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| 00:42.24 | dotmef | hey everyone |
| 00:42.38 | dotmef | is WebKit b0rked or am I doing something wrong? |
| 00:44.21 | cesarb | dotmef: it was broken for me earlier this week until I nuked the whole build |
| 00:44.36 | cesarb | dotmef: then midori started being the broken one... with almost the same webkit error |
| 00:44.38 | dotmef | cesarb: ah - one of those issues. thanks |
| 00:44.56 | cesarb | dotmef: but at least midori is in feeds, not in image |
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| 00:58.42 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3155 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta02-core.patch: GTA02: add missing GPIO definitions for GTA02v1 .. GTA02v4 |
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| 00:59.20 | rwhitby | hmm - gta02v4 |
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| 01:01.55 | cb22 | i just got a few iphones to play with... how exactly does it do the orientation trick? |
| 01:02.23 | raster | with chickens |
| 01:02.27 | raster | and sacrifices |
| 01:02.37 | cb22 | thought so |
| 01:05.46 | cesarb | rwhitby: wasn't v3 added like today or yesterday? |
| 01:05.52 | cesarb | rwhitby: that's some churn here |
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| 01:08.58 | rwhitby | cesarb: I'm hoping v4 means P0 is soon |
| 01:09.32 | cesarb | rwhitby: I think it means nothing at all other than "new pcb revision" |
| 01:10.41 | cesarb | cb22: hm, that could explain v3 and v4 being close together... two different chips... |
| 01:10.48 | cesarb | cb22: sort of in paralell |
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| 01:10.57 | cb22 | cesarb, true |
| 01:11.16 | cesarb | cb22: OTOH, it could also be explained by an exploding capacitor |
| 01:11.38 | cb22 | well, at least thats plausible :) |
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| 01:12.16 | cb22 | although i think compiz-fusion-mobile would rape it :) |
| 01:13.10 | cb22 | powered by accelerometers |
| 01:13.10 | daMaestro | +1 |
| 01:13.14 | daMaestro | +10 |
| 01:13.16 | daMaestro | ;-) |
| 01:13.19 | cb22 | hehe |
| 01:13.53 | cb22 | dont suppose anyone has actually used the smedia chip before |
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| 03:26.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 930 has been created by mwester(AT)dls.net |
| 03:26.02 | cdbot2 | * * kexec fails on the neo; requires existing kexec ATAG patch |
| 03:26.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=930 |
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| 05:01.25 | roh | re |
| 05:07.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 931 has been created by mail(AT)mmontour.net |
| 05:07.02 | cdbot2 | * * matchbox-panel-2 segfault in pango_font_get_coverage() |
| 05:07.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=931 |
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| 05:44.08 | mwester | 'allo roh |
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| 06:35.58 | toast0 | hi all, i wanted to recompile the kernel for my neo to enable fbcon rotation, but I've never cross compiled a kernel before, and when i go to make the kernel, it tries to build an x86 kernel... Where can i look to find the settings I need to set to build the kernel? |
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| 07:13.18 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:15.56 | mbuf | Hopscotch, good morning |
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| 07:29.29 | raddy | Hello Everybody |
| 07:29.54 | raddy | Does uboot serial console support most of the commands? |
| 07:30.16 | raddy | Like formatting, extracting tar archives, etc? |
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| 07:54.38 | *** topic/#openmoko by buz -> The OpenMoko Project - http://openmoko.org - Neo1973 GTA01 on sale at https://direct.openmoko.com || Do not ask about GTA02 (December as of last update, yes, that's the one with WiFi, and no, there's no cam, GPS will be u-blox/Atmel ATR0635 ). |
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| 08:34.44 | Fabian2_de | Hey Guys, anybody there who knows about porting OpemMoko to hardware other than the Neo? |
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| 08:36.04 | roh | Fabian2_de well.. the openmoko-stuff is the least to 'port' the linux beneath is is most of the work |
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| 08:37.34 | Fabian2_de | roh: well, yeah, I know... I tried to compile an openmoko-image for h5000 using MokoMakefile, but the image is way too big for my device (h5400). |
| 08:46.11 | cjb_ie | what's h5000? |
| 08:50.16 | Fabian2_de | it's the name of the machine.conf. (well, the type of the machine) |
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| 08:54.27 | PP|Spydon | I know I can't ask anything about gta02, but... :P |
| 08:55.01 | PP|Spydon | Will it be sold before december without the stable openmoko? :P |
| 08:55.29 | buz | no |
| 08:55.48 | buz | if in december it will be sold, likely without stable openmoko |
| 08:56.05 | PP|Spydon | ... ok :P |
| 08:56.23 | PP|Spydon | so it is imossible to get my hands on a gta02 before december :'( |
| 08:56.49 | buz | maybe if you break into openmoko office and steal one |
| 08:57.00 | roh | well.. even if it does not make a working device ;) |
| 08:57.04 | buz | other than that, i dont think you will get one |
| 08:57.23 | roh | i have a gta02v2 here.. but thats still not a done device (half the subsys have known bugs) |
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| 08:58.38 | buz | if battery live anywhere near useable now? |
| 08:58.54 | buz | on gta01 |
| 08:59.04 | roh | well.. there is no software which reensembles complete powermanagement yet.. so no |
| 08:59.45 | buz | but any data how long it might survive once suspend actually works? |
| 08:59.59 | roh | nope. |
| 09:01.43 | roh | there also a lot to play with by clocking it down and using only some subsys. |
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| 09:04.01 | buz | in my book, it must do at least 3days with light usage |
| 09:04.02 | buz | any less than that is basically useless for a phone |
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| 09:06.59 | cjb_ie | pfeh, my first mobile phone was flat by lunchtime if unplugged in the morning after being on change all night. |
| 09:07.02 | cjb_ie | *on charge |
| 09:07.10 | ScaredyCat | ... so bi-weekly is that twice a week or once every two weeks (fortnightly) ? |
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| 09:07.39 | buz | fortnightly |
| 09:07.44 | cjb_ie | ScaredyCat: think it depends on who's saying it - regardless of what the correct usage is |
| 09:07.57 | buz | twice a week would be semi weekly |
| 09:08.08 | ScaredyCat | no it wouldn't |
| 09:08.38 | ScaredyCat | if it's fortnightly then fine, I was just checking... |
| 09:08.59 | buz | every half week gives twice a week in my book |
| 09:09.14 | ScaredyCat | bi-weekly would generally mean twice a week, hence the question about what was meant... it wasn';t a critism |
| 09:09.40 | buz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biweekly WP disagrees |
| 09:09.47 | buz | Biweekly, sometimes referred to as fortnightly, is a reference to an event that occurs once every two weeks. |
| 09:09.49 | ScaredyCat | wp is often full of shit |
| 09:10.22 | ScaredyCat | you only have to have seen the news in the uk to know that |
| 09:10.28 | doc|home | semi-weekly would be almost weekly |
| 09:10.28 | buz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3Abiweekly&btnG=Search |
| 09:10.31 | ScaredyCat | (this past week) |
| 09:11.07 | cjb_ie | i'd read semi-weekly as "half as often as weekly" |
| 09:11.17 | buz | "Semiweekly: Issued twice a week. Compare Biweekly." |
| 09:11.22 | buz | http://www.usd.edu/library/instruction/glossary.shtml |
| 09:11.41 | buz | semi annually doesnt mean every two years, either |
| 09:12.28 | ScaredyCat | I've never met or heard anyone who uses those.. |
| 09:12.45 | ScaredyCat | maybe it's just another americaism |
| 09:12.52 | ScaredyCat | americanism |
| 09:12.57 | ScaredyCat | ie made up |
| 09:13.20 | cjb_ie | ScaredyCat: nah, i've heard it this side of the water too. but mostly as the subject of "so which one means which?" discussions |
| 09:13.22 | buz | semi annual is quite often heard |
| 09:13.50 | buz | (especially in context of half year financial reports) |
| 09:14.04 | ScaredyCat | I've never heard that... most normal poople would say every six months... |
| 09:14.36 | cjb_ie | "twice weekly" and "fortnightly" are nearly impossible to misinterpret, so those are what i use. |
| 09:14.55 | buz | i've yet to meet "normal" financial analysts |
| 09:15.05 | guaqua | cjb_ie: meaning twice a week? |
| 09:15.07 | ScaredyCat | none of them are normal |
| 09:15.30 | cjb_ie | guaqua: twice weekly meaning twice a week.. fortnightly meaning once a fortnight |
| 09:15.41 | guaqua | cjb_ie: i.e. once in two weeks? |
| 09:15.55 | ScaredyCat | fortnightly == once every 2 weeks |
| 09:15.57 | roh | well.. dont think about the wording too long.. i think michael and i are glad it we get that done semi-punctual :) |
| 09:15.59 | cjb_ie | a fortnight being two weeks (contraction of fourteen nights) |
| 09:16.46 | guaqua | fortnight is somewhat hard to understand for most non-native speakers as the concept of fortnight isn't in every language (english being the only language i know) |
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| 09:16.53 | ScaredyCat | although apparently bi-fortnightly would be every week |
| 09:17.10 | buz | in my book, that would be monthly |
| 09:17.16 | guaqua | :) |
| 09:17.17 | so_solid_moo | that is monthly |
| 09:17.21 | so_solid_moo | bi-weekly is fortnightly |
| 09:17.32 | buz | semi forthnightly would be weekly |
| 09:17.33 | cjb_ie | guaqua: french has quinze-jours which literally translates as 15 days but means two weeks. |
| 09:17.40 | roh | hmm.. isn't there a specialpage in mediawiki which list the highest ranking contributors? |
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| 09:17.57 | guaqua | cjb_ie: okay :) |
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| 09:18.18 | buz | the concept doesnt exist in german, but it's simple enough to wrap your head around in my book |
| 09:18.33 | buz | LOL |
| 09:18.48 | cjb_ie | buz: pfft, germans can't even agree what the days of the week are called ;-) |
| 09:18.56 | buz | wtf? |
| 09:18.57 | guaqua | finnish, swedish and german...being my 3 other languages don't have the concept of fortnight |
| 09:19.25 | ScaredyCat | hey, don't worry about it the Dutch aren't even sure if they're German or not... |
| 09:19.40 | cjb_ie | ScaredyCat: oh i think you'll find they're sure alright :) |
| 09:19.55 | buz | sure enough to punch you if you suggest they are |
| 09:19.59 | ScaredyCat | really.... "I come from German blood".... |
| 09:20.18 | cjb_ie | standard response if a german tourist asks for directions is "drei tagen geradeaus" |
| 09:21.08 | ScaredyCat | or "oi ! where's my grandad's bike" |
| 09:21.32 | ScaredyCat | seriously need to get over that... |
| 09:21.34 | cjb_ie | or where's my granny :( |
| 09:21.50 | ScaredyCat | ffs slaughter of millions and all you care about is a friggin bike |
| 09:22.01 | ScaredyCat | anyway... |
| 09:22.04 | ScaredyCat | enought of that... |
| 09:22.11 | ScaredyCat | it's saturday... |
| 09:22.45 | cjb_ie | caturday! |
| 09:22.45 | ScaredyCat | and I haven;t had breakfast |
| 09:22.46 | ScaredyCat | yaaaaay for Caturday! |
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| 09:26.21 | roh | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:27.20 | roh | *fsck* .. mediawiki hates me |
| 09:27.48 | ScaredyCat | http://www.thecheezburgerfactory.com//completestore/128340998580937500ADSLcatisconn.jpg |
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| 09:29.58 | *** topic/#openmoko by Angel_Pri -> http://st-pitch.miniville.fr/ The OpenMoko Project - http://openmoko.org - Neo1973 GTA01 on sale at https://direct.openmoko.com || Do not ask about GTA02 (December as of last update, yes, that's the one with WiFi, and no, there's no cam, GPS will be u-blox/Atmel ATR0635 ). |
| 09:30.01 | Angel_Pri | 12,4 http://st-pitch.miniville.fr/ |
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| 09:31.11 | guaqua | play |
| 09:31.22 | guaqua | okay, i mean |
| 09:31.29 | guaqua | someone should correct the topic |
| 09:31.37 | *** topic/#openmoko by J-23 -> The OpenMoko Project - http://openmoko.org - Neo1973 GTA01 on sale at https://direct.openmoko.com || Do not ask about GTA02 (December as of last update, yes, that's the one with WiFi, and no, there's no cam, GPS will be u-blox/Atmel ATR0635 ). |
| 09:32.06 | guaqua | thank you |
| 09:32.15 | LittleIdiot | kids... |
| 09:32.43 | cjb_ie | roh: no no no! it's ICanHasCaturdayBrunch! |
| 09:32.58 | roh | *sigh* |
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| 09:33.34 | ScaredyCat | the topic is fine |
| 09:33.39 | ScaredyCat | the change didn;t happen |
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| 09:34.05 | ScaredyCat | you are all in my power... |
| 09:34.14 | ScaredyCat | send all your neo to ScaredyCat |
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| 09:51.41 | dcordes | could somebody do me a favour and try to build ttf-liberation? |
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| 09:52.58 | ScaredyCat | aye |
| 09:54.50 | ScaredyCat | fine here |
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| 09:56.00 | ScaredyCat | what probs are you getting? |
| 10:01.58 | dcordes | ScaredyCat: it does not fetch |
| 10:02.16 | dcordes | ScaredyCat: http://www.pastebin.ca/raw/735099 |
| 10:04.08 | roh | hm.. why does it try https? |
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| 10:04.58 | roh | SRC_URI = "https://www.redhat.com/f/fonts/liberation-fonts-ttf-3.tar.gz" |
| 10:05.29 | ScaredyCat | someone needs a slap |
| 10:05.41 | roh | heh.. change that to http or do 'wget https://www.redhat.com/f/fonts/' on a console and accept the cert |
| 10:06.41 | ScaredyCat | there's no good reason for using https.. |
| 10:07.00 | ScaredyCat | unless the site owner is retareded and only has https setup.... |
| 10:07.07 | ScaredyCat | but that's redhat... |
| 10:07.18 | dcordes | https is http secure something? |
| 10:07.19 | ScaredyCat | so it's probably whoever made the .bb file |
| 10:07.22 | dcordes | with certs? |
| 10:07.38 | ScaredyCat | yes.. https is what you use for stuff like online transactions |
| 10:07.54 | ScaredyCat | there's no need for it when downloading fontd.. |
| 10:08.07 | ScaredyCat | -d+s |
| 10:08.14 | dcordes | and when I download that file manually with wget and accept the certificate wget does recall it when it's called to download from that url? |
| 10:08.52 | dcordes | wget does not ask for it. it suggests using --no-check-certificate |
| 10:09.03 | ScaredyCat | once you have downloaded it with wget, put it in your sources dir, then creat the .lock file (same filename+ .lock on the end) |
| 10:09.26 | dcordes | I'd rather correct the recipe and file a bug |
| 10:09.35 | ScaredyCat | then it wont try and download it again |
| 10:09.59 | ScaredyCat | the bug you fix will get overwritten unless you push the fix up |
| 10:10.18 | dcordes | NOTE: build 200710131209: completed |
| 10:10.26 | dcordes | with http instead of https in the recipe |
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| 10:10.45 | ScaredyCat | if you're using mokomakefile I'm pretty sure it'll revert on an update |
| 10:11.12 | dcordes | no I'm using normal oe setup and I'm build for akita |
| 10:11.57 | ScaredyCat | ahh ok |
| 10:11.59 | dcordes | it will ask me if I want it 'corrected' or not on update |
| 10:12.26 | dcordes | at least that's what it always did when I did a manual change to the metadata and updated it afterwards |
| 10:13.55 | dcordes | ScaredyCat: thank you very much for the advise |
| 10:14.08 | dcordes | between, are there any news on gta02 release :D ? |
| 10:14.19 | ScaredyCat | no problem... |
| 10:14.20 | ScaredyCat | hehe |
| 10:14.21 | roh | dcordes best would be if you file a bug against that package in the oe bugtracker |
| 10:14.27 | ScaredyCat | last I heard December... |
| 10:14.30 | ScaredyCat | but... |
| 10:14.49 | ScaredyCat | and also the gps chip has been decided on, which is good... |
| 10:14.50 | dcordes | roh: yes of course |
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| 10:15.31 | dcordes | ScaredyCat: I have to make some santa buy me one then |
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| 10:17.54 | cb22 | yay @ topic |
| 10:18.07 | cb22 | some more gta02 info for addicts like me :) |
| 10:19.31 | roh | hm.. i need some list of people who want to help reorganizing the wiki and are fit in all the wiki-isms |
| 10:25.53 | ScaredyCat | reorganising the wiki? what's up with it? |
| 10:26.51 | ScaredyCat | .. besides every time you move (copy paste) somehting it removes the original author/contributor |
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| 10:32.49 | cb22 | -160 rx sensitivity... any good? |
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| 10:37.16 | ScaredyCat | roh, some of that stuff is in there for the simple reason that the search function is shit |
| 10:41.20 | ScaredyCat | and errm,why did you delete the Canberra local users entry... |
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| 10:55.11 | roh | ScaredyCat well.. we want to clean it up and split out docs/specs from talk and howtos |
| 10:55.37 | roh | and also integrate automated documentation as well as to be written one |
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| 10:59.42 | roh | ScaredyCat i only deleted empty and unused pages |
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| 11:07.30 | univac | works ;] |
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| 11:21.53 | blinx | hey I want to test openmoko with an emulator |
| 11:22.17 | blinx | debian sid 64bit here, what is the easiest way to do that? |
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| 11:33.22 | Ghiottone | blinx, sid 64 bit? which arch did you install? amd64? |
| 11:34.00 | blinx | amd64, right |
| 11:34.08 | blinx | I see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Using_QEMU_with_MokoMakefile#Debian_4.0_and_Ubuntu_7.04 |
| 11:34.17 | Ghiottone | blinx, if you used 32bit I would have said to download mokomakefile and run make qemu |
| 11:34.56 | blinx | :) |
| 11:35.00 | Ghiottone | blinx, but I think you may have to change the ARCH in build/conf/local.conf to i686 or something like that |
| 11:35.01 | blinx | I will try it anyway |
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| 11:37.17 | blinx | no news concerning the release date of the neo? |
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| 11:41.11 | cb22 | blinx, nope but atleast we know what gps chipset we have |
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| 11:42.12 | mjr | speaking of said gps chip, wonder if RMS will endorse GTA-02 now, as in the previous communication the gllin stuff was (unsurprisingly) the biggest hurdle with that |
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| 11:45.29 | roh | well.. i think 'antares4' is what helps people... ATR0635 doesnt help anybody ;) |
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| 11:48.32 | Ghiottone | roh, I assume there aren't any news on GPS status for GTA01, aren't they? |
| 11:48.43 | roh | not yet. |
| 11:50.08 | roh | but mickey is back from portugal ;) |
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| 11:52.11 | Ghiottone | roh, :) |
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| 12:13.39 | roh | have you seen http://sourceforge.net/projects/osgps/ before? |
| 12:15.10 | ScaredyCat | is that the one that's supposed to be able to read navtec/garmin maps but they don;t tell you how to do |
| 12:15.36 | roh | nope.. thats a soft-gps solution as far as i could tell |
| 12:16.00 | blinx | roh: is it possible to measure some distances with the actual moko? |
| 12:16.58 | ScaredyCat | roh: errm no it's not a 'soft' gps |
| 12:17.21 | blinx | I mean something like this: hit a button -> start point ... go to your destination and hit the button again -> it shows the air line or the walked way between the points... |
| 12:17.43 | ScaredyCat | http://home.earthlink.net/~cwkelley/ |
| 12:20.01 | roh | ScaredyCat well.. not that soft as the gl, but seemingly much more low-level than parsing completely correlated nmea |
| 12:20.42 | ScaredyCat | oh, yeah.. the guy claims not to know much about gps, but looks like he knows a hell of a lot to me |
| 12:21.05 | kristian-m | blinx that could be implemented easily - but you'd have to use a bluetooth-gps-receiver |
| 12:24.08 | blinx | kristian-m: why? |
| 12:24.17 | blinx | kristian-m: other apps can use gps, too |
| 12:24.30 | blinx | why I would need a bluetooth receiver? |
| 12:24.34 | blinx | +gps |
| 12:25.00 | Ghiottone | blinx, because GTA01 needs a closed source driver for its GPS and this driver cannot be distributed atm |
| 12:25.05 | Ghiottone | hey kristian-m |
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| 12:28.26 | kristian-m | hey Ghiottone :) |
| 12:29.21 | kristian-m | blinx yea but thats with some biary driver that can't be distributed with openmoko |
| 12:29.44 | kristian-m | Ghiottone ah, eh right |
| 12:29.47 | roh | Ghiottone well.. the problem is not distribution anymore, its just not working on eabi (eabi build broken) |
| 12:30.50 | abraxa__ | roh: Problem is not distribution anymore... does that mean it can be distributed now? |
| 12:32.06 | roh | abraxa_ if delivered with the right licence text... i'll see what i can find out. |
| 12:32.15 | Ghiottone | roh, is it too much to ask them to recompile it for the eabi |
| 12:32.27 | abraxa_ | roh: Awesome! =) |
| 12:32.39 | roh | Ghiottone well.. they did and the binary is not working |
| 12:32.56 | kristian-m | roh that's strange |
| 12:33.00 | KenSentMe | Hi, is umts/3g support expected for the neo1973 ? |
| 12:33.21 | kristian-m | KenSentMe not in the near future, no |
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| 12:35.02 | KenSentMe | kristian-m, hmm, that's sad. I'm following the Openmoko project for a while and am very interested in buying the neo1973 when my current phone stops running, but i can't miss umts anymore |
| 12:35.33 | KenSentMe | kristian-m, is it hard to implement, or is there some other reason for this? |
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| 12:36.25 | abraxa_ | KenSentMe: It would require totally different GSM hardware - with as open specs as possible |
| 12:36.52 | Ghiottone | roh, pity. is there a way to help on that? and does it mean that we could have an abi executable? |
| 12:36.52 | KenSentMe | abraxa_, and that isn't available yet? |
| 12:37.27 | abraxa_ | KenSentMe: It's more a matter of "do we really want to redesign this crucial part of the hardware when we are already way behind schedule?" |
| 12:37.49 | roh | Ghiottone i'll try to push that forward. |
| 12:38.16 | Ghiottone | roh, thanks! |
| 12:38.18 | KenSentMe | abraxa_, i understand. But it's a technology that will only be used more and more in the future. It could be that umts support is planned in a future release of the neo |
| 12:39.19 | abraxa_ | KenSentMe: roh would be the one to give a more definite answer on that but I am 100% positive that OpenMoko, Inc. can't miss out on that market in the long run - so UMTS/3G versions will follow eventually |
| 12:39.31 | blinx | kristian-m: why is there the gps chip implemented with only binary drivers???? |
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| 12:40.18 | roh | well.. 3G will get used as soon as there is a spin which makes it possible. which means: no there is no hardware design put together, but its clearly on the 'want to have in new devices'-list |
| 12:40.29 | abraxa_ | blinx: Because the Hammerhead (in GTA01) is a mere receiver and does very little in hardware - the real work is done in software. You can imagine the company doesn't want that knowledge open to competitors |
| 12:40.55 | KenSentMe | roh, thanks for the clarification |
| 12:40.56 | roh | just not not gta01 and gta02. 3g also means zillions of licence-daemons more and the added cost through this |
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| 12:41.24 | blinx | abraxa_: hrm |
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| 12:41.36 | roh | meaning even if someone could build the hardware for the same price as with 2g, 3g costs quite a bit only in royalties per device |
| 12:41.38 | blinx | abraxa_: how the other gps based apps handle that? |
| 12:41.43 | hhf423 | moin |
| 12:42.18 | Ghiottone | hola hhf423 |
| 12:42.34 | hhf423 | hi Ghiottone |
| 12:43.06 | abraxa_ | blinx: "other GPS apps"? I would assume other GPS-aware applications just handle NMEA data - not raw data coming from a proprietary GPS chip. Note that GTA02 has a different chip now which (afaik) does everything in hardware, so no driver should be needed |
| 12:43.24 | roh | abraxa_ libgpsd, not raw nmea |
| 12:43.41 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, are there some packages that still needs to be done? I have stopped working on the NEO for one whole week cause of my new laptop |
| 12:43.53 | abraxa_ | roh: Still better than HH, yes? |
| 12:44.19 | roh | abraxa_ meaning: for the app its totally uninterresting which hardware its on. its only talking to gpsd (which gets fed nmea or ubx from serial or nmea from socket) |
| 12:44.24 | kristian-m | KenSentMe Ghiottone if you've got time it'd be nice to have a package of the currnet pyPenNotes |
| 12:44.57 | abraxa_ | roh: Well yeah, was just wanting to clarify that the HH needs a binary driver because of its hardware design |
| 12:45.24 | roh | abraxa_ it does not need to be binary because of the design, but because of the businesscase |
| 12:45.26 | roh | ;) |
| 12:45.27 | T32 | hello, anybody working her on the qemu emulator ? |
| 12:45.36 | T32 | s/her/here |
| 12:45.47 | abraxa_ | roh: Oh? Hmm... interesting. |
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| 12:51.37 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, version 3b? |
| 12:53.17 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, mmm what did you say you wanted as icon? |
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| 12:58.18 | kristian-m | Ghiottone gtk-directory |
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| 13:04.43 | hhf423 | hmm, the top menu still does only show up on every second boot of the neo |
| 13:06.12 | KenSentMe | Are there any other phones with 3g that will run openmoko when it's stable? |
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| 13:06.43 | hhf423 | KenSentMe: when its stable there will be loads of phones |
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| 13:06.55 | hhf423 | when its stable |
| 13:08.44 | KenSentMe | Is gta02 considered stable? |
| 13:09.09 | hhf423 | gta02 is hardware, not openmoko which is software |
| 13:09.50 | KenSentMe | yeah, but the gta02 is released in december for mass market and runs openmoko. So is the software used in that release considered stable? |
| 13:09.50 | guaqua | well, is gta02 considered stable hardware? |
| 13:10.17 | hhf423 | gta02 is stable hardware. gta01 is also stable hardware |
| 13:10.27 | guaqua | okay, good |
| 13:10.46 | hhf423 | I doubt that there will be stable software in december, but it is not impossible |
| 13:12.19 | hhf423 | in any case, I expect to have gta02 in my hands early january. maybe some lucky bastards will have it in late december (like if you are one of the first 100 orders and live next door to from where they ship :-) |
| 13:12.27 | abraxa_ | KenSentMe: "gta02 is released in december for mass market" - says who? |
| 13:13.11 | hhf423 | abraxa_: that has been said by a number of people in the past months |
| 13:13.32 | KenSentMe | abraxa_, says here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 |
| 13:13.33 | abraxa_ | "past months" |
| 13:14.27 | buz | said by mickey on sept 20th |
| 13:14.44 | buz | qualified with something like "i hope" |
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| 13:18.34 | hhf423 | is there still hope that GPS will be made to work in gta01? |
| 13:19.22 | mickeyl | of course |
| 13:19.35 | hhf423 | great |
| 13:19.37 | Ghiottone | hey mickeyl |
| 13:19.40 | Ghiottone | wb |
| 13:20.56 | hhf423 | mickeyl: can you maybe expand on the basis for your hope? |
| 13:20.56 | mickeyl | hey |
| 13:21.02 | mickeyl | well |
| 13:21.12 | mickeyl | a) there's the oabi-gllin which works |
| 13:21.52 | mickeyl | b) there's the eabi-gllin which doesn't work |
| 13:21.52 | mickeyl | we may just distribute oabi-gllin with a chroot or other hacks |
| 13:21.52 | mickeyl | or find a way to make eabi-gllin work |
| 13:22.02 | mickeyl | there will be a way to make it work, it's just a question of how ugly and when |
| 13:22.57 | hhf423 | I see |
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| 13:25.51 | kristian-m | mickeyl thats great news |
| 13:26.07 | mickeyl | is it? |
| 13:26.09 | hhf423 | is there any news on gsmd development? now that I have a new eplus sim card wich works in my neo I be me more interested to use it as a phone than before :-) |
| 13:26.23 | mickeyl | i'm surprised that you think we abandoned that topic. |
| 13:26.43 | mickeyl | we are committed to get the phone to work as advertised |
| 13:26.45 | hhf423 | with all the focus on gta02 |
| 13:27.07 | mickeyl | well |
| 13:27.20 | mickeyl | you have to stay in business to earn money for the software team |
| 13:27.21 | mickeyl | heh |
| 13:27.36 | mickeyl | so we can fix the issues for all models |
| 13:28.55 | hhf423 | I do not get that. who has to stay in which business? |
| 13:29.05 | mickeyl | the guys who pay my salary |
| 13:29.47 | mickeyl | and gta02 might be the first device which actually brings a bit of money for FIC |
| 13:29.51 | hhf423 | which is FIC, no? Or OpenMoko, a 100% daugther of FIC |
| 13:31.35 | hhf423 | if FIC does not have the breath to invest for three to five years then they should probably stay out of this. But it was my impression that they have. |
| 13:32.00 | hhf423 | and gta01 was not sold at a loss, was it? just not big profit, right? |
| 13:33.49 | mickeyl | i don't know the numbers. i just know that every company works in parallel on future models. it is not a serial process. the focus of the hardware people is on gta02, yes, of course, gta01 is done. it's not the focus of the software people. |
| 13:34.07 | mickeyl | [as far as I and the colleagues i know about are concerned] |
| 13:34.14 | mickeyl | i know not everything what happens in .tw |
| 13:34.59 | mickeyl | although i expect to be updated in exactly one week :) |
| 13:35.18 | woglinde | *g* |
| 13:35.20 | hhf423 | so, about software, any news on gsmd development? |
| 13:35.41 | mickeyl | not from me. i'm still catching up from vacation |
| 13:36.02 | mickeyl | as far as i can see there are patches going in |
| 13:36.04 | roh | hhf423 the gsm modem stays the same for gta02. so it needs to work nonetheless. there will be work happening |
| 13:36.09 | mickeyl | incremental improvements |
| 13:36.21 | mickeyl | but not yet the revamp which I suppose |
| 13:36.32 | hhf423 | when do you think we might see that? next week? |
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| 13:36.46 | hhf423 | (the patches, not the revamp) |
| 13:36.54 | mickeyl | there are constantly patches going in |
| 13:36.59 | mickeyl | read the commit list |
| 13:37.03 | mickeyl | see OE |
| 13:37.05 | mickeyl | etc. |
| 13:37.18 | roh | well.. sofa for me.. bbl |
| 13:37.21 | hhf423 | nah, there was nothing happening last week |
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| 13:40.30 | hhf423 | where do you see anything about gsmd or related? |
| 13:41.03 | hhf423 | oh, 762 was closed. great |
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| 13:42.25 | Kero | NOTE: fetch https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/fontconfig/device_symbols.h |
| 13:42.28 | Kero | ERROR: Certificate verification error for stage.maemo.org: unable to get local issuer certificate |
| 13:42.31 | Kero | To connect to stage.maemo.org insecurely, use `--no-check-certificate'. |
| 13:42.54 | Kero | (when running mokomakefile / make openmoko-devel-image) |
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| 13:58.38 | mickeyl | urghs |
| 13:58.44 | mickeyl | *sigh* |
| 13:59.00 | mickeyl | it's been cooling down for 60 minutes now |
| 13:59.57 | guaqua | separate water heater for the win :) |
| 14:00.17 | cb22 | put the cup on a neo, take out the battery, and plug it into the usb port |
| 14:00.19 | mickeyl | or an alarm clock... |
| 14:03.46 | Dheath | i have tried to run open moko on qemu but it is unbelievably slow. is this a problem with the emulation or the is it just so slow? |
| 14:04.24 | woglinde | both |
| 14:04.47 | robtaylor | mickeyl: hey how goes? |
| 14:05.24 | cjb_ie | Dheath: what kind of hardware you running it on? |
| 14:05.39 | Dheath | normal pc (x86) |
| 14:05.46 | Dheath | need more info? |
| 14:05.53 | cjb_ie | like, how fast |
| 14:06.08 | Dheath | more than 5 minutes to start |
| 14:06.12 | robtaylor | mickeyl: so, there's some very cool plans for hal - basically hald will be going away, replaced with some file/db that has all teh device info |
| 14:06.19 | cjb_ie | Dheath: no, how fast is the PC |
| 14:06.23 | Dheath | push a button wait 30 sec |
| 14:06.33 | woglinde | dheath hm |
| 14:06.38 | Dheath | ... |
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| 14:06.51 | ifoox | hello |
| 14:07.00 | Dheath | damn i have to check the exact number but it definiteli isnt that slow |
| 14:07.02 | ifoox | does anyone have a link to a working gsmhandset.state file? |
| 14:07.14 | robtaylor | mickeyl: udev will grow some rules additions so particular system activatable daemons can be started for particular devices |
| 14:07.35 | robtaylor | mickeyl: still not quite figured what happens with fdi's though ;) |
| 14:09.39 | mickeyl | robster: hey rob. so so. the stresslessness i got from two weeks in portugal were eaten up pretty instantaneously due to OEDEM and my forthcoming Taipei journey... |
| 14:09.47 | mickeyl | robster: (udev) interesting. |
| 14:10.06 | hhf423 | OEDEM was stress? |
| 14:10.37 | mickeyl | for me yes. arrived in FRA 02:00, took the ICE to Berlin @ 06:00. had to moderate two days long, etc. |
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| 14:11.27 | hhf423 | ah, right. thats too little sleep probably. I had to survive the week on 3-5h sleep/night and that was also a bit too little. |
| 14:11.32 | pH5 | robtaylor: do you have a link? |
| 14:11.35 | mickeyl | *nod* |
| 14:11.52 | guaqua | traveling like that takes a huge toll |
| 14:11.58 | hhf423 | its amazing though, how refreshed I was after 5h sleep when I had only 4 and 3 the nights before |
| 14:12.15 | mickeyl | heh, yeah, it's all relative, but usually i need 8h |
| 14:12.21 | hhf423 | same here |
| 14:12.32 | robtaylor | mickeyl: yeah, thats always the problem with holidays - you need to come back ;) |
| 14:12.55 | robtaylor | pH5: Nope, this was just what we discussed at the gnome boston summit |
| 14:13.20 | mickeyl | robster: i'm seriously thinking about taking 6 months off |
| 14:13.24 | mickeyl | the question is when |
| 14:13.42 | robtaylor | mickeyl: (hey, get the right rob ;)) |
| 14:13.46 | mickeyl | oops |
| 14:13.48 | mickeyl | sorry ;) |
| 14:14.06 | pH5 | robtaylor: ok, cool. looking forward to more info about that :) |
| 14:14.24 | robtaylor | mickeyl: yeah, there's nothing like a good long break.. Lets hope you get some time after GTA02 release :) |
| 14:14.28 | hhf423 | mickeyl: you can 6 months off when openmoko is stable :-) |
| 14:14.58 | mickeyl | hhf423: heh |
| 14:15.01 | mickeyl | hhf423: slave driver |
| 14:15.09 | mickeyl | want me bound for the next 2 years? :D |
| 14:15.36 | mickeyl | robtaylor: probably not. but i'll aim for Q1 and Q2 2009 |
| 14:15.55 | hhf423 | that sounds reasonable |
| 14:16.50 | mickeyl | with a small tour through ireland and scotland |
| 14:17.12 | mickeyl | hopefully doing some gigs in clubs |
| 14:17.17 | ifoox | so is there a working alsa .state file? I couldn't fine anything on the wiki that actually worked without feedback for me |
| 14:17.32 | mickeyl | ifoox: query alphaone when he's awaken. he should have one iirc |
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| 14:18.17 | ifoox | mickeyl: thanks! |
| 14:19.30 | abraxa_ | mickeyl: Would you mind granting me commit access to the artwork dir so I can fix/update things there, too? |
| 14:20.24 | Dheath | cjb_ie: 2.00 GHz |
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| 14:21.58 | mickeyl | abraxa_: granted. please try again |
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| 14:22.16 | abraxa_ | mickeyl: Thanks :) |
| 14:22.20 | mickeyl | np |
| 14:22.28 | mickeyl | yay. all my paperwork done for today |
| 14:22.37 | mickeyl | sofa-time with the new c't now |
| 14:22.41 | mickeyl | cu |
| 14:24.49 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03abraxa * r3156 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/icons/openmoko-standard/ (12 files in 3 dirs): Swap gtk-media-play-*.png's LTR and RTL versions |
| 14:24.55 | abraxa_ | Worked :) |
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| 14:25.24 | cb22 | so, when can we expect compiz-fusion on the neo ^-^ |
| 14:27.09 | abraxa_ | cb22: Does it speak OpenGL ES? |
| 14:27.27 | cb22 | i wish |
| 14:27.39 | cb22 | although how dissimilar are the two? |
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| 14:29.02 | cb22 | infact, i dont really care about most things... |
| 14:29.05 | cb22 | i just want the cube |
| 14:29.11 | cb22 | powered by acceleromters |
| 14:29.22 | cb22 | so when i put the phone landscape, it goes into cube mode |
| 14:29.30 | cb22 | and then tilt shaking the phone moves the cube |
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| 14:33.08 | abraxa_ | I'm sure it'll be done as soon as the glamo driver(s) are ready |
| 14:34.35 | Vegar | cb22: you know, the neo is a portable device with limited power supply |
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| 14:40.33 | daltona | LaF0rge, do you have a few minutes ? |
| 14:41.19 | abraxa_ | Vegar: Yes but showing off what the Neo can do is always a good thing ;) |
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| 14:45.02 | Vegar | hehe |
| 14:45.04 | Shoragan | daltona, just ask your question |
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| 14:47.50 | daltona | I just wanted to ask when the patch for turning off the Audio amp on suspend and shut down would be added in the kernel |
| 14:48.53 | daltona | and I also created a patch for returning negative current measurements in order to get the current drawn by the moko when discharging. |
| 14:49.27 | daltona | It's been a long time that they've been in bugzilla but seemed to be forgotten |
| 14:49.33 | mwester | It would be nice if the patch for avoiding kernel lockups due to flow-control issues with GSM would find its way into the kernel... |
| 14:49.36 | SpeedEvil | pH5: because you haven't written the code. |
| 14:49.52 | SpeedEvil | pH5: it's unfortuantely generically not that simple. |
| 14:50.12 | SpeedEvil | pH5: consider that the CPU can in fact be asleep and still have the GSM modem outputing to the amp. |
| 14:50.15 | mwester | I've been using a kernel with the flow-control bug fixed, and the audio amp power-off fix for quite some time, no problems. |
| 14:50.21 | SpeedEvil | Routed through the WM chip |
| 14:50.35 | pH5 | SpeedEvil: why, the whole asoc infrastructure is based around the principle of turning off whatever is not needed. |
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| 14:51.20 | Shoragan | daltona, mwester, laforge is currently updating the patch queue, he will probably look at your patches then |
| 14:51.22 | daltona | mwester, I also used my amp disabling patch, but when I upgrade the kernel, I have to re-patch it each time I think it is time to include it |
| 14:51.33 | daltona | Shoragan, ok thanks |
| 14:52.00 | Shoragan | do you have the relevant bug ids handy? |
| 14:52.01 | SpeedEvil | pH5: yes - but determining which is needed the right way involves getting quite complex. |
| 14:52.20 | SpeedEvil | pH5: It's more than 'if sound isn't playing from /dev/dsp, turn the amp off'. |
| 14:52.29 | SpeedEvil | pH5: that's a starting point of course. |
| 14:52.55 | daltona | Shoragan, let me search |
| 14:53.17 | mwester | http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=788 <==== gsmd patch |
| 14:53.31 | mwester | http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=930 <===== kexec patch |
| 14:54.47 | daltona | for negative current repport : #193, and Amp switch off: #781 |
| 14:55.24 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, nice work with pyPenNotes |
| 14:56.15 | rwhitby | morning |
| 14:57.45 | mwester | daltona: very useful fix, that one -- I'll be adding that to my kernel. Thanks! |
| 14:57.48 | kristian-m | Ghiottone thanks - well there are still some bugs with background color on restore - and loading the strokes file takes way to long - but it really can be used now :-) |
| 14:58.40 | daltona | mwester, yeah, it would allow to do some calculus for getting remaining battery life actually |
| 14:59.24 | daltona | the measurements does not allways seems accurate though, but doing a kind of average seems ok |
| 15:00.00 | SpeedEvil | Is this an ADC oversampling patch for battery current? |
| 15:00.25 | daltona | SpeedEvil, no it's not |
| 15:00.41 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. I need to get a build environment up and running so I can test my kernel patches. |
| 15:00.49 | daltona | SpeedEvil, it just allows to repport negative currents when battery is not charging |
| 15:00.54 | der_papst_623 | can i compile games like supertux for openmoko? |
| 15:01.20 | SpeedEvil | daltona: the hardware can measure discharge current? |
| 15:01.27 | daltona | SpeedEvil, yes |
| 15:01.40 | SpeedEvil | It was just software that was screwing it? |
| 15:01.42 | SpeedEvil | Nice. |
| 15:02.12 | daltona | SpeedEvil, voltage is measured at the two sides of a resistor so if v1>v2 we are charging and if v2 >v1 we are discharging |
| 15:02.33 | SpeedEvil | If the resistor is connected in the correct place |
| 15:02.48 | daltona | SpeedEvil, yes, unsigned integers were used, making the negative values to be screwed |
| 15:03.05 | SpeedEvil | I thought the battery tap for the main system was isolated from the battery charging circuit, so didn't bother checking |
| 15:03.15 | SpeedEvil | Was just assuming it was noise. |
| 15:03.18 | daltona | SpeedEvil, I think so, but I did not checked the schematics as I don't have them |
| 15:03.23 | SpeedEvil | Do you get sane discharge numbers? |
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| 15:03.58 | SpeedEvil | I hopefully should have a build environment up in the next couple of days, so I can test my battery life patch. |
| 15:04.00 | daltona | SpeedEvil, yes but as you said some kind of oversampling + averaging in the kernel would be a good feature to implement |
| 15:04.16 | daltona | SpeedEvil, what have you implemented ? |
| 15:04.20 | SpeedEvil | (dramatically improve battery life prediction, including battery aging. |
| 15:04.54 | daltona | SpeedEvil, by sampling voltage more frequently ? |
| 15:05.14 | SpeedEvil | No. By using a much, much better battery model. |
| 15:05.35 | daltona | SpeedEvil, cool, I'd like to see it ! |
| 15:05.54 | SpeedEvil | The existing one is a joke - it thinks that it's linear from 4.2V to 2.8V when in fact 3.5V or so is 10% |
| 15:06.21 | SpeedEvil | Discharge current should also help with that too. |
| 15:06.33 | daltona | SpeedEvil, yes I guess |
| 15:06.49 | SpeedEvil | We need someone with 02 hardware to test the batcur reading to see if it's so horribly noisy |
| 15:06.53 | daltona | SpeedEvil, and you've implemented that in the kernel then ? |
| 15:06.58 | SpeedEvil | daltona: yes |
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| 15:07.19 | daltona | SpeedEvil, in apm driver ? |
| 15:07.31 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 15:08.19 | SpeedEvil | It's not out there. :) |
| 15:08.41 | SpeedEvil | It's currently on a drive that's disconnected while I move data around prior to getting a build system up |
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| 15:11.57 | moprilo | if the iphone is BSD powered, couldn't i just hack into Shell, and programm the stuff i wantt_ |
| 15:12.18 | der_papst_623 | can i compile games like supertux for openmoko? |
| 15:12.38 | abraxa_ | der_papst_623: Supertux has already been showing running, so yes |
| 15:13.24 | der_papst_623 | good |
| 15:13.48 | der_papst_623 | oh yes, is there something like a joystick for openmoko? |
| 15:13.49 | moprilo | i'm just asking cause i need the geo with wifi, cause my cellphone died, and i can't wait to december |
| 15:13.51 | Vegar | der_papst_623: the only problem is that you don't have any keys |
| 15:14.05 | der_papst_623 | i can't imagine, playing supertux with a touchsscreen |
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| 15:14.39 | der_papst_623 | Vegar: ok, thats an answer... |
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| 15:15.09 | Vegar | der_papst_623: you could, of course, use a bluetooth keyboard or joystick or whatever |
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| 15:15.23 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, the new package should be online |
| 15:15.27 | SpeedEvil | Vegar: steering wheel! |
| 15:15.33 | SpeedEvil | Oooh! |
| 15:15.38 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, I like the green a lot :P |
| 15:15.41 | SpeedEvil | You put it on a steering wheel holder. |
| 15:15.52 | SpeedEvil | And use the accelerometers to pickup direction. |
| 15:16.08 | SpeedEvil | (do not drive while playing) |
| 15:16.09 | Vegar | or you can use the GPS to detect movement |
| 15:16.18 | der_papst_623 | i meand a joystick to plug in... |
| 15:16.48 | der_papst_623 | it would be funny to build a small joystick for it |
| 15:17.01 | Vegar | you could probably connect it to the USB port |
| 15:17.13 | Vegar | (02 has powered USB, doesn't it?) |
| 15:17.15 | kristian-m | Ghiottone yeah green is really bright - try blue on red it looks like 3d somehow... |
| 15:18.05 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, yeah right :) |
| 15:18.13 | der_papst_623 | i'm on my way to a electronic engineer, but i've never written a driver... |
| 15:18.22 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, you get x,y coords for each touch? |
| 15:18.47 | kristian-m | Ghiottone when ever the gdk component gives me an event, yeah |
| 15:18.48 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, is there a way to know how wide the touch is (ie if I use my finger tip or the whole finger) |
| 15:19.19 | kristian-m | Ghiottone not directly - you could however find out if a second finger touches the screen |
| 15:20.02 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, at the same time? I tought the screen wasn't multi touch |
| 15:20.02 | kristian-m | Ghiottone you could detect a jump in the x,y coords while the pen is still in pressed state |
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| 15:20.11 | kristian-m | Ghiottone its not |
| 15:20.12 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, ah I see |
| 15:20.19 | kristian-m | Ghiottone try two pens |
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| 15:20.33 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, it could be perhaps used to guess the size of the brush |
| 15:20.34 | kristian-m | Ghiottone the coord will be exactly between them |
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| 15:21.26 | kristian-m | Ghiottone hmm, that would be hard - the touches would have to happen in the right order |
| 15:21.29 | der_papst_623 | can i use kde on openmoko? |
| 15:21.30 | der_papst_623 | or is it not fast enough for it? |
| 15:21.49 | guaqua | it's probably doable |
| 15:22.10 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, or maybe guessing the greatest distance |
| 15:22.26 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, between all the points touched |
| 15:22.38 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, until pen is pressd |
| 15:22.41 | kristian-m | Ghiottone well i can only detect jumps if they are really of great distance |
| 15:23.02 | kristian-m | Ghiottone otherwhise it'll look as if the pen was moved |
| 15:23.39 | cb22 | Vegar, ... so :) |
| 15:23.40 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, yeah I see now. not really doable |
| 15:24.08 | cb22 | if i have 20 minutes of battery life, but can show compiz running on my phone to my friends, ill be happy |
| 15:24.44 | pH5 | cb22: bling addicts :) |
| 15:24.55 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, could you confirm pyPenNotes package is working? |
| 15:25.05 | kristian-m | Ghiottone the only thing i could imagine would be to use 2 pens, keep one where it is and then measure the action ot the other - you could use it to zoom - but would have to be sure about the jump as those happen in nomal operation too when the device is busy |
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| 15:25.11 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, the icon is at the end of the list as it start with a lowercase letter |
| 15:26.12 | abraxa_ | cb22: Not to mention having it interact with the accelerometers ;) |
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| 15:28.24 | kristian-m | ScaredyCat super e? €? |
| 15:30.34 | kristian-m | Ghiottone okay, it's working thanks |
| 15:30.36 | ScaredyCat | super e in compiz-fusion |
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| 15:31.30 | kristian-m | ScaredyCat ahh :-) |
| 15:32.24 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, great! thanks to you |
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| 15:41.06 | Sup3rkiddo | is information regarding gps on the wiki up to date? |
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| 15:41.35 | abraxa_ | Sup3rkiddo: Probably not, as the decision apparently happened less than 24 hours ago |
| 15:42.28 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, hmm, thats why i asked, i mean, i am looking forward to create some python bindings for it..looks like i have to wait a bit longer |
| 15:43.07 | abraxa_ | Sup3rkiddo: Why? You'd want to create bindings for gpsd anyway |
| 15:43.26 | daltona | abraxa_, what is the decision taken ? |
| 15:43.34 | abraxa_ | daltona: See topic ;) |
| 15:43.44 | daltona | ok :( shame on me... |
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| 15:44.00 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, sorry, thats what i meant, |
| 15:44.13 | abraxa_ | Sup3rkiddo ;) |
| 15:44.16 | cb22_ | Sup3rkiddo, ooh, python gps bindings! |
| 15:44.24 | daltona | still nothing about GTA01 GPS availability ? |
| 15:44.30 | abraxa_ | And well, gpsd is not OM-specific so you can already start |
| 15:44.30 | cb22_ | Sup3rkiddo, missed the ballmer curve? |
| 15:44.42 | Sup3rkiddo | heh |
| 15:45.59 | Sup3rkiddo | man, 1 1/2 bottles of beer and i am a bit clunky..stupid indian beer |
| 15:47.03 | ScaredyCat | those bottles of iadian beer are 1liter aren;t they? |
| 15:47.18 | ScaredyCat | indian |
| 15:47.22 | Sup3rkiddo | ScaredyCat, 650 ml.. |
| 15:47.36 | ScaredyCat | ahh.. you must be a pussy then ;) |
| 15:47.48 | Sup3rkiddo | lol, yeah...and that too i had lager |
| 15:51.01 | cb22_ | my 4gb microsd and my bt keyboard just arrived yesterday |
| 15:51.12 | cb22_ | now all that is missing is the phone :( |
| 15:51.16 | Sup3rkiddo | can anyone confirm if they are python bindings for gpsd, wouldnt want to reinvent a wheel |
| 15:51.39 | cb22_ | http://www.perrygeo.net/wordpress/?p=13 |
| 15:52.02 | cb22_ | looks like there are |
| 15:52.31 | cb22_ | they look pretty cool too |
| 15:52.34 | cb22_ | import gps |
| 15:52.40 | cb22_ | session = gps.gps() |
| 15:52.53 | cb22_ | print session.fix.latitude |
| 15:54.13 | Sup3rkiddo | oh dang, no i am without work.. |
| 15:54.23 | Sup3rkiddo | s/no/now |
| 15:55.21 | ScaredyCat | probably a good job if you're drunk |
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| 16:04.15 | PBeck | hi |
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| 16:15.46 | cb22_ | lo Maledictus |
| 16:25.54 | Maledictus | hey cb22_ |
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| 16:26.08 | Maledictus | I read the gps news. |
| 16:26.14 | cb22_ | nice hey |
| 16:26.31 | cb22_ | it will speak standard nmea |
| 16:26.41 | Vegar | pretty cool |
| 16:26.47 | Maledictus | I'm so glad to hear that :D |
| 16:27.09 | cb22_ | any news on the freebsd front? |
| 16:27.12 | Vegar | I guess the hardware is getting stable then |
| 16:27.18 | cb22_ | i'm busy csupping current |
| 16:27.22 | Maledictus | no, sorry. |
| 16:27.35 | Maledictus | hey you can use the new RELENG_7 branch |
| 16:28.02 | cb22_ | any reason why the kernel config is so minimal? |
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| 16:28.17 | cb22_ | like thinks like ohci, etc are disabled? do they break it? |
| 16:29.23 | Maledictus | It really isn't interesting what is in the kernel right now, we are not to the point where that will be. |
| 16:29.50 | cb22_ | ah right |
| 16:29.56 | cb22_ | does the serial console bit work yet? |
| 16:29.58 | rwhitby | anyone got a link to the new GPS chip info? |
| 16:30.12 | cb22_ | rwhitby, http://www.u-blox.com/products/atr0635.html |
| 16:30.16 | Maledictus | rwhitby: I just googled for ATR0635 |
| 16:30.26 | Vegar | rwhitby: info on the chip or the news? |
| 16:30.49 | Vegar | wait.. |
| 16:30.59 | cb22_ | in a nutshell: speaks nmea, -160dbm rx, WAAS (+europe version, +asia version), DGPS, |
| 16:31.07 | Vegar | galileo ready? |
| 16:31.14 | SpeedEvil | CEO of ARM on radio 4 being interviewed now |
| 16:31.22 | Vegar | is it galileo ready?! |
| 16:31.48 | AntonTakk | galileo? |
| 16:32.05 | rwhitby | cb22_: i added the info to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS |
| 16:32.12 | cb22_ | cool |
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| 16:33.12 | Maledictus | I'm trying to figure out what to add to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_Openness |
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| 16:33.27 | Mammux72 | Now I've got my neo working with GSM manually, except for the microphone. I've tried gsmheadset.state and gsmhandset.state, but to no avail. |
| 16:33.42 | matthew_ | shew, successfully got out of helio contract |
| 16:33.57 | cb22_ | Maledictus, the GPS info? |
| 16:34.26 | SpeedEvil | So it's been confirmed officially that the HH won't be in GTA02? |
| 16:34.33 | cb22_ | yep |
| 16:34.39 | Maledictus | A link to documentation |
| 16:34.42 | SpeedEvil | Damn. |
| 16:35.09 | Maledictus | SpeedEvil: why damn? |
| 16:35.17 | cb22_ | We're very happy with the u-blox/Atmel ATR0635 GPS Receiver, and thus |
| 16:35.17 | cb22_ | have made the decision to use this chip. |
| 16:35.40 | rwhitby | so the gps chip should be able to keep operating with the main cpu off |
| 16:35.40 | Maledictus | cb22_: wheres that from? |
| 16:35.42 | SpeedEvil | Because the HH is potentially much more flexible than a device that simply speaks NMEA. |
| 16:35.52 | cb22_ | Maledictus, the mailing list |
| 16:36.02 | Henryk | Maledictus: "Bi-weekly OpenMoko community update" on the community list |
| 16:36.09 | Maledictus | SpeedEvil: but it's closed and I'm happy that the focus is on open ;) |
| 16:36.29 | SpeedEvil | It's closed at the moment. |
| 16:36.35 | Maledictus | time to subscribe there, only have kernel right now |
| 16:36.55 | SpeedEvil | Up until the point where it was announced that the HH may not be in GTA02 there was good progress going on reverse engineerign. |
| 16:37.13 | SpeedEvil | To the extent that we may have had a driver in December - a fully opensource one. |
| 16:37.19 | Maledictus | oh, how wonderful. I hate re |
| 16:37.28 | rwhitby | the GPS protocols are documented in http://www.u-blox.com/customersupport/gps.g3/ANTARIS_Protocol_Specification(GPS.G3-X-03002).chm |
| 16:37.34 | SpeedEvil | The issue for me is the eventual capabilities. |
| 16:37.45 | Maledictus | rwhitby: thank you :) |
| 16:38.00 | cb22_ | SpeedEvil, out of interest, what would the hammerhead be able to do that a nmea only chip cant? |
| 16:38.03 | SpeedEvil | The raw nature of the HH chip means that you can do lots of smarts in software. Improving accuracy. |
| 16:38.12 | Maledictus | hmm. is there another format than .chm? |
| 16:38.16 | rwhitby | no |
| 16:38.29 | Maledictus | ok |
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| 16:39.15 | rwhitby | let me see if I can get it into PDF and attach it to the GPS page |
| 16:39.18 | SpeedEvil | cb22_: several things. Wake up for 1s every 3 min (on timer) get fix, go to sleep. Post-correct tracks that have been downloaded for sub-meter accuracy. |
| 16:39.45 | SpeedEvil | cb22_: download realtime very local correction information, again for sub-meter accuracy. |
| 16:39.46 | matthew_ | is it true that the neo can only last for a few hours off the charger? |
| 16:39.52 | SpeedEvil | mattzerah: at the moment. |
| 16:40.00 | SpeedEvil | mattzerah: power managment is not done yet. |
| 16:40.18 | matthew_ | apparently |
| 16:40.34 | matthew_ | i raised this issue back in june and people didn't seem to think it was important |
| 16:41.20 | Vegar | how much power did the HH consume? |
| 16:41.22 | mwester | They've all been busy working on the gta02 hardware, I'm hopeful we'll see some progress on the kernel and basics soon. |
| 16:42.10 | SpeedEvil | cb22_: also NMEA GPSs output the current position. Any errors that the GPS discovers can only be implemented by a jump back to the correct position. If you delay producing the position, then you can filter both back and forward in time for a much better accuracy of a track - even absent other correction info. |
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| 16:43.18 | rwhitby | Maledictus: I can email you a PDF if you like. |
| 16:43.39 | Maledictus | SpeedEvil: seems like atr0635 has it's own proprietary protocoll too |
| 16:43.47 | Maledictus | rwhitby: mn@bsdgroup.de thanks you :) |
| 16:44.00 | Maledictus | -s |
| 16:44.25 | SpeedEvil | Maledictus: I need to look at that yws - I'd also appreciate an email rwhitby - ublox@mauve.plus.com |
| 16:44.37 | SpeedEvil | Thanks! |
| 16:44.44 | matthew_ | hopefully, power management is extremely important in "does everything" devices |
| 16:44.58 | SpeedEvil | Of course it is. |
| 16:45.14 | SpeedEvil | In some ways we could really do with an embedded controller. |
| 16:45.28 | SpeedEvil | The minimum power mode of the CPU is really quite high. |
| 16:45.44 | rwhitby | Maledictus, SpeedEvil: sent - can you please put this somewhere public and link to it from the wiki GPS page? |
| 16:46.15 | matthew_ | speedevil: even in standby? |
| 16:47.14 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: how does the UBX binary protocol look? |
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| 16:47.35 | SpeedEvil | mattzerah: no - not in standby. There is no mode suitable for doing really slow stuff. |
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| 16:47.54 | Maledictus | rwhitby: ok, i'll look |
| 16:48.01 | SpeedEvil | rwhitby: I'm not going to be able to look at it for an hour or so. |
| 16:48.18 | SpeedEvil | up to an hour or so |
| 16:49.14 | rwhitby | looks pretty detailed, but I have no idea what I am looking at :-) |
| 16:49.22 | matthew_ | mwester: you said that they've been working on gta02 hardware... why are openmoko developers working on gta02? |
| 16:49.48 | rwhitby | cause that's the one they are going to sell to the mass market |
| 16:50.07 | SpeedEvil | Maledictus: and the other reason for the 'damn' - I have wasted a small chunk of my life on trying to figure out the protocol. |
| 16:51.16 | matthew_ | rwhitby: but neo1973 is not developed by the openmoko team... i thought. |
| 16:51.24 | rwhitby | sure it is |
| 16:51.37 | Maledictus | SpeedEvil: that's unfortunate :) |
| 16:51.39 | Vegar | SpeedEvil: are you sure it's such a waste? It's not like all GTA01s will self-destruct when 02 is out. |
| 16:51.50 | abraxa_ | roh: cesarb might be interested in the wiki rework, fyi - he seems quite experienced with wikipedia work |
| 16:52.13 | SpeedEvil | Vegar: it's a waste in that there is probably several hundred hours more work to get a workable GPS driver. |
| 16:52.42 | SpeedEvil | Vegar: And the utility of that for a device which only has a volume of 3K is debatable. |
| 16:52.46 | alphaone | SpeedEvil: There are other devices using the global locate chip |
| 16:52.50 | Vegar | hehe |
| 16:53.02 | SpeedEvil | Yes, there are. |
| 16:53.17 | SpeedEvil | But in many ways the open-source driver is half of it. |
| 16:53.21 | SpeedEvil | The other half is: |
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| 16:55.47 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Server:A-GPS |
| 16:56.55 | SpeedEvil | It's not impossible that with a good implementation of the open-source driver, the app that provides the information for this could go into every OM phone, and enable the user to simply click 'yes' in order to contribute. |
| 16:56.59 | PBeck | GTA02v3, the third revision of GTA02, is still being verified and |
| 16:56.59 | PBeck | tested. This will take another couple of weeks, at which point we'll |
| 16:56.59 | PBeck | make GTA02v4. |
| 16:57.06 | PBeck | that means the v3 had bugs? |
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| 16:58.05 | SpeedEvil | For much of the other stuff with the HH - tomtom GPSs forex - you can't do this, as they have no external comms. |
| 16:58.49 | cb22_ | PBeck, nope |
| 16:58.49 | cb22_ | its still being tested |
| 16:58.51 | cb22_ | as you said |
| 16:59.06 | Maledictus | PBeck: which hardware hasn't? |
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| 16:59.33 | PBeck | cb22_: i think they have finished the verifing and testing process? |
| 16:59.38 | cb22_ | dunno |
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| 16:59.47 | PBeck | Maledictus: gta0v3 |
| 16:59.52 | PBeck | *gta02v3 |
| 17:00.13 | Maledictus | i have no idea |
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| 17:00.24 | SpeedEvil | It was previously indicated that there will be external testing of GTA02 - before it goes on sale |
| 17:00.46 | PBeck | cb22_: the above posting was from Michael Shiloh |
| 17:00.52 | SpeedEvil | So - it's not going to be this batch that you can buy |
| 17:01.10 | cb22_ | SpeedEvil, maybe they will be nice and send one over to you :) |
| 17:01.16 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: yes, but why we make v4? |
| 17:01.27 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: when v3 has no bugs |
| 17:01.41 | SpeedEvil | PBeck: v3 may have no bugs, but may lack features. |
| 17:01.53 | SpeedEvil | For example, they may have found an easy way to connect a FPGA. |
| 17:02.10 | SpeedEvil | (kidding) |
| 17:02.19 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: why they no integrate them in the first version? |
| 17:02.45 | SpeedEvil | PBeck: because they were not specified. |
| 17:02.54 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: when the make a new phone then its not a gta02v4 ;) |
| 17:03.15 | SpeedEvil | PBeck: you typically go for a revision that you think looks right. |
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| 17:03.24 | PBeck | gta03 or what ever for a new device |
| 17:03.40 | SpeedEvil | PBeck: but it will be a very rare device that has no bugs, or is not missing features that you realise would be nice when you get the hardware. |
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| 17:04.13 | SpeedEvil | PBeck: so - you add the features, and hope you don't introduce more bugs. Or a part becomes unavailable, and you've got to respin. |
| 17:04.32 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: why should the integrate new features now? I think that could be for a new device |
| 17:04.33 | SpeedEvil | PBeck: or you find out that there is a much better part you could use, and need to respin |
| 17:05.06 | SpeedEvil | PBeck: consider a more featured PMU chip that has an embedded controller, and can do all of the USB negotiation on its own, even with a flat battery. |
| 17:05.30 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: you has never a optimal solution |
| 17:06.01 | SpeedEvil | No. However there are points at which it makes sense to respin, rather than stick with existing flawed designs. |
| 17:06.08 | Sup3rkiddo | theres no way i could get gps working on gta01, is there? |
| 17:06.29 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunately, until the 'real soon now' occurs, no. |
| 17:06.43 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: yes, but i think that ideas should be in a new device and not on a bug-free device that can be produced :) |
| 17:06.53 | PBeck | +used |
| 17:07.21 | cjb_ie | feeping creaturim |
| 17:07.26 | cjb_ie | feeping creaturism, even |
| 17:07.30 | PBeck | how is the nick of Michael Shiloh on irc? |
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| 17:08.01 | SpeedEvil | There is feeping creaturism - and then there is fixing nastinesses in the hardware you have to work round. |
| 17:08.09 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: http://www.u-blox.com/customersupport/gps.g4/ANTARIS4_Modules_SIM(GPS.G4-MS4-05007).pdf is an interesting read |
| 17:08.13 | PBeck | what means feeping creaturism? |
| 17:08.31 | PBeck | i dont find a translation ^^ |
| 17:08.40 | SpeedEvil | rwhitby: ah - can download that. |
| 17:08.49 | mwester | Sup3rkiddo: There are ways, but the openmoko team has not made that solution available, apparently due to contract problems. |
| 17:09.02 | SpeedEvil | PBeck: creeping featurism |
| 17:09.10 | Sup3rkiddo | mwester, oh. ok. |
| 17:09.18 | SpeedEvil | PBeck: the tendancy to add more features because they are individually cheap or easy to add. |
| 17:09.28 | SpeedEvil | PBeck: without considering the overall price, complexity, ... |
| 17:09.29 | cjb_ie | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creeping_featurism |
| 17:10.26 | PBeck | ah ok thanks SpeedEvil and cb22_ |
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| 17:10.37 | PBeck | cjb_ie ;) |
| 17:10.47 | PBeck | tab is horror :) |
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| 17:16.47 | cb22_ | fresh email on the community mailing list |
| 17:19.20 | rwhitby | "Apparently we have resolved the legal issues with the driver for the GPS chip on GTA01, and the problem right now is that we switched from OABI to EABI. The original driver from Global Locate / Broadcom worked for OABI but is not quite working for EABI. Work is proceeding on this." |
| 17:19.43 | rwhitby | So OpenMoko should be able to distribute gllin for use in an OABI chroot right now. |
| 17:20.50 | abraxa_ | rwhitby: Yes, however roh doesn't have the license at hand that needs to be packaged with it |
| 17:21.03 | SpeedEvil | rwhitby: do you know which chip of the range it is? |
| 17:21.46 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/product_card.asp?part_id=3932 |
| 17:22.58 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - I'm having assorted network problems :/ |
| 17:23.14 | rwhitby | http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/doc4928.pdf |
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| 17:30.06 | SpeedEvil | From the impression I get - this is a much more 'cooked' reciever, which is good for software complexity, but bad for flexibility. It would be ideal if it was flashable - but it's not. |
| 17:30.31 | SpeedEvil | I need to work out the limits to the limited configuration that can be done. |
| 17:30.40 | SpeedEvil | I need to work out the limits to the limited configuration changes that can be done. |
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| 17:32.30 | jorgenpt | abraxa_: The source? :o |
| 17:32.48 | abraxa_ | jorgenpt? |
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| 17:33.02 | jorgenpt | abraxa_: Is the source of gllin being distributed, or the binary? |
| 17:33.15 | rwhitby | binary I expect |
| 17:33.19 | abraxa_ | Binary |
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| 17:35.26 | moprilo | how is the finger keyboard on the neo?.. would you be able to type on ssh ? |
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| 17:37.22 | mjr | not really |
| 17:42.17 | Sup3rkiddo | warning to everyone, dont click "I feel lucky" on google while searching for glinn..thank you |
| 17:43.19 | Vegar | glinn or gllin? |
| 17:43.35 | rwhitby | you should type gllin (global locate linux) |
| 17:44.03 | Sup3rkiddo | Vegar, theres a good chance someone would type glinn, i did and got a "OMG" from my dad a few minutes ago |
| 17:44.15 | Vegar | hehe |
| 17:45.24 | Sup3rkiddo | but thankfully i told him about the typo and now he is sleeping knowing his son what he thought to be..heh |
| 17:45.36 | Sup3rkiddo | oops...ain't |
| 17:45.47 | Henryk | strange, my google doesn't even have "i have lucky anymore" |
| 17:45.47 | Sup3rkiddo | worst typo eva |
| 17:46.05 | Henryk | anyway, the top google result for glinn for me is http://memory-alpha.org/de/wiki/Glinn |
| 17:46.43 | Vegar | Henryk: that's because your google prefers german results |
| 17:46.51 | Vegar | (hl=de in the URL) |
| 17:46.56 | Henryk | yeah, sometimes I hate it for that |
| 17:47.58 | Henryk | (Even worse: The firefox search field was initially set to return only german language results. I didn't notice that at first, but wondered why all my searches did return so few results. When I finally noticed I basically had to redo half a day worth of searches) |
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| 18:01.10 | Kero | apart from certification problems, https://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/sources/liberation-fonts-ttf-3.tar.gz is not found *at all* (so much for the ttf-liberation-0.2 bitbake package) |
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| 18:08.08 | ScaredyCat | Kero: it's httpS |
| 18:08.15 | ScaredyCat | change it to http and it will work |
| 18:08.37 | ScaredyCat | god knows why someone put https |
| 18:09.01 | Mammux72 | When I'm using ssh over usb, it seems to disconnect / reset the connection once in a while (every ssh terminal freezes) .. is that a known problem? |
| 18:12.34 | Kero | ScaredyCat: erm. in which file? |
| 18:13.18 | ScaredyCat | 1 sec lemmi find it |
| 18:13.57 | abraxa_ | Mammux72: Never seen that before - maybe your cable is bad? |
| 18:14.38 | ScaredyCat | ttf-liberation_0.2.bb |
| 18:14.50 | ScaredyCat | in openembedded/packages/ |
| 18:15.07 | ScaredyCat | in openembedded/packages/ttf-fonts |
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| 18:16.02 | ScaredyCat | just change the SRC_URI |
| 18:16.41 | Kero | ScaredyCat: that's a different one. |
| 18:16.51 | Kero | from redhat |
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| 18:17.41 | ScaredyCat | well, once you have it in your sorces, and add the .lock then it doesn't matter |
| 18:17.46 | ScaredyCat | sources |
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| 18:18.14 | ScaredyCat | if you need it I can email the files to you |
| 18:18.39 | xyzzy_bill | Hey, guys. I'm interested in your opinion on an e-book project... I'm sure there are lots of opinions available for free here :-) |
| 18:18.47 | Kero | I have the file, I added the .lock and a .md5 |
| 18:18.56 | Kero | worked for a previous file, not for this one |
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| 18:19.38 | xyzzy_bill | I'm interested in contacting gutenberg.org, and seeing if we can provide a smartphone-friendly ebook catalog, with e-books auto-formatted for Neo1973. |
| 18:20.03 | cjb_ie | isn't all their stuff essentially in the public domain anyway? |
| 18:20.42 | SpeedEvil | Auto-formatting for devices is insane. |
| 18:20.44 | ScaredyCat | yes... |
| 18:20.47 | SpeedEvil | As you can't. |
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| 18:21.06 | SpeedEvil | Does the user want to read in sunlight, or at night. |
| 18:21.22 | xyzzy_bill | Yes, it's public-domain. There is an auto-formatter for the iPhone e-book reader that I used while I had an Iphone. It worked well for most texts. |
| 18:21.31 | ScaredyCat | Kero: I don;t know which .bb file is trying to get that uri - none of mine contain it |
| 18:21.32 | SpeedEvil | 80*25 chars, or 8*2 |
| 18:21.36 | xyzzy_bill | The main thing was to break it into chapters, and create an index. |
| 18:21.44 | SpeedEvil | And add backreferences. |
| 18:21.50 | SpeedEvil | I find that so useful. |
| 18:21.52 | TobiX | One wants to have the source in some nice meta-format to convert to everything else... |
| 18:22.13 | SpeedEvil | Any proper name is backreferenced if it hasn't occurred in 10 pages. |
| 18:22.18 | ScaredyCat | Kero: someone else complained earlier today, so I did a test rebuild to chek, fine here... |
| 18:22.22 | SpeedEvil | back to the first occurrance. |
| 18:22.34 | xyzzy_bill | However, I had to run the gutenmark and gutensplit apps manually... a huge pain. I'd like to just browse books on-line from the phone, and select what I want. gutenmark and gutensplit could run on the server before download starts. |
| 18:23.18 | Kero | ScaredyCat: scariest, when I take the s out of https of redhat, it downloads http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/liberation-fonts-ttf-3.tar.gz and builds succesfully. |
| 18:23.22 | xyzzy_bill | SpeedEvil: backreferences sounds very nice. |
| 18:24.22 | SpeedEvil | xyzzy_bill: for me - I have minor memory problems with chars. |
| 18:24.37 | SpeedEvil | If I put a book down for a week, I can really lose the plot (literally) |
| 18:24.59 | xyzzy_bill | SpeedEvil: Users mostly read inside during day, or at night. I have the exact same problem with books -- I'm really not quite normal that way. |
| 18:25.17 | SpeedEvil | simply being able to click on names and get the first occurance, rather than having to read the beginning again is nice. |
| 18:25.25 | xyzzy_bill | SpeedEvil: I have to read a book in a few days, so that I don't loose track of the plot. |
| 18:25.32 | SpeedEvil | xyzzy_bill: I mean that you can't define it for a device. |
| 18:25.44 | SpeedEvil | xyzzy_bill: only for a user/device/environment |
| 18:25.47 | xyzzy_bill | SpeedEvil: Ok, that sounds very cool, and quite doable. |
| 18:26.01 | SpeedEvil | xyzzy_bill: and then there is stuff like 'Wheel of time' |
| 18:26.10 | SpeedEvil | where there are eleventy-billion chars. |
| 18:26.48 | SpeedEvil | (though the wheel has fallen off the axle) |
| 18:27.16 | cjb_ie | well, at least then you can compress the hell out of the database without fear of having to update it... |
| 18:28.18 | Kero | 'k, build continues. Still, these kind of things are utter crap :( |
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| 18:29.40 | xyzzy_bill | So, I don't even see an e-book reader listed on the projects.openmoko.org site. Is there really no e-book reader yet? |
| 18:30.03 | SpeedEvil | I use lynx for book reading. |
| 18:30.21 | buz | what fontsize do you use on neo for ebooks? |
| 18:30.29 | Henryk | xyzzy_bill: i think i got something to read djvu running some weeks ago |
| 18:30.30 | SpeedEvil | I haven't actually done much reading. |
| 18:30.38 | SpeedEvil | Though I did use FF to read a bit. |
| 18:30.45 | xyzzy_bill | buz: user-selectable font-size. I use larger fonts - my eyes are getting old. |
| 18:30.59 | buz | yeah but what are YOU using |
| 18:31.16 | xyzzy_bill | The "Books" reader on iPhone was quite good. I read several texts until Apple borked my phone. |
| 18:31.37 | SpeedEvil | how? |
| 18:31.42 | xyzzy_bill | But, you had to jump through hoops to get a book onto the phone in a "Books" friendly format. |
| 18:31.51 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 18:32.11 | SpeedEvil | Minimally marked up HTML is my favourite format. |
| 18:32.17 | SpeedEvil | Let that be rendered however. |
| 18:32.26 | SpeedEvil | Fixed pages - PDF is _insane_. |
| 18:32.55 | Henryk | depends on the subject |
| 18:32.59 | SpeedEvil | True. |
| 18:33.00 | xyzzy_bill | SpeedEvil: Yes, PDF is quite bad. The "Books" reader just used basic formatted text, but we lost all the pictures. |
| 18:33.07 | SpeedEvil | I mean for stuff like novels. |
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| 18:34.20 | SpeedEvil | For stuff like textbooks, with complex diagrams, you need much more complex formatting. |
| 18:34.27 | xyzzy_bill | I liked several "Books" features. There was a button for next page, prev page, contents, and it remembered which chapters you read, so even if you lost your place, you could quickly find it again. |
| 18:35.02 | xyzzy_bill | There was also a list of titles currently on the phone, which was nice. |
| 18:35.19 | SpeedEvil | I think there is an app page. |
| 18:35.23 | SpeedEvil | search the wiki for book |
| 18:35.24 | SpeedEvil | or ebook |
| 18:37.41 | xyzzy_bill | I found a link talking about possibly porting an ebook reader: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Reader |
| 18:38.34 | xyzzy_bill | I'm just floundering around trying to find where I can contribute well. I could write and/or port an e-book reader. Would that be a high-value task? |
| 18:39.16 | rtyler | alright, who broke the build :P |
| 18:39.27 | rtyler | webkit again >_< |
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| 18:40.02 | buz | xyzzy_bill: for me, an offline capable rss reader would be worth more |
| 18:40.05 | buz | but that's jsut me |
| 18:40.28 | buz | think reader that downloads all links in a stream for later offline reading |
| 18:40.30 | xyzzy_bill | buz: I agree that would be good. |
| 18:40.31 | ScaredyCat | Kero: that's what I told you! |
| 18:40.59 | ScaredyCat | it's just daftness on the .bb file authors part |
| 18:41.11 | buz | xyzzy_bill: maybe some thing wrapping together httrack and webkit would do that just fine |
| 18:41.45 | buz | httrack is by far the best app to save offline copies of pages |
| 18:42.35 | xyzzy_bill | buz: can webit be used to just render html, while I add the buttons/controls I want to the app? |
| 18:43.16 | abraxa_ | xyzzy_bill: You might want to talk to zecke if you're interested in this task as he's the author of the rss reader used on OpenMoko |
| 18:44.06 | rwhitby | buz: have you seen wwwoffle? http://www.gedanken.demon.co.uk/wwwoffle/ |
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| 18:45.57 | buz | xyzzy_bill: i thought that was the point of webkit ;) |
| 18:47.12 | xyzzy_bill | I think an e-book reader is basically different than an RSS reader. A webkit based version sounds like a good idea, especially if webkit is already going to be on all our phones. The post just now by rtyler worries me... |
| 18:47.14 | buz | rwhitby: if you want a complete solution for browing, wwwoffle is ok, but if you want to store pages for offline viewing or maybe even crawl them, httrack is what you have to beat |
| 18:47.42 | Kero | ScaredyCat: to take the S out of URL2, because URL1 does not work, so it uses URL3, which is unequal to either-without-s ? did you really say that? :) |
| 18:48.05 | Henryk | hmm, for ebooks djvu would be better though. it's basically finished and now only needs a gui that'll work on 640x480 |
| 18:48.41 | buz | i'd prefer ebooks in some sane format, i dont consider djvu to be sane |
| 18:48.51 | buz | (unless we're talking about scanned stuff) |
| 18:49.02 | mjr | yeah, sane is markup |
| 18:49.14 | buz | yeah |
| 18:49.25 | buz | maybe even use webkit to render some sane xhtml |
| 18:50.34 | xyzzy_bill | Many gutenberg e-books are already provided in html, and those that are just text can typically be automatically split into chapters with a table of contents. A webkit based reader does sounds pretty sane to me. |
| 18:51.55 | buz | yeah and rendering html to different screen sizes is very simple |
| 18:51.58 | buz | not so for djvu or pdf |
| 18:53.09 | buz | and if you're really lazy, you can do without any custom moko gui work |
| 18:53.13 | buz | just do it in xhtml, too |
| 18:53.30 | xyzzy_bill | Should I try to talk to the minimo guys, since they already ported webkit? |
| 18:53.51 | buz | isnt minimo gecko based??? |
| 18:54.08 | xyzzy_bill | beats me. I was wondering why everyone seems to hate minimo |
| 18:54.34 | xyzzy_bill | What's the difference between webkit and gecko? |
| 18:54.36 | buz | because they develop firefox for windows ce, basically |
| 18:54.51 | buz | webkit: safari (konqueror soon), gecko: firefox, mozilla et al |
| 18:55.07 | xyzzy_bill | Is webkit better? |
| 18:55.08 | buz | on a phone, you rather want webkit |
| 18:55.13 | xyzzy_bill | why? |
| 18:55.19 | buz | it's faster |
| 18:55.29 | guaqua | i'm guessing it's also smaller |
| 18:55.39 | buz | and more widely supported, it's used by adobe, apple, kde, trolltech, nokia now |
| 18:55.42 | xyzzy_bill | Is anyone doing a webkit based OpenMoko browser? |
| 18:55.47 | buz | (kde soon, anyway) |
| 18:55.53 | buz | i think so, have seen screenshots on planet |
| 18:56.13 | guaqua | webkit compiles on the platform and is used by the feedreader, at least to a degree |
| 18:56.40 | xyzzy_bill | The RSS feedreader? |
| 18:56.53 | xyzzy_bill | I'm just trying to figure out who to talk to about webkit port. |
| 18:56.54 | guaqua | yes |
| 18:56.55 | buz | yeah but it doesnt support offline reading afaict |
| 18:57.11 | guaqua | zecke is the author of the feedreader |
| 18:58.15 | Henryk | xyzzy_bill: yes, webkit is already routinely built and used on OpenMoko (and tends to break builds for lots of people :) |
| 18:58.43 | xyzzy_bill | Ok, Thanks. How can I contact zecke? |
| 18:58.46 | buz | (s60 browser IS using webkit, right?) |
| 19:00.26 | xyzzy_bill | I found zecke@selfish.org on Google |
| 19:02.52 | xyzzy_bill | Thanks, guys, for the insights. |
| 19:03.01 | xyzzy_bill | gotta go feed the kids :-) |
| 19:13.24 | cb22_ | so, anyone got an idea about how the OpenGL ES on the SMedia is actually going to work? |
| 19:16.20 | roh | cb22_ not till the driver is done'ß |
| 19:16.37 | roh | cb22_ then it can so egl1.2 or so i think |
| 19:17.05 | cb22_ | so will it be very special? |
| 19:17.13 | cb22_ | or could i type in glxgears and have them appear? |
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| 19:26.41 | xyzzy_bill | Hey, I just registered for the ebook project on projects.openmoko.org. Hopefullly, I'll be able to make our phones just a bit cooler! |
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| 19:34.34 | buz | xyzzy_bill: hopefully, gta02 will ship on time, so i can actually use your app ;) |
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| 19:36.42 | pjspjspjs | cool, the magic of opensource, everyone helps |
| 19:36.47 | pjspjspjs | and makes the phones cooler |
| 19:36.54 | xyzzy_bill | buz: Heck, I can't read that 2.8" screen... I figure I'll write the app, and hope tat the GTA-03 has a 3.5" :-D |
| 19:37.13 | buz | make that 4" widescreen for all i care |
| 19:37.47 | hrw|tv | 800x480? |
| 19:37.52 | buz | using that 800x480 screen from the toshiba phone |
| 19:38.09 | buz | and a sliding qwerty keyboard |
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| 19:38.52 | cb22_ | and mimo hsdpa |
| 19:38.56 | buz | i wonder what would happen if you wrote a soft ipod interface |
| 19:39.21 | buz | technically, you can do it on most touchscreens |
| 19:39.28 | buz | could even improve on it |
| 19:43.49 | Henryk | buz: methinks you can do two finger scaling, but not rotation |
| 19:44.02 | buz | one finger rotation is good enough |
| 19:44.14 | buz | i once tried it on the drawing app on my p900, it does work |
| 19:44.28 | buz | besidesm you can do better than rotation on a touch screen |
| 19:45.04 | buz | i've long been of the opinion that a sliding scale would be far preferable to a wheel |
| 19:45.19 | buz | slide further from the center to accelerate scrolling, stop when you take your finger off |
| 19:45.43 | buz | scrolling through long lists tends to be literally painfull on the ipod |
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| 19:47.27 | abraxa_ | buz: It's not all that pleasant with the current implementation of the finger scroll container either |
| 19:48.08 | buz | yeah thats why i would base scrolling speed on distance from center of scroll bar |
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| 20:01.59 | cesarb | abraxa_: well, I'm an admin on en.wikipedia.org, so it's no wonder I have some experience with mediawiki-based wikis ;-) |
| 20:03.44 | abraxa_ | cesarb: Ahh, hehe... well, in case you missed it: roh was looking for wiki-experienced folks to reorganize the OM wiki |
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| 20:04.10 | juri_ | i'm a trac user myself. *shrugs* |
| 20:05.29 | buz | whatever happened to the asus eee? that would be the perfect companion to neo |
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| 20:10.03 | lysanderslair | http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/12/asus-eee-pc-ships-this-month-199-but-not-for-you/ |
| 20:10.49 | daMaestro | that sucks |
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| 20:11.43 | hhf423 | nabend |
| 20:11.55 | woglinde | re hhf |
| 20:12.34 | hhf423 | hi woglinde |
| 20:13.21 | hhf423 | does anyone have a count or guesstimate of shipped gta01? |
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| 20:35.25 | hhf423 | re |
| 20:35.52 | cb22_ | hhf423, @ # of gta01, i heard 3000 or so |
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| 20:36.46 | hhf423 | the first batch was something like 2000 or already 3000? they should now be selling the second production run, right? |
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| 20:51.34 | SpeedEvil | Anyone in the last several days happen to have a ticket number? |
| 20:52.35 | hhf423 | what kind of ticket numer? |
| 20:53.25 | SpeedEvil | I mean a ticket number as is given out with orders. However I'm not sure if they haven't changed. |
| 20:53.50 | SpeedEvil | changed order format |
| 20:55.31 | cesarb | We could simply ask the next new owner to appear in this channel to tell his gta01 serial, or an aproximation of it |
| 20:55.43 | SpeedEvil | They have serials? |
| 20:55.59 | hrw|tv | yes |
| 20:56.23 | hrw|tv | I have gta01 bv4 with serial 000234 |
| 20:56.34 | hrw|tv | from 20070420 |
| 20:56.46 | Henryk | where would the serial be printed? |
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| 20:57.01 | hrw|tv | Henryk: sticker on back side of device |
| 20:57.04 | cesarb | mine is from the end of 200707, and has serial in the 700s |
| 20:57.18 | hrw|tv | my gta01 bv3 is from 20070207 and has 000193 number |
| 20:57.56 | SpeedEvil | s |
| 20:58.27 | SpeedEvil | s/n 8B7600121? |
| 20:58.31 | Henryk | hmm, the S/N starts with 8A, not with 00 |
| 20:58.45 | cesarb | mine starts with 8A too |
| 20:59.03 | SpeedEvil | Well - I have 121 - so I beat you both. |
| 20:59.07 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 20:59.09 | woglinde | lol |
| 20:59.11 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: :D |
| 20:59.23 | SpeedEvil | Dunno if that's the first and second batch of 500. |
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| 20:59.48 | Henryk | cesarb: i think my gta01bv2 doesn't have a serial number. but there's a hand written sticker that says "#11" |
| 20:59.52 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: or perhaps separate assembly lines running in paralell |
| 20:59.58 | roh | Henryk hrhr |
| 20:59.59 | SpeedEvil | Perhaps. |
| 21:00.01 | cesarb | Henryk: lol |
| 21:00.07 | hrw|tv | Henryk: gta01bv2 were internal only ;) |
| 21:00.09 | roh | Henryk yep.. thats a too-early one |
| 21:00.12 | SpeedEvil | It's never been cleared up what the production was for GTA01 IIRC |
| 21:00.26 | SpeedEvil | how the production was done. |
| 21:00.30 | hrw|tv | bv3 was first sent to devels outside of openmoko |
| 21:01.19 | hrw|tv | ;D |
| 21:01.23 | Henryk | the gta01bv4 s/n ends in 1008, date code 20070724 |
| 21:01.30 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: I think bunnie's somewhat recent posts (even if they are not OM/neo related) help a lot visualize how things are done in the chinese factories |
| 21:02.34 | SpeedEvil | ces |
| 21:02.46 | SpeedEvil | : I was meaning more was it two batches of 500, or what. |
| 21:05.06 | SpeedEvil | I assume you mean the ones with girls and lots of bins of different SMD parts? |
| 21:06.07 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: or the more recent ones with a mix of manual labor and places-6-parts-per-second-and-doesn't-even-get-tired machines |
| 21:06.12 | buz | i think that's only the case for small batches, there's just no chance humans can keep up with robots for any mid to large scale production |
| 21:06.21 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 21:06.53 | cesarb | buz: the bunnie posts say otherwise... just read them, they are very long but also (Score:5, Interesting) (in slashdot notation) ;-) |
| 21:06.58 | SpeedEvil | And it's not going to be that long (IMO) till even the cheapest of the cheap stuff - 'mini CD radio' for example goes to SMD. |
| 21:06.59 | buz | url? |
| 21:07.20 | SpeedEvil | The one I bought a year ago is still completely through hole. |
| 21:07.24 | buz | mhh cd player aren't using smd? |
| 21:07.35 | buz | i could have sworn the ones i recently trashed were |
| 21:07.40 | SpeedEvil | buz: it's a mini CD player 'tower' system. |
| 21:07.54 | buz | mine was more like ultra cheap ghetto blaster |
| 21:07.59 | SpeedEvil | That was sold for maybe $40us with a free phone. |
| 21:08.07 | buz | whereas ultra cheap <30EUR |
| 21:08.21 | SpeedEvil | Or ratehr was a free gift with a phone. |
| 21:08.39 | SpeedEvil | 8cm*30*30cm speakers, and unit. |
| 21:08.54 | buz | oh mine only had like 2x5cm speakers |
| 21:09.05 | buz | and sounded worse than many a laptop |
| 21:09.14 | cesarb | buz: http://bunniestudios.com/blog/ |
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| 21:11.06 | SpeedEvil | buz: about the same. It sounds OK surprisingly enough. |
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| 21:11.23 | buz | mine decidedly sounded like utter crap |
| 21:11.29 | buz | (as i say, like most laptops ;) |
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| 21:12.05 | SpeedEvil | Err - with proper speakers. |
| 21:12.14 | SpeedEvil | I'm mostly just using it as a computer amp. |
| 21:13.20 | buz | ah well, building solid state amps isnt THAT hard |
| 21:13.35 | buz | i run low end studio headphones from my laptop |
| 21:13.52 | buz | my gf hates them |
| 21:14.00 | buz | (sound insulation is very good ;) |
| 21:14.01 | cjb_ie | i love my sennheisers |
| 21:14.13 | cjb_ie | i want to have their babies. |
| 21:14.31 | buz | mine are sony, believe it or not, they sounded better than more than double priced sennheisers |
| 21:14.38 | mookid | what you using? cjb_ie ? |
| 21:14.48 | buz | (and that comes from someone who usually has nothing but scorn for sony) |
| 21:14.49 | cjb_ie | mookid: HD25, and HD25SP |
| 21:15.01 | buz | ah well THOSE were out of my price range ;) |
| 21:15.02 | mookid | HD595's here :) |
| 21:15.16 | buz | the sony mdr v6 can easily take it up with and HD5XX tho |
| 21:15.20 | buz | any |
| 21:15.38 | mookid | lovely rich sound with the 595's - perfect for aphex twin and the like |
| 21:15.38 | buz | and come in at a measly 80$ |
| 21:16.00 | buz | well the sony's are pretty flat, but that's not too much of aproblem if you use equalizer |
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| 21:16.55 | Kero | nothing beats Neo stereo speakers! |
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| 21:18.27 | cjb_ie | right now i'm using a pair of horrid no-name in-ear things |
| 21:19.18 | cjb_ie | because i have no 3.5mm - 1/4" adaptor here to plug the HD25SP's into the laptop :( |
| 21:20.06 | Kero | ok, at least I have a bootin, accessible image again. |
| 21:21.49 | Kero | just wondering why it claims to be Connected to Network. No SIM inside... |
| 21:22.15 | cjb_ie | GSM spec allows for emergency calls without sim |
| 21:22.20 | cjb_ie | would that be related? |
| 21:22.29 | SpeedEvil | cjb: whihc is not possible in all countries of course. |
| 21:22.42 | cjb_ie | yup, it is of course operator dependent. |
| 21:22.45 | Kero | cjb_ie: possibly |
| 21:22.49 | SpeedEvil | (UK does not allow SIMless emergency calls) |
| 21:23.43 | cjb_ie | SpeedEvil: huh. i thought they used to |
| 21:24.41 | Kero | cjb_ie: just that until now, openmoko seemed to fail on about anything I tried with gsm related things. |
| 21:24.53 | Kero | cjb_ie: improvement is good :) |
| 21:25.56 | Henryk | Kero: even worse: It claims to be connected even when you enter a wrong PIN :-) |
| 21:28.25 | Kero | so the applet is still a delusion, hm? |
| 21:29.35 | Henryk | no, does work |
| 21:29.55 | Kero | booting with SIM now, let's see :) |
| 21:31.33 | cb22_ | so, whats the magic firmware update for the GSM modem? |
| 21:32.49 | hrw|tv | gsm firmware update can be probably handy for bv3 users |
| 21:33.23 | cb22_ | i dont suppose anyone could use this tool and hack some gsm firmware? |
| 21:35.14 | mjr | the firmwares probably are signed, quite possibly encrypted |
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| 21:35.57 | hrw|tv | and probably update will not be published anyway |
| 21:37.18 | cesarb | Hm, wasn't there a email on the device-owners about this in the last few days? |
| 21:37.52 | cesarb | Saying they already have the license to distribute the firmware (but still not the firmware updater)? |
| 21:38.07 | mjr | yes |
| 21:38.09 | Henryk | yes, there was. community-mailinglist even |
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| 21:39.03 | Henryk | "Update: GPS driver for GTA01 and GSM firmware for GTA01" from Michael Shiloh |
| 21:39.09 | SpeedEvil | cjb: in the sporadic tests I've done over the past decade or so with GSM phones (about 5) a SIMless emergency call has never connected. (scotland.) |
| 21:39.21 | SpeedEvil | GSM !=GPS |
| 21:39.24 | hrw|tv | cesarb: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-October/011031.html |
| 21:40.03 | Henryk | SpeedEvil: True. So? |
| 21:41.11 | cesarb | hrw|tv: thx |
| 21:41.55 | CoreDump|afk | fwiw I used this emergency feature once successfully |
| 21:42.01 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - I'm perhaps not following the discussion properly - I thought the original query was about GSM firmware updating. |
| 21:42.49 | Henryk | SpeedEvil: yes it was. And the answer happened to be in the same mail as an update about the GPS situation. "Update: _GPS_ driver for GTA01 and _GSM_ firmware for GTA01" Remember: GPS != GSM :-) |
| 21:42.51 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: the email message hrw|tv posted discusses both |
| 21:42.52 | mjr | Henryk, read the subject again, it references both |
| 21:43.01 | mjr | I mean SpeedEvil |
| 21:43.10 | mjr | anyway, I think it's clear enough now ;) |
| 21:43.12 | cesarb | s/posted/linked to/ |
| 21:43.25 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 21:43.57 | SpeedEvil | For annoying reasons I'm having to do wierd stuff to get URLs - for some reason copy/paste has broken |
| 21:44.24 | SpeedEvil | I'm not bothering chasing it down as I'm about to format the drive and completely reinstall. |
| 21:45.12 | cb22_ | SpeedEvil, xchat on windows? |
| 21:45.27 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: ouch. Sounds like something I'd see happening on windows :| |
| 21:45.46 | cesarb | nah, bitchx on linux |
| 21:46.09 | roh | cesarb nope. ti calypso cannot do edge. |
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| 21:46.38 | roh | there is no edge-firmware thus. it was 'just' a regression in the upstream ti binarys |
| 21:46.53 | cesarb | roh: the enfora IIE has a rather similar set of AT commands (even including the %EM commands), and it's also EDGE... it's possible that the firmware is the same, only with parts ifdefed out |
| 21:46.58 | Bluezz | Is there any software for openmoko, that changes the IMEI adress ? |
| 21:47.08 | roh | cesarb sorry.. thats bullshit. |
| 21:47.22 | cesarb | roh: that's only wild guessing on my part ;-) |
| 21:47.41 | roh | cesarb ive read the datasheets. it is 2g only. |
| 21:47.42 | cesarb | (wild guessing can sometimes be fun!) |
| 21:47.42 | cb22_ | maybe we could bribe some ti employees to 'leak' the code :) |
| 21:47.53 | cb22_ | cesarb, indeed, wild guessing is very fun |
| 21:48.29 | cesarb | Bluezz: there isn't, since it's on the GSM chipset side, and it's very unlikely that one will be developed, as the neo is still too fringe to be interesting to the kind of people who write these |
| 21:48.51 | cesarb | The more wild and improbable the theory, the funnier it can be |
| 21:49.06 | SpeedEvil | Bluezz: that would in fact make it illegal to sell in the UK. |
| 21:49.14 | cesarb | As long as it has at least a slight possibility (no matter how improbable) of being true |
| 21:49.15 | SpeedEvil | Bluezz: once the first person abused it. |
| 21:49.23 | Kero | no applets (what's new), but could enter PIN and actually have a connection. |
| 21:49.35 | SpeedEvil | cb22_: no - for some reason pastes out of xterm are not working. |
| 21:49.41 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: this means all the common phones where IMEI-changing methods have already been found cannot be sold there??? |
| 21:50.02 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: no - I mean if there was an approved method by the maker. |
| 21:50.35 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: If you can say 'the evil hackers did it' you're OK. |
| 21:50.39 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: ah. but changing the IMEI isn't that useful, unlike ethernet where some things need special MACs |
| 21:50.57 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: apart from fraud. |
| 21:51.35 | roh | well.. besides fraud i do not see much useful application for an imei changer |
| 21:52.13 | cesarb | roh: some very esoteric bug-chasing scenarios (for instance, a carrier wants to find out why a specific set of IMEIs keep getting dropped somewhere) might also need it |
| 21:52.44 | roh | cesarb these people do not need to mod mobile handsets so often. they have proper equipment |
| 21:53.12 | roh | the only reason people change imei in masses out there is because its stolen devices and the imei is in the blacklist. |
| 21:53.26 | roh | some countries in the eu actually have one |
| 21:53.38 | cb22_ | ^^ and in south africa too |
| 21:53.56 | cb22_ | but here the networks are evil, they can block your phone if you piss them off |
| 21:54.09 | Bluezz | second question, Can I emulate one sim card with openmoko, so I can switch btw them with out changing the simcard it self? |
| 21:54.41 | Henryk | hmm, in principle yes, in practice no |
| 21:54.43 | roh | Bluezz no. the simcard reader is directly connected to the gsm modem. |
| 21:54.56 | cb22_ | Henryk, in principle? |
| 21:55.09 | roh | so no access there from the app-cpu at all without the gsm modem |
| 21:55.18 | roh | aka no sim simulation |
| 21:55.30 | Henryk | you should be able to reconnect the simcard reader to some I/O pins on the neo. then all you need to do would be to extract the keys from two cards. oh, and figure out the algorithm and implement it. |
| 21:55.31 | Henryk | ;-) |
| 21:55.39 | Kero | how do I answer an incoming call? quite a few buttons, but none of them seems to work... |
| 21:56.46 | cesarb | roh: I wonder if the firmware update would also make it work with GSM850 |
| 21:56.58 | Writchie | it better |
| 21:57.09 | roh | cesarb thats another question i cannot yet answer |
| 21:57.31 | Henryk | hmm, actually, constructing a second sim holder and a software controlled switch shouldn't be too hard of a self-made project |
| 21:57.42 | cesarb | roh: I expected you couldn't answer it. But that doesn't stop me wondering ;-) |
| 21:58.38 | SpeedEvil | roh: What is the meaning of life? |
| 21:58.39 | roh | Henryk that would not give you anything existing multi-sim adapter can already do. |
| 21:58.45 | Writchie | Henryk: you would need a way for the calypso chipset to re-initialize the SIM - i don't think its there. |
| 21:59.05 | Henryk | Writchie: switch gsm off, switch connected sims, switch gsm on |
| 21:59.32 | Writchie | have you been able to switch gsm off and on reliably? |
| 21:59.35 | roh | SpeedEvil that i know... sex drugs and rock'n'roll^welektronic music^w^w^w^w^w 42!1!!!1! |
| 22:00.00 | Henryk | Writchie: everything's bound to be better in the future. or at least supposed to be. |
| 22:00.04 | hrw|tv | does not all Bv3 had same IMEI? |
| 22:00.43 | Writchie | in principle on and off with work. In future, there's a better way especially with Bluetooth remote sim. just need to wait a couple of years |
| 22:01.16 | roh | well.. Bluetooth remote sim is something which desperately needs some bored hackers to destroy that braindead scheme |
| 22:01.27 | Henryk | well yes, the bluetooth way would be even better. i really like the idea of enslaving an existing phone |
| 22:01.42 | roh | kinda nice idea from the usability idea.. but totally flawed from the security standpoint |
| 22:02.06 | Writchie | roh: how's that |
| 22:02.37 | roh | well.. your sim card needs to transfer data which should not be on rf via bt. that easy |
| 22:03.17 | Writchie | roh: the critical part stays in the chip - BT is just a transport. |
| 22:03.20 | roh | and the authentication beeing, well.. optimized for usability and not inherent security |
| 22:03.41 | Henryk | roh: in the wiki there's the alternative idea of using existing cheap bt capable phones and simply enslave them: connect to the phone via serial and do remote control with AT commands, transfer voice via bluetooth |
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| 22:04.30 | roh | Henryk well.. that does mean they don't do bt sim access at all. only the pricy nokia devices did that at all afaik. |
| 22:04.51 | roh | and that was mainly for the even more expensive carkit they sell |
| 22:05.03 | Writchie | Henryk: the d-bus layer i'm working on will do that - but its a little tricky to make the BT headset part work properly with most phones. |
| 22:05.04 | Henryk | roh: right. that's one of the reasons for this el cheapo scheme: basically nobody implements sim access |
| 22:06.47 | roh | in reality its much cheaper just to use the rf thats near the sim (aka same device) and use bt for connecting the car as a handsfree-kit. |
| 22:07.59 | Writchie | i think the remote sim motivation is also driven by other sim apps and authentication |
| 22:08.04 | roh | voila, usecase served, problem solved. much more standardized, less security hassle (no sim card traffic on the air) and the devices for that are already on the market and getting cheaper every day. evne 200E car stereos can do that nowadays |
| 22:08.30 | roh | Writchie there are no other sim apps. we don't do simtoolkit |
| 22:08.49 | Writchie | roh: i'm speaking generally |
| 22:09.18 | Writchie | roh: you don't do simtoolkit by philosophical choice |
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| 22:27.52 | Kero | mm, hanging up from the dialer (before call is answered?) seems to destabilize gsmd. |
| 22:28.00 | Kero | restarting gsmd etc, works, tho. |
| 22:28.42 | Kero | (I removed ttySAC0 from bootargs; there's one more patch for bug 788 today, then that might not be necessary anymore) |
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| 22:32.28 | Kero | but this seems at least a workable starting point. finally. |
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| 22:59.59 | cb22_ | anyone know a place with good, clear photos of the neo? |
| 23:00.15 | SpeedEvil | flickr |
| 23:00.21 | SpeedEvil | search on neo1973 |
| 23:00.29 | cb22_ | ty |
| 23:00.54 | daMaestro | cb22_, http://damaestro.us/photography |
| 23:02.14 | daMaestro | i think i still have the originals laying around somewhere, if you need a higher resolution |
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| 23:04.21 | cb22_ | daMaestro, nice |
| 23:04.26 | cb22_ | that screen looks beautiful |
| 23:04.41 | daMaestro | yes, it is really nice |
| 23:05.31 | SpeedEvil | The screen is insane. |
| 23:05.56 | SpeedEvil | I was playing with it a while back, and realised that I had an 80*25 term open - with other stuff onscreen too. |
| 23:06.00 | SpeedEvil | And could read it. |
| 23:06.27 | cb22_ | this phone is like crack for me :( |
| 23:07.11 | daMaestro | grr i think my ip-kvm is b0rked, /me moves to server room |
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| 23:23.54 | Cardo | Hio |
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| 23:35.14 | abraxa_ | cb22_: I, too, wonder what theme professionals can produce |
| 23:35.57 | abraxa_ | The 16-bit framebuffer is nice but really makes the gradients look inferior to photos and solids |
| 23:36.14 | cb22_ | yeah |
| 23:36.55 | abraxa_ | I used gpe-gallery to browse pictures on the Neo and damn do they look good |
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| 23:37.10 | cb22_ | maybe with the crystal icons |
| 23:37.26 | abraxa_ | Crystal? |
| 23:37.30 | cb22_ | everaldo |
| 23:37.41 | abraxa_ | Doesn't ring a bell ;x |
| 23:37.57 | cb22_ | the everaldo icons? |
| 23:38.01 | cb22_ | crystalsvg |
| 23:38.22 | cb22_ | http://www.everaldo.com/ |
| 23:38.26 | abraxa_ | I'm an Xfce guy, I don't do themes ;) |
| 23:38.29 | cb22_ | hehe |
| 23:38.31 | abraxa_ | Thankies |
| 23:40.51 | abraxa_ | Indeed... |
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| 23:41.18 | cb22_ | or even the oxygen icons |
| 23:41.22 | cb22_ | http://www.oxygen-icons.org |
| 23:42.17 | doc|home | "To expand a little on what Harald wrote, thanks to TI we are now able to |
| 23:42.18 | doc|home | distribute the upgraded GSM firmware, but we're still working on the |
| 23:42.18 | doc|home | exact distribution terms for the firmware update program." |
| 23:42.19 | doc|home | yey! |
| 23:46.58 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:48.02 | doc|home | man, I can't wait for the GTA02 to be released, only I'll be in limbo land re: work visa in canada, so I can't have it delivered to some place without risking being 7000 miles away from that place when it arrives :( |
| 23:48.45 | cb22_ | no hesitation |
| 23:49.22 | xyzzy_bill | Yeah, I'll order one, too. And I haven't even gotten my GTA01, yet... it's in transit. |
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| 23:54.03 | bluezz | Is the gsm chipset closed source or? |
| 23:55.18 | dcordes | bluezz: yes gsm is ran by binary system |
| 23:56.21 | bluezz | dcordes, all the gsm chipsets that are out in the market ? |
| 23:56.23 | dcordes | gsm devices have to be certified by official testing in order to become allowed |
| 23:56.49 | dcordes | so they are not allowed to be changed afterwards |
| 23:57.23 | Henryk | that's because gsm is an extremely cooperative system, any foul-playing device would be a major nuisance |
| 23:58.54 | bluezz | define nuisance pleas? |
