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| 00:37.17 | xzcvczx | mwester: thank you sir may i have another |
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| 00:40.34 | Mek | perhaps the 40cm of papaer forming the OOXML standard? |
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| 00:42.25 | xzcvczx | lol |
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| 00:47.58 | Ward1983 | is the december release for the gta02 confirmed? I'm planning on buying a pda, to use as gps and pda / mediaplayer, and i'm thinking of waiting for the openmoko gta02, if the release date is confirmed. |
| 00:48.45 | Ward1983 | (i'm not asking, is it out, where can i buy it, i just would like to know if there's a possibillity that i would need to wait longer) |
| 00:48.52 | SpeedEvil | It will probably not be end-user ready at that time. |
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| 00:49.13 | Ward1983 | damn, that's what i was thinking someone would answer SpeedEvil |
| 00:49.22 | SpeedEvil | I have severe doubts that the PM will be ready, forex. |
| 00:51.35 | Ward1983 | thanx for the info |
| 00:52.04 | SpeedEvil | This could be wrong - check back nearer the time. |
| 00:52.28 | SpeedEvil | It's possible that either more funding or more development may happen |
| 00:52.45 | Ward1983 | SpeedEvil, i will check back right before i find a good candidate pda to buy :-) |
| 00:52.47 | Ward1983 | to make sure |
| 00:53.25 | Vegar | a gta02 before christmas would be nice |
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| 00:53.51 | Ward1983 | how far are thing actually? |
| 00:53.59 | Ward1983 | *things |
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| 00:54.29 | Ward1983 | with the software |
| 00:55.07 | SpeedEvil | Some things look promising, but most of it crashes a lot or is basically unimplemented. |
| 00:55.19 | SpeedEvil | You can in fact download it in qemu, and have a play. |
| 00:55.41 | Ward1983 | maybe i will |
| 00:56.40 | Ward1983 | sometimes a bit hard to find my way around to get information |
| 00:56.49 | Ward1983 | on the website i mean |
| 00:56.59 | Ward1983 | man i should have slept more lol |
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| 00:57.32 | Ward1983 | thanx for the info, i'll check back in a week or so :-) |
| 00:57.36 | Ward1983 | bye all |
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| 05:42.03 | mbuf | how can i make source code as well as binary (.ipk) available for a release in cvs (at GForge in projects.openmoko.org)? |
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| 06:04.47 | bewandered | greetings |
| 06:08.37 | bewandered | anyone else having trouble getting their neo1973 to register with the cell phone network? |
| 06:11.44 | mbuf | bewandered, no, which image are you using? |
| 06:11.58 | mbuf | bewandered, ATE1 will register to network |
| 06:12.53 | bewandered | i loaded the latest image available via the OS X flasher |
| 06:13.03 | bewandered | (checking) |
| 06:14.42 | bewandered | hmm where can i find the image name/rev? |
| 06:14.52 | bewandered | the flasher lists i as: |
| 06:15.23 | bewandered | openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070831093931.rootfs.jffs2 |
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| 06:21.17 | mbuf | bewandered, which operator? |
| 06:21.27 | bewandered | t-mobile, in the US |
| 06:22.42 | mbuf | bewandered, did you follow this? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd#Usage_of_atcmd_mode |
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| 06:23.18 | bewandered | i'm trying that right now :) |
| 06:24.30 | bewandered | i have found that most of them time, when i select "power-up GSM antenna" from the small antenna menu in the upper right, it seems to crash something -- the bar along the top of the phone disappears |
| 06:25.58 | mbuf | bewandered, i always start gsmd after power-up, "/etc/init.d/gsmd start" before I use it |
| 06:26.12 | bewandered | ah, OK |
| 06:27.06 | mbuf | bewandered, AFAIK, there is some gsm boot-up initialization timing issue, not sure if it has been resolved yet |
| 06:28.00 | bewandered | ok, the start seems to have worked. |
| 06:28.17 | bewandered | (slow going here, i'm trying with the keyboard on the screen) |
| 06:28.22 | bewandered | "typing" |
| 06:28.55 | mbuf | bewandered, ssh into the device, it is much faster and easier to operate that way |
| 06:29.21 | bewandered | yeah, unfortunately, i don't have a convenient way to do that yet |
| 06:29.27 | bewandered | my desktop is NetBSD |
| 06:30.35 | bewandered | i've enabled the Ethernet over USB stuff enabled in the kernel |
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| 06:31.07 | bewandered | but it doesn't recognize the device properly |
| 06:31.23 | bewandered | cdce0 at uhub1 port 2 configuration 1 interface 0 |
| 06:31.23 | bewandered | cdce0: Linux 2.6.20.7-moko8/s3c2410_udc RNDIS/Ethernet Gadget, rev 2.00/2.12, addr 2 |
| 06:31.23 | bewandered | cdce0: could not find data bulk in |
| 06:33.20 | bewandered | ok, looks like it found a network |
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| 06:33.29 | mbuf | bewandered, configuration 1 is correct, atleast that is what i see on the host Debian PC |
| 06:33.42 | bewandered | ok |
| 06:34.01 | bewandered | i have a Debian desktop at work, i can try it there in about 8 hours :) |
| 06:35.56 | bewandered | the man page, cdce(4) says this at the end: |
| 06:36.02 | bewandered | CAVEATS |
| 06:36.02 | bewandered | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.02 | bewandered | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.02 | bewandered | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.14 | bewandered | so it could be something related to that |
| 06:38.55 | mbuf | bewandered, not worked on BSDs that much, might want to check with the developers |
| 06:45.52 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3147 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (uboot-20061030-neo1973.patch uboot-mokoversion.patch): |
| 06:45.52 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Fix bug that caused precharge current only ~ 40..50mA instead of 80..100mA on |
| 06:45.52 | CIA-23 | openmoko: GTA01 (Wally Ritchie) Closes: #762 |
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| 06:47.59 | mbuf | does anyone know how to invoke a shell script from a GTK+ GUI? |
| 06:48.26 | stefan_schmidt | mbuf: Use the terminal? |
| 06:49.05 | mbuf | stefan_schmidt, i would like to integrate it with a GUI application |
| 06:49.51 | stefan_schmidt | mbuf: Ah, write a desktop file for it |
| 06:50.14 | stefan_schmidt | mbuf: Put it in the right directory and it should show up in the launcher |
| 06:50.26 | mbuf | stefan_schmidt, i see |
| 06:51.45 | mbuf | stefan_schmidt, newbie here, any documentation links? |
| 06:52.00 | stefan_schmidt | mbuf: Ragarding to the desktop files? |
| 06:52.07 | mbuf | stefan_schmidt, yes |
| 06:52.24 | stefan_schmidt | mbuf: There should be a spec at freedesktop.org |
| 06:52.37 | mbuf | stefan_schmidt, ok, thanks |
| 06:52.46 | stefan_schmidt | mbuf: But just have a look at the other files to get the syntax. It's really simple |
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| 06:54.06 | stefan_schmidt | mbuf: /usr/share/applications/openmoko-feedreader2.desktop |
| 06:54.15 | alphaone | mbuf: Or do you mean the use of fork/exec? |
| 06:55.22 | mbuf | alphaone, i want to execute "/etc/init.d/some-service" from the GTK+ GUI |
| 06:56.27 | alphaone | mbuf: Okay, so you want an icon in the launcher to start it? Then use a .desktop file. |
| 06:56.46 | mbuf | alphabeat, ok |
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| 07:06.09 | bewandered | mbuf, thanks for your help |
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| 07:08.01 | mbuf | bewandered, anytime |
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| 07:15.22 | stefan_schmidt | wow, 2 hours and 20 minutes for a complete build from scratch (sources already there) |
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| 07:16.35 | stefan_schmidt | If anybody looking for a good cpu for devel, go for a core2 quad :) |
| 07:18.16 | ScaredyCat | oh, wait, i have 2 of those machines in my pocket.... |
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| 07:19.36 | stefan_schmidt | ScaredyCat: Be careful with having them in the pocket. They get really hot during compile. ;) |
| 07:20.32 | ScaredyCat | boiled eggs eh ? ;) |
| 07:20.56 | stefan_schmidt | ScaredyCat: heh |
| 07:28.41 | stefan_schmidt | XorA|gone: Awake? |
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| 07:42.00 | abraxa__ | mbuf: Did you get your GTK+ problem solved yesterday? |
| 07:42.25 | mbuf | abraxa__, which one? |
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| 07:43.12 | mbuf | abraxa_, the scrollbar to be displayed fully for GtkTreeView? |
| 07:43.18 | mbuf | abraxa_, yes, http://free-opensource.qvantel.net/uploads/amc/amc-oct-11-2007.png |
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| 07:44.26 | abraxa_ | mbuf: You were looking for an example on how to get a GtkTreeView updated after a (separate) GtkTreeStore change |
| 07:44.57 | mbuf | abraxa_, i stored the data temporarily,and then update the GtkTreeStore with the values, and finally updated the GtkTreeView |
| 07:45.18 | mbuf | abraxa_, i am new to model-view-controller design :) learning something new daily though |
| 07:45.18 | abraxa_ | Ahh okay, so you solved it. Good =) |
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| 09:05.14 | cardone | Hi |
| 09:05.34 | cardone | I would purchase the neo1973 from openmoko.com.... |
| 09:05.38 | ntshan | ... |
| 09:05.44 | cardone | what about VAT for europe? |
| 09:06.06 | cardone | someone has already done? |
| 09:06.09 | XorA | cardone: courier will bill you for that |
| 09:09.33 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3148 10/trunk/doc/hardware/GTA02v3/ (. gpio.txt gpio.txt): gpio changes for GTA02v3 |
| 09:10.16 | zash` | cardone: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Shipping_Notes |
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| 09:14.28 | zash` | ( holy fucking crap, ~750 USD for a phone? ) |
| 09:14.46 | ntshan | wow i figured it'd gone down by now |
| 09:15.11 | cardone | zash`... |
| 09:15.29 | cardone | 750$ for what? |
| 09:15.34 | cardone | what model? |
| 09:15.39 | zash` | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Shipping_Notes#Sweden |
| 09:15.41 | cardone | witch model? |
| 09:15.49 | zash` | 450 + 127 + 172 |
| 09:15.54 | cardone | ah ok |
| 09:15.55 | cardone | VAT |
| 09:16.07 | zash` | mm |
| 09:16.22 | bedboi | omg |
| 09:16.38 | bedboi | I've been smart buying it when in the US |
| 09:16.46 | bedboi | i saved a LOOOT of money |
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| 09:24.54 | florian | good morning |
| 09:26.18 | ntshan | hi |
| 09:26.49 | gi-el | hm |
| 09:26.58 | gi-el | i don't understand the qtopia onscreen keyboard :( |
| 09:27.47 | mjr | me neither |
| 09:27.48 | CVirus | wtf is 750$ for ???? |
| 09:28.07 | gi-el | i can't manage to type simple messages :) |
| 09:28.20 | zash` | CVirus: 450 for phone and the rest is shipping and VAT |
| 09:28.29 | mjr | CVirus, neo advanced+ups express shipping+Swedish customs and duties |
| 09:28.34 | CVirus | ewwww |
| 09:28.50 | zash` | yay for taxes :D |
| 09:28.56 | CVirus | I hope I find someone abroad to buy it for me when it comes out |
| 09:28.57 | ljp | gi-el: what do you need to know about it? |
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| 09:29.51 | mjr | the OpenMoko guys have mentioned they're setting up a EU shipper for GTA02, should help costs inside EU at least |
| 09:30.43 | CVirus | infact .. I'm also dying for one :-( |
| 09:30.53 | guaqua | how large is the parcel from neo without the dev kit? |
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| 09:31.18 | guaqua | for what i know, normal postal delivery shouldn't be much...though if it's done via another courier, it costs more |
| 09:31.36 | guaqua | and taiwan :( |
| 09:31.47 | gi-el | ljp: i just want to type words |
| 09:31.49 | gi-el | ljp: in dutch |
| 09:31.53 | gi-el | ljp: with spaces in between |
| 09:32.03 | gi-el | without the thing trying to guess all kinds of stuff |
| 09:32.20 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03stefan * r3149 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-bt/ (ChangeLog configure.ac src/openmoko-panel-bt.c): |
| 09:32.20 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 2007-10-12 Stefan Schmidt <stefan@openmoko.org> |
| 09:32.20 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/openmoko-panel-bt.c: |
| 09:32.20 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * configure.ac: |
| 09:32.20 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Use libnotify dor showing changes instead of dialog boxes. Patch by |
| 09:32.22 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Alexandre d'Alton <alex@alexdalton.org> |
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| 09:55.52 | mbuf | why do i get CME ERROR: 3 for "AT+CLAC" ? are there any pre-requisite AT commands to be issued before it will work? |
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| 10:24.09 | pvanhoof | mickeyl, ping |
| 10:25.35 | mickeyl | hi pvanhoof. thanks for your document. I was on holidays and OEDEM, so I couldn't comment yet. will do soon. i'll also be in Taipei late next week, so I'll talk to Sean about everything administrative. |
| 10:25.43 | mickeyl | sorry, brief. I'm about to run for lunch |
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| 10:25.47 | pvanhoof | ok |
| 10:25.50 | pvanhoof | np :) |
| 10:25.50 | mickeyl | will be later here tonite |
| 10:25.53 | pvanhoof | you anwered all qs |
| 10:26.00 | mickeyl | hehe, ok :) |
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| 10:56.56 | mjr | a little something that would seem nice in some future device; http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=10894 |
| 10:58.54 | SpeedEvil | A much more interesting app is not fingerprint recognition. |
| 10:59.01 | SpeedEvil | It's finger identification. |
| 10:59.06 | CVirus | a 3.5'' LCD is the bes ever |
| 10:59.16 | SpeedEvil | And finger/pointer identification |
| 10:59.20 | CVirus | best* |
| 10:59.54 | SpeedEvil | The one problem is that it's not going to be able to detect touches when off. |
| 11:00.34 | SpeedEvil | The finger-ID lets you easily left and right click. |
| 11:01.17 | ynezz | and also two middle :p |
| 11:02.03 | SpeedEvil | And of course, there is a huge difference between 'demonstrated' and 'someones ordered a million, so we can put it into production'. |
| 11:03.13 | SpeedEvil | The comment about the lack of filters seems to misunderstand the technology. |
| 11:03.15 | mjr | yes indeed |
| 11:03.23 | SpeedEvil | Yes, there are less filters in this case. |
| 11:03.44 | SpeedEvil | However, the sensors will not be free, they are going to take up display area, reducing transmission. |
| 11:03.51 | SpeedEvil | So it may be a wash. |
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| 11:07.37 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3150 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer-panel.c src/moko-keypad.c): |
| 11:07.37 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer-panel.c: (moko_dialer_panel_init): |
| 11:07.37 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/moko-keypad.c: (on_panel_user_hold): |
| 11:07.37 | CIA-23 | openmoko: - Insert digits on "button down" |
| 11:07.37 | CIA-23 | openmoko: - Replace primary digit with secondary digit when tap-and-hold occurs |
| 11:11.25 | thos | that should help make the dialer more usable |
| 11:12.46 | zash` | secondary as in [pw+] ? |
| 11:13.26 | zash` | does it empty the input-field on tap-and-hold? |
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| 11:14.34 | zash` | tap&hold on delete-button |
| 11:15.33 | thos | zash`: I haven't fixed that one yet, but it does already |
| 11:15.57 | thos | zash`: that one still only works once you release the button |
| 11:16.31 | zash` | delete_button.tap_and_hold() { if(input_field.empty?) exit else input_field.empty! } |
| 11:18.04 | zash` | or, universal back-button like qtopia would be nice |
| 11:18.33 | thos | zash`: it does that already |
| 11:18.39 | thos | zash`: clear the input, that is |
| 11:18.54 | thos | zash`: it just doesn't do it until you release the button, instead of while you are holding it |
| 11:19.04 | thos | so hold + release will clear the input |
| 11:19.13 | thos | I am going to fix it so just hold will clear it |
| 11:19.16 | zash` | aha |
| 11:19.23 | zash` | nice :) |
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| 11:32.40 | mbuf | what is required to be added for a GTK+ application to use finger-scrolling? |
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| 11:39.46 | thos | mbuf: use the MokoFingerScroll widget |
| 11:39.50 | thos | as the scrolled window |
| 11:40.25 | mbuf | thos, i see |
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| 11:45.06 | abraxa_ | thos: Do you happen to have an idea how I can add padding to, say, a GtkImage in a themeable way? I tried using x-/ythickness in the RC file but that didn't have any effect at all... |
| 11:46.02 | thos | abraxa_: yeah, x/ythickness won't apply to GtkImage because it's not drawn using a theme |
| 11:46.25 | thos | abraxa_: perhaps put it inside a GtkFrame? |
| 11:48.59 | abraxa_ | thos: ...and give the frame the padding? Hmm, that might work, though I wonder if I can make the frame invisible. I guess setting shadow-type to GTK_SHADOW_NONE might do the trick... I'll try. |
| 11:49.04 | abraxa_ | thos: Thanks for the pointer :) |
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| 11:49.33 | thos | abraxa_: yeah |
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| 12:18.03 | cjb_ie | right, p910i getting too flaky, going back to my old visorphone |
| 12:18.21 | cjb_ie | at least until something else comes along ;-) |
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| 12:19.06 | jonibo | i keep getting blocked on building fontconfig because of some certificate that cannot be verified... it has been like this for a week, is nobody else seeing this: |
| 12:19.09 | jonibo | NOTE: fetch https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/fontconfig/device_symbols.h |
| 12:19.09 | jonibo | --14:14:50-- https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/fontconfig/device_symbols.h |
| 12:19.09 | jonibo | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.09 | jonibo | Resolving stage.maemo.org... 62.61.85.32 |
| 12:19.09 | jonibo | Connecting to stage.maemo.org|62.61.85.32|:443... connected. |
| 12:19.10 | jonibo | ERROR: Certificate verification error for stage.maemo.org: unable to get local issuer certificate |
| 12:19.12 | jonibo | To connect to stage.maemo.org insecurely, use `--no-check-certificate'. |
| 12:19.14 | jonibo | Unable to establish SSL connection. |
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| 12:23.17 | abraxa_ | jonibo: You can edit openembedded/conf/bitbake.conf and edit FETCHCOMMAND_wget to include --no-check-certificate if you want to do that |
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| 12:24.30 | abraxa_ | Also, what distri are you running? |
| 12:24.56 | jonibo | abraxa_: thanks... I will do that... I imagine though there is a "real" solution, too, which should go into openembedded...? |
| 12:25.03 | jonibo | i am running Ubuntu Gutsy. |
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| 12:25.31 | abraxa_ | Ah, hm... I would have had an idea if it had been gentoo, but alas... |
| 12:36.57 | emdete | i am currently experimenting with gprs alot and have some recommendation for reliable gprs connection for http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS - what is the policy? just edit the wiki (it's quite alot) or ask the original author first? |
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| 12:40.15 | PBeck | schönen wochenendanfang :D |
| 12:40.51 | zash` | emdete: edit away! |
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| 12:46.59 | avegas | hey, the production phones with WiFi are coming soon, no? |
| 12:47.13 | avegas | oh |
| 12:47.18 | avegas | just read the broadcast |
| 12:47.21 | avegas | apologies |
| 12:52.27 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3151 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-keypad.c): |
| 12:52.27 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/moko-keypad.c: Clear dialer display when delete button held down, |
| 12:52.27 | CIA-23 | openmoko: rather than only when held and released |
| 12:52.47 | thos | zash`: ok, clear button fixed now too :-) |
| 12:53.13 | zash` | :D |
| 12:54.15 | zash` | then there's just the matter of me not having a neo :/ |
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| 13:07.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 925 has been created by hrw(AT)openedhand.com |
| 13:07.02 | cdbot2 | * * Hanging out does not stop calling at gsmd level |
| 13:07.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=925 |
| 13:07.15 | cesarb | jonibo: you need (IIRC) the ca-certificates package |
| 13:07.47 | cesarb | jonibo: else curl doesn't have any CA certificates to check, and refuses to download from https without a successful verification |
| 13:08.07 | jonibo | cesarb: thanks... I did not know about that package! |
| 13:08.17 | cesarb | (curl or wget or whatever it uses...) |
| 13:09.29 | cesarb | jonibo: this probably should be added to the mokomakefile page, since it seems to be a faq... I've seen it asked several times around here already (and the "just change the fetch command advice" is just a workaround... the Right Way is to add the certificates) |
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| 13:13.13 | jonibo | cesarb: thanks... i installed the package and i will try again... i did not see the maemo.org certificate in the package, though... i believe that is what it was getting stuck on, some patch for fontconfig. |
| 13:13.21 | arw1 | hello |
| 13:13.25 | cesarb | jonibo: you will not see the maemo.org certificate |
| 13:13.47 | cesarb | jonibo: you will see the certificate of the CA authority which signed the maemo.org vertificate |
| 13:13.57 | jonibo | cesarb: of course... |
| 13:14.33 | cesarb | jonibo: or the certificate of the CA authority which signed the intermediate certificate(s) which signed the maemo.org certificate, and which unlike on microsoft websites is sent by the server together with the maemo.org certificate |
| 13:16.22 | ynezz | v4 is release right? |
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| 13:18.36 | cesarb | ynezz: it depends on how many hardware bugs have to be fixed |
| 13:20.15 | cesarb | ynezz: GTA01 had some six revisions before the GTA01Bv4 most of us know |
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| 13:29.02 | cesarb | jonibo: if it works, could you add a note to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile so other people won't get stuck in the same place? |
| 13:29.48 | jonibo | cesarb: ok, as soon as I've established that this works I'll fix up the wiki page |
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| 13:39.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 926 has been created by developer(AT)linuxmontreal.com |
| 13:39.01 | cdbot2 | * * Project mailing lists are broken. |
| 13:39.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=926 |
| 13:40.24 | tuukkah | hi cesarb! i'm sorry i can't understand what you're saying in #906, can you help me? |
| 13:41.20 | cesarb | tuukkah: basically, the comment was a lie due to a bug, and that's probably how ATH went through in the past |
| 13:41.52 | tuukkah | ok, so #906 appeared when the bug was fixed? |
| 13:41.57 | cesarb | tuukkah: now, the gsmd in OE (but not in the OM svn, it's all due to patches in the OE recipe) it seems more robust, and the command probably isn't being sent before the answer gets back |
| 13:42.28 | cesarb | tuukkah: however, I didn't look at the patches closely enough, so I cannot say for certain they really did that |
| 13:43.35 | tuukkah | i wonder what the solution will be |
| 13:43.56 | tuukkah | allow command pipelining again, or make some special case for ATD and ATH |
| 13:44.44 | cesarb | tuukkah: probably special-casing (or, rather, whitelisting some commands -- which sounds nicer even though it's the same thing), pipelining seems troublesome in general (see bug 766, for instance) |
| 13:45.04 | cesarb | tuukkah: the problem is that it seems some commands are interrupted by the mere sending of another unrelated command |
| 13:45.14 | cesarb | tuukkah: I've heard, for instance, that AT+COPS=? is one of them |
| 13:45.15 | tuukkah | yeah, ATD is one of those |
| 13:45.38 | tuukkah | that would mean it's ATH that should be whitelisted |
| 13:46.04 | cesarb | tuukkah: another option would be to create a new gsmd message, "force cancel dialing" or something like that, and gsmd would pipeline only for that particular message |
| 13:46.35 | cesarb | tuukkah: probably would be more elegant than whitelisting (it shows explicitly the cancelling intention of the app) |
| 13:47.27 | tuukkah | ok. that wouldn't work with libgsmd-tool --mode atcmd then, but perhaps that doesn't matter |
| 13:47.42 | cesarb | tuukkah: the main problem you would have would be: the gsmd in OE has diverged significantly from the one in OM, and harald probably won't accept patches for the OE one, and patching the OM one would break the patches in OE... |
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| 13:48.19 | cesarb | tuukkah: --mode atcmd probably should use a message which utterly allows pipelining always... if you use that DEBUGGING ONLY mode, you know what you are doing |
| 13:48.44 | tuukkah | cesarb, i see |
| 13:48.50 | cesarb | (of course, a no-pipelining passthrough would still be needed for apps which want to use things like AT%EM) |
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| 13:49.11 | tuukkah | (what's that?) |
| 13:50.00 | cesarb | tuukkah: AT%EM is an undocumented "engineering mode" command |
| 13:50.13 | cesarb | tuukkah: shows lots and lots of numbers |
| 13:50.31 | cesarb | tuukkah: most of them only make sense if you've read a lot of the GSM standards |
| 13:50.47 | tuukkah | i should read more :-) |
| 13:51.23 | cesarb | tuukkah: some people in this channel found a documentation for a "completely unrelated" ( ;-) ) chip which uses the exactly same engineering mode commands: Enfora IIE |
| 13:51.55 | cesarb | tuukkah: go find that chip's docs and grab them all, they are useful even if they sometimes don't apply (you know, "completely unrelated chip") |
| 13:53.35 | cesarb | (nitpicker's corner: yeah, I know it's a set of chips, not a chip...) |
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| 13:53.48 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/em.pdf |
| 13:54.01 | tuukkah | "Enfora Enabler IIE" - has edge too |
| 13:54.20 | tuukkah | SpeedEvil, 404 |
| 13:54.34 | cesarb | tuukkah: yeah, none of the EDGE commands apply, of course |
| 13:54.45 | cesarb | tuukkah: the % ones mostly apply, none of the * ones seem to |
| 13:55.37 | cesarb | tuukkah: and don't try ATAND, it doesn't work, returning what looks a lot like a bogus error (as if someone added a GOTO ERROR_OUT to the top of its handler), even if you try to set it to its current value |
| 13:55.42 | cesarb | urgh |
| 13:55.46 | cesarb | tuukkah: and don't try AT%BAND, it doesn't work, returning what looks a lot like a bogus error (as if someone added a GOTO ERROR_OUT to the top of its handler), even if you try to set it to its current value |
| 13:56.01 | cesarb | stupid bolding escape |
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| 13:57.31 | tuukkah | am i looking at the wrong document, this one doesn't have * commands |
| 13:59.56 | SpeedEvil | en.pdf? |
| 14:00.05 | SpeedEvil | ->tuu |
| 14:00.32 | tuukkah | SpeedEvil, thanks, got it |
| 14:00.39 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 14:00.46 | cesarb | tuukkah: I might be confusing with another one... |
| 14:01.30 | cesarb | tuukkah: sorry, it was $ not *, * was from something else |
| 14:02.20 | cesarb | tuukkah: the presence of a $OFF shows the $ ones were probably added later, much like neo's @ ones (@POFF for instance) |
| 14:02.31 | cesarb | tuukkah: the % ones seem to be the base set |
| 14:03.06 | tuukkah | heh, lingustics :-) |
| 14:03.17 | tuukkah | linguistics |
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| 14:04.39 | cesarb | tuukkah: ? |
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| 14:05.33 | tuukkah | cesarb, this is like the science of spoken languages: tracing their development in the history by comparing vocabulary etc. |
| 14:05.57 | cesarb | tuukkah: ah |
| 14:09.40 | tuukkah | i'm trying to find a list in the documents telling which commands are like ATD and AT+COPS=? |
| 14:10.02 | cesarb | tuukkah: you won't |
| 14:10.23 | cesarb | tuukkah: that's something you learn by trying |
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| 14:10.53 | tuukkah | cesarb, wow, that's very silly of the gsm standard then |
| 14:10.56 | cesarb | tuukkah: nothing in the docs I recall say that some commands are aborted by "pressing any key" like these |
| 14:11.19 | cesarb | tuukkah: I haven't however read them closely... |
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| 14:11.48 | cesarb | tuukkah: and it's possible that the canceling behaviour on ATD comes from the older AT standards (modems!) |
| 14:11.50 | tuukkah | cesarb, yes, perhaps this is mentioned in "small print" on the last page ;-) |
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| 14:11.58 | atul | How do i configure OpenMoko SDK with Anjuta or Eclipse IDE to develope OpenMoko application |
| 14:12.16 | tuukkah | atul, do we have an SDK? |
| 14:12.23 | atul | yes |
| 14:12.51 | cesarb | atul: does the SDK package even compile? I don't think it's even been tested |
| 14:13.06 | atul | cesarb, yes |
| 14:13.30 | atul | cesarb, Actually i dont no exactly I am new to platform |
| 14:13.31 | cesarb | (it's openmoko-sdk-image for those who never saw it) |
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| 14:14.04 | cesarb | atul: nobody I know of is using that, everyone is using OE directly or compiling by hand |
| 14:14.16 | atul | yes I also use OE |
| 14:14.26 | atul | OM2007.2 build |
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| 14:14.45 | cesarb | atul: I meant directly creating a OE recipe to compile their own creations ;-) |
| 14:15.27 | atul | cesarb, so does u mean that i can't develope OpenMoko application on Anjuta IDE |
| 14:15.40 | atul | or using Anjuta IDE |
| 14:16.11 | cesarb | atul: I don't know Anjuta, but if you can configure things like compiler paths, include file paths, and so, probably you can... just don't expect a point-and-click setup |
| 14:16.55 | atul | cesarb, Anjuta a simple IDE for GTK, GNOME developement |
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| 14:18.07 | Sup3rkiddo | emacs'ers we know our man :P |
| 14:18.22 | guaqua | cesarb: still gvim :) |
| 14:18.34 | Sup3rkiddo | now thats two |
| 14:18.40 | cesarb | Sup3rkiddo: hey, it was emacs which led me to want a real unix instead of DOS+Win3.1 ;-) |
| 14:18.46 | Sup3rkiddo | lol |
| 14:18.57 | cesarb | (and then on unix I found vim...) |
| 14:19.08 | Sup3rkiddo | ..and a text editor |
| 14:19.32 | cesarb | Sup3rkiddo: DOS had "edit.exe", which wasn't that bad (for DOS standards) |
| 14:19.55 | Sup3rkiddo | hehe |
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| 14:20.13 | atul | tuukkah, sorry we dont have any SDK for openmoko |
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| 14:20.33 | prpplague | hrw: ping |
| 14:21.04 | mbuf | if i create a new GtkTreeView and GtkTreeStore everytime user clicks a button, the new view gets appended to the previous one! how do i fix that? or should i use a different approach? |
| 14:21.16 | cesarb | atul: before I get too offtopic: you probably will have to change the compiler paths to within build/tmp/cross/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ and the include, lib, etc paths to inside build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ |
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| 14:21.50 | atul | cesarb, ok |
| 14:21.51 | cesarb | atul: if you do it right, you should then be able to compile directly from the IDE to an ARM EABI binary |
| 14:21.51 | prpplague | anyone know where the neo1973 hardware block diagram is? |
| 14:22.04 | atul | cesarb, ok |
| 14:22.05 | cesarb | prpplague: there isn't one |
| 14:22.23 | cesarb | prpplague: but see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware |
| 14:22.29 | prpplague | cesarb: hmm, i could have sworn i saw a block diagram on the wiki before |
| 14:22.45 | prpplague | cesarb: yea thats where i looked |
| 14:22.46 | cesarb | prpplague: it was probably the audio chip one, showing the _inside_ of _one_ of the audio chips |
| 14:23.02 | cesarb | prpplague: that block diagram came from the chip's docs |
| 14:23.29 | cesarb | prpplague: the neo is way more complex than that... the sheer amount of power domains and audio connections, for instance |
| 14:23.47 | tuukkah | there was a promise somewhere that we have a block diagram |
| 14:23.50 | cesarb | prpplague: I tried making a block diagram, but gave up... way too many things to link |
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| 14:24.15 | cesarb | tuukkah: they don't have time for that yet... (but we do have info enough to make our own, it's just a lot of work!) |
| 14:24.36 | tuukkah | for example here "The block diagram of the hardware, the chip identification, and the APIs for all hardware is published." http://www.ubuntulive.com/cs/ubuntu/view/e_sess/14821 |
| 14:25.15 | tuukkah | i should learn more inkscape anyway :-) |
| 14:25.16 | cesarb | tuukkah: ...except where they can't (for instance, the LCM, the GSM chipset...) ;-) |
| 14:26.26 | prpplague | tuukkah: ahh thanks |
| 14:26.54 | tuukkah | prpplague? |
| 14:27.08 | cesarb | prpplague: ah, and there was a block diagram of the power domains, for an older neo revision, somewhere outside the wiki... you perhaps saw that |
| 14:27.17 | hrw | prpplague: i |
| 14:27.44 | prpplague | yea, now i remember it was part of one of the presentations on the openmoko |
| 14:28.13 | tuukkah | prpplague, would be interesting to find and publish it |
| 14:30.47 | tuukkah | cesarb, "The modem guideline V.25ter applies to the sequence of the interface commands. -- A command currently in process is interrupted by each additional character entered." |
| 14:31.19 | cesarb | tuukkah: hm, that means pipelining is always wrong... great finding |
| 14:31.21 | dtx | Man I can't wait for the Neo to come out |
| 14:31.31 | cesarb | tuukkah: it also explains bug 766 nicely |
| 14:31.34 | dtx | I like my N800 but the Neo is so nice and portable |
| 14:32.26 | cesarb | dtx: I can't wait for the Neo _software_ to come out ;-) |
| 14:32.39 | cesarb | dtx: it's still far enough from being usable |
| 14:32.43 | tuukkah | cesarb, so perhaps add a gsmd call for interrupt which sends "AT" |
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| 14:32.58 | cesarb | tuukkah: race-condition prone |
| 14:33.15 | cesarb | tuukkah: what if the dialing finishes while you are sending the interrupt-that! command to gsmd? |
| 14:33.33 | cesarb | tuukkah: we're talking asymetric multi-processing here, after all... |
| 14:33.45 | tuukkah | cesarb, there's no problem, that's why i chose AT which doesn't actually do anything |
| 14:33.45 | cesarb | tuukkah: sending ATH is better for interrupting dialing |
| 14:34.08 | cesarb | tuukkah: since if dialing ends before the ATH gets sent it'll still do what is wanted |
| 14:34.18 | tuukkah | if you want to hang up, you would first interrupt and then send ATH |
| 14:34.41 | hrw | prpplague: pöng |
| 14:35.13 | tuukkah | cesarb, what about interrupt_and_send(cmd) |
| 14:37.43 | dtx | I just want the hardware to come out |
| 14:37.51 | dtx | So I can mess with the software |
| 14:38.12 | dtx | Get Inkscape working on it for that collaborative whiteboard thing |
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| 15:04.48 | johann | Hi there |
| 15:06.10 | johann | I got my openmoko gta01bv4 :) , After flashing the kernel and the root fs everything seemed to work. |
| 15:06.19 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 15:06.28 | cesarb | johann: welcome to the club :-) |
| 15:06.36 | alphaone | johann: congratulations |
| 15:06.58 | johann | But the I tried to flash the u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0.... and now my openmoko stays BLACK :O |
| 15:07.22 | johann | I hope I did not detstroy it?!?!?! :| |
| 15:07.53 | cesarb | johann: that's not called destroying, it's called bricking, and it's recoverable with the debug board |
| 15:08.34 | johann | Okay, so I was stupid just to get the tiny 300USD version!? |
| 15:08.41 | SpeedEvil | What was the exact command you ran? |
| 15:09.10 | johann | I'm using MacOSX on a MacBook (Intel) and used the OpenMoko Flasher |
| 15:09.13 | alphaone | johann: Do you have a debug board? If not you can try to find a moko user group in your area with someone with a debug board. |
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| 15:09.26 | cesarb | johann: not if you know of someone with a debug board nearby, or are somewhere with a high concentration of people with neos |
| 15:09.34 | johann | While flashing it showed: |
| 15:09.36 | johann | Starting download: [##################################################] finished! |
| 15:09.48 | alphaone | Or you could call for help on device-owners |
| 15:09.51 | johann | state(2) = dfuIDLE, status(0) = No error condition is present |
| 15:10.01 | johann | Done! |
| 15:10.01 | johann | Resetting USB to switch back to runtime mode |
| 15:10.07 | alphaone | johann: What version exactly did you flash? |
| 15:10.21 | cesarb | johann: that output looks normal, but it's a mac... most people develop/flash on linux |
| 15:10.39 | cesarb | johann: the mac flasher is probably less tested |
| 15:11.23 | SpeedEvil | Though AIUI there have been no other brick reports. |
| 15:11.33 | SpeedEvil | (due to that) |
| 15:11.38 | johann | I flashed the u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+svnnow-r14_a89....._a0_2938.bin (dated 07-SEPT-2007) |
| 15:11.43 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: but have people ever used that flasher on uboot? |
| 15:12.02 | alphaone | johann: And you downloaded it from buildhost? |
| 15:12.06 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: good question. I know I absolutely have not flashed uboot. |
| 15:12.16 | SpeedEvil | Simply because the shipped version works well enough. |
| 15:12.20 | alphaone | johann: Can you post the exact command you used to flash? |
| 15:12.39 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: I flashed uboot once (but then I'm on ubuntu), only to avoid the "nand erase rootfs" annoyance |
| 15:12.54 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: but then with the very well-tested "august snapshot" uboot |
| 15:13.06 | johann | okay here is my complete output from OpenMoko Flasher (MacOSX): |
| 15:13.08 | johann | Opening USB Device 0x0000:0x0000... |
| 15:13.08 | johann | Found Runtime: [0x1457:0x5119] devnum=0, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=1, name="u-boot" |
| 15:13.08 | johann | Claiming USB DFU Interface... |
| 15:13.09 | johann | Setting Alternate Setting ... |
| 15:13.09 | johann | Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0 |
| 15:13.09 | johann | dfuIDLE, continuing |
| 15:13.11 | johann | Transfer Size = 0x1000 |
| 15:13.13 | johann | bytes_per_hash=4271 |
| 15:13.15 | johann | Starting download: [##################################################] finished! |
| 15:13.17 | johann | state(2) = dfuIDLE, status(0) = No error condition is present |
| 15:13.19 | johann | Done! |
| 15:13.21 | johann | Resetting USB to switch back to runtime mode |
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| 15:13.41 | ScaredyCat | pastebin |
| 15:13.47 | mickeyl | ~praise dfu upload and LaF0rge insisting on standards! |
| 15:13.48 | apt | All hail dfu upload and LaF0rge insisting on standards!! |
| 15:14.34 | johann | does anyone of you live in austria (or germany) |
| 15:14.40 | tuukkah | could be simply a broken uboot version couldn't it? |
| 15:14.44 | johann | and has a devboard? |
| 15:15.15 | johann | tuukkah, yes maybe... |
| 15:15.36 | alphaone | johann: We have a couple of guys in germany. |
| 15:15.51 | alphaone | Many in Berlin or braunschweig or frankfurt |
| 15:15.59 | tuukkah | that's why you're not supposed to flash a uboot unless you have the dev board or know what you're doing |
| 15:16.19 | tuukkah | johann, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Vienna |
| 15:16.37 | alphaone | okay, gotta go |
| 15:16.45 | alphaone | good luck johann! |
| 15:17.21 | tuukkah | and http://metalab.at/wiki/OpenMoko |
| 15:17.43 | johann | GREAT, Thank you! There's someone near my location. THANK you a lot! And sorry for my stupidness!!!! d:) |
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| 15:21.24 | tuukkah | johann, you're welcome |
| 15:23.11 | johann | cesarb: I shoul have read this before flashing my device :( |
| 15:23.33 | cesarb | johann: at least you didn't plug the usb without the battery |
| 15:23.40 | cesarb | johann: which is the scariest one on that page ;-) |
| 15:24.26 | cesarb | johann: unbricking tends to be easy unless you are in some place where nobody has a neo nearby... like Rio de Janeiro (which is why I got the lunchbox option) |
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| 15:26.20 | tuukkah | i convinced my university to order some and they should be here soon with a debug board |
| 15:27.07 | tuukkah | the first thing i'll do is update uboot :-) |
| 15:27.32 | guaqua | which university is that, tuukkah? |
| 15:27.48 | tuukkah | university of jyväskylä, finland |
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| 15:27.53 | guaqua | okay |
| 15:28.22 | tuukkah | not near you? |
| 15:29.18 | tuukkah | in any case, you should be on #openmoko-fi :-) |
| 15:29.21 | guaqua | im in helsinki :) |
| 15:33.46 | Henryk | anyone know whether anyone is working on making things like the ssh host key survive a rootfs reflash? |
| 15:35.16 | thos | Henryk: it can't |
| 15:35.29 | tuukkah | would it fit in the uboot environment? |
| 15:35.52 | Henryk | thos: wrong answer :-) |
| 15:35.52 | Vegar | Henryk: store it in the SD |
| 15:36.26 | thos | Henryk: I was about to say, unless you save it from the previous image |
| 15:36.53 | tuukkah | they're just a couple of hundred bytes so uboot env could be fine |
| 15:39.31 | Henryk | i was also aiming in the direction of e.g. a fixed MAC address for cdc_ether |
| 15:42.06 | SpeedEvil | That'd be nice. |
| 15:42.20 | tuukkah | also in uboot env? |
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| 15:42.38 | tuukkah | do we still lack a way to read and write the env from linux? |
| 15:42.58 | SpeedEvil | dd works - but may often crash the phone. |
| 15:43.15 | tuukkah | any idea why's that? |
| 15:43.27 | tuukkah | and you need to calculate the checksum? |
| 15:44.48 | XorA | Henryk: NSLU2 has a method for this |
| 15:45.24 | XorA | Henryk: org.openembedded.dev/packages/sysconf/sysconf_0.1.bb |
| 15:47.36 | tuukkah | XorA, does it use nvram? |
| 15:47.50 | XorA | tuukkah: mtd AFAIK |
| 15:48.11 | XorA | ask rwhitby its his baby |
| 15:48.39 | tuukkah | oh, they have separate partition for it |
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| 15:52.05 | tuukkah | they save config files too |
| 15:53.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 927 has been created by thomas(AT)openedhand.com |
| 15:53.02 | cdbot2 | * * Application list not updated when new applications are installed |
| 15:53.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=927 |
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| 16:57.53 | Zero_Chaos | Is there a pre-order planned for the next openmoko released? |
| 16:58.23 | Zero_Chaos | (the phone obviously) |
| 16:59.59 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03chris * r3154 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c): |
| 16:59.59 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c: |
| 16:59.59 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (moko_finger_scroll_button_press_cb): |
| 16:59.59 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Add fix for when widgets grab X after a click inside MokoFingerScroll |
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| 17:13.26 | tuukkah | cesarb, if i remove AT+COLP=1 from the modem init, ATD returns immediately and ATH can be sent normally |
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| 17:23.50 | cesarb | tuukkah: but some people might want it (what is it for? caller-id of the number you just called?) |
| 17:25.05 | tuukkah | something like that. i don't understand why that setting has to change when ATD returns :-( |
| 17:25.21 | cesarb | tuukkah: see 07.07 for the explanation |
| 17:25.34 | tuukkah | i've looked |
| 17:25.55 | cesarb | tuukkah: it seems it makes the modem return an intermediate response before the final response to ATD |
| 17:25.59 | tuukkah | "This command refers to the GSM/UMTS supplementary service COLP (Connected Line Identification Presentation) that enables a calling subscriber to get the connected line identity (COL) of the called party after setting up a mobile originated call." |
| 17:26.10 | cesarb | tuukkah: but that intermediate response comes from the network... |
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| 17:26.43 | tuukkah | why didn't they make it an unsolicited response like CLIP :-( |
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| 17:27.16 | cesarb | "When enabled (and called subscriber allows), +COLP: [...] intermediate result code is returned from TA to TE before any +CR or V.25ter [14] responses." |
| 17:27.51 | tuukkah | yeah, i did read it, but i don't understand the decision to make it like that |
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| 17:28.41 | tuukkah | it's not very useful either. the response here is +COLP: "",128 |
| 17:28.57 | cesarb | tuukkah: I'd suppose it'd be useful if your network supports it |
| 17:29.20 | cesarb | tuukkah: do a "AT+COLP?" to check |
| 17:29.40 | cesarb | tuukkah: if the second number isn't 1, according to that page of the standard your network doesn't have it |
| 17:32.10 | tuukkah | it's 2 so it's unknown status |
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| 17:36.21 | Mammux72 | Hi. I'm trying to set up my newly received neo1973, but I have a problem: what's the easiest way to set up forwarding / bridging / masquerading / natting / whatever on my linux pc host so the phone can get things from the net? |
| 17:36.52 | juri_ | if you're using debian, just "apt-get install ipmasq". |
| 17:36.52 | Mammux72 | I've tried with iptables, but I can't get it to work: the PREROUTING and POSTROUTING chains are missing, and those are the ones used by the examples I've sen. |
| 17:37.09 | Mammux72 | I'm 'using' Linux From Scratch. |
| 17:37.23 | juri_ | ah. prerouting and postrouting are probably built as modules. |
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| 17:37.52 | tuukkah | Mammux72, ip_nat and iptable_nat |
| 17:38.11 | tuukkah | ipt_MASQUERADE |
| 17:39.01 | ww | query: if one attempts to read in a rootfs.jffs2 that is too large... |
| 17:39.08 | Mammux72 | I've recompiled my kernel with all the relevant things selected and no modules. Then I recompiled iptables in case it had some old settings picked up, but no luck. |
| 17:39.39 | tuukkah | Mammux72, i suppose you've read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Automatic_method |
| 17:40.07 | Mammux72 | Yes, but I don't have a distribution per se and the manual method doesn't seem to include nat/masq. |
| 17:40.47 | tuukkah | well the nat is just iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 17:41.06 | ww | help? |
| 17:41.24 | ww | haven't seen the neo since: GTA01Bv4 # ext2load mmc 0 0x32000000 rootfs.jffs2 |
| 17:41.33 | tuukkah | ww, was that a question :-) |
| 17:41.40 | Mammux72 | ww, do you have a debug board |
| 17:42.04 | ww | no... so answer is must use jtag? |
| 17:42.22 | ww | i can possibly borrow one though |
| 17:42.34 | cesarb | ww: what are the symptoms? |
| 17:42.50 | cesarb | ww: doesn't turn on? doesn't turn off? |
| 17:42.51 | Mammux72 | That's the advice I've heard before. What happens if you turn it on with aux pressed? |
| 17:42.59 | tuukkah | Mammux72, "iptables -t nat -L" should show the tables. if it doesn't it must be your kernel |
| 17:43.07 | ww | pretty colours on the screen as it overwrote video memory... |
| 17:43.15 | ww | usb serial stopped responding... |
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| 17:43.22 | ww | doesn't turn off... |
| 17:43.24 | cesarb | ww: it's just the RAM and the CPU state |
| 17:43.30 | cesarb | ww: do a hard power off |
| 17:43.36 | ww | removed the battery... |
| 17:43.40 | cesarb | ww: aka "remote the battery for an arbitrary amount of time" |
| 17:43.40 | ww | doesn't turn on... |
| 17:43.51 | ww | (replaced the battery) |
| 17:44.37 | cesarb | ww: unless you managed to scribble over some register which wrote junk to the flash, it's probably just in some strange state |
| 17:44.44 | Mammux72 | tuukkah: ah they show up .. I thought they would show with just "iptables -L". |
| 17:44.54 | Mammux72 | tuukkah: thanks! |
| 17:45.26 | tuukkah | Mammux72, so the next question is why it doesn't work |
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| 17:45.44 | cesarb | ww: see for instance <1192096276.30686.5.camel@pc> on device-owners |
| 17:46.16 | cesarb | ww: there it was revived after 13 hours without power |
| 17:46.42 | cesarb | ww: now, just hope you didn't scribble evil things over the _gpio_ registers... some pins just aren't meant to be used as outputs, if you get what I mean |
| 17:48.11 | Mammux72 | tuukkah: yeah, I'll retrace my steps and see if I get it to work now |
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| 17:49.01 | ww | hrmmm... |
| 17:49.40 | Mammux72 | Yay it works! |
| 17:49.57 | cesarb | ww: your flashing of uboot will not be the cause, if the problem happened after that command |
| 17:50.16 | ww | yes, that seemed to go fine |
| 17:50.18 | cesarb | ww: uboot commands still count as playing with uboot ;-) |
| 17:50.22 | ww | using the latest 2007.08 snapshot |
| 17:51.56 | ww | i've now replaced the battery and tried again to no avail... |
| 17:52.15 | ww | i basically followed the instructions starting from |
| 17:52.18 | ww | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#Boot_menu |
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| 17:53.18 | ww | but blindly wrote the rootfs which was too big... |
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| 17:55.43 | ww | cesarb: now if uboot ran forth... |
| 17:56.14 | cesarb | ww: you should try having the battery out for more than half a day (someone said at least 13 hours) |
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| 17:57.23 | cesarb | ww: perhaps ext2load should have some more protections (hard to do, since it looks like it's *meant* to be able to scribble over anything...) |
| 18:00.38 | prpplague | as long as you have jtag you are good |
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| 18:02.30 | abraxa_ | cesarb: Maybe marking those pages would be a good idea |
| 18:04.26 | cesarb | abraxa_: well, as the one who started http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_disclaimers_in_articles, I'm not exactly fond of adding these markers on every page... |
| 18:04.39 | cesarb | abraxa_: (even if it isn't wikipedia) |
| 18:04.40 | Mammux72 | I got networking to work now, and updated gsmd with ipkg (and rebooted). Unfortunately, I'm still unable to use gsm. Gsmd seems to start ok, but it never seems to get any response from the gsm modem (I'm looking at /tmp/gsm.log). |
| 18:05.18 | ww | prpplague: indeed... |
| 18:05.38 | Mammux72 | I get 'submitting commnad ATZ, submitting AT+CFUN=1' etc, but no responses. |
| 18:10.12 | Mammux72 | .. actually, right after I've restarted gsmd, it works for the initial setup. But then if I connect with libgsm-tool and start doing things (even power-on power-off) there's no response. |
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| 18:38.26 | StylusEater_Work | hi der_io |
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| 18:38.36 | StylusEater_Work | hi El_Salvador |
| 18:38.38 | der_io | hi StylusEater_Work |
| 18:41.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 928 has been created by Tuukka.Hastrup(AT)iki.fi |
| 18:41.02 | cdbot2 | * * implement AT command interrupt/cancel |
| 18:41.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=928 |
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| 18:58.03 | xx14 | just got the phone here, can't seem to ssh in... is there a password? |
| 18:58.19 | SpeedEvil | You need to install a rootfs and kernel |
| 18:58.29 | xx14 | did that, no problem |
| 18:58.33 | SpeedEvil | see the URL on the little coaster that came with the phone |
| 18:58.35 | SpeedEvil | ah. |
| 18:58.38 | SpeedEvil | there is no password |
| 18:58.41 | SpeedEvil | just hit enter |
| 18:58.47 | SpeedEvil | do you have an ethernet interface? |
| 18:58.56 | xx14 | usbnet |
| 18:59.11 | xx14 | i can ping it, and i get a passwd prompt on ssh |
| 18:59.17 | SpeedEvil | Something like: |
| 18:59.22 | SpeedEvil | just hit enter |
| 18:59.28 | xx14 | doesn't work ;) |
| 18:59.31 | SpeedEvil | at password prompt |
| 18:59.43 | StylusEater_Work | hrm. |
| 18:59.46 | SpeedEvil | you are sure you're sshing to the phone - 192.168.0.202 ? |
| 18:59.57 | xx14 | Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive) |
| 19:00.03 | xx14 | after 3 attempts |
| 19:00.04 | SpeedEvil | Or is Odd. |
| 19:00.07 | SpeedEvil | Odd |
| 19:00.25 | cesarb | xx14: are you trying to login to the root user? |
| 19:00.28 | xx14 | actually it's on 192.168.0.200 |
| 19:00.30 | StylusEater_Work | did the image you flashed have a root pass set? |
| 19:00.38 | SpeedEvil | XXLT: you're sshing to your local box |
| 19:00.47 | SpeedEvil | XXLT: the phone is on 192.168.0.202 |
| 19:01.04 | SpeedEvil | (probably) |
| 19:01.06 | xx14 | oki... but the ping goes away when i unplug |
| 19:01.10 | SpeedEvil | It will |
| 19:01.14 | SpeedEvil | as the interface goes down |
| 19:01.20 | SpeedEvil | and no longer has that IP |
| 19:01.32 | xx14 | ok, so why isn't there anything on 202? |
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| 19:02.17 | xx14 | i thought the gentoo section of the manual was kindda short, never mentioned anything about 202 |
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| 19:02.37 | SpeedEvil | ssh localhost |
| 19:02.43 | SpeedEvil | do you get the same banner you got before? |
| 19:02.59 | SpeedEvil | It should be ssh phone |
| 19:03.00 | SpeedEvil | root@phone's password: |
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| 19:03.43 | xx14 | yeahm ok that was the lockalhost ;)) |
| 19:03.50 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 19:04.09 | SpeedEvil | I wish I could say that you are clearly stupid. |
| 19:04.17 | xx14 | so why isn't there anything on 202 |
| 19:04.19 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunately, I know why this happens for a reason :) |
| 19:04.21 | xx14 | anything stopping you? |
| 19:04.32 | xx14 | ;) |
| 19:04.41 | SpeedEvil | what happens when you ssh to 192.168.0.202 - with the cable plugged in? |
| 19:05.41 | StylusEater_Work | how functional is the dialer/phone portion? |
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| 19:05.48 | XXLT | fn'SpeedEvil: XXLT: the phone is on 192.168.0.202 |
| 19:05.48 | xx14 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.48 | xx14 | PING 192.168.0.202 (192.168.0.202) from 192.168.0.200 usb0: 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 19:05.48 | xx14 | --- 192.168.0.202 ping statistics --- |
| 19:05.48 | xx14 | 7 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 6010ms |
| 19:06.01 | XXLT | i don't have that phone right now :) |
| 19:06.02 | SpeedEvil | XXLT: I'd try: |
| 19:06.06 | SpeedEvil | ifconfig usb0 down |
| 19:06.13 | SpeedEvil | ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 |
| 19:06.18 | SpeedEvil | ssh 192.168.0.202 |
| 19:06.22 | SpeedEvil | see what that does. |
| 19:06.36 | buz | is there any cheap device with wifi i could run openmoko on (as mp3 player on the hifi system that is ;) |
| 19:07.00 | SpeedEvil | buz: Umm. |
| 19:07.14 | buz | (200$ for a nokia 770 is not really cheap, no ;) |
| 19:07.21 | SpeedEvil | I seem to recall somebody has run it on a router. |
| 19:07.27 | SpeedEvil | (clearly without display) |
| 19:07.35 | buz | well technically i could use an asus router with usb audio |
| 19:07.41 | buz | but that sort of defeats the point |
| 19:07.48 | buz | it not being able to control music ;) |
| 19:08.09 | buz | palm tx isnt exactly cheap, either |
| 19:08.34 | SpeedEvil | A router, with a IRDA thingy? |
| 19:08.40 | xx14 | SpeedEvil: it just hangs, the ssh |
| 19:08.40 | SpeedEvil | IR reciever rathre |
| 19:08.44 | SpeedEvil | and a remote control |
| 19:08.49 | SpeedEvil | XXLT: is the phone alive? |
| 19:08.55 | buz | still not very useful to navigate a huge collection |
| 19:08.58 | SpeedEvil | xx14: if you press the screen |
| 19:09.00 | buz | i'd rather use an old ipod then ;) |
| 19:09.03 | xx14 | hai |
| 19:09.13 | buz | of which i actually have one ;) |
| 19:09.27 | buz | maybe i should just fill that one up ;) |
| 19:09.35 | xx14 | yeah, it's interactive |
| 19:09.39 | buz | not quite as neat but works wihtout server being on |
| 19:10.45 | SpeedEvil | xx14: ssh simply does nothing and hangs? |
| 19:10.52 | xx14 | yep |
| 19:10.56 | SpeedEvil | xx14: what does ssh -v do? |
| 19:11.24 | xx14 | i have the august snapshot images of kernel and root, are those ok? |
| 19:11.54 | xx14 | debug1: Connecting to 192.168.0.202 [192.168.0.202] port 22. |
| 19:11.54 | xx14 | debug1: connect to address 192.168.0.202 port 22: No route to host |
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| 19:12.16 | SpeedEvil | xx14: that's odd. |
| 19:12.44 | xx14 | must have messed up the configuration in some way |
| 19:13.49 | xx14 | tadaa, im in |
| 19:13.56 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 19:14.47 | xx14 | it needed a route |
| 19:15.13 | xx14 | route add 192.168.0.202 usb0 did the trick |
| 19:19.20 | xx14 | so what's next? ipkg update? |
| 19:19.49 | Ghiottone | hello! |
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| 19:31.35 | moprilo | hey guys.. probably everyone comes here n asks the same thing.. Is it out there.. (buyable) a openmoko neo with wifi? |
| 19:31.48 | mjr | No |
| 19:31.54 | cjb_ie | december-ish |
| 19:32.01 | mjr | and that indeed would be the GTA02, which is referenced to in the topic |
| 19:32.15 | moprilo | cool |
| 19:32.24 | moprilo | can i do pree orders? jeje |
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| 19:35.07 | *** topic/#openmoko is The OpenMoko Project - http://openmoko.org - Neo1973 GTA01 on sale at https://direct.openmoko.com || Do not ask about GTA02 (December as of last update, yes, that's the one with WiFi). |
| 19:35.07 | prpplague | buz: "damn V8" ? |
| 19:35.16 | buz | !V8 |
| 19:35.24 | buz | mhh that joke must be dead then |
| 19:35.40 | buz | considering you can get a sony p1i for less than 450$, that seems a bit too much |
| 19:36.16 | prpplague | buz: must be, since i have no clue what you are refering to |
| 19:36.34 | mjr | ozarka, :) |
| 19:36.48 | buz | back in the days, people would come here, clamoring for this and that (mostly wifi and cam) which lead some people to suggest the neo would be doomed without a V8 |
| 19:37.35 | prpplague | buz: V8 == car engine ? |
| 19:38.03 | buz | yes |
| 19:38.11 | prpplague | ahh |
| 19:38.13 | ozarka | GTA02 is a waste. I'm waiting for GTA03: wifi, gps, 8 megapixel camera, Windows Mobile 7. |
| 19:38.14 | buz | because, obviously, every phone needs one |
| 19:39.20 | guaqua | GTA05 with cell processor |
| 19:39.24 | guaqua | nuff said ;) |
| 19:39.33 | buz | lol |
| 19:39.48 | buz | i rather get power6 in my mocket |
| 19:39.50 | buz | pocket |
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| 19:40.22 | buz | gta03 with qwerty and cam would be the definite phone |
| 19:40.52 | buz | essentially a a htc vox running linux and with vga display ;) |
| 19:41.18 | xx14 | where should the nameserver in resolv.conf point to? |
| 19:41.34 | juri_ | personally, i think we should improve on the functionality of the n770/n800, and release a neo as a nokia replacement, with built-in phone. ;P |
| 19:42.08 | buz | the nX are too big for a phone |
| 19:42.20 | emdete | could someone do me a favor? i changed my config alot. how does dns work in the original image? ppp/ip-up requires /etc/resolv.conf to be a symllink... is that so? can someone tell me what `ls -l /etc/resolv.conf` says? |
| 19:42.22 | mwester | xx14: to your nameserver -- same one as the host on the other end of the USB cable, usually. |
| 19:42.35 | juri_ | buz: not to me. i already carry a n770 around with me everywhere. |
| 19:42.46 | buz | most people would say neo is too big, already |
| 19:42.49 | emdete | xx14: this is funny :D |
| 19:42.57 | juri_ | buz: people are strange. :) |
| 19:43.05 | mwester | emdete: There is no /etc/resolv.conf AFAIK, and I fixed it by creating it -- no symlinks involved. |
| 19:43.10 | buz | a square neo with 3,8" vga would be ideal |
| 19:43.30 | buz | or maybe not square ;) |
| 19:43.33 | emdete | mwester: you need it to symlink to /var/run/resolv.conf to make ppp work |
| 19:43.39 | Elrond | buz - The neo is already quite big for a phone. |
| 19:43.50 | buz | Elrond: i just said that |
| 19:44.02 | emdete | buz: you may be right - did you see a iphone touch? |
| 19:44.03 | Elrond | Huh, yeah. |
| 19:44.08 | Elrond | My mum said the same. |
| 19:44.13 | buz | once |
| 19:44.28 | buz | it looks nifty, but the closedness ensures i will never buy one |
| 19:44.41 | buz | i have a tablet pc, and let me tell you, it's entirely useless |
| 19:44.46 | ozarka | I don't want a tablet PC for a phone. |
| 19:44.56 | buz | you dont want a tabletpc. full stop. |
| 19:45.09 | juri_ | i like my nokia. subtablet works. |
| 19:45.10 | emdete | mwester: so in the original image there is no /etc/resolv.conf? shure? |
| 19:45.10 | ozarka | I just want a phone that can host my e-commerce web site... and take good pictures. |
| 19:45.15 | ozarka | Is that too much to ask? |
| 19:45.15 | xx14 | mwester: didn't seem to work |
| 19:46.10 | mwester | ozarka: ;) Should it keep your coffee warm, too? |
| 19:46.25 | buz | mwester it would do that, naturally |
| 19:46.37 | ozarka | Won't need to change the current design. :-) |
| 19:46.44 | ozarka | That thing stays pretty warm. |
| 19:46.47 | juri_ | it should make pies. the world will be saved by pies. |
| 19:47.02 | ozarka | I had it in it's little pouch. Can it overheat and burn up? Seriously. |
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| 19:48.10 | emdete | i did a test today: i used gprs - with it switched on the neo had battery for less than an hour. steady-on seems to be a no-go for the neo |
| 19:48.13 | Elrond | GTA05 will hopefully have a helix-gps antenna ;o) |
| 19:48.47 | tuukkah | emdete, you can see it missing here: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/rootfs/etc/ |
| 19:49.20 | emdete | tuukkah: thnx - didn't know that :) |
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| 19:49.49 | tuukkah | emdete, re gprs, that's somewhat of an issue with other devices too |
| 19:50.05 | mjr | emdete, just switched on or doing something? |
| 19:50.23 | tuukkah | there are some kind of power management modes for gprs too, perhaps we can get a better result with them |
| 19:50.41 | emdete | tuukkah: but it's not that bad. i ported a funny service to the neo and made gprs reliable. i went out for lunch and showed it to friend. after lunch the neo was dead... very, very short. |
| 19:50.44 | mjr | also, still, the cpu running full tilt with all the other crap will show |
| 19:51.01 | emdete | tuukkah: i have this expirience with umts/hsdpa too but not with gsm |
| 19:52.06 | buz | i wonder how long wifi will live |
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| 19:52.20 | emdete | buz: wifi is one of the worst ideas for the neo |
| 19:52.38 | emdete | instead using bt/pan would be sufficient i think |
| 19:52.39 | mjr | at least gta02 will have a sturdier battery as well :] |
| 19:52.55 | mjr | yeah, I'll likely use bt networking at home even with the gta02 |
| 19:52.55 | buz | bt/pan generally is not available on the road |
| 19:52.57 | buz | wifi is |
| 19:53.07 | xx14 | don't see any network form neo beyond the host.. |
| 19:53.10 | emdete | how much? |
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| 19:55.22 | *** topic/#openmoko by buz -> The OpenMoko Project - http://openmoko.org - Neo1973 GTA01 on sale at https://direct.openmoko.com || Do not ask about GTA02 (December as of last update, yes, that's the one with WiFi, and no, there's no cam). |
| 19:56.21 | sbeh | hrhr |
| 19:56.53 | buz | netbsd for neo |
| 19:57.09 | sbeh | would be nice |
| 19:57.10 | buz | i wonder if someone will port openbsd so the truly paranoid can finally have a phone ;) |
| 19:57.17 | ckuethe | i'm working on it |
| 19:57.23 | ckuethe | so is ian@ and ray@ |
| 19:57.24 | drath | will the gta02 run XP Embedded? |
| 19:57.33 | buz | xp embedded doesnt run on arm |
| 19:57.38 | ckuethe | drahn@ will probably be helpful too |
| 19:57.40 | drath | d'oh |
| 19:57.43 | sbeh | xp embedded does run. |
| 19:57.45 | sbeh | +not |
| 19:58.03 | drath | yeah, should've asked for CE then, I guess ;) |
| 19:58.04 | buz | you might be able to get win ce running on neo |
| 19:58.12 | buz | if you have access to the source |
| 19:58.15 | ckuethe | but from the look of the dmesg, the neo looks a lot like a zaurus |
| 19:58.17 | sbeh | haha |
| 19:58.36 | buz | or maybe you could get xp embedded to "run" in qemu |
| 19:58.41 | ckuethe | so adapting the openbsd zaurus port to openmoko shouldn't be an insurmountable task |
| 19:59.00 | cesarb | buz: qemu in a neo would probably run at less than 1 MIPS |
| 19:59.30 | buz | there's a a reason for the " around run ;) |
| 20:00.03 | cesarb | ckuethe: the neo is a fairly standard ARM thingy... the only problematic part would be the drivers for things like the sound, gsm, gps... |
| 20:00.19 | buz | gsm is standard at interface i believe |
| 20:00.19 | ckuethe | gsm is easy - gsmd |
| 20:00.27 | ckuethe | it looks like a modem on the com port |
| 20:00.38 | ckuethe | sound, yeah, someone's gonna have to write a driver for that |
| 20:00.42 | ckuethe | gps... we'll se |
| 20:00.51 | buz | noooow, solaris on a phone... |
| 20:00.55 | ckuethe | may have to just do up a port of the HH software |
| 20:01.17 | ckuethe | or wait for a new firmware-based device to appear, in which case it looks just like a com port |
| 20:01.56 | buz | one would think that decision was made by now... |
| 20:03.03 | Ghiottone | hey tuukkah |
| 20:03.54 | tuukkah | hi Ghiottone! |
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| 20:05.06 | Ghiottone | what news? |
| 20:15.28 | Marcel_M | orf1 |
| 20:15.34 | Marcel_M | ups sorry |
| 20:21.18 | cesarb | ckuethe: gsm is easy, sure, but it's not only gsmd... you also have to power on the modem via the gpio |
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| 21:09.08 | hhf423 | nabend |
| 21:10.10 | hhf423 | the good news is that I got a new SIM card from eplus which is now working in Neo1973 |
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| 21:20.32 | *** topic/#openmoko is The OpenMoko Project - http://openmoko.org - Neo1973 GTA01 on sale at https://direct.openmoko.com || Do not ask about GTA02 (December as of last update, yes, that's the one with WiFi, and no, there's no cam). |
| 21:20.36 | Ghiottone | hey hhf423 |
| 21:20.45 | hhf423 | hi Ghiottone |
| 21:20.53 | hhf423 | hows things? |
| 21:21.07 | hhf423 | anything new happened this week? |
| 21:21.35 | Ghiottone | yeah I spent it working on my new laptop |
| 21:21.49 | Ghiottone | new I should have plenty of horse power to compile openmoko :) |
| 21:22.44 | Ghiottone | it's good. but linux is hard to put on newest machines |
| 21:24.13 | Ghiottone | what about you? |
| 21:26.54 | juri_ | its less difficult when you can write your own device drivers. snap to it! :) |
| 21:27.28 | hhf423 | trying to activate my new sim, but one thing is clear: the neo likes it :-) |
| 21:28.04 | hhf423 | new laptop sounds nice |
| 21:28.25 | hhf423 | but no news on Neo GPS? |
| 21:29.45 | mwester | hehe! |
| 21:30.06 | mwester | Nope. Utter and total silence on the GPS... |
| 21:30.10 | cesarb | juri_: writing your own device driver takes time (I should know, I did that last year) |
| 21:30.21 | mwester | Rather like the SIM and 850MHz issue. |
| 21:32.42 | Ghiottone | I have found that mtd drivers don't generate /proc/diskstats statistics. I've tried to figure out what it needs to be done to fix it but could not find any info |
| 21:32.52 | Ghiottone | does anyone have any tip? |
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| 21:33.13 | hhf423 | oooh, this looks cool, whats it? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/79bc0dce02527a77d0cf2cc94266e69c.png |
| 21:33.46 | mwester | Simcity clone? |
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| 21:34.14 | pH5 | transport tycoon |
| 21:34.22 | juri_ | cesarb: but its fun, right? |
| 21:34.23 | juri_ | :) |
| 21:34.25 | hhf423 | is there a ipkg? |
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| 21:35.49 | Ghiottone | openttd |
| 21:35.58 | Ghiottone | I made one IIRC |
| 21:36.24 | hhf423 | cool |
| 21:36.31 | hhf423 | and wtf is this? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/0d4524f651b8bddea6dd103b694858de.png |
| 21:36.58 | mwester | It is That Which Does Not Exist. |
| 21:37.25 | mwester | Data gathered using the forbidden gllin driver ;) |
| 21:37.35 | hhf423 | in chroot? |
| 21:37.40 | Ghiottone | mokostats ? |
| 21:37.55 | mwester | I would imagine, unless someone reverse-engineered the driver. |
| 21:38.29 | hhf423 | so the screenshot is what? a tease? |
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| 21:39.57 | Ghiottone | I heard that mokostats has been used with bluetooth gps |
| 21:40.31 | hhf423 | ah, that could be an explanation. quite likely |
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| 21:47.06 | berkus | crap.. i cracked debugboard flex cable connector :\ |
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| 21:49.34 | hhf423 | hard to repair? |
| 21:49.43 | SpeedEvil | Very. |
| 21:49.49 | SpeedEvil | Flex connectors are bastards. |
| 21:50.20 | Writchie|away | they are not designed for repetitive use |
| 21:50.29 | SpeedEvil | The basic idea is to shave off the top coating, expose the copper, and solder. |
| 21:53.59 | cjb_ie | manually-applied solder's never as flexible as the barely-tinned layer the factory puts on though. |
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| 21:54.32 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 21:54.41 | cjb_ie | though it's possible to help by wicking most of it back off again after you've put it on |
| 21:54.42 | SpeedEvil | If combined with a rigidiser, it works OK though. |
| 21:54.54 | SpeedEvil | I repaired a laptop HD cable after I ripped it. |
| 21:55.29 | cjb_ie | heh, i soldered a full-size IDE cable onto the back of a 2.5" IDE connector on a flex cable :-) |
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| 21:55.49 | cjb_ie | just so i could hook up a cd drive to the laptop to install linux on it |
| 21:55.56 | SpeedEvil | This was onto a 100 pin connector on the motherboard. |
| 21:56.12 | cjb_ie | oooh, those things are _horribly_ fine pitch |
| 21:56.27 | SpeedEvil | It also had other stuff |
| 21:56.31 | cjb_ie | a mate of mine did something even more horrid though, to rescue a botched rev 1 pcb layout |
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| 21:57.02 | cjb_ie | 132-pin tqfp - pin 1 was halfway along a side... the library part we used on the pcb had it at a corner |
| 21:57.32 | cjb_ie | we didn't discover this till after the PCB got manufactured. |
| 21:57.40 | SpeedEvil | I've seen one of those. |
| 21:57.49 | SpeedEvil | explosion of wirewrap wire. |
| 21:58.04 | cjb_ie | yup |
| 21:58.08 | bewandered | has anyone else experienced problems getting gta01 to register on the network? |
| 21:58.15 | SpeedEvil | Many pwople. |
| 21:58.24 | SpeedEvil | Are you in the US on AT&T? |
| 21:58.30 | bewandered | US on Tmobile |
| 21:58.49 | cjb_ie | it helped a lot that we etched a little square PCB to sit the IC on, so we weren't soldering wires straight to it. |
| 21:58.53 | bewandered | from libgsmd-tool: |
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| 21:59.20 | cjb_ie | SpeedEvil: anyway, it's pleasing to know this happens to others |
| 21:59.29 | cjb_ie | (unless you saw it anywhere near cork, ireland...) |
| 21:59.32 | bewandered | O |
| 21:59.32 | bewandered | # # Power-On |
| 21:59.32 | bewandered | r |
| 21:59.32 | bewandered | # Register |
| 21:59.32 | bewandered | ERROR reding from gsm_fd |
| 21:59.37 | SpeedEvil | cjb_ie: this was actually a 60Mb hard drive. |
| 21:59.49 | SpeedEvil | cjb_ie: that I got when RoDime shut. |
| 21:59.50 | SpeedEvil | Oops. |
| 22:00.01 | SpeedEvil | Or was it RoDime |
| 22:00.11 | SpeedEvil | It was either RoDime or Myrica |
| 22:00.21 | cjb_ie | SpeedEvil: ah, so you didn't get to experience the joy of seeing the explosion take place then :) |
| 22:00.24 | SpeedEvil | Which was clearly a test unit - but worked. |
| 22:00.32 | SpeedEvil | So I used it for a couple of years. |
| 22:00.40 | SpeedEvil | (this was back when 60Mb was significant) |
| 22:01.10 | cjb_ie | we kept that board around to remind us to check the damn library parts before sending the gerbers off |
| 22:01.43 | cjb_ie | (as i recall, on the first attempt we had an off-by-one error on the wire-wrap explosion) |
| 22:01.45 | bewandered | ooo looks like gsmd died, too |
| 22:02.26 | cjb_ie | and there were a few bridges and dry joints to catch too, of course, once we got all the wires in the right places. |
| 22:03.53 | cjb_ie | that was a fun prototype |
| 22:08.13 | mwester | bewandered: How current is your image? |
| 22:08.25 | bewandered | the latest i could get last night |
| 22:08.37 | SpeedEvil | cjb_ie: I want to make a low-end wirebonder. |
| 22:08.42 | bewandered | how can i check the rev from the phone? |
| 22:08.56 | SpeedEvil | cjb_ie: Ombondo! |
| 22:09.17 | bewandered | cat /etc/version says: |
| 22:09.23 | bewandered | 200708310939 |
| 22:09.41 | bewandered | i'm thinking there may be a hardware problem |
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| 22:09.45 | mwester | No. |
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| 22:09.54 | bewandered | Fri Oct 12 22:07:29 2007 <8> gsmd.c:82:alive_tmr_cb() modem dead! |
| 22:10.10 | berkus | SpeedEvil: fortunately, the connector had one side of it still intact, so i managed to push it back and lock. no way i'm gonna unplug the flex cable from there any time soon :) |
| 22:10.20 | mwester | I think you need a newer image. gsmd is still buggy, but a lot of problems have been solved since August. |
| 22:10.32 | bewandered | ok. |
| 22:10.45 | macdigas | What about this one: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=666 |
| 22:10.45 | macdigas | ? |
| 22:10.49 | bewandered | that seemed to be the latest image the Flasher program found |
| 22:11.23 | mwester | Check the wiki for feeds, there are alternate feeds that are much more up-to-date. |
| 22:11.31 | bewandered | ahhh OK, thanks |
| 22:11.49 | mwester | Perhaps one of the lurkers here might know of a recent feed?? (I haven't updated mine for a few days now) |
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| 22:28.42 | cesarb | Writchie: didn't see the global notice? |
| 22:28.42 | Writchie | nope |
| 22:28.42 | cesarb | [19:04:49] [Notificar] -dmwaters- {global notice} Hi all, our main US hub is about to go down for some upgrading. This will cause some major splitting. We will work to get things back together as quickly as possible. Thank you for your patience, and thank you for using freenode! |
| 22:28.42 | cesarb | [19:05:27] * cesarb braces for the netsplit |
| 22:28.44 | bewandered | anyone here know if it's required to flash u0boot when you flash the kernel and rootfs? |
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| 22:28.44 | abraxa_ | bewandered: It's not |
| 22:28.46 | Writchie | bewandered: not necessary except in very unusual case |
| 22:28.46 | bewandered | thanks :) |
| 22:28.46 | berkus | bewandered: wiki says only if your new rootfs is smaller than the old one (?) |
| 22:28.46 | bewandered | ok |
| 22:28.46 | bewandered | i'm pretty sure it's bigger |
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| 22:28.46 | berkus | where'd i put line to restart gsmd during startup? |
| 22:28.48 | abraxa_ | berkus: That's not flashing u-boot - that's doing a "nand erase rootfs" from within u-boot |
| 22:28.48 | Writchie | bewandered: if you have an older u-boot you need to do erase nand rootfs or erase nand kernel respectively |
| 22:28.48 | Writchie | s/or/and or/ |
| 22:28.48 | bewandered | ok |
| 22:28.48 | berkus | abraxa_: um, well, yes. you don't need to reflash u-boot usually. |
| 22:29.54 | SpeedEvil | and to paraphrase Python: 'nand erase' is right out. |
| 22:30.00 | bewandered | U-boot 1.2.0-moko9_r0_${biglonghexstring}_0_2040 |
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| 22:30.35 | abraxa_ | bewandered: You want to flash that? Why? |
| 22:30.48 | bewandered | I want to flash the rootfs and kernel. |
| 22:30.58 | abraxa_ | Then you don't need u-boot :) |
| 22:31.04 | bewandered | that's the current U-boot rev |
| 22:32.51 | bewandered | ok:) |
| 22:33.42 | Writchie | i'm not sure at which rev the nand erase rootfs became no longer required. |
| 22:33.47 | bewandered | yay for flashing! |
| 22:33.48 | abraxa_ | bewandered: Are you flashing a virgin device that you purchased or does it already have a kernel/rootfs? |
| 22:34.04 | bewandered | i have flashed it once before now. |
| 22:34.24 | bewandered | so it already has kernel and rootfs |
| 22:34.46 | bewandered | but i'd like to try some dev images to see if i can get GSM working. |
| 22:34.54 | abraxa_ | ohh okay - in that case you *might* want to issue the "nand erase rootfs" command on the u-boot console before flashing the rootfs, just to make sure |
| 22:35.00 | bewandered | too late :) |
| 22:35.08 | Writchie | it sure would nice if there were known good and tested official u-boot images and recommendations for those without debug boards. |
| 22:35.32 | abraxa_ | Writchie: Sounds like an idea for the wiki, even if it's not "official" |
| 22:35.51 | Writchie | i'd be reluctant to recommend. that's an openmoko task really |
| 22:36.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 929 has been created by hrw(AT)openedhand.com |
| 22:36.01 | cdbot2 | * * GConf setting for orientation |
| 22:36.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=929 |
| 22:36.08 | abraxa_ | Hmm, I suppose so... |
| 22:36.38 | Writchie | the original image is fine as long as you do the nand erase rootfs thing. |
| 22:37.01 | Writchie | the latest 12 fixed some charging issues but has not been tested enuf yet to recommend. |
| 22:37.11 | Henryk | I've adopted issuing "nand erase clean rootfs" before each rootfs flash as a kind of cargo cult. Not sure whether it's necessary, but sure doesn't do any harm. |
| 22:37.39 | Writchie | i do the same also |
| 22:38.04 | Writchie | nand erase really needs a warning |
| 22:38.21 | Writchie | since its rm -rf / |
| 22:38.52 | Writchie | actucally worse, i guess more like a dd |
| 22:39.10 | Henryk | hmm, it has a warning? at least last time I forgot to type "rootfs" it asked whether I was really sure |
| 22:39.34 | Writchie | unfortunately, that version is ok |
| 22:39.45 | Writchie | its the other versions that have no warning |
| 22:40.18 | Writchie | i also don't like hidden environment variables |
| 22:40.37 | Writchie | or pseduo environment variables or whatever |
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| 22:51.57 | cesarb | Writchie: the "august snapshot" has doesn't need nand erase rootfs and is very well-tested |
| 22:54.09 | Writchie | cesarb: that's good to know. but someone without a debug board probably ought not to upgrade u-boot unless the upgrade is necessary rather than just convenient. |
| 22:54.23 | hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/10/13/neod-hacking-day/ |
| 22:54.46 | hrw | August snapshot u-boot is known to be working |
| 22:54.57 | hrw | I upgraded my Neo bv4 to it and it is working |
| 22:55.22 | cesarb | Writchie: well, I'd say lowering the chance of typing "nand erase" by accident is good, but only if you can get to a debug board with perhaps a 2-hour bus ride max |
| 22:55.59 | Writchie | cesarb: it's good for sure - but i wouldn't upgrade just for that. |
| 22:56.13 | Writchie | but that's just me. |
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| 22:56.58 | Writchie | there are now changes that fix the charge rate to 100ma - these will probably be worth it after some testing |
| 22:57.11 | bewandered | hmm. |
| 22:57.23 | bewandered | with new kernel and root fs, still seem to be having gsm troubles: |
| 22:57.30 | cesarb | Writchie: I will either wait until the next official snapshot or start hacking uboot by myself (and thus need to flash my own) |
| 22:57.31 | bewandered | Fri Oct 12 22:56:11 2007 <1> usock.c:254:phone_powerup_cb() Radio power-up faile |
| 22:57.31 | bewandered | d |
| 22:57.42 | cesarb | http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=765 <- already starting to hack on uboot |
| 22:58.28 | Writchie | cesarb: there may also be some usb dfu problems |
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| 22:58.42 | Writchie | these could be in dfu-util or u-boot, i'm not sure. |
| 22:58.53 | Writchie | i may look into them next week. |
| 22:59.26 | Writchie | try to find out why linux in vmware doesn't do download/upload |
| 23:00.08 | cesarb | Writchie: it might be uboot, it might be dfu-util, or it might be _vmware_ |
| 23:00.17 | cesarb | Writchie: and it's more probable it's vmware |
| 23:00.39 | Writchie | i'm not so sure since everything else works and its a lot more complicated than dfu |
| 23:01.29 | bewandered | are the "Bad block table found at page" errors anything to be concerned about? |
| 23:01.30 | Writchie | but of course, it could be vmware and that means game over. |
| 23:01.33 | bewandered | (from dmesg) |
| 23:02.24 | Writchie | bewandered: what is the full message? |
| 23:02.43 | bewandered | <7>Bad block table found at page 131040, version 0x01 |
| 23:02.47 | bewandered | <7>Bad block table found at page 131008, version 0x01 |
| 23:02.50 | bewandered | jsut those two |
| 23:03.09 | Writchie | those are not errors AFAIK |
| 23:03.17 | bewandered | thx |
| 23:04.01 | cesarb | bewandered: it's quite normal to find a bad block table... it would be strange not to find it (there are two copies, btw) |
| 23:04.14 | bewandered | ok |
| 23:04.19 | bewandered | yay i have pgrep now! |
| 23:04.41 | cesarb | bewandered: it's also quite normal to find four "fake" bad blocks at the end of the device (they are not really bad blocks -- they have the bad block table) |
| 23:05.01 | bewandered | ah, i see |
| 23:08.52 | cesarb | bewandered: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NAND_bad_blocks <- more than you'll ever want to know on the subject |
| 23:09.40 | bewandered | wow, that's a loud startup noise. |
| 23:09.55 | bewandered | hehe thx |
| 23:12.59 | berkus | bewandered: you'll get tired of it quickly when you have to boot your neo for twelve thousand times more :) |
| 23:13.24 | bewandered | heheh |
| 23:13.36 | bewandered | so the icons along the upper right disappeared |
| 23:13.46 | bewandered | is taht correct? |
| 23:13.51 | berkus | yeah. i didn't get answer to that |
| 23:13.51 | cesarb | bewandered: that's normal |
| 23:13.59 | cesarb | bewandered: they crash like all the time |
| 23:14.04 | bewandered | k |
| 23:14.12 | cesarb | bewandered: just shrug and reboot (or if you know the tricks restart them) |
| 23:15.09 | cesarb | bewandered: also don't get surprised if gsmd misbehaves, it does that all the time... just shrug and restart it by hand |
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| 23:15.32 | bewandered | k |
| 23:15.45 | bewandered | i'm still having trouble with it registering. |
| 23:15.50 | bewandered | i'm going to try a different SIM |
| 23:17.01 | cesarb | bewandered: if it's GSM850, forget it, it won't work. It also doesn't work well with some newer SIMs |
| 23:17.34 | cesarb | bewandered: there are rumors a fix is being prepared |
| 23:17.36 | bewandered | the one that isn't working is almost 5 years old. |
| 23:17.54 | bewandered | the one i'm trying now is about 1.5 years old. |
| 23:17.58 | bewandered | both are from Tmobile. |
| 23:18.42 | bewandered | this August snapshot looks wonderful. |
| 23:18.50 | bewandered | In terms of UI |
| 23:18.57 | Henryk | ack |
| 23:20.04 | hrw | bewandered: as long as you do not forget about 'ipkg update;ipkg upgrade' to newest software |
| 23:20.33 | cesarb | hrw: doing that will only give him a mismatched set of kernel modules |
| 23:20.34 | bewandered | ok, thx |
| 23:20.55 | hrw | cesarb: oops. |
| 23:21.28 | hrw | and some software I have in newer versions then OpenMoko provides |
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| 23:23.36 | cjb | Hi! Where should I look for a recent working jffs2 image? |
| 23:24.16 | cjb | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/ only seems to have releases. |
| 23:25.59 | bewandered | sweet, i have signal |
| 23:26.12 | bewandered | for the very first time :) |
| 23:27.08 | Henryk | What! Main screen turn on. |
| 23:30.46 | cesarb | Henryk: too soon: http://xkcd.com/286/ |
| 23:31.22 | bewandered | heheh |
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| 23:33.47 | Henryk | cesarb: also applicable: http://xkcd.com/307/ |
| 23:34.41 | hrw | bye |
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