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| 00:15.00 | cesarb | | checking for WEBKITGDK... configure: error: Package requirements (WebKitGdk) were not met: |
| 00:15.28 | cesarb | looks like midori didn't catch up with the rename yet... that, or my 1-day-old build is out-of-date |
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| 00:26.39 | sagacis | hey hey |
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| 00:36.30 | sagacis | cesarb: I built OK just now. |
| 00:37.27 | cesarb | sagacis: perhaps you didn't feel like cleaning up your whole build and doing a full rebuild before going to work. |
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| 00:42.12 | sagacis | Guess I'm just lazy. |
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| 00:44.54 | cesarb | ok, filed 3096 |
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| 00:49.57 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Unlikely]] [[Guitar_Tuning]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Ruggedized]] [[User_talk:Alessandro]] [[SettingsGUI]] |
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| 00:52.00 | orpheus | hi all |
| 00:52.30 | orpheus | anyone happen to know about how kernel-module-* ipk's are generated? |
| 00:52.59 | orpheus | i haven't managed to sort it out yet |
| 00:54.10 | mwester-laptop | They are built in the standard fashion, then there is special code in OE that sorts out the ko's to individual ipkgs. |
| 00:54.35 | orpheus | any idea where in OE that lives? |
| 00:55.03 | orpheus | i mean, it ought to be in the bitbake stuff somewhere, right? |
| 00:55.41 | mwester-laptop | Start with the kernel recipe. openembedded/packages/linux/linux-openmoko_2.6.22.5.bb (or something similar, I'm typing from memory) |
| 00:55.49 | orpheus | i mean, it's really pretty magic; it's building and packaging things that aren't in the defconfig, so.. |
| 00:55.56 | orpheus | yeah |
| 00:56.08 | orpheus | I traced back up to the arch_kernel class |
| 00:56.10 | mwester-laptop | Oh, its in the defconfig all right. |
| 00:56.18 | orpheus | .... |
| 00:56.40 | mwester-laptop | Perhaps if you outline the problem you've encountered... |
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| 00:56.54 | orpheus | ok, well, here goes |
| 00:57.12 | orzo | after i finish with MokoMakefile, where does it put the image it built? |
| 00:57.13 | orpheus | i'm trying to get a usb camera working with the moko |
| 00:57.39 | orpheus | orzo: build/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01 |
| 00:57.56 | orpheus | mwester: i've gotten usb host working |
| 00:58.49 | orpheus | mwester: but the video drivers are (understandably) not included in the default kernel or modules |
| 00:58.59 | mwester-laptop | Makes sense. |
| 00:59.09 | orzo | orpheus: thanks |
| 00:59.29 | orpheus | i've tried just turning on v4l and it's usb drivers in the defconfig, but they don't get packaged |
| 01:00.01 | orpheus | probably because what i really need to be doing is making a kernel-module-usbvideo package |
| 01:01.17 | orpheus | but now i'm not real clear about how any of the kernel-module-* packages get built |
| 01:01.26 | mwester-laptop | Which defconfig have you changed, how have you done the build after you made the change? |
| 01:02.06 | orpheus | \/openembedded/packages/linux/linux-openmoko/defconfig-2.6.22.5-fic-gta01, and yes |
| 01:02.20 | orpheus | i've rebuilt the kernel and uimage |
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| 01:03.05 | mwester-laptop | Did you bump the PR? |
| 01:03.21 | orpheus | ... |
| 01:03.25 | orpheus | urmm |
| 01:03.33 | orpheus | i'm gonna go with no |
| 01:03.53 | orpheus | ... what's the PR? |
| 01:04.35 | orpheus | aside from something else to put on the KernelHackingAndYou wiki page |
| 01:05.59 | mwester-laptop | Package Revision, IIRC. Its a variable set inside the .bb file -- when you change something in the bb file, or something it depends upon (like the defconfig), you increment the PR. A full integer for a formal change (2->3), decimal for a local change (2->2.1). |
| 01:06.34 | orpheus | oh |
| 01:06.50 | mwester-laptop | Bitbake will then see that the existing kernel work directory in build/tmp/work is outdated, extract a new set of sources (and put in your new defconfig), and build and stage that. |
| 01:07.02 | orpheus | this would probably keep me from having to -crebuild it |
| 01:07.39 | mwester-laptop | Correct - you would do that when you wanted to start a package (or kernel, in this case) from scratch. |
| 01:07.45 | mwester-laptop | There's a more efficient way. |
| 01:08.03 | orpheus | alrighty, well, that's handy to know |
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| 01:08.26 | mwester-laptop | cd build/tmp/work/fic-whatever-the-heck-it-is/linux-openmoko-lots-of-stuff/linux_2.6.22.5 |
| 01:08.57 | mwester-laptop | Edit the ".config" or use "make ARCH=arm menuconfig" or whatever |
| 01:09.25 | orpheus | and then put it back as the defconfig |
| 01:09.51 | mwester-laptop | then delete the stamp that tells bitbake that the kernel has already been compiled: rm build/tmp/stamps/fic-horrible-long-name/kernel-openmoko-whatever_do_compile.<datetimestamp> |
| 01:10.08 | mwester-laptop | Then just build: bitbake kernel-openmoko |
| 01:10.08 | orpheus | is that how it knows? cool... |
| 01:10.34 | mwester-laptop | And it'll compile it, then because the compile is newer, run the rest of the packaging. |
| 01:10.59 | orpheus | any ideas on how the kernel-module-* packages get built? |
| 01:11.26 | orpheus | since there is a graceful way to package modules like these, It'd be nice to do it that way |
| 01:11.48 | mwester-laptop | They'll be packaged just by virtue of being created in the correct fashion. |
| 01:12.02 | mwester-laptop | You'll see the kernel-module-<foo>.ipk files appear. |
| 01:12.11 | orpheus | really? wow |
| 01:13.08 | mwester-laptop | The only thing that might not be quite right, and I'm not sure where this is set, is if your kernel-module depends on something, like an external package such as the PVR card drivers depend on a separate firmware pacakge. |
| 01:13.28 | orpheus | it seems as though recently, the build/tmp/work/fic-whatever-the-heck-it-is/linux-openmoko-lots-of-stuff/linux_2.6.22.5 directory has been getting wiped out after the build is done, any ideas? |
| 01:13.40 | mwester-laptop | There's actually a way, IIRC, that you can specify that dependency so that "ipkg install kernel-module-foo" will go download and install the firmware too. |
| 01:14.00 | mwester-laptop | Ah - do you have that magic do-rm-work flag set? |
| 01:14.11 | orpheus | i suspect i do |
| 01:14.13 | mwester-laptop | Saves disk space, but at a cost. |
| 01:14.25 | orpheus | make update may have changed it back |
| 01:14.27 | mwester-laptop | Find it, and remove it -- after you upgrade your hard drive if necessary! |
| 01:14.33 | orpheus | heh |
| 01:14.46 | mwester-laptop | I don't think the master makefile touches that status. |
| 01:15.54 | orpheus | well, thanks, and i'll probably be back in a sec with a result |
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| 01:21.33 | orpheus | Makefile, under setup-config: "echo 'INHERIT += "rm_work"' >> build/conf/local.conf" |
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| 01:43.13 | frma71 | If anyone is intrested I've got a workaround for the non-working dialtone for Qtopia on the neo at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Frma71 |
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| 01:47.13 | frma71 | s/dialtone/ring signal/ |
| 01:47.30 | ljp | I am just about to update the qtopia flash image |
| 01:47.57 | ljp | because i fixed audiostate handling in qtopia today |
| 01:50.00 | cesarb | ljp: it'll probably break again as soon as you go on any sort of leave/vacation ;-) |
| 01:52.03 | frma71 | ljp: Arghhh, I knew it would happend the same day i put some effort into it. |
| 01:52.40 | frma71 | ljp: Any progress on the suspend stuff ? |
| 01:53.09 | ljp | not yet, wanted to get audio working again first. :) |
| 01:53.10 | frma71 | ljp: Will that be part of tonights snapshot ? |
| 01:53.16 | frma71 | ljp: ok great ! |
| 01:53.20 | ljp | yes, it should |
| 01:53.31 | ljp | but I will also update the flash image as well |
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| 01:54.33 | frma71 | ljp: great, but the flash image is built without mediaengines right ? |
| 01:54.45 | cesarb | ljp: the wiki points to http://www.qtopia.net/modules/devices/openmoko.php, be sure to update there |
| 01:54.46 | ljp | cesarb: i dont have to go on holiday for it to break. you should have seen the theme yesterday |
| 01:56.01 | ljp | frma71: wav ringtones should work regardless of mediaengine |
| 01:56.47 | frma71 | ljp: Yes, but the mediaplayer is kind of useless, or did I miss something ? |
| 01:57.48 | ljp | well, I need to build/test gstreamer for qtopia really |
| 01:57.55 | frma71 | ljp: btw. How do I add my own application (separate binary) to the "Main Menu" |
| 01:58.46 | ljp | it'ss need to be a .qpk on a http server and then install it from the package manager |
| 01:58.53 | frma71 | ljp: I've hacked a simple remote control for mythtv that I'd like to be able to start without ssh. |
| 01:59.21 | frma71 | ljp: Ok, is that the only way ? the package manager crashes, but my image is a couple of days old. |
| 02:00.42 | ljp | hmm |
| 02:01.23 | ljp | frma71: yes, basically thats the olnly way, as qtopia keeps the data in its db |
| 02:01.33 | ljp | only |
| 02:02.16 | ljp | havent really tested package manager without SXE |
| 02:02.21 | orzo | i built the latest svn images |
| 02:02.27 | orzo | well, since this morning |
| 02:02.36 | orzo | should i flash them? |
| 02:02.47 | orzo | i mainly did it in order to have a build environment |
| 02:03.14 | mwester-laptop | Well of course - how else do you know if your build environment works? |
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| 02:03.28 | orzo | why wouldn't it work |
| 02:03.30 | orzo | heh |
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| 02:07.40 | frma71 | ljp: Hmmm... it downloads the package index, and I can choose install but then there is no confirm button and touching the menu crashes the package manager |
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| 02:14.44 | sagacis | I"m having md5 problems with the packages I built. |
| 02:15.17 | sagacis | Does anybody else see that? |
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| 02:21.34 | frma71 | ljp: Is the google sync implementation complete in qtopia ? |
| 02:25.09 | tuukkah | i'm not able to complete a build :-( i get at openmoko-devel-image-1.0-r0 do_rootfs: "ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-base: angstrom-version" |
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| 02:37.26 | orzo | my moko wont power on |
| 02:37.35 | orzo | how long before i can flash it? heh |
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| 02:38.17 | frma71 | orzo: Battery out/in, charging for 20min... |
| 02:39.04 | frma71 | Anyone knows how to trigger speed dial in qtopia ? |
| 02:39.32 | ljp | no speed dial in qtopia for touchscreen only devices currently |
| 02:39.39 | frma71 | ljp: ok |
| 02:40.13 | sagacis | Install a keypad? |
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| 02:47.45 | frma71 | nn |
| 02:49.17 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Ruggedized]] [[Gsmd/document]] [[Wishlist:Unlikely]] [[Frma71]] |
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| 02:54.38 | sagacis | My recent images are locking up. I'm rebuilding all now. |
| 02:55.04 | cesarb | sagacis: wow, you simply do not have luck with your builds, eh? |
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| 03:02.56 | sagacis | cesarb: Nope. I'm feeling pretty grumpy about it, too. |
| 03:03.33 | sagacis | I just ran "make force-rebuild". That seems to take a while. The "make all" is likely to take at least all night. |
| 03:03.41 | sagacis | hopefully after that, I'll have something I can use. |
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| 03:06.09 | sagacis | Back in a bit. I'm going to upgrade to pidgin |
| 03:06.15 | sagacis | /partall |
| 03:06.17 | sagacis | oops. |
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| 03:23.33 | cesarb | sagacis: if it makes you feel better, it took me a while too before everything started building fine (of course, I'm stubbornly refusing to change my /bin/sh symlink to /bin/dash) |
| 03:24.08 | sagacis | cesarb: I was building fine for over a month. |
| 03:24.13 | sagacis | This is recent. |
| 03:24.26 | cesarb | sagacis: it's annoying when that happens :( |
| 03:24.33 | sagacis | Yup. Joys of development. |
| 03:29.29 | cesarb | sagacis: living on the bleeding edge... |
| 03:29.31 | sagacis | A friend told me recently that our company lives on the edge of technology... |
| 03:29.31 | sagacis | Not the leading one, mind you, the other one |
| 03:29.31 | cesarb | sagacis: ah, but which edge? there's a sharp (bad pun) distinction between the leading and bleeding edges... |
| 03:29.31 | cesarb | damn I'm slow to type ;-) |
| 03:29.31 | cesarb | (of course, there's also the trailing edge... :D ) |
| 03:29.31 | sagacis | It's pretty safe on the trailing edge |
| 03:29.32 | sagacis | heh |
| 03:29.32 | sagacis | Maybe I can figure out how to get a vcr to record something. |
| 03:29.32 | cesarb | sagacis: the only problem with the trailing edge is when the world decides to pull a Y2K on you (or, as it happens almost every swearword year, change the DST rules again ;-) ) |
| 03:29.33 | sagacis | I guess we have to be resigned to rebuilding and hoping, eh? |
| 03:29.33 | cesarb | "There are no fixed start and end dates for summer time; they are decided every year by one or more decrees. [...] Sometimes these decrees are published very close to the start date, or even after it[1]." <- what I wrote at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Brazil |
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| 03:29.33 | sagacis | Wow. |
| 03:29.33 | sagacis | At least in the US it's normally pretty standard.... |
| 03:29.33 | sagacis | Except for this year. |
| 03:29.39 | sagacis | To save energy resources, they changed DST this year and next, as an experiment. |
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| 03:30.30 | cesarb | sagacis: us in Brazil were like "what's the big problem? it happens every year for us, and nothing breaks!" :D |
| 03:30.58 | sagacis | cesarb: Yeah, we were all just late to work for a few days. |
| 03:31.11 | sagacis | cesarb: We should just always be on DST. |
| 03:31.22 | cesarb | sagacis: that's not possible |
| 03:31.32 | cesarb | sagacis: if you were always in DST, that would become the normal time zone |
| 03:31.34 | sagacis | cesarb: I hate the changes. Have to get up earlier, etc. |
| 03:31.42 | cesarb | sagacis: which would mean you are not in DST anymore ;-) |
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| 03:31.57 | cesarb | sagacis: ah, but it's such a joy when it changes back ;-) |
| 03:32.16 | sagacis | cesarb: Another hour of trying to build moko |
| 03:32.25 | cesarb | (around here the change is always in a weekend, to give folks time to adjust themselves) |
| 03:33.25 | cesarb | Ah, and in a openmoko-related note, the auto-updating clock of cell phones tends to get really wonky in the week after the change... It is as if the change were a manual process in the base stations -- the time doesn't update for an arbitrary number of days |
| 03:33.30 | sagacis | cesarb: It's always on a weekend here, too. |
| 03:34.00 | sagacis | cesarb: It probably is a relatively manual process. I'm sure they have to propogate the change across towers. |
| 03:34.19 | sagacis | argh! I can't build pidgin either! |
| 03:34.57 | cesarb | well, I'd better go to sleep, as it's really late. night all. |
| 03:35.02 | sagacis | Speaking of time, I gotta get up early. |
| 03:35.04 | sagacis | heh... |
| 03:35.07 | sagacis | 'night |
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| 04:49.56 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Gsmd/document]] |
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| 04:57.28 | cb22 | hmm, looks like gta02s might be out in november |
| 04:57.46 | CM | Oh? |
| 04:58.11 | cb22 | in an email from Michael Shiloh <michael@openmoko.org> |
| 04:58.11 | cb22 | to List |
| 04:58.11 | cb22 | |
| 04:58.11 | cb22 | show details |
| 04:58.11 | cb22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.20 | cb22 | The November release of GTA02 is still aimed at |
| 04:58.21 | cb22 | developers |
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| 04:59.17 | mwester | Nov release => Dec ship .. that would be consistent with some of the other guestimates that have been made. |
| 04:59.33 | cb22 | nice |
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| 05:00.38 | encompass | very nice |
| 05:03.45 | blindcoder | moin |
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| 05:05.12 | orzo | what ap is responsible for the icons at the top? |
| 05:05.18 | orzo | they have disapeared for me |
| 05:05.47 | CM | Hmm.. Was it the battery status icon that was broken? |
| 05:06.30 | encompass | Is Openmoko looking for more ring tones? I could make a few if you like. :D |
| 05:07.29 | CM | encompass: I'm sure there can't be too many to chose from ;) |
| 05:08.30 | mwester | orzo: that's the panel. |
| 05:08.33 | mwester | The battery applet does that once in a while. |
| 05:08.51 | encompass | hehe, sounds great, I will see if I can submit them... I haven't uses a cvs different than bzr so this will be a new experience |
| 05:08.56 | mwester | If you wish, edit /etc/matchbox/session, last line, and remove the battery-applet command-line option. |
| 05:09.27 | orzo | i got a white screen with teh word today at the top and it wont show aps even if i run tehm with ssh |
| 05:10.07 | CM | encompass: Get them up anywhere so people can listen. Not sure how wansti does with his ringtones |
| 05:12.11 | encompass | CM: you bet, thanks |
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| 05:13.23 | CM | encompass: I'm not an employee or so, just so you know. :) |
| 05:13.45 | CM | encompass: But the more ringtones the better |
| 05:14.02 | encompass | I can always develop for open source :D |
| 05:14.40 | Any_Key | morning morning morning all |
| 05:14.46 | encompass | Any_Key: howdy |
| 05:14.52 | CM | Any_Key: Morning |
| 05:14.59 | CM | Did you see my replies last eve? |
| 05:15.10 | Any_Key | fine enough |
| 05:15.15 | Any_Key | CM, no |
| 05:15.27 | Any_Key | ~log |
| 05:15.27 | apt | rumour has it, log is as piece of wood, or a record, or the opposite of exponentiation |
| 05:15.32 | CM | Any_Key: http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/ts_harvest.out |
| 05:15.39 | CM | Any_Key: http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/ts_print.txt |
| 05:16.12 | CM | Basically, I got ok values except some negative ones when circling around the edge of the touchscreen |
| 05:16.41 | Any_Key | OK thanks alot |
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| 05:19.50 | orzo | hm, i rebooted and still no icons |
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| 05:25.24 | cb22 | the ar6k in the gta02, how will it be connected up? |
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| 05:52.40 | jeddy3 | Why haven't there been any updates on builthost images since 17sep?? :S |
| 06:02.28 | jorgenpt | ljp: Mornin'. I noticed someone mentioning GoogleSync in Qtopia - does ti work properly? |
| 06:03.33 | jorgenpt | s/ti/it/ |
| 06:05.16 | cjb_ie | yay regex :) |
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| 06:21.07 | jorgenpt | ljp: Synchronization of calendar versus Google, I assume |
| 06:21.12 | jorgenpt | (Google Calendar) |
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| 06:31.13 | doc|home | anyone know with the nov release, will it be a limited dev release or an open release like the most recent gta01 release? |
| 06:32.11 | doc|home | also, is it likely to have firmware problems that can only be fixed by sending it back to the factory? :/ I'm happy to have a semi-functioning phone, but don't want a brick when it gets to production releases :/ |
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| 06:40.39 | jorgenpt | doc|home: See topic, "(December as of last update)" |
| 06:41.00 | jorgenpt | doc|home: Also, GTA02 will be idiot-proofed with regards to bricking it with a firmware upgrade. |
| 06:41.18 | doc|home | I was the person who resulted in that being put in the topic :) I'm asking because of the current mails on the mailing list which suggest a dev version in nov |
| 06:41.33 | jorgenpt | doc|home: GTA01 _can_ be broken, but it requires quite a bit of sloppyness and anyone with the "advanced kit" can fix it for you. |
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| 06:41.48 | jorgenpt | Oh, okay. Sorry, I guess I'm a bit behind on the ML then. :-) |
| 06:42.00 | doc|home | sure, but if a bug in the firmware is found, you can't flash it yourself due to nda |
| 06:42.07 | jorgenpt | NDA? |
| 06:42.23 | jorgenpt | Define "firmware", please. Are you talking about OM itself and the Linux kernel? |
| 06:42.25 | doc|home | and that'd be my only fear, I can live with a not-entirely stable phone, once it's not inherently flawed |
| 06:42.32 | doc|home | no, gps chips, gsm chips |
| 06:43.47 | jorgenpt | I'd hardly think the GSM & GPS chips have any breaking firmware-bugs, but even if you mis-flashed it (assuming you can flash it), the phone would still operate, so couldn't you just reflash? |
| 06:44.01 | jorgenpt | But I'm not familiar enough with the internals of the GSM & GPS to talk about it. |
| 06:44.11 | jorgenpt | Though I heard they were going for another GPS chip for GTA02? |
| 06:44.18 | CM | The gsm chip has a problem right now |
| 06:44.22 | doc|home | not if there's a bug in the firmware, that was a worry when certain at&t (*spit*) sims wouldn't work, that it was a firmware bug |
| 06:44.40 | doc|home | CM: right, and can't be fixed without returning the unit, right? :/ |
| 06:44.41 | CM | But according to a comment on bug 666 yesterday ti has released new firmware |
| 06:44.58 | CM | doc|home: I suspect so, but I don't know |
| 06:45.09 | doc|home | someone here mentioned NDA restrictions :/ |
| 06:45.34 | jorgenpt | I thought the NDA restrictions were related to open driver-development for the GPS chip? |
| 06:45.34 | CM | Well, I'm still not able to call with OpenMoko |
| 06:45.49 | jorgenpt | CM: That can't be a firmwar bug? |
| 06:45.54 | jorgenpt | firmware* |
| 06:46.05 | CM | jorgenpt: No, that's just kernel and gsmd problems |
| 06:46.14 | CM | Qtopia wokrs |
| 06:46.17 | CM | works |
| 06:46.24 | jorgenpt | What does Qtopia use differently? Same kernel, right? |
| 06:46.31 | CM | Yes, same kernel |
| 06:47.01 | CM | But it handles the gsm modem differently and doesn't get stuck on all the crap coming from it ;) |
| 06:47.08 | jorgenpt | Okay ;P |
| 06:47.39 | CM | But qtopia doesn't power off correctly for me, soesn't turn off the lcd and so on |
| 06:47.42 | Any_Key | CM hello to working people |
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| 06:47.48 | CM | Any_Key: :-) |
| 06:48.10 | CM | ljp: Nice, I'll try right away :) |
| 06:48.40 | jorgenpt | ljp: Suspend working, or isn't it done yet? |
| 06:48.54 | ljp | not done yet |
| 06:49.13 | ljp | i was working on audio stuff |
| 06:49.27 | CM | Ringtone this time? :D |
| 06:49.37 | ljp | yep |
| 06:50.17 | jorgenpt | ljp: Does it switch between alsastates automagically now? |
| 06:50.51 | ljp | yes |
| 06:51.07 | CM | Any way to adjust sidetone and speaker volume in the gui? |
| 06:51.12 | ljp | havent test bluetooth audio though |
| 06:51.22 | jorgenpt | Okay |
| 06:51.23 | ljp | CM: not yet |
| 06:51.40 | CM | Ok. alsamixer is fine ;) |
| 06:51.57 | jorgenpt | ljp: Do you kill gsm & amp at shutdown? |
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| 06:52.05 | jorgenpt | ljp: AT@POFF and some kernel patch, someone said. ;-) |
| 06:52.19 | jorgenpt | (do you have a revision-log somewhere, or another type of changelog?) |
| 06:54.52 | ljp | no public changelog, really |
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| 06:54.57 | jorgenpt | ok |
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| 07:14.41 | Ralph | einen schönen guten Morgen meine Leidensgenossen! :) |
| 07:15.30 | Ralph | is there a solution to that sigfault problem with the dialer? |
| 07:15.33 | Ralph | yet? |
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| 07:17.14 | mbuf | how do i find out the image version used on the phone? |
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| 07:20.59 | Ralph | aehhm - something went wrong with my newst update/build - I dont even get any UI now - only D-bus library appears to be incorrectly set up.... |
| 07:21.06 | Ralph | AAAHHHARRRRRR!! :( |
| 07:21.53 | CM | Ralph: Oh, I finished a build last night, flashed it this morning |
| 07:21.58 | CM | Worked for me |
| 07:22.39 | CM | Well, calling didn't work out of the box. Still not patched.. |
| 07:26.07 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:28.00 | XorA | Ralph: are you missing /usr/bin/dbus-daemon? |
| 07:28.56 | Any_Key | CM, as I see in ts_harvest.out there is HUGE difference between expected and measured values |
| 07:29.18 | CM | Any_Key: Yes, I noticed that too. Can't say why though. |
| 07:29.50 | CM | Any_Key: What I did in those logs was either tapping quickly, slowly, drawing lines or drawing circles |
| 07:30.18 | CM | I used the stylus too, not my finger |
| 07:31.18 | Any_Key | CM can you put full file somewhere I'll try to analyze pattern, It might be software related, the same behavior in qemu |
| 07:31.37 | mbuf | any suggestions on this? http://pastebin.ca/722699 using OM2007.2 |
| 07:31.54 | CM | Any_Key: I'll make a longer log later. That is the full file :/ |
| 07:32.39 | CM | Any_Key: Or maybe someone here have their Neo around and can make a log right away. :) |
| 07:32.51 | Any_Key | CM, little boring to tap, ugh? |
| 07:33.15 | CM | Any_Key: Hehe.. Naa.. But I'm at work and have left the phone at home |
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| 07:34.13 | Any_Key | CM, Yap I remember, you ssh-ing in a lot :-) |
| 07:34.13 | CM | Any_Key: What would give the best data? |
| 07:35.07 | CM | I mean what kind of tapping or drawing |
| 07:35.16 | aloril | (script) planet: Thomas Wood: Two Neo1973s calling each other http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2007/10/02/two-neo1973s-calling-each-other/ |
| 07:35.42 | CM | Writing a spiral or so can give 50-60 points, but tapping gives 3-4 or so |
| 07:35.43 | Any_Key | CM, only ts_harvest i think |
| 07:35.50 | CM | *nod* |
| 07:36.27 | edistar | hello, can someone help me? I'm still trying to compile an openmoko-devel-image and get this error now: http://nopaste.org/p/aAaWaQpNJ |
| 07:36.44 | Any_Key | CM, it pretty long, and fills the screen with defined dots |
| 07:37.53 | CM | Any_Key: Ah, ok. I ran it on qtopia and I think it borked a bit. I'll try it on OM when I get home today, just flashed a new image |
| 07:38.39 | mbuf | how do i find out which version of OM2007.2 I am running on the device? |
| 07:39.02 | Any_Key | CM, you are the best |
| 07:39.29 | CM | mbuf: The kernel is easy, but the rootfs I don't really know how to check |
| 07:39.53 | mbuf | CM, uname -a does tell the kernel; rootfs is something I am interested in |
| 07:40.04 | CM | mbuf: Maybe check when the root folder was created? |
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| 07:40.28 | edistar | how can I fix this: hello_world.c:0: error: bad value (armv4) for -march= switch |
| 07:40.31 | CM | mbuf: But that only tells you when you flashed it.. |
| 07:40.51 | CM | edistar: Are you trying to build for i486? |
| 07:41.01 | mbuf | CM, i have put the OM2007.2/ folder in one of the folders, and found the snapshot images there, thanks :) |
| 07:41.07 | edistar | CM: yes, I am wondering why it wants to crosscompile |
| 07:41.22 | Ralph | so back again |
| 07:41.28 | Ralph | well i am stunned |
| 07:41.40 | Ralph | its just getting worse |
| 07:41.55 | Ralph | new image -> less functionality |
| 07:41.55 | CM | I wonder that too. Built the image tonight on 64-bit, no problem with uboot there |
| 07:42.16 | CM | Ralph: I think it's been that way for a month now |
| 07:42.25 | Ralph | yes |
| 07:42.55 | Ralph | i am building now with a amd64 host - psyco dont work for those :( |
| 07:43.01 | Ralph | but its still faster |
| 07:43.23 | edistar | CM: did you check my link? It seems to wan to build for gta01, and btw I wrote i686 not i486 in the local.conf |
| 07:43.42 | CM | edistar: Why not building for arm? |
| 07:44.13 | edistar | CM: don't have a gta01 ;) and I tried to emulate the arm but it was really slow |
| 07:44.21 | CM | Ah, ok |
| 07:44.37 | edistar | Ralph: is it much faster with 64-bit? |
| 07:44.38 | CM | And you want xoo instead or so? |
| 07:44.45 | edistar | CM: xephyr |
| 07:44.46 | CM | edistar: To compile |
| 07:44.49 | CM | *nod* |
| 07:44.58 | Ralph | CM: should i try to build again right now- or better wait for now? |
| 07:45.08 | Ralph | using an old stable one? |
| 07:45.19 | CM | Ralph: I'd use a known working one |
| 07:45.43 | Ralph | which one has gsm working |
| 07:46.10 | Ralph | ? |
| 07:46.24 | CM | Ralph: The only image I've ever been able to call with is ScaredyCat's from Sept 03 |
| 07:46.27 | edistar | Ralph: I think the ones till 3 september |
| 07:46.35 | mbuf | Ralph, yes, I would like to know which OM2007.2 image has gsm working as well |
| 07:46.54 | CM | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/OpenMoko-scaredycat-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-August-Snapshot-20070903-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 07:47.02 | Ralph | ok thanks guys - ill install that - want to start developing my stuff finaly :) |
| 07:47.16 | Ralph | which kernel would you suggest to that? |
| 07:47.18 | edistar | CM: so you have no idea how to fix my problem?:( |
| 07:47.43 | CM | edistar: No, not really. I assume you're following the wiki? |
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| 07:47.53 | CM | ScaredyCat: Hey there |
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| 07:48.25 | CM | ScaredyCat: What kernel is good with your Sept 03 image? uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11-r1-fic-gta01.bin I guess |
| 07:48.44 | CM | Ralph: My guess: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11-r1-fic-gta01.bin |
| 07:49.07 | Ralph | ok thx CM |
| 07:49.28 | Ralph | is there a way to directly gcc on neo? |
| 07:49.53 | edistar | CM: yes, even took no risks and used the settings from the wiki exactly for my local.conf |
| 07:50.09 | edistar | Ralph: would be very slow.. |
| 07:50.33 | Ralph | not for my little bits of software |
| 07:50.47 | CM | edistar: You can disable building uboot somehow, but I can't remember how. I think it's in the mailinglists or some bug-report |
| 07:51.00 | edistar | CM: ok |
| 07:51.03 | edistar | CM: thx |
| 07:51.29 | CM | Ralph: I'm sure you can install gcc as an ipkg, just build it and copy over :) |
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| 07:56.03 | Ralph | ok - can I build it with the latest devel src? -would it work on that old rootfs? |
| 07:56.49 | edistar | Ralph: should do, the rootfs isn't that old |
| 07:57.10 | Ralph | alright |
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| 08:08.14 | ScaredyCat | blah! |
| 08:08.18 | ScaredyCat | hey CM |
| 08:13.06 | CM | ScaredyCat: Bad connection? |
| 08:14.05 | ScaredyCat | yeah, much like my journey in today - 'Road Closed' or 'Diversion' :/ |
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| 08:21.10 | FuzzyCat | ljp, bluetooth seems busticulated |
| 08:21.37 | ljp | how so? |
| 08:21.52 | FuzzyCat | it doesn;t see the device |
| 08:21.58 | FuzzyCat | 'bluetoth not available' |
| 08:22.53 | ljp | which version? the preview? |
| 08:23.28 | FuzzyCat | snapshot from 27th and 30th |
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| 08:29.30 | mbuf | how to invoke the keyboard for the terminal on OM2007.2 |
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| 08:48.56 | thos | ScaredyCat: hey, do you have any local patches in your build at the moment? |
| 08:49.20 | ScaredyCat | no... no local patches to kernel. |
| 08:49.39 | thos | ScaredyCat: I meant to any bb files |
| 08:50.10 | thos | ScaredyCat: at least, I still have a patch to the openmoko-dates bb file and I'd be surprised if anyone could build without it |
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| 08:50.42 | ScaredyCat | mmm.... everything seems to build fine.. did one last night |
| 08:50.49 | CM | Here too |
| 08:50.50 | thos | hmm |
| 08:50.56 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:MokoMakefile]] [[OpenMoko:Community_Portal]] |
| 08:50.59 | thos | did openmoko-dates2 build ok then? |
| 08:51.25 | thos | ScaredyCat: and do you know what revision? |
| 08:51.33 | thos | ScaredyCat: I presume you are not using autorev? |
| 08:52.38 | CM | openmoko-dates2-0.1.0+svnr563-r0 built at 2007-10-01 22:24 for me |
| 08:53.36 | thos | oh that's quite old |
| 08:53.42 | thos | latest revision is 617 |
| 08:53.59 | CM | I guess they have a locked src-rev in oe then |
| 08:54.30 | XorA | thos: shout if you need rev bumping or patches applied |
| 08:54.52 | thos | XorA: well I did the other week :-P |
| 08:54.55 | Ralph | HA! wonderful! the old image can make a phonecall!!! |
| 08:55.05 | thos | Ralph: ? |
| 08:55.23 | Ralph | what happend that it kept getting worse? |
| 08:55.24 | XorA | thos: just give me a known working rev and Ill update |
| 08:56.15 | CM | Ralph: I think it's changes to both gsmd and the kernel |
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| 08:56.21 | Ralph | i dont know why I had to boot it twice - than had to stop the UI and the gsmd just to restart it - but then it worked just fine :) |
| 08:56.39 | CM | Heh, obviously.. But I'm not sure what the changes were good for |
| 08:56.39 | thos | XorA: latest :-) |
| 08:56.40 | emdete | i just build an image and had some ssl-certificate trouble when downloadind (fonts). i put 'check_certificate = no' into ~/.wgetrc, is that normal? |
| 08:56.53 | thos | XorA: 617 for dates |
| 08:57.19 | Ralph | they obviously where not god for the phone-funktionality ;) |
| 08:57.38 | XorA | thos: dates2? |
| 08:57.43 | thos | XorA: yes |
| 08:57.53 | thos | Ralph: new images should be much better at making phone calls |
| 08:58.00 | XorA | thos: testing |
| 08:58.11 | Ralph | well - i also found that the libgsm-tools had much less options - but they worked |
| 08:58.37 | Ralph | thos - no i dont think so - probably we wont never be abel to phone again :) |
| 08:58.43 | CM | thos: I think the problem is that none of the new images work out of the box. Not even with some simple gsmd restart or so |
| 08:58.50 | thos | XorA: I expect you will need the gtk doc pre-configure foo |
| 08:59.14 | thos | CM, Ralph: well considering I made phone calls between two neos "out of the box" yesterday... |
| 08:59.26 | CM | thos: I saw the video ;) |
| 08:59.34 | Ralph | come guys - lets take that old revision and start over again from there , wont you? |
| 08:59.37 | thos | CM, Ralph: this is why I'm just making sure people have updated srcrevs |
| 08:59.56 | Ralph | which image did you use thos? |
| 09:00.02 | thos | Ralph: my own |
| 09:00.13 | XorA | thos: where do I nick that from? |
| 09:00.30 | thos | XorA: +do_configure_prepend() { |
| 09:00.30 | thos | + touch gtk-doc.make |
| 09:00.30 | thos | +} |
| 09:00.56 | Ralph | what is the base of your build? |
| 09:01.10 | thos | Ralph: base? |
| 09:01.27 | Ralph | yeah, where did you get it from and when? make update? |
| 09:01.53 | thos | Ralph: I don't use MokoMakefile |
| 09:02.08 | Ralph | my latest build is from yesterday and it didnt even start up the GUI |
| 09:02.22 | XorA | Ralph: you never answered the question I asked |
| 09:02.23 | Ralph | allright then, thos, what did you do ? |
| 09:02.45 | thos | Ralph: mtn pull; mtn up; cd ..; bitbake openmoko-devel-image ;-) |
| 09:02.46 | Ralph | XorA sorry- what did you ask? |
| 09:02.52 | XorA | Ralph: are you missing /usr/bin/dbus-daemon? |
| 09:02.57 | thos | Ralph: I could put the images up somewhere if people want |
| 09:03.24 | thos | Ralph: I have autorev enabled which makes sure I get the latest of anything from svn |
| 09:03.25 | Ralph | oh! well, i have to get back to the new image to check that |
| 09:03.57 | Ralph | well thos - how about a mini-howto for us? |
| 09:04.20 | Ralph | so that we can setup a working development enviroment finally? |
| 09:05.13 | thos | Ralph: do you want a development environment, or do you want to build images |
| 09:05.20 | thos | Ralph: the two don't have to be the same |
| 09:05.22 | Ralph | XorA - if dbus would run - do you think that i would have been able to dial out? |
| 09:05.36 | thos | Ralph: if dbus is broken, the UI is not going to work properly |
| 09:05.50 | Ralph | sure |
| 09:06.03 | Ralph | but why was it broken on a new image? ;) |
| 09:06.10 | XorA | Ralph: there was a bug fixed yesterday where dbus-daemon was missed from image, if you happened to build just beffore that point, stuuff wouldd be broken |
| 09:06.30 | Ralph | thos - i want to be up to date with the rootfs while working on my own apps |
| 09:06.59 | Ralph | aha XorA - good to know |
| 09:07.25 | XorA | Ralph: just do make update; make openmoko-devel-image and your new image will probably work |
| 09:07.28 | Ralph | so - than i am going to make update again and start over? |
| 09:07.38 | XorA | Ralph: no start over, just make a new image |
| 09:07.50 | Ralph | aha ok |
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| 09:07.58 | XorA | Ralph: unless something went terminally wrong there is no need to destroy what you already built |
| 09:07.59 | Ralph | no make clobber , right? |
| 09:08.06 | XorA | yeah, none of that |
| 09:08.15 | Ralph | thats good news XorA |
| 09:08.43 | Ralph | i am doing so now - reporting back as soon as i have running my new image on my neo |
| 09:08.46 | Ralph | thx allot! |
| 09:08.52 | CM | XorA: I had to do a clean rebuild yesterday. Something was wrong with icu and I just couldn't figure out what |
| 09:09.26 | XorA | CM: rebuilding should be discouraged except where failure is truly terminal |
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| 09:10.17 | CM | XorA: Of course, but it's usually an easy fix |
| 09:10.33 | thos | Ralph: I'll see what I can do |
| 09:10.42 | XorA | CM: I just feel sorry for people waiting another 8 hours |
| 09:10.45 | thos | Ralph: one problem is I also have an unreleased patch to bitbake for svn revisions |
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| 09:11.32 | Ralph | bitbake is in the makemoko |
| 09:13.10 | Ralph | thos - however - we should find a way to shorten the time for updating the system |
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| 09:13.51 | Ralph | someone using psyco? |
| 09:14.02 | XorA | not me, doesnt run on amd64 |
| 09:14.13 | Ralph | thats what i found too |
| 09:14.21 | Ralph | why? |
| 09:14.39 | Ralph | its a source distribution |
| 09:14.47 | XorA | its a JIT, and doesnt make code for x86_64 |
| 09:14.58 | Ralph | there should be way to build it for amd64 |
| 09:15.08 | Ralph | oh! ic |
| 09:15.20 | Ralph | well - that a bigger issue here |
| 09:15.21 | Ralph | :) |
| 09:15.44 | Ralph | is it really that faster? |
| 09:16.06 | XorA | Ralph: I notice no difference on amd64 |
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| 09:16.41 | Ralph | you cant- there is no psyco for amd64 |
| 09:17.22 | thos | Ralph: well, ideally buildhost would be updated every day I guess |
| 09:17.39 | Ralph | why dont openmoko have a big sun or whatever to build regulary |
| 09:17.58 | thos | no idea |
| 09:18.03 | CM | Ralph: They do have a build host, it's just not running |
| 09:18.13 | XorA | Ralph: if I run psyco on 32bit on amd64 I notice no speed increase |
| 09:18.25 | Ralph | some company could do that for us - like IBM or such |
| 09:18.40 | XorA | thos: update is pushed |
| 09:18.47 | Ralph | oh - how can you rung 32bit on 64? |
| 09:19.04 | XorA | Ralph: what distro do you use |
| 09:19.24 | Ralph | on my build host? debian |
| 09:19.36 | XorA | Ralph: then use debootstrap to create a 32bit chroot |
| 09:20.19 | Ralph | aha - cool -didnt know that - however - you allready told me that there was no difference |
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| 09:23.14 | thos | XorA: so can we push a few more srcrevs now then? |
| 09:24.24 | CM | XorA: Please add the patch in http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=747 too. It's a pain when the builds break after 6h every time |
| 09:24.28 | Ralph | thos - what are you talking about? |
| 09:24.30 | ScaredyCat | Ralph: vmware |
| 09:24.56 | Ralph | vmware? |
| 09:25.00 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 09:25.01 | CM | Hmm.. Not every time, but every time you restart |
| 09:25.02 | thos | Ralph: sorry? |
| 09:25.02 | ScaredyCat | vmware |
| 09:25.18 | ScaredyCat | <Ralph> oh - how can you rung 32bit on 64? |
| 09:25.33 | CM | Or a 32-bit chroot :) |
| 09:25.35 | Ralph | i see |
| 09:25.37 | ScaredyCat | yes.. |
| 09:25.47 | ScaredyCat | but vmware means it's portable |
| 09:26.00 | Ralph | ok that says it al |
| 09:26.11 | ScaredyCat | ie scp user@host:/vmware/ ./ |
| 09:26.15 | Ralph | thos - what do you push? |
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| 09:28.59 | thos | Ralph: more updated srcrevs |
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| 09:30.16 | XorA | thos: if you can feed me a list of known working ones, I can update |
| 09:30.30 | XorA | thos: its my job :-) |
| 09:30.41 | thos | XorA: all I can say is all the current latest revs should work |
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| 09:30.57 | thos | XorA: i.e. that's what I built most recently |
| 09:31.16 | CM | :) |
| 09:31.30 | thos | XorA: I guess you could set the latest openmoko svn sourcerev on most packages |
| 09:32.36 | XorA | thos: you guys didnt keep stuff in nice easy to find places :-D |
| 09:32.42 | ScaredyCat | isn't that the new guy's job? :) |
| 09:33.41 | ScaredyCat | Graeme's primary task is maintaining the OpenMoko distribution in OpenEmbedded, keeping classes and recipes up to date, ensuring that the distribution is buildable at all times and managing distribution releases. |
| 09:33.50 | ScaredyCat | /endquote |
| 09:34.05 | XorA | Who's that Graeme dude |
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| 09:34.47 | ScaredyCat | Today I'm extremely excited to announce our latest employee: Graeme |
| 09:34.47 | ScaredyCat | Gregory. He's going to be our OpenEmbedded and BitBake developer. (We're |
| 09:34.47 | ScaredyCat | really trying hard to add more depth to our team to support this huge |
| 09:34.47 | ScaredyCat | effort.) |
| 09:34.50 | ScaredyCat | /endquote |
| 09:35.03 | XorA | what a stupid name! |
| 09:35.15 | CM | ~lart ScaredyCat for excessive linebreaks |
| 09:35.16 | apt | blasts ScaredyCat with a huge firehose then strangles ScaredyCat with it for excessive linebreaks |
| 09:35.27 | CM | :D |
| 09:36.20 | ScaredyCat | hey, i edited the first one, what more do you want |
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| 09:39.01 | CM | I want lunch :P |
| 09:39.46 | XorA | CM: I do too |
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| 09:40.22 | CM | XorA: Hey, you're missing from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graeme ;) |
| 09:41.05 | XorA | CM: heh heh, feel free to update it |
| 09:41.22 | XorA | Ive even got the proper spelling |
| 09:41.39 | CM | Is it pronounced the same way? |
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| 09:42.06 | XorA | CM: yes, normally in Scotland Graeme is a forename Graham is a surname, in England Graham rules all |
| 09:42.15 | XorA | CM: although I am English I have Scottish name |
| 09:42.24 | XorA | CM: and no bugger can spell it right |
| 09:42.26 | CM | Ok, thanks :) |
| 09:42.29 | CM | Hehe |
| 09:43.07 | CM | Well, I spell my name Claes, but the typical swedish i Klas. (Pronounced like english class) |
| 09:43.10 | XorA | CM: in a previous job there were three Graemes then a Graham started, as soon as he did, every one spelt Graeme wrong |
| 09:47.11 | ScaredyCat | or cockney Klaus |
| 09:48.16 | ScaredyCat | no ... KLaaass |
| 09:48.25 | ScaredyCat | not claus |
| 09:48.31 | ScaredyCat | not claws |
| 09:48.35 | CM | Hehe |
| 09:48.41 | mjr | http://mjr.iki.fi/cos/cos.png |
| 09:49.02 | mjr | (the actual Church of Santa text is in Finnish, sadly) |
| 09:49.09 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 09:49.29 | ScaredyCat | yeah, but Santa is really the devil in disguise |
| 09:49.46 | _diego_ | the funny thing is that Santa Claus is actually from Africa ^^ |
| 09:50.15 | ScaredyCat | in th e/uk he's from the North Pole. in .nl he's from Spain iirc |
| 09:50.35 | mjr | in Finland he's from Finland |
| 09:50.58 | _diego_ | yes, but Santa Claus, was San Nicolaus, a person really existed |
| 09:51.17 | CM | Wasn't that in Turkey somewhere? |
| 09:51.24 | _diego_ | sorry, not africa, turkish ^^ |
| 09:51.56 | mjr | and we've actually managed to market the Finnish version decently; while others have been grabbing Santa also, ours gets mail from all over the world, some tourists too |
| 09:52.34 | ScaredyCat | Dutch one is SinterKlaas |
| 09:52.59 | ScaredyCat | I thought it was supposed to be St. Nicholas anyho |
| 09:53.06 | ScaredyCat | or... any ho ho ho |
| 09:54.08 | ScaredyCat | I'll ge me coat... |
| 09:54.09 | mjr | the Finnish origins are rather our own also, and the name reflects that |
| 09:54.17 | mjr | joulupukki, lit. "christmas goat" |
| 09:54.31 | mjr | which, you know, what with the devil in disguise thing, fits |
| 09:54.37 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3068 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-keypad.c src/moko-keypad.h): |
| 09:54.37 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/moko-keypad.c: |
| 09:54.37 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/moko-keypad.h: Add moko_keypad_set_display_text() |
| 09:54.44 | ScaredyCat | the America one was invnted by CocaCola |
| 09:55.03 | ScaredyCat | yeah... |
| 09:55.11 | mjr | yeah ours dress like the coca cola santa nowadays too |
| 09:55.28 | ScaredyCat | it's a bit too much of a coincidence that 'Santa' and 'Satan' contain the same letters |
| 09:56.13 | mjr | this also made it simple to create terminology for the Church of Santa |
| 09:56.28 | mjr | or Pukin kirkko (Church of the Goat) |
| 09:56.29 | _diego_ | probably you can get 666 from the name of santa :) |
| 09:57.07 | mjr | Santa Worshippers (Pukinpalvojat, Goat worshippers), Santaists (Pukistit, Goatists) |
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| 10:00.06 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03chris * r3069 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine/ (ChangeLog ltmain.sh src/moko-draw.c): Add 16-bit dithering for gradients |
| 10:03.10 | ScaredyCat | _diego_: yes... |
| 10:03.43 | ScaredyCat | Santa : ((19 x 1 x 14 x 1 x 20) / 5) -398) |
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| 10:07.08 | ScaredyCat | oh... |
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| 10:11.58 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: you on the NSLU2 list? |
| 10:12.05 | ScaredyCat | or anyone else for that matter |
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| 10:15.08 | Ralph | everything works just fine now |
| 10:15.41 | Ralph | besides that i had to restart the gsmd and the xserver after boot |
| 10:15.53 | Ralph | why is this -any one knows? |
| 10:19.18 | thos | Ralph: because gsmd is not 100% reliable |
| 10:19.55 | thos | Ralph: you should only have to restart the dialer, but restart X is easier |
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| 10:26.26 | mbuf | using OM2007.2, does anyone know what causes this run-time dependancy? "libmokoui0 (>= 0.4+svn20070924) libmokojournal0 (>= 0.4+svn20070924) libmokogsmd0 (>= 0.4+svn20070924)" |
| 10:26.41 | mbuf | "ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies" |
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| 10:35.40 | ifworkcouldkill | bah I missed the christmas talk. |
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| 10:38.59 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3070 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c): |
| 10:38.59 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Patch by: Roman Moravcik <roman.moravcik@gmail.com> |
| 10:38.59 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (moko_dialer_init): Fix the loading of moko journal, |
| 10:38.59 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (on_talking_reject_call): Write journal to storage after call is rejected, |
| 10:38.59 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (on_keypad_dial_clicked): Outgoing call had set wrong journal direction. |
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| 10:40.29 | zedstar | mbuf, did u link against openmoko-libs ? |
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| 10:41.32 | mbuf | zedstar, let me post the .bb file, and give the URL |
| 10:41.57 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3071 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c): |
| 10:41.57 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Patch by: Roman Moravcik <roman.moravcik@gmail.com> |
| 10:41.57 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_keypad_dial_clicked), (on_incoming_call), |
| 10:41.57 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (on_network_registered): Store network information (LocationAreaCode, |
| 10:41.57 | CIA-23 | openmoko: CellID) in moko journal. |
| 10:42.05 | zedstar | mbuf well....what i learnt recently is u need to link to the updated libraries otherwise u get those odd dependencies |
| 10:42.42 | zedstar | mbuf have on a sec ill have a look |
| 10:42.44 | mbuf | zedstar, updated libraries? want me to do an update with the MokoMakefile? i have temporarily commented the updates |
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| 10:44.16 | mbuf | zedstar, the .bb sample file is here, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-September/001564.html |
| 10:45.55 | zedstar | mbuf libmokoui2 is what i think u need to link against instead of openmoko-libs |
| 10:46.15 | zedstar | mbuf i had similar dependencies problems but i have not tried yet to fix it |
| 10:47.09 | mbuf | zedstar, so DEPENDS += "gtk+ libgsmd libmokoui2" ? PKG should be changed as well? |
| 10:47.14 | zedstar | mbuf as a kludge u can just put those dependencies in the ipk file if u want to the app to install and run if u dont link to the new libr |
| 10:48.45 | zedstar | mbuf i guess so i build from command line so i would do something like `pkg-config --libs libmokoui2 gtk+-2.0` |
| 10:49.21 | zedstar | actually thomas (thos) told me about this at the weekend so he can better answer if u get no joy... hi thos btw! |
| 10:49.39 | thos | hidi ho |
| 10:49.54 | zedstar | but it same problem i had |
| 10:49.54 | thos | wazzup |
| 10:50.12 | zedstar | that linking to old library with weird dependency issue |
| 10:50.47 | zedstar | for example `pkg-config --libs openmoko-libs gtk+-2.0`" would require some odd dependencies so needed libmokoui2 |
| 10:51.16 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[MokoMakefile]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Ruggedized]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Talk:Building_Gadget_USB_Module]] |
| 10:53.06 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3072 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-history.c): (log message trimmed) |
| 10:53.06 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Patch by: Roman Moravcik <roman.moravcik@gmail.com> |
| 10:53.06 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/moko-history.c: (moko_history_load_entries): History list wasn't |
| 10:53.06 | CIA-23 | openmoko: corectly filled with moko journal entries, |
| 10:53.06 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (on_delete_clicked), (history_add_entry): Function |
| 10:53.10 | CIA-23 | openmoko: moko_journal_remove_entry_by_uid need uid value instead of contact_uid, |
| 10:53.12 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (history_add_entry): Replace phone number with name of contact if there |
| 10:53.32 | mbuf | zedstar, thanks! it works, DEPENDS += "gtk+ libmokoui2 libgsmd" |
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| 10:53.44 | mbuf | zedstar, PKG = `${OMDIR}/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin/pkg-config --cflags --libs libmokoui2 gtk+-2.0 libgsmd` |
| 10:53.47 | thos | zedstar: yeah, use libmokoui2 |
| 10:53.54 | thos | infact, you don't need gtk+-2.0 |
| 10:54.00 | thos | libmokoui2 should bring that in for you |
| 10:54.04 | zedstar | mbuf....kewl |
| 10:54.11 | zedstar | ok thanks thos |
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| 10:54.56 | mbuf | thos, i see |
| 10:55.18 | zedstar | will try that out later today and rebuild my ipk |
| 10:56.28 | mbuf | zedstar, have you checked in your code to projects.openmoko.org? if yes, which project? |
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| 10:57.12 | zedstar | mbuf not yet...i intend to once i made a few changes...i packages ipk and source tarball |
| 10:57.14 | mbuf | zedstar, there were some e-mails earlier that svn commits weren't taking place with the server? |
| 10:57.26 | mbuf | zedstar, cool, thanks |
| 10:58.49 | mbuf | zedstar, out of curiosity, do you guys update your build environments on a daily basis? i just commented the update targets in the MokoMakefile |
| 10:59.43 | zedstar | mbuf well i actually just build stuff from command line with cross tools rather than use openembedded etc like i should do i guess |
| 11:00.09 | mbuf | zedstar, i see |
| 11:00.41 | zedstar | mbuf i then just build ipk from hand also |
| 11:01.02 | mbuf | zedstar, is there any documentation on doing it manually? |
| 11:01.08 | zedstar | mbuf i will get round to doing it properly though |
| 11:01.22 | zedstar | mbuf not that i am aware of other than copying the example hello world on the wiki |
| 11:01.28 | mbuf | zedstar, ok |
| 11:02.09 | zedstar | mbuf that should work ok though if u copy it |
| 11:02.25 | zedstar | mbuf then just get the ipkg-build stuff to make roll your own |
| 11:02.33 | mbuf | zedstar, well, i would like end-users to install a package :) |
| 11:02.49 | mbuf | zedstar, need to read on that from some documentation |
| 11:03.01 | zedstar | mbuf yeh sure.....making ipk is pretty easy though and like debian package |
| 11:03.08 | mbuf | zedstar, i see |
| 11:03.14 | zedstar | u can just copy one |
| 11:05.14 | mbuf | ok |
| 11:13.18 | jumpy33 | Is anyone able to enlighten me regarding my app design questions? |
| 11:13.30 | jumpy33 | So where would be the right place to cache podcast media files and to store preferences and configuration items? |
| 11:13.30 | jumpy33 | ~/.foobar ? |
| 11:13.33 | thos | jumpy33: what is your question? |
| 11:13.44 | jumpy33 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:14.00 | thos | jumpy33: what sort of application? |
| 11:14.15 | jumpy33 | Podcatcher |
| 11:14.44 | thos | jumpy33: gconf is useful for storing configuration options |
| 11:15.34 | jumpy33 | ok, but what about files? A podcatcher would read RSS feeds, download podcast media files and queue them for playing. |
| 11:15.51 | jumpy33 | so where to store them? |
| 11:16.31 | thos | jumpy33: probably in ~/.foobar as you suggested |
| 11:16.54 | jumpy33 | Ok, will this be on the microSD card? |
| 11:17.03 | thos | no |
| 11:17.25 | thos | hmm |
| 11:17.27 | jumpy33 | that's bad, because of the limited space |
| 11:17.40 | thos | jumpy33: yeah, i would ask the user to store them on sd card then |
| 11:18.29 | jumpy33 | So all of the basic file system will be on the neo? |
| 11:18.49 | jumpy33 | ans the sd card is only in /mnt/whatever? |
| 11:18.58 | thos | well, /media, yes |
| 11:19.15 | thos | you will not be required to have an sd card to boot |
| 11:19.34 | thos | the rootfs sits entirely on flash |
| 11:20.01 | jumpy33 | ok, so I guess I'll have to make this path user configurable. With a default to /media/.../podcasts or something |
| 11:21.11 | thos | sounds reasonable |
| 11:21.59 | CM | jumpy33: /media/card/podcasts sound reasonable to me too :) |
| 11:22.41 | jumpy33 | Second thing was already commented on openmoko-devel, but to be sure: is it ok to use cron for regular automatic update of the feeds? Otherwise the application has to be running all the time which I think is bad for memory ... |
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| 11:25.36 | thos | jumpy33: well yes you could use cron |
| 11:27.39 | Elrond | ~seen zdanek |
| 11:27.40 | apt | zdanek <n=b@ams122.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 10d 13h 26m 3s ago, saying: 'cu'. |
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| 11:37.23 | jorgenpt | ljp: What should someone who hasn't developed a single Qt application look at if he wishes to do any kind of Qtopia app development? |
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| 11:38.13 | jorgenpt | I find a lot on how to set up the build environment and qtopia, but only something about creating a taskbar applet when it comes to app development |
| 11:39.01 | jorgenpt | Hm, perhaps I found something a bit more relevant. |
| 11:39.42 | jorgenpt | I think http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3/tut-index.html might have more of what I was looking for. |
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| 11:50.32 | jumpy33 | CM and thos: Thank you very much for your comments! :-) |
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| 11:59.28 | CM | jorgenpt: Try asking around in #qtopia :) |
| 11:59.43 | jorgenpt | Ooh |
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| 12:02.24 | Ralph | thos - i am back from lunch |
| 12:02.47 | Ralph | what caused gsmd or the dialer to fail? |
| 12:03.02 | Ralph | is gsmd not responding to the dialer app? |
| 12:03.20 | Ralph | or does it fail to connect to the modem? |
| 12:03.40 | thos | Ralph: it has bugs |
| 12:04.09 | Ralph | well - sure - but do you kown spezific? |
| 12:04.26 | thos | Ralph: look in OE for a list of patches |
| 12:05.58 | Ralph | they are not in the cvs or so? |
| 12:06.05 | thos | no |
| 12:06.16 | thos | there have been no updates to svn since the middle of august |
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| 12:06.49 | Ralph | is there a reason to this? - will it be done some day? |
| 12:07.07 | thos | ask Harald |
| 12:07.27 | Ralph | so Harald does the svn update? |
| 12:08.19 | josch | hi! I just got an error while building my openmoko image with the makefile - could reproduce this issue after updating three times. uboot-openmoko failed to compile with the following error: "hello_world.c:0: error: bad value (armv4) for -march= switch" |
| 12:08.24 | Ralph | OE is the openembedded right? gsmd is there? |
| 12:09.37 | jumpy33 | josch: are you compiling for x86? |
| 12:10.02 | josch | jumpy33: yes you are right |
| 12:10.12 | josch | is thi a common error? |
| 12:11.01 | thos | Ralph: Harald is the gsmd maintainer |
| 12:11.03 | CM | I don't get why it's trying to build uboot for x86 |
| 12:11.42 | jumpy33 | has been the same for me... |
| 12:12.18 | josch | jumpy33: did you solve it? |
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| 12:13.11 | jumpy33 | no, I gave up :-) |
| 12:13.22 | josch | -_- |
| 12:13.30 | jumpy33 | I have reported this to openmoko-deveĺ (see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-September/001521.html) |
| 12:13.39 | jumpy33 | but I did not get an answer. |
| 12:14.02 | jumpy33 | I don't know, if this is an error in MokoMakefile or in the build process. |
| 12:14.14 | jumpy33 | If it is the latter, we could file a bug ;-) |
| 12:14.17 | josch | was just about to ask this question ^^ |
| 12:14.36 | josch | does rwhitby know about it? |
| 12:14.52 | thos | jumpy33: why are you building for x86? |
| 12:14.57 | jumpy33 | depends on whether he read my post ;-) |
| 12:15.56 | jumpy33 | because I want to do app development and qemu doesn't work for me either (see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-September/001555.html) |
| 12:16.16 | josch | jump33: I con confirm this - my error log is identical to yours |
| 12:16.23 | thos | jumpy33: you don't need that for app development |
| 12:17.03 | jumpy33 | thos: well I didn't know back then. I wanted to know how the app looks like. |
| 12:17.03 | nbd | just edit the mokomakefile and remove the part that builds uboot |
| 12:17.59 | josch | nbd: but if I do this I have to avoid doing a make update-makefile, right` |
| 12:18.18 | jumpy33 | thos: In the meantime I figured an easy way to do WYSIWYMG app development for the NEO based on Xephyr/Xnest |
| 12:18.34 | thos | jumpy33: yeah, much easier :-) |
| 12:18.45 | nbd | josch: yup |
| 12:19.58 | jumpy33 | Well, the problem is in part that the wiki does not give information on how to start if you want to do "just" application hacking ... |
| 12:20.24 | thos | jumpy33: yeah I discussed this with zedstar on sunday |
| 12:20.45 | josch | jumpy33: your name sounds german - you can check out #neo1973-germany there are other app-developers like me, fgau or PBeck |
| 12:21.08 | josch | thos: what was the result? |
| 12:21.16 | jumpy33 | josch: cool, thanks |
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| 12:21.30 | josch | thos: I also only want to set up openmoko for x86 for app-development |
| 12:21.50 | duffyd | I've just tried the new snapshot from qtopia on my neo and when I power it on it just cycles through an error message constantly |
| 12:22.17 | sannes | duffyd: what kernel ? |
| 12:22.29 | thos | josch: you can do all your development with libraries from your distribution |
| 12:22.30 | zedstar | thos i had a word with micheal about this stuff....see if they could simplify getting started with a bare bones tools setup and example etc |
| 12:22.36 | duffyd | sannes: one that was bundled with the preview |
| 12:22.38 | CM | duffyd: Poke ljp or ask in #qtopia :) |
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| 12:23.04 | duffyd | uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11-r2-fic-gta01.bin |
| 12:23.09 | CM | There will be a new release of qtopia "soon" |
| 12:23.10 | duffyd | CM: ok :) |
| 12:23.13 | jumpy33 | josch: you could do this instead: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-September/001560.html |
| 12:23.14 | CM | That kernel worked for me |
| 12:23.23 | duffyd | CM: oh really |
| 12:23.27 | josch | thos: I thought so but when I gave my perl and python scripts to some neo owners they reported that all the required perl and python libs were broken |
| 12:23.31 | duffyd | CM: so you got it running? |
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| 12:23.49 | CM | duffyd: Sure, from when it was realeased until this morning, no problems at all |
| 12:24.04 | duffyd | mmm, better flash it again then |
| 12:24.05 | CM | Well, only one problem, i finished my prepaid card calling.. :P |
| 12:24.19 | CM | And the powermanagement wasn't that good. |
| 12:24.24 | thos | josch: possibly because they are not built in openmoko by default |
| 12:24.34 | duffyd | i don't currently have a card inserted but shouldn't matter |
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| 12:24.52 | dneary | Hi |
| 12:24.53 | CM | Hmm.. Maybe that could be it though. I never tried without a sim |
| 12:24.58 | josch | thos: they installed them with ipkg but the files got into the wrong placed, were not in PATH or simply not found |
| 12:25.07 | dneary | Anyone know what SIP stack is in the Neo (if any)? |
| 12:25.35 | CM | dneary: None right now afaik |
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| 12:26.03 | dneary | OK - thanks for the info. When does Mickey get back from the Algarve? |
| 12:26.11 | thos | dneary: there is none |
| 12:26.13 | thos | dneary: next week |
| 12:26.21 | josch | thos: this was the reason I asked several times for anyone to try out a little perl script of mine to check this issue |
| 12:26.30 | CM | 2 weeks in portuga, and it's been one week so far |
| 12:26.50 | CM | dneary: Have any suggestions on a sip stack? |
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| 12:27.06 | thos | dneary: btw, Neo1973 is the hardware, OpenMoko is the software |
| 12:27.14 | CM | I've heard people talk about pjsip, and doesn't telepathy have a sip backend now? |
| 12:27.30 | torpor | hy does anyone know how to add files for playback in the new media player? i tried to create a new playlist but tis just crashes it .. |
| 12:27.34 | duffyd | thos: yup |
| 12:27.43 | torpor | should i add a manual playlist to the media card? |
| 12:27.59 | josch | jumpy33: thanks for the link but my app is not high-level enough to work with this setup |
| 12:27.59 | duffyd | CM: nah it just cycles through saying magic bitmask not found :( |
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| 12:28.41 | torpor | its not intuitive how to add a file to the player .. |
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| 12:30.04 | thos | duffyd: sorry? |
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| 12:30.42 | CM | thos: He's trying the qtopia image |
| 12:31.05 | thos | CM: who is? |
| 12:31.13 | CM | duffyd: :) |
| 12:31.18 | thos | and? |
| 12:31.18 | duffyd | CM: hi |
| 12:31.25 | duffyd | CM: just reflashing now |
| 12:31.26 | CM | But now I saw the "yup" |
| 12:31.36 | CM | Sorry for adding to the confusion |
| 12:31.45 | duffyd | thos: I was just answering yes to your earlier question re. neo1973 and OM |
| 12:31.46 | josch | so again: I would be very happy if anyone could try out this little perl script http://celpaste.morb-design.com/pastebin.php?show=m91a763 on his neo - it needs perl and the Encoding.pm module |
| 12:33.13 | thos | duffyd: that wasn't a question |
| 12:33.32 | torpor | so nobody using the media player? |
| 12:33.35 | duffyd | thos: oh sorry, ignore me then ;) |
| 12:34.16 | CM | torpor: I haven't tried yet. Ask abraxa if he comes back online |
| 12:34.22 | torpor | ok |
| 12:34.35 | CM | Is it the playlist that's breaking it? |
| 12:34.42 | torpor | well yeah |
| 12:34.45 | CM | File a bug about it :) |
| 12:34.48 | torpor | but there's no obvious way to load a track |
| 12:34.57 | torpor | so i try to 'create a new playlist' and it faults. |
| 12:34.57 | Shoragan | josch, just try in in the emulator :) |
| 12:35.07 | torpor | this is with a build of devel-image from today |
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| 12:35.27 | xzcvczx | anyone else having uicmoc4-native fail to build? |
| 12:35.37 | josch | shorogan: i didn't get a network connection to work between qemu and the host |
| 12:35.42 | CM | xzcvczx: Yes, the fix is in bug 747 |
| 12:35.47 | dneary | CM: For a SIP stack, I'm involved in the OpenWengo project, and we have one |
| 12:36.06 | CM | dneary: I know you are, but I don't know your sip stack ;) |
| 12:36.11 | dneary | We have even done a prototype convergence phone for a telco here in France a couple of years back |
| 12:36.22 | josch | shorogan: the problem is, that it did't work for two people and that I want to confirm that something is broken |
| 12:36.22 | dneary | thos: Thanks for the clarification |
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| 12:36.54 | dneary | CM: We use a high-level API called phapi, which depends on osip |
| 12:37.09 | CM | Ah, ok |
| 12:37.55 | josch | jumpy33: removed uboot-openmoko from the makefile - now it seems to work |
| 12:38.02 | dneary | All C, platform independent |
| 12:38.09 | dneary | Which is nice |
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| 12:38.22 | CM | Definitely |
| 12:38.35 | xzcvczx | thanks CM |
| 12:39.29 | duffyd | CM: same issue when reflashing |
| 12:40.03 | Ralph | thos: where can i find Harald? |
| 12:40.09 | CM | duffyd: That sucks, and really strange. Maybe try ScaredyCat's image: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/qtopia-image-fic-gta01.jffs2 |
| 12:40.14 | thos | Ralph: good question ;-) |
| 12:40.15 | Ralph | hier on this channel? |
| 12:40.21 | thos | no idea |
| 12:40.33 | thos | have not heard from him for a few weeks |
| 12:40.44 | CM | Ralph: He's here as LaF0rge some times, but not talking much |
| 12:40.59 | Ralph | aha |
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| 12:41.03 | CM | Ralph: if you wonder about gsmd, mail to the gsmd mailinglist |
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| 12:42.15 | josch | hi PBeck! |
| 12:42.20 | PBeck | hi |
| 12:42.33 | PBeck | hi josch :) |
| 12:43.29 | duffyd | CM: I was flashing the tar file :P |
| 12:43.42 | CM | Hehe.. "OOups.." ;) |
| 12:43.43 | duffyd | it's too late over here - my brain is fried ;) |
| 12:45.31 | dneary | So how do I go about proposing stuff for OpenMoko? |
| 12:47.50 | Shoragan | what sort of "stuff"? |
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| 12:51.37 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Fradeve11]] [[Community_nominees_for_GTA02_P0]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Automatic_emulation_in_Ubuntu/it]] [[Installation_guide/it]] [[MokoMakefile/it]] |
| 12:54.56 | duffyd | CM: hooray is working! |
| 12:55.04 | duffyd | first brain in gear.. |
| 12:55.44 | torpor | !scaredycat |
| 12:57.22 | torpor | anyone have scaredycats url handy? |
| 12:57.48 | CM | torpor: You mean http://buildhost.automated.it |
| 12:58.40 | torpor | thats the one |
| 12:58.57 | torpor | are there any other good repo's that i should know about? i wanna load up my neo for a demo session .. |
| 13:03.37 | emdete | torpor: your own? |
| 13:03.46 | CM | dneary: So far, people seem to mail suggestions to the mailinglists for discussion, or add pages to wiki with the Wishlist tag |
| 13:03.47 | torpor | emdete: bahdumpsh. |
| 13:03.49 | torpor | i got one. |
| 13:03.57 | torpor | but i only have a very basic application in it right now. |
| 13:03.58 | CM | Or just talk here to some devs :) |
| 13:04.14 | dneary | :) |
| 13:04.17 | torpor | whats the name of the application installer/manager? its not installed by default right? |
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| 13:07.52 | CM | torpor: ipkg is |
| 13:08.08 | torpor | no there's a GUI but i always forget its name after i do a new image .. |
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| 13:15.37 | ScaredyCat | did someone just not me! |
| 13:16.13 | zedstar | hi jpcass! |
| 13:16.28 | jpcass | hi zedstar! |
| 13:16.34 | jpcass | how's the chicken? |
| 13:17.04 | zedstar | jpcass good :) they stuck videos up on youtube from the weekend |
| 13:17.32 | Ralph | i need a little help from my friends here .... |
| 13:17.33 | jpcass | ah - must have a look... |
| 13:18.01 | Ralph | patching of gsmd |
| 13:18.04 | Ralph | how to? |
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| 13:18.39 | Ralph | there are some 10 files to patch the reason soucecode of gsmd |
| 13:18.51 | Ralph | how is this be done? |
| 13:19.01 | CM | Ralph: I think there's two ways |
| 13:19.06 | cb22 | the ar6k in the gta02, how will it be connected up? |
| 13:19.40 | CM | Either use quilt, or add all of them to the files folder for gsmd and then add them to the .bb file |
| 13:20.31 | duffyd | CM: how would I shutdown the OM when it locks up when trying to shutdown via qtopia? |
| 13:20.46 | CM | duffyd: Mine does too. Just take out the battery |
| 13:21.17 | Ralph | add them to the .bb file - ähm - how? :( |
| 13:21.19 | CM | Ralph: Ask XorA or ScaredyCat or someone else who knows more than me |
| 13:21.27 | Ralph | aha |
| 13:21.29 | duffyd | CM: ok, good idea :) |
| 13:21.32 | CM | Look at some bb file that's already patched |
| 13:21.45 | Ralph | eg.? |
| 13:21.53 | CM | I managed to get some program patched a while ago, but I can't remember wich one it was |
| 13:22.12 | Ralph | and quit is like patch |
| 13:22.19 | Ralph | or what? |
| 13:22.41 | CM | quilt is a patch management system |
| 13:22.47 | CM | I don't know much about it :/ |
| 13:23.14 | Ralph | ok, still allot more than me here :) |
| 13:23.18 | CM | Ralph: also, quilting is when you put together lots of patches of cloth to make a blanket ;) |
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| 13:23.38 | Ralph | ;) |
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| 13:29.48 | CM | Ralph: You have to add something like this to the bitbake file: SRC_URI += "file://name.patch;patch=1" |
| 13:30.07 | CM | Ralph: And then you have files/name.patch in the same dir |
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| 13:35.45 | Ralph | aha! CM - thx |
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| 13:39.17 | CM | torpor: Btw, saw you have a really low Slashdot number.. 458! :P |
| 13:39.43 | GPRSEvil | I'm sure you could sell those on ebay :) |
| 13:40.16 | CM | And the rumor the gp quoted that multitouch might be availible through a driver update is false.. |
| 13:41.43 | josch | CM: is multitouch more than a software issue? |
| 13:41.50 | emdete | josch: shure |
| 13:42.00 | CM | unfortunately yes.. |
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| 13:45.13 | woglinde | hi |
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| 14:26.14 | mwester | Ouch! |
| 14:26.16 | thos | ScaredyCat: apparently you can disable them |
| 14:26.57 | thos | and why would you want multi touch on such a small screen anyway |
| 14:27.04 | thos | seems a bit silly |
| 14:28.26 | ScaredyCat | thos - I have them turned off - it ignored me |
| 14:28.41 | thos | ScaredyCat: that was also mentioned to me ;-) |
| 14:29.03 | thos | seems like my completely fresh build is finishing though |
| 14:29.03 | thos | woo |
| 14:30.30 | CM | Nice, are all the src-revs updated in om? |
| 14:32.33 | thos | CM: ask XorA ;-) |
| 14:32.37 | mwester | ScaredyCat: Did you set up a rig to measure battery current draw? |
| 14:33.02 | ScaredyCat | I did and it flattened my battery in no time |
| 14:33.54 | mwester | I'm going to try to measure current draw as well for some gsmd patches -- how did you do it? |
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| 14:34.15 | XorA | thos: not yet |
| 14:34.33 | thos | XorA: I don't exactly remember how autorev works anyway |
| 14:34.36 | XorA | thos: as all the sources are all over the shot, I need to setup a complete new build env |
| 14:34.51 | XorA | thos: I cant just svn co, svn info |
| 14:35.10 | thos | hmm |
| 14:35.17 | thos | XorA: you mean things that are not from openmoko svn? |
| 14:35.47 | XorA | thos: yeah |
| 14:36.58 | emdete | did someone try to compile rrd for arm? |
| 14:36.59 | ScaredyCat | mwester: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management |
| 14:37.04 | mwester | ScaredyCat: (from waaaay back in the log) I'm on the NSLU2 lists as well... |
| 14:37.16 | thos | XorA: well, most of the UI stuff is in openmoko svn |
| 14:37.21 | thos | XorA: apart from contacts and dates |
| 14:37.43 | XorA | thos: I think the best plan is to have an autorev build then ls *svn* |
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| 14:37.49 | ScaredyCat | mwester: aahh .. somone asked about using lcd4linux with a pertelian lcd device... |
| 14:38.17 | ScaredyCat | I wrote the driver for it at the weekend and submitted it for inclusion... |
| 14:38.25 | ScaredyCat | it's now in lcd4linux svn... |
| 14:38.31 | ScaredyCat | but I'm not on that list... |
| 14:38.42 | thos | XorA: would you like me to do that? |
| 14:38.51 | ScaredyCat | so wondered if you could locate the message and let them know.. |
| 14:38.56 | ScaredyCat | not vital... |
| 14:38.58 | ScaredyCat | but hy |
| 14:39.00 | ScaredyCat | ...hey |
| 14:39.05 | thos | my build has just produced a 139MB image though, which must be wrong |
| 14:39.10 | mwester | I'll go search for that, and offer the pointer to the lcd4linux svn. Thanks! |
| 14:39.14 | thos | i included feed reader this time |
| 14:39.26 | XorA | thos: that would be a good start, then I know what builds and can bump thos |
| 14:39.42 | XorA | thos: then Ill work on getting my autorev build up and running |
| 14:39.42 | ScaredyCat | thos: LOL |
| 14:40.33 | thos | XorA: ok one sec |
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| 14:43.39 | thos | XorA: this what you want? http://folks.o-hand.com/thomas/svn-revs.txt |
| 14:44.07 | thos | unfortunately I still have a lot of old sources |
| 14:44.12 | XorA | thos: no, same thing, but in ipk directory, that way I know what actually built |
| 14:44.25 | thos | oh good plan |
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| 14:46.50 | thos | XorA: ok refresh that page now |
| 14:47.14 | XorA | thos: brilliant |
| 14:51.37 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] [[User:ChrisLord]] [[MokoMakefile/it]] |
| 14:53.36 | thos | there is something weird about that script |
| 14:56.20 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3073 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-contacts.c): |
| 14:56.20 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Patch by: Roman Moravcik <roman.moravcik@gmail.com> |
| 14:56.20 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/moko-contacts.c: (moko_contacts_add_contact): Read phone number from |
| 14:56.20 | CIA-23 | openmoko: VCARD. |
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| 15:23.09 | compbrain | Wow, Qtopia is really far along |
| 15:23.31 | thos | compbrain: well duh |
| 15:23.39 | thos | compbrain: it's been in development for over four years |
| 15:23.52 | compbrain | I'm just trying it now though. Sluggish as hell, but impressive anyway |
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| 16:02.53 | josch | I managed to get openmoko running on x86 with xephyr but is there a way to change the dpi so that the fonts get bigger? |
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| 16:04.33 | thos | josch: Xephyr :1 -ac -screen 480x640x16 -dpi 284& |
| 16:04.46 | josch | thos: thx! |
| 16:05.19 | josch | it worked!! :-) |
| 16:07.44 | thos | well yeah :-P |
| 16:08.43 | josch | added it to the wiki ^^ |
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| 16:09.02 | thos | josch: where? |
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| 16:11.13 | josch | thos: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr#Launching_Xephyr |
| 16:13.33 | CM | josch: Thanks for adding good tips to the wiki :) |
| 16:14.24 | josch | CM: everything I learn from you guys I will gladly pass to others by adding the solution to the wiki! |
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| 16:16.55 | CM | josch: Sometimes I'm too lazy to update the wiki.. I'm lurking here a lot anyway ;) |
| 16:18.12 | CM | I agree a lot with rwhitby, openmoko needs more low-level people hacking |
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| 16:18.17 | CM | Mek: Hehe |
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| 16:24.53 | buz_ | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3405111195.html is that of any use? |
| 16:25.33 | CM | Wow, I thought that project died years ago |
| 16:26.32 | buz_ | looks like they somehow found money for it |
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| 16:26.45 | buz_ | ISTR that it was not really useable |
| 16:26.51 | woglinde | lol |
| 16:26.52 | woglinde | Porting Dillo from GTK1 to GTK2 was ruled out due to the relatively large system resource requirements. |
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| 16:30.26 | Sup3rkiddo | ...and then it would be like firefox..kinda ironic fx started out to be light weight browser |
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| 16:30.51 | buz_ | firefox wasnt really ever lightweight |
| 16:31.01 | buz_ | the whole xul idea prevented that very reliably |
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| 16:31.46 | woglinde | firefox was netscape and there is no leigthweight |
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| 16:32.30 | buz_ | firefox was always gecko which is not very much of netscape |
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| 16:33.59 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3074 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-gsm/ (ChangeLog configure.ac src/openmoko-panel-gsm.c): |
| 16:33.59 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * configure.ac: |
| 16:34.00 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/openmoko-panel-gsm.c: (gsm_applet_update_signal_strength), |
| 16:34.00 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (gsm_applet_autoregister_network), (gsm_applet_power_down_antenna), |
| 16:34.00 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (mb_panel_applet_create): |
| 16:34.01 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Add libnotify support |
| 16:34.11 | thos | ok would anyone like to test that commit for me |
| 16:34.38 | thos | as I am having to rebuild my rootfs from scratch (again( |
| 16:34.52 | woglinde | hehe |
| 16:35.38 | thos | it should now popup a message "Registered to Network" when it becomes registered to a network |
| 16:35.45 | thos | using libnotify |
| 16:35.59 | ewon | what's average battery life these days? |
| 16:36.16 | thos | ewon: depends what profile you use :-P |
| 16:36.23 | ewon | I see :) |
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| 16:40.55 | gianfrix | hi!! |
| 16:51.17 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr]] |
| 16:51.24 | cb22_ | say, how hard would gsm multiplexing be to impliment? |
| 16:51.42 | SpeedEvil | couple of lines of shell script isn't it :) |
| 16:51.50 | cb22_ | heh |
| 16:52.00 | cb22_ | thats how i did it on my last linux phone :) |
| 16:52.08 | SpeedEvil | Haven't looked at the protocol. |
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| 17:08.57 | Gianfrix | I have a problem running the OpenMoko QEMU based emulator.... can someone help me? |
| 17:08.57 | aloril | Commands: counter (see estimated time until P1), counter_msg (set message for counter), faq (gives this link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ ) |
| 17:09.59 | aloril | what is problem? (somebody might know answer, but without knowing actual problem its hard to answer ;-) |
| 17:10.14 | ewon | counter |
| 17:10.14 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter Got it, get yours from openmoko.com (and read topic) (1813;252) |
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| 17:12.19 | Gianfrix | aloril: lol |
| 17:12.33 | Gianfrix | aloril: after a long waiting |
| 17:13.12 | Gianfrix | appeared: wrong data CRC in data node etc etc etc.... |
| 17:13.29 | Gianfrix | what can I do? |
| 17:16.41 | CM | Any_Key: Did a complete ts_harvest... Looks weird: http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/ts_harvest.out |
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| 17:32.55 | Gianfrix | no one can help me? |
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| 17:35.05 | CM | Gianfrix: We don't know what is wrong, that's why we can't help |
| 17:35.40 | CM | Are you trying to run a qemu image? Built it yourself? With the makefile? What qemu are you using? |
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| 17:37.57 | CM | thos: The latest build fails to start x |
| 17:42.03 | CM | thos: Restarting xserver-nodm worked.. |
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| 17:45.35 | CM | thos: Caling worked! :D |
| 17:45.56 | CM | thos: But the calls were not logged... Does (openmoko-dialer:1785): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_tree_model_filter_refilter: assertion `GTK_IS_TREE_MODEL_FILTER (filter)' failed say anything to you? |
| 17:47.10 | Gianfrix | CM: I followed this guide: http://pollycoke.wordpress.com/2007/04/08/ecco-lemulatore-di-neo1973-con-immagine-di-openmoko-nella-vostra-box/ |
| 17:47.17 | Gianfrix | it's italian |
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| 17:52.08 | CM | Gianfrix: That's very old. Please try this from the wiki instead: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU |
| 17:53.51 | Gianfrix | ok |
| 17:54.50 | CM | They looked similar in the instructions though |
| 17:56.40 | Gianfrix | yes, I think they're the same :-) |
| 17:57.23 | CM | I've only used qemu by building it by myself using the makefile |
| 17:57.31 | CM | I'll try that now and see if it works |
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| 18:16.07 | Gianfrix | CM: It works!!!! I hope only it won't be so slow on the Neo1973... |
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| 18:42.57 | thos | CM: hmm |
| 18:43.10 | thos | CM: I added some patches to the dialer today to fix call history |
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| 18:52.25 | edu | I'm going to buy a Neo, can someone tell if it really works for making calls? |
| 18:52.49 | ljp | yes |
| 18:53.10 | roh | edu as soon as there is completed software, yes. |
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| 18:54.14 | CM | edu: The latest OpenMoko builds makes calls just fine, but the battery doesn't last very long |
| 18:54.21 | edu | so the software is not completed yet, neither source code for compiling it? |
| 18:54.42 | CM | It compiles fine, even for a novice like me. Just use "The Makefile" :) |
| 18:55.26 | jorgenpt | (He's referring to MokoMakefile - wiki it ;) |
| 18:55.43 | edu | now is out of stock, isn't it? |
| 18:56.33 | daMaestro | how's OM coming along? |
| 18:56.36 | CM | edu: If you're not in too much of a hurry, wait a month and get the GTA02 |
| 18:56.43 | daMaestro | i'm going to flash my device tonight |
| 18:57.17 | CM | daMaestro: Finally some progress I think.. Managed my first call in a month with the neo using the stock OM build about 2h ago |
| 18:57.29 | daMaestro | oh wow. nice. |
| 18:57.42 | CM | Had to restart X once though for it to boot up correctly, and something is messed up with the call history |
| 18:57.45 | daMaestro | i made calls almost right away.. but had to deal with alsa |
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| 18:58.03 | daMaestro | CM, i'm showing it off on campus tomorrow |
| 18:58.09 | CM | Ah, ok :) |
| 18:58.43 | daMaestro | aka, open source users found out i'm a developer when i jumped into a conversation about RockBox and iPodLinux firmware |
| 18:59.08 | edu | is the whole binary in the Neo, as source code available to download and compile? |
| 18:59.17 | daMaestro | edu, yes |
| 19:01.17 | daMaestro | edu, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch |
| 19:07.16 | juri_ | http://www.linux.com/feature/119429 |
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| 19:10.47 | torpor | sup: svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.berlios.de': Connection refused |
| 19:10.49 | torpor | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.07 | CM | berlios is often down.. Not reliable at all |
| 19:11.33 | torpor | damnit |
| 19:12.15 | CM | Hmm.. I can browse websvn now though |
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| 19:14.41 | quicksand | thos: ping |
| 19:15.25 | CM | quicksand: 20:46 -!- thos [n=thomas@88-96-30-67.dsl.zen.co.uk] has quit ["Leaving."] |
| 19:15.34 | quicksand | ah, thanks |
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| 19:15.54 | quicksand | Just wanted to pass along my compliments on the new gtk theme and engine. |
| 19:16.09 | ScaredyCat | there's just been a christmas advert on tv |
| 19:16.20 | quicksand | It's quite a bit snappier, and things (e.g. comboboxes) aren't quite so ginormous anymore. Nice to use. |
| 19:17.17 | quicksand | The file selection dialog is actually usable now! |
| 19:19.56 | edu | is an http browser included in the neo? |
| 19:20.35 | torpor | edu: midori and openmoko-browser |
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| 19:22.33 | CM | They're still not in the image by default though.. |
| 19:23.48 | torpor | easy to install tho' .. |
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| 19:33.04 | buz_ | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8294545513.html wtf would you need virtualization on neo |
| 19:33.51 | juri_ | run openmoko and qtopia at the same time? |
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| 19:34.25 | mjr | you can do that without virtualisation... |
| 19:34.30 | mjr | or should be able to, anyway |
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| 19:35.32 | torpor | virtualization is trendy |
| 19:35.35 | mjr | then again, you could run the proprietary gllin in a vm, thus alleviating paranoid fears ;) |
| 19:35.53 | torpor | i can't think of a good use for it on arm, but its nice to have such developments ongoing with non-intel architectures, anyway .. |
| 19:37.04 | u_l-lap | oh nice L4 on the neo |
| 19:37.09 | u_l-lap | next step: ngHurd ! |
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| 19:38.10 | buz_ | ibm mainframes have been doing it for decades, so you have non intel architectures pioneering it, even |
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| 19:38.40 | u_l-lap | buz_: it's not so much virtualization as running multiple instances of the l4linux server on top of a properly designed kernel |
| 19:38.41 | torpor | i know that but its not a consumer-grade thing when you talk about power arch virtualization |
| 19:39.29 | u_l-lap | there's no need for something like virtual image virtualization in the magical L4 land where all the kernel does is handle IPC and give people physical memory |
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| 19:45.06 | zilux` | Hi |
| 19:45.24 | zilux` | Is there for avoiding this error |
| 19:45.33 | zilux` | when trying make update |
| 19:45.42 | zilux` | svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.berlios.de': Connection refused |
| 19:45.44 | zilux` | ??? |
| 19:45.45 | aloril | zilux`: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 19:46.25 | cbrake | zilux`: berlios seems to go down quite a bit ... |
| 19:47.03 | zilux` | is it possible to download from the openmoko mirrors? |
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| 19:47.51 | ljp | if you could get qtopia compiled against x11, you could run openmoko and qtopia at the same time |
| 19:49.10 | CM | ljp: Would it work having two gsm daemons running at the same time against the same modem? |
| 19:49.31 | ljp | qtopia doesnt use gsmd |
| 19:50.02 | CM | No, but it must use something |
| 19:50.04 | ljp | but other than modem access, it would be the screen/framebuffer access thatst he problem |
| 19:50.05 | mjr | yeah. If it did, it would probably be easier to have them running at the same time. You know, assuming working gsmd :] |
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| 20:44.35 | hhf423 | moin |
| 20:47.59 | quicksand | You lookin' at me? YOU LOOKIN AT ME? |
| 20:48.46 | ScaredyCat | ~fish quicksand |
| 20:48.46 | apt | ACTION slaps quicksand around with a large trout |
| 20:49.00 | hhf423 | hahaha |
| 20:49.06 | quicksand | Mmmm, fish. |
| 20:49.22 | hhf423 | so, any news on anything neo related? |
| 20:49.53 | quicksand | I dunno. If you haven't tried the new gtk+ theme engine yet, I recommend it. |
| 20:50.01 | ScaredyCat | 'new' |
| 20:50.09 | hhf423 | doesn't look like anything significant, from the recent wiki changes |
| 20:50.09 | ScaredyCat | you mean .2 ? |
| 20:51.16 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
| 20:51.27 | quicksand | It's a few days old -- newer than .2. See Thomas Wood's post on planet. Package is . . . let's see here . . . moko-gtk-engine. |
| 20:51.42 | CM | There was a lot of updated today |
| 20:51.42 | quicksand | It's not built by default. |
| 20:51.59 | CM | s/ted/tes/ |
| 20:52.14 | ScaredyCat | quicksand: but that's on the top... the work needs to be done underneath |
| 20:52.25 | hhf423 | what kind of updates? GUI or also gsmd even? |
| 20:52.45 | CM | I think mostly the dialer, but also more patches |
| 20:52.51 | quicksand | ScaredyCat: I'm sure that's true . . . but it is an improvement. It's faster because of fewer (no?) pixmap scaling. |
| 20:52.53 | CM | calling worked out of the box from my build today |
| 20:53.03 | quicksand | And widget proportions seem a bit more appropriate. |
| 20:53.07 | ScaredyCat | on om cm ? |
| 20:53.23 | CM | ScaredyCat: Yes |
| 20:53.39 | ScaredyCat | quicksand: yes still small... need bigger buttons or a bigger screen |
| 20:53.44 | ScaredyCat | </fat fingers> |
| 20:54.01 | CM | The dropdown menues don't work so well with fingers |
| 20:54.10 | CM | And they're usually too long in the games for example |
| 20:54.11 | ScaredyCat | 1853 of 4693 |
| 20:54.16 | quicksand | ScaredyCat: I agree -- for finger operations we need big finger buttons. For stylus-oriented stuff, smaller is good. |
| 20:54.27 | ScaredyCat | seems to be taking forever x 3 |
| 20:54.28 | CM | ScaredyCat: Heh, only 5h to go or so then.. |
| 20:54.39 | ScaredyCat | it's been running all day CM |
| 20:54.46 | CM | ScaredyCat: uicmoc4 still failed for me |
| 20:55.00 | CM | And I think that's around 1986 or so |
| 20:55.25 | CM | Tried to flash qemu today though, but that didn't work at all |
| 20:55.36 | Writchie|away | also the number keys need to be on right for right - handed people to minimize thumb extention (IMHO) |
| 20:55.38 | CM | Same u-boot problem as eveyone else seems to have |
| 20:55.53 | ScaredyCat | native? |
| 20:55.58 | CM | Writchi1: Good point |
| 20:56.00 | hhf423 | naive! |
| 20:56.07 | LittleIdiot | has anybody in here tried the "undocumented" at commands? |
| 20:56.10 | CM | ScaredyCat: No, arm qemu image |
| 20:56.31 | ScaredyCat | what number keys ? |
| 20:56.38 | Writchi1 | LittleIdiot: which ones - the documented or undocumented undocumented commands? |
| 20:56.39 | LittleIdiot | ...or can anyone of the ones who have signed the nda tell me if some of them may brick the modem |
| 20:56.40 | ScaredyCat | ahh I don't build qemu |
| 20:56.56 | LittleIdiot | Writchi1: ti's commands |
| 20:57.06 | CM | ScaredyCat: Me neither, just tried today because many seem to have trouble with it |
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| 20:57.15 | Writchi1 | LittleIdito: there is little danger of damaging the modem |
| 20:57.41 | Writchi1 | certain engineering mode commands could put it in a funky state, however, which should be recoverable by a power cycle |
| 20:57.48 | LittleIdiot | ok, then i'll try out and document them ;) |
| 20:57.50 | Writchi1 | i've tried a lot and yet to have it fail |
| 20:57.53 | ScaredyCat | I guess you only really need qemu if you're waiting for a neo |
| 20:58.14 | cb22 | Writchi1, try find the at command that will give it HSDPA :) |
| 20:58.37 | CM | ScaredyCat: Any_Key is testing a lot of stuff only using qemu |
| 20:58.39 | ScaredyCat | AT@NOWAY |
| 20:58.45 | Writchi1 | at+domagic |
| 20:59.03 | ScaredyCat | AT&T=suck |
| 20:59.07 | CM | ScaredyCat: He's in russia and can't affort a Neo. Didn't think he could get one through customs anyway even if he could |
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| 20:59.27 | ScaredyCat | not unless you swallowed it CM ;)))) |
| 20:59.28 | LittleIdiot | AT@PROMISCIOUSMODE, but i don't think that'll happen ;) |
| 20:59.42 | Writchi1 | did you see the terms of the new At&t service agreement - thou shalt not badmouth ma bell |
| 21:00.01 | ScaredyCat | yeah... well... |
| 21:00.08 | ScaredyCat | that says it all really |
| 21:00.14 | hhf423 | Writchi1: whut? |
| 21:00.38 | hhf423 | and you probably should not hack the iphone, hehe |
| 21:00.53 | Writchie| | they are in competition with Sprint to who can be the biggest bell shaped head |
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| 21:02.25 | ScaredyCat | wtf is thumtribes? |
| 21:03.25 | Writchie| | http://chicken.wiki.br/thumbtribes |
| 21:04.44 | ScaredyCat | mmm.... |
| 21:05.28 | CM | ScaredyCat: Whatch the video thos posted |
| 21:05.58 | Fradeve | ScaredyCat: cool tool |
| 21:06.08 | CM | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ambe5dPz3-A |
| 21:06.25 | ScaredyCat | sounds like a tool for under 25's to me |
| 21:08.25 | Fradeve | ScaredyCat: mmm probably the utility factor for the 40 years zone is not so huge |
| 21:08.29 | ljp | not a new concept |
| 21:08.49 | woglinde | he ljp |
| 21:08.57 | ljp | hi |
| 21:09.25 | ScaredyCat | yeah, i don;t think I want any weirdo getting my info... |
| 21:09.35 | ScaredyCat | hey ljp... |
| 21:09.49 | ScaredyCat | ^^^ not related to previous comment |
| 21:09.57 | Fradeve | CM: but the keyboard in the video posted is not so new... |
| 21:10.12 | CM | Not working so good either.. |
| 21:12.11 | Fradeve | which version of OM keyboard software should be in the video? |
| 21:12.19 | Fradeve | OM 2007.1? |
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| 21:15.46 | daltona | hi all |
| 21:20.28 | casten | hi daltona |
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| 22:25.50 | zdanek | hello |
| 22:25.59 | zdanek | anybody alive? |
| 22:26.12 | zdanek | I ask because I have 0:25 CET |
| 22:26.52 | zdanek | I want to ask how to enter USB-host mode |
| 22:26.58 | zdanek | anybody knows it? |
| 22:27.51 | zdanek | I guess all went sleep |
| 22:28.01 | zdanek | I'll do the same and ask tomorrow |
| 22:28.30 | Mek | impatient guy... |
| 22:34.25 | holycow | hell moko monkeys |
| 22:34.32 | holycow | okay so this month the 1973 goes on sale? |
| 22:34.42 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 22:34.56 | holycow | oops! |
| 22:35.05 | SpeedEvil | Basically december. |
| 22:35.12 | holycow | aha, coolness |
| 22:35.47 | holycow | how is everyone digging their developer versions? |
| 22:37.01 | SpeedEvil | I'm about to start making an accelerometer and battery monitor board for it tomorrow - designing the PBC |
| 22:37.02 | ljp | diggin good |
| 22:37.04 | SpeedEvil | PCB |
| 22:38.09 | holycow | neato |
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