| 00:00.03 | cesarb | orospakr_: the fs corruption manifests itself in crazy things like files missing, things which should be files or directories being something else, and so on |
| 00:00.40 | orospakr_ | yikes. I'd best upgrade that uboot, then. still, which one should I use? |
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| 00:00.51 | cesarb | orospakr_: so far, I'm still using the august snapshot uboot (too lazy to break that small piece of paper with the red cross), but I'm thinking of doing some things to uboot's first few pages... |
| 00:01.11 | cesarb | orospakr_: as long as you remember to always run "nand erase rootfs" before flashing the rootfs, the corruption doesn't happen |
| 00:01.43 | cesarb | orospakr_: the bug was a miscalculation in the amount of space which should be erased automatically when flashing the rootfs (it wasn't erasing enough) |
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| 00:04.58 | SpeedEvil | And do not mistype that as 'nand erase' |
| 00:09.44 | thomasg | ^^ |
| 00:10.44 | orospakr_ | SpeedEvil: I heard about that particular misadventure. :) |
| 00:10.55 | orospakr_ | u-boot should have a confirmation prompt. |
| 00:11.05 | orospakr_ | "THIS WILL BRICK THE DEVICE." |
| 00:11.51 | cesarb | orospakr_: uboot follows the unix traditions |
| 00:12.01 | cesarb | orospakr_: never ask for confirmation |
| 00:12.11 | cesarb | orospakr_: never print anything on success, only on failure |
| 00:12.27 | cesarb | orospakr_: assume the user know what he's doing |
| 00:12.32 | cesarb | orospakr_: and so on |
| 00:12.54 | cesarb | orospakr_: besides, it's not meant to be used by mere mortals... |
| 00:13.16 | cesarb | orospakr_: which would be safely using the "padded cell" of the GUIs |
| 00:13.24 | thomasg | that's the success of windows: assume the user never knows what he does :) |
| 00:14.01 | sagacis | thomasg: Or, assume the user REALLY meant to do something entirely different |
| 00:14.03 | sagacis | and just do it |
| 00:14.07 | thomasg | :) |
| 00:14.15 | cesarb | thomasg: windows is very inconsistent at that... there are lots of places where it lets the user shot himself in the foot with no warning at all |
| 00:14.22 | thomasg | "Do you really want to shut down now?" |
| 00:14.25 | thomasg | "No!!!" |
| 00:14.29 | thomasg | "Shutting down..." :) |
| 00:14.45 | cesarb | thomasg: and other places where it doesn't trust the user at all (what was that one, nine prompts to delete a single icon? |
| 00:14.46 | cesarb | ) |
| 00:15.04 | cjb_ie | it's almost like it was written by more than one person |
| 00:15.10 | thomasg | cesarb: imho it's goot this way: it's gonna be painful if windows would trust it's users :) |
| 00:15.14 | thomasg | *good |
| 00:16.02 | cesarb | http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=151250154&size=o <- classic example |
| 00:16.38 | thomasg | hehe. I really should take a look at vista, looks funny |
| 00:16.41 | sagacis | mwester GSMD still doesn't work on boot for me. I'm going to add the gsmd stop/start to the matchbox session again. |
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| 00:21.09 | CoreDump|home | cesarb: lol, nice one. I didn't realize the vista wanna-be-auth crap was that bad =) |
| 00:21.57 | cesarb | CoreDump|home: ah, that particular example has already been fixed, since it was from one of the betas... but I've heard there are other equally ridiculous situations still remaining ;-) |
| 00:22.27 | orospakr_ | yay, I tink I've verified that my problem was the NAND issue, not the fakeroot issue. |
| 00:22.32 | CoreDump|home | I have to admit,windows has a certain entertainment value =) |
| 00:22.37 | cesarb | UAC is a very bizarre "you are the administrator, but not quite" scheme... you theorically can do everything, but the OS stops and prompts you when you try |
| 00:23.15 | cesarb | not to mention the REAL root acount is SYSTEM, which you don't actually have access to... so even as administrator you cannot do some things (unless you use your administrator powers to make SYSTEM run something for you) |
| 00:23.50 | CoreDump|home | I bet in the next major windows version, they implement unix-like user and permission management to finally get it right |
| 00:23.53 | cesarb | (and, historically, even normal users could find things like unprotected registry entries which would be read by SYSTEM as a list of things to do (simplifying a bit)... |
| 00:24.03 | CoreDump|home | hehe |
| 00:24.26 | unknown_lamer | CoreDump|home: and the everyone on unix will be using acls |
| 00:24.34 | unknown_lamer | actually doesn |
| 00:24.37 | unknown_lamer | t ntfs use acls? |
| 00:24.38 | cesarb | windows' overkill security system actually works against it. the permission scheme is so baroque and flexible most people fail to configure it correctly (even people from ms itself) |
| 00:25.02 | cesarb | not to mention "Bypass Traverse Checking"... |
| 00:25.34 | CoreDump|home | unknown_lamer: I have yet to see a need for ACLs in my home setup =) |
| 00:25.35 | cesarb | http://blogs.technet.com/markrussinovich/archive/2005/10/19/the-bypass-traverse-checking-or-is-it-the-change-notify-privilege.aspx |
| 00:25.35 | sagacis | I called my other phone from the neo and hung up after one ring. The ring continued until timed out. I'm probably leaving voicemail as I type. |
| 00:25.36 | mwester | sagacis: can you be more clear on how it's failing? Can you post your /etc/gsm.log file? |
| 00:26.00 | sagacis | Same thing. ERROR 23 the first time gmsd is started. OK the second. |
| 00:26.18 | cesarb | CoreDump|home: ACLs are very useful for sharing a directory or file to another user without having to setup special groups. |
| 00:26.21 | unknown_lamer | CoreDump|home: they come in handy if you run a kerberos server and cross domain with your internet host who has an afs share |
| 00:26.49 | unknown_lamer | CoreDump|home: and then work on projects with other members of the coop (letting them write to your shared repos and such) |
| 00:26.54 | orospakr_ | hm, the Dialer complains that I'm not registered to the network, and I'm seeing the antenna ? mark in the notification area. gsm.log: http://pastie.caboo.se/103938 |
| 00:28.17 | orospakr_ | I just updated the paste with two new lines (regarding a timeout) that just showed up. |
| 00:28.19 | CoreDump|home | unknown_lamer: that sounds very painful =) I guess ACLs are a good thing for enterprise use then. Too bad im too lazy to read up on them ;) |
| 00:28.54 | mwester | sagacis: Ok. You probably should open a new bug report on that as it's a new problem not previously observed (or if it was, nobody else has opened a bug report as far as I can tell). |
| 00:28.57 | orospakr_ | modem dead. :( |
| 00:29.03 | unknown_lamer | CoreDump|home: it is actually very trivial and quite convenient |
| 00:29.10 | cesarb | CoreDump|home: POSIX ACLs are quite simple (unlike the windows monstrosity). Unfortunately, the page on the project to add them to linux (which had a good explanation) disappeared from the net long ago. |
| 00:29.31 | unknown_lamer | CoreDump|home: they are similar to unix permissions except that you have one field -- the list |
| 00:29.36 | unknown_lamer | CoreDump|home: then you add users and groups to that list |
| 00:29.57 | unknown_lamer | CoreDump|home: the world permission is simulated by a magic anyuser group |
| 00:29.57 | cesarb | mwester: I've seen the "no answer to CFUN/COPS" before when you ran them too fast and gsmd got confused, but it doesn't seem to be the case |
| 00:30.07 | unknown_lamer | CoreDump|home: much much simpler than having three arbitrary groupings of permissions |
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| 00:30.38 | CoreDump|home | but the original permissions (U/G/O) still work? |
| 00:30.44 | unknown_lamer | sometimes |
| 00:30.51 | cesarb | CoreDump|home: yeah |
| 00:30.53 | unknown_lamer | afs ignores them I dunno what other filesystems that use acls do |
| 00:31.28 | cesarb | unknown_lamer: posix ACLs keep user/group/other, and adds mask and the ability to add arbitrary users |
| 00:31.45 | cesarb | (there's also some "default" stuff for directories) |
| 00:32.47 | paroneayea | I tried clicking on the GSM icon and selecting "power up GSM antenna" and the bar with my battery, bluetooth, etc applets disappeared |
| 00:32.52 | paroneayea | is this a known issue? |
| 00:33.02 | Psi | anyone know if the little amount of GSM radio noise during calls is due to hardware design or just something in the audio system which isnt setup properly yet. |
| 00:33.03 | unknown_lamer | cesarb: are posix acls recursive wrt groups? |
| 00:33.04 | cesarb | paroneayea: yep |
| 00:33.06 | mwester | Sounds about right :) |
| 00:33.14 | cesarb | paroneayea: it's a very common thing |
| 00:33.29 | paroneayea | so, the gsm antenna is not on when you boot up? |
| 00:33.32 | paroneayea | you have to turn it on? |
| 00:33.33 | cesarb | paroneayea: just don't try to touch the icons bar, and if you are lucky they won't crash ;-) |
| 00:33.36 | mwester | Psi: probably both. |
| 00:33.40 | Psi | heh |
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| 00:34.16 | cesarb | paroneayea: it's on when you boot... it's only that gsmd often gets confused and fails to do things (like registering to the network) correctly |
| 00:34.19 | mwester | There's a designed-in amount of noise, because people respond poorly to talking into a completely silent digital phone. The amount of noise may need tweaking. |
| 00:34.21 | Psi | hopefully its fixed in gta02 if its hardware |
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| 00:34.40 | mwester | Psi: As I understand it, it's all software controlled. |
| 00:34.52 | cesarb | unknown_lamer: don't remember... I never played with the "default" part, which is where any recursion would be |
| 00:36.33 | orospakr_ | if I manually submit the AT commands, AT+COPS=? does not return. |
| 00:37.04 | sagacis | orospakr_: who's your carrier? |
| 00:37.10 | DukeOfURL | this sometimes works better: AT+COPS? |
| 00:37.14 | orospakr_ | Rogers. |
| 00:37.20 | orospakr_ | They're apparently known to work with the Neo. |
| 00:37.22 | CoreDump|home | n8 |
| 00:37.26 | orospakr_ | The SIM card is from 2005. |
| 00:37.36 | orospakr_ | (and known good as of today) |
| 00:37.52 | DukeOfURL | orospakr_: and then AT+COPS=0 |
| 00:38.08 | orospakr_ | it doesn't reply anymore. *restarts gsmd* |
| 00:38.13 | cesarb | orospakr_: AT+COPS=? for some reason only works after you've registered to the network |
| 00:38.23 | orospakr_ | what command actually registers? |
| 00:38.35 | orospakr_ | ie., what is the minimal conversation necessary to place a call? |
| 00:38.39 | cesarb | orospakr_: and when it works it sometimes takes several minutes (on most phones) |
| 00:38.49 | cesarb | orospakr_: AT+CFUN and AT+COPS |
| 00:38.55 | DukeOfURL | orospakr_: register is AT+COPS=0 |
| 00:39.09 | DukeOfURL | I think there is a wiki page on that |
| 00:39.10 | cesarb | orospakr_: on libgsmd-tool -m shell, you use "O" and "r" for them |
| 00:39.25 | cesarb | orospakr_: I think it's +CFUN=1 and +COPS=0 |
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| 00:42.20 | paroneayea | how can I see if my sim card is registered, and such? |
| 00:43.50 | sagacis | paroneayea: Use 'libgsmd-tool -m shell' and type "Q" |
| 00:43.53 | orospakr_ | AT+COPS=0 |
| 00:43.53 | orospakr_ | STR=`AT+COPS=0' |
| 00:43.53 | orospakr_ | RSTR=`+CME ERROR: 3' |
| 00:43.53 | orospakr_ | yeah, I saw that on the wiki. |
| 00:43.54 | orospakr_ | (I'm using -m atcmd to interact directly, because it appears I can do nothing from -m shell) |
| 00:44.19 | sagacis | orospakr_: What does AT+CFUN give you? |
| 00:44.34 | orospakr_ | AT+CFUN |
| 00:44.34 | orospakr_ | STR=`AT+CFUN' |
| 00:44.35 | orospakr_ | RSTR=`+CME ERROR: 3' |
| 00:44.35 | orospakr_ | ERROR reding from gsm_fd |
| 00:44.35 | orospakr_ | root@fic-gta01:~$ |
| 00:44.41 | orospakr_ | whoa, it made libgsmd-tool quit. |
| 00:45.01 | orospakr_ | or rather, the daemon itself. |
| 00:45.06 | sagacis | Yup. |
| 00:45.19 | sagacis | start with '/etc/init.d/gsmd start' |
| 00:45.26 | orospakr_ | yup, that's what I've been doing. |
| 00:45.35 | sagacis | Give it a minute or two |
| 00:45.37 | paroneayea | sagacis: all it says is "# # Signal strength" |
| 00:45.40 | sagacis | Look at /tmp/gsm.log |
| 00:45.47 | orospakr_ | sagacis: before I submit AT+CFUN? |
| 00:45.55 | orospakr_ | s/before/wait a minute or two before/ |
| 00:46.15 | sagacis | paroneayea: That's the command name. Try "P" |
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| 00:46.59 | paroneayea | sagacis: does nothin |
| 00:47.23 | sagacis | paroneayea: 'O' |
| 00:47.29 | orospakr_ | paroneayea: yeah, that's basically the situation I'm in, so I'm manually submitting the AT commands in the hopes of routing out the trouble. |
| 00:47.29 | sagacis | that's a letter |
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| 00:47.35 | orospakr_ | s/routing/rooting/ |
| 00:47.38 | sagacis | This is what I saw. |
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| 00:49.16 | cesarb | orospakr_: it's AT+CFUN=1 |
| 00:49.27 | cesarb | orospakr_: or AT+CFUN? if you want to know the current value |
| 00:49.28 | sagacis | paroneayea: what does your /tmp/gsm.log have? |
| 00:49.35 | cesarb | orospakr_: or AT+CFUN=? if you want to know the possible values |
| 00:49.44 | cesarb | orospakr_: (almost all commands follow that scheme) |
| 00:49.54 | orospakr_ | OK, it replied STR=`AT+CFUN=1' when I typed AT+CFUN=1, and nothing else. |
| 00:50.13 | orospakr_ | =? replies nothing at all. |
| 00:50.18 | cesarb | orospakr_: look at the gsmd log, gsmd gets more confused than usual when you use atcmd |
| 00:50.24 | orospakr_ | I assume the gsm modem itself is trying to associate/register |
| 00:50.37 | DukeOfURL | orospakr_: it's not responding--you'll have to restart gsmd |
| 00:50.39 | cesarb | orospakr_: you probably just got to an state where gsmd no longer can correctly associate the answers to the commands |
| 00:50.57 | cesarb | orospakr_: which is why I prefer -m shell instead of -m atcmd ;-) |
| 00:51.41 | orospakr_ | cesarb: I was hoping to get the cause of the problem from the horse's mouth. :) |
| 00:52.00 | cesarb | orospakr_: what I'd do: restart gsmd, wait a little, open libgsmd-tool -m shell, wait a little, type 'O' and enter, wait a little, type 'r' and enter, wait a little -- all the time looking at the gsmd log at /tmp (I've done that tens of times when trying to debug gsmd...) |
| 00:52.23 | sagacis | that's what I still do every time I boot. :( |
| 00:52.43 | cesarb | orospakr_: but, no matter what you do, always look at /tmp/gsmd.log (keep a tail -f on it on a separate ssh connection, for instance), that's the most reliable way to know what's actually going on |
| 00:52.54 | orospakr_ | yeah, I'm tail -f ing |
| 00:53.04 | orospakr_ | this is basically what I did before, although now I'll be a little more patient. |
| 00:55.18 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[ClipArt]] [[Neo1973]] [[User:Thseiler]] |
| 00:56.52 | orospakr_ | OK, gsmd submitted AT+CFUN=1 and is waiting for a reply... |
| 00:57.46 | orospakr_ | sigh: Thu Oct 4 19:58:35 2007 <1> atcmd.c:562:atcmd_submit() submitting command `AT+CFUN=1' |
| 00:57.46 | orospakr_ | Thu Oct 4 20:00:29 2007 <1> gsmd.c:123:alive_interval_tmr_cb() interval expired, starting next alive inquiry |
| 00:57.58 | orospakr_ | and of course it doesn't reply to the alive query. |
| 00:58.06 | orospakr_ | I guess the GSM model doesn't like my SIM card/network. |
| 00:58.12 | orospakr_ | s/model/modem/ |
| 00:58.14 | sagacis | So, it seems to be locking up at cfun=1 |
| 00:58.22 | orospakr_ | yeah, that's what I saw before. |
| 00:58.36 | cesarb | orospakr_: did you try without a SIM? |
| 00:58.40 | orospakr_ | nope |
| 01:00.33 | sagacis | I"m pretty sure it won't register without a sim. ;-) |
| 01:00.48 | orospakr_ | for sure, but we might learn something. :) |
| 01:01.57 | sagacis | The call history is kinda funny. To the openmoko today screen, ALL calls are missed calls. |
| 01:04.50 | orospakr_ | sagacis: CFUN appears to hang the same way without the SIM. |
| 01:06.15 | paroneayea | how come that applets bar appears sometimes at the top of the UI and not others? |
| 01:07.24 | orospakr_ | yeah, interval is expiring the same way. |
| 01:07.24 | orospakr_ | no apparent difference at all. |
| 01:08.05 | Mek | sagacis: btw, shouldn't the phone still register with a network without a sim to be able to make emergency calls? |
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| 01:09.52 | orospakr_ | this really is weird; I assume this problem has nothing to do with any of the software running on the application processor. |
| 01:10.52 | sagacis | Mek: It needs a sim to talk at all, but a disabled sim can make emergency calls. |
| 01:10.53 | SpeedEvil | Mek: not in the UK |
| 01:11.25 | sagacis | orospakr_: I'd assume it does, but it could be similar to using a 3G Cingular (AT&T) sim in the US |
| 01:11.40 | orospakr_ | what happens if you do that? |
| 01:11.56 | sagacis | I don't remember. It didn't work, so I e-bay'd an old sim card. |
| 01:12.03 | sagacis | I could try, but give me a few |
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| 01:12.16 | orospakr_ | hm, I have some old dead ones (ie., no subscription for like 5 years) that I could try. |
| 01:12.21 | Mek | hmm.. okay... my non-neo phone seemed to connect to some network when I had my sim removed... but I didn't want to call emergency services just to check it :P |
| 01:12.35 | sagacis | Really? |
| 01:12.59 | sagacis | My phone doesn't connect anywhere. Says "Need SIM card". |
| 01:13.26 | Mek | it says "Need SIM card", but after a while the not-connected-icon changed into a connected-icon... |
| 01:13.27 | sagacis | Gotta move to the living room... |
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| 01:17.52 | orospakr_ | sagacis: btw, this SIM card works in a Nokia 8390. |
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| 01:22.20 | DukeOfURL | the webkit browser is really cool |
| 01:24.29 | paroneayea | so out of curiosity |
| 01:24.35 | paroneayea | did anyone's phone work "out of the box"? |
| 01:24.47 | paroneayea | besides the flash |
| 01:24.51 | Mek | I hope to find out tomorrow... |
| 01:24.53 | paroneayea | I mean, dialing & etc |
| 01:25.03 | orospakr_ | ah, OK, apparently there's a TI GSM firmware update in the works that can handle newer SIM cards. |
| 01:25.41 | DukeOfURL | that's *real* dangerous |
| 01:26.11 | DukeOfURL | I sure hope only TI/FIC can flash the GSM module |
| 01:26.31 | orospakr_ | ah, regulatory/licensing nonsense? |
| 01:26.36 | orospakr_ | well, if that's so, that's a bummer. |
| 01:27.08 | mjr | I don't hope so, but it is so |
| 01:27.21 | DukeOfURL | no, I mean we wouldn't want the black hats to be able to hack the radio |
| 01:27.30 | mjr | (well, some outlets maybe also, I dunno) |
| 01:28.28 | orospakr_ | the whole "oh noes hackers could blow up the GSM network if they had access" thing is FUD. Anyone can disrupt the GSM network by building a simple jammer. |
| 01:28.39 | mjr | I have no firm opinion on that. However, it would be nice if one could upgrade the firmware at least from a signed binary. |
| 01:28.47 | cesarb | DukeOfURL: if it's anything like what I've read about the razr, the modem firmware is signed (probably with a shared key etched in the silicon) |
| 01:28.54 | mjr | orospakr_, those are readily available on-line too... |
| 01:29.02 | orospakr_ | there you go. |
| 01:29.36 | Henryk | orospakr_: well, it's not so much about total disruption as about unfair advantages. the whole gsm protocol seems to be pretty cooperative |
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| 01:29.52 | orospakr_ | hm, I'm not convinced... |
| 01:29.59 | mjr | Henryk, it is |
| 01:30.01 | DukeOfURL | no, it's about eavesdropping and data theft |
| 01:30.11 | cesarb | DukeOfURL: you can change several hundred control bits, change the "flex" (which is a filesystem thingy with even more control stuff and the files stored in the phone), and generally make a bricking mess, but you cannot change the firmware to one which didn't come from motorola |
| 01:30.15 | orospakr_ | DukeOfURL: GSM obviously includes crypto. |
| 01:30.17 | orospakr_ | ... right? |
| 01:30.34 | mjr | gsm includes weak crypto |
| 01:30.39 | Henryk | As in: If you set these bits or those bits when registering with a base station you'll get preferred treatment because you must be a first-responder etc. |
| 01:30.48 | orospakr_ | ah, security by obscurity. |
| 01:30.50 | cesarb | mjr: the crypto strength depends on the SIM, doesn't it? |
| 01:30.51 | orospakr_ | now that's quality! |
| 01:30.58 | DukeOfURL | the gsm firmware does the crypto... |
| 01:31.12 | cesarb | mjr: older A5 were weaker, newer A5/8 is stronger |
| 01:31.14 | orospakr_ | so yeah, I suppose there's no hope of ever making the GTA01 units work with new SIM cards. |
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| 01:31.22 | orospakr_ | how troublesome. |
| 01:31.38 | mjr | orospakr_, I wouldn't say that. |
| 01:31.47 | paroneayea | HOLYSHIT IT DIALS |
| 01:31.53 | DukeOfURL | yea! |
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| 01:31.55 | paroneayea | AND GETS CALLS |
| 01:32.02 | orospakr_ | mjr: hm, how would it be fixed if the modem can't be flashed? |
| 01:32.05 | paroneayea | I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT I DID DIFFERENT! :D |
| 01:32.07 | orospakr_ | paroneayea: congrats! |
| 01:32.11 | mjr | I don't know if it will be possible, and I'm not saying it'd necessarily be very practical, though |
| 01:32.19 | mjr | orospakr_, sending it in to be flashed is an option |
| 01:32.23 | sagaci2 | yay! |
| 01:32.23 | sagaci2 | You tried again |
| 01:32.25 | sagaci2 | That was my experience all teh way |
| 01:32.47 | paroneayea | after 15 different shutdowns, powerups, shutdowns, powerups |
| 01:32.49 | paroneayea | it works :) |
| 01:32.51 | DukeOfURL | paroneayea: that's my problem. I can boot and nothing works. After the next boot I can make and receive calls. Intermittent problems. |
| 01:33.09 | paroneayea | BUT |
| 01:33.14 | paroneayea | that means that it's a working phone :) |
| 01:33.26 | paroneayea | even if the software is buggy currently :) |
| 01:33.33 | DukeOfURL | paroneayea: are you in a fringe reception area? |
| 01:33.36 | mjr | If FIC will provide the service. Or with luck, some FIC guys might be persuaded to take the necessary equipment into conferences to upgrade thingies etc... But I'm just saying how it _could_ be possible. I don't know how it'll end up. |
| 01:33.42 | sagaci2 | paroneayea: I added '/etc/init.d/gsmd restart' to my /etc/matchbox/session before openmoko-dialer2 |
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| 01:34.29 | sagaci2 | That helps it come up more often on boot |
| 01:34.49 | Henryk | parag0n: there were (and obviously are) still some timing problems. I hade a reliable image in the past, but unfortunately didn't make a backup and it got deleted |
| 01:35.05 | paroneayea | sagaci2: ahhhhh |
| 01:35.07 | paroneayea | I will try that |
| 01:35.15 | Henryk | s/parag0n/paroneayea/ (gna, too many nicks, sorry) |
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| 01:35.36 | cesarb | mjr: well, with commercial phones, the service is provided by third-parties all over the world... |
| 01:35.44 | paroneayea | so, I'm assuming that contacts aren't read off the sim card yet? |
| 01:35.57 | sagaci2 | you can see them in libgsmd |
| 01:35.57 | cesarb | mjr: repair shops which get the materials from the materials (and are supposed to not let other people get hold of them *ahem*) |
| 01:36.09 | sagaci2 | So, gsmd reads them, but openmoko-contacts2 doesn't. |
| 01:36.17 | cesarb | s/from the materials/from the manufacturer/ |
| 01:36.23 | mjr | cesarb, yeah I noted earlier (well, some outlets maybe also, I dunno) |
| 01:36.30 | Henryk | sagaci2: I think the modem firmware does this, e.g. you see contact names in the AT dialogue |
| 01:37.05 | mjr | cesarb, presumably would require the outlets to first be persuaded to stock the Neo :] |
| 01:37.51 | Henryk | WTF? Rebooting the neo while plugged on USB crashes the gnome battery applet |
| 01:38.05 | sagaci2 | cool. |
| 01:38.31 | Mek | I always knew gnome sucks :P |
| 01:39.32 | sagaci2 | You should use Windows |
| 01:39.41 | Henryk | yeah, I really did |
| 01:39.49 | Henryk | s/did/do/ |
| 01:39.54 | cesarb | Henryk: the battery applet has been identified by someone this week (or was it the last one? time passes so fast) as the cause of all (or most) panel crashes |
| 01:40.01 | Mek | nah, I haven't touched windows for a few years, KDE and OSX are good enough for me :) |
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| 01:40.09 | cesarb | Henryk: so, it's no surprise that it took the panel down that easily |
| 01:42.09 | Henryk | cesarb: hmm, at least it doesn't crash the whole panel and a dialogue pops up offering to restart it. what's more infuriating is that some applet quite regularly refuses to freeze when I want to suspend. First it was multiload-applet-2, then I removed that and it was the volume applet |
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| 02:10.22 | sagacis | I can't load the media player. I get an error dialog that immediately disappears. |
| 02:13.33 | mwester | sagacis: I can't help but notice that's kinda like observing that an automobile's CD player doesn't work, when the auto lacks tires, windows, most of the body, part of the frame, and the engine falls out all the time. :D |
| 02:14.00 | sagacis | But, the CD player worked the last time I got in the car.... |
| 02:14.05 | mwester | hehe! |
| 02:14.32 | mwester | But perhaps this time the engine actually starts, instead? |
| 02:14.58 | sagacis | Nope. |
| 02:15.07 | sagacis | So, I thought I could sit in the driveway and listen to music. |
| 02:16.50 | Henryk | I got it too. The error message reads "Error: gstreamer failed to create the PulseAudio sink. Please make sure gstreamer and its modules are properly installed (esp. gst-plugin-pulse). |
| 02:18.20 | sagacis | Henryk: Wow, you read fast! |
| 02:18.49 | sagacis | No such element or plugin 'gst-plugin-pulse' |
| 02:19.55 | sagacis | 'ipkg install gst-plugin-pulse' worked |
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| 02:20.13 | sagacis | Now I have a media player! Thanks, HenryK |
| 02:21.27 | mwester | Hmmm... should gst-plugin-pulse be added to the image then? |
| 02:21.35 | Henryk | sagacis: trick 17: Start the program in gdb. Then, when it segfaults, it will pause in gdb and you can read the message |
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| 02:23.25 | sagacis | mp3's play kinda skippy |
| 02:23.47 | mwester | someone else noted that. Don't know why, unless the dialer is chewing up cpu. |
| 02:24.02 | sagacis | I'll top it. |
| 02:24.17 | sagacis | midori's running too. |
| 02:24.51 | sagacis | A little better without midori and dialer |
| 02:25.24 | mwester | But still skipping? |
| 02:25.28 | sagacis | Yup. |
| 02:25.31 | sagacis | Pretty bad |
| 02:25.37 | Henryk | sagacis: ssh in and run top |
| 02:25.43 | mwester | Is the tune on the jffs or on the SD card? |
| 02:26.00 | sagacis | SD card. |
| 02:26.10 | sagacis | It should be async, but I haven't checked |
| 02:26.19 | Henryk | I noticed that there are quite some differences in mp3 performance between different programs |
| 02:27.00 | sagacis | openmoko-mediaplayer takes most of the cpu (48%) |
| 02:27.09 | sagacis | pulseaudio takes 25% |
| 02:27.28 | mwester | Good grief! What is the rate for the mp3 encoding? |
| 02:27.31 | sagacis | Xfbdev 10% (to show the player, with no display updates) |
| 02:27.45 | sagacis | Don't know. I'lll have to go look. Just a song I copied over to try |
| 02:28.41 | mwester | Regardless, I would expect that a 200MHz ARM should be able to play an mp3. Heck, my NSLU2 at 266MHz can easily, without any significant CPU load, play an MP3 to a USB sound device. |
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| 02:29.25 | sagacis | 128K, 44100 Hz, 2 channels |
| 02:29.42 | Henryk | yes, I think mplayer takes something like 30% CPU for MP3 playback (direct on alsa, no pulseaudio) |
| 02:29.58 | sagacis | The player is taking the hit, not pulsaudio (which hosts the plugin, I'd guess) |
| 02:30.30 | sagacis | It's skipping pretty bad |
| 02:30.33 | sagacis | badly |
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| 02:32.32 | Henryk | hmm, yes, ogg playback with openmoko-mediaplayer is also skipping badly |
| 02:32.49 | Henryk | 64% for openmoko-mediap, 20% for pulse |
| 02:33.00 | Henryk | 10% for Xfbdev |
| 02:33.02 | sagacis | CPU's staying at 75%, too |
| 02:33.17 | sagacis | Henryk: That's pretty much all cpu you have |
| 02:33.48 | sagacis | Why is the play button backward? |
| 02:34.11 | Henryk | sagacis: I wondered about that too |
| 02:34.20 | Henryk | ok, mp3 playback is also skipping, though not so badly |
| 02:34.22 | sagacis | Should the mediaplayer app be doing much of anything when playing? gst should be doing all the real work. |
| 02:35.21 | raster | what is openmoko-mediaplayer built on? |
| 02:35.30 | Henryk | sagacis: I'm guessing visualization or something? |
| 02:35.31 | sagacis | Marshmellows |
| 02:35.42 | raster | hehehehe |
| 02:35.45 | sagacis | Henryk: It's not doing any viz |
| 02:35.54 | raster | sounds to me like highly-under-optimised code |
| 02:36.27 | sagacis | Pass every packet through the gui? |
| 02:36.33 | Henryk | another data point: madplay on command line, direct on soundcard without pulse: same mp3 file takes 20% cpu, plays with no skips |
| 02:36.42 | mwester | That's more like it! |
| 02:36.58 | sagacis | I've used madplay on the device before (when I first got it) and was duly impressed |
| 02:37.28 | Henryk | ogg123 uses 76%, plays with no skips |
| 02:38.19 | raster | should use libmad |
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| 02:39.40 | Henryk | however, it sounds distorted. the playback was sounding _much_ better in the past |
| 02:40.10 | sagacis | ls |
| 02:40.11 | sagacis | oops |
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| 02:40.48 | Henryk | Ah, that's more like it: Restoring an old alsa state file makes it sound better again |
| 02:44.03 | raster | sagacis: i'll get to it |
| 02:44.10 | raster | i should just make my own wiki page |
| 02:44.20 | raster | "raster's crap to do - please help if you can" |
| 02:44.21 | raster | :) |
| 02:44.24 | sagacis | Put it on your todo list :D |
| 02:44.30 | raster | i will |
| 02:44.43 | sagacis | "Pick up the clothes at the cleaners" |
| 02:45.01 | sagacis | "Clip my toenails" |
| 02:45.13 | mwester | "Change media player in Openmoko" |
| 02:45.15 | sagacis | Maybe stick with programming tasks. ;-) |
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| 02:47.39 | raster | hahahaha |
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| 02:49.42 | sagacis | I tried to build jamvm, but the sourceforge project doesn't have the tar.gz any more. They are using bz2. |
| 02:52.14 | orospakr | *sigh*, I seem to have lost gllin. :( |
| 02:52.33 | sagacis | Yup. I never had it. :( |
| 02:53.09 | orospakr | someone posted a link one day, and I fetched it, but alas, I can't find it anywhere. |
| 02:53.16 | orospakr | something like totally_not_gllin.tar.gz :( |
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| 02:55.38 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Sydjylland]] [[OpenMoko_local_Groups:_Copenhagen]] [[OpenMoko_local_Groups:_Aalborg]] [[OpenMoko_local_Groups:_Sydjylland]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] |
| 02:56.02 | mwester | orospakr: save some grumbling for the Openmoko/FIC team; they too own at least some of the responsibility for the current pickle we're in with regard to the GPS device. |
| 02:56.15 | orospakr | mwester, are you sure? |
| 02:56.28 | raster | thats being fixed |
| 02:57.20 | sagacis | so we're told |
| 02:57.27 | mwester | orospakr: From my experience with vendor relationships, there were things that were done that do not make sense. |
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| 02:57.53 | mwester | I'll not elaborate on this issue, it makes roh very angry when I point out my views on the subject ;) |
| 02:58.18 | orospakr | well, I don't want to be to harsh with OpenMoko/FIC. This project has been pretty hard on them, by all accounts. |
| 02:58.40 | orospakr | but hammerhead, well, they deserve maximum wrath for shipping a proprietary driver with a particularly evil EULA. |
| 02:58.42 | orospakr | ;) |
| 02:58.53 | bmidgley | they're getting noticed... |
| 02:59.08 | mwester | They are all adults, and should be able to take the criticism in the spirit its intended, and perhaps the next ones will be better. |
| 02:59.51 | mwester | And it would also be nice if someone there would stand up tall, and announce to us all what, if anything, will be done about the two major unrevealed flaws in the P1. |
| 03:00.17 | raster | no idea |
| 03:00.26 | sagacis | At least give us a real status update. |
| 03:00.29 | orospakr | mwester, I assume you refer to the major SIM card compatibility problem? |
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| 03:00.34 | raster | but the gps was a sore point on the gta01 |
| 03:00.41 | raster | and thats being opened up for the 02 |
| 03:00.47 | orospakr | s/was/is/ |
| 03:00.49 | raster | so - fix. |
| 03:00.49 | mwester | orospakr: They already have maximum wrath, since they are now owned by Broadcom -- and Broadcom is generally reviled for very poor open-source relations. |
| 03:01.22 | mwester | orospakr: The sim problem is probably the largest issue to the US users, but the GPS issue is worldwide. |
| 03:02.03 | orospakr | mwester, huh, I thought the SIM issue applies to any SIM card manufactured in, like, this millennium. |
| 03:02.18 | mwester | Yep, the 02 should have all of this fixed. And I'll have fun with the 01 even if it never gets a working GSM modem or a working GPS driver, but it would be much MORE fun if that would work on the 01, as I expected it to. |
| 03:02.27 | sagacis | orospakr: As far as I know, only AT&T 3G sim cards. |
| 03:02.37 | mwester | orospakr: I thought that the SIM issue was only AT&T sims? |
| 03:02.43 | orospakr | hm. |
| 03:02.56 | orospakr | perhaps that is not my problem then: I have a Rogers SIM card from 2005 that won't register. |
| 03:03.12 | orospakr | the modem stops reponding and is declared dead by gsmd. |
| 03:03.20 | sagacis | could be the same, if they used the same handshaking. |
| 03:03.26 | raster | orospakr: i haven't heard of that, but peolpe do have it working. i suspetc its something specific that never was tested as such sim cards were not in asia or taiwan at least, and given the tiny team it's not like there is a mountain of sims from every possible provider to test :) |
| 03:03.33 | Henryk | mwester: yes, I was kind of unpleasantly suprised when I noticed that global locate is now broadcom. I have bad memories with broadcom and netgear WGT634U linux (looking back in web.archive.org on the original vendor's site you see something like: "this is our cool product, we'll give you the docs in two weeks time, only need to clean it up", then "we have been acquired by broadcom", and after that only the broadcom pages with absolutely no informati |
| 03:03.33 | Henryk | on whatsoever) |
| 03:03.38 | mwester | I wish there was a way to identify if a SIM is subject to the problem or not... |
| 03:04.23 | raster | plug it in and see |
| 03:04.23 | raster | :) |
| 03:05.41 | Henryk | raster: mountain of sims? you mean like http://nibbler-on-the-run.blogspot.com/2007/07/cardz-just-wanna-have-fun.html and http://nibbler-on-the-run.blogspot.com/2007/07/sims_535.html ? ;-) |
| 03:07.25 | orospakr | hm. I just tried another *really old* SIM I have, and it dies the same way. |
| 03:07.32 | orospakr | perhaps the 3G problem is *not* the issue I'm having. |
| 03:08.28 | raster | Henryk: heheheheh |
| 03:09.00 | orospakr | dangit, I wish I kept that file when I had the chance. |
| 03:09.06 | Henryk | orospakr: yes, this pronouncing dead by gsmd is a typical failure mode, occuring quite often, even with working sims. I only looked at it like 2 months ago and there the best solution was to restart gsmd |
| 03:09.17 | orospakr | Henryk: done it many times. |
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| 03:13.05 | sagacis | Awwww.... |
| 03:13.21 | sagacis | raster, add "Fix prboom" to your todo list. |
| 03:13.53 | raster | that... i am not doing |
| 03:13.54 | raster | :) |
| 03:14.19 | raster | games are not... necessary at this stage :) |
| 03:14.37 | sagacis | I'm just trying to find something that will work.... |
| 03:14.41 | sagacis | It almost built. |
| 03:14.43 | raster | especially doom clones |
| 03:14.57 | sagacis | :D |
| 03:16.47 | Quicksand | Hey all. |
| 03:17.47 | orospakr | Anyone have a first release P1/P0 and willing to share a file that is totally not gllin? |
| 03:18.00 | Quicksand | Check it out -- I'm on IRC via Pidgin on my Neo. :) |
| 03:18.08 | orospakr | Quicksand: heh, nice. |
| 03:18.30 | Quicksand | It's very small. |
| 03:18.39 | raster | telepathy works with irc? |
| 03:18.46 | orospakr | raster: actually yes. |
| 03:18.55 | raster | i tried empathy + telepath |
| 03:18.55 | raster | nada |
| 03:18.56 | orospakr | not used it myself, though. |
| 03:18.57 | raster | nix |
| 03:18.57 | sagacis | Quicksand: It does work, tho. I used XChat and PIdgin |
| 03:19.01 | raster | doesnt work |
| 03:19.07 | mwester | Quicksand: USB networking or bluetooth? |
| 03:19.12 | raster | well not irc |
| 03:19.16 | Quicksand | usb |
| 03:19.22 | sagacis | Quicksand: Be cool, use gprs! |
| 03:19.37 | orospakr | I'm more thinking along the lines of writing a GSM connection manager for Telepathy, and actually using Telepathy for the telephony/messaging components of OpenMoko's UI. |
| 03:19.50 | Quicksand | heh - no gprs on my prepaid sim! |
| 03:19.57 | orospakr | I'm in Canada. |
| 03:20.02 | orospakr | GPRS is punishable by death here. |
| 03:20.20 | mwester | I thought Canada was too liberal for that |
| 03:20.27 | mwester | :P |
| 03:20.28 | orospakr | mwester, you'd think so, but... |
| 03:20.36 | sagacis | orospakr, Down here, if you have a dataplan, AT&T will still charge you hundereds of $ |
| 03:20.45 | orospakr | sagacis: it's even worse here. |
| 03:21.01 | orospakr | Rogers has a monopoly on GSM, and they have the worst rates in the world. |
| 03:21.31 | sagacis | I'm sure we'll catch up with the behemoth AT&T recreated |
| 03:21.33 | mwester | Rogers has a lot of monopolies. Don't they own all the cable in Ontario and Quebec? |
| 03:21.38 | Henryk | sagacis: BTW: scummvm runs just fine on the neo |
| 03:21.47 | orospakr | mwester, not Quebec, but yeah, pretty much |
| 03:21.56 | doc|home | fucking rogers |
| 03:22.03 | sagacis | Henryk: I'll have to look at it, but I've never used scummvm |
| 03:22.08 | orospakr | doc|home: as a neo owner, that's not so easy. :( |
| 03:22.22 | doc|home | orospakr: I could imagine, 100$ for 1gb? fuck that |
| 03:22.32 | mwester | I used to live in London, Ont. -- we had Rogers cable back then, nothing's changed I see. |
| 03:22.36 | raster | orospakr: it makes sense as gsm voice/sms are basically subsets/similar to IM+voip etc. |
| 03:22.42 | orospakr | doc|home: here, 1 GB would probably be several more orders of magnitudes worse than that. |
| 03:22.42 | doc|home | and that's actually with bell, I forgot rogers' rates? |
| 03:22.45 | xaid | especially since Rogers bought Fido :/ |
| 03:22.51 | orospakr | poor microcell :( |
| 03:22.51 | Henryk | sagacis: http://www2.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~ploetz/DSC01451.JPG |
| 03:23.00 | doc|home | orospakr: yeah, I was looking at bell.ca's rates today |
| 03:23.21 | orospakr | doc|home: they're CDMA, not GSM. |
| 03:23.53 | sagacis | Henryk: That will be good to show work-geeks. Does it come with the game? |
| 03:24.04 | doc|home | orospakr: oh yeah, I know :) |
| 03:24.08 | doc|home | bell suck even more than rogers |
| 03:24.42 | Henryk | sagacis: no, you'll have to get that yourself (just follow orospakr's example :) |
| 03:25.03 | orospakr | arrrrrr, me hearties. |
| 03:25.05 | orospakr | :/ |
| 03:25.25 | sagacis | gotcha |
| 03:26.48 | doc|home | orospakr: I almost wish the iphone would come to canada, just because it might force canadian telcos to get their shit together |
| 03:26.52 | Quicksand | I just clicked on henryk's link, and it opened in midori. Awesome. My old phone didn't do that! |
| 03:27.40 | Henryk | hihi |
| 03:28.19 | Quicksand | This is progress, folks. |
| 03:28.21 | sagacis | Pidgin's cool |
| 03:29.43 | Quicksand | Today hyperlinking, tomorrow the world^H^H phone calls |
| 03:30.36 | Henryk | I can do phone calls just fine |
| 03:32.21 | Quicksand | I can too, usually. But things are still a bit fiddly (panel, gsmd) |
| 03:32.40 | orospakr | hm, I built from mokomakefile, but I don't appear to have a browser. |
| 03:33.27 | Quicksand | make build-package-openmoko-browser2 |
| 03:33.32 | orospakr | ah. |
| 03:33.46 | sagacis | not midori? |
| 03:33.58 | Quicksand | it's not a default item |
| 03:34.12 | Quicksand | midori is ok too |
| 03:34.27 | orospakr | Quicksand: can I enable it for future builds, too? |
| 03:34.31 | sagacis | Midori is not sized right, and uses different controls. |
| 03:34.32 | orospakr | I don't want it to fall out of date. |
| 03:34.42 | Henryk | or just webkit-gdklauncher, for the most minimalist |
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| 03:35.57 | Quicksand | look at the wiki pg on keeping your install up-to-date (it's on the 2007.2 pg) |
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| 03:36.23 | Quicksand | after you build something like the browser |
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| 03:36.49 | Quicksand | and install it via ipkg |
| 03:37.17 | Quicksand | you can re-make it as you wish |
| 03:37.42 | orospakr | Quicksand: I mean, I want it to get rebuilt whenever I do make update && make openmoko-devel-image |
| 03:37.57 | orospakr | (if necessary, of course) |
| 03:38.07 | sagacis | ... && make build-package-openmoko-browser2 |
| 03:38.43 | Quicksand | there is a way to do that, but i don't use the makefile |
| 03:39.19 | Quicksand | i just bitbake stuff manually |
| 03:39.23 | orospakr | sagacis: :P |
| 03:41.00 | Quicksand | there's prolly details on el wiki somewheres |
| 03:42.11 | Quicksand | gtg - 'nite |
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| 03:43.52 | Henryk | orospakr: http://bec-systems.com/web/content/view/59/9/ and http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-July/001043.html |
| 03:44.16 | orospakr | thanks |
| 03:45.18 | sagacis | OK, I'm back to an md5sum mismatch |
| 03:45.55 | Henryk | I think there also was something about using quilt and adding to task-..., but I can't seem to find it |
| 03:48.00 | Henryk | ah, of course, it's at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#Developing_with_MokoMakefile where else ... |
| 03:48.26 | sagacis | the neo calculates different md5sums than my host box |
| 03:48.50 | Henryk | sagacis: it doesnt. instead it's using the md5sums downloaded by a previous update. do ipkg update again |
| 03:49.29 | sagacis | Henryk: I grabbed the file and called "md5sum ...ipk" on it. It's different between the two machines. |
| 03:50.03 | Henryk | huh? copy it again |
| 03:50.43 | sagacis | Copy works OK. wget's messing me up. |
| 03:50.56 | sagacis | wgetted files are corrupt. |
| 03:51.23 | sagacis | I'm using apache to serve them. Do I need to change something? |
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| 03:52.15 | sagacis | My apache used to work. |
| 03:52.52 | cjb_ie | sounds like time to get busy with tcpflow and friends |
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| 03:53.12 | sagacis | Perhaps, but ipkg uses wget... |
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| 03:53.28 | sagacis | All other hosts work OK. Just not mine. |
| 03:53.30 | cjb_ie | i mean, to debug wget |
| 03:53.41 | sagacis | Ah. Well, not tonight. |
| 03:53.47 | sagacis | It's way too late. |
| 03:53.52 | cjb_ie | quite |
| 03:54.00 | cjb_ie | it's 4:53am here :) |
| 03:54.14 | sagacis | Wow. You got me beat by 6 hrs. England? |
| 03:54.27 | cjb_ie | close. ireland. |
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| 03:54.47 | Henryk | It's time to get up soon |
| 03:55.02 | cjb_ie | damn. i haven't got to bed yet. oh well. |
| 03:55.05 | sagacis | Too bad. I wanted to get the new webbrowser and some other things installed before tomorrow... |
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| 03:55.24 | sagacis | Good night. |
| 03:55.30 | cjb_ie | night |
| 04:04.09 | Henryk | oh, great. train drivers on strike |
| 04:04.42 | Henryk | I'd better shower and leave now |
| 04:06.01 | mwester | Henryk must be in DE. |
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| 04:15.42 | Henryk | Berlin, actually |
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| 04:55.17 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko:Community_Portal]] [[P1_Owners]] |
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| 04:56.03 | blindcoder | moin |
| 04:56.04 | CM | orospakr: Did you find any cupcake? ;) |
| 04:56.26 | orospakr | CM: nope, none at all. |
| 04:56.55 | orospakr | however, if I do find some cupcake, I'll leave some on my windowsill. ;) |
| 04:57.04 | CM | orospakr: Well, it's oabi anyway, so you'd have to make a chroot |
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| 04:57.16 | CM | pavelm listed the needed files in the wiki I think |
| 04:58.15 | orospakr | yeah, I saw the blogpost about making the cake compatible with my newer-model easybake oven. ;) |
| 04:58.51 | CM | Lets hope mickey|portugal can force them to get an eabi version out too anyway |
| 04:59.35 | cjb_ie | god morgon |
| 05:06.24 | Henryk | yepp, leaving now |
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| 05:23.07 | CM | cjb_ie: Good morning! :) |
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| 05:33.24 | CM | cjb_ie: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1473434928&size=o |
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| 05:35.15 | cjb_ie | CM: go raibh maith agat :) |
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| 05:37.19 | CM | hehe.. Say what? x) |
| 05:37.48 | cjb_ie | tack så mycket :) |
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| 05:38.16 | orospakr | ugh, after all that, I don't think I was even able to get a GPS fix |
| 05:38.40 | orospakr | http://pastie.caboo.se/103994 |
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| 05:39.13 | orospakr | the fields in the NMEA data that I think are supposed to contain the latitude and longitude appear to be blank. |
| 05:41.06 | cjb_ie | what kind of environment were you in? did you have good sky view? |
| 05:41.52 | cjb_ie | some GPSes seem to absolutely refuse to get a fix unless they're standing still |
| 05:42.10 | orospakr | both indoors and on the balcony. |
| 05:42.19 | orospakr | stars were visible, northwards. |
| 05:42.23 | cjb_ie | balcony south(*ish) facing? |
| 05:42.33 | orospakr | northish, actulaly |
| 05:42.39 | cjb_ie | (assuming you're in northern hemisphere) |
| 05:42.43 | orospakr | yup. |
| 05:42.45 | cjb_ie | what kind of latitude? |
| 05:42.53 | orospakr | roughly 45 |
| 05:43.01 | orospakr | ottawa, canada. |
| 05:43.09 | cjb_ie | how long did you stay out on the balcony? |
| 05:43.16 | orospakr | not long. a minute. |
| 05:43.28 | cjb_ie | you may just have been unlucky. |
| 05:43.38 | orospakr | cjb_ie: does my log look consistent with no fix? |
| 05:43.40 | cjb_ie | the azimuth of the satellite orbits is around 55 degrees |
| 05:44.23 | cjb_ie | so if your sky view is facing north, there's only about a ten degree wide wedge of sky vertically upwards that might contain satellites |
| 05:44.45 | cjb_ie | (spot the openstreemap geek...) |
| 05:45.02 | orospakr | hm, OK. |
| 05:45.57 | cjb_ie | that looks like no fix alright |
| 05:47.36 | cjb_ie | i've been meaning to use nc to make a sort of pretend gpsd for xgps to connect to, so i can easily see what it thinks is the story |
| 05:48.01 | cjb_ie | anyway. if the GPS hasn't been used before, it'll take roughly a minute just to get the almanac so it knows what satellites to look for |
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| 05:48.40 | cjb_ie | and once it's figured that out, it'll have a much much better chance of getting a fix with a view towards the equator |
| 05:50.13 | sannes | Is there any ipkg installable gps software yet for the neo? |
| 05:51.29 | rwhitby | morning |
| 05:52.19 | CM | morning :) |
| 05:55.25 | cjb_ie | orospakr: anyway, i trust i haven't terminally depressed you :) |
| 05:55.35 | orospakr | too late :P |
| 05:55.47 | orospakr | I think I had this romantic idea that GPS actually works :) |
| 05:56.21 | cjb_ie | orospakr: i note that it must have been seeing something at least. the timestamps in the log were from about 40 seconds before you pasted the link in? |
| 05:56.48 | orospakr | hm, sounds about right |
| 05:56.48 | cjb_ie | i forget how to parse the GPGSV lines which describe what satellites are in view |
| 05:57.01 | orospakr | http://www.kh-gps.de/nmea-faq.htm |
| 05:57.11 | orospakr | those *particular* lines might have been outdoor ones |
| 05:58.13 | orospakr | s/outdoor/indoor/ |
| 05:59.46 | orospakr | well, here it claims that there are *7* satellites in view. |
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| 05:59.54 | orospakr | you'd think that would be enough... |
| 06:00.30 | cjb_ie | how long did it have those in view though? |
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| 06:01.15 | orospakr | the entire time, apparently -- the value does not fluctuate from 07. |
| 06:01.37 | cjb_ie | but look at the null values (commas with no numbers in between) |
| 06:01.59 | orospakr | yeah, SNR is null |
| 06:02.08 | orospakr | which this doc claims means "not tracking" |
| 06:03.08 | cjb_ie | it may be that the number in view == the number of satellites it reckons might be on the right side of the planet, and has configured receivers for |
| 06:03.15 | cjb_ie | i.e. ones it's attempting to track |
| 06:03.50 | cjb_ie | also, there's a behaviour i've noticed many times where a GPS needs to see an individual satellite for several (perhaps 30) seconds before it decides it's actually tracking it. |
| 06:04.03 | orospakr | yeah, I gave it at least that long |
| 06:04.07 | orospakr | oh well, I'll play with it more tomorrow |
| 06:04.19 | cjb_ie | ...and that's _after_ receiving the almanac |
| 06:04.30 | orospakr | where does the almanac come from? |
| 06:04.42 | cjb_ie | it's downloaded from the satellites |
| 06:07.23 | orospakr | thanks for the info, cjb_ie. |
| 06:07.39 | cjb_ie | orospakr: where are you getting seven from btw? are you looking at a different log excerpt? |
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| 06:22.09 | RalphEichelberge | guten morgen# |
| 06:23.37 | Henryk | Moin |
| 06:24.41 | Henryk | hmm, Fun fact: you know that you left way too early for work when you arrive and the coffee shop is not yet open. |
| 06:25.03 | CM | You have a coffee shop at work? |
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| 06:27.09 | Henryk | CM: university campus. there are actually two: one in this building and one in the building across the street |
| 06:27.24 | CM | Ah, ok :) |
| 06:28.01 | mbuf | CM, after using ntpd, output of 'date' is now ok; but, rebuilding gcc or icu didn't help; any suggestions? |
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| 06:28.51 | mbuf | http://pastebin.ca/726445 |
| 06:29.29 | CM | mbuf: I saw your mail to the ml, but no answers-- :( |
| 06:29.51 | CM | mbuf: Maybe try rebuilding timezones? |
| 06:30.23 | CM | I've been trying to remember what packages that were changed since it worked last time |
| 06:30.45 | mbuf | CM, one Alessandro replied in PM, saying he faced the same error, and had to rebuild gcc; i tried that too; but, yes, rebuilding timezone is good suggestion |
| 06:31.27 | CM | mbuf: Maybe you have to rebuild gcc, then glibc and icu again with the new gcc? |
| 06:31.58 | mbuf | CM, i'll try, thanks |
| 06:33.33 | CM | What madness... ;) |
| 06:34.18 | mbuf | CM, timezone rebuilded cleanly now; but, will try to rebuild gcc -> glibc -> icu |
| 06:36.23 | mbuf | CM, isn't there any other way of building a complete snapshot? |
| 06:36.47 | RalphEichelberge | oh man, wanted to install that jalimo java on me neo using ipkg yesterday - but i just get strange errors |
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| 06:37.09 | RalphEichelberge | do anyone here has experience with that? |
| 06:37.17 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 06:37.19 | bedboi | any news so far? |
| 06:37.30 | bedboi | i mean in the last week |
| 06:38.51 | RalphEichelberge | well builds finaly work for doing phone calls - at least if you restart your gui after rebooting |
| 06:39.06 | Henryk | ah, coffee, better. |
| 06:39.22 | RalphEichelberge | java? |
| 06:39.54 | Henryk | mbuf: easiest is make clean; make; (wait 10hours) |
| 06:39.58 | CM | RalphEichelberge: I heard people discussing java in #oe, but it sounded like they thought it wasn't really usable yet |
| 06:40.13 | CM | I'm more interested in trying out mono :D |
| 06:40.22 | RalphEichelberge | mono? |
| 06:40.30 | mbuf | Henryk, if this attempt fails, yes, that is my last option; |
| 06:40.33 | RalphEichelberge | i heard of it but..? |
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| 06:40.55 | mbuf | Henryk, will need more than coffee though :) |
| 06:42.01 | CM | RalphEichelberge: C# runtime and compiler |
| 06:42.16 | RalphEichelberge | mbuf i now can just do "make update openmoko-devel-image" and volla! there is the newes build in minutes |
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| 06:42.41 | RalphEichelberge | oh CM: now i know where i heard about mono :) |
| 06:42.50 | CM | RalphEichelberge: http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page |
| 06:43.04 | Henryk | yes, we now have working mono recipes |
| 06:43.14 | Henryk | gtk-sharp is upcoming. |
| 06:43.16 | CM | Henryk: I know, thank you :) |
| 06:43.18 | RalphEichelberge | but why would you be interested in a M$ propritary language? |
| 06:44.00 | RalphEichelberge | thats fine - i am happy for you guys - BUT i need Java working |
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| 06:44.10 | CM | RalphEichelberge: It's a really nice language actually. Did my thesis work in it. Had mostly used c and java before :) |
| 06:44.34 | Henryk | anybody know of a good application to test this with? I tried and had bless (a hex editor) running, but it is kind of pointless on a 640x480 screen (e.g. there were only the menus and toolbars etc., no space left for actual editing) |
| 06:45.18 | RalphEichelberge | the thing is - i got some description on howto install jalimo - but they stop by telling you how to setup ipkg |
| 06:45.41 | Henryk | RalphEichelberge: hmm, what's the problem with java? I had at least J2ME (phoneme) running |
| 06:46.07 | RalphEichelberge | how did you do? |
| 06:46.23 | RalphEichelberge | ipkg? |
| 06:46.25 | mbuf | RalphEichelberge, my build was couple of weeks old; so i just tried updating it yesterday |
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| 06:46.55 | RalphEichelberge | mbuf - what happend? |
| 06:47.44 | CM | RalphEichelberge: Something changed in the api with the libraries |
| 06:47.59 | mbuf | RalphEichelberge, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-October/001584.html |
| 06:48.29 | RalphEichelberge | well - i did my last make clobber 29 th Sep i guss |
| 06:48.34 | RalphEichelberge | guess* |
| 06:49.42 | Henryk | RalphEichelberge: Ah, I see. there's no OE recipe for a sun jdk. |
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| 06:50.13 | RalphEichelberge | mbuf - seem you have outdated libraries in you build |
| 06:50.44 | abraxa__ | sagacis|zzZzZzz: Sloppy playback on the media playback has been fixed (for me ;), I just need to get the changes to libgstmad into OE |
| 06:50.53 | mbuf | RalphEichelberge, so "make clean; make" is best? |
| 06:51.07 | RalphEichelberge | you could try to make clean-package-libicu - CM? what do you think? |
| 06:51.34 | RalphEichelberge | mbuf - maybe you just have to update some libs |
| 06:51.58 | RalphEichelberge | but make clobber and start all over is the easy way ;) |
| 06:52.10 | mbuf | RalphEichelberge, CM suggested that yesterday, tried that, libicu builds fine afterwards, but, fails at icu |
| 06:52.11 | Henryk | RalphEichelberge: I'd rather guess that there's a problem with some staged library or combination of libraries. unfortunately it's not easy to clean a package from staging |
| 06:52.30 | RalphEichelberge | i know |
| 06:53.03 | Henryk | RalphEichelberge: Note: rwhitby now added a clean target to MokoMakefile, so you don't need to make clobber |
| 06:53.41 | mbuf | i keep traveling, so cannot keep doing updates often, for long hours :( |
| 06:53.57 | RalphEichelberge | but you have to make updatemakefile ? |
| 06:54.15 | Henryk | right |
| 06:54.19 | abraxa__ | mwester / sagacis: I would appreciate if you guys wouldn't bash away on the media player without reason - the performance problems stem from gstreamer, not my code. |
| 06:54.53 | RalphEichelberge | mbuf - try to update you makefile and than just make update openmoko-devel-image |
| 06:55.17 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Gsmd/document]] |
| 06:55.39 | mbuf | RalphEichelberge, ok |
| 06:56.30 | RalphEichelberge | make update-makefile && make setup update openmoko-devel-image |
| 06:56.43 | RalphEichelberge | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile |
| 06:57.54 | RalphEichelberge | again Henryk - you got java running, right? |
| 06:58.17 | RalphEichelberge | not C# |
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| 06:58.42 | Henryk | RalphEichelberge: only J2ME in phoneme, not J2SE |
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| 06:59.02 | RalphEichelberge | yeah, thats perfect -how did you do that? |
| 06:59.02 | CM | abraxa__: I think mwester's comment about complaining on the car stereo when the car is without wheels and engine was fun.. ;) |
| 06:59.20 | Henryk | RalphEichelberge: http://java-pkg.projects.openmoko.org/ |
| 07:01.33 | RalphEichelberge | Henryk - this side looks just empty to me |
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| 07:02.15 | Henryk | RalphEichelberge: http://projects.openmoko.org/scm/?group_id=9 the subversion tree contains a recipe for phoneme |
| 07:02.41 | Henryk | (note that I only got directfb going, so you need to exit X in order to run it. oh, and no virtual keyboard) |
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| 07:08.14 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:08.16 | cjb_ie | ﺹ |
| 07:08.28 | cjb_ie | erm, good morning |
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| 07:08.44 | bedboi | after 36/48 hours of devving |
| 07:09.13 | Henryk | WTF? Google for java openembedded yields strange results. Apparently google noticed that openembedded commonly is abbreviated oe, so you'll get results about Java OEE. Oh, and of course the top result is the wikipedia article about "Java (ø)", where ø means "island", but also is a character descended from the "oe" diphtong |
| 07:09.14 | CM | bedboi: developing what? |
| 07:09.37 | CM | Henryk: *lol* |
| 07:09.56 | CM | Sometimes google is just trying a bit too hard to be clever |
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| 07:14.27 | bedboi | a propose of google.... tomorrow i'll have the phone interview |
| 07:16.20 | Henryk | hmm, the neo asked for the pin the last three times it booted, that's a good sign. |
| 07:16.35 | RalphEichelberge | henryk - you installed that Snapshot -right? |
| 07:16.49 | Henryk | (it would however be cool if the dialer application removed the pin from the display after clicking "send pin") |
| 07:16.55 | Henryk | RalphEichelberge: which snapshot? |
| 07:17.10 | RalphEichelberge | from that link you sent me |
| 07:17.15 | CM | Henryk: Bug thos about that |
| 07:17.22 | RalphEichelberge | cd |
| 07:17.24 | mbuf | Henryk, it should not ask for the PIN, if AT+CPIN? returns READY |
| 07:17.33 | RalphEichelberge | *g* wrong window |
| 07:18.19 | Henryk | mbuf: sure it should ask for a pin, how would it register to the network otherwise |
| 07:19.01 | RalphEichelberge | or there is no pin |
| 07:19.12 | RalphEichelberge | if you deactivated your pin on the sim |
| 07:19.26 | Henryk | which I didn't |
| 07:19.52 | mbuf | Henryk, AFAIK, most SIMs or operators in India don't prompt for one |
| 07:20.15 | mbuf | Henryk, saw couple of related posts similarily in the UK |
| 07:20.23 | Henryk | mbuf: seems like a bad idea, but that's only me |
| 07:20.33 | mbuf | Henryk, true |
| 07:20.56 | CM | I've never had a sim pin either |
| 07:21.07 | RalphEichelberge | there is a command that gives you the state of the sim |
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| 07:22.49 | Kero | how do I switch charging over USB *off* (laptop on battery should not be charging my Neo battery :) |
| 07:27.45 | abraxa_ | Kero: Over the u-boot console |
| 07:28.42 | abraxa_ | Kero: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot#Battery_charger_related |
| 07:31.50 | Kero | thx! I assume it'll turn on again once the battery is fully draned? |
| 07:32.26 | Henryk | RalphEichelberge: hmm, I agree, the documentation on http://www.jalimo.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages is a bit short |
| 07:32.29 | abraxa_ | I don't know, but I wouldn't rely on it ;) |
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| 07:35.25 | Henryk | RalphEichelberge: but it does work |
| 07:36.46 | Henryk | RalphEichelberge: append the line arch jalimo 30 to /etc/ipkg/arch.conf, then add a file /etc/ipkg/jalimo-jalimo-feed.conf with contents src/gz jalimo-jalimo http://jalimo.org/openmoko/jalimo |
| 07:36.59 | Henryk | afterwards do ipkg update; ipkg install cacao classpath |
| 07:38.53 | Kero | abraxa_: hehe, then I'll stick with !autofast |
| 07:40.49 | zefanja | good morning...the last days I got this error: http://pastebin.ca/726490 How can I fix this? Where can I add the no-check-certificate option? |
| 07:42.20 | Henryk | that would be FETCHCOMMAND and RESUMECOMMAND |
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| 07:51.00 | geneberg | zefanja: find the file wgetrc or .wgetrc and add "check_certificate = no" without the quotes to it |
| 07:51.42 | zefanja | geneberg: i'll try this |
| 07:55.52 | Henryk | geneberg: that would disable certificate checking for all downloads of that user on that host |
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| 07:56.33 | Henryk | better edit openembedded/conf/bitbake.conf and add the option to FETCHCOMMAND_wget and RESUMECOMMAND_wget |
| 07:56.58 | geneberg | yes i know this should be removed afterwards |
| 07:57.42 | geneberg | Henryk: this is a better way! |
| 07:57.57 | geneberg | (yours) |
| 08:01.37 | zefanja | Henryk: thx...now it works. |
| 08:04.23 | Ghiottone|work | hello |
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| 08:26.33 | lysanderslair | n/ou 3 |
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| 08:26.41 | lysanderslair | sorry wrong window |
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| 08:28.03 | RalphEichelberge | *g* |
| 08:28.17 | RalphEichelberge | mbuf! - didn't work? |
| 08:29.12 | sparq | Wow, there is a port o pjsip for the Nintendo DS, so you can make SIP-over-WiFi calls with it. |
| 08:29.33 | sparq | s/o/of/ |
| 08:30.06 | sparq | s/\ o\ /of/ |
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| 08:53.12 | CM | test o apt |
| 08:53.21 | CM | s/ o / of / |
| 08:53.29 | CM | sparq: :P |
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| 08:55.18 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] |
| 08:57.13 | jeddy3 | wow test o apt |
| 08:57.14 | jeddy3 | s/ o / of / |
| 08:58.04 | CM | Bah |
| 08:58.16 | CM | s/a/ooo/ |
| 09:01.20 | Ghiottone|work | lol |
| 09:01.33 | Ghiottone|work | mmm |
| 09:01.47 | Ghiottone|work | s/m/test /g |
| 09:01.52 | Ghiottone|work | wow |
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| 09:02.43 | Henryk | aba |
| 09:02.55 | Henryk | s/a(?!b)/foo/ |
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| 09:04.11 | Henryk | apparently not :) |
| 09:05.13 | Ghiottone|work | :) |
| 09:05.28 | Ghiottone|work | test tost |
| 09:05.51 | Ghiottone|work | s/[eo]/ foo /g |
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| 09:06.29 | Ghiottone|work | s/\[eo\]/ foo /g |
| 09:06.29 | Ghiottone|work | yeah, probably not |
| 09:07.57 | ScaredyCat | CM: no more disk space issues for me! |
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| 09:10.23 | zecke | LaF0rge: hey |
| 09:15.19 | ScaredyCat | and no rm_work either !!! hurrah!! hurrah!!! |
| 09:18.46 | CM | ScaredyCat: Nice. New disk? |
| 09:19.01 | ScaredyCat | yah ... 160gb |
| 09:19.18 | ScaredyCat | doubled the size.... |
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| 09:19.25 | CM | Laptop? |
| 09:19.28 | ScaredyCat | ya |
| 09:20.52 | ScaredyCat | used 20gb for this build, and it's not completed yet! |
| 09:22.39 | CM | I just finished a "make all", but I have rm_work on so I don't know how big it is |
| 09:22.39 | mbuf | RalphEichelberge, yup; make going on |
| 09:23.08 | CM | mbuf: Sucks that we couldn't figure out what lib that was broken. :-( |
| 09:23.52 | mbuf | CM, do you think I should keep the build uptodate on a daily basis? |
| 09:24.23 | CM | I'm not sure that helps if some of the main libs change |
| 09:24.41 | CM | I'm usually building everything every day to keep track of things :) |
| 09:24.57 | mbuf | CM, if I am interested in writing application for a particular library, somehow I should be able to just update that library alone and test my application |
| 09:25.19 | mbuf | CM, rather than having to update all the packages |
| 09:25.36 | CM | Yes, usually that's how it works |
| 09:26.25 | Henryk | hmm, a full build without rm_work should only be around 12GB or so |
| 09:26.52 | CM | Henryk: Maybe not for the full feed, "make all" |
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| 09:45.23 | kristian-m | morning |
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| 09:49.35 | ScaredyCat | Henryk: I'm including the sources in that |
| 09:51.42 | user0815 | hi |
| 09:53.46 | CM | :) |
| 09:54.44 | starox | Hello, I'm trying to get all source before going in vacation with no internet ... bitbake -c fetch openmoko-devel-image uboot-openmoko don't get source dependancies. |
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| 10:00.38 | starox | Damned ! Replying too myself, I tried fetch-all but not *fetchall* |
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| 10:51.11 | ScaredyCat | wtf it oe 'building' spectrum-fw for... |
| 10:51.14 | ScaredyCat | si |
| 10:51.15 | ScaredyCat | is |
| 10:52.53 | CM | starox: Ah, thanks for mentioning it anyway. Good to know :) |
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| 10:55.17 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[User:Miki]] [[Talk:MokoMakefile]] [[Gsmd/document]] [[OpenMoko_local_Groups:_Copenhagen]] |
| 10:58.28 | ScaredyCat | brb |
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| 11:12.14 | Bernte | How can I find out which kernel to use with http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/qtopia-image-fic-gta01.jffs2 ? |
| 11:12.27 | FuzzyCat | use the newest kernel there |
| 11:13.12 | FuzzyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr2937-r2-fic-gta01.bin |
| 11:13.56 | Bernte | Thanks |
| 11:14.55 | FuzzyCat | no probs :) |
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| 11:45.38 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3089 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-appmanager2/: * Copy openmoko-appmanager to OM-2007.2 |
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| 11:51.22 | xzcvczx | anyone from germany around? |
| 11:51.31 | abraxa_ | xzcvczx: What's up? |
| 11:51.51 | xzcvczx | wondering what big electronic component stores there are in germany |
| 11:52.04 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3090 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-appmanager2/ (18 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 11:52.04 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * configure.ac: |
| 11:52.04 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/application-menu.c: (application_menu_new): |
| 11:52.04 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/application-menu.h: |
| 11:52.04 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/apply-dialog.c: (apply_dialog_new): |
| 11:52.06 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/appmanager-data.c: |
| 11:52.10 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/appmanager-data.h: |
| 11:53.01 | abraxa_ | xzcvczx: What exactly is your understanding of "component"? |
| 11:53.31 | xzcvczx | a bosch SMD500 pressure sensor |
| 11:53.48 | xzcvczx | in this case :P |
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| 11:55.02 | abraxa_ | Ah okay |
| 11:55.42 | xzcvczx | i cant find anywhere that sells them |
| 11:56.20 | kristian-m | tryed farnell? |
| 11:56.41 | kristian-m | xzcvczx you could order a sample from boschhhhhhhhhh |
| 11:56.44 | kristian-m | oops |
| 11:57.07 | xzcvczx | lol tried the later and had no response |
| 11:57.10 | abraxa_ | There's pretty much just three stores in Germany: conrad.de / reichelt.de / de.farnell.com |
| 11:57.19 | xzcvczx | and the former didnt see anything last time but looking again |
| 11:57.34 | xzcvczx | abraxa_: lol anything except farnell in english? |
| 11:57.35 | kristian-m | abraxa_ and segor |
| 11:57.49 | abraxa_ | Ah right, Segor |
| 11:58.22 | SpeedEvil | xzcvczx: why that one specitivcally? |
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| 11:58.36 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: small and has right range/temp |
| 11:58.56 | SpeedEvil | you've gone through the distributor list on the bosch site? |
| 11:59.10 | xzcvczx | lol only one from bosch that farnell has is $456 |
| 11:59.12 | xzcvczx | nz |
| 11:59.16 | SpeedEvil | digikey will deliver to .de - though there is a large minimum order. |
| 11:59.19 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: must have missed that |
| 11:59.29 | SpeedEvil | digikey.com |
| 11:59.38 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: oh ok thanks |
| 11:59.46 | SpeedEvil | http://fun.drno.de/pics/english/likemommy.jpg |
| 11:59.48 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 11:59.48 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 11:59.58 | SpeedEvil | I meant |
| 11:59.59 | SpeedEvil | http://digikey.de/ |
| 12:00.09 | abraxa_ | lol SpeedEvil |
| 12:01.04 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - it looks similar to the UK site - comparatively expensive shipping. |
| 12:01.22 | SpeedEvil | What is it - an i2c pressure sensor? |
| 12:01.34 | xzcvczx | yup |
| 12:01.45 | SpeedEvil | how much2D? |
| 12:01.53 | cjb_ie | in english - you could try RS too |
| 12:02.08 | SpeedEvil | I don't think RS ship to germany |
| 12:02.32 | cjb_ie | i think they've a german disty |
| 12:02.47 | SpeedEvil | Unsure. |
| 12:03.11 | SpeedEvil | Not looked at i2c pressure - freescale do lots of analogue output ones. |
| 12:03.29 | SpeedEvil | And will even sample, and have a reasonable online store. |
| 12:03.32 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: im not germany just figured that there was a higher chance of finding a store in germany since that was where bosch was based |
| 12:03.40 | SpeedEvil | Oh. |
| 12:03.43 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: got no free inputs though to use |
| 12:03.47 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't work that way generally. |
| 12:03.52 | SpeedEvil | Where are you? |
| 12:04.54 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: nz |
| 12:06.12 | xzcvczx | what do you mean it doesnt work that way generally |
| 12:06.39 | SpeedEvil | I mean that distribution deals don't tend to closely follow country of origin for multinationals. |
| 12:06.52 | SpeedEvil | It's very unlikely that bosch for example makes these in germany. |
| 12:07.03 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: well there was a chance |
| 12:07.44 | SpeedEvil | What's the price on these sensors? |
| 12:08.31 | cb22 | uh oh |
| 12:08.36 | abraxa_ | :D |
| 12:08.48 | cb22 | maybe that should be changed... |
| 12:08.58 | cb22 | Do not ask about GTA02's release date (December as of last update). |
| 12:09.07 | thos | what do people want to know about the GTA02 other than the release date? |
| 12:09.21 | cjb_ie | thos: when will it actually work? :) |
| 12:09.30 | thos | cjb_ie: it does work... |
| 12:09.33 | cb22 | will the wifi drivers support nice features? |
| 12:09.49 | thos | cb22: what are "nice features" |
| 12:09.54 | cjb_ie | thos: alright then, when will the software work fully :) |
| 12:09.55 | cb22 | monitor mode, packet injection |
| 12:10.05 | cb22 | hostap |
| 12:10.19 | SpeedEvil | Random hacky stuff. |
| 12:10.20 | cjb_ie | when will we be able to forward an incoming gsm call onto voip over wifi |
| 12:10.22 | thos | cb22: that sounds like fairly niche features to me :-P |
| 12:10.25 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: where did you find it on digikey |
| 12:10.31 | cb22 | thos, lies :) |
| 12:10.32 | Kensan | Mesh networking |
| 12:10.34 | SpeedEvil | cjb_ie: that's a GSM module question |
| 12:10.41 | SpeedEvil | xzcvczx: I diddn't |
| 12:10.41 | xzcvczx | i am having trouble finding anything from bosch on digikey |
| 12:10.44 | xzcvczx | oh ok |
| 12:10.52 | thos | why don't you guys write all your questions about gta02 on a wiki page |
| 12:10.54 | SpeedEvil | xzcvczx: it's just digikey have most stuff - it turns out no that |
| 12:11.07 | thos | and give the openmoko guys a chance to answer them |
| 12:11.18 | thos | something like, gosh, an FAQ! |
| 12:11.30 | cjb_ie | that'd be far too organised |
| 12:11.34 | cb22 | yeah |
| 12:11.50 | cb22 | what about, has the GPS chipset been determined yet? |
| 12:12.42 | cb22 | sorry, but i am addicted to this stuff :) |
| 12:15.35 | thos | cb22: how do you mean "determined"? |
| 12:15.42 | SpeedEvil | chosen |
| 12:15.44 | SpeedEvil | picked |
| 12:15.47 | cb22 | selected |
| 12:15.50 | cb22 | identified |
| 12:15.52 | SpeedEvil | specified |
| 12:15.59 | cb22 | finalized |
| 12:16.00 | xzcvczx | damn thesaurus |
| 12:16.04 | thos | well |
| 12:16.07 | cb22 | heh |
| 12:16.39 | thos | seeing as there has already been one prototype run, I would imagine so |
| 12:17.00 | SpeedEvil | there have been several prototype runs |
| 12:17.18 | thos | SpeedEvil: not really, v2 is the latest |
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| 12:18.49 | SpeedEvil | According to previous statements made - there have been made two or more runs, with differing GPSs and other stuff. |
| 12:18.59 | cb22 | and will it be a 'smart' (NMEA output) or 'dumb' (hammerhead) chip? |
| 12:19.22 | SpeedEvil | There has been no public statement that I'm aware of that a final model has gone forward as a candidate for external developers. |
| 12:19.36 | SpeedEvil | to be produced for that is |
| 12:19.44 | thos | well... |
| 12:19.46 | SpeedEvil | Though dumb has plusses. |
| 12:19.46 | cjb_ie | i thought they'd settled on sirf3 |
| 12:19.58 | SpeedEvil | There has been no confirmation either way. |
| 12:20.11 | SpeedEvil | (again, as far as I'm aware.) |
| 12:20.18 | thos | well damn |
| 12:20.23 | thos | there appears to be something broken about mine |
| 12:20.40 | SpeedEvil | the 'dumb' chip has positives - in terms of flexibility. |
| 12:20.51 | SpeedEvil | potential positives. |
| 12:21.20 | SpeedEvil | But much work has stopped on reverse engineering the driver since there hasn't been confirmation that it'll be in 02. |
| 12:22.07 | SpeedEvil | I can't find _any_ reference to the SMD500 being sold through distributors. |
| 12:22.20 | SpeedEvil | It may be intended as a 'volume makers only' part. |
| 12:22.35 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: futureElectronics has it |
| 12:22.42 | xzcvczx | but they expect you to call about it |
| 12:22.48 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 12:23.18 | SpeedEvil | 'call' IME usually means - yes - we certainly will order a full reel - how do you intend to pay? |
| 12:23.56 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 12:24.21 | xzcvczx | nah they have a single as well |
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| 12:24.51 | xzcvczx | and they USD for it excluding shipping |
| 12:24.55 | xzcvczx | want $15 |
| 12:25.08 | cb22 | sirf3 supports waas? |
| 12:26.13 | cjb_ie | cb22: yup |
| 12:26.21 | cb22 | nice |
| 12:26.53 | xzcvczx | anyone from quebec? |
| 12:27.40 | xzcvczx | or from nth usa? |
| 12:27.48 | xzcvczx | s/usa/america |
| 12:30.32 | CM | xzcvczx: No one wants to admit that.. :P |
| 12:30.38 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 12:30.44 | xzcvczx | i dont blame them |
| 12:30.54 | CM | Exactly, blame canada |
| 12:31.29 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 12:32.17 | Henryk | *sing* They're not even a real country anyway |
| 12:33.08 | xzcvczx | oh are we talking about north america or canada being where you wouldnt want to admit your from? |
| 12:33.20 | Henryk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp13M7rlih0 |
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| 12:35.26 | CM | Henryk: Hehe.. Thanks :) |
| 12:36.20 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: any idea what soft of pressure sensor you are thinking of adding? |
| 12:36.34 | SpeedEvil | I'm not. |
| 12:36.48 | SpeedEvil | I was using the pressure sensors for other things. |
| 12:36.52 | SpeedEvil | (engine managment) |
| 12:37.23 | xzcvczx | oh :S |
| 12:38.10 | CM | SpeedEvil: Are you the future of IT? http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/10/05/scotland-future-geezer |
| 12:38.38 | SpeedEvil | no |
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| 12:55.37 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Gsmd/document]] [[Category:OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Denmark]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Denmark]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Aalborg]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] |
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| 12:58.20 | PBeck | hi |
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| 13:03.28 | abraxa_ | Any OE specialists around? |
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| 13:05.13 | Ghiottone|work | hola |
| 13:05.18 | starox | abraxa_: why ? |
| 13:05.45 | starox | I discovert it yesterday, but I'm used to buildroot and gentoo. It's not so far away. |
| 13:07.01 | starox | s/discovert/discovered/ |
| 13:09.23 | abraxa_ | Ah, I doubt you can help me with my issue then - the problem I have is that SRCREV = ${AUTOREV} doesn't work for me |
| 13:09.28 | abraxa_ | Thanks anyway ;3 |
| 13:09.44 | starox | abraxa_: You're right :) |
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| 13:10.52 | Ghiottone|work | abraxa_: I think it is currently broken |
| 13:11.27 | Ghiottone|work | it requires a patch in bitbake (as far as I have understood it) |
| 13:11.46 | Ghiottone|work | !logs |
| 13:11.47 | cdbot2 | Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: |
| 13:11.48 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko |
| 13:11.49 | cdbot2 | Live-logs are available at |
| 13:11.50 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog |
| 13:11.52 | cdbot2 | See ?? help-logs for usage instructions |
| 13:12.01 | FuzzyCat | well I've just built it today with no probs |
| 13:12.04 | abraxa_ | Seems like it... I take it editing sane-srcrevs.inc and removing the fixed revisions for the packages I want floating helps? |
| 13:12.32 | xzcvczx | anyone got there neo on at the moment? |
| 13:12.45 | abraxa_ | FuzzyCat: What did you put in your local.conf to use AUTOREV? |
| 13:12.50 | abraxa_ | xzcvczx: Whatcha need? |
| 13:13.10 | xzcvczx | FuzzyCat: can you see if there is a "gpspipe" command |
| 13:13.15 | ScaredyCat | SRCREV = "${AUTOREV}" |
| 13:13.27 | abraxa_ | Ah, eh |
| 13:13.42 | abraxa_ | I would prefer using sane-srcrevs.inc instead of making *everything* floating :) |
| 13:13.50 | FuzzyCat | :D |
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| 13:14.17 | abraxa_ | xzcvczx: Nope, not there |
| 13:14.24 | xzcvczx | hummm |
| 13:14.26 | ScaredyCat | no |
| 13:14.29 | ScaredyCat | me neother |
| 13:14.31 | ScaredyCat | neiter |
| 13:14.34 | FuzzyCat | neither |
| 13:16.21 | FuzzyCat | hey, if |
| 13:16.22 | ScaredyCat | you can't cope |
| 13:16.28 | FuzzyCat | tat's your fault |
| 13:16.32 | Ghiottone|work | ScaredyCat: does it go in local.conf?? |
| 13:16.36 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 13:16.51 | ScaredyCat | build/conf/local.conf |
| 13:16.52 | kristian-m | can anyone confirm, taht the hardware of gta01 is not multitouch? |
| 13:16.58 | ScaredyCat | I can |
| 13:17.02 | Ghiottone|work | oh maybe that's why it did not work |
| 13:17.03 | FuzzyCat | me too |
| 13:17.05 | kristian-m | ScaredyCat okay, thanks |
| 13:17.06 | abraxa_ | kristian-m: Yes, it's not |
| 13:17.14 | FuzzyCat | yes it's not |
| 13:17.15 | FuzzyCat | lol |
| 13:17.20 | abraxa_ | ;) |
| 13:17.27 | ScaredyCat | now whose trying to confuse :P |
| 13:17.31 | ScaredyCat | who's |
| 13:17.32 | Ghiottone|work | ScaredyCat: but I wanted to have it for only one packate. is it possible? |
| 13:17.39 | ScaredyCat | meh |
| 13:17.40 | ScaredyCat | 1 |
| 13:17.44 | ScaredyCat | -1 |
| 13:17.45 | Ghiottone|work | kristian-m: hey |
| 13:17.46 | ScaredyCat | +! |
| 13:17.54 | kristian-m | hi Ghiottone|work :-) |
| 13:18.09 | FuzzyCat | can't you force srcrev in the .bb ? |
| 13:18.23 | Ghiottone|work | yeah but I wanted the HEAD |
| 13:18.29 | Ghiottone|work | of svn repo |
| 13:18.36 | Ghiottone|work | so I just put HEAD there and it worked |
| 13:18.45 | FuzzyCat | hehe |
| 13:19.01 | Ghiottone|work | but I'd like to know from the bb file what HEAD is to pur in PR variable |
| 13:19.31 | FuzzyCat | ahhhh |
| 13:19.35 | Ghiottone|work | and trying SRCREV=${AUTOREV} did not work |
| 13:19.51 | ynezz | you must patch BB |
| 13:20.03 | Ghiottone|work | ynezz: just told about this http://ynezz.true.cz/autorev-fix.patch |
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| 13:20.07 | Ghiottone|work | yeah |
| 13:20.30 | ynezz | there's also official one |
| 13:20.35 | Ghiottone|work | is there a fast way to have bb rebuilt with mokomakefile |
| 13:20.44 | Ghiottone|work | is it going into mainstream? |
| 13:20.52 | FuzzyCat | packagE? |
| 13:21.02 | FuzzyCat | bitbake -crebuild blah |
| 13:21.14 | Ghiottone|work | no, bitbake itself |
| 13:21.33 | FuzzyCat | oh bb build bb |
| 13:22.02 | FuzzyCat | isn't it part of the updatE? |
| 13:22.39 | ynezz | Ghiottone|work: i don't think so, that part have to be rewritten |
| 13:22.59 | ynezz | Ghiottone|work: http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2007-September/003035.html |
| 13:23.51 | ynezz | and also some background of SRCREV http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2007-September/003016.html |
| 13:27.58 | Ghiottone|work | so also adding SRCREV=${AUTOREV} to local.conf would have effect only on packages that don't have a sane-rev |
| 13:28.53 | xzcvczx | hmmm unfourtunately it looks like the reverse engineering of the hammerhead protocol might have stopped being worked on |
| 13:30.17 | emdete | does SRCREV="${AUTOREV}" work for you? i had do patch some bb script for that |
| 13:30.51 | Writchie | xzcvczx: stopped until/unless the chip ends up being used in GTA02 |
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| 13:31.20 | emdete | Writchie: so no gps in gta01 if gta02 uses a different chip? |
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| 13:32.17 | Writchie | emdete: gta01 gps will be through binary driver supposed to be released any day which in openmoko speak means not today or tommorrow |
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| 13:34.41 | FuzzyCat | xzcvczx, you can't actually blame them for stopping |
| 13:37.03 | xzcvczx | FuzzyCat: any significant reason hat? |
| 13:37.21 | xzcvczx | for that* |
| 13:37.48 | xzcvczx | or is it the reason Writchie stated? |
| 13:37.49 | sannes | any link to gps-chip changing discussion? |
| 13:38.28 | mwester | Well, the potential usefulness of the re-engineering project is greatly reduces when Openmoko changes the GPS receiver. |
| 13:38.43 | Writchie | many people are not interested in traveling down dead ends |
| 13:39.18 | Writchie | same for the low power BT use cases killed by GTA02 hardware changes |
| 13:39.39 | thos | has anyone, for example, looked in the latest u-boot patches to find out when gps chip it talks to? |
| 13:39.41 | mwester | Writchie: is that the USB BT change that you refer to? |
| 13:39.43 | Writchie | or improvements in framebuffer 2d software accel, etc. |
| 13:39.56 | mwester | thos: u-boot doesn't talk to the gps. |
| 13:40.01 | mwester | AFAIK, anyway. |
| 13:40.02 | FuzzyCat | xzcvczx, what Writchie said... why work on it if it ends up being wasted effort |
| 13:40.04 | thos | mwester: I beg to differ |
| 13:40.15 | mwester | u-boot talks to the GSM modem, that I know... |
| 13:40.18 | thos | mwester: you can control the gps chip power |
| 13:40.30 | mwester | Ok, but that's independent of the chipset. |
| 13:41.03 | Writchie | mwester: the bits for handling BT low power are removed in GTA02 and taken for WiFi use. |
| 13:41.16 | mwester | Ah, ok. |
| 13:41.16 | FuzzyCat | !!!! |
| 13:41.25 | xzcvczx | oh |
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| 13:41.50 | Writchie | mwester: there is still some hope that USB suspend on the 2442 can be made to work |
| 13:42.41 | Writchie | mwester: but there appears no way to wakeup from BT when the CPU is in suspend. |
| 13:42.59 | mwester | Well, that would be a problem for many BT devices :) |
| 13:43.01 | Writchie | mwester: on GTA02 |
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| 13:43.11 | abraxa_ | ynezz: What does your autorev patch allow? The use of moko-autorev.inc or SRCREV=${AUTOREV} in local.conf? |
| 13:43.26 | Writchie | mwester: it kills all BT low-power uses cases |
| 13:43.38 | ynezz | abraxa_: yep, the same as RP's patch |
| 13:43.49 | abraxa_ | ynezz: Yes... what? |
| 13:44.32 | ynezz | it's fix for that AUTOREV bug, same as RP's here http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2007-September/003035.html |
| 13:44.43 | abraxa_ | Thanks :) |
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| 13:48.14 | Esben_ | I have just unpacked my brand new neo :-) |
| 13:48.25 | abraxa_ | Nice :) |
| 13:49.02 | zash` | Esben_: I envy you! |
| 13:49.09 | zash` | ENVY I SAY! |
| 13:49.53 | thos | Esben_: great! what are you going to do with it? |
| 13:50.25 | Mek | ups tried to deliver one to me too this morning... unfortunately I just missed it, now I have to wait for monday before I can play with it... :( |
| 13:50.47 | zash` | EEEENVYYY! |
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| 13:51.44 | Esben_ | thos: well, we have several ideas for projects here... |
| 13:52.00 | thos | Esben_: great! such as? |
| 13:52.43 | Esben_ | perhaps developing a travel blog application |
| 13:53.25 | abraxa_ | Mek: You can pick it up at their distribution center if it's not too far to drive (and you want to do that) |
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| 13:54.55 | Mek | nah, I guess I'll wait for monday |
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| 13:57.21 | abraxa_ | OE is so unnerving... |
| 13:57.45 | abraxa_ | I applied ynezz' patch, RP's patch and it STILL fails |
| 13:58.20 | ynezz | abraxa_: really? where? |
| 13:58.28 | CM | mbuf: If icu builds, webkit will too. :) |
| 13:58.58 | CM | mbuf: Just look out for uicmoc4 around task 1965 or so |
| 13:59.13 | abraxa_ | ynezz: http://pastebin.ca/726751 |
| 14:00.14 | ynezz | this is somehow wrong, NOTE: package matchbox-panel-2-0.1+svnr1-r8: task do_fetch: started |
| 14:00.18 | ynezz | r1-r8 |
| 14:00.41 | thos | ynezz: check the save svnrevs file |
| 14:00.49 | thos | ynezz: and insert a sane svnrev if there isn't one |
| 14:00.59 | ynezz | he wants HEAD |
| 14:01.03 | abraxa_ | Yeah |
| 14:01.21 | ynezz | but OM handle it internaly |
| 14:01.23 | FuzzyCat | don't we all |
| 14:01.29 | abraxa_ | lol FuzzyCat |
| 14:01.43 | ynezz | there's some OM2 class with some SRCREV magic inside |
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| 14:03.12 | zecke | LaF0rge: are you around? any proposal for getting food? |
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| 14:09.11 | ynezz | abraxa_: i think it's a OM problem only, there's SVNREV and SRCREV used at once |
| 14:09.39 | Esben_ | I am working for a small embedded software consultant company (we are 2) |
| 14:09.39 | emdete | ynezz: wasnt there SRCDATE also? |
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| 14:09.58 | thos | ynezz: you need to specify at least one svnrev |
| 14:10.01 | emdete | ynezz: that was one of the probs with my bb also |
| 14:10.15 | Esben_ | and we have decided to spend a fraction of our time on development of something for ourself, and have decided to do it with OpenMoko as basis. |
| 14:10.35 | ynezz | thos: i think, not with SRCREV |
| 14:11.16 | thos | ynezz: yes, even with srcrev |
| 14:11.26 | thos | ynezz: that is why there is a sane-srcrevs file |
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| 14:11.58 | CM | Esben_: Wise choice I'm sure :D |
| 14:13.43 | Esben_ | I come from a job with Motorola, and within time it should be no problem beating whatever Linux phone that will come from moto :-) |
| 14:14.28 | ynezz | thos: if you have defined SRCREV=${AUTOREV}, AUTOREV gets expanded to latest revision/head number so you don't need to specify anything in sane-srcrev file |
| 14:15.03 | thos | ynezz: i had exactly the same problem as you (svn r1) and it did not work until I put it in sane-srcrev |
| 14:15.27 | emdete | is someone working on webkit's gtk integration also? |
| 14:15.34 | ynezz | thos: i don't have that problem, abraxa_ had |
| 14:15.42 | thos | ynezz: oh sorry :) |
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| 14:15.57 | ynezz | i was able to build package just using SRCREV |
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| 14:16.27 | thos | ynezz: well of course, it's possible something else was wrong for me too |
| 14:18.22 | CM | emdete: zecke and alp are the ones doing that.. :) |
| 14:18.56 | abraxa_ | thos: What did you put in sane-srcrevs? The package you want to keep up-to-date? That still doesn't make it use HEAD, does it? |
| 14:19.12 | thos | abraxa_: it gives it a starting point |
| 14:19.24 | emdete | CM: they don't seem to like to talk about it ;) |
| 14:19.24 | thos | abraxa_: it won't always use what is in sane-srcrevs afaik |
| 14:19.42 | abraxa_ | thos: Hm... I'll give it a shot, I'm seriously out of ideas now |
| 14:20.24 | CM | emdete: Have you read http://www.atoker.com/blog/2007/10/04/webkitgtk-gets-a-reviewer-and-canvas-support/ ? |
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| 14:24.07 | Writchie | anyone building and flashing through vmware? |
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| 14:25.17 | CM | Writchie: rwhitby is |
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| 14:25.52 | Writchie | CM: i guess that means it's probably working ok |
| 14:26.02 | emdete | CM: interesting, thanks, no didn't know that. i wonder how i could put an api into the js namespace... say a telefony api to access that from js |
| 14:26.29 | mwester | Writchie: You can't flash via vmware, but it builds ok. |
| 14:26.41 | CM | emdete: Read his slides on the previous blogpost too :) |
| 14:26.44 | Esben_ | uhhh... booting takes quite some time. |
| 14:27.05 | CM | Esben_: 2 minutes maybe, so yes, very slow |
| 14:27.12 | Writchie | mwester: tx |
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| 14:30.33 | Esben_ | maybe that is something that is worth spending some time on... |
| 14:30.56 | Esben_ | are there any documentation for how to register with network? |
| 14:31.28 | CM | Esben_: Yes, in the wiki |
| 14:31.36 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Bootloader/de]] |
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| 14:36.59 | cb22 | the people who have run mplayer on the neo, did you use the fb or x? |
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| 14:42.29 | tushyd | hey I'm trying to run qemu and I get the boot menu but when I hit "boot" it gives me a "bad magic number" error |
| 14:42.34 | tushyd | anyone know what that could be? |
| 14:43.29 | ScaredyCat | 3 |
| 14:43.39 | CM | tushyd: Is there a Factory reset option? |
| 14:44.06 | Ghiottone|work | no |
| 14:44.08 | Ghiottone|work | don't do it |
| 14:44.15 | CM | My partition table on my neo is broken so I have to boot using Factory reset every time, otherwise I get the Bad Magic number |
| 14:44.26 | tushyd | ok... let me try real quick |
| 14:44.28 | CM | Ghiottone|work: Why not? |
| 14:44.36 | CM | It's just in qemu :) |
| 14:44.46 | Ghiottone|work | if I recall correctly the Neo comes without a valid rootfs |
| 14:44.48 | Ghiottone|work | oh |
| 14:45.03 | tushyd | it still gives me a magic number |
| 14:45.20 | Ghiottone|work | sorry, for some reason I was thinking about a newly come neo, probably becase I read it earlier |
| 14:45.22 | CM | Hmm.. Then i guess there's really something wrong with the kernel |
| 14:46.04 | tushyd | oh... damn I wish I knew more about this stuff... I just want to help testing so I got the emulator |
| 14:46.05 | CM | Ghiottone|work: I have the 2:nd neo sold, and it wasn't working when I got it. Too bad I didn't order the debug board. ;) |
| 14:46.25 | ScaredyCat | no one near you with one CM ? |
| 14:46.41 | CM | No, no one in Sweden afaik |
| 14:46.56 | FuzzyCat | totally empty country |
| 14:46.59 | CM | Probably closest to Oslo or Helsinki |
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| 14:47.16 | CM | Hehe, practically yes. There's not many neos at all here, strangely |
| 14:47.33 | CM | I know jeddy3 and one more guy has one |
| 14:47.44 | FuzzyCat | uk has quite a lot aparentlyktjkjtkjdfgggly |
| 14:47.56 | jeddy3 | :) |
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| 14:48.21 | tushyd | I live in freaking Iowa and I found one, haha |
| 14:48.28 | CM | Hehe |
| 14:48.35 | donmorr | Has anyone here tried QTopia on the neo? |
| 14:48.46 | FuzzyCat | donmorr, yes.. lots |
| 14:49.00 | CM | donmorr: Yes, workes nicely except for the powermanagment and some sound issues |
| 14:49.07 | viq | I know my friend will be getting GTA02-DevBox ;) |
| 14:49.08 | donmorr | Hmm, I'm thinking of getting a greenphone, but thinking about the neo instead |
| 14:49.22 | FuzzyCat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_Neo_1973 |
| 14:49.28 | CM | donmorr: Forget about the greenphone :D |
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| 14:49.49 | FuzzyCat | greenphone is dead, you want an orange one :P |
| 14:49.50 | donmorr | Will probably wait until December for GTA02 release. |
| 14:49.54 | donmorr | :-) |
| 14:50.37 | FuzzyCat | ^^^ why do I always read that as 'gloveboxlive' |
| 14:50.48 | ozarka | I have the ornage one, but this morning, I installed Qtopia. |
| 14:50.49 | donmorr | Plus its only $450 compared to the Greenphones $600 |
| 14:51.00 | ozarka | Does that put me somewhere between green and orange? |
| 14:51.07 | FuzzyCat | gorange |
| 14:51.29 | donmorr | I wonder will trolltech drop the price if they see the neo can be bought for a lot less???? |
| 14:51.48 | CM | donmorr: No, they're buying Neo's instead ;) |
| 14:51.50 | FuzzyCat | greenphone is only supposed to be a reference platform iirc |
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| 14:52.14 | donmorr | Ahhh, I see. |
| 14:52.50 | Kensan | What's the latest on gsmd and libgsm? |
| 14:53.08 | tushyd | do you think the gta2 will be ready by december? |
| 14:53.41 | ScaredyCat | do you believe in Santa? |
| 14:53.51 | tushyd | haha, nope, I'm a hindu |
| 14:53.58 | ScaredyCat | then no... |
| 14:54.08 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 14:54.11 | tushyd | :) |
| 14:54.20 | tushyd | will it be able to make calls at least |
| 14:54.26 | ScaredyCat | do you believe in Santa? |
| 14:54.49 | berkus | you guys better gotta believe soon :P |
| 14:55.07 | berkus | yet, my neo is shipped, yay! |
| 14:55.52 | FuzzyCat | ./reroute_package --user=berkus --new-dest=FuzzyCat |
| 14:56.08 | berkus | reroute_package: command not found. |
| 14:56.38 | tushyd | damn, oh well I'll probably get it anyways |
| 14:56.40 | FuzzyCat | it only works on the ups servers I have h4x0r3d |
| 14:56.56 | FuzzyCat | or not... |
| 14:57.29 | ozarka | tushyd: I made a call with my Neo this morning. :-) |
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| 14:58.03 | ozarka | Then it refused to find the network again. |
| 14:58.25 | tushyd | ha, yeah |
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| 15:01.29 | Ghiottone|work | CM: why not working? because you did not flash it or had some hw problems? I flashed it before actually checking if it was working or not out of the box |
| 15:02.07 | CM | Ghiottone|work: I'm not sure what I did wrong. I flashed a new kernel and rootfs, but then the kernel overwrote my boot_env |
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| 15:03.24 | CM | Ghiottone|work: After that ScaredyCat helped me fix it (see Bricked in the wiki) by dd:ing a working boot_env over /dev/mtdblock1, but after a while that failed to work too |
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| 15:04.07 | ghoulsblade | hi all, is there a list of the package contents somewhere ? |
| 15:04.08 | aloril | ghoulsblade: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 15:04.34 | CM | Ghiottone|work: Anyway, I'm not complaining. It's a dev-toy anyway, so booting with factory reset is fine for me until I get bothered enough to figure out how to fix it. :) |
| 15:04.36 | abraxa_ | ghoulsblade: http://direct.openmoko.com should have it |
| 15:07.28 | Ghiottone|work | CM: I see. I seem to recall reading something like that in #openmoko |
| 15:07.48 | Ghiottone|work | CM: did you upgrade (downgrade!) u-boot ? |
| 15:08.26 | CM | Ghiottone|work: I upgraded to a newer version suggested by Mickeyl. One he was using |
| 15:08.55 | CM | I did another uboot upgrade later, to the official 2007.08 one |
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| 15:10.11 | yoyo | hi people |
| 15:10.39 | ghoulsblade | abraxa_ nope, just images of the box and info on the software, we've received the Neo Advanced (white/orange) - Developer preview box today, and would like to check if the contents are complete, but i can't find a list =( |
| 15:11.32 | abraxa_ | ghoulsblade: http://www.openmoko.com/products-neo-advanced-00-develkit.html - See "what's included" |
| 15:11.43 | CM | ghoulsblade: I have heard that the plektrum was missing from one package, but besides that it seems like all has been there |
| 15:12.20 | ghoulsblade | ah, i've overlooked that one, sorry, thank you very much =) |
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| 15:14.19 | abraxa_ | ghoulsblade: You're welcome |
| 15:14.51 | ghoulsblade | ok, checked, all complete, yay, awesome stuff, really looking forward to work with it =D |
| 15:15.06 | CM | ghoulsblade: Any special plans for what to work on? |
| 15:15.38 | abraxa_ | Remember - it is illegal to turn the Neo into a weapon of mass distraction. |
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| 15:16.26 | CM | abraxa_: I think #openmoko is one already.. ;) |
| 15:16.36 | ghoulsblade | at first just investigating, but in the long run we consider it as base for measurement purposes (gsm-r) |
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| 15:17.03 | abraxa_ | Investigating? |
| 15:17.11 | abraxa_ | You're a competitor? ;) |
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| 15:18.07 | ghoulsblade | not really, we plan to use the openmoko for this =) |
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| 15:36.13 | zecke | LaF0rge: ping? |
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| 15:58.35 | Sup3rkiddo | can anyone please please pastebin a pristine copy of openmoko/trunk/oe/packages/linux/linux-gta01/defconfig-2.6.22.5-fic-gta01 really urgent |
| 15:58.38 | Sup3rkiddo | pleaaaseee |
| 16:00.31 | Kensan | http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/oe/packages/linux/linux-gta01/defconfig-2.6.22.5-fic-gta01 |
| 16:01.03 | Sup3rkiddo | lol...now why didnt i think of that.. |
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| 16:21.14 | thos | abraxa_: have you ever used jhbuild? |
| 16:21.50 | abraxa_ | tholin: jhbuild? Actually I haven't even heard of it :) |
| 16:22.14 | abraxa_ | How come you're asking? |
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| 16:30.35 | thos | apologies to anyone trying to build openmoko this weekend with the latest trunk |
| 16:31.00 | thos | libmokojournal2_svn.bb needs fixing but I can't find anyone to do it :-) |
| 16:31.34 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Gsmd/document]] |
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| 16:43.21 | Bernte | Hi, can anybody help me with qtopia: Sometimes I get a "Dial Keyboard" with a Lock, and a "please wait" statement on top. This is where it gets stuck. How can I get rid of this screen? |
| 16:44.23 | thomasg | even if I'm not the trolltech-support: maybe that's when you have to enter your PIN |
| 16:44.53 | thomasg | so use this micro-dial-keyboard to enter your pin and press one of the buttons on bottom to confirm |
| 16:45.08 | Bernte | Which PIN? I never added a pin and I have no SIM card inserted. |
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| 16:52.50 | mwester | thos: what is the nature of the fix for the problem? Can it be done from OE, or does it require SVN access? |
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| 16:53.43 | abraxa_ | mwester: He signed off ;x |
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| 16:59.50 | mwester | abraxa_: Thanks. Maybe I should turn on signin/signoff messages in my client... |
| 17:00.17 | abraxa_ | mwester: ...or maybe he should be more elaborate on his issues ;) |
| 17:02.01 | yoyo | my moto don't charge |
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| 17:05.11 | CM | yoyo: Take out the battery |
| 17:05.26 | yoyo | CM: ok and? |
| 17:05.39 | CM | yoyo: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery_Charger#from_deep_discharged_battery |
| 17:05.54 | CM | Wait a little while so that the hardware is reset completely |
| 17:06.29 | CM | Sometimes the gsm-modem is on, sucking all the power while the battery is loading only on 100mW |
| 17:06.52 | CM | yoyo: I've been there, and following those instructions got my neo back :) |
| 17:06.54 | yoyo | CM: nooo. battery is't deeply discharged. it is charged about 60%. System is starting and it don't charge it |
| 17:06.55 | Jiten | the gsm-modem can function with less power than the rest of the device? |
| 17:07.04 | CM | yoyo: Ah, ok |
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| 17:07.40 | mwester | Jiten: the gsm modem doesn't turn off when you power off the device. |
| 17:07.40 | CM | yoyo: Do you have it plugged into a hub or a laptop? |
| 17:07.40 | CM | yoyo: If not, then I don't know what's wrong |
| 17:08.01 | yoyo | CM: Desktop PC direct without hub |
| 17:08.03 | mwester | Jiten: This is a known issue, and one that should be easy to fix, but it just hasn't been gotten to yet. |
| 17:08.39 | Jiten | I see |
| 17:09.07 | yoyo | ok is there any info prace (/sys, /proc) where can I get info about power manager state about charging? |
| 17:09.28 | xzcvczx | grrrrr!!!! "sorry we have no more singles of the said item available you will have to order 3000 at 6.76 each" |
| 17:10.42 | orospakr | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+git8993e54b6f397973794f3d6f47d3b3c0c98dd4f6+svn20070819-r0.bin is the good version of u-boot without the nand erasure bug, right? |
| 17:12.01 | mwester | xzcvczx: You just need to find 2999 other people to do a joint purchase. No problem. |
| 17:12.16 | cb22 | heh |
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| 17:14.04 | mwester | Hmm... round up the purchase price per person to an even 7, that 0.24 profit each, or 719.76 -- one could make a tidy profit that way! :) |
| 17:14.32 | Jiten | yes, assuming you find people willing to buy nearly all of them :P |
| 17:15.06 | xzcvczx | ok so who wants one? |
| 17:15.17 | xzcvczx | they are teleportation chips for the phone :P |
| 17:15.31 | xzcvczx | run off i2c 3v |
| 17:15.48 | cb22 | nifty, are they the flux compatable models? |
| 17:15.55 | cb22 | i want to run a time machine in mine too |
| 17:15.57 | mwester | Hmmm... would they teleport the Neo, or the user of the Neo? |
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| 17:16.00 | xzcvczx | yup |
| 17:16.04 | xzcvczx | mwester: both |
| 17:16.08 | mwester | Sold! |
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| 17:16.14 | xzcvczx | 10secs from lax to heathrow |
| 17:16.22 | xzcvczx | sweet 2998 to go |
| 17:16.54 | cb22 | hmm? |
| 17:16.54 | xzcvczx | cmon people only $6.76 and it will save you thousands in air travel |
| 17:17.02 | cb22 | did *.openmoko.org just stop resolving? |
| 17:17.09 | cb22 | nope |
| 17:17.10 | cb22 | its me |
| 17:17.46 | xzcvczx | wiki's going awfly slow for me |
| 17:18.03 | xzcvczx | but thats a cached dns probably |
| 17:18.18 | xzcvczx | or just 2 downloads going at the same time |
| 17:18.25 | xzcvczx | but i think it might be the former |
| 17:19.30 | xzcvczx | so noone wants teleportation chips :O fits easily inside the handset and they have a linux compatible binary for it already in the openmoko distro its called <DO NOT DO THIS>rm -rf /</SERIOUSLY DO NOT DO THIS> |
| 17:19.53 | xzcvczx | cb22: nah it was just my downloads going |
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| 17:29.44 | orospakr | hm, I just confirmed that the Qtopia build doesn't work with either of my SIM cards, either |
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| 17:32.05 | xzcvczx | orospakr: yeah seems to be a gsm firmware issue |
| 17:32.44 | orospakr | xzcvczx: yeah, I figured. I was hoping to see if I could distinguish between a SIM that works and another that doesn't, but no luck. |
| 17:33.06 | orospakr | xzcvczx: still, how do you this bug getting fixed? the modem isn't user flashable at all, is it? |
| 17:33.19 | zilt | orospakr: could be rogers. My SIM won't register either - and it's from 2000 |
| 17:33.20 | orospakr | s/you this/you think this/ |
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| 17:33.31 | orospakr | argh, I fail at regexes and grammar. |
| 17:34.00 | orospakr | zilt: yeah, I both of my cards are fairly old: one is from 2005, and the is from god knows when. |
| 17:34.09 | orospakr | the one from 2005 is from my daily phone. |
| 17:34.36 | xzcvczx | orospakr: daresay they will eventually release software to do it |
| 17:34.45 | xzcvczx | depends on what they can sort out with ti |
| 17:34.49 | zilt | I tried it with a build from yesterday - no luck. I'm waiting for the next qtopia build to try it with that since most people seem to have success with it |
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| 17:36.23 | zilt | orospakr: I'm just afraid that Rogers is now banning the Neo - do you know of anyone that has it working on Rogers? |
| 17:36.34 | orospakr | zilt: I doubt that's the problem. |
| 17:36.43 | orospakr | zilt: I know another guy in town who has one. I'll ask him. |
| 17:36.56 | orospakr | (Rogers and Rogers-owned fido are the only providers in town) |
| 17:36.59 | orospakr | in the country, in fact. |
| 17:37.10 | zilt | orospakr: Yup - I know - I'm in Ottawa |
| 17:37.18 | orospakr | ... likewise. :) |
| 17:37.39 | orospakr | zilt: well, if you're in ottawa: www.goslingcommunity.org |
| 17:38.53 | zilt | orospakr: ah yes - I read about that a couple of times a year in the pape:) |
| 17:39.05 | zilt | s/pape/paper/g |
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| 17:39.29 | orospakr | zilt: then you should come to the parliament pub today at 4:30. :D |
| 17:40.26 | zilt | orospakr: would be nice - but I just got back from a long lunch - and I promised to get the prototype checked in for today at work.. next time :) |
| 17:40.40 | orospakr | aw, too bad. |
| 17:40.42 | orospakr | see you then! |
| 17:41.12 | zilt | orospakr: THis was the last industry event I was at in Ottawa: http://www.igda.org/ottawa/reports/20_09_07.shtml |
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| 17:42.10 | orospakr | heh, I didn't even know about that! |
| 17:42.23 | zilt | orospakr: Have you been able to dial out at all? |
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| 17:42.36 | orospakr | zilt: not ever. The model dies on registration. |
| 17:42.41 | orospakr | s/model/modem/ |
| 17:43.28 | zilt | hmm.. same here - and I've been trying almost daily with fresh build - we can't both have bad neos? |
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| 17:47.46 | orospakr | yeah, blame TI. :) |
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| 18:01.27 | yoyo | sija |
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| 18:17.13 | orospakr | crap, how do I build the browser again? |
| 18:17.18 | orospakr | make build-openmoko-browser2? |
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| 18:19.39 | abraxa_ | make build-package-openmoko-browser2 |
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| 18:19.58 | statim | does anyone know if openmoko will have a CDMA network compatibility? right now all i see is GSM? |
| 18:19.58 | aloril | statim: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 18:20.07 | abraxa_ | statim: CDMA won't happen, sorry |
| 18:20.16 | statim | abraxa_: ever? |
| 18:20.48 | abraxa_ | That of course is up to FIC but I would be majorly surprised if they'd produce a CDMA device - the market is just too small |
| 18:22.04 | statim | ok cool... this is the perfect project, so needed |
| 18:22.06 | orospakr | btw, I'm seeing messages like: "<4>pcf50606_irq: entering(irq=53, pcf=c07e0800): scheduling work" and "<4>pcf50606_work: INT1=0x40 INT2=0x00 INT3=0x01:SECOND ADCRDY" in my kernel ring buffer. |
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| 18:25.14 | loufoque | statim: UMTS is considered for future models |
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| 18:28.41 | mwester | orospakr: Normal chatter. Hopefully that will be disabled at some point. |
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| 18:29.52 | orospakr | mwester, I figured as much. |
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| 18:30.18 | Elrond | ~seen ph5 |
| 18:30.21 | apt | ph5 <n=ph5@e178209143.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 21h 36m 58s ago, saying: 'that should give "AT+CBC\r+CBC: 0,0\r\n0\r"'. |
| 18:30.21 | Elrond | ~seen zdanek |
| 18:30.22 | apt | zdanek <n=ds@fw2.autoguard.pl> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 1d 8h 24m 54s ago, saying: 'does anybody know are there USB Host drivers inside of kernel?'. |
| 18:30.45 | Elrond | Hi abraxa_ BTW! :) Have you seen mickeyl today? |
| 18:30.53 | abraxa_ | Heya Elrond! |
| 18:31.02 | abraxa_ | No, I haven't - he doesn't seem to be back yet |
| 18:31.14 | Elrond | Ahh. :-| |
| 18:31.50 | statim | loufoque: sorry but what is umts? |
| 18:32.49 | orospakr | heh, I got bug #911: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=911 |
| 18:32.53 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page/ru]] [[Neo1973_USB_host]] |
| 18:36.05 | loufoque | statim: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS |
| 18:37.11 | mjr | in short, the 3g tech the rest of the world is using |
| 18:37.49 | orospakr | The Neo doesn't support UMTS now, afaik. I assume newer revs will? |
| 18:37.56 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 18:38.03 | SpeedEvil | Probably other related phones will |
| 18:38.07 | orospakr | ah, right. |
| 18:38.11 | SpeedEvil | at least not the one coming out in December |
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| 18:38.31 | SpeedEvil | I would personally be astonished to see one (from FIC) in 2008 |
| 18:38.52 | orospakr | dang. |
| 18:39.10 | loufoque | SpeedEvil: it's coming out in december now? |
| 18:39.26 | SpeedEvil | loufoque: that's the latest I'm aware of. |
| 18:39.29 | Fatal | loufoque: see topic |
| 18:39.46 | loufoque | I thought december was supposed to be mass market |
| 18:40.19 | SpeedEvil | December is 'anyone can buy' |
| 18:40.38 | SpeedEvil | first comes a developer preview, where it's tested to make sure there are no showstopper bugs |
| 18:41.08 | SpeedEvil | If the end-user software is ready come December, then off we go. |
| 18:41.10 | SpeedEvil | But... |
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| 18:47.55 | loufoque | the GTA02 is mono now? So it's the end of using it as an MP3 player... |
| 18:48.45 | SpeedEvil | mono speaker |
| 18:48.50 | SpeedEvil | earphones are stereo |
| 18:48.54 | SpeedEvil | as is bluetooth |
| 18:48.57 | SpeedEvil | and wifi. |
| 18:49.06 | mjr | and usb |
| 18:49.31 | viq | stereo usb?? |
| 18:49.46 | keitsi | usb soundcard can be stereo. |
| 18:49.47 | MichaelShiloh | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.49 | mjr | you weren't wondering about stereo wifi? |
| 18:49.55 | mjr | and what keitsi said |
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| 18:50.38 | viq | mjr: well, wifi can operate on two standards, so that could count ;) |
| 18:50.41 | hhf423 | re |
| 18:51.06 | MichaelShiloh | dunno if you just discussed this, but the second speaker had to be removed to make room for the wifi chips. most people feel this was a worthwhile tradeoff. |
| 18:51.07 | paroneayea | well that's a bit unsettling |
| 18:51.36 | paroneayea | I opened up the phone and plugged in the usb cable... it's making a loud "whee" noise when I have it plugged in |
| 18:51.54 | paroneayea | also, it's not booting, it flashes white when I try to boot it. Maybe it needs to be charged more? |
| 18:52.59 | SpeedEvil | Do you have the battery in? |
| 18:53.13 | paroneayea | yep |
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| 18:53.33 | viq | MichaelShiloh: I wasn't fully aware of that "make room" rationale, but I am fine with it |
| 18:53.45 | SpeedEvil | I'd remove usb, battery, |
| 18:53.47 | hhf423 | paroneayea: remove the battery, wait 20mins, put battery back in, charge for 30-40mins, only then boot phone |
| 18:53.54 | SpeedEvil | wait 10 mins, put battery back in |
| 18:54.01 | SpeedEvil | then ãhatge |
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| 18:54.28 | paroneayea | hhf423: thanks |
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| 18:55.37 | hhf423 | paroneayea: you just got your Neo? |
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| 18:57.49 | hhf423 | no semiofficial build from OpenMoko since Qtopia came out. That sends the right message, I would say! |
| 18:58.11 | abraxa_ | Yeah, it says that Mickey is getting his well-deserved holidays :) |
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| 19:00.13 | MichaelShiloh | I can see that getting used to IRC will take me some time. I need to make sure I respond to the right thread: |
| 19:01.15 | MichaelShiloh | hhf423: No particular message WRT Qtopia. Just busy I would say. |
| 19:03.09 | hhf423 | there the wish is father of the thought as we say in Germany |
| 19:03.32 | emre_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.16 | abraxa_ | emre_: What kind of problem? |
| 19:06.05 | emre_ | very strange, when I ssh and use ogg123 it generally works, but when I do it by opening a terminal in the device it does not. |
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| 19:07.58 | emre_ | it says, "could not load default driver and no driver specified in config file. Exiting" |
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| 19:11.20 | emre_ | it behaves really strange. now it doesn't work neither with the ssh. I tried ~10 times and 2 of them worked. |
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| 19:14.41 | emre_ | OK, I've found out the reason of the strange behavior. After the touch click sound the ogg123 stops working until I make "alsactl restore" and wait for a while. |
| 19:14.50 | ar0x | ~seen roh |
| 19:14.52 | apt | roh is currently on #oe #openmoko. Has said a total of 44 messages. Is idling for 1d 7h 12m 45s, last said: 'nibbo_ stinks like gcc3 vs gcc4 .. which gcc are you using?'. |
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| 19:17.38 | LionKMP | hi! what way do you use to run/develop moko apps? There are so many ways described on the website. I tried QEmu with automatic make thing, quite slow. I tried "running apps on pc" but that does not compile. |
| 19:17.51 | LionKMP | can that "on pc" compile using x86_64 linux? |
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| 19:19.01 | LionKMP | No package 'libecal-1.2' found |
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| 19:19.07 | LionKMP | [lion@localhost openmoko-libs]$ rpm -q lib64ecal7 |
| 19:19.07 | LionKMP | lib64ecal7-1.8.0-1.2mdv2007.0 |
| 19:20.36 | ljp | wow. my build actually built.. all the way from sratch. |
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| 19:21.22 | abraxa_ | LionKMP: What exactly are you trying to compile? |
| 19:21.37 | LionKMP | abraxa_: this one: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/How_to_run_OpenMoko_Apps_on_PC |
| 19:21.58 | LionKMP | step 1 of "libgsmd" succeeded, but then the openmoko libs step fails. |
| 19:22.35 | LionKMP | "Set up the environment" this section fails with dependency check pasted above. |
| 19:22.53 | LionKMP | is that doc up to date? it works with OM-2007 (not 2007.2) |
| 19:24.09 | abraxa_ | Pretty much should work the same way, except that some libs (e.g. libmokojournal2) also need gtk-doc |
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| 19:25.00 | LionKMP | it also misses to detect libgsmd, what I compiled to default location (/usr/local/lib). No package 'libgsmd' found |
| 19:25.34 | LionKMP | any ideas how to repair these 2 lib dependencies? will lib64ecal7-1.8 work? |
| 19:26.22 | abraxa_ | What does a "pkg-config --libs gsmd" say? |
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| 19:26.49 | LionKMP | Package gsmd was not found in the pkg-config search path. |
| 19:26.55 | abraxa_ | libgsmd, I mean |
| 19:27.36 | LionKMP | I think this /usr/local/lib is not added by default by Mandriva. (Dunno how to change/check) |
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| 19:27.47 | LionKMP | Package libgsmd was not found in the pkg-config search path. |
| 19:28.14 | abraxa_ | At any rate, using a sandbox is highly recommended anyway because all these libs are under major development |
| 19:28.47 | abraxa_ | i.e. ./configure --prefix=/home/moo/moko/sandbox |
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| 19:29.48 | LionKMP | yes, sounds good idea, the doc does not explicitly advice that. Even says, if I use nondefault prefix, I will need to change other things too. Thus I used default :-p |
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| 19:31.05 | abraxa_ | The wiki page needs updating anyway... |
| 19:31.51 | LionKMP | can I tell autogen.sh (or the commands in it) to use /usr/local/lib too, and somehow tell it to use lib64ecal7 (if that would work) |
| 19:32.21 | LionKMP | libgsmd files are there in /usr/local/lib. |
| 19:33.17 | LionKMP | I try PKG_CONFIG_PATH |
| 19:34.04 | abraxa_ | That would work for pkg_config, yes, though it doesn't make make put the files there also |
| 19:34.13 | meshuga | what prebuilt rootfs are you guys using? |
| 19:34.26 | abraxa_ | None? |
| 19:34.36 | meshuga | well i just got my device |
| 19:34.43 | meshuga | i want to mess with prebuilt before building my own :) |
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| 19:35.19 | abraxa_ | Mess in what way? Just grab one off the build host, flash it to the Neo, ssh into it and toy around? :) |
| 19:35.29 | meshuga | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.33 | ozarka | meshauga: I used the 2007.2 (going by memory) and the Qtopia ones |
| 19:35.40 | meshuga | ozarka: thx |
| 19:35.55 | ozarka | 2007.2 is worth it just to hear the startup sound. :-) |
| 19:36.31 | meshuga | haha |
| 19:37.10 | emre_ | Any comments about the sound issue? |
| 19:37.29 | meshuga | theres sound issues? |
| 19:37.41 | meshuga | i got this device to test a voip application (i work for a software company) |
| 19:37.52 | abraxa_ | emre_: The click sound stems from PulseAudio whereas ogg123 probably isn't PulseAudio-aware |
| 19:38.03 | abraxa_ | emre_: So there might be a conflict |
| 19:38.06 | emre_ | hmm, so, it is directly accessing alsa? |
| 19:38.18 | abraxa_ | That would be my guess |
| 19:38.45 | emre_ | ok, possible. do you know a program in the rootfs to play files which is pulse aware? |
| 19:42.38 | LionKMP | ok, thanks anyway, I'll try with a later version later. bye |
| 19:44.11 | abraxa_ | emre_: You can try an "ipkg install pulseaudio" and using paplay - not sure if it supports ogg, though |
| 19:44.28 | emre_ | abraxa_: ok, let me try. |
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| 19:48.33 | emre_ | abraxa_: I've installed pulseaudio but there is no paplay executable installed.. |
| 19:55.04 | abraxa_ | Hmm |
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| 19:56.39 | emre_ | abraxa_: ok I found the package. pulseaudio-misc. trying now. |
| 19:58.53 | emre_ | abraxa_: Thanks, it works now. |
| 19:59.34 | abraxa_ | I'm glad, and good to know it's in pulseaudio-misc - I didn't know that it was split up |
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| 20:11.48 | bedboi | hi there |
| 20:11.54 | bedboi | what's the latest image of qtopia? |
| 20:12.02 | bedboi | i need a working phone for the next two days |
| 20:12.16 | ynezz | then, buy nokia :p |
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| 20:14.29 | apollo13 | I start qemu, with the parameters falsh.sh gave me and the pcf_write: charging in Qualification Mode. pcf_write: charge voltage 4.20V comes up and nothing else happens any ideas? |
| 20:14.45 | SpeedEvil | what's the voltage? |
| 20:14.54 | SpeedEvil | if it's 4.2V, it doesn't need charged. |
| 20:15.06 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: qemu ;) |
| 20:15.11 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 20:15.12 | apollo13 | at least it says so... |
| 20:15.29 | apollo13 | hmm it started booting now |
| 20:15.30 | SpeedEvil | Does it come with an emulated DMM? |
| 20:16.00 | apollo13 | s3c_adc_write: Bad register 0x8 comes up a few times, but it goes on. I don't even know what dmm is |
| 20:16.40 | apollo13 | ui starting now :) |
| 20:16.55 | SpeedEvil | Digital multimeter. |
| 20:17.05 | SpeedEvil | A voltage meter you'd use to measure a physical battery. |
| 20:17.41 | apollo13 | well I know what a digital multimeter is, I don't know I just followed the instructions on the wiki page |
| 20:17.45 | ljp | bedboi: theres one at qtopia.net, oe SpeedyCats site |
| 20:17.53 | SpeedEvil | Dunno. |
| 20:17.55 | apollo13 | but it booted know, so this shouldn't be a problem |
| 20:17.56 | ljp | or |
| 20:18.01 | SpeedEvil | I've not done the qemu thing. |
| 20:18.53 | apollo13 | any idea what's wrong when the top bar (today, bluetooth etc...) show up but the rest not? |
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| 20:21.13 | bedboi | LOL |
| 20:21.13 | bedboi | http://www.nokia.com/A4126298 |
| 20:21.25 | bedboi | Precious Metals, Sapphire and Ceramics Commodity Team Manager |
| 20:21.26 | bedboi | lol |
| 20:21.51 | abraxa_ | apollo13: Wait some more? |
| 20:22.07 | apollo13 | hmm let's see :) |
| 20:22.15 | tushyd | apollo13: that happened to me too, waiting did the trick. :) |
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| 20:22.30 | bedboi | what will do this team manager for precious metals, sapphire and ceramics commodity ? |
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| 20:32.14 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Talk:OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] [[Talk:HXD8]] |
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| 20:34.15 | apollo13 | ok the interface got up now :) how long am I supposed to wait until the screen changes to contacts? I hate waiting :( |
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| 20:36.50 | tushyd | any news on the ATT fireball SIMs? |
| 20:42.22 | bkruse | tushyd: whats special about them? |
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| 20:44.07 | hhf423 | ok, dialer2 is not writing the GSM cell ID into some log? |
| 20:44.22 | hhf423 | so I could see there which cells I was passing by? |
| 20:45.36 | tushyd | bkruse: they're 3G SIMs that were reported not working.. I was just wondering if that had changed |
| 20:46.30 | hhf423 | I have a 3G SIM which is working and one which does not. The one which does not is ca a year old, the working one is new |
| 20:47.02 | tushyd | hm, interesting |
| 20:47.28 | bkruse | tushyd: Not working all together or in the neo? |
| 20:47.40 | tushyd | in the neo |
| 20:47.42 | bkruse | tushyd: ahh, thats what I thought, i always heard them called "3gsim" or whatever |
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| 20:47.45 | bkruse | tushyd: thats no good! :[ |
| 20:48.08 | tushyd | yeah, I have to talk to ATT to see if I can trade my 3g card for an older one |
| 20:48.40 | hhf423 | the newer 3G one works for me, so I will request to have me old 3G updated |
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| 20:49.16 | tushyd | that makes sense, I guess I'll have to wait till the gta2 comes out |
| 20:49.24 | tushyd | to try it |
| 20:49.40 | hhf423 | bedboi: latest qtopia image is from oct 02 from scaredycat |
| 20:50.00 | bedboi | ok thanks |
| 20:50.17 | hhf423 | this is cool: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_USB_host |
| 20:51.12 | tushyd | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_USB_host/wiki/Neo1973_USB_host |
| 20:51.13 | tushyd | *** Zoolooc_ is now known as Zoolooc |
| 20:51.13 | tushyd | [1] 15:51 tushyd on #openmoko (+n) * type /help for help |
| 20:51.13 | tushyd | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_USB_host |
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| 20:57.00 | AbrahamZ` | hi |
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| 20:57.32 | AbrahamZ` | I there a way to have a preview of the neo1973 interface on my computer ? |
| 20:57.33 | aloril | AbrahamZ`: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 20:57.44 | SpeedEvil | AbrahamZ`: search qemu on the wiki |
| 20:57.56 | AbrahamZ` | yes I donwloaded the openmoko-emulator-win32-bin-20070625.zip |
| 20:58.08 | AbrahamZ` | but I doesn't work well |
| 20:58.14 | AbrahamZ` | it doesn't* |
| 20:58.16 | SpeedEvil | What's the problem? |
| 20:58.35 | AbrahamZ` | When I launch the bat file, A console is appearing |
| 20:58.41 | AbrahamZ` | lots of messages |
| 20:58.52 | AbrahamZ` | I waited for 5 mn |
| 20:59.00 | AbrahamZ` | but it wasn't finished |
| 20:59.07 | SpeedEvil | Continue waiting. |
| 20:59.20 | AbrahamZ` | ok, how long is it on your computer ? |
| 20:59.21 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, qemu can be very slow. |
| 20:59.24 | Lukl | Will I be able to buy a GTA02 before christmas? |
| 20:59.33 | SpeedEvil | The real device takes 2 mins + |
| 20:59.38 | SpeedEvil | lik: maybe |
| 20:59.38 | Lukl | with openmoko beta or what i shall call it |
| 21:00.12 | SpeedEvil | OpenMoko is the continually evolving software - which you can download now - it just doesn't work very well as a phone at the moment. |
| 21:00.13 | AbrahamZ` | 2 mins.. it's hge for a mobile phone |
| 21:00.21 | AbrahamZ` | better not switch it off |
| 21:00.26 | poseidon | lol |
| 21:00.39 | SpeedEvil | AbrahamZ`: it's irrelevant. Firstly, booting will be speeded up - secondly - normally it will never switch 'off'. |
| 21:00.43 | SpeedEvil | just go to suspend-RAM |
| 21:00.59 | SpeedEvil | Unless it's 'off' for a week - then it may suspend-flash |
| 21:01.00 | AbrahamZ` | like windows-xp "Hibernate" ? |
| 21:01.03 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 21:01.07 | AbrahamZ` | ok |
| 21:01.07 | Lukl | Yes but I wonder if I can buy the GTA02 with an unstable openmoko or something :P |
| 21:01.13 | SpeedEvil | resume in under a second or so. |
| 21:01.16 | SpeedEvil | Lukl: yes |
| 21:01.24 | Lukl | my hands can't wait much longer to hold it :P |
| 21:01.34 | SpeedEvil | Lukl: when the hardware becomes available it's unlikely the software will be in an end-user suitable form. |
| 21:01.45 | Lukl | SpeedEvil, Is there a date set or something? |
| 21:01.59 | SpeedEvil | Lukl: 'early december' is about as good as we've got. |
| 21:02.03 | ozarka | Lukl: Didn't you read the topic? |
| 21:02.08 | SpeedEvil | There are a number of things that need to happenf irst. |
| 21:02.18 | ozarka | First rule of #openmoko, don't talk about GTA02. :-) |
| 21:02.39 | ljp | GTA02! GTA02! |
| 21:02.44 | meshuga | anyone know where the dfu-util is? |
| 21:02.46 | poseidon | GTA03 ! |
| 21:02.48 | ozarka | Stop it! |
| 21:02.52 | meshuga | i cant locate a compiled copy |
| 21:03.03 | meshuga | and i'm using knoppix |
| 21:03.07 | ozarka | mesahuga: I couldn't find one this morning, either. |
| 21:03.14 | meshuga | if anyone has a linux/i386 bin thatd be great |
| 21:03.22 | dcordes | hi |
| 21:03.29 | poseidon | yo |
| 21:04.11 | meshuga | nm found it |
| 21:04.23 | dcordes | I need gta02 |
| 21:04.28 | meshuga | ozarka: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/ |
| 21:04.33 | meshuga | ozarka: in case you were wondering |
| 21:05.30 | ljp | we need GTA02 to really test voip |
| 21:05.41 | ozarka | mesahuga: Thanks. I flashed with an older one, but from the docs it looked like it had been updated. |
| 21:05.46 | ozarka | Old one still flashed fine. |
| 21:06.44 | dcordes | somebody heard of motorola/trolltech deal? |
| 21:07.59 | AbrahamZ` | SpeedEvil : X server is started under qemu |
| 21:08.03 | AbrahamZ` | no more console message |
| 21:08.05 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 21:08.17 | AbrahamZ` | but, I just get a cross in the middle of the window |
| 21:08.31 | AbrahamZ` | I can drag it |
| 21:08.41 | AbrahamZ` | but the whole windows is black |
| 21:08.44 | ozarka | dcordes: No. Tell us about the deal. |
| 21:08.48 | AbrahamZ` | So I don't know what to do |
| 21:09.45 | AbrahamZ` | I going to take a screenshot |
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| 21:12.20 | AbrahamZ` | ah graphics appeared |
| 21:12.22 | dcordes | ozarka: Trolltech anounced a joint venture with motorola. Motorola is going to sell cell phones with qtopia |
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| 21:13.16 | meshuga | what does the r0/r2 mean in the uImage filename? |
| 21:13.22 | meshuga | should i just use the latest uimage? |
| 21:13.26 | ozarka | Good for trolltech. I've got qtopia on my neo today and it's nice. |
| 21:13.41 | meshuga | the r0 one looks like the modified time is newer then the r2 one |
| 21:13.43 | cb22 | if the current boot time is 2min+ |
| 21:13.45 | meshuga | thats why i'm asking |
| 21:13.48 | AbrahamZ` | motorola system isn't open source.. |
| 21:13.50 | AbrahamZ` | is it ? |
| 21:13.55 | cb22 | is that IO limited or CPU limited? |
| 21:14.07 | SpeedEvil | cb22: reportedly mainly CPU |
| 21:14.10 | cb22 | cool |
| 21:14.11 | meshuga | AbrahamZ`: parts of EZX are, one of motos systems. |
| 21:14.16 | meshuga | what the e3 rokr runs, IIRC |
| 21:14.19 | meshuga | and the moto a780 |
| 21:14.23 | cb22 | so the faster processor on its own should speed things up |
| 21:14.25 | AbrahamZ` | I have the motorola E1000 phone |
| 21:14.26 | meshuga | its all based off qtopia IIRC |
| 21:14.34 | meshuga | AbrahamZ`: i dont think that one is EZX |
| 21:14.37 | SpeedEvil | cb22: much of it is simply inefficient code, and stuff that nobodies even tried optimising. |
| 21:14.37 | AbrahamZ` | I really dislike the operating system |
| 21:14.39 | AbrahamZ` | ok |
| 21:15.02 | cb22 | SpeedEvil, nice |
| 21:15.02 | meshuga | ya ezx is crap |
| 21:15.28 | meshuga | AbrahamZ`: but isnt that why we're all here? :) |
| 21:16.15 | AbrahamZ` | of course, I was wondering why motorola is making such system and at the same time joining TrollTech |
| 21:17.11 | SpeedEvil | Options. |
| 21:17.15 | SpeedEvil | It costs them nothing. |
| 21:17.23 | SpeedEvil | And gains them flexibility. |
| 21:17.33 | SpeedEvil | Nothing in the motorola sense that is. |
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| 21:19.23 | AbrahamZ` | Ok, so I can't get a fine preview of neo1973, qemu is too slow (maybe my computer, or I am using a wrong version). |
| 21:19.36 | SpeedEvil | qemu is horribly slow. |
| 21:19.40 | dcordes | I think the fact that future motos will be running qtopia is good because we can install openmoko on them. |
| 21:19.41 | SpeedEvil | what's the computer? |
| 21:19.47 | AbrahamZ` | amd 1800+ |
| 21:20.03 | AbrahamZ` | I heard there were ways to boost it up |
| 21:20.25 | AbrahamZ` | with a pseudo-driver under windows |
| 21:21.08 | AbrahamZ` | maybe someone should tell about these way on the wiki |
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| 21:21.41 | AbrahamZ` | not me, i'm not expert, but it would be interesting to propose a working preview of the phone |
| 21:21.51 | AbrahamZ` | bye |
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| 21:23.05 | ljp | all motorolas linux phones use Qtopia Core |
| 21:25.10 | dcordes | yes and more linux motorola means more openmoko motorola |
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| 21:26.07 | ozarka | Not to FUD, but I don't think Motorola has been very open with their linux phones. |
| 21:26.34 | ljp | they havent in the past, no. |
| 21:27.21 | ozarka | Sorry, that was a response to dcordes comment about OM on Motorola. |
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| 21:28.01 | dcordes | ozarka: there are achievements with ezx platform phones with OM |
| 21:28.11 | dcordes | see a780 |
| 21:28.39 | ozarka | dcordes: That's good. Consider me corrected. |
| 21:30.31 | dcordes | http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2007/09/04/openmoko-and-openezx-at-mobile-developer-days-2007/ |
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| 21:45.00 | WaREX | when for sale? |
| 21:45.29 | WaREX | it says on october, well, its now october |
| 21:45.48 | Fatal | see topic |
| 21:46.09 | WaREX | ups sorry |
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| 21:51.38 | ozarka | I think you scared him off, Fatal. :-) |
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| 21:58.01 | Writchie | just got root access to neo from windows XP SP2 running linux in VM ware virtual machine - cool \o/ |
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| 22:05.51 | Lukl | gnite |
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| 22:30.00 | Ghiottone | hi |
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| 22:41.01 | CoreDump|home | hey |
| 22:43.41 | Ghiottone | hola |
| 22:45.54 | cb22 | hello |
| 22:46.34 | Ghiottone | my new fantastic hyper mega powerful laptop has arrived |
| 22:46.49 | Ghiottone | but I'm not able to install anything on it! :( |
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| 22:49.42 | Ghiottone | no. it's just too new and linux refuses to start correctly on it |
| 22:49.53 | Ghiottone | I'm about to give in to a win xp home :( |
| 22:50.49 | emdete | Ghiottone: what's the problem - serial ata? |
| 22:51.15 | Kensan | Ghiottone: model/maker? |
| 22:51.46 | Ghiottone | it is a Compal IFL91 |
| 22:52.17 | Ghiottone | emdete, I don't know. I'm trying to run gparted live cd but it doesn't start |
| 22:52.36 | Ghiottone | it starts only if I specify pci=conf2 or smtg like that |
| 22:52.54 | Ghiottone | but if I do it doesn't find any device on pci |
| 22:52.57 | CoreDump|home | I have yet to see a laptop that wouldn't boot linux. Some need some CMDLINE vodoo tho |
| 22:53.13 | Jiten | Ghiottone: it's always a good idea to check if the stuff you're buying will work with linux, especially so with laptops. |
| 22:53.22 | Jiten | that is ... before buying it. |
| 22:53.35 | Ghiottone | yeah Jiten |
| 22:53.42 | CoreDump|home | try noapic, nolapic, nopcmcia, noacpi |
| 22:54.06 | Ghiottone | but there have been 3rd party reports of a linux distro running. it's name is sabayon |
| 22:54.27 | Ghiottone | CoreDump|home, good idea |
| 22:55.11 | Kensan | Ghiottone: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=491448 |
| 22:55.15 | Kensan | just a guess |
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| 22:56.07 | linux-bastle1 | hi |
| 22:56.21 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 22:56.25 | CM | Ghiottone: Sabayon is based on gentoo :) |
| 22:57.28 | Kensan | Ghiottone: it should boot Knoppix (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=cc6761a2bb02b99ed7c6544fcd4568ec&t=535523&highlight=compal+ifl91) |
| 22:57.53 | Jiten | Ghiottone: you trying Ubuntu 7.04 on it? |
| 22:57.54 | meshuga | how do i load up an mp3 into media player? |
| 22:59.09 | Jiten | half the computers I've tried 7.04 on haven't booted at all. |
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| 22:59.24 | Jiten | whereas the beta of the next one does. |
| 23:00.06 | linux-bastle1 | I'm compiling a x86-OE-Environment with the MokoMakefile for using OpenMoko with Xephyr. Now theres an error while compiling: |
| 23:00.08 | linux-bastle1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.08 | linux-bastle1 | | FATAL: oe_runmake failed |
| 23:00.22 | Fatal | don't look at me |
| 23:00.37 | cb22 | hehe |
| 23:00.57 | Kensan | linux-bastle, pastebin the whole error log |
| 23:01.27 | Kensan | Ghiottone: it might be because of your video card /screen resolution |
| 23:02.05 | Ghiottone | I have tried with several *ubuntu but with no success. even with break=top trick it does not seem to work |
| 23:02.15 | Kensan | Ghiottone: try passing vga=771 when booting |
| 23:02.18 | linux-bastle1 | Kensan: what means the whole error log? The output of make or the error.log? (I only read about error.log and don't know er it could be) |
| 23:03.03 | Kensan | linux-bastle1: the whole output first. If nobody figures out where the problem is, then you go looking for the log file ;) |
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| 23:03.34 | Ghiottone | Kensan, with an older xubuntu it is going forward! |
| 23:04.25 | Kensan | Ghiottone: it's probably the screen resolution of 1280x800 which is non-standard |
| 23:05.21 | Kensan | Ghiottone: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xresprobe/+bug/127008 |
| 23:05.34 | Ghiottone | no it seems that first stopper problem was lacking of piix module... at least in the old xubuntu |
| 23:06.04 | Kensan | k |
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| 23:06.25 | linux-bastle1 | here ist my make output: http://pastebin.com/d6521dc3f |
| 23:06.30 | Kensan | Ghiottone: it seems very much like the bug I posted the link to. |
| 23:07.16 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 806 has been created by speedevil(AT)mauve.plus.com |
| 23:07.18 | cdbot2 | * * Standby voltage set to 2.1V, not 1.8V as datasheet says. |
| 23:07.20 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=806 |
| 23:07.28 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 807 has been created by cesarb(AT)cesarb.net |
| 23:07.30 | cdbot2 | * * Always true test makes it impossible to dial |
| 23:07.32 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=807 |
| 23:07.40 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 808 has been created by cwixon(AT)usa.net |
| 23:07.42 | cdbot2 | * * Nonexistent $HOME breaks stuff |
| 23:07.44 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=808 |
| 23:07.52 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 809 has been created by polz(AT)aufbix.org |
| 23:07.54 | cdbot2 | * * missing dependancy on vte |
| 23:07.56 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=809 |
| 23:08.04 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 810 has been created by jdi(AT)l4x.org |
| 23:08.06 | cdbot2 | * * constant white screen and vibrator on |
| 23:08.08 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=810 |
| 23:08.17 | cdbot2 | * * Flood control triggered, clearing queue... |
| 23:08.21 | cdbot2 | * * [421] pending messages removed. |
| 23:08.33 | SpeedEvil | BacklogsRus! |
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| 23:10.52 | CM | SpeedEvil: Looks like you started the flood ;) |
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| 23:11.49 | CoreDump|home | sorry for that ;) |
| 23:11.50 | Ghiottone | Kensan, mmm no. my video card is a nvidia 8600 and probably it's not working as its id are not yet recognized |
| 23:12.04 | Ghiottone | Kensan, but that is not important for the immediate future. |
| 23:12.21 | Ghiottone | Kensan, by the way I've just been able to repartition the disk. thanks! |
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| 23:15.44 | kristian-m | hi there |
| 23:16.03 | Bish_ | hi kristian-m |
| 23:16.59 | Ghiottone | hey kristian-m |
| 23:17.18 | kristian-m | Ghiottone have you tryed pyPenNotes yet? |
| 23:17.18 | Writchie | mwester: ping |
| 23:17.35 | kristian-m | Ghiottone this is really usefull |
| 23:18.37 | Ghiottone | eheh |
| 23:18.37 | kristian-m | Ghiottone I'll work on it that weekend, so you 0.1 would not need to be packaged yet |
| 23:18.54 | Ghiottone | I've had a look at the screenshot. it seems nice |
| 23:19.06 | Ghiottone | I had some problems with smstools |
| 23:19.07 | Kensan | Ghiottone: ok, good to hear. |
| 23:19.32 | Ghiottone | I tried to do it last night. but It complained about missing .py |
| 23:20.46 | kristian-m | Ghiottone ah, right there is a problem with the setup.py hmm. |
| 23:21.18 | kristian-m | Ghiottone I'm on it |
| 23:21.58 | Ghiottone | I had to comment the install-scripts line in settingsgui's setup.cfg for it to work |
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| 23:22.38 | linux-bastle1 | my problem is solved. josch helped me on #neo1973-germany |
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| 23:23.21 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03laforge * r3091 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (series uboot-nand_write_yaffs.patch): add an (untested) patch to correctly write yaffs2 oob data |
| 23:25.31 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, one thing I noticed is that settings gui uses and import from a package, while smstools imports the module directly |
| 23:26.02 | cb22 | Ghiottone, what do you mean? |
| 23:26.12 | cb22 | like from foo import bar |
| 23:26.13 | cb22 | vs |
| 23:26.17 | cb22 | import foo |
| 23:27.18 | mwester | Writchie: pong! |
| 23:27.45 | kristian-m | Ghiottone right I pllan to change that in 0.8 so that only the script file starts a file from the package and this one then is the actual class to start the app... - but that makes no sense for a two file program - i'll import the right path in smstool |
| 23:29.04 | Ghiottone | cb22, yes |
| 23:29.41 | Ghiottone | it seems that removing that line from setup.cfg worked from pyPenNotes |
| 23:29.50 | Ghiottone | I'm about to do some tests and upload it |
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| 23:30.34 | kristian-m | Ghiottone have fun :-) - screenshot your drawings - it's fun |
| 23:30.54 | Ghiottone | eheheh |
| 23:31.14 | Writchie | mwester: i was able to connect to neo over usb using both VMware Workstation and player from WinXPSP2 |
| 23:31.22 | Ghiottone | what's the right FAT32 number for partition types in fdisk? |
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| 23:33.13 | mwester | Writchie: can you use dfu-util to flash it as well? |
| 23:33.51 | Writchie | mwester: i'll be testing that (neo in u-boot) soon |
| 23:33.59 | kristian-m | Ghiottone i'd use 'c' |
| 23:34.47 | Ghiottone | thanks |
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| 23:44.40 | Ghiottone | ok pyPenNotes working |
| 23:44.44 | Ghiottone | I'm uploading it. |
| 23:45.11 | Ghiottone | SMStool instead says that ProcessInterface is not found |
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| 23:49.38 | kristian-m | Ghiottone it should be sufficient to use "import smstool.ProcessInterface" in SMSTool.py - but it's not working here... hmm |
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| 23:53.28 | kristian-m | Ghiottone ah got it - you have to touch a __init__.py in the dir |
| 23:55.16 | Ghiottone | I've found that problem earlier but then it disappeared |
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| 23:55.25 | Ghiottone | touching it makes the import work? |
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| 23:58.44 | kristian-m | Ghiottone the package is only valid if a __init__.py exists in the package dir |
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| 23:59.00 | kristian-m | Ghiottone otherwhise import isn't working |
| 23:59.46 | kristian-m | Ghiottone but I still have to change the import a bit - wait I'll test and upload it |
