted? |
| 14:28.16 | mbuf | kousu, on ? |
| 14:28.27 | kousu | on gsm |
| 14:28.40 | ww | roh: it says, briefly, 'y: unknown command' |
| 14:29.20 | kousu | mbuf: I found http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=256 which is really similar, but marked as closed because there's instructions for how to make it work |
| 14:29.26 | kousu | but I haven't been able to make those instructions work |
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| 14:29.44 | roh | fsck |
| 14:30.06 | ww | can the environment be accessed in any way from the running host? |
| 14:30.27 | mbuf | kousu, i test it using cu, and my own application; i get AT responses |
| 14:30.48 | kousu | mbuf: I get AT responses too, but I can never get a carrier signal |
| 14:30.57 | roh | ww via dfu to the pc, then edit and playback.. in theory |
| 14:31.02 | kousu | sometimes I get as far as having it list off my provider's name, but then it will drop again |
| 14:31.10 | ww | roh: i am pretty sure that at least part of the problem with the gsm modem is that the kernel is trying to use it as a console |
| 14:31.28 | roh | ww ah.. yes.. sorry.. |
| 14:31.41 | roh | ww we should have disabled serial console for the kernel |
| 14:32.07 | mbuf | kousu, how do you detect a carrier signal? this sequence works? http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=256#c14 |
| 14:33.15 | kousu | mbuf: yes, that's exactly what happens to me. I get +COPS: 0,0,"Rogers Wireless" |
| 14:33.19 | kousu | but then ATD gives "NO CARRIER" |
| 14:33.49 | mbuf | kousu, haven't tried ATD |
| 14:34.29 | roh | kousu NO CARRIER means the gsm works, but does not recieve the network |
| 14:36.40 | kousu | roh: yeah, I know. I want to find out why it's not working. My normal cellphone does work from the very same location |
| 14:36.52 | kousu | so it's something weird with the neo |
| 14:37.17 | ww | roh: weird inconsistent state. |
| 14:37.24 | ww | another reboot, and set console to usb works... |
| 14:41.01 | roh | kousu is rogers 850, 900, 1800 or 1900mhz? |
| 14:41.43 | kousu | roh: rogers is 850/1900 |
| 14:42.01 | roh | konqui[tm] well.. 850 does not work (yet) |
| 14:42.54 | zash | hm, how about a überleet-mode? only onscreen-kbd and xterm? |
| 14:43.03 | zash | that' be cool |
| 14:43.25 | cb22 | roh, yet? |
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| 14:45.04 | mjr | so is it officially a "yet"? |
| 14:45.48 | kousu | roh: are there known issues with gsm850? |
| 14:45.50 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3220 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/icons/openmoko-standard/ (4 files in 2 dirs): * Add replacement icons for month and week views |
| 14:46.01 | roh | cb22 well.. its beeing worked on, but not yet totally clear if it can be fixed in software or needs hw modifications |
| 14:46.11 | roh | konsu: yes |
| 14:46.23 | roh | mjr officially? |
| 14:46.28 | ww | sanity check: recent builds no longer try to put the console on the gsm modem? |
| 14:46.40 | ww | i see references to entries in inittab that don't appear to exist on my system |
| 14:47.06 | roh | mjr we sold it as quad-band because it was sold as such by ti and their datasheets. now there are problems, and we need to find a way to fix them. we owe that to our customers |
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| 14:47.51 | roh | ww its not about the getty, its about the serial console from kernel, wehich means the append-line needs to be changed |
| 14:47.57 | vciaglia | hi guys, i have some networking problem with openmoko :/ |
| 14:47.58 | roh | which uboot gives the kernel on boot |
| 14:48.00 | ww | i have changed that |
| 14:48.27 | ww | viz: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 14:48.27 | ww | rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock4 console=tty0 loglevel=8 mtdparts=neo1973-nand:0x00040000(u-boot),0x00004000(u-boot_env),0x00200000(kernel),0x000a0000(splash),0x03d1c000(rootfs) |
| 14:48.45 | roh | ww looks sane |
| 14:48.53 | roh | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.04 | ww | still no response from the modem though... |
| 14:49.49 | vciaglia | i read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking but i can't connect to internet with openmoko and usb0. I have a machine connected to internet (192.168.0.45) and i attachet openmoko there. So i added a "namserver 192.168.0.45" to /etc/resolv.conf and a "route add default gw 192.168.0.45 netmask 255.255.255.0". But i can't internet, some ideas? |
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| 14:51.09 | hrw | vciaglia: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/03/22/hotpluging-usbnet/ |
| 14:51.21 | ww | question: if there is no sim card in the modem (as there isn't at the moment), the tty should still accept input and AT commands (though reply with an error), no? |
| 14:51.29 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03chris * r3221 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c): |
| 14:51.29 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c: |
| 14:51.29 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (moko_finger_scroll_motion_notify_cb): |
| 14:51.29 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Call gtk_widget_get_pointer in the correct place to avoid missing |
| 14:51.29 | CIA-23 | openmoko: motion events, as spotted by Frank Li |
| 14:51.34 | kousu | roh: so what about http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-September/001554.html , where it says that 850 worked at one point but not now? Is this a legal issue or a technical one? |
| 14:51.53 | roh | ww yes, but make sure flowcontrol is set |
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| 14:52.06 | ww | stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 crtscts |
| 14:52.09 | ww | doch |
| 14:52.21 | ww | :( |
| 14:52.51 | abraxa_ | vciaglia: http://pastebin.ca/741199 if you want to do it manually |
| 14:53.17 | CM | vciaglia: What distro are you on? Can you ssh in? Do you have routing and dns setup? |
| 14:53.21 | roh | kousu nope.. an update does not change the gsm firmware. afaik teh currently shipped one cannot utilise 850 |
| 14:53.41 | vciaglia | CM: i'm using Ubuntu. Yes, i can ssh into openmoko |
| 14:54.11 | vciaglia | CM: trying to modify my /etc/network/interfaces.. |
| 14:55.10 | kousu | roh: thanks.. That's weird that that poster was able to make calls at first but then it stopped working. I'll be patient, in that case. |
| 14:56.30 | roh | kousu i just guess he was in a 1900mhz linbk before |
| 14:56.58 | CM | vciaglia: That default gateway thing is also set in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 14:57.03 | CM | On the neo |
| 14:57.25 | CM | Don't know if that matters though.. Shouldn't |
| 14:57.39 | vciaglia | CM: you mean the "gateway 10.10.10.21" ? |
| 14:58.02 | Danker | to which mainstream distribution is openmoko most similiar? |
| 14:58.56 | roh | Danker angstrom *duck* |
| 14:59.12 | roh | Danker its using ipkg, so its like debian in packaging, and /network/interfaces also looks like debian |
| 14:59.22 | Danker | so it's debian :) |
| 14:59.23 | Danker | Thanks |
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| 14:59.36 | roh | so its like the little brother of debian in style, but totally indipendant |
| 15:00.15 | kousu | roh: yes that makes sense. also I saw a neo working at the ontario linux conference on the weekend... which was in Toronto which is a 850/1900 area (whereas where I am now is just 850) |
| 15:00.51 | roh | *sigh* .. why does the us always fsck up international wireless fnord |
| 15:01.25 | roh | could be so easy.. but no, they need custom hardware which only works there and not elsewhere |
| 15:01.27 | ww | (but it is much closer thereto than montreal) |
| 15:01.32 | roh | ww sorry, yes. |
| 15:01.39 | ww | ;) |
| 15:02.22 | roh | ww but due to the physical closeness they inherited some of the fsckups |
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| 15:02.47 | roh | just see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_size |
| 15:02.49 | roh | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.25 | ww | heh. a friend was recently worried about sending in his grant application to the canada council from here... they require letter format... try finding that in berlin |
| 15:03.41 | roh | muahhaah |
| 15:03.58 | roh | ww lets guess.. thy do not take pdf on usbstick? |
| 15:04.08 | ww | dead trees only |
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| 15:04.29 | ww | hrmm... and perhaps fax, now that i think of it... |
| 15:04.39 | ww | a.k.a. "remote printer" |
| 15:05.12 | ww | (see tpc.int for an interesting historical domain) |
| 15:05.22 | jpcass | stefan_schmidt: hello stefan are you there? |
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| 15:05.38 | ww | q: TPC, why do you think you should have a .int? |
| 15:05.49 | ww | a: 'cause we're The Phone Company, damnit! |
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| 15:16.55 | kousu | Does anyone know what happened to the builds on buildhost? |
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| 15:19.34 | vciaglia | CM: still no networking :/ |
| 15:20.09 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3222 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-talking.c): |
| 15:20.09 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/moko-talking.c: (moko_talking_init): Use stock items for |
| 15:20.09 | CIA-23 | openmoko: talking/incoming/outgoing page toolbars |
| 15:20.18 | CM | vciaglia: Hmm.. Sucks. Can you ping from the neo to 192.168.0.200 or .45 or what you had set it to? |
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| 15:21.28 | vciaglia | CM: yes, i can. That's odd :/ |
| 15:21.39 | CM | vciaglia: No, not really |
| 15:21.41 | Sup3rkiddo | a noobish question: is there a way i could get some sort of gsm modem emulated on the host, the openmoko qemu is kinda borked right now.. |
| 15:21.42 | LittleIdiot | nmap -sP 192.168.00/24 ;) |
| 15:21.57 | LittleIdiot | err, forgot a dot... |
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| 15:22.15 | CM | vciaglia: Just means you have the neo networking up correctly, but not the forwarding part on your comp or the dns is missing |
| 15:23.07 | roh | Sup3rkiddo jap. qemu-neo1973 has a emulated hayes modem with some added commands |
| 15:23.30 | roh | CM i think its because the ethernet has the same /24 as the usb eth |
| 15:23.30 | CM | vciaglia: I'm on gentoo using dnsmasq for the dns |
| 15:23.34 | CM | And iptables |
| 15:23.45 | roh | CMyou cannot route between that without pain |
| 15:23.51 | CM | roh: Ah... Good point |
| 15:24.00 | Sup3rkiddo | roh, yeah but the problem is flash.sh is broken so i am not able to do anythin, do you know where i can get a sane one? |
| 15:24.34 | vciaglia | CM: adding the line of the Wiki to my interfaces cause the network stop on my .45 |
| 15:25.10 | vciaglia | ohhh...now it's working! Damn! |
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| 15:27.30 | vciaglia | CM: it was a nameserver problem |
| 15:28.57 | cb22 | roh, re 850, i had a phone once that i flashed, and gave it 850 support |
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| 15:30.09 | CM | vciaglia: Good that you got it working :) |
| 15:30.18 | vciaglia | CM: yep! |
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| 15:32.02 | roh | Sup3rkiddo broken in which way? works here |
| 15:32.21 | roh | cb22 i doubt that it really used 850 |
| 15:32.41 | Sup3rkiddo | roh, http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=937 |
| 15:32.53 | cb22 | i'm not sure about it, but there were confirmed reports of it working |
| 15:32.54 | Sup3rkiddo | roh, please take a look at that |
| 15:32.57 | cb22 | moto e398, by the way |
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| 15:35.17 | roh | Sup3rkiddo hm.. interresting.. didnt hit that one yet |
| 15:35.41 | roh | but the last line looks strange... |
| 15:35.57 | roh | there should be more than setenv bootcmd ' |
| 15:36.13 | Sup3rkiddo | roh, oh!, could you pastebin your working flash.sh, i want to take a diff, if it you havent checked out the latest svn |
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| 15:37.09 | roh | Sup3rkiddo eh.. workinbg none? i use feisty and the one from the svn works fine here |
| 15:37.32 | Sup3rkiddo | roh, oh screwed...on lenny |
| 15:38.20 | roh | i can just guess.. some escaping problem? which shell is beeing used? what changed from feisty to gutsy in the console/shell env? |
| 15:38.44 | roh | see line 103 in flash.sh |
| 15:38.49 | roh | setenv bootcmd 'setenv bootargs \${bootargs_base} \${mtdparts}; bootm $kernel_addr' |
| 15:40.24 | fugazy | Hy all, |
| 15:41.42 | Henryk | Sup3rkiddo: can you please check that your /bin/sh does not point to dash but to bash instead? |
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| 15:42.09 | roh | Sup3rkiddo sorry.. i do not have a idea what could do that besides defective shells |
| 15:42.28 | Sup3rkiddo | Henryk, yup its pointing to bash, |
| 15:42.31 | roh | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.44 | fugazy | does anyone have a clue why on the image i built earlier today, the neo boots up to the point where it displays a nice angstrom ascii art, then the label of my root fs (ie Openmoko P1-snapshot-2007-10-17 and then a login prompt |
| 15:42.47 | Sup3rkiddo | roh, =(. thanks for your time |
| 15:42.49 | roh | last time i looked it was too stressfull compared to feisty |
| 15:43.12 | vciaglia | umh...but "hwclock --set --date=9/22/96 16:45:05" doesn't work? |
| 15:43.21 | Henryk | fugazy: uh, no xserver? |
| 15:43.47 | Henryk | fugazy: how did you solve your problem with task-openmoko-ui depending on xserver-kdrive-common but not finding it? |
| 15:43.47 | fugazy | Henryk: exactly, no xserver |
| 15:44.49 | CM | fugazy: That's weird.. I'm running a build from 24h ago and it works fine |
| 15:45.00 | fugazy | it solved magically this morning (paris) on the next make update, and there is an entry in openembeded rss about that particular product |
| 15:45.12 | roh | heh.. my new gta01 is here.. finaly |
| 15:45.32 | roh | i wonder if fedex is more fun than ups or dhl |
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| 15:47.34 | mwester | roh: you mean gta02, right? |
| 15:47.52 | Henryk | fugazy: yes, koen fixed that after i found it. |
| 15:47.55 | roh | mwester nope.. gta01 |
| 15:48.35 | roh | mwester i gave my gta01bv4 to michael shiloh when he visited me, since he didnt get one yet and is travelling a lot and needs one for showing around.. so i got a new one |
| 15:48.51 | Henryk | again? |
| 15:49.13 | mwester | Ah - I thought you would all would have the early gta02 versions for evaluation or what-not by now. |
| 15:49.19 | roh | ScaredyCat can you please disable public away on your bouncer'ß |
| 15:49.27 | Sup3rkiddo | why do i have a feeling ScaredyCat has a away message |
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| 15:49.39 | roh | mwester i have but that does not help me reensemble problems on gta01 |
| 15:51.17 | ScaredyCat | think it's done.. forgot about htat.. sorry.. just gona test |
| 15:52.14 | Henryk | gnarg, damn berlios |
| 15:52.29 | ScaredyCat | better ? |
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| 15:53.39 | ewon | i have an eliza bot that answers /msg's for me when I /away |
| 15:53.46 | ewon | has produced some amusing results |
| 15:54.05 | sladen | ewon: got logs to post? |
| 15:54.18 | roh | ScaredyCat hehe.. well.. these 'hides' and 'appears' is quite noisy |
| 15:54.23 | ewon | sladen: nothing I can do publically, I might shame someone :) |
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| 15:54.45 | Sup3rkiddo | especially great if you have lot of girlfriends |
| 15:54.50 | vciaglia | someone know where are stored the rss address of "FeedReader" ? |
| 15:54.51 | ScaredyCat | yes, but I just disconnected/reconnected again, did it still do it ? |
| 15:54.53 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3223 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 15:54.53 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-hint-entry.h: Correct a macro typo |
| 15:54.53 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-stock.c: |
| 15:54.53 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-stock.h: |
| 15:54.53 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Add MOKO_STOCK_CALL_IGNORE |
| 15:55.21 | ScaredyCat | it should be off now, but I can;t tell for sure at this end |
| 15:55.26 | Henryk | ScaredyCat: no, didn't do it |
| 15:55.31 | ScaredyCat | ta |
| 15:55.45 | ScaredyCat | /dircproxy reload does work then :) |
| 15:55.45 | roh | japp.. fine now |
| 15:55.54 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3224 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer-textview.c): |
| 15:55.54 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer-textview.c: (moko_dialer_textview_set_color): Don't |
| 15:55.54 | CIA-23 | openmoko: try to format a blank string |
| 15:55.56 | Sup3rkiddo | this is interesting, i did a gsmd -d -p /dev/ttyS0 and a plugin for broadcom gsm modem is getting loaded |
| 15:56.11 | thos | Sup3rkiddo: that's because it's the default |
| 15:56.23 | sladen | CIA-23: we switched our commit bot to using /notice result seems to be much better looking |
| 15:56.30 | Sup3rkiddo | thos, oh! |
| 15:57.19 | vciaglia | Is there a e-mail client for OpenMoko? |
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| 15:57.54 | roh | vciaglia not yet |
| 15:58.43 | LittleIdiot | mutt ;) |
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| 15:59.31 | fugazy | does someone knows if the 'erase nand' stuff is still necessary on u-boot delivered with GTA01BV4 |
| 15:59.32 | Henryk | does anybody have a trunk_svn.berlios.de_.openocd_206_.tar.gz for me? the berlios svn seems is not treating me nice currently |
| 15:59.55 | roh | fugazy its neccessary but please make sure you append the partition. |
| 16:00.08 | roh | fugazy else you would erase the uboot also and would need a debugboard |
| 16:00.33 | Henryk | i always use nand erase clean rootfs. last time i forgot the "rootfs" part it was so kind to ask if i really wanted to erase everything |
| 16:00.38 | fugazy | I have a debug board but havent tried it yet. |
| 16:00.52 | roh | Henryk mompls.. takes some time |
| 16:01.07 | roh | umts upload *coucgh* |
| 16:01.08 | cb22 | speaking of a debug board, is there anything you can do to a neo that one cannot fix? |
| 16:01.10 | fugazy | but ubbots is still the stock one |
| 16:01.20 | roh | wow.. that was fast |
| 16:01.24 | cb22 | besides striking it with a hammer |
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| 16:01.45 | roh | Henryk yamato.hyte.de/tmp/ |
| 16:01.58 | thos | cb22: you can find someone who does have a debug board |
| 16:02.02 | Henryk | roh: kthx |
| 16:02.17 | roh | trunk_svn.berlios.de_.openocd_206_.tar.gz 100% 596KB 45.9KB/s 00:13 |
| 16:02.30 | roh | wtf is wrong.. umts upload seems faster than download |
| 16:02.37 | roh | *scratch* |
| 16:02.47 | cb22 | bwah |
| 16:02.52 | cb22 | those speeds are faster then my adsl :/ |
| 16:03.26 | roh | cb22 well. i cannot get dsl here.. i'm living in a opal-ghetto |
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| 16:03.53 | kousu | cb22: according to http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_e398-690.php that phone doesn't have gsm850. So yeah, it probably wasn't that.. |
| 16:04.13 | roh | cb22 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optische_Anschlussleitung |
| 16:04.40 | roh | means there is fibre into my cellar, but they cannot deliver ip or dsl, just isdn or pots |
| 16:04.48 | cb22 | ouch |
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| 16:05.59 | flaushy | means they should install vdsl, but refuse :/ |
| 16:06.07 | flaushy | crappy telco |
| 16:06.44 | roh | flaushy well.. as long as vdsl only gives t-com ip i do not want it.. then rather cablemodel (which is also not avail here) |
| 16:07.03 | roh | flaushy but i soon want to move. so.. only a matter of time ;) |
| 16:07.08 | flaushy | hooray :) |
| 16:07.19 | flaushy | i hate the politics of german telecom |
| 16:07.27 | flaushy | mate of mine lived behind a mux |
| 16:07.28 | roh | i hate dynip |
| 16:07.38 | flaushy | u can tunnel |
| 16:07.48 | roh | *sigh* |
| 16:08.01 | flaushy | yepe, umts aint too great either :( |
| 16:09.07 | roh | flaushy well.. i now use a eplus flat i got borrowed by a friend with a novatel merlin U630 (that card rocks, much better than the option ones) |
| 16:09.28 | flaushy | ah okie |
| 16:09.52 | roh | need to find out which chipset they use yet |
| 16:09.55 | flaushy | mate used umts since it started, piece of shit, since opal areas are too heavily overbooked |
| 16:10.17 | flaushy | but she said it gotten better |
| 16:10.31 | roh | jap. i must confess its quite impressive performance.. only 160msec latency atm |
| 16:10.50 | flaushy | i was on GPRS for some time |
| 16:10.55 | flaushy | was a hell of a time :( |
| 16:12.10 | roh | flaushy which city are you in? |
| 16:12.42 | flaushy | i was living close to hannover, german post did the telco wiring throu a forest instead of next town :( |
| 16:12.47 | flaushy | then i was in lübeck |
| 16:12.52 | flaushy | now dresden |
| 16:13.27 | flaushy | u? |
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| 16:13.36 | roh | berlin mitte |
| 16:13.41 | flaushy | uh great |
| 16:13.59 | flaushy | at least there are freifunk lans evolving |
| 16:14.26 | roh | well.. ive got the community around the corner. they meet on wednesdays in cbase |
| 16:14.33 | flaushy | german telco has no idea how much it helped such technologies as meshes and alternatives :) |
| 16:14.56 | roh | but my flat is too deep buried in houses so i do not get any link |
| 16:15.14 | roh | and mesh is most of the time even flakier than umts |
| 16:15.26 | flaushy | yeah |
| 16:15.38 | flaushy | but a huge deal of effort is put into it |
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| 16:17.01 | flaushy | just a quick question, when will it be possible to buy end user device? |
| 16:17.05 | flaushy | with wlan and stuff? |
| 16:17.19 | flaushy | is there an ETA yet? |
| 16:17.53 | roh | flaushy hehe.. no detailes one.. to many uncertanties. the hw ill be available hopefully end of the year |
| 16:17.55 | ozarka | flaushy: We don't talk about that here. Check the topic. :-) |
| 16:17.57 | Henryk | flaushy: look at the topic :) |
| 16:18.23 | flaushy | thx |
| 16:18.35 | roh | flaushy how soon we can do 'stable' and basic featurecomplete sw is another question ;) |
| 16:18.40 | ozarka | If you bring up GTA02, then people start making lists of features, and the whole thing spirals out of control. |
| 16:18.45 | flaushy | just wondered |
| 16:18.48 | flaushy | yeah |
| 16:18.53 | flaushy | got an motorola a780 |
| 16:19.14 | flaushy | and need another gps device for some stuff at college |
| 16:19.18 | flaushy | and need wlan :/ |
| 16:19.30 | flaushy | so i just wondered |
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| 16:23.09 | flaushy | anyhow, is there a team yet, that tries to get openmoko ready for blind people? |
| 16:23.23 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 16:23.39 | flaushy | okie |
| 16:23.54 | roh | flaushy how should that work with a touchscreen? |
| 16:24.01 | flaushy | voice |
| 16:24.03 | flaushy | over edges |
| 16:24.05 | roh | morse with the vibra? |
| 16:24.14 | flaushy | no, u have 4 corners u can use |
| 16:24.16 | flaushy | for instance |
| 16:24.35 | flaushy | usb host, bluetooth |
| 16:24.41 | robtaylor | flaushy: you should probably talk to the GNOME Accessibility people |
| 16:24.42 | flaushy | software that is ready for screen readers |
| 16:24.51 | XorA | two neo and accellerometer and you could do semaphore |
| 16:24.57 | roh | flaushy are there portable braille devices? |
| 16:24.57 | robtaylor | flaushy: #orca perhaps |
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| 16:25.07 | flaushy | there are roh |
| 16:25.14 | flaushy | we got a blind studying computer sciences |
| 16:25.21 | robtaylor | flaushy: (on GIMPNet) |
| 16:25.36 | flaushy | thx rob :) |
| 16:26.09 | roh | flaushy well.. when the 'middleware' works it should be easy to build a 'ui' with in/output and menufoo suitable to use without vision i thikn |
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| 16:30.21 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * icons/openmoko-standard/22x22/stock/moko-contact-address.png |
| 16:30.21 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * icons/openmoko-standard/22x22/stock/moko-contact-birthday.png |
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| 16:30.21 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * icons/openmoko-standard/22x22/stock/moko-contact-phone.png |
| 16:30.24 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Fix image dimensions |
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| 16:43.23 | bedboi | hi there |
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| 16:53.49 | PBeck | hi |
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| 17:12.22 | srid | hello! |
| 17:12.38 | srid | I'm pleased to see http://www.openmoko.com/products-neo-base-00-stdkit.html |
| 17:13.02 | srid | a friend-of-friend is returning from the US to India on Nov 3rd; I'd like to get it shipped before that. |
| 17:13.07 | srid | .. to US addr. |
| 17:13.42 | srid | oh, GTA02 comes with WiFi??!? |
| 17:14.07 | zash | japp |
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| 17:14.24 | srid | ok, I think I can wait. |
| 17:14.31 | XorA | heh heh |
| 17:14.44 | srid | possible to bulk-order, in future, for we Indians? |
| 17:15.34 | gamin | Is there a way to shut off the themeing-enging for testing purposes? i.e. getting plain widgets? |
| 17:15.56 | gamin | engine even |
| 17:16.09 | roh | srid jap. gta02 will have that (bulk ordering) |
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| 17:16.47 | srid | jap? |
| 17:16.52 | XorA | srid: BTW I hear the main buzz at FOSS.in is OpenMoko phones |
| 17:16.52 | roh | yes |
| 17:16.58 | srid | XorA: ohhhh |
| 17:17.02 | srid | roh: what is jap? |
| 17:17.10 | XorA | srid: jap == yes |
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| 17:17.35 | roh | srid something between yes ja und yep ;) |
| 17:17.44 | srid | I have been doing some research for buying flash disk based mp3 player. maybe, I can settle with gta02. |
| 17:17.53 | srid | roh: :) |
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| 17:22.25 | anrp | 8085 ~_~ |
| 17:22.38 | anrp | why, back in my day, [...] ! |
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| 17:29.59 | gamin | wow, kicking out the theming makes openmoko lightening fast!! |
| 17:30.17 | CM | gamin: Ah, cool |
| 17:30.55 | CM | I'm screened on the same net as ftp.ubuntu.org.. |
| 17:31.23 | roh | hrr |
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| 17:31.43 | gamin | just rename: /usr/share/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0DISABLED/gtkrc |
| 17:31.48 | gamin | and restart the xserver |
| 17:32.45 | gamin | dates turns into speeddating :P |
| 17:32.59 | zash | and then it goes default-gtk? |
| 17:33.30 | gamin | zash: looks like |
| 17:34.07 | gamin | and lots less wasted screen estate |
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| 17:34.24 | CM | Hmm.. So theming is that slow? Wonder what can be done about that. |
| 17:34.48 | gamin | CM: that's why 04 has gpu and faster cpu |
| 17:35.08 | zash | wasnt the theme made in some crappy way? |
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| 17:35.12 | anrp | gpu accel will probably be marginal for gtk |
| 17:35.13 | zash | pixmaps or something |
| 17:35.58 | anrp | of course the current cpu's framebuffer is absolutely primitive and doesn't even support lots of stuff |
| 17:36.16 | anrp | so the better cpu+gpu combo will likely improve things |
| 17:36.23 | ScaredyCat | ahem |
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| 17:36.34 | ScaredyCat | isn't that the microsoft way |
| 17:36.38 | zash | why not dump the whole gtk-thing, and have a x-less phone? ;) |
| 17:36.48 | ScaredyCat | more cpu capin' |
| 17:36.51 | lukaszb | Any guess when will me GSM usable? |
| 17:36.55 | ScaredyCat | she canny take any moore |
| 17:36.55 | gamin | zash: how shall I remote X then :) |
| 17:37.07 | zash | gamin: ssh über alles |
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| 17:37.37 | zash | just black terminal and a keyboard |
| 17:37.37 | CM | abraxa_: Better? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/a75eb7618d19bdd69ac683145e4b8d42.png |
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| 17:37.56 | anrp | depends on your definition of usable |
| 17:38.06 | anrp | in a technical sense, yes, it works |
| 17:38.19 | anrp | from a user perspective, it's not going to be ready for some period of time |
| 17:38.22 | cb22 | well, echoing AT commands to the GSM modem is probably more usable then GSMd now |
| 17:38.24 | ScaredyCat | holy crap that's 1000 times faster |
| 17:38.31 | lukaszb | ;] |
| 17:38.53 | zash | ScaredyCat: screenshot us exclamation-mark |
| 17:39.07 | CM | ScaredyCat: scap ftw! |
| 17:39.33 | ScaredyCat | scap not included :( |
| 17:39.42 | CM | Not? |
| 17:39.47 | ScaredyCat | not |
| 17:40.02 | CM | Just hold in aux and get a screenshot |
| 17:40.05 | ScaredyCat | will use old fashioned way |
| 17:40.29 | anrp | dd if=/dev/fb bs=$((640*480*2)) of=screenshot.raw count=1 |
| 17:40.30 | anrp | D:? |
| 17:40.30 | ScaredyCat | uno omento purrrr faaa voor |
| 17:40.49 | lukaszb | anrp: 640*480*16 |
| 17:40.57 | anrp | not 16 bytes per pixel |
| 17:41.01 | zash | cat fbdev > somefile |
| 17:41.14 | ScaredyCat | cat /dev/fb0 >myfile.raw |
| 17:41.16 | gamin | hey and mediaplayer uses less than 100% CPU now! |
| 17:41.20 | anrp | lol |
| 17:41.21 | zash | and alt-a hates me |
| 17:44.12 | ScaredyCat | scap |
| 17:44.39 | gamin | gpe-scap? |
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| 17:46.23 | ScaredyCat | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ |
| 17:47.02 | lukaszb | hmmmmm. Is it possible to use pppd withoud gpsd? |
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| 17:48.22 | olle_ | im planning to buy an "openmoko phone", a.k.a. neo1973. is the hardware stable? and is openmoko stable? and is the qtopia port stable? a lot of questions ;) |
| 17:48.36 | ScaredyCat | we're not stable |
| 17:48.49 | olle_ | do you prefer openmoko or qtopia? |
| 17:48.59 | ScaredyCat | the media player looks a little odd with no 'skin' |
| 17:49.03 | olle_ | which one isnt stable? |
| 17:49.06 | olle_ | all of them? |
| 17:49.17 | Vegar | neither of them are stable |
| 17:49.22 | ScaredyCat | I prefer neither... I like the chance to pick which ever suits my mood |
| 17:49.25 | lukaszb | olle_: everything is under development ;-) |
| 17:49.36 | cb22 | including the kitchen sink |
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| 17:49.56 | olle_ | sure, debian testing is under development to |
| 17:49.57 | lukaszb | although it is lot of fun ;] |
| 17:50.28 | lukaszb | olle_: but debian is quite old and mature project |
| 17:50.30 | Vegar | olle_: debian unstable is more stable than most distros' stable branches |
| 17:51.09 | olle_ | i just mean that 'under development' doesnt mean unstable |
| 17:51.29 | lukaszb | olle_: in this case it means |
| 17:51.50 | olle_ | is it usable? can you use it as your primary mobile phone? |
| 17:51.58 | cb22 | lol ^-^ |
| 17:52.20 | lukaszb | it surely won't work out of the box ;-) |
| 17:52.26 | olle_ | very funny... |
| 17:52.32 | lukaszb | it's true! |
| 17:52.48 | lukaszb | it won't even power on until you flash it |
| 17:52.49 | olle_ | ok. |
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| 17:53.27 | olle_ | too bad, i hoped i could use this thing by christmas but i guess i have to wait. |
| 17:54.35 | CM | olle_: The battery life isn't good either |
| 17:54.49 | CM | No real powermanagement yet, but it's getting better |
| 17:54.55 | gamin | by chrismas it may be quite usable - i guess |
| 17:55.25 | gamin | gpe-sketchbook is a nice app |
| 17:56.29 | olle_ | remember to send me an email as soon as anything happens! o:) |
| 17:56.43 | olle_ | is there some general mailing list |
| 17:56.44 | olle_ | ? |
| 17:56.52 | ScaredyCat | there is power management CM ... |
| 17:56.57 | ScaredyCat | take the battery out |
| 17:57.30 | olle_ | haha |
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| 18:06.57 | abraxa_ | CM: Yup, much better ;) |
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| 18:09.40 | gamin | what needs to be changed to connect to the xserver on the neo? |
| 18:09.59 | gamin | I get "Xlib: No protocol specified" when trying to connect... |
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| 18:10.55 | woglinde | gamin tcp is disabled per defaukt |
| 18:11.09 | gamin | is that compile time only? |
| 18:11.13 | woglinde | you have to restart it with the right option |
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| 18:11.43 | gamin | man xinit? |
| 18:11.48 | woglinde | man X |
| 18:11.49 | Orzech_ | hi, did anyone have problems with compiling gcc-cross-4.1.2-r9? |
| 18:13.07 | Orzech_ | I've some error like: In file included from /home/openmoko/om/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/gcc-cross-4.1.2-r9/gcc-4.1.2/libiberty/regex.c:51: |
| 18:13.07 | Orzech_ | /home/openmoko/om/build/tmp/cross/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/include/sys/types.h:100: error: two or more data types in declaration specifiers |
| 18:13.07 | Orzech_ | In file included from /home/openmoko/om/build/tmp/cross/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/include/sys/types.h:223, |
| 18:13.07 | Orzech_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.09 | Orzech_ | /home/openmoko/om/build/tmp/cross/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/include/sys/sysmacros.h:31: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'unsigned' |
| 18:13.40 | gamin | hmm, man X says it is -nolisten tcp, but that is nowhere to be found |
| 18:13.44 | woglinde | Orzech I have never seen such an error with gcc |
| 18:14.03 | cb22 | i have, but compiling linux stuff on freebsd |
| 18:14.05 | woglinde | gamin -nolisten tcp is for disabling it |
| 18:14.28 | gamin | yep, but that is nowhere under /etc or /etc/X11 |
| 18:14.37 | gamin | I grepped |
| 18:14.43 | Orzech_ | so, nobody knows how to fix it? :) |
| 18:14.57 | gamin | and there is no -listen tcp :( |
| 18:15.01 | gamin | to enable |
| 18:15.07 | woglinde | gamin hm right |
| 18:15.27 | woglinde | gmain what sys netstat or lsof? |
| 18:15.37 | woglinde | is the xserver listening on the ports? |
| 18:17.45 | Orzech_ | this problem is on fresh sources :/ |
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| 18:20.41 | abraxa_ | Orzech_: Please use a pastebin next time ;) |
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| 18:21.06 | Orzech_ | no problem, I can use it now ;) |
| 18:22.23 | abraxa_ | zash: Not using X would limit the usability of the Neo too much as you'd basically be stuck with one widget library - meaning that you can't run apps that don't use it |
| 18:22.43 | abraxa_ | That in turn goes against OpenMoko's vision of "giving user the choice" |
| 18:22.59 | gamin | woglinde: nothing on 6000 but 6010-6015 |
| 18:23.01 | abraxa_ | But of course, it would be faster indeed ;) |
| 18:23.12 | zash | but it would be cool to have no x |
| 18:23.29 | Vegar | you can't play freeciv without X |
| 18:23.35 | zash | for the extra überleet |
| 18:23.44 | SpeedEvil | abraxa_: use the framebuffer. Job done. |
| 18:23.48 | woglinde | zash install qtopia |
| 18:24.00 | zash | woglinde: note that i dont have a neo |
| 18:24.26 | woglinde | zash than I dont get your problem |
| 18:24.35 | playya | dial 0190666666 |
| 18:24.54 | playya | and then output like wget :D |
| 18:25.02 | zash | hihi |
| 18:25.13 | playya | or |/-\| |
| 18:25.53 | playya | are there any rootfs or similar for scratchbox or comparable? |
| 18:26.35 | woglinde | playya what exactly you mean? |
| 18:27.08 | Orzech_ | abraxa_, error log is under http://www.pastebin.ca/741441 :) |
| 18:27.11 | playya | like n800 rootf images for scratchbox |
| 18:27.27 | playya | if you want to dev without the device |
| 18:28.01 | woglinde | playya did you read the wiki? |
| 18:28.20 | playya | searched sth |
| 18:28.27 | woglinde | but anyway the meta-toolchain is underconstruction |
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| 18:28.33 | playya | ok |
| 18:28.33 | woglinde | in openembedded |
| 18:28.47 | playya | i remember sth |
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| 18:56.36 | gamin | woglinde: started X per hand and can connect now. Thus x2x is usable now and I can use the keyboard and mouse from the desktop ... |
| 18:58.44 | mwester | Wow. getting rid of the theme surely does make the device snappy! |
| 18:59.03 | mwester | Time for an "Openmoko-lite" theme for the device, IMO. |
| 18:59.15 | gamin | :) |
| 18:59.16 | woglinde | gamin hehe |
| 18:59.30 | gamin | seems I started something ;) |
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| 19:18.13 | abraxa_ | mwester: According to Thomas it's the pixmap engine's fault |
| 19:18.20 | abraxa_ | (which I really can believe, seeing how buggy it is) |
| 19:18.43 | mwester | I don't even know what a pixmap engine does ;) Perhaps it needs an oil change? ;D |
| 19:18.48 | abraxa_ | mwester: http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2007/09/26/partial-tv-fame/ |
| 19:19.38 | abraxa_ | And yes, that engine isn't active in current images |
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| 19:20.23 | mwester | Color me stupid. But why in the name of all that is good, is anyone trying to compute images on-the-fly??!! I hope I'm reading that wrong. |
| 19:20.55 | mwester | The device has one display, of known size -- why not pre-scale all the images before install? |
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| 19:21.37 | Danker | mwester: I think you are talking right.... |
| 19:21.39 | mwester | Let an X86 box with an FPU make the pictures pretty, and then all that the device does is blit the images to the frame buffer... worked pretty well for the old Sun systems. |
| 19:21.42 | abraxa_ | Because it's GTK. GTK scales the widgets dynamically (which is just as unnecessary on the Neo) and along with the widgets it scales the images and backgrounds |
| 19:21.53 | anrp | yay sw scaling |
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| 19:22.05 | mwester | Is GTK sponsored by the silicon vendors, perhaps? ;) |
| 19:22.21 | anrp | ooh, a conspiracy! |
| 19:22.25 | abraxa_ | I dunno... I think GTK is rather braindead. (my personal opinion) |
| 19:22.27 | mwester | Intel Salesrep: "But of course you need an FPU in your phone, Mr Consumer!" |
| 19:24.00 | mwester | Well, I've learned something new. I must admit that I never even imagined that anyone would try to dynamically scale and dither images on-the-fly with standard X. |
| 19:24.49 | abraxa_ | Don't look at me :) |
| 19:24.49 | mwester | Shows how long ago it was that I last worked with X, I guess. At the time we still used X to "punch" a hole through to the raw graphics device beneath if you wanted to do anything more than simple bitmaps... |
| 19:25.06 | mwester | abraxa_: but I keep hoping you have a solution :D |
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| 19:43.43 | krLun | how does moko look without a theme? |
| 19:43.58 | CM | krLun: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ |
| 19:44.21 | woglinde | krlun start an X server without an windowmanger |
| 19:44.38 | afoo | could someone help with registering my sim to fido network |
| 19:44.53 | afoo | thanks btw, to CM, for the upgrade to the newer UI |
| 19:45.53 | CM | afoo: No thanks to me |
| 19:46.14 | CM | afoo: I'm just testing things and posting the occational screenshot :) |
| 19:46.27 | afoo | yeah, but the link to those images definitely helped |
| 19:46.40 | CM | Ahh.. Sure. Glad it worked :) |
| 19:46.41 | afoo | I was using 2007.1 before |
| 19:47.09 | CM | ;) |
| 19:48.55 | afoo | not sure how to start using ATDT, etc |
| 19:48.56 | krLun | what is this i read on openmoko planet today that there is some sort of internal disagreement in the core team |
| 19:49.09 | afoo | to set it up and register my sim |
| 19:49.17 | CM | krLun: It has been almost all the time.. |
| 19:49.23 | krLun | whats about it about, and how does it affect the neo release? |
| 19:49.24 | afoo | krLun, really, what kind of internal disagreement? |
| 19:49.39 | krLun | afoo: http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2007/10/17/on-to-taipei/ |
| 19:49.58 | CM | krLun: The devs have been under a lot of pressure all the time, and a lot of things have given them unnecessary problems |
| 19:50.24 | krLun | too worried? |
| 19:50.33 | krLun | is there a possibility that the entire project will be cancelled? |
| 19:50.39 | CM | No |
| 19:50.45 | CM | Can't imagine that |
| 19:50.53 | krLun | just a delay for neo release? |
| 19:50.59 | CM | Worst thing I guess is some kind of delay of the software |
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| 19:51.24 | linux-bastler | hello |
| 19:51.26 | krLun | hi |
| 19:52.01 | CM | krLun: I think there's been a lot of discussions about components for the gta02 too, especially gps and such |
| 19:52.02 | linux-bastler | I have a little problem while building openmoko for x86 with the MokoMakefile |
| 19:52.18 | linux-bastler | Here is the error-log: http://pastebin.com/d25ac1055 |
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| 19:53.15 | krLun | i thought the decision to go with ublox was fine with most ppl? |
| 19:53.24 | krLun | seems like a win-win decision for everyone |
| 19:53.41 | krLun | decent chipset, open datasheets, high availablity |
| 19:53.42 | CM | krLun: I have no idea, but I guess it's all settled and good by now. Hope so at least :) |
| 19:53.59 | CM | linux-bastler: Hmm.. You can try rebuilding some things |
| 19:55.26 | CM | linux-bastler: Try being in your moko dir, do: cd build;source ../setup-env;bitbake -c rebuild qmake2-native icu; bitbake -c rebuild webkit-gtk |
| 19:55.33 | linux-bastler | CM: How? |
| 19:56.23 | CM | There's something weird with qmake2 and webkit-gtk |
| 19:56.36 | linux-bastler | CM: OK, I try this |
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| 20:18.37 | linux-bastler | CM: It works, thx |
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| 20:19.38 | CM | linux-bastler: Good to hear :) |
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| 20:23.46 | xx14 | anyone knows what happaned to ipkg, half of repositories are missing? |
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| 20:32.08 | abraxa_ | xx14: buildhost is down, yes, however ScaredyCat's and rwhitby's repos are available |
| 20:32.37 | xx14 | abraxa_: how do i configure ipkg to use those? |
| 20:34.03 | abraxa_ | xx14: Grab http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/scaredycat.conf and put it in /etc/ipkg/ |
| 20:34.29 | abraxa_ | You don't need to use both, either one is fine |
| 20:37.37 | xx14 | abraxa_: is that an identical mirror? |
| 20:37.53 | abraxa_ | xx14: Yes |
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| 20:38.29 | xx14 | i guess it means there were alot of changes in just few days ;) |
| 20:38.56 | abraxa_ | xx14: ScaredyCat's however also offers non-standard packages like scummvm, too |
| 20:39.05 | abraxa_ | So that's why I prefer it |
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| 20:41.18 | xx14 | heh, got some games running on it? |
| 20:42.05 | Henryk | xx14: http://www2.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~ploetz/DSC01451.JPG |
| 20:42.57 | xx14 | heheh sweet ;) |
| 20:44.18 | hrw | openmoko powered devices can use Angstrom feeds basically - atleast it should work |
| 20:44.59 | xx14 | wonder if it could be convinced to run second reality |
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| 20:45.56 | abraxa_ | Henryk: The border around the display is straight... is that your Neo? If so, what h/w revision? |
| 20:46.58 | Henryk | abraxa_: border? Technically the neo belongs to the university, but i carry it with me most of the time. that's a gta01bv4 |
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| 20:49.35 | abraxa_ | What the... I'm looking for Neo pictures and find this: http://wapain.net/my/uploads/Subat07/openmoko-neo1973-car-kit.jpg |
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| 20:50.07 | SpeedEvil | That was an initial pic |
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| 20:50.13 | SpeedEvil | I don't think it's available |
| 20:50.26 | abraxa_ | Hmm, I see |
| 20:50.33 | abraxa_ | That explains why I never saw it before then :) |
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| 20:51.15 | nelson | Hmmm.... what's the default root password? |
| 20:51.21 | mjr | none |
| 20:51.30 | Henryk | No password, just hit enter |
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| 20:51.44 | nelson | ssh seems not even to transmit it. |
| 20:52.11 | mwester | Pretty good security, huh? Hackers will try for HOURS, trying to break in with all sorts of different passwords... :P |
| 20:52.30 | SpeedEvil | Actually I think it also accepts any password |
| 20:52.42 | mwester | It does. I was being facetious. :) |
| 20:53.17 | mwester | Henryk: does the game come with scummvm, too? |
| 20:53.34 | abraxa_ | Henryk: http://mobilegazette.com/handsets/other/openmoko-neo1973/openmoko-neo1973-black.jpg - you can see that the top cover is beveled around the display; yours is not |
| 20:53.45 | Henryk | mwester: no. you need to find a copy of the games yourself |
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| 20:54.09 | mwester | I kinda figured :D |
| 20:54.22 | abraxa_ | mwester: Try http://www.the-underdogs.info |
| 20:54.35 | abraxa_ | It has scummvm games, too |
| 20:54.37 | mwester | Needs buttons for a lot of games, doesn't it? |
| 20:55.50 | Henryk | abraxa_: hmm, I can't see any difference between the images |
| 20:56.46 | CM | abraxa_: I'm not sure there is a difference either, even if I get what you mean |
| 20:56.49 | Henryk | mwester: I've successfully used (though in a different context) a Sone Ericsson W800i as a bluetooth HID device with the neo. the buttons that the W880i emulates are freely programmable ... ;-) |
| 20:56.58 | CM | The gradient is quite steep |
| 20:58.08 | Henryk | mwester: most games will only use the mouse. there is a special start script for the neo which rotates the screen and remaps the aux key to pop up the scummvm menu (e.g. save/restore game progress, exit, ...) but unfortunately it still also pops up the today application |
| 20:58.59 | Henryk | due to this playing is not as joyful as it could be (e.g. without an ESC key and without the possibility to load a previous game you can't skip the intro in monkey island) |
| 20:59.22 | Henryk | plus: if you hit the edges of the screen with the stylus the screen will decalibrate |
| 20:59.55 | xx14 | ipkg barfs : But that file is already provided by package libmokojournal2 ... |
| 20:59.56 | mwester | I'm installing scummvm now - this is just too interesting to pass up. Thanks for the hints -- the edge-of-the-screen one is interesting, I presume thats a "mis-feature" |
| 21:00.16 | abraxa_ | Henryk: http://abraxa.dyndns.org:81/random/border.png should make it more clear |
| 21:00.41 | abraxa_ | Henryk: Basically, the case you have makes it harder to hit the touchscreen at the edges |
| 21:01.00 | CM | mwester: Just o you know, Beneath a Steel Sky doesn't work because it requires right-clicking |
| 21:01.11 | Fatal | BASS<3 |
| 21:01.23 | CM | Fatal: :) |
| 21:01.49 | abraxa_ | CM: I was thinking of patching scummvm to make it fully usable on the Neo - e.g. substituting a right-click with a double-click |
| 21:01.51 | mwester | Beneath a Steel Sky is a butt? |
| 21:02.01 | Henryk | abraxa_: ah, no. yours is exactly the same as mine, but you can't see the bevel due to the way the photo is taken and the lighting |
| 21:02.05 | CM | mwester: :P |
| 21:02.16 | CM | ~fish mwester |
| 21:02.16 | apt | ACTION slaps mwester around with a large trout |
| 21:02.31 | abraxa_ | Henryk: Oh, really? Hmm... okay then. I was really thrown off because I looked at all four edges and it looked different to me :) |
| 21:02.35 | abraxa_ | But I'm glad then |
| 21:02.59 | cjb_ie | you thought they were lying about there being only one rev of plastics? :-) |
| 21:03.23 | Henryk | seeing such things on a black case is hard. i just had the neo in my hand and couldn't see the bevel until i got another lamp |
| 21:03.24 | abraxa_ | I never heard such a statement ;) |
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| 21:06.29 | Jiten | abraxa_: how about not using a double click but if you keep pressing for some time it simulates a right click? |
| 21:07.22 | abraxa_ | Jiten: I'm not sure, it was just a thought. If some game requires right-click+drag+release then this wouldn't be possible |
| 21:08.05 | abraxa_ | And I wonder if MAME will run on the Neo... |
| 21:08.30 | woglinde | abraxa why not? |
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| 21:09.11 | abraxa_ | woglinde: Because I never used MAME before so I don't know if it runs on ARM or not and how it'll perform on a 640x480 screen :) |
| 21:09.42 | woglinde | http://wiki.gp2x.org/wiki/MAME_GP2X |
| 21:10.09 | abraxa_ | GP2X is ARM? |
| 21:10.10 | woglinde | problem is how to control it with touchscreen |
| 21:10.14 | woglinde | abraxa yes |
| 21:10.18 | abraxa_ | Nice :) |
| 21:10.23 | woglinde | didnt you know? |
| 21:10.49 | abraxa_ | No, I quite frankly don't care about the GP2X - I'm not a gamer really :) |
| 21:10.50 | Jiten | abraxa_: there is a port of XMAME on n800 |
| 21:11.44 | abraxa_ | However lots of people will buy/use BT keyboards with the Neo so that could be quite nice, combined with a Neo stand |
| 21:12.18 | woglinde | abraxa yes you are right |
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| 21:58.30 | cb22 | abraxa_, like me :) |
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| 22:34.10 | abraxa_ | Wow, that's one late comment ;) |
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| 22:38.39 | mwester | He was busy playing a game, I think. |
| 22:41.29 | abraxa_ | I wouldn't doubt it. |
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| 22:50.46 | cb22 | hehe |
| 22:51.04 | cb22 | hey, i was only an hour late or so :) |
| 22:52.49 | pvanhoof | Writchie, ping |
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| 23:49.31 | sagacis_ | heyho |
| 23:50.25 | summatusmentis | hi |
| 23:50.54 | sagacis_ | I'm still having weird problems with my neo. Should I reflash the u-boot, kernel and rootfs with the current stuff? |
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| 23:54.54 | CoreDump | don't touch uboot if you do not have a debug board. It usually isn't worth the risk |
