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| 00:19.36 | meshuga | hrm now i'm trying to get gsm working. I decided to just use cu and see if i can get the 'at-command interpreter ready' prompt before trying to dial from the handset |
| 00:19.43 | meshuga | and it just sits at 'Connected' |
| 00:19.54 | meshuga | i tried powering the gsm modem down and then back up, but same results |
| 00:20.48 | tRubl | abraxa_: thanks, I'll check it out |
| 00:24.07 | paroneayea | saw this in the wiki |
| 00:24.09 | paroneayea | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM#Connecting_to_GSM_Modem_.28using_cu.29 |
| 00:25.14 | paroneayea | meshuga: which might not mean good things for you |
| 00:25.28 | paroneayea | but I had to power off and power on my phone a billion times until it worked right |
| 00:30.00 | meshuga | paroneayea: thats what i was trying |
| 00:30.05 | meshuga | i will try a billion times :P |
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| 00:34.26 | mwester | meshuga: GTA01 or GTA02? |
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| 00:35.49 | mwester | meshuga: On GTA01, examine the most recent /etc/init.d/gmsd script for the proper power-up sequence (skip the sleep statements). |
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| 00:43.56 | meshuga | mwester: ok will try that (i have GTA01) |
| 00:51.23 | meshuga | http://www.pastebin.ca/729466 |
| 00:51.30 | meshuga | gsmd says 'modem dead!' |
| 00:51.36 | meshuga | that isn't a good sign is it :P |
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| 01:06.12 | mwester-laptop | meshuga: check your /etc/init.d/gsmd script - if it does not contain a line similar to "stty -F $GSM_DEV -echo" then you need to upgrade to the latest libgsmd package. |
| 01:09.01 | meshuga | k i'll check that |
| 01:09.02 | meshuga | root@fic-gta01:~$ ipkg install openmoko-browser2 |
| 01:09.02 | meshuga | Bus error |
| 01:09.06 | meshuga | any idea on that? |
| 01:09.31 | meshuga | tty -F "$GSM_DEV" -crtscts |
| 01:09.31 | meshuga | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.31 | meshuga | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.33 | mwester-laptop | public transportation employees on strike? |
| 01:09.36 | borg_ | mh |
| 01:09.38 | meshuga | so this looks ok? |
| 01:09.39 | borg_ | i think my neo is broken |
| 01:09.58 | SpeedEvil | In what way? |
| 01:10.01 | SpeedEvil | Did you blend it? |
| 01:10.10 | borg_ | it doesnt do anything |
| 01:10.15 | mwester-laptop | meshuga: yes, looks ok. |
| 01:10.18 | borg_ | you can use it to test the blender now, i guess |
| 01:10.24 | SpeedEvil | borg_: how does this make you feel? |
| 01:10.34 | borg_ | pretty bad |
| 01:10.44 | SpeedEvil | borg_: More seriously - what symptoms. |
| 01:10.53 | borg_ | i made an ipkg upgrade |
| 01:11.02 | borg_ | and after 2 minutes or so it stucked |
| 01:11.10 | borg_ | then i looked at the neo and it was off |
| 01:11.26 | SpeedEvil | Actually 'Eliza'/ |
| 01:11.29 | borg_ | i thougt it was gone into standby or something |
| 01:11.40 | borg_ | i pulled the battery in and out |
| 01:11.46 | borg_ | but it doesnt start |
| 01:12.07 | SpeedEvil | you need to pull the battery, for several mins, then leave charge for an hour |
| 01:12.17 | borg_ | i will try it |
| 01:12.24 | SpeedEvil | It can get confused and not charge from USB |
| 01:12.26 | borg_ | but the battery should be full |
| 01:12.47 | borg_ | dmesg on my pc says |
| 01:12.49 | borg_ | [36823.691019] usb 3-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71 |
| 01:12.53 | borg_ | when i put it in |
| 01:13.16 | borg_ | no idea what this means |
| 01:14.28 | mwester-laptop | Possibly means that u-boot on the neo is not able to initialize the USB on the neo end. |
| 01:14.58 | borg_ | i do not have the debug board |
| 01:15.08 | borg_ | but i cant have done this with the ipkg upgrade, can i? |
| 01:15.18 | mwester-laptop | Nothing so far indicates that you would need the debug board. |
| 01:15.46 | borg_ | but why should it do something good to charge it? |
| 01:15.53 | borg_ | i hang on my pc for weeks |
| 01:16.02 | borg_ | the battery should be full ;) |
| 01:16.07 | borg_ | s/i/it/ |
| 01:16.12 | mwester-laptop | Follow what Speedevil suggested, and see if it doesn't work. It may have stopped charging some hours ago, and have a dead battery. |
| 01:16.28 | borg_ | i will try it of course ;) |
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| 01:19.25 | meshuga | damn every package i install gives me 'bus error' |
| 01:19.40 | meshuga | is arm4l a bad architecture? |
| 01:20.09 | mwester-laptop | meshuga: you probably upgraded a library upon which ipkg depends. There's a limit to what you can upgrade with ipkg it seems. |
| 01:21.40 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r3106 10/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/ (configure.ac src/main.c): (log message trimmed) |
| 01:21.40 | CIA-23 | openmoko: configure.ac: added libusbpath.a and usbpath.h dependency |
| 01:21.40 | CIA-23 | openmoko: src/main.c: added search filter DFU_IFF_DEVNUM (bus, devnum) |
| 01:21.40 | CIA-23 | openmoko: src/main.c: added pseudo search filter DFU_IFF_PATH (path) |
| 01:21.40 | CIA-23 | openmoko: src/main.c (get_first_dfu_device, count_dfu_devices): abstracted common code |
| 01:21.43 | CIA-23 | openmoko: into iterate_dfu_devices |
| 01:21.45 | CIA-23 | openmoko: src/main.c (iterate_dfu_devices): added filtering by USB device number |
| 01:21.54 | meshuga | root@fic-gta01:~$ ipkg info ipkg |
| 01:21.55 | meshuga | Bus error |
| 01:21.58 | meshuga | damnit :P |
| 01:22.13 | meshuga | maybe i should reflash |
| 01:35.29 | meshuga | oh rebooting fixed it |
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| 02:22.25 | sagacis|ne1 | online with gprs again, finally |
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| 02:25.19 | raster | sagacis|neo: i hope you have unlimited data rates! |
| 02:25.20 | raster | :) |
| 02:26.10 | sagacis|neo | I order it every month. AT&T has yet to get my bill right. |
| 02:27.19 | sagacis|neo | bummer. browser2 crashed |
| 02:27.45 | sagacis|neo | pidgin works pretty well |
| 02:28.10 | xaid | any screenshots of browser2? :) |
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| 02:28.32 | sagacis|neo | sure. what do you want to see? |
| 02:29.17 | xaid | anything really, the only screenshots that i saw of a browser on the new were the galeon ones i think. |
| 02:29.25 | xaid | s/new/neo/ |
| 02:30.54 | sagacis|rebuild | http://scap.linuxtogo.org |
| 02:31.50 | xaid | sagacis|rebuild: thats perfect, thank you :) |
| 02:34.48 | sagacis|neo | ok. 2 more, showing the search/addr pane and the tab list pane |
| 02:35.12 | sagacis|neo | @ http.scap.linuxtogo.com |
| 02:35.22 | sagacis|neo | errrm |
| 02:36.37 | xaid | that looks pretty straightforward to use. i wasn't sure how the multiple tabs would be implemented on a mobile device with limited screen space. |
| 02:37.31 | xaid | by the way, the on screen keyboard, does it support anything other than english? if you set the LC_ALL to something other than english, would it show the correct characters? |
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| 02:38.18 | sagacis|rebuild | Don't know. |
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| 02:38.48 | xaid | I'll get qemu running and check it out. thanks again for posting the screenshots. |
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| 02:39.05 | sagacis|rebuild | Just posted a recursive screenshot. :D |
| 02:39.39 | xaid | :D |
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| 02:41.00 | StylusEater | hi |
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| 02:51.42 | sagacis|neo | well,I accomplished one of my goals. I'm going to hit the sack. |
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| 02:56.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 917 has been created by gnomecn(AT)gmail.com |
| 02:56.01 | cdbot2 | * * libmokojournal2 build failure: cann't find gtk-doc.make |
| 02:56.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=917 |
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| 03:03.49 | StylusEater | night |
| 03:11.49 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r3107 10/developers/werner/dfu-util-r3103.patch: dfu-util-r3103.patch: patch has been merged into mainline dfu-util, deleting it |
| 03:13.06 | paroneayea | hm |
| 03:13.18 | paroneayea | I am indeed also experiening the "hang on 'Connected.' issue." |
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| 03:44.22 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r3108 10/trunk/src/host/usbreset/usbreset.c: |
| 03:44.22 | CIA-23 | openmoko: usbreset.c (main): instead of skipping hubs, allow resetting them, and ignore |
| 03:44.22 | CIA-23 | openmoko: the EISDIR error return if it's a root hub |
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| 04:20.38 | paroneayea | I made calls once, but only once |
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| 04:48.49 | blindcoder | moin |
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| 05:00.42 | mbuf | libgsmd API should not be used for writing applications? else, what is the recommended way to write applications for using the GSM chipset? |
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| 05:13.44 | paroneayea | hey, anyone have a dialing phone? What's the output of |
| 05:14.05 | paroneayea | ls -l /dev/ttySAC0 /usr/spool/uucp |
| 05:15.04 | paroneayea | (I changed those permissions to follow http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM#Connecting_to_GSM_Modem_.28using_cu.29 ... now it shows that it's making the call from the dialer, but nothing happens, just shows the animation) |
| 05:15.42 | paroneayea | any ideas? |
| 05:16.53 | paroneayea | nm, I guess the permissions changed back |
| 05:16.58 | paroneayea | not sure why this isn't working then |
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| 06:09.33 | mbuf | which build environment has libgsmd working fine? |
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| 06:22.36 | ljp | have fun |
| 06:23.35 | ljp | hmm |
| 06:28.27 | zash` | coffee! |
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| 06:34.37 | CM | mickey|ICE1092: Welcome back :D |
| 06:34.50 | CM | Hope you've had a very relaxing vacation. ;) |
| 06:35.11 | mickey|ICE1092 | thanks :) |
| 06:35.33 | mickey|ICE1092 | i can hardly belief that the two weeks are already over |
| 06:35.56 | CM | Vacations always feel like that.. Too short |
| 06:36.00 | doc|home | I'm bored, anyone know of any cool toys I can read about to entertain myself? |
| 06:36.05 | mickey|ICE1092 | got some energies refreshed :) |
| 06:36.14 | CM | Glad to hear that |
| 06:36.39 | mickey|ICE1092 | doc|home: dunno about entertainment, but the gcc optimization papers are cool stuff ;) |
| 06:37.05 | doc|home | mickey|ICE1092: at 11:30 at night as a non C programmer??:) |
| 06:37.24 | CM | Hehe, or Ulrich Drepper article about memory |
| 06:39.28 | mickey|ICE1092 | haven't had time to catch up with all new stuff. did i miss anything important? |
| 06:45.42 | CM | Well, at least calling worked without issues with the last image I tried |
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| 07:07.14 | abraxa__ | mickey|ICE1092: Yay, welcome back! |
| 07:09.59 | mickey|ICE1092 | hi abraxa__ |
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| 07:13.33 | lorenz | Good morning |
| 07:14.46 | lorenz | Sleeping without the battery unbricked my phone, I don't know what had happend to it, but now it works fine again, thanks again, SpeedEvil |
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| 07:18.14 | ljp | hi mickey|ICE1092 |
| 07:19.06 | Mek | yay, my neo just arrived :) |
| 07:19.27 | lorenz | congradulations Mek |
| 07:19.41 | ljp | they have a nice smell when they are new |
| 07:24.51 | lorenz | and don't forget the taste |
| 07:25.00 | lorenz | (of something new for playing) |
| 07:25.09 | Mek | okay, as expected, it doesn't boot out of the box :) |
| 07:25.57 | lorenz | hmm, mine booted (when it first arrived) (and died with a kernel panic, because it lacked a rootfs) |
| 07:26.11 | Mek | yeah, I don't call a kernel panic booting :P |
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| 07:26.39 | lorenz | ok, sorry, but I am used to that ;-) |
| 07:26.42 | Henryk | that's what the "Some assembly required" coaster is for |
| 07:26.56 | lorenz | as I do some porting stuff in in company |
| 07:27.16 | lorenz | so seeing a kernel panic means booting to me |
| 07:27.18 | lorenz | ;-) |
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| 07:28.14 | mbuf | which build environment has libgsmd working fine? |
| 07:29.38 | CM | The build from october 2:nd worked for me, at least to call |
| 07:31.08 | lorenz | the september 16 snapshot also seems to be quite stable in calling (after putting /etc/init.d/gsmd stop; /etc/init.d/gsmd start into /etc/matchbox/session |
| 07:36.56 | viq | So the problem with BlueTooth (can't wake up the phone, thus you need to take calls from the phone and can't answer from headset) is a hardware issue, or is it possible there will be a software fix for it? |
| 07:38.04 | Henryk | viq: wake-up on incoming call should be unrelated to bluetooth? |
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| 07:38.49 | viq | Henryk: I heard that you can't press button on BT headset or whatever device it is to answer the call, you need to do that on the phone, due to some BT issue |
| 07:39.03 | viq | and they called it "wake up" or something like that |
| 07:40.33 | CM | That sounds odd to me |
| 07:40.56 | CM | Unless maybe the pairing fails when the phone suspends.. |
| 07:41.32 | Mek | hmm... when I try to flash with dfu-util it complains that more than one device is found, but dfu-util --list only shows one device... |
| 07:42.17 | lorenz | Mek: what does lsusb print out? |
| 07:43.41 | viq | 2007.10.06|19:17:28( Writchie) but probably not until GT03 when BT is straightened out |
| 07:43.44 | viq | 2007.10.06|19:17:41( viq) What's wrong with BT now? |
| 07:43.46 | viq | 2007.10.06|19:17:56( Writchie) can't be woken up from headset |
| 07:43.50 | viq | 2007.10.06|19:18:20( Writchie) which means you can't press the button and use the phone - you have to physicall handle the phone |
| 07:44.14 | Mek | lorenz: http://rafb.net/p/sI5j1i74.html |
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| 07:45.28 | viq | CM: that's where I heard it |
| 07:45.52 | CM | viq: Ahh |
| 07:45.57 | CM | But that's not the same is it? |
| 07:46.07 | lorenz | hmm, that's ok, Mek |
| 07:46.17 | CM | I mean, the phone will wake up when a call is incoming.. |
| 07:46.30 | CM | But you can't wake it up with just a bt headset. |
| 07:46.45 | CM | Or am I misunderstanding everything? |
| 07:46.52 | Mek | the output of dfu-util --list is like the example given for the neo in u-boot Runtime Mode, not in DFU Mode, could that be the problem? |
| 07:46.57 | viq | I have no idea |
| 07:47.21 | viq | CM: they mentioned something about JPFS |
| 07:47.25 | lorenz | so you used dfu-util with root priviliges and tried flashing according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko (I guess you did, but asking to b sure) |
| 07:47.54 | lorenz | hmm, and you are in u-boot mode? |
| 07:48.05 | lorenz | so you can see the u-boot menu? |
| 07:48.12 | Mek | I see the menu, yes |
| 07:48.31 | lorenz | ok, that's weird |
| 07:48.56 | Mek | perhaps should I first flash u-boot? or should that be unnecisary? |
| 07:49.33 | lorenz | that's unnecessary, afaik |
| 07:49.49 | lorenz | (though I did it, but not as my first task) |
| 07:52.08 | lorenz | can you connect via serial over usb with your u-boot? |
| 07:53.01 | Mek | how do I test that? (btw, I did get it in dfu-mode now, but it stil won't flash..) |
| 07:53.31 | Mek | ah, now it also flashes... |
| 07:54.09 | lorenz | ah, lucky you |
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| 08:03.22 | jeddy3 | slightly OT: is anynone using openembedded branch for dreambox software? |
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| 08:06.09 | mbuf | if applications should not use libgsm_passthrough (as per, http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=176#c1), what is the recommend way to send/receive AT responses on the Neo1973 with OM? |
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| 08:16.19 | Hopscotch | moin |
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| 08:52.39 | Mek | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/96d3d28d7078b3d271c41e7a56e30445.png <-- now I 'only' need to add the code to actually observe a frequency, and I have a nice tuner device :) (okay, the way it looks also can use some improvements :)) |
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| 08:58.04 | jeddy3 | oh, btw, what is this gps utility shown on scap?? (for example http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/0d4524f651b8bddea6dd103b694858de.png ) |
| 08:58.19 | jeddy3 | nice work Mek! |
| 08:58.30 | Henryk | Mek: what's that? |
| 08:59.04 | Mek | Henryk: it's the start of my tuner application running on my brand new neo :) |
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| 09:09.21 | sandos | Mek: so youre doing some sort of FFT on the audio from the mic? |
| 09:09.40 | sandos | os are there specific algorithms for detecting a single tone |
| 09:09.43 | Mek | not yet... that isd the next step... |
| 09:09.44 | sandos | I guess there is, actually |
| 09:10.22 | sandos | http://www.embedded.com/story/OEG20020819S0057 |
| 09:10.25 | sandos | that for example |
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| 09:10.52 | Mek | yeah, there is plenty information available... I guess I'll make the algorithm that is used configurable :) |
| 09:10.56 | Henryk | Well, the simplest algorithm would be a frequency counter that simply counts zero crossing |
| 09:10.57 | sandos | ah |
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| 09:13.03 | SpeedEvil | fft is probably the best way. |
| 09:13.15 | SpeedEvil | And code is everywhere on the net |
| 09:13.16 | Mek | will the neo's processor be fast enough for fft? |
| 09:13.23 | SpeedEvil | easily |
| 09:13.24 | Henryk | well, not "the best", but the most versatile |
| 09:14.02 | SpeedEvil | An easy, widely deployed way. |
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| 09:37.48 | mbuf | how do i find out my gsm firmware version? |
| 09:40.21 | mbuf | ok, have to use AT+CGMR with manually using GSM method |
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| 10:00.52 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3109 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/icons/openmoko-standard/ (6 files in 3 dirs): * Add openmoko-calculator icon |
| 10:01.24 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03chris * r3110 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c): |
| 10:01.24 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c: |
| 10:01.24 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Import window-ordering fix from libhildondesktop, fix odd |
| 10:01.24 | CIA-23 | openmoko: event-eating bug where only 2nd click after using MokoFingerScroll |
| 10:01.24 | CIA-23 | openmoko: outside of a MokoFingerScroll would work |
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| 10:03.33 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03chris * r3111 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c): |
| 10:03.34 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c: |
| 10:03.34 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Fix typo g_list_prepend instead of g_list_append |
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| 10:08.03 | blindcoder | isn't that a thinko? |
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| 10:13.49 | mbuf | what is the difference between uboot-gta01bv4-latest.bin and u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+git20070917+svnr2943-r0.bin ? which one should I use? |
| 10:14.19 | ghoulsblade | hi all, i think i flashed the wrong kernel, but it won't let me flash again saying No such Alternate Setting: "kernel" , how can i switch from u-boot Runtime Mode to u-boot DFU Mode ? |
| 10:14.50 | alphaone | mbuf: latest usually is a symlink to the latest image |
| 10:15.53 | mbuf | alphaone, ok |
| 10:17.24 | Henryk | for some reason though the "latest" symlink uses an absolute path |
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| 10:23.29 | gordonsyme | How do I completely clean the webkit-gtk package? Including the downloaded source and all. I have run `make clean-package-webkit-gtk` but that didn't seem to clean out the sources. |
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| 10:29.28 | mbuf | gordonsyme, i was stuck at problem earlier |
| 10:29.52 | mbuf | gordonsyme, * that problem, does it fail at icu? |
| 10:30.17 | mbuf | gordonsyme, if you rebuild glibc, and try to build again, it will pass, but, will fail at icu |
| 10:32.46 | gordonsyme | mbuf: fun... |
| 10:32.56 | gordonsyme | mbuf: think I'll just wait until tomorrow |
| 10:33.10 | gordonsyme | mbuf: rebuilding glibc is a pain |
| 10:33.50 | mbuf | gordonsyme, rebuilding glibc didn't fix it; did "make clean; make" took me 8 hours to rebuild, and openmoko-devel-image built fine; still make failed at gnokiigsm/virtmodem.c |
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| 10:55.23 | Henryk | Shoragan: should I be able to build linux-openmoko-devel? |
| 10:55.38 | Shoragan | yes, you should :) |
| 10:56.22 | Henryk | hmm. |
| 10:56.23 | Henryk | NOTE: Task failed: Error: /home/ploetz/openmoko/2007.2/openembedded/packages/linux/linux-openmoko-devel/./squashfs-2.6.23.patch not found. |
| 10:56.23 | Henryk | NOTE: package linux-openmoko-devel-2.6.22+2.6.23-rc9-moko11+svnr3101-r2: task do_patch: failed |
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| 10:58.30 | Shoragan | oh |
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| 11:06.27 | Shoragan | Henryk, it's now pushed |
| 11:08.40 | Henryk | ah, that's better |
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| 11:14.38 | Mek | hmm.. nice... switching openmoko <-> qtopia without rebooting seems to work quite good... |
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| 11:20.49 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3112 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/ (gta02-core.patch smedia-glamo.patch): |
| 11:20.49 | CIA-23 | openmoko: glamo/gta02: The end address of resouces should be minus by one. This patch |
| 11:20.49 | CIA-23 | openmoko: also fixes a typo where glamo-3d uses glamo-2d's resources. (Chia-I Wu) |
| 11:22.54 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3113 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/smedia-glamo.patch: glamo: raise frame rate from 40Hz to 60Hz: DCLK ration is now 2:1 instead of 3:1 (Chia-I Wu) |
| 11:23.41 | Mek | cd |
| 11:23.48 | Mek | oops, wrong terminal :) |
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| 11:27.35 | lokolb | hehe: rm -rf /* (and take the other terminal) *grin* |
| 11:27.49 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3114 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokojournal2/ (7 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 11:27.49 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Patch by: Emmanuele Bassi <ebassi@o-hand.com> |
| 11:27.49 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * doc/reference/Makefile.am: |
| 11:27.49 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * doc/reference/libmokojournal-docs.sgml: |
| 11:27.49 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * doc/reference/libmokojournal.types |
| 11:27.51 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * doc/reference/libmokojournal-sections.txt |
| 11:27.55 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * mokojournal/moko-journal.c: |
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| 11:30.46 | Shoragan | Henryk, is it working now? |
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| 11:31.40 | Henryk | Shoragan: i did a make clean before, so it's still building other stuff (glibc currently) |
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| 11:37.29 | mbuf | does "libgsmtool -m atcmd" "AT+CGMI" work for anyone? if yes, which image? |
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| 11:40.52 | Henryk | AT+CGMI |
| 11:40.52 | Henryk | STR=`AT+CGMI' |
| 11:40.52 | Henryk | RSTR=`+CGMI: "FIC/OpenMoko"' |
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| 11:41.22 | Henryk | custom built image, built something like yesterday |
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| 11:42.08 | zecke|OEDEM2007 | Shoragan: gobby works |
| 11:42.30 | Shoragan | you want to try it? |
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| 11:53.57 | cardone | If one would like to program openmoko appz...there is a way to have the neo1973 for free?! |
| 11:54.42 | Mek | I think it requires a bit more than just wanting to program for it... |
| 11:55.32 | XorA | mickeyl: starts to hang himself |
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| 12:07.00 | ghoulsblade | hi all, i think i flashed the wrong kernel, but it won't let me flash again saying No such Alternate Setting: "kernel" , dfu-util -l says "USB Device Firmware Upgrade" , i've seen this in the wiki on the page about dfu-util for the "runtime-mode", how can i switch from u-boot Runtime Mode to u-boot DFU Mode ? |
| 12:07.36 | mbuf | ghoulsblade, what has kernel got to do with u-boot? |
| 12:08.11 | mbuf | ghoulsblade, can't you reflash the kernel? use -d 0x1457:0x5119 with dfu-util to select the flash device |
| 12:08.32 | ghoulsblade | isn't uboot mode used for flashing ? this is the wiki page i saw "runtime-mode" and "dfu-mode" http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util |
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| 12:08.42 | mbuf | ghoulsblade, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko#Actually_flashing_things_into_the_device |
| 12:09.02 | cesarb | ghoulsblade: dfu-util automatically switches uboot to dfu mode |
| 12:09.03 | mbuf | ghoulsblade, you press Aux button for few seconds, and then start pressing the power button to enter u-boot mode |
| 12:09.12 | cesarb | ghoulsblade: you should see a message on the neo screen when that happens |
| 12:09.36 | ghoulsblade | after starting with aux i only get two choices : boot and factory reset |
| 12:09.56 | ghoulsblade | when i do ./dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D ./openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01.jffs2 |
| 12:10.05 | ghoulsblade | it says No such Alternate Setting: "rootfs" |
| 12:10.26 | Henryk | ghoulsblade: oh, that's not good. there should be more than just boot and factory reset |
| 12:10.27 | ghoulsblade | ./dfu-util -l |
| 12:10.36 | ghoulsblade | says lots of undefined partitions |
| 12:10.38 | cesarb | ghoulsblade: then your uboot environment is hosed, and you thus lost your partition table |
| 12:11.00 | ghoulsblade | complete output here : http://www.pasteserver.net/5158 |
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| 12:11.36 | ghoulsblade | ok, i have the developer kit including the "debug board" , do i have to use that to fix it ? |
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| 12:13.24 | Henryk | if you can still get into the uboot console you shouldn't need the debug board (though you can) |
| 12:14.21 | ghoulsblade | haven't figured out how to get into the console yet, cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 says it is connected, but i can't type anything |
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| 12:15.33 | Henryk | try screen /dev/ttyACM0 115200 :) I find cu extremely userunfriendly |
| 12:16.26 | Henryk | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch#Configure_the_boot_loader seems to be a good way, though I can't guarantee for it. would someone with neo experience please confirm this? roh? |
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| 12:18.14 | ghoulsblade | thx for the link, i'll look into it =) cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 -s 115200 : says connected but i still can't type |
| 12:19.09 | mbuf | ghoulsblade, open another terminal, and use "stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 crtscts", now in the first terminal AT should work |
| 12:19.42 | Henryk | mbuf: that was the wrong text snippet :) |
| 12:20.39 | mbuf | Henryk, not this one? http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=256#c6 |
| 12:20.54 | ghoulsblade | hmm i tried stty -F /dev/ttyACM0 crtscts |
| 12:21.15 | ghoulsblade | but it still didn't work =\ |
| 12:21.25 | ghoulsblade | SAC0 wasn't found |
| 12:21.33 | mbuf | ghoulsblade, you are trying from the host PC ? |
| 12:21.42 | Henryk | ghoulsblade: hmm, there's a chance that your uboot console is set to serial then. then you would need the menu in the environment to set it to usb in order to use the usb to restore the menu |
| 12:21.43 | ghoulsblade | yes |
| 12:21.46 | Henryk | mbuf: you're in the wrong film |
| 12:21.56 | mbuf | Henryk, need to catch some sleep; sorry! |
| 12:22.05 | Henryk | mbuf: ghoulsblade wants to connect to the neo uboot from the host, not the modem from the neo |
| 12:22.18 | ghoulsblade | i'm trying to access the console on the neo , but i can't access it so far |
| 12:22.28 | Henryk | ghoulsblade: you should still be able to use a dfu download. wait a moment |
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| 12:23.02 | Henryk | ghoulsblade: you have a GTA01Bv4, right? |
| 12:23.03 | ghoulsblade | btw, thx for helping =) |
| 12:23.33 | ghoulsblade | don't know about Bv4, but i have Neo1973, shipment 1 , developer box with debugboard |
| 12:23.38 | ghoulsblade | (but haven't used the board yet) |
| 12:23.40 | Henryk | ok |
| 12:23.51 | Henryk | ghoulsblade: btw, did you try to factory reset menu option yet? |
| 12:23.59 | ghoulsblade | yes, didn't help |
| 12:25.05 | ghoulsblade | i started experimenting with the neo just today, first thing i did was trying to flash a kernel and rootfs, but i couldn't find the names listed in the wiki, so i took a rather new one |
| 12:25.15 | ghoulsblade | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.21 | ghoulsblade | and sudo ./dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D ./OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-September-Snapshot-20071007-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 12:25.55 | ghoulsblade | that worked without error, but i couldn't boot afterwards, and the boot menu looked different (just boot and factory settings left) |
| 12:26.41 | tuukkah | sounds as if you overwrote the uboot env |
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| 12:26.51 | Henryk | ghoulsblade: download http://people.openmoko.org/henryk/uboot_env-20071008 |
| 12:27.21 | Henryk | then do dfu-util -d 0x1457:0x5119 -a 2 -D uboot_env-20071008 |
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| 12:27.36 | ghoulsblade | thx =) i'll try that |
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| 12:28.05 | tuukkah | isn't it weird how the env got overwritten in the first place? |
| 12:28.19 | Henryk | I give no warranties about that, but it should restore your uboot env. But even if it bricks your neo, if you have the debug board you should still be able to unbrick, it's just more complicated |
| 12:29.07 | ghoulsblade | Henryk, thx, it seems to have worked without errors, i'll restart the new now |
| 12:29.53 | ghoulsblade | yay, it worked, i've got the old boot menu with more options again, thank you very much =D |
| 12:31.46 | Henryk | fine |
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| 12:41.07 | CM | Henryk: I downloaded your uboot_env too |
| 12:41.32 | CM | I'll try flashing it later. I have a problem with my mtd partitions... Btw: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bricked |
| 12:42.27 | Henryk | CM: that's a different story, yes |
| 12:42.54 | CM | Yes, it is. Thanks anyway though :-) |
| 12:44.35 | Henryk | (Note that I increased the boot delay timeout in my env, so don't be surprised if it doesn't boot unless you select "Boot" in the menu) |
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| 12:45.01 | CM | Henryk: Ah, but that's good in my opinion ;) |
| 12:46.49 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03mickey * r3115 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/ (2 files in 2 dirs): openmoko-standard-2[-qvga]: set GtkMenu::scroll-arrow-vlength to something reasonable |
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| 12:48.03 | Henryk | CM: yeah, but it kind of breaks the "switch on, oh pretty graphics *boot* more pretty graphics *booted* ah there it is" user experience |
| 12:50.08 | ghoulsblade | hmm , after flashing kernel and rootfs i got the same problem as before, i did that : |
| 12:50.08 | ghoulsblade | sudo ./dfu-util -a kernel -R -D ./uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr2937-r3-fic-gta01.bin |
| 12:50.08 | ghoulsblade | sudo ./dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D ./OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-September-Snapshot-20071007-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 12:50.22 | ghoulsblade | now the boot menu has only two entries again |
| 12:50.23 | Henryk | *uhh* locale generation takes ages |
| 12:50.44 | Henryk | ghoulsblade: you somehow keep messing up your partitions |
| 12:51.07 | ghoulsblade | i haven't inserted memory cards, do i need to do that ? |
| 12:51.15 | Henryk | no, that's ok |
| 12:51.41 | Henryk | ghoulsblade: flash the env again, reboot into uboot, set the console to usb and then cu or screen into the uboot console |
| 12:51.47 | ghoulsblade | could the dfu-util be a broken version ? |
| 12:52.08 | Henryk | then examine the partition layout, though i'm a bit lost there. someone might want to take over? |
| 12:52.34 | Henryk | (I'm at OEDEM currently and we'll be leaving for lunch soon) |
| 12:53.36 | Ralp1 | seems to be a uboot issure |
| 12:54.06 | Ralp1 | did you flash a new uboot as well? |
| 12:54.54 | ghoulsblade | hmm i successfully connected to the console (first time for me) , how do ich check partition layout ? fdisk didn't work |
| 12:55.18 | Ralp1 | fdisk? was hast du vor? |
| 12:55.31 | ghoulsblade | i expected linux =) |
| 12:55.48 | Ralp1 | u mean what? |
| 12:56.08 | Ralp1 | ok what is your sticking point here? |
| 12:56.19 | ghoulsblade | Henryk, said i should check the partition layout =) no idea how to, i'm a newbee |
| 12:56.44 | Ralp1 | yes, but what did you want to acomplish |
| 12:56.44 | ghoulsblade | the point is my partions seem to mess up every time i flash kernel+rootfs |
| 12:56.59 | Ralp1 | on you neo? |
| 12:57.10 | Ralp1 | or on you host |
| 12:57.14 | ghoulsblade | yes, i just started toying with it today |
| 12:57.40 | Ralp1 | ok so you have flashed uboot before? |
| 12:58.06 | ghoulsblade | after these two commands my bootmenu is reduced to 2 entries : boot and reset factory settings or so, and i cannot boot (bad magic number or so) or even flash unless i overwrite the uboot again |
| 12:58.14 | ghoulsblade | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:58.19 | ghoulsblade | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:59.16 | Ralp1 | well i didnt flash uboot for a while now, because i didnt need to - but maybe you just should do that |
| 12:59.18 | ghoulsblade | i didn't flash it at the first try, but i couldn't flash anything else after that , so henryk gave me a uboot to flash and that worked |
| 12:59.46 | ghoulsblade | but it breaks again after i flash kernel+rootfs |
| 12:59.49 | Ralp1 | ok and then you had all the options on you boot menu |
| 13:00.19 | Ralp1 | didnt had that problem - strange |
| 13:00.40 | ghoulsblade | when i first turned the neo on i had all the options, after flashing kernel+rootfs there were only two (boot + factory) , after flashing the uboot from henryk ,all options are back |
| 13:00.59 | Ralp1 | aha |
| 13:01.17 | Ralp1 | ok - well how about flashing a newer version of openmoko |
| 13:01.22 | ghoulsblade | so at least i can repeat the process now with different kernels and rootfs systems |
| 13:02.08 | ghoulsblade | i tried the second pair now, and it's the same result |
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| 13:02.16 | ghoulsblade | at first i tried those two : ./uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr2937-r3-fic-gta01.bin ./OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-September-Snapshot-20071007-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 13:02.34 | ghoulsblade | now i've tried those two : ./uImage-fic-gta01-latest.bin ./openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01.jffs2 |
| 13:02.48 | ghoulsblade | but still same error |
| 13:03.04 | CM | ghoulsblade: You seem to have the same problem as me |
| 13:03.12 | CM | My partitions are messed up |
| 13:03.17 | Ralp1 | well thats probably just the symlinked versions |
| 13:03.21 | ghoulsblade | could you point me to a good version please ? i'm a bit confused about the filesnames |
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| 13:03.26 | CM | So when I flash the kernel, it overwrites the uboot_env |
| 13:03.45 | Ralp1 | dfu-util? |
| 13:03.51 | ghoulsblade | ah, ok, at least i'm not the only one having the problem |
| 13:03.54 | CM | So I only have 2 items in my menu |
| 13:04.02 | Ralp1 | maybe dfu-util is broken CM? |
| 13:04.05 | ghoulsblade | yep, me too, only two items after booting |
| 13:04.10 | ghoulsblade | i mean flashing |
| 13:04.31 | CM | ghoulsblade: Check http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=765 and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bricked |
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| 13:04.45 | ghoulsblade | thx, will read them |
| 13:04.53 | CM | ghoulsblade: Do you have a debug board? |
| 13:05.42 | ghoulsblade | yes |
| 13:05.51 | CM | Good, I don't.. :P |
| 13:06.05 | ghoulsblade | but do i need it ? i can get the full menu back by booting the uboot from henryk |
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| 13:06.28 | ghoulsblade | ( http://people.openmoko.org/henryk/uboot_env-20071008 and then dfu-util -d 0x1457:0x5119 -a 2 -D uboot_env-20071008 ) |
| 13:06.37 | CM | ghoulsblade: I will do that too |
| 13:06.39 | Ralp1 | ghoulsblade - i would try a older dfu-util |
| 13:06.50 | LaF0rge | ARGH |
| 13:06.52 | ghoulsblade | ok, i'll look if i find one |
| 13:06.58 | CM | ghoulsblade: But if the partition table is bad, you might need to use the debugboard |
| 13:07.03 | LaF0rge | please DO NEVER copy the environment of a different device into another device |
| 13:07.27 | LaF0rge | the partition device is specific for _every unit_ |
| 13:07.38 | LaF0rge | s/partition device/partition table/ |
| 13:07.45 | ghoulsblade | huh ? /me is newbee here, sorry, that suggestion was from henryk |
| 13:08.08 | SpeedEvil | A bad blocks thing I assume. |
| 13:08.30 | CM | But uboot_env is not a partition table, it's just the menu or? |
| 13:08.39 | LaF0rge | speed: yes, should all be documented in the wiki :) |
| 13:08.52 | LaF0rge | the environment _contains_ the partition table |
| 13:09.02 | CM | Ah, ok |
| 13:09.25 | CM | Is there any way to repair it? |
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| 13:09.45 | SpeedEvil | So it'd be a good idea to back it up? |
| 13:09.54 | kristian-m | LaF0rge what do you mean by environment? - a u-boot dump? |
| 13:09.55 | LaF0rge | you can always recreate it |
| 13:10.02 | LaF0rge | u-boot_env |
| 13:10.06 | LaF0rge | guys, please read the docs ;) |
| 13:10.06 | kristian-m | i see |
| 13:10.13 | CM | But you will need a debugboard to recreate it? |
| 13:10.16 | LaF0rge | no |
| 13:10.39 | CM | Ok. Good... |
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| 13:11.31 | ghoulsblade | i did read the instructions in the wiki, but couldn't find the filenames for initial flash , so i took some new ones, and could neither boot nor flash after that (i did NOT change uboot at first, just kernel + rootfs) |
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| 13:11.42 | LaF0rge | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NAND_bad_blocks#Partition_Table |
| 13:11.49 | ghoulsblade | thx =) |
| 13:12.29 | CM | Ah, nice |
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| 13:17.13 | CM | Hmm.. Looks a bit scary without a debug board. |
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| 13:19.24 | tuukkah | CM, running dynpart? |
| 13:19.33 | CM | tuukkah: Yes |
| 13:20.27 | tuukkah | i wouldn't say so, if it doesn't do any changes to the config unless you saveenv too |
| 13:20.28 | LaF0rge | tuukkah: no, is not dangerous. first dynpart, then saveenv |
| 13:20.58 | LaF0rge | yes, you can also run 'dynpart' at every boot manually if you don't want to save it. but why not save it if your environment is busted already? |
| 13:21.16 | CM | But how do I run it? |
| 13:21.31 | tuukkah | it may be good to check that the numbers it produces are sensible |
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| 13:21.44 | CM | The serial console is open for a few seconds even if I don't have the menu item for it or? |
| 13:21.52 | tuukkah | there *is* a risk of hosing the uboot, i suppose |
| 13:22.35 | LaF0rge | CM: just boot while AUX is pressed and you can acccess ttyACM0 |
| 13:22.41 | CM | I regret not getting a debug board. Hadn't planned to play around with uboot or partitions like this, but unfortunately I guess I managed to do that anyway. |
| 13:22.45 | CM | Ok, thanks. |
| 13:22.59 | CM | I thought I needed to have the USB to Serial item on the boot menu |
| 13:23.25 | tuukkah | usb console seems to be the default |
| 13:23.51 | LaF0rge | tuukah: if it's in the environment ;) |
| 13:24.34 | CM | Will a "nand erase" remove everything, uboot too? |
| 13:24.47 | CM | I'm not sure what ". The BBT scanning code assumes that the NAND is completely erased, i.e. only contains 0xff as content. Any block that contains bytes != 0xff in the OOB is marked as "factory bad" block." really means |
| 13:26.05 | LaF0rge | CM: yes |
| 13:26.16 | LaF0rge | CM: you don't want bad block scanning |
| 13:26.20 | LaF0rge | CM: you want a partition table. |
| 13:26.30 | CM | Ok |
| 13:26.32 | SpeedEvil | You can't reliably scan for bad blocks |
| 13:27.07 | CM | I'll just try the dynpart and see how it goes |
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| 13:27.23 | CM | LaF0rge: Thanks a lot :) |
| 13:30.46 | Ralp1 | allright - now again who can help me with SIM stuff |
| 13:31.22 | Ralp1 | i want to read data from SIM - can I do this directly or just through the gsm modem? |
| 13:31.27 | tuukkah | LaF0rge, is there a plan on how to enable ATH while ATD is in progress? |
| 13:35.01 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3116 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/s3c2410_udc-2440_dual_packet-workaround.patch: add patch from werner to work around s3c2440 dual packet mode usb hangs |
| 13:35.15 | abraxa_ | Ralp1: From what I understand the SIM is hooked up to the GSM modem, leaving only AT commands to access it |
| 13:35.31 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3117 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/series: add dual packet workaround to series |
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| 13:37.01 | Ralp1 | abraxa - yes i thought so |
| 13:38.09 | Ralp1 | i have been browsing and googling all day long - i cant find a AT Command for reading the Welcome Text and other specific Data on the SIM |
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| 13:38.24 | Ralp1 | someone can help me out here? |
| 13:38.55 | Ralp1 | maybe i just havend typed in the correct keyword yet |
| 13:39.57 | Ralp1 | CIA-23 is a robot, right? |
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| 13:40.46 | ynezz | it is |
| 13:40.51 | abraxa_ | Yeah it is - and did you check the GSM specification? |
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| 13:42.41 | Ralph | yes - i have read through that 0707.pdf |
| 13:44.00 | Ralph | there is a lot of stuff all around the PhoneBook and SMS stuff but no Text / Operator Data |
| 13:44.24 | Ralph | operator only is listed from network |
| 13:46.07 | abraxa_ | Writchie: Do you still have the Enfora engineering mode manual for the EDG0108TN001? The download is now auth protected |
| 13:46.59 | abraxa_ | Same question goes to kristian-m and rwhitby ;) |
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| 13:48.04 | abraxa_ | Never mind, found it |
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| 14:01.26 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/en.pfd |
| 14:02.20 | SpeedEvil | df |
| 14:03.34 | abraxa_ | Thanks, SpeedEvil, I was just trying the direct link and it failed - browing it on the page succeeded however :) |
| 14:03.56 | SpeedEvil | h |
| 14:04.00 | SpeedEvil | k even |
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| 14:05.34 | _diego__ | how can i add a new app, to the openmoko-today menu? |
| 14:09.28 | Henryk | ghoulsblade: ah, I'm just back from lunch and wanted to tell you about it not being a good idea to copy the env from one device to another (I met roh on the way), but as I see LaF0rge already did that |
| 14:10.06 | CM | Henryk: And LaF0rge gave us tips how to fix it :) |
| 14:10.15 | Henryk | CM: fine |
| 14:10.39 | Henryk | roh gave me these too and suggested a final solution would be to extend uboot |
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| 14:14.19 | abraxa_ | _diego__: Create a .desktop entry in /usr/share/applications/ |
| 14:18.46 | abraxa_ | Ralp1: What part of the SIM do you want to access in particular? |
| 14:19.20 | Henryk | Ralp1: there are two AT commands to get sim access |
| 14:19.43 | Henryk | restricted (giving you only phonebook and similar) and generic (giving you everything except GSM related) |
| 14:20.34 | Henryk | Ralp1: get yourself a copy of GSM 07.07 and look up +CRSM and +CSIM |
| 14:21.51 | _diego__ | abraxa_, thanks |
| 14:33.28 | Henryk | Shoragan: kernel built cleanly, now flashing |
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| 14:36.19 | guaqua | make update-makefile && make clean && make setup && make update && make should be enough to clean everything up and get the most up-to-date stuff? |
| 14:37.04 | Mek | is 'make openmoko-devel-image' supposed to be failing with some undefined references when compiling webkit-gtk? |
| 14:38.46 | guaqua | let's take that make setup out of there |
| 14:39.22 | Henryk | Mek: it's not actually supposed to, but there are some known problems with that code |
| 14:40.12 | tuukkah | Mek, i needed to remove the webkit stuff from tmp/ before the build succeeded |
| 14:41.28 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3118 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokojournal2/ (ChangeLog doc/reference/Makefile.am): * doc/reference/Makefile.am: Fix spurious += to single = |
| 14:42.22 | tuukkah | does anyone get more than an error as a response to AT+CNUM? |
| 14:43.18 | gordonsyme | Mek: does for me :/ |
| 14:44.08 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3119 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta02-core.patch: |
| 14:44.08 | CIA-23 | openmoko: GTA02: add definitions for gsensor GPIO and IRQ |
| 14:44.08 | CIA-23 | openmoko: GTA02: vbus_draw is a void function, not int |
| 14:44.50 | Henryk | tuukkah: works for me |
| 14:45.00 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3120 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/lis302dl.patch: use new #defines for gta02 gsensor IRQ and GPIO |
| 14:45.13 | tuukkah | Mek, gordonsyme, specifically, the files i needed to remove were tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/libWebKitGtk.* |
| 14:45.36 | tuukkah | Henryk, and you get you phone number or? |
| 14:45.43 | gordonsyme | tuukkah: ta |
| 14:46.02 | Henryk | tuukkah: yeah, get my phone number |
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| 14:46.14 | Henryk | Shoragan: scrolling is more fluid now |
| 14:47.10 | tuukkah | Henryk, i get "+CME ERROR: 22" so perhaps my sim card doesn't include my number... |
| 14:47.40 | Henryk | 22 is not found. strange |
| 14:53.16 | tuukkah | nothing important though |
| 14:55.52 | hrw | tuukkah: AT+CMEE=2 - then CME errors will be in text not only numbers |
| 14:56.54 | tuukkah | hrw, thanks! i suppose gsmd won't like that though |
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| 15:12.59 | zecke|OEDEM2007 | LaF0rge: I think I did already |
| 15:13.29 | zecke|OEDEM2007 | LaF0rge: I have two log-ins as my first password included a '"' which can't be entered... |
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| 15:16.36 | LaF0rge | zecke: oh, you did already. sorry. must have missed it |
| 15:17.33 | zecke|OEDEM2007 | LaF0rge: well, the CfP has been restarted they want to focus on developers even more |
| 15:18.40 | zecke|OEDEM2007 | haha, my talk even starts with "Using" :} |
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| 15:19.56 | PBeck | hi |
| 15:20.04 | LaF0rge | zecke: but it's used by developers |
| 15:20.08 | LaF0rge | zecke: hasn't been rejected |
| 15:20.21 | robtaylor | mickeyl: enjoy your holiday? :) |
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| 15:23.15 | zecke|OEDEM2007 | LaF0rge: yes, and I assume the old "users first, get stuck, get developers" approach |
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| 15:26.16 | zecke|OEDEM2007 | LaF0rge: I'm keen on going to FOSS.IN, so I would appreciate getting feedback soon so I can adjust |
| 15:31.51 | CM | Am I the only one having trouble building webkit-gtk? http://rafb.net/p/RWkOeR55.html |
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| 15:35.16 | ScaredyCat | probably |
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| 15:37.15 | zecke|OEDEM2007 | CM: bitbake -crebuild qmake2-native icu; bitbake webkit-gtk |
| 15:39.04 | CM | zecke|OEDEM2007: Thanks! :) |
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| 15:54.09 | ScaredyCat | rm -rf / too |
| 15:55.51 | mwester | ScaredyCat: I just tried that, but it didn't seem to fix my problem. :( |
| 15:56.06 | Henryk | exit the chroot first :) |
| 15:56.09 | ScaredyCat | it should fix *all* your problems |
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| 15:58.23 | polz | arrrrrr |
| 15:58.38 | polz | could someone please let me pirate their gpsd ? :P |
| 16:01.18 | kristian-m | me too |
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| 16:01.24 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3121 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/ (s3c2410-pwm.patch series): Add new S3C2410 PWM core (Javi Roman) |
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| 16:04.07 | polz | I'd like to show the TV viewers in Slovenia that the GPS on the Neo1973 works :P |
| 16:04.31 | Tv | polz: you want to show piracy on national television? |
| 16:04.43 | Tv | that might send the wrong message.. |
| 16:05.07 | polz | Tv: that message is still better than "it has a GPS chip but you can't use it." |
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| 16:26.42 | abraxa_ | Does anyone happen to know how to read values from GtkSettings? |
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| 16:32.51 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r3122 10/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/src/main.c: |
| 16:32.51 | CIA-23 | openmoko: main.c (main): don't invoke resolve_device_path unless we need to resolve a |
| 16:32.51 | CIA-23 | openmoko: path name (zero return code caused confusion) |
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| 16:36.33 | gamin | any word about the release of the gllin? |
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| 16:38.00 | cb22 | gamin, first rule of gllin: don't speak of gllin :) |
| 16:39.30 | gamin | cb22: but was to be released "any day" months ago :( |
| 16:40.24 | gamin | so nobody using the gps, nobody using the phone? |
| 16:40.43 | gamin | except for some development / playing around? |
| 16:40.44 | LaF0rge | well, you can have the oabi version, no problem |
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| 16:41.24 | Henryk | I'm playing around with the gps. (oabi in chroot) |
| 16:41.39 | abraxa_ | LaF0rge: Does that mean it's legal to distribute the oabi binary now? |
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| 16:42.36 | LaF0rge | abraxa: no, only for us and under certain circumstances |
| 16:42.58 | abraxa_ | LaF0rge: Ah, okay |
| 16:44.20 | gamin | is there any status page on the wiki concerning powermanagement, gsmd and gps/gllin? |
| 16:44.58 | SpeedEvil | Neo1973:GTA01:Power Managment |
| 16:45.00 | SpeedEvil | or something |
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| 16:45.21 | SpeedEvil | That's |
| 16:45.23 | SpeedEvil | PM only |
| 16:45.33 | kristian-m | abraxa_ well it's a struct can't you just read out the values? |
| 16:47.03 | kristian-m | abraxa_ ah i see, you can use g_object_get on the settings "object" |
| 16:47.17 | gamin | SpeedEvil: found that, but my question is how much stand-by time is currently doable? |
| 16:47.32 | gamin | my neo finally arrives this week... |
| 16:47.37 | abraxa_ | kristian-m: Hmm... I'll give it a shot |
| 16:48.13 | gamin | am curious if I can use it already as phone |
| 16:48.31 | abraxa_ | kristian-m: What throws me off is that you can define setting parsers but it doesn't say anywhere how or where you can access the data parsed from the RC files |
| 16:49.29 | gamin | but looking through the cvs check ins, development on the gta01 seems kind of stalled in favour of gta02? |
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| 16:51.11 | Henryk | even gta01 code is improving |
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| 16:51.59 | gamin | Henryk, do you use yours as your daily phone? |
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| 16:52.20 | Henryk | no |
| 16:52.52 | Henryk | it actually belongs to the university and I might not have it with me always |
| 16:53.23 | gamin | Henryk: sounds like you consider it kind of usable already? |
| 16:53.36 | Henryk | no |
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| 16:54.32 | flaushy | Henryk: which university are u working for, if i may ask |
| 16:54.45 | Henryk | It can do calls, receive calls (though that capability is somewhat non-deterministic yet, about 80% success rate, e.g. if it doesn't ask for pin after boot: reboot). but no phonebook/sms, as far as i can tell |
| 16:54.53 | Henryk | flaushy: Humboldt-Universität zu Berlin |
| 16:55.02 | flaushy | ah cool |
| 16:55.09 | flaushy | greetings from the TU-Dresden ;) |
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| 17:00.06 | kristian-m | Henryk ho have you managed to make them pay for it? - I heared universities in germany are not allowed to pay for mobile phones... |
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| 17:05.27 | Henryk | kristian-m: it's not the university directly, but the chair. And I even think, because the chair was only established recently, that it might even have been berufungsmittel. But yes, apparently that quite a bit of telephoning to do, because payment had to be done by credit card, not in euros, and payment in advance |
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| 17:07.12 | Henryk | And accepting the shipment with paying customs charges to the UPS carrier in cash at the door apparently turned out to be completely impossible. E.g. UPS did 3 delivery attempts that were aborted with "Recipient had no funds available" and I then had to pick the package up, paying myself and then got refunded later on |
| 17:07.18 | cjb_ie | http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/08/business/media/08googlephone.html?_r=1&oref=slogin |
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| 17:08.52 | kristian-m | Henryk i see, well we had to write special requests and i think they are not even affirmed yet - anyway strange system. |
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| 17:10.34 | CM | cjb_ie: Interesting, but not much facts in that article |
| 17:10.50 | CM | I really wonder what they are working on |
| 17:10.56 | Henryk | kristian-m: yes, my boss baught it on his own credit card and then had to do two round-trips to get the refund going but I think it worked out in the end. |
| 17:12.06 | Henryk | kristian-m: I tripped the whole process off on the day that the sale was opened and then my boss and his boss (who is the chair holder) did this telephoning to get the project approved at all. I guess it helped that the Professor was behind it |
| 17:12.26 | ScaredyCat | http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/08/asus-p5e3-deluxe-mobo-boots-in-five-seconds-with-embedded-linux/ |
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| 17:13.26 | CM | ScaredyCat: Hehe.. "allowing you to update your Facebook profile almost instantly" |
| 17:13.36 | ScaredyCat | *cough* |
| 17:13.45 | Vegar | sounds pretty useless |
| 17:14.24 | cb22 | CM, and all you read was facebook ^-^ |
| 17:14.41 | ScaredyCat | CM: is probably 12 |
| 17:15.02 | cb22 | ah, that explains the teen hour :p |
| 17:15.14 | ScaredyCat | heheh |
| 17:15.15 | CM | :P |
| 17:15.18 | kristian-m | Henryk jap, when profs really want to do something they can find a way. you're lucky with your bosses then :-) (actually me too) |
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| 17:16.32 | torpor | yo dogs |
| 17:16.35 | torpor | sup |
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| 17:17.11 | comicinker | hi people! I want to install linux on my htc magician. If I use haret and flash it, will I destroy the bootloader? can Restore the windows after applying haret? |
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| 17:19.02 | abraxa_ | comicinker: No offense but I'm really not sure if this is the right place to ask this ;) |
| 17:19.44 | Henryk | except of course you want to try and port openmoko to it |
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| 17:24.02 | comicinker | of corse I wil try! |
| 17:24.43 | torpor | comicinker: once you get a bootable kernel its all easy from there .. |
| 17:24.56 | viq | Did anyone ever try swapping the left and right channels of speakers in linux? |
| 17:25.57 | comicinker | yeah, but I think after it: may I have to go back to windows. can I restore it? |
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| 17:29.46 | comicinker | torpor: you don't have a idea, do you? |
| 17:29.56 | Tronic_ | viq: Kinda. |
| 17:30.00 | Tronic_ | viq: Why? |
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| 17:30.39 | viq | Tronic_: because the speakers I just got make two wrong assumptions: 1) this length of cables should be enough for anyone 2) the computer stands on the right. |
| 17:30.57 | torpor | comicinker: about what? |
| 17:31.43 | comicinker | if I can restore windows after flashing the pocketpc with openmoko |
| 17:31.55 | torpor | okay no i'm not sure. |
| 17:31.57 | torpor | i don't do windows |
| 17:32.05 | Tronic_ | viq: Something like this in asound.conf: http://rafb.net/p/x992tS41.txt |
| 17:32.52 | viq | that ttable thing in there? |
| 17:34.06 | Tronic_ | Yes, it defines which channel goes where and how loud. |
| 17:34.13 | viq | ok, thanks |
| 17:34.37 | viq | ...and now I'd better make sure the sound card I intend to get is supported too |
| 17:34.52 | Tronic_ | Just don't buy anything Creative and you'll be fine. |
| 17:35.26 | viq | eh, I was thinking about SB Audigy SE |
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| 17:41.14 | gavin8or | What exactly does this mean? |
| 17:41.18 | gavin8or | EVENT: Netreg searching for network |
| 17:41.18 | gavin8or | EVENT: Netreg registration denied |
| 17:41.32 | gavin8or | that's in the libgsm-tool shell |
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| 17:43.24 | Henryk | gavin8or: the network doesn't like you and/or you put in the wrong pin, i would think |
| 17:45.00 | gavin8or | Yes I would think |
| 17:45.13 | gavin8or | The same sim card works in all my other phones I have laying around |
| 17:45.23 | gavin8or | And I don't think it needs a PIN |
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| 17:46.56 | Henryk | oh, and then there i heard some talks about some sims not working, but that again is a point where someone else should chime in |
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| 17:49.13 | CM | gavin8or: check http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=666 |
| 17:49.20 | CM | If it's a 3G sim that is |
| 17:49.51 | XorA | DONG DONG |
| 17:50.29 | Henryk | bug 666 :) |
| 17:50.43 | CM | Easy to remember ;) |
| 17:50.59 | Vegar | an appropriate bug number |
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| 17:56.54 | gavin8or | hrm maybe it is G3 |
| 17:57.06 | gavin8or | I was pretty sure it wasn't cause there wasn't a G3 logo anywhere |
| 17:57.32 | gavin8or | But there really isn't any logo at all... it's just a brand spanking new Dobson (Cellular One) SIM |
| 17:57.42 | gavin8or | Can anyone confirm what these green things are? |
| 17:58.02 | CM | Trees? Grass? |
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| 17:59.22 | ScaredyCat | bogey! |
| 18:00.06 | bedboi | hi there |
| 18:00.37 | bedboi | any good news? |
| 18:01.55 | Henryk | ok, leaving for food |
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| 18:02.55 | gavin8or | No one here uses CellularOne Prepaid? |
| 18:03.02 | gavin8or | Probably for good reason eh :( |
| 18:03.15 | CM | Yes, most of us seem to be in Europe |
| 18:03.18 | CM | ;) |
| 18:03.38 | CM | I haven't head anyone from US mentioning CelularOne either though |
| 18:05.49 | gavin8or | Don't wink at me! lol |
| 18:05.59 | gavin8or | It's not my fault cell coverage sucks here |
| 18:06.08 | torpor | gah! |
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| 18:06.15 | torpor | why is webkit borked?!!?! |
| 18:06.43 | mwester | That's its normal state of being. |
| 18:06.47 | CM | torpor: bitbake -c rebuild qmake2-native icu; bitbake -c rebuild webkit-gtk |
| 18:07.09 | CM | mwester: Hehe.. Sad but true ;) |
| 18:07.10 | torpor | CM: thanks. |
| 18:07.26 | torpor | doing that now lets see how it goes .. |
| 18:07.28 | CM | torpor: That just worked for me, zecke gave me that tip |
| 18:07.33 | torpor | right on |
| 18:07.37 | torpor | gonna do it now |
| 18:07.50 | CM | My error before was http://rafb.net/p/RWkOeR55.html |
| 18:08.15 | CM | torpor: Be in build and source ../setup-env, but I guess you know that by now.. :) |
| 18:08.51 | torpor | CM: mine was the same error |
| 18:08.56 | torpor | and yeah thanks for the tip i knew |
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| 20:02.22 | viq | Writchie: that BT problem you talked about (can't answer phone with BT headset) - is it a hardware issue, or is it possible there will be software fix for it? |
| 20:03.20 | Writchie | viq: its a hardware problem on GT02 - the hardware lines required have be re-used for the WiFi |
| 20:03.31 | viq | ok, thank you |
| 20:03.48 | SpeedEvil | It's not that. |
| 20:03.50 | Writchie | viq: there is still a small possibility of a workaround through the USB wakeup |
| 20:03.58 | Writchie | not what? |
| 20:04.00 | SpeedEvil | It's can't wake on pressing the hold button on a bluetooth headset |
| 20:04.10 | SpeedEvil | or on pressing a key on a bluetooth keyb |
| 20:04.37 | SpeedEvil | it can wake on calls and then answer on the headset |
| 20:04.42 | Writchie | viq: my bad: the function that will not work is waking up the neo from the headset |
| 20:04.54 | SpeedEvil | As the device is awake at that time - due to being woken by the modem |
| 20:04.56 | viq | So... What won't I be able to do? |
| 20:05.11 | Writchie | original a call by pressing BT headset button |
| 20:05.19 | SpeedEvil | from the phone asleep press a bluetooth keyboard or mouse to wake them up |
| 20:05.20 | Writchie | or any similar function |
| 20:05.22 | SpeedEvil | it up |
| 20:05.32 | viq | ah, ok. |
| 20:06.03 | Vegar | right |
| 20:06.16 | Vegar | not such a serious issue then? |
| 20:06.31 | mjr | not for most users, I think |
| 20:06.39 | SpeedEvil | It's an annoying, rather than a show-stopper for most users. |
| 20:06.40 | mjr | for some, an inconvenience, certainly |
| 20:06.45 | Writchie | well it's pretty serious for BT users this that's how we make calls |
| 20:06.56 | SpeedEvil | For some it's a real inconvenience. |
| 20:07.13 | SpeedEvil | For example, if the phone is in a zipped pocket, and you're on a bike. |
| 20:07.33 | Vegar | couldn't you just "touch" the pocket to wake it up? |
| 20:07.49 | SpeedEvil | In theory - but then it'll wakeup on any other random touch. |
| 20:07.54 | SpeedEvil | And waste battery. |
| 20:08.15 | Writchie | this is a day one BT use case |
| 20:08.16 | orospakr | harsh, there's no wake on bluetooth? |
| 20:08.22 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 20:08.28 | orospakr | dang. |
| 20:08.33 | SpeedEvil | Not without horribly intricate workarounds. |
| 20:08.41 | Vegar | I thought bluetooth was connected through USB |
| 20:08.43 | SpeedEvil | That have to be implemented |
| 20:08.46 | SpeedEvil | It is. |
| 20:08.50 | orospakr | that's almost as bad as the "GSM doesn't work at all" problem. :P |
| 20:08.55 | SpeedEvil | But the chipset also supports seperate 'wake' lines. |
| 20:09.08 | SpeedEvil | Whihc are not brought out to the mainboard |
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| 20:11.40 | SpeedEvil | That bit is annoyingly hard to hack. |
| 20:11.54 | SpeedEvil | The bluetooth module is solderred to the board. |
| 20:12.08 | mwester | hence the soldering iron in the kit :P :D |
| 20:12.21 | SpeedEvil | And it's also under the LCD module |
| 20:12.25 | SpeedEvil | which is glued to the board. |
| 20:12.34 | Writchie | and soldered to FPC IIRC |
| 20:12.35 | viq | hence the magnifying glass ;) |
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| 20:12.44 | SpeedEvil | Not that easy. |
| 20:12.55 | SpeedEvil | You have to pry the LCD off the board, and pray you don't break it. |
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| 20:13.43 | Jumb0 | hello people |
| 20:13.45 | SpeedEvil | Then desolder the BT thingy |
| 20:13.48 | mwester | You know, you'd think they'd just reallocate the GPIO pin from something less useful... like... Oh - how about the GPS??? |
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| 20:14.17 | viq | pray the LCD off the board ;) |
| 20:14.24 | mwester | (Whats the smiley for sarcasm?) |
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| 20:14.27 | SpeedEvil | I think it could actually be wire-OR'd with the modem ring signal |
| 20:14.40 | SpeedEvil | but I haven't really looked closely at it |
| 20:14.43 | mwester | SpeedEvil: that's just too smart. |
| 20:15.05 | Jumb0 | I'm considering buying this to do some development and tailor the phone to my business. Would you recommend this? |
| 20:15.08 | mwester | Sheesh, we've only been dealing with shared interrupts since the dawn of the 8086 :) |
| 20:15.26 | SpeedEvil | Jumb0: what buisness? |
| 20:15.38 | Jumb0 | it's an ebusiness. TapeOnline.com |
| 20:15.48 | viq | mwester: only 6000 more years to go ;) |
| 20:15.50 | Jumb0 | SpeedEvil: I'd like to develop some CRM integrations |
| 20:15.57 | SpeedEvil | Jumb0: at the moment - the basic phone functions don't work very well. |
| 20:16.02 | Jumb0 | SpeedEvil: Possible SugarCRM integration |
| 20:16.18 | Jumb0 | SpeedEvil: meaning phone calls don't work? |
| 20:16.27 | SpeedEvil | However, it's a perfectly functional GTK desktop - with about the same performance as a 100Mhz pentium. |
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| 20:16.46 | SpeedEvil | Phone calls apparently work on recent builds - a week or so. |
| 20:16.59 | SpeedEvil | There are still major issues with the rest of the system. |
| 20:17.15 | Jumb0 | SpeedEvil: how long does it take to rebuild and install the os? |
| 20:17.33 | SpeedEvil | The build process takes 12+ hours on most machine. |
| 20:17.45 | Jumb0 | SpeedEvil: Whaaaa? |
| 20:17.48 | Jumb0 | 12 hours |
| 20:17.52 | Jumb0 | omg |
| 20:17.52 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 20:18.10 | Jumb0 | why so long? |
| 20:18.24 | russellb | because it's a crapton of stuff? |
| 20:18.40 | emdete | Jumb0: because your machine is so slow? :D |
| 20:18.45 | Writchie | kitchen sink and then some |
| 20:18.51 | mwester | Jumb0: you're building an entire distro, not just a kernel or a single application. |
| 20:19.12 | Writchie | i wouldn't call an x2 5000+ exactly slow |
| 20:19.14 | Jumb0 | yea but it's a distro for a mobile device... how big could it be? |
| 20:19.30 | Writchie | it builds the universe first |
| 20:19.30 | emdete | Writchie: not? lets talk about that in about 5 years or so |
| 20:19.33 | mwester | Jumb0: So it starts by building native versions of key tools, building the cross compilers and related tools, then starting on libc and basic things like that, and working up from there. |
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| 20:20.00 | Jumb0 | geez... |
| 20:20.07 | mwester | Jumb0: 6 hours on a dual-core 2.4GHz system. |
| 20:20.46 | Jumb0 | mwester: what IDE is everyone using? |
| 20:20.57 | mwester | Jumb0: I expect that in some weeks or a few months at most, the core components will stabilize, and an SDK will be available. Then you'll be able to just build your app. |
| 20:21.03 | mwester | Jumb0: IDE == vi |
| 20:21.09 | Jumb0 | lol |
| 20:21.16 | Jumb0 | oh noez |
| 20:21.30 | emdete | Jumb0: you can probably use emacs too... |
| 20:21.42 | russellb | vim <3 |
| 20:21.43 | Writchie | or even sed if you want |
| 20:21.48 | Jumb0 | and you're using a c compiler? |
| 20:22.00 | mwester | cat if you're lucky. and yes, it's C |
| 20:22.24 | viq | nah, write assembler by hand ;P |
| 20:22.46 | mwester | I've done that, and don't wish to do it any more! |
| 20:23.05 | Writchie | those were the days |
| 20:23.06 | viq | hehe |
| 20:23.11 | Writchie | 4K ram |
| 20:23.12 | russellb | i can't wait to get one so i can help hack on it ... |
| 20:23.25 | mwester | Jumb0: There's someone that was/is working on a JVM for the device, if you like Java... |
| 20:23.43 | Jumb0 | mwester: i like java. i like c too. |
| 20:23.44 | mwester | And no reason why C++ won't work, just that the core apps are all C |
| 20:23.50 | Jumb0 | but i hate 6 hour build times |
| 20:24.08 | mwester | Me too. Especially when SOMEONE commits something that breaks the buld. |
| 20:24.16 | mwester | Which happens fairly often. |
| 20:24.26 | Jumb0 | are you all using the same svn repo? |
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| 20:25.06 | mwester | It's a mix. The build environment is OpenEmbedded, which uses Monotone, but it pulls code from svn repos. |
| 20:25.35 | mwester | Very few people on this channel actually have commit access. We submit code via bug reports mainly. |
| 20:26.24 | Jumb0 | can i get access to the source without buying the dev kit? |
| 20:26.36 | guaqua | the source is in the repo |
| 20:26.46 | Jumb0 | link me to the repo plz |
| 20:27.04 | guaqua | wiki.openmoko.org gets you started |
| 20:27.16 | Jumb0 | ty |
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| 20:54.42 | ag0ny | good evening everyone |
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| 20:59.17 | woglinde | hi agony |
| 21:00.36 | ag0ny | woglinde: i remember your nick from somewhere...have you been in openembedded channel some time ago (like 2 years)? |
| 21:08.03 | woglinde | agony I am stil on |
| 21:08.43 | ag0ny | woglinde: ah, ok :) /whois did not show that :) |
| 21:08.57 | woglinde | hm |
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| 21:22.22 | kaje | I can't find it anywhere on the site, can someone tell me when the 1973 will be available to the general public? |
| 21:22.44 | viq | kaje: check the topic |
| 21:23.14 | kaje | GTA02 == General Public Release? |
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| 21:23.26 | viq | Yes, the consumer model |
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| 21:24.07 | kaje | I see... I know the phone is GSM only... what are the top US GSM companies? I use Verizon now and I believe they are only CDMA...? |
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| 21:30.27 | SpeedEvil | there is a list on the wiki |
| 21:30.38 | SpeedEvil | [[Carriers]] ? |
| 21:35.09 | ag0ny | good night everyone |
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| 21:54.08 | BryceLeo | torpor: you around? |
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| 21:56.40 | BryceLeo | dang guess, not. Oh well. Hello room |
| 21:57.44 | SpeedEvil | 19:08 <torpor> and yeah thanks for the tip i knew |
| 21:57.45 | SpeedEvil | 22:54 <BryceLeo> torpor: you around? |
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| 21:59.52 | BryceLeo | sup SpeedEvil |
| 22:02.03 | gavin8or | Can anyone confirm for me that the GSM radio doesn't work on GSM850? |
| 22:02.31 | gavin8or | I've been beating my head against this wall for several hours again this afternoon and it would be nice if someone would just put my out of my misery |
| 22:02.46 | SpeedEvil | Not much. |
| 22:03.01 | SpeedEvil | gavin8or: I've heard several people asking that question in various forums. |
| 22:03.06 | SpeedEvil | I've never heard a yes. |
| 22:03.31 | ljp | it _should_ work with 850 |
| 22:03.39 | gavin8or | I know |
| 22:03.54 | SpeedEvil | However - it was not put through FCC approval for the 850Mhz band. |
| 22:04.01 | SpeedEvil | And some people have reported problems. |
| 22:04.01 | gavin8or | -nods- |
| 22:04.07 | gavin8or | affirmative |
| 22:04.25 | SpeedEvil | There is a trivial way for anyone with 850MHz service and a spectrum analyser. |
| 22:04.28 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 22:05.14 | gavin8or | I have miles and miles of 850 only service... no spectrum analyzer |
| 22:05.29 | gavin8or | I could get one at the HAM meeting tomorrow night though |
| 22:05.40 | gavin8or | SpeedEvil, what is the process |
| 22:05.46 | SpeedEvil | The analyser - or some other means of checking frequency - would fix it. |
| 22:05.58 | SpeedEvil | Basically you're looking for a transmission on 850MHz |
| 22:06.07 | SpeedEvil | comparing with another phone that works with the same SIM |
| 22:06.22 | SpeedEvil | A spectrum analyser is _dramatic_ overkill |
| 22:06.27 | gavin8or | Oh I already know that the tower only operates on that band |
| 22:06.48 | SpeedEvil | I mean - is the phone A) trying to talk to the tower - and being rejected for some reason. |
| 22:06.53 | SpeedEvil | or B) Not even trying. |
| 22:06.58 | gavin8or | The other phones I hack work just fine on the 850 |
| 22:07.01 | SpeedEvil | If it's B), then it's the neos fault. |
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| 22:07.22 | SpeedEvil | For absolute certain - if it's A, it could be a standards problem - which'd be TIs problem |
| 22:07.23 | gavin8or | ahh ok because I think it's A) |
| 22:07.43 | SpeedEvil | B) would likely be it's been told not to. |
| 22:08.17 | gavin8or | What if the AT+COPS command takes a long time? |
| 22:08.21 | mwester | which would make sense, if the device failed to get FCC approval - a simple flag in the firmware would suffice to ensure that no laws were broken. |
| 22:08.24 | gavin8or | Is that evidence of A)? |
| 22:08.39 | SpeedEvil | Don't know. |
| 22:08.56 | SpeedEvil | you have tried it manually? |
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| 22:09.10 | SpeedEvil | at+cops (after at+cfun=1) and then at+cops? after it returns? |
| 22:09.14 | gavin8or | Probably 200 times in the past 6 weeks |
| 22:09.20 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 22:09.44 | joelbryan | Hello, is there a list of compatible hardware for openmoko? |
| 22:09.53 | Writchie | There is not one postivie indication that GSM850 is enabled in NEO - all evidence points to the contrary |
| 22:09.56 | gavin8or | Yes the SIM card works ok, I'm able to access it manually |
| 22:10.00 | SpeedEvil | joelbryan: yes - about second para on teh mainpage on the wiki |
| 22:10.03 | joelbryan | I have a Nokia 7710, and I like to install anything Linux in it. |
| 22:10.10 | mwester | Of course, the Openmoko folks on this channel *could* pop in with an answer, and save the community enormous amounts of effort in guessing at the 800MHz issue, or testing things... |
| 22:10.13 | SpeedEvil | joelbryan: it already has linux on it. |
| 22:10.29 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 22:10.33 | SpeedEvil | I was meaning the 770 |
| 22:10.35 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 22:10.38 | joelbryan | no, it's the model before Nokia 770 |
| 22:10.40 | Writchie | its been asked on the lists as well - again with only a silent reply |
| 22:10.43 | mwester | LaF0rge knows, I'm certain. |
| 22:10.56 | SpeedEvil | joelbryan: it's about the second para on the wiki - 'other hardware' |
| 22:11.26 | mwester | At this point, I can't imagine why there wouldn't be an answer yes or no (or even we don't know yet), it's not like 1,000 people are going to try to return the Neo's... |
| 22:11.30 | Writchie | its strange - because if its actually enabled then its illegal but it should work - if its disabled then its legal so whats the problem acknowleging it. |
| 22:12.08 | gavin8or | I think if the company was honest about the status of 850Mhz it would remove entirely my frusteration right now |
| 22:12.35 | bkruse | russellb: :] |
| 22:12.40 | bkruse | whats up guys? |
| 22:12.44 | Writchie | the closest to any real information was a canadian user who could not originate but could terminate in a dual 850/1900 environment |
| 22:12.47 | bkruse | its josh from mokowiki around? |
| 22:12.56 | joelbryan | any distro out there that can replace symbian? |
| 22:13.01 | mwester | Well, I'm moving forward on the presumption that the unit either wasn't tested, or failed testing on 850, therefore that band was disabled in the firmware. |
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| 22:13.12 | gavin8or | I don't mind learning that a feature doesn't work... wouldn't ruin my day really |
| 22:13.18 | Writchie | mwester: that's my assumption as well |
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| 22:13.27 | gavin8or | But struggling with this could ruin the rest of my week |
| 22:13.32 | mwester | gavin8or: it's not like it's the only feature that doesnt' or won't work, |
| 22:13.48 | gavin8or | Yes other than this I've been really happy with the phone :) |
| 22:13.48 | vallor | dang, now I've discharged both batteries that came with the kit -- I just need a USB power source charger thingy (like blackberries use) to charge these batteries, right? |
| 22:13.50 | Writchie | and since a firmware upgrade is likely to be required for AT&T anyway it doesn't make a whole lot of diff |
| 22:14.21 | Writchie | vallor: that will take at least overnight |
| 22:14.23 | gavin8or | I wish I could get AT&T here |
| 22:14.24 | SpeedEvil | Though it's not been confirmed that firmware upgrade is not a RTB issue. |
| 22:14.28 | SpeedEvil | Which is anoying. |
| 22:14.33 | russellb | bkruse: greetings sir |
| 22:14.42 | SpeedEvil | vallor: no - you can charge in the neo. |
| 22:14.45 | Writchie | you really need to use USB to linux box (or windows box running linux in vmware |
| 22:15.08 | SpeedEvil | vallor: remove battery from neo for 5 min or so. Replace battery, plug into powered USB, and it'll charge at 40mA |
| 22:15.08 | mwester | RTB? |
| 22:15.14 | SpeedEvil | REturn to Base |
| 22:15.20 | gavin8or | I'd hae to check the chart on the wall here... one sec |
| 22:15.28 | SpeedEvil | Which will charge it in about a day and a half. |
| 22:15.28 | vallor | SpeedEvil: but if the battery is totally drained, it can't tell the usb port that it is there, and to turn on the charge power -- I have a friend who explained this happening with his blackberry |
| 22:15.34 | vallor | oh, okay |
| 22:15.37 | vallor | I will try that :) |
| 22:15.51 | SpeedEvil | vallor: once it's been on charge about half an hour, you can try booting it |
| 22:16.01 | mwester | SpeedEvil: Meaning that the firmware issue *can* be fixed in the field? |
| 22:16.01 | SpeedEvil | (connected to a PC) |
| 22:16.25 | SpeedEvil | mwester: can does not mean FIC are allowed to let users do that. |
| 22:16.28 | vallor | by "powered usb" you mean just an ordinary usb port, that I'd been using to charge it before? |
| 22:16.56 | SpeedEvil | vallor: it requires a USB port with an active host with drivers for the USB gadget drivers. |
| 22:17.03 | mwester | SpeedEvil: Yes, but it does mean that FIC may allow authorized others to do so... |
| 22:17.08 | SpeedEvil | Or at least one that's willing to negotiate to allow it power. |
| 22:17.10 | vallor | SpeedEvil: ah, no problem there :) |
| 22:17.37 | gavin8or | one more stupid question and i'm going to give up on this |
| 22:18.01 | gavin8or | AT+CFUN=1 might return with ERROR but it still puts the modem in phone mode, correct? |
| 22:18.12 | SpeedEvil | gavin8or: I wouldn't think so |
| 22:18.25 | Writchie | gavin8or: should not: |
| 22:18.35 | gavin8or | the wiki seems to show that as normal behavior |
| 22:18.57 | Writchie | perhaps error if already in mode 1? |
| 22:19.15 | SpeedEvil | It may be error if something has been sent to the modem already |
| 22:19.23 | SpeedEvil | maybe bootup garbage |
| 22:19.27 | gavin8or | hrm |
| 22:19.32 | SpeedEvil | I'd send CR first |
| 22:19.57 | vallor | this is the second embedded linux device I'm played with -- the first is a meraki, which we are using to deploy wifi all through our geographic area "ubiquitously" :) |
| 22:20.47 | BryceLeo | didn't meraki decide to F* over a whole bunch of their higher tier useers? |
| 22:20.58 | vallor | : - o I hadn't heard that |
| 22:21.25 | BryceLeo | http://gigaom.com/2007/10/07/meraki-price-hike/ |
| 22:22.52 | vallor | BryceLeo: :( |
| 22:23.18 | vallor | I didn't know they'd done that :( |
| 22:24.22 | BryceLeo | yeah... sorry to bring the bad news |
| 22:24.36 | BryceLeo | if you contact them you might be able to get the lower rate for the gear |
| 22:25.23 | BryceLeo | i didn't think it was too cool |
| 22:25.45 | BryceLeo | but the project looks awesome tho |
| 22:26.15 | vallor | BryceLeo: I've just posted a query to our dept-heads list |
| 22:26.33 | vallor | BryceLeo: we are mention in the article |
| 22:26.37 | vallor | (sonic.net) |
| 22:27.50 | BryceLeo | ohhh i didn't know that was you! |
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| 22:28.31 | vallor | yeppers :) |
| 22:29.21 | BryceLeo | sweet project dude |
| 22:29.50 | vallor | yeppers, hopefully it will take off like wildfire |
| 22:30.23 | BryceLeo | it seems like a damn nice idea |
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| 22:30.40 | BryceLeo | the only problem would be people torrenting off of the wifi and the dsl subscriber getting whacked with a subpoena |
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| 22:32.22 | vallor | well, that would be difficult, since they are behind a router (without port forwarding) |
| 22:32.53 | vallor | also there's some tunnelling involved, where for some operations, they appear to be coming from Meraki's network |
| 22:33.48 | SpeedEvil | BryceLeo: and the general problem of free stuff getting overused. |
| 22:34.02 | BryceLeo | still seems risky, i'd have to sit down at it to see how the setup would have to go |
| 22:34.03 | SpeedEvil | Without some price, some users will use as much as they can. |
| 22:34.07 | vallor | "the tragedy of the dipwits" ;P |
| 22:34.12 | BryceLeo | SpeedEvil: how true |
| 22:34.20 | BryceLeo | lol vallor good also true |
| 22:36.46 | mwester | Just to be the devil's advocate: even at $150 a unit, the service costs to install it and the costs to manage it far exceed the hardware cost. |
| 22:37.14 | SpeedEvil | Not in some cases, |
| 22:37.21 | SpeedEvil | Donated labour. |
| 22:37.38 | mwester | Also, some larger players may welcome the price increase, the capital costs for that bit of hardware are small, relatively speaking (probably less than rent in SF!), and it raises the barrier to entry for small startup competitors... |
| 22:38.06 | SpeedEvil | fon.net |
| 22:38.07 | BryceLeo | that's fair enough, but still 150 isn't terribly unreasonable if the ad revenues are right |
| 22:38.27 | mwester | Donated labor is unlikely for the tier that gets socked with the $150 -- that's more likely in the $50 space. |
| 22:39.09 | SpeedEvil | .com even |
| 22:39.54 | BryceLeo | lol |
| 22:40.00 | BryceLeo | SpeedEvil: fon looks pretty cool |
| 22:40.21 | vallor | I think the Meraki ad-based portal stuff is only for the $50 version -- everybody else can be branded, iirc |
| 22:40.46 | SpeedEvil | It's a damn shame that this wasn't worked out when 802.11 was developed. |
| 22:40.57 | SpeedEvil | Some central registry of VPN providers. |
| 22:41.10 | SpeedEvil | A means of micropayment for traffic to those VPN providers. |
| 22:41.17 | SpeedEvil | Job done. |
| 22:41.24 | BryceLeo | that sounds nice |
| 22:41.34 | SpeedEvil | And a box on every router setup saying 'how much do you want to charge' |
| 22:41.38 | BryceLeo | shame that mimo isn't a standard or that wifi doesn't scale better too |
| 22:41.45 | vallor | indeed -- btw, what is a fair price for offering VPN service, do you think? |
| 22:41.55 | SpeedEvil | Whatever the market will bear. |
| 22:42.17 | vallor | $9.95? |
| 22:42.19 | SpeedEvil | If you are too expensive, your neighbour can setup a cheaper node, and get all teh buisness. |
| 22:42.20 | vallor | $9.95/month |
| 22:42.42 | vallor | no, I mean, for an ISP to let you tunnel in from anywhere to their vpn concentrator |
| 22:42.45 | SpeedEvil | For what sort of VPN? |
| 22:42.56 | SpeedEvil | what sort of bandwidth? |
| 22:43.11 | vallor | as much as you want, I guess |
| 22:43.43 | vallor | bandwidth doesn't really matter at that level, the vpn concentrator is on our backbone |
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| 22:44.04 | vallor | we have multiple Gig-e connections to transit providers, if that's what you're asking |
| 22:44.08 | SpeedEvil | For me to consider paying 9.95, I'd want to have my own IP. |
| 22:44.26 | vallor | hmm, you mean a static IP? |
| 22:44.35 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 22:44.41 | vallor | let me check, I think we already do that |
| 22:45.02 | joelbryan | or you can just set up your own server, and had dyndns and like to map your ip. |
| 22:45.12 | SpeedEvil | I mean a IP at the far end on the link, allowing whatever inbound and outbound traffic. |
| 22:45.13 | buz | does the 9.95 include fighting with the riaa? if so, i might know some customers for you |
| 22:45.32 | Jumb0 | hey guys. the website says that there will be a production release of this product this month. is this true? |
| 22:45.36 | joelbryan | yay, does that mean I passed! |
| 22:45.44 | buz | see topic |
| 22:45.48 | SpeedEvil | Which website Jumb0? |
| 22:45.57 | SpeedEvil | The october date will not be hit. |
| 22:46.04 | SpeedEvil | For customers anyway |
| 22:46.18 | Jumb0 | finding link. 1 sec |
| 22:46.51 | SpeedEvil | December ot so. |
| 22:47.00 | SpeedEvil | joelbryan: no - the P in VPN is for Private |
| 22:47.01 | Jumb0 | SpeedEvil: http://www.openmoko.com/products-neo-advanced-00-develkit.html |
| 22:47.08 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. |
| 22:47.15 | SpeedEvil | They need to get this crap fixed. |
| 22:47.35 | Jumb0 | SpeedEvil: I'm a developer. Is the water really warm? |
| 22:47.44 | SpeedEvil | No, even though it's on the shop pages, it's unfortunately not going to be available. |
| 22:47.56 | SpeedEvil | And even in December, it is unlikely to be end-user ready. |
| 22:49.06 | Jumb0 | SpeedEvil: so i can't order the dev kit? |
| 22:49.15 | SpeedEvil | Not of GTA02 |
| 22:49.20 | SpeedEvil | you can order GTA01 |
| 22:49.41 | SpeedEvil | (no wifi, ...) |
| 22:50.36 | Jumb0 | when can i order it? |
| 22:51.02 | SpeedEvil | That's not been revealed - for the next version. |
| 22:51.18 | SpeedEvil | No preorder scheme or anything has been announced. |
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| 22:51.28 | Henryk | re |
| 22:51.55 | BryceLeo | i'm not really expecting gta02 till feb or march |
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| 22:53.39 | Henryk | end user release, yes |
| 22:54.58 | mwester | At the current development rate, end user release isn't likely either! We can only hope they get the gta02 hardware done, and we can get one or two of the core team back on the software side. |
| 22:55.17 | vallor | how much traffic were you talking about, SpeedEvil ? |
| 22:55.50 | mwester | Failing that, we need some more folks who have access to some of the proprietary documentation on things like the hardware and the GSM modem. |
| 22:56.55 | BryceLeo | and for gta02 we're gonna really be hurting if there's no one dedicated to the graphics accell drivers and functionality |
| 22:57.26 | SpeedEvil | vallor: I dunno - I'd want at least a gig/month bare minimum. |
| 22:57.38 | vallor | oh, okay |
| 22:57.44 | SpeedEvil | vallor: if you were somewhere the RIAA couldn't sue, more :) |
| 22:57.59 | vallor | we're in California |
| 22:58.08 | vallor | and that sounds like it could be a bit scary, hehe |
| 22:59.18 | SpeedEvil | Though I'd really want some service like http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Server:Proxy on it too. |
| 22:59.26 | SpeedEvil | (compressing differential web proxy) |
| 22:59.40 | vallor | hmm |
| 23:01.06 | vallor | well, we can do the static IP and the inbound connections -- as far as compression goes, it's basically whatever you can get out of the Cisco VPN client |
| 23:01.30 | vallor | http://sonic.net/features/vpn/ |
| 23:02.05 | SpeedEvil | yeah - that's for ideal cases. In practice - at 9.99/mo, I'm not unlikely to go with a shell account which allows me to run stuff there, and use ssh as a proxy. |
| 23:02.41 | SpeedEvil | using the ssh SOCKS client option |
| 23:02.56 | Henryk | (for cisco vpn client replacement vpnc works reasonably well) |
| 23:03.00 | vallor | yes, that's what I do to get at our resources behind our firewall |
| 23:03.30 | vallor | with this quick little proxy manager that I use, I forget the name |
| 23:04.51 | SpeedEvil | The web proxy thing is really needed for browsing over GPRS. |
| 23:05.02 | SpeedEvil | Otherwise ebay et al is deeply unpleasant. |
| 23:05.33 | BryceLeo | gprs is slooooooowwww |
| 23:05.33 | vallor | oh definitely |
| 23:05.37 | vallor | HMM! |
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| 23:07.08 | vallor | a vpn service for openmoko users -- "I see a great need." :) |
| 23:07.21 | vallor | could just do it as a special kind of shell account |
| 23:07.59 | BryceLeo | lol someone sees dollar signs |
| 23:08.09 | Henryk | for web browsing? there's already a company offering that: opera |
| 23:08.11 | vallor | ;P |
| 23:08.27 | vallor | BryceLeo: no, not dollarsigns -- nerd points ;P |
| 23:08.34 | SpeedEvil | Henryk: a compressing proxy? |
| 23:08.38 | BryceLeo | lol yay nerdpoints |
| 23:09.05 | Henryk | SpeedEvil: yeah. their browser uses their own proxy system which strips down pages and compresses images and stuff |
| 23:09.57 | SpeedEvil | Not quite what I was aiming at. |
| 23:10.22 | SpeedEvil | I was more looking at compressing based on page changes and similar pages already in a hundred meg or so cache. |
| 23:10.56 | BryceLeo | could always just provide public squid servers |
| 23:11.04 | SpeedEvil | For example, there is lots of commonality between one ebay page and another. Even if they are auctions for different items. |
| 23:11.36 | SpeedEvil | squid doesn't give 10* traffic reduction. |
| 23:11.44 | SpeedEvil | (which some tests indicated) |
| 23:11.59 | BryceLeo | there really needs to be a browser that lets you just cache css only |
| 23:12.05 | BryceLeo | that'd be a pretty decent reduction right htere |
| 23:12.09 | Henryk | BryceLeo: yes, because open proxies are totally cool ;-) |
| 23:12.15 | BryceLeo | squid is easy enough |
| 23:12.43 | BryceLeo | lol twas that a jibe Henryk? (my internet sarcasm detector is broken) |
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| 23:14.08 | Henryk | BryceLeo: it was. Officially operating and promoting an open proxy will certainly make for good fun with lots of 'interesting' talks to the police and other interested parties |
| 23:14.49 | SpeedEvil | Squid though - download ebay.com twice. It'll differ by some 200 bytes or so a load. Do things right on a differential proxy compressor, and you can reload it in 100 bytes or so. Even the best compression will only take you to 15K. |
| 23:15.23 | vallor | (ahem) -- in the words of djb: "Profile, don't speculate." |
| 23:15.29 | SpeedEvil | I have done. |
| 23:15.41 | BryceLeo | Henryk: where do you live that that happens? |
| 23:15.41 | SpeedEvil | Offline profiling though - I don't have working code |
| 23:16.14 | vallor | Henryk: it wouldn't be open, there would be a customer relationship of some sort |
| 23:16.34 | vallor | SpeedEvil: I was referring to Henryk's idea that it would be totally open |
| 23:16.57 | Henryk | BryceLeo: i would expect that to happen in any western country, as soon as the first moron uses the proxy to do stupid things like child porn, spam, cracks and the like |
| 23:17.42 | BryceLeo | well cracks are no problem but spam and child porn would be an issue |
| 23:17.44 | vallor | Henryk: I'm not talking about an "open proxy" |
| 23:18.04 | BryceLeo | Henryk: still no reason you can't use squid at the core and just not have it open |
| 23:18.36 | Henryk | vallor: ok, then it would be only a minor problem, as long as know exactly who to blame |
| 23:18.46 | vallor | precisely |
| 23:19.50 | vallor | we already have VPN service for our customers, which includes anyone coming in from our old wireless hot spot's (but I'm not sure what we're going to do with the meraki's) |
| 23:20.07 | Jumb0 | i don't understand how they can have ads all over their site and even a whole write-up on Economist.com (http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9531007) but have so few features. You can't even make a phone call yet? |
| 23:20.21 | Henryk | (and yes, "cracks" as in "people breaking into other people's systems" would be a problem, even if not a legal one. There are a lot of morons out there that, when their IDS, firewall or even ZoneAlarm shows an IP address that sends them, like, pings, will somehow track down a phone number and yell at you. Of course that's even worse when real criminal activities take place) |
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| 23:22.00 | gmaxwell | My openmono arrived today. I can make calls from it! WHOOOPIE!!! |
| 23:22.04 | BryceLeo | Henryk: ahh you mean cracking. Sure it could be a problem, but really, it happens everywhere. Not providing a service doens't stop it |
| 23:23.40 | Henryk | BryceLeo: well okay, maybe that's just a phobia of mine, but I've always been trying really hard to avoid letting other people send things from my addresses |
| 23:24.07 | BryceLeo | Henryk: i can see what you mean, but i usally run services with trusted clients only, |
| 23:24.27 | BryceLeo | like you register your mac with me and i verify you're a user and you get access |
| 23:25.34 | Jumb0 | gmaxwell: did you get the model with wifi? |
| 23:25.43 | Henryk | Jumb0: no wifi models yet |
| 23:25.57 | Jumb0 | lies |
| 23:26.02 | Henryk | or, actually, I've seen two or three today :) |
| 23:26.08 | Jumb0 | what's with all the false advertisement for this product? |
| 23:26.18 | gmaxwell | Jumb0, No there is no wifi device shipping yet. |
| 23:26.31 | Henryk | there is no false advertisement, because there is no advertisement yet |
| 23:26.32 | gmaxwell | Jumb0, False advertisement? the webpages are clear that the version with wifi is not yet available. |
| 23:26.34 | SpeedEvil | Jumb0: confused advertising. And inadequately updated websites. |
| 23:26.50 | gmaxwell | Or at least I was never confused. |
| 23:27.07 | Jumb0 | This is going to be such a great product... |
| 23:27.14 | Jumb0 | just can't stand waiting |
| 23:27.31 | gmaxwell | Anyone have any pointers to debugging for the dialer? it doesn't correctly detect that I'm registered for some reason. :) |
| 23:27.37 | Jumb0 | i hate to spend 450 for the dev kit and it not be the newest but i guess that's how it goes |
| 23:27.46 | gmaxwell | GSM calls work fine manually for me but the dialer has only worked a couple of times. |
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| 23:27.56 | Henryk | FIC doesn't ship any end user version yet, has not already fully planned shipping end user versions and therefore doesn't advertise any end user version yet. whatever you might have heard in false advertisment is between you and whoever told you that |
| 23:28.14 | Henryk | (though of course I'll agree there's a certain amount of hype. and not without good cause) |
| 23:28.25 | Jumb0 | Henryk: how about this? http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9531007 |
| 23:28.36 | gmaxwell | Jumb0, it is really cool but it is not ready for you if you don't want to do development. |
| 23:28.38 | Jumb0 | Henryk: they're a pretty credible source |
| 23:28.50 | Henryk | Jumb0: that's an article, written by a journalist |
| 23:29.36 | BryceLeo | Jumb0: why would you buy a dev kit if you're not a developer |
| 23:29.41 | Jumb0 | omg |
| 23:30.13 | Henryk | so then: don't |
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| 23:30.47 | Henryk | (except of course if you're also a hardware hacker and want to mod it :) |
| 23:30.49 | gmaxwell | So, no advice on dialer debugging? |
| 23:31.16 | Henryk | gmaxwell: the dialer shouldn't be the problem. does the tray icon show a connection? |
| 23:31.39 | Henryk | gmaxwell: how new is your image? I think there was an update regarding a similar problem two weeks ago or something like that |
| 23:32.16 | gmaxwell | Henryk, I'm running OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-September-Snapshot-20071007-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 .... Two issues there: icon tray only shows up one in every 2-3 reboots, and I think it's showing no connection. |
| 23:32.26 | gmaxwell | Little antenna icon has a ? |
| 23:32.28 | gmaxwell | next to it. |
| 23:32.46 | gmaxwell | However, if I stop gsmd and hit the modem with some AT commands I can make and recieve calls fine. |
| 23:32.56 | Henryk | right, that's no connection. a connection would be indicated by two arrows and a number of bars indicating signal strength |
| 23:33.45 | gmaxwell | Also interesting: For grins I booted the qtopia image.. and it's signal indicator stuff worked great.. but I couldn't call.. I'm presuming because it wasn't correctly throbbing the mixer or something because I never got a peep out of it. |
| 23:33.48 | mwester | gmaxwell: There have been many fixes (and new bugs introduced as well) since that snapshot. |
| 23:34.05 | gmaxwell | mwester, Is there a build of a newer snapshot available? :) |
| 23:34.09 | BryceLeo | yeah, new bugs is getting even more and more common with the builds |
| 23:34.15 | Henryk | gmaxwell: you need to restart the dialer (and best event the tray) after stopping and restarting gsmd, e.g. /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart. How is it going if you don't kill gsmd but use libgsmd-tool? |
| 23:34.36 | mwester | I have none that I trust right this moment. |
| 23:34.42 | gmaxwell | I wasn't aware of libgsmd-tool. Give me a moment. :) |
| 23:34.50 | Henryk | oh, and yes, the tray not coming up once every 2 or 3 times is a current problem, yeah |
| 23:35.48 | mwester | The tray problem seems to be in the battery code, so if you remove the battery option from the command line in /etc/matchbox/session, it's better behaved. |
| 23:36.03 | Henryk | gmaxwell: ah, ok :) libgsmd-tool would actually be the preferred way to test gsmd without having to rely on the dialer etc. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd#libgsmd-tool |
| 23:36.07 | gmaxwell | I fear no bugs.. I just don't know where to get started diagnosing them. ;) hmm.. so I restarted X. |
| 23:36.38 | Henryk | (and libgsmd-tool also has an AT passthrough mode) |
| 23:36.53 | gmaxwell | it claimed to not find gsmd and be starting it ... (which was odd because I hadn't stopped it) |
| 23:36.54 | gmaxwell | ** (openmoko-dialer:1250): WARNING **: libgsmd: can't connect to gsmd. You won't receive any events. |
| 23:37.08 | gmaxwell | .. and a nice popup gsmd connection error window. |
| 23:37.09 | Henryk | gmaxwell: hmm, maybe it crashed? |
| 23:37.12 | gmaxwell | but it's running. |
| 23:37.19 | mwester | Yep, old bug. |
| 23:38.17 | mwester | You can try just "ipkg upgrade libgsmd" to get the latest gsmd stuff - that would go a long way to getting you working with the current bugs, anyway. |
| 23:38.33 | Henryk | oh, I should sleep now. OEDEM2007 is continuing in 8hours20minutes (and it takes me about 1.5hours to prepare and get there) |
| 23:39.41 | gmaxwell | hm does the dial command w/ libgsmd need the trailing ; for voice calls? |
| 23:40.01 | Henryk | probably not |
| 23:40.33 | Henryk | oh, and to reset the mixer settings to gsm handset: alsactl -f /etc/gsmhandset.state restore |
| 23:40.50 | gmaxwell | Yep. I'm all skilled with the mixer controls now. ;) |
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| 23:41.14 | Henryk | ok, g'night then, bye |
| 23:41.21 | gmaxwell | Thanks for your help. |
| 23:41.24 | BryceLeo | night |
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| 23:52.07 | gmaxwell | I was pretty much already up to date. I guess Henryk / mwester didn't notice the "20071007" in my image name. |
| 23:53.37 | Mek | I guess they got confues by the "September" part of the image name... |
| 23:55.18 | cesarb | Mek: today is September 38, isn't it? ;-) |
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| 23:55.28 | don-o | lol |
| 23:55.41 | don-o | is there a "what works on the neo" page? |
| 23:56.08 | gmaxwell | the splash page claims "august snapshot build" ;) |
| 23:56.25 | BryceLeo | wait waht... it's not sept 38th? |
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| 23:57.01 | cesarb | don-o: there's that testing reports page on the wiki, isn't there? |
| 23:59.21 | don-o | cesarb: yeah i think this is it: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing |
