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| 00:15.28 | CoreDump | ljp: I have to say, your qtopia-image is impressive. I'm looking forward to the next round of QT vs X wars ; |
| 00:15.34 | CoreDump | ;) |
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| 00:26.52 | ljp | CoreDump: thanks |
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| 00:39.18 | Mek | hmm... marble's ui is not really suited for the neo, and it is way too slow to be useful, but it does run :) http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/1239b3f4e2f8e1a396c8969a88ac74f2.png and http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/aa10066abfcb9fdf9fb657ae0e08c0a6.png :) |
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| 00:57.47 | mwester | CoreDump: Good to see you back, but I do feel the need to confiscate your neo's due to "willful abandonment" :p :) |
| 00:57.59 | CoreDump | ;) |
| 00:58.39 | mwester | Kexec is working, and with the SD card we really need a good way to boot alternate kernels and rootfs's |
| 00:59.59 | mwester | I'm wondering if you know of any software that might be able to do such a thing ;) |
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| 01:01.29 | linuxxr | is that not what lilo does? |
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| 01:01.51 | linuxxr | a newbs answer |
| 01:04.27 | linuxxr | im waiting till u guys fix this s tuff :) |
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| 01:16.57 | CoreDump | mwester: uboot should be able to do so OOTB |
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| 01:26.50 | mwester | CoreDump: Theoretically, it *should*. |
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| 01:28.31 | CoreDump | I'm pretty certain that you can do that by manipulating the u-boot env |
| 01:30.20 | mwester | Yep, you can change command line args to select the rootfs, and it is supposed to be able to load a kernel from the sd card, if the sd card is ext3, and if it works (reports are that recent version of uboot don't do this. |
| 01:31.09 | mwester | Overall, an expert can make uboot do what they wish, but the average joe who just wants to select from a menu to boot qtopia, or boot openmoko version x or openmoko version y -- they're out of luck. |
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| 01:31.46 | CoreDump | do what I do...install qtopia on one Neo, and OM on the other =D |
| 01:31.55 | CoreDump | but you are of course right |
| 01:32.20 | Quinn_Storm | well, I got a prepaid t-mobile sim, have it in, I tried the qtopia image, still no love but I could have done something wrong so I'm going back to OM (I got the t-mobile acct/sim b/c my at&t wouldn't work, was informed it was due to the 850 band) |
| 01:32.28 | mwester | Of course, one can counter that by observing that openmoko and qtopia shouldn't require different rootfs's, but it's hard enough to get openmoko to work at all, much less integrate it with qtopia! :o |
| 01:32.50 | CoreDump | mwester: indeed |
| 01:33.24 | CoreDump | Quinn_Storm: I was able to make a call the qtopia (even tho the side-tone is too loud). Can't say the same for OM =( |
| 01:33.25 | mwester | Quinn_Storm: prepaid t-mobile sim works fine for me on the original qtopia image -- that one was the only way I've ever actually gotten an SMS message to arrive. |
| 01:33.54 | Quinn_Storm | qtopia, left sitting for 10+ minutes, never found a network (using the most recent qtopia image) |
| 01:34.02 | Quinn_Storm | should I use the older image? |
| 01:34.23 | CoreDump | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/?M=D <- I used that one |
| 01:34.38 | Quinn_Storm | no idea if that's the same as mine |
| 01:34.53 | Quinn_Storm | err there's lots of images there |
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| 01:35.07 | mwester | I don't know, but the europe crowd has some individuals who have been tracking the qtopia developments, they would know better (they're asleep right now, of course) |
| 01:35.31 | Quinn_Storm | hmm, can I add this particular source to the mac downloader app? |
| 01:36.21 | Quinn_Storm | the 2007.2 is missing from it |
| 01:36.31 | Quinn_Storm | so I'm working with rather old images I thin |
| 01:37.29 | Quinn_Storm | is the latest kernel & stuff a good idea too? or is the latest rootfs usually enough? (I am very very new to this device) |
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| 01:39.44 | Quinn_Storm | argh, google wifi sucks |
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| 01:44.53 | Quinn_Storm | well I'm pushing the latest qtopia img from that site |
| 01:44.53 | Quinn_Storm | I wish the flash was faster |
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| 01:54.53 | Quinn_Storm | I'm beginning to wonder if I should have bought a cheap handset to make sure my prepaid account works |
| 01:55.15 | Quinn_Storm | this qtopia image is doing the same nothing |
| 01:55.35 | Quinn_Storm | it just sits forever at a screen with "no network", three icon buttons that do nothing, and a softkey saying "unlock" that also does nothing |
| 01:55.50 | Mek | if you wanted a phone to use as your normal phone you indeed should never even considered buying a GTA01... |
| 01:55.53 | cesarb | Quinn_Storm: try holding aux |
| 01:56.02 | Quinn_Storm | Mek: well of course, that's not what I meant |
| 01:56.30 | Quinn_Storm | I have an iPhone for my normal phone |
| 01:56.30 | Quinn_Storm | cesarb: yeah aux can get me to the icon screen |
| 01:56.32 | cesarb | Quinn_Storm: if you are lucky you will manage to find after going back and forth the qtopia main menu (a screen full of colorful guess-what-this-means icons) |
| 01:56.46 | Quinn_Storm | yeah I'm there |
| 01:57.13 | cesarb | Quinn_Storm: there you can do several things (like changing the screen background image) ;-) |
| 01:57.22 | Quinn_Storm | lol |
| 01:57.37 | Quinn_Storm | how do I...y'know...use it like a phone? the qtopia image was supposed to work last I heard |
| 01:58.00 | Quinn_Storm | yeah I love the 280 dpi screen |
| 01:58.29 | ljp | snapshots are not a finished release, so breakage is bound to happen |
| 01:58.31 | cesarb | Quinn_Storm: the first qtopia snapshot did work fine as a phone after you hand-loaded the alsa state for the sound, from what I've heard |
| 01:58.41 | cesarb | Quinn_Storm: the current one I don't know whether it works |
| 01:58.56 | Quinn_Storm | yeah, I would be happy to hand-load the alsa state if that was all that was wrong |
| 01:59.01 | cesarb | Quinn_Storm: ljp is the one who created the qtopia snapshots, so he knows better than me ;-) |
| 01:59.01 | Quinn_Storm | I just don't even know where to begin |
| 01:59.17 | Quinn_Storm | I got it to a dialer screen that just says "please wait" |
| 01:59.49 | ljp | try the tech preview release |
| 01:59.51 | Quinn_Storm | ljp: do...any of them work? I really want to know that I didn't waste my money on the t-mobile sim and can actually do some work on...something for this nice little device |
| 02:00.02 | Quinn_Storm | I did |
| 02:00.09 | Quinn_Storm | that was the first release I tried |
| 02:00.14 | ljp | some sims seem to have problems |
| 02:00.15 | Quinn_Storm | basically the same issues |
| 02:00.22 | Quinn_Storm | I've tried two now, my at&t and this new t-mo |
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| 02:00.44 | ljp | i have one that works fine, one that I got working yesterday, and one that doesn't work |
| 02:01.23 | Quinn_Storm | the qtopia images don't have minicom, right? I could always test that stuff by hand... |
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| 02:01.44 | ljp | i suppose you could install minicom |
| 02:01.54 | ljp | they do have phonebounce |
| 02:02.10 | Quinn_Storm | phonebounce? |
| 02:02.40 | Quinn_Storm | (I'm a total noob to the actual apps on the moko/qtopia-moko, etc.) |
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| 02:04.43 | ljp | its a way to access the neo modem from ssh/telnet |
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| 02:05.14 | Quinn_Storm | ah ok...found the app |
| 02:05.25 | Quinn_Storm | now I just need to remember the devnode for the modem |
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| 02:09.02 | Quinn_Storm | weird, killing qpe caused it to restart and work |
| 02:09.08 | Quinn_Storm | now it shows t-mobile and a good signal |
| 02:10.49 | Quinn_Storm | anyway, bbl, leaving the restaurant |
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| 02:32.09 | AusMounty | hello folks :) |
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| 02:32.35 | raddy | Hello Everybody |
| 02:33.27 | raddy | Does the Antenna built into Neo 1973 good? |
| 02:35.30 | AusMounty | l8r :) |
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| 02:36.10 | raddy | Can anybody suggest a decent recent, kernel, rootfs combo? |
| 02:38.21 | raddy | I asked about the Antenna quality because, the phone detects tower availability in office, but not home, but our home also near by the tower station |
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| 02:40.10 | raddy | Anybody there? |
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| 02:41.29 | raddy | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.44 | raddy | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.25 | Writchie | raddy: neo works (on gsm 1900) about the same as many other phones - not as good as the best radios |
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| 02:50.37 | raddy | Writchie : hey, don't joke, Antenna also used to connect to GSM based towers |
| 02:52.37 | Writchie | raddy: no joke - i'm talking about gsm radio and antenna |
| 02:53.11 | Writchie | neo does not currently work at gsm 850 so depending where you are the tower you see may not be available |
| 02:53.23 | raddy | Writchie: ohh |
| 02:54.20 | raddy | Writchie: doesn't Neo 1973 doesn't yet have good tri-band support |
| 02:55.02 | Writchie | there is a problem with gsm850 which may be turned off in firmware for some reason, 900,1800,1900 work fine |
| 02:55.25 | Writchie | so it triband "by european definition of triband" |
| 02:55.44 | raddy | Writchie : also, My home and office are in same band, so, if it works ok in office, then it should in home too |
| 02:55.45 | Writchie | north american definition of triband is 850,1800,1900 |
| 02:55.48 | mwester-laptop | which is rather unfortunate for the North American folks... |
| 02:56.31 | Writchie | raddy: it should work more or less the same at same distance from tower (assuming same network). |
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| 02:57.16 | Writchie | everyones definition of quadband is the same (at least for now) 850,900,1800,1900 |
| 02:57.24 | raddy | Writchie : In Office Too, it some time works, and some time not, is it a software issue or hardware issue, i used more mature qtopia platform, still call stability is not there |
| 02:57.57 | Writchie | raddy: what country? |
| 02:58.14 | raddy | Writchie: Asia, India |
| 02:59.12 | Writchie | raddy: which city /carrier |
| 02:59.58 | raddy | Writchie: Bangalore, Airtel Mobile |
| 03:00.01 | Writchie | raddy: IIRC most of India is gsm 900 |
| 03:00.19 | raddy | Writchie: yup |
| 03:01.01 | Writchie | gsm 900 should work fine indoors and outdoors |
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| 03:01.20 | Writchie | what do you mean by call stability? |
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| 03:01.41 | raddy | Writchie : not stable, some time detects calls, some time not, some times no-network |
| 03:01.57 | Writchie | how far are you from tower? |
| 03:01.57 | raddy | Writchie: in-call quality is fine though |
| 03:02.41 | raddy | Writchie: i dunno the exact distance, but every other phones can detect the signal |
| 03:03.09 | stefan_schmidt | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/f18c4e094a52684055e3ec7d7b28dfbb.png |
| 03:03.21 | stefan_schmidt | GTA01 switched in QVGA mode with QVGA theme :) |
| 03:03.23 | raddy | Writchie: it might be an Qtopia bug, can you suggest good recent, kernel, rootfs combo |
| 03:04.11 | Writchie | raddy: no - I still do most of my testing from command line - although qtopia works reasonably well. |
| 03:04.48 | Writchie | I am on gsm 1900 in a semi-marginal service area - neo works similar to most other tri-band phones |
| 03:05.22 | Writchie | however, not as good as a few nokia models |
| 03:05.51 | raddy | Writchie: Me too don't have Nokia though |
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| 03:14.23 | Quinn_Storm | hi again, downloading the latest non-"scaredycat" image now (what's the difference btw?) |
| 03:15.51 | raddy | Quinn_Storm: Hi, are you the beryl fame? |
| 03:15.55 | Quinn_Storm | yep |
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| 03:16.03 | Quinn_Storm | (that's part of how I got my neo) |
| 03:16.34 | raddy | Quinn_Storm: Ohh, cool, are you using, Qtopia, or Openmoko? |
| 03:16.56 | Quinn_Storm | I'm trying to get anything to work, qtopia *almost* works but fails, I'm going back to the latest OM image |
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| 03:17.39 | raddy | Quinn_Storm: can you suggest a good openmoko kernel, rootfs combo? |
| 03:17.48 | Quinn_Storm | raddy: I'm *not* the person to ask about that |
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| 03:18.05 | raddy | Quinn_Storm : ok, np :) |
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| 03:44.28 | ljp | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.07 | Quinn_Storm | my sim seems to work in my neo (got qtopia to show tmobile and receive an sms) but I'm still having lots of trouble. also unlucky for me, no signal from tmobile in my apartment either |
| 03:45.56 | ljp | i have one sim that doesn't work on one neo, but another neo is does |
| 03:46.18 | Quinn_Storm | odd |
| 03:46.25 | ljp | ya |
| 03:46.59 | Mek | perhaps somehow the modems don't have the same firmware installed? |
| 03:51.37 | Quinn_Storm | ok now that's weird...the first time I booted this rootfs the icons showed up fine in the top bar, now they won't appear, just the app switcher menu |
| 03:52.30 | ljp | ya, the one where it does work is a v3, the one that doesn't is a v4 |
| 03:52.46 | ljp | havent checked other v4's around here yet |
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| 03:53.50 | Quinn_Storm | mine's a v4 (if you mean the GTA01BV4 sticker |
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| 04:15.38 | Quinn_Storm | I just made my first call (from the command-line) |
| 04:16.03 | daMaestro | nice |
| 04:16.10 | daMaestro | is the dialer still crashing? |
| 04:16.14 | Quinn_Storm | no idea |
| 04:16.24 | Quinn_Storm | I couldn't get the UI to recognize a network |
| 04:16.37 | Quinn_Storm | I had to drop to command-line and do the whole AT+COPS thing myself |
| 04:17.17 | Quinn_Storm | yeah the UI just goes 'waiting for network registration' |
| 04:17.25 | Quinn_Storm | any suggestions? |
| 04:17.46 | Quinn_Storm | (the dialer that is) |
| 04:18.29 | daMaestro | i've not updated in some time |
| 04:18.43 | Quinn_Storm | I'm running what I think is the latest 2007.2 image |
| 04:18.48 | daMaestro | but when i did get the dialer to work, it was in the very first few om2007.2 builds |
| 04:18.56 | Quinn_Storm | I got it here - http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/?M=D |
| 04:19.14 | Quinn_Storm | the 15-oct-2007 one |
| 04:19.33 | Quinn_Storm | I wonder what happens if I call it |
| 04:20.38 | Quinn_Storm | yeah I got voicemail, I think the ui is just not able to talk to the modem for some reason |
| 04:20.47 | Quinn_Storm | let me make sure gsmd is running |
| 04:20.57 | Quinn_Storm | yep its running |
| 04:21.11 | daMaestro | that is very possible |
| 04:22.42 | Quinn_Storm | I'll pop back into cu to see if I see RING |
| 04:22.50 | CM | I think there's been some issues with the dialer lately |
| 04:23.14 | Quinn_Storm | this is more than just the dialer, the icon shows ?, and it doesn't react to RING or anything |
| 04:23.18 | alphaone | Actually it's working quite stable for me at the moment |
| 04:23.43 | Quinn_Storm | alphaone - which rootfs / kernel? |
| 04:25.00 | alphaone | The one I built: https://totalueberwachung.de/~alphaone/openmoko-build/glibc/images/neo1973/ |
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| 04:25.31 | alphaone | Currently trying outgoing though |
| 04:25.52 | Quinn_Storm | I'll try yours (I see .de, is it localized or in C/en_US?) |
| 04:26.02 | Quinn_Storm | my kernel seems to be locking |
| 04:26.48 | alphaone | Nah, localization sucks ;-) |
| 04:27.11 | Quinn_Storm | good, b/c I only speak C/en_US |
| 04:27.18 | alphaone | At least for me it does. |
| 04:27.50 | alphaone | Use the kernel provided with the rootfs. |
| 04:27.56 | Quinn_Storm | will do |
| 04:29.23 | Quinn_Storm | do you do any special tricks after/during bootup or does it "just work" with that image for you |
| 04:29.23 | Quinn_Storm | ? |
| 04:31.08 | alphaone | Quinn_Storm: It usually works at least once |
| 04:31.12 | Quinn_Storm | also FWIW I have a v4 unit (GTA01BV4) |
| 04:31.32 | alphaone | me too |
| 04:31.45 | Quinn_Storm | though I doubt you're in the USA using a t-mobile prepaid sim :-P |
| 04:31.54 | daMaestro | i am :-D |
| 04:31.57 | alphaone | Although it's not quite the reworked one on sale |
| 04:31.59 | daMaestro | my att sim works too, so i got lucky |
| 04:32.27 | daMaestro | how can i clear a forward chain? (iptables on the host) |
| 04:32.32 | Quinn_Storm | mine's just whatever I got out of the box they sent me (it was a freebie, so I don't know if it came from the sale set or not, it seems like it must have given it came with all the accessories) |
| 04:33.24 | daMaestro | i'd like to test the update abilities... and my default chain on my desktop doesn't play nice |
| 04:33.44 | Quinn_Storm | iptables mystifies me |
| 04:34.08 | CM | I've never been able to use it easily either.. |
| 04:34.13 | daMaestro | i actually just read the man page (i just wanted to make sure i read it right ;-P) |
| 04:34.40 | CM | daMaestro: Maybe dump the current settings, remove the line you don't want, flush then reset everything? |
| 04:34.54 | daMaestro | well .. i can just delete the blocking line |
| 04:35.26 | daMaestro | i was wondering how to do it from my hotplug script (but i think that requires still removing the default drop |
| 04:36.07 | Quinn_Storm | yeah, just have to rely on a hardware firewall or at least a NAT set not to forward instead of that |
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| 04:37.00 | daMaestro | oh, no.. this is on my host (which is pretty custom setup.. and i need iptables) |
| 04:37.36 | daMaestro | the bridge has been annoying to deal with on more then one occasion.. but it makes virtualization sooo much better |
| 04:37.46 | Quinn_Storm | I hate network bridging |
| 04:37.49 | Quinn_Storm | with a passion |
| 04:37.53 | Quinn_Storm | it never ever ever works right |
| 04:37.55 | daMaestro | i love it (if setup right) |
| 04:38.05 | Quinn_Storm | yeah, most people do |
| 04:38.11 | Quinn_Storm | I guess I'm just unlucky |
| 04:38.19 | Quinn_Storm | (it especially hates wifi) |
| 04:39.04 | Quinn_Storm | also, not that I have to deal with it, I do work at vmware, and even there most people prefer the bridged networking (why I don't know), I think its a situation where I always have a weird setup so the default eth0 bridge is invariably wrong |
| 04:42.21 | egypt | bridged in vmware is handy for getting vms to talk to other hardware boxes on the same physical network |
| 04:42.34 | egypt | but yes, it's a pain when the default eth0 isn't what you want |
| 04:43.38 | Quinn_Storm | luckily the linux side will soon get a GUI network configurator...only about 5 years too late |
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| 04:45.39 | Quinn_Storm | hmm, matchbox-panel- is chewing cpu and the UI isn't coming up |
| 04:48.35 | CM | I had a build from 10/10 that worked just fine, but there seem to have been a lot of changes since |
| 04:49.16 | Quinn_Storm | this makes it hard to figure out how to help the project |
| 04:49.39 | CM | For sure. :( It hasn't been this bad in quite a while |
| 04:50.05 | atul | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.15 | Quinn_Storm | at least I can dial from a terminal -.- (not that that's terribly useful, though I guess I could load the alsa profile and stuff...) |
| 04:50.59 | Quinn_Storm | wow, it did |
| 04:50.59 | Quinn_Storm | wtf |
| 04:51.14 | CM | Heh.. |
| 04:52.25 | Quinn_Storm | ugh, still the same not registered issue |
| 04:58.26 | daMaestro | yesss... ipkg update is running :-D |
| 04:58.38 | daMaestro | i just had to add usb0 to the bridge (and clear the FORWARD chain) |
| 04:59.33 | daMaestro | i suppose now i can poke around more and write a correct FORWARD chain... now that i know i need to also brctl addif usb0 br0 |
| 05:02.26 | Quinn_Storm | I notice that libgsm-tool -m shell fails on my hardware, it refuses to ever return from commands, but I also know my hardware isn't totally broken since with cu and a few well placed stty crtscts's I can even make a call |
| 05:04.01 | Quinn_Storm | and now I have managed to lock up the kernel again |
| 05:05.21 | Quinn_Storm | well that's enough for one night, I'll play more with it tomorrow or whenever |
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| 05:22.33 | daMaestro | hmm ipkg upgrade is kinda slow |
| 05:23.05 | daMaestro | hmm my ssh session might have timed out :-/ |
| 05:23.55 | lukaszb | faster than apt-get on my notebook ;-) |
| 05:24.09 | daMaestro | ouch |
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| 05:39.42 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 05:48.03 | daMaestro | i'm getting dependency errors now |
| 05:49.46 | daMaestro | http://dpaste.com/22615/ <-- fun |
| 05:50.03 | summatusmentis | CM: can there be compiz on the GTA02? :-P that'd be sexy |
| 05:52.32 | CM | summatusmentis: I'm just guessing that the Quinn_Storm who was here earlier is the same as the Beryl developer |
| 05:56.58 | summatusmentis | oh... I guess I didn't make that connection, well done |
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| 05:58.57 | CM | summatusmentis: I guess I read too much about software and don't code enough ;) |
| 06:01.02 | summatusmentis | heh, the only coding I've been doing is scheme, for school |
| 06:01.07 | daMaestro | yuck |
| 06:01.28 | summatusmentis | it's not terrible, but I'm not a fan of syntax |
| 06:01.54 | summatusmentis | so I'd probably get yelled at for submitting stuff in scheme? :-P |
| 06:02.02 | daMaestro | no |
| 06:02.25 | CM | Well, I've been coding in APL at my current assignment |
| 06:02.31 | atul | How to install anjuta 1.2.4a I install this first then install 2.1 and then again remove all and now I want to install 1.2.4a How to do it. While Manually installinig this version of anjuat it gives me Error: Dependency is not satisfiable : libvte4 |
| 06:02.31 | CM | Beats all, I promise.. |
| 06:02.56 | CM | atul: Do you have vte installed? |
| 06:03.47 | CM | summatusmentis: Code example: http://www.acc.umu.se/~cm/apl2.png |
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| 06:04.20 | atul | CM, yes |
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| 06:05.48 | summatusmentis | CM: oh dear god... that's disgusting |
| 06:06.20 | CM | So if you'r a consultant, stay away from old mainframes using apl ;) |
| 06:08.49 | summatusmentis | lol, I hope to be doing OS stuff in 5 or 6 years |
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| 06:09.47 | atul | How to install anjuta 1.2.4a I install this first then install 2.1 and then again remove all and now I want to install 1.2.4a How to do it. While Manually installinig this version of anjuat it gives me Error: Dependency is not satisfiable : libvte4 |
| 06:10.11 | CM | atul: What distro? |
| 06:11.28 | atul | CM 7.0.4 |
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| 06:12.09 | atul | CM: distro is ubuntu 7.0.4 i use |
| 06:12.23 | CM | Hmm.. I use gentoo, trying to install it now |
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| 06:29.10 | atul | How to install anjuta 1.2.4a I install this first then install 2.1 and then again remove all and now I want to install 1.2.4a How to do it. While Manually installinig this version of anjuat it gives me Error: Dependency is not satisfiable : libvte4 |
| 06:31.04 | CM | atul: Your asking in the wrong channel. Check the ubuntu forums or some ubuntu-newbie channel or so |
| 06:31.32 | atul | CM, ok |
| 06:32.34 | bumkus | I just installed the September 16, 2009 openmoko snapshot and I'm having problems making outbound calls. |
| 06:32.42 | bumkus | I get the Dialer: Error setting antenna power |
| 06:32.54 | bumkus | And I'm also showing not registered on the GSM network |
| 06:33.01 | bumkus | any ideas on those two items? |
| 06:33.13 | CM | I would try a newer build |
| 06:33.29 | CM | There were lots of trouble with gsmd all september |
| 06:33.35 | bumkus | is there any way to upgrade with ipkg to newer builds? |
| 06:33.43 | bumkus | or is it going to take a rootfs reflash |
| 06:34.37 | XorA | 2009 snapshot, wow, that must be the one with no bugs :-D |
| 06:34.53 | bumkus | oops... hehe |
| 06:35.03 | CM | XorA: Hehe.. I'm not awake enough yet I guess.. Didn't even notice |
| 06:35.09 | bumkus | camera, wifi and google client support too - LOL |
| 06:35.37 | XorA | it will pull chicks/lads (depending on preferrence) for you |
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| 06:37.30 | bumkus | I'm going to ISPCON tomorrow, and a bunch of people want to see an OpenMoko phone. I'd really like to have it working. Not a big deal though. |
| 06:38.50 | XorA | bumkus: if you can get someone to ship you a build from last few days I think it will show it off a lot better |
| 06:39.53 | bumkus | where could I download a newer build? The ones I have all came from the build.openmoko.org site. |
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| 06:45.50 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ |
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| 06:56.17 | gi-el | argh i just have to say it |
| 06:56.17 | bumkus | thanks |
| 06:56.29 | gi-el | ScaredyCat: your nick constantly reminds me of the smelly cat episode of friends |
| 06:56.41 | gi-el | and the smelly cat song |
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| 06:56.45 | ScaredyCat | hey! I just showered! |
| 06:56.57 | gi-el | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETQfuzNGT58 |
| 06:57.15 | cjb_ie | ScaredyCat: yes, but what are they feeding you? |
| 06:57.24 | ScaredyCat | nothing :/ |
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| 06:58.45 | CM | ScaredyCat: It's not your fault! ;) |
| 06:59.53 | gi-el | ScaredyCat: you're just obviously not their favourite pet |
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| 07:03.10 | ScaredyCat | anyone spotted the 'note this' on google searches... or have i just missed it all this time? |
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| 07:21.27 | gi-el | ScaredyCat: it's there for some time |
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| 07:39.53 | mbuf | usually in distro we have /etc/release to determine which distro; is there anyway to determine which rootfs has been flashed when the phone is running? |
| 07:40.18 | CM | mbuf: I've been wondering about that too |
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| 07:41.49 | mbuf | CM, if i expect capture logs from end-users, i would like to know which rootfs they are using, it helps; it should be OM related; but does OE have something like that or is it just their release version? |
| 07:43.36 | ScaredyCat | /etc/version will give you the date |
| 07:43.50 | mbuf | /etc/issue has something meaningful |
| 07:43.53 | CM | Ah |
| 07:45.53 | mbuf | so does OE and OM follow Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (FHS) group? or some distro-specific conventions, or their own? |
| 07:47.18 | XorA | mbuf: kinda FHS, but we have no strict policy |
| 07:47.27 | mbuf | XorA, i see |
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| 07:53.01 | ScaredyCat | XorA: so why the name change in the build? |
| 07:53.25 | ScaredyCat | generic neo1973 rather than gta0x |
| 07:53.55 | XorA | because for a lot of stuff gta01==gta02 |
| 07:54.05 | XorA | and both are neo1973 |
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| 07:58.48 | ScaredyCat | k |
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| 08:05.45 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03alphaone * r3182 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 08:05.45 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/moko-sound.{c,h}: Add GSM speaker out sound profile |
| 08:05.45 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_talking_speaker_toggle): |
| 08:05.45 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/moko-talking.c: (on_speaker_toggled): |
| 08:05.45 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Speaker button now toggles the GSM speaker out profile |
| 08:05.46 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (requires recent alsa-state package) |
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| 08:10.10 | ScaredyCat | what's the 'speaker button' ? |
| 08:10.14 | ScaredyCat | headset? |
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| 08:17.08 | alphaone | loudspeaker |
| 08:20.08 | ScaredyCat | it says 'button' ... |
| 08:20.30 | ScaredyCat | is it a soft button? |
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| 08:25.07 | gamin | am building openmoko, 3000 of 4832 done - yay! |
| 08:25.23 | Henryk | ScaredyCat: yes, soft button. when in a call |
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| 08:30.09 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3183 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-gta02.patch: add gta02 charger state reading from u-boot |
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| 08:32.44 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3184 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/neo1973-gsmver.patch: don't try to find double-quotes in GSM version, not all gsm firmware versions have those |
| 08:32.59 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03alphaone * r3185 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-gsm/ (ChangeLog src/openmoko-panel-gsm.c): |
| 08:32.59 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/openmoko-panel-gsm.c: (gsm_applet_network_registration_cb): |
| 08:32.59 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Only show the "Connected to network" notification if the phone was not |
| 08:32.59 | CIA-23 | openmoko: previously connected to the network |
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| 08:35.33 | daMaestro | Package libmokojournal2-0 wants to install file /usr/lib/libmokojournal2.so.0 |
| 08:35.33 | daMaestro | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:35.37 | daMaestro | sooo.. what's the fix? |
| 08:36.06 | daMaestro | -force-reinstall ? |
| 08:36.28 | zash` | remove libmokojournal2 first? |
| 08:37.49 | zash` | shouldnt new versions replace old files? |
| 08:38.14 | daMaestro | http://dpaste.com/22619/ |
| 08:40.53 | daMaestro | http://dpaste.com/22620/ <-- fun |
| 08:41.28 | daMaestro | ah, but it pulled the correct dep |
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| 08:43.08 | gamin | I get plenty of: ERROR: QA issue: libpixbufloader-wbmp.la failed sanity test (reference to workdir or installed) |
| 08:43.20 | gamin | is that anything that I need to worry about? |
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| 08:44.57 | bedboi | hi there |
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| 08:47.32 | ScaredyCat | never worried me gamin :) |
| 08:48.26 | ScaredyCat | i think you need to : ipkg remove libmokojournal2 -force-depends |
| 08:48.31 | ScaredyCat | then reinstall libmokojournal2 |
| 08:54.35 | daMaestro | ScaredyCat, yup |
| 08:55.04 | daMaestro | at least now the dialer bitches when it can't talk to gsmd |
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| 09:04.38 | Ghiottone|work | goodday channel |
| 09:04.53 | Fatal | helomoko |
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| 09:20.12 | vciaglia | hello. Someone could tell me the known good dns server address? |
| 09:20.37 | xyzzy_bill | I tend to use 4.2.2.1 as a backup if all else failes. |
| 09:20.51 | xyzzy_bill | Slow but reliable, and easy to remember. |
| 09:22.55 | bedboi | how many neos have been sold so far? |
| 09:23.02 | xyzzy_bill | So, guys. Should we be designing software for what the GTA-01/GTA-02 are, or what we wish it would be? The limitations in the GTA-01 are so strong, it would kill our software to design for it, IMO. |
| 09:23.38 | xyzzy_bill | Sooner or later the GTA-03 will come out, and OpenMoko is portable in any case to other platforms. |
| 09:23.47 | Ghiottone|work | vciaglia: I use those from http://opendns.com/ |
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| 09:24.41 | vciaglia | Ghiottone|work: 208.67.222.222 and 208.67.220.220? |
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| 09:25.49 | xyzzy_bill | In particular, the screen is really meant for a stylus, yet the neo doesn't have a slot for one. There's not even one convenient button on the thing, and if we touch the screen, it gets yucky, is hard to clean, and has trouble reading my fingers in an case. The keyboard is so tiny, a stylus is required. |
| 09:25.53 | Ghiottone|work | vciaglia: yes |
| 09:26.12 | xyzzy_bill | Should we design software to work with a stylus, or fingers? |
| 09:26.39 | gamin | today for fingers, rest for stylus - imho |
| 09:26.55 | gamin | and dialer for fingers |
| 09:27.56 | gamin | I agree that the screen is mostly for stylus. |
| 09:28.20 | gamin | just my 2c though |
| 09:28.22 | xyzzy_bill | But... multi-touch is coming on strong. If we have to work with the current generation of neo display, I agree with you, but wont the hardware change in 12-18 months? |
| 09:28.34 | SpeedEvil | Possibly. |
| 09:28.39 | SpeedEvil | Who knows. |
| 09:28.57 | SpeedEvil | Multi-touch will not be in the first public revision of GTA02 |
| 09:28.57 | gamin | more than one person told me they barely use multitouch |
| 09:28.59 | xyzzy_bill | I have to say, this is the kind of thing that drives me crazy. |
| 09:29.06 | gamin | on the iphone that is |
| 09:29.18 | SpeedEvil | It depends how much GTA02 sells. |
| 09:29.21 | xyzzy_bill | I barely used it on my iPhone. |
| 09:29.29 | gamin | see :) |
| 09:30.07 | SpeedEvil | If GTA02 sells, GTA03 may come out with multitouch, several models for high speed transfers in different markets, ... |
| 09:30.11 | xyzzy_bill | However, I loved using my fingers, and the 3.5" glass display was awesome. |
| 09:30.49 | gamin | xyzzy_bill: how robust is it when falling on concrete? |
| 09:30.53 | xyzzy_bill | Hmm... the problem here is I don't see GTA-02 selling very well, other than to hackers. |
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| 09:31.22 | CVirus | GTA02 is out yet ? |
| 09:31.23 | gamin | selling the 02 is a marketing and a software question |
| 09:31.35 | xyzzy_bill | gamin: the iPhone? Well, it's tougher than I thought. I had to throw it against the floor in the Apple store with all my strength to smash the display, and it still didn't fall apart. |
| 09:31.35 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 09:31.50 | gamin | xyzzy_bill: :) |
| 09:31.55 | SpeedEvil | xyzzy_bill: I'm assuming of course. |
| 09:31.57 | xyzzy_bill | CVirus: no, it's not out, but the specs don't sound encouraging to me. |
| 09:32.05 | CVirus | xyzzy_bill: why not ? |
| 09:32.16 | SpeedEvil | xyzzy_bill: it's possible even if GTA02 doesn't sell well, FIC will fund the production of later versions. |
| 09:32.24 | SpeedEvil | But of course much less likely. |
| 09:32.39 | xyzzy_bill | First, it's $450, which is $50 > iPhone. However, in every respect, the hardware is inferior. |
| 09:32.42 | gamin | how much do they need to sell to call it a success? |
| 09:32.52 | SpeedEvil | gamin: Well... |
| 09:32.58 | gamin | the price tag is prohibitive... |
| 09:33.05 | CVirus | xyzzy_bill: totally agreed |
| 09:33.08 | SpeedEvil | gamin: ballpark, you'd want to pay back the dev costs. |
| 09:33.19 | SpeedEvil | Let's assume a 150$/unit margin |
| 09:33.35 | SpeedEvil | And 20 people for a year have been paid to develop it. |
| 09:33.40 | xyzzy_bill | SpeedEvil: I think margin will be closer to 3X |
| 09:33.59 | gamin | xyzzy_bill: I think so too |
| 09:34.00 | xyzzy_bill | SpeedEvil: 20 harward guys? |
| 09:34.03 | SpeedEvil | At $70K per |
| 09:34.15 | SpeedEvil | So 2.5M or so. |
| 09:34.24 | SpeedEvil | (counting ancillery costs) |
| 09:34.32 | CVirus | 70K per developer ? |
| 09:34.34 | xyzzy_bill | SpeedEvil: Aren't they all in Taiwan? I though they got paid closer to $20K/yr |
| 09:34.46 | CVirus | LOL @ xyzzy_bill |
| 09:35.05 | SpeedEvil | It's probably got to break 20K units. |
| 09:35.08 | gamin | so ~20k units |
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| 09:35.53 | SpeedEvil | Depending on salary and margin, this might drop to 5K or go up to 40K |
| 09:35.54 | gamin | should not be that difficult - given that they already sold 3000 bricks ;-P |
| 09:36.18 | DukeOfURL | good morning |
| 09:36.23 | xyzzy_bill | I think the math should be: selling 1M units w/ $100 margin = $100M market/yr. Therefore, the company that makes it should be ready to spend ~$100M to enter the market with a new platform. |
| 09:36.36 | SpeedEvil | possibly. |
| 09:36.56 | DukeOfURL | seen this? http://feeds.arstechnica.com/~r/arstechnica/BAaf/~3/170404658/20071015-broadcom-touts-new-3g-phone-on-a-chip-could-show-up-in-3g-iphone.html |
| 09:36.57 | SpeedEvil | Now, convince the execs to do that. |
| 09:37.43 | gamin | why is there so little info from sean about which software they work on and which is community? |
| 09:37.58 | gamin | i.e. email client, webbrowser... |
| 09:38.02 | SpeedEvil | Because they are concentrating on the trees. |
| 09:38.09 | SpeedEvil | And can't see the forest. |
| 09:39.15 | gamin | so you mean fic is not actively working on those? I don't feel starting development on anything, because I always supect some full time paid developer comes suddenly out with a solution... |
| 09:39.25 | CVirus | I just realized that the Neo1973 is expensive |
| 09:39.48 | SpeedEvil | gamin: I mean that there is no good information. |
| 09:39.50 | gamin | CVirus: how comes |
| 09:39.58 | SpeedEvil | gamin: as to what is available. |
| 09:40.09 | CVirus | gamin: well ... the iPhone is cheaper and even with better hardware components |
| 09:40.13 | gamin | SpeedEvil: exactly |
| 09:40.22 | SpeedEvil | GTA01 is broadly comparable with prices - apart from wifi. |
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| 09:40.34 | buz | yeah but GTA02 is not |
| 09:40.39 | xyzzy_bill | gamin: That's exactly how I feel as well. Stronger leadership, showing the sw dev road-map, would be great. |
| 09:40.45 | CVirus | I was talking about the GTA02 |
| 09:41.01 | SpeedEvil | If GTA02 was to go on sale with only wifi added for maybe $350, it'd be on a par, or marginally cheaper. |
| 09:41.23 | SpeedEvil | At $450, it's clearly more expensive. |
| 09:41.50 | SpeedEvil | Especially given that it won't be available in the main channel subsidised. |
| 09:42.15 | buz | imho, without cam, 450 is a tad too much |
| 09:42.24 | CVirus | I agree |
| 09:42.31 | ewon | argh, who the hell wants a cam on their phone |
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| 09:42.37 | CVirus | ewon: not me |
| 09:42.45 | CVirus | ewon: I want a cheaper phone |
| 09:42.49 | xyzzy_bill | Besides the price of GTA02, there's still big limitations. Using a stylus, but having no holder. A cell phone with a bigger lanyard than I've ever seen on any device. |
| 09:42.57 | ewon | half the ppl who will buy this have NDAs the size of australia, and can't bring cameras into work |
| 09:43.01 | SpeedEvil | $450 really would need a decent cam or other feature to justify the price from the purchase. |
| 09:43.05 | Esben | ewon: most people, even those who never use it :-( |
| 09:43.07 | gamin | 380,-EUR customer price in europe is maximum... |
| 09:43.20 | buz | i would have said 300EUR in your hand is maximum |
| 09:43.21 | madwoota | phone cams are an abysmmal toy |
| 09:43.21 | xyzzy_bill | At $450, we're still talking no big flash, right? The iPhone at $400 has 8 gig. |
| 09:43.26 | CVirus | SpeedEvil: exactly |
| 09:43.27 | ewon | every place I've worked since college had camera-bans |
| 09:43.35 | gamin | and no edge... not to speak of umts |
| 09:43.41 | ewon | I use a 6310i for day-to-dayusage |
| 09:43.45 | buz | and buggy software |
| 09:43.50 | ewon | 10 days between charges, no camera |
| 09:44.03 | xyzzy_bill | buz; yes, buggy sw :-) |
| 09:44.04 | SpeedEvil | The ideal way to do a cam would be with a pull-out module. |
| 09:44.13 | SpeedEvil | But that adds cost and volume |
| 09:44.23 | CVirus | cams suck |
| 09:44.24 | madwoota | use a usb webcam :P |
| 09:44.26 | gamin | buz yeah 299,- is a good price.. |
| 09:44.34 | buz | incl shipping and vat that is |
| 09:44.46 | mjr | good software can justify the cost even to some non-nerds with spesific needs, but that'll be a while of course |
| 09:45.04 | CVirus | mjr: that's what I've been holding to :-) |
| 09:45.11 | buz | right now, if you want to use it as phone, its somewhat hard to justify it even for nerds |
| 09:45.23 | SpeedEvil | CVirus: ewo: i don't want a camera for taking pictures to frame and stick on my wall. I want a cam for reading 2D barcodes. For taking pictures of streets aligned with the GPS to do openstreeetmap, |
| 09:45.27 | madwoota | volume will drive prices down which will drive volume which will drive prices down which will ... |
| 09:45.27 | xyzzy_bill | I never wanted a cam, till I got the iPhone. The photo-album on iphone is one of it's strongest apps, and people love to play with it. I stopped carrying pics of my kids in my wallet, and instead showed off the album. |
| 09:45.53 | gamin | jipee, got my first build done and flashed and booted! |
| 09:45.54 | SpeedEvil | For taking pictures of price labels in shops along with the goods so I can easily comparison shop. |
| 09:45.57 | xyzzy_bill | With a strong built-in photo-album, the cam seems more useful. |
| 09:46.00 | mjr | xyzzy_bill, you can do that with neo :] |
| 09:46.05 | CVirus | SpeedEvil: more flash space has a higher priority I guess |
| 09:46.07 | SpeedEvil | For this 640*480 is fine even. |
| 09:46.23 | buz | flash would be comparably simple to fix |
| 09:46.29 | xyzzy_bill | mjr: It needs to be done for neo. Who's writing it, NIC, or us? |
| 09:46.39 | mjr | *shrug* |
| 09:46.45 | SpeedEvil | That's a problem. |
| 09:46.50 | mjr | it is |
| 09:46.55 | SpeedEvil | We need a huge page with a list of tasks. |
| 09:46.57 | CVirus | what problem ? |
| 09:47.00 | SpeedEvil | Who is doing it. |
| 09:47.01 | gamin | SpeedEvil: I use a Navman for that - logs NMEA, has cam and navigates and costs 170,-EUR |
| 09:47.07 | SpeedEvil | When they plan to finish it. |
| 09:47.52 | SpeedEvil | And where the source repositry is (if any) |
| 09:48.02 | xyzzy_bill | Also, the Today app is nice, but I prefer "SummerBoard" - the hacker replacement for the iPhone "SpringBoard" |
| 09:48.50 | ScaredyCat | http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/16/asus-eee-pc-models-announced/ |
| 09:48.51 | zash` | an option for the launch-app-tap to have icons instead of a list? |
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| 09:48.56 | xyzzy_bill | I have few items on my calender. I want my phone to boot with a scrollable list of icons I can touch, with some (being configurable) configurable to be stick, always at the top/bottom |
| 09:49.16 | xyzzy_bill | Booting into my cal doesn't work well for me. |
| 09:49.46 | buz | ScaredyCat: still no price |
| 09:49.51 | xyzzy_bill | Also, having to switch to a task list and hitting "kill all" button seems goofy. |
| 09:49.59 | CVirus | Wasn't FIC supposed to announce other OpenMoko devices this month ? |
| 09:50.14 | xyzzy_bill | CVirus: in theory, yes. |
| 09:50.29 | CVirus | that was even in september if I recall correctly |
| 09:51.12 | ScaredyCat | buz: yeah, shme |
| 09:51.13 | gamin | well, in nov 06 they announced the first 5000 devices for dec 06..... |
| 09:51.16 | ScaredyCat | shame even |
| 09:51.55 | xyzzy_bill | And again... do our apps need big buttons for fingers, or little ones for stylus? Whatever the answer, it's important that we're all on the same page. |
| 09:52.18 | gamin | xyzzy_bill: I still think it depends on the app |
| 09:52.51 | gamin | actually an app may even have both - finger based parts and stylus based ones, i.e. |
| 09:53.01 | gamin | the task list or dates... |
| 09:53.03 | xyzzy_bill | gamin: and also depends on the phone. Do we optimize for the display we have, or the next gen we may get in 08-09? |
| 09:53.27 | gamin | putting in a new task is a stylus thing, but scrolling through the list is a finger thing |
| 09:53.44 | xyzzy_bill | The task list can be viewed with fingers, but to create a task requires a stylus, as the keyboard is stylus-only. |
| 09:53.53 | gamin | yep |
| 09:54.09 | mjr | if you get a new display sometime, adapt to it then |
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| 09:54.35 | xyzzy_bill | But the neo doesn't have a stylus holder... surely it either needs one, or it needs a bigger, better touch-display. |
| 09:54.54 | CVirus | it needs a bigger screen |
| 09:55.01 | gamin | I start to like this laserpointer pen |
| 09:55.13 | gamin | I anyway always have a pen with me |
| 09:55.22 | xyzzy_bill | Also, the driver and/or screen doesn't seem to recognize my fingers very well. Is it a driver problem? I find that I can't easily scroll through the app list by hand. |
| 09:55.34 | gamin | so I don't care there is no space wasted for a holder :) |
| 09:56.22 | gamin | xyzzy_bill: using you nail it will be better and you must always have sufficent pressure while scrolling, otherwise it gets recognized as click |
| 09:56.24 | xyzzy_bill | So, some aspects of neo/open-moko are visionary and revolutionary, like making it an open linux based system. |
| 09:56.40 | gamin | and using oe as build system |
| 09:57.03 | xyzzy_bill | gamin: is that something we can hack to fix in the driver, or is it a function of the actual display? |
| 09:57.09 | gamin | if you have ever developed for maemo or other embedded devices you will appreciate that |
| 09:57.58 | gamin | xyzzy_bill: dunno, haven't yet looked into the code behind the scrolling |
| 09:58.05 | xyzzy_bill | other aspects, like requiring a stylus and having no holder, and having the largest lanyard on the planet, were simple marketing gafs. |
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| 09:58.32 | gamin | what's a gaf? |
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| 09:58.52 | xyzzy_bill | gaf = mistake (I think) |
| 09:59.32 | gamin | the lanyard is cheapo as is the earplugs, but that can be easily corrected |
| 09:59.39 | xyzzy_bill | And, the hacker community needs that visionary leadership to help focus development. Who's writing the photo app? |
| 09:59.51 | buz | point is you dont need a friggin lanyard on a touchscreen phone that big |
| 10:00.09 | gamin | don't use it :) |
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| 10:00.39 | gamin | but people i.e. in event management will love it |
| 10:01.15 | buz | people in event managemtn dont use linux phones |
| 10:01.24 | xyzzy_bill | With the built-in GPS, and terrific high-res display, there's so much we could do with this platform. |
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| 10:01.42 | gamin | the display is fabulous |
| 10:02.45 | gamin | buz - they don't care about the os, but about the functions. and a linux phone offers a gazillion of opportunities |
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| 10:06.11 | StealthCP | buz: Linux or not, the OpenMoko platform represents excellent value for money - compare price with the iPhone, and thatPhone is only with a hefty contract |
| 10:06.30 | buz | for a regular user, the value is only there if the software's there |
| 10:06.33 | gamin | you always need a contract |
| 10:06.55 | StealthCP | yes, but you are not paying for part of the phone, with a contract. |
| 10:07.03 | gamin | I'd be happy if I could get such a contract in france |
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| 10:07.35 | gamin | StealthCP: how do the 1$ / 1EUR phone work then? |
| 10:07.45 | gamin | you pay always for the phone |
| 10:08.33 | SpeedEvil | gamin: you don't always need a contract. For some users Pay as you go works fine. |
| 10:08.51 | gamin | depends on your country.. |
| 10:09.17 | gamin | in france you don't even get a combined data / voice sim card |
| 10:09.28 | SpeedEvil | (For me, I make very few calls, and use GPRS several days a month.) |
| 10:09.36 | gamin | the voice sim cards have astronomical data prices |
| 10:10.03 | SpeedEvil | With pay as you go, I pay around 10 pounds/month if I use data for 9 days and make some calls. |
| 10:10.23 | SpeedEvil | (up to 40M/day) |
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| 10:11.07 | StealthCP | with the iPhone, you are forced into a contract, regardless wether you want one, or already have one. |
| 10:11.16 | gamin | SpeedEvil: 100M/month (!) are 35EUR here |
| 10:11.27 | StealthCP | Whereas you can choose here, with the OpenMoko |
| 10:11.37 | xyzzy_bill | So, as an unlocked phone, the GTA-01 is priced nicely at $350. |
| 10:11.45 | cjb_ie | 10G/month for 20eur in ireland |
| 10:11.49 | cjb_ie | data-only sim thugh |
| 10:11.51 | xyzzy_bill | Bundled with a 2-yr contract, it could be more like $200. |
| 10:12.07 | StealthCP | I'm happy to keep my current contract with Orange - my ADSL and phone contract combined into a single sum. |
| 10:12.47 | nepumuck | hi there. I did not found any information in the wiki about the releasedate of openmoko. What is the current Projectstatus in Procent? Ive read something on the website about october. But this was the dev version i think. sry for bad englisch ;-) |
| 10:12.48 | xyzzy_bill | Where are the paid open-moko devs? Taiwan, or Silicon Valley? |
| 10:13.05 | cjb_ie | nepumuck: see topic :) |
| 10:13.06 | gamin | StealthCP: a pitty free didn't get permission for another 3G+ network |
| 10:13.07 | StealthCP | I'm a bit downhearted that GTA02 has been delayed to December |
| 10:13.26 | StealthCP | However, that will turn out to be a nice Christmas present :P |
| 10:13.56 | gamin | Unless they have somewhere some secret coding effort going on, it wont be mass-marketable until june 08 |
| 10:13.57 | StealthCP | nepumuck: Neo1973 is the phone, OpenMoko the software platform |
| 10:14.27 | StealthCP | there are two versions of the phone, the developers version (GTA01 - out now), and the consumer version (GTA02 - out Dec) |
| 10:14.28 | xyzzy_bill | And is that software platform built in Taiwan, or in the US? |
| 10:14.42 | gamin | in germany :) |
| 10:14.49 | xyzzy_bill | gamin: Really? |
| 10:15.01 | gamin | harald and mickey are both germans |
| 10:15.04 | nepumuck | okay ;-). am i right then, that the releasedate is scheduled december? oh, then im very happy^^ |
| 10:15.18 | xyzzy_bill | Are harald and mickey part of the paid team? |
| 10:15.20 | gamin | however it is more a worldwide effort |
| 10:15.21 | SpeedEvil | nepumuck: supposed to be. If it will be user-ready is questionable. |
| 10:15.30 | gamin | Thomas is in the UK |
| 10:15.31 | SpeedEvil | xyzzy_bill: yes. |
| 10:15.39 | xyzzy_bill | Cool. |
| 10:16.07 | xyzzy_bill | I can't recall much good FOSS from Taiwan, but Germany produces ton :-) |
| 10:16.29 | nepumuck | speedevil: what is the current status in procent of the GTA02? i would love to have a enduser ready phone in my hands this year |
| 10:16.49 | gamin | harald is Mr gplviolations.org and Mr iptables |
| 10:17.02 | zash` | Mr iptables? |
| 10:17.09 | zash` | omfg |
| 10:17.15 | gamin | Mickey is openembedded.org |
| 10:17.17 | StealthCP | I'm wondering, would it not be better to produce the GTA02 now, a small batch for developers or testers? |
| 10:17.39 | StealthCP | I mean, developing without the hardware is possible, but what if the hardware needs changed, or there is a problem? |
| 10:17.52 | StealthCP | Wouldn't be good if they were mass produced in December with problems :) |
| 10:18.00 | xyzzy_bill | The software isn't anywhere close to ready for prime-time... I'd keep building them for developers, and I'd try to offer some leadership, if I were producing neos. |
| 10:18.03 | mjr | StealthCP, like they are doing internally? |
| 10:18.04 | stefan_schmidt | xyzzy_bill: But producing code depends on the person, not on the country. Bringing FOSS code quality to .tw is one of the goals |
| 10:18.07 | gamin | StealthCP: I'm wondering if it would not be helpful to reliably make phone calls from 01 and using it on a daily basis... |
| 10:18.26 | stefan_schmidt | StealthCP: They will not |
| 10:18.41 | stefan_schmidt | StealthCP: Already early developer previews in some hands |
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| 10:19.18 | xyzzy_bill | stefan_schmidt: I agree. Mostly I was wondering if our paid devs are not providing leadership because they don't speak English. I think that's one reason Taiwan isn't very active in FOSS. |
| 10:20.05 | nepumuck | sry for the question, but what/who is FOSS? |
| 10:20.21 | xyzzy_bill | FOSS = Free and/or Open-Source Software |
| 10:20.29 | stefan_schmidt | xyzzy_bill: Communication is one barrier, indeed. But looking around here in the office I think we have english skilled people too. |
| 10:20.30 | nepumuck | ah okay. thx |
| 10:20.36 | StealthCP | I know what you mean, gamin. However the WiFi capability is something that prevents me from geting an 01 right now. |
| 10:21.17 | xyzzy_bill | stefan_schmidt: Is your office in Germany? I find Germans speak better English than most Americans. |
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| 10:21.23 | masterbrian | Greetings |
| 10:21.38 | xyzzy_bill | Hi, masterbrian. |
| 10:21.56 | masterbrian | I'm trying to compile moko from mokomakefile but I've got error building uicmoc4-native-4.3.1 |
| 10:21.58 | gamin | stefan_schmidt: is anybody working on an email client and on a browser? |
| 10:22.03 | masterbrian | so here I'm to report :D |
| 10:22.16 | stefan_schmidt | xyzzy_bill: Normally I work from germany, right. ATM I'm at the OpenMoko Inc. office at Taipei |
| 10:22.35 | masterbrian | it is a know bug? |
| 10:22.36 | stefan_schmidt | gamin: Browser is already in svn. Webkit based. |
| 10:22.57 | stefan_schmidt | gamin: email client is planned but not done yet. |
| 10:23.23 | gamin | stefan_schmidt: midori you mean? |
| 10:24.25 | masterbrian | anyone else is having problem compiling openmoko? |
| 10:24.31 | gamin | stefan_schmidt: email client: is that done by openedhand? and with tnymail? |
| 10:24.54 | gamin | masterbrian: mine went through, started yesterday evening from scratch |
| 10:25.33 | stefan_schmidt | gamin: No, not midori. Webkit as engine and the moko GUI put together. openmoko-browser Look at the svn |
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| 10:26.41 | xyzzy_bill | stefan_schmidt: A good published plan for openmoko dev would be great. I think a few of us are confused as to what apps to work on, and how we should design them to work (stylus vs fingers). |
| 10:26.45 | stefan_schmidt | gamin: (email client) It's not fixed yet who will do it. tinymail could be the base. I'm not the chief guy to decide this. ;) |
| 10:27.28 | gamin | stefan_schmidt: is mickey the chief ui man? |
| 10:27.44 | stefan_schmidt | xyzzy_bill: There is ongoing work on docs atm, stay tuned. I think roh or MichaelShiloh will keep you updated. |
| 10:27.46 | nepumuck | i think a good published plan would be also good for the endusers and the community that is interested in the phone |
| 10:27.57 | stefan_schmidt | xyzzy_bill: We see the need for more dev doc. |
| 10:28.30 | stefan_schmidt | gamin: Mom, let me search his title. :) |
| 10:28.57 | stefan_schmidt | gamin: Lead Software Architect - Application Framework |
| 10:29.42 | gamin | chief ui man sounds a lot nicer ;) - CUIM |
| 10:29.57 | gamin | against LSAAF |
| 10:30.02 | stefan_schmidt | gamin: Mostly the decision is based on a discussion in the core team. Of course the leader in the area mostly have the biggest impact. |
| 10:31.10 | xyzzy_bill | Does the core team all have iPhones? |
| 10:31.27 | stefan_schmidt | xyzzy_bill: No iphone here |
| 10:31.30 | xyzzy_bill | Seriously, you want the guys making decisions to understand the state-of-the-arge. |
| 10:31.36 | xyzzy_bill | s/arge/art/ |
| 10:31.37 | gamin | and Microsoft Windows for Mobile ;-P |
| 10:32.30 | xyzzy_bill | gamin: right. |
| 10:32.33 | nepumuck | Windows Mobile Sucks seriously ;-). The performance is totaly unusable |
| 10:32.51 | nepumuck | Maybe windows mobile 6 is better |
| 10:32.58 | zash` | Windows sucks everywhere |
| 10:33.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 934 has been created by mstevens(AT)etla.org |
| 10:33.02 | cdbot2 | * * incorrect html escaping in bug processed screen |
| 10:33.02 | xyzzy_bill | I've never been impressed with Windows Mobile, but I hear good things about mobile 6. |
| 10:33.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=934 |
| 10:33.17 | XorA | nepumuck: comments not based on figures dont help anyone, its not that unusable as I use it everyday |
| 10:33.37 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: That means nothing. ;) |
| 10:34.02 | nbd | windows users typically have higher levels of pain tolerance ;) |
| 10:34.06 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: I mean you are from this Island. *hide* |
| 10:34.13 | nepumuck | Yes your right. Ive forgot to mention that i mean the compact framework part of windows mobile |
| 10:34.28 | XorA | nepumuck: now that is slow as hell :-) |
| 10:34.34 | nepumuck | yes it is ;-) |
| 10:35.05 | XorA | stefan_schmidt: its useful to keep the Mate junkies out |
| 10:35.15 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: heh |
| 10:35.34 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: We thought about getting Mate to Taiwan. All ways seems expensive |
| 10:35.42 | nepumuck | lol ;-) |
| 10:35.43 | XorA | heh heh |
| 10:36.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 935 has been created by mstevens(AT)etla.org |
| 10:36.01 | cdbot2 | * * spelling mistake in site infrastructure product |
| 10:36.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=935 |
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| 10:40.32 | vciaglia | hi. Someone using qtopia-image on openmoko? |
| 10:42.13 | vciaglia | i have some problems with networking there, but with Openmoko works fine. |
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| 10:44.38 | Shoragan | stefan_schmidt, why don't we have openmoko-browser on the image? |
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| 10:47.35 | stefan_schmidt | Shoragan: hmm, we don't have? |
| 10:47.41 | stefan_schmidt | Shoragan: If you say it. |
| 10:47.49 | Shoragan | it doesn't get installed by default |
| 10:48.00 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: Any reason why we don't have the browser in the default image? |
| 10:48.13 | XorA | stefan_schmidt: no-one asked for it, building/adding now |
| 10:48.21 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: cool |
| 10:48.52 | XorA | stefan_schmidt: app-manager as well? |
| 10:49.03 | Shoragan | we should have all apps which work in svn in the image |
| 10:49.14 | Shoragan | they need to be visible to get tested |
| 10:49.32 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: Not sure if this one is working at all. o-hand copied it over and adjusted some stuff. No idea if it is useful already |
| 10:49.57 | Shoragan | it'll try it |
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| 10:50.03 | stefan_schmidt | Shoragan: k |
| 10:50.04 | ghost | http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?refid=7963124 |
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| 10:52.42 | alphaone | Shoragan: How much does you miniplanet application compress the xml? |
| 10:52.53 | Shoragan | it's not done |
| 10:53.11 | alphaone | So it's still missing parts? |
| 10:53.13 | Shoragan | yes |
| 10:53.19 | alphaone | okay. |
| 10:53.29 | Shoragan | i didn't have time :/ |
| 10:53.35 | alphaone | :-/ |
| 10:53.59 | alphaone | Missing what? Can you estimate the size it is going to take? |
| 10:54.09 | Shoragan | no |
| 10:54.12 | alphaone | okay |
| 10:54.20 | Shoragan | it needs tag filtering |
| 10:54.33 | Shoragan | and block based compression |
| 10:54.59 | Shoragan | but it should be similar in size to commercial stuff |
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| 10:55.07 | alphaone | So it will be smaller that your current results? |
| 10:55.11 | Shoragan | yes |
| 10:55.12 | alphaone | than |
| 10:55.27 | alphaone | okay, and what's the size you currently have? |
| 10:55.41 | Shoragan | a very rouch guess would be 200-500 MB for the current planet file |
| 10:55.42 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: Seems sitting next to me gives you my spelling skills. ;) |
| 10:55.52 | alphaone | s/have/get/ |
| 10:56.12 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: heh |
| 10:56.26 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: And you know, it sucks to e me. |
| 10:56.35 | alphaone | Shoragan: Okay, that's quite promising. |
| 10:56.39 | alphaone | Thanks. |
| 10:57.41 | alphaone | So from 15Gigs to 500 Megs :-) |
| 10:58.40 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: That's because XML does 500 Megs to 15 Gigs ;) |
| 10:59.18 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: :-) |
| 10:59.24 | XorA | s|<.*>||g :-D |
| 10:59.55 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: Ah, you are also and optimization expert. :) |
| 11:00.26 | XorA | stefan_schmidt: its a pity that regexp actually removes everything from an xml file, but I cant remeber the non greedy version |
| 11:00.45 | stefan_schmidt | hmm, if you guys like to have qvga support soon, I really should switch to another workspace again. |
| 11:00.47 | Shoragan | XorA, appmanager crashes |
| 11:00.53 | Shoragan | but browser is ok |
| 11:01.00 | gi-el | XorA: .*? |
| 11:01.04 | gi-el | that's non-greedy |
| 11:01.30 | stefan_schmidt | work, later |
| 11:01.32 | gi-el | (at least in perlre, iirc) |
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| 11:02.19 | XorA | gi-el: cheers |
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| 11:37.13 | gamin | a webserver on my phone - finally got the thttpd onto it. package compiles but there is some bug in the do_package. nevertheless, just copying the binary over makes it work |
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| 11:40.55 | CM | :) |
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| 11:51.01 | ScaredyCat | gamin: now interface that with the gsm modem and build a http<->sms gateway |
| 11:52.52 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r3186 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.23.x/patches/ (gta02-core.patch pcf50633.patch): |
| 11:52.52 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Follow change in 2.6.22: |
| 11:52.52 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (orig r3133): laforge | 2007-10-09 17:57:30 +0200 |
| 11:52.52 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * export all pcf50633 symbols as _GPL symbols. |
| 11:52.52 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * replace pcf50633_gpo0_{get,set} with generic pcf50633_gpio_{get,set} |
| 11:52.54 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * complete GTA02 >= v2 GSM power switching support (based on patch by jserv) |
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| 11:56.12 | gamin | ScaredyCat: already started :-) |
| 11:56.31 | gamin | long time ago I last wrote cgi in sh |
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| 11:57.35 | ScaredyCat | well, there you go then :) |
| 11:57.43 | gamin | ScaredyCat: actually that is a five minute thing, once libgsm-tool starts working |
| 11:58.01 | ScaredyCat | you have 5 minutes then ;) |
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| 12:02.33 | gamin | #!/bin/sh |
| 12:02.33 | gamin | echo "Content-type: text/plain" |
| 12:02.33 | gamin | echo |
| 12:02.33 | gamin | env| sort |
| 12:02.33 | gamin | echo |
| 12:02.33 | gamin | echo $QUERY_STRING |
| 12:02.35 | gamin | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.37 | gamin | libgsmd-tool -sendsms -somethingorother |
| 12:03.34 | gamin | ScaredyCat: that's kind of it |
| 12:04.11 | gamin | a bit of awk to split the query_string |
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| 12:05.03 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 12:05.12 | gamin | should I get my gsmd up and running I'll let you send sms around france |
| 12:05.32 | gamin | and connect the phone to the net beforehand.. |
| 12:06.12 | ScaredyCat | mm.. |
| 12:06.48 | gamin | now someone show me to do that with MS or symbian in two minutes :) |
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| 12:07.57 | ScaredyCat | hehe |
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| 12:12.26 | gamin | more seriously: I think having a web-interface to the phone (mostly pim apps) would be nice. Instead of fiddeling with the stylus I could use a real keyboard everywhere |
| 12:12.42 | gamin | cpu power is plenty |
| 12:12.45 | SpeedEvil | You can use real BT keyvoards |
| 12:13.12 | gamin | you don't always have one, but you have brwosers everywhere |
| 12:13.38 | gamin | btw: does BT and BT keyboards work already? |
| 12:14.00 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 12:14.08 | gamin | nice |
| 12:14.11 | SpeedEvil | Well - it's not properly setup automagically. |
| 12:14.22 | SpeedEvil | But BT stuff works as it does on any other linux box. |
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| 12:43.34 | kristian-m | hi |
| 12:43.58 | kristian-m | SpeedEvil right, we'd need a settings tool for bt then ;-) |
| 12:44.24 | woglinde | hciconfig? |
| 12:45.23 | kristian-m | woglinde yea, with the on screen keyboard |
| 12:45.50 | woglinde | kristian just a joke, a simple ui is needed I agree |
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| 12:51.13 | fgau | like this: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/47c43153697fd00525df18c8dfca5729.png |
| 12:51.30 | fgau | was my first try in python |
| 12:51.42 | kristian-m | fgau :-) |
| 12:51.50 | woglinde | fgau not bad |
| 12:51.53 | kristian-m | fgau how usable is it now? |
| 12:52.18 | Ghiottone|work | hey kristian-m |
| 12:52.18 | kristian-m | fgau there is a places reserved in the settingsgui bz2 file for it ;-) |
| 12:52.26 | kristian-m | hi Ghiottone|work |
| 12:52.44 | kristian-m | Ghiottone|work i mentioned you at http://www.mput.de/blog/ |
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| 12:53.22 | fgau | kristian-m: version 0.0.0.1 alpha :) |
| 12:53.56 | woglinde | kristian so what will your master thesis be? |
| 12:54.01 | kristian-m | fgau i see, keep going it looks promising |
| 12:54.46 | kristian-m | woglinde it's not that clear yet. - some location based peer to peer stuff, like everyone seems to plan doing now |
| 12:55.05 | woglinde | kristian *g* |
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| 12:56.19 | Ghiottone|work | kristian-m: great! thanks! :) |
| 12:56.52 | woglinde | oh krstian your are from berlin |
| 12:56.59 | woglinde | pitty you missed the oedem |
| 12:57.26 | kristian-m | woglinde i think i had a test that friday |
| 12:57.44 | woglinde | kristian oedem last a little bit longer |
| 12:58.08 | kristian-m | woglinde i see, well next time i'd like to be there |
| 12:58.57 | woglinde | kristian http://www.openembedded.org/oedem2007 |
| 12:59.28 | woglinde | next year will be poland or freece |
| 13:00.50 | kristian-m | oh, well we'll see |
| 13:01.03 | woglinde | ups greece |
| 13:01.05 | gamin | is it possible to use the angstrom feeds? |
| 13:01.05 | woglinde | lol |
| 13:01.17 | woglinde | gamin should |
| 13:02.04 | gamin | woglinde: I'll give it a try then |
| 13:03.38 | woglinde | gamin probelms could be eabi vs oabi |
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| 13:07.26 | Ghiottone|work | I have read that problems with the gllin chroot have been worked around. any adds to this? |
| 13:07.46 | woglinde | dont know |
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| 13:09.49 | soeme_ | openmoko --> mio a701 ?? |
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| 13:20.46 | hrw | soeme_: if mio a701 will run linux... |
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| 13:24.34 | XorA | browser and appmanager added to images |
| 13:26.04 | hrw | XorA: which browser? |
| 13:26.07 | mickeyl | cool |
| 13:26.15 | mickeyl | openmoko-browser, what else |
| 13:26.20 | hrw | ;D |
| 13:26.24 | XorA | hrw: openmoko-uber-browser7000 |
| 13:26.26 | hrw | webkit? |
| 13:26.37 | mickeyl | ya. |
| 13:26.49 | mickeyl | zecke-browser |
| 13:26.52 | roh | 2602 of 4829 *wait* |
| 13:26.58 | mickeyl | roh: :) |
| 13:27.02 | mickeyl | start cranking... |
| 13:28.25 | woglinde | roh smoke some cigaretts for the next 2 hours |
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| 13:29.43 | roh | woglinde ive reniced the toplevel python process to +5 to get my shells spawning faster again.. so probabyly some minutes more.. ~290minutes per complete built |
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| 13:32.33 | XorA | Henryk_afc: I dont see your terminal slowness with full termcap file |
| 13:32.45 | XorA | Henryk_afc: pops up pretty much immediate here |
| 13:32.51 | kristian-m | ScaredyCat ouch! |
| 13:33.06 | Henryk | XorA: its not the terminal, it's screen |
| 13:33.16 | ScaredyCat | you deserved it kristian-m. |
| 13:33.27 | kristian-m | ScaredyCat why? |
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| 13:34.35 | kristian-m | ScaredyCat sry ;-) - ask Ghiottone|work - 0.8 will change again |
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| 13:34.44 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 13:35.38 | woglinde | hehe |
| 13:36.37 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r3187 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.23.x/patches/ (gta02-core.patch pcf50633.patch): |
| 13:36.37 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Follow change in 2.6.22: |
| 13:36.37 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Fix function rename in pcf50633.h because .23 is compiled with |
| 13:36.37 | CIA-23 | openmoko: -Werror-implicit-function-declaration. |
| 13:36.37 | CIA-23 | openmoko: see: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=94bed2a9c4ae980838003f5d32681eef794ecc28 |
| 13:36.40 | soeme_ | hrw: yes with haret :) |
| 13:36.42 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (orig r3136): laforge | 2007-10-09 19:26:37 +0200 |
| 13:36.44 | CIA-23 | openmoko: GTA02: implement USB battery charging control using pcf50633 |
| 13:38.13 | kristian-m | ScaredyCat well i thought i've managed everything with the setup.py |
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| 13:38.39 | hrw | soeme_: handhelds.org kernel? |
| 13:39.09 | kristian-m | ScaredyCat to jump th bz2 was bad? |
| 13:39.11 | ScaredyCat | if Ghiottone|work is building the .bb then I'll just wait and add it to my builds |
| 13:39.24 | ScaredyCat | wasn't bad, was just annoying... |
| 13:39.33 | kristian-m | ScaredyCat i see sry |
| 13:39.33 | soeme_ | i think so, but my zimage is from htcuniversal |
| 13:39.37 | ScaredyCat | plus the filenames actually changed too |
| 13:40.27 | soeme_ | i cant boot my mio with this kernel image |
| 13:41.00 | ScaredyCat | kristian-m: it doesn't matter really, now that I know Ghiottone|work is working on it I can wait for his/her .bb :) |
| 13:41.03 | kristian-m | ScaredyCat oh, right - well from 0.7 setup.py managed the dist-building process using lower() i suspect |
| 13:41.26 | kristian-m | ScaredyCat okay, i bet he'll send you his .bb file |
| 13:41.46 | J-23 | it works! |
| 13:41.50 | ScaredyCat | I'm happy to build it and add to my repo.. |
| 13:42.05 | kristian-m | great :-) |
| 13:42.23 | CM | ScaredyCat: What's added to your rootfs that's not standard? |
| 13:42.38 | ScaredyCat | gerbil droppings |
| 13:43.55 | ScaredyCat | CM: pm list -> |
| 13:45.12 | J-23 | Is some network manager for OpenMoko? |
| 13:45.22 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 13:46.33 | ScaredyCat | that plus an /etc/release, my repo conf and removing the startup and click sounds |
| 13:46.33 | ScaredyCat | oops wrong window.. |
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| 13:49.36 | Ghiottone|work | back |
| 13:49.55 | Ghiottone|work | scaredyCat settingsGui's bb is in production state already :P |
| 13:50.37 | Ghiottone|work | and SettingsGUI packages are already in my repo |
| 13:50.49 | Ghiottone|work | the bb files needs some patches, however |
| 13:51.06 | ScaredyCat | yes, I'm wanting to build them with the other stuff |
| 13:52.00 | ScaredyCat | s/stuff/stuff i build/ |
| 13:52.05 | Ghiottone|work | ok I can send a tarball for it if you want |
| 13:52.34 | ScaredyCat | please |
| 13:52.37 | Ghiottone|work | s/for/of/ |
| 13:52.55 | ScaredyCat | I assume it's just the .bb and it'll grab the sources from kristian-m's site ? |
| 13:53.13 | Ghiottone|work | no |
| 13:53.19 | Ghiottone|work | there are additional files |
| 13:53.28 | roh | well.. if it would just not depend on that fat python interpreter ;) |
| 13:53.29 | Ghiottone|work | patches to his files |
| 13:53.46 | J-23 | How I can emulate or keyboard on OpenMoko? |
| 13:53.55 | Ghiottone|work | and .desktop and icon files |
| 13:54.09 | woglinde | j-23 call the keyboard? |
| 13:54.13 | ScaredyCat | aren't those in the source tarball ? |
| 13:54.20 | Ghiottone|work | no |
| 13:55.36 | ScaredyCat | hurrumph.. |
| 13:55.46 | Ghiottone|work | ? |
| 13:55.46 | ScaredyCat | ok, send me tarball then :) |
| 13:56.01 | Ghiottone|work | e-mail? |
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| 13:56.44 | Sup3rkiddo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.56 | woglinde | kiddo socket? |
| 13:57.19 | Sup3rkiddo | bah, |
| 13:57.33 | J-23 | How I can start openmoko-keyboard? |
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| 13:57.47 | woglinde | j-23 tap on the keyboard symbol? |
| 13:57.49 | Sup3rkiddo | i ma trying to run this on the host, need to debug an error |
| 13:58.10 | J-23 | Thanks. |
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| 13:59.53 | kristian-m | roh well, it a pity we can't do anything about that ;-/ - but python is just too comfortable |
| 14:00.31 | kristian-m | Ghiottone|work ScaredyCat if i can do anything to make live easier for you... - setup.py just needed some changes though |
| 14:00.36 | Ghiottone|work | roh that fat interpreter also fits pretty confortably on the sd card... |
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| 14:02.04 | Ghiottone|work | kristian-m: I have no problem with your changes. Since you switched to setup.py the bb recipe is much simpler and adjusting the new version is a ten minutes work (not counting testing;) |
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| 14:02.48 | Ghiottone|work | kristian-m: you planning to release a 0.8 soon? |
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| 14:03.54 | kristian-m | Ghiottone|work okay, well there are not enough changes for a new release yet - i plan to increase startup time firt and use threads for gui updates first - maybe next week or so |
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| 14:04.56 | kristian-m | s/increase/reduce |
| 14:05.03 | Ghiottone|work | ehehe |
| 14:07.36 | ww | anyone here with administrative privs on the wiki? |
| 14:07.46 | ww | (sysadmin-like) |
| 14:07.51 | SpeedEvil | ww: yes - why? |
| 14:07.53 | Ghiottone|work | ScaredyCat I had to create tarball and jump it on a few machines... now I've sent it |
| 14:07.55 | SpeedEvil | (not me) |
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| 14:08.43 | ww | might it be possible to change my username from Ww to ww? |
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| 14:08.56 | ScaredyCat | k, ta Ghiottone|work |
| 14:09.05 | Ghiottone|work | kristian-m: only a couple of things. I had to remove install-scripts from setup.cfg |
| 14:09.09 | SpeedEvil | ww: I'm pretty sure that that's a bug - all pages have to have an initial cap. |
| 14:09.23 | white_gecko | hello |
| 14:09.26 | Ghiottone|work | kristian-m: do you need it? |
| 14:09.44 | Ghiottone|work | ScaredyCat: no probs. let me know if you have problems |
| 14:09.48 | ww | my username doesn't work well with some wiki assumptions... i've had to patch moinmoin in the past ;) |
| 14:10.11 | ScaredyCat | if I have problems I'll visit you while you sleep ;) |
| 14:11.04 | ww | SpeedEvil: i'm not so interested in pages as how i might appear in log messages, etc... |
| 14:12.09 | Ghiottone|work | :) |
| 14:13.12 | SpeedEvil | ww: I don't think it can be fixed without patches to the running wiki. |
| 14:13.19 | SpeedEvil | ww: which are basically not going to happen. |
| 14:14.56 | ww | i's the wiki backed by a sql database? if so a little update statement should do the trick... it's just bad defaulting on account creation. i'd be surprised if it was enforced anywhere |
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| 14:16.20 | SpeedEvil | ww: It's probbaly not. |
| 14:16.30 | kristian-m | Ghiottone|work well if it works without - i don't - anyway i commented it out, in my sources, already |
| 14:16.47 | SpeedEvil | ww: but the chances of getting anything at all done on the wiki which have to be reviewed which are not absolutely critical is close to zero. |
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| 14:17.35 | Ghiottone|work | kristian-m: thanks. that's one of the patches needed for the recipe |
| 14:17.46 | ww | :( |
| 14:17.50 | SpeedEvil | For one user - unless they are very, very special, zero. |
| 14:18.13 | roh | hi ww |
| 14:18.16 | Ghiottone|work | kristian-m: the other is about adding icon and .desktop file to setup.py but I think they logically fit better near the recipe |
| 14:19.28 | roh | ww well... i'd rather like not ask our admin to touch the database.. mediawiki is fucked up enough at it is ;) |
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| 14:26.01 | sudharsh_ | working with gsm on the qemu is kinda accurate right? |
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| 14:33.27 | Ghiottone|work | ? |
| 14:33.35 | Ghiottone|work | PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 13): 550 no such address here |
| 14:34.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 936 has been created by roman.moravcik(AT)gmail.com |
| 14:34.02 | cdbot2 | * * Dialer doesn't display duration of call during call |
| 14:34.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=936 |
| 14:37.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 937 has been created by nikosverschore(AT)gmail.com |
| 14:37.02 | cdbot2 | * * Qemu doens't want to flash images |
| 14:37.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=937 |
| 14:38.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 938 has been created by igorfoox(AT)gmail.com |
| 14:38.02 | cdbot2 | * * Excessive noise when making phone calls |
| 14:38.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=938 |
| 14:39.06 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r3188 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.23.x/patches/ (5 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 14:39.06 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Revert commits r3099 and r3101 to be able to follow the changes in 2.6.22: |
| 14:39.06 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (orig r3137): laforge | 2007-10-09 19:30:14 +0200 |
| 14:39.06 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Modify GTA01 vibrator and backlight driver to work on top of new s3c2410 generic pwm code |
| 14:39.06 | CIA-23 | openmoko: WARNING: this is untested and mainly just committed so shoragan can resolve |
| 14:39.10 | CIA-23 | openmoko: conflicts with his 2.6.23 work. |
| 14:39.12 | CIA-23 | openmoko: If you're bumping OE's srcrev for the kernel beyond this commit, please make sure that |
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| 14:41.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 939 has been created by igorfoox(AT)gmail.com |
| 14:41.02 | cdbot2 | * * Can't add contact phone number when not connected to GSM network |
| 14:41.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=939 |
| 14:41.25 | ScaredyCat | roflmao " WARNING: this is untested" .... isn;t that the same for mst stuff |
| 14:41.52 | ScaredyCat | Ghiottone|work: hih! |
| 14:41.55 | ScaredyCat | huh! |
| 14:42.06 | ScaredyCat | s |
| 14:43.00 | Shoragan | Scaredy, it has been tested by now :) |
| 14:43.25 | ScaredyCat | Ghiottone|work: cna you try agian .... |
| 14:44.08 | Ghiottone|work | ScaredyCat: uh? oh ok I'll send it again |
| 14:45.45 | masterbrian | Hello :) |
| 14:46.08 | masterbrian | anyone have problem compiling openmoko from scratch? |
| 14:46.18 | masterbrian | I've found an openbug about uicmoc4-native |
| 14:46.55 | masterbrian | and seems that the patch "#310" was not released yet |
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| 14:48.11 | masterbrian | there is any workaround to solve this problem? |
| 14:48.57 | ScaredyCat | arrived Ghiottone|work |
| 14:49.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 940 has been created by igorfoox(AT)gmail.com |
| 14:49.02 | cdbot2 | * * Dialer cursor positioning is confusing |
| 14:49.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=940 |
| 14:49.38 | masterbrian | the bug I speak about is 747 |
| 14:49.57 | ScaredyCat | 0.5 Ghiottone|work ?? |
| 14:50.04 | ScaredyCat | what about 0.7b ! |
| 14:51.06 | abraxa__ | masterbrian: The workaround is listed on #747 |
| 14:51.59 | Ghiottone|work | ScaredyCat: uh? I sent you 0.7b ... I'll double check |
| 14:52.03 | masterbrian | abraxa: the workaround speack about a patch |
| 14:52.22 | abraxa_ | masterbrian: Yeah, see the "attachments" box at the to |
| 14:52.22 | masterbrian | abraxa: but I'm unable to find it.. I just know that it is #310 |
| 14:52.24 | abraxa_ | top* |
| 14:52.57 | masterbrian | abraxa: ops... found :) |
| 14:53.01 | abraxa_ | ;) |
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| 14:53.01 | masterbrian | thx |
| 14:53.09 | CM | Hehe, what kidn of quit message is that? |
| 14:53.21 | CM | kind.. |
| 14:53.37 | Ghiottone|work | ??? |
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| 14:53.58 | Ghiottone|work | ScaredyCat I have sent you 0.7b where do you see the other versions? |
| 14:54.26 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r3189 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.23.x/patches/ (gta02-core.patch lis302dl.patch): |
| 14:54.26 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Follow changes in 2.6.22: |
| 14:54.26 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (orig r3144): laforge | 2007-10-10 18:23:20 +0200 |
| 14:54.26 | CIA-23 | openmoko: make lis302dl apply again (fallout from last commit, sorry) |
| 14:54.26 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (orig r3143): laforge | 2007-10-10 18:17:35 +0200 |
| 14:54.28 | CIA-23 | openmoko: fix non-fatal kernel oops during gta02 boot (spi bus number 0 was used twice) |
| 14:55.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 941 has been created by igorfoox(AT)gmail.com |
| 14:55.02 | cdbot2 | * * Kinetic scrolling is hard to use with fingers |
| 14:55.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=941 |
| 14:55.07 | masterbrian | abraxa: there is any documentation about appling a patch to openmoko? |
| 14:56.32 | Shoragan | masterbrian, that differs according on what you want to patchj |
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| 14:57.03 | abraxa_ | masterbrian: Simply download/save the patch and do a "patch < moo.patch" in the MokoMakefile dir |
| 14:57.05 | masterbrian | Shoragan: ok, and how I can apply it? |
| 14:57.12 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r3190 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.23.x/patches/gta02-core.patch: |
| 14:57.12 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Follow change in 2.6.22: |
| 14:57.12 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (orig r3155): laforge | 2007-10-13 03:03:57 +0200 |
| 14:57.12 | CIA-23 | openmoko: GTA02: add missing GPIO definitions for GTA02v1 .. GTA02v4 |
| 14:57.27 | masterbrian | abraxa: thx I'll try |
| 14:57.52 | Shoragan | masterbrain, what is the patch for? |
| 14:58.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 942 has been created by igorfoox(AT)gmail.com |
| 14:58.02 | cdbot2 | * * Hang-up button is badly placed |
| 14:58.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=942 |
| 14:58.14 | ScaredyCat | nm Ghiottone|work - aliens stole my brain |
| 14:58.46 | Ghiottone|work | ScaredyCat what happened? |
| 14:58.48 | masterbrian | abraxa it does not seems to work, it tell's me: can't find file to patch at input line 3 |
| 14:59.15 | ScaredyCat | must have not overwritten the old versiobn |
| 14:59.21 | abraxa_ | masterbrian: Do you have a subdirectory named 'openembedded'? |
| 15:00.39 | masterbrian | abraxa: yes |
| 15:01.23 | abraxa_ | masterbrian: Which of the two patches are you trying to apply? The one dated 2007-08-28 or 2007-09-15? |
| 15:02.02 | masterbrian | abraxa: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=310&action=view |
| 15:02.17 | masterbrian | abraxa: it should be #310... |
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| 15:03.20 | abraxa_ | masterbrian: Yes, that should work. Well, you can just open openembedded/packages/uicmoc/uicmoc4-native_4.3.1.bb and add the sed command - I don't feel like debugging the patch problem right now ;) |
| 15:04.56 | masterbrian | abraxa, done it now I've to restart to compile with "make all"? |
| 15:05.21 | masterbrian | abraxa: sorry for bordering :) |
| 15:05.38 | abraxa_ | Just "make" would be enough - "all" probably builds stuff you don't need (never used "all" myself) |
| 15:05.40 | abraxa_ | No bother ;3 |
| 15:06.11 | masterbrian | abraxa: thank you very much for your patience :) |
| 15:07.05 | abraxa_ | You're welcome, and don't forget to ask when you have problems |
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| 15:07.21 | masterbrian | I'll do it :D |
| 15:09.20 | Ghiottone|work | ScaredyCat is it working? |
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| 15:12.39 | masterbrian | abraxa: I've got the same problem :( |
| 15:12.49 | masterbrian | ERROR: Build of /home/moko/openembedded/packages/uicmoc/uicmoc4-native_4.3.1.bb do_compile failed |
| 15:13.21 | masterbrian | maybe I should make clean-package? |
| 15:13.34 | masterbrian | because of ccache? |
| 15:14.12 | masterbrian | I can try make clean-package-uicmoc4-native (as I do before) |
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| 15:15.03 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r3191 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.23.x/patches/ (asoc-neo1973_wm8753-power.patch series): (log message trimmed) |
| 15:15.03 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Follow changes in 2.6.22: |
| 15:15.03 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (orig r3168): laforge | 2007-10-15 10:54:10 +0200 |
| 15:15.03 | CIA-23 | openmoko: add the asoc amplifier power down fix to the series |
| 15:15.03 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (orig r3167): laforge | 2007-10-15 10:48:09 +0200 |
| 15:15.05 | CIA-23 | openmoko: This patch fixes the current leak caused by not shutting down the audio |
| 15:15.09 | CIA-23 | openmoko: amplifier during suspend/resume and after power-down. See bug |
| 15:15.55 | J-23 | :) |
| 15:19.22 | abraxa_ | masterbrian: Yeah, try it - if that fails also, have a look at the logs in build/tmp/work/arm.../uicmoc4-native.../tmp/ |
| 15:19.33 | masterbrian | ok |
| 15:20.13 | masterbrian | this is the 18th time I've tryed to compile openmoko. one more, one less :) |
| 15:21.57 | XorA | abraxa_: can you remind me of the sed and uicmoc native problem? |
| 15:21.57 | abraxa_ | masterbrian: btw, don't forget to re-apply the patch after cleaning |
| 15:22.04 | abraxa_ | XorA: Remind? |
| 15:22.08 | abraxa_ | Oh |
| 15:22.14 | XorA | abraxa_: Im sure someone told me before, but I forget |
| 15:22.20 | masterbrian | abraxa: of course I've forgot |
| 15:22.33 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03mickey * r3192 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/sounds/startup_unintrusive.wav: starup_unintrusive.wav: normalize PCM wave |
| 15:23.37 | masterbrian | while waiting, a question to the list about the wishlist for hw of neo1973: it will support umts? :) |
| 15:23.46 | XorA | abraxa_: I should see about getting the fix into OE |
| 15:24.16 | abraxa_ | XorA: I take it you don't have time at the moment and want me to check back later? |
| 15:24.19 | Shoragan | masterbrain, no |
| 15:24.35 | XorA | abraxa_: Im working on OM at the moment, so now would be great |
| 15:24.58 | abraxa_ | XorA: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=310&action=view would be it then |
| 15:25.02 | masterbrian | Shoragan that's bad.. the only way to connect to internet at a good is speed will be trough wifi? |
| 15:25.05 | XorA | abraxa_: cheers |
| 15:25.13 | abraxa_ | Closes OM bug #747 |
| 15:25.40 | Shoragan | masterbrian, or via bluetooth to an umts phone |
| 15:25.40 | masterbrian | abraxa: after make clean-package-ecc the openembedded/packages/uicmoc/uicmoc4-native_4.3.1.bb still have the "patch" I've done manually |
| 15:25.53 | Shoragan | there is simply no way to make such a change now |
| 15:26.09 | masterbrian | Shoragan: I've suppose that neo1973 could replace any other phone I've |
| 15:26.51 | Shoragan | umts is in the list for the next hardware |
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| 15:27.10 | masterbrian | oh, so IT IS in the list.. that sound very good! :) |
| 15:27.28 | Mek | next as in after the one that hasn't been released yet :P |
| 15:27.36 | Shoragan | but that will be different from the neo1973 |
| 15:27.42 | abraxa_ | XorA: Also, can you add the runtime depencenies of "gst-plugin-pulse" and "curl" to openmoko-mediaplayer2_svn.bb, please? |
| 15:27.47 | vciaglia | hi guys, someone know why the receiver can't listen me? And when i make a call i can't hear the ring... |
| 15:27.56 | masterbrian | phisically different? another phone? |
| 15:28.11 | Shoragan | yes |
| 15:28.25 | masterbrian | this mean I'll cannot upgrade from neo1973 :( |
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| 15:29.06 | mickey | gst-plugin-pulse needs to be added to openmoko-sound-system |
| 15:29.10 | mickey | i already did that |
| 15:29.16 | mickey | let me check whether this has been pushed |
| 15:29.26 | abraxa_ | Ahh okay |
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| 15:32.50 | mickey | pushed |
| 15:32.51 | mickey | l8er |
| 15:32.56 | Hadaka | Hmh, will there ever be a driver for the GTA01 GPS? |
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| 15:33.15 | Hadaka | Short of an open source rewrite that is, I mean a binary driver |
| 15:33.35 | Mek | according to the lates messages nearly all issues witht he binaray driver have been resolved... |
| 15:33.41 | abraxa_ | mickey|dinner: Thanks, and enjoy :) |
| 15:33.45 | mickey|dinner | thanks |
| 15:34.22 | Hadaka | Mek: great |
| 15:34.27 | Henryk | Hadaka: the last message on community on that indicates that the binary driver should now be available (e.g. the licensing issues have been resolved) |
| 15:34.46 | Hadaka | Henryk: even better! but I'll believe it when I can download the binary :) |
| 15:34.51 | Henryk | the only problem now is that there was a switch from OABI to EABI and the driver doesn't like that |
| 15:37.16 | XorA | abraxa_: pushing uicmoc4-native fix now, it didnt break stuff here |
| 15:38.13 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r3193 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.23.x/patches/ (arm-atag-kexec.patch series): |
| 15:38.14 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Follow change in 2.6.22: |
| 15:38.14 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (orig r3169): laforge | 2007-10-15 11:07:35 +0200 |
| 15:38.14 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Add patch to fix kexec() on ARM machines that need the ATAG structure to be |
| 15:38.14 | CIA-23 | openmoko: passed from the bootloader in order to properly boot. (Closes: |
| 15:38.17 | CIA-23 | openmoko: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=930) |
| 15:38.21 | abraxa_ | XorA: Matter of fact, it fixed things on my side, hehe |
| 15:39.33 | Hadaka | does anyone know of a prebuilt binary kernel/image later than r3166 - I'd like to get a kernel with the audio amp power leak fixed |
| 15:39.53 | Hadaka | also, has anyone tried the uboot versions where the 40ms->100ms charging speed change has been made already? |
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| 15:56.25 | J-23 | Can I use normal keyboard as OpenMoko keyboard on QEMU? |
| 15:59.14 | Sup3rkiddo | J-23, if its for the shell, you could ssh into it |
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| 16:00.21 | J-23 | Hmm... |
| 16:00.25 | J-23 | on Windows? |
| 16:01.15 | Sup3rkiddo | no idea then |
| 16:06.43 | hrw | J-23: on linux you can add keyboard emulation |
| 16:06.54 | hrw | iirc qemu starting scripts even tell how |
| 16:08.02 | J-23 | but on Windows?... |
| 16:08.40 | nelson | Is there a way to build an openmoko image that is known to build? |
| 16:08.51 | nelson | I want to both 1) have sources, and 2) a working image. |
| 16:09.10 | nelson | and yes, I realize that that inevitably means working with out-of-date sources. |
| 16:09.17 | abraxa_ | nelson: Use MokoMakefile and try :) |
| 16:09.24 | nelson | abraxa_: have done and it doesn't. |
| 16:09.31 | abraxa_ | nelson: With what problem? |
| 16:09.58 | nelson | currently? midori won't build. Earlier, mtpaint wouldn't build. |
| 16:10.20 | abraxa_ | nelson: Did you check OM and OE bugzillas? |
| 16:11.03 | nelson | well, I was wanting code that builds, not having to fix code that is documented as not building. |
| 16:11.54 | nelson | I want to paint the wall, not fix the foundation. |
| 16:12.06 | abraxa_ | Unfortunately that can't happen as of now |
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| 16:13.23 | ScaredyCat | brb |
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| 16:14.34 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r3194 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.23.x/patches/ (gta01-vibrator.patch s3c2410-pwm.patch): (log message trimmed) |
| 16:14.34 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Follow changes in 2.6.22: |
| 16:14.34 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (orig r3173): laforge | 2007-10-15 14:49:23 +0200 |
| 16:14.34 | CIA-23 | openmoko: increase vibrator PWM frequency to 257kHz (66MHz / 2 / 2 / 64) to be outside |
| 16:14.34 | CIA-23 | openmoko: the human-audible range. It's a vibrator, not a 4kHz beeper! |
| 16:14.36 | nelson | abraxa_: hrm. Then how does anybody actually manage to reflash their phone with a working image? Pure luck? |
| 16:14.38 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (orig r3171): laforge | 2007-10-15 12:54:10 +0200 |
| 16:14.40 | CIA-23 | openmoko: S3c24xx timer4 doesn't have PWM support, so don't even try to use it for that. |
| 16:15.11 | nelson | "Hey, everybody! The image is building right now! Quick, rebuild and reflash!" |
| 16:15.27 | nelson | That seems insane to me, so I speculate that that's not how it works, and I'm doing something wrong. |
| 16:15.39 | abraxa_ | nelson: Tons (most?) people here use public repositories and don't build images themselves |
| 16:16.23 | nelson | abraxa_: oh, you mean they download an image and install packages from a binary feed? |
| 16:16.46 | abraxa_ | nelson: Exactly |
| 16:17.03 | nelson | Oh, so the instructions for MokoMakeFile are wrong? |
| 16:17.09 | abraxa_ | Not at all |
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| 16:17.30 | nelson | but if you can't build an image except through luck, how is that not wrong? |
| 16:17.31 | abraxa_ | MokoMakefile is for those who don't want to use readymade images/ipkg feeds |
| 16:18.14 | Sup3rkiddo | nelson, trust me, have some patience to get it built successfully...once you get your image built, successive builds go without a hitch |
| 16:18.42 | nelson | So how to port my application when it depends on various libraries only available for development in source form? |
| 16:19.37 | Sup3rkiddo | nelson, may i know what libraries...just curious |
| 16:19.48 | nelson | Or is the key to NOT try to build an image, but instead simply to build my package and not worry that the image won't build. |
| 16:19.56 | abraxa_ | nelson: If your build doesn't go through you can build those dependencies manually using MokoMakefile's "build-package-foo" targets |
| 16:20.52 | nelson | Sup3rkiddo: boost, among others. |
| 16:21.21 | Sup3rkiddo | ouch, thats big, isnt it |
| 16:21.34 | nelson | yep. pretty essential. |
| 16:21.52 | nelson | So it sounds like I should only worry about my dependencies building and not everything else that goes in the image. |
| 16:22.07 | nelson | And then later, when somebody is building the image + packages, my stuff will "just work". |
| 16:22.23 | Sup3rkiddo | nelson, yes, may the source be with you |
| 16:22.54 | abraxa_ | nelson: That approach sounds quite reasonable to me |
| 16:23.33 | nelson | abraxa_: thanks for the reassurance. All pats on the back appreciated. |
| 16:24.19 | abraxa_ | nelson: I essentially follow the same approach, so... |
| 16:26.41 | nelson | Is this documented somewhere? Perhaps on the MokoMakeFile wiki page? |
| 16:27.18 | abraxa_ | nelson: No, as the situation is only temporary |
| 16:27.45 | nelson | unless you develop a system for building and rebuilding to get the same thing with OE, the situation is permanent. |
| 16:27.49 | abraxa_ | nelson: In the long run, OM will tie down package versions and not run on OE head |
| 16:28.03 | nelson | right, that's necessary for sanity. |
| 16:28.20 | abraxa_ | Yeah, the OM/OE folks just didn't get to it yet |
| 16:28.56 | Henryk | nelson: the OE guys are very serious about reproducible buildability, so this is actually an OM problem, not an OE one |
| 16:30.18 | ScaredyCat | huh? |
| 16:30.39 | ScaredyCat | don't oe control the .bb repo... |
| 16:31.24 | ScaredyCat | for example, midori seems to die due to some webkit changes... |
| 16:31.27 | Ghiottone|work | I read that they will be releasing stable branches as the OE repo is changing too fast |
| 16:31.31 | ScaredyCat | that's not an om issue |
| 16:31.52 | Ghiottone|work | but it will happen early next year |
| 16:31.53 | ScaredyCat | Ghiottone|work: good new |
| 16:31.55 | ScaredyCat | a |
| 16:32.00 | ScaredyCat | s |
| 16:32.12 | Ghiottone|work | yeah |
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| 16:32.31 | ScaredyCat | at least they get the fact that it's pretty insane to develop where th goalposts move all the time |
| 16:32.37 | PBeck | hi |
| 16:33.07 | ScaredyCat | PBeck: ! |
| 16:34.14 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r3195 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.23.x/patches/smedia-glamo.patch: |
| 16:34.14 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Follow change in 2.6.22: |
| 16:34.14 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (orig r3174): laforge | 2007-10-15 14:50:15 +0200 |
| 16:34.14 | CIA-23 | openmoko: the spi bus is number 2 (0+1 are s3c24xx internal spi0 and spi1) |
| 16:34.23 | XorA | abraxa_: stop giving away the secrets of my job :-) |
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| 16:35.43 | Henryk | XorA: did you see the slowness now? |
| 16:35.59 | XorA | Henryk: yes, its insane |
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| 16:38.07 | Henryk | but at least you'll be able to use your "Texas Instruments 916 VDT 8859/1 8 bit control 132 column mode" with the Neo :-) And any other obscure terminal type the humanity ever heard about |
| 16:39.39 | PBeck | hi ScaredyCat :) |
| 16:42.43 | abraxa_ | Henryk: New termcaps file? |
| 16:43.22 | Henryk | abraxa_: i have a short shell magic which extracts only a given subset of lines from the huge termcap file (e.g. all relating to xterms) |
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| 16:43.35 | krLun | i must say: AWESOME decision to go with Atmel GPS |
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| 16:43.57 | Henryk | thus you'll get the size down from 700k to 7k, and parse time down from 15s to nil |
| 16:44.11 | abraxa_ | Henryk: Nice - I hope it'll let me use Eterm, too ;) |
| 16:44.38 | Henryk | abraxa_: should be easy to add terminal types upon request |
| 16:45.54 | Henryk | abraxa_: maybe check first whether eterm really needs termcap. the manpage says that termcap basically is obsolete and people should use terminfo |
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| 16:46.16 | Henryk | vte needs termcap. screen works with terminfo but will parse termcap if it's there |
| 16:49.11 | abraxa_ | Henryk: How can I check? It wasn't recognized by OM's termcap file but did so after I replaced it with a more complete one |
| 16:49.30 | thomasgruebler | hello |
| 16:49.45 | thomasgruebler | is the gscpa webcam driver working on the neo? |
| 16:49.51 | Henryk | abraxa_: remove /etc/termcap and check whether it still works |
| 16:50.52 | abraxa_ | Henryk: Nope, doesn't |
| 16:51.01 | SpeedEvil | thomasg: no |
| 16:51.08 | SpeedEvil | thmo: well - it's not installed. |
| 16:51.08 | Henryk | abraxa_: pity |
| 16:51.17 | abraxa_ | Henryk: Indeed |
| 16:51.20 | SpeedEvil | thomasg: there is no reason why it shouldn't work if you compile it. |
| 16:51.58 | thomasgruebler | ok |
| 16:52.09 | thomasgruebler | i want to connect a webcam to it wenn i have one |
| 16:52.18 | thomasgruebler | can i test it in qemu as well |
| 16:52.26 | thomasg | SpeedEvil: you don't mean me :) |
| 16:52.36 | thomasgruebler | so when it works in wemu it works i real too? |
| 16:52.37 | SpeedEvil | Now, that's just silly. |
| 16:53.15 | abraxa_ | Henryk: Any chance of inclusion in your scripts? |
| 16:53.25 | Henryk | abraxa_: figure out which termcap entry is needed and add a comment to http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3075 |
| 16:53.33 | abraxa_ | Henryk: Woot, thanks :) |
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| 16:54.03 | thomasgruebler | currently i cannot boot with qemu |
| 16:54.09 | Henryk | should probably only need to change grep ^xterm into grep ^(xterm|whatever|more) |
| 16:55.14 | thomasgruebler | ? |
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| 17:00.24 | Sup3rkiddo | can anyone point me to a working openmoko/flash.sh, its been borked in my case for weeks |
| 17:01.24 | berkus | what's flash.sh? |
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| 17:03.25 | roh | hi Michael |
| 17:03.41 | MichaelShiloh | hi roh |
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| 17:04.51 | Sup3rkiddo | oops sorry, flash.sh, which makefile uses to flash qemu |
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| 17:21.49 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r3196 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.23.x/patches/ (gta01-backlight.patch gta01-vibrator.patch s3c2410-pwm.patch): (log message trimmed) |
| 17:21.51 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Follow change in 2.6.22: |
| 17:21.53 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (orig r3179): laforge | 2007-10-15 18:44:08 +0200 |
| 17:21.55 | CIA-23 | openmoko: s3c2410_pwm: |
| 17:21.57 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * change structure name into one without _t suffix (it's not a typedef, thank god) |
| 17:22.01 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * don't allocate the pwm structure within s3c2410_pwm code, but rather embed it |
| 17:22.03 | CIA-23 | openmoko: into other structures |
| 17:24.56 | guaqua | "Kids running around naked..." |
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| 17:49.08 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r3197 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.23.x/patches/ (gta02-core.patch gta02-leds.patch gta02-leds.patch series): |
| 17:49.08 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Follow change in 2.6.22: |
| 17:49.08 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (orig r3181): laforge | 2007-10-15 18:44:47 +0200 |
| 17:49.08 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Add GTA02 LED driver as well as required platform devices/resources |
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| 18:01.06 | Ghiottone | hi all |
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| 18:47.46 | Henryk | re |
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| 19:02.03 | guri | evening. everyone prepared for this evening's stupid question? |
| 19:02.37 | CoreDump | don't ask to ask, just ask ;) |
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| 19:04.16 | guri | OK. I have debugboard and a bricked neo. I can get to a point where "lsusb -v -d 0x1457:" gives me both the board and the neo....does this mean I can use dfu-util (boot, kernel, fs) without resorting to OCD? |
| 19:05.06 | CoreDump | hrmmm |
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| 19:06.00 | guri | i have been struck by the (logged by LaForge) Factory Reset bug |
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| 19:06.30 | CoreDump | for dfu-util you need to have a semi-working uboot in console mode. Makes itself known as a /dev/ttyACM* device in dmesg |
| 19:06.39 | guri | and I'm a little scared of OCD as there's a lot of old snapshot ref's (august?) plus it's bv2 not bv4 like my neo |
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| 19:07.27 | CoreDump | uboot may only wait a few seconds in console mode until booting the kernel |
| 19:08.13 | guri | CoreDump, I can "see" /dev/ttyACM but neither screen/minicom/cu do anything when attaching |
| 19:08.35 | CoreDump | hmm that is not good I guess :\ |
| 19:08.46 | CoreDump | your uboot is in console / upgrade mode? |
| 19:09.27 | guri | I will look for the bug ref |
| 19:10.18 | guri | http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=765 |
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| 19:11.30 | guri | CoreDump, I should point out that I also class myself as a complete n00b at this level....I only wanted to mess with some app's and maybe do some themes. luckily I shelled out on the advanced! |
| 19:13.31 | CoreDump | heh |
| 19:13.47 | CoreDump | well, you sure you got hit by this bug? |
| 19:14.47 | CM | Can you flash a new uboot? |
| 19:15.05 | guri | I got put on an order waiting list, read and re-read the wiki, get things running in Qemu, wait....wait...wait...it arrives. I follow instructions....it's dead :( |
| 19:15.10 | CM | If you start the neo by holding in aux, can you then flash a new kernel for instance? |
| 19:15.14 | guri | but! i get to learn lots!! |
| 19:15.23 | CM | guri: That's the spirit! :) |
| 19:15.50 | guri | CM nope. i can't even connect to it. that's the bug. No console from bad uboot env |
| 19:16.25 | CoreDump | then it is time to recover the env via debug board I'm afraid :\ |
| 19:16.40 | CoreDump | at least I dunno what else you could try w/o uboot access |
| 19:17.14 | guri | ok a 3 foot 2 featherweight |
| 19:17.23 | CoreDump | =) |
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| 19:18.00 | CoreDump | my only problem w/ the debug board was installing the driver for it and modprobing it w/ proper options |
| 19:18.05 | guri | CoreDump, that is my current task. I'm having a few "i'm an idiot" issues getting everything set up. |
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| 19:18.30 | guri | CoreDump, me too. I'm pretty sure that's cool now. So my fear is the OCD config |
| 19:18.53 | CoreDump | the fact that you are a) here and b) ask intelligent questions proves that you are no idiot but a newbie ;) |
| 19:18.55 | guri | all the references are to bv2 and I have bv4 and the Snapshot dates are way older than my device |
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| 19:19.22 | CM | guri: I can't access the console either, since my env is borked |
| 19:19.27 | CM | guri: But I can flash it anyway |
| 19:19.33 | CM | Guess it's a different error then |
| 19:19.39 | guri | CoreDump, just questioning my own intelligence really. + everyone is very helpful here |
| 19:19.49 | CoreDump | guri: did you try dfu-util? |
| 19:20.04 | guri | CM. yes I remember you saying. |
| 19:20.21 | CM | guri: Yes, if you start it by holding in aux, and have it plugged in to the comp, what does dfu-util -l say? |
| 19:20.22 | CoreDump | well, wait, flashing a new uboot would _not_ fix the env |
| 19:20.35 | guri | CM, my problem is that bootloader is not responding after I somehow di something wrong on the 1st flash, then did Factory reset. |
| 19:20.40 | CM | CoreDump: No, but on the latest uboots the console output is default |
| 19:20.47 | guri | that Factory Reset apparently gives you a bad boot env |
| 19:21.08 | guri | so now I have to do the whole low-level-foo stuff :( |
| 19:21.10 | CM | guri: Ok. Ouch.. (Sorry for being slow getting that part) |
| 19:21.16 | guri | CM s'OK |
| 19:21.41 | guri | every time I come here and explain the situation in full. someone says "ouch" :) |
| 19:23.16 | guri | so....I have to 1. be able to talk to the debug board, so I can 2. get it to do the low-level boot, so that it can then 3. load a u-boot that works, so I can then 4. flash it *properly* |
| 19:23.19 | viq | guri: just don't wave your arms so empathically? ;) |
| 19:23.46 | guri | there's steps 5-1093444 too |
| 19:24.01 | guri | viq meh ;) |
| 19:25.27 | CoreDump | basically you want "./devirginate -1" |
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| 19:26.13 | guri | CoreDump, yeah. I kinda want to see what I'm doing though now I've come this far. I'm sure I will drink some beer and then just go with it in the end. |
| 19:26.54 | CoreDump | stay away from a ./devirginate w/o parameters or ./devirginate - |
| 19:26.59 | CoreDump | -0 |
| 19:28.01 | guri | thanks. |
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| 19:29.48 | CoreDump | BTW: http://planet.openmoko.org/ is missing the OM favicon |
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| 19:30.06 | CoreDump | guri: good luck ;) |
| 19:31.27 | guri | CoreDump, I'm building myself up for a Sunday night success. Life & Work in the way.... |
| 19:31.49 | guri | Free unbricking to anyone in the UK when it's working...if you come to Bristol |
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| 19:42.15 | CoreDump | =) |
| 19:47.07 | CoreDump | to bad the debug cable is rather fragile |
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| 19:49.14 | CoreDump | btw: any news on a GPS driver? |
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| 19:50.12 | ScaredyCat | wtf! |
| 19:50.19 | ScaredyCat | supersmoker.nl |
| 19:51.07 | Mek | :) |
| 19:52.03 | enjahova | ? |
| 19:53.31 | enjahova | like a vaporizer |
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| 20:09.04 | CM | Hmm.. openmoko-browser2 crashed |
| 20:09.44 | seanc | openmoko work with bluetooth audio for cars? |
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| 20:09.59 | CM | I Don't think anyone has tried that yet |
| 20:10.15 | CM | But it should work if configured correctly :-) |
| 20:11.08 | seanc | sweet! |
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| 20:11.43 | seanc | and what's the scoop with mail/web browsers? |
| 20:11.53 | abraxa_ | CM: Is your Neo on? |
| 20:12.00 | CM | abraxa_: Sure is |
| 20:12.13 | CM | Just tried to get the openmoko-browser2 working |
| 20:12.14 | seanc | I'm looking for something nominally functional, but am willing to be on the edge |
| 20:12.30 | abraxa_ | CM: If I remember correctly a "hcitool dev" will show the profiles supported by the BT chipset, can you try? |
| 20:12.38 | abraxa_ | (my BT is broken) |
| 20:12.39 | CM | seanc: It's all a bit unstable right now. Webkit is constantly changeing |
| 20:13.09 | CM | abraxa_: That only gives me hci0 00:06:6E:14:4B:FD |
| 20:13.17 | seanc | CM: can I make/receive calls? |
| 20:13.40 | seanc | (is there a page that has all of these FAQ's?) |
| 20:13.50 | CM | seanc: Yes, I can. Right now I only get "You need to refill your card" because I've run out of credits.. :P |
| 20:13.58 | CM | faq? |
| 20:14.09 | CM | aloril: What's up with that script? |
| 20:14.43 | abraxa_ | CM: "hciconfig up; hciconfig features"? |
| 20:14.51 | CM | seanc: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ |
| 20:14.52 | seanc | CM: frequently asked questions - I'm thinking about switching from at&t to verizon and am contemplating Q vs. neo |
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| 20:15.36 | CM | seanc: I know what you meant, just that aloril used to have an auto-trigger when you typed faq? to show the url to it :) |
| 20:15.48 | seanc | CM: ah! :) |
| 20:15.58 | CM | I tried to be lazy.. ;) |
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| 20:16.44 | CM | abraxa_: http://rafb.net/p/XdU44m15.html |
| 20:16.51 | CM | faq |
| 20:17.01 | CM | Guess he turned off that trigger completely |
| 20:17.17 | SpeedEvil | Does GTA03 have a camera? |
| 20:18.11 | cb22__ | s/does/will/ ? |
| 20:18.59 | abraxa_ | CM: Ah, "hcitool info 00:06:6E:14:4B:FD" should be it actually |
| 20:19.14 | CM | abraxa_: http://rafb.net/p/fIMLV313.html |
| 20:19.18 | CM | that one is better |
| 20:19.25 | abraxa_ | Yeah :) |
| 20:19.29 | abraxa_ | Thanks |
| 20:20.06 | CM | np, was just a bit slow figuring out the command ;) |
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| 20:23.21 | abraxa_ | seanc: You'll want the HFP (Hands Free Profile) for BlueTooth to use a phone in the car properly - the BlueZ wiki says: "Work is on the way to support HFP 1.5. As it is a complicated beast to tackle, there is a specific design page." |
| 20:23.46 | abraxa_ | In other words: not even the general Linux Bluetooth stack has it yet but when it will, the Neo will, too |
| 20:24.40 | seanc | abraxa_: alright, cool... I'll have to keep my eye on this |
| 20:25.16 | abraxa_ | seanc: You can however use the Headset Profile (HSP) already as it's supported by BlueZ - not quite the same but I guess it's sufficient |
| 20:25.40 | seanc | abraxa_: I don't have any headsets - only handsfree in my car :) |
| 20:25.50 | abraxa_ | Dang |
| 20:26.02 | seanc | abraxa_: yeah :-/ |
| 20:26.08 | abraxa_ | (Side note: who the heck needs WAP over Bluetooth...) |
| 20:26.43 | seanc | abraxa_ && CM: Thx! |
| 20:26.52 | guri | abraxa_, WAP over whut? |
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| 20:30.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 943 has been created by cm(AT)acc.umu.se |
| 20:30.02 | cdbot2 | * * openmoko-browser2 segfaults when trying to open an url |
| 20:30.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=943 |
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| 22:11.35 | ljp | hi bluelightning_ |
| 22:12.42 | bluelightning_ | hi ljp |
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| 22:17.48 | rwhitby | morning |
| 22:18.24 | ljp | hi |
| 22:19.47 | ljp | lucky you.. |
| 22:19.52 | Vegar | ljp: does qtopia have that background-noise issue that was reported earlier this week? |
| 22:20.14 | ljp | Vegar: it depends on the gmshandset.state that is used |
| 22:20.20 | ljp | I think |
| 22:20.20 | rwhitby | ljp: the worst thing so far: walking into Fry's and walking out not buying a thing. |
| 22:20.32 | ljp | oh. Fry's is awesome |
| 22:20.42 | rwhitby | usually, but not this time. |
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| 22:20.53 | abraxa_ | rwhitby: How is that the worst thing? |
| 22:20.56 | rwhitby | the consumer electronics market is currently uninspiring. |
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| 22:21.15 | rwhitby | abraxa_: There are no Fry's in Australia, so it's a once a year thing. |
| 22:21.24 | Vegar | ljp: this one: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=938 |
| 22:21.35 | rwhitby | and I expect to walk out with some cool new gadget to hack or play with. |
| 22:21.39 | abraxa_ | rwhitby: Well yeah, but how is it a bad thing not to buy something? :) |
| 22:21.44 | abraxa_ | Ahh, okay |
| 22:21.48 | abraxa_ | Makes sense then ;3 |
| 22:22.15 | ljp | Vegar: not real sure. havent tested fro that just yet |
| 22:22.21 | Vegar | ok |
| 22:22.31 | rwhitby | The only new gadget I've got this trip is an ipod nano 3g. and it's not hackable at all. |
| 22:22.38 | rwhitby | (I didn't pay for it) |
| 22:22.40 | Vegar | ljp: I just thought it would be interesting to know whether it was a software or a hardware issue |
| 22:23.04 | ljp | might try fiddling with alsamixer |
| 22:23.42 | abraxa_ | rwhitby: Welp, you know that's a sign. Work more on OpenMoko :) |
| 22:24.10 | rwhitby | I have the Neo with me, and even an NSLU2 to reflash it. |
| 22:24.20 | abraxa_ | Awesome |
| 22:24.24 | rwhitby | "Portable Devirgination Kit" |
| 22:24.42 | rwhitby | all is powered from the laptop USB |
| 22:24.57 | rwhitby | actually, I can't devirginate, just dfu-util. |
| 22:26.32 | rwhitby | the flex cable on the debug board is just to fragile to carry halfway around the world and back |
| 22:26.38 | rwhitby | s/to/too/ |
| 22:27.22 | abraxa_ | Indeed |
| 22:28.47 | Vegar | I wonder if I should get a debug board with my GTA02 |
| 22:29.42 | abraxa_ | Vegar: What country are you in? |
| 22:29.46 | ljp | i wish apm gave back useful info on remaining battery |
| 22:29.57 | Vegar | abraxa_: Norway |
| 22:31.05 | abraxa_ | Vegar: Tough call, though I would assume there will be several peeps in Norway with a debug board, too |
| 22:31.19 | SpeedEvil | Vegar: GTA02 debug board is almost useless. |
| 22:31.41 | SpeedEvil | Vegar: there is inbuilt flash that you can only flash with the debug board that is a backup uboot |
| 22:32.39 | SpeedEvil | ljp: ballpark. 80%=90%, 50%=5%. I've got a patch to greatly improve runtime detection, but it's on a unconnected disk drive ast the moment. |
| 22:33.09 | Vegar | SpeedEvil: a builtin uboot-backup in the neo? |
| 22:33.11 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: Oh right, you make a valid point... I totally forgot about that |
| 22:33.12 | SpeedEvil | ljp: I've recently bought a large drive, and am shuffling data around slowly. |
| 22:33.20 | SpeedEvil | Vegar: yes |
| 22:33.30 | SpeedEvil | Vegar: it utterly cannot be written withouyt the debug board. |
| 22:33.40 | Vegar | SpeedEvil: so bricking is almost impossible? |
| 22:33.57 | SpeedEvil | Without the debug board, a brick is a hardware problem. |
| 22:34.06 | SpeedEvil | Not anything you did yo it with softwre. |
| 22:34.12 | SpeedEvil | to it |
| 22:34.15 | Vegar | interesting |
| 22:34.36 | Vegar | how would I re-flash uboot when I break it? |
| 22:34.47 | Vegar | would the thing that runs before uboot take care of that? |
| 22:34.47 | SpeedEvil | as I understand it. |
| 22:34.59 | SpeedEvil | The thing usually boots from the secured flash |
| 22:35.06 | SpeedEvil | then transfers over to the main u-boot |
| 22:35.17 | SpeedEvil | So it's presumably a case of holding a button down |
| 22:36.06 | Vegar | ahh |
| 22:36.08 | Vegar | that's pretty cool |
| 22:37.58 | Vegar | unless there's a bug in the secure-flash uboot |
| 22:38.47 | SpeedEvil | Well - unless the implementation is broken - it should do what it did at first. |
| 22:39.02 | SpeedEvil | So even if it's missing some features it should sort-of-work. |
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| 22:51.44 | monkeyBox | Hi all! Is it possible to install openmoko on other cell-phones? I really like the Helio Ocean hardware, but I'm not sure if anyone's tried to install moko on it... |
| 22:52.47 | abraxa_ | monkeyBox: I'd check if anyone else got linux to boot/run on it yet - if so, chances are good that OpenMoko will run as well |
| 22:55.00 | monkeyBox | abraxa_: do you have an openmoko phone? |
| 22:55.39 | abraxa_ | A Neo, yeah |
| 22:55.53 | monkeyBox | I'm in the market for a new phone, and an open-source phone sounds awesome, but that thing looks so thick :-p |
| 22:56.16 | monkeyBox | is the Neo the latest one, or is that the 1973? |
| 22:56.36 | abraxa_ | That's the Neo1973, yep |
| 22:56.54 | abraxa_ | Well, I personally think it's very handy |
| 22:57.02 | abraxa_ | Not too big, not too small |
| 22:57.36 | abraxa_ | Sure, the iPhone offers similar features on less space but for that they needed to make the battery non-replacable |
| 23:03.07 | anrp | handy in a physical sense |
| 23:03.14 | anrp | but .. not quite a phone, not yet at least |
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| 23:08.25 | abraxa_ | anrp: Yes, handy in the physical sense :) |
| 23:09.58 | Vegar | it's almost a phone now |
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| 23:11.23 | freelock | Mine's the best cell phone I've got now... |
| 23:11.44 | freelock | Just have to keep it plugged in, and so when I'm out I end up out of battery before getting in... |
| 23:12.05 | freelock | But my other cell phone now disconnects whenever I flip it open to answer a call... |
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| 23:13.13 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. Slowing mobile sales (ericsonn) |
| 23:14.08 | Vegar | maybe people are getting tired of buying new phones every six months? |
| 23:14.11 | SpeedEvil | I suppose over the last few years there has always been new users propping up stagnant sales figures. |
| 23:14.39 | SpeedEvil | But now there are no new users in the west. |
| 23:14.54 | SpeedEvil | Well - 1/60th of the population/year |
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| 23:22.17 | ljp | anyone know the low end of battvolt? |
| 23:22.58 | abraxa_ | ljp: SpeedEvil does ;) |
| 23:24.15 | gw280 | hey ljp |
| 23:24.19 | ljp | hey |
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| 23:25.21 | SpeedEvil | ljp: 2800 or a bit above and the battery will hard-cut off. |
| 23:25.25 | SpeedEvil | s/battery/phone. |
| 23:25.30 | SpeedEvil | ljp: ballpark. |
| 23:25.34 | SpeedEvil | 4200 = 100% |
| 23:25.40 | SpeedEvil | 4000=90% |
| 23:25.48 | SpeedEvil | 3600=20% |
| 23:25.55 | SpeedEvil | 3400=5% |
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| 23:35.34 | kristian-m | SpeedEvil is there a table or graph of that somewhere? |
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| 23:36.38 | anrp | it looks like mV to me |
| 23:36.44 | anrp | just look up li-ion chemistry |
| 23:36.54 | anrp | terminal voltage is very well correlated with SoC |
| 23:37.01 | anrp | after accounting for internal resistance from current draw |
| 23:37.02 | SpeedEvil | It is. |
| 23:37.38 | SpeedEvil | kristian-m: yes. |
| 23:37.54 | SpeedEvil | kristian-m: google 'lithium-ion' charge graph |
| 23:38.37 | SpeedEvil | I've got a nice curve fit patch including battery age and wear, ... |
| 23:38.42 | kristian-m | SpeedEvil ah should have known - it the same for every li-ion:-) |
| 23:39.01 | SpeedEvil | Hopefully I should get it setup within the week. |
| 23:39.30 | SpeedEvil | Another drive would make this so much easier. |
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