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| 01:19.39 | Bish | <3 |
| 01:19.47 | josch | what ipkg repository do I need for perl? is there a repo that automagically combines a lot of others into one? |
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| 01:24.07 | Bish | when will openmoko start? |
| 01:24.51 | cjb_ie | openmoko is the software, neo1973 is the hardware |
| 01:25.15 | Bish | .. yeah exact like evry linuxuser.. |
| 01:25.24 | Bish | okaay. when will the phase 2 of neo1973 start? |
| 01:25.30 | SpeedEvil | Dec |
| 01:25.45 | Bish | thats quite cool , as present |
| 01:25.48 | Bish | <3 |
| 01:25.52 | Bish | thank u |
| 01:25.58 | josch | what ipkg repository do I need for perl? is there a repo that automagically combines a lot of others into one? |
| 01:26.16 | josch | sry for double posting... :-/ |
| 01:27.21 | josch | i tried the repos of ScaredyCat and Marcel_M and searched the others but I couldn't find perl |
| 01:27.21 | Bish | sorry for posting nonsense |
| 01:28.41 | cjb_ie | Bish: it's okay, we're used to it :) |
| 01:31.35 | Bish | i believe that :D |
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| 01:31.43 | Bish | i just want to have this freakin genius linux phone ! |
| 01:33.00 | Bish | i even dont have 600 usd .. but i will rob a bank or somethin |
| 01:33.31 | Bish | exec genlop -c |
| 01:33.43 | Mek | if you just want to have it, you certainly won't need the aadvaced kit, so you'd only need 450 usd :P |
| 01:34.09 | Bish | yeah but i already see me with broken uboot |
| 01:34.28 | Bish | so i need the advanced kit :D , and i want to code, for sure |
| 01:34.55 | Mek | with the GTA02 I think you won't really need the debug board even to reflash uboot I think... |
| 01:34.56 | Bish | ok, thats no argument |
| 01:35.16 | Bish | for what exactly i will need the advanced kit? |
| 01:35.25 | cjb_ie | and there's people with debug boards that will debrick phones on request anyway |
| 01:35.26 | Bish | and what about the great openmoko bag? |
| 01:35.36 | Bish | cjb_ie: for money, yay |
| 01:35.38 | cjb_ie | UPS both ways and you have it back in a couple of days |
| 01:35.52 | Mek | with the GTA01 (the current version) you need it if you break uboot, but the GTA02 will have some built in recovery stuff I think... |
| 01:35.55 | Bish | what will it cost to ship a gta02 to germany :D |
| 01:35.58 | cjb_ie | Bish: not necessarily |
| 01:36.09 | Mek | so you'd only need the debug board to do some pretty low level debugging/hacking |
| 01:36.39 | Bish | hm , i would like to learn asm so i dont know if i will need it |
| 01:42.21 | Bish | yeah u got me know i will buy the standard package |
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| 02:19.45 | sagacis|work | ATT SUCKS! |
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| 02:40.43 | borg_ | http://blog.janik.cz//images/OOXMLSpec.png |
| 02:40.56 | borg_ | thats the ooxml specification printed |
| 02:41.00 | borg_ | (each of this books) |
| 02:41.01 | borg_ | omg |
| 02:42.41 | Mek | hmm... that must be some thin paper.... the version a friend of my got was 40cm.... |
| 02:42.49 | borg_ | :D |
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| 02:51.36 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
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| 03:06.11 | weez | whats the best place to pull recent build snapshots? |
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| 03:29.20 | sagacis | weez, you never got an answer? The wiki has a page about testing snapshots. You can use buildhost, but I've been building my own from source. |
| 03:31.47 | mwester | The problem is that it's been so many weeks since the last official snapshot that we've all forgotten when and where to get it. |
| 03:32.03 | sagacis | heh |
| 03:32.15 | sagacis | I'm gonna flash my u-boot now. |
| 03:32.32 | mwester | Sure been quiet here... |
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| 03:34.26 | mwester | sagacis: do you have the debug board? |
| 03:34.33 | sagacis | Nope. It worked, tho |
| 03:34.45 | mwester | livin' on the edge, huh? |
| 03:34.45 | sagacis | I guess. It rebooted ok |
| 03:34.50 | sagacis | Something like it |
| 03:35.09 | sagacis | I can't boot any of the rootfses I make. |
| 03:35.24 | sagacis | The boot process hangs right before the status bar completes. |
| 03:35.54 | mwester | add "psplash=false" to the boot arguments so you can see what's going on. |
| 03:36.05 | mwester | are you including the kernel patch on bug 788? |
| 03:36.35 | sagacis | I had it. Now I've tried with the raw data from make update |
| 03:36.38 | mwester | If so, that one will cause problems if you *also* have the console disabled in the boot arguments. |
| 03:37.00 | sagacis | I'll try the psplash before laying down qtopia |
| 03:37.04 | mwester | I've fixed it so it can handle that case as well, but I've not updated the bug with the new patch. I should do that... |
| 03:39.12 | sagacis | Yeah, I tried it both ways. It's a different lockup, tho, and I don't think I have the patch |
| 03:40.06 | sagacis | ouch. Wrong data crc |
| 03:40.11 | weez | sagacis: thanks, i will check the wiki |
| 03:40.30 | weez | sagacis: I seem to recall before someone in the channel who had daily builds as well.. |
| 03:40.33 | mwester | sagacis: have you been doing the "nand erase rootfs" dance? |
| 03:40.43 | sagacis | "JFFS2 notice: (822) check_node_data:wrong data CRC in data node ...." |
| 03:40.57 | sagacis | mwester: yes |
| 03:41.04 | mwester | Hmmm... |
| 03:41.04 | sagacis | weez, scaredycat |
| 03:41.21 | sagacis | something like buildhost.openmoko.it |
| 03:41.55 | sagacis | mwester: I reflashed because I couldn't ipkg upgrade any more. I got failed MD5sums. |
| 03:42.01 | sagacis | Did I download a new processor? |
| 03:42.13 | sagacis | Maybe I'm little-endian now? |
| 03:42.38 | cesarb | sagacis: sheesh, are you sure your box is reliable? you are having way too many random failures... memtest86? |
| 03:42.51 | sagacis | That would suck. |
| 03:43.04 | sagacis | I can't run memtest on it if I can't boot it. :( |
| 03:43.13 | sagacis | Oh, you mean my host? |
| 03:43.16 | cesarb | sagacis: I mean your PC |
| 03:43.19 | cesarb | sagacis: yup |
| 03:43.26 | sagacis | I'll give it a shot. It's only a few months old. |
| 03:43.34 | cesarb | sagacis: 'cause if it's flippin' some of the bits, it can explain a lot. |
| 03:43.51 | sagacis | True, true. |
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| 03:44.15 | sagacis | I'll install qtopia (to get at the /opt/*), then try flashing a snapshot tomorrow. |
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| 03:44.58 | sagacis | I could try a different machine, but this is the only meaty Linux box I have. |
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| 03:51.22 | mwester | The only down-side is that it happens to be a full-size Dell keyboard... |
| 03:55.42 | cesarb | mwester: you could add some straps and sling it over your shoulder... and type as if you were playing a guitar ;-) |
| 03:56.05 | sagacis | "keyboard hero!" |
| 03:58.57 | sagacis | At least my device seems to be working. I'll carry the qtopia image tomorrow and try a snapshot tomorrow evening. |
| 03:59.04 | sagacis | Now, I must be off to bed. |
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| 04:29.51 | gcb77 | mtdram rocks... you can take any jffs2 image and make a tar.gz from it. No more flashing! |
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| 04:45.15 | atul | hi |
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| 06:34.00 | Any_Key | morning all |
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| 06:40.21 | Ralph | ein schönen guten Morgen |
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| 06:40.39 | Ralph | gibt es was neues ? |
| 06:40.46 | Clint | nix |
| 06:40.59 | Ralph | ok |
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| 07:05.47 | Ralph | wow ist ja die hölle los hier :) |
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| 07:12.49 | CM | Ist es? :P |
| 07:13.16 | cjb_ie | yeah, crazy parting all night long in this channel every night |
| 07:13.24 | cjb_ie | *partying |
| 07:13.31 | cjb_ie | but maybe parting works better. hmm. |
| 07:14.20 | fgau | Ralph: hoelle, hoelle, hoelle ... |
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| 07:25.55 | Ralph | allright - how can i just rebuild my gsmd? |
| 07:26.06 | Ralph | there is a make clean-package right? |
| 07:26.50 | Ralph | dumm gefragt? |
| 07:28.10 | Ralph | well - i found it :) its make clean-package-gsm |
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| 07:29.29 | Ralph | :D |
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| 07:30.44 | Ralp1 | ERROR: No providers of build target gsm (for []) |
| 07:30.44 | Ralp1 | make: *** [clean-package-gsm] Fehler 1 |
| 07:30.46 | CM | Or just bitbake -c rebuild gsmd |
| 07:31.07 | CM | cd build first, then source ../setup_env |
| 07:31.08 | Ralp1 | ralph@xeon2:~/moko$ bitbake -c rebuild gsmd |
| 07:31.08 | Ralp1 | bash: bitbake: command not found |
| 07:33.00 | Ralp1 | source ../setup-env |
| 07:33.06 | Ralp1 | THX CM!!! |
| 07:33.49 | CM | Sorry for the _ ;) |
| 07:34.12 | Ralph | does make update "rm" something first? |
| 07:34.34 | Ralph | because it coundt find some sources after i interrupted update |
| 07:34.46 | CM | Don't really know.. Have you modified something in the tree? |
| 07:35.44 | Ralp1 | tar: /home/ralph/moko20071001/sources/gsm_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target_2957_.tar.gz: Kann open nicht ausführen: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 07:35.44 | Ralp1 | t |
| 07:36.20 | CM | Hmm.. It shouldn't remove files, doesn't do that for me at least |
| 07:36.38 | Ralp1 | that is strange |
| 07:36.54 | CM | Maye unable to checkout that file from svn or so |
| 07:36.58 | CM | Maybe |
| 07:37.05 | Ralp1 | i only added that line for the paches |
| 07:39.15 | Ralp1 | ralph@xeon2:~/moko/build$ ls /home/ralph/moko/sources/gsm_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target_2957_.tar.gz.* |
| 07:39.15 | Ralp1 | /home/ralph/moko/sources/gsm_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target_2957_.tar.gz.lock |
| 07:39.15 | Ralp1 | /home/ralph/moko/sources/gsm_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target_2957_.tar.gz.md5 |
| 07:39.25 | Ralp1 | ...lock???? |
| 07:39.46 | CM | Move those files somewhere and see what happens |
| 07:39.53 | Ralp1 | ill remove it |
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| 07:41.43 | Ralp1 | well it got stuck - i removed them and now it just took it from the web again :) - but - what about my patches? |
| 07:42.32 | Ralp1 | did it do that .lock because i changed something in the sources? |
| 07:42.45 | Ralp1 | that would be a good thing though |
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| 07:51.28 | mbuf | how do i change the the project status phases in projects.openmoko.org for a project? |
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| 07:54.39 | mbuf | ok, it is in Group Trove organization |
| 07:58.01 | mbuf | what do you guys use as a stand to hold the Neo1973 phone? |
| 08:00.02 | XorA|gone | mbuf: a desk :-D |
| 08:00.36 | Ralp1 | ARRRR! |
| 08:00.39 | Ralp1 | ralph@xeon2:~/moko/openmoko/trunk/src/target/gsm$ QUILT_PATCHES=/moko/openmoko/trunk/src/target/gsm$ quilt push -a |
| 08:00.40 | Ralp1 | Keine Patches in der series-Datei |
| 08:00.47 | Ralp1 | help! |
| 08:01.17 | Ralp1 | how to f.kn patch that gsmd? |
| 08:01.43 | Ralp1 | maybe i am faster doing it manually :( |
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| 08:25.29 | PBeck | hi |
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| 08:26.47 | ScaredyCat | gah! |
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| 08:29.20 | Ghiottone|work | good morning all |
| 08:29.21 | Ghiottone|work | what news? |
| 08:29.54 | ScaredyCat | I really love it when stuff gets changed in oe so that it doesn't actually work.... |
| 08:30.48 | XorA | ScaredyCat: what doesnt work? |
| 08:30.55 | ScaredyCat | fontconfig |
| 08:30.59 | XorA | ScaredyCat: thos promised those svn revs I used yesterday did work |
| 08:31.15 | XorA | ScaredyCat: define not work? |
| 08:31.28 | ScaredyCat | yeah, and the government promised me no more taxes |
| 08:31.53 | ScaredyCat | NOTE: package fontconfig-2.4.1-r1: task do_fetch: started |
| 08:31.53 | ScaredyCat | sh: oe_sha256sum: command not found |
| 08:31.53 | ScaredyCat | NOTE: The SHA256 Sums do not match. Wanted: '13f59a7cd5190983412689495c399444cf73c1ced0813149e4480c8848bb9f17' Got: '' |
| 08:31.53 | ScaredyCat | NOTE: Task failed: Checksum of 'http://fontconfig.org/release/fontconfig-2.4.1.tar.gz' failed |
| 08:32.11 | ScaredyCat | oe_sha256sum appears to be ... or not be |
| 08:33.01 | XorA | tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/bin/oe_sha256sum |
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| 08:34.45 | ScaredyCat | sorry |
| 08:34.51 | ScaredyCat | user error... |
| 08:34.54 | XorA | :-D |
| 08:34.59 | ScaredyCat | ssh'd into wrong box |
| 08:35.21 | CM | Bah, pepkac |
| 08:35.33 | jorgenpt | pepcak? |
| 08:36.01 | CM | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebkac |
| 08:36.12 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 08:36.20 | ScaredyCat | or wetware interface error |
| 08:36.29 | jorgenpt | There's no "pepcak" there |
| 08:36.33 | CM | Aka ID10T error |
| 08:36.41 | ScaredyCat | peBkac |
| 08:37.06 | jorgenpt | I know of pebkac, but CM corrected (?) himself to pepkac. ;P |
| 08:37.14 | jorgenpt | I bought www.id10t.no ;P |
| 08:37.19 | CM | Hehe |
| 08:37.24 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 08:37.45 | jorgenpt | ph34r my webdesign skills. :o |
| 08:38.01 | jorgenpt | (brb) |
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| 08:52.08 | ScaredyCat | oh.no |
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| 09:14.54 | matsimoto | Hi, some MokoMakefile experts online ?? |
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| 09:20.14 | josch | i created a personal ipkg repo and successfully installed a few packages but on one it constantly throws an error "package perl-module-strict md5sum mismatch" I tried to do make clean-package-perl and then make build-package-perl again but it stayed the same. when i download the package manually I get the error "ipkg: invalid magic" any ideas? |
| 09:21.22 | blindcoder | moin |
| 09:25.31 | CM | matsimoto: Generally, just ask, or show a pastebin with the problem. Someone will come along and see it, if not, ask again a while later :) |
| 09:27.11 | matsimoto | Ok, I have a problem building openmoko webkit-gtk-0.0+svnr25808-r1 it dies with error .../lib/libicui18n.so: undefined reference to `operator delete(void*)@GLIBCXX_3.4' |
| 09:27.29 | matsimoto | I rebuilded glibc but this doesnt help |
| 09:27.33 | CM | matsimoto: I had that problem too |
| 09:27.45 | CM | For me it was a problem building icu |
| 09:28.08 | matsimoto | do you have a workaround for this ? |
| 09:28.28 | CM | I did the stupid solution and just rebuild everything |
| 09:28.39 | CM | But since you've already rebuilt glibc |
| 09:28.44 | CM | Try rebuilding icu |
| 09:28.55 | CM | Then webkit-gtk again |
| 09:29.15 | matsimoto | hmm, ok thanks I will try this. |
| 09:30.37 | matsimoto | if it does not work I will follow the stupid solution ;) |
| 09:31.12 | CM | Hehe, it's timeconsuming, but if you just leave it on over night it doesn't matter much |
| 09:31.50 | matsimoto | yepp, I will go to work today and my pc at home will work too. :) |
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| 09:49.06 | linux-bastler | hello |
| 09:50.21 | linux-bastler | do anybody know, if the Neo1973 shipping on 25th December is also available in germany? |
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| 09:51.37 | linux-bastler | And do anybody know what shipping prices and duties I have to pay in Germany? |
| 09:51.37 | viq | linux-bastler: it's available in Taiwan, and international orders, from what I know. |
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| 09:54.14 | mbuf | lsog | grep tty doesn't show gsmd running; how to start gsmd? (using OM2007.2) |
| 09:54.35 | emdete | `/etc/init.d/gsmd start` |
| 09:56.20 | mbuf | emdete, thanks |
| 09:56.22 | emdete | linux-bastler: what do you mean with 'shipping on 25th December'? gta02? |
| 09:57.21 | linux-bastler | yes |
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| 09:57.46 | emdete | linux-bastler: where did u read that it will be avaiable on 25th dec? |
| 09:58.20 | gordonsyme | emdete: I think someone put Christmas day in the wiki somewhere as a joke... (wasn't me) |
| 09:58.35 | emdete | gordonsyme: seems so... |
| 09:58.51 | emdete | gordonsyme: hopefully delivery is fast enough... |
| 09:58.55 | linux-bastler | I read about shipping on 25th december at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02 |
| 09:59.09 | xzcvczx | well santas elves will be busy....... |
| 09:59.15 | emdete | linux-bastler: i paid 300EUR inclusive shipping and about 50EUR tax |
| 09:59.22 | linux-bastler | If this is a joke, when would it be in shipping? |
| 09:59.51 | emdete | linux-bastler: for the gta01 without debugboard... |
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| 10:00.18 | linux-bastler | I'm waiting so long for october and then shipping is displaced to october |
| 10:00.19 | gordonsyme | linux-bastler: probably around that time (not that I have any more info than anyone else). I'd be well surprised if they started shipping on a day where a lot of the world shuts down though... |
| 10:00.53 | emdete | linux-bastler: i think there is some discussion if shipping start if the software is not ready... |
| 10:01.21 | linux-bastler | I meant december |
| 10:02.05 | linux-bastler | I think with a notice on the ordering page that the software isn't ready it's ok |
| 10:02.24 | linux-bastler | because I want this phone but I want it with wireless lan |
| 10:03.13 | emdete | linux-bastler: the gta01 has alread wireless network - bt with pan is just the same ;) |
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| 10:05.11 | Dunedan | linux-bastler: for german related neo & openmoko stuff you can also just visit #neo1973-germany ;-) |
| 10:05.27 | linux-bastler | ok |
| 10:05.36 | linux-bastler | I will visit this channel |
| 10:06.26 | linux-bastler | but a bigger wish is that a neo visits me |
| 10:09.28 | CVirus | what is Santa's Sleigh Package Service ? |
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| 10:13.45 | SpeedEvil | Sorry, I thought it would be clear that it was a joke. |
| 10:13.50 | edu | hi, does the neo recharge battery by the USB port and transformer? |
| 10:14.02 | SpeedEvil | edistar: you charge it via a USB port, yes |
| 10:14.38 | CVirus | SpeedEvil: my English isn't that good to understand it actually |
| 10:15.10 | CVirus | SpeedEvil: I got it now I guess |
| 10:15.12 | CVirus | anyways |
| 10:15.24 | SpeedEvil | CVirus: I should have thought of that. I was computing the likely date - based on past delays and timescales. |
| 10:15.35 | SpeedEvil | And happened to hit a date of December 20. |
| 10:16.24 | CVirus | SpeedEvil: 25th is not official then ? |
| 10:16.46 | edu | do you know if I can buy one directly by China or USA address? |
| 10:17.13 | SpeedEvil | So just the delivery service in as a joke. (Santa Claus - Father Christmas - is supposed to deliver presents on a sleigh, drawn by reindeer - hence the delivery. It's been recently commented that 'early to mid december' is likely. |
| 10:17.17 | SpeedEvil | Officially. |
| 10:17.26 | SpeedEvil | edu: no. You have to buy via mail order. |
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| 10:29.33 | mbuf | using OM2007.2 image, AT commands work only if gsmd start on boot-up; if i start it manually using /etc/init.d/gsmd start, it doesn't seem to respond; has anyone encountered this problem before? |
| 10:30.20 | mbuf | *starts on boot-up |
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| 10:31.23 | emdete | mbuf: what does 'AT commands work' mean? did you try cu on /dev/tty...? |
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| 10:31.45 | emdete | mbuf: a `/etc/init.d/gsmd stop` may help also |
| 10:32.06 | mbuf | emdete, i am testing with libgsmd API to send AT commands |
| 10:32.09 | emdete | mbuf: as far as i remember it resets the modem with stop |
| 10:32.14 | mbuf | emdete, i see |
| 10:32.49 | emdete | mbuf: your own program or libgsmd-tool? |
| 10:33.00 | mbuf | emdete, own :) |
| 10:33.20 | emdete | mbuf: cool... |
| 10:33.33 | emdete | mbuf: why do u send at commands? |
| 10:33.40 | mbuf | emdete, to test GSM chipset |
| 10:34.04 | emdete | mbuf: hm, whatever you are testing ;) |
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| 10:48.21 | matsimoto | is there a command line method to check if the battery is fully loaded ? |
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| 10:49.34 | SpeedEvil | #!/bin/ash |
| 10:49.34 | SpeedEvil | cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-0/0-0008/battvol |
| 10:49.43 | SpeedEvil | 4200 or so is fully charged |
| 10:50.13 | matsimoto | SpeedEvil: thanks |
| 10:50.23 | SpeedEvil | battvolt |
| 10:50.37 | SpeedEvil | 3800 or so is 50% |
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| 10:53.22 | matsimoto | SpeedEvil: I need this path: cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/battvolt is my version old ? |
| 10:53.36 | SpeedEvil | dunno |
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| 10:53.51 | SpeedEvil | the path varies for kernel |
| 10:53.57 | SpeedEvil | on the kernel version |
| 10:54.09 | matsimoto | ah, ok. |
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| 11:12.16 | CM | SpeedEvil: I think you just missed a t at the end :) |
| 11:13.17 | SpeedEvil | CM: compare the paths |
| 11:13.41 | CM | I noticed the 0 and the adapter too... |
| 11:14.58 | mbuf | when you buy a SIM card, doesn't the operator give you a 4-digit CPIN number? |
| 11:15.17 | SpeedEvil | not always. |
| 11:15.30 | CM | Sometimes it's just 0000 |
| 11:15.30 | SpeedEvil | Many cards in the UK are sold with no CPIN |
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| 11:15.47 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, in which case, AT commands should work without asking for CPIN? |
| 11:15.59 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 11:16.06 | SpeedEvil | My SIM has no PIN at all. |
| 11:16.24 | SpeedEvil | And requires no pin setting |
| 11:16.31 | IfChinsCouldKill | Don't you have to enter 0000 anyway? |
| 11:17.00 | CM | IfChinsCouldKill: Yes, but I only did that to disable the pin ;) |
| 11:17.59 | SpeedEvil | mookid: no |
| 11:18.03 | SpeedEvil | IfChinsCouldKill: no |
| 11:18.28 | SpeedEvil | IfChinsCouldKill: I just do at+cfun=1, at+cops, atd, and it works |
| 11:18.33 | SpeedEvil | No PIN entry at all |
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| 11:20.08 | XorA | just wait until USIM becomes manstream, then you have to remeber 16 pins :-D |
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| 11:20.49 | edu | do you think is any restriction by the operator for the device, other than the SIM? |
| 11:21.57 | tuukkah | the PIN can be changed or disabled |
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| 11:28.37 | tomww | anyone an idea how I could get a mobile data connection during a 1 week trip to the US? (or any ideas, which channel I might consult) |
| 11:28.38 | aloril | tomww: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 11:29.34 | emdete | tomww: in the us most hotels have internet in the rooms... |
| 11:29.38 | tuukkah | tomww, gsm roaming, for example |
| 11:30.00 | emdete | tuukkah: which is very expansive |
| 11:30.21 | tuukkah | there was no question of price or coverage =) |
| 11:30.22 | tomww | exactly. I would like to use a 1-month or a prepaid card plus data option... |
| 11:30.35 | tomww | tuukkah: *g* |
| 11:31.08 | emdete | tomww: i don't think u can use gprs with roaming... don't know |
| 11:31.10 | tomww | but browsing the carriers doesn't tell anythin about data (most of them)... |
| 11:31.50 | emdete | tomww: ah, you mean a prepaid card in the us |
| 11:31.52 | emdete | ? |
| 11:32.08 | tomww | roaming for gprs data might work, but every 10kbyte it would be 0.10 to 0.20 euro-cent |
| 11:32.56 | tomww | emdete: if i could stick in such a prepaid card with data option, this would be graet. even if only 5MB ... |
| 11:33.08 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't work that way |
| 11:33.21 | SpeedEvil | It's prepaid money amount typically. |
| 11:33.30 | tomww | I'm a bit wonderung, sinc in Germany we have a data-option with 200MBytes/month for EUR 20/month |
| 11:33.32 | SpeedEvil | And rate varies dramatically depending on country |
| 11:34.08 | emdete | tomww: where do you go in the us? |
| 11:34.32 | tomww | las vegas |
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| 11:41.16 | mbuf | if i don't get RSTR response when I send STR as AT, and lsof | grep tty shows gsmd running, what could be the problem? |
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| 11:43.43 | tuukkah | mbuf, are you sending as AT using libgsmd-tool -m atcmd? |
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| 11:44.11 | mbuf | tuukkah, yes |
| 11:45.01 | mbuf | tuukkah, last option is to update to a new OM2007.2 image |
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| 11:45.53 | tuukkah | you could try directly without gsmd as it's known to have communication bugs |
| 11:46.15 | mbuf | tuukkah, how? |
| 11:46.41 | tuukkah | we have instructions in the wiki using cu, but i prefer socat myself |
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| 11:47.28 | tuukkah | mbuf, i mean http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM |
| 11:47.33 | mbuf | tuukkah, i am trying to write an application with AT commands, so i need to use libgsmd API |
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| 11:48.03 | tuukkah | mbuf, you can always test with a simpler setup |
| 11:50.58 | mbuf | tuukkah, with cu -l /dev/ttySAC0, i am hitting BUG#256, http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=256 |
| 11:52.43 | tuukkah | mbuf, "from a parallel session stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 crtscts" |
| 11:52.58 | mbuf | tuukkah, yes, that helps |
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| 11:54.32 | mbuf | tuukkah, so, what is your suggestion on dealing with libgsmd API; i would like to automate these AT commands testing |
| 11:57.58 | tuukkah | could you write your app so that it writes the commands to and reads the replies from another process? then you could use "libgsmd-tool -m atcmd" as the process when it works, "cu -l /dev/ttySAC0" when it works, and "socat - file:/dev/ttySAC0,crtscts" when it's available |
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| 12:01.15 | mbuf | tuukkah, that went over my head :) |
| 12:01.49 | tuukkah | mbuf, what language are you programming in? |
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| 12:02.22 | mbuf | tuukkah, C, and GTK+; i can send code, if you'd like to have a look at it |
| 12:02.36 | mbuf | tuukkah, with libgsmd API as back-end |
| 12:02.47 | mbuf | tuukkah, GPL, of course |
| 12:03.08 | tuukkah | is the libgsmd api a requirement and why? |
| 12:03.21 | mbuf | tuukkah, no, i thought it will make life easier :) |
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| 12:03.52 | tuukkah | mbuf, well, it probably does when there are no bugs in it :-) |
| 12:04.01 | mbuf | tuukkah, :) |
| 12:07.01 | tuukkah | actually, now that you tried with cu, what was the result? |
| 12:07.12 | mbuf | tuukkah, it works fine :) |
| 12:07.27 | tuukkah | so it would seem to be a bug in gsmd? |
| 12:07.41 | mbuf | tuukkah, yes |
| 12:07.56 | tuukkah | have you looked at /tmp/gsmd.log? |
| 12:08.40 | mbuf | tuukkah, when i test my application? |
| 12:08.48 | mbuf | tuukkah, that uses libgsmd, wait, will have a look |
| 12:09.08 | tuukkah | yes - when the at command fails, there's perhaps something in the log |
| 12:12.36 | Psi | whats the most working image atm? |
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| 12:15.45 | mbuf | tuukkah, when i run my application with libgsmd, it just hangs at STR=`AT' ; nothing in /tmp/gsmd.log |
| 12:16.43 | tuukkah | mbuf, would that be because gsmd hasn't started properly? |
| 12:17.16 | mbuf | tuukkah, lsof | grep tty, shows gsmd running |
| 12:17.35 | tuukkah | Psi, the opinion of the wiki is at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing |
| 12:19.24 | tuukkah | mbuf, when gsmd starts, it prints a lot of messages in /tmp/gsmd.log. are you seeing those at least? |
| 12:19.55 | juri_ | isnt /tmp an odd place to keep log files? :P |
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| 12:20.28 | tuukkah | yeah, one might think /var/log was a more appropriate place :-) |
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| 12:20.58 | mbuf | tuukkah, yes, those appear, like 'AT+CGMF=0', 'AT+CTZR=1' etc. |
| 12:21.24 | tuukkah | mbuf, what about if you use libgsmd-tool -m atcmd? |
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| 12:21.39 | mbuf | tuukkah, some new messages, gsmd_alive timer expired, modem dead! |
| 12:21.48 | mbuf | tuukkah, ok, it has died now :( |
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| 12:22.59 | mbuf | tuukkah, let me try libgsmd-tool |
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| 12:25.21 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03chris * r3075 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine/ (ChangeLog src/moko-draw.c): Shift the offset to make the pattern less uniform-looking |
| 12:26.05 | mbuf | tuukkah, it gets stuck with the #bug 256, but, when I do stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 crtscts it gets restored |
| 12:27.14 | tuukkah | how old system are you using exactly? |
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| 12:28.59 | mbuf | tuukkah, three weeks, i guess; i commented all the updates in the MokoMakefile, didn't want to update it; maybe i should? |
| 12:29.41 | mbuf | tuukkah, i am using this method, http://free-opensource.qvantel.net/mediawiki/index.php/OpenMoko_Hello_World_Debian_20072#bitbake_and_generating_packages |
| 12:29.55 | tuukkah | hmm, three weeks isn't that much, and i've heard for a couple of days the images have been problematic. but i'm about to try with an image i just compiled |
| 12:30.31 | mbuf | tuukkah, would you like to join the project at projects.openmoko.org, if interested? |
| 12:31.55 | mbuf | tuukkah, that is why i didn't want to update my code base :) but, this application is primarily intended to automate AT test suite; and testing gsmd would be handy |
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| 12:32.23 | tuukkah | i didn't quite get the idea of the project yet. is it a gui frontend not unlike libgsmd-tool -m atcmd, or an automatic test suite, or? |
| 12:33.38 | mbuf | tuukkah, both :) this worked for OM2007.1 - http://shakthimaan.com/downloads/openmoko/images/at-test-suite-window.png |
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| 12:36.44 | bentob0x | any ETA on when we can start to buy the openmoko? |
| 12:36.44 | aloril | bentob0x: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 12:36.56 | bentob0x | nice bot :) |
| 12:37.57 | edu | does someone know what can I do if the handset is locked by the GSM operator? |
| 12:38.42 | mjr | ask the operator how much it costs to get it unlocked? :] |
| 12:40.02 | edu | is there something I can do from the Neo (I mean I've the source code) ? |
| 12:40.03 | xamindar | edu, just ask them to unlock it |
| 12:40.45 | mjr | I didn't think the Neo could be locked |
| 12:40.52 | xamindar | edu, i called cingular and asked them to unlock my phone because I "was going abroad" and they unlocked it |
| 12:41.03 | mjr | (I suppose it could be possible if the GSM chipset implemented the locking) |
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| 12:43.31 | edu | xamindar: do you know what cingular do to unlock it? the IMEI is the SIM... |
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| 12:45.51 | xamindar | edu, it depends on the phone. it's in the software of the phone |
| 12:46.15 | XorA | edu: IMEI is the phone |
| 12:46.21 | XorA | edu: IMSI is the SIM |
| 12:47.10 | edu | sorry yes your are right... |
| 12:47.21 | xamindar | so i don't think the openmoko will be locked. if it did we could just reflash it with unlocked software ;) |
| 12:47.27 | edu | the IMEI is what the operator should register, right? |
| 12:47.32 | XorA | edu: I spent 5 years writing SIM :-D |
| 12:47.53 | XorA | edu: most networks ignore IMEI unless they have anti-theft or anti-cloning initiatives |
| 12:47.54 | xamindar | edu, they register both i think |
| 12:48.06 | edu | ok thanks |
| 12:48.13 | xamindar | but you don't have to have your imei registered |
| 12:48.26 | XorA | IMEI isnt very unique in most parts of Europe |
| 12:48.52 | edu | ok so how is the handset locked by the operator? |
| 12:49.10 | XorA | edu: what do you mean by locked? |
| 12:49.33 | XorA | edu: simlock normally the phone checks for operater identifier on sim and refuses to boot if its not there |
| 12:49.42 | edu | deny of service. |
| 12:49.59 | XorA | IMEI can be blocked, depends on network whether that works or not |
| 12:50.00 | xamindar | i think he is talking about it being locked to a certain network |
| 12:50.11 | XorA | xamindar: that is SIMlock |
| 12:50.34 | xamindar | what does it have to do with sim? |
| 12:51.11 | xamindar | you can take out the sim and the phone remains locked |
| 12:51.11 | XorA | xamindar: SIM is the only link with a network, phones know nothing about network |
| 12:51.14 | XorA | xamindar: they put some stuff in phone firmware though that checks for a secret identifier on the SIM |
| 12:51.29 | xamindar | oh, yeah. ok. i get you |
| 12:51.42 | xamindar | it's locked to a certain network's SIM |
| 12:51.45 | XorA | xamindar: its an option on pretty much all phones, and pretty much all phones allow you to unlock by a) reflash, or b) enter secret code |
| 12:51.49 | XorA | xamindar: yes |
| 12:51.57 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] |
| 12:52.07 | XorA | the market stalls that unlock tend to reflash |
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| 12:57.43 | edu | I read this in the community mail: "Then there's the ability of the carrier to lock the SIM or handset so it will no longer connect to the service". |
| 12:57.45 | edu | The handset locking is what I'm referring to. |
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| 13:11.03 | yoyo_ | hi all |
| 13:11.56 | tuukkah | edu, so the network operator just keeps a list of blocked IMEI and IMSI numbers. and a phone that tells it has one of those numbers is not given service |
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| 13:15.00 | edu | tuukkah: Or the other way, IMEI and IMSI registered are allowed. What I don't know; is this the only way network operator can lock the handset, not the SIM? |
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| 13:36.20 | tuukkah | i don't see issues with a new image |
| 13:36.42 | tuukkah | or i mean, no more than before, but rather less |
| 13:37.50 | mwester | mbuf: there have been *many* important fixes to libgsmd and the /etc/init.d/gsmd startup script; try using a recent images (very recent, no older than a few days). |
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| 13:43.42 | tuukkah | hmm what's the at command for cancelling an outgoing call before the call is connected? |
| 13:44.09 | tuukkah | openmoko-dialer isn't doing the right thing |
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| 13:45.18 | tuukkah | mbuf, did you want me to test some at command with the newer gsmd? |
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| 13:46.35 | mbuf | mwester, thanks for the info! |
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| 13:46.46 | mbuf | tuukkah, if you have the time, sure |
| 13:46.58 | tuukkah | so, which command? |
| 13:47.53 | mbuf | tuukkah, AT+CGMI, AT+CGMM |
| 13:48.44 | tuukkah | work |
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| 13:49.39 | mbuf | tuukkah, thanks! i will update my build environment; and test code, and will let you know |
| 13:51.07 | tuukkah | AT alone returns ERROR though |
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| 13:59.15 | yoyo_ | I can't find any working image for my moko v4. :/ from ~one mouth every image freeze my moko near X start :/ |
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| 14:00.37 | yoyo_ | can I get some help from some one? |
| 14:01.02 | Argiris | Has FIC Neo1973 wi-fi? |
| 14:01.03 | aloril | Currently sold Neo1973 GTA01B_v04 (P1) doesn't have WiFi, GTA02 (P2) which is scheduled for October will have WiFi with free (libre) drivers (Atheros AR6K): http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F |
| 14:01.41 | viq | GPL drivers without documentation, bleh. |
| 14:02.11 | cb22 | IE, monitor mode, packet inkjection, etc |
| 14:02.29 | Argiris | will FIC Neo1973 be aviable in Greece? |
| 14:02.52 | viq | Argiris: it will be available through international orders |
| 14:03.31 | viq | To pretty much everyone, except some lucky guys in Taiwan or China or something over there ;) |
| 14:03.48 | tuukkah | yoyo_, have you tried an image from today or yesterday or so? |
| 14:04.42 | cb22 | viq, everythings shipping from taiwan / china ? |
| 14:05.05 | yoyo_ | tuukkah: from what url? |
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| 14:05.21 | tuukkah | yoyo_, i don't know, i compile myself |
| 14:05.56 | viq | cb22: from what I'm aware, yes. |
| 14:06.08 | yoyo_ | tuukkah: ok I will try to build a image |
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| 14:06.28 | tuukkah | perhaps you can find an image somewhere or get mine |
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| 14:07.38 | viq | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ ? |
| 14:08.05 | tuukkah | might be recent enough |
| 14:08.15 | Argiri1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.16 | aloril | Argiri1: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 14:08.29 | jeddy3 | has anyone got the openmoko-mediaplayer working? i get internal data flow error in gstreamer |
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| 14:09.37 | yoyo_ | hyyy on buildhost newest is from 07-09-17 (old?) |
| 14:09.47 | cb22 | its output power is only something like 20mw? |
| 14:10.38 | inz | mw is somewhat confusing |
| 14:11.00 | cb22 | inz, what do you mean? |
| 14:11.14 | inz | Given that W should be capital, it is not known whether m should be m or M |
| 14:11.14 | cb22 | are you referring to each speed having a different output power? |
| 14:11.29 | cb22 | mW |
| 14:11.30 | inz | ;) |
| 14:11.47 | cb22 | i wish MW :) |
| 14:12.05 | cb22 | then my neo could replace my microwave too |
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| 14:13.13 | SpeedEvil | It can. |
| 14:13.17 | SpeedEvil | All you need is an array. |
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| 14:13.53 | SpeedEvil | 8000 neos, with the appropriate antenna connector should work well. |
| 14:16.06 | viq | A phone with MW antenna... How close would you dare stand to it? ;) |
| 14:16.12 | tuukkah | yoyo_, did you see the link to another buildhost? |
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| 14:19.48 | yoyo_ | tuukkah: I found a ipkg.nslu2-linux.org :) good repo :) thx :) |
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| 14:29.41 | zefanja | hey...I have problems to build with the makefile. When I want to build fontconfig I get this: unable to get local issuer certificate and 'connection refused' |
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| 14:34.10 | yoyo_ | what uimage is the best? |
| 14:37.52 | buz | jeddy3: there is one problem with that, some websites simply dont work at above about 120dpi |
| 14:38.01 | buz | the text gets all screwed up even on my 150dpi screen |
| 14:38.07 | buz | but otherwise, the more dpi, the better |
| 14:38.17 | jeddy3 | :) |
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| 14:38.57 | buz | i'm still waiting for someone to figure out that more dpi is better and finally release a stand alone 17" 1920x1200 screen |
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| 14:40.06 | buz | building one msyself seems a tad bit hard/expensive |
| 14:40.18 | tuukkah | yoyo_, the latest of course :-) |
| 14:40.41 | folken | as long as windows doesn't support that dpi, you probably won't see it. |
| 14:41.02 | ScaredyCat | yoyo_: ! |
| 14:41.02 | wibbit | buz: ahhh, an individual after my own heart. |
| 14:41.04 | tuukkah | even if sold by say apple? |
| 14:41.25 | buz | if it was from apple i would have to have a long thought |
| 14:41.30 | buz | likely pricing would be insane then |
| 14:41.35 | wibbit | buz: it has been some one infuriating, that I can go out and buy a laptop screen which is 17" and does 1920x1200, but can't get a desktop screen of the same size and res |
| 14:41.40 | wibbit | buz: grrrrrrr |
| 14:41.53 | buz | wibbit: i even have 1920x1200 on 15.4" in front of my |
| 14:41.55 | buz | me |
| 14:41.58 | yoyo_ | ScaredCat: hi |
| 14:42.01 | viq | o.O |
| 14:42.18 | wibbit | buz: the desktop ones are just tooo damn big |
| 14:42.26 | buz | i was thinking of trying to get a dvi to lvds converter and use a 17" laptop screen |
| 14:42.31 | viq | that's insane on screen that size |
| 14:42.39 | buz | not really |
| 14:42.45 | buz | looks gorgeous at 148dpi |
| 14:42.53 | ScaredyCat | we thought you'd been abducted by aliens yoyo_ ... |
| 14:43.05 | viq | yeah, but try to read something... |
| 14:43.22 | buz | what do you think, i have text to speech for irc? |
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| 14:44.06 | viq | buz: DNI ;) |
| 14:44.17 | viq | Direct Neural Interface ;) |
| 14:44.28 | buz | i did have to go through some trouble to get the laptop in the first place ;) |
| 14:44.44 | buz | dell thought i was a bit weird for getting that screen with a GMA X3100 I guess |
| 14:44.45 | wibbit | buz: I mean on Desktop screens that provide 1920x1200 is too bi |
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| 14:45.09 | buz | i'm gonna buy a 24" one as soon as they go below 300EUR |
| 14:45.39 | buz | right now its still cheaper to get 2x20" ones but hooking up two screens to a notebook is a painful exercise |
| 14:45.59 | buz | now if someone would sell neo like screens in desktop size, i'd order it right now |
| 14:46.07 | wibbit | buz: what is the GMA X3100 like? |
| 14:46.13 | tomww | buz: u would need a vga and a dvi output... |
| 14:46.25 | buz | tomww: i actually have, but then i cant use the internal screen anymore |
| 14:46.38 | tomww | ah, you like three screens :) |
| 14:46.39 | buz | wibbit: decent, but it cant do video display in compiz |
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| 14:46.47 | Mek | can't you somehow hook two screens to one dvi port? |
| 14:46.58 | yoyo_ | ScaredyCat: I heaving hard days at work :/ |
| 14:47.00 | buz | not really |
| 14:47.07 | buz | not any sort of resolution you really want |
| 14:47.21 | buz | theres that weird matrox device but it only works for 1280x1024 i believe |
| 14:47.38 | mjr | I think the matrox devices generally support only vga |
| 14:47.39 | Writchie| | the ultimate desktop http://digitaltigers.com/zenview-arena-ultrahd.shtml |
| 14:47.45 | mjr | at least the ones I've noticed |
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| 14:48.08 | buz | there's a 900$ box from expresscard to pci-e, if that was priced in saner regions i'd buy it |
| 14:48.12 | DukeOfURL | what about placing a raindrop on the screen above the finger in order to magnify the tiny text? |
| 14:48.13 | wibbit | buz: yet? or ever? |
| 14:48.35 | buz | wibbit: ? |
| 14:49.09 | wibbit | buz: you said it can't do video display in compiz, is it just a driver issue that will be resolved, or some thign fundermentally missing from the device |
| 14:49.17 | buz | i'm not really sure |
| 14:49.24 | wibbit | buz: is it much faster that the previous revision? |
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| 14:49.43 | buz | wibbit: hard to say, i dont have a comparably specced 950 |
| 14:49.54 | wibbit | okie |
| 14:50.13 | buz | benchmark say up to 50% faster depending on task |
| 14:50.39 | wibbit | buz: displaying text :) |
| 14:51.16 | buz | from what i gathered, the X3100 isn't a real gpu anyhow, it's more of a first step towards stream processing for intel |
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| 14:52.35 | wibbit | well, with any luck, the ati stuff will get off the ground fairly quickly |
| 14:52.57 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Mokopedia]] [[Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr]] |
| 14:53.36 | buz | i actually sold an ati laptop just to get the x3100 ;) |
| 14:53.55 | wibbit | I am sure the screen on the new one is much nicer :\ |
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| 14:55.09 | buz | actually that depends on what you want |
| 14:55.30 | buz | the old one was a T60 with 1680*1050 which had better colors, but the dell has higher resolution |
| 14:56.19 | wibbit | I think for most thing, I'd rather res over colour |
| 14:56.32 | buz | me too |
| 14:56.36 | wibbit | but then I'm a sys admin, not a graphics designer |
| 14:57.05 | XorA | just get a 50" 1080p |
| 14:57.30 | buz | my 1920x1200 has more pixel than 1080p :P |
| 14:57.43 | XorA | yeah, but Quake at 50" is wicked |
| 14:58.03 | buz | i've played it on 8foot beamer |
| 14:58.08 | buz | wasnt particularly impressed |
| 14:58.08 | wibbit | I'm currently waiting for some new technologies to come out before I get my new LCD |
| 14:58.12 | buz | now mariokart ;) |
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| 15:21.08 | tushyd | hey I'm getting a "bad magic number" when trying to boot the qemu emulator |
| 15:22.40 | tushyd | no one? |
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| 15:26.15 | tushyd | any help? |
| 15:26.16 | aloril | Commands: counter (see estimated time until P1), counter_msg (set message for counter), faq (gives this link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ ) |
| 15:26.52 | Vegar | oh man.. |
| 15:26.55 | Vegar | not that counter again |
| 15:26.57 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.26 | tushyd | I love that song |
| 15:27.51 | SpeedEvil | Sorry, I can't help - not done the qemu thing. |
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| 15:48.40 | Bish | <3 GTA02 |
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| 16:52.37 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[MacOS_X]] [[User:Wurp]] [[Mokostat]] [[Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch]] [[Package_management]] |
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| 16:56.54 | buz | http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2007/10/qt-coolness.html unless that was some humungous HTC device with keyboard, i doubt this works very well usability wise??? |
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| 17:25.18 | Argiris | Can I buy neo1973 with WiFi in less than 350 euro ??? "-( |
| 17:26.19 | tuukkah | USD 450 is EUR 317 |
| 17:26.38 | Argiris | when it will be realesed? |
| 17:26.40 | guaqua | + vat + shipping |
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| 17:27.08 | tuukkah | Argiris, latest word i've heard is november |
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| 17:31.52 | bedboi | hi all |
| 17:33.03 | casten | hi bedboi |
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| 17:40.13 | Ghiottone | hello |
| 17:40.20 | Vegar | tuukkah: november? |
| 17:40.25 | Vegar | tuukkah: wasn't it december? |
| 17:41.17 | tuukkah | yesterday in a conference presentation, michael shiloh had the time as november |
| 17:41.32 | Ghiottone | w00t? |
| 17:41.36 | Ghiottone | which time? |
| 17:41.42 | Ghiottone | phase 0? |
| 17:41.54 | tuukkah | yeah, who knows which phase |
| 17:42.29 | Vegar | heh |
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| 17:42.36 | Vegar | hmm.. yeah |
| 17:42.48 | Vegar | I think I've read november somewhere too |
| 17:42.56 | |R | If we can make phone calls, send SMS (for those who care, not me) and have a usefull battery life, the rest is just in the waiting :) |
| 17:43.16 | Vegar | "The November release of GTA02 is still aimed at developers: The hardware will be finished, but the software will still be under development." |
| 17:43.24 | Vegar | from the mailing list |
| 17:43.29 | Vegar | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-October/010746.html |
| 17:43.53 | tuukkah | Vegar, that description would fit phase 1 |
| 17:44.14 | Vegar | that's very interesting |
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| 17:44.34 | Vegar | and very inappropriate |
| 17:44.41 | Vegar | I have three finals in December |
| 17:44.56 | |R | haha :) |
| 17:49.10 | LetoTo | yay |
| 17:49.22 | LetoTo | I need to buy the gtav2 before buying an iphone :P |
| 17:49.34 | LetoTo | esp with the iphone having a toolchain now, and root access :P |
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| 17:51.40 | rc-1 | hi! what carrier do you guys reccomend getting (USA)? |
| 17:51.40 | aloril | rc-1: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 17:54.45 | nnpiggy | rc-1, I use t-mobile. I don't have serious complaints, but neither do I have any fabulous stories of how helpful they've been... |
| 17:55.32 | mjr | at&t is pretty much the non-recommendation |
| 17:55.55 | rc-1 | sprint or verision okay though? |
| 17:56.04 | mjr | aren't they non-gsm |
| 17:56.16 | rc-1 | no idea :( |
| 17:56.54 | rc-1 | nnpiggy: does tmobile have something like verisions evdo? |
| 17:58.47 | nnpiggy | Apparently not. They only have a low-speed digital service. So far, I've only been using their voice services. |
| 17:59.17 | mjr | rc-1, are your questions relative to the neo, even? |
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| 17:59.57 | rc-1 | i was going to get the consumer one |
| 18:00.04 | mjr | (doesn't do evdo or cdma, you know) |
| 18:00.14 | rc-1 | oh didnt know that |
| 18:00.26 | nnpiggy | Oops. I stand corrected. They launched an EDGE service back in 2005. |
| 18:00.40 | rc-1 | awesome! ill look into tmobile then |
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| 18:01.28 | mjr | neo's cell data capabilities are limited to gprs, basically (which works in gsm networks) |
| 18:01.31 | nnpiggy | http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/66980 |
| 18:01.47 | nnpiggy | Not all that exciting--we're talking 100kbps... |
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| 18:19.15 | kristian-m | what does "ask_ds" mean in the gsm util sms send command? |
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| 18:39.38 | matsimoto | how do I prevent the auto start of openmoko-today on boot |
| 18:41.14 | Ghiottone | matsimoto, have a look at this file: /etc/matchbox/session |
| 18:41.35 | matsimoto | Ghiottone: thanx ! |
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| 18:47.08 | zecke | XorA: congrats! |
| 18:47.54 | XorA | zecke: cheers |
| 18:47.55 | XorA | # |
| 18:55.31 | roh | hey zecke |
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| 18:55.55 | ScaredyCat | vbnm,. |
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| 19:00.49 | pike__ | so.. what is the deal with the suspend feature? |
| 19:01.38 | pike__ | nm |
| 19:02.02 | Writchie | pike__ mostly works except for modem and AFAIK usb host and usb device |
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| 19:10.01 | zecke | ljp: are you awake yet? |
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| 19:17.27 | cb22_ | any ideas on how software on openmoko is going to run anyone? |
| 19:17.29 | cb22_ | ie, as root? |
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| 19:21.56 | kristian-m | cb22_ root is still default, right |
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| 19:22.23 | cb22_ | m'kay. guess this will change eventually in the future to something more secure |
| 19:23.01 | XorA | cb22_: thats the plan yes |
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| 19:29.01 | ljp | zecke: just |
| 19:29.11 | woglinde | he ljp |
| 19:29.12 | zecke | ljp: hey |
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| 19:29.21 | ljp | hi |
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| 19:29.40 | woglinde | ljp hm in greenphone previe 3.0 I cant choose a picture as background image |
| 19:29.49 | woglinde | ups 4.3 |
| 19:29.50 | woglinde | sorry |
| 19:30.13 | ljp | go to the homescreen settings app. known issue :) |
| 19:31.53 | woglinde | ah fine |
| 19:32.14 | woglinde | hm why I overlooked this app |
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| 20:22.58 | |R | Can the accelerometer actually sense the direction the neo is pointing to (using gravity i guess) or only the difference in acceleration as the name imply? |
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| 20:26.12 | mjr | you can tell where ground is |
| 20:26.31 | |R | cool :) |
| 20:27.06 | mjr | (well, with the usual assumptions) |
| 20:27.14 | mjr | anyway, gravity is measurable |
| 20:27.25 | mjr | along with all other acceleration |
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| 20:29.56 | |R | so all that is missing for a static 3dimentional positioning with the GPS is a compass? (which is fixed if you move with the GPS though) |
| 20:30.21 | mjr | basically |
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| 20:34.51 | SpeedEvil | It's not quite fixed. |
| 20:35.06 | SpeedEvil | GPS accuracy under accelleration is not great. |
| 20:35.13 | SpeedEvil | Even modest ones. |
| 20:35.30 | SpeedEvil | Take two tracks. |
| 20:35.58 | SpeedEvil | Go north, all the way around a roundabout several times. |
| 20:36.11 | SpeedEvil | Most GPSs will give some sort of spiral |
| 20:36.28 | SpeedEvil | And you're assuming ideal GPS position accuracy - which isn't there. |
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| 20:38.08 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.50 | |R | thanks :) |
| 20:47.21 | rabble | SpeedEvil: is there an accelerometer in the current OM's? |
| 20:49.03 | SpeedEvil | Not yet. |
| 20:49.12 | rabble | ah |
| 20:49.16 | SpeedEvil | I'm in the process of building one for sale. |
| 20:49.23 | rabble | that wikipage might do good by mentioning it |
| 20:53.37 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Risto]] [[Manually_using_GSM]] [[Talk:MacOS_X]] [[SMSTool]] |
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| 21:07.56 | emdete | i have problem with my own bb file. since some days (and after a make clobber) it doesnt build anymore with the error "svn: Unable to find repository location for 'svn+ssh://...' in revision 1" when fetching. the bb file worked fine some weeks ago |
| 21:09.21 | cb22_ | Maledictus, if you are around, have you tried building openmoko on freebsd? |
| 21:09.37 | emdete | the bb file was done after http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Create_a_package_from_existing_sources - any ideas? |
| 21:11.19 | Ghiottone | emdete where is it fetching the sources from? |
| 21:11.39 | emdete | Ghiottone: from my server via ssh+svn... my private svn here |
| 21:11.58 | emdete | Ghiottone: it seems to fetch revision 1 where the project did not exists... |
| 21:12.36 | Ghiottone | emdete, how could it fetch something correctly if the project did not exist? |
| 21:13.06 | ynezz | maybe if you don't specify srcrev it defaults to revision 1? |
| 21:13.21 | emdete | Ghiottone: in the past it did not fetch revision 1 ;) |
| 21:13.48 | Ghiottone | emdete, ah I see :) maybe ynezz is right, then. |
| 21:14.10 | Ghiottone | ynezz, do you also know how to automatically set SRCREV to HEAD? |
| 21:14.11 | emdete | ynezz: i folled the wiki and it says to put `SRCDATE_${PN} = "now"` into the bb file... |
| 21:14.27 | emdete | Ghiottone: yes, that would be perfect |
| 21:16.44 | emdete | ynezz: okay, i put a recent revision number into SRCREV and now it fetches, thnx! perhaps someone who knows more about that should update the wiki |
| 21:19.04 | mmp | Hello, how should I interpret http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-October/010746.html ? |
| 21:19.32 | mmp | It looks like developer release of GTA02 will be even in November? (but correct me if I'm wrong) |
| 21:20.41 | mjr | apparently they're hoping it will |
| 21:20.49 | mjr | I shan't hold breath, but it'd be nice |
| 21:21.14 | rwhitby-treo | Don't believe everything you read :-) GTA01 was supposed to out in February :-) |
| 21:21.34 | rwhitby-treo | Mickey said Dec at the last conference |
| 21:21.46 | cb22_ | ready by november |
| 21:21.50 | cb22_ | shipped by december |
| 21:21.54 | cb22_ | IIRC |
| 21:21.57 | rwhitby-treo | hardware success or problems can easily shift things by months |
| 21:22.34 | mmp | yes, I know... |
| 21:22.42 | mmp | I don't want that much... |
| 21:23.02 | mmp | just one minute of false hope that it will happen in November :-P |
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| 21:24.33 | mmp | but, seriously, I understood 'release' as a date when shipment starts |
| 21:24.54 | ynezz | emdete: head should be AUTOREV |
| 21:25.21 | emdete | ynezz: so SRCREV="AUTOREV"? or AUTOREV = ??? |
| 21:25.36 | rwhitby-treo | former |
| 21:25.51 | rwhitby-treo | (I think) |
| 21:26.01 | ynezz | SRCREV_pn-libgsmd ?= "${AUTOREV}" |
| 21:26.11 | emdete | ynezz: but i have a new problem. it checks out into ..../$PN and tries to make-install in ..../$PN-$PV |
| 21:27.17 | Ghiottone | emdete, try overriding the source files directory with S = "${WORKDIR}/yourdir" |
| 21:27.26 | rwhitby-treo | set $S or $W (don't remember which) |
| 21:29.52 | Ghiottone | ynezz and how do I set PR to the checked out revision? |
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| 21:32.15 | emdete | AUTOREV does not work... |
| 21:32.38 | ynezz | have you tried SRCREV="${AUTOREV}" |
| 21:32.40 | ynezz | ? |
| 21:32.46 | emdete | ynezz: yes |
| 21:33.08 | rwhitby-treo | no ${} |
| 21:33.13 | emdete | ynezz: and SRCREV_${PN} = ... |
| 21:33.53 | ynezz | rwhitby-treo: but it's a variable defined in bitbake.conf |
| 21:34.17 | emdete | Ghiottone: it does not set PR ... PR is always r0... |
| 21:35.06 | Ghiottone | emdete yes I know. that's why I'd like to set it to HEAD revision |
| 21:35.39 | emdete | Ghiottone: that's stupid - why doesn't it set it? hm... |
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| 21:40.52 | emdete | this AUTOREV does not work at all - with or withot deref by ${} - it just does a svn update -r AUTOREV... |
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| 21:41.18 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Anyone here know anything about using/working with GPS/gpsd? |
| 21:41.26 | kynes | hi, I appreciate all the work put into OpenMoko project.. I have a question |
| 21:41.40 | kynes | when will the next phase hardware come out and be sold to developers? |
| 21:42.00 | SpeedEvil | December. |
| 21:42.32 | ynezz | emdete: can you post your bb? |
| 21:42.44 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Wow, that topic helps deflect questions. :P |
| 21:42.46 | emdete | ynezz: shure - give me a second |
| 21:44.02 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Ok, mundane question ... anyone know how to get a keyboard to pop up on 2007.2 image? |
| 21:44.31 | emdete | ynezz: http://rafb.net/p/GcUucD87.html |
| 21:44.33 | Mek | click the keyboard icon in the top bar? (or the empty space if you don't ahve that icon I think...) |
| 21:45.46 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I had the empty space on the older image, I didn't notice it on the 2007.2 image though |
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| 21:47.00 | emdete | ynezz: any idea? |
| 21:48.25 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Mek: The UI opens to "Today", and clicking between the status icons and the "Today" label just makes a click noise :S |
| 21:48.46 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I'm willing to SSH in and start it by hand, if that'll help :) |
| 21:48.57 | Mek | hmm... I had a keyoard icon between those status icons... |
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| 21:49.41 | emdete | HistoryOnTheRoad: i heard the easiest way to get a keyboard is a bt one ;) |
| 21:50.23 | HistoryOnTheRoad | emdete: That will come, no worries. I like the onscreen one for little stuff, though :P |
| 21:51.17 | emdete | HistoryOnTheRoad: i also looked for cheap ones... but even the ugly stuff is expensive :/ |
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| 21:52.14 | Ghiottone | emdete putting SRCREV="HEAD" seemed to have some effects for me |
| 21:52.41 | HistoryOnTheRoad | emdete: The new apple ones are nice... but I'm not sure they are a full keyboard. |
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| 21:53.26 | emdete | HistoryOnTheRoad: yes, it's fine - i found a even nicer but all those gadgeds cost about 70EUR... |
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| 21:53.37 | kristian-m | apple bt-keyboard will work fine. - tested here |
| 21:54.14 | emdete | Ghiottone: thnx, that worked - now i have a rHEAD... :D |
| 21:54.38 | kristian-m | emdete maybe you can get a full size apple bt-keyboard - as new once are in store soon/now |
| 21:54.50 | kristian-m | hi Ghiottone |
| 21:55.04 | Ghiottone | hey kristian-m |
| 21:55.21 | kristian-m | Ghiottone do you think you could package mokostats? |
| 21:55.22 | emdete | kristian-m: i am looking for a small one - using the neo as a notebook replacement and phone. having a kbd in the pocket if i need a ssh |
| 21:55.26 | HistoryOnTheRoad | emdete: Well, they are selling the apple wireless kbd for $80 CDN ... and EUR is much higher then CDN right now. |
| 21:55.45 | daltona | kristian-m, I'm currently fighting with bb ! |
| 21:55.51 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, I'm trying to build the package of smstool but I'm having problems. could you provide a setup.py for it too? |
| 21:55.51 | emdete | HistoryOnTheRoad: CDN? |
| 21:56.05 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, oh I already did a preliminary but not working version |
| 21:56.08 | kristian-m | emdete hmm, than that new apple one would be nice - as it's small - but not in store for this week I guess (at last in europe) |
| 21:56.18 | emdete | HistoryOnTheRoad: anyway for apple is $ == EUR... |
| 21:56.23 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, I'm trying to sync with svn HEAD :) |
| 21:57.01 | daltona | Ghiottone, are you talking about mokostats ? |
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| 21:57.15 | kristian-m | Ghiottone me too, it depends on gpslib though |
| 21:57.22 | kristian-m | hi daltona |
| 21:57.51 | daltona | I need to update configure.in for gpslib, libnotification also |
| 21:58.02 | emdete | HistoryOnTheRoad: what's CDN? |
| 21:58.05 | kristian-m | daltona just compiled it - now i've to wait for my build to finish so that i can create a libgps package - to try it :-) |
| 21:58.19 | kristian-m | daltona right |
| 21:58.38 | kristian-m | daltona nice tool though - from waht i see on the screenshots |
| 21:58.46 | daltona | for libgps, gpsd is sufficient |
| 21:58.48 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, yeah I'm working on mokostats. is everybody doing this too? |
| 21:59.13 | daltona | Ghiottone, Iùm currently fighting, but I'll give up for tonight |
| 21:59.36 | Ghiottone | daltona, what's the actual problem? I'm missing some .h files |
| 21:59.36 | kristian-m | Ghiottone i'm just curious :) |
| 21:59.48 | emdete | daltona: i just won the fight :D thnx guys! |
| 21:59.49 | |R | emdete : CAD, canadian $ |
| 22:00.07 | daltona | Ghiottone, if you manage to have a working bb, I will be interested in the instruction ! |
| 22:00.35 | kristian-m | daltona we should coordiante with settingsgui - i planned a bluetooth page, if you are building a device selection page to mokostats i can strike that on my todo :-) |
| 22:00.45 | daltona | kristian-m, yeah, I actually managed to start acquisition of orange toulouse BTSs |
| 22:01.05 | Ghiottone | emdete, what was the winning trick? |
| 22:01.09 | Ghiottone | daltona, sure |
| 22:01.28 | emdete | Ghiottone: S = /and/ HEAD |
| 22:01.28 | daltona | kristian-m, I would really like to put the bluetooth config and all inside mokostats if you want |
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| 22:01.54 | daltona | kristian-m, you want me to add you to the project in order to let you develop that part ? |
| 22:01.57 | Ghiottone | emdete :) |
| 22:02.11 | daltona | Ghiottone, great ! |
| 22:02.33 | kristian-m | daltona well, one problem with me was that the ui guielines define a limit a 4 pages for an application - so i have no place left for other settings, ... |
| 22:02.42 | Ghiottone | my bb recipe worked for an early version of mokostats |
| 22:02.53 | Ghiottone | there should be the package in my repo IIRC |
| 22:03.03 | Ghiottone | but newer ones are a different matter |
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| 22:03.14 | kristian-m | daltona hmm, maybe - i have not much time though - at least until next week |
| 22:03.15 | daltona | kristian-m, OK so that means separate application then. |
| 22:03.28 | kristian-m | daltona well settingsgui is in python |
| 22:03.40 | daltona | kristian-m, I know... |
| 22:03.48 | kristian-m | daltona still, we could merge, lets just find out how |
| 22:04.30 | daltona | Ghiottone, I actually need to add additional lines to the configure.in in order to create a correct makefile taking into account the newer dependancies |
| 22:04.36 | kristian-m | daltona i also thought about moving to c later... - but it would be some serious work |
| 22:05.07 | daltona | kristian-m, yes, but for perfs and disk usage, I think it should be better |
| 22:05.36 | kristian-m | daltona right |
| 22:05.42 | daltona | kristian-m, and actually, I think that the whole GPS and Cell Location features may deserve a brand new application |
| 22:05.55 | daltona | so freeing 3 tabs |
| 22:06.13 | kristian-m | daltona yes maybe with map support |
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| 22:07.24 | kristian-m | daltona hmm - well I guess i could port the screen and the sound settings to C fast - but gprs would be harder |
| 22:07.39 | daltona | kristian-m, as this feature is only for base station location acquisition, map support may not be needed, plotting the acquired points with some kind of signal strength parametric circles would make sense though |
| 22:08.34 | daltona | kristian-m, for GPRS I think I can manage implementing the needed processing if required |
| 22:08.56 | daltona | kristian-m, I have quite a lot of experience in that area |
| 22:09.03 | kristian-m | daltona i see |
| 22:09.20 | kristian-m | daltona it's mostly reating settings for pppd |
| 22:09.55 | daltona | kristian-m, reading settings from where ? |
| 22:10.10 | daltona | kristian-m, ppp and chat scripts ? |
| 22:10.29 | kristian-m | daltona yes its a pppd config file interpreter |
| 22:10.55 | kristian-m | daltona and it brings default configurations - and there is a filter for the chat-scripts |
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| 22:11.40 | daltona | kristian-m, the way it should be done is the following IMHO : |
| 22:11.54 | daltona | all settings are stored in gconf keys |
| 22:12.16 | daltona | the program would read these keys and generate the needed config files from these data |
| 22:12.23 | daltona | and then fork and trigger pppd |
| 22:12.52 | daltona | so the gui only has to maintain gconf keys that would be used once needed |
| 22:13.07 | daltona | that way, we can even support several profiles |
| 22:13.13 | kristian-m | daltona sounds right |
| 22:13.18 | daltona | same set of keys in different diretories of gconf |
| 22:14.06 | kristian-m | daltona right now i can use the ppp/peers/ entryes as profiles and even change them - so users can use there existing fieles |
| 22:14.54 | kristian-m | daltona anyway maybe gsmd should be used instead of chat |
| 22:15.06 | kristian-m | but gconf seems the way to go |
| 22:15.18 | daltona | kristian-m, I agree with gsmd used in place of chat |
| 22:15.38 | kristian-m | chat config files are ugly anyway |
| 22:15.46 | daltona | kristian-m, yeah |
| 22:16.01 | kristian-m | (pppd also) ;-) |
| 22:16.22 | kristian-m | okay but this is some amount of work then |
| 22:16.40 | daltona | advantage of pppd is that options can all be provided in the command line arguments |
| 22:16.52 | kristian-m | daltona sure? |
| 22:17.18 | daltona | kristian-m, yes |
| 22:17.24 | kristian-m | hmm i see |
| 22:17.44 | kristian-m | well maybe gsmd should trigger pppd then |
| 22:18.31 | daltona | kristian-m, I'm not sure, as pppd is only meant for data plane whereas gsmd is more control plane oriented |
| 22:19.09 | kristian-m | daltona but i guess thats not the way the openmoko team plans to go. - they want to implement ldisc for gprs |
| 22:19.57 | daltona | kristian-m, yes, because for gprs, the data should go through a different mux channel |
| 22:20.21 | daltona | that way AT commands are still avail while a data connection is active |
| 22:20.36 | kristian-m | right |
| 22:20.48 | Ghiottone | daltona, detecting libnotify should be done with pkg-config |
| 22:21.29 | kristian-m | daltona hmm but right now the only way is pppd |
| 22:21.32 | daltona | Ghiottone, Yes, I allready added it to the configure.in If you have a suggestion for gps, I'm interested |
| 22:21.57 | daltona | kristian-m, having a different channel does not means that pppd will disapear |
| 22:22.52 | daltona | kristian-m, you can see the mux as several logical serial ports over a single physical serial port |
| 22:22.53 | Ghiottone | daltona, ah ok |
| 22:23.24 | kristian-m | daltona right - do you think it can already be activated? |
| 22:23.53 | daltona | kristian-m, not as far as I know |
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| 22:24.01 | kristian-m | daltona if we use gconf it'd be best if a central service triggers pppd |
| 22:24.12 | daltona | kristian-m, actually I'm waiting for that before playing with GPRS |
| 22:24.33 | kristian-m | daltona okay |
| 22:24.37 | daltona | kristian-m, In fact I also have a proposal in that area |
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| 22:25.28 | daltona | kristian-m, having a daemon that listens to network unreachable ICMP packets in order to automatically trigger a GPRS connection when an application is trying to access network |
| 22:26.31 | kristian-m | daltona sounds good |
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| 22:27.49 | daltona | Ghiottone, latest svn revision now checks libnotify and libmokogsmd2 |
| 22:28.17 | daltona | Ghiottone, I also added -lgps in the LDFLAGS, but There must be a better way, checking rigth now... |
| 22:28.39 | Ghiottone | daltona, what about gps.h? |
| 22:29.07 | ynezz | emdete: it should be SRCREV="${AUTOREV}", it gets last revision correctly but then it's screwed in svn co -r ${AUTOREV} |
| 22:29.18 | daltona | Ghiottone, I'm investigating, but basically, you just need to build gpsd in order to have it in your dev env ... |
| 22:31.30 | kristian-m | daltona okay i can start it now but i get an "Error gps_open", shell i power it up, or am i missong something else? |
| 22:32.25 | daltona | do you have gpsd running ? |
| 22:33.18 | daltona | kristian-m, do you have started gpsd ? |
| 22:33.30 | kristian-m | daltona ah that was it |
| 22:34.04 | kristian-m | what is on the second page? |
| 22:34.07 | daltona | kristian-m, But I agree I should not completely fail if gpsd is not started |
| 22:34.27 | daltona | kristian-m, your soon-to-be implemented bluetooth page ??? |
| 22:34.37 | kristian-m | daltona :-) |
| 22:34.42 | daltona | kristian-m, :) |
| 22:35.08 | kristian-m | daltona how have you managed to disable the keyboard from popping up on the eidt fields? |
| 22:35.19 | daltona | set them as not editable |
| 22:35.35 | daltona | the textview is editable though, should not ... |
| 22:36.19 | kristian-m | daltona well, that's not working in pygtk, then... |
| 22:36.57 | daltona | kristian-m, yes |
| 22:37.28 | daltona | kristian-m, I've just commited a new version wich will not fail when gpsd is not active |
| 22:37.31 | kristian-m | daltona maybe its a bug in textviews |
| 22:37.51 | kristian-m | daltona great, thanks |
| 22:37.58 | daltona | kristian-m, Let me verify if I actually set it as editable |
| 22:38.05 | daltona | or not |
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| 22:38.46 | daltona | kristian-m, yes it's not, so probably a bug... |
| 22:39.18 | daltona | Ghiottone, latest svn revision has the correct checks for all libs... |
| 22:40.59 | Ghiottone | daltona, I'm fetching it, but bitbake seems to ignore my DEPENDS variable |
| 22:41.30 | daltona | Ghiottone, ok |
| 22:43.23 | kristian-m | daltona how do "fill" in the empty textentries now? - any trigger? |
| 22:43.44 | kristian-m | daltona in your screenshot there was the power-btn menu rigth? |
| 22:44.19 | daltona | kristian-m, yep |
| 22:44.54 | daltona | kristian-m, I submitted a patch for some of the features |
| 22:45.28 | daltona | kristian-m, I can send you the ipk for my neod version if you like |
| 22:45.29 | kristian-m | daltona https://nopaste.eof.name/234 |
| 22:45.38 | kristian-m | daltona i got a dbus problem here, i guess |
| 22:46.27 | daltona | kristian-m, this is because It need to be started from dbus for gsm features |
| 22:46.30 | emdete | kristian-m: yes, dbus session can't be started from app, don't know why. but: i start it before the app |
| 22:47.04 | daltona | kristian-m, either you can start it from the terminal inside the phone (not ssh) or create a desktop entry for it |
| 22:47.10 | emdete | kristian-m: just export the env that is shown and everything works fine |
| 22:47.48 | daltona | kristian-m, from the command line, you can do dbus-launch mokostat |
| 22:48.28 | daltona | kristian-m, I meant for the ssh command line, ... |
| 22:48.56 | kristian-m | Ah, well i already got a menu entry, so i can use that then |
| 22:49.11 | kristian-m | daltona oh, okay better |
| 22:51.59 | kristian-m | daltona do you have the ipk online? |
| 22:53.01 | daltona | kristian-m, I can put it online if you wan |
| 22:53.51 | daltona | kristian-m, no actually I dont have the ipk.... |
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| 22:54.08 | kristian-m | daltona okay, but it's working now anyway |
| 22:54.17 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Application_Development_Crash_Course]] [[Current_events]] |
| 22:54.41 | daltona | It is based on an older version of neod so I cannot not get the ipk |
| 22:55.33 | daltona | I'll make the code cleaner and submit a patch over the newer SVN after a good night and my work day... |
| 22:56.00 | kristian-m | daltona how are you developing your program? - do you have a bb file or a special cross compile environment, with all libs you need? - are you using the stage dir for development? |
| 22:56.23 | daltona | kristian-m, I am using the stage dir |
| 22:56.24 | kristian-m | daltona great, take your time :-) |
| 22:57.22 | kristian-m | daltona so you just do some exports to build then? |
| 22:58.15 | daltona | kristian-m, yes PATH to cross/bin, PKG_CONFIG_PATH to stage/lib/pkgconfig and CC to arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi |
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| 22:58.55 | daltona | kristian-m, But It will be WAY better with Ghiottone's bb file that I will be glad to add in the svn ! |
| 22:59.22 | kristian-m | daltona thats all? okay, then i can just extend my setup-env - thanks :-) |
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| 22:59.56 | daltona | kristian-m, yes it is |
| 23:00.32 | daltona | kristian-m, BTW SMS tool directly uses atcmd or uses some libgsmd APIs ? |
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| 23:03.17 | kristian-m | daltona it uses libgsmd-tool via subprocess and pipes - in shell mode |
| 23:03.25 | kristian-m | daltona quick and dirty ;-) |
| 23:03.39 | ynezz | emdete: with this patch http://ynezz.true.cz/autorev-fix.patch SRCREV="${AUTOREV}" works for me |
| 23:03.47 | daltona | kristian-m, Ghiottone : You both have additional votes for GTA02 ! |
| 23:04.27 | daltona | kristian-m, ok that's what I'd guessed |
| 23:04.51 | daltona | kristian-m, still it allows SMS in openmoko ! |
| 23:05.39 | kristian-m | daltona thanks, you should get some too! |
| 23:06.13 | kristian-m | daltona well, it was hard to get there too, libgsmd-tool is strange code too |
| 23:06.47 | daltona | kristian-m, yes it is ! |
| 23:06.51 | emdete | ynezz: so AUTOREV is filled correctly? |
| 23:07.10 | emdete | ynezz: and contains the head revision? |
| 23:07.16 | kristian-m | daltona one should introduce functions there... |
| 23:07.56 | ynezz | emdete: yes |
| 23:08.16 | daltona | kristian-m, yeah, this is one of the things I'd like to do when I'll be done on my GPS long-planned features... |
| 23:08.17 | emdete | ynezz: that's quite cool - thnx, will check that. |
| 23:10.25 | emdete | ynezz: wow, and PR = "r${SRCREV}" works too |
| 23:11.45 | Ghiottone | back |
| 23:11.50 | Ghiottone | I built mokostats |
| 23:11.55 | Ghiottone | and it's up and working |
| 23:12.12 | Ghiottone | although partially |
| 23:13.00 | daltona | Ghiottone, what's wrong ? |
| 23:13.36 | emdete | ynezz: oups... with that it started a new path, now it is in build/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv4t/morgue instead in build/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv4t - what's that? |
| 23:13.39 | Ghiottone | gsmd panel is empty |
| 23:13.49 | Ghiottone | but maybe it's because I don't have a sim in :) |
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| 23:13.59 | Ghiottone | but gps data are empty as well |
| 23:14.05 | Ghiottone | should I start gpsd manually? |
| 23:14.22 | daltona | Ghiottone, yes you have to |
| 23:14.45 | Ghiottone | ok. then I'll add it to RDEPENDS as well |
| 23:14.48 | daltona | Ghiottone, what do you mean by gsmd panel is empty ? |
| 23:15.47 | Ghiottone | it's not showing anything at all |
| 23:16.05 | daltona | Like the second tab + |
| 23:16.07 | Ghiottone | while the gps one has boxes and text with empty data |
| 23:16.39 | daltona | expected |
| 23:17.01 | Ghiottone | emdete, what did you change to have SRCREV correctly set |
| 23:17.13 | Ghiottone | daltona, ah ok. I'm going to restart it with gpsd installed |
| 23:17.14 | daltona | for gsm, it's also expected to be empty while it does not receive gsm registration data |
| 23:17.21 | emdete | SRCREV = "${AUTOREV}" and the patch at http://ynezz.true.cz/autorev-fix.patch |
| 23:17.48 | daltona | Ghiottone, yes that will be better, and you will even see the GPS fix box ! |
| 23:18.00 | emdete | Ghiottone: but that has another strange effect - "morgue/" is added to the path now... |
| 23:18.08 | daltona | libnotify is something I was waiting since a long time ... |
| 23:18.27 | Ghiottone | Starting gpsd: No /dev/ttyS3 device, aborting gpsd startup. |
| 23:18.30 | Ghiottone | what's that? |
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| 23:18.47 | daltona | allow to display little popups on the screen |
| 23:19.15 | kristian-m | Ghiottone i had that too, only on installation though |
| 23:19.20 | daltona | timed, stacked, information popup windows |
| 23:19.38 | Ghiottone | emdete, that patch gose to bitbake? |
| 23:19.45 | Ghiottone | s/gose/goes/ |
| 23:20.06 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, I'm trying to restart it but it shows again. should I reboot? |
| 23:20.25 | kristian-m | Ghiottone nop, it should work |
| 23:20.50 | kristian-m | Ghiottone just try gpsd start |
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| 23:22.48 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, it doesn't work. nor with gsmd start and neither with /etc/init.d/gsmd start |
| 23:23.03 | Ghiottone | shouldn't the gps chip be enabled somehow? |
| 23:23.51 | kristian-m | Ghiottone hmm, well here the process runs but doesn't get a lock, so maybe it really is not working still |
| 23:24.44 | kristian-m | Ghiottone ttyS3 is missing, right |
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| 23:32.39 | kristian-m | Ghiottone hmpf the gpsd initscript has that same stop kills itself bug as gsmd and pulsaudio had |
| 23:32.58 | Ghiottone | rofl |
| 23:34.06 | Ghiottone | that explains why it does not restart but just stops |
| 23:34.13 | Ghiottone | but why it does not start? |
| 23:34.32 | Ghiottone | after a reboot it still complains about ttyS3 not present |
| 23:37.43 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, shouldn't gllin be needed for it to work? |
| 23:41.25 | emdete | on the neo the gps is /dev/ttySAC? as far as i know - i don't think the gpsd is ready for the gps chip of the neo.... |
| 23:41.58 | daltona | Ghiottone, either gllin, or a bluetooth GPS module |
| 23:42.25 | daltona | I use a bluetooth GPS module |
| 23:42.41 | mwester | Yes, the gps speaks the raw proprietary protocol on /dev/ttySAC1, and gllin makes the NMEA data visibile on a different device that gpsd should read. |
| 23:42.43 | Ghiottone | daltona, agh that's why |
| 23:43.45 | Ghiottone | rofl |
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| 23:44.13 | kristian-m | daltona so you use a bt gps then? |
| 23:44.26 | daltona | kristian-m, yes |
| 23:44.43 | kristian-m | daltona but that's not connecting to ttyS3 right? |
| 23:44.50 | daltona | kristian-m, no |
| 23:45.15 | daltona | kristian-m, it's connected to /dev/rfcomm0 |
| 23:46.04 | daltona | but one should first activate BT, then open rfcomm channel to the BT chip and then it's done |
| 23:46.42 | mjr | yeah it's a bit of a disappointment |
| 23:47.04 | daltona | kristian-m, unfortunately, no open drivers yet |
| 23:47.39 | Ghiottone | daltona, where do you want me to send the bb file? |
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| 23:48.05 | Ghiottone | it is still experimental but working. will be better after autorev fixing |
| 23:48.11 | daltona | Ghiottone, alex _at_ alexdalton.org please |
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| 23:48.41 | daltona | Ghiottone, I will commit it to mokostats svn tomorow |
| 23:48.50 | daltona | Ghiottone, Thanks a lot ! |
| 23:49.10 | Ghiottone | daltona, you're welcome. |
| 23:49.11 | daltona | nice to talk with you guys ! see ya ! |
| 23:49.26 | Ghiottone | bye |
| 23:51.06 | kristian-m | daltona thank you, cu |
| 23:51.54 | kristian-m | hmm - http://www.openmoko.org.pl/node/55 |
| 23:52.22 | kristian-m | ^ GPS with gllin on OM2007.2 (bin driver in changeroot) |
| 23:53.07 | Ghiottone | yeah but it is not ther |
| 23:53.16 | Ghiottone | chroot has not got any gllin bin |
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| 23:55.37 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, what about setup.py for smstool? |
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