IRC log for #openmoko on 20071004

00:02.13kristian-mGhiottone hmm its just one .py file... - in the next release when there is the recive panel
00:03.42Ghiottonekristian-m, ok
00:03.58Ghiottonekristian-m, just let me know when you release it if you want it packaged
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00:06.30kristian-mGhiottone okay, can you also package the 0.3 and settingsgui 0.7b?
00:07.10GhiottoneI'm already working on settingsgui 0.7b
00:07.42Ghiottonefor smstool 0.3 it will be a bit harder and buggy without setup.py
00:09.10kristian-mGhiottone oh, okay, i'll release a 0.3b with setup.py then by tomorrow
00:09.20GhiottoneUpgrading settingsgui on card from 0.7-r1 to 0.7b-r1...
00:10.07Ghiottonekristian-m, ok thanks. without setup.py there is that annoying .pyo files bug
00:11.12kristian-mGhiottone ah, i see
00:11.21GhiottoneWow! I have also gsmd registered!
00:11.21kristian-mokay, cu then
00:11.28Ghiottoneit seems to be working!
00:11.32Ghiottonesee you
00:11.39kristian-mhave fun :-)
00:11.51GhiottoneI'll upload settingsgui to the repo before going to bed
00:11.53Ghiottonethanks :)
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00:36.03Ghiottonenite everybody
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01:33.37orospakrHm, does http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko have correct instructions for setting up a recently received GTA01BV4?
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01:47.38rohorospakr looks quite right
01:48.15orospakrroh: cool. :)
01:48.17orospakrjust being careful.
01:48.54rohas long as you don't touch uboot or do a nand erase without parameter...
01:50.14cesarborospakr: ah, and if it's a new GTA01Bv4, which doesn't have a rootfs, you don't even need the nand erase rootfs
01:50.50orospakryeah, I got it today. I'm getting the No VFS message. :)
01:52.12orospakrcesarb: I was going to go for the most recent official 2007.2 build, and ipkg update.
01:52.21orospakrI assume that is the safest/proper route?
01:53.12cesarborospakr: the "most recent official 2007.2 build" would be that august snapshot... and if you try to upgrade from it, you'll run into problems with the modules (since the kernel has changed from 2.6.21 to 2.6.22), so take care ;-)
01:53.13Psianyone know what the AR6K supports security wise?  wpa-psk? wpa2 etc.?
01:53.31orospakryikes!
01:53.46orospakrI would have thought the upgrade would be sane when it comes to upgrading kernel packages.
01:53.49orospakrwhy is there a problem?
01:53.57cesarbPsi: doesn't much of the difference depend on the supplicant, instead of the chip?
01:54.27cesarborospakr: there is no kernel package. there is a kernel partition, with the kernel directly written on it (raw, no filesystem). thus, ipkg doesn't upgrade the kernel.
01:54.34orospakrhm.
01:54.36orospakrwill that change?
01:55.07Psicesarb, dunno
01:55.16cesarborospakr: it's a neo. it's way too open. it can change if people want it to.
01:55.25Psii thought wpa2 required hardware
01:55.27orospakrcesarb: I meant upstream. :P
01:55.40orospakrPsi: I don't think so, actually
01:55.59cesarborospakr: it can change if upstream decides to, or if crazier people decide to try and present upstream with a working solution which upstream likes ;-)
01:56.34cesarbPsi: it might require hardware for the crypto, but aren't most of the changes in the authentication phases, which are done by the supplicant?
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01:57.09orospakrSo yeah, I suppose in the meantime I want to ask what the kosher approach is to setting up a fresh Neo.
01:57.43cesarborospakr: the easier way to do your first testing with it would be to use the august snapshot, since it's the latest stable snapshot
01:58.09cesarborospakr: after you have played with it a bit, you can change to something else (reflash? ipkg upgrade plus manual kernel/modules update? qtopia? your choice)
01:58.09Psiyeah, i thought was was hardware for the crypto
01:58.13Psiwas=it
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02:00.36orospakrso, just so I'm clear, the kernel modules are managed by the package manager, but the image is not?
02:01.21cesarborospakr: as far as I know, yes, but since I tend to nuke the whole filesystem frequently, I didn't hit that issue
02:01.30orospakroh, and does the August build of 2007.2 have a working(ish?) dialer?
02:03.26orospakrodd, this file in the directory pointed to by the Flashing article looks quite new: OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-September-Snapshot-20070917-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2
02:05.23sagacis20070917?
02:05.30cesarborospakr: that's probably the daily build
02:05.50sagacisIt's almost a month old.
02:05.57orospakrnewer than August. :P
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02:06.15cesarborospakr: if you are going that route, it would be better to get a bleeding edge one, to get a working(ish) dialer
02:07.02sagacishuh?? "WARNING: 'vim' was choosen to perform external 3-way merge."
02:07.34orospakrcesarb: those would be the ones from from automated.it?
02:08.02orospakrah, OK, they seem to have a separate respository, too.
02:09.10cesarborospakr: there are several repositories
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02:09.24cesarborospakr: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories
02:09.35orospakrSorry about all the silly questions, but I'm trying to build up a view of the bigger picture.
02:09.37orospakrah, thanks@!
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02:10.11cesarborospakr: there you will find the link to the august snapshot I'm talking about: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/
02:10.58cesarborospakr: the other repositories are AFAIK from other people in this channel, and they mostly have the same packages (thanks to the openmoko-feed task)
02:11.30orospakrbut I assume the official repostitories are kept up to date?
02:11.37cesarborospakr: chooseopen is IIRC SpeedEvil, automated.it is ScaredyCat, nslu2 is rwhitby...
02:12.05cesarborospakr: the unnoficial ones are way more up-to-date ;-)
02:12.19orospakrmaybe I should just use MokoMakefile after all. ;)
02:12.44orospakrthanks. :)
02:12.54cesarborospakr: everyone but a few are using mokomakefile ;-)
02:13.02sagacisorospakr: You won't be happy with august.  i recommend a different snapshot
02:13.08cesarb(it automates a lot of boring work, and not much beyond that)
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02:13.15sagacisI may be using snapshots if my making woes continue
02:13.26cesarbsagacis: well, august at least dialed, didn't it? ;-)
02:13.34orospakronly thing I dislike is that you have to have the exact same mtn version as upstream.
02:13.44cesarbsagacis: which you can't say of snapshots until very recently...
02:13.44orospakrsagacis: hm, what do you suggest?
02:14.01cesarborospakr: well, no... you can use several different mtn versions
02:14.18cesarborospakr: mokomakefile downloads the data for the correct one
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02:14.35sagacisorospakr: I've used nslu2, and scaredycat's repository images before.  
02:14.45sagacisMostly, I recommend the MokoMakefile.
02:15.01cesarbsagacis: btw, did you try the memtest?
02:15.09orospakrsagacis: I'd like to see something work tonight, and then I'll let it build. :)
02:15.17sagaciscesarb: Not yet.  Just got to the computer today
02:15.20orospakrI've run it for x86 before, but that was a few months ago.
02:15.36orospakr(MokoMakefile + Xephyr)
02:15.38sagacisOh.  August snapshot works ok.
02:15.58sagaciscesarb: from qtopia.net?
02:16.02sagacisI'm running that one now.
02:16.18cesarbsagacis: yep, http://www.qtopia.net/modules/devices/openmoko.php, just downloaded it
02:16.30cesarbsagacis: does it have sound?
02:16.39cesarbsagacis: or ljp didn't fix it yet?
02:16.40sagaciscesarb: I used it today.  I don't know.  Nobody called me while I had battery.
02:16.59sagacisIt still didn't handoff between cells as I was moving, but other things work well.
02:17.17sagaciscesarb: The cool screen lock key has a fb problem
02:17.25sagacisdialing and connecting work well.
02:17.52cesarbsagacis: that screen lock is as annoying as their onscreen "predictive" keyboard
02:17.57orospakrsagacis: I heard that the Qtopia image had a power management issue.
02:18.10sagacisNot any more than openmoko
02:18.18cesarborospakr: yes. to put it simply, it doesn't have any ;-) (the same as OM)
02:18.47sagacisYou can dim the screen....
02:18.53orospakrheh
02:19.08sagacisYou can suspend, but it doesn't save any power, and you can't resume....
02:19.56sagacisQtopia reads my sim card contacts, although scrolling through them is tedius
02:20.12sagacisI don't have a sim card in the phone right now, and qtopia is stuck at "No network"
02:20.16sagacisI can't seem to get out of the screen.
02:20.55sagacisI forgot to try snake
02:22.09sagacisHey, I wonder if the 3G sim card works in qtopia
02:23.14orospakrhmmm
02:23.24orospakrOpening USB Device 0x0000:0x0000...
02:23.24orospakrClaiming USB DFU Runtime Interface...
02:23.24orospakrerror get_status: error sending control message: Connection timed out
02:23.32orospakroutput from dfu-util.
02:23.56cesarbthat usb device id is clearly bogus
02:24.01orospakroops
02:24.07orospakrI didn't follow the directions. :)
02:24.29cesarborospakr: look at how mokomakefile does it ;-)
02:24.51cesarbdfu-util --device 0x1457:0x5119 -a kernel -D
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02:25.23orospakrthere, now it's working.
02:25.28orospakrno USB ID necessary.
02:27.12cesarborospakr: the USB ID is necessary if you have any other dfu-capable USB device plugged
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02:27.28orospakrah, fair enough.
02:27.32cesarborospakr: if you have more than one and don't use --device, dfu-util refuses to proceed
02:27.53sagacisWhy do I have to fetch branches/oe/pre-20070305?
02:30.00cesarbsagacis: ?
02:30.24sagacisIt's one of the branches in the openmoko svn.  I just started a new build directory, and that scrolled by.
02:30.34cesarbsagacis: it fetches the root
02:30.41cesarbsagacis: trunk, branches, tags
02:30.44cesarbsagacis: everything
02:30.44sagacisand all the cruft
02:31.11cesarbsagacis: yeah, it's completely useless, rwhitby agrees with it, and will probably accept a tested patch to checkout just the trunk
02:31.27cesarbsagacis: (it's not simply changing a single line, since there are some symlinks into that tree...)
02:31.29sagacisheck, I could do that, except for the "tested" part. :(
02:31.40cesarbsagacis: heh
02:31.57sagacisDo we even use the openmoko svn any more?  It seems everything been merged into oe
02:32.05cesarbsagacis: qemu
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02:32.51sagacishuh.... A big old "svn delete" would clean that up easiliy enough.
02:32.58cesarbsagacis: I also find it quite useful to have a copy of trunk/src/host/devirginator nearby, to look at the default environment
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02:33.34sagacisI put the 3g sim card in my qtopia'd phone.  No boot.  
02:34.38cesarbsagacis: how would which SIM you have (which is plugged into the modem) affect uboot (which doesn't power up the modem)?
02:34.56sagacisIt doesn't, but that's the last thing I did before booting.
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02:39.12sagacisstrange.  It booted fine this time.
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02:54.34cbrakenow that mono is building, how soon can we get mono ipkg's into the buildhost feeds?  I'm pondering if I should set up my own feed in the interm
02:55.49sagaciscbrake: Go for it... Are the mono packages in the repository?  Does it build when I build?
02:56.29cbrakesagacis: yes, as of today mono in OE should be buildable and packages up nicely
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02:56.56sagacisExcellent.  Nice work.
02:57.06cbrakesagacis: for now, you will probably have to explicitly build it (bitbake mono)
02:57.27cbrakesagacis: somebody named HenryK did some excellent work on it in the past few days
02:57.34sagacisLook at the package-index .bb file
02:58.04orospakrhm, the dialer on the august build appears for a few moments, and then disappears.
02:58.58cbrakesagacis: check this out: http://pastebin.ca/725080
02:59.26sagacisWow!  How big is it?  
02:59.52cbrakesagacis: ohh, 90MB or so if you install everything :-)
03:00.12sagacisThat's what the 6gb sd card is for, eh?
03:00.18cbrakesagacis: but the good news is going forward, we'll probably only need the .net 2.0 profile, and only a subset of the components
03:00.26sagacisTrue
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03:00.38cbrakesagacis: so, I'm guessing 10-20MB should be plenty
03:02.49sagaciscbrake: Is it all 1.2?
03:03.52cbrakesagacis: mono 1.2.5.1 (the latest), which implements both the 1.x and 2.x (much of it) .net profiles
03:04.16sagacisgoodness for sure
03:04.31cbrakesagacis: agreed :-)
03:04.38orospakrhm, you can't run openmoko-dialier in an X forwarded ssh session, can you? does it confuse d-bus session stuff?
03:06.36sagacisorospakr: I haven't tried the dialer
03:06.57orospakrhm, it stays on the display now, but calls go nowhere
03:07.01orospakrI wonder where I can get logging info
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03:08.11orospakrheh, gsmd is spinning and consuming 80% of the CPU.
03:10.18sagacis/tmp/gsm.log
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03:14.14sagacis"If we can design things that are somewhat emotionally engaging, it doesn't have to be as reliable." -- http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21102202/
03:14.33sagacisIsn't that apple's core tenet from the beginning?
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03:17.04doc|homesagacis: hey, it works for politicians :(
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03:24.23ljpcesarb: audio should be fixed in the qtopia snapshpt update
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03:27.59sagacisthe handset audio worked flawlessly for me today.
03:28.42sagacisHey, I just called myself on and the phone rang.
03:28.48sagacisIt sounds like an old analog bell
03:32.09orospakrso, if I do a ipkg upgrade on OM2007.2 (august) anyway, where should I get an appropriate kernel image to flash?
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03:41.33tRublyep, thank you
03:43.38zefanjamorning...i'm not able to build fontconfig. Every time I get this:  unable to get local issuer certificate
03:44.19zefanjaNOTE: Task failed: Fetch failed: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/fontconfig/device_symbols.h
03:46.06zefanjathere is a hint: i should use: "--no-check-certificate" - where do i have to add this option?
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04:54.57aloril(script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] [[P1_Owners]]
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05:16.11orospakrWhich MokoMakefile targets should I use to build and flash my Neo with the the kernel and rootfs images?
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05:17.14CMI usually use "make update-makefile;make update;make setup;make openmoko-devel-image" to build
05:17.26CMTo update everything first, then build the image
05:18.11orospakrah, OK!
05:18.12CMThen flash with make flash-neo-local; make flash-neo-kernel-local
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05:21.46mbufCM, shouldn't you do "make setup" before you do "make update",  or it doesn't matter? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#Updating_the_environment
05:22.55CMHmm.. Don't know actually. Just been using it like that since rwhitby put it on his homepage the first time :)
05:23.19mbufCM, thanks
05:26.43CMmbuf: Hmm.. Looking at the targets in the makefile I guess i should do the setup first. Shouldn't matter much one you've done make setup at least once
05:26.49CMsetup:  check-generation setup-patches setup-bitbake setup-mtn setup-openembedded setup-openmoko setup-config setup-env
05:26.53CMupdate: check-generation update-mtn update-patches update-openembedded update-bitbake update-openmoko
05:27.07CMThat's what each command does :)
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05:27.59CMabraxa__: Good morning, how's it going with the mediaplayer? :)
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05:34.28abraxa__CM: Good morning! It's going well, though not as fast as I wished. You know, the all-too-common "too much food on the platter" problem :)
05:34.57CMOh yes, I know.. :-P
05:35.32abraxa__Currently I'm working on a new GUI so that's why there haven't been any commits lately - it'll be one big commit when it's done
05:35.45CMWas some guy here two days ago asking about a segfault when loading the playlist. Told him to file a bug report, but I don't know what happened with that
05:36.10CMAh, nice. Any teaser screenshots? ;)
05:36.10abraxa__I didn't see any bug reports about that, unfortunately... hm
05:36.47abraxa__http://dar-clan.de/mediaplayer_compact.jpg / http://dar-clan.de/mediaplayer_expanded.jpg
05:37.22CMOhh.. Nice :D
05:37.49abraxa__Yeah, let's hope GTK+ lets me do it the way I want to ;)
05:37.52CMWhat's the three dots left of the control buttons?
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05:38.21abraxa__They're the "expand" button - when clicked it reveals the bottom row of controls
05:38.39abraxa__I figured that shuffle/repeat/settings/whatev' don't need to be visible at all times ;)
05:40.45CM*nod*
05:40.55CMGood call, the less clutter the better :)
05:41.25abraxa__Yeah hehe
05:43.47CMabraxa__: http://rafb.net/p/ywQtTt73.html
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05:44.22abraxa__Ahh
05:44.34CMEmpty playlist maybe?
05:45.00abraxa__Yeah, that's because the player in the latest buildhost snapshot has the bug where it doesn't check if /home/root/playlists even exists before trying to create files there
05:45.14abraxa__So it segfaults
05:45.31CMAh, ok. Good that it's known then :)
05:45.43abraxa_Yeah, and fixed in SVN for quite a while ;)
05:46.06abraxa_lol
05:46.20abraxa_Thanks for letting me know btw ;3
05:46.47CMnp, just trying to keep track of all problems and changes in om :)
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06:36.29gnurwhitby:  My first attempt at building with MokoMakefile says:
06:36.32gnuFile "/home/gnu/src/moko/bitbake/lib/bb/event.py", line 67, in fire
06:36.32gnu<PROTECTED>
06:36.32gnu<PROTECTED>
06:36.32gnuValueError: substring not found
06:36.32gnumake: *** [openmoko-devel-image] Error 1
06:37.37doc|workso, I saw my first iphone today (I'm in canada). Nice looknig piece of kit, and it got me thinking and wondering if anyone else is thinking the same. If FIC want to be anything other than a niche manufacturer, they're going to have to work a bit more on the hardware design :/
06:38.14doc|workI'd never ever ever buy an iphone, because it's so locked down, but it's still a much better looking piece of kit
06:38.15gnu(I'm on Ubuntu)
06:38.18codyldoc|work, the iPhone is just a toy...not the same market
06:38.34codyl"piece of kit"?
06:38.39doc|workcodyl: I know, but have fic said they only want to be niche? I'd be amazed if they had
06:38.40guaquaa shit load of money was put into iphone
06:38.50codylover the course of what...5 years?
06:38.59doc|workguaqua: that doesn't mean it's not competition.
06:39.00gnudoc|work:  If FIC wants this product to sell, it'll have to run more than two hours on a charge -- and have a wall-wart that actually charges it.
06:39.20doc|workgnu: right, but that's a fundamental thing which will have to be fixed anyway
06:39.23codylgnu, are you referring to the iphone or neo?
06:39.30doc|workgnu: otherwise it's utterly doomed, open or not
06:39.37codylgnu, i havent had any trouble with my neo's power
06:39.40doc|workI'm talking past that
06:39.51CMgnu: It's a bitbake issue, not makefile, but I don't know what's wrong. Do you have all dependencies? pysqlite2 for example?
06:40.05ljpi think FIC is bigger copr than a niche
06:40.09ljpcorp that is
06:40.11doc|workljp: right
06:40.28gnuCM:  I loaded all dependencies mentioned on the MokoMakefile web page (and even added a few that were poorly documented)
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06:40.49doc|workdesign *is* important
06:41.18doc|workmy first thought seeing the neo was "I want one but, it's a big... ugly"
06:41.24doc|works/big/bit
06:41.31gnuCM:  python-pysqlite2 is already the newest version.
06:41.36codyla bit random question (but FIC is in Taiwan!): Is there an open-source tool for converting a document from traditional to simplified ? (utf-8)
06:42.14ljpthe neo isnt a fashion statement, its a hackers phone
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06:42.30codyllol...its * useful *
06:42.34CMgnu: Have you tried to rebuild bitbake? make clobber-bitbake;make setup-bitbake
06:42.43doc|workljp: sounds like a niche :/
06:43.04gnuCM:  will try that.
06:43.37gnuCM:  same output
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06:43.43CM:(
06:44.07CMgnu: Maybe XorA knows more, or wait for rwhitby
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06:47.26ljpthe neo is not th eonly phone FIC produces. they are a big company
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06:49.21CMCouldn't they produce 100.000 neo's per month if they wanted?
06:49.21tuukkahwhat would be a stronger fashion statement these days than having a hacker phone :-)
06:49.43CMtuukkah: To actually be able to call with it too? :-P
06:49.44doc|hometuukkah: having an attractive hacker phone? :)
06:49.45mbufare there any specific ports (other than FTP) that MokoMakefile uses to do updates?
06:50.28doc|homeCM: hah
06:50.53doc|homewhat's the likelihood of these gsmd/power issues getting sorted before nov? :/
06:50.56tuukkahCM, it wouldn't be a true hacker phone if it worked as an appliance when first shipped:-)
06:51.03gnuCM:  Two other folks have had this problem (in Google); but neither one gives a clean answer about how to get past it.
06:51.18CMgnu: What version of python do you have?
06:51.38gnuCM:  gnu@om:~/src/moko$ python
06:51.38gnuPython 2.5.1c1 (release25-maint, Apr 12 2007, 21:00:25)
06:51.38gnu[GCC 4.1.2 (Ubuntu 4.1.2-0ubuntu4)] on linux2
06:51.50CMHmm.. Same as me then
06:52.12tuukkahdoc|home, if the phone is not attractive, then hacking just isn't strong  enough in you ;-)
06:52.15guaquathe level of core devs being active here has been significantly lower than before
06:52.27doc|hometuukkah: different kind of attractive :)
06:52.27guaquaso i'm guessing they are busy somewhere else
06:52.53guaquathat might mean they've got down to business with new hw or there is going to be a massive delay
06:53.03gnuI hope they are debugging the new hardware.  If not, we're all fucked.
06:53.09doc|hometuukkah: I'm buying one as soon as it's released to the public :)
06:53.17guaquaconsidering they haven't been outright lying to the community before, i'd think the first option is more likely
06:53.58tuukkahdoc|home, the less it looks like yet another nokia phone, the more people will learn about it
06:54.05CMgnu: What shell btw?
06:54.12gnuCM:  bash
06:54.31CMHmm.. Were some problems with dash before, but I think they were fixed
06:54.32doc|hometuukkah: you know what, the first time I saw it, I thought it looked like a nokia phone released in about 2003. The rounded bottom and top.
06:54.40CMgnu: Sorry, I'm out of ideas
06:54.47gnuCM:  I did the update-alternatives thing to get rid of dash.
06:54.56gnuCM:  Thanks for working on it...
06:54.57aloril(script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]]
06:56.05tuukkahdoc|home, really? i have to go see some old photos then
06:56.26doc|hometuukkah: yeah, i'm looking now but that's way too long ago for me to remember the model number
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06:56.44doc|hometuukkah: http://www.phonenews.com/phones/gsm/nokia/images/nokia-3600.jpg
06:56.52doc|homebut I don't think that was it
06:57.11tuukkahi think i know what you have in mind now...
06:57.55doc|homehere we go http://img.hc360.com/home-a/info/images/200704/20070417l52.jpg
06:58.05doc|homeeven has similar chunkiness
06:58.27XorAguaqua: we are here
06:58.51guaquaXorA: didn't know you were with fic :)
06:58.56guaquagood to know :)
06:59.04tuukkahdoc|home, there's even a current model 7373
06:59.04XorAguaqua: I started on monday
06:59.17guaquaooh
06:59.22guaquacongrats
06:59.30XorAguaqua: other core devs are either on much earned holiday of working hard on code ATM
06:59.42doc|hometuukkah: that is a 7373, not sure if it's current or not, I don't really follow phones much other than the neo :)
07:00.57guaquapeople just get frustrated...not very rational. i hope the ones on holiday get enough of it, no use getting people burnt out
07:01.49tuukkahdoc|home, right, might be a couple of years old, but they still sell it and 7370
07:02.15doc|homefair enough
07:02.25CMguaqua: Harald has been going through bugzilla a lot lately :)
07:03.03guaquathat's a good sign
07:06.52guaquaERROR: '.../moko/openembedded/packages/gcc/gcc-cross-initial_4.1.2.bb' failed
07:06.54guaqua:(
07:07.13tuukkahdoc|home, one thing i hear people comment here is how "asian" and "plastic" it looks, and that the design is very foreign to them
07:07.35gnuXorA:  Trying my first MokoMakefile build, instantly getting ValueError on event.py line 67 the first time it tries to run bitbake.  Any clues?
07:08.02guaquahmm
07:08.02guaquai wonder if this is a boog no-one else has
07:10.27Psithe neo charges while plugged in but switched off right?
07:10.39codylPsi, seems to charge while on...
07:10.46tuukkahgnu, the error message is very weird to be caused by that line isn't it?
07:10.51Psiya, it wont turn on, i think its flat
07:11.01codylPsi, give it about 10 mins..it does that
07:11.09Psiok :)
07:11.19gnutuukkah:  The whole thing is about 15 lines, starting "ERROR: no files to build." and ending with a Python stack trace.
07:12.08CMPsi: Sometimes you have to take out the battery for a minute or so, then put it back in. That's to turn off the gsm modem completely so that it charges faster.
07:12.11tuukkahPsi, you may need to remove the battery for a while so that the subsystems shut down too and the charge level actually starts to increase
07:12.19CM:P
07:12.21tuukkahCM :-)
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07:12.49XorAgnu: not a late enough version of sqlite or pysqlite
07:12.57tuukkahgnu, did you have it all pasted somewhere?
07:13.54gnutuukkah:  http://pastebin.ca/725266
07:15.17tuukkahgnu, ok, makes more sense to me there
07:15.57gnuXorA:  Have latest sqlite3 and python-pysqlite2 on Ubuntu; do I need something from CVS?
07:16.25XorAgnu: no, ones from fiesty should be enough
07:17.23gnuThe "ERROR: no files to build" makes me wonder; where should it be finding .bb files?  I don't see any.
07:18.02XorAdid you make setup, make update etc?
07:18.14gnuXorA: yep
07:18.26XorAno idea then Im sorry
07:18.34gnuXorA:  But it's my first time building openembedded, using bitbake, etc;
07:18.44gnuNot a very friendly environment for newbies.
07:19.08XorAMokoMakefile was supposed to make it easy :-)
07:19.17gnu(like having to debug autoconf before you can run a *%&$^# make)
07:19.23XorAit normally just works, must be something were missing here
07:20.14CMgnu: do you have any symlinks?
07:20.29gnuDoes it always say "NOTE: Parsing finished. 0 cached, 0 parsed, 0 skipped, 0 masked." for you?
07:20.31gnuCM: Nope
07:21.12gnuXorA: Mokomakefile seems to be working; it's bitbake that's scrogged...
07:21.38XorAgnu: well it looks like you dont have a checked out copy of OE
07:22.14gnuXorA: gnu@om:~/src/moko$ ls
07:22.14gnubitbake  errs      OE.mtn      openembedded  patches    stamps
07:22.14gnubuild    Makefile  OE.mtn.bz2  openmoko      setup-env  typescript1
07:22.14gnugnu@om:~/src/moko$ ls openembedded
07:22.14gnuargtable  conf     COPYING.MIT  files        _MTN      README       site
07:22.15gnuclasses   contrib  delete.txt   MAINTAINERS  packages  removal.txt
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07:23.35Hopscotchgood morning
07:24.34XorAgnu: pastebin setup-env
07:25.47gnuhttp://pastebin.ca/725270
07:29.21XorAthat looks right
07:30.12gnuXorA: strace shows bitbake is reading openembedded/conf/bitbake.conf, as it should...
07:30.55XorA/home/gnu/src/moko no symlink in that path?
07:31.23gnuXorA:  No symlink.
07:32.32XorAbuild/conf/local.conf?
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07:33.29gnuhttp://pastebin.ca/725274
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07:36.08gnuXorA:  Aha!  It's loading /home/gnu/src/moko/openembedded/conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf, isn't that wrong (should be 2007.2)?
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07:36.20XorAgnu: yeah
07:36.25XorAgnu: old version of Mokomakefile
07:36.40Any_Keymorning
07:36.40atulBitbake and generating packages gives problem
07:36.56atulwhile
07:37.00atulbuilding
07:37.02gnuXorA:  I just downloaded it today -- and did make update-makefile too...
07:37.02atul<PROTECTED>
07:37.05atulgives provblevm
07:37.08atulproblem
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07:38.02gnuXorA: There isn't an openembedded/conf/distro/angstrom-2007.2.conf...
07:38.24XorAgnu: sorry I read that as openmok-2007.1
07:38.36XorAgnu: its right reading angstrom-2007.1
07:39.56gnuXorA:  Hmm, before running MokoMakefile, I checked out the openmoko repository.  Maybe I'll move that aside and see if MokoMakefile does it differently?
07:40.13XorAgnu: possibly
07:40.14Any_Keyhullo CM, what about the ts_harvest.out? got it?
07:40.28XorAgnu: because Im confused
07:40.37gnuXorA:  Me too!
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07:43.28tuukkahatul, atmycommand.bb in a place where bitbake isn't looking for it?
07:43.56atultuukkah : ya i place .bb there in that application folder
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07:59.04emdetei have a really strange effect with my .bb file. since some days i couldn't build because it did not fetch from svn anymore. someone helped me yesterday to fix that (setting SRCREV="${AUTOREV}"). after that it worked find but the final ipk is now build in a path containing a additional /morgue at the end... any idea why?
08:01.44emdete...the mystery of bitbake - nobody knows? hm :D
08:02.22guaquano idea
08:02.27ynezzhttp://www.openembedded.org/wiki/DirectoryStructure
08:03.07guaquai just know, i can't build and the problem is with gcc-cross-initial
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08:04.15emdeteynezz: thnx... outdated? why that? hm
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08:08.50emdeteynezz: ah, understand, than this make build-package-package-index put it there...?
08:09.14ynezzdunno
08:10.07emdetei had a version with rev rHEAD (as string) which it found more recent, so r2136 was 'outdated' when it created the package db
08:11.31ynezzcould be, that move is done by ipkg-make-index
08:12.04emdetei understand the comment in the page this way... one more x-file closed on bb  :D
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08:37.26CMAny_Key: Yes, same place as before
08:37.41CMAny_Key: Sent you some messages about it, just a sec
08:38.00CMhttp://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/ts_harvest.out
08:39.03Any_KeyCM, perfect, lets see
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09:11.31ScaredyCatbuilt
09:11.54ScaredyCatutils even
09:13.12woglindehi scaredycat
09:13.30ScaredyCatlo woglinde
09:13.38woglindescaredycat bitbake -optionsfordependencygraph sometask
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09:13.49woglindethan you can see why irda is in
09:13.56ScaredyCatooo.. nice... ta
09:14.04woglindebitbake -g I think it was
09:16.21ScaredyCatroofs ...
09:16.24ScaredyCatfootfs
09:16.27ScaredyCatgah!
09:16.30ScaredyCatrootfs
09:16.47ScaredyCatwhich means, it's not really needed - no/
09:16.48ScaredyCat?
09:16.52_diego__footfs is interesting ^^
09:19.01woglindescaredycat roots includes irda?
09:19.32ScaredyCatyes, seems to be a dep for rootfs
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09:20.00ScaredyCat"openmoko-devel-image.do_rootfs" -> "irda-utils.do_populate_staging"
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09:20.34zeckewoglinde: salut
09:21.22woglindehi zecke
09:22.37atul<PROTECTED>
09:22.47atul<PROTECTED>
09:22.47atulmake build-package-atmycommand
09:23.00atulIt gives error to me
09:23.02atul<PROTECTED>
09:23.25atulcan anyone tell me the solutions
09:23.28atulto this problem
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09:25.39woglindeatul yes build a package that is in oe like smaba
09:25.43woglindeaeh samba
09:25.48ziluxI begin too with this environment, it seems that the new packages have to be added in an environment variable
09:26.06woglindethan the error is really clear
09:26.12woglinde-> ERROR: No providers of build target atmycommand (for [])
09:26.32floriangood morning
09:26.34XorAzween: another Scottish person?
09:26.38ziluxatul: there are more details if i remember well in the crash course for developers in the openmoko wiki
09:26.43woglindehi florian
09:27.41ziluxatul: e.g. there: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course#Adding_Your_Application_to_the_Image
09:28.05atulzilux : thx
09:28.11atuli go throuth it
09:28.18atulwoglinge : thx
09:29.01zweenXorA: Hi. Not scottish, but I study in Edinburgh.
09:29.14woglindeatul ah you wanted to integrate a package
09:29.17zweenXorA: Where are you?
09:29.24atulwoglinge : yes
09:29.30XorAzween: just outside Edin
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09:31.19zweenXorA: When you come to Edinburgh some time, we could go for a pint. I would actually be interested what other people do with openmoko around here.
09:31.47XorAzween: SpeedEvil is just north of us as well
09:32.01XorAzween: there is a page on wiki details where people are :-D
09:32.15XorAzween: I might make November LUG
09:33.40zweenXorA: dont follow the lug mailing list that much and never been to a meeting.
09:36.58XorAzween: but I work for OpenMoko so thats what I do with one :-D
09:38.22zweenXorA: right.
09:38.40CMDid anyone manage to set up a google map over moko users/devs in the same way as nslu2 has?
09:39.15zweenXorA: well, I guess this will also be your topic for the november lug then. Ill make sure I come around to this one then.
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10:05.02zdanekhello all
10:05.28zdanekdoes anybody know are there USB Host drivers inside  of kernel?
10:05.40lrgXorA: November EdLug sounds good.
10:11.38CIA-23openmoko: 03chris * r3077 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (ChangeLog src/today-pim-journal.c):
10:11.38CIA-23openmoko: * src/today-pim-journal.c:
10:11.38CIA-23openmoko: Fix bug #901, thanks to Roman Moravcik
10:12.47atulgetting error, "ERROR: No providers of build target", trying to build local package using this, http://free-opensource.qvantel.net/mediawiki/index.php/OpenMoko_Hello_World_Debian_20072#bitbake_and_generating_packages
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10:54.57aloril(script) wiki RecentChanges: [[PyFeedRead]] [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[User:Zween]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Edinburgh]] [[User:Daltona]]
10:55.44XorAlrg: you got Edlug to move back to a pub yet?
10:56.08lrgXorA: not yet, I need to resubscribe to the list again.
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10:56.54lrgXorA: although there are 4 of us now. Bob, Mark, you and I. We could allways
10:57.03lrgXorA: force a vote !
10:57.14XorAlrg: though dont know if I can make it for sure
10:57.38lrgXorA: np, I will be in India for Dec lug.
10:57.57lrgXorA: going to fins of blackness
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10:58.22zash`kanelbulle!
10:59.28jeddy3mmm, kanelbullens dag idag =)
11:00.13torporjavla sjuit bolla!
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11:00.42jeddy3:D
11:03.14CMjeddy3: Börjar jobba på HiQ i Stockholm i Januari förresten :)
11:03.24jeddy3CM, grattis! :D
11:03.34CIA-23openmoko: 03chris * r3078 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c):
11:03.34CIA-23openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c:
11:03.34CIA-23openmoko: Really don't allow clicks after scrolling has begun, fix crash when
11:03.34CIA-23openmoko: destroying widget while scrolling timeout is active
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11:05.03CIA-23openmoko: 03thomas * r3079 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokojournal2/ (10 files in 3 dirs):
11:05.03CIA-23openmoko: * Makefile.am:
11:05.03CIA-23openmoko: * autogen.sh:
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11:05.05CIA-23openmoko: * doc/reference/libmokojournal-docs.sgml:
11:05.09CIA-23openmoko: Add gtk-doc support
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11:19.38BernteUi - got my Neo today. :-)
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11:22.13CMBernte: Ah, nice :)
11:23.21SpeedEvil:)
11:25.40emdeteBernte: and what are your first impressions?
11:26.05CM"Because first impressions last.." ;)
11:26.36SpeedEvilBernte: when did you order?
11:27.22CMBernte: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners
11:27.40mbufwhat files need to be backed up before doing an update? "make update-makefile && make setup update openmoko-devel-image" overwrote my setup-env file
11:27.52emdeteBernte seems to go offline for his neo... ;)
11:28.12SpeedEvilBernte: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Robustness
11:28.21CMMaybe watching it boot, slowly... ;)
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11:29.56emdetegood stuff, SpeedEvil, didn't know that page :D
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11:34.20torporabraxa_: i'm trying out mediaplayer .. doesn't work too well yet, or what?
11:34.38CMtorpor: Told him about your problem. It's fixed in svn
11:34.47torpori created a new playlist by hand (text file editor) ..
11:34.55torporCM: oh, okay i'll do an update now and check it out ..
11:34.59CMtorpor: It has to do with that it doesn't check for the folder correctly
11:35.09torporcouldn't make it play anything, though
11:35.28CMtorpor: I think the version in OpenMoko is locked at a certain source rev
11:35.30torpori made a dummy playlist, it loaded it fine.  but i couldn't find out hwo to play a track at all ..
11:35.38torporhow do i get the svn version then?
11:35.59abraxa_torpor: Did you create /home/root/playlists?
11:36.00CMI'm not sure. He said he's redoing the gui completely
11:36.12torpori see
11:36.27CMabraxa_: Shh.. You're interrupting the information relay station! :P
11:36.34abraxa_xP~
11:36.38CMHehe
11:36.55BernteSpeedEvil: Sorry - was AFK ... Let me check when I ordered, but it must have been 1 month+ ...
11:37.03cesarbScaredyCat: I'd guess the IRDA stuff is actually for OBEX, which is the same in BT... the rootfs dependency might be bogus (if there was a true dependency, it would go through tasks)
11:37.25torporabraxa_: yes
11:37.34torporand i put my dummy playlist (copied rom the wiki) in there
11:37.42torporbut there's no play button, no way to start a track, etc.
11:37.58Bernteemdete: More or less ;-) I am at work, so no 100% OpenMoko buisness currently ;-)
11:38.05abraxa_torpor: What do you see then?
11:38.45BernteJust writing the rootfs ... I assume that I do not need to update the kernel yet.
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11:40.03torporabraxa_: booting up now
11:40.24CMBernte: It's much quicker than updating the rootfs. Also, you need to have a matching kernel to the rootfs, or the modules won't load
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11:40.51BernteHmm ...
11:41.04thoszecke: you around?
11:41.23BernteIs  OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-September-Snapshot-20070917-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2  the right rootfs? Which one is the matching kernel?
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11:41.51CMBernte: That's a fairly old one
11:41.52zeckethos: yes
11:42.03zeckethos: fighting with a bios upgrade though :)
11:42.20thoszecke: this line has your name next to it... #define MOKO_HINT_ENTRY_GET_CLASS(obj)      (G_TYPE_INSTANCE_GET_CLASS ((obj), MOKO_TYPE_HINT_ENTRY, MokoGroupComboClass))
11:42.27BernteCM: Which ones should I take?
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11:43.18torporabraxa_: i start up mediaplayer and i get the msg " gstreamer error: resource not found"
11:43.23torporit has autoloaded my playlist
11:43.32CMBernte: I'm using one I built yesterday, and it works great
11:43.43fgautorpor: try killall pulseaudio
11:43.44torporand i see no play button, but a button that goes "<" instead of">"
11:44.03abraxa_torpor: The button is wrong as of now, yes
11:44.24abraxa_torpor: Resource not found means that it can't load the track
11:44.25torporok
11:44.35thoszecke: sorry, false alarm :-)
11:44.38torporbut i get the track info - riders on the storm, the doors, etc.
11:44.43torporso its loading something
11:44.56BernteCM: Well - I think I will use a pre-build one before I start compiling the stuff myself.
11:45.07abraxa_torpor: If you loaded the tracks before then the metadata is saved within the playlist itself
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11:45.26CMBernte: If you want you can have the ones I've built. No guarantees though..
11:45.41torporabraxa_: ok
11:45.43CMBernte: They work for me, and you can't brick your Neo
11:46.08abraxa_torpor: Are you trying to load tracks from SD? Maybe it's not mounted for some reason?
11:46.24CMBernte: http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/2007.2/
11:46.29torporyeah the SD is mounted
11:47.29abraxa_torpor: Is that the playlist you made? I suggest you make a new one and add the tracks
11:47.34torporso i should do 'killall pulseaudio' then abraxa_?
11:47.59abraxa_torpor: That won't help you with loading the files - that's for "resource busy" problems :)
11:48.16torporNOTE: Task failed: Error: /home/j/hak/openmoko/openembedded/packages/ipkg/ipkg-0.99.163/./lonk-link-name.patch not found.
11:48.43CMBernte: I guess you're following http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko ? And don't touch your uboot unless you have a debugboard and know what you're doing. :)
11:49.10torporoops
11:49.12cesarbAnd don't type "nand erase" (the correct is "nand erase rootfs")
11:49.12torporwtf?
11:49.12torporroot@fic-gta01:~$ mount /media/card
11:49.12torpormount: special device /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not exist
11:49.16abraxa_CM: I thought there's a known good version of uboot in NOR flash that you can't overwrite?
11:49.32BernteCM: I will not touch the u-boot, and I _do_ have a debug board ;-)
11:49.36CMabraxa_: Not in GTA01, but GTA02 is supposed to have that
11:49.40cesarbhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:CesarB/Things_not_to_do_with_your_Neo has more...
11:49.41abraxa_CM: Ohh okay
11:49.48BernteCM: But thanks for the warning.
11:49.59CMBernte: Aww.. I'm jealous! My partition table is borked and i don't have a debugboard
11:50.01abraxa_torpor: I guess there is your problem ;x
11:51.04torporrebooting now abraxa_
11:51.13torporwhen i tried yesterday the media card was there (thats where i put the test songs)
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11:51.22torporanyway is there some chance i can update to the latest version?
11:51.33nobody96moin
11:51.36BernteCM: Sorry to hear that, and Sweden is just too far away from Switzerland.
11:52.04cesarbCM: since you can get into linux, you could in theory find out the environment partition offset (it's hidden somewhere in the OOB data of the first pages of the flash), create a valid environment (with a valid partition table), and flash it directly in the correct offset on the device... (that can, however, overwrite your kernel, so you'd have only one chance :( )
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11:52.50CMcesarb: It would be worth a shot, but I'm not good enough to know how to do that. I'll have to mail it somewhere though
11:53.03CMcesarb: I know, see bug 765 :)
11:53.15abraxa_torpor: I don't think so as OE doesn't use the latest version from SVN from what I know - I can send you a recent build if you want to, though
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11:53.37cesarbCM: well, I bought mine with a debug board, since I think I'm the only one in Brazil with a neo so far
11:53.39Henryktorpor: did you apply http://people.openmoko.org/henryk/ipkg-long-link-name.patch? or where did you get that recipe from?
11:53.50torporabraxa_: i just wanna help with the mediaplayer however i can..
11:53.52cesarbCM: (and I'm reading the bug list, so I've seen that bug report)
11:53.59torporHenryk: i just did make update
11:54.07CMcesarb: I should have done that too, but I wasn't planning to play with uboot
11:54.19rohwell.. i have a debugboard here in berlin.. which is somehow in the middle of sweden<->switzerland
11:54.32abraxa_torpor: Thanks, I appreciate it :)
11:54.32torporHenryk: so its a typo in the public version ..
11:54.47BernteSo, have to get back to writing my PhD thesis. Will continue playing later ;-)
11:54.53CMroh: I guess just mailing it there and back would work fairly good.
11:55.00Henryktorpor: well yes, there's a typo, but at least I copy and pasted the typo to both occurences
11:55.06torporheh heh.
11:55.12CMIt still boots though, so I'm not desperate to get it fixed.
11:55.26CMI'd try to fix it "manually" first though :)
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11:55.41nobody96sorry to interrupt
11:55.41yoyohi 2 all
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11:55.51rohCM so your uboot_env is snafu-ed?
11:56.02nobody96can someone help me building uicmoc4-native
11:56.17CMroh: Yes. For a while I could get it back, but it haven't worked lately
11:56.42nobody96i have tried a lot but it fails with http://pastebin.com/m2c873815 everytime
11:57.01yoyonobody96: see http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=747
11:57.08awesomocan you see this
11:57.57CMawesomo: this?
11:58.19awesomoyay. i have a patch for mac os x "dfu-util"
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11:58.36awesomowhat's the right way to make sure it is done right
11:58.43nobody96that was fast :)
11:58.44nobody96thanks
11:59.17CMawesomo: I'd suggest posting it to bugzilla, and maybe to the relevant mailinglist :)
11:59.31awesomoKTHX
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11:59.53torporabraxa_: okay doing a new test from fresh boot now
11:59.58torpori still get the gstreamer error ..
12:00.21abraxa_Is the SD mounted?
12:00.31torporabraxa_: yes
12:00.37torporthis time it is .. just had to re-seat it.
12:00.48nobody96why this patch isnt in the repository?
12:00.52abraxa_torpor: Can you pastebin the .xspf?
12:01.00rohCM well.. mailinglist and bugzilla are the right places for patches ;)
12:01.57torporabraxa_: just a minute, i'm on mac osx, have to re-do network config every time i reboot the neo
12:02.07rohnibbo_ stinks like gcc3 vs gcc4 .. which gcc are you using?
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12:02.15abraxa_torpor: No need to stress out ;)
12:02.29torporok
12:03.38torporhttp://rafb.net/p/MqvDaY96.html
12:03.41torpor^^ abraxa_
12:04.04torporhttp://rafb.net/p/lugWw327.html
12:04.27torporgstreamer: internal data flow error
12:04.54mbufafter you add tasks to projects.openmoko.org, does it take time to view the tasks assigned to you?
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12:08.14mbufhas anyone encountered build failure on webkit-gtk?
12:08.50abraxa_torpor: Playlist is valid and if the files really *are* mp3s then there should be no problem... but let me send you the latest SVN build
12:09.11torporok
12:09.24torporalso whats to be done about pulseaudio now?  how do i restart it properly so it doesn't interfere with our testing/
12:10.04abraxa_torpor: It won't with the build I'm sending :)
12:10.10torporok
12:11.44abraxa_torpor: Please save http://abraxa.dyndns.org:81/random/openmoko-mediaplayer to /usr/bin on the Neo and try again
12:12.22awesomois anyone running gcc on the neo yet
12:12.28torporabraxa_: done.
12:12.31torportrying now
12:12.57yoyohardware question: on pcb board ar there any rs232 (lv) pins?
12:13.16hrwawesomo: "ipkg install task-sdk-native" should  give you all needed to build helloworld.c
12:13.35awesomoexcellent.  
12:13.49torporCannot find package task-sdk-native.
12:14.03awesomojust flashing to the august snapshot
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12:14.45CMmbuf: Yes, I did before. Was an issue with libicui18n or something like that
12:15.14mbufCM, do I need to wait for any fixes?
12:15.18CMmbuf: I rebuilt everything from scratch, but just rebuilding glibc and icu might be enough
12:15.44CMI sync:ed and built a complete image this morning
12:15.51orospakrhm, if a file was downloaded and corrupted on the way down, and I remove it manually, Mokomakefile doesn't appear to redownload the missing file, and just blows up with a file not found error.
12:16.05mbufCM, "make update-makefile && make setup && make update" ; "make clean-package-glibc clean-package-icu" ; "make openmoko-devel-image"?
12:16.30CMmbuf: I can't promise it works, because I haven't tried it
12:16.37CMmbuf: But it looks good to me. :D
12:17.33CMmbuf: When I had that problem with webkit-gtk I couldn't build icu either. Someone suggested rebuilding glibc would fix that, but by then I had aready restarted a complete build
12:17.43torporabraxa_: this version doesn't work
12:17.55torporsome dialog box comes up with a large error message but it disappears too fast for me to see
12:18.00torpori'll try launching it from the cmd line ..
12:18.08mbufCM, i see, in the above, i should also do "make clean-package-webkit-gtk", i guess
12:18.36torporroot@fic-gta01:~$ DISPLAY=0:0 openmoko-mediaplayer
12:18.36torporReceived SIGSEGV
12:18.36torporThis might be a bug in the OpenMoko Media Player.
12:18.45abraxa_uhh..
12:18.55torporsomething about gstreamer
12:19.06abraxa_Ahh
12:19.42abraxa_Do you have libgstpulse.so in /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/ ?
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12:21.31torporgst-plugin-pulse
12:21.43abraxa_torpor: Copy http://abraxa.dyndns.org:81/random/libgstpulse.so there, please (unless you want to compile it yourself)
12:21.43CMmbuf: Let me know later if that worked :)
12:22.05torporabraxa_: how about i just do ipkg install gst-plugin-pulse
12:22.17abraxa_torpor: Works, too ;)
12:22.38abraxa_I just never use ipkg, so...
12:22.52torporokay it starts, but i still get gstreamer error: internal data flow error on startup
12:22.57torporbut at least the app is starting up now
12:22.59torpori see gui, etc.
12:23.20mbufCM, doing "make openmoko-devel-image", it is rebuilding glibc now
12:23.45torporabraxa_: i hit play ("<" button) and it stays turned on 'red', but no sound.
12:23.50abraxa_torpor: Do you have libgstmad.so in /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/ ? Actually, can you just show me the contents of that dir?
12:24.18torporhttp://rafb.net/p/RXOuPf57.html
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12:25.40abraxa_torpor: Hm.
12:26.46abraxa_torpor: Please try a "gst-launch filesrc location=/media/card/riders.mp3 ! playbin ! pulsesink" on the command line
12:27.05torporWARNING: erroneous pipeline: could not link filesrc0 to playbin0
12:28.09torporno sound
12:28.33awesomoi got sound!!
12:28.35awesomoyay
12:30.03awesomodang this is slow
12:30.09awesomobut at least it makes noise.
12:30.56abraxa_torpor: "gst-launch filesrc location=/media/card/riders.mp3 ! mad ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! pulsesink"
12:31.08abraxa_awesomo: Using gst-launch or how?
12:31.34awesomoabraxa_ : i just reflashed to the august snapshot and sound started working
12:31.38abraxa_Ahh
12:31.47torporabraxa_: okay now something is playing but its verys hitty
12:31.58awesomoi'm not on the bleeding edge yet..it makes a noise whenever i touch the screen
12:32.12torporits riders alright, but its stuttering and noisy and doesn't sound like the sample right is correct.
12:32.38torporoops
12:32.40jeddy3WARNING: erroneous pipeline: no element "pulsesink"
12:32.51abraxa_torpor: That's somewhat expected as the CPU is too slow for audioconvert/audioresample
12:33.06abraxa_jeddy3: ipkg install gst-plugin-pulse
12:33.21jeddy3abraxa_, ah got it
12:33.32torporok
12:33.40torpori'm gonna restart now abraxa_ and have another go..
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12:33.44abraxa_oki
12:34.06torporso what does that test tell us then abraxa_ ?
12:34.21awesomooh wow
12:34.24abraxa_torpor: gstreamer itself works :)
12:34.37awesomoi can scroll by flicking ... like the iphone .. cool
12:35.03torporok
12:35.07torporrebooted now
12:35.09torporwhat should i do abraxa_ ?
12:35.38jeddy3abraxa_, yes that does it, although get the "could not link" issue with playbin, and choppy playback with audioconvert
12:38.38abraxa_torpor: Please replace your libgstmad.so in /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10 with this one: http://abraxa.dyndns.org:81/random/libgstmad.so
12:39.00abraxa_(it has a patch that will eventually land in OE, too)
12:44.09yoyowho read/send successfully sms on moko (without console :P)?
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12:46.34jeddy3abraxa_, openmoko-mediaplayer says gstreamer: resource busy or not avaliable
12:46.53torporabraxa_: doing it
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12:48.52abraxa_jeddy3: "killall pulseaudio" should remedy that
12:49.19torporabraxa_: i gotta go now but i will try this testing again in a few hours ..
12:49.19jeddy3abraxa_, sure does :D
12:49.33abraxa_torpor: Okay, thanks :)
12:54.57aloril(script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:SNMoore]]
12:57.00torporabraxa_: it works!  with http://abraxa.dyndns.org:81/random/libgstmad.so
12:57.18torporstill lags every now and then but i guess thats a better improvement for the future
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12:57.52abraxa_torpor: Good :)
12:58.05torporcant go to the neext track tho
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12:58.28abraxa_What happens when you click on the button?
12:58.49torpornothing
12:58.52torporlags too
12:59.01abraxa_But it says 01/03 tracks?
12:59.09torporyup
12:59.15abraxa_Hmm.
12:59.57torpori have multiple copies of the same track in the playlist, maybe that has something to do with it ..
13:00.01torporbut this is great.
13:00.06torpori'll play with it a bit later and try to contribute some more ..
13:00.11torporgotta go now.  thanks abraxa_ !!!
13:00.14abraxa_okay
13:00.16abraxa_Thanks for helping ;3
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13:06.05CIA-23openmoko: 03zecke * r3080 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-feedreader2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
13:06.05CIA-23openmoko: 2007-10-04 Holger 'Siddhartha' Freyther <zecke@selfish.org>
13:06.05CIA-23openmoko:  s/WebKitGtk/WebKit/g
13:06.05CIA-23openmoko:  s/webkit_gtk_/webkit_/g
13:06.05CIA-23openmoko:  s/WEBKIT_GTK_/WEBKIT_/g
13:06.06CIA-23openmoko:  * src/Makefile.am:
13:06.08CIA-23openmoko:  * src/callbacks.c:
13:08.55CIA-23openmoko: 03abraxa * r3081 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/src/ (guitools.c guitools.h main.c playback.c): Make sure the error dialog is readable if gst-plugin-pulse is missing and exit gracefully afterwards
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13:23.10zash`ADDICTED!!
13:23.48cb22_like crack :/
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13:25.40ar0x`hello
13:25.47abraxa_Hellos :)
13:26.27ar0x`do you know if there is any "official" member of the project here ?
13:26.28alorilar0x`: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
13:26.35abraxa_There are
13:26.58abraxa_XorA|gone and roh, for example (and I guess myself, though I'm not a hired member, heh)
13:27.11ar0x`ok
13:27.26abraxa_Got any questions?
13:27.28ar0x`are they also member of the core-team ?
13:27.42viqabraxa_: ie "you do the job without being paid"? ;P
13:27.44abraxa_Nope
13:28.14abraxa_viq: Pretty much, unless google's Summer of Code counts ;)
13:28.20viqhehe
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13:30.05abraxa_ar0x`: What do you want to know?
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13:31.27ar0x`abraxa_: see my pm
13:32.12abraxa_ar0x`: You don't seem to have your nick registered, so you can't send PMs just yet
13:32.16mbufCM, "make update-makefile && make setup && make update" ; "make clean-package-glibc clean-package-icu clean-package-webkit-gtk" ; "make openmoko-devel-image" - resulted in package-icu failed build error
13:32.22CMar0x`: mickey|portugal is back next week monday, he's here a lot. LaF0rge is also here some times, but usually quiet
13:32.23ar0x`oups, yep, I just noticed this
13:32.32CMmbuf: Sucks..
13:33.09CMmbuf: That icu error is the same reason as the webkit error. Must mean that there's something more than glibc that has to be rebuilt
13:33.21mbufCM, i see
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13:35.57aloril(script) openmoko-neo1973: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: QVGA for Neo
13:36.12CMmbuf: What if you try building icu-native first?
13:36.22mbufCM, build error log, http://pastebin.ca/725484
13:36.40mbufCM, how would i do that?
13:37.04ar0xCM: thanks
13:37.21CMmake rebuild-package-icu-native
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13:38.36CMmbuf: That's the exact same error I used to get. Building from scratch gets around it, but it would be nicer to only rebuild the package you need to...
13:39.06mbufCM, i don't have the luxury/download speed to build from scratch :(
13:39.25CMOh, ok. Hmm..
13:39.28mbufCM, build from scratch, you mean, create new moko directory, and do the whole step again? but that will be inefficient
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13:39.40mbuf*whole build steps
13:39.53CMmbuf: Yes, very inefficient. Takes 10h on my comp
13:40.14mbufCM, make rebuild-package-icu-native is complete; what next?
13:40.38mbufCM, make openmoko-devel-image?
13:40.43CMOk.. That worked. Then I wonder why make rebuild-package-icu doesn't
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13:40.58CMmbuf: I don't know the requirements for icu
13:41.02CMThat's the problem
13:41.36mbufCM, ok
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13:42.56mbufCM, should i post to openmoko-devel?
13:43.30CMI guess so. I'm sure someone there knows where to look
13:43.38CMJust list all steps you've gone through already
13:45.51CIA-23openmoko: 03thomas * r3083 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokojournal2/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
13:45.51CIA-23openmoko: * mokojournal/moko-journal.c:
13:45.52CIA-23openmoko: * mokojournal/moko-journal.h:
13:45.52CIA-23openmoko: Move documentation in C file
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13:51.37CMmbuf: Maybe something in tzset, tzname, or timezone has changed? I looked some at what the icu configure script checks for and those were at least there.
13:52.14mbufCM, my date is wrong!
13:52.30mbufCM, its not supposed to be Friday, yet
13:52.46CMmbuf: Hehe.. It's not, but that's not the problem
13:52.55BernteIs the UI meant to be so slow? The reaction time looks bad to me.
13:53.15CMBernte: Yes, it's a bit sluggish. There's a lot of debug-output written
13:53.16emdeteBernte: hopefully its all the debug code in there...
13:53.25abraxa_Bernte: Yeah, OpenMoko folks want to make their customers wait. Duh. ;p
13:53.32CMabraxa_: Hehe
13:54.05CMmbuf: make rebuild-package-timezones  might be something?
13:54.16emdeteabraxa_: after they waited for the neo so long... ;)
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13:54.41BernteCM: Are the Trolltech people doing a better job? Is it faster?
13:54.54CMBernte: It's a lot faster
13:55.13BernteCM: Thought so (as a KDE user ;-) )
13:55.19CMBernte: ljp is working on a new release right now
13:55.30CMBernte: I'm a Gnome user.. :P
13:56.03abraxa_It's not about GTK vs. QT really. Qtopia has had a lot more time to mature
13:56.49BernteCM: Well - it can be slow as hell ... the only thing I would like to see sooner than later is the GSM phone. All my collegues already smirk that I bought a phone that cannot phone (yea, everyboyd knowns it is under development, but it is still strange).
13:57.35CMBernte: I could call with the latest OpenMoko builds and with the latest Qtopia builds
13:57.49mbufCM, clock skew detected, your build may be incomplete
13:57.58CMBoth have trouble with power management though, and some audio issues
13:58.01abraxa_Bernte: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-September/009997.html might be an interesting read for you
13:58.11CMmbuf: :( Maybe you have to rebuild everything?
13:58.26CMIf you do, don't remove the sources folder
13:58.30mbufCM, how would i do that?
13:59.12CMmbuf: make clobber cleans out everything
13:59.21mbufCM, ok
13:59.36mbufCM, thanks for your time and help
13:59.57Bernteabraxa_: Yes, I was aware ... But I though that "calling" was just ringing, w.o. audio ... was not aware that it was possible to _speak_ while connected.
14:00.37abraxa_Sorry, you lost me there :)
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14:33.06PBeckhi
14:34.49mortenlysgaardHi
14:35.13Sup3rkiddohi all
14:35.40mortenlysgaardAnyone know how gta2 is coming along?
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14:36.53enjahovawhere can i read about theming/skinning the neo?
14:37.00thosenjahova: you can ask me
14:37.22enjahovawell, if i or a friend of mine were to decide to make a new skin
14:37.27enjahovawhat would be the first step?
14:37.39mortenlysgaardabraxa_, Ok *douh*
14:38.02SpeedEvilenjahova: make a 3D model of the existing case.
14:38.17enjahovawhoops, i mean software theme then
14:38.25zash`gtk-stuffs!
14:38.25SpeedEvilenjahova: Then talk to your local patternmaker, or machine it out of a billet.
14:38.30SpeedEvilOh :)
14:38.33enjahova:)
14:38.38enjahovathough that does sound interesting...
14:38.48SpeedEvilI want a fake-damascus steel case.
14:38.50thosenjahova: well your first step would be to design it
14:39.10enjahovathos: logical ^^
14:39.23thosenjahova: design the look for widgets in each state.. buttons, checkboxes, pressed, unpressed
14:39.26thosenjahova: etc
14:39.43zash`hm, überheavy steel casing would be nice
14:40.01abraxa_thos: Is there anything I need to do to use your GTK+ engine for the media player btw?
14:40.01SpeedEvilhttp://www.crandart.co.uk/damasteel.htm
14:40.22SpeedEvilOf course - it's stupidly expensive.
14:40.29thosabraxa_: do you have the engine installed?
14:40.33zash`with lead for extra weight
14:40.53CMzash`: And Not that good reception for gps and gsm ;)
14:41.14zash`CM: gah, who needs that in a phone? ;)
14:41.15abraxa_thos: Not at the moment - I'm just wondering cause it seems to eventually be standard to use so I would like to take advantage of it as well :)
14:41.30thosabraxa_: are you writing media player?
14:41.34SpeedEvil100 pounds or so for the billet to machine the case out of.
14:41.36abraxa_thos: Yeah
14:41.44thosabraxa_: you shouldn't need to do anything
14:42.02thosabraxa_: media player currently crashes on startup for me though, so I can't tell
14:43.10abraxa_thos: Oh okay then. And yeah, that's because OE apparently SRCREV's a version that isn't as bug-free as HEAD is
14:43.35thosabraxa_: you should get it using autorev then
14:43.35abraxa_Or, to make it simple: it expects /home/root/playlists to exist and segfaults if it doesn't
14:43.52thosabraxa_: tell XorA to update it :-)
14:44.00abraxa_Okay, will do :)
14:45.20CMthos: I like abraxa_'s mockups: http://dar-clan.de/mediaplayer_compact.jpg
14:45.34abraxa_CM: That's random hehe
14:45.58CMRandom?
14:46.27abraxa_Yeah cause I didn't expect that
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14:52.07WritchieCell-Coverage coming to mt. everest - maybe China Mobile will buy AT&T and we will finally get coverage indoors in the U.S.
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14:53.38abraxa_China Mobile buying AT&T? Hmm, I would think the government wouldn't like that ;)
14:54.15Writchieno - Chinese Government won't care - even if its a bad deal
14:54.30thomasgI think he means the US government
14:54.37aloril(script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:ChrisLord]] [[Talk:Main_Page]] [[GUI_Style_Guidelines]] [[No_Linux]] [[P1_Owners]]
14:54.37Writchie;)
14:55.11WritchieI forgot - China is Free and US is not
14:55.55abraxa_lol, that's a good one ;)
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14:58.06yoyosi a
14:58.14thoswho owns the aloril scripts?
14:58.22thosthe wiki script is really broken
14:58.31aloriloh?
15:00.11thosaloril: well I don't think Chris has edited the wiki today for starters
15:00.17thosaloril: I just made an edit however
15:00.20alorilhmm.. its not in order, but otherwise its changes since it blurbed previous time
15:00.47alorilhmm.. yeah, maybe should not include minor edits (see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Recentchanges )
15:01.25CMI think minor edits are ok to show :)
15:01.25thosaloril: ah sorry, I thought it was giving the author name
15:01.36thoschris has been editing his own page
15:02.11alorilit does list changes only once every 2 hours
15:02.47alorilthos: so just wait for > 1h for your edit to be announced here too ;-)
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15:03.37alorilit could be improved various ways though (like highlighting edits by openmoko company people for exapmle)
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15:04.24Vegaraloril: does it announce minor edits?
15:04.37thosaloril: I just assumed it announced the author of the edit
15:04.38alorilyes
15:04.41alorilVegar: yes
15:05.02Vegarok
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15:05.08Vegaroh, you mentioned it above
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15:05.13VegarI should start reading the backlog
15:06.02abraxa_thos: Do you happen to know of a way to make openmoko-today process X requests synchronously? --synchronous doesn't seem to work, unfortunately
15:06.49thosabraxa_: which one of those was supposed to say asynchronous? ;-)
15:07.09thosabraxa_: first of all, what's the problem
15:08.21abraxa_thos: I'm trying to debug it because I want to resolve bug #863 - making X process the calls from openmoko-today synchronously would make it a tad easier
15:08.33abraxa_...or wait... do I have to start X with --synchronous then?
15:09.47thosabraxa_: I think you want to start openmoko-today with --sync ?
15:10.57thosabraxa_: chris is just about to comment on the bug
15:11.04thosabraxa_: I think he is thinking along the same lines as you
15:11.09abraxa_thos: Oh, --sync it is... okay
15:11.37abraxa_I'm curious what he has to say since I have an idea as well :)
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15:27.11RalphEichelbergehey guys
15:27.31RalphEichelbergequick qestion to the network-people here
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15:28.02abraxa_Network people?
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15:28.32wibbitabraxa_: probably best to wait for the question :)
15:28.35RalphEichelbergewhen i type "ping www.honda.com" on my neo1973
15:28.49RalphEichelbergei get Host name lookup failure
15:29.09jeddy3RalphEichelberge, you have a resolv.conf?
15:29.10RalphEichelbergeI have /etc/resolf.conf set
15:29.12jeddy3:D
15:29.21wibbitRalphEichelberge: have you checked the usual regarding dns entires? I'm guessing it will be in /etc/resolv.conf
15:29.23RalphEichelbergeroot@fic-gta01:/var/lib/ipkg$ cat /etc/resolf.conf
15:29.24RalphEichelbergenameserver 82.150.193.2
15:29.24RalphEichelbergenameserver 82.150.192.2
15:29.31wibbitCan you ping those two servers by ip?
15:29.31abraxa_Can you ping those?
15:29.31RalphEichelbergeroot@fic-gta01:/var/lib/ipkg$ nslookup www.honda.com 82.150.193.2
15:29.31RalphEichelbergeServer:     cdns2.hotze.com
15:29.31RalphEichelbergeAddress:    82.150.193.2
15:29.31RalphEichelbergeName:       www.honda.com
15:29.32RalphEichelbergeAddress:    164.109.25.248
15:29.42RalphEichelbergei can even look up :)
15:29.42jeddy3and if you ping using ip numbers?
15:29.47jeddy3aah :)
15:29.52RalphEichelbergeit works too
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15:30.01RalphEichelbergebut it doesnt lookup
15:30.07wibbitRalphEichelberge: if you type, nslookup
15:30.14wibbitand then type www.google.com
15:30.16wibbitor what ever.
15:30.20wibbitDoes it resolve?
15:30.26RalphEichelbergeroot@fic-gta01:/var/lib/ipkg$ ping 164.109.25.248
15:30.26RalphEichelbergePING 164.109.25.248 (164.109.25.248): 56 data bytes
15:30.26RalphEichelberge64 bytes from 164.109.25.248: icmp_seq=0 ttl=236 time=124.4 ms
15:30.26RalphEichelberge64 bytes from 164.109.25.248: icmp_seq=1 ttl=236 time=123.3 ms
15:30.44RalphEichelbergeroot@fic-gta01:/var/lib/ipkg$ ping www.honda.com
15:30.44RalphEichelbergeping: www.honda.com: Host name lookup failure
15:30.44RalphEichelbergeroot@fic-gta01:/var/lib/ipkg$
15:30.55RalphEichelbergestrange hu?
15:30.59wibbitRalphEichelberge: can you check via nslookup?
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15:31.06jeddy3yes, actually strange...
15:31.10RalphEichelbergesee above
15:31.14RalphEichelbergeyes
15:31.22wibbitahh, gotcha
15:31.26wibbitmissed that
15:31.39wibbitI'm guessing you'll have an nsswitch.conf file
15:31.40RalphEichelbergeanything is missing
15:31.57wibbitwhat does it have on the hosts line?
15:32.02RalphEichelbergeyes
15:32.03wibbitshould be
15:32.08wibbithosts: files dns
15:32.18RalphEichelbergeyes
15:32.43RalphEichelbergedo i need any daemon running?
15:32.52wibbitthis almost certainly won't work, but what happens when you type wget www.honda.com
15:33.07wibbitand is it just honda that is causing the problem or all domains?
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15:33.23RalphEichelbergesame
15:33.39RalphEichelbergeno - just an example
15:34.12RalphEichelbergeeverything works fine with ip's but ipkg-data is with donainnames
15:34.19RalphEichelbergeso i have to set up dns
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15:35.02wibbitand if you type host www.honda.com
15:35.03wibbit?
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15:35.35RalphEichelbergehost?
15:35.39wibbityes
15:35.46wibbithmmm, may be that is not in the neo distro
15:35.59RalphEichelbergehost not found
15:36.15abraxa_Ralph: If all fails you can just hardcode the hosts in /etc/hosts
15:36.17wibbitRalphEichelberge: I was thinking that would be the case.
15:36.42wibbitRalphEichelberge: do you have nscd running?
15:36.51RalphEichelbergelets see
15:37.14RalphEichelbergeno
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15:38.25RalphEichelbergebut nscd dont run on my host eather
15:38.41RalphEichelbergemaybe its called something else?
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15:39.16wibbitnscd isn't that common to be running on single host environments. Mainly used when using nis/ldap etc
15:40.31wibbitRalphEichelberge: the only thing I can think of right now, would be to run an strace, to see if any thing stood out from a ping
15:40.50RalphEichelbergeoh ! did stuff on this page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking
15:41.05orospakrargh, it isn't possible to use the GPS with 2007.2, is it?
15:41.13RalphEichelbergemayby i should stop someting here?
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15:41.22abraxa_orospakr: It is
15:41.30thosRalphEichelberge: did you try nslookup without specifying the nameserver?
15:41.31orospakrabraxa_: ooh, how?
15:42.10orospakrbtw, I just discovered that I have to restart the bind9 process running on my laptop when usb0 comes up, otherwise it won't answer the neo's resolve requests.
15:42.11abraxa_orospakr: http://www.openmoko.org.pl/en/node/55
15:42.16orospakrabraxa_: thanks!
15:43.05RalphEichelbergethos no
15:43.07RalphEichelbergeill try
15:43.20RalphEichelbergenot working
15:43.38wibbitRalphEichelberge: that suggests that there is a problem with /etc/resolv.conf
15:43.52wibbitRalphEichelberge: I would delete the file, and re-write it
15:44.23RalphEichelbergeyes - sorry guys - i found it!
15:44.34RalphEichelbergei misspelled it
15:44.41RalphEichelbergeresolf
15:44.45RalphEichelberge:(
15:45.07RalphEichelbergenow it works -thx for beeing with me
15:45.10RalphEichelberge:)
15:45.29wibbitno problem
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15:45.48RalphEichelbergei am trying to install J2ME on neo now
15:45.58RalphEichelbergesomeone has experince?
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15:52.46orospakrhm. flash-neo-local appears to flash both the rootfs and the kernel. nice.
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15:55.08abraxa_thos: Till what time are you guys usually at work?
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15:55.46Ghiottone|workhello
15:55.52abraxa_Hellos!
15:56.54thosabraxa_: between five and six
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16:01.57abraxa_thos: Ohh, good to know - better chance to discuss stuff with you guys :)
16:03.21jeddy3anyone knows if it's possible to remove menu in midoribrowser?
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16:05.02CIA-23openmoko: 03thomas * r3084 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-contacts.c src/moko-keypad.c):
16:05.02CIA-23openmoko: * src/moko-contacts.c: (moko_contacts_init):
16:05.02CIA-23openmoko: * src/moko-keypad.c: (moko_keypad_set_display_text):
16:05.02CIA-23openmoko: Fix compiler warnings
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16:08.08kristian-mjeddy3 i guess not
16:08.46jeddy3kristian-m, no seems not :|
16:10.07kristian-mjeddy3 it'd be best if it could remove all menues on "toggle fullscreen"
16:10.26jeddy3yeah that'd be great
16:11.59CIA-23openmoko: 03thomas * r3085 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-contacts.c):
16:11.59CIA-23openmoko: Patch by: Roman Moravcik <roman.moravcik@gmail.com>
16:11.59CIA-23openmoko: * src/moko-contacts.c: (moko_contacts_fuzzy_lookup): Fix
16:11.59CIA-23openmoko: for a bug 802, (add_number): Fix accessing of digits array.
16:12.00CMThis might drive some more traffic to OpenMoko again: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Oct-04.html
16:12.29PBeckcounter
16:12.30alorilhttp://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter Got it, get yours from openmoko.com (and read topic)  (1814;252)
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16:19.17nobody96hmm, the next fullstop
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16:19.40nobody96openmoko really has changed over the last months :)
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16:20.11nobody96does anyone know where i get gecho for gentoo ?
16:21.24abraxa_gecho or gecko?
16:21.50nobody96which: no gecho in (/bin:/usr/bin)
16:22.00abraxa_What's gecho?
16:22.08nobody96dont know either
16:22.19nobody96make qemu needs it
16:22.19abraxa_heh
16:22.37nobody96( cd build/qemu && openmoko/flash.sh ../tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01 )
16:22.37nobody96/usr/bin/gmake
16:22.37nobody96which: no gecho in (/bin:/usr/bin)
16:22.37nobody96which: no pngtopnm in (/bin:/usr/bin)
16:22.37nobody96Splash needs 'pngtopnm' and 'ppmtorgb3' - make sure that they're in $PATH.
16:22.38nobody96make: *** [flash-qemu-local] Fehler 255
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16:30.44LarstiQthos: 11 digits for a phone number? (ref #802) Are you sure that's the max?
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16:31.40thosLarstiQ: no, but I believe that's what is used for the searching
16:31.51thosLarstiQ: so i.e. maximum search resolution is 11
16:32.05thosLarstiQ: at least, that's what I have assumed, I didn't look in detail
16:32.06LarstiQthos: mkay
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16:35.46CIA-23openmoko: 03thomas * r3086 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-contacts.c): * src/moko-contacts.c: (moko_contacts_add_contact): Fix a possible crasher
16:35.51nobody96abraxa_, gecho is the windows prog, pngtopnm the linux prog
16:35.58nobody96its working now
16:36.05abraxa_Ahh
16:36.08abraxa_Good to know :)
16:36.50nobody96( cd build/qemu && /sbin/mkdosfs -C -F 32 -v openmoko/openmoko-sd.image 500000 )
16:36.50nobody96/bin/sh: /sbin/mkdosfs: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
16:36.50nobody96make: *** [build/qemu/openmoko/openmoko-sd.image] Fehler 127
16:36.50nobody96josephine openmoko # which mkdosfs
16:36.50nobody96/usr/sbin/mkdosfs
16:36.52nobody96nice :)
16:41.49abraxa_thos: Is Chris still around? If so I would appreciate if he could have a quick look at bug #863
16:42.35CIA-23openmoko: 03thomas * r3087 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-keypad.c): * src/moko-keypad.c: (moko_keypad_init): Remove hard coded padding from keypad
16:44.09thosabraxa_: I poked him
16:44.13abraxa_Thanks :)
16:44.33orospakrhuh, my self-made image with MokoMakefile appears to hang with the progress bar *almost* at the end. :(
16:44.55orospakrand I can't reach it over usb.
16:45.58abraxa_orospakr: Sounds like the gsmd issue...
16:46.09orospakrI can't power it down, either.
16:46.42abraxa_orospakr: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=788
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16:47.06orospakrhm, I had to pull the battery, just like the bug said
16:47.17thosabraxa_: he's going to commit your patch :-)
16:47.30abraxa_thos: Yay!
16:47.53Mekhmm... I hope the order of all the items in the shipment tracking page for my NEO isn't quite correct... In the order the items are listed it goes from .us -> .nl -> .us -> .nl :)
16:48.03Mek(all within a few hours... :P)
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16:48.28LarstiQMek: I've seen that before
16:48.52orospakrabraxa_: I pulled this morning, so I assume the bug is still there?
16:52.20Mekprobably billing info received->arrived in my city will be shorter than arrived in my city->package delivered... unless they plan on delivering it in the middle of the night :P
16:54.34CIA-23openmoko: 03chris * r3088 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (ChangeLog src/today-task-manager.c):
16:54.34CIA-23openmoko: * src/today-task-manager.c:
16:54.34CIA-23openmoko: Fix crashing on closing applications from task manager (hopefully),
16:54.34CIA-23openmoko: thanks to patch from Soeren Apel
16:54.38aloril(script) wiki RecentChanges: [[My_Account/it]] [[Talk:My_Account/it]] [[Talk:MokoMakefile]] [[Group_Order]] [[Main_Page/ee]] [[User:ThomasWood]] [[No_Linux]] [[Widgets]]
16:57.04abraxa_orospakr: Yeah, it's still unresolved cause Harald seems overwhelmed with work :)
16:57.26orospakroh well, I'll put my Neo aside for now and get some work done. :)
16:57.36LarstiQorospakr: back to the X0? :0
16:57.48orospakrsshhh! ;)
16:57.52abraxa_lol...
16:58.02orospakrI haven't forgotten.
16:58.34Vegarhttp://www.jesc.ch/openmoko
16:58.40Vegarjust curious..
16:58.45Vegarwhat is that thing?
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16:59.25orospakruh
16:59.34orospakrthey claim to sell GTA02 units.
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17:00.16mjrthey claim to take pre-orders for GTA02 units
17:00.54Vegarit was linked from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Group_Order
17:00.59mjrI think it was announced on the community-list earlier
17:02.49orospakrah, fair enough.
17:03.26Vegarhttp://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/device-owners/2007-August/000323.html
17:03.31Vegarthere's the mail
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17:03.42guaquai wonder if i should order through switzerland or straight from fic :/
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17:04.38paron_workI just got my neo!
17:04.44paron_worknow... how do I charge the battery?
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17:05.33LarstiQparon_work: connect it to an usb host
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17:05.45paron_workthat easy, eh?
17:05.58paron_workhehe, it booted straight into a kernel panic :D
17:06.16LarstiQparon_work: did you flash a rootfs?
17:06.24orospakrabraxa_: btw, I was seeing the issue on boot, not shutdown.
17:06.27paron_worknope! :D
17:06.36paron_workI just excitedly got it out of the box and assembled it
17:06.43LarstiQparon_work: I recommend reading http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1 and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973
17:06.54orospakrparon_work: it comes with a kernel image, but no rootfs flashed.
17:06.57paron_workLarstiQ: thanks!
17:07.08paron_workthis pen is awesome
17:07.20orospakrfor everything but using the neo. :)
17:10.21paron_workthis is the best thing that's ever happened to me, lol
17:10.45abraxa_orospakr: I saw it on boot, too
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17:17.24abraxa_Actually I was wondering about that myself... the Neo pouch has a pen holder sewed in on the side, however the stylus is way too long to fit...
17:17.43Sup3rkiddoit has =O
17:17.44Sup3rkiddo?
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17:33.14abraxa_For those who wonder what I mean: http://abraxa.dyndns.org:81/random/neo-pouch.jpg - the stylus that comes with the Neo is even longer...
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17:36.53Vegarabraxa_: what's that thing you have connected to your neo?
17:42.14PBeckbye
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17:43.11abraxa_Vegar: Oh, that's just a 2.5mm speaker plug
17:43.38Vegarah, ok
17:44.14fgauconnected to a Bose hifi system :)
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17:45.42abraxa_Something like that, yep ;)
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17:57.15fgauabraxa_; i'm right, you are the developer of mediaplayer?
17:58.08abraxa_fgau: Yup - what's up?
17:59.54fgaugreat, i have one hint. if i add a track to the playlist, i have no response if i click to the file
18:00.24fgaui wish you can add somthing like a checkbox
18:00.40fgauso it's clear, the track is added
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18:01.15fgauwhat do you mean?
18:01.32abraxa_Actually, current SVN does show a "file added" dialog for single files as well but that'll be improved later :)
18:01.54abraxa_Having to click a dialog away for every single file would be too annoying
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18:02.45fgauoh, i'm not uptodate .(
18:03.08abraxa_That's fine, I don't expect anyone to always run SVN HEAD ;)
18:03.34abraxa_Thanks for the hint btw
18:03.36fgauabraxa_: but you have made a nice app !!!
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18:05.01abraxa_Thanks, though it's not as nice as it will be - I just made it usable for now so people have something to play with while I can keep working on it, hehe
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18:07.14abraxa_I'm not sure that'll help
18:09.13fgauwhat must i do to build the new on?
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18:42.14Mekwtf? now my neo that arrived in eindhoven where I live earlier today is listed as "in transit to Koeln, DE"...
18:43.31thomasgMek: don't worry, the states are often completely wrong :)
18:43.36ljpthats better than amazon.com sending books to Austria instead of Australia
18:43.52Mek:)
18:43.53CMhehe
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18:52.03enjahovais anybody working on handwriting recognition for openmoko?
18:52.16enjahovai couldn't find anything on the projects page
18:52.24abraxa_Not that I know of
18:53.26enjahovawhat about language support, namely chinese
18:53.29enjahovais there anywhere i can read about that?
18:53.42ljpqtopia has handwriting recognition
18:54.24cjb_ieljp: did that happen? (amazon, austria)
18:54.26abraxa_Doubtful, though FIC's mobile division does have staff highly specialized on Chinese IMEs
18:54.58aloril(script) wiki RecentChanges: [[MokoMakefile]]
18:56.01enjahovabut, chinese fonts are well supported?
18:56.11ljpcjb_ie: yes. my books went from US->Austria->Australia
18:56.18Writchieenjahova: support for Chinese et al is going to need support for UCS2 -> UTF-8 and a better approach to i18n throughout
18:56.35Writchies/support/sms support/
18:56.43abraxa_enjahova: I'm sure that's being thought about and worked on when they have the time
18:57.35Writchieapps which don't handle i18n and gettext() etc. will not survive the long term
18:57.58Writchiebut right now it's a bit more important to just get the plumbing to work
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18:58.09abraxa_Writchie: Though sadly UTF8 is still a PITA with glib
18:58.36mjrI don't think so
18:58.36Writchiei18n will always be somewhat of a PITA unfortunately
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18:59.13abraxa_mjr: You don't think so about... what?
18:59.14Writchieat least gettext is now lgpl
18:59.35mjrthat the unicode jazz is much of a PITA
19:01.02abraxa_mjr: Well, I think so because tasks that are simple in ASCII become difficult/slow with UTF8 and glib - e.g. extracting a file's file name and/or file extension
19:01.13enjahovahm, i have no experience with this kind of stuff. but i'd really like to get into il8n and chinese<->english interaction
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19:01.47mjrabraxa_, umm, wy's that any more difficult with utf-8?
19:01.55Writchieabraxa_: UTF8 is pretty elegant compared to wide chacters
19:02.04mjrwhy
19:02.28Writchiebecause you don't have to change everything everywhere
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19:02.42Writchieall those strwcpy etc.
19:02.43mjrI don't have a problem with wides, but there are handiness issues with C, yes
19:03.05mjrgenerally higher level languages are goodness in this respect too ;]
19:03.34Writchiemuch better today than a decade ago
19:03.47abraxa_mjr: Cause I need to make sure the string is valid UTF8, then iterate over each and every char - and glib can only do that from front->back, not back->front, etc... so it's a PITA and a performance eater in my opinion
19:04.10enjahovaso does openmoko use utf8? and if i'm developing an app, can i do it all using utf8
19:04.11mjrbut anyway, if that wasn't clear, with utf-8, basename and extension separation goes _exactly_ like in ascii
19:04.12abraxa_True, high-level languages make that easier but they're not exactly suited for embedded systems most of the time
19:04.27enjahovaespecially if it will be dictionary type app, where text gets copy pasted in and out
19:04.56enjahovai think i need to do some basic reading, any suggestions? like, where do i start so i can follow this conversation...
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19:05.05mjrabraxa_, you don't have to use the glib tools for everything, you know
19:05.13abraxa_mjr: What else can I use?
19:05.26mjrabraxa_, _do exactly as you'd do with ASCII_, as I said
19:05.26Writchiethere are some practical issues for openmoko - like how many 'characters' will fit in an SMS message
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19:05.46Writchiewhich depends on the over the air character set.
19:06.06Writchies/set/encoding/
19:06.45mjranyway, validation sure is some overhead when you get an untrusted byte string, but to call such little things performance eaters, pfft
19:06.48abraxa_mjr: But what it the file name contains multibyte chars? Imagine I walk from back to front to find the dot (.) and find one - but it really is just one of the bytes that belongs to a multibyte char... that can get nasty quickly imo
19:07.24mjrabraxa_, read up on UTF-8. All octets in valid UTF-8 that have the highest bit set to 0 are representing ASCII characters.
19:08.07abraxa_Hmm
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19:08.20Writchieenjahova: UTF8 is pretty much defacto now at UI level - everything will be converted to that
19:08.35Writchieenjahova: don't forget right to left issues as well
19:08.40mjrand yeah, enjahova, the toolkits use utf-8 so openmoko does too
19:09.10abraxa_mjr: Maybe it is easier then than I thought... guess I should do more reading indeed ;)
19:09.46enjahovathanks guys, so utf8 is what i'll become familiar with :D
19:09.47mjrindeed; they _have_ thought it through rather well, also wrt. backwards compatibility
19:11.02cjb_ieyeah, i was well impressed when i read the utf-8 manpage
19:11.22abraxa_Makes me wonder why glib makes things so complicated then...
19:11.33mjrhaving it work on POSIX pathnames, utf-8 strings sorted in byte order being also code-point ordered
19:12.04mjrquite nice for stuff drafted on a napkin in a bar
19:12.10abraxa_hehe
19:12.12mjror diner, methinks
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19:12.56Writchiemjr: it was influenced by an early ad-hoc chinese encoding - i forget the name
19:12.59mjr...oh and it's self-synchronizing too
19:13.16Writchiemjr: a derivative of gb
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19:15.37mjrsorry, placemat, http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/utf-8-history.txt
19:15.42cjb_ieoh, and the canonical encoding for any utf-8 char is considered to the only correct one
19:15.58cjb_iethis is to make equality comparison robust
19:16.31mjrThough with comparison, you have to remember to normalize too. As with all Unicode.
19:16.56cjb_ieso if you're worrying about something like SQL injection, say, you only need to check for the byte value of ' and not any other way it might possibly be encoded.
19:17.42mjrlooking for ascii markers is of course trivial, yes
19:18.39cjb_iethough that wasn't in the first rev of utf-8
19:19.02DunedanDoes somebody know what could be wrong when I get the following error message while flashing a qemu-openmoko: "U-boot failed to finish writing in 300 seconds, giving up."?
19:19.13mjrnot sure, I just know that the first rev wasn't self-synchronizing
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19:30.18folkennice.. latest kernels resume out of sleep mode nicley on incomming call.
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19:32.45Writchiefolken: OM or qtopia?
19:33.22woglindewritchie the kernel should be same
19:34.44Writchiei meant what it was testing on - also did the alsa driver resume correctly?
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19:35.58Writchieafter all - PM is presently only problem keeping it from being usable as a phone
19:36.19abraxa_...and gsmd ;)
19:36.37Writchieexcept qtopia doesn't use gsmd
19:37.02abraxa_Qtopia... this is #openmoko ;p
19:37.39ljpopenmoko is also the distribution
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19:37.40Writchieqtopia is fine as a testbed/reference point
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19:40.22zeckeScaredyCat: do you want to get back to my ignore list? or why are you not amused?
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19:40.47folkenWritchie: om
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19:40.58ScaredyCatjust seeing if you're still amused after a couple of slaps
19:40.58Writchietx
19:41.11folkenWritchie: yes the sound level was correct.
19:41.25Writchiekool
19:42.08folkenand no fumbling with the matchbox session
19:45.00enjahovawhats PM
19:45.21Writchiepower management
19:45.25enjahovaoh ok
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20:27.05orospakrsoooo... has that gsm patch been merged yet? ;)
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20:31.11gnuorospakr:  No; "ipkg update && ipkg upgrade" produces no improvement...
20:33.20orospakrgnu: I don't think it would, actually -- the packages in the repository aren't rebuilt every time someone commits.  The only way to do get those changes is actually to rebuild your own image.
20:34.27gnuorospakr:  I would hope that every checkin doesn't immediately dump that change to every end-user.  But I'd also hope that there's somebody pushing stable changes into the repositories -- particularly for the top ten bugs that keep everybody from using the platform!
20:34.50gnuorospakr:  what's the sense of having a repository if it doesn't serve this function?
20:35.08orospakrgnu: yeah, that is exactly my feeling on the subject as well.
20:35.24|Ri put myself in red-pill mode, go there, click install openssh ( http://mg.pov.lt/770/reflash-n800.html ) then open, and it says fails... what kind of newb error am i doing? ;)
20:35.32|Roops sorry, wrong window :P
20:35.41orospakrTo be honest, I haven't entirely figured out the role of the repository in the OE world.
20:35.51orospakrI assume it's not too far different from Debian.
20:36.24gnuStuff does go into it (ipkg upgrade does change things every few days)...
20:37.10orospakrI wonder what the process/policy is for that.
20:37.24gnuNon-working...
20:37.32orospakrHar!
20:38.16gnuorospakr:  Did you get one of the early phones?  I seem to recall you talking about 'em.
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20:40.11orospakrgnu: I got mine yesterday. It took a few months :P
20:40.13gnuI'm trying (yesterday & today) to build my own copy of the sources with MokoMakefile -- what a clusterfrog.  Spends half its time waiting for downloads and the other half maxing out the CPU on compiles.  (Occasionally it overlaps those two.)
20:40.38orospakrMokoMakefile worked out OK for me, except when NetworkManager decided to toast my wireless halfway through the nite and bomb the build.
20:40.53orospakralthough, the code is broken and gsmd hangs the phone on boot. D'oh! :P
20:40.53enjahovaouch
20:40.56enjahovado you really need 12gb?
20:41.04enjahovaive been cleaning my hdd in preperation
20:41.13orospakrenjahova: pretty close
20:41.16gnuI long for the days when you could download the *source tree* of something, disconnect from the net, and build it.
20:41.17enjahovaaltho, ill be doing it on a VM ontop of my macbook... =\
20:41.20orospakr9 GB may be more accurate, with default settings.
20:41.34orospakrgnu: yeah, the problem here is that you're building a big aggregation of software, an entire distro.
20:41.39orospakrfor better or worse...
20:41.40ScaredyCat9gb isn't enough for a full build
20:41.57enjahovais that 9gb of source?
20:42.11SpeedEvilNo
20:42.12gnuWith every Debian, Fedora or Ubuntu ISO I download, I also download the *source ISOs*.  I have this theory that the build process is repeatable.
20:42.19SpeedEvil9gb of source + intermidiate binaries
20:42.22enjahovaoh ok
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20:42.49orospakrgnu: totally.
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20:43.00ScaredyCatorospakr: it is repeatable..
20:43.07orospakryeah, OpenMoko is.
20:43.09ScaredyCatbut only in the same nano second
20:43.16orospakrheh
20:43.27orospakrI was referring to that problem in general.
20:43.45gnuIt's actually quite hard to pin down the build environment needed to rebuild a distro from scratch.
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20:44.17ScaredyCatgnu: the problem is the build tries to grab the latest versions
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20:44.28gnuBest you can probably do is to test it on itself; and on an unpatched commonly available other distro.
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20:44.45gnuScaredyCat:  ...and there's no way to tell it "No, I want Version XXX"?
20:45.02enjahovaso if i want to do app development, quickest path is to go with MokoMakeFile right?
20:45.09ScaredyCatthere is, but there are so many files
20:45.21gnuScaredyCat:  I keep seeing people complaining "the build has been broken for 10 days".  They can't just build the one from 10 days ago, and make their patches there, then port 'em forward?
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20:45.48gnuScaredyCat:  so how do you specify a version?
20:45.50ScaredyCatyou can't just change 1 rev no and do it
20:45.57ScaredyCatsrcrev
20:46.07ScaredyCatin the .bb files
20:46.27ScaredyCatbut then of course there's the conflicting svn stuff too...
20:46.28sagacisI'm seeing problems getting the initial build going.  I fail to download some project...
20:46.32ScaredyCatlots of fun
20:46.55sagacisIs there some way to tar up a complete snapshot and host it on a reliable server to retrieve with ftp?
20:47.04gnuenjahova:  That's the rumor.  I'm trying it out now.  See the wiki page on MokoMakefile -- and patch it if it doesn't work for you.
20:47.07ScaredyCatgenerally builds go ok, it's just the build environment can be a little sensitive to people not testing their patches
20:47.28enjahovagnu, thanks, i'm going to try when i get home :)
20:47.42enjahovabuild environment?
20:48.03ScaredyCatoe
20:48.04orospakrSomehow, I don't like the idea that OE appears to not be a centralised distro, like debian.  Each OE-using project has different revs of everything.
20:48.12gnuHe means the "source code"...  :-)
20:48.23enjahovaand forgive my noobness, whats OE?
20:48.30SpeedEvilOpenEmbedded
20:48.31ScaredyCatopenembedded
20:48.40SpeedEvilthe build system used to build the image from the source
20:48.48enjahovathats like the OS?
20:48.56SpeedEvilno
20:48.56ScaredyCatit's a very good idea... but i'm not 100% convinced about the execution...
20:49.10ScaredyCatbut then, we are using oe dev..
20:49.17ScaredyCatwhich is a little insane
20:49.17SpeedEvilit's like what's used to put the OS together from hundreds of programs from various sources.
20:49.28enjahovaoh ok
20:49.32enjahovathat makes some sense
20:49.59ScaredyCatit's a steep learning curve
20:50.07Writchielike a cliff
20:50.29ScaredyCatlol
20:50.49ScaredyCatsome of the docs aren't very helpful either..
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20:50.59ScaredyCat"we haven't written this bit yet"
20:51.19Writchiebut every question gets answered with RTFM
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20:51.45enjahovawell you guys seem helpful enough so far :D
20:51.45ScaredyCataye tis true, or a cryptic reply...
20:52.04ScaredyCatbut there are days, even weeks when the build works fine
20:52.29Writchiespeaking of docs - dbus isn't much better nor even glib/gtk for that matter
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20:53.10ScaredyCatI've never understood that weird layout stuff with gtk
20:54.23ScaredyCatfor your first build.. you're going to need 7 hours or so
20:54.50Writchiea bottle of single malt also helps!
20:55.08ScaredyCatonly the first half helps
20:55.17ScaredyCatthe 2nd half gets in the way ;)
20:55.17aloril(script) wiki RecentChanges: [[SMSTool]] [[PyPenNotes]]
20:55.38Writchieyou need to find the right spot on the balmer curve
20:56.00Writchiehttp://xkcd.com/323/
20:56.26fgauWritchie: lol
20:56.31sagacisScaredyCat: You should be reaching the Ballmer peak!
20:56.40sagacisHey, I type too slow
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20:56.59sagacisI could use some Ballmer Curve assistance.....
20:57.50DukeOfURLProblem with Balmer peak is no WiFi at the pubs...
20:58.09ScaredyCatyou go to the wrong pubs then :)
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21:04.49emdetesagacis: how that?
21:05.04sagacis:D
21:05.21sagacisI want to use my neo, and keep running into problems.  
21:05.30emdetegivit to me, i pay for the neo also ;)
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21:06.19emdetemwester: i see it gets more & more important to get 3d graph accel on the neo
21:06.20wwpaging roh
21:06.29ScaredyCat:P
21:06.52wwwhois roh
21:06.57wwerrm...
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21:14.12orospakrhm, how would I go about using the hardware flow control patch with MokoMakefile?
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21:21.55mwesterorospakr:  Don't worry about that patch if you are just trying to get a recent image built, there are work-arounds that avoid the problem already in place in the recent images.
21:22.40orospakrmwester, I don't suppose I could do one of those workarounds with MokoMakefile?
21:23.02Kerowhat are working webbrowsers on openmoko?
21:23.02mwesterThe workarounds are already commited, so just build with MokoMakefile, and you'll have them.
21:23.32ar0x~seen LaF0rge
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21:23.46orospakrmwester, I just updated and build about 15 minutes ago, and there's no change.
21:23.50orospakrs/build/built/
21:24.17mwesterOk, do you have a line in your /etc/init.d/gsmd file that reads something like "stty -F $GSMDEV -echo" ?
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21:24.44orospakrmwester, I wonder where that is in the source tree
21:24.57mwesterIt would be in the image that you built
21:25.48fgauKero: try midori or openmoko-browser2
21:25.49orospakrmwester, excuse the silly questions, but how should I modify it? I've never heard of loopback mounting a jffs2 image before...
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21:26.39mwesterbuild/tmp/rootfs is a copy of what will end up on your Neo if you flash the image -- so no loopback mounting is required.  Just cd to that location, and poke about.  But treat it as a read-only location, if you make changes, they will be overwritten and won't end up in the image.
21:26.55mwesterBut that's a great way to see what will be in the image, without flashing the image.
21:26.56Keroand  what's this Origyn Web Browser (OWB) that's mentioned at linuxdevices ?
21:27.09zeckewhat mickeyl's job description again?
21:27.12kristian-morospakr it can be written to a ramdrive somehow
21:27.45zeckeKero: it is a WebKit fork by sand-labs (iirc) and they implement the WebCore porting layer as a porting layer
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21:28.31kristian-morospakr http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image#Mounting_the_JFFS2_image_on_a_loop_back_.28MTD_RAM.29_device
21:28.34orospakrmwester, http://pastie.caboo.se/103893
21:29.04orospakrit looks like the workaround is already there.
21:29.11orospakrperhaps my hang issue is a different bug entirely.
21:29.22mwesterorospakr:  Yes, you have the gsmd startup script there that "tiptoes" around the flow-control problem.
21:29.27orospakrHow can I disable the splash logo?
21:29.42mwesterPut "psplash=false" on the boot args command line.
21:30.00Kerozecke: neither "fork" nor "sand-labs" mentioned in that article. and they do have a Neo screenshot :)
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21:31.02orospakrhm, how is that done without a keyboard-equipped bootloader?
21:31.02Keroit's also factually wrong, midori uses webkit, too, no?
21:31.25mwesterorospakr:  USB cable to a host
21:31.31daMaestroso yeah.. in the latest "official" build.. dialer blows up on me
21:31.33zeckeKero: it can use webkit, and the author of midori hangs around in #webkit
21:31.33orospakrah, right.
21:31.45daMaestroi've not done an update yet (will do so later)
21:31.48Kero(tho that doesn't tell which one of the two was first)
21:32.30mwesterdaMaestro:  I perceive that it's all become a bit unstable recently.  Probably a good thing after such a long quiet spell, it means that development is happening somewhere.
21:32.51daMaestroyeah, i know
21:32.57daMaestrowas just casually reporting my results
21:33.38mwesterI have a build started, I'll see if it works for me.  What's the failure?
21:34.14sagacisI have a very fresh build just completed.
21:34.26mwesterhot out of the oven, then...
21:34.43mwesterbut your neo is not behaving, or is it your host?
21:35.27sagacismwester I'm not sure yet.
21:37.02sagacismwester I built from a clean directory.  All new get.  I'll try that one.  Maybe I'll try qemu first....
21:39.44sagacisHave we tried "make flash-neo-rootfs-local" before?
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21:51.41orospakrhm, I think the default serial settings are wrong in the USB console; typing stuff too fast makes characters come up wrong or not at all, etc.
21:52.16sagacisHey, my build booted!
21:52.30orospakrcongrats!
21:52.58sagacisNow, can I add my neod patch to the build and still boot?  I'll have to try after helping my mother-in-law cut tile.
21:53.23sagacis|cutting_grrr
21:54.07sagaciswhatever
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21:55.52Kerosomething is spitting out crap again (on Neo console) after I did some stuff with libgsmd by hand a few days ago. Time for a new image!
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22:05.56orospakryeah, there is definitely something wrong with the console over USB; characters and lines in both directions are getting dropped.
22:07.51sagacisorospakr: I've always seen that, but not when I first connect.
22:08.02orospakrit happens pretty soon.
22:08.03sagacisIt's after I type soemthing or printenv.  I'm not sure what the trigger is.
22:08.13orospakrwhat's the quickest way to append something to the boot args?
22:08.44sagacisorospakr: careful, slow typing.
22:09.05sagaciswhenever I try cut/paste or something similar, I get dropped characters.
22:09.15sagacisI just type each character slowly in a new connection.
22:09.33Kerosomething is stil fscked with `make *qemu`
22:12.15sagacisKero: Does it still give you the old image?
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22:13.20Kerosagacis: did that, since the flash.sh script figures the wrong image from the set. Removing the old ones helped.
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22:13.46orospakraha!
22:13.56orospakrthe problem was that X itself was broken.
22:14.15Kerosagacis: but it fails on flash-qemu-local and when I get impatient and kill it,, there's still qemus running. See any subsequent attempt die in weird ways :)
22:14.27orospakrno server '/usr/bin/Xipaq'. my question is, why the heck is xinit set to Xipaq?!
22:14.30sagacisAh.  Not great
22:14.30Kerofresh image refuses to launch X.
22:14.37yoyoI have little problem :/ my moko is too lasy to charge its own battery :/ why?
22:14.42orospakrKero, yeah, that's what I'm seeing.
22:14.43sagacisI used qemu manually when I was at that stage.
22:14.46Keroorospakr: iPAQ ?
22:14.56sagacisNow, I'm converting to the commit w/o testing metaphor used so often on openmoko
22:15.14sagacisyoyo: Welcome to neo ownership
22:15.19Kerothere's an iPAQ on my desk here (Switched off for ages)
22:15.21orospakrKero: X not starting because xinit thinks the Neo is an Ipaq.
22:15.26orospakriPAQ. :P
22:15.46yoyosagacis: i have moko ~2 mounts  :)
22:16.14Keroorospakr: so, does the Neo have an identity crisis, or is OE being obnoxious?
22:17.37orospakrKero: is yours trying to start xipaq as well?
22:17.59DukeOfURLwould there be a method to perform the ipkg commands into build/tmp/rootfs before flashing the Neo?
22:18.05orospakrthis is a fresh build, done with MokoMakefile, from this morning, with no customisations, so I *assume* it's nothing I've done.
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22:19.05Keroorospakr: no idea. would have to setup usb stuff for it. lemme see if my laptop-kernel has the gadgetfs stuff around...
22:19.22orospakrKero: if you have a stock distro, then you should.
22:19.52Keroorospakr: for soem reason, debian unstable doesn't :)  So had to compile myself.
22:20.03Keroit's there, atm
22:20.11orospakrKero, weird.
22:20.16orospakrI guess Ubuntu adds it.
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22:20.55mwesterDukeOfURL:  that's what the oe tasks does -- just add your ipkgs to that file, bump the PR, and rebuild.
22:21.14orospakrhuh, what actually starts the X server?
22:21.21orospakrI can't figure out where the bad config even is.
22:21.41orospakrargh, stupid busybox grep has no -r
22:21.55woglinde_oros och
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22:22.36woglinde_oros in /etc/init.d/ you dont need -r
22:22.43orospakryeah, I know
22:22.51orospakrOK, weird: /usr/bin/Xfbdev is a directory.
22:22.54orospakran empty directory.
22:22.56orospakralso:
22:23.03orospakrroot@(none):/etc/X11$ grep -i xipaq *
22:23.03orospakrXserver:XSERVER=/usr/bin/Xipaq
22:23.16orospakrboth of those things are mighty suspect. :P
22:23.26woglinde_hm yes
22:23.56orospakroh, btw
22:23.56mwesterThe x startup file has a number of conditionals, so the XSERVER=/usr/bin/Xipaq is probably ok.
22:24.07mwesterBut the file being a directory is very bad.
22:24.23orospakrwhat is the significance of "Angstrom"?
22:24.28mwesterCan you see if it is also a directory in your rootfs in your OE build envionment?
22:24.46mwesterbuild/tmp/rootfs/usr/bin/Xfbdev
22:24.49orospakrI'm seeing a lot of stuff refer to it, and the welcome text displayed by on the VT is a big "Angstrom" in ASCII art.
22:24.58mwester(Angstrom is the distro name)
22:25.24orospakrno, actually! It's an ELF executable.
22:25.25Kerowhat was that key-combo to switch to qemu monitor?
22:25.36orospakrfor ARM, of course.
22:25.41orospakrI wonder what turned it into a directory...
22:25.51mwesterorospakr:  But it's a directory on the neo after you flashed it?
22:25.54orospakryup!
22:25.59mwesterSigh.  
22:26.00orospakrweird eh?
22:26.01woglinde_hm
22:26.08woglinde_didnt you erase the flash?
22:26.13mwesterYes, and a bugger to fix.  I thought we nailed that problem.
22:26.19woglinde_maybee thats a problem
22:26.38mwesterAre you running 64-bit distro?
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22:26.50orospakrI used the MokoMakefile flash-neo-local target.
22:26.57orospakrmwester, no.
22:27.06orospakrUbuntu Gutsy, x86.
22:27.21mwesterGutsy... that's fairly new, then.
22:27.25orospakryes.
22:27.33sagacismwester Others are building on Gusty OK, I think.
22:27.46sagaciss/Gusty/Gutsy
22:28.16mwesterAnyway,this is almost certainly a problem that has plagued certain special individuals (selected by the gods at random, it seems), and is a result of the "fakeroot-native" package misbehaving.
22:28.18yoyook no voltage in battery no problem :/ and another ~10 HH of waiting :/
22:28.22yoyosi ja
22:29.14orospakrmwester: dang. any other info I should provide you with?
22:29.14mwesterCan you find the specific directory name of your fakeroot-native, down in build/tmp/work/*/*fakeroot* ?
22:29.58orospakrhttp://pastie.caboo.se/103911
22:30.36mwesterOk...
22:32.13sagacisYay! My patch doesn't break the rootfs!  I just have a broken build directory.
22:33.41orospakrmwester, anything else?
22:33.50orospakrI have to run off in a few minutes, but I'll be back before too long.
22:34.09mwesterAlas, no.  If I think of anything, I'll let you know :(
22:34.31orospakrthanks. :)
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22:36.44sagaciswith mild success, I'm outta here for a bit
22:41.06Kerook, I give up. There's CONFIG_GADGEFS 1 in config-host.h, but qemu does not have gadgetfs.
22:42.22Kerogot a borked image on my Neo, will try the image on the Neo tomorrow.
22:45.25Kerowill be travelling, tho, news on Tue only ;)
22:46.58CoreDump|homehey
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22:54.58aloril(script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Kero]]
22:55.05Mekah, my neo is back from germany to the netherlands, and "now in transit for delivery" :)
22:57.39CoreDump|homeso December it is for GTA02...yummy
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23:00.31paroneayeawebsite says to get "openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-2007********.rootfs.jffs2"... I'm assuming http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01.jffs2 is equivalent?
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23:23.53orospakrmwester, so, any ideas?
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23:25.01sagacisAnybody here know gconf?
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23:44.01sagacisHow do I submit a patch for .bb files?
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23:44.57CoreDump|homesagacis: attach the diff to the oe bug tracker
23:45.14sagacisNo but.  New functionality.
23:45.19sagaciss/bug/bug/
23:45.21CoreDump|homeerr
23:45.33sagacisslow bot
23:45.38CoreDump|homewell, OE or OM bugtracker ;)
23:46.29sagacisI want to add steps to the postinstall for openmoko2, which is where gconf is initialized
23:46.57CoreDump|homeOM bugtracker then
23:47.00mwesterorospakr: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=366067
23:47.17mwesterLooks to me like nobody has figured this problem out, and it seems to affect more than just OE.
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23:48.04orospakr_mwester, I can't find a bug on the tracker, although I did see mention of a problem with "fakeroot-native or x86_64" causing build issues in an #oe IRC log somewhere.
23:48.04paroneayeain what releases is the dialer known to work?
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23:49.29mwesterorospakr_: the original bug was in the OE bug database, and was resolved by upgrading to the 1.8 version of fakeroot.  Since then there have been no *identified* problems, so you are probably the first to encounter this failure with OM.
23:49.46thomasgparoneayea: I did a update before 3-4 hours and it works fine
23:50.00orospakr_mwester, have you heard of a "files become directories" issue specifically before?
23:50.06thomasgit's the first time it works for me
23:50.15mwesterSo, open a new bug report in the OM database -- that won't get it fixed, of course, but it might help others identify the issue when they encounter it.
23:50.25orospakr_hm, fair enough
23:50.25sagacisparoneayea: I'm about to try the dialer on a new build.
23:50.31mwesterorospakr_: yes, that's what I'm trying to tell you -- we have seen this before.
23:50.39orospakr_I just wanted to scare up any known info first before filing.
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23:50.55mwesterorospakr_: did you read the debian bug report that I posted the URL for?
23:51.02orospakr_mwester, I may have missed it
23:51.06sagacisGotta remember to remove the battery panel applet
23:51.19orospakr_sagacis: what's wrong with the battery panel applet?
23:51.22mwesterorospakr: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=366067
23:51.48sagacisMaybe it should be fixed, but before that was crashing the gsmd for some reason.
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23:52.24mwesterorospakr_: here's another one - same problem, slightly different symptoms.
23:52.39sagacisorospakr: Sorry, I mean crashing the panel applet.
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23:52.52mwesterOne of the OE folks tracked it down to the internal cache in fakeroot getting corrupted, but nobody knows why.
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23:53.52mwesterhttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425007    <--- yet another report of this problem.
23:54.20mwesterIt sure would be nice if someone had a solution for the problem instead of just lots of bug reports for it... :(
23:54.25cesarborospakr: if you didn't do "nand erase rootfs" (or flash the august snapshot uboot or a more recent uboot) before reflashing the rootfs, you will get filesystem corruption on the neo
23:55.10cesarborospakr: and having to type s l o w l y on the uboot usb console is a bug which has already been fixed in recent uboots (more recent than the august snapshot one, around the time the gsm passthrough was commited)
23:57.55orospakr_which uboot do you suggest?
23:58.13orospakr_btw, I didn't see any errors in the ring buffer which would suggest filesystem corruption, unless it is silent
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